From Labs0808 at aol.com Sun Apr 1 04:16:51 2007 From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:16:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Check out YouTube - Shell & Partizan Message-ID: _YouTube - Shell & Partizan_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qT_q8PXFrw) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Apr 1 07:33:20 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage Message-ID: I agree wholeheartedly. I spend quite a bit of time at Jays' shop. Bernard is a true craftsman and a great guy. Jim, the second in command ,races a Lotus 7. Also a cool guy. The shop is amazing. They also just got a 150 year old steam engine running. Video of it is at the site is cool. I was there the night they got it running. Also, if you click on 1956 Austin Healey video, you will see Jay and I talking about car restoration tips. Jay does have one Triumph, the red TR3 we had on our cover a while back. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and storage facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E type in Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars are fueld, charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show condition. He has three main garages two for storage and display and one for work. I thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed boy in a candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, a true mechanic of all things mooving. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Apr 1 12:42:04 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:42:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 Message-ID: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The brake pedal was very high on the TR5 street car and I discovered that the spacer block that is shown between the master cylinder vacuum booster and the firewall is missing. Apparently it got "missed" when the brake booster/master cylinder was reassembled after restoration. I am guessing that the same spacer block is used on the TR250, TR5 and TR6. The part is not available from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) If anyone has one of these spacer blocks they no longer need I'd like to purchase it. Or, if someone has one that they could take the dimensions off of, O.D.; I.D. bolt circle or pattern and thickness, I will machine one out of aluminum plate. It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. Having the dimensions will allow me to machine it, take the booster off and reassemble right away. Really only want to crawl up into that inside firewall by the pedals once. Just had back surgery. Thanks in advance for any help. Tim From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sun Apr 1 13:16:00 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:16:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 In-Reply-To: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: > The part is not available > from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) FYI, you can view pages & search the Moss catalog at http://www.mossmotors.com However, they don't appear to even have a P/N for that spacer. The Stanpart number is 148024, but TRF doesn't list it either. Rimmers does ... but they want almost $80 (40 GBP) + shipping for it. > It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. Looks thinner in the factory parts book, 1/2" or maybe 3/4". > Just had back surgery. Yuck !!! Randall From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Apr 1 17:31:08 2007 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (ejmajor250 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:31:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 Message-ID: <040120072331.18803.461040BC00084264000049732207022933CFCACD9D01060E03060A@comcast.net> Team Triumph (Scott Harper) in Waren Ohio is sure to have one. He has ton's of used TR stuff at reasonable prices. www.teamtriumph.com TEAM TRIUMPH BRITISH AUTOMOTIVE 695 Summit St NW(330) 392-7176 Warren, OH 44485-2800 From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Apr 1 20:44:24 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:44:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] piston needed Message-ID: <20070402024245.87D85187B83@autox.team.net> I need just one 1500cc Spitfire piston with rings size .060 over. Can anyone help with this request. Thsnk You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM ph 1 505 362-4350 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Apr 1 20:49:53 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Device Message-ID: FoT, I'm upgrading my helmet restraint device this year and will be listing my Hutchens Device (simple strap version) on eBay. If anyone is interested, please contact me directly before Tuesday. Thanks for allowing me this commercial moment. Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:17:39 2007 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:17:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 In-Reply-To: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Tim, I have lots of those. Youcan have one for $10 which includes postage. Give me a call tommorrow at 570-275-5705. Lorne Fritz Ps check out my web site. Sports-Car- Haven.com >From: "Tim Murphy" >To: "'FOT'" >Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:42:04 -0500 > >The brake pedal was very high on the TR5 street car and I discovered that >the >spacer block that is shown between the master cylinder vacuum booster and >the >firewall is missing. Apparently it got "missed" when the brake >booster/master >cylinder was reassembled after restoration. I am guessing that the same >spacer block is used on the TR250, TR5 and TR6. The part is not available >from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) > >If anyone has one of these spacer blocks they no longer need I'd like to >purchase it. Or, if someone has one that they could take the dimensions >off >of, O.D.; I.D. bolt circle or pattern and thickness, I will machine one out >of >aluminum plate. It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. >Having the dimensions will allow me to machine it, take the booster off and >reassemble right away. Really only want to crawl up into that inside >firewall >by the pedals once. Just had back surgery. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Tim >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 2 00:01:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:01:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The tour starts soon In-Reply-To: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3AF43517-A006-4704-89C7-442D0D5925D5@bnj.com> I'm about to head back from Maui. I'm getting withdrawal symptoms. I enjoy myself here. Four months on the road going to race tracks. I 'm starting to think I might be nuts. But one thing I could use some help with is traveling music. I've put a post on my blog asking for recommendations of the best road music. I need a huge playlist. Any and all comments and suggestions welcome. The easiest way is to leave a comment on the blog. http://www.hawaiiv.com/allalum/?p=195 One other thing. I've sort of figured out what goes wrong with the ATC 2000 camera from Oregon Scientific. I can't recommend this camera to anyone because the company is terrible at customer service, but 120 bucks for self contained video camera the size and weight of a bratwurst is hard to pass up for anyone that would like to have in- car video. It turns out that the SD card that stores the video vibrates in the holder and loses connection, which makes the camera crash and lose the current recording. Slicing a foam earplug diagonally and pressing it into the slot above the card holds it in place against vibration. You can see a compressed version of the video at http:// www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog/?p=249. the real video is pretty high resolution: 640 X 480 and 30 frames per second. It actually does a decent job. too bad the company treats customers so badly. I'm looking forward to seeing lots of you folks on the road. The All Aluminum Bar is always open to FOTers. We're also bringing a video projector to do movie nights. I'm modifying one of the awnings so it can do double duty holding a big screen. We'll collect videos from anyone that gets one, do a quick merge and edit, show on track video followed by some kind of relevant hollywood release. I know I can watch Grand Prix, Le Mans or Faster every night, but Diane might want something more theatrical. Perhaps Wild Hogs? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 2 00:06:48 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:06:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440E0B5D-AFE9-4F82-9855-7C1B3B12BF22@bnj.com> Lucky you (actually, we both know luck has little to do with it, just lots of work and a complementary obsession). I met Bernard briefly on a tour a few years ago and was greatly impressed. Loved the toys. Jay's a man after my own heart, though I wouldn't care to have a collection that esoteric. But I'd take all of his bikes (except that goofy Brough Superior styled chopper thingy). Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:33 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > I agree wholeheartedly. I spend quite a bit of time at Jays' shop. > Bernard is > a true craftsman and a great guy. Jim, the second in command ,races > a Lotus > 7. Also a cool guy. The shop is amazing. They also just got a 150 > year old > steam engine running. Video of it is at the site is cool. I was > there the > night > they got it running. > > Also, if you click on 1956 Austin Healey video, you will see Jay and I > talking about car restoration tips. > > Jay does have one Triumph, the red TR3 we had on our cover a while > back. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and > storage > facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many > occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E > type in > Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars > are fueld, > charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show > condition. He > has three main garages two for storage and display and one for > work. I > thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed > boy in a > candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, > a true > mechanic of all things mooving. > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Apr 2 00:08:27 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> I'd like to Nominate Kurt Oblinger to this group Kurt has been a friend for many years and has had invaluble input to my research and input to the west coast Triumph clubs over the years. He has a steel trap mind about automotive history in general and would be a great asset to this group. A second please Tom This is brief bio Kurt Oblinger ---- -- a freelance automotive photographer, writer and historian, specializing in sports cars. We collect and restore old sports cars, particularly Triumph, I also collect automotive books and vintage auto racing posters. "koblinger at verizon.net" From RustyTR4 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 05:29:38 2007 From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:29:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would be glad to welcome him into the FOT , you have your second on that. Matt Bakes ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 06:54:17 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:54:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Thanks Don Marshall Message-ID: <25101875.1175518457380.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Many thanks to Don Marshall (without his TR4) and son James who joined fellow FOTer Bob Wismer and me at Roebling Road this weekend. With their help the Battle of Britain TR3 came home victorious in class and as the highest finishing Triumph in the group. Thanks also to Glen Efinger who, by phone, helped us all diagnose and fix a deteriorating high speed miss that we cured in time for the Sunday feature race. I look forward to seeing Don in his ex-national championship TR4 at VIR in less than 2 weeks. Mike From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 07:47:35 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:47:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> References: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <8C943449AEBB2A3-C48-7820@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: trhouse at greenapple.com I'd like to Nominate Kurt Oblinger to this group Kurt has been a friend for many years and has had invaluble input to my research and input to the west coast Triumph clubs over the years. He has a steel trap mind about automotive history in general and would be a great asset to this group. A second please ==AM== Gladly! I just assumed Kurt had to have been a member by now. Besides, FoT needs more Sports 6 representation! :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Apr 2 09:53:18 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <461126EE.5020806@pobox.com> Tony, We were out racing at Hallett this weekend, so this is the first chance I've had to check emails. I've only been into about half a dozen overdrives, and I have never seen a problem with that top hat bushing. Sometimes they are fairly loose in the housing. I would just replace it with one from your spare. You might want to use a little sleeve retainer to make sure it doesn't turn in the alumimium housing. Your other problems I've seen before. The washer under the sun gear is almost always broken. It is interesting that the original overdrive manual says to have a sun gear float of 0.014 to 0.020, while later manuals say to use 0.008 to 0.014. These numbers don't even overlap. I've wondered whether they changed it to help reduce the impact on that washer and alleviate the breakage. I found a lot of inconsistencies like this when I was doing those articles, so be careful which manual you pick up. You should have no problem replacing all these parts. You'll have to take one of the planet gears off to replace the thrust washer, but that is not a big deal. I agree, it is amazing that it was still working. Do you have a overdrive pressure gauge? Do you have a large or small accumulator. The large accumulators are best for racing. You can check the pressure with a good half inch drill motor and the pressure gauge. I've got mine set up to run about 530 psi with a large accumulator. I've heard other people go up to 600 or 650 psi, but I really don't think that is necessary. I really get a kick in the pants when I shift mine. Larry Tony Drews wrote: >I thought you might be interested in my continuing OD saga. > >Thanks to all for the excellent advice! I took the OD mostly apart >and documented my findings on the overdrive page I created: >http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm > >What's amazing is that the OD worked just fine at the last race. If >you look at the pictures on my OD page, you'll be amazed that it >worked at all (I was anyway). > >Also, Randall sent me a PDF of the Laycock A-type overdrive manual, >so I posted it on that same web page, along with links to Larry's >excellent tranny and OD articles. > >- Tony Drews > >At 10:10 PM 3/30/2007, Tony Drews wrote: > > >> I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing >> pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild >> instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier >> this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the >> process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem >> wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top >> hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD >> oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the >> exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's >> no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number >> listed with Moss for it. >> I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an >> intact part in it on my website at >> http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 10:09:09 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:09:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:54:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: The washer under the sun gear is almost always broken. It is interesting that the original overdrive manual says to have a sun gear float of 0.014 to 0.020, while later manuals say to use 0.008 to 0.014 Excessive end-float kills these things. The thrust surfaces get worn & things start chucking back & forth & this is the result. The filter doesn't get all the fine trash out so they need regular fluid changes, especially if they're flogged hard. Also it's getting increasingly hard to get (good) rebuild parts nowadays. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 2 20:58:35 2007 From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:58:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1147 .040 cosworth piston Message-ID: <043401c7759b$fa5e4050$58ac8647@yourf78bf48ce2> I need one 1147 Spitfire Cosworth .040 oversize piston . Jerry Barker From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:57:27 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE MOTORSPORT Annual Photo Issue Message-ID: <20070403125727.45048.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Tony and Uncle Jack. Nice photo of you two dicing in the wet at Blackhawk. In which race I recall you finished FOA and Uncle Jack had some piddling little thing break. Darn! Also one of Larry Young chasing one of those pesky Minis and a Sprite. You know who they are. Ken Suhre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 07:43:52 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <46125A18.6020309@pobox.com> While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The main factors I've seen are: 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it from those with experience - Kas, Glen? Larry Young From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 3 08:06:01 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <46125A18.6020309@pobox.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7B@server.Triumph.local> Best mod EVER to an overdrive: Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: April 03, 2007 9:44 AM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue > > While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what > mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The > main factors I've seen are: > 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the > accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 > psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating > valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it > from those with experience - Kas, Glen? > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 08:40:32 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:06:27 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > Best mod EVER to an overdrive: > > Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set > of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > > More or less Mike Belfer's take as well. Not that they don't work...they work great. But they are complicated and usually one of the first things to break. I believe that to be a majority opinion. But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the success of long time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a very mildly prepared TR4 for years and years. It had an overdrive. He made very effective use of it, and somehow he always kept it working. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 09:04:04 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:04:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE MOTORSPORT Annual Photo Issue In-Reply-To: <20070403125727.45048.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken you know we all love the "Jack and Tony Show" TTFN Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 3 09:04:21 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7D@server.Triumph.local> > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] > > But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the > success of long time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a > very mildly prepared TR4 for years and years. It had an > overdrive. He made very effective use of it, and somehow he > always kept it working. One thing Bill neglected to mention about our good friend Don Brick, he was FAST in that very mildly prepped TR4... I hope I am still racing at Don's age, let alone being FAST! Last I talked to him he was bought a kart of some sort and is spending every Friday night racing with a league. Had a couple podium finishes to boot! Way to go Don! :-) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:15:10 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:15:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Overdrive issue Message-ID: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.83]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILINYG13-28f46126e592d2; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:10:28 -0400 Received: from mtai04.charter.net (mta04.charter.net [209.225.8.184]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG55-28f46126e592d2; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Received: from aa06.charter.net ([10.20.200.158]) by mtai04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070403151017.HXYC1421.mtai04.charter.net at aa06.charter.net> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Received: from [24.196.153.85] by aa06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070403151017.DWC10938.aa06.charter.net@[24.196.153.85]> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <4EF3F7C1-381C-40F5-98A4-842F231E200C at charter.net> From: Jerry Barr Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:10:58 -0500 To: BillDentin at aol.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 X-AOL-IP: 209.225.8.184 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cart racing takes a good level of physical fitness to do so he is my idle too! On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:00 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:49:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > jerrybarr at charter.net writes: > > >> I think the key is the TR4 was mildly prepared and the fact that Don >> was a smooth driver. > > > You are right. Don had a mechanic's 'gentle approach' to racing. > So did Mike Belfer. BUT Don also understood how to 'carry speed' > through a corner. He was clearly the best racer in our tent. > > Did you know that he sold the TR4 because after he retired 'vintage > racing' got too expensive for him? But he did not retire from > racing. He bought a Go-cart, and he is now very active in Quad- > city Go-cart racing. Can you imagine that. He takes up Go-cart > racing at 75+ years of age. > > He's my idol. > > Bill > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 09:17:02 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:17:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46126FEE.2000308@pobox.com> I had the opposite experience from most, because the overdrive actually saved me once. The clutch throwout bearing went out on my TR3 and I couldn't shift. I managed to get it into 3rd gear and ran two races at Hallett using only 3rd and 3rd overdrive. I only lost about a second off my normal lap times. BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:06:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > henry at henryfrye.com writes: > > >> Best mod EVER to an overdrive: >> >> Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set >> of close ratio gears and a set of tires. >> > > > More or less Mike Belfer's take as well. Not that they don't > work...they work great. But they are complicated and usually one of > the first things to break. I believe that to be a majority opinion. > > But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the success of long > time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a very mildly prepared TR4 > for years and years. It had an overdrive. He made very effective use > of it, and somehow he always kept it working. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 3 09:16:57 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7B@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > Best mod EVER to an overdrive: > > Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set > of close ratio gears and a set of tires. Ya, really. Your car saves at least 30 pounds in the deal. regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:41:14 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:41:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 4/3/2007 10:06:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: Best mod EVER to an overdrive: Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: April 03, 2007 9:44 AM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue > > While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what > mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The > main factors I've seen are: > 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the > accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 > psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating > valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it > from those with experience - Kas, Glen? > Larry Young Great response Henry! Larry I vote #1 & #3 for sure. #2 I suppose if you have lots of HP but I don't have that problem.... Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Apr 3 10:26:37 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:26:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] sleeved thermostats In-Reply-To: <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> References: <200704030754.l337saDI188189@ns3.geneseo.net> <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> Message-ID: <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> Teri, you hit it on the button. I should start reading your site before I post questions like this. Vintage racers, myself included, have tried all the combinations in an attempt to get their cars to cool. I've run with stock bypass, with no bypass, and with a bypass with a small hole in a plug. The reason we fool with this is that with the bypass, a certain amount of water bypasses the radiator under all conditions. For cars with stock radiators, the cooling system is less than marginal for racing, so plugging the bypass to get more water through the radiator is theoretically better. When I started racing, my car was always running 200 - 220 deg. I tried absolutely everything to cool it down, to no avail - better ducting, water wetter, all that baloney. Then I installed a $175 Chevy aluminum aftermarket radiator and now it runs so cool that I have to use a thermostat to get it warm enough to run right. My humble conclusion from that is that these cars just don't have enough radiator for North America. My kudos, though, to those who can solve the problem with the better fan or an electric fan for traffic. That works too. At 09:06 AM 4/3/2007, you wrote: >Jack W. Drews wrote: >> But out of curiosity, what's the current opinion on the original >> purpose for the sleeved thermostat design? I've got my own >> opinion, which is probably wrong, but I'm interested in the >> current thinking or the historical evidence. > >My opinion is in my web site. > >www.tjwakeman.net/TR/thermostat.htm > >TeriAnn > >Your messages not reaching the list? >Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > >=== This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register >=== http://www.vtr.org > >=== Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >=== unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net >=== Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >=== http://www.team.net/the-local > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 11:27:46 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] sleeved thermostats In-Reply-To: <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704030754.l337saDI188189@ns3.geneseo.net> <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <46128E92.3050906@pobox.com> Rather than allowing some water to go through the bypass, I drill a few small holes in the edges of the thermostat. That way you will still have some circulation even when the thermostat is closed. When it is hot, you will get maximum cooling, since all water goes through the radiator. Larry From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 14:34:47 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:34:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 2:49:33 PM Central Daylight Time, donlbrick at mchsi.com writes: > Bill > I did run an overdrive and I did blow one up at Grattan many years ago. I > do not know where I was but Bill Colom told me I should use Mobil l gear > lube in the od, I did this and ran the same unit until I sold the car for > approx. 15 years. It is available or was at Autozone. I also have a spare > od unit in my garage, it is not the same as the J type I ran in the race > car, I believe it is called an Atype. I might have these letters reversed > as I never did decide which unit I used. It is the unit with the electric > solenoid mounted upright on the side > Hope all this info helps. The od worked great because it reduced the rpm > between gears to about 500 instead of 1000. I did not use 2d overdrive > because Mike said the unit would be subjected to too much torque. > Don > Don... Via copy above, I have sent your comments to the FOT List for their info. I was surprised to learn you used Mobil 1 gear lube, as per Mike Belfer I always thought Kendall Three Star was the stuff to use in TRIUMPH transmissions. When Mike Belfer was alive and prepping my car we had an A and a B engine. One set up had an OD on the tranny. He always cautioned me about NOT using OD in 2nd gear as well, but just between us girls I did use it several times coming out of FIVE at ROAD AMERICA, and it was awesome. Bill ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From rjl at gt-classics.com Tue Apr 3 16:32:13 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:32:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 04:34 PM 4/3/2007, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Via copy above, I have sent your comments to the FOT List for their info. > >I was surprised to learn you used Mobil 1 gear lube, as per Mike Belfer I >always thought Kendall Three Star was the stuff to use in TRIUMPH >transmissions. I used to use Redline MTL in the OD gearbox in the TR-4 that Tony Drews now owns. It worked very well. >When Mike Belfer was alive and prepping my car we had an A and a B engine. >One set up had an OD on the tranny. He always cautioned me about >NOT using OD >in 2nd gear as well, but just between us girls I did use it several times >coming out of FIVE at ROAD AMERICA, and it was awesome. When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down faster than I could suing the clutch. Hope that helps, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Tue Apr 3 16:42:35 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:42:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 06:32 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: >When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my >primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down >faster than I could suing the clutch. Of course, that should be "using the clutch" - sorry. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 3 17:48:03 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill & Others putting together their driving music. I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. One essential that makes the box everytime. Donald Fagen - The Nightfly and you? Dennis From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 3 18:06:40 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070404000458.537CA187C22@autox.team.net> So, kinda back toward the original question... I love the OD, and use 2nd OD all the time. I don't know if it makes me faster, but I have more fun driving with the extra drama of the OD. I agree that the close ratio box is the way to go from an intellectual standpoint, but having those 7 speeds and the right gear for ANYTHING is way cool. Since I've got it apart, any performance hints / tweaks are welcome! I need to figure out which hole in the actuating valve to drill out. I did have a little slip with full throttle upshifts, so will be raising the pressure some, but probably not to the 600+ psi range. And, it does have the big accumulator. Anything else? It's going back together this weekend... By the way, I think what broke it was a combination of rear wheel lockup and the detroit locker. I replaced the rear pads, and had problems with rear lockup for a while. When you lock one rear with the locker you get a big BANG. Scared the piss out of me. Had that happen a couple of times, and then found that teeth were missing off of 3rd gear. I'll bet the driveline shock was what hosed the OD too. Took a year to manifest itself, and even then only as parts coming out with the oil. Still worked like a champ. - Tony At 05:42 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: >At 06:32 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: > > >When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my > >primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down > >faster than I could suing the clutch. > >Of course, that should be "using the clutch" - sorry. > > >R. John Lye > >rjl6n at cstone.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Apr 3 19:31:28 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:31:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4612FFF0.1020909@141.com> Donald Fagen and Steely Dan RULE. Kamakiriad is another good one from Fagen, plus anything else from him or the Dan. Pink Floyd is good for that late-night haul--The Division Bell is one I like, plus anything from further back (particularly the songs Run Like Hell and Learning to Fly). Singing along to The Wall will keep you from falling asleep! I have discovered a new (to me) favorite--Candy Dulfer, a stunningly gorgeous blonde Norwegian lady, can lay DOWN some funky sax. Great stuff. And a very eclectic one for you, that seems to fit perfectly with racing (to me, at least) is the album Flag, from Yello. The track The Race is the one to hear on that one. I also like the Greatest Mexican Mariachi Music CD and lots of big band swing. Festive & fun! Enjoy! Susan :) Dennis DeLap wrote: > Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 3 18:45:19 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Carlos Santana Abraxas Any of the first several Zeppelin Bad Company (Bad Company) Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album with all of the tracks intact is the best version) ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs Scorpions Love Drive Beatles, Abbey Road Eagles, Hotel California - Tony At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 3 19:29:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:29:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301c77658$b8cada50$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music Carlos Santana Abraxas Any of the first several Zeppelin Bad Company (Bad Company) Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album with all of the tracks intact is the best version) ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs Scorpions Love Drive Beatles, Abbey Road Eagles, Hotel California - Tony At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Apr 3 19:38:05 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spacer block for brake booster Message-ID: <001d01c77659$e4336990$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who replied. Appreciated it. Have one coming from Lorne Fritz at Sports Car Haven. Tim From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 19:57:11 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:57:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar music. I also suppliment with Early Quicksilver Hot Tuna - anything electric Yes - all the classic pieces Neil Young Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Curry >Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' , 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw >in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. > > Joe C. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Tony Drews >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >Carlos Santana Abraxas >Any of the first several Zeppelin >Bad Company (Bad Company) >Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >Scorpions Love Drive >Beatles, Abbey Road >Eagles, Hotel California > >- Tony > >At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >> >> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >> One essential that makes the box everytime. >> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >> >> >> and you? >> Dennis >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Tue Apr 3 20:16:18 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:16:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, Khachaturian Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty Rogers and his giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't want to play house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... Have Great Trip Man Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jackson" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. > > Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues > Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar > music. I also suppliment with > Early Quicksilver > Hot Tuna - anything electric > Yes - all the classic pieces > Neil Young > > Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major > slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Joe Curry >>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' >>, 'FOT' >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw >>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. >> >> Joe C. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Tony Drews >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >>Carlos Santana Abraxas >>Any of the first several Zeppelin >>Bad Company (Bad Company) >>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >>Scorpions Love Drive >>Beatles, Abbey Road >>Eagles, Hotel California >> >>- Tony >> >>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >>> >>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >>> One essential that makes the box everytime. >>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >>> >>> >>> and you? >>> Dennis >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >>> >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>http://www.eset.com >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dkettler at powercom.net Tue Apr 3 20:22:48 2007 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:22:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> Message-ID: <00c601c77660$51e50510$411372d8@David> I'm waiting for Bill Dentinger to weigh in on this one. I could take a road trip with Tony Drews anytime. Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Jackson" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, Khachaturian > Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty Rogers and his > giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing > sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't want to play > house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... > Have Great Trip Man > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Jackson" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > >> We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. >> >> Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues >> Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar >> music. I also suppliment with >> Early Quicksilver >> Hot Tuna - anything electric >> Yes - all the classic pieces >> Neil Young >> >> Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major >> slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. >> >> Mike Jackson >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Joe Curry >>>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >>>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' >>>, 'FOT' >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. >>>Throw >>>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>>Behalf Of Tony Drews >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >>>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>>Carlos Santana Abraxas >>>Any of the first several Zeppelin >>>Bad Company (Bad Company) >>>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >>>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >>>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >>>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >>>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >>>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >>>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >>>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >>>Scorpions Love Drive >>>Beatles, Abbey Road >>>Eagles, Hotel California >>> >>>- Tony >>> >>>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >>>> >>>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >>>> One essential that makes the box everytime. >>>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >>>> >>>> >>>> and you? >>>> Dennis >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Fot mailing list >>>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >>>> >>>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Apr 3 22:55:43 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:55:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Good traveling music is a must for those long trips to the far reaches. You can only listen to talk radio for "X" hours before you want to buy a machine gun and go postal on someone. I don't know what "X" is... yet. I did WAY too much driving around while selling hearses and limousines, having driven those beasts in 44 of the states. I don't know how to suggest music when I really don't know ANYTHING about the listener except that he/she likes Triumphs. However, one thing I've started to do is to burn my own custom CD's of various artists works and some "thematic" CD's. I have collections made up from the following (alphabetically listed by first name); Alison Krauss and Union Station, The Allman Brothers, Brooks and Dunn, Jimmy Buffett, three different Bruce Springsteens (early, middle and later), Chris Isaak, Dar Williams, Jackson Browne, James Taylor, John Hiatt, John Prine, Led Zeppelin, Lyle Lovett, Melissa Etheridge, Moody Blues, Neil Young, Norah Jones, Richard Thompson, Rickie Lee Jones, Steve Earle, The Who, Todd Rundgren, Tom Waits, and Townes Van Zandt. More are in the making, but I listen to them several times and re-arrange the order and throw some out that just don't fit, or add some in, etc. So I end up with a bunch of songs that fit together and have a natural flow of some sort. One trouble with these collections is with dynamic range and recorded volume. You have to run them through some sort of program that equalizes the tracks or you end up having to adjust the volume for each track. I'm a fan of lyrics that make sense and make me think or feel, hence some of the entries in that list. I'm a fan of "raging geetars" too, so my taste tends to run that direction. Any good fretwork in almost any genre can be fun to listen to. My new favorite guitarist is Richard Thompson, even though he has a song about one of those cars that carries the (ahem...) Stop Sign of Shame on it with "MGB-GT". If you're going to buy an album, maybe "Action Packed" from 2001? Themed collections I have are Cadillac Songs, Driving Songs, Joe Songs, Rain Songs, Revolution Songs, and Town Songs. Each of these has about twenty different songs that are somehow related. This gives me some variety in a fun package. I have about 150 songs with Cadillac either in the title or mentioned somewhere in the lyrics. Odd, but strangely listenable at times. And when music doesn't seem to work, I can throw on some "Word Jazz" by Ken Nordine. I have to be in a really odd mood for that, but sometimes it just fits how the day is going... One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). NOTHING passes a 16 hour driving day better than a couple really good books that you haven't read or that you just love. Some truck stops have good selections, and some even let you trade in used ones. Shut them off when you come to a town or have to watch for a different highway to take, as you can get engrossed in the story and wake up 50 miles past where you needed to turn off. Been there, done that. I'd be happy to contribute some burned CD's to your collection if our tastes match up anywhere. Tell me where to send 'em. I'm gonna start looking for my Steely Dan stuff again, then download some Nightfly and see if it "gets me"... Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Apr 3 22:35:00 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> Message-ID: I guess I understand why I don't fit in that well!!! How can you take a road trip without: Ludacris Jay-Z Snoop Dogg Nas Rage Against the Machine Beastie Boys Mos Def Digital Underground The Chemical Brothers The Game The Kooks Megadeth Mobb Deep Nelly (when going to St. Louis) White Zombie TI ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 22:16 Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music To: Mike Jackson , 'FOT' > French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, > Khachaturian > Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty > Rogers and his > giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing > sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't > want to play > house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... > Have Great Trip Man > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Jackson" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > > > We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. > > > > Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues > > Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his > raging geetar > > music. I also suppliment with > > Early Quicksilver > > Hot Tuna - anything electric > > Yes - all the classic pieces > > Neil Young > > > > Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find > him...major > > slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. > > > > Mike Jackson > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Joe Curry > >>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM > >>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' > >>, 'FOT' > >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >> > >>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD > collection. Throw > >>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you > have it. > >> > >> Joe C. > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > >>Behalf Of Tony Drews > >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM > >>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT > >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >> > >>Carlos Santana Abraxas > >>Any of the first several Zeppelin > >>Bad Company (Bad Company) > >>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood > >>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) > >>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best > >>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album > >>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) > >>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango > >>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly > >>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs > >>Scorpions Love Drive > >>Beatles, Abbey Road > >>Eagles, Hotel California > >> > >>- Tony > >> > >>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > >>> > >>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks > trip to VIR. > >>> One essential that makes the box everytime. > >>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > >>> > >>> > >>> and you? > >>> Dennis > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Fot mailing list > >>>Fot at autox.team.net > >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> > >>> > >>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >>> > >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>>http://www.eset.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Fot mailing list > >>Fot at autox.team.net > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Fot mailing list > >>Fot at autox.team.net > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Tue Apr 3 22:37:14 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:37:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: > One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that will handle MP3 files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. That way you can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having 5 or more discs per book. And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles fly by, but I find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more rested (and a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the parking lot, listening to the end of a chapter ! FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by Tom Robbins. Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich are some of my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really well too, towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. Randall From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 4 06:13:19 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:13:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big band to comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! Susan :) > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Apr 4 06:07:18 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the best. And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big band to comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! Susan :) > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 06:29:46 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <040420071229.22342.46139A39000CB1C5000057462200748184970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Barr, Scott" > iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM > transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the best. And > the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! > > (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) It's best if you can plug in the iPod. There are areas where the FM band is so packed, that you can't find an open frequency to make the iPod FM transmitter work. But when it does, it really is great. Irv From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Apr 4 06:31:36 2007 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM > transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the > best. And > the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! > > (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Susan Kahler > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but > have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has > reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from > classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big > band to > comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! > > Susan :) >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 07:05:01 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <4613A27D.3090300@pobox.com> Listening to a good book is like going to the movies. My wife subscribes to audible.com. Membership allows you to download books every month. You can leave them on you computer, copy to CD, or put them on an MP3 player. Joe Guinan wrote: >One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). NOTHING >passes a 16 hour driving day better than a couple really good books that you >haven't read or that you just love. Some truck stops have good selections, >and some even let you trade in used ones. Shut them off when you come to a >town or have to watch for a different highway to take, as you can get >engrossed in the story and wake up 50 miles past where you needed to turn >off. Been there, done that. From mikee at ragtops.com Wed Apr 4 07:13:31 2007 From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:13:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> FOT; We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to arise about brake balance / bias. While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? Mike Engard From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:43:38 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:43:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 6:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > Sir Peter Ustinov's "GRAND PRIX of GIBRALTAR" is a must. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 07:45:47 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:45:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <20070404134406.3E28D187A92@autox.team.net> On the track, I've always understood that you crank in rear brake until the rears start to lock before the fronts and then back off until they quit doing that (be careful if you've got a locker!). No clue how to do it for a street car, although I would think you would want a bit more front bias on the street (controllability is more important than total stopping power there). - Tony At 08:13 AM 4/4/2007, Mike wrote: >FOT; > We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to >arise about brake balance / bias. > While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) >front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the >discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle >around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a >60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a >street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? >Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? > >Mike Engard >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From REK46 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:48:39 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:48:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: correct...if MDs are same sizemset bias about in center to start ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:52:45 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:52:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:26:49 PM Central Daylight Time, dkettler at powercom.net writes: > I'm waiting for Bill Dentinger to weigh in on this one. > While I tend to like most music (I'm a big Gilbert & Sullivan fan), my favorite music is early 1950s R&R and R&B. In my teens I had an incredible collection of 45s (the off-label originals...not the white covers). Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 4 07:59:23 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Tony Drews wrote: > Carlos Santana Abraxas > Any of the first several Zeppelin > Bad Company (Bad Company) > Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood > Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) > Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best > Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album > with all of the tracks intact is the best version) > ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango > Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly > Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs > Scorpions Love Drive > Beatles, Abbey Road > Eagles, Hotel California Hmmmm, I'm guessing you were born in the 1955 - 1964 timeframe. :-) I was ('55). When driving by myself, I tend to listen to a fairly eclectic mix with a trend toward "edgy". Anything by Miles Davis, with fav's being Bitches Brew and Tribute to Jack Johnson. My Boomer Tunes are more like Cream, Hendrix. The more eclectic stuff is any Jazz Fusion from 1970 through the mid-eighties. Eclectic starts with John McLaughlin and ends with Kazume Wantanabe. I play bass, so anything by Stanley Clarke is kool. I also play drums, so anything with Ginger Baker, Billy Cobham, Narada (Michael Walden), Billy Bruford or the "greats" like Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa. I can't listen to drum solos when I'm driving the TR6 - too scary. :-0. Metal is okay at night if there's no traffic around. When I'm driving with company, I usually listen to music a bit less edgy like Pat Metheny, John Scofield, certain Al DiMeola stuff (the later stuff is fairly mellow) and stuff with less vocals. When I start singing, sometimes I scare my passengers. And, of course, Spyro Gyra anything - always. Morning Dance is a great way to start the day. I still don't know why I like Spyro Gyra (as opposed to Miles or John McLaughlin), but I do. Yikes - waaaay off topic. As usual. > - Tony regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 4 08:37:21 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:37:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <001701c776c6$c14b05b0$6a00000a@Dave> Mike Not sure about a street car, but on a race car the seat of the pants approach usually works pretty well by gradually working the bias to the rear and sensing the response. On the other hand, if you're having a hard time feeling much difference you can crank it all the way aft and go find a corner where it is safe to do a turn-in spin. The stability problem usually is more pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further unloading the rear. The object is usually to get as much help from the rears as possible, but not so much that the car tries to swap ends on the kinds of corners where your braking is not all in a straight line. Over time you can usually get comfortable with the squirreliness of more rear bias, and remember that with rear drum brakes, in the course of a race they will often loose more effectiveness than the fronts, so they can handle more rear bias without impacting stability. On the scientific side, I've seen people with gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. I'm more inclined to think that the proof is in the pudding, and especially if there are other changes occurring (such as chassis adjustments), notwithstanding what the gauges say you've got to fine-tune it on track for the day and the driver. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance FOT; We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to arise about brake balance / bias. While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? Mike Engard _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 08:54:51 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:54:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: it is a big help to have a adj cable ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 09:36:36 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:36:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in your I-Pod... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From DonMarshall at nefcom.net Wed Apr 4 10:07:21 2007 From: DonMarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:07:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011701c776d3$53e96450$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> For my money, the best listening on the road is old radio shows like The Shadow, Philip Marlowe, Gunsmoke, Green Hornet and even Fibber McGee and Molly. Even the kids will be quiet (at least our kid) and listen for hours. We get them on Sirius but I think they're on XM as well. It does take awhile to get your mind around William Conrad as Marshall Dillon however. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Music IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in your I-Pod... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 10:15:08 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:15:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in >your >I-Pod... I agree! I took my XM portable with me when I drove out west last fall. Plenty of jazz, rock and was able to keep up with Air America too... OBTW, I did bring a collection of CDs with me... Bix Beiderbeck, Bennie Goodman, Modern Jazz Quartet, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Medeival Babes, Stan Rogers, Fairport Convention, Steel Eye Span, Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Steeley Dan. Steely Dan was perfect for driving down Hwy 1 in California... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Apr 4 10:16:19 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704041618.l34GIRCm050522@ns3.geneseo.net> You guys are an influence on me. I don't know if it's a good or bad influence, though ;) As a result of all these tantalizing messages, I spent a sizeable amount on Amazon.com this morning. This stuff had better be good! The satellite radio idea seems good, but I'm puzzled about the variety of music available. I read the lineup of stations on the placards in Best Buy, and I also try the Sirius channels on Dish TV, looking for music I like. I find a zillion channels devoted to all kinds of rock and hip hop (ugh) , but I find only two channels with classical music, only one devoted to blues, and only two devoted to C & W. Sometimes I want something other than rock. Am I missing something? At 10:36 AM 4/4/2007, KLynch7589 at aol.com wrote: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to >what's in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 10:34:09 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:34:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: I hear ya Don! The XM comedy is another one of my favorites. Just so long as you keep the rig on the road when you've tears running down your face from all the laughing. Truth be known, the comedies were on 60% of the time form our run out West to Monterey & back! A great way to eat up the miles... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Wed Apr 4 10:39:38 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <12844000.1525761175704778692.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> I have been enjoying XM for about a year now. Has channels for 40's,50's,60's.70's,80's,90's each is separate Also bluegrass, several country channels and most anything including the old radio shows that Don Marshall likes. The next best thing for long trips is GPS. I set it and don't have to watch for road signs at every interestion. A lot less stressful and you always know "How much further is it". Also gives you your speed calicated by the GPS. They are all just toys. Dean From: Date: 2007/04/04 Wed AM 11:16:19 CDT To: "Jack W. Drews" , KLynch7589 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: Re: [Fot] Music From: "Jack W. Drews" Date: 2007/04/04 Wed AM 11:16:19 CDT To: KLynch7589 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Music You guys are an influence on me. I don't know if it's a good or bad influence, though ;) As a result of all these tantalizing messages, I spent a sizeable amount on Amazon.com this morning. This stuff had better be good! The satellite radio idea seems good, but I'm puzzled about the variety of music available. I read the lineup of stations on the placards in Best Buy, and I also try the Sirius channels on Dish TV, looking for music I like. I find a zillion channels devoted to all kinds of rock and hip hop (ugh) , but I find only two channels with classical music, only one devoted to blues, and only two devoted to C & W. Sometimes I want something other than rock. Am I missing something? At 10:36 AM 4/4/2007, KLynch7589 at aol.com wrote: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to >what's in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 4 10:51:50 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:51:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:37:28 AM Central Daylight Time, dtalbott at archrepro.com writes: > Mike > > The stability problem usually is more > pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or > when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further > unloading the rear. > Dave, Corner Station Five at Road America is an example of this. It took me awhile to figure out why some very significant cars changed ends so readily, frequently with high drama and disaster. I just got a box, containing Wildwood pedals and watching this thread with great interest. Initial set up will be by Rick J on the AMBRO at Wyotoech, however. Joe A From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Apr 4 10:54:50 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:54:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] road music Message-ID: <000a01c776d9$f6444ac0$6e71fcd0@your55e5f9e3d2> I did a road trip to southern california last week and have my favorite road music well in mind ZZ Top, 38 Special, Bob Seeger, Blondie, Pat Benetar, Eagles Magic Slim, Jimmy Thackery(sp?), Stevie Ray Vaughn, and the blues of Eric Clapton, and Bill Wharton(the Sauce Boss) In the Goat Roping area, Toby Keith, some Shania, Johnny Cash live at Folsom Prison Patricia Barber for some very cool Jazz. also lots of old time radio mysteries and comedy and best of all the 9 CD set of a recent novel THE AFGAN nothin got played twice art de armond From mikee at ragtops.com Wed Apr 4 11:28:43 2007 From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4613E04B.5000508@ragtops.com> FOT; I deliberately didn't say what car 'cause I didn't want to unfavorably bias the responses . It's a 67 AH 3000 to which we've fitted a brake conversion (4-pot calipers, vented rotors) on the front and discs on the rear. The question isn't so much about this car, but rather a generic question about how to establish what the balance is on any car. The specific car becomes an issue when trying to determine how to change the balance. David Talbott wrote: > > I've seen people use gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. Pressure measurements would be a starting point, but pad material ie friction coefficient, unless the same front and rear, would negate anything you learn by measuring pressures. The seat-of-the-pants method seems to be the consensus. We were looking for something measurable/repeatable. Tony Drews wrote: > Since part of the setup depends on how much friction your particular front and rear pads / shoes have, I don't think there's way other than seat-of-the-pants. We have installed softer pads in the rear (semi-metallic in the front) for exactly that reason; to give the rears more bite. We're also very aware of the difference tires make, since that's where all the actual work occurs. An interesting note is that stickier tires push the bias forward due to increased weight transfer under braking. What we're looking for is a measurable, ie repeatable way of determining where the balance is now and when we get it right. So far all the response advocate seat-of-the-pants adjustments. Doing seat-of-the-pants in a race car would be lot easier than pushing a car on the street at the 7/10 or more needed to show a problem. On this particular car, in a straight line the fronts lock first. Does that mean we've got 51% front and 49% rear or 90% front and 10% rear? By measuring the temps we surmise that it's more like 60% or 70% front. We'll install a proportioning valve and measure some more temps and do lots more driving and adjusting. From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 11:38:17 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:38:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 12:52:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: The stability problem usually is more > pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or > when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further > unloading the rear. > Dave, Corner Station Five at Road America is an example of this. It took me awhile to figure out why some very significant cars changed ends so readily, frequently with high drama and disaster. I just got a box, containing Wildwood pedals and watching this thread with great interest. Initial set up will be by Rick J on the AMBRO at Wyotoech, however. Daves good simple explanation brought up the weight transfer issue which is a big part of the equation. Some of these questions have no simple answers because there are so many variables. What works for one may not work for another. A lot of times we have to make educated decisions... I suggest (beginning with #3)- 1- Several of the late-great Carroll Smiths books 2- The Brake Handbook by Fred Puhn HP books 3- understand & appreciate the "friction" or "traction" circle concept & weight transfer this WILL help! Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 4 12:01:23 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:01:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Music References: Message-ID: <006b01c776e3$4209a2d0$690fc548@RWKastner> No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody? Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: greenman62 at hotmail.com To: KLynch7589 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Music >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in >your >I-Pod... I agree! I took my XM portable with me when I drove out west last fall. Plenty of jazz, rock and was able to keep up with Air America too... OBTW, I did bring a collection of CDs with me... Bix Beiderbeck, Bennie Goodman, Modern Jazz Quartet, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Medeival Babes, Stan Rogers, Fairport Convention, Steel Eye Span, Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Steeley Dan. Steely Dan was perfect for driving down Hwy 1 in California... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 4 12:41:45 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:41:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 1:02:07 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody? Yup, Glenn Gray and the Casa Loma Orchestra, Wayne King the Dance King, Guy Lombardo and the Royal Canadians, Stan Kenton...those were the days. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:48:11 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:48:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <006b01c776e3$4209a2d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: Awww Kas, I'll see your >No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody ... and raise you "Sing, Sing, Sing" (Benny Goodman the Carnegie Hall performance with Krupa on the "skins") and Fats Waller "This Joint is Jumpin'" If you ain't moving something while that's playing you'd better check your pulse... You might be dead! Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 4 12:55:47 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:55:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance References: <4613E04B.5000508@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <003601c776ea$db9e06a0$6a00000a@Dave> The temperature approach will also be subject to variation given the differential heating and cooling aspects of vented rotors compared to solids, as well as ducting or airstream variables, pad compounds, etc. The proportioning valve is a very handy tool if you are starting with a balance situation that is rear biased, since proportioning valves (unlike the bias adjusters on master cylinders) are usually pressure-limiting devices, simply reducing the rear pressure and effort. Like the knobs for cockpit adjustable cylinders, the nice part about a proportioning valve within the drivers reach is the ability to make changes on the fly. You may find that you have to fiddle with the relative master cylinder sizes (or wheel cylinders if you have rear drums) to get to a rear-heavy staring point for pressure-limiting type systems. Many production-based cars have pressure-limiting or pressure-delaying devices installed that can be removed to help get to the desired staring point for a racecar. Of course, if you are a high roller like Joe Alexander you would have a bias bar on the cylinders and then fine tune it all with the proportioning valve in the cockpit. Ultimately though, as Kas mentioned recently, you want to be able stand on the brakes real hard, but then get off of 'em a bit sooner and let that sticky rubber slow you down as you turn in. You work hard to make the brakes work well, and then you work hard to learn how to not slow down so much. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance FOT; I deliberately didn't say what car 'cause I didn't want to unfavorably bias the responses . It's a 67 AH 3000 to which we've fitted a brake conversion (4-pot calipers, vented rotors) on the front and discs on the rear. The question isn't so much about this car, but rather a generic question about how to establish what the balance is on any car. The specific car becomes an issue when trying to determine how to change the balance. David Talbott wrote: > > I've seen people use gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. Pressure measurements would be a starting point, but pad material ie friction coefficient, unless the same front and rear, would negate anything you learn by measuring pressures. The seat-of-the-pants method seems to be the consensus. We were looking for something measurable/repeatable. Tony Drews wrote: > Since part of the setup depends on how much friction your particular front and rear pads / shoes have, I don't think there's way other than seat-of-the-pants. We have installed softer pads in the rear (semi-metallic in the front) for exactly that reason; to give the rears more bite. We're also very aware of the difference tires make, since that's where all the actual work occurs. An interesting note is that stickier tires push the bias forward due to increased weight transfer under braking. What we're looking for is a measurable, ie repeatable way of determining where the balance is now and when we get it right. So far all the response advocate seat-of-the-pants adjustments. Doing seat-of-the-pants in a race car would be lot easier than pushing a car on the street at the 7/10 or more needed to show a problem. On this particular car, in a straight line the fronts lock first. Does that mean we've got 51% front and 49% rear or 90% front and 10% rear? By measuring the temps we surmise that it's more like 60% or 70% front. We'll install a proportioning valve and measure some more temps and do lots more driving and adjusting. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Apr 4 13:15:19 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:15:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. Largest Nano is 8 Gb, which is 12 CDs. Sounds like you need a bigger CD case ! :^) Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 13:26:11 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:26:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <32543948.1175714771991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Yes! I have many old radio shows on CD from www.theradiolady.com My odd voice choice is Vincent Price as The Saint. But, it works somehow. We also have William Conrad as Paladin in Have Gun Will Travel. Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) but these are from South Africa and advertize products never heard of here or in the UK. -----Original Message----- >From: Don Marshall >Sent: Apr 4, 2007 12:07 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Music > >For my money, the best listening on the road is old radio shows like The >Shadow, Philip Marlowe, Gunsmoke, Green Hornet and even Fibber McGee and >Molly. Even the kids will be quiet (at least our kid) and listen for >hours. We get them on Sirius but I think they're on XM as well. It >does take awhile to get your mind around William Conrad as Marshall >Dillon however. Don > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:37 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Music > >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's >in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 14:44:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:44:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BBA3C53-CA21-4BCC-9659-B02D592F47B2@bnj.com> As soon as i get to it I'm going to put a "Books on Tape and Paper" section on the blog too. Diane and I are both voracious readers and listen to books on long drives when we aren't doing music. The ultimate, in my mind, is "Snows of Kilimanjaro" read by Charlton Heston. Short, but an absolute must a few times in your life. I should explain perhaps that I'm a longtime iPOD junkie and while my CD collection still exists, I listen to music and books on tape via various MP3 players. Audible.com is a great source for MP3 version of books. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). > > I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that > will handle MP3 > files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. > That way you > can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having > 5 or more > discs per book. > > And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles > fly by, but I > find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more > rested (and > a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the > parking lot, > listening to the end of a chapter ! > > FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by > Tom Robbins. > Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich > are some of > my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really > well too, > towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 14:55:31 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:55:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: The scientific approach requires a lot of instrumentation. You can put pressure gauges on both lines and see where the hydraulic pressure is. While that doesn't necessarily translate to braking force it gives you relative numbers that have something to do with braking force that you can easily track. Or you can do it the way you do it on a race car--get on the brakes really hard a few times and see what the back end is doing. You want enough braking on the rear to keep it back there someplace, but no more. The more front bias you can get away with, the faster the car will haul down. For a road car you want to err on the side of safety and keep that rear end where it belongs under heavy braking. Most of your braking force will come from the front wheels unless you set the bias so strongly to the rear that the front wheels don't get any juice. Look at it this way, under hard braking the front wheels are being forced down against the pavement, and the rear wheels up. You can demonstrate that easily with a motorcycle. In fact just a few days ago I perfected doing "stoppies" on my dual purpose Honda 650. The cops in Paia were unimpressed. Or perhaps I should say unfavorably impressed, though I didn't get a ticket, just a little dressing down. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:13 AM, Mike wrote: > FOT; > We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions > started to > arise about brake balance / bias. > While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) > front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the > discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle > around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we > have a > 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting > up a > street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the > balance? > Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' > approach? > > Mike Engard > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Apr 4 13:55:12 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <000a01c776f7$2f1b0c90$c1d4fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> . From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 14:46:25 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:46:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mike Jackson > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of hottest women ever. Irv From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 14:49:36 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed Message-ID: <000f01c776fa$c28fbd10$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Hello FoT, I am in desperate need for a Mk I, Mk II or Mk III STEEL bonnet for my 63 Spitfire vintage racer to comply with SVRA requirements. The Zippo GP will be here before I know it! Due to the lack of restoration shops in my area (everyone just wants to do insurance claims) I am expanding my search for a perfect bonnet (this means no rust, original, no bondo, no dents). I know this sounds impossible, but I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for perfection as it will save me money in the long run. Hopefully someone out there knows someone who has one! I live in Annapolis, but will consider anything within the Continental US! Any leads will be gratefully followed! Thanks! Steven Groh 410-956-4988 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 15:00:13 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:00:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/04/2007 3:47:00 PM Central Daylight Time, emanteno at comcast.net writes: > > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the > incredible Ms Peel) > Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of > hottest women ever. > Episodes still run on the Time Warner BBCUSA Channel, but Shirley won't let me watch. She's very insecure. Bill ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 4 15:11:40 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:11:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> Irv, to the "hot woman" list, please add Barbara Bain - Cinnamon Carter on original Mission Impossible tv series. Ted emanteno at comcast.net wrote: >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Mike Jackson > > > >>Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) >> >> >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of hottest women ever. >Irv >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From spitlist at cox.net Wed Apr 4 15:26:59 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:26:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed References: <000f01c776fa$c28fbd10$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Message-ID: <00ee01c776ff$fafef760$84fea8c0@shop> Steven, Are you going to be in the desert anytime soon? If so, I know of a couple of them north of Tucson, AZ Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Groh" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed > Hello FoT, > > I am in desperate need for a Mk I, Mk II or Mk III STEEL bonnet for my 63 > Spitfire vintage racer to comply with SVRA requirements. The Zippo GP will be > here before I know it! Due to the lack of restoration shops in my area > (everyone just wants to do insurance claims) I am expanding my search for a > perfect bonnet (this means no rust, original, no bondo, no dents). I know > this sounds impossible, but I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for > perfection as it will save me money in the long run. Hopefully someone out > there knows someone who has one! I live in Annapolis, but will consider > anything within the Continental US! > > Any leads will be gratefully followed! Thanks! > > Steven Groh > 410-956-4988 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From niteseeker at aol.com Wed Apr 4 15:51:25 2007 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:51:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Driving Music Message-ID: <9e19cc4c51e70697bf03cec3aa671572@aol.com> Hey donot forget the Rhino records collection "Hot Rods & Custom Classics: Cruisin' Songs & Highway Hits" It comes in the Revelle model car box, with dice and some old decals From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Apr 4 16:31:00 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:31:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Message-ID: <001401c77708$ec5fe620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Anyone going to the VSCDA "Spring Brake" race and school at Gingerman? We plan to be there for Ryan to do the school. Tim From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 4 16:34:12 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:34:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 09:57 PM 4/3/2007, Mike Jackson wrote: >Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find >him...major slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. I assume that's the Jimmy Thackery that used to play guitar for the Nighthawks? That's another really good, somewhat obscure band. Another great guitarist from the DC area is Danny Gatton - his music has been re-released on CD. Do a google search... R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 4 18:58:50 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:58:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <461449CA.5060906@141.com> Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and you could definitely tell. Susan :) Jerry Barr wrote: > I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can > listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the > turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm > listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, > Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little > Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc > On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > >> <> >> >> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >> best. And >> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >> >> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >> >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >> band to >> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 18:35:17 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:35:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <20070405003336.A2526187A68@autox.team.net> While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. Most of my store bought CD's are closer to 15 songs. When on the road, I can't tell the difference between an MP-3 encoded at 128 bits or higher and the original source material, even when testing the power output limits of my stereo. At home, I can somewhat discern the difference between the vinyl, the CD and the MP-3. Even there, I can't tell the difference between a CD and a 192 bit encoded MP-3. But, it dramatically cuts down the file size from the original CD's wave file. I understand that there's another possible digital audio standard coming that has much higher encoding / sampling levels than the CD does. That'll be cool - I'll feel like I can leave the vinyl behind then. Not meaning to be critical or anything - I just want to educate why iPods are SO cool. - Tony At 02:15 PM 4/4/2007, Randall Young wrote: > > And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > > case. > >Largest Nano is 8 Gb, which is 12 CDs. Sounds like you need a bigger CD >case ! > >:^) >Randall >(Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 18:39:59 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:39:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> Message-ID: <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. I did burn up the bandwidth last night expanding my music collection. Jimmy Thackery ROCKS in a great blues way! Thanks, Mike. - Tony At 04:11 PM 4/4/2007, Ted Schumacher wrote: >Irv, to the "hot woman" list, please add Barbara Bain - Cinnamon Carter >on original Mission Impossible tv series. Ted > >emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > > >-------------- Original message -------------- > >From: Mike Jackson > > > > > > > >>Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with > the incredible Ms Peel) > >> > >> > >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list > of hottest women ever. > >Irv From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Apr 4 19:08:14 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:08:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> Message-ID: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's > (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using > MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will > play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of > it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At > 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so that's less than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a small price to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 19:15:06 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <20070405011329.C7334187A6D@autox.team.net> OK, I follow you now. I missed the MP-3 format on CD part... I do both. I've got a small CD case that has enough music in it to pretty much go coast to coast without a repeat. But, I load selected highlights into the shuffle to do the "random" thing. Plus, I've been downloading "podcasts" (or more accurately "netcasts"). Kinda the books on tape concept. (if you're into computer geek stuff, check out twit.tv) You can get ton of that content on your favorite MP-3 player. - Tony At 08:08 PM 4/4/2007, Randall Young wrote: >But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so that's less >than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a small price >to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of >electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). > >There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, >hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > >Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. From budscars at msn.com Wed Apr 4 19:32:24 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event Message-ID: <008901c77722$445e1b80$e48cb304@Bud> The entry list is up on the SCCA website for the vintage races April 21-22 at Laguna Seca..Looks like I'm the only Spitfire...Gary Horskorta is the lone TR4..Chas Turvey in a GT6..and a TR250 driven by Soulsby(I forgot the 1st name)..My group (3) has 30 cars..Group 2 has 19(Mi From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:34:49 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:34:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Different strokes for different folks. My music collection is 140GB of mostly 192 bit. After I get most of the music you folks have recommended it'll be something like 180GB I suspect. My iPod is a 60GB video ipod. I set up smart playlists that are about 60GB in size and rotate them into the iPod as the mood strikes. Sixty gigs is a lot of music. I also use it for video on airplanes--works fine except for all the people saying "how can you watch a movie on that little screen?". I've got software that converts DVDs into the iPod format. Lots of car radios these days have a good iPod interface that shows you the album, artist and song and let's you scan around. The cheap one I installed in Nero does that, but not the truck unfortunately. That's passenger duty usually, or if I'm alone, when I stop for gas I set up the playlist for the next 500 miles. There are too many wires in my life, it would be nice if there were less, but I find this an extremely handy way to carry and play a huge music music library, books on "tape", a dozen or so movies, and backup copies of articles I'm writing. I've got a waterproof case for it and even wear it surfing (Boz Scaggs, Chris Isaak or ZZTop are my favorites for surfing--so far). In fact at the end of the movie I stuck on my blog that shows a board's eye view of paddle surfing you can see the ipod strapped to my arm. http://www.ponohouse.com/ ponoblog/?p=249 Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Randall Young wrote: >> While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's >> (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using >> MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will >> play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of >> it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At >> 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. > > But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so > that's less > than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a > small price > to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of > electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). > > There's also something to be said for having the controls, and > display, > hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > > Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted > with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, > Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use > of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be > maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without > the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended > recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic > mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received > this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, > forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in > error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From scypher at usa.com Wed Apr 4 19:41:04 2007 From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:41:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blog on my quest to go Triumph Racing Message-ID: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> In an attempt to help focus myself despite my malady (shipwright's disease), I've started a blog on my daily work to get my HP spit pieced back together and get geared up for school later this year. I would appreciate anyone interested to visit, and comment on my efforts either in the blog, or through the list. If there is something I should talk about, or post about, let me know... I don't have the vast experience y'all do, so any guidance or "What the hell are you thinking, don't do that!" would be appreciated. I've reached out to a coupe FOT'ers on my recent seat dilemma, but if anyone else has an idea, I'm all ears... Thanks -Scott http://web.mac.com/srcypher From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 19:47:31 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:47:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tony Drews > Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" > thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. I think we have to give Mike Jackson the credit for this. All I did was follow Mike's lead: >From: Mike Jackson >Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with >the incredible Ms Peel) Not that I didn't take the ball and run with it. And yes, Ted. Barbara Bain belongs on that list. :-) Irv From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:45:50 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:45:50 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing In-Reply-To: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <54E4C048-BA0D-4D54-881C-5E83006F7589@bnj.com> Fair warning. I'm bringing a couple of stand up paddle surfboards with me on the All Aluminum Tour. I'm going to do my best to get some of you folks onto these things. Great fun, and the best and most painless exercise I've ever found. Well, painless while you're doing it anyway. Yesterday I surfed for about eight hours with just a little break for lunch. Hit the sack right after dinner. I hurt everywhere--thighs, calves, abdominals, shoulders, biceps. Even my teeth ached a bit. Slept like a baby. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:56:08 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:56:08 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Blog on my quest to go Triumph Racing In-Reply-To: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> References: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> Message-ID: <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> Nice blog Scott. I had never heard of shipwright's disease but I obviously have a fatal case--I'll be dead long before I get all the stuff I've taken apart back together. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > In an attempt to help focus myself despite my malady (shipwright's > disease), I've started a blog on my daily work to get my HP spit > pieced back together and get geared up for school later this year. > > I would appreciate anyone interested to visit, and comment on my > efforts either in the blog, or through the list. If there is > something I should talk about, or post about, let me know... > > I don't have the vast experience y'all do, so any guidance or "What > the hell are you thinking, don't do that!" would be appreciated. > > I've reached out to a coupe FOT'ers on my recent seat dilemma, but if > anyone else has an idea, I'm all ears... > > Thanks > -Scott > > > http://web.mac.com/srcypher > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:58:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:58:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0B36FB24-7EF9-4F08-95DD-0342B86CB89E@bnj.com> What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. She did terrible things to my young libido. For that matter the "legs" on Peter Gunn (Mary tyler Moore). On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:47 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Tony Drews > >> Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" >> thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. > I think we have to give Mike Jackson the credit for this. All I did > was follow Mike's lead: >> From: Mike Jackson >> Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with >> the incredible Ms Peel) > Not that I didn't take the ball and run with it. And yes, Ted. > Barbara Bain belongs on that list. > :-) > Irv > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From scypher at usa.com Wed Apr 4 20:03:37 2007 From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blog on my quest to go Triumph Racing In-Reply-To: <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> References: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1B5909A8-72C4-4A0B-AE66-3F6C47DFDB75@usa.com> Thanks, Bill. That assumes any of us afflicted can find all the parts that belong together. There's always that one piece I know I have, somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it... On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Nice blog Scott. I had never heard of shipwright's disease but I > obviously have a fatal case--I'll be dead long before I get all the > stuff I've taken apart back together. > > Bill Babcock From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 4 20:05:18 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:05:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: OK, here's what I've been listening to lately: John Hiatt Dave Alvin Toots and the Maytalls Burning Spear Jet (first CD) Teddy Bears Gorillaz Alison Krauss Heather Berry Hackensaw Boys King Wilkie Terri Allard Sly and the Family Stone Emmy Lou Harris Gillian Welch The Wailers Del McCoury Traffic The DeRailers Dwight Yoakum Bad Religion Rhonda Vincent The Tractors Social Distortion Yeah, I know, its kinda all over the place... R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 21:08:39 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bill Babcock What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. Barbara Feldon :-) From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 22:43:06 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:43:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4390DEC5-64ED-468E-A27B-1A272F4979CB@bnj.com> Ah, yes. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 5:08 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Bill Babcock > < SPAN c lass=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 14px > Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: > 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: > separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in- > effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> > What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. > > > > Barbara Feldon > > :-) From Herald948 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 21:52:03 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:52:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ryoung at navcomtech.com writes: There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. ==AM== Geez, I feel so totally out of it. Admittedly, I was intrigued to discover that my daughter's iPod, with some sort of transmitter/adapter, would play through my genuine Triumph-labeled AM/FM push-button radio in the Herald. Meanwhile, though, I finally got my first CD player NOT built into a computer, this past Christmas. Alas, since that genuine Triumph radio has no cassette player, I can't adapt the CD player to the (still positive ground, anyway) Triumph. Nor do I have an iPod of my own. Heck, when I first got the Herald in 2002 and drove it to Minnesota and back, I had to rely on only an AM radio. Tough to find interesting music on the AM band along the I-90 corridor.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Apr 5 01:41:14 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:41:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on Nurburgring roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <005401c77755$caa624c0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> The new LEMS racing car..... http://www.myvideo.de/watch/1166964 From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Thu Apr 5 05:52:22 2007 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:52:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Message-ID: Tim, I'll be there, though no Triumph this time. I will be continuing my quest to learn how in the heck to drive the Ginetta G-15. The 998cc of rear-engine and 1100 pounds of weight make for a car that needs to be driven just about exactly opposite of a TR4! I am leading the open-wheel group again this year at the drivers school as well as conducting the Thursday night classroom session. Looks like it's shaping up to be a big school this year. I look forward to seeing you there. John Houlton ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 5 06:30:28 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:30:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing In-Reply-To: <54E4C048-BA0D-4D54-881C-5E83006F7589@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A070A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> You're just trying to disable us in order to gain an advantage on the track. Ha! Like we'd fall for that. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:46 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing Fair warning. I'm bringing a couple of stand up paddle surfboards with me on the All Aluminum Tour. I'm going to do my best to get some of you folks onto these things. Great fun, and the best and most painless exercise I've ever found. Well, painless while you're doing it anyway. Yesterday I surfed for about eight hours with just a little break for lunch. Hit the sack right after dinner. I hurt everywhere--thighs, calves, abdominals, shoulders, biceps. Even my teeth ached a bit. Slept like a baby. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 07:17:34 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:17:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: M-M-M-M- Mrs Peel... She's still a hottie Aprops of nothing in particular... The name "Emma Peel" was taken from the casting process... While they were casting the part, they were searching for someone with "`M' (man) appeal" The name stuck... cheeky... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: emanteno at comcast.net >To: Mike Jackson , Don >Marshall, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Music >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:46:25 +0000 > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Mike Jackson > > > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the >incredible Ms Peel) >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of >hottest women ever. >Irv >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From deanesr at uncw.edu Thu Apr 5 08:09:38 2007 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:09:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (FoT) Fwd.Driving Music Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46405D7D4A0@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well I see we all enjoy good music but Brian Adams, The Cranberries, Fleetwood Mac and George Thorogood's " Bad to the Bone" when I get near the track does it for me. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Apr 5 08:31:14 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:31:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <020501c7778f$111843a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Ever bothered by people about you are driving a tracktor? For all TR 2-4 drivers...this is the revenge....the missing link that proofs that Triumphs CAN go fast..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapHhgnm6CQ From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 5 14:19:23 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:19:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <461449CA.5060906@141.com> Message-ID: <00a201c777bf$c60da3b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Given all the recent discussion of music and driving, I was not surprised to read Peter Egan's column in R&T this month (the one with the new M3 on the cover) talking about the connections between Rock & Roll and cars. However, his premise is that almost all R&R musicians are car buffs, but not all car buffs are R&R fans. Looking at the music choices you all have tee'd up, I am not sure whether to agree or disagree. Pretty fair smattering of Rock, but there seems to be a little bit of everything but opera on our lists. Worth a read, as his columns always are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Jerry Barr" Cc: ; "Barr, Scott" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and > they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in > the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't > realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues > from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and > you could definitely tell. > > Susan :) > > > Jerry Barr wrote: >> I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can >> listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the >> turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm >> listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, >> Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little >> Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: >> >> >>> <> >>> >>> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >>> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >>> best. And >>> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >>> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >>> >>> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >>> bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >>> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >>> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >>> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >>> band to >>> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> -- >>> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Apr 5 19:31:00 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangability Message-ID: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Fellow Spit owners and racers, Before I dive off the deep end (again), does anyone know if a Mk III bonnet will interchange with a Mk I and II? I think the front pivots are different, but will they be dimensionally the same? I think a fellow racer named Russ Moore may have done this. Anyone have a contact for him? Steve Groh 63 ex-Manning Spitfire From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 5 19:34:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:34:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangeability In-Reply-To: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> References: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Message-ID: <002e01c777eb$c0168630$16fea8c0@newcomputer> The main difference is in the hinge that is part of the inner frame structure. On the MK3 it is higher because the bumpers were raised. The sheet metal will interchange as long as you have the correct inner frame. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Groh Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:31 PM To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangability Fellow Spit owners and racers, Before I dive off the deep end (again), does anyone know if a Mk III bonnet will interchange with a Mk I and II? I think the front pivots are different, but will they be dimensionally the same? I think a fellow racer named Russ Moore may have done this. Anyone have a contact for him? Steve Groh 63 ex-Manning Spitfire _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Fri Apr 6 09:37:00 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BD3A8FFB23343E9ACCF6BC100E48F82@SohlPC> We have a local "pea powered" AM station (1510) within a couple miles of us that plays nothing but oldies all afternoon. I have an old AM auto radio from a Dodge with a 6x9 speaker set up in my garage with a 12v power adapter and its the best way to listen to 50s/60s R&R. The station is WRNJ and it does have an internet live capability if you're curious. The host DJ is "Doc South" who is on every weekday from about Noon to 4pm and also Saturday mornings. Doc does a great deal of DJing during the summer crusie nigt gatherings in my area...Northwest NJ. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ryoung at navcomtech.com writes: > > There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, > hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > > Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. > > > > ==AM== > Geez, I feel so totally out of it. Admittedly, I was intrigued to discover > that my daughter's iPod, with some sort of transmitter/adapter, would play > through my genuine Triumph-labeled AM/FM push-button radio in the Herald. > Meanwhile, though, I finally got my first CD player NOT built into a > computer, this > past Christmas. Alas, since that genuine Triumph radio has no cassette > player, I can't adapt the CD player to the (still positive ground, anyway) > Triumph. Nor do I have an iPod of my own. > > Heck, when I first got the Herald in 2002 and drove it to Minnesota and > back, I had to rely on only an AM radio. Tough to find interesting music > on the > AM band along the I-90 corridor.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, > Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Apr 6 13:32:41 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bill Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 Paul From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Apr 6 16:28:56 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: > Bill > > Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S > TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR inside that thing. Plus it's really "in the weeds". Wicked ride, man. > Paul rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Fri Apr 6 16:45:04 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything References: Message-ID: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result in reducing the ground clearance ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Paul MacDonald" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything > On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: > >> Bill >> >> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 > > Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR > inside that thing. > > Plus it's really "in the weeds". > > Wicked ride, man. > >> Paul > > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Apr 6 18:51:06 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:51:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> References: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> Message-ID: <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> What ground clearance??? Don Elliott wrote: > If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result in reducing > the ground clearance ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Paul MacDonald" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything > > > >> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>> Bill >>> >>> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >>> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 >>> >> Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR >> inside that thing. >> >> Plus it's really "in the weeds". >> >> Wicked ride, man. >> >> >>> Paul >>> >> rml >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From budscars at msn.com Fri Apr 6 17:50:51 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:50:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Message-ID: <001d01c778a6$69ee07e0$8d83b304@Bud> Hello Gang...Where can I obtain all steel head gasket for my 1296cc Spitfire?.or..What if not available..what is the best alternative? Thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, ca. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Apr 6 19:32:24 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:32:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070406213207.01e0c910@blacksburg.net> Amici, It is my pleasure to nominate Leigh Derby to our throng. He's a Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. I had the pleasure seeing his Spitfire first hand a few years ago - very nice machine. His address is leighderby at earthlink.net Do I hear a second? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 6 19:59:31 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743CE7FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri Apr 06 20:32:24 2007 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Amici, It is my pleasure to nominate Leigh Derby to our throng. He's a Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. I had the pleasure seeing his Spitfire first hand a few years ago - very nice machine. His address is leighderby at earthlink.net Do I hear a second? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 6 20:03:10 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:03:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743CE7FF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hey Bud. I've had pretty good luck with the black, rubbery-coated composite gaskets. I think (late on a Friday) that they're Paen gaskets. Try SpitBits, order the "OEM" gasket. I was changing head gasket far too often until I started using those. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri Apr 06 18:50:51 2007 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Hello Gang...Where can I obtain all steel head gasket for my 1296cc Spitfire?.or..What if not available..what is the best alternative? Thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, ca. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Apr 6 20:08:30 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: You know, just because your face is in Kas's book doesn't make you reputable...I should know! Err, wait. Never mind. Steve, no! Roger; Roger Evets > Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, > you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Fri Apr 6 21:29:08 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:29:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination Message-ID: I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's looking to turn into a vintage racer.... Chad writes: As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in 500 miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. I have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support my habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket book but really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, but we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Apr 6 23:48:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:48:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070407054639.4D13F187A3A@autox.team.net> I'll second! - Tony Drews At 10:29 PM 4/6/2007, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: >I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's >looking to turn into a vintage racer.... > >Chad writes: > >As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in 500 >miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar >with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. I >have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support my >habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket >book but >really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL > > >Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, but >we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps >he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? > >--Andy Mace > >*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph >Herald engine with wings. >-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > >Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald >Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2172 (20070407) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From KLynch7589 at aol.com Fri Apr 6 23:48:58 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:48:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination Message-ID: I'm in, he seems alright despite his illness... Kev Lynch RMVR ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Apr 7 05:42:51 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:42:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious References: Message-ID: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Out of the underground.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 07:26:44 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination References: <20070407054639.4D13F187A3A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801c77918$62fd9370$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Welcome Chad. I am glad Andy nominated you - I meant to after we traded emails but Andy got to it first. Always glad to have another GT6 racer in the fold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination > I'll second! > > - Tony Drews > > At 10:29 PM 4/6/2007, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: >>I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's >>looking to turn into a vintage racer.... >> >>Chad writes: >> >>As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in >>500 >>miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar >>with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. >>I >>have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support >>my >>habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket >>book but >>really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL >> >> >>Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, >>but >>we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps >>he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? >> >>--Andy Mace >> >>*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >>*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, >>Triumph >>Herald engine with wings. >>-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >>Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >>Herald >>Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) >> >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2172 (20070407) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 09:24:37 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music -Text to Speach angle In-Reply-To: <0BBA3C53-CA21-4BCC-9659-B02D592F47B2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <673708.11186.qm@web90305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another angle; I just completed a run at an MBA and discovered text-to-speach programs with the AT&T voices. Personally I like "Crystal" to read to me, definitely worth the additional cost!!! It was a great way to reduce downloaded articles and anything in virtually any format to audio using a laptop. I even ran it through the stereo as I have a 50 min drive to work each way. Turned 10 hours a week of down time to study time. Coupled with a Sprint type of Cellular internet card for the laptop and it will even read all the drivel we post from your Outlook emails while you motor. Its completely compatible with Outlook and will work through your email. Cheers, Mark Eginton at a new email address... Bill Babcock wrote: As soon as i get to it I'm going to put a "Books on Tape and Paper" section on the blog too. Diane and I are both voracious readers and listen to books on long drives when we aren't doing music. The ultimate, in my mind, is "Snows of Kilimanjaro" read by Charlton Heston. Short, but an absolute must a few times in your life. I should explain perhaps that I'm a longtime iPOD junkie and while my CD collection still exists, I listen to music and books on tape via various MP3 players. Audible.com is a great source for MP3 version of books. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). > > I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that > will handle MP3 > files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. > That way you > can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having > 5 or more > discs per book. > > And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles > fly by, but I > find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more > rested (and > a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the > parking lot, > listening to the end of a chapter ! > > FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by > Tom Robbins. > Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich > are some of > my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really > well too, > towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 7 11:32:03 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:32:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> References: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> Message-ID: What a rig. I like it a lot, but if I get one more project without finishing one I'll need a new place to live. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > What ground clearance??? > > Don Elliott wrote: >> If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result >> in reducing >> the ground clearance ? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert M. Lang" >> To: "Paul MacDonald" >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>>> ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >>>> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 >>>> >>> Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably >>> fit a TR >>> inside that thing. >>> >>> Plus it's really "in the weeds". >>> >>> Wicked ride, man. >>> >>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>> rml >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for >>> rent >>> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >>> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 7 12:33:57 2007 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil Message-ID: <223419.35895.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was confused over the many posts on the oil (zinc) controversy. Is valveline racing oil still usuable? From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sat Apr 7 14:46:10 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:46:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Continued Message-ID: <20070407.144611.-210411.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? Thanks, Bill From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 15:09:07 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Virtual Engine Dyno Professional In-Reply-To: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <127857.92359.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone mess with this program with TRs? Apparently its quite accurate for High Performance V8's etc. I was impressed with the ability to input actual products and see how performance changes. My machinist uses it quite regularly for circle track and mud racers("Woodchucks" he calls them) out here - he doesn't do much foreign... BTW he told me about a fuel regulator all the guys out at Watkins Glen are using that has a vacume line to the intake manifold. Apparently there is a long downhill stretch with a tight corner at the bottom - vibration, downshifting etc tends to dump raw fuel into the manifold killing the hole shot out of the corner (again we are probably talking Holleys here). This regulator stops that by cutting fuel pressure off-throttle... Is this a common gadget, he could not remember the manufacturer,,, Mark Eginton http://www.virtualengine2000.com/DynoOverview.htm --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Apr 7 15:41:30 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:41:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E97@server.Triumph.local> Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. Anybody have one they could fax to me? Thanks! Henry Frye 860-653-3118 fax From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 7 16:44:35 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:44:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? Message-ID: <20070407.154509.890.2035564@webmail03.nyc.untd.com> I have one and will fax it to you. Joe(B) -- "Henry Frye" wrote: Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. Anybody have one they could fax to me? Thanks! Henry Frye 860-653-3118 fax _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Apr 7 16:48:01 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:48:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious In-Reply-To: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD bins at Walmart. I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage is incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. I still have two unopenned ones. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious > Out of the underground.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 7 16:48:19 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:48:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] Virtual Engine Dyno Professional Message-ID: <20070407.154918.890.2035593@webmail03.nyc.untd.com> That corner at WGI sounds like the toe of the boot, but I have never found it problematic with SU's or Webers. Joe(B) -- mark eginton wrote: Anyone mess with this program with TRs? Apparently its quite accurate for High Performance V8's etc. I was impressed with the ability to input actual products and see how performance changes. My machinist uses it quite regularly for circle track and mud racers("Woodchucks" he calls them) out here - he doesn't do much foreign... BTW he told me about a fuel regulator all the guys out at Watkins Glen are using that has a vacume line to the intake manifold. Apparently there is a long downhill stretch with a tight corner at the bottom - vibration, downshifting etc tends to dump raw fuel into the manifold killing the hole shot out of the corner (again we are probably talking Holleys here). This regulator stops that by cutting fuel pressure off-throttle... Is this a common gadget, he could not remember the manufacturer,,, Mark Eginton http://www.virtualengine2000.com/DynoOverview.htm --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 7 17:09:17 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:09:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious References: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> Message-ID: <01a801c77969$c497acf0$690fc548@RWKastner> Some of that footage looks a lot like the first Pebble Beach course thru the trees on the 17 Mile Drive in the Del Monte forest. The last race there was in 1956, I was an entrant. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sohl To: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD bins at Walmart. I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage is incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. I still have two unopenned ones. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious > Out of the underground.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 17:47:10 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:47:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious In-Reply-To: <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> Message-ID: >About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD >bins at Walmart. >I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage >is >incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. > >I still have two unopenned ones. > >Cheers, >Bill Sohl When Biography did Roger Corman's life, he talked about this film. I think he said that it was only about the second film one he made. He said that they didn't hire stunt drivers; the crew drove the cars themselves. Corman said that he was driving a Jag and that the scene called for Corman to slow down in a turn so a Porsche could pass him, but that the pass didn't occur in the first cut because Corman didn't slow down enough. Well time must dim memories because in that scene, Corman is driving a TR2 or 3 and is passed by a Jowett Jupiter! Bet he had to slow a lot for that scene! John From trhouse at greenapple.com Sat Apr 7 18:33:13 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:33:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious and more!!! References: Message-ID: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> http://www.library.appstate.edu/stockcar/movies.html John Herrera wrote: From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Apr 8 07:27:39 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:27:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam card received In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E97@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> Got it, thanks to all who responded, especially Joe Boruch who found the time during this busy family holiday weekend to locate his card and fax it over. > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Frye > Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? > > Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. > > Anybody have one they could fax to me? From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Apr 8 13:20:56 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire racecar on Ebay Message-ID: <151973.48493.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are any listers bidding on the Spitfire racecar, item 260101404672, on Ebay? I'm asking because this is an old car of mine. As a matter of fact, the very first racecar I built and ran. If any of you are bidding, and want to know anything about it email me off list and I'll fill you in. The selling agent doesn't seem to know very much about the car. I've prepped it for the current owner, who has decided he doesn't care to race it. If any of you are bidding, good luck, you will surely enjoy the car. Thanks - Ed From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Apr 8 15:51:44 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:51:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: In a message dated 4/8/2007 11:02:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P > additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? > Thanks, > Bill Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by our engines. ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. Rgds Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 16:29:46 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <552944.24401.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Years traveling on an expense account applied through a 1/2 inch breaker-bar (no extra leverage needed) after a good marinade of penetrating oil for a week combined with a tubba-4 backstop inside the engine block made for a relatively uneventful closure of my issue. Thanks to all so very much for sage advice and commiseration. Gotta love garage time when you got a house full of chocolate fortified youngsters... Best and thanks again, M --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Apr 8 17:46:50 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down References: <552944.24401.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c77a38$2e4a0a70$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Took me a moment to figure out the expense account bit, but I get it . . . succinctly and eloquently put! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down > Years traveling on an expense account applied through a 1/2 inch > breaker-bar (no extra leverage needed) after a good marinade of > penetrating oil for a week combined with a tubba-4 backstop inside the > engine block made for a relatively uneventful closure of my issue. > > Thanks to all so very much for sage advice and commiseration. > > Gotta love garage time when you got a house full of chocolate fortified > youngsters... > > Best and thanks again, > > M > > > > --------------------------------- > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Apr 9 08:40:00 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: The Car Racers Newsletter special update...22] Message-ID: <461A503A.905AC238@greenapple.com> Return-Path: Received: from mx5.greenapple.com (root at mx5.greenapple.com [198.144.72.54]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l39530gO006038 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fakemail1.lax.untd.com (m17.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.80]) by mx5.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id l3951DCP013512 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fakemail1.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m17.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDBVUC8A3L2NYS for (sender ); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:00:14 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: YhgDrkXqknf1g/UTKSrbmrc1EJgVWJO1/k9PUmK0PO3UKIlPdDs8Ew== Received: (from rnparks2 at juno.com) by m17.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MJU2FGWD; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:59:32 PDT To: Rnparks2 at juno.com Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:58:45 -0700 Subject: The Car Racers Newsletter special update...22 Message-ID: <20070408.215847.10708.21.Rnparks2 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 25-6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26-27,29,31,33,35,37,39-32767 From: Richard N Parks X-ContentStamp: 12:6:3993908832 X-MAIL-INFO: 0cf55c7cadf5a828a8d1d9a81818dd08853dcddc3c8135cd854939357ccd8575996899bc9d385d1c251ca18c6ca12578e92578e9bc599168d5c9f888f1698898c16548896955a54cbd1d2c2c1da5e199a539583d8908456558e98c25b17d55ece5e5b19db12901 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|fakemail1.lax.untd.com|rnparks2 at juno.com X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.057, required 4, autolearn=disabled, HTML_30_40 0.06, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: rnparks2 at juno.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain 1) Robert E. Petersen, founder of Petersen Publishing (Hot Rod Magazine, Motor Trend) passed away on March 23, 2007. A Celebration of Life was held on March 29 at the Petersen Automotive Museum. (Story available) 2) The 15th California Racers Reunion will be held on May 6th, 2007 in Southern California. 3) Congratulations to Scott G. Parks, grandson of Wally Parks, on passing his California State bar exam. 4) Joe MacPherson passed away on March 30, 2007. MacPherson owned many car dealerships and fielded a racecar at the Indy 500. Joe's Garage (museum) in Tustin, (CA) hosts many banquets and car club functions. 5) Best wishes for a speedy recovery to Lynn Wineland, longtime Petersen Publishing employee. 6) The Cruisin' For a Cure raffle car will be at the Long Beach Grand Prix, April 13-15, in the Firestone booth for the weekend. You can buy tickets for the drawing. Proceeds go for prostate cancer research. 7) Mary Mondello sends us word that Joe Mondello is recovering from major back surgery performed on March 29, but intends to be back porting and teaching in about a month. 8) Auto racing book and movie reviews are available at www.hotrodhotline.com and www.oilstick.com. If you have written a book or produced a move/video, send requests for reviews to me or to the websites. Readers, please support our auto/boat/motorcycle/racing authors and historians. They keep the sport alive for us. 9) Jack McAfee, a sprint car and road course driver, passed away on March 10, 2007. www.jackmcafee.com 10) Glen Barrett, Chief timer at Bonneville for many years, had by-pass surgery April 5th in Washington, Utah. He is recovering and will be home in a few days. (from Glenn Freudenberger) From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:33:16 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:33:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link Message-ID: Yes .....l but the best thing is when you hooooooof past them in 2nd od, ..... towing the plough .... The healeys HATE that ..... Long live the TR4! Happy easter TR men ..... Best regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 05/04/07 15:31 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link Ever bothered by people about you are driving a tracktor? For all TR 2-4 drivers...this is the revenge....the missing link that proofs that Triumphs CAN go fast..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapHhgnm6CQ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:59:08 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:59:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: I never seem to have the right song, at the right place ..., at the right time .... ! "Bealzebub has a devil set aside for me ... For me .. For me ....!" "I never see the hidden cuve until its way too late .... " "Bury the throttle, my honey twists and growls, the flag is mine, all mine .." push my TRIUMPH to the line" Its only rock and roll ...... But I like it! Best regards for Easter Chaps! Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 05/04/07 21:19 Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music Given all the recent discussion of music and driving, I was not surprised to read Peter Egan's column in R&T this month (the one with the new M3 on the cover) talking about the connections between Rock & Roll and cars. However, his premise is that almost all R&R musicians are car buffs, but not all car buffs are R&R fans. Looking at the music choices you all have tee'd up, I am not sure whether to agree or disagree. Pretty fair smattering of Rock, but there seems to be a little bit of everything but opera on our lists. Worth a read, as his columns always are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Jerry Barr" Cc: ; "Barr, Scott" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and > they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in > the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't > realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues > from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and > you could definitely tell. > > Susan :) > > > Jerry Barr wrote: >> I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can >> listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the >> turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm >> listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, >> Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little >> Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: >> >> >>> <> >>> >>> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >>> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >>> best. And >>> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >>> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >>> >>> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >>> bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >>> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >>> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >>> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >>> band to >>> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> -- >>> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 9 13:36:56 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:36:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: From the AllAluminumTour blog: Similarly to the thread on music, I'm looking for help on books to read and books to listen to on this long, long trip. Since this list is intended to help me, let me tell you a few of the things that i already have covered. Patrick O'Brian--still can't believe he died on me. Thoughtless of him. I consider him to be one of the best writers in the english language. I have numerous full sets of his Aubrey/Maturin books, including everything on tape. Bernard Cornwall--got everything, waiting for him to write more, though I've only tried one book on tape as a download from Audible. Didn't really like it, can't say why. Rex Stout--hey, the trailer is named Nero. Rex has been gone a long time, I think I've read every word he published, and got most of them on tape. Hemingway, Robert Ruark, Peter Capstick, Peter Mayle--got 'em, read 'em, perhaps too many times. I'm waiting for my memory to go completely so I can enjoy them all fresh and new. Science Fiction--I'm a little burned out on the genre, the result of 50+ years of voraciously reading the great, the good, the OK and the really crappy. The last good SF book I found was Vernor Venge, "Fire Upon the Deep" and even he couldn't repeat the depth. I've read David Weber's stuff, but I always feel a little stupid slogging through the formulaic dreck. William Gibson seems to have quit writing, Neil Stephenson is on autopilot. My particular likes are historical fiction, science, anything to do with cars or motorcycles, the occasional detective stuff, anything hemingway-esque. Maybe that's the problem, I need to consider some new directions. What are you reading, what do you love, what books on tape are particularly great. I note that the reader is important for books on tape. Who'd have thunk that Bert Reynolds would be a GREAT book on tape voice, even though he can't pronounce "library". Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 8, 2007, at 3:27 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > Got it, thanks to all who responded, especially Joe Boruch who > found the > time during this busy family holiday weekend to locate his card and > fax > it over. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Henry Frye >> Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? >> >> Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. >> >> Anybody have one they could fax to me? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 9 12:39:57 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <200704091839.l39IdvJ2021943@moose.dimebank.com> > > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, > > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P > > additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? > > Thanks, > > Bill > > Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by our > engines. > ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. Well ... some do, some don't. http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html has a nice table of what oils contain what levels of ZDDP, and indicate the base stock, too. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 9 14:40:06 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:40:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FE6B156-3102-46D1-8C74-F15FC6CD84C6@bnj.com> I agree entirely about the Dudley Pope books. I've read most of the Alexander Kent/Bolitho books, but he's pretty dreary and repetitive. Needs a better editor (don't we all). Haven't read them all. A friend gave me a complete set for my birthday. I've also read all of C.S. Forester, especially the Hornblower series. By the way, a little plug for B.S. Levy directed to the two or three FOT guys that haven't read him. Do so. But speaking of guys that need an editor, the last book was both delightful and irritating. No one can edit their own copy past second draft. By that time every word is a drop of blood, and hard to toss. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 9, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I can't recall if we ever covered the topic, but have you read any > of the > Dudley Pope Ramage! novels? They're a cut ahead of Alexander Kent > but not > quite as good as Aubrey/Maturin. > > Anything else I might suggest is surely on your "read it already > list". I > have a stack of books that I've had no time to read. Included on > the list > are everything from O'brian after Ionian Mission. I know there's at > least > 10 more on that pile. > > But Ramage is great fun indeed. > > I don't suppose you've read Doug Nye's book on Senna. From the parts I > scanned, I shelled out about $50 for that one, hardcover and all. > > regards, > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 13:48:31 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Main Seals Message-ID: <774184.86066.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen this question asked before but for the life of me I can't find the thread in the archives. Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? Mark Eginton '57 TR3 --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 9 14:14:56 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:14:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Main Seals Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:48:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dobrosailor at yahoo.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Apr 9 14:18:11 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> <7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> Message-ID: <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody else: > >Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the >art of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great >story of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics >to the principles of military strategy. No kidding. > >Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation >of the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. > >Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A >Bomb. Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by >Richard Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from >Road Atlanta a couple of years ago. > >Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't >remember the title. Richard - Joe? Title? > >How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >civilized world at the time of Christ. > >Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >the sensation of driving a race car at speed. > >Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator >funded virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in >Afganistan, funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all >through the back channels of government, with never a vote and never >an approval. Spent a lot of the government's dough on himself and >his lady friends, too. > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 9 14:37:16 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:37:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Main Seals clarification Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Apr 9 14:55:16 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:55:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape Message-ID: <31965909.8773821176152116765.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> Hello Bill, A couple of books I have read recently that I can recommend. "First Light" is the wartime memoir of Geoffrey Wellum who joined the RAF as a flying cadet at the age of 17 1/2 and was flying Spitfires in the Battle of Britain before he was 19. He does a wonderful job of describing both the shear joy of flying as well as the chaos and terror of aerial combat. It's one of the best books I have read in years. Another fascinating book I am now reading is "The Grand Prix Saboteurs" by Joe Saward. This is the true story of pre-war Grand Prix drivers William Grover-Williams, Robert Benoist and Jean-Pierre Wimille who worked for the British SOE in France during the war. Saward spent 18 years researching the story. It's one of those true stories that reads like fiction. It does suffer from some poor editing and can be a bit hard to follow in that the author seems to switch back and forth between using the agents real names and their code names. But it is a fantastic story. Another book I enjoyed on vacation was "Touch Wood" by Duncan Hamilton. Hamilton was a gentleman racer and Jaguar works driver who won the 1953 24hrs of Le Mans. To say that the man knew how to have fun is a serious understatement. You will laugh out loud guarnteed! I don't know if it is still in print but used copies are around. Cheers, Kurt Oblinger >From: Bill Babcock >Date: 2007/04/09 Mon PM 02:36:56 CDT >To: FOT Triumph , mgVR at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape > From the AllAluminumTour blog: > >Similarly to the thread on music, I'm looking for help on books to >read and books to listen to on this long, long trip. Since this list >is intended to help me, let me tell you a few of the things that i >already have covered. > >Patrick O'Brian--still can't believe he died on me. Thoughtless of >him. I consider him to be one of the best writers in the english >language. I have numerous full sets of his Aubrey/Maturin books, >including everything on tape. > >Bernard Cornwall--got everything, waiting for him to write more, >though I've only tried one book on tape as a download from Audible. >Didn't really like it, can't say why. > >Rex Stout--hey, the trailer is named Nero. Rex has been gone a long >time, I think I've read every word he published, and got most of them >on tape. > >Hemingway, Robert Ruark, Peter Capstick, Peter Mayle--got 'em, read >'em, perhaps too many times. I'm waiting for my memory to go >completely so I can enjoy them all fresh and new. > >Science Fiction--I'm a little burned out on the genre, the result of >50+ years of voraciously reading the great, the good, the OK and the >really crappy. The last good SF book I found was Vernor Venge, "Fire >Upon the Deep" and even he couldn't repeat the depth. I've read >David Weber's stuff, but I always feel a little stupid slogging >through the formulaic dreck. William Gibson seems to have quit >writing, Neil Stephenson is on autopilot. > >My particular likes are historical fiction, science, anything to do >with cars or motorcycles, the occasional detective stuff, anything >hemingway-esque. Maybe that's the problem, I need to consider some >new directions. What are you reading, what do you love, what books on >tape are particularly great. I note that the reader is important for >books on tape. Who'd have thunk that Bert Reynolds would be a GREAT >book on tape voice, even though he can't pronounce "library". > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Apr 9 14:52:58 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:52:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run time. Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street applications? On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Bill On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Chris Kantarjiev writes: > > > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam > applications, > > > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn > & P > > > additives, or do they require it at levels below government > scrutiny? > > > Thanks, > > > Bill > > > > Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by > our > > engines. > > ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. > > Well ... some do, some don't. > > http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html has a nice table > of what oils contain what levels of ZDDP, and indicate > the base stock, too. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 9 15:13:08 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. All oils, synthetic or otherwise, have Zn & P in them. Always have. Different brands have different additive packages, and thus provide different results. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Nothing has been made illegal. The EPA specifications for the named service levels have changed, and oil manufacturers that want to meet the latest service level (SM, or CJ-4 for diesels), are reducing the amount of Zn and P, as described at http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html Flat tappet engines want higher levels (at least 1000 ppm, perhaps at least 1200 ppm). So look for an oil that has that much. Or use GM's EOS to supplement the levels in the oil that you love. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 9 15:15:24 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, William G Rosenbach wrote: > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. I can't comment on this one. No direct experience. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? okay - an important distinction is required here. The reduction of ZPPD in the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec with reduced ZDDP is API SM. Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating the reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I personally have no idea if this the case or not. So, if you want oil with ZDDP, look for oils graded API SG. Higher than SG (for example SM) API rating means reduced ZDDP. In the ones right after SG the reduction is smaller in some brands than others. Motorcycle oil and certain racing oils still have the ZDDP. The terms that are used like "illegal for street use" are marketing hyperbole. > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? It's important to understand that in the US, all cars have had cats since the mid-70's (please don't flame me about early 80's Hondas having no cats). The point is that the vast majority of on-the-road cars in the US have cats or were equipped with them from the factory. Any of these catalyst equipped vehicles will have been effected by the presence of the ZDDP (and other stuff). The move to sell over the counter products to consumers is not aimed at us - that is racers and old car buffs - and if nothing else changes the availability of the earlier API rated products and products labelled "for off-road-use-only" should not change in the near-term. The new API rated oils are meant for Joe Consumer and his cat-equipped grocery getter. > Bill regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Apr 9 16:35:22 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:35:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> So the latest API certification is sort of a step back in oil function for our applications. I can see where they would try to keep the EPA at bay. Looks as if the synthetics are not THE answer to all our problems. Thanks all for the input, Bill On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) "Robert M. Lang" writes: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, William G Rosenbach wrote: > > > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. > Hearing from > > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after > extended run > > time. > > I can't comment on this one. No direct experience. > > > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > > applications? > > okay - an important distinction is required here. The reduction of > ZPPD in > the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the > American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec with > reduced > ZDDP is API SM. > > Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating > the > reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I personally > have no > idea if this the case or not. > > So, if you want oil with ZDDP, look for oils graded API SG. Higher > than SG > (for example SM) API rating means reduced ZDDP. In the ones right > after SG > the reduction is smaller in some brands than others. > > Motorcycle oil and certain racing oils still have the ZDDP. The > terms that > are used like "illegal for street use" are marketing hyperbole. > > > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? > > It's important to understand that in the US, all cars have had cats > since > the mid-70's (please don't flame me about early 80's Hondas having > no > cats). The point is that the vast majority of on-the-road cars in > the US > have cats or were equipped with them from the factory. Any of these > catalyst equipped vehicles will have been effected by the presence > of the > ZDDP (and other stuff). The move to sell over the counter products > to > consumers is not aimed at us - that is racers and old car buffs - > and if > nothing else changes the availability of the earlier API rated > products > and products labelled "for off-road-use-only" should not change in > the > near-term. The new API rated oils are meant for Joe Consumer and > his > cat-equipped grocery getter. > > > Bill > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for > rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: > 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Apr 9 16:38:40 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: References: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <031201c77af7$d2597fa0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > okay - an important distinction is required here. The > reduction of ZPPD in > the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the > American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec > with reduced > ZDDP is API SM. > > Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating the > reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I > personally have no > idea if this the case or not. Just curious, Bob ... can you think of any other reason why the API would all of a sudden start specifying oil composition, rather than performance ? The EPA may not have mandated it directly but there is no doubt in my mind that's where this rule originated. If by no other means than the EPA's insistence that emission controls (like catalytic converters) should last the life of the car. They still want to weld our hoods shut. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 9 17:11:50 2007 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:11:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local><7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <004001c77afc$7450d430$6501a8c0@RTA> Finding and retrieving the P-38 "Glacier Girl" out of the Greenland Ice Cap Book: "The Lost Squadron" by David Hayes. This covers the first 11 years of search and extraction of aircraft from glacier (250' deep). History Channel Special: "The Hunt for the Lost Squadron." 70 min DVD. This covers the full 22 years including first flight. Note: The P-38 is in Chino preparing to fly to England this summer to complete the mission it started in 1942. I'm working on getting a friend's B-17, to fly escort on the mission. If I can make this happen I might get some serious B-17 left seat time. I've only flown a B-17 one time and I gotta tell you, it makes a DC-3 feel like a Bonanza. As hard as I would try, I could not get it to fly hands-off. Nor could my instructor. It is distractingly loud and control responses take a serious measure of patience. I cannot imagine what it would be like @ gross @ 35,000 ft....with bad guys in quick little Bf's using you for recommendations for Iron Crosses. Richard Taylor, -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:18 PM To: Bill Babcock; FOT Triumph; mgVR at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Books and books on tape At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody else: > >Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the art >of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great story >of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics to the >principles of military strategy. No kidding. > >Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation of >the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. > >Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A Bomb. >Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by Richard >Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from Road Atlanta a >couple of years ago. > >Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't remember >the title. Richard - Joe? Title? > >How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >civilized world at the time of Christ. > >Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >the sensation of driving a race car at speed. > >Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator funded >virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in Afganistan, >funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all through the back >channels of government, with never a vote and never an approval. Spent >a lot of the government's dough on himself and his lady friends, too. > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Apr 9 19:40:59 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay group...I'm going to add another variable to the formula. This past week I had two new flat tappet engines to break-in; an 87mm TR3 engine and a '69 Vette with a 383 stroker in a four bolt main block with roller rockers but a flat tappet cam. So I drive my happy butt to my Chevy dealer and buy two bottles ( 1 pint each) of EOS at $10.00 a pint. Has anyone else on the list read the instructions on the bottle? They tell you to pour the contents of the bottle over the bearings, cam, lifters, rockers, etc. They then throw into the equation that EOS is not to be used as an oil additive. HELLO, what did I just do? The only thing I can figure (sarcasm here folks) is that if I pour in the EOS first, then the oil, the EOS isn't an oil additive, the oil is an EOS additive! Are they trying to tell me not to use it during oil changes? Should I only run it during break-in? Are they only playing a terrible hoax on us meant to suck the cash from the pockets of simple minded people. ( I resemble the comment). Thanks - Ed Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. All oils, synthetic or otherwise, have Zn & P in them. Always have. Different brands have different additive packages, and thus provide different results. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Nothing has been made illegal. The EPA specifications for the named service levels have changed, and oil manufacturers that want to meet the latest service level (SM, or CJ-4 for diesels), are reducing the amount of Zn and P, as described at http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html Flat tappet engines want higher levels (at least 1000 ppm, perhaps at least 1200 ppm). So look for an oil that has that much. Or use GM's EOS to supplement the levels in the oil that you love. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Apr 9 20:04:11 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070410020238.B6DCF187A2F@autox.team.net> I'm sure they are assuming that it is being used in a modern, cat-equipped car. They don't want you to cook your cat by adding it to the oil with each change, I would assume. With the disclaimer, they are disavowing any responsibility for its use as an additive. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a good additive package, just that it's not the "intended" use. I'm somewhat intrigued by their recommendation to coat the cylinder walls with the stuff. I our cars, I suspect that the rings would have a hard time seating with that treatment. - Tony At 08:40 PM 4/9/2007, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: >Okay group...I'm going to add another variable to the formula. This >past week I had two new flat tappet engines to break-in; an 87mm TR3 >engine and a '69 Vette with a 383 stroker in a four bolt main block >with roller rockers but a flat tappet cam. So I drive my happy butt >to my Chevy dealer and buy two bottles ( 1 pint each) of EOS at >$10.00 a pint. Has anyone else on the list read the instructions on >the bottle? They tell you to pour the contents of the bottle over >the bearings, cam, lifters, rockers, etc. They then throw into the >equation that EOS is not to be used as an oil additive. HELLO, what >did I just do? The only thing I can figure (sarcasm here folks) is >that if I pour in the EOS first, then the oil, the EOS isn't an oil >additive, the oil is an EOS additive! Are they trying to tell me not >to use it during oil changes? Should I only run it during break-in? >Are they only playing a terrible hoax on us meant to suck the cash >from the pockets of simple minded people. ( > I resemble the comment). > Thanks - Ed From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Apr 9 21:02:02 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:02:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <000e01c77b1c$9d8fb490$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 Bidding has ended for this item Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. View larger picture Winning bid: US $3,952.00 Make no payments for 3 months Apply -------------------------------------------------------- Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT Shipping costs: Check item description and payment instructions Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of s.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of fa4c_2.JPG] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 9 21:29:34 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <461B049E.9030106@bradakis.com> If interested, April 21st at Bailey's we'll be having a tech session with the local Salt Lake area Redline Oil rep. I'm sure he'll be willing to chat with folks about their concerns, stop on by around 11 am. We're also having a swap meet and potluck picnic that day, so it should be a fun time. See you there! mjb. From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Apr 9 23:12:29 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:12:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c77b2e$d6e432e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Here's my suggestions. Joe Guinan ---------------------------------- Cars/Motorcycles? - "Zen and The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance", by Robert M. Pirsig - which is only about motorcycles on the surface. It's also about Philosophy, Rhetoric, a descent in to madness and climbing back out, and the qualities of being "square". History? - "The Orientalist" by Tom Reiss. About a wealthy Jewish young man born in Baku, Azerbaijan and covering the years leading up to WWII. While living in Germany, he escaped persecution and became a best selling author by pretending to be a Muslim Prince. Fairly quick read, and interesting slice of history from that part of the world and that time period. Sci/Fi - I always have to recommend Frank Herbert's stuff, and not the "Dune" works. "The Dosadi Experiment", "Whipping Star", "The Jesus Incident", and "Soul Catcher" are some I remember fondly. I still pick up some of Asimov's "I Robot" books on tape when I'm going on a long trip by myself. I learn something new every time I hear/read them. One of my favorites of all time - and one I try to get Sci/Fi newbies to read is "Enders Game" by Orson Scott Card. Short, fun, and somewhat of a mind blower. It made me read the entire Ender Saga and everything else he wrote, but nothing ever recreated the feeling of reading "Ender's Game" for the first time. How about Frank McCourt? "Angela's Ashes" was interesting. "Tis" must have been forgettable, as I have. I enjoyed "Teacher Man" - probably because I was one, once upon a time. Right now I'm slowly savoring "The Soul Of A Tree: A Master Woodworkers Reflections" by George Nakashima and "Nature Form & Spirit: The Life and Legacy of George Nakashima" by his daughter Mira Nakashima. George Nakashima was a great woodworker, artist, and architect. I can't afford his furniture, but I go to the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum in Chanhassen every couple of years just to see their collection of his stuff. Well, plus they have amazing displays of an amazing variety of plants, flowers, trees, and shrubs. Worth a visit if you are in the area. I don't know if some of these are available in any digital format. I wouldn't recommend simply listening to the books on/by Nakashima, as you'll want to see the photos and drawings. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Apr 10 04:25:38 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? References: <000e01c77b1c$9d8fb490$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <000f01c77b5a$960dfa40$0101a8c0@Davis> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "FOT List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > Bidding has ended for this item > > > > > > > > > > Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. > > > > > > > > > > > View larger picture > > > > Winning bid: US $3,952.00 > Make no payments for 3 months Apply > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT > Shipping costs: Check item description and payment > instructions > > > > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > rtCurve.gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > s.gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > fa4c_2.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 10 08:19:57 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:19:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: Amici... I have reported earlier that for the present, Bob Wismer and I have chosen to run VALVOLINE 'Not Street Legal!' Racing (Synthetic SAE 20W-50 Engine Oil). Bob just got back from Sebring and Savannah, where he used this oil. When we put my engine in the T-Bolt, his will come out, and we will 'check it over'. You don't get much track time at Sebring, but at Spring Savannah you get all you can handle. But Bob said an interesting thing is that he did not 'use' any oil on the trip. He did not have to add any. We used to run Mobil1, and it was not uncommon to add a half quart during an event. But our mechanic, Kevin Potter, says our machine shop (who is heavy into drag strip engines) say they are getting 'bad reports' on performance coming back from several clients who are using this oil. Obviously dragsters are going to be running at 12/10ths. Bob and I race at about 8/10ths. We continue to watch and listen... Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Apr 10 08:43:58 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:43:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070410.084400.-228273.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>>EOS is not to be used as an oil additive That would make it a Supplement then, wouldn't it. Sort of a Vitamin Z, for your engine's good health. Bill From jrhill at chorus.net Tue Apr 10 09:33:35 2007 From: jrhill at chorus.net (jrhill at chorus.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <20070410103335.CFYOF.11264.root@webfep12> Hmmm . . . 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who finished second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the winning bidder will have to pay. A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. Jim Hill ---- Bob Davis wrote: > I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "FOT List" > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > > > > Bidding has ended for this item > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > View larger picture > > > > > > > > Winning bid: US $3,952.00 > > Make no payments for 3 months Apply > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT > > Shipping costs: Check item description and payment > > instructions > > > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > > rtCurve.gif] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > > s.gif] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > > fa4c_2.JPG] > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Apr 10 09:58:24 2007 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:58:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hard top Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46405D7D4AB@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Its hard to believe that the top went for that figure, I have the factory original on my car, had somebody try to buy the whole car just to get the top a few years ago, thought they were joking, sure didn't think they would this kind of money. Sounds like the price of the cars is on the way up! In ten more years....well... it is a Triumph ! From tsheach at pba.co.uk Tue Apr 10 10:12:45 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:12:45 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There seems to be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever since they starter to hide the bidder names. Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! They are easy to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks ago. Don't get burnt on ebay! Rgds Tony -----Original Message----- From: jrhill at chorus.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Hmmm . . . 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who finished second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the winning bidder will have to pay. A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. Jim Hill ---- Bob Davis wrote: > I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "FOT List" > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > > > > Bidding has ended for this item From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 10 11:33:56 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75146A65-9569-4104-BB20-E3F74C036AA1@bnj.com> eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why the jury of your peers has to face you. Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > seems to > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > since they > starter to hide the bidder names. > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > They are easy > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > ago. > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > Rgds > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: jrhill at chorus.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > Hmmm . . . > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > finished > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > winning > bidder will have to pay. > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > Jim Hill > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "BOB KRAMER" >> To: "FOT List" >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? >> >> >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 >>> >>> >>> Bidding has ended for this item > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Apr 10 10:44:55 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:44:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? In-Reply-To: <75146A65-9569-4104-BB20-E3F74C036AA1@bnj.com> Message-ID: Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza delivery..............Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM >From: Bill Babcock >To: "tr4.tony at virgin.net" >CC: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 > >eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating >merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. >Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to >blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, >probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people >think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, >but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why >the jury of your peers has to face you. > >Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it >virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction >hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some >remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his >address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of >my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > >On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > > > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > > seems to > > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > > since they > > starter to hide the bidder names. > > > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > > They are easy > > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > > ago. > > > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > > > Rgds > > > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jrhill at chorus.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > Hmmm . . . > > > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > > finished > > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > > winning > > bidder will have to pay. > > > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > > > Jim Hill > > > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: > >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "BOB KRAMER" > >> To: "FOT List" > >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > >> > >> > >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > >>> > >>> > >>> Bidding has ended for this item > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 11:00:45 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Devin Body for less than a FIber Glass Top Message-ID: <367147.80366.qm@web90313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a line on a Devin body out of the original mold but recently cast. I have been hoarding the info dreaming of doing something with it but I have too many projects just now so let me know if you are interested. I had him down to $3500 and it is still available as of today - its just a shell with doors boot and bonnet - absolutely no innerds. Its in Calif... Sigh... M --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 14:28:02 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:28:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph show at Brooklands Message-ID: I will be traveling to England later this month, and my wife has agreed to let me do one car thing. I was planning on going to Gaydon, but recently learned that it is closed until late May. I did see that there is a show at Brooklands on 22 April. Any of our UK members going to that event. I realize that it is a show rather than a competition, but... I'll be driving down from Suffolk. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 14:58:40 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:58:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd love to head out there, but I will have been out of town the previous two weekends and will be at Grattan 2 of the following 3 weekends. Plus the Formula SAE is in there as well. Racing season comes and I end up away from home most weekends. Doesn't make her indoors very happy. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:52 AM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: rpm724 at charter.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Tim, I'll be there, though no Triumph this time. I will be continuing my quest to learn how in the heck to drive the Ginetta G-15. The 998cc of rear-engine and 1100 pounds of weight make for a car that needs to be driven just about exactly opposite of a TR4! I am leading the open-wheel group again this year at the drivers school as well as conducting the Thursday night classroom session. Looks like it's shaping up to be a big school this year. I look forward to seeing you there. John Houlton ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bfeken at copper.net Tue Apr 10 15:48:53 2007 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:48:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need a used diff Message-ID: <000901c77bba$09a8a810$7dc464d0@keng> A customer of BFE needs to buy a used TR-3 diff unit Call KIRK CHESNEY 5455 Corporate DR #103 TROY MI 48098 248-408-2182 Ken Gillanders British Frame & Engine From bfeken at copper.net Tue Apr 10 16:24:25 2007 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:24:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Diff Message-ID: <004201c77bbf$001f4dd0$7dc464d0@keng> I have a customer that needs a used TR3a diff If interested call KIRK cHESNEY 248-408-2182 ken Gillanders From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Apr 10 17:53:14 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:53:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <041020072353.20484.461C236A0005B89C000050042207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Henry Morrison" > Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I > always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza > delivery.............. Is your refrigerator running? Hope you can catch it. Do you have Phillip Morris in a box? Better let him out. Somehow, I can see you doing this Henry. I did. Irv Korey From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 10 18:16:51 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:16:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... Message-ID: Ernie sent me in the direction of Bill Bryson, ex-patriot from Des Moines, Iowa. Hardly Pulitzer Price material, but light humor that entertains. 'A Walk in The Woods' 'The Life & Times of the Thunderbolt Kid' etc. Joe (A) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 10 20:06:31 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:06:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Diff Message-ID: I've got a whole shelf full of rear axles. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 10 20:22:18 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:22:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Diff (TR4) References: Message-ID: <004d01c77be0$3aaee660$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> While we're at it, I've got a complete TR4 rear axle assy I'd like to give away. Philadelphia area . . . I hate to junk it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Diff > I've got a whole shelf full of rear axles. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 21:50:54 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:50:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: ZDDP? Message-ID: <002301c77bec$9c3c8a20$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Got the straight scoop from Redline today, good to see they still have the good stuff in the racing and regular oils. Even though its $10 a quart! Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- Gary, Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, we still have zinc and more importantly phosphorus in our oils, both the motor oil and the race oil, sufficient for flat tappet cam shaft protection. Our current motor oil contains 1230 ppm zinc and 1100 ppm phosphorus. The MSDS you are looking at is from the Race Oil I believe, those oils contain 2500 ppm zinc, 2400 ppm phosphorus. Regards, Dave Red Line Oil From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Tue Apr 10 22:44:14 2007 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:44:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] EOS & Mobile 1 Message-ID: <461C679E.4010503@cyberspeedway.net> Group, We ran Mobil 1 in the TR6 from about 1987 on and added EOS with every oil change. We never had a cam or lifter problem running beyond .530 lift and stock diameter lifters. If you read Smokey Yunick's book he recommended EOS to add ZDDP for cam protection. If anybody has any connections with a current Cup engine builder they should know about current oils because they still require flat tappet cams and they run some extreme pressures over the nose. Their valve spring rates sound like front spring rates to us. They do run some exotic cam & lifter alloys though. If you are running a Spitfire or TR6 make sure the cam grinder knows how to deal with our small diameter lifters. You can't just run a small block Chevy acceleration ramp which is what most grinders want to do. After all, if you're not racing a Chevy or Ford you're just not a serious racer. Evidence of the wrong ramp are rounded corners of the bottom of the lifters and "wiping" of the opening sides of the lobe. Greg Lund From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 11 00:51:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:51:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32B1668B-D969-4E04-8F36-F5AA0884947D@bnj.com> I don't know if I'd call him an ex-patriot even given his lefty learnings, perhaps expatriate, and I understand the price for a Pulizer is pretty high. You must have gotten into the Pinot this evening. Anyway, I like Bill Bryson even if he does tend to whinge a bit. I've read most of his books. He did a really good one on science called "A Short History of Everything" that's particularly good on tape, he does the narration. A Walk in the Woods" is indeed a good read. So is "Notes From a Small Country". I haven't read the "thunderbolt Kid. I'll add it to the list, and maybe a couple of others from him Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:16 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Ernie sent me in the direction of Bill Bryson, ex-patriot from Des > Moines, > Iowa. > > Hardly Pulitzer Price material, but light humor that entertains. > > 'A Walk in The Woods' > > 'The Life & Times of the Thunderbolt Kid' > > etc. > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 11 05:55:03 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:55:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... Message-ID: Yes, 'expatriate'...no Pinot, just past my bedtime. But, I suspect Bryson found England a calmer place to live in the 60s. A 'Short History of Everything' is likely his best, is an award winner, and it is on my list. He narrates The Thunderbolt Kid...done well. Dentinger & Wismer will enjoy this one, just with the oblique reference to Thunderbolt. I have the book wrapped to send to them...if I ever get around to it. Joe (A) > I don't know if I'd call him an ex-patriot even given his lefty learnings, > perhaps expatriate, and I understand the price for a Pulizer is pretty high. > You must have gotten into the Pinot this evening. Anyway, I like Bill Bryson > even if he does tend to whinge a bit. I've read most of his books. He did a > really good one on science called "A Short History of Everything" that's > particularly good on tape, he does the narration. A Walk in the Woods" is indeed > a good read. So is "Notes From a Small Country". I haven't read the > "thunderbolt Kid. I'll add it to the list, and maybe a couple of others from him > Bill Babcock > > From spitlist at cox.net Wed Apr 11 11:22:14 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator Message-ID: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Apr 11 11:59:31 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:59:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: Sounds like he was born with the right genes....yes. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: April 11, 2007 1:22 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Apr 11 11:51:31 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Front corner valences needed for mkiv/1500 Message-ID: As the race car has had them stripped off I need to replace them as there is some questionableness in the SCCA rules as to whether they count as fenders or valences. As a precaution I'd like to replace them. What I need is the corner valence for the left and right and any mounting bracketry that is associated. I think I have a grill somewhere...are there any other metal pieces that stretch accross from the left to the right? Condition is almost irrelevant as I will lighten them anyways. any help greatly appreciated aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Il region SCCA 317-260-8098 (mobile) From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 11 12:04:24 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Joe Curry wrote: > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join > FOT? Def.! I'll second or third. The car's got a bit of history, doesn't it? rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 11 12:11:22 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:11:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator Message-ID: In a message dated 04/11/2007 1:07:13 PM Central Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that > the > > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might > be > > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail > of > > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone > who > > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > > > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to > join > > FOT? > > Def.! I'll second or third. > > The car's got a bit of history, doesn't it? > Absolutely! Those guys from Down Under are racers. We've raced with some of them at vintage events down through the years. They know how to party too! Did you know that when they spin, they go counter-clockwise? Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 11 12:52:50 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:52:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> Hey, now there's some provenance for ya. With apologies in advance to Kas and the Bill Ames's of our marque, this sounds about as close to a royal bloodline as any Triumph is ever going to get, so how can we not include the chap. I'd love to see pictures of the whole car if they are available. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 11 15:36:56 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: A single seater race car with a Herald suspension - that definitely sounds like "our sort of people"! At 01:22 PM 4/11/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the >attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be >interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of >the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who >wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > >Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join >FOT? > >Joe C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Herrick" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM >Subject: Camber Compensator > > > > Hi, > > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > > this issue. > > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > > seems to be the answer to my problems. > > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > > Regards > > Roger Herrick > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream >which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 11 17:10:38 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:10:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen Message-ID: Amici, Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 11 17:19:03 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:19:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen Message-ID: Steve. Since the windscreen is the same on the TR4-6, I suspect that Ted Schumacher's offering may fit the Spit. Joe (A) > Amici, > Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of > the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. > Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be > the only > one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone > and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve > > From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 11 17:21:45 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Amici, > Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of > the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. > Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only > one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone > and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve Ted Schumacher sells them. They're referred to as "Group 44 windscreen" I have a used one that I can't use (unless I build another race car). My new cage has the front hoop extending about a tube-width above the cowl. Not exactly vintage, but SCCA will let me play for sure. This cage is def. "GRC legal". And then some. I feel like a freakin' midget when I look at the "tower of pipes" above my head. Ooops. I think I need my meds again. :-) Seriously, see Ted the man or copy my off list. FWIW, mine has a small crack in it. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 18:22:33 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:22:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >A single seater race car with a Herald suspension - that >definitely sounds like "our sort of people"! Hmmm... Sounds like Formula Triumph. Maybe it wasn't a hoax after all. John From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 11 18:28:42 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (kaskas at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:28:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <31393629.1176337722678.JavaMail.root@fed1wml17> How about the people owho access your answering machine tape and ,listen to your messges because you failed to put in an access code.Weirdos. ---- Henry Morrison wrote: > Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I > always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza > delivery..............Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM > > > >From: Bill Babcock > >To: "tr4.tony at virgin.net" > >CC: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 > > > >eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating > >merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. > >Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to > >blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, > >probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people > >think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, > >but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why > >the jury of your peers has to face you. > > > >Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it > >virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction > >hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some > >remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his > >address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of > >my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. > > > >Bill Babcock > >billb at bnj.com > >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > > >You can subscribe to my Blogs > >Via email: > >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > >Sub=168304 > > > >or Via RSS > >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > > > > >On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > > > > > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > > > seems to > > > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > > > since they > > > starter to hide the bidder names. > > > > > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > > > They are easy > > > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > > > ago. > > > > > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > > > > > Rgds > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jrhill at chorus.net > > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > > > Hmmm . . . > > > > > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > > > finished > > > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > > > winning > > > bidder will have to pay. > > > > > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > > > > > Jim Hill > > > > > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: > > >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "BOB KRAMER" > > >> To: "FOT List" > > >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > > >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > >> > > >> > > >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Bidding has ended for this item > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >_______________________________________________ > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 12 09:32:31 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:32:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Single Seat Race Car with Herald Rear suspension Message-ID: <004301c77d17$c9359400$84fea8c0@shop> I received a reply from the owner and he said that he is interested in being a member of FOT. So with the seconds and thirds I got yesterday, I need to have him added to the list. I have also requested additional photos of the entire car and hepefully he will send some. His name is Roger Herrick and his email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz Here is an excerpt from his reply: "I would be happy to join the FOT list - I suppose there are not too many cars with a Herald component that have association with two F1 drivers (and constructors). The car ran a Herald front suspension at one stage but is now in it's 1960 form with a split beam Ford 10 axle set up. Kind regards Roger" Cheers, Joe C From dave at microworks.net Sat Apr 14 02:10:18 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:10:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Some TR Videos Message-ID: <20070414082042.NNIN1266.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I recently updated the DCTRA Website (http://www.dctra.org). DCTRA is the TR Club in the Phoenix area. On the Galleries Page (accessible from the menu at the top are two on board videos from my TR3. The top is a drive in the dsert and the bottom video is a lap at (no audio) at Firebird Main. You can see Mark Weathers in his TR-6 pass me on the front straight. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 16 10:16:00 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:16:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How festive Message-ID: <4623A140.1080600@bradakis.com> Yet another chapter in the continuing saga of keeping Team.Net alive and well. Sheesh. More later. mjb. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Mon Apr 16 10:11:36 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:11:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Message-ID: Joes The last email received at this address from an _fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) was 4/11/2006. Is my AOL interferring with my receiving of emails or is the server host having challenges again ? Cary ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 16 07:29:54 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:29:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] One good 15x4-1/2 - 60 spoke wire wheel wanted References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local><7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7802b$528b2bf0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Some of you may question my use of the word "good" in the context of a wire wheel, but it's for a street car. I need one that is not significantly corroded that I can sandblast and repaint. They seem to rust on the inside of the rim where the water comes in via the spokes. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Bill Babcock" ; "FOT Triumph" ; Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books and books on tape > At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >>Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody >>else: >> >>Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >>the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the >>art of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great >>story of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics >>to the principles of military strategy. No kidding. >> >>Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation >>of the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. >> >>Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A >>Bomb. Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by >>Richard Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from >>Road Atlanta a couple of years ago. >> >>Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >>Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't >>remember the title. Richard - Joe? Title? >> >>How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >>interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >>civilized world at the time of Christ. >> >>Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >>read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >>the sensation of driving a race car at speed. >> >>Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator >>funded virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in >>Afganistan, funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all >>through the back channels of government, with never a vote and never >>an approval. Spent a lot of the government's dough on himself and >>his lady friends, too. >> > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Apr 13 05:42:27 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen References: Message-ID: <461F6CA3.9070705@bright.net> Steve, we make these windscreens. Basically a copy of the original Mueller windscreen. They are listed on our website. Ted Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: >Amici, >Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of >the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. >Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only >one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone >and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve > > > >************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 14 01:10:02 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:10:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> Message-ID: <4A6A8DD4-6817-4ED8-AB3C-0E17F5D0CA26@bnj.com> Hello testing...testing. Is this mike on...? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:52 AM, David Talbott wrote: > Hey, now there's some provenance for ya. With apologies in advance > to Kas and > the Bill Ames's of our marque, this sounds about as close to a > royal bloodline > as any Triumph is ever going to get, so how can we not include the > chap. I'd > love to see pictures of the whole car if they are available. > > Dave > > David Talbott, President > Architectural Reproductions, Inc. > Portland, Oregon > Toll Free (888) 440-8007 > www.archrepro.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:22 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator > > > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize > that the > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of > you might be > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only > a detail > of > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to > anyone > who > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from > the guy. > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be > invited to > join > FOT? > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herrick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM > Subject: Camber Compensator > > >> Hi, >> I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will >> solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. >> The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little >> different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New >> Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt >> in 1956 >> after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first >> race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but >> still has >> many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it >> acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original >> specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It >> suffers >> from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to >> solve >> this issue. >> I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it >> seems to be the answer to my problems. >> Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non >> urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA >> payment. >> Regards >> Roger Herrick >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > - > ---- > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet- > stream which > had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Apr 13 17:47:30 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:47:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] EOS & Mobile 1 Message-ID: <20070413.164825.375.2461603@webmail50.nyc.untd.com> Joe Gibbs Oils are used in Cup cars and are made specifically for flat tappet motors. -- greg wrote: Group, We ran Mobil 1 in the TR6 from about 1987 on and added EOS with every oil change. We never had a cam or lifter problem running beyond .530 lift and stock diameter lifters. If you read Smokey Yunick's book he recommended EOS to add ZDDP for cam protection. If anybody has any connections with a current Cup engine builder they should know about current oils because they still require flat tappet cams and they run some extreme pressures over the nose. Their valve spring rates sound like front spring rates to us. They do run some exotic cam & lifter alloys though. If you are running a Spitfire or TR6 make sure the cam grinder knows how to deal with our small diameter lifters. You can't just run a small block Chevy acceleration ramp which is what most grinders want to do. After all, if you're not racing a Chevy or Ford you're just not a serious racer. Evidence of the wrong ramp are rounded corners of the bottom of the lifters and "wiping" of the opening sides of the lobe. Greg Lund _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 16 17:10:53 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? Message-ID: <000501c7807c$7ca3ad30$4101a8c0@ZAP> Does anybody have an extra set of Spitfire wheels they could part with? Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 16 16:18:47 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:18:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? In-Reply-To: <000501c7807c$7ca3ad30$4101a8c0@ZAP> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7441A178@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've got a set of Cosmics, a set of (magnesium?) Minilites and a set of widened steel wheels. All of which I could part with. I'm not sure that the Minilites are magnesium -- they're that dull grey color where they're not painted blue. If they are magnesium, I'd be really reluctant to put them on a race car (or maybe ANY car) without some serious inspection first (and continuing inspection thereafter). Photos attached (which will be stripped from the FOT copy). Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert D. MacKenzie Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? Does anybody have an extra set of Spitfire wheels they could part with? Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of No. 22 White Parts 010.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of No. 22 White Parts 024.jpg] From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 23:41:22 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:41:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: ZDDP? - follow-on question Message-ID: <00f001c780b3$08f42db0$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Amici, Leon raised a couple more interesting questions about moly content in RedLine oil and the differences between their race and street oil. Here is their response. Regards, Gary Schneider 37 EP TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Granquist" To: "Gary & Gretchen" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Re: ZDDP? - foolow-on question > >Dave, >>Thanks again for the quick and helpful response on my question a week ago. >>A gent on our Triumph racing list asked a couple more technical questions >>if I could request your assistance again. >> >>In addition to zinc/phosphorus levels, are there other differences between >>your Racing oil and the non-Racing? Probably less detergent? >> >>What is the amount of moly in both types? Apparently there is suspicion >>some oil filters don't like a lot of moly. >> >>Thanks again and best regards, >>Gary >> > > Gary, > > Glad I could help. The Race Oils have very little detergent, that is the > biggest difference between the two oils. The Race Oil is optimized for > race use so has a different additive package. The moly is the same in the > Race and Motor oils, 950 ppm. Unless the filter is a very small sub micron > bypass type, I wouldn't expect an issue with the moly present in our oil, > it is small enough to pass through most filters. > > Regards, Dave > Red Line Oil From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 17 06:24:27 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:24:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race report - VDCA @ VIR Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EBE@server.Triumph.local> The fifth annual Wild Hare Run ran last weekend, and we were well represented in both closed wheel run groups. The Spitfires of Rob Stewart, Tim Slater and Freddy Danovitz plus the TR's of George Wright, Alan Pinel, Dennis DeLap, Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton, Gene Hammer, Mark Wheatley, and me. Apologies to whomever I am forgetting. The weather was far from ideal for a couple sessions, but thanks to a schedule loaded with track time we still got more dry track time than some groups can offer in a whole weekend. The Wild Hare race is done on Friday afternoon after we get worn out running our normal 3 practice sessions. So for the fourth time of the day we don the nomex and go to the grid. Cars are lined up slowest first, and with stopwatch in hand, released at the precise time that would allow, should all cars do 6 laps at exactly their best lap time, they would cross the finish line at the same time. Sandbaggers can't win, and the winner is usually somebody who starts in the first 15 slots or so. Any further back than that would require some outrageous luck to get through traffic. Anyway, the proud winner of the Wild Hare Run was no other than our own Dennis DeLap! We know he will covet the, ahem, trophy. For the past couple years the second place trophy has been donated by a generous VDCA member with an active imagination, and has gained the reputation to be coveted even more than the, ahem, trophy for first. This years second place trophy was absolutely up to par, a section of a Hoosier tire on a plaque running over a hare. Second place went to no other than Charlie Kates. You long time Triumph racers and fans may remember him and his TR4 and the legendary battles with Mike Jackson in his TR3. Charlie got away from racing 17 years ago, and decided last year it's time to get back in the fray. He bought a Lotus 7 and is in process of finding the handle. One of the truly coolest parts of the weekend was being paddocked with Mark Wheatley, who runs Charlie's old TR4. To see Charlie reunited with his old car was quite a treat. Journalist and certified ride mooch Burt Levy was in attendance gathering intel for a story, so watch the usual places to see what he has to say. If you have been paying attention on this list there was a little race within a race, something to do with a lady pushing a tea cart and Fat Bastard Wine. There was a committee involved, I was not a part of it, and I defer to said committee to fill in the details. Leo, Don, Dean, the floor is yours... Guys, I know I am sounding like a broken record, but I will say it again. If you are within striking distance of a VDCA event, it will be worth the tow. Race Director Mike Jackson and his board of directors have put together something pretty special. Until next time! From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Apr 17 08:27:33 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:27:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod orientation Message-ID: Amici, a basic question...does anyone make any efforts to orient the big end of the rod in any particular fashion? Whether it be bearing tang against the rotation or with crank rotation? I've never seen it mentioned but I was pondering that detail. I know if your bearing crush allows the bearing to slip you've already lost the game and thusly it shouldn't make any difference but nonetheless, anybody ever think about this? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:27:11 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 15:38:44 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:38:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that transmission. Ah, well. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can > anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? > > Send instant messages to your online friends http:// > au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 17 14:45:53 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:52:59 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <205262.15972.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Robert, Any idea of the cost od the Jericho setup it sounds good. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert M. Lang To: Jim Cun Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 6:45:53 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:56:26 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bill, Which brand did you use? Sounds like it is the way to go not cheap. Would really like a sequential dog box for racing but I don't think this is in the rules. Thanks Bill ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Babcock To: Jim Cun Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 7:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that transmission. Ah, well. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: Hi, I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Apr 17 15:21:32 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:21:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod orientation Message-ID: Hmmm, I was thinking about Carrillo rods here and not the slant cut stock rods. I haven't built a stock motor in so long I forgot about the slant cut. Steve Amici, a basic question...does anyone make any efforts to orient the big end of the rod in any particular fashion? Whether it be bearing tang against the rotation or with crank rotation? I've never seen it mentioned but I was pondering that detail. I know if your bearing crush allows the bearing to slip you've already lost the game and thusly it shouldn't make any difference but nonetheless, anybody ever think about this? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 15:50:41 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill Hart [of the "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's Ferrari to run around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and everything being for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap price of things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic dollars! Chuck On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > Robert: > > That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it with my > better half. > > "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority that my > hobby is cheaper than a boat." > > Yeah. That feels pretty good. > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] > Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM > To: Navarrette, Vance > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > > > > I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not > > unreasonable for a complete restoration. > > Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. > > > Vance > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net or > try > === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool > === Other lists available at > === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > === Edit your replies! > -- Chuck Arnold From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Apr 17 16:03:07 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:03:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values References: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The problem with horses is that they use as much fuel at idle as they do at full throttle... and they idle all the time. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Navarrette, Vance ; Friends Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill Hart [of the "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's Ferrari to run around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and everything being for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap price of things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic dollars! Chuck On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance > wrote: > > Robert: > > That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it with my > better half. > > "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority that my > hobby is cheaper than a boat." > > Yeah. That feels pretty good. > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] > Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM > To: Navarrette, Vance > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > > > > I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not > > unreasonable for a complete restoration. > > Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. > > > Vance > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net or > try > === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool > === Other lists available at > === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > === Edit your replies! > -- Chuck Arnold _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Tue Apr 17 17:05:19 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox housing.....not that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate sized Hewland gearsets for your horsepower range and your set. Lots of other detais to work out as well, but not too terrible. Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Spitfire racer -----Original Message----- From: lang at isis.mit.edu To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Apr 17 17:12:20 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:12:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Message-ID: <004301c78145$d9ccc270$6501a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey guys here is a great video of the ill-fated 1955 race. Lots of TR sightings!! Three TR2s started and three finished! Mike Hawthorne and Ivan Bueb won the race in a Jaguar. Very neat! http://www.sportscarmarket.com/inmotion/ If this link doesn't go through the list, go to YouTube and search for 1955 LeMans. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 19:32:03 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:32:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used the Quaife. Got it from Cambridge motorsports. Not cheap at all, especially now with the pound being so strong. Sequential boxes are nice--it's what I had in my Radical, though of course it was a motorcycle transmission. I do actually like H pattern better because you can pick the gear you want rather than going down through a couple and hoping you counted right. Just a geezer preference though I suspect. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > Bill, > Which brand did you use? Sounds like it is the way to go not > cheap. Would really like a sequential dog box for racing but I > don't think this is in the rules. > Thanks Bill > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill Babcock > To: Jim Cun > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 7:38:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box > > Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no > side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and > they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. > I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except > for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the > bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at > about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that > transmission. Ah, well. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American > tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can >> anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends http:// >> au.messenger.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http:// > au.messenger.yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 19:34:51 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:34:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Billy is such a great guy. I've never seen him drive any of the expensive toys in the collection. When you go into their pits Bill always looks like the hired help. Tony Garmey even dresses nicer than he does. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill > Hart [of the > "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's > Ferrari to run > around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and > everything being > for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap > price of > things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic > dollars! > Chuck > > On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance wrote: >> >> Robert: >> >> That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it >> with my >> better half. >> >> "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority >> that my >> hobby is cheaper than a boat." >> >> Yeah. That feels pretty good. >> >> Vance >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] >> Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM >> To: Navarrette, Vance >> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values >> >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: >> >> >> >>> I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not >>> unreasonable for a complete restoration. >> >> Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. >> >>> Vance >> >> regards, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> ------ >> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> ------ >> >> Your messages not reaching the list? >> Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html >> >> === Help keep Team.Net on the air >> === http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> === unsubscribe/change address requests to >> majordomo at autox.team.net or >> try >> === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool >> === Other lists available at >> === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo >> === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> === http://www.team.net/the-local >> === Edit your replies! >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 17 19:28:10 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:28:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values Message-ID: In a message dated 4/17/2007 7:58:27 PM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap > price of > things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic > dollars! > Chuck Like the two year old Mineshaft filly, who just sold at the Keeneland Spring Sale for 1.75 Million (a new record for a filly). Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Apr 17 20:11:33 2007 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:11:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Message-ID: Sounds like the video is pirated from the Standard-Triumph one that shows the crash only as a pillar of smoke. Bueb is a Welshman not a Russian - first name is Ivor No final "e" on Hawthorn. TR2s finished 14th, 15th and 19th in '55. Mike Cook ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Snook Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Hey guys here is a great video of the ill-fated 1955 race. Lots of TR sightings!! Three TR2s started and three finished! Mike Hawthorne and Ivan Bueb won the race in a Jaguar. Very neat! http://www.sportscarmarket.com/inmotion/ If this link doesn't go through the list, go to YouTube and search for 1955 LeMans. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 20:30:01 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Ok, folks young and old one and all. Here is the scoop for the Autocross taking place at Road America May 19th in conjunction with the MOTRAH 007 Vintage Race event. It is open to all Morgan, Triumph, and Austin Healey vehicles from bone stock to full race. You will run with similar prepared cars. It should be a blast so if you want to participate get your registration in because there are a limited number of slots available. See you there, Marty Sukey MOTRAH Autocross Registration Plans are being finalized for the MOTRAH Autocross on Saturday, May 19th. We are now ready to begin accepting registrations from Morgan, Triumph and Austin Healey drivers for this event. The Autocross will be run from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm on the Briggs and Stratton Motorplex at Road America and is being organized by the members of Windy City Morgan Owners Group, Chicago's Morgan club. Due to time and capacity constraints, it may be necessary to limit the number of entries so it is important that you register now to guarantee a spot. From now until May 6, 2007, an early registration period will be held. During this period, the first 25 registrations for each marque (total of 75) will be guaranteed a place in the Autocross. Beginning May7, 2007 and continuing through May 18, 2007, registration will be on a first come basis regardless of marque until all available Autocross spots are filled. In order to register, e-mail or telephone Steve Balsamo at Windy City MOG [ sdbalsamo at aol.com, (847) 242-0717 ] stating name, address and type of car. This notification will hold your place in the event. You will then be sent a registration package including Rules, class structure and a registration form. This should be completed and returned to Steve at P.O. Box 210, Glencoe, Illinois 60022. There is no entry fee for the event. If you have a Healey, Triumph or Morgan you are welcome as our guest. Prizes and operating costs are being covered by Windy City MOG. If you have any questions regarding the Autocross, please feel free to contact Steve Balsamo as outlined above. _________________________________________________________________ Dont quit your job  Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 From KLynch7589 at aol.com Tue Apr 17 21:32:51 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:32:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: MG jokes 101 Message-ID: Enjoy! Kev Lynch RMVR ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9a3462582f21e6; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:31:23 -0400 Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME027-9a3462582f21e6; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:31:15 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.232.207.191.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.207.191]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HdzvF-0006p3-00; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:29:29 -0400 X-Sender: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:25:38 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (Richard Feibusch) Subject: MG jokes 101 X-AOL-IP: 207.69.195.65 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain - - A blonde pushes her MG into a gas station and tells the mechanic, "It just quit on me!" He tells her to open the bonnet and then unscrews the float cover and sees that it is filled with silt. - - The blond asks, "What's the story?" " Oh, Just crap in the carburetor," he replies. "And how often do I have to do that?" she asks. - - Q. What do you call the shock absorbers inside an MG? A. Passengers. - - Two guys in an MG were arrested last night in London following a push-by shooting incident. - - The new MG has an airbag. so when you sense an impending accident, start pumping real fast. - - A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a petrol cap for my MG." The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade." submitted by John Voelcker [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of MG_-_Blond.jpg" ; x-mac-type="4A504547" ; x-mac-creator="4A565752] From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Tue Apr 17 23:10:59 2007 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4625A863.7060001@cyberspeedway.net> Jim, We ran a Jerico mag case gearbox for 6 seasons in SCCA National competition and never had a lick of trouble. It cut lap times about .7 seconds at most tracks. If I were doing it from scratch today, I would get the thinner (lighter weight) qualifying gears as they are still bigger than we need for a 6. The mag case Jerico is only about 12 pounds heavier than the stock 6 box. We ran a 1.76-1 first and found it was near perfect for all the tracks we ran. PIR, FIRP, Willow, Buttonwillow, Holtville, Mid Ohio. The downside of the side shifter style of American 4 speeds is the room the shifter takes up. It intrudes on the left side of the tunnel and will be a problem unless you can move the driver seat to the left. I would look at rotating the gearbox so the shifter was further toward the top. The Mid Valley Engineering shifter is set up to mount on a Jerico or Tex Racing T101 that has been rotated 90 degrees (as viewed from the rear) so the shifter rods are on top. Greg Lund Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From simon at telephonestogo.ca Wed Apr 18 07:15:01 2007 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:15:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans video Message-ID: <045f01c781bb$9266da30$3464a8c0@SIMON> Actually Ivor bueb, nicknamed "Ivor the Driver", I think this is one of the Standard Triumph PR films narrated by the late Raymond Baxter, whose mellifluous voice graced many similar documentaries over the years. I have VHS copies of several, so I think they are still available. Simon. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 18 07:53:19 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox > housing.....not that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate > sized Hewland gearsets for your horsepower range and your set. Lots > of other detais to work out as well, but not too terrible. Great idea. However, I'm not certain that the big TR gearbox shafts are spaced the same as Spitfire. If anyone knows better, fire away - we'd love to know. > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire racer regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From triosan at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 09:21:43 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:21:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0704180821r40139970w37bebae816f78a98@mail.gmail.com> Now that is a topic I would like a lot more information about! On 4/17/07, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > > Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox housing.....not > that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate sized Hewland gearsets > for your horsepower range and your set. Lots of other detais to work out as > well, but not too terrible. > > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire racer > > -----Original Message----- > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box > > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > > > Hi, > > Hi. > > > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > > give me their experience with this type of set up? > > My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should > def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR > gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife > and nothing. > > Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you > don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you > initially set up the box. > > And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms > of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in > excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. > So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and > labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. > > The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias > used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled > it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). > > But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". > Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant > up-shifts. > > argh Argh ARGH. > > rml > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 18 10:09:05 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] LeMans video Message-ID: In a message dated 04/18/2007 10:41:24 AM Central Daylight Time, simon at telephonestogo.ca writes: > I think this is one of the Standard Triumph PR films narrated by the late > Raymond Baxter, whose mellifluous voice graced many similar documentaries > over > Ah yes, and when Sir Peter Ustinov does his Grand Prix of Gibraltar, Raymond Baxter becomes Roland Thaxter, and Stirling Moss becomes Girling Foss, and on and on. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 18 18:29:41 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Line-boring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <256537.97659.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? Thanks Dennis b.t.w. - if you are ever looking for an early spring event, or if VIR is on your list of tracks to race - Mike Jackson's VDCA event is a must do. Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Apr 18 19:37:16 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:37:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Videos Message-ID: <4626C7CC.8060602@verizon.net> Here are a couple of fun videos. No Triumph content but still fun. I wanna Ferrari...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25M_XEf-o38 Basic auto mechanics....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfFRQ-StpwA Cheers, Kurt Oblinger From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Apr 18 20:10:35 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:10:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] Line-boring Message-ID: <20070418.191125.18248.2505921@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Both of my race blocks have been align honed, not bored. Change was not enough that I had to modify the BFE rear seal halves. Joe(B) -- Dennis DeLap wrote: Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? Thanks Dennis b.t.w. - if you are ever looking for an early spring event, or if VIR is on your list of tracks to race - Mike Jackson's VDCA event is a must do. Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From Fubog1 at aol.com Thu Apr 19 05:48:49 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:48:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Line-boring Message-ID: In a message dated 4/18/2007 8:30:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? For an all out race engine it's SOP as part of squaring up the block but it shouldn't be done indiscriminately. The housing bore has to be measured &, depending on size, it may need to be honed or bored back to spec. Manufacturers usually have a range of about 6/10 tolerance, it's best to put it on the snug side for good bearing shell grip. If it measures OK & the crank turns freely, it's most likely OK. The surface finish of the housing bore is critical also, it needs to be smooth so it makes good contact with the back of the shell. Pronounced black "streaks" or burnishing on the back of the old shells usually indicates a problem with the housing bore. You might have to remove a SLIGHT bit of material from the parting faces of the seal housing or turn down the OD of the seal housing SLIGHTLY, so it doesn't keep the main cap from seating properly, depending on finished size of seal housing register. If the housing bore is done properly, it won't change the crank center by more than a couple thou. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 19 15:21:39 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? Jim Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 19 15:32:14 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:32:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c782ca$32861080$84fea8c0@shop> I have used Unobtanium Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cun" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > Hi > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > > Jim > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 19 15:36:05 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <905709.95645.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good one Joe.... ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Curry To: Jim Cun ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, 20 April, 2007 7:32:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods I have used Unobtanium Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cun" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > Hi > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > > Jim > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From dave at microworks.net Thu Apr 19 15:37:52 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:37:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphest Oct 11 - 14 2007 in Laughlin Now Accepting Registrations Message-ID: <20070419214022.QRGK1218.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Come join us for Casino Royale - Triumphest 2007 to be held at The River Palms Resort and Casino, Laughlin, Nevada October 11th thru October 14th Registration is now open and you can register online or download the registration form at http://www.triumphest.com/ Check out the website and see videos for the car lift that you can buy raffle tickets for. We will have a new one shipped to your home at no cost (as long as you're in the US). You can use the registration form to order just regalia and raffle tickets if you can't attend the event. You can even pay using PayPal. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:32 AM From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Apr 19 16:51:05 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:51:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Trophy Winner Announcement Message-ID: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-path: From: LOddTR at aol.com Full-name: LOddTR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:10:25 EDT Subject: F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Trophy Winner Announcement To: fot-owner at autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5065 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain The First Annual Triumph Bash, April Spring Tune-up And Race Days was a smash hit at VIR last weekend. As Henry Frye reported, the fabulous weather Friday and Saturday provided great racing for the 12 Triumphs entered. As previously announced, a group of rebellious TR pilots provided Triumph-only parties and a special trophy for a Triumph participating in the Wild Hare Run. Based on an elaborate scoring system that took into account the driver's finishing position, age, and a host of other factors, our winner was selected. I am pleased to announce to the greater FOT community that Dennis DeLap, owner, restorer and chief wrench, of a pristine surrey-topped TR4, was awarded the Martha McDougal FATBASTARD trophy for 2007. As Henry noted, Dennis also took the Wild Hare overall win, giving the Triumph marque dominance at the awards dinner. Congratulations to Dennis and his crew! Many thanks go to Dean and Nita Tetterton, Don and Jo Marshall, Henry, George, Mark and all that helped to make this event a success. Leo Oddi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 11:29:55 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:29:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070420172911.632C8187B63@autox.team.net> There is a guy in Germany, Stephan Schamschula, that used them in his wild TR6 I believe. His e-mail address is below if you went to contact him. szs-motor at t-online.de Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Cun Sent: 19 April 2007 22:22 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Hi Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? Jim Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Apr 20 15:47:58 2007 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:47:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium Message-ID: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the suspension. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 15:53:00 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:53:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070420215216.D94AE187A06@autox.team.net> I think I like your son; must mention this to Mr Drews when I visit him next month...... -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works USA [mailto:gasket.works at gte.net] Sent: 20 April 2007 22:48 To: Keith Files; 'Jim Cun' Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: titanium Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the suspension. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Apr 20 15:57:35 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <20070420172911.632C8187B63@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cun > Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Fri Apr 20 16:22:13 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:22:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <001801c7839a$59be1460$1123394a@Elliott> Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. > Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. > > :-) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Cun >> Subject: [Fot] titanium rods >> >> Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 17:23:56 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:23:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20070420232312.4EB8A187A93@autox.team.net> Hey Henry, me an you both; mine was due to an errant BMW driver taking me out on my Honda Firestorm in good old London Town - they stopped the traffic at rush hour to land the air ambulance and I made the UK national news - great days..... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Henry Frye Sent: 20 April 2007 22:58 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cun > Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 20 19:35:41 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:35:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? NAW! He's still limp. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Apr 20 19:40:33 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: Yer killin me here.... hehe. Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability enhancer for the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? NAW! He's still limp. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Apr 20 22:46:06 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:46:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704210448.l3L4mLXV242866@ns3.geneseo.net> One rod manufacturer I talked with said they can supply rods in titanium for the bargain basement price of about $460 per rod. On the other hand, there are less expensive approaches to lowering rod weight. Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR use that weigh 650 grams per rod. One car will shortly be racing with these rods. Not all that much weight savings, but the set I just converted for a friend cost less than half of what Carillos cost. Then if you want to buy new Wiseco pistons and have them made to accept shorter pins, you can reduce the weight of the rod / pin / piston assembly by another 20 grams by using lightweight pins. Then there's one more approach to lightweight rods that would give rods of about 550 grams and still cost less than Carillos. Tantalizing, huh? But when I survey the FOT list for interest, I don't come up with enough genuine interest to make the whole thing viable from the standpoint of bringing these to market and making a decent profit for all the effort, so I've run out of steam. If there is enough interest, I'll write this up and put it on Tony's web site. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 01:35:34 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds-- about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 20, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Yer killin me here.... > > hehe. > > Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability > enhancer for > the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. > > Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; > henry at henryfrye.com ; > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > > > In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: > > Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? > > NAW! He's still limp. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From don at carterdesignassociates.com Sat Apr 21 00:40:46 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:40:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <200704210448.l3L4mLXV242866@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000501c783df$fe43cb70$38e8a8c0@DWC> Jack, you guys stay up way too late. I thought I was the only night person. You know architects train for this in college. What's yall's excuse? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods One rod manufacturer I talked with said they can supply rods in titanium for the bargain basement price of about $460 per rod. On the other hand, there are less expensive approaches to lowering rod weight. Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR use that weigh 650 grams per rod. One car will shortly be racing with these rods. Not all that much weight savings, but the set I just converted for a friend cost less than half of what Carillos cost. Then if you want to buy new Wiseco pistons and have them made to accept shorter pins, you can reduce the weight of the rod / pin / piston assembly by another 20 grams by using lightweight pins. Then there's one more approach to lightweight rods that would give rods of about 550 grams and still cost less than Carillos. Tantalizing, huh? But when I survey the FOT list for interest, I don't come up with enough genuine interest to make the whole thing viable from the standpoint of bringing these to market and making a decent profit for all the effort, so I've run out of steam. If there is enough interest, I'll write this up and put it on Tony's web site. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Apr 21 05:51:13 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 06:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jag question Message-ID: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at the back? Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 21 06:04:43 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:04:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: <003001c7840d$3f904810$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Bill's description of the MV parts reminded me of the discussion I had yesterday with someone who works on my cars occasionally but mostly works on Alfas. The gist of it was that with British cars the whole is far greater than the sum of the parts, whereas with most Italian designs, that is usually true but the individual parts are often also beautiful examples of industrial design and craftsmanship in their own right. That is not something you would say about most of the castings or forgings on a British car. Of course, this characteristic of Italian cars is imbedded in the whole culture and has been for 1000s of years. Think of those marvelous, perfectly executed aqueducts that are still standing with a perfect pitch of inches over a mile. Not to diminish my charming British cars at all, as there are no Italian cars in my garage these days, but two Triumphs! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. > Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from > 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote > would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the > four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection > contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor > though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds-- > about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are > absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. > > An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium > alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking > because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate > slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Apr 20, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Yer killin me here.... >> >> hehe. >> >> Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability >> enhancer for >> the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. >> >> Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. >> >> Terry Stetler >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: BillDentin at aol.com >> To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; >> henry at henryfrye.com ; >> fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods >> >> >> In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, >> 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: >> >> Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? >> >> NAW! He's still limp. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> mailman/li >> stinfo/fot> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markjwea at msn.com Sat Apr 21 06:16:57 2007 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:16:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Just in case anyone is tempted to make sparks....titanium can catch fire and is very dificult to put out. Not as bad as magnesium but still a big problem. Mark Weathers >From: Gasket Works USA >To: Keith Files , 'Jim >Cun' >CC: 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: [Fot] titanium >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:47:58 -0500 (CDT) > >Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks >when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low >suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the >suspension. > >m > >M.N.Dunst >Gasket Works USA, LLC >gmt-8 Pacific time >626.358.1616 voice >626.628.3777 fax >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Sat Apr 21 06:18:24 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:18:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jag question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2007 7:53:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: #1 at the front or #1 at the back? #1 at rear ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Apr 21 06:36:42 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:36:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: titanium rods References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <003201c78411$b7ae4370$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Be aware that the titanium rod doesn't contact the crank. High friction and wear! Cheers Chris From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 21 06:56:52 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:56:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: Uncle Jack wrote: >Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh >in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR >use that weigh 650 grams per rod. For a TR6, my Carillos are 443g each, compared with stock rods at 698g each, and lightened stock about 600g each (includes ARP bolts). JE +0.047" are 290g each, compare with AE Hepolite +0.030" at 410g each (includes wrist pins and plugs). I wonder if the rotational mass of a TR4 motor could be greater than the 6? After all, the rubber TR6 crankshaft has to weigh less than Uncle Jack's flash new steel crank from Moldex. Shane Ingate, titanium free, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Apr 21 08:23:07 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:23:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful > parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't > mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly > with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium > valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. > What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 > pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are > absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. > > An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used > in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks > propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's > either good, or it's gone. > l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak link in the chain? Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Apr 21 08:47:28 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:47:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: Current Formula 1 V8s are turning 20,000 rpm for qualifying, and 19,000rpm during the race. Back when they were "only" turning 15,000 to 16,000 Ferrari's block service life was 1000km, at which point they were changed out. The culprit? Sonically induced microfracturing. Isn't technology grand? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: billb at bnj.com ; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak link in the chain? Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From emanteno at comcast.net Sat Apr 21 09:41:33 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:41:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <042120071541.17234.462A30AD000D5A55000043522200758942970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Terry Stetler" > Isn't technology grand? Almost as grand as a limitless r & d budget. Irv From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Apr 21 10:09:07 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:09:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Jag question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2007 5:04:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Jack W. Drews" > Subject: [Fot] Jag question > To: fot at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147 at ns3.geneseo.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack I have no idea if Jaguar does it differently than Triumph, but Triumphs are always counted front to back. I thought that was the convention with in-line engines. Suffice to say that if they are counted back to front in the USA, then the British will almost certainly count front to back! Rgds Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 11:54:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:54:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A90E45-6872-4A55-90FF-24EF8C3E27B3@bnj.com> So the bizarre thing about the MV is that it's a street bike. The engine is expected to last more than 100,000 miles, and a few of the Brutales (naked bike version) are approaching that mileage without major mechanical failure. My Senna will not have more than 10,000 miles on the odo if I continue to own it. After 200 miles in the saddle I need help getting off the bike. The most fiendish ergonomics since the Iron Maiden. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Current Formula 1 V8s are turning 20,000 rpm for qualifying, and > 19,000rpm during the race. > > Back when they were "only" turning 15,000 to 16,000 Ferrari's block > service life was 1000km, at which point they were changed out. The > culprit? Sonically induced microfracturing. > > Isn't technology grand? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: billb at bnj.com ; tlizzard at msn.com > Cc: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > > In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. >> Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP >> from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, >> Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I >> suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel >> injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a >> motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs >> 413 pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and >> retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look >> like jewelry. >> >> An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium >> alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking >> because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't >> propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. > > > l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak > link in the chain? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 12:01:16 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:01:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jag question In-Reply-To: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: Jags are numbered back to front. Whacky buggers--what were they thinking. Drove me crazy on a 420 I tried to restore (wound up selling it as a parts car). In fact the biggest problem the car turned out to have was a cracked crank caused by the engine builder putting the bearing caps on in reverse order. Turned out that the simple fool put the #1 cap in the front. I would have done exactly the same. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 4:51 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at > the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 12:01:58 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:01:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jag question In-Reply-To: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <93ACA684-D409-4F17-8F85-DCED6EACE06B@bnj.com> Oh, and by the way--RUN. He couldn't be that good a friend. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 4:51 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at > the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Apr 21 19:14:31 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:14:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium References: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006b01c7847b$94fc3930$6401a8c0@TER2> Porsche 911 style, (935) rods used to cost $1,000. 00 each 15 years ago! Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works USA" To: "Keith Files" ; "'Jim Cun'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium > Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks > when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low > suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the > suspension. > > m > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Apr 21 23:29:23 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:29:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] time Message-ID: Did you know that at three minutes and four seconds after 2 AM on the 6th of May this year, the time and date will be 02:03:04 05/06/07. This will never happen again. Now you know everything. And for the rest of the world, outside of the USA, they get to do that on 5th June! Regards Lion From triumph_marx at freenet.de Sun Apr 22 16:01:52 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:01:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] test References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Apr 22 18:40:31 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:40:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. Message-ID: Well... I finally got my street TR3 out this weekend. She languished most of last year with a battery problem, an Optima no less, so I called the shop where I purchased it and they swapped it for a new one, very cool. Popped it in on Saturday and took an exploritory first drive. All was good. So.. This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) What a sweet car the TR3 is. A real car. One you have to drive, not just operate. Everything from the concise instruments to the delicate drift of the tail through a sweeper, to the intake bark of the Weber carbs brings you back to what driving is all about. Only a motorcycle is a more visceral experience than this. I come up on a rubber bumper MGB (why on earth did they keep making those things?) that is taking it's good time, I casaually move the fingers of my left hand to the OD switch, drop down to normal and let 2185cc's do the talking. The hapless MG becomes a spec in my mirrors. And so it went for just over 100 miles. Life is good. Terry Stetler From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 22 20:01:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:01:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst possible time to change email addresses--when Mark was being nibbled to death by ducks. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, wrote: > More than one month off list. > > Anyone who can read this? > Used my old address maybe the old one is better? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 22 20:10:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:10:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds great Terry, I need to build myself a street TR3. Lord knows I don't have to buy a thing to put one together--maybe two. I took Peyote out this afternoon. A similar situation though it was only about 100 yards. I needed some space in the shop to clean out all the crap. So I backed Peyote down the gravel drive (not easy in a car that has too little ground clearance to drive over a 5/8ths socket) to my steep, moss covered driveway, got the nose pointed upwards and gave it the gas. It didn't move. The rear tires were just spinning, so I lifted a little and it drifted right. Gave it a little poke and it drifted left. back and forth a few times until the tires warmed up and the moss got scrubbed off, and I zoomed to the top of the driveway, turned the wheel right with no effect whatsoever on the nose, lifted a little and the car turned in, gave it some poop and the back end swung out, the car squirted into into the driveway. I stopped, got out, and thought--Man, that's Peyote in a nutshell. Nothing works the way it should, but everything WORKS. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Well... > > I finally got my street TR3 out this weekend. She languished most > of last > year with a battery problem, an Optima no less, so I called the > shop where I > purchased it and they swapped it for a new one, very cool. Popped > it in on > Saturday and took an exploritory first drive. All was good. > > So.. > > This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my > habitual Sunday > breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American > breakfast, I set > out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. > A beautiful > twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded > off by my > inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put > the top up.) > > What a sweet car the TR3 is. A real car. One you have to drive, > not just > operate. Everything from the concise instruments to the delicate > drift of the > tail through a sweeper, to the intake bark of the Weber carbs > brings you back > to what driving is all about. Only a motorcycle is a more visceral > experience > than this. > > I come up on a rubber bumper MGB (why on earth did they keep making > those > things?) that is taking it's good time, I casaually move the > fingers of my > left hand to the OD switch, drop down to normal and let 2185cc's do > the > talking. The hapless MG becomes a spec in my mirrors. > > And so it went for just over 100 miles. > > Life is good. > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 22 23:19:10 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:19:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <462C41CE.8010006@bradakis.com> Bill Babcock wrote: >I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst >possible time to change email addresses--when Mark was being nibbled >to death by ducks > > Actually he's still on the list, email is still getting sent to him. He just doesn't want to accept it: : host mx.freenet.de[194.97.50.144] said: 550 Submission from dynamic IP requires authentication (in reply to RCPT TO command) Why the folks at freenet think I'm using dynamic IPs is anybody's guess. mjb. From budscars at msn.com Tue Apr 17 19:43:46 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:43:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event Message-ID: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> Hello Gang....Are any of you racing in the SCCA vintage at Laguna Seca this weekend?......As of 4/16 entry list..TRIUMPHS.. it's Joe Siam and Racer Bud(Me) in Spitfires...Gary Horskorta in a TR4...Charles Turvey in a GT-6..Scott Adair in a TR250..Frank Emmet in a TR-8.......MG's..Ed Lamantia in a 1962 MGA...Scott Brown in an MGA...Tim Arnett in a Datsun 2000 Factory Special..Randy Arborgast in a Mini Cooper... This looks like a Great event...with Victory Lane Mag. and SCCA hosting a dinner and welcome banquet on Sat Night(welcome banquet was originaly set for Friday night)......The OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Banner Will Be Flying...at... LAGUNA SECA .....Go Baby Go! Hope to see you There Gang Racer Bud From trmarty at glwb.net Tue Apr 17 20:24:43 2007 From: trmarty at glwb.net (Martin Sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Autocross at Road America May 19th Message-ID: 610d8977b44a290f3ba50a8296720510 Ok, folks young and old one and all. Here is the scoop for the Autocross taking place at Road America May 19th in conjunction with the MOTRAH 007 Vintage Race event. It is open to all Morgan, Triumph, and Austin Healey vehicles from bone stock to full race. You will run with similar prepared cars. It should be a blast so if you want to participate get your registration in because there are a limited number of slots available. See you there, Marty Sukey MOTRAH Autocross Registration Plans are being finalized for the MOTRAH Autocross on Saturday, May 19th. We are now ready to begin accepting registrations from Morgan, Triumph and Austin Healey drivers for this event. The Autocross will be run from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm on the Briggs and Stratton Motorplex at Road America and is being organized by the members of Windy City Morgan Owners Group, Chicago's Morgan club. Due to time and capacity constraints, it may be necessary to limit the number of entries so it is important that you register now to guarantee a spot. From now until May 6, 2007, an early registration period will be held. During this period, the first 25 registrations for each marque (total of 75) will be guaranteed a place in the Autocross. Beginning May7, 2007 and continuing through May 18, 2007, registration will be on a first come basis regardless of marque until all available Autocross spots are filled. In order to register, e-mail or telephone Steve Balsamo at Windy City MOG [ HYPERLINK "mailto:sdbalsamo at aol.com"sdbalsamo at aol.com, (847) 242-0717 ] stating name, address and type of car. This notification will hold your place in the event. You will then be sent a registration package including Rules, class structure and a registration form. This should be completed and returned to Steve at P.O. Box 210, Glencoe, Illinois 60022. There is no entry fee for the event. If you have a Healey, Triumph or Morgan you are welcome as our guest. Prizes and operating costs are being covered by Windy City MOG. If you have any questions regarding the Autocross, please feel free to contact Steve Balsamo as outlined above. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 4/17/2007 4:43 AM From BillB at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 22:53:43 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:53:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event In-Reply-To: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> References: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> Message-ID: Unfortunately no--I just got back from Maui and need to get ready to start the four month long All Aluminum Tour. But there's lots of good friends going. I think Cameron Healy will be there with his Pooper, of perhaps the new 908 he just bought. I'd love to see that run. I know Mark Powell is going and Jack Healy is bringing his new BMW. Have fun guys. See you in seattle at the Spring Fling. First Northwest Outing for Nero, my truly weird trailer. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 3:43 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hello Gang....Are any of you racing in the SCCA vintage at Laguna > Seca this weekend?......As of 4/16 entry list..TRIUMPHS.. it's Joe > Siam and Racer Bud(Me) in Spitfires...Gary Horskorta in a > TR4...Charles Turvey in a GT-6..Scott Adair in a TR250..Frank Emmet > in a TR-8.......MG's..Ed Lamantia in a 1962 MGA...Scott Brown in an > MGA...Tim Arnett in a Datsun 2000 Factory Special..Randy Arborgast > in a Mini Cooper... > > This looks like a Great event...with Victory Lane Mag. and SCCA > hosting a dinner and welcome banquet on Sat Night(welcome banquet > was originaly set for Friday night)......The OLD GUYS STILL DUMB > ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Banner Will Be Flying...at... LAGUNA > SECA .....Go Baby Go! > > Hope to see you There Gang > Racer Bud From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 23 00:20:44 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:20:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` Message-ID: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. Thanks, mjb. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 23 01:40:51 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` In-Reply-To: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> References: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I've got a set of those myself that I took off a Toyota 2TG motor and ran for quite a while on my cheater TR3. Pain in the ass to tune, as I recall the air corrector jets are backwards to Weber practice of leaning the mix as the number goes higher. Also of course you can't borrow anything from fellow racers--weber parts don't fit. As I recall I got all the bits from Mikuni USA, but I finally gave up on the carbs as too much hassle. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 11:20 PM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: > We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber > DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? > I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From john at race-dogs.com Mon Apr 23 01:01:29 2007 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:01:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` References: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000e01c78575$37f7c100$1f01a8c0@jawsxp> Wolfcreek racing in the east- Rebello Racing ion the west- They have all the Mikuni stuff- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` > We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber > DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? > I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 23 01:05:26 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:05:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] This is better Message-ID: <462C5AB6.5020505@bradakis.com> So just like last sunday, I'm sitting at the computer for way too long. But this time it is because things are working, not like last sunday when I was beating my head against a virtual wall, cursing Qwest and the horse they rode in on, etc. Over 100 hours without a network was starting to get to me. That network outage came at ironic time, April 11th, actually 1 am on the 12th to be more precise. Those of you who have been around for a while might remember that April 11th is the day that Team.Net became a registered domain back in 1991. So this was Team.Net's 16th birthday. And I was getting ready to send out a message to folks about the annual fund drive. I would have felt pretty bad if I had sent the message, and then gotten booted off the air - "Send me money for something that doesn't work" It is nice to have things working again, and I'll manage to get the donation drive underway in a day or two. Good thing, because it is starting to sound like I'm losing a bearing in one of the hard drives on the main server, time for some upgrades. But for now, I think I have all the FOT admin tasks done that required my attention. Maybe I can get some Triumph work done this week! mjb. http://fatchancegarage.com From triumph_marx at freenet.de Mon Apr 23 03:48:05 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:48:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] test References: <171017.13850.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c7858c$7e5dca60$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> So I can get through but cannot read. How do we fix that misfunction that I only can send but don't receive FOT mails? Any idea? Come on...you flew several times to the moon....can't be that difficult. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Diehl To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test Gotcha!! triumph_marx at freenet.de wrote: More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Ed Diehl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 23 06:13:53 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:13:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:40:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) Did you take a side trip up Tontoganny Rd. ? Jack Woehrle (grew up iin Maumee) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 23 07:37:44 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Gasket Works USA wrote: > Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white > sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my > cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and > tune the suspension. The F1 guys usedto do this. Or was it tungsten... oh well, it was one of those "t" metals. But they made wicked kool sparks when the tub bottomed. > m rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From triumph_marx at freenet.de Mon Apr 23 08:14:57 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:14:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: test Message-ID: <003301c785b1$c6b78510$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Hi Bill, If this is true then I have to excuse myself. Changed the SPam filter for keeping the mails 10 days. FOT mails should catch there. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Cc: Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] test In a message you probably couldn't read Mark said it's your service provider bouncing the email for some reason. Unfortunately I deleted the message. Maybe Mark can tell you directly, or this message might be bounced too. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:48 AM, wrote: So I can get through but cannot read. How do we fix that misfunction that I only can send but don't receive FOT mails? Any idea? Come on...you flew several times to the moon....can't be that difficult. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Diehl To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test Gotcha!! triumph_marx at freenet.de wrote: More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Ed Diehl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Apr 23 09:29:54 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:29:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch/Carbs Message-ID: <002401c785bc$3e050250$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello All: Completed a good weekend at Laguna Seca with the SCCA Spring Vintage Classic. 175 entries of all types, not your traditional vintage classes but lots of interesting cars. Our small bore group of thirty seven cars included about one third Mini-Coopers then a bunch of Porsche 356s and 911s, couple of Datsuns, couple of Spitfires, a TR250, my TR4 along with some MGAs. A very trick Mini-Cooper won the race...geez was he fast...lapped about half the field in twenty-three minute race. Questions: I have a stock clutch slave cylinder and a Wilwood clutch reservoir. After bleeding the system at the end of the day, I checked it the next morning and the fluid was a dark gray. It had been clear after bleeding the system and there was no leakage plus the system worked fine during the subsequent race. Any ideas on what could be coloring the fluid? Anyone know of a good supplier of SU needles? My car is running a bit lean at the top end as indicated by a light tan colored exhaust pipe. The color is proper gray at lower to mid range RPMs. I believe I need a needle that has a narrower taper on the bottom portion. Currently running Moss Motors RH needle (374-220) which is supposedly their rich version. I'm running stock carbs, mid-range cam, 11.5 to 1 compression. Thanks Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Apr 23 10:34:16 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:34:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. References: Message-ID: Yes I did Jack, but it's become so developed out there now that you really cannot drive "con brio" anymore. Still fun though. I repeated much of the ride later in the day on my '04 Triumph Bonneville. A "Triumphant" day all 'round. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: tlizzard at msn.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:40:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) Did you take a side trip up Tontoganny Rd. ? Jack Woehrle (grew up iin Maumee) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See what's free at AOL.com. From LOddTR at aol.com Mon Apr 23 17:55:50 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:55:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] To Mordy Dunst Message-ID: I am interested in replacing my windscreen on the TR250 vintage racer. I like the one that is on your car as shown on the FOT TR4 picture page. Can you direct me to the supplier? Leo Oddi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 24 10:57:45 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motrah Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208E24BB5@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I just licked the envelope on my registration for Motrah. I wasn't sure if I would be able to make it but I guess I'm committed (based on the refund policy). At this point I am looking for hotel recommendations. I'll need beds for 3 guys so I'm thinking there must be a Suite type place with 2 doubles and a couch/bed. Any suggestions appreciated. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 24 11:32:33 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:32:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Motrah Message-ID: Osthoff has two bedroom suites and living room with fireplace....kitchen & two baths. Ask for the 'weekend retreat' special. you have to ask. includes $25 daily food & drink voucher. SVRA has it's banquet there, too, and it is close to the track. > I just licked the envelope on my registration for Motrah. I wasn't sure > if I would be able to make it but I guess I'm committed (based on the > refund policy). At this point I am looking for hotel recommendations. > I'll need beds for 3 guys so I'm thinking there must be a Suite type > place with 2 doubles and a couch/bed. Any suggestions appreciated. > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > _______________________________________________ From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Apr 25 09:42:11 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:42:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transportation available Message-ID: <20070425154049.5F62F187A5F@autox.team.net> A friend of mine is doing some truck hauling in the next couple of weeks and I thought some FOT members might be able to use some space on his vehicles. The first trip will be made with just a big pickup truck. He willl depart Albuquerque, NM on April 29 and go to Dallas to arrive on the 30th. From there he will to to Austin on aprox the 1st of May then Abilene, Tx on May 2 then back to Abq. His next trip will depart Abq. on May 6th, again with only a big pickup truck to Phoenix on May 7 then on to Los Angeles to arrive on the 9th. There he is picking up a 30 ft gooseneck trailer going back to Abq. via Flagstaff. The trailer will have aprox 6 ft of space available on it. He should arrive back in Abq on aprox the 11th or 12th. The driver's name is Bob Porter and his cell phone number is 1 505 400 2607. Thought this might be of use to someone. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 25 18:25:43 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:25:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction Message-ID: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> Just saw this on the CVAR groups list: "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you." LOL! Susan :) -- ***** Oh, I would just *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize! ***** From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 25 17:52:15 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction In-Reply-To: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> References: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> Message-ID: <4B7B4C80-5647-40EF-B846-D48B859682BA@bnj.com> I've seen that before but it's still funny. If you're looking for some humor take a look at the Washington Post blog that Sheryl Crow and Larry David's wife are doing on their BioDiesel Bus Tour to fight Global Warming. As if the concept wasn't funny enough, the posts from Sheryl and whatever her name is are extraordinarily funny. I presume that's the intention (though I'm having a hard time understanding the purpose). I hope that's the intention, I'd hate to think anyone that talented (Sheryl Crow) could be so stupid http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/ 2007/04/21/AR2007042101385_pf.html though after seeing them transform Carl Rove from archvillian into a sympathetic figure I've got to wonder. I'm going to dedicate the All Aluminum Tour to fighting global warming as well. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to do it, but I'll think of something. Right now I'm considering single ply bathroom tissue. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 25, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Just saw this on the CVAR groups list: > > "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and > oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. > Horsepower > is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with > you." > > LOL! > > Susan :) > > -- > ***** Oh, I would just *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize! ***** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 19:40:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:40:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/2007 6:23:22 PM Central Daylight Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: > "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and > oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower > is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with > you." > > LOL! > We saw Max Papis exhibit all four characteristics at Road America. (It took a Gehl to move the wall back in place) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 19:42:19 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:42:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming & The All Alloy Tour Message-ID: > I'm going to dedicate the All Aluminum Tour to fighting global > warming as well. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to do it, but I'll > think of something. Right now I'm considering single ply bathroom > tissue. > > Single Ply Charmin & Beano From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 20:00:23 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:00:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America Message-ID: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH! "A.R.E." is pleased to announce the sponsorship of a very fine Chronograph Watch at MOTRAH 007 to be presented at Road America. Criteria for recognition will BE much like the 'Kastner Cup', with an emphasis on Performance, Presentation of the TR, and the Passion of the Piloto. It looks like we are going to have an assemblage of TR Competition Cars that has not been seen in recent history. Far flung and fast TRs...from all corners of the US and at least a couple of drivers from the UK. The clock is ticking down. Regards...... From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 16:13:26 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest of you folks belong to handling this situation? Thanks, Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 26 16:31:07 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:31:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/2007 5:14:51 PM Central Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Everyone should have a driver's license and proof of their own insurance. If you are autocrossing, you might stop doing that without insurance From Herald948 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 16:47:10 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:47:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/2007 6:32:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? By all means, incorporate, get insurance if the club can afford it, and -- if possible -- take advantage of any attorneys who also happen to be members or friends of members! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Thu Apr 26 16:56:15 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:56:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > How are the car > clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? For drives held on public roads, we've been basically ignoring the risk. The club itself has no assets (well, not enough to be worth pursuing in court anyway) and the risk to individuals within the club would appear to be minimal. We emphasize that participants should obey all applicable laws and exercise their own judgment. For events not held on public roads, we obtain event insurance through VTR. At least here in CA, the venues require this anyway. I'm no lawyer, nor do I play one on television. But some of our club members are lawyers, and they seem to feel this approach is reasonable. Of course, now that I think about it, the lawyers rarely organize events ... maybe there's something they're not telling us ? Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From 356drb at indy.net Thu Apr 26 18:20:08 2007 From: 356drb at indy.net (Brett Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:20:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0894FBF0-B63C-4485-A93C-0AB0E4C449F3@indy.net> Our non-denominational British car club buys a million dollar liability policy each year for around $600. We were concerned that VTR or Austin Healey club policies would not cover us since only a portion of the organizing group is with one of those clubs. Our policy limits us to non-timed events, such as shows, tours and gimmick rallys. Should any of us want to do an autocross or TSD rally, we would likely "hire" our local SCCA region to put one on -- we've never felt the need, though. Our group has no official formal structure. Our member attorneys felt that the insurance would sufficiently shield the organizing committee. Brett Johnson Indianapolis On Apr 26, 2007, at 6:13 PM, marty sukey wrote: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non > marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 > members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle > liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or > other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody > could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the > risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings > but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that > the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp? > sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Apr 26 18:10:02 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:10:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: <20070426.181003.-309099.20.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Marty, In some states, Incorporation gives some protections. Our litigious society causes great paranoia among many people. I've spoken to lawyers who insist clubs must have insurance for everything. Extra for each board member, riders on top of the policy for any moving event. Another lawyer who says if you are getting members together for social reasons, no insurance is needed. For a moving event, basic liability is enough. Individual board member coverage is a waste of club funds. Affiliates of a national club may get insurance through that affiliation. Sometimes, it can offer a local club low cost access to riders to cover their moving events, such as an autocross, track day, rallye, or the like. Check your state laws to see if Incorporation helps you out enough. There are some good companies..out there offering products to cover club liability at a reasonable cost for a years coverage. Bill On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:13:26 -0500 "marty sukey" writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non > marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. > There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle > liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or > other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody > could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should > we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk > and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings > but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that > the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14 888 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Thu Apr 26 18:59:19 2007 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <000601c78867$4a7180b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Randall, I would believe that the board members of the club would be liable, especially given that the club has no assets, but then again, I'm not an attorney. I an Engineer who advises a room full of attorneys on technical issues. Jack For drives held on public roads, we've been basically ignoring the risk. The club itself has no assets (well, not enough to be worth pursuing in court anyway) and the risk to individuals within the club would appear to be minimal. We emphasize that participants should obey all applicable laws and exercise their own judgment. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 20:02:12 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:02:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America Message-ID: Sounds neat but you are going to have to think of a catchy name for this award but its going to be tough to top the FATBASTARD award but I know you can do it Joe. Marty >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >To: fot at autox.team.net >CC: Jensen87 at aol.com >Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:00:23 EDT > >FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH! > >"A.R.E." is pleased to announce the sponsorship of a very fine Chronograph >Watch at MOTRAH 007 to be presented at Road America. > >Criteria for recognition will BE much like the 'Kastner Cup', with an >emphasis on Performance, Presentation of the TR, and the Passion of the >Piloto. > >It looks like we are going to have an assemblage of TR Competition Cars >that >has not been seen in recent history. Far flung and fast TRs...from all >corners of the US and at least a couple of drivers from the UK. > >The clock is ticking down. > >Regards...... >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 29 04:32:32 2007 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:32:32 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor Message-ID: Dear Listers, Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - a) Initial timing used b) Total mechanical advance used c) What RPM total advance is achieved Thank you for your assistance. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _____________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Apr 29 08:10:42 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:10:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F871@server.Triumph.local> Right, wrong, or indifferent, here's my thoughts and what I run. Once you have the motor on cam and in the powerband, it wants to see total advance. The only reason we have the advance mechanism is because we need to retard the spark for starting. So... Initial timing = less . I set the Mallory's total advance to 10 degrees because the 24 that's built into it made it very difficult to start hot. I did not buy the fancy adjustable base plate, I simply bent the tang in the Mallory that limits how far the points plate can travel. I set it to 10 degrees, it worked, and I have not messed with it since. Is 10 degrees the optimal setting? No clue. As to what RPM total advance is achieved, I set mine to hit full advance WELL before I get into the on-track useable powerband. YMMV. Obviously, this applies to my track-only racecar. On street-going cars this approach probably would not work so well. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Vucinic > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor > (Mechanical > Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - > > a) Initial timing used > > b) Total mechanical advance used > > c) What RPM total advance is achieved From PegAndBobM at aol.com Sun Apr 29 09:40:58 2007 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:40:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a front hub. The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to turn 5 at La Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need a source for competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition rotors) and at least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't know what else may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I came down on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the front the fender off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, so may need a left door skin also. Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted directly at (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) Thanks Bob Miller ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Fubog1 at aol.com Sun Apr 29 09:55:42 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:55:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2007 11:41:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PegAndBobM at aol.com writes: Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a front hub. The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to turn 5 at La Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need a source for competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition rotors) and at least a good front fender. My sincere condolences. Glad the damage wasn't worse. Sorry I can't help with parts but I'm sure that others on the list will be able to help. I'll also apologize in advance but I have to ask the obvious question.... Did you flat-spot the brake rotor...? Glen (with tongue in cheek) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 29 11:39:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <830F5508-3330-4040-99F6-DB8CA686D48D@bnj.com> Bob, I put dibs on a two sets of southwick hubs that were left over and then completely forgot about them until now. I actually still want both, but if you like you can have one set. Hey Jack, are those still available or has my atrocious memory screwed me once more? Where are you located? I need to take stock, but I suspect I might have a slightly nasty left front fender I don't need. I've also got a pile of stock rotors. I'm in Portland, OR and I'm leaving on my long, long tour in a week and a half, so time would be of the essence. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:40 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a > front hub. > The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to > turn 5 at La > Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need > a source for > competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition > rotors) and at > least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't > know what else > may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I > came down > on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the > front the fender > off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, > so may need > a left door skin also. > Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted > directly at > (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ > (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) > Thanks > Bob Miller > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 29 13:02:50 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:02:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Learning new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just did a Driving 101: Learning New Tracks article on my blog that some of you might find useful www.allaluminumtour.com Any comments, corrections and opinions are welcome. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:40 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a > front hub. > The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to > turn 5 at La > Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need > a source for > competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition > rotors) and at > least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't > know what else > may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I > came down > on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the > front the fender > off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, > so may need > a left door skin also. > Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted > directly at > (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ > (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) > Thanks > Bob Miller > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From EDENMA at aol.com Sun Apr 29 13:22:32 2007 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:22:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: Bob: Please tell me that was not your immaculate, beautiful, historic TR3? I have some stock TR4 hubs and rotors that I would be happy to lend you until you can source some replacements. Even cooler than that they are right here in Evergreen! I would suggest the Southwick hubs if you can get them. My TR4 had all the Southwick hubs and axles when I bought it. I do not have any TR3 fenders however I know Paul has some nice ones down at Sports Car Craftsmen as they were part of the stuff we sold him when we liquidated Jim Rickel's shop. Give me a ring at home or on the cell: 303-912-4596(c) 303-674-0579(h) Cheers! Mark 64 SCCA GP Spit 62 TR4 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Apr 29 17:38:42 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:38:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability Message-ID: <200704292338.l3TNcorI348319@ns3.geneseo.net> The Southwick aluminum hubs are specifically designed to prevent breakage. Therefore they are not particularly lighter than the stock ones but they are hell for stout. They have larger bearings which still fit the stock spindles and the bearings last much longer because of their size and because the aluminum hubs conduct the brake heat away from them faster. The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. You can see this setup at www.tonydrews.com click on "jack's parts" There are none available right now except for the two spare sets that Bill Babcock wanted, and I purchased them for him and have them in storage at my shop. I'll ship them to whomever Bill wants me to. Here's the problem: Southwick is not a mail order parts supply house. He is a machine shop. To make a run, he must purchase a complete bar of 6" diameter 6061 T1 aluminum, which makes 25 pairs of hubs. For him to make a run, he has a cash outlay of over $10,000. Therefore unless he has orders in hand for at least half that number, he does not make them. He is a small machine shop and cannot carry this kind of inventory. My only role in this thing is that I do the customer contact work for Southwick, through this FOT list. I receive no compensation. I just do it for the good of the sport. Several times in the last two years I have surveyed the FOT list and asked how many folks want these. Each time I have gotten a response of perhaps five definite customers and perhaps five "maybe's". This is a very meager response - not enough to warrant a run. So here's the offer: If those folks on the list who will commit to purchasing one set of hubs will email me, if I get 12 firm requests I will go to Southie and do my best to negotiate a run. Fair? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 30 05:58:32 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:58:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. I can attest to the cost of the bearings. Last week I was going to order a set (of bearings) for stock, until I was quoted ~$250 for an axle set (Timken). The inner bearing & race is big $$. Of course if they have good service life they're worth it. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 30 10:55:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:55:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's getting crazy expensive for some things, way beyond any general inflation. Racing brake pads have gone from 75 bucks to 300. Ball and roller bearings are astronomical. Used to be that I'd take my bearings to the local bearing supply house and get way better bearings for half or less of the money than "official" parts. Now they're the same price (still worth doing though because the quality is better). Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:58 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: > > The last time I talked with Soutwick > about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 > range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason > unknown. > > > I can attest to the cost of the bearings. Last week I was going to > order a > set (of bearings) for stock, until I was quoted ~$250 for an axle > set (Timken). > The inner bearing & race is big $$. > Of course if they have good service life they're worth it. > Glen > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From scypher at usa.com Mon Apr 30 12:15:14 2007 From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:15:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch and Spitfire Gearbox Message-ID: Can any of the experts comment on installing a tilton pressure plate with a stock gearbox/bellhousing? I'll be installing the motor and trans this weekend, and won't want to pull it back out because I need a spacer or shim somewhere. Thanks -Scott From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 30 15:18:14 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:18:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: Amici, I recall a discussion a few years back where Kas expounded on the value and importance of the "Dongle" on the mid year transmissions. I don't recall the details but do recall it was important to stop the cases from cracking. I've recently been given a trans (thoroughly rusted) with a complete dongle system with all the strap steel mounts and such. Does anyone have a street car that needs this harmonic dampener? I could toss it like all the others over the years but it may be the detail someone needs for their cruiser. Anybody wants it, all I ask is the shipping cost... Steve Smith ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 30 15:23:13 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208F30D47@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Send it to TRF so they can make copies. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Amici, I recall a discussion a few years back where Kas expounded on the value and importance of the "Dongle" on the mid year transmissions. I don't recall the details but do recall it was important to stop the cases from cracking. I've recently been given a trans (thoroughly rusted) with a complete dongle system with all the strap steel mounts and such. Does anyone have a street car that needs this harmonic dampener? I could toss it like all the others over the years but it may be the detail someone needs for their cruiser. Anybody wants it, all I ask is the shipping cost... Steve Smith ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 30 15:27:08 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:27:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: I'd be happy to but do you think they'd be intersted? How many enthusiasts would buy such a thing without the full understanding of it's purpose? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 30 15:35:12 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:35:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208F30D76@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I don't know. If the piece eliminates vibration you'd think the public would want it but you are probably correct. The market size may not be large enough to justify making the part. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:27 PM To: Kramer, Robert; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home I'd be happy to but do you think they'd be intersted? How many enthusiasts would buy such a thing without the full understanding of it's purpose? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 30 16:05:12 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:05:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: I wonder how many Dongles I have had over the years, and thrown away. I didnt even know they were called Dongles. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 30 16:27:01 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:27:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] FoT T-Shirts New Run? Message-ID: There have been some inquiries on FoT T-shirts recently. These have been a good value and widely recognized. Ted has provided a good quality shirt. We might be able to convince someone to coordinate the orders. Makes sense to me. Show of e-hands? Joe From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Apr 30 16:50:34 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor References: Message-ID: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign switch thrown to the on position. Anybody ever try that? Henry's getting pretty close!! art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > Dear Listers, > > Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical > Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - > > a) Initial timing used > > b) Total mechanical advance used > > c) What RPM total advance is achieved > > > > Thank you for your assistance. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > > _____________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 > 9:14 AM From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 30 17:58:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:58:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <51F50CDF-1360-4CFD-B697-C29C6959DC1E@bnj.com> I do it whenever I forget to shut off my accusump. If it's been a very long time or it's a fresh rebuild I pull the dizzy and spin the pump to fill and pressurize the accusump and get oil everywhere in the engine. Then I crank it with the ignition off until the engine is spinning nicely and flip on the ignition. I don't do it because my advance is locked--I use a little, about ten degrees. But I use pretty soft springs. Smokey built a lot of cars that ran in a narrow band of RPMs. I bet there's some torque to be gained with a properly set up advance, but I don't have a dyno or easy access to one, so I don't have a clue what that might be. Seat of the pants won't work. It's probably way less than ten percent. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:50 PM, riverside wrote: > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that > dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting > was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned > off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign > switch thrown to the on position. > Anybody ever try that? > Henry's getting pretty close!! > > art de armond > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor >> (Mechanical >> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start >> with: - >> >> a) Initial timing used >> >> b) Total mechanical advance used >> >> c) What RPM total advance is achieved >> >> >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: >> 4/30/2007 >> 9:14 AM > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Apr 30 19:58:56 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability In-Reply-To: <200704292338.l3TNcorI348319@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000001c78b94$476d6200$2b24b348@blake1> Jack, Consider me committed, to the hubs that is. 1 pair. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability The Southwick aluminum hubs are specifically designed to prevent breakage. Therefore they are not particularly lighter than the stock ones but they are hell for stout. They have larger bearings which still fit the stock spindles and the bearings last much longer because of their size and because the aluminum hubs conduct the brake heat away from them faster. The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. You can see this setup at www.tonydrews.com click on "jack's parts" There are none available right now except for the two spare sets that Bill Babcock wanted, and I purchased them for him and have them in storage at my shop. I'll ship them to whomever Bill wants me to. Here's the problem: Southwick is not a mail order parts supply house. He is a machine shop. To make a run, he must purchase a complete bar of 6" diameter 6061 T1 aluminum, which makes 25 pairs of hubs. For him to make a run, he has a cash outlay of over $10,000. Therefore unless he has orders in hand for at least half that number, he does not make them. He is a small machine shop and cannot carry this kind of inventory. My only role in this thing is that I do the customer contact work for Southwick, through this FOT list. I receive no compensation. I just do it for the good of the sport. Several times in the last two years I have surveyed the FOT list and asked how many folks want these. Each time I have gotten a response of perhaps five definite customers and perhaps five "maybe's". This is a very meager response - not enough to warrant a run. So here's the offer: If those folks on the list who will commit to purchasing one set of hubs will email me, if I get 12 firm requests I will go to Southie and do my best to negotiate a run. Fair? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Apr 30 19:50:36 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:50:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F876@server.Triumph.local> I did try that. Couldn't get the engine to start when I set it to my desired advance. I sort of remembering getting it running, setting to 30, locking the dizzy down, having the engine go off cam and stall. Then it would not re-fire. Those high torque starters are really great for spinning over hot, high compression engines, but with the gear reduction they do not spin them particularly fast. That doesn't help. > -----Original Message----- > From: Art DeArmond > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that dizzy be locked > (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. > Anybody ever try that? From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Apr 30 19:53:25 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 35 dollars nolbc Message-ID: <000601c78b93$81b9f690$6401a8c0@alex> http://youtube.com/watch?v=p0JWgwTB8jA This may work well for Auto X . I could not pass by Tony Hawks helmet cam for short $$ at Toys R us on saturday . My son took it right out of the box and made a trip around the block the down load to the computor was a snap The camera comes with software for editing,graphics and sound but also records sound while its recording It has a 32mg flash card and can handle a 1g but with a 1g card the camera shuts down after 15min of recording and has to be restarted I should not be suprised but there are several videos on youtube titled Tony Hawk camera test I belive the camera sells for around $ 100.00 this just happened to be marked way down On sat there was one more on the shelf for $35 if any one wants it I can run back and get it if its still there>> feels like i should of bought em both at this point Its made or marketed buy WWW.playdigitalblue.com 888-800-0502 If any one just has to have one call me @800-478-4949 and i try and getit afta work on tuesday rob From kaskas at cox.net Mon Apr 30 21:52:05 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor References: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> <51F50CDF-1360-4CFD-B697-C29C6959DC1E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <019201c78ba4$16112bf0$750cc548@RWKastner> Trust me, there is an advantage in finding the correct advance curve. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: riverside Cc: FOT Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory Distributor I do it whenever I forget to shut off my accusump. If it's been a very long time or it's a fresh rebuild I pull the dizzy and spin the pump to fill and pressurize the accusump and get oil everywhere in the engine. Then I crank it with the ignition off until the engine is spinning nicely and flip on the ignition. I don't do it because my advance is locked--I use a little, about ten degrees. But I use pretty soft springs. Smokey built a lot of cars that ran in a narrow band of RPMs. I bet there's some torque to be gained with a properly set up advance, but I don't have a dyno or easy access to one, so I don't have a clue what that might be. Seat of the pants won't work. It's probably way less than ten percent. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:50 PM, riverside wrote: > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that > dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting > was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned > off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign > switch thrown to the on position. > Anybody ever try that? > Henry's getting pretty close!! > > art de armond > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor >> (Mechanical >> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start >> with: - >> >> a) Initial timing used >> >> b) Total mechanical advance used >> >> c) What RPM total advance is achieved >> >> >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: >> 4/30/2007 >> 9:14 AM > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 30 19:00:28 2007 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto Message-ID: <004e01c78b8c$1cefd330$bf524c0c@user90890nvpgh> Amici, The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair. The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable, Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto, is there any advance built into it? Just wondering. Bill Triumph Rescue From Labs0808 at aol.com Sun Apr 1 04:16:51 2007 From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:16:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Check out YouTube - Shell & Partizan Message-ID: _YouTube - Shell & Partizan_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qT_q8PXFrw) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Apr 1 07:33:20 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage Message-ID: I agree wholeheartedly. I spend quite a bit of time at Jays' shop. Bernard is a true craftsman and a great guy. Jim, the second in command ,races a Lotus 7. Also a cool guy. The shop is amazing. They also just got a 150 year old steam engine running. Video of it is at the site is cool. I was there the night they got it running. Also, if you click on 1956 Austin Healey video, you will see Jay and I talking about car restoration tips. Jay does have one Triumph, the red TR3 we had on our cover a while back. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and storage facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E type in Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars are fueld, charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show condition. He has three main garages two for storage and display and one for work. I thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed boy in a candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, a true mechanic of all things mooving. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Apr 1 12:42:04 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:42:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 Message-ID: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The brake pedal was very high on the TR5 street car and I discovered that the spacer block that is shown between the master cylinder vacuum booster and the firewall is missing. Apparently it got "missed" when the brake booster/master cylinder was reassembled after restoration. I am guessing that the same spacer block is used on the TR250, TR5 and TR6. The part is not available from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) If anyone has one of these spacer blocks they no longer need I'd like to purchase it. Or, if someone has one that they could take the dimensions off of, O.D.; I.D. bolt circle or pattern and thickness, I will machine one out of aluminum plate. It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. Having the dimensions will allow me to machine it, take the booster off and reassemble right away. Really only want to crawl up into that inside firewall by the pedals once. Just had back surgery. Thanks in advance for any help. Tim From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sun Apr 1 13:16:00 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:16:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 In-Reply-To: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: > The part is not available > from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) FYI, you can view pages & search the Moss catalog at http://www.mossmotors.com However, they don't appear to even have a P/N for that spacer. The Stanpart number is 148024, but TRF doesn't list it either. Rimmers does ... but they want almost $80 (40 GBP) + shipping for it. > It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. Looks thinner in the factory parts book, 1/2" or maybe 3/4". > Just had back surgery. Yuck !!! Randall From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Apr 1 17:31:08 2007 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (ejmajor250 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:31:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 Message-ID: <040120072331.18803.461040BC00084264000049732207022933CFCACD9D01060E03060A@comcast.net> Team Triumph (Scott Harper) in Waren Ohio is sure to have one. He has ton's of used TR stuff at reasonable prices. www.teamtriumph.com TEAM TRIUMPH BRITISH AUTOMOTIVE 695 Summit St NW(330) 392-7176 Warren, OH 44485-2800 From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Apr 1 20:44:24 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:44:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] piston needed Message-ID: <20070402024245.87D85187B83@autox.team.net> I need just one 1500cc Spitfire piston with rings size .060 over. Can anyone help with this request. Thsnk You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM ph 1 505 362-4350 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Apr 1 20:49:53 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Device Message-ID: FoT, I'm upgrading my helmet restraint device this year and will be listing my Hutchens Device (simple strap version) on eBay. If anyone is interested, please contact me directly before Tuesday. Thanks for allowing me this commercial moment. Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:17:39 2007 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:17:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 In-Reply-To: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Tim, I have lots of those. Youcan have one for $10 which includes postage. Give me a call tommorrow at 570-275-5705. Lorne Fritz Ps check out my web site. Sports-Car- Haven.com >From: "Tim Murphy" >To: "'FOT'" >Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:42:04 -0500 > >The brake pedal was very high on the TR5 street car and I discovered that >the >spacer block that is shown between the master cylinder vacuum booster and >the >firewall is missing. Apparently it got "missed" when the brake >booster/master >cylinder was reassembled after restoration. I am guessing that the same >spacer block is used on the TR250, TR5 and TR6. The part is not available >from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) > >If anyone has one of these spacer blocks they no longer need I'd like to >purchase it. Or, if someone has one that they could take the dimensions >off >of, O.D.; I.D. bolt circle or pattern and thickness, I will machine one out >of >aluminum plate. It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. >Having the dimensions will allow me to machine it, take the booster off and >reassemble right away. Really only want to crawl up into that inside >firewall >by the pedals once. Just had back surgery. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Tim >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 2 00:01:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:01:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The tour starts soon In-Reply-To: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3AF43517-A006-4704-89C7-442D0D5925D5@bnj.com> I'm about to head back from Maui. I'm getting withdrawal symptoms. I enjoy myself here. Four months on the road going to race tracks. I 'm starting to think I might be nuts. But one thing I could use some help with is traveling music. I've put a post on my blog asking for recommendations of the best road music. I need a huge playlist. Any and all comments and suggestions welcome. The easiest way is to leave a comment on the blog. http://www.hawaiiv.com/allalum/?p=195 One other thing. I've sort of figured out what goes wrong with the ATC 2000 camera from Oregon Scientific. I can't recommend this camera to anyone because the company is terrible at customer service, but 120 bucks for self contained video camera the size and weight of a bratwurst is hard to pass up for anyone that would like to have in- car video. It turns out that the SD card that stores the video vibrates in the holder and loses connection, which makes the camera crash and lose the current recording. Slicing a foam earplug diagonally and pressing it into the slot above the card holds it in place against vibration. You can see a compressed version of the video at http:// www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog/?p=249. the real video is pretty high resolution: 640 X 480 and 30 frames per second. It actually does a decent job. too bad the company treats customers so badly. I'm looking forward to seeing lots of you folks on the road. The All Aluminum Bar is always open to FOTers. We're also bringing a video projector to do movie nights. I'm modifying one of the awnings so it can do double duty holding a big screen. We'll collect videos from anyone that gets one, do a quick merge and edit, show on track video followed by some kind of relevant hollywood release. I know I can watch Grand Prix, Le Mans or Faster every night, but Diane might want something more theatrical. Perhaps Wild Hogs? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 2 00:06:48 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:06:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440E0B5D-AFE9-4F82-9855-7C1B3B12BF22@bnj.com> Lucky you (actually, we both know luck has little to do with it, just lots of work and a complementary obsession). I met Bernard briefly on a tour a few years ago and was greatly impressed. Loved the toys. Jay's a man after my own heart, though I wouldn't care to have a collection that esoteric. But I'd take all of his bikes (except that goofy Brough Superior styled chopper thingy). Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:33 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > I agree wholeheartedly. I spend quite a bit of time at Jays' shop. > Bernard is > a true craftsman and a great guy. Jim, the second in command ,races > a Lotus > 7. Also a cool guy. The shop is amazing. They also just got a 150 > year old > steam engine running. Video of it is at the site is cool. I was > there the > night > they got it running. > > Also, if you click on 1956 Austin Healey video, you will see Jay and I > talking about car restoration tips. > > Jay does have one Triumph, the red TR3 we had on our cover a while > back. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and > storage > facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many > occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E > type in > Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars > are fueld, > charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show > condition. He > has three main garages two for storage and display and one for > work. I > thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed > boy in a > candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, > a true > mechanic of all things mooving. > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Apr 2 00:08:27 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> I'd like to Nominate Kurt Oblinger to this group Kurt has been a friend for many years and has had invaluble input to my research and input to the west coast Triumph clubs over the years. He has a steel trap mind about automotive history in general and would be a great asset to this group. A second please Tom This is brief bio Kurt Oblinger ---- -- a freelance automotive photographer, writer and historian, specializing in sports cars. We collect and restore old sports cars, particularly Triumph, I also collect automotive books and vintage auto racing posters. "koblinger at verizon.net" From RustyTR4 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 05:29:38 2007 From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:29:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would be glad to welcome him into the FOT , you have your second on that. Matt Bakes ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 06:54:17 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:54:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Thanks Don Marshall Message-ID: <25101875.1175518457380.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Many thanks to Don Marshall (without his TR4) and son James who joined fellow FOTer Bob Wismer and me at Roebling Road this weekend. With their help the Battle of Britain TR3 came home victorious in class and as the highest finishing Triumph in the group. Thanks also to Glen Efinger who, by phone, helped us all diagnose and fix a deteriorating high speed miss that we cured in time for the Sunday feature race. I look forward to seeing Don in his ex-national championship TR4 at VIR in less than 2 weeks. Mike From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 07:47:35 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:47:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> References: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <8C943449AEBB2A3-C48-7820@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: trhouse at greenapple.com I'd like to Nominate Kurt Oblinger to this group Kurt has been a friend for many years and has had invaluble input to my research and input to the west coast Triumph clubs over the years. He has a steel trap mind about automotive history in general and would be a great asset to this group. A second please ==AM== Gladly! I just assumed Kurt had to have been a member by now. Besides, FoT needs more Sports 6 representation! :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Apr 2 09:53:18 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <461126EE.5020806@pobox.com> Tony, We were out racing at Hallett this weekend, so this is the first chance I've had to check emails. I've only been into about half a dozen overdrives, and I have never seen a problem with that top hat bushing. Sometimes they are fairly loose in the housing. I would just replace it with one from your spare. You might want to use a little sleeve retainer to make sure it doesn't turn in the alumimium housing. Your other problems I've seen before. The washer under the sun gear is almost always broken. It is interesting that the original overdrive manual says to have a sun gear float of 0.014 to 0.020, while later manuals say to use 0.008 to 0.014. These numbers don't even overlap. I've wondered whether they changed it to help reduce the impact on that washer and alleviate the breakage. I found a lot of inconsistencies like this when I was doing those articles, so be careful which manual you pick up. You should have no problem replacing all these parts. You'll have to take one of the planet gears off to replace the thrust washer, but that is not a big deal. I agree, it is amazing that it was still working. Do you have a overdrive pressure gauge? Do you have a large or small accumulator. The large accumulators are best for racing. You can check the pressure with a good half inch drill motor and the pressure gauge. I've got mine set up to run about 530 psi with a large accumulator. I've heard other people go up to 600 or 650 psi, but I really don't think that is necessary. I really get a kick in the pants when I shift mine. Larry Tony Drews wrote: >I thought you might be interested in my continuing OD saga. > >Thanks to all for the excellent advice! I took the OD mostly apart >and documented my findings on the overdrive page I created: >http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm > >What's amazing is that the OD worked just fine at the last race. If >you look at the pictures on my OD page, you'll be amazed that it >worked at all (I was anyway). > >Also, Randall sent me a PDF of the Laycock A-type overdrive manual, >so I posted it on that same web page, along with links to Larry's >excellent tranny and OD articles. > >- Tony Drews > >At 10:10 PM 3/30/2007, Tony Drews wrote: > > >> I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing >> pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild >> instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier >> this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the >> process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem >> wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top >> hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD >> oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the >> exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's >> no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number >> listed with Moss for it. >> I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an >> intact part in it on my website at >> http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 10:09:09 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:09:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:54:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: The washer under the sun gear is almost always broken. It is interesting that the original overdrive manual says to have a sun gear float of 0.014 to 0.020, while later manuals say to use 0.008 to 0.014 Excessive end-float kills these things. The thrust surfaces get worn & things start chucking back & forth & this is the result. The filter doesn't get all the fine trash out so they need regular fluid changes, especially if they're flogged hard. Also it's getting increasingly hard to get (good) rebuild parts nowadays. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 2 20:58:35 2007 From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:58:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1147 .040 cosworth piston Message-ID: <043401c7759b$fa5e4050$58ac8647@yourf78bf48ce2> I need one 1147 Spitfire Cosworth .040 oversize piston . Jerry Barker From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:57:27 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE MOTORSPORT Annual Photo Issue Message-ID: <20070403125727.45048.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Tony and Uncle Jack. Nice photo of you two dicing in the wet at Blackhawk. In which race I recall you finished FOA and Uncle Jack had some piddling little thing break. Darn! Also one of Larry Young chasing one of those pesky Minis and a Sprite. You know who they are. Ken Suhre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 07:43:52 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <46125A18.6020309@pobox.com> While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The main factors I've seen are: 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it from those with experience - Kas, Glen? Larry Young From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 3 08:06:01 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <46125A18.6020309@pobox.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7B@server.Triumph.local> Best mod EVER to an overdrive: Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: April 03, 2007 9:44 AM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue > > While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what > mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The > main factors I've seen are: > 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the > accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 > psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating > valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it > from those with experience - Kas, Glen? > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 08:40:32 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:06:27 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > Best mod EVER to an overdrive: > > Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set > of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > > More or less Mike Belfer's take as well. Not that they don't work...they work great. But they are complicated and usually one of the first things to break. I believe that to be a majority opinion. But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the success of long time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a very mildly prepared TR4 for years and years. It had an overdrive. He made very effective use of it, and somehow he always kept it working. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 09:04:04 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:04:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE MOTORSPORT Annual Photo Issue In-Reply-To: <20070403125727.45048.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken you know we all love the "Jack and Tony Show" TTFN Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 3 09:04:21 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7D@server.Triumph.local> > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] > > But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the > success of long time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a > very mildly prepared TR4 for years and years. It had an > overdrive. He made very effective use of it, and somehow he > always kept it working. One thing Bill neglected to mention about our good friend Don Brick, he was FAST in that very mildly prepped TR4... I hope I am still racing at Don's age, let alone being FAST! Last I talked to him he was bought a kart of some sort and is spending every Friday night racing with a league. Had a couple podium finishes to boot! Way to go Don! :-) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:15:10 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:15:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Overdrive issue Message-ID: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.83]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILINYG13-28f46126e592d2; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:10:28 -0400 Received: from mtai04.charter.net (mta04.charter.net [209.225.8.184]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG55-28f46126e592d2; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Received: from aa06.charter.net ([10.20.200.158]) by mtai04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070403151017.HXYC1421.mtai04.charter.net at aa06.charter.net> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Received: from [24.196.153.85] by aa06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070403151017.DWC10938.aa06.charter.net@[24.196.153.85]> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <4EF3F7C1-381C-40F5-98A4-842F231E200C at charter.net> From: Jerry Barr Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:10:58 -0500 To: BillDentin at aol.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 X-AOL-IP: 209.225.8.184 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cart racing takes a good level of physical fitness to do so he is my idle too! On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:00 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:49:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > jerrybarr at charter.net writes: > > >> I think the key is the TR4 was mildly prepared and the fact that Don >> was a smooth driver. > > > You are right. Don had a mechanic's 'gentle approach' to racing. > So did Mike Belfer. BUT Don also understood how to 'carry speed' > through a corner. He was clearly the best racer in our tent. > > Did you know that he sold the TR4 because after he retired 'vintage > racing' got too expensive for him? But he did not retire from > racing. He bought a Go-cart, and he is now very active in Quad- > city Go-cart racing. Can you imagine that. He takes up Go-cart > racing at 75+ years of age. > > He's my idol. > > Bill > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 09:17:02 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:17:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46126FEE.2000308@pobox.com> I had the opposite experience from most, because the overdrive actually saved me once. The clutch throwout bearing went out on my TR3 and I couldn't shift. I managed to get it into 3rd gear and ran two races at Hallett using only 3rd and 3rd overdrive. I only lost about a second off my normal lap times. BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:06:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > henry at henryfrye.com writes: > > >> Best mod EVER to an overdrive: >> >> Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set >> of close ratio gears and a set of tires. >> > > > More or less Mike Belfer's take as well. Not that they don't > work...they work great. But they are complicated and usually one of > the first things to break. I believe that to be a majority opinion. > > But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the success of long > time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a very mildly prepared TR4 > for years and years. It had an overdrive. He made very effective use > of it, and somehow he always kept it working. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 3 09:16:57 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7B@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > Best mod EVER to an overdrive: > > Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set > of close ratio gears and a set of tires. Ya, really. Your car saves at least 30 pounds in the deal. regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:41:14 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:41:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 4/3/2007 10:06:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: Best mod EVER to an overdrive: Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: April 03, 2007 9:44 AM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue > > While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what > mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The > main factors I've seen are: > 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the > accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 > psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating > valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it > from those with experience - Kas, Glen? > Larry Young Great response Henry! Larry I vote #1 & #3 for sure. #2 I suppose if you have lots of HP but I don't have that problem.... Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Apr 3 10:26:37 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:26:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] sleeved thermostats In-Reply-To: <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> References: <200704030754.l337saDI188189@ns3.geneseo.net> <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> Message-ID: <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> Teri, you hit it on the button. I should start reading your site before I post questions like this. Vintage racers, myself included, have tried all the combinations in an attempt to get their cars to cool. I've run with stock bypass, with no bypass, and with a bypass with a small hole in a plug. The reason we fool with this is that with the bypass, a certain amount of water bypasses the radiator under all conditions. For cars with stock radiators, the cooling system is less than marginal for racing, so plugging the bypass to get more water through the radiator is theoretically better. When I started racing, my car was always running 200 - 220 deg. I tried absolutely everything to cool it down, to no avail - better ducting, water wetter, all that baloney. Then I installed a $175 Chevy aluminum aftermarket radiator and now it runs so cool that I have to use a thermostat to get it warm enough to run right. My humble conclusion from that is that these cars just don't have enough radiator for North America. My kudos, though, to those who can solve the problem with the better fan or an electric fan for traffic. That works too. At 09:06 AM 4/3/2007, you wrote: >Jack W. Drews wrote: >> But out of curiosity, what's the current opinion on the original >> purpose for the sleeved thermostat design? I've got my own >> opinion, which is probably wrong, but I'm interested in the >> current thinking or the historical evidence. > >My opinion is in my web site. > >www.tjwakeman.net/TR/thermostat.htm > >TeriAnn > >Your messages not reaching the list? >Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > >=== This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register >=== http://www.vtr.org > >=== Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >=== unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net >=== Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >=== http://www.team.net/the-local > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 11:27:46 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] sleeved thermostats In-Reply-To: <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704030754.l337saDI188189@ns3.geneseo.net> <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <46128E92.3050906@pobox.com> Rather than allowing some water to go through the bypass, I drill a few small holes in the edges of the thermostat. That way you will still have some circulation even when the thermostat is closed. When it is hot, you will get maximum cooling, since all water goes through the radiator. Larry From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 14:34:47 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:34:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 2:49:33 PM Central Daylight Time, donlbrick at mchsi.com writes: > Bill > I did run an overdrive and I did blow one up at Grattan many years ago. I > do not know where I was but Bill Colom told me I should use Mobil l gear > lube in the od, I did this and ran the same unit until I sold the car for > approx. 15 years. It is available or was at Autozone. I also have a spare > od unit in my garage, it is not the same as the J type I ran in the race > car, I believe it is called an Atype. I might have these letters reversed > as I never did decide which unit I used. It is the unit with the electric > solenoid mounted upright on the side > Hope all this info helps. The od worked great because it reduced the rpm > between gears to about 500 instead of 1000. I did not use 2d overdrive > because Mike said the unit would be subjected to too much torque. > Don > Don... Via copy above, I have sent your comments to the FOT List for their info. I was surprised to learn you used Mobil 1 gear lube, as per Mike Belfer I always thought Kendall Three Star was the stuff to use in TRIUMPH transmissions. When Mike Belfer was alive and prepping my car we had an A and a B engine. One set up had an OD on the tranny. He always cautioned me about NOT using OD in 2nd gear as well, but just between us girls I did use it several times coming out of FIVE at ROAD AMERICA, and it was awesome. Bill ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From rjl at gt-classics.com Tue Apr 3 16:32:13 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:32:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 04:34 PM 4/3/2007, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Via copy above, I have sent your comments to the FOT List for their info. > >I was surprised to learn you used Mobil 1 gear lube, as per Mike Belfer I >always thought Kendall Three Star was the stuff to use in TRIUMPH >transmissions. I used to use Redline MTL in the OD gearbox in the TR-4 that Tony Drews now owns. It worked very well. >When Mike Belfer was alive and prepping my car we had an A and a B engine. >One set up had an OD on the tranny. He always cautioned me about >NOT using OD >in 2nd gear as well, but just between us girls I did use it several times >coming out of FIVE at ROAD AMERICA, and it was awesome. When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down faster than I could suing the clutch. Hope that helps, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Tue Apr 3 16:42:35 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:42:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 06:32 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: >When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my >primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down >faster than I could suing the clutch. Of course, that should be "using the clutch" - sorry. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 3 17:48:03 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill & Others putting together their driving music. I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. One essential that makes the box everytime. Donald Fagen - The Nightfly and you? Dennis From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 3 18:06:40 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070404000458.537CA187C22@autox.team.net> So, kinda back toward the original question... I love the OD, and use 2nd OD all the time. I don't know if it makes me faster, but I have more fun driving with the extra drama of the OD. I agree that the close ratio box is the way to go from an intellectual standpoint, but having those 7 speeds and the right gear for ANYTHING is way cool. Since I've got it apart, any performance hints / tweaks are welcome! I need to figure out which hole in the actuating valve to drill out. I did have a little slip with full throttle upshifts, so will be raising the pressure some, but probably not to the 600+ psi range. And, it does have the big accumulator. Anything else? It's going back together this weekend... By the way, I think what broke it was a combination of rear wheel lockup and the detroit locker. I replaced the rear pads, and had problems with rear lockup for a while. When you lock one rear with the locker you get a big BANG. Scared the piss out of me. Had that happen a couple of times, and then found that teeth were missing off of 3rd gear. I'll bet the driveline shock was what hosed the OD too. Took a year to manifest itself, and even then only as parts coming out with the oil. Still worked like a champ. - Tony At 05:42 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: >At 06:32 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: > > >When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my > >primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down > >faster than I could suing the clutch. > >Of course, that should be "using the clutch" - sorry. > > >R. John Lye > >rjl6n at cstone.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Apr 3 19:31:28 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:31:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4612FFF0.1020909@141.com> Donald Fagen and Steely Dan RULE. Kamakiriad is another good one from Fagen, plus anything else from him or the Dan. Pink Floyd is good for that late-night haul--The Division Bell is one I like, plus anything from further back (particularly the songs Run Like Hell and Learning to Fly). Singing along to The Wall will keep you from falling asleep! I have discovered a new (to me) favorite--Candy Dulfer, a stunningly gorgeous blonde Norwegian lady, can lay DOWN some funky sax. Great stuff. And a very eclectic one for you, that seems to fit perfectly with racing (to me, at least) is the album Flag, from Yello. The track The Race is the one to hear on that one. I also like the Greatest Mexican Mariachi Music CD and lots of big band swing. Festive & fun! Enjoy! Susan :) Dennis DeLap wrote: > Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 3 18:45:19 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Carlos Santana Abraxas Any of the first several Zeppelin Bad Company (Bad Company) Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album with all of the tracks intact is the best version) ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs Scorpions Love Drive Beatles, Abbey Road Eagles, Hotel California - Tony At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 3 19:29:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:29:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301c77658$b8cada50$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music Carlos Santana Abraxas Any of the first several Zeppelin Bad Company (Bad Company) Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album with all of the tracks intact is the best version) ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs Scorpions Love Drive Beatles, Abbey Road Eagles, Hotel California - Tony At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Apr 3 19:38:05 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spacer block for brake booster Message-ID: <001d01c77659$e4336990$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who replied. Appreciated it. Have one coming from Lorne Fritz at Sports Car Haven. Tim From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 19:57:11 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:57:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar music. I also suppliment with Early Quicksilver Hot Tuna - anything electric Yes - all the classic pieces Neil Young Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Curry >Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' , 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw >in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. > > Joe C. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Tony Drews >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >Carlos Santana Abraxas >Any of the first several Zeppelin >Bad Company (Bad Company) >Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >Scorpions Love Drive >Beatles, Abbey Road >Eagles, Hotel California > >- Tony > >At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >> >> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >> One essential that makes the box everytime. >> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >> >> >> and you? >> Dennis >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Tue Apr 3 20:16:18 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:16:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, Khachaturian Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty Rogers and his giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't want to play house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... Have Great Trip Man Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jackson" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. > > Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues > Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar > music. I also suppliment with > Early Quicksilver > Hot Tuna - anything electric > Yes - all the classic pieces > Neil Young > > Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major > slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Joe Curry >>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' >>, 'FOT' >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw >>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. >> >> Joe C. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Tony Drews >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >>Carlos Santana Abraxas >>Any of the first several Zeppelin >>Bad Company (Bad Company) >>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >>Scorpions Love Drive >>Beatles, Abbey Road >>Eagles, Hotel California >> >>- Tony >> >>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >>> >>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >>> One essential that makes the box everytime. >>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >>> >>> >>> and you? >>> Dennis >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >>> >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>http://www.eset.com >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dkettler at powercom.net Tue Apr 3 20:22:48 2007 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:22:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> Message-ID: <00c601c77660$51e50510$411372d8@David> I'm waiting for Bill Dentinger to weigh in on this one. I could take a road trip with Tony Drews anytime. Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Jackson" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, Khachaturian > Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty Rogers and his > giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing > sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't want to play > house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... > Have Great Trip Man > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Jackson" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > >> We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. >> >> Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues >> Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar >> music. I also suppliment with >> Early Quicksilver >> Hot Tuna - anything electric >> Yes - all the classic pieces >> Neil Young >> >> Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major >> slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. >> >> Mike Jackson >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Joe Curry >>>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >>>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' >>>, 'FOT' >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. >>>Throw >>>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>>Behalf Of Tony Drews >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >>>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>>Carlos Santana Abraxas >>>Any of the first several Zeppelin >>>Bad Company (Bad Company) >>>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >>>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >>>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >>>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >>>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >>>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >>>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >>>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >>>Scorpions Love Drive >>>Beatles, Abbey Road >>>Eagles, Hotel California >>> >>>- Tony >>> >>>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >>>> >>>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >>>> One essential that makes the box everytime. >>>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >>>> >>>> >>>> and you? >>>> Dennis >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Fot mailing list >>>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >>>> >>>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Apr 3 22:55:43 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:55:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Good traveling music is a must for those long trips to the far reaches. You can only listen to talk radio for "X" hours before you want to buy a machine gun and go postal on someone. I don't know what "X" is... yet. I did WAY too much driving around while selling hearses and limousines, having driven those beasts in 44 of the states. I don't know how to suggest music when I really don't know ANYTHING about the listener except that he/she likes Triumphs. However, one thing I've started to do is to burn my own custom CD's of various artists works and some "thematic" CD's. I have collections made up from the following (alphabetically listed by first name); Alison Krauss and Union Station, The Allman Brothers, Brooks and Dunn, Jimmy Buffett, three different Bruce Springsteens (early, middle and later), Chris Isaak, Dar Williams, Jackson Browne, James Taylor, John Hiatt, John Prine, Led Zeppelin, Lyle Lovett, Melissa Etheridge, Moody Blues, Neil Young, Norah Jones, Richard Thompson, Rickie Lee Jones, Steve Earle, The Who, Todd Rundgren, Tom Waits, and Townes Van Zandt. More are in the making, but I listen to them several times and re-arrange the order and throw some out that just don't fit, or add some in, etc. So I end up with a bunch of songs that fit together and have a natural flow of some sort. One trouble with these collections is with dynamic range and recorded volume. You have to run them through some sort of program that equalizes the tracks or you end up having to adjust the volume for each track. I'm a fan of lyrics that make sense and make me think or feel, hence some of the entries in that list. I'm a fan of "raging geetars" too, so my taste tends to run that direction. Any good fretwork in almost any genre can be fun to listen to. My new favorite guitarist is Richard Thompson, even though he has a song about one of those cars that carries the (ahem...) Stop Sign of Shame on it with "MGB-GT". If you're going to buy an album, maybe "Action Packed" from 2001? Themed collections I have are Cadillac Songs, Driving Songs, Joe Songs, Rain Songs, Revolution Songs, and Town Songs. Each of these has about twenty different songs that are somehow related. This gives me some variety in a fun package. I have about 150 songs with Cadillac either in the title or mentioned somewhere in the lyrics. Odd, but strangely listenable at times. And when music doesn't seem to work, I can throw on some "Word Jazz" by Ken Nordine. I have to be in a really odd mood for that, but sometimes it just fits how the day is going... One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). NOTHING passes a 16 hour driving day better than a couple really good books that you haven't read or that you just love. Some truck stops have good selections, and some even let you trade in used ones. Shut them off when you come to a town or have to watch for a different highway to take, as you can get engrossed in the story and wake up 50 miles past where you needed to turn off. Been there, done that. I'd be happy to contribute some burned CD's to your collection if our tastes match up anywhere. Tell me where to send 'em. I'm gonna start looking for my Steely Dan stuff again, then download some Nightfly and see if it "gets me"... Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Apr 3 22:35:00 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> Message-ID: I guess I understand why I don't fit in that well!!! How can you take a road trip without: Ludacris Jay-Z Snoop Dogg Nas Rage Against the Machine Beastie Boys Mos Def Digital Underground The Chemical Brothers The Game The Kooks Megadeth Mobb Deep Nelly (when going to St. Louis) White Zombie TI ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 22:16 Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music To: Mike Jackson , 'FOT' > French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, > Khachaturian > Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty > Rogers and his > giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing > sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't > want to play > house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... > Have Great Trip Man > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Jackson" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > > > We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. > > > > Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues > > Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his > raging geetar > > music. I also suppliment with > > Early Quicksilver > > Hot Tuna - anything electric > > Yes - all the classic pieces > > Neil Young > > > > Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find > him...major > > slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. > > > > Mike Jackson > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Joe Curry > >>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM > >>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' > >>, 'FOT' > >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >> > >>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD > collection. Throw > >>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you > have it. > >> > >> Joe C. > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > >>Behalf Of Tony Drews > >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM > >>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT > >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >> > >>Carlos Santana Abraxas > >>Any of the first several Zeppelin > >>Bad Company (Bad Company) > >>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood > >>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) > >>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best > >>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album > >>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) > >>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango > >>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly > >>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs > >>Scorpions Love Drive > >>Beatles, Abbey Road > >>Eagles, Hotel California > >> > >>- Tony > >> > >>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > >>> > >>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks > trip to VIR. > >>> One essential that makes the box everytime. > >>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > >>> > >>> > >>> and you? > >>> Dennis > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Fot mailing list > >>>Fot at autox.team.net > >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> > >>> > >>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >>> > >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>>http://www.eset.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Fot mailing list > >>Fot at autox.team.net > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Fot mailing list > >>Fot at autox.team.net > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Tue Apr 3 22:37:14 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:37:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: > One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that will handle MP3 files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. That way you can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having 5 or more discs per book. And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles fly by, but I find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more rested (and a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the parking lot, listening to the end of a chapter ! FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by Tom Robbins. Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich are some of my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really well too, towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. Randall From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 4 06:13:19 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:13:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big band to comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! Susan :) > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Apr 4 06:07:18 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the best. And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big band to comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! Susan :) > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 06:29:46 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <040420071229.22342.46139A39000CB1C5000057462200748184970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Barr, Scott" > iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM > transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the best. And > the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! > > (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) It's best if you can plug in the iPod. There are areas where the FM band is so packed, that you can't find an open frequency to make the iPod FM transmitter work. But when it does, it really is great. Irv From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Apr 4 06:31:36 2007 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM > transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the > best. And > the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! > > (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Susan Kahler > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but > have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has > reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from > classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big > band to > comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! > > Susan :) >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 07:05:01 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <4613A27D.3090300@pobox.com> Listening to a good book is like going to the movies. My wife subscribes to audible.com. Membership allows you to download books every month. You can leave them on you computer, copy to CD, or put them on an MP3 player. Joe Guinan wrote: >One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). NOTHING >passes a 16 hour driving day better than a couple really good books that you >haven't read or that you just love. Some truck stops have good selections, >and some even let you trade in used ones. Shut them off when you come to a >town or have to watch for a different highway to take, as you can get >engrossed in the story and wake up 50 miles past where you needed to turn >off. Been there, done that. From mikee at ragtops.com Wed Apr 4 07:13:31 2007 From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:13:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> FOT; We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to arise about brake balance / bias. While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? Mike Engard From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:43:38 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:43:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 6:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > Sir Peter Ustinov's "GRAND PRIX of GIBRALTAR" is a must. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 07:45:47 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:45:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <20070404134406.3E28D187A92@autox.team.net> On the track, I've always understood that you crank in rear brake until the rears start to lock before the fronts and then back off until they quit doing that (be careful if you've got a locker!). No clue how to do it for a street car, although I would think you would want a bit more front bias on the street (controllability is more important than total stopping power there). - Tony At 08:13 AM 4/4/2007, Mike wrote: >FOT; > We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to >arise about brake balance / bias. > While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) >front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the >discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle >around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a >60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a >street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? >Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? > >Mike Engard >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From REK46 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:48:39 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:48:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: correct...if MDs are same sizemset bias about in center to start ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:52:45 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:52:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:26:49 PM Central Daylight Time, dkettler at powercom.net writes: > I'm waiting for Bill Dentinger to weigh in on this one. > While I tend to like most music (I'm a big Gilbert & Sullivan fan), my favorite music is early 1950s R&R and R&B. In my teens I had an incredible collection of 45s (the off-label originals...not the white covers). Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 4 07:59:23 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Tony Drews wrote: > Carlos Santana Abraxas > Any of the first several Zeppelin > Bad Company (Bad Company) > Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood > Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) > Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best > Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album > with all of the tracks intact is the best version) > ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango > Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly > Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs > Scorpions Love Drive > Beatles, Abbey Road > Eagles, Hotel California Hmmmm, I'm guessing you were born in the 1955 - 1964 timeframe. :-) I was ('55). When driving by myself, I tend to listen to a fairly eclectic mix with a trend toward "edgy". Anything by Miles Davis, with fav's being Bitches Brew and Tribute to Jack Johnson. My Boomer Tunes are more like Cream, Hendrix. The more eclectic stuff is any Jazz Fusion from 1970 through the mid-eighties. Eclectic starts with John McLaughlin and ends with Kazume Wantanabe. I play bass, so anything by Stanley Clarke is kool. I also play drums, so anything with Ginger Baker, Billy Cobham, Narada (Michael Walden), Billy Bruford or the "greats" like Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa. I can't listen to drum solos when I'm driving the TR6 - too scary. :-0. Metal is okay at night if there's no traffic around. When I'm driving with company, I usually listen to music a bit less edgy like Pat Metheny, John Scofield, certain Al DiMeola stuff (the later stuff is fairly mellow) and stuff with less vocals. When I start singing, sometimes I scare my passengers. And, of course, Spyro Gyra anything - always. Morning Dance is a great way to start the day. I still don't know why I like Spyro Gyra (as opposed to Miles or John McLaughlin), but I do. Yikes - waaaay off topic. As usual. > - Tony regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 4 08:37:21 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:37:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <001701c776c6$c14b05b0$6a00000a@Dave> Mike Not sure about a street car, but on a race car the seat of the pants approach usually works pretty well by gradually working the bias to the rear and sensing the response. On the other hand, if you're having a hard time feeling much difference you can crank it all the way aft and go find a corner where it is safe to do a turn-in spin. The stability problem usually is more pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further unloading the rear. The object is usually to get as much help from the rears as possible, but not so much that the car tries to swap ends on the kinds of corners where your braking is not all in a straight line. Over time you can usually get comfortable with the squirreliness of more rear bias, and remember that with rear drum brakes, in the course of a race they will often loose more effectiveness than the fronts, so they can handle more rear bias without impacting stability. On the scientific side, I've seen people with gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. I'm more inclined to think that the proof is in the pudding, and especially if there are other changes occurring (such as chassis adjustments), notwithstanding what the gauges say you've got to fine-tune it on track for the day and the driver. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance FOT; We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to arise about brake balance / bias. While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? Mike Engard _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 08:54:51 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:54:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: it is a big help to have a adj cable ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 09:36:36 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:36:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in your I-Pod... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From DonMarshall at nefcom.net Wed Apr 4 10:07:21 2007 From: DonMarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:07:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011701c776d3$53e96450$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> For my money, the best listening on the road is old radio shows like The Shadow, Philip Marlowe, Gunsmoke, Green Hornet and even Fibber McGee and Molly. Even the kids will be quiet (at least our kid) and listen for hours. We get them on Sirius but I think they're on XM as well. It does take awhile to get your mind around William Conrad as Marshall Dillon however. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Music IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in your I-Pod... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 10:15:08 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:15:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in >your >I-Pod... I agree! I took my XM portable with me when I drove out west last fall. Plenty of jazz, rock and was able to keep up with Air America too... OBTW, I did bring a collection of CDs with me... Bix Beiderbeck, Bennie Goodman, Modern Jazz Quartet, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Medeival Babes, Stan Rogers, Fairport Convention, Steel Eye Span, Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Steeley Dan. Steely Dan was perfect for driving down Hwy 1 in California... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Apr 4 10:16:19 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704041618.l34GIRCm050522@ns3.geneseo.net> You guys are an influence on me. I don't know if it's a good or bad influence, though ;) As a result of all these tantalizing messages, I spent a sizeable amount on Amazon.com this morning. This stuff had better be good! The satellite radio idea seems good, but I'm puzzled about the variety of music available. I read the lineup of stations on the placards in Best Buy, and I also try the Sirius channels on Dish TV, looking for music I like. I find a zillion channels devoted to all kinds of rock and hip hop (ugh) , but I find only two channels with classical music, only one devoted to blues, and only two devoted to C & W. Sometimes I want something other than rock. Am I missing something? At 10:36 AM 4/4/2007, KLynch7589 at aol.com wrote: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to >what's in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 10:34:09 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:34:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: I hear ya Don! The XM comedy is another one of my favorites. Just so long as you keep the rig on the road when you've tears running down your face from all the laughing. Truth be known, the comedies were on 60% of the time form our run out West to Monterey & back! A great way to eat up the miles... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Wed Apr 4 10:39:38 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <12844000.1525761175704778692.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> I have been enjoying XM for about a year now. Has channels for 40's,50's,60's.70's,80's,90's each is separate Also bluegrass, several country channels and most anything including the old radio shows that Don Marshall likes. The next best thing for long trips is GPS. I set it and don't have to watch for road signs at every interestion. A lot less stressful and you always know "How much further is it". Also gives you your speed calicated by the GPS. They are all just toys. Dean From: Date: 2007/04/04 Wed AM 11:16:19 CDT To: "Jack W. Drews" , KLynch7589 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: Re: [Fot] Music From: "Jack W. Drews" Date: 2007/04/04 Wed AM 11:16:19 CDT To: KLynch7589 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Music You guys are an influence on me. I don't know if it's a good or bad influence, though ;) As a result of all these tantalizing messages, I spent a sizeable amount on Amazon.com this morning. This stuff had better be good! The satellite radio idea seems good, but I'm puzzled about the variety of music available. I read the lineup of stations on the placards in Best Buy, and I also try the Sirius channels on Dish TV, looking for music I like. I find a zillion channels devoted to all kinds of rock and hip hop (ugh) , but I find only two channels with classical music, only one devoted to blues, and only two devoted to C & W. Sometimes I want something other than rock. Am I missing something? At 10:36 AM 4/4/2007, KLynch7589 at aol.com wrote: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to >what's in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 4 10:51:50 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:51:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:37:28 AM Central Daylight Time, dtalbott at archrepro.com writes: > Mike > > The stability problem usually is more > pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or > when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further > unloading the rear. > Dave, Corner Station Five at Road America is an example of this. It took me awhile to figure out why some very significant cars changed ends so readily, frequently with high drama and disaster. I just got a box, containing Wildwood pedals and watching this thread with great interest. Initial set up will be by Rick J on the AMBRO at Wyotoech, however. Joe A From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Apr 4 10:54:50 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:54:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] road music Message-ID: <000a01c776d9$f6444ac0$6e71fcd0@your55e5f9e3d2> I did a road trip to southern california last week and have my favorite road music well in mind ZZ Top, 38 Special, Bob Seeger, Blondie, Pat Benetar, Eagles Magic Slim, Jimmy Thackery(sp?), Stevie Ray Vaughn, and the blues of Eric Clapton, and Bill Wharton(the Sauce Boss) In the Goat Roping area, Toby Keith, some Shania, Johnny Cash live at Folsom Prison Patricia Barber for some very cool Jazz. also lots of old time radio mysteries and comedy and best of all the 9 CD set of a recent novel THE AFGAN nothin got played twice art de armond From mikee at ragtops.com Wed Apr 4 11:28:43 2007 From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4613E04B.5000508@ragtops.com> FOT; I deliberately didn't say what car 'cause I didn't want to unfavorably bias the responses . It's a 67 AH 3000 to which we've fitted a brake conversion (4-pot calipers, vented rotors) on the front and discs on the rear. The question isn't so much about this car, but rather a generic question about how to establish what the balance is on any car. The specific car becomes an issue when trying to determine how to change the balance. David Talbott wrote: > > I've seen people use gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. Pressure measurements would be a starting point, but pad material ie friction coefficient, unless the same front and rear, would negate anything you learn by measuring pressures. The seat-of-the-pants method seems to be the consensus. We were looking for something measurable/repeatable. Tony Drews wrote: > Since part of the setup depends on how much friction your particular front and rear pads / shoes have, I don't think there's way other than seat-of-the-pants. We have installed softer pads in the rear (semi-metallic in the front) for exactly that reason; to give the rears more bite. We're also very aware of the difference tires make, since that's where all the actual work occurs. An interesting note is that stickier tires push the bias forward due to increased weight transfer under braking. What we're looking for is a measurable, ie repeatable way of determining where the balance is now and when we get it right. So far all the response advocate seat-of-the-pants adjustments. Doing seat-of-the-pants in a race car would be lot easier than pushing a car on the street at the 7/10 or more needed to show a problem. On this particular car, in a straight line the fronts lock first. Does that mean we've got 51% front and 49% rear or 90% front and 10% rear? By measuring the temps we surmise that it's more like 60% or 70% front. We'll install a proportioning valve and measure some more temps and do lots more driving and adjusting. From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 11:38:17 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:38:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 12:52:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: The stability problem usually is more > pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or > when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further > unloading the rear. > Dave, Corner Station Five at Road America is an example of this. It took me awhile to figure out why some very significant cars changed ends so readily, frequently with high drama and disaster. I just got a box, containing Wildwood pedals and watching this thread with great interest. Initial set up will be by Rick J on the AMBRO at Wyotoech, however. Daves good simple explanation brought up the weight transfer issue which is a big part of the equation. Some of these questions have no simple answers because there are so many variables. What works for one may not work for another. A lot of times we have to make educated decisions... I suggest (beginning with #3)- 1- Several of the late-great Carroll Smiths books 2- The Brake Handbook by Fred Puhn HP books 3- understand & appreciate the "friction" or "traction" circle concept & weight transfer this WILL help! Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 4 12:01:23 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:01:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Music References: Message-ID: <006b01c776e3$4209a2d0$690fc548@RWKastner> No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody? Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: greenman62 at hotmail.com To: KLynch7589 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Music >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in >your >I-Pod... I agree! I took my XM portable with me when I drove out west last fall. Plenty of jazz, rock and was able to keep up with Air America too... OBTW, I did bring a collection of CDs with me... Bix Beiderbeck, Bennie Goodman, Modern Jazz Quartet, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Medeival Babes, Stan Rogers, Fairport Convention, Steel Eye Span, Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Steeley Dan. Steely Dan was perfect for driving down Hwy 1 in California... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 4 12:41:45 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:41:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 1:02:07 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody? Yup, Glenn Gray and the Casa Loma Orchestra, Wayne King the Dance King, Guy Lombardo and the Royal Canadians, Stan Kenton...those were the days. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:48:11 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:48:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <006b01c776e3$4209a2d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: Awww Kas, I'll see your >No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody ... and raise you "Sing, Sing, Sing" (Benny Goodman the Carnegie Hall performance with Krupa on the "skins") and Fats Waller "This Joint is Jumpin'" If you ain't moving something while that's playing you'd better check your pulse... You might be dead! Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 4 12:55:47 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:55:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance References: <4613E04B.5000508@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <003601c776ea$db9e06a0$6a00000a@Dave> The temperature approach will also be subject to variation given the differential heating and cooling aspects of vented rotors compared to solids, as well as ducting or airstream variables, pad compounds, etc. The proportioning valve is a very handy tool if you are starting with a balance situation that is rear biased, since proportioning valves (unlike the bias adjusters on master cylinders) are usually pressure-limiting devices, simply reducing the rear pressure and effort. Like the knobs for cockpit adjustable cylinders, the nice part about a proportioning valve within the drivers reach is the ability to make changes on the fly. You may find that you have to fiddle with the relative master cylinder sizes (or wheel cylinders if you have rear drums) to get to a rear-heavy staring point for pressure-limiting type systems. Many production-based cars have pressure-limiting or pressure-delaying devices installed that can be removed to help get to the desired staring point for a racecar. Of course, if you are a high roller like Joe Alexander you would have a bias bar on the cylinders and then fine tune it all with the proportioning valve in the cockpit. Ultimately though, as Kas mentioned recently, you want to be able stand on the brakes real hard, but then get off of 'em a bit sooner and let that sticky rubber slow you down as you turn in. You work hard to make the brakes work well, and then you work hard to learn how to not slow down so much. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance FOT; I deliberately didn't say what car 'cause I didn't want to unfavorably bias the responses . It's a 67 AH 3000 to which we've fitted a brake conversion (4-pot calipers, vented rotors) on the front and discs on the rear. The question isn't so much about this car, but rather a generic question about how to establish what the balance is on any car. The specific car becomes an issue when trying to determine how to change the balance. David Talbott wrote: > > I've seen people use gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. Pressure measurements would be a starting point, but pad material ie friction coefficient, unless the same front and rear, would negate anything you learn by measuring pressures. The seat-of-the-pants method seems to be the consensus. We were looking for something measurable/repeatable. Tony Drews wrote: > Since part of the setup depends on how much friction your particular front and rear pads / shoes have, I don't think there's way other than seat-of-the-pants. We have installed softer pads in the rear (semi-metallic in the front) for exactly that reason; to give the rears more bite. We're also very aware of the difference tires make, since that's where all the actual work occurs. An interesting note is that stickier tires push the bias forward due to increased weight transfer under braking. What we're looking for is a measurable, ie repeatable way of determining where the balance is now and when we get it right. So far all the response advocate seat-of-the-pants adjustments. Doing seat-of-the-pants in a race car would be lot easier than pushing a car on the street at the 7/10 or more needed to show a problem. On this particular car, in a straight line the fronts lock first. Does that mean we've got 51% front and 49% rear or 90% front and 10% rear? By measuring the temps we surmise that it's more like 60% or 70% front. We'll install a proportioning valve and measure some more temps and do lots more driving and adjusting. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Apr 4 13:15:19 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:15:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. Largest Nano is 8 Gb, which is 12 CDs. Sounds like you need a bigger CD case ! :^) Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 13:26:11 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:26:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <32543948.1175714771991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Yes! I have many old radio shows on CD from www.theradiolady.com My odd voice choice is Vincent Price as The Saint. But, it works somehow. We also have William Conrad as Paladin in Have Gun Will Travel. Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) but these are from South Africa and advertize products never heard of here or in the UK. -----Original Message----- >From: Don Marshall >Sent: Apr 4, 2007 12:07 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Music > >For my money, the best listening on the road is old radio shows like The >Shadow, Philip Marlowe, Gunsmoke, Green Hornet and even Fibber McGee and >Molly. Even the kids will be quiet (at least our kid) and listen for >hours. We get them on Sirius but I think they're on XM as well. It >does take awhile to get your mind around William Conrad as Marshall >Dillon however. Don > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:37 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Music > >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's >in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 14:44:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:44:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BBA3C53-CA21-4BCC-9659-B02D592F47B2@bnj.com> As soon as i get to it I'm going to put a "Books on Tape and Paper" section on the blog too. Diane and I are both voracious readers and listen to books on long drives when we aren't doing music. The ultimate, in my mind, is "Snows of Kilimanjaro" read by Charlton Heston. Short, but an absolute must a few times in your life. I should explain perhaps that I'm a longtime iPOD junkie and while my CD collection still exists, I listen to music and books on tape via various MP3 players. Audible.com is a great source for MP3 version of books. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). > > I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that > will handle MP3 > files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. > That way you > can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having > 5 or more > discs per book. > > And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles > fly by, but I > find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more > rested (and > a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the > parking lot, > listening to the end of a chapter ! > > FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by > Tom Robbins. > Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich > are some of > my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really > well too, > towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 14:55:31 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:55:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: The scientific approach requires a lot of instrumentation. You can put pressure gauges on both lines and see where the hydraulic pressure is. While that doesn't necessarily translate to braking force it gives you relative numbers that have something to do with braking force that you can easily track. Or you can do it the way you do it on a race car--get on the brakes really hard a few times and see what the back end is doing. You want enough braking on the rear to keep it back there someplace, but no more. The more front bias you can get away with, the faster the car will haul down. For a road car you want to err on the side of safety and keep that rear end where it belongs under heavy braking. Most of your braking force will come from the front wheels unless you set the bias so strongly to the rear that the front wheels don't get any juice. Look at it this way, under hard braking the front wheels are being forced down against the pavement, and the rear wheels up. You can demonstrate that easily with a motorcycle. In fact just a few days ago I perfected doing "stoppies" on my dual purpose Honda 650. The cops in Paia were unimpressed. Or perhaps I should say unfavorably impressed, though I didn't get a ticket, just a little dressing down. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:13 AM, Mike wrote: > FOT; > We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions > started to > arise about brake balance / bias. > While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) > front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the > discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle > around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we > have a > 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting > up a > street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the > balance? > Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' > approach? > > Mike Engard > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Apr 4 13:55:12 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <000a01c776f7$2f1b0c90$c1d4fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> . From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 14:46:25 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:46:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mike Jackson > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of hottest women ever. Irv From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 14:49:36 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed Message-ID: <000f01c776fa$c28fbd10$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Hello FoT, I am in desperate need for a Mk I, Mk II or Mk III STEEL bonnet for my 63 Spitfire vintage racer to comply with SVRA requirements. The Zippo GP will be here before I know it! Due to the lack of restoration shops in my area (everyone just wants to do insurance claims) I am expanding my search for a perfect bonnet (this means no rust, original, no bondo, no dents). I know this sounds impossible, but I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for perfection as it will save me money in the long run. Hopefully someone out there knows someone who has one! I live in Annapolis, but will consider anything within the Continental US! Any leads will be gratefully followed! Thanks! Steven Groh 410-956-4988 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 15:00:13 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:00:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/04/2007 3:47:00 PM Central Daylight Time, emanteno at comcast.net writes: > > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the > incredible Ms Peel) > Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of > hottest women ever. > Episodes still run on the Time Warner BBCUSA Channel, but Shirley won't let me watch. She's very insecure. Bill ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 4 15:11:40 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:11:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> Irv, to the "hot woman" list, please add Barbara Bain - Cinnamon Carter on original Mission Impossible tv series. Ted emanteno at comcast.net wrote: >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Mike Jackson > > > >>Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) >> >> >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of hottest women ever. >Irv >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From spitlist at cox.net Wed Apr 4 15:26:59 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:26:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed References: <000f01c776fa$c28fbd10$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Message-ID: <00ee01c776ff$fafef760$84fea8c0@shop> Steven, Are you going to be in the desert anytime soon? If so, I know of a couple of them north of Tucson, AZ Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Groh" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed > Hello FoT, > > I am in desperate need for a Mk I, Mk II or Mk III STEEL bonnet for my 63 > Spitfire vintage racer to comply with SVRA requirements. The Zippo GP will be > here before I know it! Due to the lack of restoration shops in my area > (everyone just wants to do insurance claims) I am expanding my search for a > perfect bonnet (this means no rust, original, no bondo, no dents). I know > this sounds impossible, but I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for > perfection as it will save me money in the long run. Hopefully someone out > there knows someone who has one! I live in Annapolis, but will consider > anything within the Continental US! > > Any leads will be gratefully followed! Thanks! > > Steven Groh > 410-956-4988 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From niteseeker at aol.com Wed Apr 4 15:51:25 2007 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:51:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Driving Music Message-ID: <9e19cc4c51e70697bf03cec3aa671572@aol.com> Hey donot forget the Rhino records collection "Hot Rods & Custom Classics: Cruisin' Songs & Highway Hits" It comes in the Revelle model car box, with dice and some old decals From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Apr 4 16:31:00 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:31:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Message-ID: <001401c77708$ec5fe620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Anyone going to the VSCDA "Spring Brake" race and school at Gingerman? We plan to be there for Ryan to do the school. Tim From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 4 16:34:12 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:34:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 09:57 PM 4/3/2007, Mike Jackson wrote: >Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find >him...major slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. I assume that's the Jimmy Thackery that used to play guitar for the Nighthawks? That's another really good, somewhat obscure band. Another great guitarist from the DC area is Danny Gatton - his music has been re-released on CD. Do a google search... R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 4 18:58:50 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:58:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <461449CA.5060906@141.com> Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and you could definitely tell. Susan :) Jerry Barr wrote: > I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can > listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the > turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm > listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, > Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little > Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc > On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > >> <> >> >> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >> best. And >> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >> >> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >> >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >> band to >> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 18:35:17 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:35:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <20070405003336.A2526187A68@autox.team.net> While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. Most of my store bought CD's are closer to 15 songs. When on the road, I can't tell the difference between an MP-3 encoded at 128 bits or higher and the original source material, even when testing the power output limits of my stereo. At home, I can somewhat discern the difference between the vinyl, the CD and the MP-3. Even there, I can't tell the difference between a CD and a 192 bit encoded MP-3. But, it dramatically cuts down the file size from the original CD's wave file. I understand that there's another possible digital audio standard coming that has much higher encoding / sampling levels than the CD does. That'll be cool - I'll feel like I can leave the vinyl behind then. Not meaning to be critical or anything - I just want to educate why iPods are SO cool. - Tony At 02:15 PM 4/4/2007, Randall Young wrote: > > And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > > case. > >Largest Nano is 8 Gb, which is 12 CDs. Sounds like you need a bigger CD >case ! > >:^) >Randall >(Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 18:39:59 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:39:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> Message-ID: <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. I did burn up the bandwidth last night expanding my music collection. Jimmy Thackery ROCKS in a great blues way! Thanks, Mike. - Tony At 04:11 PM 4/4/2007, Ted Schumacher wrote: >Irv, to the "hot woman" list, please add Barbara Bain - Cinnamon Carter >on original Mission Impossible tv series. Ted > >emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > > >-------------- Original message -------------- > >From: Mike Jackson > > > > > > > >>Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with > the incredible Ms Peel) > >> > >> > >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list > of hottest women ever. > >Irv From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Apr 4 19:08:14 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:08:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> Message-ID: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's > (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using > MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will > play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of > it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At > 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so that's less than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a small price to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 19:15:06 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <20070405011329.C7334187A6D@autox.team.net> OK, I follow you now. I missed the MP-3 format on CD part... I do both. I've got a small CD case that has enough music in it to pretty much go coast to coast without a repeat. But, I load selected highlights into the shuffle to do the "random" thing. Plus, I've been downloading "podcasts" (or more accurately "netcasts"). Kinda the books on tape concept. (if you're into computer geek stuff, check out twit.tv) You can get ton of that content on your favorite MP-3 player. - Tony At 08:08 PM 4/4/2007, Randall Young wrote: >But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so that's less >than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a small price >to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of >electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). > >There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, >hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > >Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. From budscars at msn.com Wed Apr 4 19:32:24 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event Message-ID: <008901c77722$445e1b80$e48cb304@Bud> The entry list is up on the SCCA website for the vintage races April 21-22 at Laguna Seca..Looks like I'm the only Spitfire...Gary Horskorta is the lone TR4..Chas Turvey in a GT6..and a TR250 driven by Soulsby(I forgot the 1st name)..My group (3) has 30 cars..Group 2 has 19(Mi From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:34:49 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:34:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Different strokes for different folks. My music collection is 140GB of mostly 192 bit. After I get most of the music you folks have recommended it'll be something like 180GB I suspect. My iPod is a 60GB video ipod. I set up smart playlists that are about 60GB in size and rotate them into the iPod as the mood strikes. Sixty gigs is a lot of music. I also use it for video on airplanes--works fine except for all the people saying "how can you watch a movie on that little screen?". I've got software that converts DVDs into the iPod format. Lots of car radios these days have a good iPod interface that shows you the album, artist and song and let's you scan around. The cheap one I installed in Nero does that, but not the truck unfortunately. That's passenger duty usually, or if I'm alone, when I stop for gas I set up the playlist for the next 500 miles. There are too many wires in my life, it would be nice if there were less, but I find this an extremely handy way to carry and play a huge music music library, books on "tape", a dozen or so movies, and backup copies of articles I'm writing. I've got a waterproof case for it and even wear it surfing (Boz Scaggs, Chris Isaak or ZZTop are my favorites for surfing--so far). In fact at the end of the movie I stuck on my blog that shows a board's eye view of paddle surfing you can see the ipod strapped to my arm. http://www.ponohouse.com/ ponoblog/?p=249 Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Randall Young wrote: >> While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's >> (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using >> MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will >> play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of >> it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At >> 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. > > But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so > that's less > than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a > small price > to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of > electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). > > There's also something to be said for having the controls, and > display, > hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > > Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted > with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, > Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use > of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be > maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without > the written consent of the sender. 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I would appreciate anyone interested to visit, and comment on my efforts either in the blog, or through the list. If there is something I should talk about, or post about, let me know... I don't have the vast experience y'all do, so any guidance or "What the hell are you thinking, don't do that!" would be appreciated. I've reached out to a coupe FOT'ers on my recent seat dilemma, but if anyone else has an idea, I'm all ears... Thanks -Scott http://web.mac.com/srcypher From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 19:47:31 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:47:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tony Drews > Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" > thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. I think we have to give Mike Jackson the credit for this. All I did was follow Mike's lead: >From: Mike Jackson >Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with >the incredible Ms Peel) Not that I didn't take the ball and run with it. And yes, Ted. Barbara Bain belongs on that list. :-) Irv From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:45:50 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:45:50 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing In-Reply-To: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <54E4C048-BA0D-4D54-881C-5E83006F7589@bnj.com> Fair warning. I'm bringing a couple of stand up paddle surfboards with me on the All Aluminum Tour. I'm going to do my best to get some of you folks onto these things. Great fun, and the best and most painless exercise I've ever found. Well, painless while you're doing it anyway. Yesterday I surfed for about eight hours with just a little break for lunch. Hit the sack right after dinner. I hurt everywhere--thighs, calves, abdominals, shoulders, biceps. Even my teeth ached a bit. Slept like a baby. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:56:08 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:56:08 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Blog on my quest to go Triumph Racing In-Reply-To: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> References: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> Message-ID: <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> Nice blog Scott. I had never heard of shipwright's disease but I obviously have a fatal case--I'll be dead long before I get all the stuff I've taken apart back together. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > In an attempt to help focus myself despite my malady (shipwright's > disease), I've started a blog on my daily work to get my HP spit > pieced back together and get geared up for school later this year. > > I would appreciate anyone interested to visit, and comment on my > efforts either in the blog, or through the list. If there is > something I should talk about, or post about, let me know... > > I don't have the vast experience y'all do, so any guidance or "What > the hell are you thinking, don't do that!" would be appreciated. > > I've reached out to a coupe FOT'ers on my recent seat dilemma, but if > anyone else has an idea, I'm all ears... > > Thanks > -Scott > > > http://web.mac.com/srcypher > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:58:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:58:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0B36FB24-7EF9-4F08-95DD-0342B86CB89E@bnj.com> What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. She did terrible things to my young libido. For that matter the "legs" on Peter Gunn (Mary tyler Moore). On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:47 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Tony Drews > >> Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" >> thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. > I think we have to give Mike Jackson the credit for this. All I did > was follow Mike's lead: >> From: Mike Jackson >> Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with >> the incredible Ms Peel) > Not that I didn't take the ball and run with it. And yes, Ted. > Barbara Bain belongs on that list. > :-) > Irv > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From scypher at usa.com Wed Apr 4 20:03:37 2007 From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blog on my quest to go Triumph Racing In-Reply-To: <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> References: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1B5909A8-72C4-4A0B-AE66-3F6C47DFDB75@usa.com> Thanks, Bill. That assumes any of us afflicted can find all the parts that belong together. There's always that one piece I know I have, somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it... On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Nice blog Scott. I had never heard of shipwright's disease but I > obviously have a fatal case--I'll be dead long before I get all the > stuff I've taken apart back together. > > Bill Babcock From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 4 20:05:18 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:05:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: OK, here's what I've been listening to lately: John Hiatt Dave Alvin Toots and the Maytalls Burning Spear Jet (first CD) Teddy Bears Gorillaz Alison Krauss Heather Berry Hackensaw Boys King Wilkie Terri Allard Sly and the Family Stone Emmy Lou Harris Gillian Welch The Wailers Del McCoury Traffic The DeRailers Dwight Yoakum Bad Religion Rhonda Vincent The Tractors Social Distortion Yeah, I know, its kinda all over the place... R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 21:08:39 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bill Babcock What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. Barbara Feldon :-) From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 22:43:06 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:43:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4390DEC5-64ED-468E-A27B-1A272F4979CB@bnj.com> Ah, yes. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 5:08 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Bill Babcock > < SPAN c lass=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 14px > Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: > 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: > separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in- > effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> > What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. > > > > Barbara Feldon > > :-) From Herald948 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 21:52:03 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:52:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ryoung at navcomtech.com writes: There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. ==AM== Geez, I feel so totally out of it. Admittedly, I was intrigued to discover that my daughter's iPod, with some sort of transmitter/adapter, would play through my genuine Triumph-labeled AM/FM push-button radio in the Herald. Meanwhile, though, I finally got my first CD player NOT built into a computer, this past Christmas. Alas, since that genuine Triumph radio has no cassette player, I can't adapt the CD player to the (still positive ground, anyway) Triumph. Nor do I have an iPod of my own. Heck, when I first got the Herald in 2002 and drove it to Minnesota and back, I had to rely on only an AM radio. Tough to find interesting music on the AM band along the I-90 corridor.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Apr 5 01:41:14 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:41:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on Nurburgring roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <005401c77755$caa624c0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> The new LEMS racing car..... http://www.myvideo.de/watch/1166964 From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Thu Apr 5 05:52:22 2007 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:52:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Message-ID: Tim, I'll be there, though no Triumph this time. I will be continuing my quest to learn how in the heck to drive the Ginetta G-15. The 998cc of rear-engine and 1100 pounds of weight make for a car that needs to be driven just about exactly opposite of a TR4! I am leading the open-wheel group again this year at the drivers school as well as conducting the Thursday night classroom session. Looks like it's shaping up to be a big school this year. I look forward to seeing you there. John Houlton ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 5 06:30:28 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:30:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing In-Reply-To: <54E4C048-BA0D-4D54-881C-5E83006F7589@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A070A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> You're just trying to disable us in order to gain an advantage on the track. Ha! Like we'd fall for that. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:46 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing Fair warning. I'm bringing a couple of stand up paddle surfboards with me on the All Aluminum Tour. I'm going to do my best to get some of you folks onto these things. Great fun, and the best and most painless exercise I've ever found. Well, painless while you're doing it anyway. Yesterday I surfed for about eight hours with just a little break for lunch. Hit the sack right after dinner. I hurt everywhere--thighs, calves, abdominals, shoulders, biceps. Even my teeth ached a bit. Slept like a baby. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 07:17:34 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:17:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: M-M-M-M- Mrs Peel... She's still a hottie Aprops of nothing in particular... The name "Emma Peel" was taken from the casting process... While they were casting the part, they were searching for someone with "`M' (man) appeal" The name stuck... cheeky... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: emanteno at comcast.net >To: Mike Jackson , Don >Marshall, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Music >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:46:25 +0000 > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Mike Jackson > > > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the >incredible Ms Peel) >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of >hottest women ever. >Irv >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From deanesr at uncw.edu Thu Apr 5 08:09:38 2007 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:09:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (FoT) Fwd.Driving Music Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46405D7D4A0@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well I see we all enjoy good music but Brian Adams, The Cranberries, Fleetwood Mac and George Thorogood's " Bad to the Bone" when I get near the track does it for me. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Apr 5 08:31:14 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:31:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <020501c7778f$111843a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Ever bothered by people about you are driving a tracktor? For all TR 2-4 drivers...this is the revenge....the missing link that proofs that Triumphs CAN go fast..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapHhgnm6CQ From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 5 14:19:23 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:19:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <461449CA.5060906@141.com> Message-ID: <00a201c777bf$c60da3b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Given all the recent discussion of music and driving, I was not surprised to read Peter Egan's column in R&T this month (the one with the new M3 on the cover) talking about the connections between Rock & Roll and cars. However, his premise is that almost all R&R musicians are car buffs, but not all car buffs are R&R fans. Looking at the music choices you all have tee'd up, I am not sure whether to agree or disagree. Pretty fair smattering of Rock, but there seems to be a little bit of everything but opera on our lists. Worth a read, as his columns always are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Jerry Barr" Cc: ; "Barr, Scott" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and > they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in > the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't > realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues > from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and > you could definitely tell. > > Susan :) > > > Jerry Barr wrote: >> I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can >> listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the >> turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm >> listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, >> Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little >> Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: >> >> >>> <> >>> >>> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >>> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >>> best. And >>> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >>> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >>> >>> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >>> bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >>> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >>> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >>> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >>> band to >>> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> -- >>> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Apr 5 19:31:00 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangability Message-ID: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Fellow Spit owners and racers, Before I dive off the deep end (again), does anyone know if a Mk III bonnet will interchange with a Mk I and II? I think the front pivots are different, but will they be dimensionally the same? I think a fellow racer named Russ Moore may have done this. Anyone have a contact for him? Steve Groh 63 ex-Manning Spitfire From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 5 19:34:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:34:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangeability In-Reply-To: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> References: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Message-ID: <002e01c777eb$c0168630$16fea8c0@newcomputer> The main difference is in the hinge that is part of the inner frame structure. On the MK3 it is higher because the bumpers were raised. The sheet metal will interchange as long as you have the correct inner frame. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Groh Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:31 PM To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangability Fellow Spit owners and racers, Before I dive off the deep end (again), does anyone know if a Mk III bonnet will interchange with a Mk I and II? I think the front pivots are different, but will they be dimensionally the same? I think a fellow racer named Russ Moore may have done this. Anyone have a contact for him? Steve Groh 63 ex-Manning Spitfire _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Fri Apr 6 09:37:00 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BD3A8FFB23343E9ACCF6BC100E48F82@SohlPC> We have a local "pea powered" AM station (1510) within a couple miles of us that plays nothing but oldies all afternoon. I have an old AM auto radio from a Dodge with a 6x9 speaker set up in my garage with a 12v power adapter and its the best way to listen to 50s/60s R&R. The station is WRNJ and it does have an internet live capability if you're curious. The host DJ is "Doc South" who is on every weekday from about Noon to 4pm and also Saturday mornings. Doc does a great deal of DJing during the summer crusie nigt gatherings in my area...Northwest NJ. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ryoung at navcomtech.com writes: > > There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, > hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > > Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. > > > > ==AM== > Geez, I feel so totally out of it. Admittedly, I was intrigued to discover > that my daughter's iPod, with some sort of transmitter/adapter, would play > through my genuine Triumph-labeled AM/FM push-button radio in the Herald. > Meanwhile, though, I finally got my first CD player NOT built into a > computer, this > past Christmas. Alas, since that genuine Triumph radio has no cassette > player, I can't adapt the CD player to the (still positive ground, anyway) > Triumph. Nor do I have an iPod of my own. > > Heck, when I first got the Herald in 2002 and drove it to Minnesota and > back, I had to rely on only an AM radio. Tough to find interesting music > on the > AM band along the I-90 corridor.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, > Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Apr 6 13:32:41 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bill Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 Paul From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Apr 6 16:28:56 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: > Bill > > Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S > TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR inside that thing. Plus it's really "in the weeds". Wicked ride, man. > Paul rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Fri Apr 6 16:45:04 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything References: Message-ID: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result in reducing the ground clearance ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Paul MacDonald" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything > On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: > >> Bill >> >> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 > > Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR > inside that thing. > > Plus it's really "in the weeds". > > Wicked ride, man. > >> Paul > > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Apr 6 18:51:06 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:51:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> References: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> Message-ID: <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> What ground clearance??? Don Elliott wrote: > If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result in reducing > the ground clearance ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Paul MacDonald" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything > > > >> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>> Bill >>> >>> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >>> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 >>> >> Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR >> inside that thing. >> >> Plus it's really "in the weeds". >> >> Wicked ride, man. >> >> >>> Paul >>> >> rml >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From budscars at msn.com Fri Apr 6 17:50:51 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:50:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Message-ID: <001d01c778a6$69ee07e0$8d83b304@Bud> Hello Gang...Where can I obtain all steel head gasket for my 1296cc Spitfire?.or..What if not available..what is the best alternative? Thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, ca. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Apr 6 19:32:24 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:32:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070406213207.01e0c910@blacksburg.net> Amici, It is my pleasure to nominate Leigh Derby to our throng. He's a Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. I had the pleasure seeing his Spitfire first hand a few years ago - very nice machine. His address is leighderby at earthlink.net Do I hear a second? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 6 19:59:31 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743CE7FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri Apr 06 20:32:24 2007 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Amici, It is my pleasure to nominate Leigh Derby to our throng. He's a Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. I had the pleasure seeing his Spitfire first hand a few years ago - very nice machine. His address is leighderby at earthlink.net Do I hear a second? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 6 20:03:10 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:03:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743CE7FF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hey Bud. I've had pretty good luck with the black, rubbery-coated composite gaskets. I think (late on a Friday) that they're Paen gaskets. Try SpitBits, order the "OEM" gasket. I was changing head gasket far too often until I started using those. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri Apr 06 18:50:51 2007 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Hello Gang...Where can I obtain all steel head gasket for my 1296cc Spitfire?.or..What if not available..what is the best alternative? Thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, ca. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Apr 6 20:08:30 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: You know, just because your face is in Kas's book doesn't make you reputable...I should know! Err, wait. Never mind. Steve, no! Roger; Roger Evets > Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, > you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Fri Apr 6 21:29:08 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:29:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination Message-ID: I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's looking to turn into a vintage racer.... Chad writes: As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in 500 miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. I have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support my habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket book but really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, but we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Apr 6 23:48:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:48:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070407054639.4D13F187A3A@autox.team.net> I'll second! - Tony Drews At 10:29 PM 4/6/2007, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: >I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's >looking to turn into a vintage racer.... > >Chad writes: > >As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in 500 >miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar >with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. I >have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support my >habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket >book but >really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL > > >Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, but >we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps >he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? > >--Andy Mace > >*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph >Herald engine with wings. >-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > >Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald >Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2172 (20070407) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From KLynch7589 at aol.com Fri Apr 6 23:48:58 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:48:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination Message-ID: I'm in, he seems alright despite his illness... Kev Lynch RMVR ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Apr 7 05:42:51 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:42:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious References: Message-ID: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Out of the underground.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 07:26:44 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination References: <20070407054639.4D13F187A3A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801c77918$62fd9370$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Welcome Chad. I am glad Andy nominated you - I meant to after we traded emails but Andy got to it first. Always glad to have another GT6 racer in the fold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination > I'll second! > > - Tony Drews > > At 10:29 PM 4/6/2007, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: >>I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's >>looking to turn into a vintage racer.... >> >>Chad writes: >> >>As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in >>500 >>miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar >>with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. >>I >>have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support >>my >>habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket >>book but >>really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL >> >> >>Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, >>but >>we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps >>he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? >> >>--Andy Mace >> >>*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >>*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, >>Triumph >>Herald engine with wings. >>-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >>Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >>Herald >>Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) >> >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2172 (20070407) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 09:24:37 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music -Text to Speach angle In-Reply-To: <0BBA3C53-CA21-4BCC-9659-B02D592F47B2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <673708.11186.qm@web90305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another angle; I just completed a run at an MBA and discovered text-to-speach programs with the AT&T voices. Personally I like "Crystal" to read to me, definitely worth the additional cost!!! It was a great way to reduce downloaded articles and anything in virtually any format to audio using a laptop. I even ran it through the stereo as I have a 50 min drive to work each way. Turned 10 hours a week of down time to study time. Coupled with a Sprint type of Cellular internet card for the laptop and it will even read all the drivel we post from your Outlook emails while you motor. Its completely compatible with Outlook and will work through your email. Cheers, Mark Eginton at a new email address... Bill Babcock wrote: As soon as i get to it I'm going to put a "Books on Tape and Paper" section on the blog too. Diane and I are both voracious readers and listen to books on long drives when we aren't doing music. The ultimate, in my mind, is "Snows of Kilimanjaro" read by Charlton Heston. Short, but an absolute must a few times in your life. I should explain perhaps that I'm a longtime iPOD junkie and while my CD collection still exists, I listen to music and books on tape via various MP3 players. Audible.com is a great source for MP3 version of books. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). > > I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that > will handle MP3 > files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. > That way you > can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having > 5 or more > discs per book. > > And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles > fly by, but I > find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more > rested (and > a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the > parking lot, > listening to the end of a chapter ! > > FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by > Tom Robbins. > Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich > are some of > my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really > well too, > towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 7 11:32:03 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:32:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> References: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> Message-ID: What a rig. I like it a lot, but if I get one more project without finishing one I'll need a new place to live. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > What ground clearance??? > > Don Elliott wrote: >> If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result >> in reducing >> the ground clearance ? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert M. Lang" >> To: "Paul MacDonald" >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>>> ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >>>> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 >>>> >>> Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably >>> fit a TR >>> inside that thing. >>> >>> Plus it's really "in the weeds". >>> >>> Wicked ride, man. >>> >>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>> rml >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for >>> rent >>> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >>> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 7 12:33:57 2007 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil Message-ID: <223419.35895.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was confused over the many posts on the oil (zinc) controversy. Is valveline racing oil still usuable? From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sat Apr 7 14:46:10 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:46:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Continued Message-ID: <20070407.144611.-210411.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? Thanks, Bill From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 15:09:07 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Virtual Engine Dyno Professional In-Reply-To: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <127857.92359.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone mess with this program with TRs? Apparently its quite accurate for High Performance V8's etc. I was impressed with the ability to input actual products and see how performance changes. My machinist uses it quite regularly for circle track and mud racers("Woodchucks" he calls them) out here - he doesn't do much foreign... BTW he told me about a fuel regulator all the guys out at Watkins Glen are using that has a vacume line to the intake manifold. Apparently there is a long downhill stretch with a tight corner at the bottom - vibration, downshifting etc tends to dump raw fuel into the manifold killing the hole shot out of the corner (again we are probably talking Holleys here). This regulator stops that by cutting fuel pressure off-throttle... Is this a common gadget, he could not remember the manufacturer,,, Mark Eginton http://www.virtualengine2000.com/DynoOverview.htm --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Apr 7 15:41:30 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:41:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E97@server.Triumph.local> Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. Anybody have one they could fax to me? Thanks! Henry Frye 860-653-3118 fax From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 7 16:44:35 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:44:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? Message-ID: <20070407.154509.890.2035564@webmail03.nyc.untd.com> I have one and will fax it to you. Joe(B) -- "Henry Frye" wrote: Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. Anybody have one they could fax to me? Thanks! Henry Frye 860-653-3118 fax _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Apr 7 16:48:01 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:48:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious In-Reply-To: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD bins at Walmart. I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage is incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. I still have two unopenned ones. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious > Out of the underground.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 7 16:48:19 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:48:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] Virtual Engine Dyno Professional Message-ID: <20070407.154918.890.2035593@webmail03.nyc.untd.com> That corner at WGI sounds like the toe of the boot, but I have never found it problematic with SU's or Webers. Joe(B) -- mark eginton wrote: Anyone mess with this program with TRs? Apparently its quite accurate for High Performance V8's etc. I was impressed with the ability to input actual products and see how performance changes. My machinist uses it quite regularly for circle track and mud racers("Woodchucks" he calls them) out here - he doesn't do much foreign... BTW he told me about a fuel regulator all the guys out at Watkins Glen are using that has a vacume line to the intake manifold. Apparently there is a long downhill stretch with a tight corner at the bottom - vibration, downshifting etc tends to dump raw fuel into the manifold killing the hole shot out of the corner (again we are probably talking Holleys here). This regulator stops that by cutting fuel pressure off-throttle... Is this a common gadget, he could not remember the manufacturer,,, Mark Eginton http://www.virtualengine2000.com/DynoOverview.htm --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 7 17:09:17 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:09:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious References: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> Message-ID: <01a801c77969$c497acf0$690fc548@RWKastner> Some of that footage looks a lot like the first Pebble Beach course thru the trees on the 17 Mile Drive in the Del Monte forest. The last race there was in 1956, I was an entrant. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sohl To: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD bins at Walmart. I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage is incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. I still have two unopenned ones. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious > Out of the underground.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 17:47:10 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:47:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious In-Reply-To: <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> Message-ID: >About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD >bins at Walmart. >I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage >is >incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. > >I still have two unopenned ones. > >Cheers, >Bill Sohl When Biography did Roger Corman's life, he talked about this film. I think he said that it was only about the second film one he made. He said that they didn't hire stunt drivers; the crew drove the cars themselves. Corman said that he was driving a Jag and that the scene called for Corman to slow down in a turn so a Porsche could pass him, but that the pass didn't occur in the first cut because Corman didn't slow down enough. Well time must dim memories because in that scene, Corman is driving a TR2 or 3 and is passed by a Jowett Jupiter! Bet he had to slow a lot for that scene! John From trhouse at greenapple.com Sat Apr 7 18:33:13 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:33:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious and more!!! References: Message-ID: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> http://www.library.appstate.edu/stockcar/movies.html John Herrera wrote: From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Apr 8 07:27:39 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:27:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam card received In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E97@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> Got it, thanks to all who responded, especially Joe Boruch who found the time during this busy family holiday weekend to locate his card and fax it over. > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Frye > Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? > > Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. > > Anybody have one they could fax to me? From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Apr 8 13:20:56 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire racecar on Ebay Message-ID: <151973.48493.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are any listers bidding on the Spitfire racecar, item 260101404672, on Ebay? I'm asking because this is an old car of mine. As a matter of fact, the very first racecar I built and ran. If any of you are bidding, and want to know anything about it email me off list and I'll fill you in. The selling agent doesn't seem to know very much about the car. I've prepped it for the current owner, who has decided he doesn't care to race it. If any of you are bidding, good luck, you will surely enjoy the car. Thanks - Ed From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Apr 8 15:51:44 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:51:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: In a message dated 4/8/2007 11:02:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P > additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? > Thanks, > Bill Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by our engines. ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. Rgds Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 16:29:46 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <552944.24401.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Years traveling on an expense account applied through a 1/2 inch breaker-bar (no extra leverage needed) after a good marinade of penetrating oil for a week combined with a tubba-4 backstop inside the engine block made for a relatively uneventful closure of my issue. Thanks to all so very much for sage advice and commiseration. Gotta love garage time when you got a house full of chocolate fortified youngsters... Best and thanks again, M --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Apr 8 17:46:50 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down References: <552944.24401.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c77a38$2e4a0a70$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Took me a moment to figure out the expense account bit, but I get it . . . succinctly and eloquently put! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down > Years traveling on an expense account applied through a 1/2 inch > breaker-bar (no extra leverage needed) after a good marinade of > penetrating oil for a week combined with a tubba-4 backstop inside the > engine block made for a relatively uneventful closure of my issue. > > Thanks to all so very much for sage advice and commiseration. > > Gotta love garage time when you got a house full of chocolate fortified > youngsters... > > Best and thanks again, > > M > > > > --------------------------------- > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Apr 9 08:40:00 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: The Car Racers Newsletter special update...22] Message-ID: <461A503A.905AC238@greenapple.com> Return-Path: Received: from mx5.greenapple.com (root at mx5.greenapple.com [198.144.72.54]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l39530gO006038 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fakemail1.lax.untd.com (m17.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.80]) by mx5.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id l3951DCP013512 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fakemail1.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m17.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDBVUC8A3L2NYS for (sender ); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:00:14 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: YhgDrkXqknf1g/UTKSrbmrc1EJgVWJO1/k9PUmK0PO3UKIlPdDs8Ew== Received: (from rnparks2 at juno.com) by m17.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MJU2FGWD; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:59:32 PDT To: Rnparks2 at juno.com Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:58:45 -0700 Subject: The Car Racers Newsletter special update...22 Message-ID: <20070408.215847.10708.21.Rnparks2 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 25-6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26-27,29,31,33,35,37,39-32767 From: Richard N Parks X-ContentStamp: 12:6:3993908832 X-MAIL-INFO: 0cf55c7cadf5a828a8d1d9a81818dd08853dcddc3c8135cd854939357ccd8575996899bc9d385d1c251ca18c6ca12578e92578e9bc599168d5c9f888f1698898c16548896955a54cbd1d2c2c1da5e199a539583d8908456558e98c25b17d55ece5e5b19db12901 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|fakemail1.lax.untd.com|rnparks2 at juno.com X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.057, required 4, autolearn=disabled, HTML_30_40 0.06, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: rnparks2 at juno.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain 1) Robert E. Petersen, founder of Petersen Publishing (Hot Rod Magazine, Motor Trend) passed away on March 23, 2007. A Celebration of Life was held on March 29 at the Petersen Automotive Museum. (Story available) 2) The 15th California Racers Reunion will be held on May 6th, 2007 in Southern California. 3) Congratulations to Scott G. Parks, grandson of Wally Parks, on passing his California State bar exam. 4) Joe MacPherson passed away on March 30, 2007. MacPherson owned many car dealerships and fielded a racecar at the Indy 500. Joe's Garage (museum) in Tustin, (CA) hosts many banquets and car club functions. 5) Best wishes for a speedy recovery to Lynn Wineland, longtime Petersen Publishing employee. 6) The Cruisin' For a Cure raffle car will be at the Long Beach Grand Prix, April 13-15, in the Firestone booth for the weekend. You can buy tickets for the drawing. Proceeds go for prostate cancer research. 7) Mary Mondello sends us word that Joe Mondello is recovering from major back surgery performed on March 29, but intends to be back porting and teaching in about a month. 8) Auto racing book and movie reviews are available at www.hotrodhotline.com and www.oilstick.com. If you have written a book or produced a move/video, send requests for reviews to me or to the websites. Readers, please support our auto/boat/motorcycle/racing authors and historians. They keep the sport alive for us. 9) Jack McAfee, a sprint car and road course driver, passed away on March 10, 2007. www.jackmcafee.com 10) Glen Barrett, Chief timer at Bonneville for many years, had by-pass surgery April 5th in Washington, Utah. He is recovering and will be home in a few days. (from Glenn Freudenberger) From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:33:16 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:33:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link Message-ID: Yes .....l but the best thing is when you hooooooof past them in 2nd od, ..... towing the plough .... The healeys HATE that ..... Long live the TR4! Happy easter TR men ..... Best regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 05/04/07 15:31 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link Ever bothered by people about you are driving a tracktor? For all TR 2-4 drivers...this is the revenge....the missing link that proofs that Triumphs CAN go fast..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapHhgnm6CQ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:59:08 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:59:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: I never seem to have the right song, at the right place ..., at the right time .... ! "Bealzebub has a devil set aside for me ... For me .. For me ....!" "I never see the hidden cuve until its way too late .... " "Bury the throttle, my honey twists and growls, the flag is mine, all mine .." push my TRIUMPH to the line" Its only rock and roll ...... But I like it! Best regards for Easter Chaps! Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 05/04/07 21:19 Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music Given all the recent discussion of music and driving, I was not surprised to read Peter Egan's column in R&T this month (the one with the new M3 on the cover) talking about the connections between Rock & Roll and cars. However, his premise is that almost all R&R musicians are car buffs, but not all car buffs are R&R fans. Looking at the music choices you all have tee'd up, I am not sure whether to agree or disagree. Pretty fair smattering of Rock, but there seems to be a little bit of everything but opera on our lists. Worth a read, as his columns always are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Jerry Barr" Cc: ; "Barr, Scott" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and > they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in > the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't > realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues > from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and > you could definitely tell. > > Susan :) > > > Jerry Barr wrote: >> I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can >> listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the >> turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm >> listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, >> Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little >> Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: >> >> >>> <> >>> >>> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >>> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >>> best. And >>> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >>> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >>> >>> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >>> bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >>> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >>> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >>> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >>> band to >>> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> -- >>> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 9 13:36:56 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:36:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: From the AllAluminumTour blog: Similarly to the thread on music, I'm looking for help on books to read and books to listen to on this long, long trip. Since this list is intended to help me, let me tell you a few of the things that i already have covered. Patrick O'Brian--still can't believe he died on me. Thoughtless of him. I consider him to be one of the best writers in the english language. I have numerous full sets of his Aubrey/Maturin books, including everything on tape. Bernard Cornwall--got everything, waiting for him to write more, though I've only tried one book on tape as a download from Audible. Didn't really like it, can't say why. Rex Stout--hey, the trailer is named Nero. Rex has been gone a long time, I think I've read every word he published, and got most of them on tape. Hemingway, Robert Ruark, Peter Capstick, Peter Mayle--got 'em, read 'em, perhaps too many times. I'm waiting for my memory to go completely so I can enjoy them all fresh and new. Science Fiction--I'm a little burned out on the genre, the result of 50+ years of voraciously reading the great, the good, the OK and the really crappy. The last good SF book I found was Vernor Venge, "Fire Upon the Deep" and even he couldn't repeat the depth. I've read David Weber's stuff, but I always feel a little stupid slogging through the formulaic dreck. William Gibson seems to have quit writing, Neil Stephenson is on autopilot. My particular likes are historical fiction, science, anything to do with cars or motorcycles, the occasional detective stuff, anything hemingway-esque. Maybe that's the problem, I need to consider some new directions. What are you reading, what do you love, what books on tape are particularly great. I note that the reader is important for books on tape. Who'd have thunk that Bert Reynolds would be a GREAT book on tape voice, even though he can't pronounce "library". Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 8, 2007, at 3:27 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > Got it, thanks to all who responded, especially Joe Boruch who > found the > time during this busy family holiday weekend to locate his card and > fax > it over. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Henry Frye >> Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? >> >> Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. >> >> Anybody have one they could fax to me? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 9 12:39:57 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <200704091839.l39IdvJ2021943@moose.dimebank.com> > > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, > > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P > > additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? > > Thanks, > > Bill > > Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by our > engines. > ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. Well ... some do, some don't. http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html has a nice table of what oils contain what levels of ZDDP, and indicate the base stock, too. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 9 14:40:06 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:40:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FE6B156-3102-46D1-8C74-F15FC6CD84C6@bnj.com> I agree entirely about the Dudley Pope books. I've read most of the Alexander Kent/Bolitho books, but he's pretty dreary and repetitive. Needs a better editor (don't we all). Haven't read them all. A friend gave me a complete set for my birthday. I've also read all of C.S. Forester, especially the Hornblower series. By the way, a little plug for B.S. Levy directed to the two or three FOT guys that haven't read him. Do so. But speaking of guys that need an editor, the last book was both delightful and irritating. No one can edit their own copy past second draft. By that time every word is a drop of blood, and hard to toss. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 9, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I can't recall if we ever covered the topic, but have you read any > of the > Dudley Pope Ramage! novels? They're a cut ahead of Alexander Kent > but not > quite as good as Aubrey/Maturin. > > Anything else I might suggest is surely on your "read it already > list". I > have a stack of books that I've had no time to read. Included on > the list > are everything from O'brian after Ionian Mission. I know there's at > least > 10 more on that pile. > > But Ramage is great fun indeed. > > I don't suppose you've read Doug Nye's book on Senna. From the parts I > scanned, I shelled out about $50 for that one, hardcover and all. > > regards, > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 13:48:31 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Main Seals Message-ID: <774184.86066.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen this question asked before but for the life of me I can't find the thread in the archives. Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? Mark Eginton '57 TR3 --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 9 14:14:56 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:14:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Main Seals Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:48:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dobrosailor at yahoo.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Apr 9 14:18:11 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> <7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> Message-ID: <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody else: > >Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the >art of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great >story of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics >to the principles of military strategy. No kidding. > >Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation >of the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. > >Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A >Bomb. Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by >Richard Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from >Road Atlanta a couple of years ago. > >Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't >remember the title. Richard - Joe? Title? > >How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >civilized world at the time of Christ. > >Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >the sensation of driving a race car at speed. > >Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator >funded virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in >Afganistan, funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all >through the back channels of government, with never a vote and never >an approval. Spent a lot of the government's dough on himself and >his lady friends, too. > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 9 14:37:16 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:37:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Main Seals clarification Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Apr 9 14:55:16 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:55:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape Message-ID: <31965909.8773821176152116765.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> Hello Bill, A couple of books I have read recently that I can recommend. "First Light" is the wartime memoir of Geoffrey Wellum who joined the RAF as a flying cadet at the age of 17 1/2 and was flying Spitfires in the Battle of Britain before he was 19. He does a wonderful job of describing both the shear joy of flying as well as the chaos and terror of aerial combat. It's one of the best books I have read in years. Another fascinating book I am now reading is "The Grand Prix Saboteurs" by Joe Saward. This is the true story of pre-war Grand Prix drivers William Grover-Williams, Robert Benoist and Jean-Pierre Wimille who worked for the British SOE in France during the war. Saward spent 18 years researching the story. It's one of those true stories that reads like fiction. It does suffer from some poor editing and can be a bit hard to follow in that the author seems to switch back and forth between using the agents real names and their code names. But it is a fantastic story. Another book I enjoyed on vacation was "Touch Wood" by Duncan Hamilton. Hamilton was a gentleman racer and Jaguar works driver who won the 1953 24hrs of Le Mans. To say that the man knew how to have fun is a serious understatement. You will laugh out loud guarnteed! I don't know if it is still in print but used copies are around. Cheers, Kurt Oblinger >From: Bill Babcock >Date: 2007/04/09 Mon PM 02:36:56 CDT >To: FOT Triumph , mgVR at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape > From the AllAluminumTour blog: > >Similarly to the thread on music, I'm looking for help on books to >read and books to listen to on this long, long trip. Since this list >is intended to help me, let me tell you a few of the things that i >already have covered. > >Patrick O'Brian--still can't believe he died on me. Thoughtless of >him. I consider him to be one of the best writers in the english >language. I have numerous full sets of his Aubrey/Maturin books, >including everything on tape. > >Bernard Cornwall--got everything, waiting for him to write more, >though I've only tried one book on tape as a download from Audible. >Didn't really like it, can't say why. > >Rex Stout--hey, the trailer is named Nero. Rex has been gone a long >time, I think I've read every word he published, and got most of them >on tape. > >Hemingway, Robert Ruark, Peter Capstick, Peter Mayle--got 'em, read >'em, perhaps too many times. I'm waiting for my memory to go >completely so I can enjoy them all fresh and new. > >Science Fiction--I'm a little burned out on the genre, the result of >50+ years of voraciously reading the great, the good, the OK and the >really crappy. The last good SF book I found was Vernor Venge, "Fire >Upon the Deep" and even he couldn't repeat the depth. I've read >David Weber's stuff, but I always feel a little stupid slogging >through the formulaic dreck. William Gibson seems to have quit >writing, Neil Stephenson is on autopilot. > >My particular likes are historical fiction, science, anything to do >with cars or motorcycles, the occasional detective stuff, anything >hemingway-esque. Maybe that's the problem, I need to consider some >new directions. What are you reading, what do you love, what books on >tape are particularly great. I note that the reader is important for >books on tape. Who'd have thunk that Bert Reynolds would be a GREAT >book on tape voice, even though he can't pronounce "library". > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Apr 9 14:52:58 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:52:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run time. Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street applications? On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Bill On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Chris Kantarjiev writes: > > > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam > applications, > > > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn > & P > > > additives, or do they require it at levels below government > scrutiny? > > > Thanks, > > > Bill > > > > Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by > our > > engines. > > ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. > > Well ... some do, some don't. > > http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html has a nice table > of what oils contain what levels of ZDDP, and indicate > the base stock, too. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 9 15:13:08 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. All oils, synthetic or otherwise, have Zn & P in them. Always have. Different brands have different additive packages, and thus provide different results. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Nothing has been made illegal. The EPA specifications for the named service levels have changed, and oil manufacturers that want to meet the latest service level (SM, or CJ-4 for diesels), are reducing the amount of Zn and P, as described at http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html Flat tappet engines want higher levels (at least 1000 ppm, perhaps at least 1200 ppm). So look for an oil that has that much. Or use GM's EOS to supplement the levels in the oil that you love. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 9 15:15:24 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, William G Rosenbach wrote: > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. I can't comment on this one. No direct experience. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? okay - an important distinction is required here. The reduction of ZPPD in the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec with reduced ZDDP is API SM. Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating the reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I personally have no idea if this the case or not. So, if you want oil with ZDDP, look for oils graded API SG. Higher than SG (for example SM) API rating means reduced ZDDP. In the ones right after SG the reduction is smaller in some brands than others. Motorcycle oil and certain racing oils still have the ZDDP. The terms that are used like "illegal for street use" are marketing hyperbole. > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? It's important to understand that in the US, all cars have had cats since the mid-70's (please don't flame me about early 80's Hondas having no cats). The point is that the vast majority of on-the-road cars in the US have cats or were equipped with them from the factory. Any of these catalyst equipped vehicles will have been effected by the presence of the ZDDP (and other stuff). The move to sell over the counter products to consumers is not aimed at us - that is racers and old car buffs - and if nothing else changes the availability of the earlier API rated products and products labelled "for off-road-use-only" should not change in the near-term. The new API rated oils are meant for Joe Consumer and his cat-equipped grocery getter. > Bill regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Apr 9 16:35:22 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:35:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> So the latest API certification is sort of a step back in oil function for our applications. I can see where they would try to keep the EPA at bay. Looks as if the synthetics are not THE answer to all our problems. Thanks all for the input, Bill On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) "Robert M. Lang" writes: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, William G Rosenbach wrote: > > > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. > Hearing from > > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after > extended run > > time. > > I can't comment on this one. No direct experience. > > > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > > applications? > > okay - an important distinction is required here. The reduction of > ZPPD in > the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the > American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec with > reduced > ZDDP is API SM. > > Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating > the > reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I personally > have no > idea if this the case or not. > > So, if you want oil with ZDDP, look for oils graded API SG. Higher > than SG > (for example SM) API rating means reduced ZDDP. In the ones right > after SG > the reduction is smaller in some brands than others. > > Motorcycle oil and certain racing oils still have the ZDDP. The > terms that > are used like "illegal for street use" are marketing hyperbole. > > > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? > > It's important to understand that in the US, all cars have had cats > since > the mid-70's (please don't flame me about early 80's Hondas having > no > cats). The point is that the vast majority of on-the-road cars in > the US > have cats or were equipped with them from the factory. Any of these > catalyst equipped vehicles will have been effected by the presence > of the > ZDDP (and other stuff). The move to sell over the counter products > to > consumers is not aimed at us - that is racers and old car buffs - > and if > nothing else changes the availability of the earlier API rated > products > and products labelled "for off-road-use-only" should not change in > the > near-term. The new API rated oils are meant for Joe Consumer and > his > cat-equipped grocery getter. > > > Bill > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for > rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: > 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Apr 9 16:38:40 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: References: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <031201c77af7$d2597fa0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > okay - an important distinction is required here. The > reduction of ZPPD in > the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the > American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec > with reduced > ZDDP is API SM. > > Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating the > reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I > personally have no > idea if this the case or not. Just curious, Bob ... can you think of any other reason why the API would all of a sudden start specifying oil composition, rather than performance ? The EPA may not have mandated it directly but there is no doubt in my mind that's where this rule originated. If by no other means than the EPA's insistence that emission controls (like catalytic converters) should last the life of the car. They still want to weld our hoods shut. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 9 17:11:50 2007 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:11:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local><7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <004001c77afc$7450d430$6501a8c0@RTA> Finding and retrieving the P-38 "Glacier Girl" out of the Greenland Ice Cap Book: "The Lost Squadron" by David Hayes. This covers the first 11 years of search and extraction of aircraft from glacier (250' deep). History Channel Special: "The Hunt for the Lost Squadron." 70 min DVD. This covers the full 22 years including first flight. Note: The P-38 is in Chino preparing to fly to England this summer to complete the mission it started in 1942. I'm working on getting a friend's B-17, to fly escort on the mission. If I can make this happen I might get some serious B-17 left seat time. I've only flown a B-17 one time and I gotta tell you, it makes a DC-3 feel like a Bonanza. As hard as I would try, I could not get it to fly hands-off. Nor could my instructor. It is distractingly loud and control responses take a serious measure of patience. I cannot imagine what it would be like @ gross @ 35,000 ft....with bad guys in quick little Bf's using you for recommendations for Iron Crosses. Richard Taylor, -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:18 PM To: Bill Babcock; FOT Triumph; mgVR at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Books and books on tape At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody else: > >Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the art >of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great story >of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics to the >principles of military strategy. No kidding. > >Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation of >the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. > >Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A Bomb. >Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by Richard >Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from Road Atlanta a >couple of years ago. > >Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't remember >the title. Richard - Joe? Title? > >How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >civilized world at the time of Christ. > >Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >the sensation of driving a race car at speed. > >Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator funded >virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in Afganistan, >funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all through the back >channels of government, with never a vote and never an approval. Spent >a lot of the government's dough on himself and his lady friends, too. > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Apr 9 19:40:59 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay group...I'm going to add another variable to the formula. This past week I had two new flat tappet engines to break-in; an 87mm TR3 engine and a '69 Vette with a 383 stroker in a four bolt main block with roller rockers but a flat tappet cam. So I drive my happy butt to my Chevy dealer and buy two bottles ( 1 pint each) of EOS at $10.00 a pint. Has anyone else on the list read the instructions on the bottle? They tell you to pour the contents of the bottle over the bearings, cam, lifters, rockers, etc. They then throw into the equation that EOS is not to be used as an oil additive. HELLO, what did I just do? The only thing I can figure (sarcasm here folks) is that if I pour in the EOS first, then the oil, the EOS isn't an oil additive, the oil is an EOS additive! Are they trying to tell me not to use it during oil changes? Should I only run it during break-in? Are they only playing a terrible hoax on us meant to suck the cash from the pockets of simple minded people. ( I resemble the comment). Thanks - Ed Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. All oils, synthetic or otherwise, have Zn & P in them. Always have. Different brands have different additive packages, and thus provide different results. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Nothing has been made illegal. The EPA specifications for the named service levels have changed, and oil manufacturers that want to meet the latest service level (SM, or CJ-4 for diesels), are reducing the amount of Zn and P, as described at http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html Flat tappet engines want higher levels (at least 1000 ppm, perhaps at least 1200 ppm). So look for an oil that has that much. Or use GM's EOS to supplement the levels in the oil that you love. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Apr 9 20:04:11 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070410020238.B6DCF187A2F@autox.team.net> I'm sure they are assuming that it is being used in a modern, cat-equipped car. They don't want you to cook your cat by adding it to the oil with each change, I would assume. With the disclaimer, they are disavowing any responsibility for its use as an additive. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a good additive package, just that it's not the "intended" use. I'm somewhat intrigued by their recommendation to coat the cylinder walls with the stuff. I our cars, I suspect that the rings would have a hard time seating with that treatment. - Tony At 08:40 PM 4/9/2007, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: >Okay group...I'm going to add another variable to the formula. This >past week I had two new flat tappet engines to break-in; an 87mm TR3 >engine and a '69 Vette with a 383 stroker in a four bolt main block >with roller rockers but a flat tappet cam. So I drive my happy butt >to my Chevy dealer and buy two bottles ( 1 pint each) of EOS at >$10.00 a pint. Has anyone else on the list read the instructions on >the bottle? They tell you to pour the contents of the bottle over >the bearings, cam, lifters, rockers, etc. They then throw into the >equation that EOS is not to be used as an oil additive. HELLO, what >did I just do? The only thing I can figure (sarcasm here folks) is >that if I pour in the EOS first, then the oil, the EOS isn't an oil >additive, the oil is an EOS additive! Are they trying to tell me not >to use it during oil changes? Should I only run it during break-in? >Are they only playing a terrible hoax on us meant to suck the cash >from the pockets of simple minded people. ( > I resemble the comment). > Thanks - Ed From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Apr 9 21:02:02 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:02:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <000e01c77b1c$9d8fb490$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 Bidding has ended for this item Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. View larger picture Winning bid: US $3,952.00 Make no payments for 3 months Apply -------------------------------------------------------- Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT Shipping costs: Check item description and payment instructions Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of s.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of fa4c_2.JPG] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 9 21:29:34 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <461B049E.9030106@bradakis.com> If interested, April 21st at Bailey's we'll be having a tech session with the local Salt Lake area Redline Oil rep. I'm sure he'll be willing to chat with folks about their concerns, stop on by around 11 am. We're also having a swap meet and potluck picnic that day, so it should be a fun time. See you there! mjb. From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Apr 9 23:12:29 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:12:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c77b2e$d6e432e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Here's my suggestions. Joe Guinan ---------------------------------- Cars/Motorcycles? - "Zen and The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance", by Robert M. Pirsig - which is only about motorcycles on the surface. It's also about Philosophy, Rhetoric, a descent in to madness and climbing back out, and the qualities of being "square". History? - "The Orientalist" by Tom Reiss. About a wealthy Jewish young man born in Baku, Azerbaijan and covering the years leading up to WWII. While living in Germany, he escaped persecution and became a best selling author by pretending to be a Muslim Prince. Fairly quick read, and interesting slice of history from that part of the world and that time period. Sci/Fi - I always have to recommend Frank Herbert's stuff, and not the "Dune" works. "The Dosadi Experiment", "Whipping Star", "The Jesus Incident", and "Soul Catcher" are some I remember fondly. I still pick up some of Asimov's "I Robot" books on tape when I'm going on a long trip by myself. I learn something new every time I hear/read them. One of my favorites of all time - and one I try to get Sci/Fi newbies to read is "Enders Game" by Orson Scott Card. Short, fun, and somewhat of a mind blower. It made me read the entire Ender Saga and everything else he wrote, but nothing ever recreated the feeling of reading "Ender's Game" for the first time. How about Frank McCourt? "Angela's Ashes" was interesting. "Tis" must have been forgettable, as I have. I enjoyed "Teacher Man" - probably because I was one, once upon a time. Right now I'm slowly savoring "The Soul Of A Tree: A Master Woodworkers Reflections" by George Nakashima and "Nature Form & Spirit: The Life and Legacy of George Nakashima" by his daughter Mira Nakashima. George Nakashima was a great woodworker, artist, and architect. I can't afford his furniture, but I go to the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum in Chanhassen every couple of years just to see their collection of his stuff. Well, plus they have amazing displays of an amazing variety of plants, flowers, trees, and shrubs. Worth a visit if you are in the area. I don't know if some of these are available in any digital format. I wouldn't recommend simply listening to the books on/by Nakashima, as you'll want to see the photos and drawings. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Apr 10 04:25:38 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? References: <000e01c77b1c$9d8fb490$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <000f01c77b5a$960dfa40$0101a8c0@Davis> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "FOT List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > Bidding has ended for this item > > > > > > > > > > Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. > > > > > > > > > > > View larger picture > > > > Winning bid: US $3,952.00 > Make no payments for 3 months Apply > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT > Shipping costs: Check item description and payment > instructions > > > > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > rtCurve.gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > s.gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > fa4c_2.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 10 08:19:57 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:19:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: Amici... I have reported earlier that for the present, Bob Wismer and I have chosen to run VALVOLINE 'Not Street Legal!' Racing (Synthetic SAE 20W-50 Engine Oil). Bob just got back from Sebring and Savannah, where he used this oil. When we put my engine in the T-Bolt, his will come out, and we will 'check it over'. You don't get much track time at Sebring, but at Spring Savannah you get all you can handle. But Bob said an interesting thing is that he did not 'use' any oil on the trip. He did not have to add any. We used to run Mobil1, and it was not uncommon to add a half quart during an event. But our mechanic, Kevin Potter, says our machine shop (who is heavy into drag strip engines) say they are getting 'bad reports' on performance coming back from several clients who are using this oil. Obviously dragsters are going to be running at 12/10ths. Bob and I race at about 8/10ths. We continue to watch and listen... Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Apr 10 08:43:58 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:43:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070410.084400.-228273.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>>EOS is not to be used as an oil additive That would make it a Supplement then, wouldn't it. Sort of a Vitamin Z, for your engine's good health. Bill From jrhill at chorus.net Tue Apr 10 09:33:35 2007 From: jrhill at chorus.net (jrhill at chorus.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <20070410103335.CFYOF.11264.root@webfep12> Hmmm . . . 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who finished second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the winning bidder will have to pay. A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. Jim Hill ---- Bob Davis wrote: > I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "FOT List" > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > > > > Bidding has ended for this item > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > View larger picture > > > > > > > > Winning bid: US $3,952.00 > > Make no payments for 3 months Apply > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT > > Shipping costs: Check item description and payment > > instructions > > > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > > rtCurve.gif] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > > s.gif] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > > fa4c_2.JPG] > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Apr 10 09:58:24 2007 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:58:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hard top Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46405D7D4AB@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Its hard to believe that the top went for that figure, I have the factory original on my car, had somebody try to buy the whole car just to get the top a few years ago, thought they were joking, sure didn't think they would this kind of money. Sounds like the price of the cars is on the way up! In ten more years....well... it is a Triumph ! From tsheach at pba.co.uk Tue Apr 10 10:12:45 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:12:45 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There seems to be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever since they starter to hide the bidder names. Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! They are easy to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks ago. Don't get burnt on ebay! Rgds Tony -----Original Message----- From: jrhill at chorus.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Hmmm . . . 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who finished second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the winning bidder will have to pay. A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. Jim Hill ---- Bob Davis wrote: > I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "FOT List" > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > > > > Bidding has ended for this item From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 10 11:33:56 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75146A65-9569-4104-BB20-E3F74C036AA1@bnj.com> eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why the jury of your peers has to face you. Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > seems to > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > since they > starter to hide the bidder names. > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > They are easy > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > ago. > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > Rgds > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: jrhill at chorus.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > Hmmm . . . > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > finished > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > winning > bidder will have to pay. > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > Jim Hill > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "BOB KRAMER" >> To: "FOT List" >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? >> >> >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 >>> >>> >>> Bidding has ended for this item > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Apr 10 10:44:55 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:44:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? In-Reply-To: <75146A65-9569-4104-BB20-E3F74C036AA1@bnj.com> Message-ID: Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza delivery..............Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM >From: Bill Babcock >To: "tr4.tony at virgin.net" >CC: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 > >eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating >merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. >Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to >blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, >probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people >think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, >but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why >the jury of your peers has to face you. > >Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it >virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction >hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some >remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his >address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of >my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > >On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > > > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > > seems to > > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > > since they > > starter to hide the bidder names. > > > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > > They are easy > > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > > ago. > > > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > > > Rgds > > > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jrhill at chorus.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > Hmmm . . . > > > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > > finished > > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > > winning > > bidder will have to pay. > > > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > > > Jim Hill > > > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: > >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "BOB KRAMER" > >> To: "FOT List" > >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > >> > >> > >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > >>> > >>> > >>> Bidding has ended for this item > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 11:00:45 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Devin Body for less than a FIber Glass Top Message-ID: <367147.80366.qm@web90313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a line on a Devin body out of the original mold but recently cast. I have been hoarding the info dreaming of doing something with it but I have too many projects just now so let me know if you are interested. I had him down to $3500 and it is still available as of today - its just a shell with doors boot and bonnet - absolutely no innerds. Its in Calif... Sigh... M --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 14:28:02 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:28:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph show at Brooklands Message-ID: I will be traveling to England later this month, and my wife has agreed to let me do one car thing. I was planning on going to Gaydon, but recently learned that it is closed until late May. I did see that there is a show at Brooklands on 22 April. Any of our UK members going to that event. I realize that it is a show rather than a competition, but... I'll be driving down from Suffolk. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 14:58:40 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:58:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd love to head out there, but I will have been out of town the previous two weekends and will be at Grattan 2 of the following 3 weekends. Plus the Formula SAE is in there as well. Racing season comes and I end up away from home most weekends. Doesn't make her indoors very happy. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:52 AM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: rpm724 at charter.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Tim, I'll be there, though no Triumph this time. I will be continuing my quest to learn how in the heck to drive the Ginetta G-15. The 998cc of rear-engine and 1100 pounds of weight make for a car that needs to be driven just about exactly opposite of a TR4! I am leading the open-wheel group again this year at the drivers school as well as conducting the Thursday night classroom session. Looks like it's shaping up to be a big school this year. I look forward to seeing you there. John Houlton ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bfeken at copper.net Tue Apr 10 15:48:53 2007 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:48:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need a used diff Message-ID: <000901c77bba$09a8a810$7dc464d0@keng> A customer of BFE needs to buy a used TR-3 diff unit Call KIRK CHESNEY 5455 Corporate DR #103 TROY MI 48098 248-408-2182 Ken Gillanders British Frame & Engine From bfeken at copper.net Tue Apr 10 16:24:25 2007 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:24:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Diff Message-ID: <004201c77bbf$001f4dd0$7dc464d0@keng> I have a customer that needs a used TR3a diff If interested call KIRK cHESNEY 248-408-2182 ken Gillanders From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Apr 10 17:53:14 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:53:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <041020072353.20484.461C236A0005B89C000050042207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Henry Morrison" > Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I > always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza > delivery.............. Is your refrigerator running? Hope you can catch it. Do you have Phillip Morris in a box? Better let him out. Somehow, I can see you doing this Henry. I did. Irv Korey From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 10 18:16:51 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:16:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... Message-ID: Ernie sent me in the direction of Bill Bryson, ex-patriot from Des Moines, Iowa. Hardly Pulitzer Price material, but light humor that entertains. 'A Walk in The Woods' 'The Life & Times of the Thunderbolt Kid' etc. Joe (A) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 10 20:06:31 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:06:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Diff Message-ID: I've got a whole shelf full of rear axles. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 10 20:22:18 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:22:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Diff (TR4) References: Message-ID: <004d01c77be0$3aaee660$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> While we're at it, I've got a complete TR4 rear axle assy I'd like to give away. Philadelphia area . . . I hate to junk it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Diff > I've got a whole shelf full of rear axles. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 21:50:54 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:50:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: ZDDP? Message-ID: <002301c77bec$9c3c8a20$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Got the straight scoop from Redline today, good to see they still have the good stuff in the racing and regular oils. Even though its $10 a quart! Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- Gary, Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, we still have zinc and more importantly phosphorus in our oils, both the motor oil and the race oil, sufficient for flat tappet cam shaft protection. Our current motor oil contains 1230 ppm zinc and 1100 ppm phosphorus. The MSDS you are looking at is from the Race Oil I believe, those oils contain 2500 ppm zinc, 2400 ppm phosphorus. Regards, Dave Red Line Oil From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Tue Apr 10 22:44:14 2007 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:44:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] EOS & Mobile 1 Message-ID: <461C679E.4010503@cyberspeedway.net> Group, We ran Mobil 1 in the TR6 from about 1987 on and added EOS with every oil change. We never had a cam or lifter problem running beyond .530 lift and stock diameter lifters. If you read Smokey Yunick's book he recommended EOS to add ZDDP for cam protection. If anybody has any connections with a current Cup engine builder they should know about current oils because they still require flat tappet cams and they run some extreme pressures over the nose. Their valve spring rates sound like front spring rates to us. They do run some exotic cam & lifter alloys though. If you are running a Spitfire or TR6 make sure the cam grinder knows how to deal with our small diameter lifters. You can't just run a small block Chevy acceleration ramp which is what most grinders want to do. After all, if you're not racing a Chevy or Ford you're just not a serious racer. Evidence of the wrong ramp are rounded corners of the bottom of the lifters and "wiping" of the opening sides of the lobe. Greg Lund From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 11 00:51:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:51:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32B1668B-D969-4E04-8F36-F5AA0884947D@bnj.com> I don't know if I'd call him an ex-patriot even given his lefty learnings, perhaps expatriate, and I understand the price for a Pulizer is pretty high. You must have gotten into the Pinot this evening. Anyway, I like Bill Bryson even if he does tend to whinge a bit. I've read most of his books. He did a really good one on science called "A Short History of Everything" that's particularly good on tape, he does the narration. A Walk in the Woods" is indeed a good read. So is "Notes From a Small Country". I haven't read the "thunderbolt Kid. I'll add it to the list, and maybe a couple of others from him Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:16 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Ernie sent me in the direction of Bill Bryson, ex-patriot from Des > Moines, > Iowa. > > Hardly Pulitzer Price material, but light humor that entertains. > > 'A Walk in The Woods' > > 'The Life & Times of the Thunderbolt Kid' > > etc. > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 11 05:55:03 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:55:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... Message-ID: Yes, 'expatriate'...no Pinot, just past my bedtime. But, I suspect Bryson found England a calmer place to live in the 60s. A 'Short History of Everything' is likely his best, is an award winner, and it is on my list. He narrates The Thunderbolt Kid...done well. Dentinger & Wismer will enjoy this one, just with the oblique reference to Thunderbolt. I have the book wrapped to send to them...if I ever get around to it. Joe (A) > I don't know if I'd call him an ex-patriot even given his lefty learnings, > perhaps expatriate, and I understand the price for a Pulizer is pretty high. > You must have gotten into the Pinot this evening. Anyway, I like Bill Bryson > even if he does tend to whinge a bit. I've read most of his books. He did a > really good one on science called "A Short History of Everything" that's > particularly good on tape, he does the narration. A Walk in the Woods" is indeed > a good read. So is "Notes From a Small Country". I haven't read the > "thunderbolt Kid. I'll add it to the list, and maybe a couple of others from him > Bill Babcock > > From spitlist at cox.net Wed Apr 11 11:22:14 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator Message-ID: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Apr 11 11:59:31 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:59:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: Sounds like he was born with the right genes....yes. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: April 11, 2007 1:22 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Apr 11 11:51:31 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Front corner valences needed for mkiv/1500 Message-ID: As the race car has had them stripped off I need to replace them as there is some questionableness in the SCCA rules as to whether they count as fenders or valences. As a precaution I'd like to replace them. What I need is the corner valence for the left and right and any mounting bracketry that is associated. I think I have a grill somewhere...are there any other metal pieces that stretch accross from the left to the right? Condition is almost irrelevant as I will lighten them anyways. any help greatly appreciated aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Il region SCCA 317-260-8098 (mobile) From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 11 12:04:24 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Joe Curry wrote: > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join > FOT? Def.! I'll second or third. The car's got a bit of history, doesn't it? rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 11 12:11:22 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:11:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator Message-ID: In a message dated 04/11/2007 1:07:13 PM Central Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that > the > > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might > be > > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail > of > > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone > who > > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > > > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to > join > > FOT? > > Def.! I'll second or third. > > The car's got a bit of history, doesn't it? > Absolutely! Those guys from Down Under are racers. We've raced with some of them at vintage events down through the years. They know how to party too! Did you know that when they spin, they go counter-clockwise? Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 11 12:52:50 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:52:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> Hey, now there's some provenance for ya. With apologies in advance to Kas and the Bill Ames's of our marque, this sounds about as close to a royal bloodline as any Triumph is ever going to get, so how can we not include the chap. I'd love to see pictures of the whole car if they are available. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 11 15:36:56 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: A single seater race car with a Herald suspension - that definitely sounds like "our sort of people"! At 01:22 PM 4/11/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the >attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be >interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of >the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who >wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > >Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join >FOT? > >Joe C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Herrick" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM >Subject: Camber Compensator > > > > Hi, > > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > > this issue. > > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > > seems to be the answer to my problems. > > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > > Regards > > Roger Herrick > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream >which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 11 17:10:38 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:10:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen Message-ID: Amici, Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 11 17:19:03 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:19:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen Message-ID: Steve. Since the windscreen is the same on the TR4-6, I suspect that Ted Schumacher's offering may fit the Spit. Joe (A) > Amici, > Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of > the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. > Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be > the only > one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone > and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve > > From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 11 17:21:45 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Amici, > Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of > the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. > Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only > one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone > and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve Ted Schumacher sells them. They're referred to as "Group 44 windscreen" I have a used one that I can't use (unless I build another race car). My new cage has the front hoop extending about a tube-width above the cowl. Not exactly vintage, but SCCA will let me play for sure. This cage is def. "GRC legal". And then some. I feel like a freakin' midget when I look at the "tower of pipes" above my head. Ooops. I think I need my meds again. :-) Seriously, see Ted the man or copy my off list. FWIW, mine has a small crack in it. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 18:22:33 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:22:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >A single seater race car with a Herald suspension - that >definitely sounds like "our sort of people"! Hmmm... Sounds like Formula Triumph. Maybe it wasn't a hoax after all. John From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 11 18:28:42 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (kaskas at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:28:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <31393629.1176337722678.JavaMail.root@fed1wml17> How about the people owho access your answering machine tape and ,listen to your messges because you failed to put in an access code.Weirdos. ---- Henry Morrison wrote: > Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I > always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza > delivery..............Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM > > > >From: Bill Babcock > >To: "tr4.tony at virgin.net" > >CC: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 > > > >eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating > >merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. > >Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to > >blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, > >probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people > >think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, > >but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why > >the jury of your peers has to face you. > > > >Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it > >virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction > >hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some > >remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his > >address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of > >my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. > > > >Bill Babcock > >billb at bnj.com > >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > > >You can subscribe to my Blogs > >Via email: > >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > >Sub=168304 > > > >or Via RSS > >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > > > > >On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > > > > > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > > > seems to > > > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > > > since they > > > starter to hide the bidder names. > > > > > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > > > They are easy > > > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > > > ago. > > > > > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > > > > > Rgds > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jrhill at chorus.net > > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > > > Hmmm . . . > > > > > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > > > finished > > > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > > > winning > > > bidder will have to pay. > > > > > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > > > > > Jim Hill > > > > > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: > > >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "BOB KRAMER" > > >> To: "FOT List" > > >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > > >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > >> > > >> > > >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Bidding has ended for this item > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >_______________________________________________ > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 12 09:32:31 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:32:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Single Seat Race Car with Herald Rear suspension Message-ID: <004301c77d17$c9359400$84fea8c0@shop> I received a reply from the owner and he said that he is interested in being a member of FOT. So with the seconds and thirds I got yesterday, I need to have him added to the list. I have also requested additional photos of the entire car and hepefully he will send some. His name is Roger Herrick and his email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz Here is an excerpt from his reply: "I would be happy to join the FOT list - I suppose there are not too many cars with a Herald component that have association with two F1 drivers (and constructors). The car ran a Herald front suspension at one stage but is now in it's 1960 form with a split beam Ford 10 axle set up. Kind regards Roger" Cheers, Joe C From dave at microworks.net Sat Apr 14 02:10:18 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:10:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Some TR Videos Message-ID: <20070414082042.NNIN1266.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I recently updated the DCTRA Website (http://www.dctra.org). DCTRA is the TR Club in the Phoenix area. On the Galleries Page (accessible from the menu at the top are two on board videos from my TR3. The top is a drive in the dsert and the bottom video is a lap at (no audio) at Firebird Main. You can see Mark Weathers in his TR-6 pass me on the front straight. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 16 10:16:00 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:16:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How festive Message-ID: <4623A140.1080600@bradakis.com> Yet another chapter in the continuing saga of keeping Team.Net alive and well. Sheesh. More later. mjb. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Mon Apr 16 10:11:36 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:11:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Message-ID: Joes The last email received at this address from an _fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) was 4/11/2006. Is my AOL interferring with my receiving of emails or is the server host having challenges again ? Cary ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 16 07:29:54 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:29:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] One good 15x4-1/2 - 60 spoke wire wheel wanted References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local><7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7802b$528b2bf0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Some of you may question my use of the word "good" in the context of a wire wheel, but it's for a street car. I need one that is not significantly corroded that I can sandblast and repaint. They seem to rust on the inside of the rim where the water comes in via the spokes. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Bill Babcock" ; "FOT Triumph" ; Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books and books on tape > At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >>Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody >>else: >> >>Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >>the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the >>art of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great >>story of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics >>to the principles of military strategy. No kidding. >> >>Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation >>of the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. >> >>Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A >>Bomb. Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by >>Richard Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from >>Road Atlanta a couple of years ago. >> >>Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >>Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't >>remember the title. Richard - Joe? Title? >> >>How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >>interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >>civilized world at the time of Christ. >> >>Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >>read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >>the sensation of driving a race car at speed. >> >>Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator >>funded virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in >>Afganistan, funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all >>through the back channels of government, with never a vote and never >>an approval. Spent a lot of the government's dough on himself and >>his lady friends, too. >> > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Apr 13 05:42:27 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen References: Message-ID: <461F6CA3.9070705@bright.net> Steve, we make these windscreens. Basically a copy of the original Mueller windscreen. They are listed on our website. Ted Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: >Amici, >Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of >the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. >Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only >one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone >and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve > > > >************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 14 01:10:02 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:10:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> Message-ID: <4A6A8DD4-6817-4ED8-AB3C-0E17F5D0CA26@bnj.com> Hello testing...testing. Is this mike on...? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:52 AM, David Talbott wrote: > Hey, now there's some provenance for ya. With apologies in advance > to Kas and > the Bill Ames's of our marque, this sounds about as close to a > royal bloodline > as any Triumph is ever going to get, so how can we not include the > chap. I'd > love to see pictures of the whole car if they are available. > > Dave > > David Talbott, President > Architectural Reproductions, Inc. > Portland, Oregon > Toll Free (888) 440-8007 > www.archrepro.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:22 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator > > > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize > that the > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of > you might be > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only > a detail > of > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to > anyone > who > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from > the guy. > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be > invited to > join > FOT? > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herrick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM > Subject: Camber Compensator > > >> Hi, >> I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will >> solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. >> The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little >> different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New >> Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt >> in 1956 >> after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first >> race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but >> still has >> many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it >> acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original >> specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It >> suffers >> from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to >> solve >> this issue. >> I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it >> seems to be the answer to my problems. >> Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non >> urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA >> payment. >> Regards >> Roger Herrick >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > - > ---- > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet- > stream which > had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Apr 13 17:47:30 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:47:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] EOS & Mobile 1 Message-ID: <20070413.164825.375.2461603@webmail50.nyc.untd.com> Joe Gibbs Oils are used in Cup cars and are made specifically for flat tappet motors. -- greg wrote: Group, We ran Mobil 1 in the TR6 from about 1987 on and added EOS with every oil change. We never had a cam or lifter problem running beyond .530 lift and stock diameter lifters. If you read Smokey Yunick's book he recommended EOS to add ZDDP for cam protection. If anybody has any connections with a current Cup engine builder they should know about current oils because they still require flat tappet cams and they run some extreme pressures over the nose. Their valve spring rates sound like front spring rates to us. They do run some exotic cam & lifter alloys though. If you are running a Spitfire or TR6 make sure the cam grinder knows how to deal with our small diameter lifters. You can't just run a small block Chevy acceleration ramp which is what most grinders want to do. After all, if you're not racing a Chevy or Ford you're just not a serious racer. Evidence of the wrong ramp are rounded corners of the bottom of the lifters and "wiping" of the opening sides of the lobe. Greg Lund _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 16 17:10:53 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? Message-ID: <000501c7807c$7ca3ad30$4101a8c0@ZAP> Does anybody have an extra set of Spitfire wheels they could part with? Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 16 16:18:47 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:18:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? In-Reply-To: <000501c7807c$7ca3ad30$4101a8c0@ZAP> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7441A178@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've got a set of Cosmics, a set of (magnesium?) Minilites and a set of widened steel wheels. All of which I could part with. I'm not sure that the Minilites are magnesium -- they're that dull grey color where they're not painted blue. If they are magnesium, I'd be really reluctant to put them on a race car (or maybe ANY car) without some serious inspection first (and continuing inspection thereafter). Photos attached (which will be stripped from the FOT copy). Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert D. MacKenzie Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? Does anybody have an extra set of Spitfire wheels they could part with? Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of No. 22 White Parts 010.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of No. 22 White Parts 024.jpg] From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 23:41:22 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:41:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: ZDDP? - follow-on question Message-ID: <00f001c780b3$08f42db0$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Amici, Leon raised a couple more interesting questions about moly content in RedLine oil and the differences between their race and street oil. Here is their response. Regards, Gary Schneider 37 EP TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Granquist" To: "Gary & Gretchen" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Re: ZDDP? - foolow-on question > >Dave, >>Thanks again for the quick and helpful response on my question a week ago. >>A gent on our Triumph racing list asked a couple more technical questions >>if I could request your assistance again. >> >>In addition to zinc/phosphorus levels, are there other differences between >>your Racing oil and the non-Racing? Probably less detergent? >> >>What is the amount of moly in both types? Apparently there is suspicion >>some oil filters don't like a lot of moly. >> >>Thanks again and best regards, >>Gary >> > > Gary, > > Glad I could help. The Race Oils have very little detergent, that is the > biggest difference between the two oils. The Race Oil is optimized for > race use so has a different additive package. The moly is the same in the > Race and Motor oils, 950 ppm. Unless the filter is a very small sub micron > bypass type, I wouldn't expect an issue with the moly present in our oil, > it is small enough to pass through most filters. > > Regards, Dave > Red Line Oil From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 17 06:24:27 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:24:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race report - VDCA @ VIR Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EBE@server.Triumph.local> The fifth annual Wild Hare Run ran last weekend, and we were well represented in both closed wheel run groups. The Spitfires of Rob Stewart, Tim Slater and Freddy Danovitz plus the TR's of George Wright, Alan Pinel, Dennis DeLap, Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton, Gene Hammer, Mark Wheatley, and me. Apologies to whomever I am forgetting. The weather was far from ideal for a couple sessions, but thanks to a schedule loaded with track time we still got more dry track time than some groups can offer in a whole weekend. The Wild Hare race is done on Friday afternoon after we get worn out running our normal 3 practice sessions. So for the fourth time of the day we don the nomex and go to the grid. Cars are lined up slowest first, and with stopwatch in hand, released at the precise time that would allow, should all cars do 6 laps at exactly their best lap time, they would cross the finish line at the same time. Sandbaggers can't win, and the winner is usually somebody who starts in the first 15 slots or so. Any further back than that would require some outrageous luck to get through traffic. Anyway, the proud winner of the Wild Hare Run was no other than our own Dennis DeLap! We know he will covet the, ahem, trophy. For the past couple years the second place trophy has been donated by a generous VDCA member with an active imagination, and has gained the reputation to be coveted even more than the, ahem, trophy for first. This years second place trophy was absolutely up to par, a section of a Hoosier tire on a plaque running over a hare. Second place went to no other than Charlie Kates. You long time Triumph racers and fans may remember him and his TR4 and the legendary battles with Mike Jackson in his TR3. Charlie got away from racing 17 years ago, and decided last year it's time to get back in the fray. He bought a Lotus 7 and is in process of finding the handle. One of the truly coolest parts of the weekend was being paddocked with Mark Wheatley, who runs Charlie's old TR4. To see Charlie reunited with his old car was quite a treat. Journalist and certified ride mooch Burt Levy was in attendance gathering intel for a story, so watch the usual places to see what he has to say. If you have been paying attention on this list there was a little race within a race, something to do with a lady pushing a tea cart and Fat Bastard Wine. There was a committee involved, I was not a part of it, and I defer to said committee to fill in the details. Leo, Don, Dean, the floor is yours... Guys, I know I am sounding like a broken record, but I will say it again. If you are within striking distance of a VDCA event, it will be worth the tow. Race Director Mike Jackson and his board of directors have put together something pretty special. Until next time! From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Apr 17 08:27:33 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:27:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod orientation Message-ID: Amici, a basic question...does anyone make any efforts to orient the big end of the rod in any particular fashion? Whether it be bearing tang against the rotation or with crank rotation? I've never seen it mentioned but I was pondering that detail. I know if your bearing crush allows the bearing to slip you've already lost the game and thusly it shouldn't make any difference but nonetheless, anybody ever think about this? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:27:11 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 15:38:44 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:38:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that transmission. Ah, well. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can > anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? > > Send instant messages to your online friends http:// > au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 17 14:45:53 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:52:59 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <205262.15972.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Robert, Any idea of the cost od the Jericho setup it sounds good. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert M. Lang To: Jim Cun Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 6:45:53 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:56:26 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bill, Which brand did you use? Sounds like it is the way to go not cheap. Would really like a sequential dog box for racing but I don't think this is in the rules. Thanks Bill ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Babcock To: Jim Cun Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 7:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that transmission. Ah, well. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: Hi, I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Apr 17 15:21:32 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:21:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod orientation Message-ID: Hmmm, I was thinking about Carrillo rods here and not the slant cut stock rods. I haven't built a stock motor in so long I forgot about the slant cut. Steve Amici, a basic question...does anyone make any efforts to orient the big end of the rod in any particular fashion? Whether it be bearing tang against the rotation or with crank rotation? I've never seen it mentioned but I was pondering that detail. I know if your bearing crush allows the bearing to slip you've already lost the game and thusly it shouldn't make any difference but nonetheless, anybody ever think about this? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 15:50:41 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill Hart [of the "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's Ferrari to run around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and everything being for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap price of things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic dollars! Chuck On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > Robert: > > That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it with my > better half. > > "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority that my > hobby is cheaper than a boat." > > Yeah. That feels pretty good. > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] > Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM > To: Navarrette, Vance > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > > > > I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not > > unreasonable for a complete restoration. > > Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. > > > Vance > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net or > try > === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool > === Other lists available at > === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > === Edit your replies! > -- Chuck Arnold From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Apr 17 16:03:07 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:03:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values References: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The problem with horses is that they use as much fuel at idle as they do at full throttle... and they idle all the time. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Navarrette, Vance ; Friends Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill Hart [of the "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's Ferrari to run around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and everything being for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap price of things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic dollars! Chuck On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance > wrote: > > Robert: > > That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it with my > better half. > > "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority that my > hobby is cheaper than a boat." > > Yeah. That feels pretty good. > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] > Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM > To: Navarrette, Vance > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > > > > I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not > > unreasonable for a complete restoration. > > Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. > > > Vance > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net or > try > === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool > === Other lists available at > === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > === Edit your replies! > -- Chuck Arnold _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Tue Apr 17 17:05:19 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox housing.....not that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate sized Hewland gearsets for your horsepower range and your set. Lots of other detais to work out as well, but not too terrible. Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Spitfire racer -----Original Message----- From: lang at isis.mit.edu To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Apr 17 17:12:20 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:12:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Message-ID: <004301c78145$d9ccc270$6501a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey guys here is a great video of the ill-fated 1955 race. Lots of TR sightings!! Three TR2s started and three finished! Mike Hawthorne and Ivan Bueb won the race in a Jaguar. Very neat! http://www.sportscarmarket.com/inmotion/ If this link doesn't go through the list, go to YouTube and search for 1955 LeMans. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 19:32:03 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:32:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used the Quaife. Got it from Cambridge motorsports. Not cheap at all, especially now with the pound being so strong. Sequential boxes are nice--it's what I had in my Radical, though of course it was a motorcycle transmission. I do actually like H pattern better because you can pick the gear you want rather than going down through a couple and hoping you counted right. Just a geezer preference though I suspect. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > Bill, > Which brand did you use? Sounds like it is the way to go not > cheap. Would really like a sequential dog box for racing but I > don't think this is in the rules. > Thanks Bill > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill Babcock > To: Jim Cun > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 7:38:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box > > Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no > side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and > they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. > I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except > for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the > bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at > about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that > transmission. Ah, well. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American > tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can >> anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends http:// >> au.messenger.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http:// > au.messenger.yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 19:34:51 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:34:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Billy is such a great guy. I've never seen him drive any of the expensive toys in the collection. When you go into their pits Bill always looks like the hired help. Tony Garmey even dresses nicer than he does. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill > Hart [of the > "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's > Ferrari to run > around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and > everything being > for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap > price of > things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic > dollars! > Chuck > > On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance wrote: >> >> Robert: >> >> That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it >> with my >> better half. >> >> "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority >> that my >> hobby is cheaper than a boat." >> >> Yeah. That feels pretty good. >> >> Vance >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] >> Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM >> To: Navarrette, Vance >> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values >> >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: >> >> >> >>> I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not >>> unreasonable for a complete restoration. >> >> Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. >> >>> Vance >> >> regards, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> ------ >> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> ------ >> >> Your messages not reaching the list? >> Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html >> >> === Help keep Team.Net on the air >> === http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> === unsubscribe/change address requests to >> majordomo at autox.team.net or >> try >> === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool >> === Other lists available at >> === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo >> === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> === http://www.team.net/the-local >> === Edit your replies! >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 17 19:28:10 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:28:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values Message-ID: In a message dated 4/17/2007 7:58:27 PM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap > price of > things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic > dollars! > Chuck Like the two year old Mineshaft filly, who just sold at the Keeneland Spring Sale for 1.75 Million (a new record for a filly). Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Apr 17 20:11:33 2007 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:11:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Message-ID: Sounds like the video is pirated from the Standard-Triumph one that shows the crash only as a pillar of smoke. Bueb is a Welshman not a Russian - first name is Ivor No final "e" on Hawthorn. TR2s finished 14th, 15th and 19th in '55. Mike Cook ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Snook Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Hey guys here is a great video of the ill-fated 1955 race. Lots of TR sightings!! Three TR2s started and three finished! Mike Hawthorne and Ivan Bueb won the race in a Jaguar. Very neat! http://www.sportscarmarket.com/inmotion/ If this link doesn't go through the list, go to YouTube and search for 1955 LeMans. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 20:30:01 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Ok, folks young and old one and all. Here is the scoop for the Autocross taking place at Road America May 19th in conjunction with the MOTRAH 007 Vintage Race event. It is open to all Morgan, Triumph, and Austin Healey vehicles from bone stock to full race. You will run with similar prepared cars. It should be a blast so if you want to participate get your registration in because there are a limited number of slots available. See you there, Marty Sukey MOTRAH Autocross Registration Plans are being finalized for the MOTRAH Autocross on Saturday, May 19th. We are now ready to begin accepting registrations from Morgan, Triumph and Austin Healey drivers for this event. The Autocross will be run from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm on the Briggs and Stratton Motorplex at Road America and is being organized by the members of Windy City Morgan Owners Group, Chicago's Morgan club. Due to time and capacity constraints, it may be necessary to limit the number of entries so it is important that you register now to guarantee a spot. From now until May 6, 2007, an early registration period will be held. During this period, the first 25 registrations for each marque (total of 75) will be guaranteed a place in the Autocross. Beginning May7, 2007 and continuing through May 18, 2007, registration will be on a first come basis regardless of marque until all available Autocross spots are filled. In order to register, e-mail or telephone Steve Balsamo at Windy City MOG [ sdbalsamo at aol.com, (847) 242-0717 ] stating name, address and type of car. This notification will hold your place in the event. You will then be sent a registration package including Rules, class structure and a registration form. This should be completed and returned to Steve at P.O. Box 210, Glencoe, Illinois 60022. There is no entry fee for the event. If you have a Healey, Triumph or Morgan you are welcome as our guest. Prizes and operating costs are being covered by Windy City MOG. If you have any questions regarding the Autocross, please feel free to contact Steve Balsamo as outlined above. _________________________________________________________________ Dont quit your job  Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 From KLynch7589 at aol.com Tue Apr 17 21:32:51 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:32:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: MG jokes 101 Message-ID: Enjoy! Kev Lynch RMVR ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9a3462582f21e6; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:31:23 -0400 Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME027-9a3462582f21e6; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:31:15 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.232.207.191.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.207.191]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HdzvF-0006p3-00; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:29:29 -0400 X-Sender: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:25:38 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (Richard Feibusch) Subject: MG jokes 101 X-AOL-IP: 207.69.195.65 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain - - A blonde pushes her MG into a gas station and tells the mechanic, "It just quit on me!" He tells her to open the bonnet and then unscrews the float cover and sees that it is filled with silt. - - The blond asks, "What's the story?" " Oh, Just crap in the carburetor," he replies. "And how often do I have to do that?" she asks. - - Q. What do you call the shock absorbers inside an MG? A. Passengers. - - Two guys in an MG were arrested last night in London following a push-by shooting incident. - - The new MG has an airbag. so when you sense an impending accident, start pumping real fast. - - A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a petrol cap for my MG." The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade." submitted by John Voelcker [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of MG_-_Blond.jpg" ; x-mac-type="4A504547" ; x-mac-creator="4A565752] From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Tue Apr 17 23:10:59 2007 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4625A863.7060001@cyberspeedway.net> Jim, We ran a Jerico mag case gearbox for 6 seasons in SCCA National competition and never had a lick of trouble. It cut lap times about .7 seconds at most tracks. If I were doing it from scratch today, I would get the thinner (lighter weight) qualifying gears as they are still bigger than we need for a 6. The mag case Jerico is only about 12 pounds heavier than the stock 6 box. We ran a 1.76-1 first and found it was near perfect for all the tracks we ran. PIR, FIRP, Willow, Buttonwillow, Holtville, Mid Ohio. The downside of the side shifter style of American 4 speeds is the room the shifter takes up. It intrudes on the left side of the tunnel and will be a problem unless you can move the driver seat to the left. I would look at rotating the gearbox so the shifter was further toward the top. The Mid Valley Engineering shifter is set up to mount on a Jerico or Tex Racing T101 that has been rotated 90 degrees (as viewed from the rear) so the shifter rods are on top. Greg Lund Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From simon at telephonestogo.ca Wed Apr 18 07:15:01 2007 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:15:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans video Message-ID: <045f01c781bb$9266da30$3464a8c0@SIMON> Actually Ivor bueb, nicknamed "Ivor the Driver", I think this is one of the Standard Triumph PR films narrated by the late Raymond Baxter, whose mellifluous voice graced many similar documentaries over the years. I have VHS copies of several, so I think they are still available. Simon. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 18 07:53:19 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox > housing.....not that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate > sized Hewland gearsets for your horsepower range and your set. Lots > of other detais to work out as well, but not too terrible. Great idea. However, I'm not certain that the big TR gearbox shafts are spaced the same as Spitfire. If anyone knows better, fire away - we'd love to know. > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire racer regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From triosan at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 09:21:43 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:21:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0704180821r40139970w37bebae816f78a98@mail.gmail.com> Now that is a topic I would like a lot more information about! On 4/17/07, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > > Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox housing.....not > that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate sized Hewland gearsets > for your horsepower range and your set. Lots of other detais to work out as > well, but not too terrible. > > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire racer > > -----Original Message----- > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box > > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > > > Hi, > > Hi. > > > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > > give me their experience with this type of set up? > > My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should > def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR > gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife > and nothing. > > Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you > don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you > initially set up the box. > > And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms > of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in > excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. > So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and > labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. > > The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias > used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled > it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). > > But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". > Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant > up-shifts. > > argh Argh ARGH. > > rml > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 18 10:09:05 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] LeMans video Message-ID: In a message dated 04/18/2007 10:41:24 AM Central Daylight Time, simon at telephonestogo.ca writes: > I think this is one of the Standard Triumph PR films narrated by the late > Raymond Baxter, whose mellifluous voice graced many similar documentaries > over > Ah yes, and when Sir Peter Ustinov does his Grand Prix of Gibraltar, Raymond Baxter becomes Roland Thaxter, and Stirling Moss becomes Girling Foss, and on and on. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 18 18:29:41 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Line-boring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <256537.97659.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? Thanks Dennis b.t.w. - if you are ever looking for an early spring event, or if VIR is on your list of tracks to race - Mike Jackson's VDCA event is a must do. Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Apr 18 19:37:16 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:37:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Videos Message-ID: <4626C7CC.8060602@verizon.net> Here are a couple of fun videos. No Triumph content but still fun. I wanna Ferrari...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25M_XEf-o38 Basic auto mechanics....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfFRQ-StpwA Cheers, Kurt Oblinger From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Apr 18 20:10:35 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:10:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] Line-boring Message-ID: <20070418.191125.18248.2505921@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Both of my race blocks have been align honed, not bored. Change was not enough that I had to modify the BFE rear seal halves. Joe(B) -- Dennis DeLap wrote: Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? Thanks Dennis b.t.w. - if you are ever looking for an early spring event, or if VIR is on your list of tracks to race - Mike Jackson's VDCA event is a must do. Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From Fubog1 at aol.com Thu Apr 19 05:48:49 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:48:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Line-boring Message-ID: In a message dated 4/18/2007 8:30:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? For an all out race engine it's SOP as part of squaring up the block but it shouldn't be done indiscriminately. The housing bore has to be measured &, depending on size, it may need to be honed or bored back to spec. Manufacturers usually have a range of about 6/10 tolerance, it's best to put it on the snug side for good bearing shell grip. If it measures OK & the crank turns freely, it's most likely OK. The surface finish of the housing bore is critical also, it needs to be smooth so it makes good contact with the back of the shell. Pronounced black "streaks" or burnishing on the back of the old shells usually indicates a problem with the housing bore. You might have to remove a SLIGHT bit of material from the parting faces of the seal housing or turn down the OD of the seal housing SLIGHTLY, so it doesn't keep the main cap from seating properly, depending on finished size of seal housing register. If the housing bore is done properly, it won't change the crank center by more than a couple thou. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 19 15:21:39 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? Jim Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 19 15:32:14 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:32:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c782ca$32861080$84fea8c0@shop> I have used Unobtanium Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cun" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > Hi > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > > Jim > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 19 15:36:05 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <905709.95645.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good one Joe.... ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Curry To: Jim Cun ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, 20 April, 2007 7:32:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods I have used Unobtanium Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cun" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > Hi > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > > Jim > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From dave at microworks.net Thu Apr 19 15:37:52 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:37:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphest Oct 11 - 14 2007 in Laughlin Now Accepting Registrations Message-ID: <20070419214022.QRGK1218.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Come join us for Casino Royale - Triumphest 2007 to be held at The River Palms Resort and Casino, Laughlin, Nevada October 11th thru October 14th Registration is now open and you can register online or download the registration form at http://www.triumphest.com/ Check out the website and see videos for the car lift that you can buy raffle tickets for. We will have a new one shipped to your home at no cost (as long as you're in the US). You can use the registration form to order just regalia and raffle tickets if you can't attend the event. You can even pay using PayPal. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:32 AM From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Apr 19 16:51:05 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:51:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Trophy Winner Announcement Message-ID: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-path: From: LOddTR at aol.com Full-name: LOddTR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:10:25 EDT Subject: F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Trophy Winner Announcement To: fot-owner at autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5065 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain The First Annual Triumph Bash, April Spring Tune-up And Race Days was a smash hit at VIR last weekend. As Henry Frye reported, the fabulous weather Friday and Saturday provided great racing for the 12 Triumphs entered. As previously announced, a group of rebellious TR pilots provided Triumph-only parties and a special trophy for a Triumph participating in the Wild Hare Run. Based on an elaborate scoring system that took into account the driver's finishing position, age, and a host of other factors, our winner was selected. I am pleased to announce to the greater FOT community that Dennis DeLap, owner, restorer and chief wrench, of a pristine surrey-topped TR4, was awarded the Martha McDougal FATBASTARD trophy for 2007. As Henry noted, Dennis also took the Wild Hare overall win, giving the Triumph marque dominance at the awards dinner. Congratulations to Dennis and his crew! Many thanks go to Dean and Nita Tetterton, Don and Jo Marshall, Henry, George, Mark and all that helped to make this event a success. Leo Oddi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 11:29:55 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:29:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070420172911.632C8187B63@autox.team.net> There is a guy in Germany, Stephan Schamschula, that used them in his wild TR6 I believe. His e-mail address is below if you went to contact him. szs-motor at t-online.de Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Cun Sent: 19 April 2007 22:22 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Hi Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? Jim Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Apr 20 15:47:58 2007 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:47:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium Message-ID: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the suspension. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 15:53:00 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:53:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070420215216.D94AE187A06@autox.team.net> I think I like your son; must mention this to Mr Drews when I visit him next month...... -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works USA [mailto:gasket.works at gte.net] Sent: 20 April 2007 22:48 To: Keith Files; 'Jim Cun' Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: titanium Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the suspension. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Apr 20 15:57:35 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <20070420172911.632C8187B63@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cun > Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Fri Apr 20 16:22:13 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:22:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <001801c7839a$59be1460$1123394a@Elliott> Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. > Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. > > :-) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Cun >> Subject: [Fot] titanium rods >> >> Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 17:23:56 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:23:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20070420232312.4EB8A187A93@autox.team.net> Hey Henry, me an you both; mine was due to an errant BMW driver taking me out on my Honda Firestorm in good old London Town - they stopped the traffic at rush hour to land the air ambulance and I made the UK national news - great days..... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Henry Frye Sent: 20 April 2007 22:58 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cun > Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 20 19:35:41 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:35:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? NAW! He's still limp. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Apr 20 19:40:33 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: Yer killin me here.... hehe. Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability enhancer for the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? NAW! He's still limp. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Apr 20 22:46:06 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:46:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704210448.l3L4mLXV242866@ns3.geneseo.net> One rod manufacturer I talked with said they can supply rods in titanium for the bargain basement price of about $460 per rod. On the other hand, there are less expensive approaches to lowering rod weight. Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR use that weigh 650 grams per rod. One car will shortly be racing with these rods. Not all that much weight savings, but the set I just converted for a friend cost less than half of what Carillos cost. Then if you want to buy new Wiseco pistons and have them made to accept shorter pins, you can reduce the weight of the rod / pin / piston assembly by another 20 grams by using lightweight pins. Then there's one more approach to lightweight rods that would give rods of about 550 grams and still cost less than Carillos. Tantalizing, huh? But when I survey the FOT list for interest, I don't come up with enough genuine interest to make the whole thing viable from the standpoint of bringing these to market and making a decent profit for all the effort, so I've run out of steam. If there is enough interest, I'll write this up and put it on Tony's web site. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 01:35:34 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds-- about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 20, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Yer killin me here.... > > hehe. > > Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability > enhancer for > the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. > > Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; > henry at henryfrye.com ; > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > > > In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: > > Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? > > NAW! He's still limp. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From don at carterdesignassociates.com Sat Apr 21 00:40:46 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:40:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <200704210448.l3L4mLXV242866@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000501c783df$fe43cb70$38e8a8c0@DWC> Jack, you guys stay up way too late. I thought I was the only night person. You know architects train for this in college. What's yall's excuse? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods One rod manufacturer I talked with said they can supply rods in titanium for the bargain basement price of about $460 per rod. On the other hand, there are less expensive approaches to lowering rod weight. Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR use that weigh 650 grams per rod. One car will shortly be racing with these rods. Not all that much weight savings, but the set I just converted for a friend cost less than half of what Carillos cost. Then if you want to buy new Wiseco pistons and have them made to accept shorter pins, you can reduce the weight of the rod / pin / piston assembly by another 20 grams by using lightweight pins. Then there's one more approach to lightweight rods that would give rods of about 550 grams and still cost less than Carillos. Tantalizing, huh? But when I survey the FOT list for interest, I don't come up with enough genuine interest to make the whole thing viable from the standpoint of bringing these to market and making a decent profit for all the effort, so I've run out of steam. If there is enough interest, I'll write this up and put it on Tony's web site. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Apr 21 05:51:13 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 06:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jag question Message-ID: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at the back? Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 21 06:04:43 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:04:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: <003001c7840d$3f904810$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Bill's description of the MV parts reminded me of the discussion I had yesterday with someone who works on my cars occasionally but mostly works on Alfas. The gist of it was that with British cars the whole is far greater than the sum of the parts, whereas with most Italian designs, that is usually true but the individual parts are often also beautiful examples of industrial design and craftsmanship in their own right. That is not something you would say about most of the castings or forgings on a British car. Of course, this characteristic of Italian cars is imbedded in the whole culture and has been for 1000s of years. Think of those marvelous, perfectly executed aqueducts that are still standing with a perfect pitch of inches over a mile. Not to diminish my charming British cars at all, as there are no Italian cars in my garage these days, but two Triumphs! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. > Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from > 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote > would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the > four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection > contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor > though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds-- > about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are > absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. > > An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium > alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking > because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate > slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Apr 20, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Yer killin me here.... >> >> hehe. >> >> Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability >> enhancer for >> the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. >> >> Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. >> >> Terry Stetler >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: BillDentin at aol.com >> To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; >> henry at henryfrye.com ; >> fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods >> >> >> In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, >> 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: >> >> Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? >> >> NAW! He's still limp. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> mailman/li >> stinfo/fot> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markjwea at msn.com Sat Apr 21 06:16:57 2007 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:16:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Just in case anyone is tempted to make sparks....titanium can catch fire and is very dificult to put out. Not as bad as magnesium but still a big problem. Mark Weathers >From: Gasket Works USA >To: Keith Files , 'Jim >Cun' >CC: 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: [Fot] titanium >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:47:58 -0500 (CDT) > >Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks >when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low >suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the >suspension. > >m > >M.N.Dunst >Gasket Works USA, LLC >gmt-8 Pacific time >626.358.1616 voice >626.628.3777 fax >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Sat Apr 21 06:18:24 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:18:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jag question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2007 7:53:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: #1 at the front or #1 at the back? #1 at rear ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Apr 21 06:36:42 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:36:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: titanium rods References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <003201c78411$b7ae4370$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Be aware that the titanium rod doesn't contact the crank. High friction and wear! Cheers Chris From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 21 06:56:52 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:56:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: Uncle Jack wrote: >Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh >in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR >use that weigh 650 grams per rod. For a TR6, my Carillos are 443g each, compared with stock rods at 698g each, and lightened stock about 600g each (includes ARP bolts). JE +0.047" are 290g each, compare with AE Hepolite +0.030" at 410g each (includes wrist pins and plugs). I wonder if the rotational mass of a TR4 motor could be greater than the 6? After all, the rubber TR6 crankshaft has to weigh less than Uncle Jack's flash new steel crank from Moldex. Shane Ingate, titanium free, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Apr 21 08:23:07 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:23:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful > parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't > mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly > with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium > valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. > What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 > pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are > absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. > > An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used > in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks > propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's > either good, or it's gone. > l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak link in the chain? Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Apr 21 08:47:28 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:47:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: Current Formula 1 V8s are turning 20,000 rpm for qualifying, and 19,000rpm during the race. Back when they were "only" turning 15,000 to 16,000 Ferrari's block service life was 1000km, at which point they were changed out. The culprit? Sonically induced microfracturing. Isn't technology grand? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: billb at bnj.com ; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak link in the chain? Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From emanteno at comcast.net Sat Apr 21 09:41:33 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:41:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <042120071541.17234.462A30AD000D5A55000043522200758942970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Terry Stetler" > Isn't technology grand? Almost as grand as a limitless r & d budget. Irv From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Apr 21 10:09:07 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:09:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Jag question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2007 5:04:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Jack W. Drews" > Subject: [Fot] Jag question > To: fot at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147 at ns3.geneseo.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack I have no idea if Jaguar does it differently than Triumph, but Triumphs are always counted front to back. I thought that was the convention with in-line engines. Suffice to say that if they are counted back to front in the USA, then the British will almost certainly count front to back! Rgds Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 11:54:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:54:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A90E45-6872-4A55-90FF-24EF8C3E27B3@bnj.com> So the bizarre thing about the MV is that it's a street bike. The engine is expected to last more than 100,000 miles, and a few of the Brutales (naked bike version) are approaching that mileage without major mechanical failure. My Senna will not have more than 10,000 miles on the odo if I continue to own it. After 200 miles in the saddle I need help getting off the bike. The most fiendish ergonomics since the Iron Maiden. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Current Formula 1 V8s are turning 20,000 rpm for qualifying, and > 19,000rpm during the race. > > Back when they were "only" turning 15,000 to 16,000 Ferrari's block > service life was 1000km, at which point they were changed out. The > culprit? Sonically induced microfracturing. > > Isn't technology grand? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: billb at bnj.com ; tlizzard at msn.com > Cc: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > > In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. >> Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP >> from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, >> Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I >> suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel >> injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a >> motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs >> 413 pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and >> retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look >> like jewelry. >> >> An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium >> alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking >> because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't >> propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. > > > l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak > link in the chain? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 12:01:16 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:01:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jag question In-Reply-To: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: Jags are numbered back to front. Whacky buggers--what were they thinking. Drove me crazy on a 420 I tried to restore (wound up selling it as a parts car). In fact the biggest problem the car turned out to have was a cracked crank caused by the engine builder putting the bearing caps on in reverse order. Turned out that the simple fool put the #1 cap in the front. I would have done exactly the same. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 4:51 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at > the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 12:01:58 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:01:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jag question In-Reply-To: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <93ACA684-D409-4F17-8F85-DCED6EACE06B@bnj.com> Oh, and by the way--RUN. He couldn't be that good a friend. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 4:51 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at > the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Apr 21 19:14:31 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:14:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium References: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006b01c7847b$94fc3930$6401a8c0@TER2> Porsche 911 style, (935) rods used to cost $1,000. 00 each 15 years ago! Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works USA" To: "Keith Files" ; "'Jim Cun'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium > Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks > when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low > suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the > suspension. > > m > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Apr 21 23:29:23 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:29:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] time Message-ID: Did you know that at three minutes and four seconds after 2 AM on the 6th of May this year, the time and date will be 02:03:04 05/06/07. This will never happen again. Now you know everything. And for the rest of the world, outside of the USA, they get to do that on 5th June! Regards Lion From triumph_marx at freenet.de Sun Apr 22 16:01:52 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:01:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] test References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Apr 22 18:40:31 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:40:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. Message-ID: Well... I finally got my street TR3 out this weekend. She languished most of last year with a battery problem, an Optima no less, so I called the shop where I purchased it and they swapped it for a new one, very cool. Popped it in on Saturday and took an exploritory first drive. All was good. So.. This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) What a sweet car the TR3 is. A real car. One you have to drive, not just operate. Everything from the concise instruments to the delicate drift of the tail through a sweeper, to the intake bark of the Weber carbs brings you back to what driving is all about. Only a motorcycle is a more visceral experience than this. I come up on a rubber bumper MGB (why on earth did they keep making those things?) that is taking it's good time, I casaually move the fingers of my left hand to the OD switch, drop down to normal and let 2185cc's do the talking. The hapless MG becomes a spec in my mirrors. And so it went for just over 100 miles. Life is good. Terry Stetler From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 22 20:01:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:01:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst possible time to change email addresses--when Mark was being nibbled to death by ducks. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, wrote: > More than one month off list. > > Anyone who can read this? > Used my old address maybe the old one is better? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 22 20:10:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:10:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds great Terry, I need to build myself a street TR3. Lord knows I don't have to buy a thing to put one together--maybe two. I took Peyote out this afternoon. A similar situation though it was only about 100 yards. I needed some space in the shop to clean out all the crap. So I backed Peyote down the gravel drive (not easy in a car that has too little ground clearance to drive over a 5/8ths socket) to my steep, moss covered driveway, got the nose pointed upwards and gave it the gas. It didn't move. The rear tires were just spinning, so I lifted a little and it drifted right. Gave it a little poke and it drifted left. back and forth a few times until the tires warmed up and the moss got scrubbed off, and I zoomed to the top of the driveway, turned the wheel right with no effect whatsoever on the nose, lifted a little and the car turned in, gave it some poop and the back end swung out, the car squirted into into the driveway. I stopped, got out, and thought--Man, that's Peyote in a nutshell. Nothing works the way it should, but everything WORKS. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Well... > > I finally got my street TR3 out this weekend. She languished most > of last > year with a battery problem, an Optima no less, so I called the > shop where I > purchased it and they swapped it for a new one, very cool. Popped > it in on > Saturday and took an exploritory first drive. All was good. > > So.. > > This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my > habitual Sunday > breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American > breakfast, I set > out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. > A beautiful > twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded > off by my > inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put > the top up.) > > What a sweet car the TR3 is. A real car. One you have to drive, > not just > operate. Everything from the concise instruments to the delicate > drift of the > tail through a sweeper, to the intake bark of the Weber carbs > brings you back > to what driving is all about. Only a motorcycle is a more visceral > experience > than this. > > I come up on a rubber bumper MGB (why on earth did they keep making > those > things?) that is taking it's good time, I casaually move the > fingers of my > left hand to the OD switch, drop down to normal and let 2185cc's do > the > talking. The hapless MG becomes a spec in my mirrors. > > And so it went for just over 100 miles. > > Life is good. > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 22 23:19:10 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:19:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <462C41CE.8010006@bradakis.com> Bill Babcock wrote: >I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst >possible time to change email addresses--when Mark was being nibbled >to death by ducks > > Actually he's still on the list, email is still getting sent to him. He just doesn't want to accept it: : host mx.freenet.de[194.97.50.144] said: 550 Submission from dynamic IP requires authentication (in reply to RCPT TO command) Why the folks at freenet think I'm using dynamic IPs is anybody's guess. mjb. From budscars at msn.com Tue Apr 17 19:43:46 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:43:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event Message-ID: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> Hello Gang....Are any of you racing in the SCCA vintage at Laguna Seca this weekend?......As of 4/16 entry list..TRIUMPHS.. it's Joe Siam and Racer Bud(Me) in Spitfires...Gary Horskorta in a TR4...Charles Turvey in a GT-6..Scott Adair in a TR250..Frank Emmet in a TR-8.......MG's..Ed Lamantia in a 1962 MGA...Scott Brown in an MGA...Tim Arnett in a Datsun 2000 Factory Special..Randy Arborgast in a Mini Cooper... This looks like a Great event...with Victory Lane Mag. and SCCA hosting a dinner and welcome banquet on Sat Night(welcome banquet was originaly set for Friday night)......The OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Banner Will Be Flying...at... LAGUNA SECA .....Go Baby Go! Hope to see you There Gang Racer Bud From trmarty at glwb.net Tue Apr 17 20:24:43 2007 From: trmarty at glwb.net (Martin Sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Autocross at Road America May 19th Message-ID: 610d8977b44a290f3ba50a8296720510 Ok, folks young and old one and all. Here is the scoop for the Autocross taking place at Road America May 19th in conjunction with the MOTRAH 007 Vintage Race event. It is open to all Morgan, Triumph, and Austin Healey vehicles from bone stock to full race. You will run with similar prepared cars. It should be a blast so if you want to participate get your registration in because there are a limited number of slots available. See you there, Marty Sukey MOTRAH Autocross Registration Plans are being finalized for the MOTRAH Autocross on Saturday, May 19th. We are now ready to begin accepting registrations from Morgan, Triumph and Austin Healey drivers for this event. The Autocross will be run from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm on the Briggs and Stratton Motorplex at Road America and is being organized by the members of Windy City Morgan Owners Group, Chicago's Morgan club. Due to time and capacity constraints, it may be necessary to limit the number of entries so it is important that you register now to guarantee a spot. From now until May 6, 2007, an early registration period will be held. During this period, the first 25 registrations for each marque (total of 75) will be guaranteed a place in the Autocross. Beginning May7, 2007 and continuing through May 18, 2007, registration will be on a first come basis regardless of marque until all available Autocross spots are filled. In order to register, e-mail or telephone Steve Balsamo at Windy City MOG [ HYPERLINK "mailto:sdbalsamo at aol.com"sdbalsamo at aol.com, (847) 242-0717 ] stating name, address and type of car. This notification will hold your place in the event. You will then be sent a registration package including Rules, class structure and a registration form. This should be completed and returned to Steve at P.O. Box 210, Glencoe, Illinois 60022. There is no entry fee for the event. If you have a Healey, Triumph or Morgan you are welcome as our guest. Prizes and operating costs are being covered by Windy City MOG. If you have any questions regarding the Autocross, please feel free to contact Steve Balsamo as outlined above. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 4/17/2007 4:43 AM From BillB at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 22:53:43 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:53:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event In-Reply-To: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> References: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> Message-ID: Unfortunately no--I just got back from Maui and need to get ready to start the four month long All Aluminum Tour. But there's lots of good friends going. I think Cameron Healy will be there with his Pooper, of perhaps the new 908 he just bought. I'd love to see that run. I know Mark Powell is going and Jack Healy is bringing his new BMW. Have fun guys. See you in seattle at the Spring Fling. First Northwest Outing for Nero, my truly weird trailer. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 3:43 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hello Gang....Are any of you racing in the SCCA vintage at Laguna > Seca this weekend?......As of 4/16 entry list..TRIUMPHS.. it's Joe > Siam and Racer Bud(Me) in Spitfires...Gary Horskorta in a > TR4...Charles Turvey in a GT-6..Scott Adair in a TR250..Frank Emmet > in a TR-8.......MG's..Ed Lamantia in a 1962 MGA...Scott Brown in an > MGA...Tim Arnett in a Datsun 2000 Factory Special..Randy Arborgast > in a Mini Cooper... > > This looks like a Great event...with Victory Lane Mag. and SCCA > hosting a dinner and welcome banquet on Sat Night(welcome banquet > was originaly set for Friday night)......The OLD GUYS STILL DUMB > ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Banner Will Be Flying...at... LAGUNA > SECA .....Go Baby Go! > > Hope to see you There Gang > Racer Bud From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 23 00:20:44 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:20:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` Message-ID: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. Thanks, mjb. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 23 01:40:51 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` In-Reply-To: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> References: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I've got a set of those myself that I took off a Toyota 2TG motor and ran for quite a while on my cheater TR3. Pain in the ass to tune, as I recall the air corrector jets are backwards to Weber practice of leaning the mix as the number goes higher. Also of course you can't borrow anything from fellow racers--weber parts don't fit. As I recall I got all the bits from Mikuni USA, but I finally gave up on the carbs as too much hassle. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 11:20 PM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: > We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber > DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? > I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From john at race-dogs.com Mon Apr 23 01:01:29 2007 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:01:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` References: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000e01c78575$37f7c100$1f01a8c0@jawsxp> Wolfcreek racing in the east- Rebello Racing ion the west- They have all the Mikuni stuff- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` > We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber > DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? > I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 23 01:05:26 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:05:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] This is better Message-ID: <462C5AB6.5020505@bradakis.com> So just like last sunday, I'm sitting at the computer for way too long. But this time it is because things are working, not like last sunday when I was beating my head against a virtual wall, cursing Qwest and the horse they rode in on, etc. Over 100 hours without a network was starting to get to me. That network outage came at ironic time, April 11th, actually 1 am on the 12th to be more precise. Those of you who have been around for a while might remember that April 11th is the day that Team.Net became a registered domain back in 1991. So this was Team.Net's 16th birthday. And I was getting ready to send out a message to folks about the annual fund drive. I would have felt pretty bad if I had sent the message, and then gotten booted off the air - "Send me money for something that doesn't work" It is nice to have things working again, and I'll manage to get the donation drive underway in a day or two. Good thing, because it is starting to sound like I'm losing a bearing in one of the hard drives on the main server, time for some upgrades. But for now, I think I have all the FOT admin tasks done that required my attention. Maybe I can get some Triumph work done this week! mjb. http://fatchancegarage.com From triumph_marx at freenet.de Mon Apr 23 03:48:05 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:48:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] test References: <171017.13850.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c7858c$7e5dca60$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> So I can get through but cannot read. How do we fix that misfunction that I only can send but don't receive FOT mails? Any idea? Come on...you flew several times to the moon....can't be that difficult. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Diehl To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test Gotcha!! triumph_marx at freenet.de wrote: More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Ed Diehl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 23 06:13:53 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:13:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:40:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) Did you take a side trip up Tontoganny Rd. ? Jack Woehrle (grew up iin Maumee) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 23 07:37:44 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Gasket Works USA wrote: > Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white > sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my > cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and > tune the suspension. The F1 guys usedto do this. Or was it tungsten... oh well, it was one of those "t" metals. But they made wicked kool sparks when the tub bottomed. > m rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From triumph_marx at freenet.de Mon Apr 23 08:14:57 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:14:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: test Message-ID: <003301c785b1$c6b78510$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Hi Bill, If this is true then I have to excuse myself. Changed the SPam filter for keeping the mails 10 days. FOT mails should catch there. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Cc: Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] test In a message you probably couldn't read Mark said it's your service provider bouncing the email for some reason. Unfortunately I deleted the message. Maybe Mark can tell you directly, or this message might be bounced too. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:48 AM, wrote: So I can get through but cannot read. How do we fix that misfunction that I only can send but don't receive FOT mails? Any idea? Come on...you flew several times to the moon....can't be that difficult. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Diehl To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test Gotcha!! triumph_marx at freenet.de wrote: More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Ed Diehl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Apr 23 09:29:54 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:29:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch/Carbs Message-ID: <002401c785bc$3e050250$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello All: Completed a good weekend at Laguna Seca with the SCCA Spring Vintage Classic. 175 entries of all types, not your traditional vintage classes but lots of interesting cars. Our small bore group of thirty seven cars included about one third Mini-Coopers then a bunch of Porsche 356s and 911s, couple of Datsuns, couple of Spitfires, a TR250, my TR4 along with some MGAs. A very trick Mini-Cooper won the race...geez was he fast...lapped about half the field in twenty-three minute race. Questions: I have a stock clutch slave cylinder and a Wilwood clutch reservoir. After bleeding the system at the end of the day, I checked it the next morning and the fluid was a dark gray. It had been clear after bleeding the system and there was no leakage plus the system worked fine during the subsequent race. Any ideas on what could be coloring the fluid? Anyone know of a good supplier of SU needles? My car is running a bit lean at the top end as indicated by a light tan colored exhaust pipe. The color is proper gray at lower to mid range RPMs. I believe I need a needle that has a narrower taper on the bottom portion. Currently running Moss Motors RH needle (374-220) which is supposedly their rich version. I'm running stock carbs, mid-range cam, 11.5 to 1 compression. Thanks Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Apr 23 10:34:16 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:34:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. References: Message-ID: Yes I did Jack, but it's become so developed out there now that you really cannot drive "con brio" anymore. Still fun though. I repeated much of the ride later in the day on my '04 Triumph Bonneville. A "Triumphant" day all 'round. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: tlizzard at msn.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:40:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) Did you take a side trip up Tontoganny Rd. ? Jack Woehrle (grew up iin Maumee) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See what's free at AOL.com. From LOddTR at aol.com Mon Apr 23 17:55:50 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:55:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] To Mordy Dunst Message-ID: I am interested in replacing my windscreen on the TR250 vintage racer. I like the one that is on your car as shown on the FOT TR4 picture page. Can you direct me to the supplier? Leo Oddi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 24 10:57:45 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motrah Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208E24BB5@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I just licked the envelope on my registration for Motrah. I wasn't sure if I would be able to make it but I guess I'm committed (based on the refund policy). At this point I am looking for hotel recommendations. I'll need beds for 3 guys so I'm thinking there must be a Suite type place with 2 doubles and a couch/bed. Any suggestions appreciated. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 24 11:32:33 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:32:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Motrah Message-ID: Osthoff has two bedroom suites and living room with fireplace....kitchen & two baths. Ask for the 'weekend retreat' special. you have to ask. includes $25 daily food & drink voucher. SVRA has it's banquet there, too, and it is close to the track. > I just licked the envelope on my registration for Motrah. I wasn't sure > if I would be able to make it but I guess I'm committed (based on the > refund policy). At this point I am looking for hotel recommendations. > I'll need beds for 3 guys so I'm thinking there must be a Suite type > place with 2 doubles and a couch/bed. Any suggestions appreciated. > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > _______________________________________________ From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Apr 25 09:42:11 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:42:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transportation available Message-ID: <20070425154049.5F62F187A5F@autox.team.net> A friend of mine is doing some truck hauling in the next couple of weeks and I thought some FOT members might be able to use some space on his vehicles. The first trip will be made with just a big pickup truck. He willl depart Albuquerque, NM on April 29 and go to Dallas to arrive on the 30th. From there he will to to Austin on aprox the 1st of May then Abilene, Tx on May 2 then back to Abq. His next trip will depart Abq. on May 6th, again with only a big pickup truck to Phoenix on May 7 then on to Los Angeles to arrive on the 9th. There he is picking up a 30 ft gooseneck trailer going back to Abq. via Flagstaff. The trailer will have aprox 6 ft of space available on it. He should arrive back in Abq on aprox the 11th or 12th. The driver's name is Bob Porter and his cell phone number is 1 505 400 2607. Thought this might be of use to someone. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 25 18:25:43 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:25:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction Message-ID: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> Just saw this on the CVAR groups list: "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you." LOL! Susan :) -- ***** Oh, I would just *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize! ***** From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 25 17:52:15 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction In-Reply-To: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> References: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> Message-ID: <4B7B4C80-5647-40EF-B846-D48B859682BA@bnj.com> I've seen that before but it's still funny. If you're looking for some humor take a look at the Washington Post blog that Sheryl Crow and Larry David's wife are doing on their BioDiesel Bus Tour to fight Global Warming. As if the concept wasn't funny enough, the posts from Sheryl and whatever her name is are extraordinarily funny. I presume that's the intention (though I'm having a hard time understanding the purpose). I hope that's the intention, I'd hate to think anyone that talented (Sheryl Crow) could be so stupid http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/ 2007/04/21/AR2007042101385_pf.html though after seeing them transform Carl Rove from archvillian into a sympathetic figure I've got to wonder. I'm going to dedicate the All Aluminum Tour to fighting global warming as well. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to do it, but I'll think of something. Right now I'm considering single ply bathroom tissue. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 25, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Just saw this on the CVAR groups list: > > "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and > oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. > Horsepower > is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with > you." > > LOL! > > Susan :) > > -- > ***** Oh, I would just *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize! ***** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 19:40:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:40:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/2007 6:23:22 PM Central Daylight Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: > "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and > oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower > is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with > you." > > LOL! > We saw Max Papis exhibit all four characteristics at Road America. (It took a Gehl to move the wall back in place) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 19:42:19 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:42:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming & The All Alloy Tour Message-ID: > I'm going to dedicate the All Aluminum Tour to fighting global > warming as well. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to do it, but I'll > think of something. Right now I'm considering single ply bathroom > tissue. > > Single Ply Charmin & Beano From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 20:00:23 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:00:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America Message-ID: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH! "A.R.E." is pleased to announce the sponsorship of a very fine Chronograph Watch at MOTRAH 007 to be presented at Road America. Criteria for recognition will BE much like the 'Kastner Cup', with an emphasis on Performance, Presentation of the TR, and the Passion of the Piloto. It looks like we are going to have an assemblage of TR Competition Cars that has not been seen in recent history. Far flung and fast TRs...from all corners of the US and at least a couple of drivers from the UK. The clock is ticking down. Regards...... From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 16:13:26 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest of you folks belong to handling this situation? Thanks, Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 26 16:31:07 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:31:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/2007 5:14:51 PM Central Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Everyone should have a driver's license and proof of their own insurance. If you are autocrossing, you might stop doing that without insurance From Herald948 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 16:47:10 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:47:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/2007 6:32:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? By all means, incorporate, get insurance if the club can afford it, and -- if possible -- take advantage of any attorneys who also happen to be members or friends of members! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Thu Apr 26 16:56:15 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:56:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > How are the car > clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? For drives held on public roads, we've been basically ignoring the risk. The club itself has no assets (well, not enough to be worth pursuing in court anyway) and the risk to individuals within the club would appear to be minimal. We emphasize that participants should obey all applicable laws and exercise their own judgment. For events not held on public roads, we obtain event insurance through VTR. At least here in CA, the venues require this anyway. I'm no lawyer, nor do I play one on television. But some of our club members are lawyers, and they seem to feel this approach is reasonable. Of course, now that I think about it, the lawyers rarely organize events ... maybe there's something they're not telling us ? Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From 356drb at indy.net Thu Apr 26 18:20:08 2007 From: 356drb at indy.net (Brett Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:20:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0894FBF0-B63C-4485-A93C-0AB0E4C449F3@indy.net> Our non-denominational British car club buys a million dollar liability policy each year for around $600. We were concerned that VTR or Austin Healey club policies would not cover us since only a portion of the organizing group is with one of those clubs. Our policy limits us to non-timed events, such as shows, tours and gimmick rallys. Should any of us want to do an autocross or TSD rally, we would likely "hire" our local SCCA region to put one on -- we've never felt the need, though. Our group has no official formal structure. Our member attorneys felt that the insurance would sufficiently shield the organizing committee. Brett Johnson Indianapolis On Apr 26, 2007, at 6:13 PM, marty sukey wrote: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non > marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 > members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle > liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or > other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody > could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the > risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings > but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that > the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp? > sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Apr 26 18:10:02 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:10:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: <20070426.181003.-309099.20.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Marty, In some states, Incorporation gives some protections. Our litigious society causes great paranoia among many people. I've spoken to lawyers who insist clubs must have insurance for everything. Extra for each board member, riders on top of the policy for any moving event. Another lawyer who says if you are getting members together for social reasons, no insurance is needed. For a moving event, basic liability is enough. Individual board member coverage is a waste of club funds. Affiliates of a national club may get insurance through that affiliation. Sometimes, it can offer a local club low cost access to riders to cover their moving events, such as an autocross, track day, rallye, or the like. Check your state laws to see if Incorporation helps you out enough. There are some good companies..out there offering products to cover club liability at a reasonable cost for a years coverage. Bill On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:13:26 -0500 "marty sukey" writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non > marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. > There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle > liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or > other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody > could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should > we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk > and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings > but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that > the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14 888 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Thu Apr 26 18:59:19 2007 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <000601c78867$4a7180b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Randall, I would believe that the board members of the club would be liable, especially given that the club has no assets, but then again, I'm not an attorney. I an Engineer who advises a room full of attorneys on technical issues. Jack For drives held on public roads, we've been basically ignoring the risk. The club itself has no assets (well, not enough to be worth pursuing in court anyway) and the risk to individuals within the club would appear to be minimal. We emphasize that participants should obey all applicable laws and exercise their own judgment. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 20:02:12 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:02:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America Message-ID: Sounds neat but you are going to have to think of a catchy name for this award but its going to be tough to top the FATBASTARD award but I know you can do it Joe. Marty >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >To: fot at autox.team.net >CC: Jensen87 at aol.com >Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:00:23 EDT > >FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH! > >"A.R.E." is pleased to announce the sponsorship of a very fine Chronograph >Watch at MOTRAH 007 to be presented at Road America. > >Criteria for recognition will BE much like the 'Kastner Cup', with an >emphasis on Performance, Presentation of the TR, and the Passion of the >Piloto. > >It looks like we are going to have an assemblage of TR Competition Cars >that >has not been seen in recent history. Far flung and fast TRs...from all >corners of the US and at least a couple of drivers from the UK. > >The clock is ticking down. > >Regards...... >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 29 04:32:32 2007 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:32:32 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor Message-ID: Dear Listers, Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - a) Initial timing used b) Total mechanical advance used c) What RPM total advance is achieved Thank you for your assistance. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _____________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Apr 29 08:10:42 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:10:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F871@server.Triumph.local> Right, wrong, or indifferent, here's my thoughts and what I run. Once you have the motor on cam and in the powerband, it wants to see total advance. The only reason we have the advance mechanism is because we need to retard the spark for starting. So... Initial timing = less . I set the Mallory's total advance to 10 degrees because the 24 that's built into it made it very difficult to start hot. I did not buy the fancy adjustable base plate, I simply bent the tang in the Mallory that limits how far the points plate can travel. I set it to 10 degrees, it worked, and I have not messed with it since. Is 10 degrees the optimal setting? No clue. As to what RPM total advance is achieved, I set mine to hit full advance WELL before I get into the on-track useable powerband. YMMV. Obviously, this applies to my track-only racecar. On street-going cars this approach probably would not work so well. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Vucinic > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor > (Mechanical > Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - > > a) Initial timing used > > b) Total mechanical advance used > > c) What RPM total advance is achieved From PegAndBobM at aol.com Sun Apr 29 09:40:58 2007 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:40:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a front hub. The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to turn 5 at La Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need a source for competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition rotors) and at least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't know what else may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I came down on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the front the fender off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, so may need a left door skin also. Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted directly at (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) Thanks Bob Miller ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Fubog1 at aol.com Sun Apr 29 09:55:42 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:55:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2007 11:41:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PegAndBobM at aol.com writes: Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a front hub. The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to turn 5 at La Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need a source for competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition rotors) and at least a good front fender. My sincere condolences. Glad the damage wasn't worse. Sorry I can't help with parts but I'm sure that others on the list will be able to help. I'll also apologize in advance but I have to ask the obvious question.... Did you flat-spot the brake rotor...? Glen (with tongue in cheek) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 29 11:39:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <830F5508-3330-4040-99F6-DB8CA686D48D@bnj.com> Bob, I put dibs on a two sets of southwick hubs that were left over and then completely forgot about them until now. I actually still want both, but if you like you can have one set. Hey Jack, are those still available or has my atrocious memory screwed me once more? Where are you located? I need to take stock, but I suspect I might have a slightly nasty left front fender I don't need. I've also got a pile of stock rotors. I'm in Portland, OR and I'm leaving on my long, long tour in a week and a half, so time would be of the essence. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:40 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a > front hub. > The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to > turn 5 at La > Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need > a source for > competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition > rotors) and at > least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't > know what else > may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I > came down > on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the > front the fender > off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, > so may need > a left door skin also. > Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted > directly at > (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ > (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) > Thanks > Bob Miller > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 29 13:02:50 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:02:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Learning new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just did a Driving 101: Learning New Tracks article on my blog that some of you might find useful www.allaluminumtour.com Any comments, corrections and opinions are welcome. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:40 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a > front hub. > The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to > turn 5 at La > Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need > a source for > competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition > rotors) and at > least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't > know what else > may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I > came down > on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the > front the fender > off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, > so may need > a left door skin also. > Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted > directly at > (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ > (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) > Thanks > Bob Miller > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From EDENMA at aol.com Sun Apr 29 13:22:32 2007 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:22:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: Bob: Please tell me that was not your immaculate, beautiful, historic TR3? I have some stock TR4 hubs and rotors that I would be happy to lend you until you can source some replacements. Even cooler than that they are right here in Evergreen! I would suggest the Southwick hubs if you can get them. My TR4 had all the Southwick hubs and axles when I bought it. I do not have any TR3 fenders however I know Paul has some nice ones down at Sports Car Craftsmen as they were part of the stuff we sold him when we liquidated Jim Rickel's shop. Give me a ring at home or on the cell: 303-912-4596(c) 303-674-0579(h) Cheers! Mark 64 SCCA GP Spit 62 TR4 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Apr 29 17:38:42 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:38:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability Message-ID: <200704292338.l3TNcorI348319@ns3.geneseo.net> The Southwick aluminum hubs are specifically designed to prevent breakage. Therefore they are not particularly lighter than the stock ones but they are hell for stout. They have larger bearings which still fit the stock spindles and the bearings last much longer because of their size and because the aluminum hubs conduct the brake heat away from them faster. The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. You can see this setup at www.tonydrews.com click on "jack's parts" There are none available right now except for the two spare sets that Bill Babcock wanted, and I purchased them for him and have them in storage at my shop. I'll ship them to whomever Bill wants me to. Here's the problem: Southwick is not a mail order parts supply house. He is a machine shop. To make a run, he must purchase a complete bar of 6" diameter 6061 T1 aluminum, which makes 25 pairs of hubs. For him to make a run, he has a cash outlay of over $10,000. Therefore unless he has orders in hand for at least half that number, he does not make them. He is a small machine shop and cannot carry this kind of inventory. My only role in this thing is that I do the customer contact work for Southwick, through this FOT list. I receive no compensation. I just do it for the good of the sport. Several times in the last two years I have surveyed the FOT list and asked how many folks want these. Each time I have gotten a response of perhaps five definite customers and perhaps five "maybe's". This is a very meager response - not enough to warrant a run. So here's the offer: If those folks on the list who will commit to purchasing one set of hubs will email me, if I get 12 firm requests I will go to Southie and do my best to negotiate a run. Fair? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 30 05:58:32 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:58:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. I can attest to the cost of the bearings. Last week I was going to order a set (of bearings) for stock, until I was quoted ~$250 for an axle set (Timken). The inner bearing & race is big $$. Of course if they have good service life they're worth it. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 30 10:55:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:55:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's getting crazy expensive for some things, way beyond any general inflation. Racing brake pads have gone from 75 bucks to 300. Ball and roller bearings are astronomical. Used to be that I'd take my bearings to the local bearing supply house and get way better bearings for half or less of the money than "official" parts. Now they're the same price (still worth doing though because the quality is better). Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:58 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: > > The last time I talked with Soutwick > about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 > range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason > unknown. > > > I can attest to the cost of the bearings. Last week I was going to > order a > set (of bearings) for stock, until I was quoted ~$250 for an axle > set (Timken). > The inner bearing & race is big $$. > Of course if they have good service life they're worth it. > Glen > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From scypher at usa.com Mon Apr 30 12:15:14 2007 From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:15:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch and Spitfire Gearbox Message-ID: Can any of the experts comment on installing a tilton pressure plate with a stock gearbox/bellhousing? I'll be installing the motor and trans this weekend, and won't want to pull it back out because I need a spacer or shim somewhere. Thanks -Scott From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 30 15:18:14 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:18:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: Amici, I recall a discussion a few years back where Kas expounded on the value and importance of the "Dongle" on the mid year transmissions. I don't recall the details but do recall it was important to stop the cases from cracking. I've recently been given a trans (thoroughly rusted) with a complete dongle system with all the strap steel mounts and such. Does anyone have a street car that needs this harmonic dampener? I could toss it like all the others over the years but it may be the detail someone needs for their cruiser. Anybody wants it, all I ask is the shipping cost... Steve Smith ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 30 15:23:13 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208F30D47@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Send it to TRF so they can make copies. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Amici, I recall a discussion a few years back where Kas expounded on the value and importance of the "Dongle" on the mid year transmissions. I don't recall the details but do recall it was important to stop the cases from cracking. I've recently been given a trans (thoroughly rusted) with a complete dongle system with all the strap steel mounts and such. Does anyone have a street car that needs this harmonic dampener? I could toss it like all the others over the years but it may be the detail someone needs for their cruiser. Anybody wants it, all I ask is the shipping cost... Steve Smith ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 30 15:27:08 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:27:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: I'd be happy to but do you think they'd be intersted? How many enthusiasts would buy such a thing without the full understanding of it's purpose? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 30 15:35:12 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:35:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208F30D76@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I don't know. If the piece eliminates vibration you'd think the public would want it but you are probably correct. The market size may not be large enough to justify making the part. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:27 PM To: Kramer, Robert; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home I'd be happy to but do you think they'd be intersted? How many enthusiasts would buy such a thing without the full understanding of it's purpose? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 30 16:05:12 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:05:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: I wonder how many Dongles I have had over the years, and thrown away. I didnt even know they were called Dongles. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 30 16:27:01 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:27:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] FoT T-Shirts New Run? Message-ID: There have been some inquiries on FoT T-shirts recently. These have been a good value and widely recognized. Ted has provided a good quality shirt. We might be able to convince someone to coordinate the orders. Makes sense to me. Show of e-hands? Joe From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Apr 30 16:50:34 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor References: Message-ID: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign switch thrown to the on position. Anybody ever try that? Henry's getting pretty close!! art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > Dear Listers, > > Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical > Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - > > a) Initial timing used > > b) Total mechanical advance used > > c) What RPM total advance is achieved > > > > Thank you for your assistance. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > > _____________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 > 9:14 AM From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 30 17:58:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:58:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <51F50CDF-1360-4CFD-B697-C29C6959DC1E@bnj.com> I do it whenever I forget to shut off my accusump. If it's been a very long time or it's a fresh rebuild I pull the dizzy and spin the pump to fill and pressurize the accusump and get oil everywhere in the engine. Then I crank it with the ignition off until the engine is spinning nicely and flip on the ignition. I don't do it because my advance is locked--I use a little, about ten degrees. But I use pretty soft springs. Smokey built a lot of cars that ran in a narrow band of RPMs. I bet there's some torque to be gained with a properly set up advance, but I don't have a dyno or easy access to one, so I don't have a clue what that might be. Seat of the pants won't work. It's probably way less than ten percent. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:50 PM, riverside wrote: > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that > dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting > was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned > off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign > switch thrown to the on position. > Anybody ever try that? > Henry's getting pretty close!! > > art de armond > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor >> (Mechanical >> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start >> with: - >> >> a) Initial timing used >> >> b) Total mechanical advance used >> >> c) What RPM total advance is achieved >> >> >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: >> 4/30/2007 >> 9:14 AM > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Apr 30 19:58:56 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability In-Reply-To: <200704292338.l3TNcorI348319@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000001c78b94$476d6200$2b24b348@blake1> Jack, Consider me committed, to the hubs that is. 1 pair. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability The Southwick aluminum hubs are specifically designed to prevent breakage. Therefore they are not particularly lighter than the stock ones but they are hell for stout. They have larger bearings which still fit the stock spindles and the bearings last much longer because of their size and because the aluminum hubs conduct the brake heat away from them faster. The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. You can see this setup at www.tonydrews.com click on "jack's parts" There are none available right now except for the two spare sets that Bill Babcock wanted, and I purchased them for him and have them in storage at my shop. I'll ship them to whomever Bill wants me to. Here's the problem: Southwick is not a mail order parts supply house. He is a machine shop. To make a run, he must purchase a complete bar of 6" diameter 6061 T1 aluminum, which makes 25 pairs of hubs. For him to make a run, he has a cash outlay of over $10,000. Therefore unless he has orders in hand for at least half that number, he does not make them. He is a small machine shop and cannot carry this kind of inventory. My only role in this thing is that I do the customer contact work for Southwick, through this FOT list. I receive no compensation. I just do it for the good of the sport. Several times in the last two years I have surveyed the FOT list and asked how many folks want these. Each time I have gotten a response of perhaps five definite customers and perhaps five "maybe's". This is a very meager response - not enough to warrant a run. So here's the offer: If those folks on the list who will commit to purchasing one set of hubs will email me, if I get 12 firm requests I will go to Southie and do my best to negotiate a run. Fair? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Apr 30 19:50:36 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:50:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F876@server.Triumph.local> I did try that. Couldn't get the engine to start when I set it to my desired advance. I sort of remembering getting it running, setting to 30, locking the dizzy down, having the engine go off cam and stall. Then it would not re-fire. Those high torque starters are really great for spinning over hot, high compression engines, but with the gear reduction they do not spin them particularly fast. That doesn't help. > -----Original Message----- > From: Art DeArmond > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that dizzy be locked > (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. > Anybody ever try that? From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Apr 30 19:53:25 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 35 dollars nolbc Message-ID: <000601c78b93$81b9f690$6401a8c0@alex> http://youtube.com/watch?v=p0JWgwTB8jA This may work well for Auto X . I could not pass by Tony Hawks helmet cam for short $$ at Toys R us on saturday . My son took it right out of the box and made a trip around the block the down load to the computor was a snap The camera comes with software for editing,graphics and sound but also records sound while its recording It has a 32mg flash card and can handle a 1g but with a 1g card the camera shuts down after 15min of recording and has to be restarted I should not be suprised but there are several videos on youtube titled Tony Hawk camera test I belive the camera sells for around $ 100.00 this just happened to be marked way down On sat there was one more on the shelf for $35 if any one wants it I can run back and get it if its still there>> feels like i should of bought em both at this point Its made or marketed buy WWW.playdigitalblue.com 888-800-0502 If any one just has to have one call me @800-478-4949 and i try and getit afta work on tuesday rob From kaskas at cox.net Mon Apr 30 21:52:05 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor References: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> <51F50CDF-1360-4CFD-B697-C29C6959DC1E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <019201c78ba4$16112bf0$750cc548@RWKastner> Trust me, there is an advantage in finding the correct advance curve. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: riverside Cc: FOT Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory Distributor I do it whenever I forget to shut off my accusump. If it's been a very long time or it's a fresh rebuild I pull the dizzy and spin the pump to fill and pressurize the accusump and get oil everywhere in the engine. Then I crank it with the ignition off until the engine is spinning nicely and flip on the ignition. I don't do it because my advance is locked--I use a little, about ten degrees. But I use pretty soft springs. Smokey built a lot of cars that ran in a narrow band of RPMs. I bet there's some torque to be gained with a properly set up advance, but I don't have a dyno or easy access to one, so I don't have a clue what that might be. Seat of the pants won't work. It's probably way less than ten percent. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:50 PM, riverside wrote: > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that > dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting > was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned > off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign > switch thrown to the on position. > Anybody ever try that? > Henry's getting pretty close!! > > art de armond > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor >> (Mechanical >> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start >> with: - >> >> a) Initial timing used >> >> b) Total mechanical advance used >> >> c) What RPM total advance is achieved >> >> >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: >> 4/30/2007 >> 9:14 AM > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 30 19:00:28 2007 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto Message-ID: <004e01c78b8c$1cefd330$bf524c0c@user90890nvpgh> Amici, The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair. The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable, Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto, is there any advance built into it? Just wondering. Bill Triumph Rescue From Labs0808 at aol.com Sun Apr 1 04:16:51 2007 From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:16:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Check out YouTube - Shell & Partizan Message-ID: _YouTube - Shell & Partizan_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qT_q8PXFrw) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Apr 1 07:33:20 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage Message-ID: I agree wholeheartedly. I spend quite a bit of time at Jays' shop. Bernard is a true craftsman and a great guy. Jim, the second in command ,races a Lotus 7. Also a cool guy. The shop is amazing. They also just got a 150 year old steam engine running. Video of it is at the site is cool. I was there the night they got it running. Also, if you click on 1956 Austin Healey video, you will see Jay and I talking about car restoration tips. Jay does have one Triumph, the red TR3 we had on our cover a while back. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and storage facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E type in Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars are fueld, charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show condition. He has three main garages two for storage and display and one for work. I thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed boy in a candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, a true mechanic of all things mooving. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Apr 1 12:42:04 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:42:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 Message-ID: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The brake pedal was very high on the TR5 street car and I discovered that the spacer block that is shown between the master cylinder vacuum booster and the firewall is missing. Apparently it got "missed" when the brake booster/master cylinder was reassembled after restoration. I am guessing that the same spacer block is used on the TR250, TR5 and TR6. The part is not available from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) If anyone has one of these spacer blocks they no longer need I'd like to purchase it. Or, if someone has one that they could take the dimensions off of, O.D.; I.D. bolt circle or pattern and thickness, I will machine one out of aluminum plate. It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. Having the dimensions will allow me to machine it, take the booster off and reassemble right away. Really only want to crawl up into that inside firewall by the pedals once. Just had back surgery. Thanks in advance for any help. Tim From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sun Apr 1 13:16:00 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:16:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 In-Reply-To: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: > The part is not available > from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) FYI, you can view pages & search the Moss catalog at http://www.mossmotors.com However, they don't appear to even have a P/N for that spacer. The Stanpart number is 148024, but TRF doesn't list it either. Rimmers does ... but they want almost $80 (40 GBP) + shipping for it. > It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. Looks thinner in the factory parts book, 1/2" or maybe 3/4". > Just had back surgery. Yuck !!! Randall From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Apr 1 17:31:08 2007 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (ejmajor250 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:31:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 Message-ID: <040120072331.18803.461040BC00084264000049732207022933CFCACD9D01060E03060A@comcast.net> Team Triumph (Scott Harper) in Waren Ohio is sure to have one. He has ton's of used TR stuff at reasonable prices. www.teamtriumph.com TEAM TRIUMPH BRITISH AUTOMOTIVE 695 Summit St NW(330) 392-7176 Warren, OH 44485-2800 From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Apr 1 20:44:24 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:44:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] piston needed Message-ID: <20070402024245.87D85187B83@autox.team.net> I need just one 1500cc Spitfire piston with rings size .060 over. Can anyone help with this request. Thsnk You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM ph 1 505 362-4350 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Apr 1 20:49:53 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Device Message-ID: FoT, I'm upgrading my helmet restraint device this year and will be listing my Hutchens Device (simple strap version) on eBay. If anyone is interested, please contact me directly before Tuesday. Thanks for allowing me this commercial moment. Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:17:39 2007 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:17:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 In-Reply-To: <000c01c7748d$719947b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Tim, I have lots of those. Youcan have one for $10 which includes postage. Give me a call tommorrow at 570-275-5705. Lorne Fritz Ps check out my web site. Sports-Car- Haven.com >From: "Tim Murphy" >To: "'FOT'" >Subject: [Fot] Brake booster spacer block, TR250, TR5, TR6 >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:42:04 -0500 > >The brake pedal was very high on the TR5 street car and I discovered that >the >spacer block that is shown between the master cylinder vacuum booster and >the >firewall is missing. Apparently it got "missed" when the brake >booster/master >cylinder was reassembled after restoration. I am guessing that the same >spacer block is used on the TR250, TR5 and TR6. The part is not available >from Moss I am told. (Still waiting for TR250, TR6 catalog from Moss.) > >If anyone has one of these spacer blocks they no longer need I'd like to >purchase it. Or, if someone has one that they could take the dimensions >off >of, O.D.; I.D. bolt circle or pattern and thickness, I will machine one out >of >aluminum plate. It looks to be about an inch thick in my Haynes manual. >Having the dimensions will allow me to machine it, take the booster off and >reassemble right away. Really only want to crawl up into that inside >firewall >by the pedals once. Just had back surgery. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Tim >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 2 00:01:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:01:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The tour starts soon In-Reply-To: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3AF43517-A006-4704-89C7-442D0D5925D5@bnj.com> I'm about to head back from Maui. I'm getting withdrawal symptoms. I enjoy myself here. Four months on the road going to race tracks. I 'm starting to think I might be nuts. But one thing I could use some help with is traveling music. I've put a post on my blog asking for recommendations of the best road music. I need a huge playlist. Any and all comments and suggestions welcome. The easiest way is to leave a comment on the blog. http://www.hawaiiv.com/allalum/?p=195 One other thing. I've sort of figured out what goes wrong with the ATC 2000 camera from Oregon Scientific. I can't recommend this camera to anyone because the company is terrible at customer service, but 120 bucks for self contained video camera the size and weight of a bratwurst is hard to pass up for anyone that would like to have in- car video. It turns out that the SD card that stores the video vibrates in the holder and loses connection, which makes the camera crash and lose the current recording. Slicing a foam earplug diagonally and pressing it into the slot above the card holds it in place against vibration. You can see a compressed version of the video at http:// www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog/?p=249. the real video is pretty high resolution: 640 X 480 and 30 frames per second. It actually does a decent job. too bad the company treats customers so badly. I'm looking forward to seeing lots of you folks on the road. The All Aluminum Bar is always open to FOTers. We're also bringing a video projector to do movie nights. I'm modifying one of the awnings so it can do double duty holding a big screen. We'll collect videos from anyone that gets one, do a quick merge and edit, show on track video followed by some kind of relevant hollywood release. I know I can watch Grand Prix, Le Mans or Faster every night, but Diane might want something more theatrical. Perhaps Wild Hogs? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 2 00:06:48 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:06:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440E0B5D-AFE9-4F82-9855-7C1B3B12BF22@bnj.com> Lucky you (actually, we both know luck has little to do with it, just lots of work and a complementary obsession). I met Bernard briefly on a tour a few years ago and was greatly impressed. Loved the toys. Jay's a man after my own heart, though I wouldn't care to have a collection that esoteric. But I'd take all of his bikes (except that goofy Brough Superior styled chopper thingy). Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:33 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > I agree wholeheartedly. I spend quite a bit of time at Jays' shop. > Bernard is > a true craftsman and a great guy. Jim, the second in command ,races > a Lotus > 7. Also a cool guy. The shop is amazing. They also just got a 150 > year old > steam engine running. Video of it is at the site is cool. I was > there the > night > they got it running. > > Also, if you click on 1956 Austin Healey video, you will see Jay and I > talking about car restoration tips. > > Jay does have one Triumph, the red TR3 we had on our cover a while > back. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and > storage > facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many > occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E > type in > Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars > are fueld, > charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show > condition. He > has three main garages two for storage and display and one for > work. I > thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed > boy in a > candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, > a true > mechanic of all things mooving. > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Apr 2 00:08:27 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> I'd like to Nominate Kurt Oblinger to this group Kurt has been a friend for many years and has had invaluble input to my research and input to the west coast Triumph clubs over the years. He has a steel trap mind about automotive history in general and would be a great asset to this group. A second please Tom This is brief bio Kurt Oblinger ---- -- a freelance automotive photographer, writer and historian, specializing in sports cars. We collect and restore old sports cars, particularly Triumph, I also collect automotive books and vintage auto racing posters. "koblinger at verizon.net" From RustyTR4 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 05:29:38 2007 From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:29:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would be glad to welcome him into the FOT , you have your second on that. Matt Bakes ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 06:54:17 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:54:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Thanks Don Marshall Message-ID: <25101875.1175518457380.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Many thanks to Don Marshall (without his TR4) and son James who joined fellow FOTer Bob Wismer and me at Roebling Road this weekend. With their help the Battle of Britain TR3 came home victorious in class and as the highest finishing Triumph in the group. Thanks also to Glen Efinger who, by phone, helped us all diagnose and fix a deteriorating high speed miss that we cured in time for the Sunday feature race. I look forward to seeing Don in his ex-national championship TR4 at VIR in less than 2 weeks. Mike From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 07:47:35 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:47:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> References: <46109DDC.AE550E5D@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <8C943449AEBB2A3-C48-7820@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: trhouse at greenapple.com I'd like to Nominate Kurt Oblinger to this group Kurt has been a friend for many years and has had invaluble input to my research and input to the west coast Triumph clubs over the years. He has a steel trap mind about automotive history in general and would be a great asset to this group. A second please ==AM== Gladly! I just assumed Kurt had to have been a member by now. Besides, FoT needs more Sports 6 representation! :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Apr 2 09:53:18 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <461126EE.5020806@pobox.com> Tony, We were out racing at Hallett this weekend, so this is the first chance I've had to check emails. I've only been into about half a dozen overdrives, and I have never seen a problem with that top hat bushing. Sometimes they are fairly loose in the housing. I would just replace it with one from your spare. You might want to use a little sleeve retainer to make sure it doesn't turn in the alumimium housing. Your other problems I've seen before. The washer under the sun gear is almost always broken. It is interesting that the original overdrive manual says to have a sun gear float of 0.014 to 0.020, while later manuals say to use 0.008 to 0.014. These numbers don't even overlap. I've wondered whether they changed it to help reduce the impact on that washer and alleviate the breakage. I found a lot of inconsistencies like this when I was doing those articles, so be careful which manual you pick up. You should have no problem replacing all these parts. You'll have to take one of the planet gears off to replace the thrust washer, but that is not a big deal. I agree, it is amazing that it was still working. Do you have a overdrive pressure gauge? Do you have a large or small accumulator. The large accumulators are best for racing. You can check the pressure with a good half inch drill motor and the pressure gauge. I've got mine set up to run about 530 psi with a large accumulator. I've heard other people go up to 600 or 650 psi, but I really don't think that is necessary. I really get a kick in the pants when I shift mine. Larry Tony Drews wrote: >I thought you might be interested in my continuing OD saga. > >Thanks to all for the excellent advice! I took the OD mostly apart >and documented my findings on the overdrive page I created: >http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm > >What's amazing is that the OD worked just fine at the last race. If >you look at the pictures on my OD page, you'll be amazed that it >worked at all (I was anyway). > >Also, Randall sent me a PDF of the Laycock A-type overdrive manual, >so I posted it on that same web page, along with links to Larry's >excellent tranny and OD articles. > >- Tony Drews > >At 10:10 PM 3/30/2007, Tony Drews wrote: > > >> I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing >> pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild >> instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier >> this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the >> process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem >> wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top >> hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD >> oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the >> exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's >> no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number >> listed with Moss for it. >> I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an >> intact part in it on my website at >> http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 10:09:09 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:09:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:54:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: The washer under the sun gear is almost always broken. It is interesting that the original overdrive manual says to have a sun gear float of 0.014 to 0.020, while later manuals say to use 0.008 to 0.014 Excessive end-float kills these things. The thrust surfaces get worn & things start chucking back & forth & this is the result. The filter doesn't get all the fine trash out so they need regular fluid changes, especially if they're flogged hard. Also it's getting increasingly hard to get (good) rebuild parts nowadays. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 2 20:58:35 2007 From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:58:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1147 .040 cosworth piston Message-ID: <043401c7759b$fa5e4050$58ac8647@yourf78bf48ce2> I need one 1147 Spitfire Cosworth .040 oversize piston . Jerry Barker From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:57:27 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE MOTORSPORT Annual Photo Issue Message-ID: <20070403125727.45048.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Tony and Uncle Jack. Nice photo of you two dicing in the wet at Blackhawk. In which race I recall you finished FOA and Uncle Jack had some piddling little thing break. Darn! Also one of Larry Young chasing one of those pesky Minis and a Sprite. You know who they are. Ken Suhre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 07:43:52 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <46125A18.6020309@pobox.com> While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The main factors I've seen are: 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it from those with experience - Kas, Glen? Larry Young From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 3 08:06:01 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <46125A18.6020309@pobox.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7B@server.Triumph.local> Best mod EVER to an overdrive: Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: April 03, 2007 9:44 AM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue > > While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what > mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The > main factors I've seen are: > 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the > accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 > psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating > valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it > from those with experience - Kas, Glen? > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 08:40:32 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:06:27 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > Best mod EVER to an overdrive: > > Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set > of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > > More or less Mike Belfer's take as well. Not that they don't work...they work great. But they are complicated and usually one of the first things to break. I believe that to be a majority opinion. But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the success of long time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a very mildly prepared TR4 for years and years. It had an overdrive. He made very effective use of it, and somehow he always kept it working. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 09:04:04 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:04:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE MOTORSPORT Annual Photo Issue In-Reply-To: <20070403125727.45048.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken you know we all love the "Jack and Tony Show" TTFN Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 3 09:04:21 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7D@server.Triumph.local> > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] > > But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the > success of long time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a > very mildly prepared TR4 for years and years. It had an > overdrive. He made very effective use of it, and somehow he > always kept it working. One thing Bill neglected to mention about our good friend Don Brick, he was FAST in that very mildly prepped TR4... I hope I am still racing at Don's age, let alone being FAST! Last I talked to him he was bought a kart of some sort and is spending every Friday night racing with a league. Had a couple podium finishes to boot! Way to go Don! :-) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:15:10 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:15:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Overdrive issue Message-ID: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.83]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILINYG13-28f46126e592d2; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:10:28 -0400 Received: from mtai04.charter.net (mta04.charter.net [209.225.8.184]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG55-28f46126e592d2; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Received: from aa06.charter.net ([10.20.200.158]) by mtai04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070403151017.HXYC1421.mtai04.charter.net at aa06.charter.net> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Received: from [24.196.153.85] by aa06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070403151017.DWC10938.aa06.charter.net@[24.196.153.85]> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:10:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <4EF3F7C1-381C-40F5-98A4-842F231E200C at charter.net> From: Jerry Barr Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:10:58 -0500 To: BillDentin at aol.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 X-AOL-IP: 209.225.8.184 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cart racing takes a good level of physical fitness to do so he is my idle too! On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:00 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:49:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > jerrybarr at charter.net writes: > > >> I think the key is the TR4 was mildly prepared and the fact that Don >> was a smooth driver. > > > You are right. Don had a mechanic's 'gentle approach' to racing. > So did Mike Belfer. BUT Don also understood how to 'carry speed' > through a corner. He was clearly the best racer in our tent. > > Did you know that he sold the TR4 because after he retired 'vintage > racing' got too expensive for him? But he did not retire from > racing. He bought a Go-cart, and he is now very active in Quad- > city Go-cart racing. Can you imagine that. He takes up Go-cart > racing at 75+ years of age. > > He's my idol. > > Bill > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 09:17:02 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:17:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46126FEE.2000308@pobox.com> I had the opposite experience from most, because the overdrive actually saved me once. The clutch throwout bearing went out on my TR3 and I couldn't shift. I managed to get it into 3rd gear and ran two races at Hallett using only 3rd and 3rd overdrive. I only lost about a second off my normal lap times. BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:06:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > henry at henryfrye.com writes: > > >> Best mod EVER to an overdrive: >> >> Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set >> of close ratio gears and a set of tires. >> > > > More or less Mike Belfer's take as well. Not that they don't > work...they work great. But they are complicated and usually one of > the first things to break. I believe that to be a majority opinion. > > But having said that, I have difficulty explaining the success of long > time Beady Eye member Don Brick, who raced a very mildly prepared TR4 > for years and years. It had an overdrive. He made very effective use > of it, and somehow he always kept it working. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 3 09:16:57 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E7B@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > Best mod EVER to an overdrive: > > Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set > of close ratio gears and a set of tires. Ya, really. Your car saves at least 30 pounds in the deal. regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:41:14 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:41:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 4/3/2007 10:06:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: Best mod EVER to an overdrive: Sell it for silly money to the street car crowd, use the cash for a set of close ratio gears and a set of tires. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: April 03, 2007 9:44 AM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue > > While we're talking about overdrives, I'd like to hear what > mods some of you have done for racing with an overdrive. The > main factors I've seen are: > 1. Use an overdrive with the large accumulator 2. Shim the > accumulator spring for higher pressure (some say 600 to 650 > psi) 3. Drill out the pressure relief hole in the operating > valve for quicker shifts out of overdrive So, let's hear it > from those with experience - Kas, Glen? > Larry Young Great response Henry! Larry I vote #1 & #3 for sure. #2 I suppose if you have lots of HP but I don't have that problem.... Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Apr 3 10:26:37 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:26:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] sleeved thermostats In-Reply-To: <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> References: <200704030754.l337saDI188189@ns3.geneseo.net> <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> Message-ID: <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> Teri, you hit it on the button. I should start reading your site before I post questions like this. Vintage racers, myself included, have tried all the combinations in an attempt to get their cars to cool. I've run with stock bypass, with no bypass, and with a bypass with a small hole in a plug. The reason we fool with this is that with the bypass, a certain amount of water bypasses the radiator under all conditions. For cars with stock radiators, the cooling system is less than marginal for racing, so plugging the bypass to get more water through the radiator is theoretically better. When I started racing, my car was always running 200 - 220 deg. I tried absolutely everything to cool it down, to no avail - better ducting, water wetter, all that baloney. Then I installed a $175 Chevy aluminum aftermarket radiator and now it runs so cool that I have to use a thermostat to get it warm enough to run right. My humble conclusion from that is that these cars just don't have enough radiator for North America. My kudos, though, to those who can solve the problem with the better fan or an electric fan for traffic. That works too. At 09:06 AM 4/3/2007, you wrote: >Jack W. Drews wrote: >> But out of curiosity, what's the current opinion on the original >> purpose for the sleeved thermostat design? I've got my own >> opinion, which is probably wrong, but I'm interested in the >> current thinking or the historical evidence. > >My opinion is in my web site. > >www.tjwakeman.net/TR/thermostat.htm > >TeriAnn > >Your messages not reaching the list? >Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > >=== This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register >=== http://www.vtr.org > >=== Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >=== unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net >=== Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >=== http://www.team.net/the-local > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 11:27:46 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] sleeved thermostats In-Reply-To: <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704030754.l337saDI188189@ns3.geneseo.net> <46125F7A.7000100@razzolink.com> <200704031628.l33GSjJI293889@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <46128E92.3050906@pobox.com> Rather than allowing some water to go through the bypass, I drill a few small holes in the edges of the thermostat. That way you will still have some circulation even when the thermostat is closed. When it is hot, you will get maximum cooling, since all water goes through the radiator. Larry From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 3 14:34:47 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:34:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 2:49:33 PM Central Daylight Time, donlbrick at mchsi.com writes: > Bill > I did run an overdrive and I did blow one up at Grattan many years ago. I > do not know where I was but Bill Colom told me I should use Mobil l gear > lube in the od, I did this and ran the same unit until I sold the car for > approx. 15 years. It is available or was at Autozone. I also have a spare > od unit in my garage, it is not the same as the J type I ran in the race > car, I believe it is called an Atype. I might have these letters reversed > as I never did decide which unit I used. It is the unit with the electric > solenoid mounted upright on the side > Hope all this info helps. The od worked great because it reduced the rpm > between gears to about 500 instead of 1000. I did not use 2d overdrive > because Mike said the unit would be subjected to too much torque. > Don > Don... Via copy above, I have sent your comments to the FOT List for their info. I was surprised to learn you used Mobil 1 gear lube, as per Mike Belfer I always thought Kendall Three Star was the stuff to use in TRIUMPH transmissions. When Mike Belfer was alive and prepping my car we had an A and a B engine. One set up had an OD on the tranny. He always cautioned me about NOT using OD in 2nd gear as well, but just between us girls I did use it several times coming out of FIVE at ROAD AMERICA, and it was awesome. Bill ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From rjl at gt-classics.com Tue Apr 3 16:32:13 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:32:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 04:34 PM 4/3/2007, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Via copy above, I have sent your comments to the FOT List for their info. > >I was surprised to learn you used Mobil 1 gear lube, as per Mike Belfer I >always thought Kendall Three Star was the stuff to use in TRIUMPH >transmissions. I used to use Redline MTL in the OD gearbox in the TR-4 that Tony Drews now owns. It worked very well. >When Mike Belfer was alive and prepping my car we had an A and a B engine. >One set up had an OD on the tranny. He always cautioned me about >NOT using OD >in 2nd gear as well, but just between us girls I did use it several times >coming out of FIVE at ROAD AMERICA, and it was awesome. When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down faster than I could suing the clutch. Hope that helps, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Tue Apr 3 16:42:35 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:42:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 06:32 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: >When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my >primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down >faster than I could suing the clutch. Of course, that should be "using the clutch" - sorry. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 3 17:48:03 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill & Others putting together their driving music. I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. One essential that makes the box everytime. Donald Fagen - The Nightfly and you? Dennis From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 3 18:06:40 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070404000458.537CA187C22@autox.team.net> So, kinda back toward the original question... I love the OD, and use 2nd OD all the time. I don't know if it makes me faster, but I have more fun driving with the extra drama of the OD. I agree that the close ratio box is the way to go from an intellectual standpoint, but having those 7 speeds and the right gear for ANYTHING is way cool. Since I've got it apart, any performance hints / tweaks are welcome! I need to figure out which hole in the actuating valve to drill out. I did have a little slip with full throttle upshifts, so will be raising the pressure some, but probably not to the 600+ psi range. And, it does have the big accumulator. Anything else? It's going back together this weekend... By the way, I think what broke it was a combination of rear wheel lockup and the detroit locker. I replaced the rear pads, and had problems with rear lockup for a while. When you lock one rear with the locker you get a big BANG. Scared the piss out of me. Had that happen a couple of times, and then found that teeth were missing off of 3rd gear. I'll bet the driveline shock was what hosed the OD too. Took a year to manifest itself, and even then only as parts coming out with the oil. Still worked like a champ. - Tony At 05:42 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: >At 06:32 PM 4/3/2007, R. John Lye wrote: > > >When I was autocrossing that car (with large very sticky slicks), my > >primary gears were often 2nd and 2nd OD - it would shift up and down > >faster than I could suing the clutch. > >Of course, that should be "using the clutch" - sorry. > > >R. John Lye > >rjl6n at cstone.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Apr 3 19:31:28 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:31:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4612FFF0.1020909@141.com> Donald Fagen and Steely Dan RULE. Kamakiriad is another good one from Fagen, plus anything else from him or the Dan. Pink Floyd is good for that late-night haul--The Division Bell is one I like, plus anything from further back (particularly the songs Run Like Hell and Learning to Fly). Singing along to The Wall will keep you from falling asleep! I have discovered a new (to me) favorite--Candy Dulfer, a stunningly gorgeous blonde Norwegian lady, can lay DOWN some funky sax. Great stuff. And a very eclectic one for you, that seems to fit perfectly with racing (to me, at least) is the album Flag, from Yello. The track The Race is the one to hear on that one. I also like the Greatest Mexican Mariachi Music CD and lots of big band swing. Festive & fun! Enjoy! Susan :) Dennis DeLap wrote: > Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 3 18:45:19 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Carlos Santana Abraxas Any of the first several Zeppelin Bad Company (Bad Company) Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album with all of the tracks intact is the best version) ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs Scorpions Love Drive Beatles, Abbey Road Eagles, Hotel California - Tony At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 3 19:29:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:29:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> References: <630556.51016.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301c77658$b8cada50$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music Carlos Santana Abraxas Any of the first several Zeppelin Bad Company (Bad Company) Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album with all of the tracks intact is the best version) ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs Scorpions Love Drive Beatles, Abbey Road Eagles, Hotel California - Tony At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > > and you? > Dennis >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Apr 3 19:38:05 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spacer block for brake booster Message-ID: <001d01c77659$e4336990$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who replied. Appreciated it. Have one coming from Lorne Fritz at Sports Car Haven. Tim From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 19:57:11 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:57:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar music. I also suppliment with Early Quicksilver Hot Tuna - anything electric Yes - all the classic pieces Neil Young Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Curry >Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' , 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw >in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. > > Joe C. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Tony Drews >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >Carlos Santana Abraxas >Any of the first several Zeppelin >Bad Company (Bad Company) >Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >Scorpions Love Drive >Beatles, Abbey Road >Eagles, Hotel California > >- Tony > >At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >> >> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >> One essential that makes the box everytime. >> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >> >> >> and you? >> Dennis >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Tue Apr 3 20:16:18 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:16:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, Khachaturian Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty Rogers and his giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't want to play house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... Have Great Trip Man Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jackson" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. > > Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues > Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar > music. I also suppliment with > Early Quicksilver > Hot Tuna - anything electric > Yes - all the classic pieces > Neil Young > > Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major > slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Joe Curry >>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' >>, 'FOT' >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. Throw >>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. >> >> Joe C. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Tony Drews >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >>Carlos Santana Abraxas >>Any of the first several Zeppelin >>Bad Company (Bad Company) >>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >>Scorpions Love Drive >>Beatles, Abbey Road >>Eagles, Hotel California >> >>- Tony >> >>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >>> >>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >>> One essential that makes the box everytime. >>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >>> >>> >>> and you? >>> Dennis >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >>> >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>http://www.eset.com >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dkettler at powercom.net Tue Apr 3 20:22:48 2007 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:22:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> Message-ID: <00c601c77660$51e50510$411372d8@David> I'm waiting for Bill Dentinger to weigh in on this one. I could take a road trip with Tony Drews anytime. Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Jackson" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, Khachaturian > Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty Rogers and his > giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing > sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't want to play > house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... > Have Great Trip Man > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Jackson" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > >> We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. >> >> Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues >> Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his raging geetar >> music. I also suppliment with >> Early Quicksilver >> Hot Tuna - anything electric >> Yes - all the classic pieces >> Neil Young >> >> Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find him...major >> slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. >> >> Mike Jackson >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Joe Curry >>>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM >>>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' >>>, 'FOT' >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD collection. >>>Throw >>>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you have it. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>>Behalf Of Tony Drews >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM >>>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>>Carlos Santana Abraxas >>>Any of the first several Zeppelin >>>Bad Company (Bad Company) >>>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood >>>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) >>>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best >>>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album >>>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) >>>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango >>>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly >>>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs >>>Scorpions Love Drive >>>Beatles, Abbey Road >>>Eagles, Hotel California >>> >>>- Tony >>> >>>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: >>>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. >>>> >>>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. >>>> One essential that makes the box everytime. >>>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >>>> >>>> >>>> and you? >>>> Dennis >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Fot mailing list >>>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ >>>> >>>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Apr 3 22:55:43 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:55:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Good traveling music is a must for those long trips to the far reaches. You can only listen to talk radio for "X" hours before you want to buy a machine gun and go postal on someone. I don't know what "X" is... yet. I did WAY too much driving around while selling hearses and limousines, having driven those beasts in 44 of the states. I don't know how to suggest music when I really don't know ANYTHING about the listener except that he/she likes Triumphs. However, one thing I've started to do is to burn my own custom CD's of various artists works and some "thematic" CD's. I have collections made up from the following (alphabetically listed by first name); Alison Krauss and Union Station, The Allman Brothers, Brooks and Dunn, Jimmy Buffett, three different Bruce Springsteens (early, middle and later), Chris Isaak, Dar Williams, Jackson Browne, James Taylor, John Hiatt, John Prine, Led Zeppelin, Lyle Lovett, Melissa Etheridge, Moody Blues, Neil Young, Norah Jones, Richard Thompson, Rickie Lee Jones, Steve Earle, The Who, Todd Rundgren, Tom Waits, and Townes Van Zandt. More are in the making, but I listen to them several times and re-arrange the order and throw some out that just don't fit, or add some in, etc. So I end up with a bunch of songs that fit together and have a natural flow of some sort. One trouble with these collections is with dynamic range and recorded volume. You have to run them through some sort of program that equalizes the tracks or you end up having to adjust the volume for each track. I'm a fan of lyrics that make sense and make me think or feel, hence some of the entries in that list. I'm a fan of "raging geetars" too, so my taste tends to run that direction. Any good fretwork in almost any genre can be fun to listen to. My new favorite guitarist is Richard Thompson, even though he has a song about one of those cars that carries the (ahem...) Stop Sign of Shame on it with "MGB-GT". If you're going to buy an album, maybe "Action Packed" from 2001? Themed collections I have are Cadillac Songs, Driving Songs, Joe Songs, Rain Songs, Revolution Songs, and Town Songs. Each of these has about twenty different songs that are somehow related. This gives me some variety in a fun package. I have about 150 songs with Cadillac either in the title or mentioned somewhere in the lyrics. Odd, but strangely listenable at times. And when music doesn't seem to work, I can throw on some "Word Jazz" by Ken Nordine. I have to be in a really odd mood for that, but sometimes it just fits how the day is going... One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). NOTHING passes a 16 hour driving day better than a couple really good books that you haven't read or that you just love. Some truck stops have good selections, and some even let you trade in used ones. Shut them off when you come to a town or have to watch for a different highway to take, as you can get engrossed in the story and wake up 50 miles past where you needed to turn off. Been there, done that. I'd be happy to contribute some burned CD's to your collection if our tastes match up anywhere. Tell me where to send 'em. I'm gonna start looking for my Steely Dan stuff again, then download some Nightfly and see if it "gets me"... Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Apr 3 22:35:00 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006101c7765f$3c1be420$e58cb304@Bud> Message-ID: I guess I understand why I don't fit in that well!!! How can you take a road trip without: Ludacris Jay-Z Snoop Dogg Nas Rage Against the Machine Beastie Boys Mos Def Digital Underground The Chemical Brothers The Game The Kooks Megadeth Mobb Deep Nelly (when going to St. Louis) White Zombie TI ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 22:16 Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music To: Mike Jackson , 'FOT' > French violin Concertos..Claire Bernard//david Oistrakth, > Khachaturian > Violin concerto///Aunt Carmela's Italian favorites//Shorty > Rogers and his > giants..Martians come Back///Kieler Hafenkonzert...The singing > sailorboys///Meet me in Tahiti..Eric Lund...///and...I Don't > want to play > house anymore..Tammy Wynette.... > Have Great Trip Man > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Jackson" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > > > We too are loading up for the trip to VIR next week. > > > > Usually start the drive with the Doors - Road House Blues > > Like most from Tony and Joe. Tony obviously knows his > raging geetar > > music. I also suppliment with > > Early Quicksilver > > Hot Tuna - anything electric > > Yes - all the classic pieces > > Neil Young > > > > Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find > him...major > > slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. > > > > Mike Jackson > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Joe Curry > >>Sent: Apr 3, 2007 9:29 PM > >>To: 'Tony Drews' , 'Dennis DeLap' > >>, 'FOT' > >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >> > >>Amazing, Tony! You just listed practically my whole CD > collection. Throw > >>in a little Doors, Beatles, Stones, Dylan and the Who and you > have it. > >> > >> Joe C. > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > >>Behalf Of Tony Drews > >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:45 PM > >>To: Dennis DeLap; FOT > >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > >> > >>Carlos Santana Abraxas > >>Any of the first several Zeppelin > >>Bad Company (Bad Company) > >>Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood > >>Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) > >>Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best > >>Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album > >>with all of the tracks intact is the best version) > >>ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango > >>Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly > >>Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs > >>Scorpions Love Drive > >>Beatles, Abbey Road > >>Eagles, Hotel California > >> > >>- Tony > >> > >>At 06:48 PM 4/3/2007, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >>>Bill & Others putting together their driving music. > >>> > >>> I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks > trip to VIR. > >>> One essential that makes the box everytime. > >>> Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > >>> > >>> > >>> and you? > >>> Dennis > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Fot mailing list > >>>Fot at autox.team.net > >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> > >>> > >>>__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >>> > >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>>http://www.eset.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Fot mailing list > >>Fot at autox.team.net > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Fot mailing list > >>Fot at autox.team.net > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Tue Apr 3 22:37:14 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:37:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: > One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that will handle MP3 files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. That way you can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having 5 or more discs per book. And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles fly by, but I find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more rested (and a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the parking lot, listening to the end of a chapter ! FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by Tom Robbins. Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich are some of my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really well too, towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. Randall From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 4 06:13:19 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:13:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big band to comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! Susan :) > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Apr 4 06:07:18 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the best. And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big band to comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! Susan :) > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 06:29:46 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: <040420071229.22342.46139A39000CB1C5000057462200748184970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Barr, Scott" > iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM > transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the best. And > the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! > > (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) It's best if you can plug in the iPod. There are areas where the FM band is so packed, that you can't find an open frequency to make the iPod FM transmitter work. But when it does, it really is great. Irv From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Apr 4 06:31:36 2007 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM > transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the > best. And > the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! > > (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Susan Kahler > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > > We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but > have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has > reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from > classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big > band to > comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! > > Susan :) >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 07:05:01 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000001c77675$80ccb8e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <4613A27D.3090300@pobox.com> Listening to a good book is like going to the movies. My wife subscribes to audible.com. Membership allows you to download books every month. You can leave them on you computer, copy to CD, or put them on an MP3 player. Joe Guinan wrote: >One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). NOTHING >passes a 16 hour driving day better than a couple really good books that you >haven't read or that you just love. Some truck stops have good selections, >and some even let you trade in used ones. Shut them off when you come to a >town or have to watch for a different highway to take, as you can get >engrossed in the story and wake up 50 miles past where you needed to turn >off. Been there, done that. From mikee at ragtops.com Wed Apr 4 07:13:31 2007 From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:13:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> FOT; We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to arise about brake balance / bias. While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? Mike Engard From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:43:38 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:43:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 6:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I am getting my CD's packed up for next weeks trip to VIR. > One essential that makes the box everytime. > Donald Fagen - The Nightfly > > Sir Peter Ustinov's "GRAND PRIX of GIBRALTAR" is a must. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 07:45:47 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:45:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <20070404134406.3E28D187A92@autox.team.net> On the track, I've always understood that you crank in rear brake until the rears start to lock before the fronts and then back off until they quit doing that (be careful if you've got a locker!). No clue how to do it for a street car, although I would think you would want a bit more front bias on the street (controllability is more important than total stopping power there). - Tony At 08:13 AM 4/4/2007, Mike wrote: >FOT; > We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to >arise about brake balance / bias. > While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) >front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the >discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle >around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a >60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a >street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? >Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? > >Mike Engard >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2167 (20070403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From REK46 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:48:39 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:48:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: correct...if MDs are same sizemset bias about in center to start ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:52:45 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:52:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2007 9:26:49 PM Central Daylight Time, dkettler at powercom.net writes: > I'm waiting for Bill Dentinger to weigh in on this one. > While I tend to like most music (I'm a big Gilbert & Sullivan fan), my favorite music is early 1950s R&R and R&B. In my teens I had an incredible collection of 45s (the off-label originals...not the white covers). Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 4 07:59:23 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070404004336.DB77F187C2C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Tony Drews wrote: > Carlos Santana Abraxas > Any of the first several Zeppelin > Bad Company (Bad Company) > Stevie Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood > Early Aerosmith (featuring Dream On, Toys in the Attic, Rocks) > Best of CCR, Best of the Band, Chicago's Best > Little Feat, waiting for Columbus (ripped from the original Album > with all of the tracks intact is the best version) > ZZ Top Tres Hombres, and especially Fandango > Heart Magazine and Dog & Butterfly > Robin Trower, Bridge of Sighs > Scorpions Love Drive > Beatles, Abbey Road > Eagles, Hotel California Hmmmm, I'm guessing you were born in the 1955 - 1964 timeframe. :-) I was ('55). When driving by myself, I tend to listen to a fairly eclectic mix with a trend toward "edgy". Anything by Miles Davis, with fav's being Bitches Brew and Tribute to Jack Johnson. My Boomer Tunes are more like Cream, Hendrix. The more eclectic stuff is any Jazz Fusion from 1970 through the mid-eighties. Eclectic starts with John McLaughlin and ends with Kazume Wantanabe. I play bass, so anything by Stanley Clarke is kool. I also play drums, so anything with Ginger Baker, Billy Cobham, Narada (Michael Walden), Billy Bruford or the "greats" like Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa. I can't listen to drum solos when I'm driving the TR6 - too scary. :-0. Metal is okay at night if there's no traffic around. When I'm driving with company, I usually listen to music a bit less edgy like Pat Metheny, John Scofield, certain Al DiMeola stuff (the later stuff is fairly mellow) and stuff with less vocals. When I start singing, sometimes I scare my passengers. And, of course, Spyro Gyra anything - always. Morning Dance is a great way to start the day. I still don't know why I like Spyro Gyra (as opposed to Miles or John McLaughlin), but I do. Yikes - waaaay off topic. As usual. > - Tony regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 4 08:37:21 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:37:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <001701c776c6$c14b05b0$6a00000a@Dave> Mike Not sure about a street car, but on a race car the seat of the pants approach usually works pretty well by gradually working the bias to the rear and sensing the response. On the other hand, if you're having a hard time feeling much difference you can crank it all the way aft and go find a corner where it is safe to do a turn-in spin. The stability problem usually is more pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further unloading the rear. The object is usually to get as much help from the rears as possible, but not so much that the car tries to swap ends on the kinds of corners where your braking is not all in a straight line. Over time you can usually get comfortable with the squirreliness of more rear bias, and remember that with rear drum brakes, in the course of a race they will often loose more effectiveness than the fronts, so they can handle more rear bias without impacting stability. On the scientific side, I've seen people with gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. I'm more inclined to think that the proof is in the pudding, and especially if there are other changes occurring (such as chassis adjustments), notwithstanding what the gauges say you've got to fine-tune it on track for the day and the driver. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance FOT; We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions started to arise about brake balance / bias. While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we have a 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting up a street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the balance? Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' approach? Mike Engard _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 08:54:51 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:54:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: it is a big help to have a adj cable ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 09:36:36 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:36:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in your I-Pod... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From DonMarshall at nefcom.net Wed Apr 4 10:07:21 2007 From: DonMarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:07:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011701c776d3$53e96450$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> For my money, the best listening on the road is old radio shows like The Shadow, Philip Marlowe, Gunsmoke, Green Hornet and even Fibber McGee and Molly. Even the kids will be quiet (at least our kid) and listen for hours. We get them on Sirius but I think they're on XM as well. It does take awhile to get your mind around William Conrad as Marshall Dillon however. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Music IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in your I-Pod... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 10:15:08 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:15:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in >your >I-Pod... I agree! I took my XM portable with me when I drove out west last fall. Plenty of jazz, rock and was able to keep up with Air America too... OBTW, I did bring a collection of CDs with me... Bix Beiderbeck, Bennie Goodman, Modern Jazz Quartet, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Medeival Babes, Stan Rogers, Fairport Convention, Steel Eye Span, Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Steeley Dan. Steely Dan was perfect for driving down Hwy 1 in California... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Apr 4 10:16:19 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704041618.l34GIRCm050522@ns3.geneseo.net> You guys are an influence on me. I don't know if it's a good or bad influence, though ;) As a result of all these tantalizing messages, I spent a sizeable amount on Amazon.com this morning. This stuff had better be good! The satellite radio idea seems good, but I'm puzzled about the variety of music available. I read the lineup of stations on the placards in Best Buy, and I also try the Sirius channels on Dish TV, looking for music I like. I find a zillion channels devoted to all kinds of rock and hip hop (ugh) , but I find only two channels with classical music, only one devoted to blues, and only two devoted to C & W. Sometimes I want something other than rock. Am I missing something? At 10:36 AM 4/4/2007, KLynch7589 at aol.com wrote: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to >what's in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 10:34:09 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:34:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: I hear ya Don! The XM comedy is another one of my favorites. Just so long as you keep the rig on the road when you've tears running down your face from all the laughing. Truth be known, the comedies were on 60% of the time form our run out West to Monterey & back! A great way to eat up the miles... Kev Lynch ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Wed Apr 4 10:39:38 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <12844000.1525761175704778692.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> I have been enjoying XM for about a year now. Has channels for 40's,50's,60's.70's,80's,90's each is separate Also bluegrass, several country channels and most anything including the old radio shows that Don Marshall likes. The next best thing for long trips is GPS. I set it and don't have to watch for road signs at every interestion. A lot less stressful and you always know "How much further is it". Also gives you your speed calicated by the GPS. They are all just toys. Dean From: Date: 2007/04/04 Wed AM 11:16:19 CDT To: "Jack W. Drews" , KLynch7589 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: Re: [Fot] Music From: "Jack W. Drews" Date: 2007/04/04 Wed AM 11:16:19 CDT To: KLynch7589 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Music You guys are an influence on me. I don't know if it's a good or bad influence, though ;) As a result of all these tantalizing messages, I spent a sizeable amount on Amazon.com this morning. This stuff had better be good! The satellite radio idea seems good, but I'm puzzled about the variety of music available. I read the lineup of stations on the placards in Best Buy, and I also try the Sirius channels on Dish TV, looking for music I like. I find a zillion channels devoted to all kinds of rock and hip hop (ugh) , but I find only two channels with classical music, only one devoted to blues, and only two devoted to C & W. Sometimes I want something other than rock. Am I missing something? At 10:36 AM 4/4/2007, KLynch7589 at aol.com wrote: >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to >what's in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 4 10:51:50 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:51:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:37:28 AM Central Daylight Time, dtalbott at archrepro.com writes: > Mike > > The stability problem usually is more > pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or > when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further > unloading the rear. > Dave, Corner Station Five at Road America is an example of this. It took me awhile to figure out why some very significant cars changed ends so readily, frequently with high drama and disaster. I just got a box, containing Wildwood pedals and watching this thread with great interest. Initial set up will be by Rick J on the AMBRO at Wyotoech, however. Joe A From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Apr 4 10:54:50 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:54:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] road music Message-ID: <000a01c776d9$f6444ac0$6e71fcd0@your55e5f9e3d2> I did a road trip to southern california last week and have my favorite road music well in mind ZZ Top, 38 Special, Bob Seeger, Blondie, Pat Benetar, Eagles Magic Slim, Jimmy Thackery(sp?), Stevie Ray Vaughn, and the blues of Eric Clapton, and Bill Wharton(the Sauce Boss) In the Goat Roping area, Toby Keith, some Shania, Johnny Cash live at Folsom Prison Patricia Barber for some very cool Jazz. also lots of old time radio mysteries and comedy and best of all the 9 CD set of a recent novel THE AFGAN nothin got played twice art de armond From mikee at ragtops.com Wed Apr 4 11:28:43 2007 From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4613E04B.5000508@ragtops.com> FOT; I deliberately didn't say what car 'cause I didn't want to unfavorably bias the responses . It's a 67 AH 3000 to which we've fitted a brake conversion (4-pot calipers, vented rotors) on the front and discs on the rear. The question isn't so much about this car, but rather a generic question about how to establish what the balance is on any car. The specific car becomes an issue when trying to determine how to change the balance. David Talbott wrote: > > I've seen people use gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. Pressure measurements would be a starting point, but pad material ie friction coefficient, unless the same front and rear, would negate anything you learn by measuring pressures. The seat-of-the-pants method seems to be the consensus. We were looking for something measurable/repeatable. Tony Drews wrote: > Since part of the setup depends on how much friction your particular front and rear pads / shoes have, I don't think there's way other than seat-of-the-pants. We have installed softer pads in the rear (semi-metallic in the front) for exactly that reason; to give the rears more bite. We're also very aware of the difference tires make, since that's where all the actual work occurs. An interesting note is that stickier tires push the bias forward due to increased weight transfer under braking. What we're looking for is a measurable, ie repeatable way of determining where the balance is now and when we get it right. So far all the response advocate seat-of-the-pants adjustments. Doing seat-of-the-pants in a race car would be lot easier than pushing a car on the street at the 7/10 or more needed to show a problem. On this particular car, in a straight line the fronts lock first. Does that mean we've got 51% front and 49% rear or 90% front and 10% rear? By measuring the temps we surmise that it's more like 60% or 70% front. We'll install a proportioning valve and measure some more temps and do lots more driving and adjusting. From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 11:38:17 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:38:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 12:52:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: The stability problem usually is more > pronounced on corners where you carry your braking into the turn-in, and/or > when the corner entry is downhill - hence accentuating pitch and further > unloading the rear. > Dave, Corner Station Five at Road America is an example of this. It took me awhile to figure out why some very significant cars changed ends so readily, frequently with high drama and disaster. I just got a box, containing Wildwood pedals and watching this thread with great interest. Initial set up will be by Rick J on the AMBRO at Wyotoech, however. Daves good simple explanation brought up the weight transfer issue which is a big part of the equation. Some of these questions have no simple answers because there are so many variables. What works for one may not work for another. A lot of times we have to make educated decisions... I suggest (beginning with #3)- 1- Several of the late-great Carroll Smiths books 2- The Brake Handbook by Fred Puhn HP books 3- understand & appreciate the "friction" or "traction" circle concept & weight transfer this WILL help! Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 4 12:01:23 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:01:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Music References: Message-ID: <006b01c776e3$4209a2d0$690fc548@RWKastner> No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody? Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: greenman62 at hotmail.com To: KLynch7589 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Music >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's in >your >I-Pod... I agree! I took my XM portable with me when I drove out west last fall. Plenty of jazz, rock and was able to keep up with Air America too... OBTW, I did bring a collection of CDs with me... Bix Beiderbeck, Bennie Goodman, Modern Jazz Quartet, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Medeival Babes, Stan Rogers, Fairport Convention, Steel Eye Span, Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Steeley Dan. Steely Dan was perfect for driving down Hwy 1 in California... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 4 12:41:45 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:41:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 1:02:07 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody? Yup, Glenn Gray and the Casa Loma Orchestra, Wayne King the Dance King, Guy Lombardo and the Royal Canadians, Stan Kenton...those were the days. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:48:11 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:48:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <006b01c776e3$4209a2d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: Awww Kas, I'll see your >No one for String of Pearls, or the Hungarian Rhapsody ... and raise you "Sing, Sing, Sing" (Benny Goodman the Carnegie Hall performance with Krupa on the "skins") and Fats Waller "This Joint is Jumpin'" If you ain't moving something while that's playing you'd better check your pulse... You might be dead! Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 4 12:55:47 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:55:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance References: <4613E04B.5000508@ragtops.com> Message-ID: <003601c776ea$db9e06a0$6a00000a@Dave> The temperature approach will also be subject to variation given the differential heating and cooling aspects of vented rotors compared to solids, as well as ducting or airstream variables, pad compounds, etc. The proportioning valve is a very handy tool if you are starting with a balance situation that is rear biased, since proportioning valves (unlike the bias adjusters on master cylinders) are usually pressure-limiting devices, simply reducing the rear pressure and effort. Like the knobs for cockpit adjustable cylinders, the nice part about a proportioning valve within the drivers reach is the ability to make changes on the fly. You may find that you have to fiddle with the relative master cylinder sizes (or wheel cylinders if you have rear drums) to get to a rear-heavy staring point for pressure-limiting type systems. Many production-based cars have pressure-limiting or pressure-delaying devices installed that can be removed to help get to the desired staring point for a racecar. Of course, if you are a high roller like Joe Alexander you would have a bias bar on the cylinders and then fine tune it all with the proportioning valve in the cockpit. Ultimately though, as Kas mentioned recently, you want to be able stand on the brakes real hard, but then get off of 'em a bit sooner and let that sticky rubber slow you down as you turn in. You work hard to make the brakes work well, and then you work hard to learn how to not slow down so much. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance FOT; I deliberately didn't say what car 'cause I didn't want to unfavorably bias the responses . It's a 67 AH 3000 to which we've fitted a brake conversion (4-pot calipers, vented rotors) on the front and discs on the rear. The question isn't so much about this car, but rather a generic question about how to establish what the balance is on any car. The specific car becomes an issue when trying to determine how to change the balance. David Talbott wrote: > > I've seen people use gauges to define the pressures, and they are probably very useful to be in the ballpark when you roll off of the trailer. Pressure measurements would be a starting point, but pad material ie friction coefficient, unless the same front and rear, would negate anything you learn by measuring pressures. The seat-of-the-pants method seems to be the consensus. We were looking for something measurable/repeatable. Tony Drews wrote: > Since part of the setup depends on how much friction your particular front and rear pads / shoes have, I don't think there's way other than seat-of-the-pants. We have installed softer pads in the rear (semi-metallic in the front) for exactly that reason; to give the rears more bite. We're also very aware of the difference tires make, since that's where all the actual work occurs. An interesting note is that stickier tires push the bias forward due to increased weight transfer under braking. What we're looking for is a measurable, ie repeatable way of determining where the balance is now and when we get it right. So far all the response advocate seat-of-the-pants adjustments. Doing seat-of-the-pants in a race car would be lot easier than pushing a car on the street at the 7/10 or more needed to show a problem. On this particular car, in a straight line the fronts lock first. Does that mean we've got 51% front and 49% rear or 90% front and 10% rear? By measuring the temps we surmise that it's more like 60% or 70% front. We'll install a proportioning valve and measure some more temps and do lots more driving and adjusting. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Apr 4 13:15:19 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:15:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > case. Largest Nano is 8 Gb, which is 12 CDs. Sounds like you need a bigger CD case ! :^) Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 13:26:11 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:26:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <32543948.1175714771991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Yes! I have many old radio shows on CD from www.theradiolady.com My odd voice choice is Vincent Price as The Saint. But, it works somehow. We also have William Conrad as Paladin in Have Gun Will Travel. Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) but these are from South Africa and advertize products never heard of here or in the UK. -----Original Message----- >From: Don Marshall >Sent: Apr 4, 2007 12:07 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Music > >For my money, the best listening on the road is old radio shows like The >Shadow, Philip Marlowe, Gunsmoke, Green Hornet and even Fibber McGee and >Molly. Even the kids will be quiet (at least our kid) and listen for >hours. We get them on Sirius but I think they're on XM as well. It >does take awhile to get your mind around William Conrad as Marshall >Dillon however. Don > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:37 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Music > >IMHO Bill, the simplest and most bang for your buck is "XM satellite >radio". >It's small, simple with a vast variety. Perhaps a nice aside to what's >in your >I-Pod... > >Kev Lynch > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 14:44:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:44:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BBA3C53-CA21-4BCC-9659-B02D592F47B2@bnj.com> As soon as i get to it I'm going to put a "Books on Tape and Paper" section on the blog too. Diane and I are both voracious readers and listen to books on long drives when we aren't doing music. The ultimate, in my mind, is "Snows of Kilimanjaro" read by Charlton Heston. Short, but an absolute must a few times in your life. I should explain perhaps that I'm a longtime iPOD junkie and while my CD collection still exists, I listen to music and books on tape via various MP3 players. Audible.com is a great source for MP3 version of books. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). > > I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that > will handle MP3 > files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. > That way you > can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having > 5 or more > discs per book. > > And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles > fly by, but I > find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more > rested (and > a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the > parking lot, > listening to the end of a chapter ! > > FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by > Tom Robbins. > Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich > are some of > my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really > well too, > towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 14:55:31 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:55:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias / balance In-Reply-To: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> References: <4613A47B.20906@ragtops.com> Message-ID: The scientific approach requires a lot of instrumentation. You can put pressure gauges on both lines and see where the hydraulic pressure is. While that doesn't necessarily translate to braking force it gives you relative numbers that have something to do with braking force that you can easily track. Or you can do it the way you do it on a race car--get on the brakes really hard a few times and see what the back end is doing. You want enough braking on the rear to keep it back there someplace, but no more. The more front bias you can get away with, the faster the car will haul down. For a road car you want to err on the side of safety and keep that rear end where it belongs under heavy braking. Most of your braking force will come from the front wheels unless you set the bias so strongly to the rear that the front wheels don't get any juice. Look at it this way, under hard braking the front wheels are being forced down against the pavement, and the rear wheels up. You can demonstrate that easily with a motorcycle. In fact just a few days ago I perfected doing "stoppies" on my dual purpose Honda 650. The cops in Paia were unimpressed. Or perhaps I should say unfavorably impressed, though I didn't get a ticket, just a little dressing down. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:13 AM, Mike wrote: > FOT; > We're doing some brake mods to a street car and questions > started to > arise about brake balance / bias. > While it seems the optimum situation calls for a slight (5%-10%) > front bias, how do we determine where it is now? Temp readings on the > discs seems to give numbers all over the place, but seem to settle > around 450F in the front and 250F in the rear. Does this mean we > have a > 60/40 split? Is this an effective way to measure bias? When setting > up a > street or race car how do you determine how much to adjust the > balance? > Seat of the pants and what works best? Or is there a 'scientific' > approach? > > Mike Engard > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Apr 4 13:55:12 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <000a01c776f7$2f1b0c90$c1d4fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> . From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 14:46:25 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:46:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mike Jackson > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of hottest women ever. Irv From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 14:49:36 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed Message-ID: <000f01c776fa$c28fbd10$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Hello FoT, I am in desperate need for a Mk I, Mk II or Mk III STEEL bonnet for my 63 Spitfire vintage racer to comply with SVRA requirements. The Zippo GP will be here before I know it! Due to the lack of restoration shops in my area (everyone just wants to do insurance claims) I am expanding my search for a perfect bonnet (this means no rust, original, no bondo, no dents). I know this sounds impossible, but I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for perfection as it will save me money in the long run. Hopefully someone out there knows someone who has one! I live in Annapolis, but will consider anything within the Continental US! Any leads will be gratefully followed! Thanks! Steven Groh 410-956-4988 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 15:00:13 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:00:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: In a message dated 04/04/2007 3:47:00 PM Central Daylight Time, emanteno at comcast.net writes: > > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the > incredible Ms Peel) > Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of > hottest women ever. > Episodes still run on the Time Warner BBCUSA Channel, but Shirley won't let me watch. She's very insecure. Bill ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 4 15:11:40 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:11:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> Irv, to the "hot woman" list, please add Barbara Bain - Cinnamon Carter on original Mission Impossible tv series. Ted emanteno at comcast.net wrote: >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Mike Jackson > > > >>Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the incredible Ms Peel) >> >> >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of hottest women ever. >Irv >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From spitlist at cox.net Wed Apr 4 15:26:59 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:26:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed References: <000f01c776fa$c28fbd10$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Message-ID: <00ee01c776ff$fafef760$84fea8c0@shop> Steven, Are you going to be in the desert anytime soon? If so, I know of a couple of them north of Tucson, AZ Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Groh" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet needed > Hello FoT, > > I am in desperate need for a Mk I, Mk II or Mk III STEEL bonnet for my 63 > Spitfire vintage racer to comply with SVRA requirements. The Zippo GP will be > here before I know it! Due to the lack of restoration shops in my area > (everyone just wants to do insurance claims) I am expanding my search for a > perfect bonnet (this means no rust, original, no bondo, no dents). I know > this sounds impossible, but I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for > perfection as it will save me money in the long run. Hopefully someone out > there knows someone who has one! I live in Annapolis, but will consider > anything within the Continental US! > > Any leads will be gratefully followed! Thanks! > > Steven Groh > 410-956-4988 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From niteseeker at aol.com Wed Apr 4 15:51:25 2007 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:51:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Driving Music Message-ID: <9e19cc4c51e70697bf03cec3aa671572@aol.com> Hey donot forget the Rhino records collection "Hot Rods & Custom Classics: Cruisin' Songs & Highway Hits" It comes in the Revelle model car box, with dice and some old decals From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Apr 4 16:31:00 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:31:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Message-ID: <001401c77708$ec5fe620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Anyone going to the VSCDA "Spring Brake" race and school at Gingerman? We plan to be there for Ryan to do the school. Tim From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 4 16:34:12 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:34:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <29336582.1175651831316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 09:57 PM 4/3/2007, Mike Jackson wrote: >Hey Tony....if you've never heard of Jimmy Thackery...find >him...major slinger in the blues/rock genere that never got really famous. I assume that's the Jimmy Thackery that used to play guitar for the Nighthawks? That's another really good, somewhat obscure band. Another great guitarist from the DC area is Danny Gatton - his music has been re-released on CD. Do a google search... R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 4 18:58:50 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:58:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <461449CA.5060906@141.com> Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and you could definitely tell. Susan :) Jerry Barr wrote: > I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can > listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the > turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm > listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, > Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little > Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc > On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > >> <> >> >> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >> best. And >> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >> >> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >> >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >> >> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >> band to >> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 18:35:17 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:35:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <20070405003336.A2526187A68@autox.team.net> While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. Most of my store bought CD's are closer to 15 songs. When on the road, I can't tell the difference between an MP-3 encoded at 128 bits or higher and the original source material, even when testing the power output limits of my stereo. At home, I can somewhat discern the difference between the vinyl, the CD and the MP-3. Even there, I can't tell the difference between a CD and a 192 bit encoded MP-3. But, it dramatically cuts down the file size from the original CD's wave file. I understand that there's another possible digital audio standard coming that has much higher encoding / sampling levels than the CD does. That'll be cool - I'll feel like I can leave the vinyl behind then. Not meaning to be critical or anything - I just want to educate why iPods are SO cool. - Tony At 02:15 PM 4/4/2007, Randall Young wrote: > > And the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD > > case. > >Largest Nano is 8 Gb, which is 12 CDs. Sounds like you need a bigger CD >case ! > >:^) >Randall >(Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 18:39:59 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:39:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> Message-ID: <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. I did burn up the bandwidth last night expanding my music collection. Jimmy Thackery ROCKS in a great blues way! Thanks, Mike. - Tony At 04:11 PM 4/4/2007, Ted Schumacher wrote: >Irv, to the "hot woman" list, please add Barbara Bain - Cinnamon Carter >on original Mission Impossible tv series. Ted > >emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > > >-------------- Original message -------------- > >From: Mike Jackson > > > > > > > >>Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with > the incredible Ms Peel) > >> > >> > >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list > of hottest women ever. > >Irv From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Apr 4 19:08:14 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:08:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> Message-ID: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's > (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using > MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will > play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of > it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At > 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so that's less than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a small price to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 4 19:15:06 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <20070405011329.C7334187A6D@autox.team.net> OK, I follow you now. I missed the MP-3 format on CD part... I do both. I've got a small CD case that has enough music in it to pretty much go coast to coast without a repeat. But, I load selected highlights into the shuffle to do the "random" thing. Plus, I've been downloading "podcasts" (or more accurately "netcasts"). Kinda the books on tape concept. (if you're into computer geek stuff, check out twit.tv) You can get ton of that content on your favorite MP-3 player. - Tony At 08:08 PM 4/4/2007, Randall Young wrote: >But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so that's less >than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a small price >to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of >electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). > >There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, >hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > >Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. From budscars at msn.com Wed Apr 4 19:32:24 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event Message-ID: <008901c77722$445e1b80$e48cb304@Bud> The entry list is up on the SCCA website for the vintage races April 21-22 at Laguna Seca..Looks like I'm the only Spitfire...Gary Horskorta is the lone TR4..Chas Turvey in a GT6..and a TR250 driven by Soulsby(I forgot the 1st name)..My group (3) has 30 cars..Group 2 has 19(Mi From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:34:49 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:34:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Different strokes for different folks. My music collection is 140GB of mostly 192 bit. After I get most of the music you folks have recommended it'll be something like 180GB I suspect. My iPod is a 60GB video ipod. I set up smart playlists that are about 60GB in size and rotate them into the iPod as the mood strikes. Sixty gigs is a lot of music. I also use it for video on airplanes--works fine except for all the people saying "how can you watch a movie on that little screen?". I've got software that converts DVDs into the iPod format. Lots of car radios these days have a good iPod interface that shows you the album, artist and song and let's you scan around. The cheap one I installed in Nero does that, but not the truck unfortunately. That's passenger duty usually, or if I'm alone, when I stop for gas I set up the playlist for the next 500 miles. There are too many wires in my life, it would be nice if there were less, but I find this an extremely handy way to carry and play a huge music music library, books on "tape", a dozen or so movies, and backup copies of articles I'm writing. I've got a waterproof case for it and even wear it surfing (Boz Scaggs, Chris Isaak or ZZTop are my favorites for surfing--so far). In fact at the end of the movie I stuck on my blog that shows a board's eye view of paddle surfing you can see the ipod strapped to my arm. http://www.ponohouse.com/ ponoblog/?p=249 Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Randall Young wrote: >> While the biggest Nano is 8 GB, all of the music is turned to MP-3's >> (or AAC's) so you get somewhere around 250 songs per GB. By using >> MP-3's, I get well over 100 songs per 670 MB CD (my van's unit will >> play MP-3 CD's and has a plug in for an i-Pod built into the face of >> it). So, the 8 GB Nano ends up with something like 2000 songs. At >> 20 songs per CD, that's like 100 CD's. > > But you said yourself you get "well over 100" songs per CD, so > that's less > than 20 CDs ... if you use MP3 format on the CDs. Seems like a > small price > to pay to avoid having cords draped around, and an expensive piece of > electronics laying loose to fall out the door (or get stolen). > > There's also something to be said for having the controls, and > display, > hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > > Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted > with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, > Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use > of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be > maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without > the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended > recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic > mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received > this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, > forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in > error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From scypher at usa.com Wed Apr 4 19:41:04 2007 From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:41:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blog on my quest to go Triumph Racing Message-ID: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> In an attempt to help focus myself despite my malady (shipwright's disease), I've started a blog on my daily work to get my HP spit pieced back together and get geared up for school later this year. I would appreciate anyone interested to visit, and comment on my efforts either in the blog, or through the list. If there is something I should talk about, or post about, let me know... I don't have the vast experience y'all do, so any guidance or "What the hell are you thinking, don't do that!" would be appreciated. I've reached out to a coupe FOT'ers on my recent seat dilemma, but if anyone else has an idea, I'm all ears... Thanks -Scott http://web.mac.com/srcypher From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 19:47:31 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:47:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tony Drews > Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" > thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. I think we have to give Mike Jackson the credit for this. All I did was follow Mike's lead: >From: Mike Jackson >Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with >the incredible Ms Peel) Not that I didn't take the ball and run with it. And yes, Ted. Barbara Bain belongs on that list. :-) Irv From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:45:50 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:45:50 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing In-Reply-To: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> References: <4613965F.6020903@141.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <04b401c776ed$95c45ff0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <20070405003538.F23AD27FF@bigfish.navcomtech.com> <050c01c7771e$e2cf5030$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <54E4C048-BA0D-4D54-881C-5E83006F7589@bnj.com> Fair warning. I'm bringing a couple of stand up paddle surfboards with me on the All Aluminum Tour. I'm going to do my best to get some of you folks onto these things. Great fun, and the best and most painless exercise I've ever found. Well, painless while you're doing it anyway. Yesterday I surfed for about eight hours with just a little break for lunch. Hit the sack right after dinner. I hurt everywhere--thighs, calves, abdominals, shoulders, biceps. Even my teeth ached a bit. Slept like a baby. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:56:08 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:56:08 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Blog on my quest to go Triumph Racing In-Reply-To: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> References: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> Message-ID: <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> Nice blog Scott. I had never heard of shipwright's disease but I obviously have a fatal case--I'll be dead long before I get all the stuff I've taken apart back together. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > In an attempt to help focus myself despite my malady (shipwright's > disease), I've started a blog on my daily work to get my HP spit > pieced back together and get geared up for school later this year. > > I would appreciate anyone interested to visit, and comment on my > efforts either in the blog, or through the list. If there is > something I should talk about, or post about, let me know... > > I don't have the vast experience y'all do, so any guidance or "What > the hell are you thinking, don't do that!" would be appreciated. > > I've reached out to a coupe FOT'ers on my recent seat dilemma, but if > anyone else has an idea, I'm all ears... > > Thanks > -Scott > > > http://web.mac.com/srcypher > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 20:58:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:58:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <040520070147.1064.46145533000CB12C000004282213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0B36FB24-7EF9-4F08-95DD-0342B86CB89E@bnj.com> What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. She did terrible things to my young libido. For that matter the "legs" on Peter Gunn (Mary tyler Moore). On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:47 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Tony Drews > >> Leave it to Irv to turn a "hot music" thread into a "hot woman" >> thread. Not that this upsets me, mind you. > I think we have to give Mike Jackson the credit for this. All I did > was follow Mike's lead: >> From: Mike Jackson >> Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with >> the incredible Ms Peel) > Not that I didn't take the ball and run with it. And yes, Ted. > Barbara Bain belongs on that list. > :-) > Irv > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From scypher at usa.com Wed Apr 4 20:03:37 2007 From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blog on my quest to go Triumph Racing In-Reply-To: <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> References: <1B6AD457-A1D0-4DCE-A17B-B941EF1AF69B@usa.com> <926015A7-8CD7-4EF7-9E7D-C415AAF9401D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1B5909A8-72C4-4A0B-AE66-3F6C47DFDB75@usa.com> Thanks, Bill. That assumes any of us afflicted can find all the parts that belong together. There's always that one piece I know I have, somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it... On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Nice blog Scott. I had never heard of shipwright's disease but I > obviously have a fatal case--I'll be dead long before I get all the > stuff I've taken apart back together. > > Bill Babcock From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 4 20:05:18 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:05:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> References: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> <4614148C.8040309@bright.net> <20070405003818.3D0C2187A7C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: OK, here's what I've been listening to lately: John Hiatt Dave Alvin Toots and the Maytalls Burning Spear Jet (first CD) Teddy Bears Gorillaz Alison Krauss Heather Berry Hackensaw Boys King Wilkie Terri Allard Sly and the Family Stone Emmy Lou Harris Gillian Welch The Wailers Del McCoury Traffic The DeRailers Dwight Yoakum Bad Religion Rhonda Vincent The Tractors Social Distortion Yeah, I know, its kinda all over the place... R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 21:08:39 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music Message-ID: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bill Babcock What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. Barbara Feldon :-) From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 4 22:43:06 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:43:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <040520070308.25588.461468370008F879000063F42200735446970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4390DEC5-64ED-468E-A27B-1A272F4979CB@bnj.com> Ah, yes. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 4, 2007, at 5:08 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Bill Babcock > < SPAN c lass=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 14px > Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: > 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: > separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in- > effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> > What about the gal that played Agent 99 on Maxwell Smart. > > > > Barbara Feldon > > :-) From Herald948 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 21:52:03 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:52:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ryoung at navcomtech.com writes: There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. ==AM== Geez, I feel so totally out of it. Admittedly, I was intrigued to discover that my daughter's iPod, with some sort of transmitter/adapter, would play through my genuine Triumph-labeled AM/FM push-button radio in the Herald. Meanwhile, though, I finally got my first CD player NOT built into a computer, this past Christmas. Alas, since that genuine Triumph radio has no cassette player, I can't adapt the CD player to the (still positive ground, anyway) Triumph. Nor do I have an iPod of my own. Heck, when I first got the Herald in 2002 and drove it to Minnesota and back, I had to rely on only an AM radio. Tough to find interesting music on the AM band along the I-90 corridor.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Apr 5 01:41:14 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:41:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on Nurburgring roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <005401c77755$caa624c0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> The new LEMS racing car..... http://www.myvideo.de/watch/1166964 From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Thu Apr 5 05:52:22 2007 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:52:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Message-ID: Tim, I'll be there, though no Triumph this time. I will be continuing my quest to learn how in the heck to drive the Ginetta G-15. The 998cc of rear-engine and 1100 pounds of weight make for a car that needs to be driven just about exactly opposite of a TR4! I am leading the open-wheel group again this year at the drivers school as well as conducting the Thursday night classroom session. Looks like it's shaping up to be a big school this year. I look forward to seeing you there. John Houlton ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 5 06:30:28 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:30:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing In-Reply-To: <54E4C048-BA0D-4D54-881C-5E83006F7589@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A070A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> You're just trying to disable us in order to gain an advantage on the track. Ha! Like we'd fall for that. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:46 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stand up racing Fair warning. I'm bringing a couple of stand up paddle surfboards with me on the All Aluminum Tour. I'm going to do my best to get some of you folks onto these things. Great fun, and the best and most painless exercise I've ever found. Well, painless while you're doing it anyway. Yesterday I surfed for about eight hours with just a little break for lunch. Hit the sack right after dinner. I hurt everywhere--thighs, calves, abdominals, shoulders, biceps. Even my teeth ached a bit. Slept like a baby. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 07:17:34 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:17:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Music In-Reply-To: <040420072046.19685.46140EA0000EDFFA00004CE52200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: M-M-M-M- Mrs Peel... She's still a hottie Aprops of nothing in particular... The name "Emma Peel" was taken from the casting process... While they were casting the part, they were searching for someone with "`M' (man) appeal" The name stuck... cheeky... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: emanteno at comcast.net >To: Mike Jackson , Don >Marshall, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Music >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:46:25 +0000 > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Mike Jackson > > > Also have radio versions of The Avengers (old BBC TV show with the >incredible Ms Peel) >Diana Rigg, at least in those days, has to be included on the list of >hottest women ever. >Irv >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From deanesr at uncw.edu Thu Apr 5 08:09:38 2007 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:09:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (FoT) Fwd.Driving Music Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46405D7D4A0@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well I see we all enjoy good music but Brian Adams, The Cranberries, Fleetwood Mac and George Thorogood's " Bad to the Bone" when I get near the track does it for me. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Apr 5 08:31:14 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:31:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <020501c7778f$111843a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Ever bothered by people about you are driving a tracktor? For all TR 2-4 drivers...this is the revenge....the missing link that proofs that Triumphs CAN go fast..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapHhgnm6CQ From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 5 14:19:23 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:19:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743A05AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <461449CA.5060906@141.com> Message-ID: <00a201c777bf$c60da3b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Given all the recent discussion of music and driving, I was not surprised to read Peter Egan's column in R&T this month (the one with the new M3 on the cover) talking about the connections between Rock & Roll and cars. However, his premise is that almost all R&R musicians are car buffs, but not all car buffs are R&R fans. Looking at the music choices you all have tee'd up, I am not sure whether to agree or disagree. Pretty fair smattering of Rock, but there seems to be a little bit of everything but opera on our lists. Worth a read, as his columns always are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Jerry Barr" Cc: ; "Barr, Scott" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and > they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in > the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't > realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues > from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and > you could definitely tell. > > Susan :) > > > Jerry Barr wrote: >> I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can >> listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the >> turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm >> listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, >> Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little >> Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: >> >> >>> <> >>> >>> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >>> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >>> best. And >>> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >>> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >>> >>> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >>> bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >>> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >>> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >>> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >>> band to >>> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> -- >>> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Apr 5 19:31:00 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangability Message-ID: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Fellow Spit owners and racers, Before I dive off the deep end (again), does anyone know if a Mk III bonnet will interchange with a Mk I and II? I think the front pivots are different, but will they be dimensionally the same? I think a fellow racer named Russ Moore may have done this. Anyone have a contact for him? Steve Groh 63 ex-Manning Spitfire From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 5 19:34:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:34:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangeability In-Reply-To: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> References: <001601c777eb$3c236140$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Message-ID: <002e01c777eb$c0168630$16fea8c0@newcomputer> The main difference is in the hinge that is part of the inner frame structure. On the MK3 it is higher because the bumpers were raised. The sheet metal will interchange as long as you have the correct inner frame. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Groh Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:31 PM To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet interchangability Fellow Spit owners and racers, Before I dive off the deep end (again), does anyone know if a Mk III bonnet will interchange with a Mk I and II? I think the front pivots are different, but will they be dimensionally the same? I think a fellow racer named Russ Moore may have done this. Anyone have a contact for him? Steve Groh 63 ex-Manning Spitfire _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Fri Apr 6 09:37:00 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BD3A8FFB23343E9ACCF6BC100E48F82@SohlPC> We have a local "pea powered" AM station (1510) within a couple miles of us that plays nothing but oldies all afternoon. I have an old AM auto radio from a Dodge with a 6x9 speaker set up in my garage with a 12v power adapter and its the best way to listen to 50s/60s R&R. The station is WRNJ and it does have an internet live capability if you're curious. The host DJ is "Doc South" who is on every weekday from about Noon to 4pm and also Saturday mornings. Doc does a great deal of DJing during the summer crusie nigt gatherings in my area...Northwest NJ. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > In a message dated 4/4/2007 9:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ryoung at navcomtech.com writes: > > There's also something to be said for having the controls, and display, > hard-mounted in the dash, IMO. > > Randall - so unimpressed I gave away my iPod. > > > > ==AM== > Geez, I feel so totally out of it. Admittedly, I was intrigued to discover > that my daughter's iPod, with some sort of transmitter/adapter, would play > through my genuine Triumph-labeled AM/FM push-button radio in the Herald. > Meanwhile, though, I finally got my first CD player NOT built into a > computer, this > past Christmas. Alas, since that genuine Triumph radio has no cassette > player, I can't adapt the CD player to the (still positive ground, anyway) > Triumph. Nor do I have an iPod of my own. > > Heck, when I first got the Herald in 2002 and drove it to Minnesota and > back, I had to rely on only an AM radio. Tough to find interesting music > on the > AM band along the I-90 corridor.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, > Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Apr 6 13:32:41 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <453D9B7E-C021-4C21-AEEB-BD9EE537F5F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bill Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 Paul From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Apr 6 16:28:56 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: > Bill > > Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S > TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR inside that thing. Plus it's really "in the weeds". Wicked ride, man. > Paul rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Fri Apr 6 16:45:04 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything References: Message-ID: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result in reducing the ground clearance ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Paul MacDonald" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything > On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: > >> Bill >> >> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 > > Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR > inside that thing. > > Plus it's really "in the weeds". > > Wicked ride, man. > >> Paul > > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Apr 6 18:51:06 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:51:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> References: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> Message-ID: <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> What ground clearance??? Don Elliott wrote: > If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result in reducing > the ground clearance ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Paul MacDonald" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything > > > >> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>> Bill >>> >>> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >>> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 >>> >> Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably fit a TR >> inside that thing. >> >> Plus it's really "in the weeds". >> >> Wicked ride, man. >> >> >>> Paul >>> >> rml >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From budscars at msn.com Fri Apr 6 17:50:51 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:50:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Message-ID: <001d01c778a6$69ee07e0$8d83b304@Bud> Hello Gang...Where can I obtain all steel head gasket for my 1296cc Spitfire?.or..What if not available..what is the best alternative? Thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, ca. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Apr 6 19:32:24 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:32:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070406213207.01e0c910@blacksburg.net> Amici, It is my pleasure to nominate Leigh Derby to our throng. He's a Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. I had the pleasure seeing his Spitfire first hand a few years ago - very nice machine. His address is leighderby at earthlink.net Do I hear a second? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 6 19:59:31 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743CE7FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri Apr 06 20:32:24 2007 Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Amici, It is my pleasure to nominate Leigh Derby to our throng. He's a Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. I had the pleasure seeing his Spitfire first hand a few years ago - very nice machine. His address is leighderby at earthlink.net Do I hear a second? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 6 20:03:10 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:03:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C743CE7FF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hey Bud. I've had pretty good luck with the black, rubbery-coated composite gaskets. I think (late on a Friday) that they're Paen gaskets. Try SpitBits, order the "OEM" gasket. I was changing head gasket far too often until I started using those. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri Apr 06 18:50:51 2007 Subject: [Fot] head gasket Hello Gang...Where can I obtain all steel head gasket for my 1296cc Spitfire?.or..What if not available..what is the best alternative? Thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, ca. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Apr 6 20:08:30 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] nomination of Leigh Derby Message-ID: You know, just because your face is in Kas's book doesn't make you reputable...I should know! Err, wait. Never mind. Steve, no! Roger; Roger Evets > Spitly racer of considerable renown on the Right Coast - in fact, > you'll see his smiling face on p. 24 of Kas' latest book. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Fri Apr 6 21:29:08 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:29:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination Message-ID: I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's looking to turn into a vintage racer.... Chad writes: As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in 500 miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. I have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support my habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket book but really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, but we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Apr 6 23:48:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:48:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070407054639.4D13F187A3A@autox.team.net> I'll second! - Tony Drews At 10:29 PM 4/6/2007, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: >I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's >looking to turn into a vintage racer.... > >Chad writes: > >As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in 500 >miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar >with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. I >have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support my >habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket >book but >really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL > > >Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, but >we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps >he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? > >--Andy Mace > >*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph >Herald engine with wings. >-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > >Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald >Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2172 (20070407) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From KLynch7589 at aol.com Fri Apr 6 23:48:58 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:48:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination Message-ID: I'm in, he seems alright despite his illness... Kev Lynch RMVR ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Apr 7 05:42:51 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:42:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious References: Message-ID: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Out of the underground.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 07:26:44 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination References: <20070407054639.4D13F187A3A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801c77918$62fd9370$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Welcome Chad. I am glad Andy nominated you - I meant to after we traded emails but Andy got to it first. Always glad to have another GT6 racer in the fold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 owner nomination > I'll second! > > - Tony Drews > > At 10:29 PM 4/6/2007, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: >>I came across Chad Marshall on the British Car Forum. He's got a GT6 he's >>looking to turn into a vintage racer.... >> >>Chad writes: >> >>As far as Organizations, I am thinking HSR, SVRA, VDCA. All race with in >>500 >>miles of my home here in Western, North Carolina. I am some what familiar >>with the scene as my friends have been building and racing for 20+ years. >>I >>have gone to a few races with them as a crew. My pocket book will support >>my >>habit in the very near future so I am building the carb& I say my pocket >>book but >>really it is my wife that I have to worried aboutb& LOL >> >> >>Anyone who wishes to race a GT6 can't be all bad (or possibly all there, >>but >>we won't get into that now)! So I'd like to nominate him for FoT. Perhaps >>he'll introduce himself further. Do I get a second? >> >>--Andy Mace >> >>*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >>*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, >>Triumph >>Herald engine with wings. >>-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >>Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >>Herald >>Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) >> >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >>_______________________________________________ >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2172 (20070407) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 09:24:37 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Driving Music -Text to Speach angle In-Reply-To: <0BBA3C53-CA21-4BCC-9659-B02D592F47B2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <673708.11186.qm@web90305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another angle; I just completed a run at an MBA and discovered text-to-speach programs with the AT&T voices. Personally I like "Crystal" to read to me, definitely worth the additional cost!!! It was a great way to reduce downloaded articles and anything in virtually any format to audio using a laptop. I even ran it through the stereo as I have a 50 min drive to work each way. Turned 10 hours a week of down time to study time. Coupled with a Sprint type of Cellular internet card for the laptop and it will even read all the drivel we post from your Outlook emails while you motor. Its completely compatible with Outlook and will work through your email. Cheers, Mark Eginton at a new email address... Bill Babcock wrote: As soon as i get to it I'm going to put a "Books on Tape and Paper" section on the blog too. Diane and I are both voracious readers and listen to books on long drives when we aren't doing music. The ultimate, in my mind, is "Snows of Kilimanjaro" read by Charlton Heston. Short, but an absolute must a few times in your life. I should explain perhaps that I'm a longtime iPOD junkie and while my CD collection still exists, I listen to music and books on tape via various MP3 players. Audible.com is a great source for MP3 version of books. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> One other recommendation is "Books on Tape" (but get them on CDs). > > I will second that ... but my suggestion is to get a player that > will handle MP3 > files on CD and then transcribe your "books on CD" to MP3 format. > That way you > can get several complete books on a single disc, rather than having > 5 or more > discs per book. > > And if you can find a book you like, it not only makes the miles > fly by, but I > find it really reduces my stress level as well. I arrive much more > rested (and > a bit sorry I'm there). On more than one occasion, I've sat in the > parking lot, > listening to the end of a chapter ! > > FWIW, I'm currently listening to "Even Cowgirls get the Blues" by > Tom Robbins. > Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Tony Hillerman and Janet Evanovich > are some of > my other favorite authors for driving. Ayn Rand went over really > well too, > towing an unloaded trailer to St. Paul & back. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 7 11:32:03 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:32:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Everything In-Reply-To: <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> References: <001501c7789d$38f3f860$1123394a@Elliott> <4616EAFA.1020804@141.com> Message-ID: What a rig. I like it a lot, but if I get one more project without finishing one I'll need a new place to live. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > What ground clearance??? > > Don Elliott wrote: >> If you loaded a TR in the back, wouldn't the extra weight result >> in reducing >> the ground clearance ? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert M. Lang" >> To: "Paul MacDonald" >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Everything >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Paul MacDonald wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> Here is the beginnings of a tow van for your aluminum caravan... >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>>> ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=S >>>> TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101892605&rd=1&rd=1 >>>> >>> Yikes - with a little work on the back door, you could probably >>> fit a TR >>> inside that thing. >>> >>> Plus it's really "in the weeds". >>> >>> Wicked ride, man. >>> >>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>> rml >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for >>> rent >>> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >>> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 7 12:33:57 2007 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil Message-ID: <223419.35895.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was confused over the many posts on the oil (zinc) controversy. Is valveline racing oil still usuable? From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sat Apr 7 14:46:10 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:46:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Continued Message-ID: <20070407.144611.-210411.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? Thanks, Bill From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 15:09:07 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Virtual Engine Dyno Professional In-Reply-To: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <127857.92359.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone mess with this program with TRs? Apparently its quite accurate for High Performance V8's etc. I was impressed with the ability to input actual products and see how performance changes. My machinist uses it quite regularly for circle track and mud racers("Woodchucks" he calls them) out here - he doesn't do much foreign... BTW he told me about a fuel regulator all the guys out at Watkins Glen are using that has a vacume line to the intake manifold. Apparently there is a long downhill stretch with a tight corner at the bottom - vibration, downshifting etc tends to dump raw fuel into the manifold killing the hole shot out of the corner (again we are probably talking Holleys here). This regulator stops that by cutting fuel pressure off-throttle... Is this a common gadget, he could not remember the manufacturer,,, Mark Eginton http://www.virtualengine2000.com/DynoOverview.htm --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Apr 7 15:41:30 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:41:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E97@server.Triumph.local> Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. Anybody have one they could fax to me? Thanks! Henry Frye 860-653-3118 fax From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 7 16:44:35 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:44:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? Message-ID: <20070407.154509.890.2035564@webmail03.nyc.untd.com> I have one and will fax it to you. Joe(B) -- "Henry Frye" wrote: Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. Anybody have one they could fax to me? Thanks! Henry Frye 860-653-3118 fax _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Apr 7 16:48:01 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:48:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious In-Reply-To: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD bins at Walmart. I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage is incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. I still have two unopenned ones. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious > Out of the underground.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 7 16:48:19 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:48:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] Virtual Engine Dyno Professional Message-ID: <20070407.154918.890.2035593@webmail03.nyc.untd.com> That corner at WGI sounds like the toe of the boot, but I have never found it problematic with SU's or Webers. Joe(B) -- mark eginton wrote: Anyone mess with this program with TRs? Apparently its quite accurate for High Performance V8's etc. I was impressed with the ability to input actual products and see how performance changes. My machinist uses it quite regularly for circle track and mud racers("Woodchucks" he calls them) out here - he doesn't do much foreign... BTW he told me about a fuel regulator all the guys out at Watkins Glen are using that has a vacume line to the intake manifold. Apparently there is a long downhill stretch with a tight corner at the bottom - vibration, downshifting etc tends to dump raw fuel into the manifold killing the hole shot out of the corner (again we are probably talking Holleys here). This regulator stops that by cutting fuel pressure off-throttle... Is this a common gadget, he could not remember the manufacturer,,, Mark Eginton http://www.virtualengine2000.com/DynoOverview.htm --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 7 17:09:17 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:09:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious References: <003201c77909$e0b826e0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> Message-ID: <01a801c77969$c497acf0$690fc548@RWKastner> Some of that footage looks a lot like the first Pebble Beach course thru the trees on the 17 Mile Drive in the Del Monte forest. The last race there was in 1956, I was an entrant. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sohl To: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD bins at Walmart. I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage is incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. I still have two unopenned ones. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious > Out of the underground.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdyzmgGDuQ&mode=related&search= > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 17:47:10 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:47:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious In-Reply-To: <688CDDA0B19747D78A36EC6905221FEB@SohlPC> Message-ID: >About 2 years ago, you could find the original Fast & Furious in the $1 DVD >bins at Walmart. >I picked up about 20 over time and gave them to car friends. The footage >is >incredible and the story is totally B grade drive-in movie material. > >I still have two unopenned ones. > >Cheers, >Bill Sohl When Biography did Roger Corman's life, he talked about this film. I think he said that it was only about the second film one he made. He said that they didn't hire stunt drivers; the crew drove the cars themselves. Corman said that he was driving a Jag and that the scene called for Corman to slow down in a turn so a Porsche could pass him, but that the pass didn't occur in the first cut because Corman didn't slow down enough. Well time must dim memories because in that scene, Corman is driving a TR2 or 3 and is passed by a Jowett Jupiter! Bet he had to slow a lot for that scene! John From trhouse at greenapple.com Sat Apr 7 18:33:13 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:33:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Fast and the Furious and more!!! References: Message-ID: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> http://www.library.appstate.edu/stockcar/movies.html John Herrera wrote: From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Apr 8 07:27:39 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:27:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam card received In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E97@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> Got it, thanks to all who responded, especially Joe Boruch who found the time during this busy family holiday weekend to locate his card and fax it over. > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Frye > Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? > > Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. > > Anybody have one they could fax to me? From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Apr 8 13:20:56 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire racecar on Ebay Message-ID: <151973.48493.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are any listers bidding on the Spitfire racecar, item 260101404672, on Ebay? I'm asking because this is an old car of mine. As a matter of fact, the very first racecar I built and ran. If any of you are bidding, and want to know anything about it email me off list and I'll fill you in. The selling agent doesn't seem to know very much about the car. I've prepped it for the current owner, who has decided he doesn't care to race it. If any of you are bidding, good luck, you will surely enjoy the car. Thanks - Ed From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Apr 8 15:51:44 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:51:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: In a message dated 4/8/2007 11:02:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P > additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? > Thanks, > Bill Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by our engines. ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. Rgds Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 16:29:46 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <552944.24401.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Years traveling on an expense account applied through a 1/2 inch breaker-bar (no extra leverage needed) after a good marinade of penetrating oil for a week combined with a tubba-4 backstop inside the engine block made for a relatively uneventful closure of my issue. Thanks to all so very much for sage advice and commiseration. Gotta love garage time when you got a house full of chocolate fortified youngsters... Best and thanks again, M --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Apr 8 17:46:50 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down References: <552944.24401.qm@web90314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c77a38$2e4a0a70$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Took me a moment to figure out the expense account bit, but I get it . . . succinctly and eloquently put! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Recalcitrant Bolt the final show-down > Years traveling on an expense account applied through a 1/2 inch > breaker-bar (no extra leverage needed) after a good marinade of > penetrating oil for a week combined with a tubba-4 backstop inside the > engine block made for a relatively uneventful closure of my issue. > > Thanks to all so very much for sage advice and commiseration. > > Gotta love garage time when you got a house full of chocolate fortified > youngsters... > > Best and thanks again, > > M > > > > --------------------------------- > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Apr 9 08:40:00 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: The Car Racers Newsletter special update...22] Message-ID: <461A503A.905AC238@greenapple.com> Return-Path: Received: from mx5.greenapple.com (root at mx5.greenapple.com [198.144.72.54]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l39530gO006038 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fakemail1.lax.untd.com (m17.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.80]) by mx5.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id l3951DCP013512 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fakemail1.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m17.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDBVUC8A3L2NYS for (sender ); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:00:14 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: YhgDrkXqknf1g/UTKSrbmrc1EJgVWJO1/k9PUmK0PO3UKIlPdDs8Ew== Received: (from rnparks2 at juno.com) by m17.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MJU2FGWD; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:59:32 PDT To: Rnparks2 at juno.com Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:58:45 -0700 Subject: The Car Racers Newsletter special update...22 Message-ID: <20070408.215847.10708.21.Rnparks2 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 25-6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26-27,29,31,33,35,37,39-32767 From: Richard N Parks X-ContentStamp: 12:6:3993908832 X-MAIL-INFO: 0cf55c7cadf5a828a8d1d9a81818dd08853dcddc3c8135cd854939357ccd8575996899bc9d385d1c251ca18c6ca12578e92578e9bc599168d5c9f888f1698898c16548896955a54cbd1d2c2c1da5e199a539583d8908456558e98c25b17d55ece5e5b19db12901 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|fakemail1.lax.untd.com|rnparks2 at juno.com X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.057, required 4, autolearn=disabled, HTML_30_40 0.06, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: rnparks2 at juno.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain 1) Robert E. Petersen, founder of Petersen Publishing (Hot Rod Magazine, Motor Trend) passed away on March 23, 2007. A Celebration of Life was held on March 29 at the Petersen Automotive Museum. (Story available) 2) The 15th California Racers Reunion will be held on May 6th, 2007 in Southern California. 3) Congratulations to Scott G. Parks, grandson of Wally Parks, on passing his California State bar exam. 4) Joe MacPherson passed away on March 30, 2007. MacPherson owned many car dealerships and fielded a racecar at the Indy 500. Joe's Garage (museum) in Tustin, (CA) hosts many banquets and car club functions. 5) Best wishes for a speedy recovery to Lynn Wineland, longtime Petersen Publishing employee. 6) The Cruisin' For a Cure raffle car will be at the Long Beach Grand Prix, April 13-15, in the Firestone booth for the weekend. You can buy tickets for the drawing. Proceeds go for prostate cancer research. 7) Mary Mondello sends us word that Joe Mondello is recovering from major back surgery performed on March 29, but intends to be back porting and teaching in about a month. 8) Auto racing book and movie reviews are available at www.hotrodhotline.com and www.oilstick.com. If you have written a book or produced a move/video, send requests for reviews to me or to the websites. Readers, please support our auto/boat/motorcycle/racing authors and historians. They keep the sport alive for us. 9) Jack McAfee, a sprint car and road course driver, passed away on March 10, 2007. www.jackmcafee.com 10) Glen Barrett, Chief timer at Bonneville for many years, had by-pass surgery April 5th in Washington, Utah. He is recovering and will be home in a few days. (from Glenn Freudenberger) From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:33:16 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:33:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link Message-ID: Yes .....l but the best thing is when you hooooooof past them in 2nd od, ..... towing the plough .... The healeys HATE that ..... Long live the TR4! Happy easter TR men ..... Best regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 05/04/07 15:31 Subject: [Fot] Tracktor....the missing link Ever bothered by people about you are driving a tracktor? For all TR 2-4 drivers...this is the revenge....the missing link that proofs that Triumphs CAN go fast..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapHhgnm6CQ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:59:08 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:59:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Driving Music Message-ID: I never seem to have the right song, at the right place ..., at the right time .... ! "Bealzebub has a devil set aside for me ... For me .. For me ....!" "I never see the hidden cuve until its way too late .... " "Bury the throttle, my honey twists and growls, the flag is mine, all mine .." push my TRIUMPH to the line" Its only rock and roll ...... But I like it! Best regards for Easter Chaps! Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 05/04/07 21:19 Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music Given all the recent discussion of music and driving, I was not surprised to read Peter Egan's column in R&T this month (the one with the new M3 on the cover) talking about the connections between Rock & Roll and cars. However, his premise is that almost all R&R musicians are car buffs, but not all car buffs are R&R fans. Looking at the music choices you all have tee'd up, I am not sure whether to agree or disagree. Pretty fair smattering of Rock, but there seems to be a little bit of everything but opera on our lists. Worth a read, as his columns always are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Jerry Barr" Cc: ; "Barr, Scott" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music > Jerry turned me on to Indigenous while he and Ernie were visiting us and > they are great! They are a Native American band that plays the blues in > the style of Stevie Ray (at least the little I heard), and I didn't > realize it until he said so, but they take a lot of their musical cues > from Jimi Hendrix. I listened with that in mind after he told me, and > you could definitely tell. > > Susan :) > > > Jerry Barr wrote: >> I have been in the diesel industry most of my working life so I can >> listen to my Hummin' Cummins thrum for hours and listen to the >> turbocharger sing(no silencer ring). Very relaxing. When I'm >> listening to music it is a mix of The Blues. BB King, Albert King, >> Stevie Ray Vaughan, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Indigenous, Little >> Willie John, Muddy Waters etc, etc >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: >> >> >>> <> >>> >>> iPod with either the direct plug-in to your stereo or to a simple FM >>> transmitter. Then you're your OWN radio station. That's the >>> best. And >>> the Nano iPod carries more songs than I can pack in even my largest CD >>> case. No more messing with CDs in the car for me!! >>> >>> (and you can put books on tape on the iPod, too.) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >>> bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Susan Kahler >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:13 AM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Driving Music >>> >>> We used to travel with a bunch of CDs (and still carry favorites), but >>> have found that satellite radio is THE way to go. It always has >>> reception and has just about anything we would want to listen to, from >>> classic rewind rock n' roll to smooth jazz to 80's music to big >>> band to >>> comedy, plus many more channels of stuff. I highly recommend it! >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> -- >>> *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > -- > *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 9 13:36:56 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:36:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: From the AllAluminumTour blog: Similarly to the thread on music, I'm looking for help on books to read and books to listen to on this long, long trip. Since this list is intended to help me, let me tell you a few of the things that i already have covered. Patrick O'Brian--still can't believe he died on me. Thoughtless of him. I consider him to be one of the best writers in the english language. I have numerous full sets of his Aubrey/Maturin books, including everything on tape. Bernard Cornwall--got everything, waiting for him to write more, though I've only tried one book on tape as a download from Audible. Didn't really like it, can't say why. Rex Stout--hey, the trailer is named Nero. Rex has been gone a long time, I think I've read every word he published, and got most of them on tape. Hemingway, Robert Ruark, Peter Capstick, Peter Mayle--got 'em, read 'em, perhaps too many times. I'm waiting for my memory to go completely so I can enjoy them all fresh and new. Science Fiction--I'm a little burned out on the genre, the result of 50+ years of voraciously reading the great, the good, the OK and the really crappy. The last good SF book I found was Vernor Venge, "Fire Upon the Deep" and even he couldn't repeat the depth. I've read David Weber's stuff, but I always feel a little stupid slogging through the formulaic dreck. William Gibson seems to have quit writing, Neil Stephenson is on autopilot. My particular likes are historical fiction, science, anything to do with cars or motorcycles, the occasional detective stuff, anything hemingway-esque. Maybe that's the problem, I need to consider some new directions. What are you reading, what do you love, what books on tape are particularly great. I note that the reader is important for books on tape. Who'd have thunk that Bert Reynolds would be a GREAT book on tape voice, even though he can't pronounce "library". Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 8, 2007, at 3:27 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > Got it, thanks to all who responded, especially Joe Boruch who > found the > time during this busy family holiday weekend to locate his card and > fax > it over. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Henry Frye >> Subject: [Fot] Cam card anyone??? >> >> Can't find the cam card that came with my Erson 24-106 cam. >> >> Anybody have one they could fax to me? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 9 12:39:57 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <200704091839.l39IdvJ2021943@moose.dimebank.com> > > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam applications, > > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn & P > > additives, or do they require it at levels below government scrutiny? > > Thanks, > > Bill > > Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by our > engines. > ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. Well ... some do, some don't. http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html has a nice table of what oils contain what levels of ZDDP, and indicate the base stock, too. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 9 14:40:06 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:40:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FE6B156-3102-46D1-8C74-F15FC6CD84C6@bnj.com> I agree entirely about the Dudley Pope books. I've read most of the Alexander Kent/Bolitho books, but he's pretty dreary and repetitive. Needs a better editor (don't we all). Haven't read them all. A friend gave me a complete set for my birthday. I've also read all of C.S. Forester, especially the Hornblower series. By the way, a little plug for B.S. Levy directed to the two or three FOT guys that haven't read him. Do so. But speaking of guys that need an editor, the last book was both delightful and irritating. No one can edit their own copy past second draft. By that time every word is a drop of blood, and hard to toss. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 9, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I can't recall if we ever covered the topic, but have you read any > of the > Dudley Pope Ramage! novels? They're a cut ahead of Alexander Kent > but not > quite as good as Aubrey/Maturin. > > Anything else I might suggest is surely on your "read it already > list". I > have a stack of books that I've had no time to read. Included on > the list > are everything from O'brian after Ionian Mission. I know there's at > least > 10 more on that pile. > > But Ramage is great fun indeed. > > I don't suppose you've read Doug Nye's book on Senna. From the parts I > scanned, I shelled out about $50 for that one, hardcover and all. > > regards, > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 13:48:31 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Main Seals Message-ID: <774184.86066.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen this question asked before but for the life of me I can't find the thread in the archives. Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? Mark Eginton '57 TR3 --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 9 14:14:56 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:14:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Main Seals Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:48:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dobrosailor at yahoo.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Apr 9 14:18:11 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local> <7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> Message-ID: <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody else: > >Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the >art of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great >story of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics >to the principles of military strategy. No kidding. > >Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation >of the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. > >Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A >Bomb. Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by >Richard Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from >Road Atlanta a couple of years ago. > >Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't >remember the title. Richard - Joe? Title? > >How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >civilized world at the time of Christ. > >Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >the sensation of driving a race car at speed. > >Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator >funded virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in >Afganistan, funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all >through the back channels of government, with never a vote and never >an approval. Spent a lot of the government's dough on himself and >his lady friends, too. > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 9 14:37:16 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:37:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Main Seals clarification Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Apr 9 14:55:16 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:55:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape Message-ID: <31965909.8773821176152116765.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> Hello Bill, A couple of books I have read recently that I can recommend. "First Light" is the wartime memoir of Geoffrey Wellum who joined the RAF as a flying cadet at the age of 17 1/2 and was flying Spitfires in the Battle of Britain before he was 19. He does a wonderful job of describing both the shear joy of flying as well as the chaos and terror of aerial combat. It's one of the best books I have read in years. Another fascinating book I am now reading is "The Grand Prix Saboteurs" by Joe Saward. This is the true story of pre-war Grand Prix drivers William Grover-Williams, Robert Benoist and Jean-Pierre Wimille who worked for the British SOE in France during the war. Saward spent 18 years researching the story. It's one of those true stories that reads like fiction. It does suffer from some poor editing and can be a bit hard to follow in that the author seems to switch back and forth between using the agents real names and their code names. But it is a fantastic story. Another book I enjoyed on vacation was "Touch Wood" by Duncan Hamilton. Hamilton was a gentleman racer and Jaguar works driver who won the 1953 24hrs of Le Mans. To say that the man knew how to have fun is a serious understatement. You will laugh out loud guarnteed! I don't know if it is still in print but used copies are around. Cheers, Kurt Oblinger >From: Bill Babcock >Date: 2007/04/09 Mon PM 02:36:56 CDT >To: FOT Triumph , mgVR at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape > From the AllAluminumTour blog: > >Similarly to the thread on music, I'm looking for help on books to >read and books to listen to on this long, long trip. Since this list >is intended to help me, let me tell you a few of the things that i >already have covered. > >Patrick O'Brian--still can't believe he died on me. Thoughtless of >him. I consider him to be one of the best writers in the english >language. I have numerous full sets of his Aubrey/Maturin books, >including everything on tape. > >Bernard Cornwall--got everything, waiting for him to write more, >though I've only tried one book on tape as a download from Audible. >Didn't really like it, can't say why. > >Rex Stout--hey, the trailer is named Nero. Rex has been gone a long >time, I think I've read every word he published, and got most of them >on tape. > >Hemingway, Robert Ruark, Peter Capstick, Peter Mayle--got 'em, read >'em, perhaps too many times. I'm waiting for my memory to go >completely so I can enjoy them all fresh and new. > >Science Fiction--I'm a little burned out on the genre, the result of >50+ years of voraciously reading the great, the good, the OK and the >really crappy. The last good SF book I found was Vernor Venge, "Fire >Upon the Deep" and even he couldn't repeat the depth. I've read >David Weber's stuff, but I always feel a little stupid slogging >through the formulaic dreck. William Gibson seems to have quit >writing, Neil Stephenson is on autopilot. > >My particular likes are historical fiction, science, anything to do >with cars or motorcycles, the occasional detective stuff, anything >hemingway-esque. Maybe that's the problem, I need to consider some >new directions. What are you reading, what do you love, what books on >tape are particularly great. I note that the reader is important for >books on tape. Who'd have thunk that Bert Reynolds would be a GREAT >book on tape voice, even though he can't pronounce "library". > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Apr 9 14:52:58 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:52:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run time. Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street applications? On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Bill On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Chris Kantarjiev writes: > > > In all the discussion of oils suitable for flat tappet cam > applications, > > > I've not determined if synthetic oils can protect WITHOUT the Zn > & P > > > additives, or do they require it at levels below government > scrutiny? > > > Thanks, > > > Bill > > > > Synthetic Oils should still contain ZDDP at the levels required by > our > > engines. > > ie. above 1,000 ppm for both zinc and phsophorous. > > Well ... some do, some don't. > > http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html has a nice table > of what oils contain what levels of ZDDP, and indicate > the base stock, too. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 9 15:13:08 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. All oils, synthetic or otherwise, have Zn & P in them. Always have. Different brands have different additive packages, and thus provide different results. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Nothing has been made illegal. The EPA specifications for the named service levels have changed, and oil manufacturers that want to meet the latest service level (SM, or CJ-4 for diesels), are reducing the amount of Zn and P, as described at http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html Flat tappet engines want higher levels (at least 1000 ppm, perhaps at least 1200 ppm). So look for an oil that has that much. Or use GM's EOS to supplement the levels in the oil that you love. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 9 15:15:24 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, William G Rosenbach wrote: > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. I can't comment on this one. No direct experience. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? okay - an important distinction is required here. The reduction of ZPPD in the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec with reduced ZDDP is API SM. Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating the reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I personally have no idea if this the case or not. So, if you want oil with ZDDP, look for oils graded API SG. Higher than SG (for example SM) API rating means reduced ZDDP. In the ones right after SG the reduction is smaller in some brands than others. Motorcycle oil and certain racing oils still have the ZDDP. The terms that are used like "illegal for street use" are marketing hyperbole. > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? It's important to understand that in the US, all cars have had cats since the mid-70's (please don't flame me about early 80's Hondas having no cats). The point is that the vast majority of on-the-road cars in the US have cats or were equipped with them from the factory. Any of these catalyst equipped vehicles will have been effected by the presence of the ZDDP (and other stuff). The move to sell over the counter products to consumers is not aimed at us - that is racers and old car buffs - and if nothing else changes the availability of the earlier API rated products and products labelled "for off-road-use-only" should not change in the near-term. The new API rated oils are meant for Joe Consumer and his cat-equipped grocery getter. > Bill regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Apr 9 16:35:22 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:35:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> So the latest API certification is sort of a step back in oil function for our applications. I can see where they would try to keep the EPA at bay. Looks as if the synthetics are not THE answer to all our problems. Thanks all for the input, Bill On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) "Robert M. Lang" writes: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, William G Rosenbach wrote: > > > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. > Hearing from > > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after > extended run > > time. > > I can't comment on this one. No direct experience. > > > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > > applications? > > okay - an important distinction is required here. The reduction of > ZPPD in > the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the > American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec with > reduced > ZDDP is API SM. > > Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating > the > reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I personally > have no > idea if this the case or not. > > So, if you want oil with ZDDP, look for oils graded API SG. Higher > than SG > (for example SM) API rating means reduced ZDDP. In the ones right > after SG > the reduction is smaller in some brands than others. > > Motorcycle oil and certain racing oils still have the ZDDP. The > terms that > are used like "illegal for street use" are marketing hyperbole. > > > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? > > It's important to understand that in the US, all cars have had cats > since > the mid-70's (please don't flame me about early 80's Hondas having > no > cats). The point is that the vast majority of on-the-road cars in > the US > have cats or were equipped with them from the factory. Any of these > catalyst equipped vehicles will have been effected by the presence > of the > ZDDP (and other stuff). The move to sell over the counter products > to > consumers is not aimed at us - that is racers and old car buffs - > and if > nothing else changes the availability of the earlier API rated > products > and products labelled "for off-road-use-only" should not change in > the > near-term. The new API rated oils are meant for Joe Consumer and > his > cat-equipped grocery getter. > > > Bill > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for > rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: > 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Apr 9 16:38:40 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: References: <20070409.145259.-304487.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <031201c77af7$d2597fa0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > okay - an important distinction is required here. The > reduction of ZPPD in > the oils is not mandated by law. It is reduced in oils rated by the > American Petroleum Institute, aka API and the current spec > with reduced > ZDDP is API SM. > > Now, whether API proposed the standard to keep EPA from mandating the > reduced levels is a subject for another conversation. I > personally have no > idea if this the case or not. Just curious, Bob ... can you think of any other reason why the API would all of a sudden start specifying oil composition, rather than performance ? The EPA may not have mandated it directly but there is no doubt in my mind that's where this rule originated. If by no other means than the EPA's insistence that emission controls (like catalytic converters) should last the life of the car. They still want to weld our hoods shut. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 9 17:11:50 2007 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:11:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Books and books on tape In-Reply-To: <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local><7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <004001c77afc$7450d430$6501a8c0@RTA> Finding and retrieving the P-38 "Glacier Girl" out of the Greenland Ice Cap Book: "The Lost Squadron" by David Hayes. This covers the first 11 years of search and extraction of aircraft from glacier (250' deep). History Channel Special: "The Hunt for the Lost Squadron." 70 min DVD. This covers the full 22 years including first flight. Note: The P-38 is in Chino preparing to fly to England this summer to complete the mission it started in 1942. I'm working on getting a friend's B-17, to fly escort on the mission. If I can make this happen I might get some serious B-17 left seat time. I've only flown a B-17 one time and I gotta tell you, it makes a DC-3 feel like a Bonanza. As hard as I would try, I could not get it to fly hands-off. Nor could my instructor. It is distractingly loud and control responses take a serious measure of patience. I cannot imagine what it would be like @ gross @ 35,000 ft....with bad guys in quick little Bf's using you for recommendations for Iron Crosses. Richard Taylor, -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:18 PM To: Bill Babcock; FOT Triumph; mgVR at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Books and books on tape At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody else: > >Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the art >of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great story >of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics to the >principles of military strategy. No kidding. > >Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation of >the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. > >Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A Bomb. >Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by Richard >Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from Road Atlanta a >couple of years ago. > >Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't remember >the title. Richard - Joe? Title? > >How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >civilized world at the time of Christ. > >Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >the sensation of driving a race car at speed. > >Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator funded >virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in Afganistan, >funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all through the back >channels of government, with never a vote and never an approval. Spent >a lot of the government's dough on himself and his lady friends, too. > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Apr 9 19:40:59 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay group...I'm going to add another variable to the formula. This past week I had two new flat tappet engines to break-in; an 87mm TR3 engine and a '69 Vette with a 383 stroker in a four bolt main block with roller rockers but a flat tappet cam. So I drive my happy butt to my Chevy dealer and buy two bottles ( 1 pint each) of EOS at $10.00 a pint. Has anyone else on the list read the instructions on the bottle? They tell you to pour the contents of the bottle over the bearings, cam, lifters, rockers, etc. They then throw into the equation that EOS is not to be used as an oil additive. HELLO, what did I just do? The only thing I can figure (sarcasm here folks) is that if I pour in the EOS first, then the oil, the EOS isn't an oil additive, the oil is an EOS additive! Are they trying to tell me not to use it during oil changes? Should I only run it during break-in? Are they only playing a terrible hoax on us meant to suck the cash from the pockets of simple minded people. ( I resemble the comment). Thanks - Ed Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > This is why I'm still confused. Is the synthetic oil capable of > withstanding the load by itself or must it have the Zn & P. Hearing from > lots of folks raving about NO wear found on tare down after extended run > time. All oils, synthetic or otherwise, have Zn & P in them. Always have. Different brands have different additive packages, and thus provide different results. > Have all ZN & P containing oils been made unlawful for street > applications? > On vehicles with OR without a catalyst? Nothing has been made illegal. The EPA specifications for the named service levels have changed, and oil manufacturers that want to meet the latest service level (SM, or CJ-4 for diesels), are reducing the amount of Zn and P, as described at http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html Flat tappet engines want higher levels (at least 1000 ppm, perhaps at least 1200 ppm). So look for an oil that has that much. Or use GM's EOS to supplement the levels in the oil that you love. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Apr 9 20:04:11 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200704092113.l39LD81N030701@moose.dimebank.com> <909272.97590.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070410020238.B6DCF187A2F@autox.team.net> I'm sure they are assuming that it is being used in a modern, cat-equipped car. They don't want you to cook your cat by adding it to the oil with each change, I would assume. With the disclaimer, they are disavowing any responsibility for its use as an additive. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a good additive package, just that it's not the "intended" use. I'm somewhat intrigued by their recommendation to coat the cylinder walls with the stuff. I our cars, I suspect that the rings would have a hard time seating with that treatment. - Tony At 08:40 PM 4/9/2007, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: >Okay group...I'm going to add another variable to the formula. This >past week I had two new flat tappet engines to break-in; an 87mm TR3 >engine and a '69 Vette with a 383 stroker in a four bolt main block >with roller rockers but a flat tappet cam. So I drive my happy butt >to my Chevy dealer and buy two bottles ( 1 pint each) of EOS at >$10.00 a pint. Has anyone else on the list read the instructions on >the bottle? They tell you to pour the contents of the bottle over >the bearings, cam, lifters, rockers, etc. They then throw into the >equation that EOS is not to be used as an oil additive. HELLO, what >did I just do? The only thing I can figure (sarcasm here folks) is >that if I pour in the EOS first, then the oil, the EOS isn't an oil >additive, the oil is an EOS additive! Are they trying to tell me not >to use it during oil changes? Should I only run it during break-in? >Are they only playing a terrible hoax on us meant to suck the cash >from the pockets of simple minded people. ( > I resemble the comment). > Thanks - Ed From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Apr 9 21:02:02 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:02:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <000e01c77b1c$9d8fb490$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 Bidding has ended for this item Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. View larger picture Winning bid: US $3,952.00 Make no payments for 3 months Apply -------------------------------------------------------- Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT Shipping costs: Check item description and payment instructions Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of s.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of fa4c_2.JPG] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 9 21:29:34 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils In-Reply-To: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20070409.163523.-304487.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <461B049E.9030106@bradakis.com> If interested, April 21st at Bailey's we'll be having a tech session with the local Salt Lake area Redline Oil rep. I'm sure he'll be willing to chat with folks about their concerns, stop on by around 11 am. We're also having a swap meet and potluck picnic that day, so it should be a fun time. See you there! mjb. From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Apr 9 23:12:29 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:12:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c77b2e$d6e432e0$6401a8c0@Guinan> Here's my suggestions. Joe Guinan ---------------------------------- Cars/Motorcycles? - "Zen and The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance", by Robert M. Pirsig - which is only about motorcycles on the surface. It's also about Philosophy, Rhetoric, a descent in to madness and climbing back out, and the qualities of being "square". History? - "The Orientalist" by Tom Reiss. About a wealthy Jewish young man born in Baku, Azerbaijan and covering the years leading up to WWII. While living in Germany, he escaped persecution and became a best selling author by pretending to be a Muslim Prince. Fairly quick read, and interesting slice of history from that part of the world and that time period. Sci/Fi - I always have to recommend Frank Herbert's stuff, and not the "Dune" works. "The Dosadi Experiment", "Whipping Star", "The Jesus Incident", and "Soul Catcher" are some I remember fondly. I still pick up some of Asimov's "I Robot" books on tape when I'm going on a long trip by myself. I learn something new every time I hear/read them. One of my favorites of all time - and one I try to get Sci/Fi newbies to read is "Enders Game" by Orson Scott Card. Short, fun, and somewhat of a mind blower. It made me read the entire Ender Saga and everything else he wrote, but nothing ever recreated the feeling of reading "Ender's Game" for the first time. How about Frank McCourt? "Angela's Ashes" was interesting. "Tis" must have been forgettable, as I have. I enjoyed "Teacher Man" - probably because I was one, once upon a time. Right now I'm slowly savoring "The Soul Of A Tree: A Master Woodworkers Reflections" by George Nakashima and "Nature Form & Spirit: The Life and Legacy of George Nakashima" by his daughter Mira Nakashima. George Nakashima was a great woodworker, artist, and architect. I can't afford his furniture, but I go to the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum in Chanhassen every couple of years just to see their collection of his stuff. Well, plus they have amazing displays of an amazing variety of plants, flowers, trees, and shrubs. Worth a visit if you are in the area. I don't know if some of these are available in any digital format. I wouldn't recommend simply listening to the books on/by Nakashima, as you'll want to see the photos and drawings. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Apr 10 04:25:38 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? References: <000e01c77b1c$9d8fb490$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <000f01c77b5a$960dfa40$0101a8c0@Davis> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "FOT List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > Bidding has ended for this item > > > > > > > > > > Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. > > > > > > > > > > > View larger picture > > > > Winning bid: US $3,952.00 > Make no payments for 3 months Apply > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT > Shipping costs: Check item description and payment > instructions > > > > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > rtCurve.gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > s.gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > fa4c_2.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 10 08:19:57 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:19:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: Amici... I have reported earlier that for the present, Bob Wismer and I have chosen to run VALVOLINE 'Not Street Legal!' Racing (Synthetic SAE 20W-50 Engine Oil). Bob just got back from Sebring and Savannah, where he used this oil. When we put my engine in the T-Bolt, his will come out, and we will 'check it over'. You don't get much track time at Sebring, but at Spring Savannah you get all you can handle. But Bob said an interesting thing is that he did not 'use' any oil on the trip. He did not have to add any. We used to run Mobil1, and it was not uncommon to add a half quart during an event. But our mechanic, Kevin Potter, says our machine shop (who is heavy into drag strip engines) say they are getting 'bad reports' on performance coming back from several clients who are using this oil. Obviously dragsters are going to be running at 12/10ths. Bob and I race at about 8/10ths. We continue to watch and listen... Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Apr 10 08:43:58 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:43:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: <20070410.084400.-228273.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>>EOS is not to be used as an oil additive That would make it a Supplement then, wouldn't it. Sort of a Vitamin Z, for your engine's good health. Bill From jrhill at chorus.net Tue Apr 10 09:33:35 2007 From: jrhill at chorus.net (jrhill at chorus.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <20070410103335.CFYOF.11264.root@webfep12> Hmmm . . . 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who finished second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the winning bidder will have to pay. A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. Jim Hill ---- Bob Davis wrote: > I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "FOT List" > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > > > > Bidding has ended for this item > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sell an item like this or buy a similar item below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > View larger picture > > > > > > > > Winning bid: US $3,952.00 > > Make no payments for 3 months Apply > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ended: Apr-08-07 18:30:00 PDT > > Shipping costs: Check item description and payment > > instructions > > > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > > rtCurve.gif] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > > s.gif] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > > fa4c_2.JPG] > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Apr 10 09:58:24 2007 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:58:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hard top Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46405D7D4AB@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Its hard to believe that the top went for that figure, I have the factory original on my car, had somebody try to buy the whole car just to get the top a few years ago, thought they were joking, sure didn't think they would this kind of money. Sounds like the price of the cars is on the way up! In ten more years....well... it is a Triumph ! From tsheach at pba.co.uk Tue Apr 10 10:12:45 2007 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:12:45 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There seems to be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever since they starter to hide the bidder names. Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! They are easy to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks ago. Don't get burnt on ebay! Rgds Tony -----Original Message----- From: jrhill at chorus.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Hmmm . . . 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who finished second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the winning bidder will have to pay. A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. Jim Hill ---- Bob Davis wrote: > I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "FOT List" > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > > > > > Bidding has ended for this item From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 10 11:33:56 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75146A65-9569-4104-BB20-E3F74C036AA1@bnj.com> eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why the jury of your peers has to face you. Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > seems to > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > since they > starter to hide the bidder names. > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > They are easy > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > ago. > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > Rgds > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: jrhill at chorus.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > Hmmm . . . > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > finished > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > winning > bidder will have to pay. > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > Jim Hill > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "BOB KRAMER" >> To: "FOT List" >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? >> >> >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 >>> >>> >>> Bidding has ended for this item > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Apr 10 10:44:55 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:44:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? In-Reply-To: <75146A65-9569-4104-BB20-E3F74C036AA1@bnj.com> Message-ID: Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza delivery..............Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM >From: Bill Babcock >To: "tr4.tony at virgin.net" >CC: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 > >eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating >merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. >Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to >blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, >probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people >think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, >but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why >the jury of your peers has to face you. > >Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it >virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction >hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some >remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his >address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of >my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > >On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > > > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > > seems to > > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > > since they > > starter to hide the bidder names. > > > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > > They are easy > > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > > ago. > > > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > > > Rgds > > > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jrhill at chorus.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > Hmmm . . . > > > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > > finished > > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > > winning > > bidder will have to pay. > > > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > > > Jim Hill > > > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: > >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "BOB KRAMER" > >> To: "FOT List" > >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > >> > >> > >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > >>> > >>> > >>> Bidding has ended for this item > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dobrosailor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 11:00:45 2007 From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Devin Body for less than a FIber Glass Top Message-ID: <367147.80366.qm@web90313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a line on a Devin body out of the original mold but recently cast. I have been hoarding the info dreaming of doing something with it but I have too many projects just now so let me know if you are interested. I had him down to $3500 and it is still available as of today - its just a shell with doors boot and bonnet - absolutely no innerds. Its in Calif... Sigh... M --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 14:28:02 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:28:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph show at Brooklands Message-ID: I will be traveling to England later this month, and my wife has agreed to let me do one car thing. I was planning on going to Gaydon, but recently learned that it is closed until late May. I did see that there is a show at Brooklands on 22 April. Any of our UK members going to that event. I realize that it is a show rather than a competition, but... I'll be driving down from Suffolk. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 14:58:40 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:58:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd love to head out there, but I will have been out of town the previous two weekends and will be at Grattan 2 of the following 3 weekends. Plus the Formula SAE is in there as well. Racing season comes and I end up away from home most weekends. Doesn't make her indoors very happy. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:52 AM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: rpm724 at charter.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA "Spring Brake" at Gingerman Tim, I'll be there, though no Triumph this time. I will be continuing my quest to learn how in the heck to drive the Ginetta G-15. The 998cc of rear-engine and 1100 pounds of weight make for a car that needs to be driven just about exactly opposite of a TR4! I am leading the open-wheel group again this year at the drivers school as well as conducting the Thursday night classroom session. Looks like it's shaping up to be a big school this year. I look forward to seeing you there. John Houlton ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bfeken at copper.net Tue Apr 10 15:48:53 2007 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:48:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need a used diff Message-ID: <000901c77bba$09a8a810$7dc464d0@keng> A customer of BFE needs to buy a used TR-3 diff unit Call KIRK CHESNEY 5455 Corporate DR #103 TROY MI 48098 248-408-2182 Ken Gillanders British Frame & Engine From bfeken at copper.net Tue Apr 10 16:24:25 2007 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:24:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Diff Message-ID: <004201c77bbf$001f4dd0$7dc464d0@keng> I have a customer that needs a used TR3a diff If interested call KIRK cHESNEY 248-408-2182 ken Gillanders From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Apr 10 17:53:14 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:53:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <041020072353.20484.461C236A0005B89C000050042207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Henry Morrison" > Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I > always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza > delivery.............. Is your refrigerator running? Hope you can catch it. Do you have Phillip Morris in a box? Better let him out. Somehow, I can see you doing this Henry. I did. Irv Korey From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 10 18:16:51 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:16:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... Message-ID: Ernie sent me in the direction of Bill Bryson, ex-patriot from Des Moines, Iowa. Hardly Pulitzer Price material, but light humor that entertains. 'A Walk in The Woods' 'The Life & Times of the Thunderbolt Kid' etc. Joe (A) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 10 20:06:31 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:06:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Diff Message-ID: I've got a whole shelf full of rear axles. Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 10 20:22:18 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:22:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Diff (TR4) References: Message-ID: <004d01c77be0$3aaee660$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> While we're at it, I've got a complete TR4 rear axle assy I'd like to give away. Philadelphia area . . . I hate to junk it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Diff > I've got a whole shelf full of rear axles. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 21:50:54 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:50:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: ZDDP? Message-ID: <002301c77bec$9c3c8a20$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Got the straight scoop from Redline today, good to see they still have the good stuff in the racing and regular oils. Even though its $10 a quart! Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- Gary, Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, we still have zinc and more importantly phosphorus in our oils, both the motor oil and the race oil, sufficient for flat tappet cam shaft protection. Our current motor oil contains 1230 ppm zinc and 1100 ppm phosphorus. The MSDS you are looking at is from the Race Oil I believe, those oils contain 2500 ppm zinc, 2400 ppm phosphorus. Regards, Dave Red Line Oil From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Tue Apr 10 22:44:14 2007 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:44:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] EOS & Mobile 1 Message-ID: <461C679E.4010503@cyberspeedway.net> Group, We ran Mobil 1 in the TR6 from about 1987 on and added EOS with every oil change. We never had a cam or lifter problem running beyond .530 lift and stock diameter lifters. If you read Smokey Yunick's book he recommended EOS to add ZDDP for cam protection. If anybody has any connections with a current Cup engine builder they should know about current oils because they still require flat tappet cams and they run some extreme pressures over the nose. Their valve spring rates sound like front spring rates to us. They do run some exotic cam & lifter alloys though. If you are running a Spitfire or TR6 make sure the cam grinder knows how to deal with our small diameter lifters. You can't just run a small block Chevy acceleration ramp which is what most grinders want to do. After all, if you're not racing a Chevy or Ford you're just not a serious racer. Evidence of the wrong ramp are rounded corners of the bottom of the lifters and "wiping" of the opening sides of the lobe. Greg Lund From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 11 00:51:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:51:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32B1668B-D969-4E04-8F36-F5AA0884947D@bnj.com> I don't know if I'd call him an ex-patriot even given his lefty learnings, perhaps expatriate, and I understand the price for a Pulizer is pretty high. You must have gotten into the Pinot this evening. Anyway, I like Bill Bryson even if he does tend to whinge a bit. I've read most of his books. He did a really good one on science called "A Short History of Everything" that's particularly good on tape, he does the narration. A Walk in the Woods" is indeed a good read. So is "Notes From a Small Country". I haven't read the "thunderbolt Kid. I'll add it to the list, and maybe a couple of others from him Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:16 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Ernie sent me in the direction of Bill Bryson, ex-patriot from Des > Moines, > Iowa. > > Hardly Pulitzer Price material, but light humor that entertains. > > 'A Walk in The Woods' > > 'The Life & Times of the Thunderbolt Kid' > > etc. > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 11 05:55:03 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:55:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Books for the Itinerant Road Racer... Message-ID: Yes, 'expatriate'...no Pinot, just past my bedtime. But, I suspect Bryson found England a calmer place to live in the 60s. A 'Short History of Everything' is likely his best, is an award winner, and it is on my list. He narrates The Thunderbolt Kid...done well. Dentinger & Wismer will enjoy this one, just with the oblique reference to Thunderbolt. I have the book wrapped to send to them...if I ever get around to it. Joe (A) > I don't know if I'd call him an ex-patriot even given his lefty learnings, > perhaps expatriate, and I understand the price for a Pulizer is pretty high. > You must have gotten into the Pinot this evening. Anyway, I like Bill Bryson > even if he does tend to whinge a bit. I've read most of his books. He did a > really good one on science called "A Short History of Everything" that's > particularly good on tape, he does the narration. A Walk in the Woods" is indeed > a good read. So is "Notes From a Small Country". I haven't read the > "thunderbolt Kid. I'll add it to the list, and maybe a couple of others from him > Bill Babcock > > From spitlist at cox.net Wed Apr 11 11:22:14 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator Message-ID: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Apr 11 11:59:31 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:59:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: Sounds like he was born with the right genes....yes. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: April 11, 2007 1:22 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Apr 11 11:51:31 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Front corner valences needed for mkiv/1500 Message-ID: As the race car has had them stripped off I need to replace them as there is some questionableness in the SCCA rules as to whether they count as fenders or valences. As a precaution I'd like to replace them. What I need is the corner valence for the left and right and any mounting bracketry that is associated. I think I have a grill somewhere...are there any other metal pieces that stretch accross from the left to the right? Condition is almost irrelevant as I will lighten them anyways. any help greatly appreciated aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Il region SCCA 317-260-8098 (mobile) From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 11 12:04:24 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Joe Curry wrote: > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join > FOT? Def.! I'll second or third. The car's got a bit of history, doesn't it? rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 11 12:11:22 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:11:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator Message-ID: In a message dated 04/11/2007 1:07:13 PM Central Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that > the > > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might > be > > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail > of > > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone > who > > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > > > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to > join > > FOT? > > Def.! I'll second or third. > > The car's got a bit of history, doesn't it? > Absolutely! Those guys from Down Under are racers. We've raced with some of them at vintage events down through the years. They know how to party too! Did you know that when they spin, they go counter-clockwise? Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed Apr 11 12:52:50 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:52:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> Hey, now there's some provenance for ya. With apologies in advance to Kas and the Bill Ames's of our marque, this sounds about as close to a royal bloodline as any Triumph is ever going to get, so how can we not include the chap. I'd love to see pictures of the whole car if they are available. Dave David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join FOT? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Camber Compensator > Hi, > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > this issue. > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > seems to be the answer to my problems. > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > Regards > Roger Herrick > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Apr 11 15:36:56 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> Message-ID: A single seater race car with a Herald suspension - that definitely sounds like "our sort of people"! At 01:22 PM 4/11/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize that the >attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of you might be >interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only a detail of >the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to anyone who >wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from the guy. > >Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be invited to join >FOT? > >Joe C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Herrick" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM >Subject: Camber Compensator > > > > Hi, > > I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will > > solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. > > The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little > > different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New > > Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt in 1956 > > after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first > > race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but still has > > many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it > > acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original > > specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It suffers > > from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to solve > > this issue. > > I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it > > seems to be the answer to my problems. > > Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non > > urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA payment. > > Regards > > Roger Herrick > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream >which had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 11 17:10:38 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:10:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen Message-ID: Amici, Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 11 17:19:03 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:19:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen Message-ID: Steve. Since the windscreen is the same on the TR4-6, I suspect that Ted Schumacher's offering may fit the Spit. Joe (A) > Amici, > Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of > the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. > Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be > the only > one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone > and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve > > From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 11 17:21:45 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Amici, > Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of > the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. > Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only > one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone > and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve Ted Schumacher sells them. They're referred to as "Group 44 windscreen" I have a used one that I can't use (unless I build another race car). My new cage has the front hoop extending about a tube-width above the cowl. Not exactly vintage, but SCCA will let me play for sure. This cage is def. "GRC legal". And then some. I feel like a freakin' midget when I look at the "tower of pipes" above my head. Ooops. I think I need my meds again. :-) Seriously, see Ted the man or copy my off list. FWIW, mine has a small crack in it. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 18:22:33 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:22:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >A single seater race car with a Herald suspension - that >definitely sounds like "our sort of people"! Hmmm... Sounds like Formula Triumph. Maybe it wasn't a hoax after all. John From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 11 18:28:42 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (kaskas at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:28:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? Message-ID: <31393629.1176337722678.JavaMail.root@fed1wml17> How about the people owho access your answering machine tape and ,listen to your messges because you failed to put in an access code.Weirdos. ---- Henry Morrison wrote: > Crank calling was funny and a whole generation of artists have been lost. I > always loved celebrity impersonations or late night pizza > delivery..............Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM > > > >From: Bill Babcock > >To: "tr4.tony at virgin.net" > >CC: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:33:56 -1000 > > > >eBay is starting to look like some exotic bazar, with cheating > >merchants, bait and switch artists, shills and cutpurses everywhere. > >Nice to see people being consistent about behavior. Anonymity is to > >blame. The web needs an effective and verifiable identity system, > >probably built right into routing. No ID, no access. Some people > >think anonymity is a wonderful thing worth fighting for on the web, > >but people behave the worst when their identity is protected. Its why > >the jury of your peers has to face you. > > > >Remember crank calls and heavy breathers? Caller ID ended it > >virtually overnight. I remember with considerable satisfaction > >hitting #69 and calling back a gentleman who had just suggested some > >remarkable things to my wife. I told him I was going to look up his > >address on a reverse directory and I'd be over shortly with a few of > >my larger Romanian friends to chat about it. > > > >Bill Babcock > >billb at bnj.com > >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > > >You can subscribe to my Blogs > >Via email: > >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > >Sub=168304 > > > >or Via RSS > >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > > > > >On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:12 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > > > > > This is quite wild, but looks like some wobbly bidding again. There > > > seems to > > > be more and more of this happening on ebay these days .... Ever > > > since they > > > starter to hide the bidder names. > > > > > > Btw if anyone wants similar fibreglass tops ...... Get in touch! > > > They are easy > > > to get hold of in the uk. I turned one down at 500 gbp a few weeks > > > ago. > > > > > > Don't get burnt on ebay! > > > > > > Rgds > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jrhill at chorus.net > > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > > Sent: 10/04/07 16:33 > > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > > > > > Hmmm . . . > > > > > > 6 bidders and 24 bids, 18 of which were made by "Bidder #2" -- who > > > finished > > > second in the bidding derby, but managed to double the prince the > > > winning > > > bidder will have to pay. > > > > > > A lot of $$$ for a plastic top. > > > > > > Jim Hill > > > > > > ---- Bob Davis wrote: > > >> I have an aluminum roof section. Wonder what it is worth?? > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "BOB KRAMER" > > >> To: "FOT List" > > >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:02 PM > > >> Subject: [Fot] Fiberglas Surrey Top for $3952.00?? > > >> > > >> > > >>> SURRY TOP FOR TR4 TR250 TR6 > > >>> SURREY TOP FOR TRIUMPH Item number: 250101972681 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Bidding has ended for this item > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >_______________________________________________ > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 12 09:32:31 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:32:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Single Seat Race Car with Herald Rear suspension Message-ID: <004301c77d17$c9359400$84fea8c0@shop> I received a reply from the owner and he said that he is interested in being a member of FOT. So with the seconds and thirds I got yesterday, I need to have him added to the list. I have also requested additional photos of the entire car and hepefully he will send some. His name is Roger Herrick and his email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz Here is an excerpt from his reply: "I would be happy to join the FOT list - I suppose there are not too many cars with a Herald component that have association with two F1 drivers (and constructors). The car ran a Herald front suspension at one stage but is now in it's 1960 form with a split beam Ford 10 axle set up. Kind regards Roger" Cheers, Joe C From dave at microworks.net Sat Apr 14 02:10:18 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:10:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Some TR Videos Message-ID: <20070414082042.NNIN1266.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I recently updated the DCTRA Website (http://www.dctra.org). DCTRA is the TR Club in the Phoenix area. On the Galleries Page (accessible from the menu at the top are two on board videos from my TR3. The top is a drive in the dsert and the bottom video is a lap at (no audio) at Firebird Main. You can see Mark Weathers in his TR-6 pass me on the front straight. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 16 10:16:00 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:16:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How festive Message-ID: <4623A140.1080600@bradakis.com> Yet another chapter in the continuing saga of keeping Team.Net alive and well. Sheesh. More later. mjb. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Mon Apr 16 10:11:36 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:11:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Message-ID: Joes The last email received at this address from an _fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) was 4/11/2006. Is my AOL interferring with my receiving of emails or is the server host having challenges again ? Cary ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 16 07:29:54 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:29:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] One good 15x4-1/2 - 60 spoke wire wheel wanted References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E9A@server.Triumph.local><7.1.0.9.2.20070409134644.05690ca8@geneseo.net> <200704092020.l39KKMIL243077@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7802b$528b2bf0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Some of you may question my use of the word "good" in the context of a wire wheel, but it's for a street car. I need one that is not significantly corroded that I can sandblast and repaint. They seem to rust on the inside of the rim where the water comes in via the spokes. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Bill Babcock" ; "FOT Triumph" ; Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books and books on tape > At 02:08 PM 4/9/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote: >>Here are some suggestions I almost guarantee you won't get from anybody >>else: >> >>Boyd, by Richard Coram. Joe A recommended it to me. The biography of >>the fighter pilot who changed the course of history as far as the >>art of war and aircraft strategy are concerned. Nasty guy but great >>story of sheer genius, who applied the principles of thermodynamics >>to the principles of military strategy. No kidding. >> >>Over the Edge of the World, the story of Magellan's circumnavigation >>of the world by Laurence Bergreen. Terrifying story, stupefying adventure. >> >>Enola Gay, by Paul Tibbets, pilot of the plane that dropped the A >>Bomb. Joe and I met him at his 90th birthday party thrown for him by >>Richard Taylor, also an FOT TR4 racer, who you may remember from >>Road Atlanta a couple of years ago. >> >>Also the story of Richard Taylor digging up the P-38 from under the >>Greenland Ice. Great adventure by a guy we all know. I don't >>remember the title. Richard - Joe? Title? >> >>How Christianity Changed the World, by Alvin Schmidt. The most >>interesting stuff I've ever read about the culture existing in the >>civilized world at the time of Christ. >> >>Life at Full Throttle by Janet Guthrie - famous woman driver. Fast >>read. Whatta person. It has the best printed words I've ever read on >>the sensation of driving a race car at speed. >> >>Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. How one maverick senator >>funded virtually the entire effort to overthrow the Taliban in >>Afganistan, funneling billions of dollars into Afganistan all >>through the back channels of government, with never a vote and never >>an approval. Spent a lot of the government's dough on himself and >>his lady friends, too. >> > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Apr 13 05:42:27 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire windscreen References: Message-ID: <461F6CA3.9070705@bright.net> Steve, we make these windscreens. Basically a copy of the original Mueller windscreen. They are listed on our website. Ted Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: >Amici, >Andy Vowell of the UK (many of you know him or of him) is looking for one of >the flat plexi cowls we use on the Spits in the absence of a windscreen. >Apparently they're unknown in the UK and wouldn't he be the coolest to be the only >one to have one? Anybody know where they're from? I could get on the phone >and start looking but you guys probably know better...Steve > > > >************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 14 01:10:02 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:10:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator In-Reply-To: <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> References: <00b601c77c5d$f31e4b00$84fea8c0@shop> <000001c77c6e$128cc290$6a00000a@Dave> Message-ID: <4A6A8DD4-6817-4ED8-AB3C-0E17F5D0CA26@bnj.com> Hello testing...testing. Is this mike on...? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:52 AM, David Talbott wrote: > Hey, now there's some provenance for ya. With apologies in advance > to Kas and > the Bill Ames's of our marque, this sounds about as close to a > royal bloodline > as any Triumph is ever going to get, so how can we not include the > chap. I'd > love to see pictures of the whole car if they are available. > > Dave > > David Talbott, President > Architectural Reproductions, Inc. > Portland, Oregon > Toll Free (888) 440-8007 > www.archrepro.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:22 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Camber Compensator > > > I got this message today from a fellow in New Zealand. I realize > that the > attachment is deleted by the list server but I thought some of > you might be > interested in the message. I can send a copy of the photo (only > a detail > of > the right rear suspension with some of the body work) off list to > anyone > who > wants to see it. I have also requested additional photos from > the guy. > > Question, does anyone other than me think this guy should be > invited to > join > FOT? > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herrick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM > Subject: Camber Compensator > > >> Hi, >> I am inquiring about your camber compensator kit which hopefully will >> solve problems on my Triumph Herald rear suspension set up. >> The application where I have the Herald suspension is a little >> different. I have a historic single seater racing car here in New >> Zealand that was built by my great uncle in 1947. It was rebuilt >> in 1956 >> after an accident by Bruce McLaren and in 1959 was Chris Amon's first >> race car. Over the years it has been changed and modified but >> still has >> many components from its earlier years. Some time in the past it >> acquired a Triumph Herald rear suspension in pretty much original >> specification (attached is a photo of the rear suspension). It >> suffers >> from the dreaded camber change problem and I have been looking to >> solve >> this issue. >> I have recently come across a web site with your kit featured and it >> seems to be the answer to my problems. >> Could you please advise the price of your kit including estimated non >> urgent airmail to New Zealand and also whether you accept VISA >> payment. >> Regards >> Roger Herrick >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > - > ---- > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet- > stream which > had a name of A40 Special rear suspension.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Apr 13 17:47:30 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:47:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] EOS & Mobile 1 Message-ID: <20070413.164825.375.2461603@webmail50.nyc.untd.com> Joe Gibbs Oils are used in Cup cars and are made specifically for flat tappet motors. -- greg wrote: Group, We ran Mobil 1 in the TR6 from about 1987 on and added EOS with every oil change. We never had a cam or lifter problem running beyond .530 lift and stock diameter lifters. If you read Smokey Yunick's book he recommended EOS to add ZDDP for cam protection. If anybody has any connections with a current Cup engine builder they should know about current oils because they still require flat tappet cams and they run some extreme pressures over the nose. Their valve spring rates sound like front spring rates to us. They do run some exotic cam & lifter alloys though. If you are running a Spitfire or TR6 make sure the cam grinder knows how to deal with our small diameter lifters. You can't just run a small block Chevy acceleration ramp which is what most grinders want to do. After all, if you're not racing a Chevy or Ford you're just not a serious racer. Evidence of the wrong ramp are rounded corners of the bottom of the lifters and "wiping" of the opening sides of the lobe. Greg Lund _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 16 17:10:53 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? Message-ID: <000501c7807c$7ca3ad30$4101a8c0@ZAP> Does anybody have an extra set of Spitfire wheels they could part with? Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 16 16:18:47 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:18:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? In-Reply-To: <000501c7807c$7ca3ad30$4101a8c0@ZAP> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7441A178@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've got a set of Cosmics, a set of (magnesium?) Minilites and a set of widened steel wheels. All of which I could part with. I'm not sure that the Minilites are magnesium -- they're that dull grey color where they're not painted blue. If they are magnesium, I'd be really reluctant to put them on a race car (or maybe ANY car) without some serious inspection first (and continuing inspection thereafter). Photos attached (which will be stripped from the FOT copy). Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert D. MacKenzie Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels? Does anybody have an extra set of Spitfire wheels they could part with? Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of No. 22 White Parts 010.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of No. 22 White Parts 024.jpg] From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 23:41:22 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:41:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: ZDDP? - follow-on question Message-ID: <00f001c780b3$08f42db0$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Amici, Leon raised a couple more interesting questions about moly content in RedLine oil and the differences between their race and street oil. Here is their response. Regards, Gary Schneider 37 EP TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Granquist" To: "Gary & Gretchen" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Re: ZDDP? - foolow-on question > >Dave, >>Thanks again for the quick and helpful response on my question a week ago. >>A gent on our Triumph racing list asked a couple more technical questions >>if I could request your assistance again. >> >>In addition to zinc/phosphorus levels, are there other differences between >>your Racing oil and the non-Racing? Probably less detergent? >> >>What is the amount of moly in both types? Apparently there is suspicion >>some oil filters don't like a lot of moly. >> >>Thanks again and best regards, >>Gary >> > > Gary, > > Glad I could help. The Race Oils have very little detergent, that is the > biggest difference between the two oils. The Race Oil is optimized for > race use so has a different additive package. The moly is the same in the > Race and Motor oils, 950 ppm. Unless the filter is a very small sub micron > bypass type, I wouldn't expect an issue with the moly present in our oil, > it is small enough to pass through most filters. > > Regards, Dave > Red Line Oil From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 17 06:24:27 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:24:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race report - VDCA @ VIR Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EBE@server.Triumph.local> The fifth annual Wild Hare Run ran last weekend, and we were well represented in both closed wheel run groups. The Spitfires of Rob Stewart, Tim Slater and Freddy Danovitz plus the TR's of George Wright, Alan Pinel, Dennis DeLap, Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton, Gene Hammer, Mark Wheatley, and me. Apologies to whomever I am forgetting. The weather was far from ideal for a couple sessions, but thanks to a schedule loaded with track time we still got more dry track time than some groups can offer in a whole weekend. The Wild Hare race is done on Friday afternoon after we get worn out running our normal 3 practice sessions. So for the fourth time of the day we don the nomex and go to the grid. Cars are lined up slowest first, and with stopwatch in hand, released at the precise time that would allow, should all cars do 6 laps at exactly their best lap time, they would cross the finish line at the same time. Sandbaggers can't win, and the winner is usually somebody who starts in the first 15 slots or so. Any further back than that would require some outrageous luck to get through traffic. Anyway, the proud winner of the Wild Hare Run was no other than our own Dennis DeLap! We know he will covet the, ahem, trophy. For the past couple years the second place trophy has been donated by a generous VDCA member with an active imagination, and has gained the reputation to be coveted even more than the, ahem, trophy for first. This years second place trophy was absolutely up to par, a section of a Hoosier tire on a plaque running over a hare. Second place went to no other than Charlie Kates. You long time Triumph racers and fans may remember him and his TR4 and the legendary battles with Mike Jackson in his TR3. Charlie got away from racing 17 years ago, and decided last year it's time to get back in the fray. He bought a Lotus 7 and is in process of finding the handle. One of the truly coolest parts of the weekend was being paddocked with Mark Wheatley, who runs Charlie's old TR4. To see Charlie reunited with his old car was quite a treat. Journalist and certified ride mooch Burt Levy was in attendance gathering intel for a story, so watch the usual places to see what he has to say. If you have been paying attention on this list there was a little race within a race, something to do with a lady pushing a tea cart and Fat Bastard Wine. There was a committee involved, I was not a part of it, and I defer to said committee to fill in the details. Leo, Don, Dean, the floor is yours... Guys, I know I am sounding like a broken record, but I will say it again. If you are within striking distance of a VDCA event, it will be worth the tow. Race Director Mike Jackson and his board of directors have put together something pretty special. Until next time! From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Apr 17 08:27:33 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:27:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod orientation Message-ID: Amici, a basic question...does anyone make any efforts to orient the big end of the rod in any particular fashion? Whether it be bearing tang against the rotation or with crank rotation? I've never seen it mentioned but I was pondering that detail. I know if your bearing crush allows the bearing to slip you've already lost the game and thusly it shouldn't make any difference but nonetheless, anybody ever think about this? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:27:11 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 15:38:44 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:38:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that transmission. Ah, well. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can > anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? > > Send instant messages to your online friends http:// > au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 17 14:45:53 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:52:59 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <205262.15972.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Robert, Any idea of the cost od the Jericho setup it sounds good. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert M. Lang To: Jim Cun Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 6:45:53 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 17 14:56:26 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bill, Which brand did you use? Sounds like it is the way to go not cheap. Would really like a sequential dog box for racing but I don't think this is in the rules. Thanks Bill ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Babcock To: Jim Cun Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 7:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that transmission. Ah, well. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: Hi, I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Apr 17 15:21:32 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:21:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod orientation Message-ID: Hmmm, I was thinking about Carrillo rods here and not the slant cut stock rods. I haven't built a stock motor in so long I forgot about the slant cut. Steve Amici, a basic question...does anyone make any efforts to orient the big end of the rod in any particular fashion? Whether it be bearing tang against the rotation or with crank rotation? I've never seen it mentioned but I was pondering that detail. I know if your bearing crush allows the bearing to slip you've already lost the game and thusly it shouldn't make any difference but nonetheless, anybody ever think about this? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 15:50:41 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill Hart [of the "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's Ferrari to run around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and everything being for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap price of things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic dollars! Chuck On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > Robert: > > That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it with my > better half. > > "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority that my > hobby is cheaper than a boat." > > Yeah. That feels pretty good. > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] > Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM > To: Navarrette, Vance > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > > > > I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not > > unreasonable for a complete restoration. > > Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. > > > Vance > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net or > try > === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool > === Other lists available at > === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > === Edit your replies! > -- Chuck Arnold From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Apr 17 16:03:07 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:03:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values References: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The problem with horses is that they use as much fuel at idle as they do at full throttle... and they idle all the time. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Navarrette, Vance ; Friends Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill Hart [of the "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's Ferrari to run around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and everything being for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap price of things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic dollars! Chuck On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance > wrote: > > Robert: > > That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it with my > better half. > > "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority that my > hobby is cheaper than a boat." > > Yeah. That feels pretty good. > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] > Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM > To: Navarrette, Vance > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > > > > > I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not > > unreasonable for a complete restoration. > > Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. > > > Vance > > regards, > rml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net or > try > === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool > === Other lists available at > === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > === Edit your replies! > -- Chuck Arnold _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Tue Apr 17 17:05:19 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox housing.....not that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate sized Hewland gearsets for your horsepower range and your set. Lots of other detais to work out as well, but not too terrible. Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Spitfire racer -----Original Message----- From: lang at isis.mit.edu To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, Hi. > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > give me their experience with this type of set up? My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife and nothing. Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you initially set up the box. And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant up-shifts. argh Argh ARGH. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Apr 17 17:12:20 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:12:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Message-ID: <004301c78145$d9ccc270$6501a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey guys here is a great video of the ill-fated 1955 race. Lots of TR sightings!! Three TR2s started and three finished! Mike Hawthorne and Ivan Bueb won the race in a Jaguar. Very neat! http://www.sportscarmarket.com/inmotion/ If this link doesn't go through the list, go to YouTube and search for 1955 LeMans. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 19:32:03 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:32:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070417205626.48547.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used the Quaife. Got it from Cambridge motorsports. Not cheap at all, especially now with the pound being so strong. Sequential boxes are nice--it's what I had in my Radical, though of course it was a motorcycle transmission. I do actually like H pattern better because you can pick the gear you want rather than going down through a couple and hoping you counted right. Just a geezer preference though I suspect. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > Bill, > Which brand did you use? Sounds like it is the way to go not > cheap. Would really like a sequential dog box for racing but I > don't think this is in the rules. > Thanks Bill > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill Babcock > To: Jim Cun > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 7:38:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box > > Best thing since sliced bread. They hold together really well, no > side thrust on the bearings if since they are all straight cut, and > they shift great as long as you are smooth and positive with them. > I've had one on Peyote for about three years. Zero trouble except > for the time I broke the flywheel bolts and sawed off the > bellhousing which dropped the whole transmission on the track at > about a buck twenty. No serviceable parts remained from that > transmission. Ah, well. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American > tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Cun wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can >> anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends http:// >> au.messenger.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http:// > au.messenger.yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 19:34:51 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:34:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0704171450w58ffb8c6if9fef4a10030360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Billy is such a great guy. I've never seen him drive any of the expensive toys in the collection. When you go into their pits Bill always looks like the hired help. Tony Garmey even dresses nicer than he does. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > So I was at our vintage race novice/test tune day Friday. Bill > Hart [of the > "Hart" collection of cars, including the TR250] has a 1950's > Ferrari to run > around the track with. Someone joked about price/cost and > everything being > for sale. Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap > price of > things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic > dollars! > Chuck > > On 4/17/07, Navarrette, Vance wrote: >> >> Robert: >> >> That is such a choice statement, I am going to share it >> with my >> better half. >> >> "Honey, it could be worse. I have it on good authority >> that my >> hobby is cheaper than a boat." >> >> Yeah. That feels pretty good. >> >> Vance >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] >> Sent: April 17, 2007 1:35 PM >> To: Navarrette, Vance >> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: RE: [6pack] tr6 values >> >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Navarrette, Vance wrote: >> >> >> >>> I bet if you had someone do the work for you $50k is not >>> unreasonable for a complete restoration. >> >> Ya - but it's still cheaper than a BOAT. Trust me on that one. >> >>> Vance >> >> regards, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> ------ >> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> ------ >> >> Your messages not reaching the list? >> Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html >> >> === Help keep Team.Net on the air >> === http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> === unsubscribe/change address requests to >> majordomo at autox.team.net or >> try >> === http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool >> === Other lists available at >> === http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo >> === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> === http://www.team.net/the-local >> === Edit your replies! >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 17 19:28:10 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:28:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] [6pack] tr6 values Message-ID: In a message dated 4/17/2007 7:58:27 PM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: Just then a horse owner came buy and derided the cheap > price of > things like cars -- get a championship horse and see the cubic > dollars! > Chuck Like the two year old Mineshaft filly, who just sold at the Keeneland Spring Sale for 1.75 Million (a new record for a filly). Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Apr 17 20:11:33 2007 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:11:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Message-ID: Sounds like the video is pirated from the Standard-Triumph one that shows the crash only as a pillar of smoke. Bueb is a Welshman not a Russian - first name is Ivor No final "e" on Hawthorn. TR2s finished 14th, 15th and 19th in '55. Mike Cook ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Snook Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] LeMans 1955 Video Hey guys here is a great video of the ill-fated 1955 race. Lots of TR sightings!! Three TR2s started and three finished! Mike Hawthorne and Ivan Bueb won the race in a Jaguar. Very neat! http://www.sportscarmarket.com/inmotion/ If this link doesn't go through the list, go to YouTube and search for 1955 LeMans. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 20:30:01 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Ok, folks young and old one and all. Here is the scoop for the Autocross taking place at Road America May 19th in conjunction with the MOTRAH 007 Vintage Race event. It is open to all Morgan, Triumph, and Austin Healey vehicles from bone stock to full race. You will run with similar prepared cars. It should be a blast so if you want to participate get your registration in because there are a limited number of slots available. See you there, Marty Sukey MOTRAH Autocross Registration Plans are being finalized for the MOTRAH Autocross on Saturday, May 19th. We are now ready to begin accepting registrations from Morgan, Triumph and Austin Healey drivers for this event. The Autocross will be run from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm on the Briggs and Stratton Motorplex at Road America and is being organized by the members of Windy City Morgan Owners Group, Chicago's Morgan club. Due to time and capacity constraints, it may be necessary to limit the number of entries so it is important that you register now to guarantee a spot. From now until May 6, 2007, an early registration period will be held. During this period, the first 25 registrations for each marque (total of 75) will be guaranteed a place in the Autocross. Beginning May7, 2007 and continuing through May 18, 2007, registration will be on a first come basis regardless of marque until all available Autocross spots are filled. In order to register, e-mail or telephone Steve Balsamo at Windy City MOG [ sdbalsamo at aol.com, (847) 242-0717 ] stating name, address and type of car. This notification will hold your place in the event. You will then be sent a registration package including Rules, class structure and a registration form. This should be completed and returned to Steve at P.O. Box 210, Glencoe, Illinois 60022. There is no entry fee for the event. If you have a Healey, Triumph or Morgan you are welcome as our guest. Prizes and operating costs are being covered by Windy City MOG. If you have any questions regarding the Autocross, please feel free to contact Steve Balsamo as outlined above. _________________________________________________________________ Dont quit your job  Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. 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Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9a3462582f21e6; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:31:23 -0400 Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME027-9a3462582f21e6; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:31:15 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.232.207.191.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.207.191]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HdzvF-0006p3-00; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:29:29 -0400 X-Sender: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:25:38 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (Richard Feibusch) Subject: MG jokes 101 X-AOL-IP: 207.69.195.65 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain - - A blonde pushes her MG into a gas station and tells the mechanic, "It just quit on me!" He tells her to open the bonnet and then unscrews the float cover and sees that it is filled with silt. - - The blond asks, "What's the story?" " Oh, Just crap in the carburetor," he replies. "And how often do I have to do that?" she asks. - - Q. What do you call the shock absorbers inside an MG? A. Passengers. - - Two guys in an MG were arrested last night in London following a push-by shooting incident. - - The new MG has an airbag. so when you sense an impending accident, start pumping real fast. - - A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a petrol cap for my MG." The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade." submitted by John Voelcker [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of MG_-_Blond.jpg" ; x-mac-type="4A504547" ; x-mac-creator="4A565752] From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Tue Apr 17 23:10:59 2007 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <419813.93626.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4625A863.7060001@cyberspeedway.net> Jim, We ran a Jerico mag case gearbox for 6 seasons in SCCA National competition and never had a lick of trouble. It cut lap times about .7 seconds at most tracks. If I were doing it from scratch today, I would get the thinner (lighter weight) qualifying gears as they are still bigger than we need for a 6. The mag case Jerico is only about 12 pounds heavier than the stock 6 box. We ran a 1.76-1 first and found it was near perfect for all the tracks we ran. PIR, FIRP, Willow, Buttonwillow, Holtville, Mid Ohio. The downside of the side shifter style of American 4 speeds is the room the shifter takes up. It intrudes on the left side of the tunnel and will be a problem unless you can move the driver seat to the left. I would look at rotating the gearbox so the shifter was further toward the top. The Mid Valley Engineering shifter is set up to mount on a Jerico or Tex Racing T101 that has been rotated 90 degrees (as viewed from the rear) so the shifter rods are on top. Greg Lund Jim Cun wrote: > Hi, > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone give me their experience with this type of set up? > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From simon at telephonestogo.ca Wed Apr 18 07:15:01 2007 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:15:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LeMans video Message-ID: <045f01c781bb$9266da30$3464a8c0@SIMON> Actually Ivor bueb, nicknamed "Ivor the Driver", I think this is one of the Standard Triumph PR films narrated by the late Raymond Baxter, whose mellifluous voice graced many similar documentaries over the years. I have VHS copies of several, so I think they are still available. Simon. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Apr 18 07:53:19 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox > housing.....not that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate > sized Hewland gearsets for your horsepower range and your set. Lots > of other detais to work out as well, but not too terrible. Great idea. However, I'm not certain that the big TR gearbox shafts are spaced the same as Spitfire. If anyone knows better, fire away - we'd love to know. > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire racer regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From triosan at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 09:21:43 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:21:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dog Box In-Reply-To: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C94F5C00D188D8-1D0C-72E5@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0704180821r40139970w37bebae816f78a98@mail.gmail.com> Now that is a topic I would like a lot more information about! On 4/17/07, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > > Or you can make your own that fits into the stock gearbox housing.....not > that I know anything about that. Use the appropriate sized Hewland gearsets > for your horsepower range and your set. Lots of other detais to work out as > well, but not too terrible. > > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire racer > > -----Original Message----- > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dog Box > > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jim Cun wrote: > > > Hi, > > Hi. > > > I have been thinking about using a dog box for my TR5. Can anyone > > give me their experience with this type of set up? > > My take on this is that if you are not constrained by rules, you should > def. consider a Jericho 4 or 5 speed. If you have to stick with the TR > gearbox (vintage), then you don't have a lot of choice - you get Quaife > and nothing. > > Jericho is kool because you can get alternate gear sets. But even if you > don't want alternate sets, you get exactly what you need when you > initially set up the box. > > And for pretty much any Triumph the Jericho box is major overkill in terms > of robustness. Put another way, some of the 6-cyl guys are making well in > excess of 200 HP. The stock TR6 box is not designed for that much power. > So you trash the box pretty regularly. Two TR boxes with C/R gears and > labor and you're right there in terms of cost for the Jericho setup. > > The only "if" with Jericho is getting the bell housing setup. Sam Halkias > used a cut-off TR6 bell housing with a plate welded to it and then drilled > it for the Jericho (which I believe is the same as the Borg-Warner T5). > > But to me, straight cut gears and dog-engagement is just "too kool". > Nothing says "I'm a race car" like singing straight cuts and instant > up-shifts. > > argh Argh ARGH. > > rml > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 18 10:09:05 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] LeMans video Message-ID: In a message dated 04/18/2007 10:41:24 AM Central Daylight Time, simon at telephonestogo.ca writes: > I think this is one of the Standard Triumph PR films narrated by the late > Raymond Baxter, whose mellifluous voice graced many similar documentaries > over > Ah yes, and when Sir Peter Ustinov does his Grand Prix of Gibraltar, Raymond Baxter becomes Roland Thaxter, and Stirling Moss becomes Girling Foss, and on and on. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 18 18:29:41 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Line-boring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <256537.97659.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? Thanks Dennis b.t.w. - if you are ever looking for an early spring event, or if VIR is on your list of tracks to race - Mike Jackson's VDCA event is a must do. Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Apr 18 19:37:16 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:37:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Videos Message-ID: <4626C7CC.8060602@verizon.net> Here are a couple of fun videos. No Triumph content but still fun. I wanna Ferrari...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25M_XEf-o38 Basic auto mechanics....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfFRQ-StpwA Cheers, Kurt Oblinger From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Apr 18 20:10:35 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:10:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] Line-boring Message-ID: <20070418.191125.18248.2505921@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Both of my race blocks have been align honed, not bored. Change was not enough that I had to modify the BFE rear seal halves. Joe(B) -- Dennis DeLap wrote: Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? Thanks Dennis b.t.w. - if you are ever looking for an early spring event, or if VIR is on your list of tracks to race - Mike Jackson's VDCA event is a must do. Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fubog1 at aol.com writes: Are the main seal upgrade kits worth the trouble/expense? In my opinion yes but the housings sometimes need a bit of fitting, depending on how much the crank center has been changed due to line-boring. My reply wasn't very clear so let me add that that isn't so much the crank center being changed that affects the fitting of it, it's mainly that when the housing bore is redone it closes up the housing bore into which the seal housing registers. It makes it slightly elliptical & the OD of the seal housing is essentially too big to fit properly. They usually need some metal removal in order to get them concentric with the shaft & a good fit in the housing bore. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From Fubog1 at aol.com Thu Apr 19 05:48:49 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:48:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Line-boring Message-ID: In a message dated 4/18/2007 8:30:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: Glen - I just got back from VIR - so missed this thread. Is line boring common and/or advisable for a race engine? Other amici comments - how many line bored blocks are out there?? What is actually modified to make the rear seal center up after a line bore? For an all out race engine it's SOP as part of squaring up the block but it shouldn't be done indiscriminately. The housing bore has to be measured &, depending on size, it may need to be honed or bored back to spec. Manufacturers usually have a range of about 6/10 tolerance, it's best to put it on the snug side for good bearing shell grip. If it measures OK & the crank turns freely, it's most likely OK. The surface finish of the housing bore is critical also, it needs to be smooth so it makes good contact with the back of the shell. Pronounced black "streaks" or burnishing on the back of the old shells usually indicates a problem with the housing bore. You might have to remove a SLIGHT bit of material from the parting faces of the seal housing or turn down the OD of the seal housing SLIGHTLY, so it doesn't keep the main cap from seating properly, depending on finished size of seal housing register. If the housing bore is done properly, it won't change the crank center by more than a couple thou. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 19 15:21:39 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? Jim Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 19 15:32:14 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:32:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c782ca$32861080$84fea8c0@shop> I have used Unobtanium Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cun" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > Hi > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > > Jim > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 19 15:36:05 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <905709.95645.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good one Joe.... ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Curry To: Jim Cun ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, 20 April, 2007 7:32:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods I have used Unobtanium Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cun" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > Hi > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > > Jim > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From dave at microworks.net Thu Apr 19 15:37:52 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:37:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphest Oct 11 - 14 2007 in Laughlin Now Accepting Registrations Message-ID: <20070419214022.QRGK1218.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Come join us for Casino Royale - Triumphest 2007 to be held at The River Palms Resort and Casino, Laughlin, Nevada October 11th thru October 14th Registration is now open and you can register online or download the registration form at http://www.triumphest.com/ Check out the website and see videos for the car lift that you can buy raffle tickets for. We will have a new one shipped to your home at no cost (as long as you're in the US). You can use the registration form to order just regalia and raffle tickets if you can't attend the event. You can even pay using PayPal. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:32 AM From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Apr 19 16:51:05 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:51:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Trophy Winner Announcement Message-ID: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-path: From: LOddTR at aol.com Full-name: LOddTR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:10:25 EDT Subject: F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Trophy Winner Announcement To: fot-owner at autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5065 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain The First Annual Triumph Bash, April Spring Tune-up And Race Days was a smash hit at VIR last weekend. As Henry Frye reported, the fabulous weather Friday and Saturday provided great racing for the 12 Triumphs entered. As previously announced, a group of rebellious TR pilots provided Triumph-only parties and a special trophy for a Triumph participating in the Wild Hare Run. Based on an elaborate scoring system that took into account the driver's finishing position, age, and a host of other factors, our winner was selected. I am pleased to announce to the greater FOT community that Dennis DeLap, owner, restorer and chief wrench, of a pristine surrey-topped TR4, was awarded the Martha McDougal FATBASTARD trophy for 2007. As Henry noted, Dennis also took the Wild Hare overall win, giving the Triumph marque dominance at the awards dinner. Congratulations to Dennis and his crew! Many thanks go to Dean and Nita Tetterton, Don and Jo Marshall, Henry, George, Mark and all that helped to make this event a success. Leo Oddi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 11:29:55 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:29:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <20070419212139.54442.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070420172911.632C8187B63@autox.team.net> There is a guy in Germany, Stephan Schamschula, that used them in his wild TR6 I believe. His e-mail address is below if you went to contact him. szs-motor at t-online.de Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Cun Sent: 19 April 2007 22:22 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Hi Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? Jim Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Apr 20 15:47:58 2007 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:47:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium Message-ID: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the suspension. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 15:53:00 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:53:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070420215216.D94AE187A06@autox.team.net> I think I like your son; must mention this to Mr Drews when I visit him next month...... -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works USA [mailto:gasket.works at gte.net] Sent: 20 April 2007 22:48 To: Keith Files; 'Jim Cun' Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: titanium Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the suspension. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Apr 20 15:57:35 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <20070420172911.632C8187B63@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cun > Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Fri Apr 20 16:22:13 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:22:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <001801c7839a$59be1460$1123394a@Elliott> Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. > Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. > > :-) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Cun >> Subject: [Fot] titanium rods >> >> Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Apr 20 17:23:56 2007 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:23:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042EDB@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20070420232312.4EB8A187A93@autox.team.net> Hey Henry, me an you both; mine was due to an errant BMW driver taking me out on my Honda Firestorm in good old London Town - they stopped the traffic at rush hour to land the air ambulance and I made the UK national news - great days..... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Henry Frye Sent: 20 April 2007 22:58 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods Not me, but I use a couple bits of the stuff in my accelerator leg. Don't know if it makes the race car any faster, but I sure walk faster. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cun > Subject: [Fot] titanium rods > > Has any one used any titanium rods for your race engines? _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 20 19:35:41 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:35:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? NAW! He's still limp. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Apr 20 19:40:33 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: Yer killin me here.... hehe. Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability enhancer for the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? NAW! He's still limp. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Apr 20 22:46:06 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:46:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704210448.l3L4mLXV242866@ns3.geneseo.net> One rod manufacturer I talked with said they can supply rods in titanium for the bargain basement price of about $460 per rod. On the other hand, there are less expensive approaches to lowering rod weight. Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR use that weigh 650 grams per rod. One car will shortly be racing with these rods. Not all that much weight savings, but the set I just converted for a friend cost less than half of what Carillos cost. Then if you want to buy new Wiseco pistons and have them made to accept shorter pins, you can reduce the weight of the rod / pin / piston assembly by another 20 grams by using lightweight pins. Then there's one more approach to lightweight rods that would give rods of about 550 grams and still cost less than Carillos. Tantalizing, huh? But when I survey the FOT list for interest, I don't come up with enough genuine interest to make the whole thing viable from the standpoint of bringing these to market and making a decent profit for all the effort, so I've run out of steam. If there is enough interest, I'll write this up and put it on Tony's web site. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 01:35:34 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds-- about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 20, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Yer killin me here.... > > hehe. > > Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability > enhancer for > the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. > > Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; > henry at henryfrye.com ; > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > > > In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: > > Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? > > NAW! He's still limp. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From don at carterdesignassociates.com Sat Apr 21 00:40:46 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:40:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: <200704210448.l3L4mLXV242866@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000501c783df$fe43cb70$38e8a8c0@DWC> Jack, you guys stay up way too late. I thought I was the only night person. You know architects train for this in college. What's yall's excuse? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods One rod manufacturer I talked with said they can supply rods in titanium for the bargain basement price of about $460 per rod. On the other hand, there are less expensive approaches to lowering rod weight. Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR use that weigh 650 grams per rod. One car will shortly be racing with these rods. Not all that much weight savings, but the set I just converted for a friend cost less than half of what Carillos cost. Then if you want to buy new Wiseco pistons and have them made to accept shorter pins, you can reduce the weight of the rod / pin / piston assembly by another 20 grams by using lightweight pins. Then there's one more approach to lightweight rods that would give rods of about 550 grams and still cost less than Carillos. Tantalizing, huh? But when I survey the FOT list for interest, I don't come up with enough genuine interest to make the whole thing viable from the standpoint of bringing these to market and making a decent profit for all the effort, so I've run out of steam. If there is enough interest, I'll write this up and put it on Tony's web site. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Apr 21 05:51:13 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 06:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jag question Message-ID: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at the back? Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 21 06:04:43 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:04:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: <003001c7840d$3f904810$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Bill's description of the MV parts reminded me of the discussion I had yesterday with someone who works on my cars occasionally but mostly works on Alfas. The gist of it was that with British cars the whole is far greater than the sum of the parts, whereas with most Italian designs, that is usually true but the individual parts are often also beautiful examples of industrial design and craftsmanship in their own right. That is not something you would say about most of the castings or forgings on a British car. Of course, this characteristic of Italian cars is imbedded in the whole culture and has been for 1000s of years. Think of those marvelous, perfectly executed aqueducts that are still standing with a perfect pitch of inches over a mile. Not to diminish my charming British cars at all, as there are no Italian cars in my garage these days, but two Triumphs! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. > Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from > 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote > would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the > four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection > contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor > though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds-- > about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are > absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. > > An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium > alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking > because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate > slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Apr 20, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Yer killin me here.... >> >> hehe. >> >> Actually, titanium rods would be quite a performance/reliability >> enhancer for >> the TR2/3/4 cars, if prohibitively expensive. >> >> Imagine lowering the weight of your connecting rods by 33%. >> >> Terry Stetler >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: BillDentin at aol.com >> To: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; >> henry at henryfrye.com ; >> fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods >> >> >> In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:22:09 PM Central Daylight Time, >> 58tr3a at videotron.ca writes: >> >> Henry - Did it get rid of the limp ? >> >> NAW! He's still limp. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> mailman/li >> stinfo/fot> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markjwea at msn.com Sat Apr 21 06:16:57 2007 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:16:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Just in case anyone is tempted to make sparks....titanium can catch fire and is very dificult to put out. Not as bad as magnesium but still a big problem. Mark Weathers >From: Gasket Works USA >To: Keith Files , 'Jim >Cun' >CC: 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: [Fot] titanium >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:47:58 -0500 (CDT) > >Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks >when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low >suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the >suspension. > >m > >M.N.Dunst >Gasket Works USA, LLC >gmt-8 Pacific time >626.358.1616 voice >626.628.3777 fax >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Sat Apr 21 06:18:24 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:18:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jag question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2007 7:53:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: #1 at the front or #1 at the back? #1 at rear ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Apr 21 06:36:42 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:36:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: titanium rods References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <003201c78411$b7ae4370$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Be aware that the titanium rod doesn't contact the crank. High friction and wear! Cheers Chris From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 21 06:56:52 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:56:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: Uncle Jack wrote: >Carillos weigh about 680 grams per rod. Pauter, Cunningham, Saenz all weigh >in at about the same. There are domestic rods that can be converted for TR >use that weigh 650 grams per rod. For a TR6, my Carillos are 443g each, compared with stock rods at 698g each, and lightened stock about 600g each (includes ARP bolts). JE +0.047" are 290g each, compare with AE Hepolite +0.030" at 410g each (includes wrist pins and plugs). I wonder if the rotational mass of a TR4 motor could be greater than the 6? After all, the rubber TR6 crankshaft has to weigh less than Uncle Jack's flash new steel crank from Moldex. Shane Ingate, titanium free, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Apr 21 08:23:07 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:23:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful > parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't > mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly > with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium > valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. > What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 > pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are > absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. > > An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used > in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks > propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's > either good, or it's gone. > l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak link in the chain? Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Apr 21 08:47:28 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:47:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods References: Message-ID: Current Formula 1 V8s are turning 20,000 rpm for qualifying, and 19,000rpm during the race. Back when they were "only" turning 15,000 to 16,000 Ferrari's block service life was 1000km, at which point they were changed out. The culprit? Sonically induced microfracturing. Isn't technology grand? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: billb at bnj.com ; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs 413 pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look like jewelry. An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak link in the chain? Bill Dentinger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From emanteno at comcast.net Sat Apr 21 09:41:33 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:41:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods Message-ID: <042120071541.17234.462A30AD000D5A55000043522200758942970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Terry Stetler" > Isn't technology grand? Almost as grand as a limitless r & d budget. Irv From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Apr 21 10:09:07 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:09:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Jag question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2007 5:04:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Jack W. Drews" > Subject: [Fot] Jag question > To: fot at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147 at ns3.geneseo.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack I have no idea if Jaguar does it differently than Triumph, but Triumphs are always counted front to back. I thought that was the convention with in-line engines. Suffice to say that if they are counted back to front in the USA, then the British will almost certainly count front to back! Rgds Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 11:54:36 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:54:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A90E45-6872-4A55-90FF-24EF8C3E27B3@bnj.com> So the bizarre thing about the MV is that it's a street bike. The engine is expected to last more than 100,000 miles, and a few of the Brutales (naked bike version) are approaching that mileage without major mechanical failure. My Senna will not have more than 10,000 miles on the odo if I continue to own it. After 200 miles in the saddle I need help getting off the bike. The most fiendish ergonomics since the Iron Maiden. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Current Formula 1 V8s are turning 20,000 rpm for qualifying, and > 19,000rpm during the race. > > Back when they were "only" turning 15,000 to 16,000 Ferrari's block > service life was 1000km, at which point they were changed out. The > culprit? Sonically induced microfracturing. > > Isn't technology grand? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: billb at bnj.com ; tlizzard at msn.com > Cc: 58tr3a at videotron.ca ; henry at henryfrye.com ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] titanium rods > > In a message dated 04/21/2007 1:38:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> My MV Agusta Senna has titanium rods, piston pins and crank pin. >> Beautiful parts. The motor revs to 13,500 RPM and makes 142 HP >> from 750 cc. I wouldn't mind that kind of performance in my TR3, >> Peyote would be darned sprightly with 400+ horsepower, though I >> suspect the four radially displaced titanium valves and the fuel >> injection contribute more to the performance than the rods. What a >> motor though. I can pick it up by myself. The whole bike weighs >> 413 pounds--about the same as a TR3 motor. The valve springs and >> retainers are absolutely gorgeous. Most of the bits inside look >> like jewelry. >> >> An interesting side note, an engineer told me that the titanium >> alloys used in motorsports don't lend themselves to crack checking >> because most cracks propagate beneath the surface and don't >> propagate slowly like steel can. It's either good, or it's gone. > > > l3,500 rpms...at what point does our block become the next weak > link in the chain? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 12:01:16 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:01:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jag question In-Reply-To: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: Jags are numbered back to front. Whacky buggers--what were they thinking. Drove me crazy on a 420 I tried to restore (wound up selling it as a parts car). In fact the biggest problem the car turned out to have was a cracked crank caused by the engine builder putting the bearing caps on in reverse order. Turned out that the simple fool put the #1 cap in the front. I would have done exactly the same. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 4:51 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at > the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 21 12:01:58 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:01:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jag question In-Reply-To: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200704211153.l3LBrX8Y336147@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <93ACA684-D409-4F17-8F85-DCED6EACE06B@bnj.com> Oh, and by the way--RUN. He couldn't be that good a friend. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 21, 2007, at 4:51 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > I've been asked to help a friend with his XKE. I know that some Brit > cars number the cylinders from back to front - does anybody on this > list know how Jag numbers the cylinders -- #1 at the front or #1 at > the back? > > Thanks > > uncle jack > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Apr 21 19:14:31 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:14:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] titanium References: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006b01c7847b$94fc3930$6401a8c0@TER2> Porsche 911 style, (935) rods used to cost $1,000. 00 each 15 years ago! Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works USA" To: "Keith Files" ; "'Jim Cun'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [Fot] titanium > Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white sparks > when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my cars' low > suspension points ... that way he could see the action and tune the > suspension. > > m > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Apr 21 23:29:23 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:29:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] time Message-ID: Did you know that at three minutes and four seconds after 2 AM on the 6th of May this year, the time and date will be 02:03:04 05/06/07. This will never happen again. Now you know everything. And for the rest of the world, outside of the USA, they get to do that on 5th June! Regards Lion From triumph_marx at freenet.de Sun Apr 22 16:01:52 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:01:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] test References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Apr 22 18:40:31 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:40:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. Message-ID: Well... I finally got my street TR3 out this weekend. She languished most of last year with a battery problem, an Optima no less, so I called the shop where I purchased it and they swapped it for a new one, very cool. Popped it in on Saturday and took an exploritory first drive. All was good. So.. This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) What a sweet car the TR3 is. A real car. One you have to drive, not just operate. Everything from the concise instruments to the delicate drift of the tail through a sweeper, to the intake bark of the Weber carbs brings you back to what driving is all about. Only a motorcycle is a more visceral experience than this. I come up on a rubber bumper MGB (why on earth did they keep making those things?) that is taking it's good time, I casaually move the fingers of my left hand to the OD switch, drop down to normal and let 2185cc's do the talking. The hapless MG becomes a spec in my mirrors. And so it went for just over 100 miles. Life is good. Terry Stetler From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 22 20:01:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:01:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst possible time to change email addresses--when Mark was being nibbled to death by ducks. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, wrote: > More than one month off list. > > Anyone who can read this? > Used my old address maybe the old one is better? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 22 20:10:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:10:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds great Terry, I need to build myself a street TR3. Lord knows I don't have to buy a thing to put one together--maybe two. I took Peyote out this afternoon. A similar situation though it was only about 100 yards. I needed some space in the shop to clean out all the crap. So I backed Peyote down the gravel drive (not easy in a car that has too little ground clearance to drive over a 5/8ths socket) to my steep, moss covered driveway, got the nose pointed upwards and gave it the gas. It didn't move. The rear tires were just spinning, so I lifted a little and it drifted right. Gave it a little poke and it drifted left. back and forth a few times until the tires warmed up and the moss got scrubbed off, and I zoomed to the top of the driveway, turned the wheel right with no effect whatsoever on the nose, lifted a little and the car turned in, gave it some poop and the back end swung out, the car squirted into into the driveway. I stopped, got out, and thought--Man, that's Peyote in a nutshell. Nothing works the way it should, but everything WORKS. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Well... > > I finally got my street TR3 out this weekend. She languished most > of last > year with a battery problem, an Optima no less, so I called the > shop where I > purchased it and they swapped it for a new one, very cool. Popped > it in on > Saturday and took an exploritory first drive. All was good. > > So.. > > This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my > habitual Sunday > breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American > breakfast, I set > out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. > A beautiful > twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded > off by my > inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put > the top up.) > > What a sweet car the TR3 is. A real car. One you have to drive, > not just > operate. Everything from the concise instruments to the delicate > drift of the > tail through a sweeper, to the intake bark of the Weber carbs > brings you back > to what driving is all about. Only a motorcycle is a more visceral > experience > than this. > > I come up on a rubber bumper MGB (why on earth did they keep making > those > things?) that is taking it's good time, I casaually move the > fingers of my > left hand to the OD switch, drop down to normal and let 2185cc's do > the > talking. The hapless MG becomes a spec in my mirrors. > > And so it went for just over 100 miles. > > Life is good. > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 22 23:19:10 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:19:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> References: <46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com> <003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <462C41CE.8010006@bradakis.com> Bill Babcock wrote: >I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst >possible time to change email addresses--when Mark was being nibbled >to death by ducks > > Actually he's still on the list, email is still getting sent to him. He just doesn't want to accept it: : host mx.freenet.de[194.97.50.144] said: 550 Submission from dynamic IP requires authentication (in reply to RCPT TO command) Why the folks at freenet think I'm using dynamic IPs is anybody's guess. mjb. From budscars at msn.com Tue Apr 17 19:43:46 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:43:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event Message-ID: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> Hello Gang....Are any of you racing in the SCCA vintage at Laguna Seca this weekend?......As of 4/16 entry list..TRIUMPHS.. it's Joe Siam and Racer Bud(Me) in Spitfires...Gary Horskorta in a TR4...Charles Turvey in a GT-6..Scott Adair in a TR250..Frank Emmet in a TR-8.......MG's..Ed Lamantia in a 1962 MGA...Scott Brown in an MGA...Tim Arnett in a Datsun 2000 Factory Special..Randy Arborgast in a Mini Cooper... This looks like a Great event...with Victory Lane Mag. and SCCA hosting a dinner and welcome banquet on Sat Night(welcome banquet was originaly set for Friday night)......The OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Banner Will Be Flying...at... LAGUNA SECA .....Go Baby Go! Hope to see you There Gang Racer Bud From trmarty at glwb.net Tue Apr 17 20:24:43 2007 From: trmarty at glwb.net (Martin Sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Autocross at Road America May 19th Message-ID: 610d8977b44a290f3ba50a8296720510 Ok, folks young and old one and all. Here is the scoop for the Autocross taking place at Road America May 19th in conjunction with the MOTRAH 007 Vintage Race event. It is open to all Morgan, Triumph, and Austin Healey vehicles from bone stock to full race. You will run with similar prepared cars. It should be a blast so if you want to participate get your registration in because there are a limited number of slots available. See you there, Marty Sukey MOTRAH Autocross Registration Plans are being finalized for the MOTRAH Autocross on Saturday, May 19th. We are now ready to begin accepting registrations from Morgan, Triumph and Austin Healey drivers for this event. The Autocross will be run from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm on the Briggs and Stratton Motorplex at Road America and is being organized by the members of Windy City Morgan Owners Group, Chicago's Morgan club. Due to time and capacity constraints, it may be necessary to limit the number of entries so it is important that you register now to guarantee a spot. From now until May 6, 2007, an early registration period will be held. During this period, the first 25 registrations for each marque (total of 75) will be guaranteed a place in the Autocross. Beginning May7, 2007 and continuing through May 18, 2007, registration will be on a first come basis regardless of marque until all available Autocross spots are filled. In order to register, e-mail or telephone Steve Balsamo at Windy City MOG [ HYPERLINK "mailto:sdbalsamo at aol.com"sdbalsamo at aol.com, (847) 242-0717 ] stating name, address and type of car. This notification will hold your place in the event. You will then be sent a registration package including Rules, class structure and a registration form. This should be completed and returned to Steve at P.O. Box 210, Glencoe, Illinois 60022. There is no entry fee for the event. If you have a Healey, Triumph or Morgan you are welcome as our guest. Prizes and operating costs are being covered by Windy City MOG. If you have any questions regarding the Autocross, please feel free to contact Steve Balsamo as outlined above. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 4/17/2007 4:43 AM From BillB at bnj.com Tue Apr 17 22:53:43 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:53:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] scca vintage event In-Reply-To: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> References: <003301c7815b$0e274490$9d8cb304@Bud> Message-ID: Unfortunately no--I just got back from Maui and need to get ready to start the four month long All Aluminum Tour. But there's lots of good friends going. I think Cameron Healy will be there with his Pooper, of perhaps the new 908 he just bought. I'd love to see that run. I know Mark Powell is going and Jack Healy is bringing his new BMW. Have fun guys. See you in seattle at the Spring Fling. First Northwest Outing for Nero, my truly weird trailer. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 17, 2007, at 3:43 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hello Gang....Are any of you racing in the SCCA vintage at Laguna > Seca this weekend?......As of 4/16 entry list..TRIUMPHS.. it's Joe > Siam and Racer Bud(Me) in Spitfires...Gary Horskorta in a > TR4...Charles Turvey in a GT-6..Scott Adair in a TR250..Frank Emmet > in a TR-8.......MG's..Ed Lamantia in a 1962 MGA...Scott Brown in an > MGA...Tim Arnett in a Datsun 2000 Factory Special..Randy Arborgast > in a Mini Cooper... > > This looks like a Great event...with Victory Lane Mag. and SCCA > hosting a dinner and welcome banquet on Sat Night(welcome banquet > was originaly set for Friday night)......The OLD GUYS STILL DUMB > ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Banner Will Be Flying...at... LAGUNA > SECA .....Go Baby Go! > > Hope to see you There Gang > Racer Bud From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 23 00:20:44 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:20:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` Message-ID: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. Thanks, mjb. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 23 01:40:51 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` In-Reply-To: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> References: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I've got a set of those myself that I took off a Toyota 2TG motor and ran for quite a while on my cheater TR3. Pain in the ass to tune, as I recall the air corrector jets are backwards to Weber practice of leaning the mix as the number goes higher. Also of course you can't borrow anything from fellow racers--weber parts don't fit. As I recall I got all the bits from Mikuni USA, but I finally gave up on the carbs as too much hassle. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 22, 2007, at 11:20 PM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: > We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber > DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? > I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From john at race-dogs.com Mon Apr 23 01:01:29 2007 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:01:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` References: <462C503C.9030505@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000e01c78575$37f7c100$1f01a8c0@jawsxp> Wolfcreek racing in the east- Rebello Racing ion the west- They have all the Mikuni stuff- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Mikuni jets?` > We've got a fellow here in Salt Lake with a Mikuni clone of a Weber > DCOE on his MGB. Anyone have a good source of jets for these carbs? > I've got a zillion Weber bits, some Dellorto, but nothing for Mikunis. > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 23 01:05:26 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:05:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] This is better Message-ID: <462C5AB6.5020505@bradakis.com> So just like last sunday, I'm sitting at the computer for way too long. But this time it is because things are working, not like last sunday when I was beating my head against a virtual wall, cursing Qwest and the horse they rode in on, etc. Over 100 hours without a network was starting to get to me. That network outage came at ironic time, April 11th, actually 1 am on the 12th to be more precise. Those of you who have been around for a while might remember that April 11th is the day that Team.Net became a registered domain back in 1991. So this was Team.Net's 16th birthday. And I was getting ready to send out a message to folks about the annual fund drive. I would have felt pretty bad if I had sent the message, and then gotten booted off the air - "Send me money for something that doesn't work" It is nice to have things working again, and I'll manage to get the donation drive underway in a day or two. Good thing, because it is starting to sound like I'm losing a bearing in one of the hard drives on the main server, time for some upgrades. But for now, I think I have all the FOT admin tasks done that required my attention. Maybe I can get some Triumph work done this week! mjb. http://fatchancegarage.com From triumph_marx at freenet.de Mon Apr 23 03:48:05 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:48:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] test References: <171017.13850.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c7858c$7e5dca60$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> So I can get through but cannot read. How do we fix that misfunction that I only can send but don't receive FOT mails? Any idea? Come on...you flew several times to the moon....can't be that difficult. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Diehl To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test Gotcha!! triumph_marx at freenet.de wrote: More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Ed Diehl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 23 06:13:53 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:13:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:40:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) Did you take a side trip up Tontoganny Rd. ? Jack Woehrle (grew up iin Maumee) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 23 07:37:44 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] titanium In-Reply-To: <3025464.6349001177105679152.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Gasket Works USA wrote: > Not that I know much of this subject but, they do make cool white > sparks when abraded My son tells me that I should put titanium on my > cars' low suspension points ... that way he could see the action and > tune the suspension. The F1 guys usedto do this. Or was it tungsten... oh well, it was one of those "t" metals. But they made wicked kool sparks when the tub bottomed. > m rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From triumph_marx at freenet.de Mon Apr 23 08:14:57 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:14:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: test Message-ID: <003301c785b1$c6b78510$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Hi Bill, If this is true then I have to excuse myself. Changed the SPam filter for keeping the mails 10 days. FOT mails should catch there. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Cc: Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] test In a message you probably couldn't read Mark said it's your service provider bouncing the email for some reason. Unfortunately I deleted the message. Maybe Mark can tell you directly, or this message might be bounced too. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:48 AM, wrote: So I can get through but cannot read. How do we fix that misfunction that I only can send but don't receive FOT mails? Any idea? Come on...you flew several times to the moon....can't be that difficult. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Diehl To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test Gotcha!! triumph_marx at freenet.de wrote: More than one month off list. Anyone who can read this? Used my old address maybe the old one is better? Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Ed Diehl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Apr 23 09:29:54 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:29:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch/Carbs Message-ID: <002401c785bc$3e050250$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello All: Completed a good weekend at Laguna Seca with the SCCA Spring Vintage Classic. 175 entries of all types, not your traditional vintage classes but lots of interesting cars. Our small bore group of thirty seven cars included about one third Mini-Coopers then a bunch of Porsche 356s and 911s, couple of Datsuns, couple of Spitfires, a TR250, my TR4 along with some MGAs. A very trick Mini-Cooper won the race...geez was he fast...lapped about half the field in twenty-three minute race. Questions: I have a stock clutch slave cylinder and a Wilwood clutch reservoir. After bleeding the system at the end of the day, I checked it the next morning and the fluid was a dark gray. It had been clear after bleeding the system and there was no leakage plus the system worked fine during the subsequent race. Any ideas on what could be coloring the fluid? Anyone know of a good supplier of SU needles? My car is running a bit lean at the top end as indicated by a light tan colored exhaust pipe. The color is proper gray at lower to mid range RPMs. I believe I need a needle that has a narrower taper on the bottom portion. Currently running Moss Motors RH needle (374-220) which is supposedly their rich version. I'm running stock carbs, mid-range cam, 11.5 to 1 compression. Thanks Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Apr 23 10:34:16 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:34:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. References: Message-ID: Yes I did Jack, but it's become so developed out there now that you really cannot drive "con brio" anymore. Still fun though. I repeated much of the ride later in the day on my '04 Triumph Bonneville. A "Triumphant" day all 'round. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: tlizzard at msn.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] First TR3 drive of the season. In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:40:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: This morning I awoke early and drove the TR3 12 miles to my habitual Sunday breakfast spot. After an old fashioned way too big American breakfast, I set out from Perrysburg Ohio along the Maumee River to Defiance Ohio. A beautiful twisty drive on state and county roads. the morning chill warded off by my inordinate caloric intake and my A2 flight jacket. ( I never put the top up.) Did you take a side trip up Tontoganny Rd. ? Jack Woehrle (grew up iin Maumee) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See what's free at AOL.com. From LOddTR at aol.com Mon Apr 23 17:55:50 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:55:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] To Mordy Dunst Message-ID: I am interested in replacing my windscreen on the TR250 vintage racer. I like the one that is on your car as shown on the FOT TR4 picture page. Can you direct me to the supplier? Leo Oddi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 24 10:57:45 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motrah Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208E24BB5@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I just licked the envelope on my registration for Motrah. I wasn't sure if I would be able to make it but I guess I'm committed (based on the refund policy). At this point I am looking for hotel recommendations. I'll need beds for 3 guys so I'm thinking there must be a Suite type place with 2 doubles and a couch/bed. Any suggestions appreciated. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 24 11:32:33 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:32:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Motrah Message-ID: Osthoff has two bedroom suites and living room with fireplace....kitchen & two baths. Ask for the 'weekend retreat' special. you have to ask. includes $25 daily food & drink voucher. SVRA has it's banquet there, too, and it is close to the track. > I just licked the envelope on my registration for Motrah. I wasn't sure > if I would be able to make it but I guess I'm committed (based on the > refund policy). At this point I am looking for hotel recommendations. > I'll need beds for 3 guys so I'm thinking there must be a Suite type > place with 2 doubles and a couch/bed. Any suggestions appreciated. > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > _______________________________________________ From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Apr 25 09:42:11 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:42:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transportation available Message-ID: <20070425154049.5F62F187A5F@autox.team.net> A friend of mine is doing some truck hauling in the next couple of weeks and I thought some FOT members might be able to use some space on his vehicles. The first trip will be made with just a big pickup truck. He willl depart Albuquerque, NM on April 29 and go to Dallas to arrive on the 30th. From there he will to to Austin on aprox the 1st of May then Abilene, Tx on May 2 then back to Abq. His next trip will depart Abq. on May 6th, again with only a big pickup truck to Phoenix on May 7 then on to Los Angeles to arrive on the 9th. There he is picking up a 30 ft gooseneck trailer going back to Abq. via Flagstaff. The trailer will have aprox 6 ft of space available on it. He should arrive back in Abq on aprox the 11th or 12th. The driver's name is Bob Porter and his cell phone number is 1 505 400 2607. Thought this might be of use to someone. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Apr 25 18:25:43 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:25:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction Message-ID: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> Just saw this on the CVAR groups list: "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you." LOL! Susan :) -- ***** Oh, I would just *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize! ***** From billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 25 17:52:15 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction In-Reply-To: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> References: <462FF187.3040904@141.com> Message-ID: <4B7B4C80-5647-40EF-B846-D48B859682BA@bnj.com> I've seen that before but it's still funny. If you're looking for some humor take a look at the Washington Post blog that Sheryl Crow and Larry David's wife are doing on their BioDiesel Bus Tour to fight Global Warming. As if the concept wasn't funny enough, the posts from Sheryl and whatever her name is are extraordinarily funny. I presume that's the intention (though I'm having a hard time understanding the purpose). I hope that's the intention, I'd hate to think anyone that talented (Sheryl Crow) could be so stupid http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/ 2007/04/21/AR2007042101385_pf.html though after seeing them transform Carl Rove from archvillian into a sympathetic figure I've got to wonder. I'm going to dedicate the All Aluminum Tour to fighting global warming as well. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to do it, but I'll think of something. Right now I'm considering single ply bathroom tissue. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 25, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Just saw this on the CVAR groups list: > > "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and > oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. > Horsepower > is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with > you." > > LOL! > > Susan :) > > -- > ***** Oh, I would just *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize! ***** > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 19:40:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:40:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oversteer vs. understeer: The distinction Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/2007 6:23:22 PM Central Daylight Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: > "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and > oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower > is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with > you." > > LOL! > We saw Max Papis exhibit all four characteristics at Road America. (It took a Gehl to move the wall back in place) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 19:42:19 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:42:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming & The All Alloy Tour Message-ID: > I'm going to dedicate the All Aluminum Tour to fighting global > warming as well. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to do it, but I'll > think of something. Right now I'm considering single ply bathroom > tissue. > > Single Ply Charmin & Beano From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 25 20:00:23 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:00:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America Message-ID: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH! "A.R.E." is pleased to announce the sponsorship of a very fine Chronograph Watch at MOTRAH 007 to be presented at Road America. Criteria for recognition will BE much like the 'Kastner Cup', with an emphasis on Performance, Presentation of the TR, and the Passion of the Piloto. It looks like we are going to have an assemblage of TR Competition Cars that has not been seen in recent history. Far flung and fast TRs...from all corners of the US and at least a couple of drivers from the UK. The clock is ticking down. Regards...... From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 16:13:26 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest of you folks belong to handling this situation? Thanks, Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 26 16:31:07 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:31:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/2007 5:14:51 PM Central Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Everyone should have a driver's license and proof of their own insurance. If you are autocrossing, you might stop doing that without insurance From Herald948 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 16:47:10 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:47:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/2007 6:32:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? By all means, incorporate, get insurance if the club can afford it, and -- if possible -- take advantage of any attorneys who also happen to be members or friends of members! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Thu Apr 26 16:56:15 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:56:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > How are the car > clubs that the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? For drives held on public roads, we've been basically ignoring the risk. The club itself has no assets (well, not enough to be worth pursuing in court anyway) and the risk to individuals within the club would appear to be minimal. We emphasize that participants should obey all applicable laws and exercise their own judgment. For events not held on public roads, we obtain event insurance through VTR. At least here in CA, the venues require this anyway. I'm no lawyer, nor do I play one on television. But some of our club members are lawyers, and they seem to feel this approach is reasonable. Of course, now that I think about it, the lawyers rarely organize events ... maybe there's something they're not telling us ? Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From 356drb at indy.net Thu Apr 26 18:20:08 2007 From: 356drb at indy.net (Brett Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:20:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0894FBF0-B63C-4485-A93C-0AB0E4C449F3@indy.net> Our non-denominational British car club buys a million dollar liability policy each year for around $600. We were concerned that VTR or Austin Healey club policies would not cover us since only a portion of the organizing group is with one of those clubs. Our policy limits us to non-timed events, such as shows, tours and gimmick rallys. Should any of us want to do an autocross or TSD rally, we would likely "hire" our local SCCA region to put one on -- we've never felt the need, though. Our group has no official formal structure. Our member attorneys felt that the insurance would sufficiently shield the organizing committee. Brett Johnson Indianapolis On Apr 26, 2007, at 6:13 PM, marty sukey wrote: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non > marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 > members. There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle > liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or > other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody > could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the > risk and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings > but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that > the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp? > sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Apr 26 18:10:02 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:10:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question Message-ID: <20070426.181003.-309099.20.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Marty, In some states, Incorporation gives some protections. Our litigious society causes great paranoia among many people. I've spoken to lawyers who insist clubs must have insurance for everything. Extra for each board member, riders on top of the policy for any moving event. Another lawyer who says if you are getting members together for social reasons, no insurance is needed. For a moving event, basic liability is enough. Individual board member coverage is a waste of club funds. Affiliates of a national club may get insurance through that affiliation. Sometimes, it can offer a local club low cost access to riders to cover their moving events, such as an autocross, track day, rallye, or the like. Check your state laws to see if Incorporation helps you out enough. There are some good companies..out there offering products to cover club liability at a reasonable cost for a years coverage. Bill On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:13:26 -0500 "marty sukey" writes: > One of the car clubs i belong to is a small british car club, non > marquee > specific. We insult all British cars equally. Only about 50 members. > There > has been quite a dialog going on about how the club should handle > liability > issues should somebody get injured on a club sponsored drive or > other event. > With all the wackos out there it is quite possible that somebody > could walk > away with everything we own if they find the right attorney. Should > we > incorporate? Get lots of insurance? Both? Say its not worth the risk > and > just disband the club? There is a lot of discussion at our meetings > but not > much knowledge of the right thing to do. How are the car clubs that > the rest > of you folks belong to handling this situation? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14 888 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Thu Apr 26 18:59:19 2007 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car Club Question In-Reply-To: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> References: <034601c78856$18034160$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <000601c78867$4a7180b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Randall, I would believe that the board members of the club would be liable, especially given that the club has no assets, but then again, I'm not an attorney. I an Engineer who advises a room full of attorneys on technical issues. Jack For drives held on public roads, we've been basically ignoring the risk. The club itself has no assets (well, not enough to be worth pursuing in court anyway) and the risk to individuals within the club would appear to be minimal. We emphasize that participants should obey all applicable laws and exercise their own judgment. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 20:02:12 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:02:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America Message-ID: Sounds neat but you are going to have to think of a catchy name for this award but its going to be tough to top the FATBASTARD award but I know you can do it Joe. Marty >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >To: fot at autox.team.net >CC: Jensen87 at aol.com >Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 A Triumph Recognition @ Road America >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:00:23 EDT > >FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH! > >"A.R.E." is pleased to announce the sponsorship of a very fine Chronograph >Watch at MOTRAH 007 to be presented at Road America. > >Criteria for recognition will BE much like the 'Kastner Cup', with an >emphasis on Performance, Presentation of the TR, and the Passion of the >Piloto. > >It looks like we are going to have an assemblage of TR Competition Cars >that >has not been seen in recent history. Far flung and fast TRs...from all >corners of the US and at least a couple of drivers from the UK. > >The clock is ticking down. > >Regards...... >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 29 04:32:32 2007 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:32:32 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor Message-ID: Dear Listers, Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - a) Initial timing used b) Total mechanical advance used c) What RPM total advance is achieved Thank you for your assistance. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _____________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Apr 29 08:10:42 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:10:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F871@server.Triumph.local> Right, wrong, or indifferent, here's my thoughts and what I run. Once you have the motor on cam and in the powerband, it wants to see total advance. The only reason we have the advance mechanism is because we need to retard the spark for starting. So... Initial timing = less . I set the Mallory's total advance to 10 degrees because the 24 that's built into it made it very difficult to start hot. I did not buy the fancy adjustable base plate, I simply bent the tang in the Mallory that limits how far the points plate can travel. I set it to 10 degrees, it worked, and I have not messed with it since. Is 10 degrees the optimal setting? No clue. As to what RPM total advance is achieved, I set mine to hit full advance WELL before I get into the on-track useable powerband. YMMV. Obviously, this applies to my track-only racecar. On street-going cars this approach probably would not work so well. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Vucinic > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor > (Mechanical > Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - > > a) Initial timing used > > b) Total mechanical advance used > > c) What RPM total advance is achieved From PegAndBobM at aol.com Sun Apr 29 09:40:58 2007 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:40:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a front hub. The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to turn 5 at La Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need a source for competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition rotors) and at least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't know what else may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I came down on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the front the fender off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, so may need a left door skin also. Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted directly at (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) Thanks Bob Miller ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Fubog1 at aol.com Sun Apr 29 09:55:42 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:55:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2007 11:41:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PegAndBobM at aol.com writes: Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a front hub. The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to turn 5 at La Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need a source for competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition rotors) and at least a good front fender. My sincere condolences. Glad the damage wasn't worse. Sorry I can't help with parts but I'm sure that others on the list will be able to help. I'll also apologize in advance but I have to ask the obvious question.... Did you flat-spot the brake rotor...? Glen (with tongue in cheek) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 29 11:39:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <830F5508-3330-4040-99F6-DB8CA686D48D@bnj.com> Bob, I put dibs on a two sets of southwick hubs that were left over and then completely forgot about them until now. I actually still want both, but if you like you can have one set. Hey Jack, are those still available or has my atrocious memory screwed me once more? Where are you located? I need to take stock, but I suspect I might have a slightly nasty left front fender I don't need. I've also got a pile of stock rotors. I'm in Portland, OR and I'm leaving on my long, long tour in a week and a half, so time would be of the essence. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:40 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a > front hub. > The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to > turn 5 at La > Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need > a source for > competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition > rotors) and at > least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't > know what else > may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I > came down > on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the > front the fender > off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, > so may need > a left door skin also. > Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted > directly at > (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ > (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) > Thanks > Bob Miller > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sun Apr 29 13:02:50 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:02:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Learning new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just did a Driving 101: Learning New Tracks article on my blog that some of you might find useful www.allaluminumtour.com Any comments, corrections and opinions are welcome. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:40 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Well can't say I had not been warned, but last week I broke a > front hub. > The front left wheel, still bolted to the hub plate beat me to > turn 5 at La > Junta. Come to think I never made it to turn 5. Anyways...I need > a source for > competition hubs for a TR3 A, a rotor(or set of competition > rotors) and at > least a good front fender. I have not unloaded it yet so don't > know what else > may be broke, but a quick inspection at the track looked like I > came down > on the rotor and rode it to the a stop. The wheel ripped the > front the fender > off at the rear and a lot of black rubber is on the driver door, > so may need > a left door skin also. > Would appreciate any assistance and advice. I can be contacted > directly at > (303) 841-7418, or email _pegandbobm at aol.com_ > (mailto:pegandbobm at aol.com) > Thanks > Bob Miller > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From EDENMA at aol.com Sun Apr 29 13:22:32 2007 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:22:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ouch, That Hurts...Need hubs Message-ID: Bob: Please tell me that was not your immaculate, beautiful, historic TR3? I have some stock TR4 hubs and rotors that I would be happy to lend you until you can source some replacements. Even cooler than that they are right here in Evergreen! I would suggest the Southwick hubs if you can get them. My TR4 had all the Southwick hubs and axles when I bought it. I do not have any TR3 fenders however I know Paul has some nice ones down at Sports Car Craftsmen as they were part of the stuff we sold him when we liquidated Jim Rickel's shop. Give me a ring at home or on the cell: 303-912-4596(c) 303-674-0579(h) Cheers! Mark 64 SCCA GP Spit 62 TR4 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Apr 29 17:38:42 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:38:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability Message-ID: <200704292338.l3TNcorI348319@ns3.geneseo.net> The Southwick aluminum hubs are specifically designed to prevent breakage. Therefore they are not particularly lighter than the stock ones but they are hell for stout. They have larger bearings which still fit the stock spindles and the bearings last much longer because of their size and because the aluminum hubs conduct the brake heat away from them faster. The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. You can see this setup at www.tonydrews.com click on "jack's parts" There are none available right now except for the two spare sets that Bill Babcock wanted, and I purchased them for him and have them in storage at my shop. I'll ship them to whomever Bill wants me to. Here's the problem: Southwick is not a mail order parts supply house. He is a machine shop. To make a run, he must purchase a complete bar of 6" diameter 6061 T1 aluminum, which makes 25 pairs of hubs. For him to make a run, he has a cash outlay of over $10,000. Therefore unless he has orders in hand for at least half that number, he does not make them. He is a small machine shop and cannot carry this kind of inventory. My only role in this thing is that I do the customer contact work for Southwick, through this FOT list. I receive no compensation. I just do it for the good of the sport. Several times in the last two years I have surveyed the FOT list and asked how many folks want these. Each time I have gotten a response of perhaps five definite customers and perhaps five "maybe's". This is a very meager response - not enough to warrant a run. So here's the offer: If those folks on the list who will commit to purchasing one set of hubs will email me, if I get 12 firm requests I will go to Southie and do my best to negotiate a run. Fair? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Apr 30 05:58:32 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:58:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. I can attest to the cost of the bearings. Last week I was going to order a set (of bearings) for stock, until I was quoted ~$250 for an axle set (Timken). The inner bearing & race is big $$. Of course if they have good service life they're worth it. Glen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 30 10:55:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:55:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's getting crazy expensive for some things, way beyond any general inflation. Racing brake pads have gone from 75 bucks to 300. Ball and roller bearings are astronomical. Used to be that I'd take my bearings to the local bearing supply house and get way better bearings for half or less of the money than "official" parts. Now they're the same price (still worth doing though because the quality is better). Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:58 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: > > The last time I talked with Soutwick > about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 > range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason > unknown. > > > I can attest to the cost of the bearings. Last week I was going to > order a > set (of bearings) for stock, until I was quoted ~$250 for an axle > set (Timken). > The inner bearing & race is big $$. > Of course if they have good service life they're worth it. > Glen > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From scypher at usa.com Mon Apr 30 12:15:14 2007 From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:15:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch and Spitfire Gearbox Message-ID: Can any of the experts comment on installing a tilton pressure plate with a stock gearbox/bellhousing? I'll be installing the motor and trans this weekend, and won't want to pull it back out because I need a spacer or shim somewhere. Thanks -Scott From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 30 15:18:14 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:18:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: Amici, I recall a discussion a few years back where Kas expounded on the value and importance of the "Dongle" on the mid year transmissions. I don't recall the details but do recall it was important to stop the cases from cracking. I've recently been given a trans (thoroughly rusted) with a complete dongle system with all the strap steel mounts and such. Does anyone have a street car that needs this harmonic dampener? I could toss it like all the others over the years but it may be the detail someone needs for their cruiser. Anybody wants it, all I ask is the shipping cost... Steve Smith ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 30 15:23:13 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208F30D47@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Send it to TRF so they can make copies. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Amici, I recall a discussion a few years back where Kas expounded on the value and importance of the "Dongle" on the mid year transmissions. I don't recall the details but do recall it was important to stop the cases from cracking. I've recently been given a trans (thoroughly rusted) with a complete dongle system with all the strap steel mounts and such. Does anyone have a street car that needs this harmonic dampener? I could toss it like all the others over the years but it may be the detail someone needs for their cruiser. Anybody wants it, all I ask is the shipping cost... Steve Smith ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 30 15:27:08 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:27:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: I'd be happy to but do you think they'd be intersted? How many enthusiasts would buy such a thing without the full understanding of it's purpose? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 30 15:35:12 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:35:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188208F30D76@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I don't know. If the piece eliminates vibration you'd think the public would want it but you are probably correct. The market size may not be large enough to justify making the part. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:27 PM To: Kramer, Robert; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home I'd be happy to but do you think they'd be intersted? How many enthusiasts would buy such a thing without the full understanding of it's purpose? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 30 16:05:12 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:05:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] The TR4 Dongle, free to good home Message-ID: I wonder how many Dongles I have had over the years, and thrown away. I didnt even know they were called Dongles. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 30 16:27:01 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:27:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] FoT T-Shirts New Run? Message-ID: There have been some inquiries on FoT T-shirts recently. These have been a good value and widely recognized. Ted has provided a good quality shirt. We might be able to convince someone to coordinate the orders. Makes sense to me. Show of e-hands? Joe From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Apr 30 16:50:34 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor References: Message-ID: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign switch thrown to the on position. Anybody ever try that? Henry's getting pretty close!! art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > Dear Listers, > > Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical > Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: - > > a) Initial timing used > > b) Total mechanical advance used > > c) What RPM total advance is achieved > > > > Thank you for your assistance. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > > _____________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 > 9:14 AM From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 30 17:58:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:58:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <51F50CDF-1360-4CFD-B697-C29C6959DC1E@bnj.com> I do it whenever I forget to shut off my accusump. If it's been a very long time or it's a fresh rebuild I pull the dizzy and spin the pump to fill and pressurize the accusump and get oil everywhere in the engine. Then I crank it with the ignition off until the engine is spinning nicely and flip on the ignition. I don't do it because my advance is locked--I use a little, about ten degrees. But I use pretty soft springs. Smokey built a lot of cars that ran in a narrow band of RPMs. I bet there's some torque to be gained with a properly set up advance, but I don't have a dyno or easy access to one, so I don't have a clue what that might be. Seat of the pants won't work. It's probably way less than ten percent. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:50 PM, riverside wrote: > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that > dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting > was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned > off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign > switch thrown to the on position. > Anybody ever try that? > Henry's getting pretty close!! > > art de armond > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor >> (Mechanical >> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start >> with: - >> >> a) Initial timing used >> >> b) Total mechanical advance used >> >> c) What RPM total advance is achieved >> >> >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: >> 4/30/2007 >> 9:14 AM > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Apr 30 19:58:56 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability In-Reply-To: <200704292338.l3TNcorI348319@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <000001c78b94$476d6200$2b24b348@blake1> Jack, Consider me committed, to the hubs that is. 1 pair. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack W. Drews Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] aluminum front hub availability The Southwick aluminum hubs are specifically designed to prevent breakage. Therefore they are not particularly lighter than the stock ones but they are hell for stout. They have larger bearings which still fit the stock spindles and the bearings last much longer because of their size and because the aluminum hubs conduct the brake heat away from them faster. The last time I talked with Soutwick about them, the price was going to increase to somewhere in the $550 range because of the skyrocketing price of the bearings - reason unknown. You can see this setup at www.tonydrews.com click on "jack's parts" There are none available right now except for the two spare sets that Bill Babcock wanted, and I purchased them for him and have them in storage at my shop. I'll ship them to whomever Bill wants me to. Here's the problem: Southwick is not a mail order parts supply house. He is a machine shop. To make a run, he must purchase a complete bar of 6" diameter 6061 T1 aluminum, which makes 25 pairs of hubs. For him to make a run, he has a cash outlay of over $10,000. Therefore unless he has orders in hand for at least half that number, he does not make them. He is a small machine shop and cannot carry this kind of inventory. My only role in this thing is that I do the customer contact work for Southwick, through this FOT list. I receive no compensation. I just do it for the good of the sport. Several times in the last two years I have surveyed the FOT list and asked how many folks want these. Each time I have gotten a response of perhaps five definite customers and perhaps five "maybe's". This is a very meager response - not enough to warrant a run. So here's the offer: If those folks on the list who will commit to purchasing one set of hubs will email me, if I get 12 firm requests I will go to Southie and do my best to negotiate a run. Fair? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Apr 30 19:50:36 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:50:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F876@server.Triumph.local> I did try that. Couldn't get the engine to start when I set it to my desired advance. I sort of remembering getting it running, setting to 30, locking the dizzy down, having the engine go off cam and stall. Then it would not re-fire. Those high torque starters are really great for spinning over hot, high compression engines, but with the gear reduction they do not spin them particularly fast. That doesn't help. > -----Original Message----- > From: Art DeArmond > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that dizzy be locked > (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. > Anybody ever try that? From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Apr 30 19:53:25 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 35 dollars nolbc Message-ID: <000601c78b93$81b9f690$6401a8c0@alex> http://youtube.com/watch?v=p0JWgwTB8jA This may work well for Auto X . I could not pass by Tony Hawks helmet cam for short $$ at Toys R us on saturday . My son took it right out of the box and made a trip around the block the down load to the computor was a snap The camera comes with software for editing,graphics and sound but also records sound while its recording It has a 32mg flash card and can handle a 1g but with a 1g card the camera shuts down after 15min of recording and has to be restarted I should not be suprised but there are several videos on youtube titled Tony Hawk camera test I belive the camera sells for around $ 100.00 this just happened to be marked way down On sat there was one more on the shelf for $35 if any one wants it I can run back and get it if its still there>> feels like i should of bought em both at this point Its made or marketed buy WWW.playdigitalblue.com 888-800-0502 If any one just has to have one call me @800-478-4949 and i try and getit afta work on tuesday rob From kaskas at cox.net Mon Apr 30 21:52:05 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor References: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2> <51F50CDF-1360-4CFD-B697-C29C6959DC1E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <019201c78ba4$16112bf0$750cc548@RWKastner> Trust me, there is an advantage in finding the correct advance curve. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: riverside Cc: FOT Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory Distributor I do it whenever I forget to shut off my accusump. If it's been a very long time or it's a fresh rebuild I pull the dizzy and spin the pump to fill and pressurize the accusump and get oil everywhere in the engine. Then I crank it with the ignition off until the engine is spinning nicely and flip on the ignition. I don't do it because my advance is locked--I use a little, about ten degrees. But I use pretty soft springs. Smokey built a lot of cars that ran in a narrow band of RPMs. I bet there's some torque to be gained with a properly set up advance, but I don't have a dyno or easy access to one, so I don't have a clue what that might be. Seat of the pants won't work. It's probably way less than ten percent. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:50 PM, riverside wrote: > I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that > dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any > kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting > was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned > off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign > switch thrown to the on position. > Anybody ever try that? > Henry's getting pretty close!! > > art de armond > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor >> (Mechanical >> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start >> with: - >> >> a) Initial timing used >> >> b) Total mechanical advance used >> >> c) What RPM total advance is achieved >> >> >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: >> 4/30/2007 >> 9:14 AM > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 30 19:00:28 2007 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto Message-ID: <004e01c78b8c$1cefd330$bf524c0c@user90890nvpgh> Amici, The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair. The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable, Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto, is there any advance built into it? Just wondering. Bill Triumph Rescue