[Roadsters] !966 1600 Brake Master Cylinder help

Tue Mar 8 18:29:30 MST 2016

Had http://applehydraulics.com/ do my master two years ago good work and nice people.

Jim
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From: Charles Hubbard 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:05 PM
To: Jim Svedise ; Datsun Club 
Subject: RE: [Roadsters] !966 1600 Brake Master Cylinder help

Jim,

That sounds like a reasonable explanation...thanks. I guess time will tell with my rebuilt cylinders.  If you google "stainless brake sleeves vs. brass" you will find a lot of info on this discussion by other car collectors, some who are metallurgists, etc.  Looks like a lot of people lean toward brass for many reason while stainless runs a close second.  I would ask the rebuilders and get their take on it.  Someone makes a good point about pinning the sleeve to ensure that it does not push out.

Respectfully,

Charlie Hubbard

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charlie at hubco.com

From: Jim Svedise [mailto:svedise at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 7:56 AM
To: Charles Hubbard <charlie at hubco.com>; Datsun Club <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] !966 1600 Brake Master Cylinder help

Because the brass sleeves is closer to what was originally there meaning it will expand and contract at the same rate. Also will seal better the stainless. Stainless is too smooth. 

Jim
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From: Charles Hubbard 

Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 6:08 PM

To: Jim Svedise ; Datsun Club 

Subject: RE: [Roadsters] !966 1600 Brake Master Cylinder help

Jim, given that brass is a softer material and a dissimilar metal then the steel piston, why do you prefer it over stainless?  I used to have an Austin Healey back in the 80s and the rebuilders were pushing brass sleeves.  Now they're doing stainless.  Just saying.

Respectfully,

Charlie Hubbard

From: Jim Svedise [mailto:svedise at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 6:49 PM
To: Charles Hubbard <charlie at hubco.com>; Datsun Club <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] !966 1600 Brake Master Cylinder help

Brass sleeve’s the only way to go on this stuff.

Jim
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From: Charles Hubbard via Datsun-roadsters 

Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:10 PM

To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net ; mickatliverpooltile at gmail.com 

Subject: Re: [Roadsters] !966 1600 Brake Master Cylinder help

Mick,

I would have it sleeved in stainless steel and rebuild it.  This is a more permanent fix. These cars sit for long periods of time.  The combination of a steel piston with an aluminum cylinder is a recipe for  corrosion.  I decided that it's a waste of money to buy new cylinders when the OEM is a bad design.  Put the master in a vice, apply some heat with a propane torch to the outside and use a large screw driver twist the cylinder until it breaks free.  If it's locked up tight, spray rust eater into it and let it soak overnight.  Once it is broken free and moving, you may be able to get it out with some needle-nose vice grips and a lot of patience.  Smacking it onto a block of wood can also get it loose and moving.  You can also try compressed air to blow it out, but be VERY careful to point it toward a foam pad or something soft, as it can and probably will come out like a bullet.

I used Karps Power Brake Service for all of my wheel cylinders and they did an excellent job.  Here is their URL:  http://www.karpspowerbrake.com/

A little patience will pay off.  Good luck!

Respectfully,

Charlie Hubbard

1964 SPL310 Fairlady

From: Datsun-roadsters [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Patten via Datsun-roadsters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:24 AM
Cc: Datsun Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] !966 1600 Brake Master Cylinder help

Mick,

You may be able to use an aftermarket racing master cylinder from someone like Wilwood or Tilton Engineering as a replacement. These can be bought in multiple sizes. 

These have a 3/8" thread x 3/16" line with an inverted flare for the brake line connection and a 2.25" bolt spacing (typical of most vertical Datsun 2 bolt patterns masters), so it should bolt to the firewall with little effort. You may need to come up with a new clevis arrangement to attach it to the pedal. 

Just a possible option.

Dave Patten, Owner

FutoFab, LLC

199 Stark Hwy So

Dunbarton, NH 03046-4411

www.FutoFab.com

email - FutoFab at gsinet.net

Telephone - (603) 774-6964

Facebook - FutoFab LLC

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To: "mick hayes" <mickatliverpooltile at gmail.com>
Cc: "Datsun Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 7:40:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] !966 1600 Brake Master Cylinder help

Mick,

I'd check with Les at Classic Datsun or one of the other usual suspects regarding the M/C, but I suspect substituting isn't an easy option. Check the vendor section of 311s.org for a list. AFAIK, Ross is still in business.

Regarding making your own hard lines, there may be some threads in the 311s.org forums about that, and there are definitely a lot of generic sites on the web. Just remember the Roadsters used SAE fittings, not metric. 

HTH,

Ron

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 8:33 PM, mick hayes via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Great forum

  Can i buy a brake master cylinder from another car, that fits my 1600?. Or, does anyone have one to sell?. The current unit a Girling 70 has seized. Also, any good articles on making your own brake lines, would be good. 

  My 1600, is 50 years old. I have owned it for 17 years, but have known it for 25 years. In all that time i have only driven it twice. I am determined to get her on the road this year, so any help, would be grateful. 

  Major parts needed

  Low windshield...expensive

  Gasket kits

  fuel sender unit

  Is, Ross Mullen Sport/Imports out of Vancouver still in business?

  Thanks

  Mick

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