From stevenehlers at charter.net  Sun Jul  1 15:54:47 2012
From: stevenehlers at charter.net (stevenehlers at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
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  I thought I was signed up to the Datsun Roadster Forum . Please 
unsubscribe me from this Motorcycle forum .
  I Only ride Japanese crotch Rocket bikes ;-)


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> Hi everyone
> Does anyone know the trick to removing the fuel line at the fuel
> rail on my XB12R, which has the 1200 evolution engine? I've tried 
> several  of
> the tools available at the auto parts store, and still can't get it 
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sun Jul  1 16:38:29 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 15:38:29 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
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Check the bottom of your posts. You have to unsubscribe yourself, nobody does
it for you.

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:54 PM, stevenehlers at charter.net wrote:

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>> Hi everyone
>> Does anyone know the trick to removing the fuel line at the fuel
>> rail on my XB12R, which has the 1200 evolution engine? I've tried several
of
>> the tools available at the auto parts store, and still can't get it off.
>> Thank
>> you in advance.
>> S
>> 675MIZU
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From anpost at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 17:29:04 2012
From: anpost at gmail.com (Michael Breen)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:29:04 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] =?windows-1252?q?Clutch_slave_cylinder_problem_=28I_b?=
 =?windows-1252?q?elieve=3F=29_=85=2E?=
Message-ID: <54503FD6-3D26-4657-BB3C-D5131234D13F@gmail.com>

Hello,

My question is about the connection of the clutch slave (operating) cylinder
push rod to the clutch withdrawal lever.

Recently, I started noticing a gradual worsening of my clutch pedal
effectiveness in allowing me to switch gears smoothly. It became necessary to
repeatedly depress the clutch pedal in order to allow for a relatively smooth
gear shift. This was all gears. Today, the clutch goes to the floor with no
resistance and I am unable to shift into any gear (I can hear the grind if I
attempt to shift). Also, if I attempt to start the car with the clutch
depressed, while in a gear (I can put the car in gear when the clutch is not
spinning), the car will lurch forward as if I did not have the clutch
depressed. So all this tells me that the clutch is working, but the hydraulics
in the master or slave is not functioning.

My theory on what has happened here brings me back to my specific question
about how the slave push rod interacts with the clutch withdrawal lever. Is
there supposed to be a nut screwed on the push rod that allows the push rod to
move the clutch withdrawal lever? My slave push rod is positioned through the
lever, but there is nothing forcing the lever either forward or backward, so I
am hoping a nut worked its way of the push rod over time and that is why this
problem became gradually worse and then finally, when the nut fell off
completely, it stopped working all together.

Diagrams I have reviewed seem to indicate that their is a withdrawal lever
"Push Nut" that appears to be connected to the slave push rod to allow the
lever to be pushed in a forward motion. I do not have this on my slave
cylinder, so I am hoping this somehow fell off, although I don't see how that
could happen if it is enclosed on one side by the slave and on the other by
the withdrawal lever.

Does this theory hold any water?

Also, I see there should be a return spring involved here, but I cannot see
how it attaches , as my slave cylinder does not have a connecting point for
the spring, as I have seen in diagrams of Roadster slave cylinders.

I have a 68 SRL311.

Your advice/help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike

Michael Breen
anpost at gmail.com

From aultgc at att.net  Sun Jul  1 18:19:23 2012
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:19:23 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Clutch_slave_cylinder_problem_=28I_bel?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ieve=3F=29_=2E=2E?=
References: <54503FD6-3D26-4657-BB3C-D5131234D13F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2EB8D9816104D82A8B25885073BA802@gaxp1>

Mike,

You're spot on.

There should be two nuts on the clutch operating rod:  the closest to the 
clutch withdrawal lever is rounded to nestle into the depression the in the 
lever, and the second, closer to the slave cylinder, is a lock nut.  The 
rounded-end nut has two flats on it so you can hold it while loosening the 
lock nut and vice-versa.

There should be return spring.  Ond end hooks into the withdrawal lever, 
andthe other hooks into a projection which is part of the slave cylinder 
casting.

Do you have the exploded diagram from the Nissan Parts Manual?  If not, I 
can scan and send separately.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Breen" <anpost at gmail.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:29 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Clutch slave cylinder problem (I believe?) ..


> Hello,
>
> My question is about the connection of the clutch slave (operating) 
> cylinder
> push rod to the clutch withdrawal lever.
>
> Recently, I started noticing a gradual worsening of my clutch pedal
> effectiveness in allowing me to switch gears smoothly. It became necessary 
> to
> repeatedly depress the clutch pedal in order to allow for a relatively 
> smooth
> gear shift. This was all gears. Today, the clutch goes to the floor with 
> no
> resistance and I am unable to shift into any gear (I can hear the grind if 
> I
> attempt to shift). Also, if I attempt to start the car with the clutch
> depressed, while in a gear (I can put the car in gear when the clutch is 
> not
> spinning), the car will lurch forward as if I did not have the clutch
> depressed. So all this tells me that the clutch is working, but the 
> hydraulics
> in the master or slave is not functioning.
>
> My theory on what has happened here brings me back to my specific question
> about how the slave push rod interacts with the clutch withdrawal lever. 
> Is
> there supposed to be a nut screwed on the push rod that allows the push 
> rod to
> move the clutch withdrawal lever? My slave push rod is positioned through 
> the
> lever, but there is nothing forcing the lever either forward or backward, 
> so I
> am hoping a nut worked its way of the push rod over time and that is why 
> this
> problem became gradually worse and then finally, when the nut fell off
> completely, it stopped working all together.
>
> Diagrams I have reviewed seem to indicate that their is a withdrawal lever
> "Push Nut" that appears to be connected to the slave push rod to allow the
> lever to be pushed in a forward motion. I do not have this on my slave
> cylinder, so I am hoping this somehow fell off, although I don't see how 
> that
> could happen if it is enclosed on one side by the slave and on the other 
> by
> the withdrawal lever.
>
> Does this theory hold any water?
>
> Also, I see there should be a return spring involved here, but I cannot 
> see
> how it attaches , as my slave cylinder does not have a connecting point 
> for
> the spring, as I have seen in diagrams of Roadster slave cylinders.
>
> I have a 68 SRL311.
>
> Your advice/help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Breen
> anpost at gmail.com
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From anpost at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 18:53:14 2012
From: anpost at gmail.com (Michael Breen)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 20:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Clutch slave cylinder problem (I believe?) ..
In-Reply-To: <A2EB8D9816104D82A8B25885073BA802@gaxp1>
References: <54503FD6-3D26-4657-BB3C-D5131234D13F@gmail.com>
	<A2EB8D9816104D82A8B25885073BA802@gaxp1>
Message-ID: <B289C10F-EFAD-4F12-81A6-5AAB116776FB@gmail.com>

Thanks Gary,

I have the parts diagram - thanks for the offer to send. This is where part of
my confusion comes in with regard to the spring. On the diagrams, I see where
the projection on the slave for the spring is located, but I do not have this
on my slave.

Halfway through writing this email I went out to take another look. Your
description of the nuts was perfect and made it clear to me that the push rod
(as the name implies duh!) is pushing the clutch lever, not pulling it, so
there is no need for any nut on the rod on the far side of the lever. Your
description made this easy to understand for my feeble mind. Turns out that
all the parts are there, except the return spring and I can see now there is a
little hole next to the slave (not part of the slave), so I took a spring I
had around, hooked it up, and all my clutch problems that I have been
experiencing for the past three months are resolved.

I can't thank you enough for your help. Took me most of the day working on
this simple solution, but I feel great and I would not have figured this out
without your help. I love this car and I love this list!

I will get a new spring to be sure I have the correct strength and tension,
but I am good to go for now.

Thanks,

Mike

Michael Breen
anpost at gmail.com


On Jul 1, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote:

> Mike,
>
> You're spot on.
>
> There should be two nuts on the clutch operating rod:  the closest to the
clutch withdrawal lever is rounded to nestle into the depression the in the
lever, and the second, closer to the slave cylinder, is a lock nut.  The
rounded-end nut has two flats on it so you can hold it while loosening the
lock nut and vice-versa.
>
> There should be return spring.  Ond end hooks into the withdrawal lever,
andthe other hooks into a projection which is part of the slave cylinder
casting.
>
> Do you have the exploded diagram from the Nissan Parts Manual?  If not, I
can scan and send separately.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Breen" <anpost at gmail.com>
> To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:29 PM
> Subject: [Roadsters] Clutch slave cylinder problem (I believe?) ..
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My question is about the connection of the clutch slave (operating)
cylinder
>> push rod to the clutch withdrawal lever.
>>
>> Recently, I started noticing a gradual worsening of my clutch pedal
>> effectiveness in allowing me to switch gears smoothly. It became necessary
to
>> repeatedly depress the clutch pedal in order to allow for a relatively
smooth
>> gear shift. This was all gears. Today, the clutch goes to the floor with
no
>> resistance and I am unable to shift into any gear (I can hear the grind if
I
>> attempt to shift). Also, if I attempt to start the car with the clutch
>> depressed, while in a gear (I can put the car in gear when the clutch is
not
>> spinning), the car will lurch forward as if I did not have the clutch
>> depressed. So all this tells me that the clutch is working, but the
hydraulics
>> in the master or slave is not functioning.
>>
>> My theory on what has happened here brings me back to my specific question
>> about how the slave push rod interacts with the clutch withdrawal lever.
Is
>> there supposed to be a nut screwed on the push rod that allows the push rod
to
>> move the clutch withdrawal lever? My slave push rod is positioned through
the
>> lever, but there is nothing forcing the lever either forward or backward,
so I
>> am hoping a nut worked its way of the push rod over time and that is why
this
>> problem became gradually worse and then finally, when the nut fell off
>> completely, it stopped working all together.
>>
>> Diagrams I have reviewed seem to indicate that their is a withdrawal lever
>> "Push Nut" that appears to be connected to the slave push rod to allow the
>> lever to be pushed in a forward motion. I do not have this on my slave
>> cylinder, so I am hoping this somehow fell off, although I don't see how
that
>> could happen if it is enclosed on one side by the slave and on the other
by
>> the withdrawal lever.
>>
>> Does this theory hold any water?
>>
>> Also, I see there should be a return spring involved here, but I cannot
see
>> how it attaches , as my slave cylinder does not have a connecting point
for
>> the spring, as I have seen in diagrams of Roadster slave cylinders.
>>
>> I have a 68 SRL311.
>>
>> Your advice/help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Michael Breen
>> anpost at gmail.com
>> ________________________________________
>>
>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sun Jul  1 19:24:57 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:24:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Clutch slave cylinder problem (I believe?) ..
In-Reply-To: <A2EB8D9816104D82A8B25885073BA802@gaxp1>
References: <54503FD6-3D26-4657-BB3C-D5131234D13F@gmail.com>
	<A2EB8D9816104D82A8B25885073BA802@gaxp1>
Message-ID: <4BDCE615-1D8A-4CA4-BBFE-4D39BCB7E3B6@netscape.net>

Also check the bolts that hold the slave culinder on to the tranny, they can
get loose and cause a problem.

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:19 PM, "Gary and Cindy Ault" <aultgc at att.net> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> You're spot on.
>
> There should be two nuts on the clutch operating rod:  the closest to the
clutch withdrawal lever is rounded to nestle into the depression the in the
lever, and the second, closer to the slave cylinder, is a lock nut.  The
rounded-end nut has two flats on it so you can hold it while loosening the
lock nut and vice-versa.
>
> There should be return spring.  Ond end hooks into the withdrawal lever,
andthe other hooks into a projection which is part of the slave cylinder
casting.
>
> Do you have the exploded diagram from the Nissan Parts Manual?  If not, I
can scan and send separately.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Breen" <anpost at gmail.com>
> To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:29 PM
> Subject: [Roadsters] Clutch slave cylinder problem (I believe?) ..
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My question is about the connection of the clutch slave (operating)
cylinder
>> push rod to the clutch withdrawal lever.
>>
>> Recently, I started noticing a gradual worsening of my clutch pedal
>> effectiveness in allowing me to switch gears smoothly. It became necessary
to
>> repeatedly depress the clutch pedal in order to allow for a relatively
smooth
>> gear shift. This was all gears. Today, the clutch goes to the floor with
no
>> resistance and I am unable to shift into any gear (I can hear the grind if
I
>> attempt to shift). Also, if I attempt to start the car with the clutch
>> depressed, while in a gear (I can put the car in gear when the clutch is
not
>> spinning), the car will lurch forward as if I did not have the clutch
>> depressed. So all this tells me that the clutch is working, but the
hydraulics
>> in the master or slave is not functioning.
>>
>> My theory on what has happened here brings me back to my specific question
>> about how the slave push rod interacts with the clutch withdrawal lever.
Is
>> there supposed to be a nut screwed on the push rod that allows the push rod
to
>> move the clutch withdrawal lever? My slave push rod is positioned through
the
>> lever, but there is nothing forcing the lever either forward or backward,
so I
>> am hoping a nut worked its way of the push rod over time and that is why
this
>> problem became gradually worse and then finally, when the nut fell off
>> completely, it stopped working all together.
>>
>> Diagrams I have reviewed seem to indicate that their is a withdrawal lever
>> "Push Nut" that appears to be connected to the slave push rod to allow the
>> lever to be pushed in a forward motion. I do not have this on my slave
>> cylinder, so I am hoping this somehow fell off, although I don't see how
that
>> could happen if it is enclosed on one side by the slave and on the other
by
>> the withdrawal lever.
>>
>> Does this theory hold any water?
>>
>> Also, I see there should be a return spring involved here, but I cannot
see
>> how it attaches , as my slave cylinder does not have a connecting point
for
>> the spring, as I have seen in diagrams of Roadster slave cylinders.
>>
>> I have a 68 SRL311.
>>
>> Your advice/help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Michael Breen
>> anpost at gmail.com
>> ________________________________________
>>
>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jul  1 19:28:02 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 19:28:02 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
In-Reply-To: <C1B54EC0-1E2C-46DA-A2A6-5D5E26C12C95@netscape.net>
References: <298d52a8.8e3b9.1384489f164.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<C1B54EC0-1E2C-46DA-A2A6-5D5E26C12C95@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <4FF0F922.4030601@bradakis.com>

Linda J wrote:
> Check the bottom of your posts. You have to unsubscribe yourself, nobody does
> it for you.
>
>
With the digests it is different.  The mailman program doesn't deal with
digests the same way, so there can't be the personal unsubscribe/admin
link in digests.  I wish it would work that way, but no.

The Team.Net server was down for about 20 minutes this afternoon, power
outage just a minute or two longer than the current UPS can handle. There
may be a fall mini fund drive to upgrade some hardware.  Donate early,
donate often ;-)

But then again, given the amount of traffic on this list I bet no one at all
noticed the short outage.


mjb, the over paid and under worked Team.Net janitor.

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Sun Jul  1 22:51:59 2012
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:51:59 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
In-Reply-To: <4FF0F922.4030601@bradakis.com>
References: <298d52a8.8e3b9.1384489f164.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<C1B54EC0-1E2C-46DA-A2A6-5D5E26C12C95@netscape.net>
	<4FF0F922.4030601@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <001001cd580e$6a7b8a00$3f729e00$@net>

I think he was just joking anyway about unsubscribing.

Pete "rode Harley's & Japanese bikes"

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J
Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:28 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202

Linda J wrote:
> Check the bottom of your posts. You have to unsubscribe yourself, 
> nobody does it for you.
>
>
With the digests it is different.  The mailman program doesn't deal with
digests the same way, so there can't be the personal unsubscribe/admin link
in digests.  I wish it would work that way, but no.

The Team.Net server was down for about 20 minutes this afternoon, power
outage just a minute or two longer than the current UPS can handle. There
may be a fall mini fund drive to upgrade some hardware.  Donate early,
donate often ;-)

But then again, given the amount of traffic on this list I bet no one at all
noticed the short outage.


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From ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 23:31:20 2012
From: ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com (Stan Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:31:20 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
In-Reply-To: <001001cd580e$6a7b8a00$3f729e00$@net>
References: <298d52a8.8e3b9.1384489f164.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<C1B54EC0-1E2C-46DA-A2A6-5D5E26C12C95@netscape.net>
	<4FF0F922.4030601@bradakis.com> <001001cd580e$6a7b8a00$3f729e00$@net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21004DD7C1EFB5A79DDA9CAB4EA0@phx.gbl>

That's the way I read it, being facetious.

FrankenStan, current bike is a 1980 Honda CB900.  I got the name 
FrankenStan because I brought the CB back from the dead using parts from 
many bikes.


On 7/1/2012 9:51 PM, Pete Peters wrote:
> I think he was just joking anyway about unsubscribing.
>
> Pete "rode Harley's & Japanese bikes"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J
> Bradakis
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:28 PM
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
>
> Linda J wrote:
>> Check the bottom of your posts. You have to unsubscribe yourself,
>> nobody does it for you.
>>
>>
> With the digests it is different.  The mailman program doesn't deal with
> digests the same way, so there can't be the personal unsubscribe/admin link
> in digests.  I wish it would work that way, but no.
>
> The Team.Net server was down for about 20 minutes this afternoon, power
> outage just a minute or two longer than the current UPS can handle. There
> may be a fall mini fund drive to upgrade some hardware.  Donate early,
> donate often ;-)
>
> But then again, given the amount of traffic on this list I bet no one at all
> noticed the short outage.
>
>
> mjb, the over paid and under worked Team.Net janitor.
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From alvingogi at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 23:40:30 2012
From: alvingogi at gmail.com (alvin gogineni)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:40:30 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Bayline Meet pictures
Message-ID: <CALmuZ6CTwp3ntb+k3=T0zU=68WYPOgSbwaJ4ykZnswoZuB3gjw@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.zcarblog.com/2012/07/01/events/bayline-vintage-meet-pictures.html

From stevenehlers at charter.net  Mon Jul  2 08:08:58 2012
From: stevenehlers at charter.net (stevenehlers at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:08:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
Message-ID: <37ab8858.95d46.1384805d5c9.Webtop.49@charter.net>

Linda and Todd ,

  Of Course I know this is a Roadster site !! I can Read on Every post 
how to Unsubscribe ...... Been on the list probably over the past
15 + years .....

Just that this is a Sarcastic humor remark ,when somebody asks this 
group for knowledge about something other than a
Datsun ! It is much easier to research the Internet ,than to assume 
somebody on a unrelated forum has a Bike of the same kind
you need info about .
Steve


On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Linda J wrote:

> Check the bottom of your posts. You have to unsubscribe yourself, 
> nobody does it for you.
>
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:54 PM, stevenehlers at charter.net wrote:
>
>> I thought I was signed up to the Datsun Roadster Forum . Please 
>> unsubscribe me from this Motorcycle forum .
>> I Only ride Japanese crotch Rocket bikes ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM, 
>> datsun-roadsters-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>
>>> Send Datsun-roadsters mailing list submissions to
>>>    datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
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>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>    datsun-roadsters-request at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>    datsun-roadsters-owner at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Datsun-roadsters digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. O/T Buell (H-D) fuel line (steven boortz)
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: steven boortz <vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com>
>>> To: roadsters <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Roadsters] O/T Buell (H-D) fuel line
>>> Message-ID:
>>>    <1341080614.56400.androidMobile at web181015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>> Does anyone know the trick to removing the fuel line at the fuel
>>> rail on my XB12R, which has the 1200 evolution engine? I've tried 
>>> several  of
>>> the tools available at the auto parts store, and still can't get it 
>>> off.
>>> Thank
>>> you in advance.
>>> S
>>> 675MIZU
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
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>>>
>>> End of Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
>>> ************************************************
>> ________________________________________

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Mon Jul  2 09:39:02 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 08:39:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
In-Reply-To: <37ab8858.95d46.1384805d5c9.Webtop.49@charter.net>
References: <37ab8858.95d46.1384805d5c9.Webtop.49@charter.net>
Message-ID: <A3F3C6B1-504A-40FF-8E61-15147EB6BB4F@netscape.net>

There have been,from time to time, people posting that they wanted to be
removed from the List. It happens even with the instructions, but more so when
there were no instructions.
Glad you didn't need the help and were just being humorous.

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:08 AM, stevenehlers at charter.net wrote:

> Linda and Todd ,
>
> Of Course I know this is a Roadster site !! I can Read on Every post how to
Unsubscribe ...... Been on the list probably over the past
> 15 + years .....
>
> Just that this is a Sarcastic humor remark ,when somebody asks this group
for knowledge about something other than a
> Datsun ! It is much easier to research the Internet ,than to assume somebody
on a unrelated forum has a Bike of the same kind
> you need info about .
> Steve
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Linda J wrote:
>
>> Check the bottom of your posts. You have to unsubscribe yourself, nobody
does it for you.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:54 PM, stevenehlers at charter.net wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I was signed up to the Datsun Roadster Forum . Please
unsubscribe me from this Motorcycle forum .
>>> I Only ride Japanese crotch Rocket bikes ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM, datsun-roadsters-request at autox.team.net
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Send Datsun-roadsters mailing list submissions to
>>>>   datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>>>>
>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>   http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters
>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>   datsun-roadsters-request at autox.team.net
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>   datsun-roadsters-owner at autox.team.net
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Datsun-roadsters digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>  1. O/T Buell (H-D) fuel line (steven boortz)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: steven boortz <vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: roadsters <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: [Roadsters] O/T Buell (H-D) fuel line
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>   <1341080614.56400.androidMobile at web181015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>> Does anyone know the trick to removing the fuel line at the fuel
>>>> rail on my XB12R, which has the 1200 evolution engine? I've tried several
of
>>>> the tools available at the auto parts store, and still can't get it off.
>>>> Thank
>>>> you in advance.
>>>> S
>>>> 675MIZU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Datsun-roadsters mailing list
>>>> Datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> End of Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 202
>>>> ************************************************
>>> ________________________________________

From stl at adnc.com  Mon Jul  2 10:52:10 2012
From: stl at adnc.com (Steve Landuyt)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:52:10 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Mikuni (Solex) Carbs N44PHH and Manifold for Sale
Message-ID: <C1D6724CE6EE4E749E56542E68019DAD@stephenl0111>

These Mikuni (Solex) carbs and manifold are new in their original box and
have never been installed.  My plan to install them on my '69 2000 roadster
has changed and I'll offer them for sale on the list first.
 
They were purchased twelve years ago for about $2,400 and I am looking for a
fair current price.  Still in the box from Nissan Motorsports labeled "U20
Solex" with the ancillary parts, gaskets and insulators. 
 
If you are interested and have questions please email me or call
619.574.6298.
 
Steve Landuyt
San Diego

From jim.jones90 at comcast.net  Tue Jul  3 09:42:45 2012
From: jim.jones90 at comcast.net (jim.jones90 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:42:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] Alternator question
In-Reply-To: <1341007592.35633.YahooMailClassic@web130204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1205690658.687136.1341330165423.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi all, 

Thanks for all of the information on the alternator! 

We went to the auto-bone yard and looked at the rows and rows of alternators and we found one from a 77 Ford Courier that looks exactly like the OEM Mitsubishi alternator from the '68. It is 27Amp so it shouldn't burn out the wiring. I had it tested and it works, I am going to install it this weekend and a 30amp fuse in the line (thanks to whoever suggested that!) and see how it goes. I am sending the old OEM alternator out to be rebuilt in the meantime. If the Ford works I will transplant it to my '69 roadster (which is a 'Frankenstein' roadster from all the miscellaneous parts I have installed) and then re-install the OEM into the '68 which appears to be mostly original. 

Anyhow, thank you all! 

Jim 




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Harper" <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> 
To: aultgc at att.net, "jim jones90" <jim.jones90 at comcast.net>, datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net, BARTERDUDE at aol.com 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:06:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Alternator question 


I am going to have to agree. I like staying mostly stock, but after years of pulling my hair with over-charging issues voltage regulators and 40 year-old wiring I finally did the GM thang and LOVE it! The built-in VR and clean installation getting rid of VR, wiring harness and mess is worth it for me, and the application looks stock to a non-roadster expert on my '66. I have the old stuff just in case I ever enter a concourse ;-)), but will never go back 

My 2c 


Mike Harper, CAI, AARE 
Harper Auction & Realty 
843-729-4996 
"Experience Sells" 

www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET 



--- On Fri, 6/29/12, BARTERDUDE at aol.com <BARTERDUDE at aol.com> wrote: 



From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com <BARTERDUDE at aol.com> 
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Alternator question 
To: aultgc at att.net, jim.jones90 at comcast.net, datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net 
Date: Friday, June 29, 2012, 5:57 PM 


I've got to say the one-wire GM route is "fast and furious" even for the 
somewhat novice, if you're not trying to stay OEM. I've done it on four 
different roadsters over the years with great success. 


Gary Lasater - Parker CO 
founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ ( http://www.wycroc.org/ ) / 
_www.ZRoad.org_ ( http://www.zroad.org/ ) 
1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 
1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 
1964 SPL310-01289 
1967 SPL311-09144 

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Tue Jul  3 10:32:43 2012
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:32:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] Alternator question
In-Reply-To: <1205690658.687136.1341330165423.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <186899498.762032.1341333163751.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Ford Courier is one of the sources for Alternator Alternatives on the 311s.org Tech Wiki: 

http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.AlternatorAlternatives 


Pete 

-----Original Message-----
From: "jim jones90" <jim.jones90 at comcast.net> 
To: "Mike Harper" <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:42:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Alternator question 

[snip] 

We went to the auto-bone yard and looked at the rows and rows of alternators and we found one from a 77 Ford Courier that looks exactly like the OEM Mitsubishi alternator from the '68. It is 27Amp so it shouldn't burn out the wiring. I had it tested and it works, I am going to install it this weekend and a 30amp fuse in the line (thanks to whoever suggested that!) and see how it goes. I am sending the old OEM alternator out to be rebuilt in the meantime. If the Ford works I will transplant it to my '69 roadster (which is a 'Frankenstein' roadster from all the miscellaneous parts I have installed) and then re-install the OEM into the '68 which appears to be mostly original. 

Anyhow, thank you all! 

Jim 

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Jul  5 06:20:21 2012
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:20:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun Love on BaT today
Message-ID: <38e87aff.b5b1c.13857157990.Webtop.45@charter.net>

Three different ones today including a nice SRL...

 
http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/bat-exclusive-clean-1969-datsun-2000-roadster/

http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/33k-mile-1967-datsun-411-wagon/

 
http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/nine-of-a-kind-utah-nissan-patrol-graveyard/

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Jul  5 06:22:53 2012
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:22:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Make that four on Bat...
Message-ID: <37d66132.b5b58.1385717cd4b.Webtop.45@charter.net>

Datsun powered...

 
http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/datsun-powered-1967-fiat-1500-roadster/

From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 08:37:30 2012
From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:37:30 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Make that four on Bat...
In-Reply-To: <37d66132.b5b58.1385717cd4b.Webtop.45@charter.net>
References: <37d66132.b5b58.1385717cd4b.Webtop.45@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CAFEMhEt_-bOUM29vBnjpmQ5Noe=yS=K1qsUi3SU-RDhA5kYkKg@mail.gmail.com>

  Not sure what that engine is, but if I wanted a Fiat, I'd rather have one
with their motor in it.  Other than the old 850s, they build some nice twin
overhead cam high reving engines.

IMHO,

Paul

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:

> Datsun powered...
>
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/datsun-powered-1967-fiat-1500-roadster/
> ________________________________________
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From tputland at charter.net  Thu Jul  5 09:26:56 2012
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:26:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun Love on BaT today
Message-ID: <361b064c.b8206.13857c04a15.Webtop.45@charter.net>

I sure hope that 15K is a typo.....

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Paul Kort wrote:

  B  Beautiful roadster, even at that price.B  The 411 wagon is exactly
what I'm looking for, except for the automatic transmission,.... and
that price tag!

Paul

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Tim < tputland at charter.net
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('tputland at charter.net')> >
wrote:
Three different ones today including a nice SRL...


http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/bat-exclusive-clean-1969-datsun-2000-road
ster/
<http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/bat-exclusive-clean-1969-datsun-2000-roa
dster/>

http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/33k-mile-1967-datsun-411-wagon/
<http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/33k-mile-1967-datsun-411-wagon/>


http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/nine-of-a-kind-utah-nissan-patrol-graveya
rd/
<http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/nine-of-a-kind-utah-nissan-patrol-gravey
ard/>
________________________________________

From krismon at ongbongan.com  Thu Jul  5 11:50:33 2012
From: krismon at ongbongan.com (Krismon ongbongan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:50:33 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Make that four on Bat...
In-Reply-To: <CAFEMhEt_-bOUM29vBnjpmQ5Noe=yS=K1qsUi3SU-RDhA5kYkKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37d66132.b5b58.1385717cd4b.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<CAFEMhEt_-bOUM29vBnjpmQ5Noe=yS=K1qsUi3SU-RDhA5kYkKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzNKbhEAsiV08niRbngNUpkKFSJubOFMsN5Cu+bq_Gws_mEYw@mail.gmail.com>

Pretty sure it's an A14, the motor I just pulled out of my roadster..

I may make it available with the automatic that was in my roadster $0
if anyone wants to pick it up.. depending on how my KA swap goes.

Kris.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:
>   Not sure what that engine is, but if I wanted a Fiat, I'd rather have one
> with their motor in it.  Other than the old 850s, they build some nice twin
> overhead cam high reving engines.
>
> IMHO,
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Datsun powered...
>>
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/04/datsun-powered-1967-fiat-1500-roadster/
>> ________________________________________
>>
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>>
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From girault at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul  7 12:21:35 2012
From: girault at bellsouth.net (Girault Jones Sr.)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:21:35 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] logging off
Message-ID: <C1FB4112-D47B-44EC-A428-03E1E83AD4C0@bellsouth.net>


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jul  7 23:25:14 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 23:25:14 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] Old message just sent out
Message-ID: <4FF919BA.4060207@bradakis.com>

You may have noticed a message showing up in your mailbox from
back in March.  I've been going through a bunch of Team.Net admin
stuff and found the message about the widow wanting to sell her
husband's cars, thought I'd pass it along in case she might still have
them.

Yep, an exciting Saturday night at the keyboard instead of out having
a night on the town!

mjb.

From poontang188 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  5 20:55:43 2012
From: poontang188 at hotmail.com (Scott Sheeler)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 22:55:43 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Low Windshield Shop Recommendation Needed - El Paso or
 Albuquerque
Message-ID: <BAY146-W118063FF7C95268B5BE2B5FCEE0@phx.gbl>

Greetings:

I have a retired friend in New Mexico who does not have internet service that
needs the name of a windshield shop in either El Paso or Albuquerque.  The
shop needs experience in low-windshield frame removal/replacement and
experience with the inevitable stuck fasteners.  He has the parts - he just
needs the labor.

Please contact me off-list with names, phone numbers, etc.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Scott Sheeler

http://thedatsunroadsterbook.com/

From poontang188 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 09:45:56 2012
From: poontang188 at hotmail.com (Scott Sheeler)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:45:56 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Datsun Roadster Book Part III
Message-ID: <BAY146-W49E879316E4B2995668BCDFCEE0@phx.gbl>

Friends:

When we printed the 3rd edition of the Datsun Roadster Book in 2010 and added
the 3rd volume, we printed several additional "loose" Part III's for buyers of
the original 2-volume sets.  Effective September 1, or as soon as they're
gone, we will no longer sell the 3rd volume separately.  We still have plenty
of 3-part sets, but the loose Part III will be out-of-print permanently.

Thanks for your support over the years.

From raiderich at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 12:02:47 2012
From: raiderich at yahoo.com (RICH KILBURN)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1341770567.29910.YahooMailNeo@web161803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>


From girault at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul  9 18:20:39 2012
From: girault at bellsouth.net (Girault Jones Sr.)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:20:39 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Sale
Message-ID: <4777FD90-61FD-4C4D-A9CB-964D1438B09A@bellsouth.net>


From roadster2 at schroeder-family.us  Mon Jul  9 20:56:19 2012
From: roadster2 at schroeder-family.us (Fred Schroeder)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 21:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Alternator question
References: <740712214.499483.1340857440236.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004901cd5e47$9867c980$6700a8c0@fubar>

I don't have any need for a high power alternator so I replaced mine with a
35amp unit with built-in regulator.

My write-up with pictures and diagrams is located at:

http://schroeder-family.us/datsun.htm

about half way down the page.

Best regards,

Fred Schroeder
roadster2 at schroeder-family.us
Home page: http://schroeder-family.us
NRA Life Member

Behold the superfluous. They are always sick. They
vomit their gall and call it a newspaper.
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche   1844-1900
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jim.jones90 at comcast.net
  To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:24 PM
  Subject: [Roadsters] Alternator question


  Hi All,



  Well I am now the proud owner of a 1969 Roadster 1600 that I will be
working
  on to restore. And we just bought a restored 1968 1600. The '68 had been
  sitting for over a year and only started a couple of times. We started it
up
  and put about 300 miles on it over the course of a month B then blewB a
  cylinder. We rebuilt the head and got that problem all fixed (thank you
  Ralley!).



  Anyway, now the alternator is out and I am thinking it will be best to have
  the existing alternator rebuilt but I am wondering if there is a new
  alternator that will work. I have not been able to find a new alternator
that
  has the proper power output. I did some checking and it looks like there is
a
  problem with new alternators being over powered and burning out the wiring.



  Of course the good folks at the auto parts store have all kinds of things
they
  say will work but I want to be sure before I make a purchase. I don't want
to
  end up replacing the celinoid and starter and all the wiring in between.


  Any advice is appreciated!


  Thanks!



  Jim
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From billyjack626 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 19:41:22 2012
From: billyjack626 at yahoo.com (william jacomini)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:41:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] fairlady
Message-ID: <1341970882.62081.YahooMailNeo@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

how can i get on drone to sell my  1965  fairlady  ?  TY   Billyjack  860
-841- 3924

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 21:33:50 2012
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:33:50 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] How to get on DRONE (was "fairlady")
In-Reply-To: <1341970882.62081.YahooMailNeo@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1341970882.62081.YahooMailNeo@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161290385-1341977631-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1963316427-@b1.c20.bise6.blackberry>

If you mean D.R.O.N.E. as in Datsun Roadsters of New England, then go to their website and click the Contact Us link. 

www.drone-club.com

Pete
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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Reply-To: william jacomini <billyjack626 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Roadsters] fairlady

how can i get on drone to sell my  1965  fairlady  ?  TY   Billyjack  860
-841- 3924
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From tom at datsun2000.com  Tue Jul 10 21:44:20 2012
From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom Hendricksen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:44:20 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] fairlady
Message-ID: <4FFCF694.9000009@datsun2000.com>

You can go to the DRONE web site:  http://www.drone-club.com/

Tom
89 2000
Las Vegas



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From brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com  Wed Jul 11 21:03:23 2012
From: brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com (Brad Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
Message-ID: <1342062203.51599.YahooMailNeo@web84502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Anyone know how to unstick a stuck hood latch?  Car sat for a couple of years
and now hood release .... well doesn't.  I don't think cable is broken. Any
ideas not involving torches/cutting/grinding would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Brad Hendrickson
1970 1600

From roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 05:39:59 2012
From: roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com (Mike Harper)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 04:39:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
In-Reply-To: <1342062203.51599.YahooMailNeo@web84502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1342093199.89196.YahooMailClassic@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

First try putting it on a lift, or jacking it up (support with jack-stands)
and try to access the latch from underneath using a long screw driver or
similar tool.  Once you get it open, run a coat hanger or piano wire from the
latch trrough the firewall as a secondary release.... Not that uncommon.


Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
Harper Auction & Realty
843-729-4996
"Experience Sells"

www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
 
 

--- On Wed, 7/11/12, Brad Hendrickson <brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com>
wrote:


From: Brad Hendrickson <brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com>
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
To: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 11:03 PM


Anyone know how to unstick a stuck hood latch?  Car sat for a couple of years
and now hood release .... well doesn't.  I don't think cable is broken. Any
ideas not involving torches/cutting/grinding would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Brad Hendrickson
1970 1600

From pat at hornesystemstx.com  Thu Jul 12 06:26:55 2012
From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:26:55 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
In-Reply-To: <1342093199.89196.YahooMailClassic@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1342093199.89196.YahooMailClassic@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FFEC28F.6080000@hornesystemstx.com>

If that doesn't do the trick, try removing the hood hinge bolts and lift 
up the front of the hood to gain access with long tools.

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake Mike Harper, On 7/12/2012 6:39 AM:
> First try putting it on a lift, or jacking it up (support with jack-stands)
> and try to access the latch from underneath using a long screw driver or
> similar tool.  Once you get it open, run a coat hanger or piano wire from the
> latch trrough the firewall as a secondary release.... Not that uncommon.
>
>
> Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
> Harper Auction & Realty
> 843-729-4996
> "Experience Sells"
>
> www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
>   
>   
>
> --- On Wed, 7/11/12, Brad Hendrickson <brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Brad Hendrickson <brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com>
> Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
> To: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 11:03 PM
>
>
> Anyone know how to unstick a stuck hood latch?  Car sat for a couple of years
> and now hood release .... well doesn't.  I don't think cable is broken. Any
> ideas not involving torches/cutting/grinding would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Brad Hendrickson
> 1970 1600
> ________________________________________
>
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From cour.jpeg at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 06:47:15 2012
From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:47:15 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
In-Reply-To: <1342093199.89196.YahooMailClassic@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1342062203.51599.YahooMailNeo@web84502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1342093199.89196.YahooMailClassic@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAC0-o5-DT2KFtXxvzGHKGNndHNDPkh4Lt+HmBRsfFL1cbQmaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sometimes a light spray oil is just enough. Use extension tube and blindly
hose what you can reach. Let it sit and possibly seep to the plate that
holds the spring prong captive. That plate, and friction with the fixed
mounting surface, is probably where things are stuck.
On Jul 12, 2012 7:55 AM, "Mike Harper" <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> First try putting it on a lift, or jacking it up (support with jack-stands)
> and try to access the latch from underneath using a long screw driver or
> similar tool.  Once you get it open, run a coat hanger or piano wire from
> the
> latch trrough the firewall as a secondary release.... Not that uncommon.
>
>
> Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
> Harper Auction & Realty
> 843-729-4996
> "Experience Sells"
>
> www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/11/12, Brad Hendrickson <brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Brad Hendrickson <brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com>
> Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
> To: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 11:03 PM
>
>
> Anyone know how to unstick a stuck hood latch?  Car sat for a couple of
> years
> and now hood release .... well doesn't.  I don't think cable is broken. Any
> ideas not involving torches/cutting/grinding would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Brad Hendrickson
> 1970 1600
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>
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From sfdaugherty01 at msn.com  Thu Jul 12 08:13:27 2012
From: sfdaugherty01 at msn.com (SHANNON F DAUGHERTY)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:13:27 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
In-Reply-To: <4FFEC28F.6080000@hornesystemstx.com>
References: <1342093199.89196.YahooMailClassic@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4FFEC28F.6080000@hornesystemstx.com>
Message-ID: <SNT402-EAS251486F7AF5567E421FE5A1B4D00@phx.gbl>

You can also access the latch from behind the dash but you'll probably have to
pull the radio console out. One of the upper firewall access holes on the
drivers side works.

It's a pain but fixing the damage from prying it up would be worse.

Shannon

On Jul 12, 2012, at 8:08 AM, "Pat Horne" <pat at hornesystemstx.com> wrote:

> If that doesn't do the trick, try removing the hood hinge bolts and lift up
the front of the hood to gain access with long tools.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Thusly spake Mike Harper, On 7/12/2012 6:39 AM:
>> First try putting it on a lift, or jacking it up (support with
jack-stands)
>> and try to access the latch from underneath using a long screw driver or
>> similar tool.  Once you get it open, run a coat hanger or piano wire from
the
>> latch trrough the firewall as a secondary release.... Not that uncommon.
>>
>>
>> Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
>> Harper Auction & Realty
>> 843-729-4996
>> "Experience Sells"
>>
>> www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
>>
>> --- On Wed, 7/11/12, Brad Hendrickson <brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Brad Hendrickson <brad.hendrickson at rocketmail.com>
>> Subject: [Roadsters] Hood Latch Stuck
>> To: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 11:03 PM
>>
>>
>> Anyone know how to unstick a stuck hood latch?  Car sat for a couple of
years
>> and now hood release .... well doesn't.  I don't think cable is broken.
Any
>> ideas not involving torches/cutting/grinding would be appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Brad Hendrickson
>> 1970 1600
>> ________________________________________
>>
>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
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From d_kroninger at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 14 11:15:06 2012
From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:15:06 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] EI Dizzy install
Message-ID: <BLU401-EAS47947DCA19732590704BD6E9BD60@phx.gbl>

All,

I received my shinny new EI dizzy the other day and was thinking about putting
it in today, but I am confused about one thing.

In the manual and on 311s it seems that if I have a good running car, which I
do, I should be able to mark all the current settings and rotor location, pull
the old one out, drop in the new one, swap out coil, bypass resistor, install
gapped plugs and wires, and go.  Basically no trimming resets.

Would that be correct?  Will I have to reset timing and what not, or should I
be able to swap and go? I just want to clarify this before taking it apart.
Thanks all for your help

Dan

From gboone70 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 16:46:44 2012
From: gboone70 at yahoo.com (Gary Boone)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:46:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] EI Dizzy install
In-Reply-To: <BLU401-EAS47947DCA19732590704BD6E9BD60@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU401-EAS47947DCA19732590704BD6E9BD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1342306004.66551.YahooMailNeo@web164604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Dan,
You'll want to check/adjust the timing.  If you don't have a timing
light, you can set the timing by setting the crank position at the desired
timing mark and rotate the distributor to align the tips of the reluctor with
the tips of the stator.

Gary    




>________________________________
>
From: Dan Kroninger <d_kroninger at hotmail.com>
>To: Datsun Mailing List
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:15 AM
>Subject: [Roadsters] EI Dizzy install
> 
>All,
>
>I received my shinny new EI
dizzy the other day and was thinking about putting
>it in today, but I am
confused about one thing.
>
>In the manual and on 311s it seems that if I have
a good running car, which I
>do, I should be able to mark all the current
settings and rotor location, pull
>the old one out, drop in the new one, swap
out coil, bypass resistor, install
>gapped plugs and wires, and go.  Basically
no trimming resets.
>
>Would that be correct?  Will I have to reset timing and
what not, or should I
>be able to swap and go? I just want to clarify this
before taking it apart.
>Thanks all for your help
>
>Dan
>________________________________________

From az589 at lafn.org  Sat Jul 14 17:46:55 2012
From: az589 at lafn.org (Stan Chernoff)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:46:55 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] EI Dizzy install
In-Reply-To: <BLU401-EAS47947DCA19732590704BD6E9BD60@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU401-EAS47947DCA19732590704BD6E9BD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20120714163209.00bffdf0@lafn.org>

You can't depend on the timing being correct when you install the new 
distributor.  If you didn't receive the hold down plate with the 
pointer it will need to be transferred.  Since there are two 
adjustments associated with the pointer hold down plate it is 
necessary to set the timing.  If the EI was set up correctly it 
should not be necessary to reset the intermediate gear that runs on 
the cam.  The supplier should be able to guide you on the setup.

Stan
==========

At 10:15 AM 7/14/2012, Dan Kroninger wrote:
>All,
>
>I received my shinny new EI dizzy the other day and was thinking about putting
>it in today, but I am confused about one thing.
>
>In the manual and on 311s it seems that if I have a good running car, which I
>do, I should be able to mark all the current settings and rotor location, pull
>the old one out, drop in the new one, swap out coil, bypass resistor, install
>gapped plugs and wires, and go.  Basically no trimming resets.
>
>Would that be correct?  Will I have to reset timing and what not, or should I
>be able to swap and go? I just want to clarify this before taking it apart.
>Thanks all for your help
>
>Dan
>________________________________________

From funkaholik at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 12:09:27 2012
From: funkaholik at yahoo.com (Erik Miller)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:09:27 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] EI Dizzy install
Message-ID: <144FB3CA-E71D-4C41-A607-4A49B936FEED@yahoo.com>

My experience is that marking rotor position and removing / installing a
distributor gets you close enough to get the engine started back up, but I
always check and set timing with a light afterwards. A tiny amount of
distributor rotation in either direction makes a big difference. It only takes
5 more minutes to have a perfectly running engine.

From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 09:05:36 2012
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:05:36 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Multi-State Datsun Classic
Message-ID: <CAHNg2dnxoMLt2d8+sdRxJQK7K_d+nAFdXSy+_vd-QGvpUK_yYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Passing this on -

ATTENTION:
California, Neveda, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and Mexico, and any
other state that wants to join in

You asked for it... You got it. The Multi-State Datsun Classic in Williams,
AZ that you asked to have as an annual event has been done. And the
Registration for the 2nd Annual Multi-State Datsun Classic is now OPEN!

We have worked hard at making this a great show and we are still working at
it to make this a great year.

We have a lot in store for this year and we are working on getting more
Datsuns out so grab a Datsun owner and bring them along.

The show is being organized by NostalgicDatsun.com and operated and
sponsored by SoCalROC

To Register log onto http://www.nostalgicdatsun.com and click the Events
button

All registration inquires need to be sent to
registration at nostalgicdatsun.com


-- 
If you are lucky enough to stand next to a Datsun, then you are lucky
enough.

From BARTERDUDE at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 08:14:17 2012
From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:14:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Anyone from east coast heading west
Message-ID: <4fd3.1d90d7c2.3d381eb9@aol.com>

I bought a small folding trailer I can pull behind my roadster on ebay last 
 night, but didn't read the shipping instructions which is LOCAL PICKUP.   
Was wondering if any of our east coast around PA folks are taking a vacation 
or  trip out west (even Williams AZ later this year) that might like to 
bring  it out to me in Colorado?
 
This folding utility trailer only takes up 24" x 63" of space when folded,  
so it can be stored just about anywhere, but unfolded, it can handle heavy 
loads  up to 1195 pounds! Add plywood decking for a 48" x 96" bed. Hitch 
this  heavy-duty folding utility trailer to a vehicle that has a 1-7/8" ball 
hitch to  transport securely.
 
Gary Lasater  - Parker CO
founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/)  / 
_www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/)  
1963 SPL310-00161C  (Single Carb)
1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb)
1964 SPL310-01289
1967  SPL311-09144

From wilhouse400 at att.net  Wed Jul 18 19:47:06 2012
From: wilhouse400 at att.net (Kendall Williams)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:47:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Anyone from east coast heading west
In-Reply-To: <4fd3.1d90d7c2.3d381eb9@aol.com>
References: <4fd3.1d90d7c2.3d381eb9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1342662426.68804.YahooMailRC@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Maybe we can relay this across the US.
I can get it from the Chicago area to
western KS.  Anybody coming to Chicago?
Ken Williams
'67 1600 
Janesville, WI

From mark at dealermats.com  Wed Jul 18 19:54:34 2012
From: mark at dealermats.com (Mark Dent)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:54:34 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Anyone from east coast heading west
In-Reply-To: <1342662426.68804.YahooMailRC@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <4fd3.1d90d7c2.3d381eb9@aol.com>
	<1342662426.68804.YahooMailRC@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <470262FB-49E6-49E5-9515-8D6B6946E179@dealermats.com>

Where is it?  I'm sure we can find someone to pick it up and ship it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2012, at 9:47 PM, Kendall Williams <wilhouse400 at att.net> wrote:

> Maybe we can relay this across the US.
> I can get it from the Chicago area to
> western KS.  Anybody coming to Chicago?
> Ken Williams
> '67 1600
> Janesville, WI
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From BARTERDUDE at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 19:57:42 2012
From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:57:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Anyone from east coast heading west
Message-ID: <1e874.1d59989c.3d38c396@aol.com>

That's an interesting thought.  
 
I think I have someone that might relay from Western Kansas to Colorado, so 
 do we have anyone coming from around the Allentown PA area to Chicago?
 
Otherwise, I am working on getting someone building a shipping box and  
seeing if I can ship it freight from PA to CO.  Kind of like working on the  
roadster tracking down a problem in the electrical, start at the rear and work 
 forward (grins).
 
Gary Lasater
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2012 7:48:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
wilhouse400 at att.net writes:

Maybe we  can relay this across the US.
I can get it from the Chicago area  to
western KS.  Anybody coming to Chicago?
Ken Williams
'67 1600  
Janesville,  WI
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From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 08:54:37 2012
From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:54:37 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Leaky differential?
Message-ID: <CAFEMhEsfUtDWMRMLfZ39UKv=gHJu7Ju5Yh9bCpV-+x=tSq_kcw@mail.gmail.com>

  Coming home from MidOhio a few weeks ago, the differential in my 1969
1600 started whining.  The car has a KA24E, 5 speed, and a 3.70 ring &
pinion from a 2000.  I crawled underneath today and pulled the drain plug.
Got a few drops!  I pulled the wheels and brake drums.  The axles are not
leaking.  It does look like the drain plug has been leaking a bit, but
there never was a puddle on the garage floor.  So where did all the oil go?

  I refilled the diff with Red Line Shock Proof, and used Teflon tape on
both drain and fill plugs.  Thunderstorms coming through here today so a
road test will have to wait.

Paul
Ohio

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Thu Jul 19 09:06:13 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:06:13 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Leaky differential?
In-Reply-To: <CAFEMhEsfUtDWMRMLfZ39UKv=gHJu7Ju5Yh9bCpV-+x=tSq_kcw@mail.gmail.com>
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Is Teflon tape a good idea on the tranny fill and drain plugs?
I don't know where the oil went but doesn't Redline leak thru the seals
easier?

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Coming home from MidOhio a few weeks ago, the differential in my 1969
> 1600 started whining.  The car has a KA24E, 5 speed, and a 3.70 ring &
> pinion from a 2000.  I crawled underneath today and pulled the drain plug.
> Got a few drops!  I pulled the wheels and brake drums.  The axles are not
> leaking.  It does look like the drain plug has been leaking a bit, but
> there never was a puddle on the garage floor.  So where did all the oil go?
>
>  I refilled the diff with Red Line Shock Proof, and used Teflon tape on
> both drain and fill plugs.  Thunderstorms coming through here today so a
> road test will have to wait.
>
> Paul
> Ohio
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From davidbentz at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 09:24:13 2012
From: davidbentz at gmail.com (David Bentz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:24:13 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Leaky differential?
In-Reply-To: <CAFEMhEsfUtDWMRMLfZ39UKv=gHJu7Ju5Yh9bCpV-+x=tSq_kcw@mail.gmail.com>
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Paul
were you able to give it a douse of purple power or something to clean the
diff off to see if/where the leak(s) are coming from w/the new fluid?



On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com>wrote:

>   Coming home from MidOhio a few weeks ago, the differential in my 1969
> 1600 started whining.  The car has a KA24E, 5 speed, and a 3.70 ring &
> pinion from a 2000.  I crawled underneath today and pulled the drain plug.
> Got a few drops!  I pulled the wheels and brake drums.  The axles are not
> leaking.  It does look like the drain plug has been leaking a bit, but
> there never was a puddle on the garage floor.  So where did all the oil go?
>
>   I refilled the diff with Red Line Shock Proof, and used Teflon tape on
> both drain and fill plugs.  Thunderstorms coming through here today so a
> road test will have to wait.
>
> Paul
> Ohio
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>
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 11:17:58 2012
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:17:58 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Leaky differential?
In-Reply-To: <33EA2A0B-4D32-49B0-A611-D42A90CE2299@netscape.net>
References: <CAFEMhEsfUtDWMRMLfZ39UKv=gHJu7Ju5Yh9bCpV-+x=tSq_kcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<33EA2A0B-4D32-49B0-A611-D42A90CE2299@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <001101cd65d2$71f3e800$55dbb800$@net>

I've used teflon tape on the trans plugs to prevent problems with
electrolysis between the steel plugs and the aluminum case. Not a problem
with the diff since the axle housing is steel. Anti-seize compound would
probably work just as well, really.

Gordon Glasgow

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda J
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:06 AM
To: Paul Kort
Cc: Teddy Seidenfeld; Jim Sloan; Roadster Stuff
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Leaky differential?

Is Teflon tape a good idea on the tranny fill and drain plugs?
I don't know where the oil went but doesn't Redline leak thru the seals
easier?

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Coming home from MidOhio a few weeks ago, the differential in my 1969
> 1600 started whining.  The car has a KA24E, 5 speed, and a 3.70 ring & 
> pinion from a 2000.  I crawled underneath today and pulled the drain plug.
> Got a few drops!  I pulled the wheels and brake drums.  The axles are 
> not leaking.  It does look like the drain plug has been leaking a bit, 
> but there never was a puddle on the garage floor.  So where did all the
oil go?
>
>  I refilled the diff with Red Line Shock Proof, and used Teflon tape 
> on both drain and fill plugs.  Thunderstorms coming through here today 
> so a road test will have to wait.
>
> Paul
> Ohio
> ________________________________________
>
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 19 15:11:42 2012
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:11:42 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
Message-ID: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>

A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price was
really good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of
the car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.




I did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and
overdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks
went by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the
driveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was included.
Lots of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to paypal,
since that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend to return
my money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost the fee paypal
charges.




The transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the
input shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows
these, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I
complained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the
transmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so I
complained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my initial
money, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of delivery. So I
did.




Then I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if
there is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy
welched, and Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for
shipping. And a few bucks for the paypal mishap.




The ebay item is: 330744461508




The guys addresses are:



address on invoice is:

DB Business Holdings

372 E Third Street

Corning, N.Y. 14830




address on crate is:

Jason Doughty

2475 Brown Hollow Road

Corning, N.Y. 14830

607-346-3605




And the guys email address is dbbizholdings at gmail.com




His ebay id is db_vintageas




If you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a
shipping/warehouse company.




I now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else.




DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!!

From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 15:33:20 2012
From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:33:20 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
Message-ID: <CAFEMhEvFH1+yndTW=RZNmUpmbsKhAaeSXuLbxCuPR8Ky=ogqoQ@mail.gmail.com>

  When you get your September issue (Yeah September already!) of *Hemmings
Sport & Exotic Car* and you get to page 72, please be aware that is NOT my
roadster pictured above my letter to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in a
photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some how they used a photo of a red
1500!

  I asked about an oil problem with the KA24E in my roadster and he
suggested I should swap it out for a SR20DET.  Not sure what I expected
when I wrote to FIAT with a Nissan problem?  (:0

  On a better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer here
in Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and Tigers.  On page 51 you'll note a
Datsun roadster getting ready to pass him.

Paul
Ohio

From davesmbox at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 16:05:48 2012
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:05:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
References: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>

OK Datsun roadsters have no overdrive transmissions. What car was this for?
Maybe you got duped or maybe just wishfull thinking. I have had wonderfull
experience on ebay. Only got screwed once in 400 transactions.Even bought and
sold cars. Did you look at his feedback?  Just maybe you leaned into it.
Just food for thought


-----Original Message-----
From: dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: Datsun <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:13 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story


A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price was
eally good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of
he car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.


 did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and
verdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks
ent by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the
riveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was included.
ots of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to paypal,
ince that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend to return
y money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost the fee paypal
harges.


he transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the
nput shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows
hese, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I
omplained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the
ransmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so I
omplained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my initial
oney, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of delivery. So I
id.


hen I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if
here is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy
elched, and Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for
hipping. And a few bucks for the paypal mishap.


he ebay item is: 330744461508


he guys addresses are:

address on invoice is:
DB Business Holdings
372 E Third Street
Corning, N.Y. 14830


ddress on crate is:
Jason Doughty
2475 Brown Hollow Road
Corning, N.Y. 14830
607-346-3605


nd the guys email address is dbbizholdings at gmail.com


is ebay id is db_vintageas


f you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a
hipping/warehouse company.


 now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else.


O NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!!
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From cour.jpeg at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 16:36:56 2012
From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:36:56 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <CAFEMhEvFH1+yndTW=RZNmUpmbsKhAaeSXuLbxCuPR8Ky=ogqoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFEMhEvFH1+yndTW=RZNmUpmbsKhAaeSXuLbxCuPR8Ky=ogqoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAC0-o7S9k7+e=Uvu4c0a_Hr3+_szadVNWhY_MmY6O7ZJqcf=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just got the issue!

These cars are becoming so common in print that they just pull out a stock
file photo to illustrate.

Nice viz regardless!
On Jul 19, 2012 5:33 PM, "Paul Kort" <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:

>   When you get your September issue (Yeah September already!) of *Hemmings
> Sport & Exotic Car* and you get to page 72, please be aware that is NOT my
> roadster pictured above my letter to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in a
> photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some how they used a photo of a red
> 1500!
>
>   I asked about an oil problem with the KA24E in my roadster and he
> suggested I should swap it out for a SR20DET.  Not sure what I expected
> when I wrote to FIAT with a Nissan problem?  (:0
>
>   On a better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer here
> in Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and Tigers.  On page 51 you'll note a
> Datsun roadster getting ready to pass him.
>
> Paul
> Ohio
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 16:39:41 2012
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
References: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
	<8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01cd65ff$66aa38f0$33feaad0$@net>

Item #330744461508 does not exist.

Only overdrive trans listed by seller db_vintageas is Item #330762769194,
which is for a 1975 Triumph Spitfire. Since you mention "my British car
mechanic", I'm guessing this was not for a Datsun roadster.

The only Datsun stuff in his store is for Z's.

Seller has 97.3-percent Positive Feedback, though that is no guarantee.

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
davesmbox at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:06 PM
To: sumton at sbcglobal.net
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] sad story

OK Datsun roadsters have no overdrive transmissions. What car was this for?
Maybe you got duped or maybe just wishfull thinking. I have had wonderfull
experience on ebay. Only got screwed once in 400 transactions.Even bought
and sold cars. Did you look at his feedback?  Just maybe you leaned into it.
Just food for thought

-----Original Message-----
From: dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: Datsun <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:13 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story


A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price was
eally good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of he
car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.


 did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and
verdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks
ent by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the
riveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was included.
ots of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to
paypal, ince that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend
to return y money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost the
fee paypal harges.


he transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the
nput shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows
hese, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I
omplained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the
ransmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so I
omplained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my initial
oney, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of delivery. So I
id.


hen I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if
here is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy elched,
and Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for hipping. And a
few bucks for the paypal mishap.


he ebay item is: 330744461508


he guys addresses are:

address on invoice is:
DB Business Holdings
372 E Third Street
Corning, N.Y. 14830


ddress on crate is:
Jason Doughty
2475 Brown Hollow Road
Corning, N.Y. 14830
607-346-3605


nd the guys email address is dbbizholdings at gmail.com


is ebay id is db_vintageas


f you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a
hipping/warehouse company.


 now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else.


O NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!!
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 16:45:57 2012
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:45:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
References: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
	<8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <007301cd6600$43e078b0$cba16a10$@net>

The standard 2000 5-speed is an overdrive trans (5th gear is 0.852:1). I
assumed that's what he meant.

Gordon Glasgow


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davesmbox at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:06 PM
To: sumton at sbcglobal.net
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] sad story

OK Datsun roadsters have no overdrive transmissions. What car was this for?
Maybe you got duped or maybe just wishfull thinking. I have had wonderfull
experience on ebay. Only got screwed once in 400 transactions.Even bought
and sold cars. Did you look at his feedback?  Just maybe you leaned into it.
Just food for thought


-----Original Message-----
From: dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: Datsun <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:13 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story


A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price was
eally good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of he
car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.


 did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and
verdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks
ent by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the
riveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was included.
ots of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to
paypal, ince that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend
to return y money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost the
fee paypal harges.


he transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the
nput shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows
hese, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I
omplained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the
ransmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so I
omplained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my initial
oney, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of delivery. So I
id.


hen I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if
here is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy elched,
and Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for hipping. And a
few bucks for the paypal mishap.


he ebay item is: 330744461508


he guys addresses are:

address on invoice is:
DB Business Holdings
372 E Third Street
Corning, N.Y. 14830


ddress on crate is:
Jason Doughty
2475 Brown Hollow Road
Corning, N.Y. 14830
607-346-3605


nd the guys email address is dbbizholdings at gmail.com


is ebay id is db_vintageas


f you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a
hipping/warehouse company.


 now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else.


O NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!!
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From mark at dealermats.com  Thu Jul 19 16:47:24 2012
From: mark at dealermats.com (Mark Dent)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:47:24 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <00ad01cd65ff$66aa38f0$33feaad0$@net>
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	<8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
	<00ad01cd65ff$66aa38f0$33feaad0$@net>
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330744461508 pulls up a triumph transmission for me under completed listings.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Pete Peters" <ppeters914 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Item #330744461508 does not exist.
>
> Only overdrive trans listed by seller db_vintageas is Item #330762769194,
> which is for a 1975 Triumph Spitfire. Since you mention "my British car
> mechanic", I'm guessing this was not for a Datsun roadster.
>
> The only Datsun stuff in his store is for Z's.
>
> Seller has 97.3-percent Positive Feedback, though that is no guarantee.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> davesmbox at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:06 PM
> To: sumton at sbcglobal.net
> Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] sad story
>
> OK Datsun roadsters have no overdrive transmissions. What car was this for?
> Maybe you got duped or maybe just wishfull thinking. I have had wonderfull
> experience on ebay. Only got screwed once in 400 transactions.Even bought
> and sold cars. Did you look at his feedback?  Just maybe you leaned into
it.
> Just food for thought
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Datsun <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:13 pm
> Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
>
>
> A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price
was
> eally good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of he
> car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.
>
>
> did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and
> verdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks
> ent by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the
> riveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was
included.
> ots of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to
> paypal, ince that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend
> to return y money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost
the
> fee paypal harges.
>
>
> he transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the
> nput shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows
> hese, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I
> omplained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the
> ransmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so I
> omplained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my initial
> oney, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of delivery. So I
> id.
>
>
> hen I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if
> here is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy
elched,
> and Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for hipping. And a
> few bucks for the paypal mishap.
>
>
> he ebay item is: 330744461508
>
>
> he guys addresses are:
>
> address on invoice is:
> DB Business Holdings
> 372 E Third Street
> Corning, N.Y. 14830
>
>
> ddress on crate is:
> Jason Doughty
> 2475 Brown Hollow Road
> Corning, N.Y. 14830
> 607-346-3605
>
>
> nd the guys email address is dbbizholdings at gmail.com
>
>
> is ebay id is db_vintageas
>
>
> f you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a
> hipping/warehouse company.
>
>
> now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else.
>
>
> O NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!!
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From tputland at charter.net  Thu Jul 19 16:49:13 2012
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:49:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
Message-ID: <6097edfe.166008.138a16e3e80.Webtop.47@charter.net>

You say he already has it relisted for sale after getting it back from 
you. Isn't this proof enough for the idiots at evilbay that he indeed 
did get it back?

tim

From davesmbox at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 16:52:09 2012
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:52:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <007301cd6600$43e078b0$cba16a10$@net>
References: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
	<8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
	<007301cd6600$43e078b0$cba16a10$@net>
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He said OD switch



-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
To: davesmbox <davesmbox at aol.com>; sumton <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Roadsters] sad story


The standard 2000 5-speed is an overdrive trans (5th gear is 0.852:1). I
ssumed that's what he meant.
Gordon Glasgow

----Original Message-----
rom: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
avesmbox at aol.com
ent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:06 PM
o: sumton at sbcglobal.net
c: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Roadsters] sad story
OK Datsun roadsters have no overdrive transmissions. What car was this for?
aybe you got duped or maybe just wishfull thinking. I have had wonderfull
xperience on ebay. Only got screwed once in 400 transactions.Even bought
nd sold cars. Did you look at his feedback?  Just maybe you leaned into it.
ust food for thought

----Original Message-----
rom: dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
o: Datsun <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
ent: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:13 pm
ubject: [Roadsters] sad story

 couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price was
ally good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of he
ar, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.

did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and
erdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks
nt by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the
iveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was included.
ts of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to
aypal, ince that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend
o return y money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost the
ee paypal harges.

e transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the
put shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows
ese, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I
mplained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the
ansmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so I
mplained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my initial
ney, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of delivery. So I
d.

en I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if
ere is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy elched,
nd Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for hipping. And a
ew bucks for the paypal mishap.

e ebay item is: 330744461508

e guys addresses are:
address on invoice is:
B Business Holdings
72 E Third Street
orning, N.Y. 14830

dress on crate is:
ason Doughty
475 Brown Hollow Road
orning, N.Y. 14830
07-346-3605

d the guys email address is dbbizholdings at gmail.com

s ebay id is db_vintageas

 you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a
ipping/warehouse company.

now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else.

 NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!!
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 16:52:03 2012
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:52:03 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <C1D129EA-E9E6-4726-A198-6239B0C4D0AA@dealermats.com>
References: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
	<8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
	<00ad01cd65ff$66aa38f0$33feaad0$@net>
	<C1D129EA-E9E6-4726-A198-6239B0C4D0AA@dealermats.com>
Message-ID: <00ae01cd6601$2135d930$63a18b90$@net>

Weird. I searched several times, including completed, and came up blank.

Of course it works now. <rolls eyes>

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dent [mailto:mark at dealermats.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:47 PM
To: Pete Peters
Cc: Datsun Roadster List
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] sad story

330744461508 pulls up a triumph transmission for me under completed
listings. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Pete Peters" <ppeters914 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Item #330744461508 does not exist.

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Jul 19 16:59:54 2012
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:59:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
Message-ID: <2d14d4f9.1661e2.138a1780811.Webtop.47@charter.net>

Maybe it wouldn't come up for because all the rest of us were hitting it 
at the same time? LOL


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Pete Peters wrote:

> Weird. I searched several times, including completed, and came up 
> blank.
>
> Of course it works now. <rolls eyes>
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Dent [mailto:mark at dealermats.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 
> 2012 3:47 PM
> To: Pete Peters
> Cc: Datsun Roadster List
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] sad story
>
> 330744461508 pulls up a triumph transmission for me under completed
> listings.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Pete Peters" <ppeters914 at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Item #330744461508 does not exist.
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From tputland at charter.net  Thu Jul 19 17:08:47 2012
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:08:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] crank differences please
Message-ID: <62b16741.16631d.138a1802a15.Webtop.47@charter.net>

I need a quick reminder of the nose measurements of the 1600 and 2000 
cranks please.

Which one is 3.25"?

Thanks!
tim

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Jul 19 17:31:31 2012
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:31:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] crank differences please
Message-ID: <72a8d86f.16684c.138a194f8c5.Webtop.47@charter.net>

Edit...bump....anyone.....bueller?

Just need to know which one has the long snout please....

I need a quick reminder of the nose measurements of the 1600 and 2000 
cranks please.

Which one is 3.25"?

Thanks!
tim

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 19 17:42:26 2012
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:42:26 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <8CF34184332E77A-195C-2306C@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
References: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
	<8CF3411C925EE6E-195C-22CBD@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
	<007301cd6600$43e078b0$cba16a10$@net>
	<8CF34184332E77A-195C-2306C@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E532738C297C41138EF680B80689ABEF@ranteer.local>

this was a triumph transmission; not nearly as elegant or reliable as a
datsun!

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 17:43:11 2012
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:43:11 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] crank differences please
Message-ID: <1298029499-1342741393-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360268799-@b16.c20.bise6.blackberry>

Thought you had several of each, maybe H20, too. 

Pete
------Original Message------
From: Tim Putland
Sender: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Datsun Roadster List
Subject: [Roadsters] crank differences please
Sent: Jul 19, 2012 4:08 PM

I need a quick reminder of the nose measurements of the 1600 and 2000 
cranks please.

Which one is 3.25"?

Thanks!
tim
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 18:09:03 2012
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:09:03 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] crank differences please
Message-ID: <tp12jck5ct8xehf8a7wur14v.1342742943285@email.android.com>

I'm not at home to measure one but the U20 is longer. It also has two keyways on the snout. 3.25 sounds like a U20.

Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:

>Edit...bump....anyone.....bueller?
>
>Just need to know which one has the long snout please....
>
>I need a quick reminder of the nose measurements of the 1600 and 2000 
>cranks please.
>
>Which one is 3.25"?
>
>Thanks!
>tim
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From tputland at charter.net  Thu Jul 19 18:58:54 2012
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:58:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] crank differences please
Message-ID: <732341b2.16c256.138a1e4fbf4.Webtop.43@charter.net>

What I thought, thanks Gordan.

Hey Pete, I'd had just gotten out of the shower after a run so didn't 
want to get all nasty again digging through that particular part of my 
part zone. Yea, I have a couple cranks including an NOS R16 just not 
really in a clean enough area for me at that time. LOL

Thanks again all

tim


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Gordon Glasgow wrote:

> I'm not at home to measure one but the U20 is longer. It also has two 
> keyways on the snout. 3.25 sounds like a U20.
>
> Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Edit...bump....anyone.....bueller?
>>
>> Just need to know which one has the long snout please....
>>
>> I need a quick reminder of the nose measurements of the 1600 and 2000 
>> cranks please.
>>
>> Which one is 3.25"?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> tim
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>>
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From mhknorr at msn.com  Thu Jul 19 19:17:54 2012
From: mhknorr at msn.com (Michael Knorr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:17:54 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
Message-ID: <COL106-W114BBAB1DF015D557396D9AAD80@phx.gbl>

eBay is a two-way street. A few years ago, I listed an Apple Macintosh. I
listed the Mac honestly. The eventual buyer got into a bidding war with
another person, and finally paid me several hundred dollars more than I
expected to get for the Mac. I felt so damned guilty that I overwrapped the
Mac for shipping and paid for the shipping. Then the buyer came back at me,
saying I ripped him off. Hey, he voluntarily paid for it. There was absolutely
no coercion on my part. Later, I ordered rear brake shoes for my SPL on eBay
and discovered I could have bought them at my local Nissan dealer for a lot
less. As for the tranny, I wouldn't pay -- at least on eBay -- money for a
part that never came with an SPL or SRL. Caveat Emptor!

From roadster at astound.net  Thu Jul 19 19:38:08 2012
From: roadster at astound.net (Fred Katz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:38:08 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
References: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <7111BBBC-97AE-4EFA-94C0-41AA96082E05@astound.net>

I've done hundreds of deals on eBay with few problems. I've run into a few bad
deals. Always do package tracking when you sell, and pack the item securely.
Always require signature upon delivery, as well as insurance when you sell an
expensive item. I had one guy wait several months after a sale before he
demanded a refund for not receiving an item. I produced the proof of signature
at delivery, which proved he signed for it and that shut him up. I keep
organized documentation for years.

As for buying, a seller didn't send the item and didn't respond to multiple
inquiries, so I requested his phone number from eBay. Surprised him when I
called and demanded a refund. He didn't have the item and said he didn't have
the money. I accused him of grand theft and told him the authorities would
deal with him, and eBay gave me a full refund.

A couple other sellers misrepresented their goods, and I worked out
compromises with them (partial or full refunds), and we parted on good terms
with each other. Not all sellers are evil when they fudge the facts, you can
usually work out something with them. One gave a full refund and told me to
keep the item. Another allowed me to choose an alternative item he was
selling, worth twice as much and allowed me to keep the original item.

It's hard for both buyer and seller to return something, so sellers may be
willing to work something out to the buyer's advantage.

Fred -

On Jul 19, 2012, at 2:11 PM, "dave n" <sumton at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price
was
> really good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of
> the car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.

From plhbauman at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 22:23:39 2012
From: plhbauman at earthlink.net (Paul Bauman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:23:39 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Red roadster in Garden Grove, CA
Message-ID: <5008DD4B.3010402@earthlink.net>

I keep seeing a red roadster on my way to work in the morning on Garden 
Grove Blvd near Beach Blvd. I can never get close enough to see it 
clearly, though I'm pretty sure it's a low windshield. Anyone on the 
list? And I thought I was the only daily driver in these here parts...

Paul Bauman
Westminster, CA
67 1600

From robbieharrison at comcast.net  Fri Jul 20 06:39:15 2012
From: robbieharrison at comcast.net (Robbie Harrison)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:39:15 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story
In-Reply-To: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
References: <ECE535A7DD354E6CBF8FC8FB2446569D@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <002401cd6674$b23e4fc0$16baef40$@comcast.net>

Since he has relisted it, I'd ask questions like "Isn't this the same
defective transmission that you sold me? Why did you stiff me on the refund
when I sent it back?" using the "Ask seller a question" link at the bottom
of the ad. I don't know if the seller has control over what messages get
displayed, so this probably won't actually work, but it is worth a try.
Robbie Harrison
Still has 2 free 1600's in northern NC, just come pick them up


-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave n
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:12 PM
To: Datsun
Subject: [Roadsters] sad story

A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price was
really good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of
the car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.




I did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and
overdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks
went by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the
driveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was
included.
Lots of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to
paypal, since that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend
to return my money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost
the fee paypal charges.




The transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the
input shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows
these, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I
complained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the
transmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so
I complained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my
initial money, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of
delivery. So I did.




Then I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if
there is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy
welched, and Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for
shipping. And a few bucks for the paypal mishap.




The ebay item is: 330744461508




The guys addresses are:



address on invoice is:

DB Business Holdings

372 E Third Street

Corning, N.Y. 14830




address on crate is:

Jason Doughty

2475 Brown Hollow Road

Corning, N.Y. 14830

607-346-3605




And the guys email address is dbbizholdings at gmail.com




His ebay id is db_vintageas




If you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a
shipping/warehouse company.




I now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else.




DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!!
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 21 02:19:48 2012
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 01:19:48 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Martin Swig Memorial drive
In-Reply-To: <002c01cd6547$f786ea70$e694bf50$@com>
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Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN]
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From dscrib2 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 21 06:23:34 2012
From: dscrib2 at hotmail.com (Dana Scribner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 08:23:34 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Cams
Message-ID: <SNT141-W287B00EA4246F17830B5ADF0DF0@phx.gbl>

I have some questions about cams.I have been told the it is time to replace my
standard cam. I understand that they are no longer available. Has anyone had
one welded and reground? How did that work out? Anything to look out for? was
it cost effective?Since I can't get a new cam I will have to go to a B cam.
Being a SU guy will I see any difference when I switch cams? Dana S 1969 2000

From mhatch at ics.com  Sat Jul 21 08:19:34 2012
From: mhatch at ics.com (Mark Hatch)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:19:34 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Cams
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W287B00EA4246F17830B5ADF0DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT141-W287B00EA4246F17830B5ADF0DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <32f67edbf30a3aa6006674c4129527fc@mail.gmail.com>

Dana.



(Hello from Califb&)



I have a b cam in my 2000 with SUbs. My impression is that the idle is
slightly rougher and so Steve Kiser had to set the idle speed a little
rougher.  bCommon wisdomb is that there should be some additional HP, but
I
cannot validate thatb&.



Mark



*From:* Dana Scribner [mailto:dscrib2 at hotmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:24 AM
*To:* datsun roadsters; drone
*Subject:* Cams



I have some questions about cams.
I have been told the it is time to replace my standard cam. I understand
that they are no longer available. Has anyone had one welded and reground?
How did that work out? Anything to look out for? was it cost effective?
Since I can't get a new cam I will have to go to a B cam. Being a SU guy
will I see any difference when I switch cams?

Dana S
1969 2000

From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 08:38:01 2012
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:38:01 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Cams
In-Reply-To: <32f67edbf30a3aa6006674c4129527fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT141-W287B00EA4246F17830B5ADF0DF0@phx.gbl>
	<32f67edbf30a3aa6006674c4129527fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMHhs6eAKTQJeL9M_Gx=e=WdyTv9-B6e4De=1dBViFaXFzU3Kw@mail.gmail.com>

The "B" cam was designed to work with the dual Solex intake setup and
produces max power at higher revs than the standard cam. Frankly I doubt
there's any useable benefit unless you change from the SUs to the Solexs
and maybe swap in the 3.90 diff center section from a 1600.

Les (CDM) may have some good used cams, both "A" and "B" grinds. Or you can
contact Schneider Cams, Web Cams or another cam outfit. You'll need new
rockers and lash pads, too, especially if the "new" cam is a regrind. You
really shouldn't just swap in another cam for your current one.

FWIW,
Ron

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Mark Hatch <mhatch at ics.com> wrote:

> Dana.
>
>
>
> (Hello from Califb&)
>
>
>
> I have a b cam in my 2000 with SUb s. My impression is that the idle is
> slightly rougher and so Steve Kiser had to set the idle speed a little
> rougher.  b Common wisdomb  is that there should be some additional HP, but
> I
> cannot validate thatb&.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Dana Scribner [mailto:dscrib2 at hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:24 AM
> *To:* datsun roadsters; drone
> *Subject:* Cams
>
>
>
> I have some questions about cams.
> I have been told the it is time to replace my standard cam. I understand
> that they are no longer available. Has anyone had one welded and reground?
> How did that work out? Anything to look out for? was it cost effective?
> Since I can't get a new cam I will have to go to a B cam. Being a SU guy
> will I see any difference when I switch cams?
>
> Dana S
> 1969 2000
> ________________________________________
>
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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sat Jul 21 10:36:10 2012
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Cams
Message-ID: <2450d.3ad566c8.3d3c347a@aol.com>

Actually the B cam with SU carbs is a nice setup. Most of the HP gain going 
 fro A cam with SUs to the B cam with Solex carbs is in the cam not the 
carbs.  The solex carbs give you a lot more misadjustability and a little more 
power.  Unless you need the ability to tune the carbs for the track 
condition that day I  would recommend the SU carbs and a B cam. The B cam does have 
a little rougher  idle but not bad.
 
keith williams
 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2012 7:39:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ronnie.day at gmail.com writes:

The "B"  cam was designed to work with the dual Solex intake setup and
produces max  power at higher revs than the standard cam. Frankly I doubt
there's any  useable benefit unless you change from the SUs to the Solexs
and maybe swap  in the 3.90 diff center section from a 1600.

Les (CDM) may have some  good used cams, both "A" and "B" grinds. Or you can
contact Schneider Cams,  Web Cams or another cam outfit. You'll need new
rockers and lash pads, too,  especially if the "new" cam is a regrind. You
really shouldn't just swap in  another cam for your current one.

FWIW,
Ron

On Sat, Jul 21,  2012 at 9:19 AM, Mark Hatch <mhatch at ics.com> wrote:

>  Dana.
>
>
>
> (Hello from  Califb&)
>
>
>
> I have a b cam in my 2000 with  SUb s. My impression is that the idle is
> slightly rougher and so Steve  Kiser had to set the idle speed a little
> rougher.  b Common  wisdomb  is that there should be some additional HP, 
but
>  I
> cannot validate thatb&.
>
>
>
>  Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Dana Scribner  [mailto:dscrib2 at hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:24  AM
> *To:* datsun roadsters; drone
> *Subject:*  Cams
>
>
>
> I have some questions about cams.
>  I have been told the it is time to replace my standard cam. I  understand
> that they are no longer available. Has anyone had one  welded and 
reground?
> How did that work out? Anything to look out for?  was it cost effective?
> Since I can't get a new cam I will have to go  to a B cam. Being a SU guy
> will I see any difference when I switch  cams?
>
> Dana S
> 1969 2000
>  ________________________________________
>
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 21 11:11:29 2012
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:11:29 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Hollywood Doadster for Sale - $2000
Message-ID: <SNT106-W51B917B4E22F8E815C026BDFDF0@phx.gbl>

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/pts/3116536341.html

wish I had a trailer

Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN]
818 448 3181

From geegc at aol.com  Sat Jul 21 12:42:07 2012
From: geegc at aol.com (geegc at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:42:07 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Cams
In-Reply-To: <2450d.3ad566c8.3d3c347a@aol.com>
References: <2450d.3ad566c8.3d3c347a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <503389037-1342896126-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1074385454-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry>

Agreed. My old black 2000 had the B and solexes. They are the worst. So I switched to SUs. Worked fine. 

Gary C 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith0alan at aol.com
Sender: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:36:10 
To: <ronnie.day at gmail.com>; <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cams

Actually the B cam with SU carbs is a nice setup. Most of the HP gain going 
 fro A cam with SUs to the B cam with Solex carbs is in the cam not the 
carbs.  The solex carbs give you a lot more misadjustability and a little more 
power.  Unless you need the ability to tune the carbs for the track 
condition that day I  would recommend the SU carbs and a B cam. The B cam does have 
a little rougher  idle but not bad.
 
keith williams
 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2012 7:39:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ronnie.day at gmail.com writes:

The "B"  cam was designed to work with the dual Solex intake setup and
produces max  power at higher revs than the standard cam. Frankly I doubt
there's any  useable benefit unless you change from the SUs to the Solexs
and maybe swap  in the 3.90 diff center section from a 1600.

Les (CDM) may have some  good used cams, both "A" and "B" grinds. Or you can
contact Schneider Cams,  Web Cams or another cam outfit. You'll need new
rockers and lash pads, too,  especially if the "new" cam is a regrind. You
really shouldn't just swap in  another cam for your current one.

FWIW,
Ron

On Sat, Jul 21,  2012 at 9:19 AM, Mark Hatch <mhatch at ics.com> wrote:

>  Dana.
>
>
>
> (Hello from  Califb&)
>
>
>
> I have a b cam in my 2000 with  SUb s. My impression is that the idle is
> slightly rougher and so Steve  Kiser had to set the idle speed a little
> rougher.  b Common  wisdomb  is that there should be some additional HP, 
but
>  I
> cannot validate thatb&.
>
>
>
>  Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Dana Scribner  [mailto:dscrib2 at hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:24  AM
> *To:* datsun roadsters; drone
> *Subject:*  Cams
>
>
>
> I have some questions about cams.
>  I have been told the it is time to replace my standard cam. I  understand
> that they are no longer available. Has anyone had one  welded and 
reground?
> How did that work out? Anything to look out for?  was it cost effective?
> Since I can't get a new cam I will have to go  to a B cam. Being a SU guy
> will I see any difference when I switch  cams?
>
> Dana S
> 1969 2000
>  ________________________________________
>
>  datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>
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From dscrib2 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 21 13:11:02 2012
From: dscrib2 at hotmail.com (Dana Scribner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:11:02 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] More questions
Message-ID: <SNT141-W28F19F679CA527EC6BEE56F0DF0@phx.gbl>

So I put a B cam in my SU roadster. I went to set the valve at clearance and
looked in my Datsun manual and it said intake 0.012" exhaust 0.008" hot for
some reason ( this is when I get into trouble) I looked in a Chilton manual
and double check that info in another manual I have and they both said the
reverse intake 0.008" exhaust 0.012" hot. I have been using the Datsun setting
for years but I found this interesting. Now for the carb questions. I can get
hem balanced good but I can only get them to idle at 1200-1500 rpm and it
didn't matter if it was with a standard or B cam the problem is the same. When
I try to bring the rpms down and I'm talking a turning the idle screws a very
thin hair the rpms drop to 500 and keeps on going down until it stalls out. I
am running points and the springs in the distributor are new recurved ones and
the weights are correct. The timing is right on without the vacuum attached. I
have sprayed starter fluid around the intake manifold to looking for leaks and
didn't find any. What am I missing or should be looking for. Thanks for all
the help Dana S

From fred.davidson at diversia.ca  Sat Jul 21 18:06:03 2012
From: fred.davidson at diversia.ca (Fred Davidson)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:06:03 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] More questions
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W28F19F679CA527EC6BEE56F0DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT141-W28F19F679CA527EC6BEE56F0DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001cd679d$c9155fc0$5b401f40$@diversia.ca>

Hi Dana:

A electronic distributor makes a lot of difference in helping set up the
carbs and/or timing.  I first started out with Pertronix to replace points
and found it made an obvious difference.  I later installed a "Gary Boone"
distributor many years ago, when he started  he started making them and
there was even more improvement.  As you know I am running B cam & Solex
carbs for 20+ years and I can get my  Roadster to idle at 700 rpm but
usually have it set around 900 or 1000. The electronic distributors sold now
are equal or better than mine.

Fred 

'69 Datsun 2000


-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dana Scribner
Sent: July-21-12 3:11 PM
To: datsun roadsters; drone
Subject: [Roadsters] More questions

So I put a B cam in my SU roadster. I went to set the valve at clearance and
looked in my Datsun manual and it said intake 0.012" exhaust 0.008" hot for
some reason ( this is when I get into trouble) I looked in a Chilton manual
and double check that info in another manual I have and they both said the
reverse intake 0.008" exhaust 0.012" hot. I have been using the Datsun
setting for years but I found this interesting. Now for the carb questions.
I can get hem balanced good but I can only get them to idle at 1200-1500 rpm
and it didn't matter if it was with a standard or B cam the problem is the
same. When I try to bring the rpms down and I'm talking a turning the idle
screws a very thin hair the rpms drop to 500 and keeps on going down until
it stalls out. I am running points and the springs in the distributor are
new recurved ones and the weights are correct. The timing is right on
without the vacuum attached. I have sprayed starter fluid around the intake
manifold to looking for leaks and didn't find any. What am I missing or
should be looking for. Thanks for all the help Dana S
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From RWM at RWMann.com  Sat Jul 21 18:16:18 2012
From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:16:18 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] More questions
In-Reply-To: <000001cd679d$c9155fc0$5b401f40$@diversia.ca>
References: <SNT141-W28F19F679CA527EC6BEE56F0DF0@phx.gbl>
	<000001cd679d$c9155fc0$5b401f40$@diversia.ca>
Message-ID: <500B4652.7040608@RWMann.com>

This has been my experience as well -- ~800 RPM idle, warm

- Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex-B-GBoone-MSD


On 7/21/2012 8:06 PM, Fred Davidson wrote:
> Hi Dana:
>
> A electronic distributor makes a lot of difference in helping set up the
> carbs and/or timing.  I first started out with Pertronix to replace points
> and found it made an obvious difference.  I later installed a "Gary Boone"
> distributor many years ago, when he started  he started making them and
> there was even more improvement.  As you know I am running B cam & Solex
> carbs for 20+ years and I can get my  Roadster to idle at 700 rpm but
> usually have it set around 900 or 1000. The electronic distributors sold now
> are equal or better than mine.
>
> Fred
>
> '69 Datsun 2000
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dana Scribner
> Sent: July-21-12 3:11 PM
> To: datsun roadsters; drone
> Subject: [Roadsters] More questions
>
> So I put a B cam in my SU roadster. I went to set the valve at clearance and
> looked in my Datsun manual and it said intake 0.012" exhaust 0.008" hot for
> some reason ( this is when I get into trouble) I looked in a Chilton manual
> and double check that info in another manual I have and they both said the
> reverse intake 0.008" exhaust 0.012" hot. I have been using the Datsun
> setting for years but I found this interesting. Now for the carb questions.
> I can get hem balanced good but I can only get them to idle at 1200-1500 rpm
> and it didn't matter if it was with a standard or B cam the problem is the
> same. When I try to bring the rpms down and I'm talking a turning the idle
> screws a very thin hair the rpms drop to 500 and keeps on going down until
> it stalls out. I am running points and the springs in the distributor are
> new recurved ones and the weights are correct. The timing is right on
> without the vacuum attached. I have sprayed starter fluid around the intake
> manifold to looking for leaks and didn't find any. What am I missing or
> should be looking for. Thanks for all the help Dana S
> ________________________________________

From jake7140 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 21 23:31:08 2012
From: jake7140 at yahoo.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2539.1342737909.2453.datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.2539.1342737909.2453.datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1342935068.74387.YahooMailNeo@web162902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Indeed, a less than stellar response.  But I was happy to see another roadster
in print, and one I actually knew!  Sometimes quality can be a problem when
pictures goes into print, but couldn't they at least get the right car?  It is
a car magazine after all.

Ahhh, OK, off my roadster-phile whiney box, its
trivial.

Now, get going on the SR20DET conversion Paul, everyone does it! 
It's a snap!

 
Steve

Steve's racing web site
www.NoNameRacing.com
Elkhart
Lake Racing & Sipping Society
www.elrss.com
         
________________________________

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:33:20
-0400
From: Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com>
To: Roadster Stuff
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
Message-ID:
   
<CAFEMhEvFH1+yndTW=RZNmUpmbsKhAaeSXuLbxCuPR8Ky=ogqoQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

  When you get your September
issue (Yeah September already!) of *Hemmings
Sport & Exotic Car* and you get
to page 72, please be aware that is NOT my
roadster pictured above my letter
to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in a
photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some
how they used a photo of a red
1500!

  I asked about an oil problem with the
KA24E in my roadster and he
suggested I should swap it out for a SR20DET.  Not
sure what I expected
when I wrote to FIAT with a Nissan problem?  (:0

  On a
better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer here
in
Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and Tigers.  On page 51 you'll note a
Datsun
roadster getting ready to pass him.

Paul
Ohio

From wilrobasy at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 22 05:19:08 2012
From: wilrobasy at hotmail.com (robert williams)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:19:08 +1000
Subject: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
Message-ID: <BAY150-W3313942C8EA4AE293E2E7A9DE0@phx.gbl>

I have purchased the full rubber seal kit from Dean, working through the
 rebuild and now trying to glue the boot (trunk) lid seal to the boot
lid. I have tried two different brands of purpose marketed weather seal
stirp glue from autoshops. Both stick really well to the car but
struggle to stay glued to the rubber seal itself. Has anyone found
success with a brand of rubber glue that works for these seals?

From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 11:53:10 2012
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:53:10 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
In-Reply-To: <BAY150-W3313942C8EA4AE293E2E7A9DE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY150-W3313942C8EA4AE293E2E7A9DE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMHhs6dFM+exMOe3zvtYLEJ4gxg2z4AOdaqxqhK1q-D7+Kidvw@mail.gmail.com>

If you didn't clean the rubber you need to do that. There's typically a
mold release agent on it that's designed to keep it from sticking to
anything. Others may offer opinions, but I'd start with 91% or higher
isopropyl alcohol on a clean cloth. If that doesn't help you might try
acetone, naphtha or lacquer thiner, but I'd try these on an isolated spot
first to make sure they don't desolve the rubber. Clean the metal surfaces,
too.

I've found that most of these adhesives work best with careful, light
applications of the goop on both the metal and the rubber, letting the
stuff get tacky, then adding another light application to one surface or
the other and then holding the seal in place with something like painters
tape for an hour or so while the adhesive bonds. Don't use duct or gaffers
tape. Either are likely to pull the seal loose when you pull the tape off.

Can't hurt to call Dean, either.

HTH,
Ron

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:19 AM, robert williams <wilrobasy at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I have purchased the full rubber seal kit from Dean, working through the
>  rebuild and now trying to glue the boot (trunk) lid seal to the boot
> lid. I have tried two different brands of purpose marketed weather seal
> stirp glue from autoshops. Both stick really well to the car but
> struggle to stay glued to the rubber seal itself. Has anyone found
> success with a brand of rubber glue that works for these seals?
> ________________________________________
>
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 22 13:06:52 2012
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:06:52 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6dFM+exMOe3zvtYLEJ4gxg2z4AOdaqxqhK1q-D7+Kidvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY150-W3313942C8EA4AE293E2E7A9DE0@phx.gbl>,
	<CAMHhs6dFM+exMOe3zvtYLEJ4gxg2z4AOdaqxqhK1q-D7+Kidvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT106-W30AA9D13389602CE133925DFDE0@phx.gbl>

Of course you can just leave it in the groove in the body instead of fixing it
to the lid. But it all works much better if you take the lid off and let
gravity work in your favour. 3M makes a very good weatherstrip adhesive. Bit
messy, but powerful. Think it is 3155 or something like that,
FWIW

Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN]
818 448 3181


> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:53:10 -0500
> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
>
> If you didn't clean the rubber you need to do that. There's typically a
> mold release agent on it that's designed to keep it from sticking to
> anything. Others may offer opinions, but I'd start with 91% or higher
> isopropyl alcohol on a clean cloth. If that doesn't help you might try
> acetone, naphtha or lacquer thiner, but I'd try these on an isolated spot
> first to make sure they don't desolve the rubber. Clean the metal surfaces,
> too.
>
> I've found that most of these adhesives work best with careful, light
> applications of the goop on both the metal and the rubber, letting the
> stuff get tacky, then adding another light application to one surface or
> the other and then holding the seal in place with something like painters
> tape for an hour or so while the adhesive bonds. Don't use duct or gaffers
> tape. Either are likely to pull the seal loose when you pull the tape off.
>
> Can't hurt to call Dean, either.
>
> HTH,
> Ron
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:19 AM, robert williams
<wilrobasy at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I have purchased the full rubber seal kit from Dean, working through the
> >  rebuild and now trying to glue the boot (trunk) lid seal to the boot
> > lid. I have tried two different brands of purpose marketed weather seal
> > stirp glue from autoshops. Both stick really well to the car but
> > struggle to stay glued to the rubber seal itself. Has anyone found
> > success with a brand of rubber glue that works for these seals?
> > ________________________________________
> >
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> >
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From muncie4spd2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 22 15:13:50 2012
From: muncie4spd2002 at yahoo.com (muncie4spd2002 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:13:50 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Body rack
Message-ID: <4E93C57B-6EA8-41E2-9ACF-28CC18DE9C5D@yahoo.com>

Hi all. I built Mark Sedlack's body rack and am now done with it. I was taki=
ng it apart as I want to re-use the casters when I realized some roadster ow=
ner may want the wood structure. I'll donate it to a member of Roadster 
Nation if interested. I'm located in Burien WA.  Contact me off list.

Mike
68 2L



Sent from my iPhone

From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 04:12:11 2012
From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 06:12:11 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Body rack
In-Reply-To: <4E93C57B-6EA8-41E2-9ACF-28CC18DE9C5D@yahoo.com>
References: <4E93C57B-6EA8-41E2-9ACF-28CC18DE9C5D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFEMhEsni_RRRJWang942aq3HoAjM1ozJRou=8joHsKtnAFViA@mail.gmail.com>

  At Sloan Racing, we still have Mark's original rack.  It has been used on
a couple cars, and has held up a 1600 awaiting further work for years now.
It work swell and it's amazing how easy it is to sprin a roadster body.

Paul
Ohio

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 5:13 PM, <muncie4spd2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all. I built Mark Sedlack's body rack and am now done with it. I was
> taki=
> ng it apart as I want to re-use the casters when I realized some roadster
> ow=
> ner may want the wood structure. I'll donate it to a member of Roadster
> Nation if interested. I'm located in Burien WA.  Contact me off list.
>
> Mike
> 68 2L
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
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From cour.jpeg at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 06:41:53 2012
From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:41:53 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <CAAC0-o7S9k7+e=Uvu4c0a_Hr3+_szadVNWhY_MmY6O7ZJqcf=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFEMhEvFH1+yndTW=RZNmUpmbsKhAaeSXuLbxCuPR8Ky=ogqoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAC0-o7S9k7+e=Uvu4c0a_Hr3+_szadVNWhY_MmY6O7ZJqcf=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAC0-o6AQiAQmoTEEQKv4fhqSKCe4Gai+iV8O2LM5kwmLQactQ@mail.gmail.com>

In the same issue is a '69 1600 with photo, among the auction
narratives in the back. In the short summary, the writer notes
valuations are higher for earlier, low-windshield variants, but I have
to wonder whether that's broadly true beyond the celebrated factory
configuration of a 2L with the Mikuni/Solex setup.

For market value, numerically there are far more examples of '68-'70
to pick from, both 1600 and 2000 engine types. And I've found safety
appreciation of the dual circuit brake system not found in the
low-windshield models. Seems to me the chance is higher among later
models of finding a creampuff going for top dollar.

Paul
Annapolis


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just got the issue!
>
> These cars are becoming so common in print that they just pull out a stock
> file photo to illustrate.
>
> Nice viz regardless!
>
> On Jul 19, 2012 5:33 PM, "Paul Kort" <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   When you get your September issue (Yeah September already!) of *Hemmings
>> Sport & Exotic Car* and you get to page 72, please be aware that is NOT my
>> roadster pictured above my letter to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in a
>> photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some how they used a photo of a red
>> 1500!
>>
>>   I asked about an oil problem with the KA24E in my roadster and he
>> suggested I should swap it out for a SR20DET.  Not sure what I expected
>> when I wrote to FIAT with a Nissan problem?  (:0
>>
>>   On a better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer
>> here
>> in Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and Tigers.  On page 51 you'll note a
>> Datsun roadster getting ready to pass him.
>>
>> Paul
>> Ohio
>> ________________________________________
>>
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>>
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From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 07:03:05 2012
From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:03:05 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <CAAC0-o6AQiAQmoTEEQKv4fhqSKCe4Gai+iV8O2LM5kwmLQactQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFEMhEvFH1+yndTW=RZNmUpmbsKhAaeSXuLbxCuPR8Ky=ogqoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAC0-o7S9k7+e=Uvu4c0a_Hr3+_szadVNWhY_MmY6O7ZJqcf=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAC0-o6AQiAQmoTEEQKv4fhqSKCe4Gai+iV8O2LM5kwmLQactQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFEMhEvpYSqzbOh9t-j4Bj6CVdFUdsMk3FZBr7J8nnoTPRih7Q@mail.gmail.com>

  I think the early flat dash, low windshield models usually sell for more
because they are rarer.  The late model ones are safer to drive because of
the dual brake system and much better roll over protection and head rests.
But then compared to modern cars, they are all just rolling coffins.

Paul

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the same issue is a '69 1600 with photo, among the auction
> narratives in the back. In the short summary, the writer notes
> valuations are higher for earlier, low-windshield variants, but I have
> to wonder whether that's broadly true beyond the celebrated factory
> configuration of a 2L with the Mikuni/Solex setup.
>
> For market value, numerically there are far more examples of '68-'70
> to pick from, both 1600 and 2000 engine types. And I've found safety
> appreciation of the dual circuit brake system not found in the
> low-windshield models. Seems to me the chance is higher among later
> models of finding a creampuff going for top dollar.
>
> Paul
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just got the issue!
> >
> > These cars are becoming so common in print that they just pull out a
> stock
> > file photo to illustrate.
> >
> > Nice viz regardless!
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2012 5:33 PM, "Paul Kort" <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>   When you get your September issue (Yeah September already!) of
> *Hemmings
> >> Sport & Exotic Car* and you get to page 72, please be aware that is NOT
> my
> >> roadster pictured above my letter to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in a
> >> photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some how they used a photo of a red
> >> 1500!
> >>
> >>   I asked about an oil problem with the KA24E in my roadster and he
> >> suggested I should swap it out for a SR20DET.  Not sure what I expected
> >> when I wrote to FIAT with a Nissan problem?  (:0
> >>
> >>   On a better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer
> >> here
> >> in Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and Tigers.  On page 51 you'll
> note a
> >> Datsun roadster getting ready to pass him.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> Ohio
> >> ________________________________________
> >>
> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> >>
> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> >>
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From rksmith46 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 23 08:56:45 2012
From: rksmith46 at hotmail.com (robert k. smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:56:45 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
In-Reply-To: <BAY150-W3313942C8EA4AE293E2E7A9DE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY150-W3313942C8EA4AE293E2E7A9DE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY145-W206E06E431833EA0134056BFDD0@phx.gbl>

hi, ive found that, when they make the rubber gasket, they
put some release agent on the rubber during manufacture.
i put brake cleaner on a rag, and clean any residue on the
side of the seal, i want to stick to the trunk lid. once you
get that stuff off, the glue should work ok.
   best of luck, bob smith, SRL 311

> From: wilrobasy at hotmail.com
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:19:08 +1000
> Subject: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
>
> I have purchased the full rubber seal kit from Dean, working through the
>  rebuild and now trying to glue the boot (trunk) lid seal to the boot
> lid. I have tried two different brands of purpose marketed weather seal
> stirp glue from autoshops. Both stick really well to the car but
> struggle to stay glued to the rubber seal itself. Has anyone found
> success with a brand of rubber glue that works for these seals?
> ________________________________________
>
> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>
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From rksmith46 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 23 08:59:24 2012
From: rksmith46 at hotmail.com (robert k. smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6dFM+exMOe3zvtYLEJ4gxg2z4AOdaqxqhK1q-D7+Kidvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY150-W3313942C8EA4AE293E2E7A9DE0@phx.gbl>,
	<CAMHhs6dFM+exMOe3zvtYLEJ4gxg2z4AOdaqxqhK1q-D7+Kidvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY145-W115767C8AF14CEE792F9C7BFDD0@phx.gbl>

hi, all sorry for the duplicate "fix". i hadnt read all of the
emails, yet.    bob smith

> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:53:10 -0500
> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
>
> If you didn't clean the rubber you need to do that. There's typically a
> mold release agent on it that's designed to keep it from sticking to
> anything. Others may offer opinions, but I'd start with 91% or higher
> isopropyl alcohol on a clean cloth. If that doesn't help you might try
> acetone, naphtha or lacquer thiner, but I'd try these on an isolated spot
> first to make sure they don't desolve the rubber. Clean the metal surfaces,
> too.
>
> I've found that most of these adhesives work best with careful, light
> applications of the goop on both the metal and the rubber, letting the
> stuff get tacky, then adding another light application to one surface or
> the other and then holding the seal in place with something like painters
> tape for an hour or so while the adhesive bonds. Don't use duct or gaffers
> tape. Either are likely to pull the seal loose when you pull the tape off.
>
> Can't hurt to call Dean, either.
>
> HTH,
> Ron
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:19 AM, robert williams
<wilrobasy at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I have purchased the full rubber seal kit from Dean, working through the
> >  rebuild and now trying to glue the boot (trunk) lid seal to the boot
> > lid. I have tried two different brands of purpose marketed weather seal
> > stirp glue from autoshops. Both stick really well to the car but
> > struggle to stay glued to the rubber seal itself. Has anyone found
> > success with a brand of rubber glue that works for these seals?
> > ________________________________________
> >
> > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 23 09:03:16 2012
From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <CAFEMhEvpYSqzbOh9t-j4Bj6CVdFUdsMk3FZBr7J8nnoTPRih7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1343055796.27004.YahooMailClassic@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Rolling coffins"? Harsh...

--- On Mon, 7/23/12, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
To: "Paul Courson" <cour.jpeg at gmail.com>
Cc: "Roadster Stuff" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, July 23, 2012, 6:03 AM

  I think the early flat dash, low windshield models usually sell for more
because they are rarer.  The late model ones are safer to drive because of
the dual brake system and much better roll over protection and head rests.
But then compared to modern cars, they are all just rolling coffins.

Paul

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the same issue is a '69 1600 with photo, among the auction
> narratives in the back. In the short summary, the writer notes
> valuations are higher for earlier, low-windshield variants, but I have
> to wonder whether that's broadly true beyond the celebrated factory
> configuration of a 2L with the Mikuni/Solex setup.
>
> For market value, numerically there are far more examples of '68-'70
> to pick from, both 1600 and 2000 engine types. And I've found safety
> appreciation of the dual circuit brake system not found in the
> low-windshield models. Seems to me the chance is higher among later
> models of finding a creampuff going for top dollar.
>
> Paul
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just got the issue!
> >
> > These cars are becoming so common in print that they just pull out a
> stock
> > file photo to illustrate.
> >
> > Nice viz regardless!
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2012 5:33 PM, "Paul Kort" <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>   When you get your September issue (Yeah September already!) of
> *Hemmings
> >> Sport & Exotic Car* and you get to page 72, please be aware that is NOT
> my
> >> roadster pictured above my letter to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in a
> >> photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some how they used a photo of a red
> >> 1500!
> >>
> >>   I asked about an oil problem with the KA24E in my roadster and he
> >> suggested I should swap it out for a SR20DET.  Not sure what I expected
> >> when I wrote to FIAT with a Nissan problem?  (:0
> >>
> >>   On a better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer
> >> here
> >> in Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and Tigers.  On page 51 you'll
> note a
> >> Datsun roadster getting ready to pass him.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> Ohio
> >> ________________________________________
> >>
> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> >>
> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> >>
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 10:06:27 2012
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:06:27 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] More questions
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W28F19F679CA527EC6BEE56F0DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT141-W28F19F679CA527EC6BEE56F0DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001cd68ed$1e5ece80$5b1c6b80$@net>

The correct spec is .008" on the intake and .012" on the exhaust. The
exhaust valves are exposed to more heat so the valve stem expands more, thus
the need for higher clearance. The intakes at least get a quick "bath" of
cold intake charge each cycle, as opposed to the constant ~1400 F of the
exhaust gas.

Gordon Glasgow

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dana Scribner
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:11 PM
To: datsun roadsters; drone
Subject: [Roadsters] More questions

So I put a B cam in my SU roadster. I went to set the valve at clearance and
looked in my Datsun manual and it said intake 0.012" exhaust 0.008" hot for
some reason ( this is when I get into trouble) I looked in a Chilton manual
and double check that info in another manual I have and they both said the
reverse intake 0.008" exhaust 0.012" hot. I have been using the Datsun
setting for years but I found this interesting. Now for the carb questions.
I can get hem balanced good but I can only get them to idle at 1200-1500 rpm
and it didn't matter if it was with a standard or B cam the problem is the
same. When I try to bring the rpms down and I'm talking a turning the idle
screws a very thin hair the rpms drop to 500 and keeps on going down until
it stalls out. I am running points and the springs in the distributor are
new recurved ones and the weights are correct. The timing is right on
without the vacuum attached. I have sprayed starter fluid around the intake
manifold to looking for leaks and didn't find any. What am I missing or
should be looking for. Thanks for all the help Dana S
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From datsunpartsdotcom at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 10:33:34 2012
From: datsunpartsdotcom at yahoo.com (datsun parts.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:33:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
In-Reply-To: <BAY145-W115767C8AF14CEE792F9C7BFDD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY150-W3313942C8EA4AE293E2E7A9DE0@phx.gbl>,
	<CAMHhs6dFM+exMOe3zvtYLEJ4gxg2z4AOdaqxqhK1q-D7+Kidvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY145-W115767C8AF14CEE792F9C7BFDD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1343061214.23962.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

You guys have it all figured out and are right on the money. I also sent
similar info to him. Thanks for the guidance you give here.

Dean
________________________________
 From: robert k. smith
<rksmith46 at hotmail.com>
To: roadster list <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] boot lid rubber
seal glue
 
hi, all sorry for the duplicate "fix". i hadnt read all of the
emails, yet.    bob smith

> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:53:10 -0500
> From:
ronnie.day at gmail.com
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re:
[Roadsters] boot lid rubber seal glue
>
> If you didn't clean the rubber you
need to do that. There's typically a
> mold release agent on it that's
designed to keep it from sticking to
> anything. Others may offer opinions,
but I'd start with 91% or higher
> isopropyl alcohol on a clean cloth. If that
doesn't help you might try
> acetone, naphtha or lacquer thiner, but I'd try
these on an isolated spot
> first to make sure they don't desolve the rubber.
Clean the metal surfaces,
> too.
>
> I've found that most of these adhesives
work best with careful, light
> applications of the goop on both the metal and
the rubber, letting the
> stuff get tacky, then adding another light
application to one surface or
> the other and then holding the seal in place
with something like painters
> tape for an hour or so while the adhesive
bonds. Don't use duct or gaffers
> tape. Either are likely to pull the seal
loose when you pull the tape off.
>
> Can't hurt to call Dean, either.
>
>
HTH,
> Ron
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:19 AM, robert williams
<wilrobasy at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I have purchased the full rubber seal kit
from Dean, working through the
> >  rebuild and now trying to glue the boot
(trunk) lid seal to the boot
> > lid. I have tried two different brands of
purpose marketed weather seal
> > stirp glue from autoshops. Both stick really
well to the car but
> > struggle to stay glued to the rubber seal itself. Has
anyone found
> > success with a brand of rubber glue that works for these
seals?
> > ________________________________________

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 23 12:09:59 2012
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:09:59 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <1343055796.27004.YahooMailClassic@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1343055796.27004.YahooMailClassic@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7576744A18E74DDF845C6A2F3D257931@ranteer.local>

he said "compared to"

I think that's accurate.  I T boned a car in a honda when I was doing 60. 
walked away.  even with shoulder and lap belts in a roadster I don't think 
so.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gary McCormick
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Paul Courson ; Paul Kort
Cc: Roadster Stuff
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print

"Rolling coffins"? Harsh...

--- On Mon, 7/23/12, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote: 

From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 23 12:35:30 2012
From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:35:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <7576744A18E74DDF845C6A2F3D257931@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <1343068530.85878.YahooMailClassic@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I get the "compared to" bit. I guess compared to any kind of car, riding
a motorcycle is like walking around with a loaded gun pressed to your headb&



--- On Mon, 7/23/12, dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
To: "Datsun" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, July 23, 2012, 11:09 AM

he said "compared to"

I think that's accurate.B  I T boned a car in a honda when I was doing 60.
walked away.B  even with shoulder and lap belts in a roadster I don't think
so.

-----Original Message----- From: Gary McCormick
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Paul Courson ; Paul Kort
Cc: Roadster Stuff
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print

"Rolling coffins"? Harsh...

--- On Mon, 7/23/12, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:
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From BARTERDUDE at aol.com  Mon Jul 23 13:09:28 2012
From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:09:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
Message-ID: <234e1.10950e99.3d3efb68@aol.com>

FYI - 
 
A few years back I encountered a herd of cattle in the middle of the road  
about dusk.  I was doing 65 and I weaved in and out of the herd before  
coming to a halt, but the mustang behind me tried the same thing but ended up  
with a cow's severed head in his passenger seat.  Me - I just needed some  
clean underwear, but non the worse for wear on the roadster.
 
Gary Lasater
 
 
In a message dated 7/23/2012 12:17:02 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
sumton at sbcglobal.net writes:

he said  "compared to"

I think that's accurate.  I T boned a car in a honda  when I was doing 60. 
walked away.  even with shoulder and lap belts  in a roadster I don't think 
so.

-----Original Message-----  
From: Gary McCormick
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Paul  Courson ; Paul Kort
Cc: Roadster Stuff
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My  roadster in print

"Rolling coffins"? Harsh...

--- On Mon,  7/23/12, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:  
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From tom at datsun2000.com  Mon Jul 23 13:23:57 2012
From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom Hendricksen)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:23:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
Message-ID: <500DA4CD.2050106@datsun2000.com>

I don't see a roadster as a rolling coffin.  In 1969 A '67 chevy made a 
left turn into the front fender of my '68 roadster.  At the time I was 
doing about 45 MPH and was sent at an angle to the right where I met a 
high cement curb.  The car did not go over the curb or bounce back.  It 
just stopped.  After I figured out that I was still alive I unlatched 
the top and stepped out over the driver's door. The belts all held.  My 
glasses were smashed on the windshield and there were large ripples in 
the left floor board.  In the end my chest cartilage was broken from the 
impact on the shoulder harness, but that is much better than the 
alternative could have been.

Tom
69 2000 - Mr. Hyde
Las Vegas
http://www.datsun2000.com
http://www.nowroc.org

On 7/23/2012 11:09:59 AM, dave n (sumton at sbcglobal.net) wrote:
 > he said "compared to"
 >
 > I think that's accurate. I T boned a car in a honda when I was doing 60.
 > walked away. even with shoulder and lap belts in a roadster I don't 
think
 > so.
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Gary McCormick
 > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:03 AM
 > To: Paul Courson ; Paul Kort
 > Cc: Roadster Stuff
 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
 >
 > "Rolling coffins"? Harsh...
 >
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 > ________________________________________
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From davidbentz at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 13:30:32 2012
From: davidbentz at gmail.com (David Bentz)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:30:32 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <234e1.10950e99.3d3efb68@aol.com>
References: <234e1.10950e99.3d3efb68@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CALO7pZrnnfy6Rogw+ocJbXFs2DDo61LEGc9eFcgjAWAEc5H1MQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Me - I just needed some clean underwear, but non the worse for wear on
the roadster.

So the seats cleaned up pretty well...Good to know... ;)

Sorry Gary. I couldn't resist!!

Dave



On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, <BARTERDUDE at aol.com> wrote:

> FYI -
>
> A few years back I encountered a herd of cattle in the middle of the road
> about dusk.  I was doing 65 and I weaved in and out of the herd before
> coming to a halt, but the mustang behind me tried the same thing but ended
> up
> with a cow's severed head in his passenger seat.  Me - I just needed some
> clean underwear, but non the worse for wear on the roadster.
>
> Gary Lasater
>
>
> In a message dated 7/23/2012 12:17:02 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> sumton at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> he said  "compared to"
>
> I think that's accurate.  I T boned a car in a honda  when I was doing 60.
> walked away.  even with shoulder and lap belts  in a roadster I don't think
> so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary McCormick
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: Paul  Courson ; Paul Kort
> Cc: Roadster Stuff
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My  roadster in print
>
> "Rolling coffins"? Harsh...
>
> --- On Mon,  7/23/12, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:
> ________________________________________
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From BARTERDUDE at aol.com  Mon Jul 23 15:34:46 2012
From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:34:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
Message-ID: <1741c.1d640878.3d3f1d76@aol.com>

hey guys - my mantra - live your life on the edge, otherwise the life you  
live is on the other side of dull and  BORING.  ENJOY THE  RIDE.  Can't run 
around having fun if your mommy wrapped you up in tons of  bubble wrap (in 
otherwords too much _#$#@%_ (mailto:#$#@)  government  regulations to make 
you safer).  I survived the 50's, 60's and 70's and to  infinity and beyond 
(yea Bud Lightyear).  Three motorcycle accidents,  and a couple car accidents 
all without "bubble wrap".  I buy pre '68  roadsters and other cars cause my 
State and most all States, can't force seat  belts in cars pre Jan 1, 1968 
when Uncle Sam mandated all cars manufactured  after that date had to have 
seat belts, but the cars prior to that date were  grandfather'ed in as they 
were - beltless.
 
Grins and Giggles == Gary L.
 
PS - I love playing devil's advocate - stir up food for thought (and then  
have a "food fight" - sling it baby).
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/23/2012 8:15:02 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com writes:

I  think the early flat dash, low windshield models usually sell for  more
because they are rarer.  The late model ones are safer to drive  because of
the dual brake system and much better roll over protection and  head rests.
But then compared to modern cars, they are all just rolling  coffins.

Paul

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Paul Courson  <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the same issue is a '69 1600  with photo, among the auction
> narratives in the back. In the short  summary, the writer notes
> valuations are higher for earlier,  low-windshield variants, but I have
> to wonder whether that's broadly  true beyond the celebrated factory
> configuration of a 2L with the  Mikuni/Solex setup.
>
> For market value, numerically there are  far more examples of '68-'70
> to pick from, both 1600 and 2000 engine  types. And I've found safety
> appreciation of the dual circuit brake  system not found in the
> low-windshield models. Seems to me the chance  is higher among later
> models of finding a creampuff going for top  dollar.
>
> Paul
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Thu,  Jul 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com>  
wrote:
> > Just got the issue!
> >
> > These cars  are becoming so common in print that they just pull out a
>  stock
> > file photo to illustrate.
> >
> > Nice  viz regardless!
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2012 5:33 PM, "Paul Kort"  <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> >>
>  >>   When you get your September issue (Yeah September  already!) of
> *Hemmings
> >> Sport & Exotic Car* and  you get to page 72, please be aware that is 
NOT
> my
> >>  roadster pictured above my letter to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in  
a
> >> photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some how they used a  photo of a 
red
> >> 1500!
> >>
>  >>   I asked about an oil problem with the KA24E in my  roadster and he
> >> suggested I should swap it out for a  SR20DET.  Not sure what I 
expected
> >> when I wrote to FIAT  with a Nissan problem?  (:0
> >>
> >>    On a better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer
>  >> here
> >> in Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and  Tigers.  On page 51 you'll
> note a
> >> Datsun  roadster getting ready to pass him.
> >>
> >>  Paul
> >> Ohio
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 17:21:39 2012
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:21:39 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Cams
In-Reply-To: <20120723.142949.18168.2@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20120723.142949.18168.2@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CAMHhs6fG02eAt8y+qM08BX4GbDQP+97hUM79Tk9Erk8t_qNTHw@mail.gmail.com>

IMO, there are way too many variables to make blanket statements like one
cam/carb combo makes more power than another, unless specific parameters
are stated. Are we talking at 3K or 6K plus, or are we talking an
isolated/peak number? Is this "seat of the pants" or measured data? Throw
worn out carbs or a cam that's got some worn lobs into the mix and that's a
whole 'nother can of worms.

Given an engine in good condition, generally an SU equipped car will
produce better torque in the 2K to 4K range due to higher mixture velocity,
whereas dual throat side drafts (Solexes, Webers, etc)  really come into
their own around 4K plus. Both cases should include a cam designed to work
with the carbs and the timing tweaked accordingly, too. A total systems
approach, designed for specific goals is best, IMO. I will say that if
you're going to go with the Solexes, at least you have the OE configuration
as a good starting point. Start changing venturis (chokes) and jetting or
using Webers opens a whole new world of learning and spending money if you
want to get thinngs right

Reading Dana's original question, I'm wondering why he decided he need to
swap cams? If there are mechanical issues that need to be addressed, sure,
but working with the head design on the U and L series usually requires
replacing additional parts other than just the cam itself.

FWIW,
Ron

From utahltps at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 17:24:56 2012
From: utahltps at yahoo.com (Paul Strahl)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:24:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
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Collapsing steering column was nice change for safety considerations as well.
Modern airbags though offer another level of safety.
 
Paul S
________________________________
 From: Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com>
To: Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> 
Cc: Roadster Stuff
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
  
  I think the early flat
dash, low windshield models usually sell for more
because they are rarer.  The
late model ones are safer to drive because of
the dual brake system and much
better roll over protection and head rests.
But then compared to modern cars,
they are all just rolling coffins.

Paul

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM,
Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the same issue is a '69 1600
with photo, among the auction
> narratives in the back. In the short summary,
the writer notes
> valuations are higher for earlier, low-windshield variants,
but I have
> to wonder whether that's broadly true beyond the celebrated
factory
> configuration of a 2L with the Mikuni/Solex setup.
>
> For market
value, numerically there are far more examples of '68-'70
> to pick from, both
1600 and 2000 engine types. And I've found safety
> appreciation of the dual
circuit brake system not found in the
> low-windshield models. Seems to me the
chance is higher among later
> models of finding a creampuff going for top
dollar.
>
> Paul
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul
Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just got the issue!
> >
> > These
cars are becoming so common in print that they just pull out a
> stock
> >
file photo to illustrate.
> >
> > Nice viz regardless!
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2012
5:33 PM, "Paul Kort" <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>   When you
get your September issue (Yeah September already!) of
> *Hemmings
> >> Sport &
Exotic Car* and you get to page 72, please be aware that is NOT
> my
> >>
roadster pictured above my letter to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in a
> >>
photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some how they used a photo of a red
> >>
1500!
> >>
> >>   I asked about an oil problem with the KA24E in my roadster
and he
> >> suggested I should swap it out for a SR20DET.  Not sure what I
expected
> >> when I wrote to FIAT with a Nissan problem?  (:0
> >>
> >>   On
a better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer
> >> here
>
>> in Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and Tigers.  On page 51 you'll
> note
a
> >> Datsun roadster getting ready to pass him.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> Ohio
>
>> ________________________________________
> >>
> >>
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From utahltps at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 17:24:56 2012
From: utahltps at yahoo.com (Paul Strahl)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:24:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
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Collapsing steering column was nice change for safety considerations as well.
Modern airbags though offer another level of safety.
 
Paul S
________________________________
 From: Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com>
To: Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> 
Cc: Roadster Stuff
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
  
  I think the early flat
dash, low windshield models usually sell for more
because they are rarer.  The
late model ones are safer to drive because of
the dual brake system and much
better roll over protection and head rests.
But then compared to modern cars,
they are all just rolling coffins.

Paul

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM,
Paul Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the same issue is a '69 1600
with photo, among the auction
> narratives in the back. In the short summary,
the writer notes
> valuations are higher for earlier, low-windshield variants,
but I have
> to wonder whether that's broadly true beyond the celebrated
factory
> configuration of a 2L with the Mikuni/Solex setup.
>
> For market
value, numerically there are far more examples of '68-'70
> to pick from, both
1600 and 2000 engine types. And I've found safety
> appreciation of the dual
circuit brake system not found in the
> low-windshield models. Seems to me the
chance is higher among later
> models of finding a creampuff going for top
dollar.
>
> Paul
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul
Courson <cour.jpeg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just got the issue!
> >
> > These
cars are becoming so common in print that they just pull out a
> stock
> >
file photo to illustrate.
> >
> > Nice viz regardless!
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2012
5:33 PM, "Paul Kort" <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>   When you
get your September issue (Yeah September already!) of
> *Hemmings
> >> Sport &
Exotic Car* and you get to page 72, please be aware that is NOT
> my
> >>
roadster pictured above my letter to "Fix It Again, Tony.  I sent in a
> >>
photo of my bright yellow 1600, but some how they used a photo of a red
> >>
1500!
> >>
> >>   I asked about an oil problem with the KA24E in my roadster
and he
> >> suggested I should swap it out for a SR20DET.  Not sure what I
expected
> >> when I wrote to FIAT with a Nissan problem?  (:0
> >>
> >>   On
a better note, turn to page 50 for an article on a Sunbeam dealer
> >> here
>
>> in Columbus, Ohio that raced Alpines and Tigers.  On page 51 you'll
> note
a
> >> Datsun roadster getting ready to pass him.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> Ohio
>
>> ________________________________________
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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From chalsted at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 17:45:38 2012
From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:45:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <1741c.1d640878.3d3f1d76@aol.com>
Message-ID: <784335230.118914.1343087138641.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

>Three motorcycle accidents, and a couple car accidents 

hopefully as you've gotten older, Gary, you've improved on your driving skills ;-) 

From futofab at gsinet.net  Mon Jul 23 18:32:50 2012
From: futofab at gsinet.net (David Patten)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:32:50 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
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I'm back at Gary's severed cow's head thinking it was some twisted
US Midlands version of the Godfather.
-- 
Dave Patten

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:45 PM, <chalsted at comcast.net> wrote:

> >Three motorcycle accidents, and a couple car accidents
>
> hopefully as you've gotten older, Gary, you've improved on your driving
> skills ;-)
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From svedise at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 23 18:53:02 2012
From: svedise at hotmail.com (Jim Svedise)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:53:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
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Well I'm 58 been riding motorcycles since I was 8 been driving cars since I 
was 15.5 and waterskied in comp.  Been in a lot of shall we say mishaps and 
never got really hurt (Totaled 2 cars an one motorcycle). 6 weeks ago I 
slipped off our patio and fell 9' to the rock driveway. Still did not bake a 
bone but it hurt more than any of the other mishaps still recovering. My 
point being I think when it's time it's time so why worry . Just have fun.

70 2000
75 Moto Guzzi
97 Goldwing
3 Trail 90's
2 ATV's
23' boat

Jim
__________________________________
Living The Good Life South Of The Border

Yeah, I get the "compared to" bit. I guess compared to any kind of car, 
riding
a motorcycle is like walking around with a loaded gun pressed to your headb&



--- On Mon, 7/23/12, dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: dave n <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
To: "Datsun" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, July 23, 2012, 11:09 AM

he said "compared to"

I think that's accurate.B  I T boned a car in a honda when I was doing 60.
walked away.B  even with shoulder and lap belts in a roadster I don't think
so.

-----Original Message----- From: Gary McCormick
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Paul Courson ; Paul Kort
Cc: Roadster Stuff
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print

"Rolling coffins"? Harsh...

--- On Mon, 7/23/12, Paul Kort <paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com> wrote: 

From waynomor at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 14:01:55 2012
From: waynomor at aol.com (Waynomor)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:01:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] for sale ebay
Message-ID: <8CF37EE4F60C44D-2A90-4147B@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com>

On eBay





Bread Crumb Link
eBay Motors >
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1968 Datsun Other
Roadster 1968 Race car Auto X and engines and parts not steet legal
Roadster and Roadster Parts Roadster: 1968 SPL 311. Adjustable Coil-overs on
all four corners. Adjustable sway in rear fixed sway in front. Fuel cell.
Electric fuel pump. External oil cooler and filter. 5 speed ( second gear
synchro out). 15X7.5 inch wheels. Rear aluminum finned drums and original
front disks with almost new rotors. Locker differential w/4.88 gears. Oil
temp, water temp, and oil pressure gauges. Electric tach. Electric cooling
fan. See picture of engine bay and suspension. Roll cage. Kirksey seat. (needs
harness/belts). Quick release steering wheel. Not street legal. Engine strong
and bullet proof. Recent clutch. 8 quart oil pan. Engine has fewer than 50
hours. No title. I can provide bill of sale. Parts etc: Brake pads and shoes 1
engine block with 3 main 1 engine sans head. 5 main and was running when
removed. High compression pistons. Several cams, rockers, pans, one head,
intake manifold, five speed trans with one of synchros out Spare set of 4.62
differential locker gears Drive shaft and other misc parts. Sale price does
not include delivery. Buyer responsible for shipping/pick-up except as noted
below. Delivery: I can deliver to San Antonio $342 /Houston $420/ Austin $420/
Corpus Christi $180 ($ 0.60 per round trip mile). Further north in Texas @
$0.70 per round trip mile (ie Dallas would be $735).

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 24 20:05:13 2012
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:05:13 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Local (Van Nuys ) Roadsters for Sale
Message-ID: <SNT106-W6ACDE1B8662E1F2D9739DDFC30@phx.gbl>

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/3158188624.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/3158161774.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/3150536571.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/3147993297.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/3126834819.html
Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN]
818 448 3181

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 24 20:24:00 2012
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:24:00 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <CAC08eSNaGh12cXYYFicNL3yC_janV0sfm882J6mLc_MOEe3GeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1741c.1d640878.3d3f1d76@aol.com>,
	<784335230.118914.1343087138641.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>,
	<CAC08eSNaGh12cXYYFicNL3yC_janV0sfm882J6mLc_MOEe3GeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT106-W188F1BE385E6C71FB68375DFC30@phx.gbl>

There is no doubt that modern cars are safer to drive - (brakes,crumple
zones,airbags etc.) - but are they FUN?? One of the things I love about the
roadster is it's period primitiveness (and I think the lines are GREAT) - no
electronics, essentially simple maintenance with a wealth of backup in case i
t isn't that simple, great parts supply (thanks vendors), great information
from the owners. I recently drove a friend's 2007 Bentley, quiet, powerful and
frankly boring. Probably get's exciting at 160+, but at 125 (for a bit) - you
aren't even aware - roadster at 100 - you are involved
(road,noise,wind,vibration) - exhilaration - same for other cars of the period
- but I prefer the roadster. Maybe a lotus might tempt me.

Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN]
818 448 3181

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 24 21:34:52 2012
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:34:52 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Local (Van Nuys ) Roadsters for Sale
Message-ID: <SNT106-W6085C61A4290CB66F35B6ADFC30@phx.gbl>

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/3158188624.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/3158161774.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/3150536571.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/3147993297.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/3126834819.html

Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN]
818 448 3181

From futofab at gsinet.net  Wed Jul 25 05:22:17 2012
From: futofab at gsinet.net (David Patten)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:22:17 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W188F1BE385E6C71FB68375DFC30@phx.gbl>
References: <1741c.1d640878.3d3f1d76@aol.com>
	<784335230.118914.1343087138641.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<CAC08eSNaGh12cXYYFicNL3yC_janV0sfm882J6mLc_MOEe3GeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT106-W188F1BE385E6C71FB68375DFC30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAC08eSObx_4nhuFTQHr_p9Hqy7w8ZqV5nroxTJ9xkTc116uGMQ@mail.gmail.com>

" - roadster at 100 - you are involved..."

"Involved" that is the perfect description!
-- 
Dave Patten, Owner

FutoFab, LLC
199 Stark Hwy So
Dunbarton, NH 03046

Website - www.FutoFab.com <http://www.futofab.com/>
e-mail - dave at futofab.com


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:24 PM, peter harrison <
granvillecomputing at hotmail.com> wrote:

> There is no doubt that modern cars are safer to drive - (brakes,crumple
> zones,airbags etc.) - but are they FUN?? One of the things I love about the
> roadster is it's period primitiveness (and I think the lines are GREAT) -
> no
> electronics, essentially simple maintenance with a wealth of backup in
> case i
> t isn't that simple, great parts supply (thanks vendors), great information
> from the owners. I recently drove a friend's 2007 Bentley, quiet, powerful
> and
> frankly boring. Probably get's exciting at 160+, but at 125 (for a bit) -
> you
> aren't even aware - roadster at 100 - you are involved
> (road,noise,wind,vibration) - exhilaration - same for other cars of the
> period
> - but I prefer the roadster. Maybe a lotus might tempt me.
>
> Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN]
> 818 448 3181
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From RWM at RWMann.com  Wed Jul 25 05:48:10 2012
From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:48:10 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <CAC08eSObx_4nhuFTQHr_p9Hqy7w8ZqV5nroxTJ9xkTc116uGMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1741c.1d640878.3d3f1d76@aol.com>
	<784335230.118914.1343087138641.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<CAC08eSNaGh12cXYYFicNL3yC_janV0sfm882J6mLc_MOEe3GeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT106-W188F1BE385E6C71FB68375DFC30@phx.gbl>
	<CAC08eSObx_4nhuFTQHr_p9Hqy7w8ZqV5nroxTJ9xkTc116uGMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <500FDCFA.40701@RWMann.com>

On 7/25/2012 7:22 AM, David Patten wrote:
> " - roadster at 100 - you are involved..."
>
> "Involved" that is the perfect description!

... and if you're not, it won't be for long.

From davidbentz at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 06:46:20 2012
From: davidbentz at gmail.com (David Bentz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:46:20 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <500FDCFA.40701@RWMann.com>
References: <1741c.1d640878.3d3f1d76@aol.com>
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	<SNT106-W188F1BE385E6C71FB68375DFC30@phx.gbl>
	<CAC08eSObx_4nhuFTQHr_p9Hqy7w8ZqV5nroxTJ9xkTc116uGMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<500FDCFA.40701@RWMann.com>
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Couldn't agree more. WHen i drive my 72 bmw 2002 (sorry i don't have a
roadster...yet...;) it's involved. I don't want or can't play w/the phone,
radio, or be bothered w/any other bs besides driving.

It really makes me think that maybe THAT is the problem w/today. Driving
has become such a numb task, that people are looking for something else to
concentrate on...

Eh, for what it's worth...

David



On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:48 AM, RWM <RWM at rwmann.com> wrote:

> On 7/25/2012 7:22 AM, David Patten wrote:
>
>> " - roadster at 100 - you are involved..."
>>
>> "Involved" that is the perfect description!
>>
>
> ... and if you're not, it won't be for long.
>
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From phillip.b.hall at nasa.gov  Wed Jul 25 07:06:35 2012
From: phillip.b.hall at nasa.gov (Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-EE11))
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:06:35 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster Driving (print)
In-Reply-To: <CALO7pZovwpt0RxFauQi0MdOQM-qwDGRPhbaBtGLGFtj-DK7=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC35598B.10E96%phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov>

Great conversation and one my daughter (14) and I had last night as she was
washing her Miata.  I gave my mom's old Miata ('89 #366, 61,000 miles) to
her and now teaching her to drive - she is getting good with the clutch.

New cars are not only boring, but people are relying on all the traction
control, ABS, yawl control,,,,, so much they forgot how to drive.  After my
daughter gets her license, I am enrolling her in performance driving schools
so she can really enjoy the car she drives and be so much safer doing it.

Leaving the arsenal, there is on ramp with a decreasing radius.  Almost
every time it rains a "new" car slides out and pegs the concrete barrier.
So where is all the ABS and crap now???


On 7/25/12 7:46 AM, "David Bentz" <davidbentz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Couldn't agree more. WHen i drive my 72 bmw 2002 (sorry i don't have a
> roadster...yet...;) it's involved. I don't want or can't play w/the phone,
> radio, or be bothered w/any other bs besides driving.
>
> It really makes me think that maybe THAT is the problem w/today. Driving
> has become such a numb task, that people are looking for something else to
> concentrate on...
>
> Eh, for what it's worth...
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:48 AM, RWM <RWM at rwmann.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2012 7:22 AM, David Patten wrote:
>>
>>> " - roadster at 100 - you are involved..."
>>>
>>> "Involved" that is the perfect description!
>>>
>>
>> ... and if you're not, it won't be for long.

From davidbentz at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 07:56:31 2012
From: davidbentz at gmail.com (David Bentz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:56:31 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster Driving (print)
In-Reply-To: <CC35598B.10E96%phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov>
References: <CALO7pZovwpt0RxFauQi0MdOQM-qwDGRPhbaBtGLGFtj-DK7=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC35598B.10E96%phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <CALO7pZr4KzUVDVc=P3V-iRbzAU2nk+7JRE1hXEjWMDCGuPUxdw@mail.gmail.com>

I couldn't agree more.
Maybe that's why I like old cars more than new cars. That it's 'an active
event' that makes you want to be part of the adventure vs. being a
'passenger'.

...and here i was starting to believe my wife (that it was b/c i'm a cheap
a$$...LOL!!)



On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-EE11) <
phillip.b.hall at nasa.gov> wrote:

> Great conversation and one my daughter (14) and I had last night as she was
> washing her Miata.  I gave my mom's old Miata ('89 #366, 61,000 miles) to
> her and now teaching her to drive - she is getting good with the clutch.
>
> New cars are not only boring, but people are relying on all the traction
> control, ABS, yawl control,,,,, so much they forgot how to drive.  After my
> daughter gets her license, I am enrolling her in performance driving
> schools
> so she can really enjoy the car she drives and be so much safer doing it.
>
> Leaving the arsenal, there is on ramp with a decreasing radius.  Almost
> every time it rains a "new" car slides out and pegs the concrete barrier.
> So where is all the ABS and crap now???
>
>
> On 7/25/12 7:46 AM, "David Bentz" <davidbentz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Couldn't agree more. WHen i drive my 72 bmw 2002 (sorry i don't have a
> > roadster...yet...;) it's involved. I don't want or can't play w/the
> phone,
> > radio, or be bothered w/any other bs besides driving.
> >
> > It really makes me think that maybe THAT is the problem w/today. Driving
> > has become such a numb task, that people are looking for something else
> to
> > concentrate on...
> >
> > Eh, for what it's worth...
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:48 AM, RWM <RWM at rwmann.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/25/2012 7:22 AM, David Patten wrote:
> >>
> >>> " - roadster at 100 - you are involved..."
> >>>
> >>> "Involved" that is the perfect description!
> >>>
> >>
> >> ... and if you're not, it won't be for long.

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 25 07:45:37 2012
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:45:37 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster in print
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W188F1BE385E6C71FB68375DFC30@phx.gbl>
References: <1741c.1d640878.3d3f1d76@aol.com>,
	<784335230.118914.1343087138641.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>,
	<CAC08eSNaGh12cXYYFicNL3yC_janV0sfm882J6mLc_MOEe3GeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT106-W188F1BE385E6C71FB68375DFC30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <93DEAB61128C4E06B89800E6F8471112@ranteer.local>

fortunately, not ALL new cars are boring.  I have a 2006 4 door honda accord 
(boring) but it has a 6 speed manual and v6.  nice daily driver!  in the 
4-6k rpm range it makes nice noises (cold air intake) and pulls nicely. 
handles ok, but the suspension really could be tighter.  when I wear this 
out I'm gonna get a 370z convertible!

but I won't argue - I'd rather be roadstering . . .

-----Original Message----- 
From: peter harrison
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:24 PM
To: datsun
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster in print

There is no doubt that modern cars are safer to drive - (brakes,crumple
zones,airbags etc.) - but are they FUN?? One of the things I love about the
roadster is it's period primitiveness (and I think the lines are GREAT) - no
electronics, essentially simple maintenance with a wealth of backup in case 
i
t isn't that simple, great parts supply (thanks vendors), great information
from the owners. I recently drove a friend's 2007 Bentley, quiet, powerful 
and
frankly boring. Probably get's exciting at 160+, but at 125 (for a bit) - 
you
aren't even aware - roadster at 100 - you are involved
(road,noise,wind,vibration) - exhilaration - same for other cars of the 
period
- but I prefer the roadster. Maybe a lotus might tempt me.

Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN]
818 448 3181 

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 08:39:23 2012
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:39:23 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster Driving (print)
In-Reply-To: <CC35598B.10E96%phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov>
References: <CALO7pZovwpt0RxFauQi0MdOQM-qwDGRPhbaBtGLGFtj-DK7=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC35598B.10E96%phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <002c01cd6a73$4c6ae6b0$e540b410$@net>

ABS is no guarantee against STUPID.

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hall, Phillip
B. (MSFC-EE11)
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:07 AM
To: David Bentz; RWM
Cc: Datsun-Roadsters
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster Driving (print)

[snip]

Leaving the arsenal, there is on ramp with a decreasing radius.  Almost
every time it rains a "new" car slides out and pegs the concrete barrier.

So where is all the ABS and crap now???

From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 25 09:00:40 2012
From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My roadster Driving (print)
In-Reply-To: <CC35598B.10E96%phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <1343228440.76376.YahooMailClassic@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Aah, the dreaded decreasing radius turn - the traffic engineer's way of
implementing natural selection.

I ran afoul of a decreasing radius turn once on my motorcycle, on a dinky,
windy back road in the Coast Range hills west of Carmel Valley. Got into it
too hot, couldn't slow down/turn tighter fast enough to stay on the pavement
and ran up onto the bank on the outside of the curve. All would have been good
except for the power pole in the bank -- which I didn't hit, but I did hit the
washout below it, which catapulted me up and up and to the right, back across
the road with my axles at about eye level to my buddy who was a few seconds
behind me on his bike. I landed on my wheels, at a dead stop, on the shoulder
on the opposite side of the road.

I told that story a few days later to a couple of the not-so-bright guys who
manned the parts counter at a local motorcycle shop. They had problems with
the meaning of decreasing radius -- then one of them said, "Oh, I know what a
decreasing radius turn is -- it's one you don't make it around."

I think he nailed the definition on that one.

Gary McCormick
San Jose, CA
'70 2000 SRL311-13291

--- On Wed, 7/25/12, Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-EE11) <phillip.b.hall at nasa.gov>
wrote:

From: Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-EE11) <phillip.b.hall at nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My roadster Driving (print)
To: "David Bentz" <davidbentz at gmail.com>, "RWM" <RWM at rwmann.com>
Cc: "Datsun-Roadsters" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 6:06 AM

Great conversation and one my daughter (14) and I had last night as she was
washing her Miata.  I gave my mom's old Miata ('89 #366, 61,000 miles) to
her and now teaching her to drive - she is getting good with the clutch.

New cars are not only boring, but people are relying on all the traction
control, ABS, yawl control,,,,, so much they forgot how to drive.  After my
daughter gets her license, I am enrolling her in performance driving schools
so she can really enjoy the car she drives and be so much safer doing it.

Leaving the arsenal, there is on ramp with a decreasing radius.  Almost
every time it rains a "new" car slides out and pegs the concrete barrier.
So where is all the ABS and crap now???


On 7/25/12 7:46 AM, "David Bentz" <davidbentz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Couldn't agree more. WHen i drive my 72 bmw 2002 (sorry i don't have a
> roadster...yet...;) it's involved. I don't want or can't play w/the phone,
> radio, or be bothered w/any other bs besides driving.
>
> It really makes me think that maybe THAT is the problem w/today. Driving
> has become such a numb task, that people are looking for something else to
> concentrate on...
>
> Eh, for what it's worth...
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:48 AM, RWM <RWM at rwmann.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2012 7:22 AM, David Patten wrote:
>>
>>> " - roadster at 100 - you are involved..."
>>>
>>> "Involved" that is the perfect description!
>>>
>>
>> ... and if you're not, it won't be for long.
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From alvingogi at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 09:32:34 2012
From: alvingogi at gmail.com (alvin gogineni)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:32:34 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Brisbane Datsun/Nissan Show This Saturday
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Details on the blog:
http://www.zcarblog.com/2012/07/21/events/brisbane-car-show-next-saturday-728.html

From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Fri Jul 27 20:49:00 2012
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:49:00 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
Message-ID: <000e01cd6c6b$8b2ff990$a18fecb0$@net>

Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.

 

Gordon Glasgow

Renton, WA

www.gordon-glasgow.org

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 27 20:54:45 2012
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 02:54:45 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
Message-ID: <707926678-1343444087-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-769627406-@b2.c20.bise6.blackberry>

Shhhhhhhh! No one reply to Gordon. 

------Original Message------
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Subject: [Roadsters] Test
Sent: Jul 27, 2012 7:49 PM

Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.

 

Gordon Glasgow

Renton, WA

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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Fri Jul 27 21:25:43 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:25:43 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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Someone needs to ask a question.
OK, I'll go.
If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net> wrote:

> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
>
>
>
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From tommy at dcwisp.net  Fri Jul 27 23:14:17 2012
From: tommy at dcwisp.net (Thomas Thompson)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:14:17 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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I just chalked it up to befuddlement about drifting an E-type...Gordon, 
we'll be at LeMay Automobile Museum in Tacoma August 11 for 'Jaguars on the 
Green'. Nancy and I would really like to see you-it's been a long time!
TT
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 7:49 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Test


> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Sat Jul 28 00:16:55 2012
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 23:16:55 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test passed
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Okay, good. I guess it was just a busy few days for everyone.

Gordon Glasgow


-----Original Message-----
From: Spedlyy [mailto:spedlyy at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 8:24 PM
To: Gordon Glasgow
Subject: Fw: [Roadsters] Test

Like they say, "With friends like these.."

8^)

-Ed-


----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test


> Shhhhhhhh! No one reply to Gordon.
>
> ------Original Message------
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> Subject: [Roadsters] Test
> Sent: Jul 27, 2012 7:49 PM
>
> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
>
>
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From graemes at internode.on.net  Sat Jul 28 00:41:55 2012
From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme Suckling)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:11:55 +0930
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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	<8083FB76-09BB-4957-9CD0-F8D670C28FD9@netscape.net>
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Much growling/squealing/grumbling when the clutch pedal is depressed:-(

Regards,
Graeme Suckling
http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza
Adelaide
South Australia.

On 28/07/2012 12:55 PM, Linda J wrote:
> Someone needs to ask a question.
> OK, I'll go.
> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sat Jul 28 02:25:28 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:25:28 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
In-Reply-To: <501389B3.7090205@internode.on.net>
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OK thanks. Well that's not it then. :-)
How about if the counter shaft is going?

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Graeme Suckling <graemes at internode.on.net>
wrote:

> Much growling/squealing/grumbling when the clutch pedal is depressed:-(
>
> Regards,
> Graeme Suckling
> http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza
> Adelaide
> South Australia.
>
> On 28/07/2012 12:55 PM, Linda J wrote:
>> Someone needs to ask a question.
>> OK, I'll go.
>> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
wrote:
>>
>>> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
>>>
>>>
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From roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 04:41:02 2012
From: roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com (Mike Harper)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 03:41:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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"grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"   (I think that's it)


Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
Harper Auction & Realty
843-729-4996
"Experience Sells"

www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
 
 

--- On Fri, 7/27/12, Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net> wrote:


From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
To: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
Cc: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 11:25 PM


Someone needs to ask a question.
OK, I'll go.
If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net> wrote:

> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
>
>
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From aultgc at att.net  Sat Jul 28 08:28:59 2012
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:28:59 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Throw-Out Bearing Noise
References: <000e01cd6c6b$8b2ff990$a18fecb0$@net>
	<8083FB76-09BB-4957-9CD0-F8D670C28FD9@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <DF38531767F44CFD84111F17A7461049@gaxp1>

Linda,

A low whine when the pedal is depressed (clutch disengaged).  Difficult to 
hear except at idle.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda J" <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
To: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
Cc: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test


> Someone needs to ask a question.
> OK, I'll go.
> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
>>
>>
>>
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From jover4x4 at aol.com  Sat Jul 28 09:16:01 2012
From: jover4x4 at aol.com (John Over)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 08:16:01 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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If the grumble is heard with the clutch pedal depressed it is the throw out
bearing.  If the noise is apparent at idle in neutral with the clutch out it
is the mainshaft bearings.  If so it should quiet down if you depress the
clutch pedal again to uncouple the transmission, assuming your throw out
bearing is good.  Hope this makes sense.

John Over
Aurora, Co

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"   (I think that's it)
>
>
> Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
> Harper Auction & Realty
> 843-729-4996
> "Experience Sells"
>
> www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/27/12, Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
> To: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
> Cc: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 11:25 PM
>
>
> Someone needs to ask a question.
> OK, I'll go.
> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
wrote:
>
>> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gordon Glasgow
>>
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>>
>> www.gordon-glasgow.org
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From Pat at HORNESYSTEMSTX.COM  Sat Jul 28 11:03:26 2012
From: Pat at HORNESYSTEMSTX.COM (Pat at HORNESYSTEMSTX.COM)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:03:26 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Portland visit
Message-ID: <20120728100326.997a8624c2b4dae4e01298000bf07581.b7058d995c.wbe@email02.secureserver.net>

/local/mailman/lynxXXXXTcPhSt: Permission denied

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sat Jul 28 11:04:11 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
In-Reply-To: <A975DEA7-91A7-4AE4-9527-81A1FEB7E077@aol.com>
References: <1343472062.95549.YahooMailClassic@web124904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<A975DEA7-91A7-4AE4-9527-81A1FEB7E077@aol.com>
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I'm not hearing a grumble, more like a clatter, not all the time, usually when
accelerating, not at idle.Tranny shifts fine, new clutch master just
installed, slave rebuilt a few months ago, no leaks. I was told maybe
countershaft is going?
Here is a link to some tranny pics for a general idea of the wear: 4 pics
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2237600860071792546zKZNNE

Just to keep everyone engaged and thanks for the help!

Linda



-----Original Message-----
From: John Over <jover4x4 at aol.com>
To: Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>; Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>;
Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:16 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test


If the grumble is heard with the clutch pedal depressed it is the throw out
bearing.  If the noise is apparent at idle in neutral with the clutch out it
is
the mainshaft bearings.  If so it should quiet down if you depress the clutch
pedal again to uncouple the transmission, assuming your throw out bearing is
good.  Hope this makes sense.

John Over
Aurora, Co

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"   (I think that's it)
>
>
> Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
> Harper Auction & Realty
> 843-729-4996
> "Experience Sells"
>
> www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/27/12, Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
> To: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
> Cc: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 11:25 PM
>
>
> Someone needs to ask a question.
> OK, I'll go.
> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
wrote:
>
>> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gordon Glasgow
>>
>> Renton, WA
>>
>> www.gordon-glasgow.org
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From RWM at RWMann.com  Sat Jul 28 11:25:25 2012
From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:25:25 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] --> Re:  Test
In-Reply-To: <8CF3AFA249F8F10-618-17059@angweb-usm022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1343472062.95549.YahooMailClassic@web124904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<A975DEA7-91A7-4AE4-9527-81A1FEB7E077@aol.com>
	<8CF3AFA249F8F10-618-17059@angweb-usm022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <50142085.9030607@RWMann.com>

Heard this same sound under same circumstances, oh, 35 years ago. 
Determined to be a de-bonded clutch lining.


On 7/28/2012 1:04 PM, Linda wrote:
> I'm not hearing a grumble, more like a clatter, not all the time, usually when
> accelerating, not at idle.Tranny shifts fine, new clutch master just
> installed, slave rebuilt a few months ago, no leaks. I was told maybe
> countershaft is going?
> Here is a link to some tranny pics for a general idea of the wear: 4 pics
> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2237600860071792546zKZNNE
>
> Just to keep everyone engaged and thanks for the help!
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Over <jover4x4 at aol.com>
> To: Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>; Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>;
> Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:16 am
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>
>
> If the grumble is heard with the clutch pedal depressed it is the throw out
> bearing.  If the noise is apparent at idle in neutral with the clutch out it
> is
> the mainshaft bearings.  If so it should quiet down if you depress the clutch
> pedal again to uncouple the transmission, assuming your throw out bearing is
> good.  Hope this makes sense.
>
> John Over
> Aurora, Co
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"   (I think that's it)
>>
>>
>> Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
>> Harper Auction & Realty
>> 843-729-4996
>> "Experience Sells"
>>
>> www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 7/27/12, Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>> To: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
>> Cc: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 11:25 PM
>>
>>
>> Someone needs to ask a question.
>> OK, I'll go.
>> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>>
>> Linda

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sat Jul 28 11:30:26 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:30:26 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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I did get some movement when in neutral but not when I put it in gear.
As I understand it the counter is the big one with gears.
Dean thought it was counter bearings most likely. Good to know it is fixable.
I wonder why it doesn't do it all the time though?
Thanks for educating me on transmissions, they are mysterious.

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:16 AM, <Pat at HORNESYSTEMSTX.COM> wrote:

> When I had that problem it was the counter shaft bearings. My fluid was low
and I could hear it when in neutral with the clutch out.
>
> Try to move the gear cluster end to end and sideways. If it moves,
especially side to side, it is probably the counter shaft and bearings. It's
not hard to get the counter shaft out, just remove the bell housing and the
lock oblt for the shaft and pull it out the front of the trans. There will be
thrust washers on each end of the gear cluster that will drop into trans. The
bearings will stay in the cluster.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
> From: Linda <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
> Date: Sat, July 28, 2012 10:04 am
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>
> I'm not hearing a grumble, more like a clatter, not all the time, usually
when
> accelerating, not at idle.Tranny shifts fine, new clutch master just
> installed, slave rebuilt a few months ago, no leaks. I was told maybe
> countershaft is going?
> Here is a link to some tranny pics for a general idea of the wear: 4 pics
> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2237600860071792546zKZNNE
>
> Just to keep everyone engaged and thanks for the help!
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Over <jover4x4 at aol.com>
> To: Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>; Linda J
<ljordan704 at netscape.net>;
> Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:16 am
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>
>
> If the grumble is heard with the clutch pedal depressed it is the throw out
> bearing. If the noise is apparent at idle in neutral with the clutch out it
> is
> the mainshaft bearings. If so it should quiet down if you depress the
clutch
> pedal again to uncouple the transmission, assuming your throw out bearing
is
> good. Hope this makes sense.
>
> John Over
> Aurora, Co
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> > "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" (I think that's it)
> >
> >
> > Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
> > Harper Auction & Realty
> > 843-729-4996
> > "Experience Sells"
> >
> > www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/27/12, Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
> > To: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
> > Cc: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> > Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 11:25 PM
> >
> >
> > Someone needs to ask a question.
> > OK, I'll go.
> > If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > Sent from my iPod
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got dropped.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gordon Glasgow
> >>
> >> Renton, WA
> >>
> >> www.gordon-glasgow.org
> >> ________________________________________
> >>
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> >>
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> > t
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sat Jul 28 11:36:20 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] --> Re:  Test
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Hmm well I prefer that one, I think. The clutch is at least 20 yrs old though
the car has not had many miles in that time. I don't know how long before that
it was changed. What can cause that? Wear, age, bad master? The latter was the
case for longer than I should have let it happen. New one now though.
Looks like an engine pull either way.
I will update here when I figure this out.

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:25 AM, RWM <RWM at RWMann.com> wrote:

> Heard this same sound under same circumstances, oh, 35 years ago. Determined
to be a de-bonded clutch lining.
>
>
> On 7/28/2012 1:04 PM, Linda wrote:
>> I'm not hearing a grumble, more like a clatter, not all the time, usually
when
>> accelerating, not at idle.Tranny shifts fine, new clutch master just
>> installed, slave rebuilt a few months ago, no leaks. I was told maybe
>> countershaft is going?
>> Here is a link to some tranny pics for a general idea of the wear: 4 pics
>> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2237600860071792546zKZNNE
>>
>> Just to keep everyone engaged and thanks for the help!
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Over <jover4x4 at aol.com>
>> To: Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>; Linda J
<ljordan704 at netscape.net>;
>> Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:16 am
>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>>
>>
>> If the grumble is heard with the clutch pedal depressed it is the throw
out
>> bearing.  If the noise is apparent at idle in neutral with the clutch out
it
>> is
>> the mainshaft bearings.  If so it should quiet down if you depress the
clutch
>> pedal again to uncouple the transmission, assuming your throw out bearing
is
>> good.  Hope this makes sense.
>>
>> John Over
>> Aurora, Co
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"   (I think that's it)
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
>>> Harper Auction & Realty
>>> 843-729-4996
>>> "Experience Sells"
>>>
>>> www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 7/27/12, Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>>> To: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
>>> Cc: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>>> Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 11:25 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone needs to ask a question.
>>> OK, I'll go.
>>> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>>>
>>> Linda

From RWM at RWMann.com  Sat Jul 28 11:41:46 2012
From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:41:46 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] --> Re: --> Re:  Test
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	<AEB7328E-C215-4848-BE75-82A211747A39@netscape.net>
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In my case the lining progressively de-bonded and started to clatter 
against the bellhousing under heavy acceleration and high RPM.

Similarly, the clutch didn't owe me anything; it just happens.

- Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex



On 7/28/2012 1:36 PM, Linda J wrote:
> Hmm well I prefer that one, I think. The clutch is at least 20 yrs old though the car has not had many miles in that time. I don't know how long before that it was changed. What can cause that? Wear, age, bad master? The latter was the case for longer than I should have let it happen. New one now though.
> Looks like an engine pull either way.
> I will update here when I figure this out.
>
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:25 AM, RWM <RWM at RWMann.com> wrote:
>
>> Heard this same sound under same circumstances, oh, 35 years ago. Determined to be a de-bonded clutch lining.
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/2012 1:04 PM, Linda wrote:
>>> I'm not hearing a grumble, more like a clatter, not all the time, usually when
>>> accelerating, not at idle.Tranny shifts fine, new clutch master just
>>> installed, slave rebuilt a few months ago, no leaks. I was told maybe
>>> countershaft is going?
>>> Here is a link to some tranny pics for a general idea of the wear: 4 pics
>>> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2237600860071792546zKZNNE
>>>
>>> Just to keep everyone engaged and thanks for the help!
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Over <jover4x4 at aol.com>
>>> To: Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>; Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>;
>>> Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:16 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>>>
>>>
>>> If the grumble is heard with the clutch pedal depressed it is the throw out
>>> bearing.  If the noise is apparent at idle in neutral with the clutch out it
>>> is
>>> the mainshaft bearings.  If so it should quiet down if you depress the clutch
>>> pedal again to uncouple the transmission, assuming your throw out bearing is
>>> good.  Hope this makes sense.
>>>
>>> John Over
>>> Aurora, Co
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"   (I think that's it)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike Harper, CAI, AARE
>>>> Harper Auction & Realty
>>>> 843-729-4996
>>>> "Experience Sells"
>>>>
>>>> www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 7/27/12, Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>>>> To: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
>>>> Cc: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>>>> Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 11:25 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Someone needs to ask a question.
>>>> OK, I'll go.
>>>> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>>>>
>>>> Linda

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sat Jul 28 18:00:59 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:00:59 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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Pilot bearing was another suggestion I heard about.
What does that sound like? And where is it located to change if necessary?
Thanks
Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Todd Green <srl311xp at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Pilot bearing?
>
> From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
> To: Graeme Suckling <graemes at internode.on.net>
> Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>
> OK thanks. Well that's not it then. :-)
> How about if the counter shaft is going?
>
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Graeme Suckling <graemes at internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Much growling/squealing/grumbling when the clutch pedal is depressed:-(
> >
> > Regards,
> > Graeme Suckling
> > http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza
> > Adelaide
> > South Australia.
> >
> > On 28/07/2012 12:55 PM, Linda J wrote:
> >> Someone needs to ask a question.
> >> OK, I'll go.
> >> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
> >>
> >> Linda
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPod
> >>
> >> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got
dropped.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gordon Glasgow
> >>>
> >>> Renton, WA
> >>>
> >>> http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>>
> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> >>>
> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> >>
>
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> >> t
> >> ________________________________________
> >>
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From ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 28 18:01:30 2012
From: ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com (Stan Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:01:30 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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No sound at all if no one is there to hear it.  Sorry, the old 
philosopher in me couldn't resist.

FrankenStan
>
> On 28/07/2012 12:55 PM, Linda J wrote:
>> Someone needs to ask a question.
>> OK, I'll go.
>> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> Sent from my iPod

From graemes at internode.on.net  Sat Jul 28 19:03:49 2012
From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme Suckling)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:33:49 +0930
Subject: [Roadsters] Test
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The pilot bearing is located in the centre counter bore of the engine 
fly wheel.
Sometimes it is a self lubricating bronze plain bearing sometimes it 
might be a tiny roller bearing.
The very tip of the gearbox main shaft engages in the pilot bearing to 
assist in keeping the main shaft centred and supported.
Without that little bearing the main shaft can wobble slightly as it 
rotates.
Eventually I guess the main shaft will trash the main shaft bearing due 
to the oscillations.
As for noise, I would guess you would experience a vibration more than 
hear anything.
I have not had a pilot bearing go so it is a known unknown to me:-P
The transmission and engine need to be separated to get to the pilot bearing

Regards,
Graeme Suckling
http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza
Adelaide
South Australia.

On 29/07/2012 9:30 AM, Linda J wrote:
> Pilot bearing was another suggestion I heard about.
> What does that sound like? And where is it located to change if necessary?
> Thanks
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Todd Green <srl311xp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Pilot bearing?
>>
>> From: Linda J <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
>> To: Graeme Suckling <graemes at internode.on.net>
>> Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test
>>
>> OK thanks. Well that's not it then. :-)
>> How about if the counter shaft is going?
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Graeme Suckling <graemes at internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Much growling/squealing/grumbling when the clutch pedal is depressed:-(
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Graeme Suckling
>>> http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza
>>> Adelaide
>>> South Australia.
>>>
>>> On 28/07/2012 12:55 PM, Linda J wrote:
>>>> Someone needs to ask a question.
>>>> OK, I'll go.
>>>> If a throw out bearing is going what sound is made?
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Haven't seen any mail since Wednesday. Checking to see if I got
> dropped.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon Glasgow
>>>>>
>>>>> Renton, WA
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>>>>>
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From wilrobasy at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 29 06:42:20 2012
From: wilrobasy at hotmail.com (robert williams)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:42:20 +1000
Subject: [Roadsters] wiper spindle - looking for one
Message-ID: <BAY150-W46A69C775B09F268482D36A9C70@phx.gbl>

First off , thanks all those on the list who responded to my question re
glueing the boot / trunk rubber in place.
I had some brake cleaner sitting around so after a quick spray of that to the
rubber the glue stuck to everything that it should have.
I also found out that brake cleaner also makes a good solvant for removing the
black glue from places it should not have gone.

Anyway to the point finally,

I am after a right hand side windscreen wiper spindle that protrudes through
the panel just below the windscreen.
This is for my 1966 low screen 1600.

The existing spindle has been stripped some time in it's life and the PO
decided to fix it by drilling a hole through it and the wiper arm and
inserting a selt tapping screw, effective but ugly.
So I am after a replacement spindle and wiper arm if anyone has one out there
for the right hand side, drivers side here down under but passenger side for
those of you in the USA.

thanks

Robert

1974 Jaguar XJ12
1966 Datsun Fairlady SP 311
2012 Harley Switchback

From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 10:46:56 2012
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] OT - COTA Aerial Tour
Message-ID: <CAMHhs6cysTLjWy8ru_tA-a1jU7QRa-=YydzjRO3W6uP0bQiYvg@mail.gmail.com>

Here's (http://tinyurl.com/d5umy73) a nice overview of the new F1 track
outside of Austin. The track is just over 80 miles from both where we live
now and our new place that we should be moving to by the end of the year.
Since we have 10 plus acres just off of an excellent rural highway, maybe
we should consider opening a small RV park.

Ron

From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 12:21:21 2012
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:21:21 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] [Bluebird510] OT - COTA Aerial Tour
In-Reply-To: <CAGRMRtLDNwChaCz8p69E=20LqpS0n-+-qCYYfvdv10jh2Do9AQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMHhs6cysTLjWy8ru_tA-a1jU7QRa-=YydzjRO3W6uP0bQiYvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGRMRtLDNwChaCz8p69E=20LqpS0n-+-qCYYfvdv10jh2Do9AQ@mail.gmail.com>
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There's no way a facility of this size and complexity can make it without
hosting more than one event per year. I've just been hoping that there will
be track days and club events that are more affordable to most of us. I
guess we'll see how things develop over the next couple of years.

RD

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Dan Heil <mackstwgn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Temporary rv parking for friends.
>
> There have been some deals to incentivize people to buy the higher priced
> grandstand seats with personal seat licenses (PSL). All the other seating
> has sold out for the F1 race
> So why is that? I'm guessing that right now most attendees are not from
> the Dallas, Austin, Huston area. I'm guessing that non-local ticket buyers
> aren"t buying a PSL for future "concerts and other events" because it
> dorsn' t make sense. Which leaves all the locals to buy them.  So get out
> your $1000 per seat.
> I'm also guessing all the locals  will commute to the track and not "camp
> out"
>
> Dan
> 250SRX
> 510 wagons
> On Jul 29, 2012 9:46 AM, "Ronnie Day" <ronnie.day at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's (http://tinyurl.com/d5umy73) a nice overview of the new F1 track
>> outside of Austin. The track is just over 80 miles from both where we live
>> now and our new place that we should be moving to by the end of the year.
>> Since we have 10 plus acres just off of an excellent rural highway, maybe
>> we should consider opening a small RV park.
>>
>> Ron
>>
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From alvingogi at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 16:53:17 2012
From: alvingogi at gmail.com (alvin gogineni)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:53:17 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Bay Area Fun Run
Message-ID: <CALmuZ6DM6geCsVKWWbtBt4eAXxzEj=_KVWWfgsB1=_gL5yT10Q@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to get the ball rolling on a fun run for folks in the Bay
Area either in August or Sept. I can throw some ideas around but I'd
really like for someone else to do all the planning

So, any suggestions on:

1) Destinations
2) routes
3) meeting time/dates?

I'm always down for coastal runs, but I think the East Bay hills,
Napa/Sonoma, and even the South(Gilroy/Hollister/Livermore) would be
really fun.

From aultgc at att.net  Sun Jul 29 20:13:53 2012
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:13:53 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] wiper spindle - looking for one
References: <BAY150-W46A69C775B09F268482D36A9C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C45FCA1464674D73A9C2C6C5AFA8B003@gaxp1>

Robert,

For the spindles:  Right side, left side:  Same-o, same-o.

The arms show up on eBay with some regularity.  There was a wiper motor with 
arms and pivots put up on eBay a couple of days ago.  Might be worth 
checking.  (Sorry, I am not interested, so I did not note the item number.)

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert williams" <wilrobasy at hotmail.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:42 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] wiper spindle - looking for one


> First off , thanks all those on the list who responded to my question re
> glueing the boot / trunk rubber in place.
> I had some brake cleaner sitting around so after a quick spray of that to 
> the
> rubber the glue stuck to everything that it should have.
> I also found out that brake cleaner also makes a good solvant for removing 
> the
> black glue from places it should not have gone.
>
> Anyway to the point finally,
>
> I am after a right hand side windscreen wiper spindle that protrudes 
> through
> the panel just below the windscreen.
> This is for my 1966 low screen 1600.
>
> The existing spindle has been stripped some time in it's life and the PO
> decided to fix it by drilling a hole through it and the wiper arm and
> inserting a selt tapping screw, effective but ugly.
> So I am after a replacement spindle and wiper arm if anyone has one out 
> there
> for the right hand side, drivers side here down under but passenger side 
> for
> those of you in the USA.
>
> thanks
>
> Robert
>
> 1974 Jaguar XJ12
> 1966 Datsun Fairlady SP 311
> 2012 Harley Switchback
> ________________________________________
>
> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>
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From fred.davidson at diversia.ca  Mon Jul 30 07:33:24 2012
From: fred.davidson at diversia.ca (Fred Davidson)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:33:24 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Watkins Glen 2012
In-Reply-To: <E5B7C668B0DE41A38E73566CE432868A@dell1>
References: <SNT113-W2061A459D5CF5110D32433D00C0@phx.gbl>,
	<96AE6160EA394779A1A83930432B5348@dell1>
	<SNT114-W2620260E968DD7D84ED28D00F0@phx.gbl>
	<E5B7C668B0DE41A38E73566CE432868A@dell1>
Message-ID: <000301cd6e57$e55a6890$b00f39b0$@diversia.ca>

Hi Joe and Dave:

 

Good to see somebody step up to "plate"

 

As I am sure you know, this event was first organized in 1987 by Mike
Jennings from Toronto. I organized the event for about 6 years, and it has
changed little in that time, which is good or bad depending on your view.
Yes, the first Saturday evening gathering was in a cabin at Seneca Lodge,
but the "show and shine" was in the same parking area we use now.

 

For the "Show & Shine" I like the use of the parking area on Franklin Street
for the visible presence of the Datsuns on the busy street, but not keen on
the parking fees. The Watkins Glen Festival committee have been very
supportive of the roadsters over the years and probably were one of the
forces to have Datsun the Marque last year.

 

The move of the Saturday evening gathering location to Hazlitt Winery has
been a good move in my opinion.   The Watkins Glen Datsun Roadster meet is
unlike most other Datsun meets as there are lots of interesting things to do
in the area, such as  Vintage Racing at Watkins Glen International, Vintage
airplane museum, many winerys, the Corning Glass works etc  so it is hard to
keep people together. 

 

I would suggest similar event  as in previous years this year and then at
the Saturday night gathering,  either present some new activities to the
group for discussion or just have an open discussion  about what people
want.

 

I will be in Watkins Glen in 2012, as I have been for every year since 1987
with the same car, well probably 50 to 60 % of the car is the same.

 

Thanks for taking this on. 

 

Fred

 

Fred Davidson

'69 Datsun 2000

 

 

From: Dave and Linda [mailto:daveandlindab at verizon.net] 
Sent: July-29-12 10:38 PM
To: 'Ed - Team One Inspections'; datsit at hotmail.com; 'Dave and Pat Freed -
datsun'; patmc317 at yahoo.com; kearn5 at aol.com; alagams at juno.com;
ken.tomihiro at sympatico.ca; walteremiller at yahoo.com; mark at dealermats.com;
'George Hobers'; nathan at goodvision.com; jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com;
susan.tandy at bigpond.com; gcox at twcny.rr.com; jklingman at stny.rr.com;
rksmith46 at hotmail.com; slpainter1 at cox.net; brianrreynolds at yahoo.com;
fred.davidson at diversia.ca; charlieandannelee at gmail.com; mblind at comcast.net;
dkintner at roadrunner.com; dpscrib2 at gmail.com; keefercd at corning.com; 'Dave &
Dawn Peskey Nowodworski - Datsun'; brendawalker98 at yahoo.com;
vze2fhba at comcast.net; chalsted at comcast.net; nbmoyer at masoncci.com;
maplewoodlodging at yahoo.com; craigmaw at hotmail.com; alfa at golden.net;
sght at aol.com; adhundale at optonline.net; frank356 at aol.com; 'Al Boettcher -
datsun'; smlibanker at comcast.net; cour.jpeg at gmail.com; tedscott at hotmail.com;
paul8kathy at gmail.com; weslent at earthlink.net; carlos.santana23 at gmail.com;
'quiteironic'; williammr2 at gmail.com; jack43 at airadv.net; paulydpipr at aol.com;
aznharrison at gmail.com
Subject: Watkins Glen 2012

 

I was speaking with Joe Russo, and we both noticed as you may have, there
has been none of the usual Roadster events announced for the Glen this year.
After Elaine retired, no one to our knowledge has taken up the cause.  I for
one, was very used to showing up and all this just happening, not
appreciating until last year the work involved when we helped only a little
bit.

Joe and I are more than willing to give some payback for the great events
Elaine has run and to the group who attends them.  First things first, if
there is someone organizing, please let us know, and we will be happy to
help as you need, otherwise, we were talking about doing something similar
to Elaine's events, but a bit less formal, as we have 40 days to get it
together.  Show and shine, maybe in a different location as the parking fees
were not popular with some, organized dinner looks like a picnic/BBQ, or we
could combine the show and shine with a lunch or dinner.  Any and all
suggestions and help appreciated.  This is an interim solution, as it may be
a good idea to discuss the future events at this year and come up with a
plan for 2013.  Any volunteers for this year, please let us know,.

 A basic "I'll be there" woulkd be good and, if you notice anyone is missing
from this list, please forward to them and have them reply so they get these
messages.

I'll get a Tshirt design in the next few days.   

 

Thanks 

Joe Russo

Dave Brisco

From chalsted at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 11:05:46 2012
From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:05:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] Watkins Glen 2012
In-Reply-To: <20120730164940.KAXXI.23432.root@hrndva-web21-z02>
Message-ID: <889386929.287942.1343667946598.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

if anyone's looking to do the dinner and drawings at Hazlitt again, they should be contacted. Elaine has Derek's phone number if you want to see about him catering it again. I also know someone who does BBQ competitions and is out of Oneonta NY about 2 1/2 hours away, maybe he could come out to do it. to me, the $$ it costs to get into the state park for the show and shine is well worth it- where else could you get a "front row seat" to an event like that for 8 bucks or so? all day parking, public exposure.... 
Craig 

From charlieandannelee at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 14:04:33 2012
From: charlieandannelee at gmail.com (Charlie and Annelee Ellis)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:04:33 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Glen
Message-ID: <CABNNbuZN3d0CozHHXVrBhMZrNjpZpViGMyRx+YR+RXV5Oh2FNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks

Dana and I will be at the Glen. Thanks Dave for stepping up to the plate.
This year DRONE will not be hosting a cook-out, at the Golden Knight.
If I can support you in any way let us know.
Charlie Ellis

From roadster at astound.net  Mon Jul 30 16:00:32 2012
From: roadster at astound.net (Fred Katz)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:00:32 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Bay Area Fun Run
In-Reply-To: <CALmuZ6DM6geCsVKWWbtBt4eAXxzEj=_KVWWfgsB1=_gL5yT10Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALmuZ6DM6geCsVKWWbtBt4eAXxzEj=_KVWWfgsB1=_gL5yT10Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2CC2CF8-3B6F-49A2-B4B6-6A3C3E452CE5@astound.net>

I'm not one for planning as my schedule is nebulous. Couldn't make your
Brisbane meet, car hasn't been out in many months. Busy with two
grandchildren.

A number of years back, went on a run with the Skid Marks group from Rohnert
Park near wine country to perhaps Bodega Bay coast area, that was fun. Can't
remember specifics, but the valley roads to a lighthouse at the coast was
beautiful. Stayed away from the towns. But it might be interesting to see town
of Bodega Bay where I think Hitchcock did The Birds (formerly the Russian town
of Port Rumyantsev when the Russians settled North California). Lots of
history around there.

Anyone from Skid Marks group still active there?

Fred Katz
SSF, CA

On Jul 29, 2012, at 3:53 PM, alvin gogineni <alvingogi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wanted to get the ball rolling on a fun run for folks in the Bay
> Area either in August or Sept. I can throw some ideas around but I'd
> really like for someone else to do all the planning
>
> So, any suggestions on:
>
> 1) Destinations
> 2) routes
> 3) meeting time/dates?
>
> I'm always down for coastal runs, but I think the East Bay hills,
> Napa/Sonoma, and even the South(Gilroy/Hollister/Livermore) would be
> really fun.
> ________________________________________

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Mon Jul 30 17:28:01 2012
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda J)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:28:01 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Bay Area Fun Run
In-Reply-To: <D2CC2CF8-3B6F-49A2-B4B6-6A3C3E452CE5@astound.net>
References: <CALmuZ6DM6geCsVKWWbtBt4eAXxzEj=_KVWWfgsB1=_gL5yT10Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2CC2CF8-3B6F-49A2-B4B6-6A3C3E452CE5@astound.net>
Message-ID: <E988730F-E941-45ED-8F3B-C394B18E87CF@netscape.net>

It can be foggy and or chilly at the coast. But I would suggest Coleman valley
Rd if you do go.

Linda

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 30, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Fred Katz <roadster at astound.net> wrote:

> I'm not one for planning as my schedule is nebulous. Couldn't make your
> Brisbane meet, car hasn't been out in many months. Busy with two
> grandchildren.
>
> A number of years back, went on a run with the Skid Marks group from
Rohnert
> Park near wine country to perhaps Bodega Bay coast area, that was fun.
Can't
> remember specifics, but the valley roads to a lighthouse at the coast was
> beautiful. Stayed away from the towns. But it might be interesting to see
town
> of Bodega Bay where I think Hitchcock did The Birds (formerly the Russian
town
> of Port Rumyantsev when the Russians settled North California). Lots of
> history around there.
>
> Anyone from Skid Marks group still active there?
>
> Fred Katz
> SSF, CA
>
> On Jul 29, 2012, at 3:53 PM, alvin gogineni <alvingogi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to get the ball rolling on a fun run for folks in the Bay
>> Area either in August or Sept. I can throw some ideas around but I'd
>> really like for someone else to do all the planning
>>
>> So, any suggestions on:
>>
>> 1) Destinations
>> 2) routes
>> 3) meeting time/dates?
>>
>> I'm always down for coastal runs, but I think the East Bay hills,
>> Napa/Sonoma, and even the South(Gilroy/Hollister/Livermore) would be
>> really fun.
>> ________________________________________
> ________________________________________
>
> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>
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From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Mon Jul 30 18:46:33 2012
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (Steve Harvey)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:46:33 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Mazda RX-7 (off topic)
Message-ID: <NNEJLCLFHGMBEEKOEPAHCEFHCPAA.stebharvey@ameritech.net>

My step-son is selling his very clean and extremely fast second owner 1985
RX-7 and he's asked me if there is a RX-7 site similar to what we enjoy? I
can't answer the question so I'm throwing it out to the wind.

Steve H.
Milwaukee

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 31 05:58:23 2012
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:58:23 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Fw:  Mazda RX-7 (off topic)
Message-ID: <C46E43F5644B4A5CAB1727FFD7C99865@ranteer.local>

tell him to go here: http://rx7club.com

From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 13:53:12 2012
From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:53:12 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Watkins Glen 2012
In-Reply-To: <000301cd6e57$e55a6890$b00f39b0$@diversia.ca>
References: <SNT113-W2061A459D5CF5110D32433D00C0@phx.gbl>
	<96AE6160EA394779A1A83930432B5348@dell1>
	<SNT114-W2620260E968DD7D84ED28D00F0@phx.gbl>
	<E5B7C668B0DE41A38E73566CE432868A@dell1>
	<000301cd6e57$e55a6890$b00f39b0$@diversia.ca>
Message-ID: <CAFEMhEuo=pFse8PxYZwVW7G+OSDfCucbZ-5pUkAZz27Lk0=VEw@mail.gmail.com>

  Tom Phelan and I are planning on being there.  Tom will be racing his
2000.

Paul
Ohio

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Fred Davidson <fred.davidson at diversia.ca>wrote:

> Hi Joe and Dave:
>
>
>
> Good to see somebody step up to "plate"
>
>
>
> As I am sure you know, this event was first organized in 1987 by Mike
> Jennings from Toronto. I organized the event for about 6 years, and it has
> changed little in that time, which is good or bad depending on your view.
> Yes, the first Saturday evening gathering was in a cabin at Seneca Lodge,
> but the "show and shine" was in the same parking area we use now.
>
>
>
> For the "Show & Shine" I like the use of the parking area on Franklin
> Street
> for the visible presence of the Datsuns on the busy street, but not keen on
> the parking fees. The Watkins Glen Festival committee have been very
> supportive of the roadsters over the years and probably were one of the
> forces to have Datsun the Marque last year.
>
>
>
> The move of the Saturday evening gathering location to Hazlitt Winery has
> been a good move in my opinion.   The Watkins Glen Datsun Roadster meet is
> unlike most other Datsun meets as there are lots of interesting things to
> do
> in the area, such as  Vintage Racing at Watkins Glen International, Vintage
> airplane museum, many winerys, the Corning Glass works etc  so it is hard
> to
> keep people together.
>
>
>
> I would suggest similar event  as in previous years this year and then at
> the Saturday night gathering,  either present some new activities to the
> group for discussion or just have an open discussion  about what people
> want.
>
>
>
> I will be in Watkins Glen in 2012, as I have been for every year since 1987
> with the same car, well probably 50 to 60 % of the car is the same.
>
>
>
> Thanks for taking this on.
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> Fred Davidson
>
> '69 Datsun 2000
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Dave and Linda [mailto:daveandlindab at verizon.net]
> Sent: July-29-12 10:38 PM
> To: 'Ed - Team One Inspections'; datsit at hotmail.com; 'Dave and Pat Freed -
> datsun'; patmc317 at yahoo.com; kearn5 at aol.com; alagams at juno.com;
> ken.tomihiro at sympatico.ca; walteremiller at yahoo.com; mark at dealermats.com;
> 'George Hobers'; nathan at goodvision.com; jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com;
> susan.tandy at bigpond.com; gcox at twcny.rr.com; jklingman at stny.rr.com;
> rksmith46 at hotmail.com; slpainter1 at cox.net; brianrreynolds at yahoo.com;
> fred.davidson at diversia.ca; charlieandannelee at gmail.com; mblind at comcast.net
> ;
> dkintner at roadrunner.com; dpscrib2 at gmail.com; keefercd at corning.com; 'Dave &
> Dawn Peskey Nowodworski - Datsun'; brendawalker98 at yahoo.com;
> vze2fhba at comcast.net; chalsted at comcast.net; nbmoyer at masoncci.com;
> maplewoodlodging at yahoo.com; craigmaw at hotmail.com; alfa at golden.net;
> sght at aol.com; adhundale at optonline.net; frank356 at aol.com; 'Al Boettcher -
> datsun'; smlibanker at comcast.net; cour.jpeg at gmail.com; tedscott at hotmail.com
> ;
> paul8kathy at gmail.com; weslent at earthlink.net; carlos.santana23 at gmail.com;
> 'quiteironic'; williammr2 at gmail.com; jack43 at airadv.net; paulydpipr at aol.com
> ;
> aznharrison at gmail.com
> Subject: Watkins Glen 2012
>
>
>
> I was speaking with Joe Russo, and we both noticed as you may have, there
> has been none of the usual Roadster events announced for the Glen this
> year.
> After Elaine retired, no one to our knowledge has taken up the cause.  I
> for
> one, was very used to showing up and all this just happening, not
> appreciating until last year the work involved when we helped only a little
> bit.
>
> Joe and I are more than willing to give some payback for the great events
> Elaine has run and to the group who attends them.  First things first, if
> there is someone organizing, please let us know, and we will be happy to
> help as you need, otherwise, we were talking about doing something similar
> to Elaine's events, but a bit less formal, as we have 40 days to get it
> together.  Show and shine, maybe in a different location as the parking
> fees
> were not popular with some, organized dinner looks like a picnic/BBQ, or we
> could combine the show and shine with a lunch or dinner.  Any and all
> suggestions and help appreciated.  This is an interim solution, as it may
> be
> a good idea to discuss the future events at this year and come up with a
> plan for 2013.  Any volunteers for this year, please let us know,.
>
>  A basic "I'll be there" woulkd be good and, if you notice anyone is
> missing
> from this list, please forward to them and have them reply so they get
> these
> messages.
>
> I'll get a Tshirt design in the next few days.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe Russo
>
> Dave Brisco
> ________________________________________
>
> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>
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