From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 14:15:34 2012 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 1969 SRL311 Datsun for sale Message-ID: <1333311334.70651.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I put my car on Ebay, guys and gals. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160776469057&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_1147wt_1165 Jim Gammon 1969 SRL311 New Jersey From RWM at RWMann.com Sun Apr 1 15:40:23 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Alternative to Bimetallic Strip Gauge Regulator? In-Reply-To: <4F73B066.8040307@RWMann.com> References: <4F707F82.6080503@RWMann.com> <51AAE9D4278C40A0A030A98AFF63C5EF@ranteer.local> <4F70CC27.1010405@RWMann.com> <4F70F1C6.9040403@RWMann.com> <007c01cd0bdc$7dd7fcb0$7987f610$@net> <4F7198DC.1030904@RWMann.com> <90FE7574-7695-4EFF-89FA-7D4F49145160@netscape.net> <4F71FEF4.3010107@RWMann.com> <002301cd0c94$e92e2120$bb8a6360$@cox.net> <1332965636.17354.YahooMailNeo@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06F930F87D29AB48A06F30F1F21E65A1CF58C0DF@EXNSW-MBX01.nexus.csiro.au> <4F73B066.8040307@RWMann.com> Message-ID: <4F78CB47.4030906@RWMann.com> Verdict: The Moss solid state gauge regulator works fine, but is a little "hot"; I'll be tuning it with a dropping resistor. On 3/28/2012 8:44 PM, RWM wrote: > Now that you mention it, Charlie, I recall that. > > I'm betting there is ~2V of additional voltage drop in a 40-year old > electrical harness and connectors... > > - Bob > > > On 3/28/2012 7:26 PM, Ken.Smart at csiro.au wrote: >> For reference. >> >> Those with long memories may recall Tom Walter's solid state voltage >> regulator. I built one many years ago based on his specs. >> >> A quick read of the Moss Motors PDF indicates that it drops the >> voltage to 10v >> (unless I missed something ) >> >> Toms original post is copied below from the list archive indicates >> the need >> for a voltage lower than 10 somewhere around 7-8v: >> >> > From Tom Walter: >> I am working on a solid state replacement but don't have a good unit to >> compare with. >> >> Charlie, >> >> There have been a few versions of the solid state regulator made up. I >> posted the version below, to which Lou in Australia pointed out a LM7808 >> (fixed regulator) would have saved me a few resistors. ;-) >> >> Barrie reported his roadster "liked" 7.3 volts, someone else cameback >> with 7.6 volts, and my >> car seemed to prefer closer to 8.0 volts for a fixed voltage to replace >> the mechanically instrument voltage regulator. >> >> Have fun! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tom >> >> wrote this a while back: >> >>> For the voltage regulator, those electronic hobbyist >>> on the list should be able to make a simple replacement. >>> >>> Parts list: >>> >>> LM317T (T0-220 package) >>> R1 (out to adj pin) 220 Ohm >>> R2 (adj to gnd) 1200 Ohm >>> Diode (Voltage to in) IN4007 >>> input cap 0.1ufd (disc 60V is fine) >>> output cap 1.0ufd (tant. atleast 16V) >>> >>> For the circuit, look at a LM317 datasheet. Check the >>> LINEAR Databook's (Motorola, National Semiconductor, etc). >>> The diode just prevents reverse voltage spikes from damaging >>> the regulator. >>> >>> Mount the heatsink tab with mica washers (pin 2 is connected >>> to the tab). Output voltage is apprx 8V. >>> >> > Note: I think the system, as a whole, was temperature >>> compensated. The electronic regulator may cause the gauges >>> to read a little higher when it is HOT outside (haven't >>> investigated this). >>> >>> Everything should fit back inside the original case, >>> keeping a stock appearance. >>> >>> For thosee who are NOT electronic hobbyist, it is still >>> much simplier to replace the OEM unit with one from >>> NISSAN (about $13). >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roy >> Haslett >> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 7:14 AM >> To: Walter.Peterson; 'RWM'; 'Datsun Roadster List' >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Alternative to Bimetallic Strip Gauge >> Regulator? >> >> Thanks for the great info everyone, my fuel and temp gauges >> have been >> indicating a little low. This part should do the trick. >> Roy >> 67 low 1600 From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 1 22:55:12 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:55:12 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Archive progress Message-ID: <4F793130.8000705@bradakis.com> I have been working on the archives. They are still not perfect, but a lot more of the posts from the last few years are there now. Link below, enjoy. mjb. From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 2 08:50:18 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] SPL213 on BAT Message-ID: <1333378218.61469.YahooMailClassic@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://bringatrailer.com/2012/04/01/1962-datsun-spl213-fairlady/ \ From RWM at RWMann.com Mon Apr 2 09:24:15 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:24:15 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Alternative to Bimetallic Strip Gauge Regulator? In-Reply-To: <4F78CB47.4030906@RWMann.com> References: <4F707F82.6080503@RWMann.com> <51AAE9D4278C40A0A030A98AFF63C5EF@ranteer.local> <4F70CC27.1010405@RWMann.com> <4F70F1C6.9040403@RWMann.com> <007c01cd0bdc$7dd7fcb0$7987f610$@net> <4F7198DC.1030904@RWMann.com> <90FE7574-7695-4EFF-89FA-7D4F49145160@netscape.net> <4F71FEF4.3010107@RWMann.com> <002301cd0c94$e92e2120$bb8a6360$@cox.net> <1332965636.17354.YahooMailNeo@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06F930F87D29AB48A06F30F1F21E65A1CF58C0DF@EXNSW-MBX01.nexus.csiro.au> <4F73B066.8040307@RWMann.com> <4F78CB47.4030906@RWMann.com> Message-ID: <4F79C49F.5000309@RWMann.com> Several 1N4001 silicon rectifier diodes in series as a voltage dropping method makes more sense than a resistor. In addition, a little extra attention to the OEM bi-metallic got it working as designed, so now I have two options. On 4/1/2012 5:40 PM, RWM wrote: > Verdict: The Moss solid state gauge regulator works fine, but is a > little "hot"; I'll be tuning it with a dropping resistor. > > > On 3/28/2012 8:44 PM, RWM wrote: >> Now that you mention it, Charlie, I recall that. >> >> I'm betting there is ~2V of additional voltage drop in a 40-year old >> electrical harness and connectors... >> >> - Bob >> >> >> On 3/28/2012 7:26 PM, Ken.Smart at csiro.au wrote: >>> For reference. >>> >>> Those with long memories may recall Tom Walter's solid state voltage >>> regulator. I built one many years ago based on his specs. >>> >>> A quick read of the Moss Motors PDF indicates that it drops the >>> voltage to 10v >>> (unless I missed something ) >>> >>> Toms original post is copied below from the list archive indicates >>> the need >>> for a voltage lower than 10 somewhere around 7-8v: >>> >>> > From Tom Walter: >>> I am working on a solid state replacement but don't have a good unit to >>> compare with. >>> >>> Charlie, >>> >>> There have been a few versions of the solid state regulator made up. I >>> posted the version below, to which Lou in Australia pointed out a >>> LM7808 >>> (fixed regulator) would have saved me a few resistors. ;-) >>> >>> Barrie reported his roadster "liked" 7.3 volts, someone else cameback >>> with 7.6 volts, and my >>> car seemed to prefer closer to 8.0 volts for a fixed voltage to replace >>> the mechanically instrument voltage regulator. >>> >>> Have fun! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> wrote this a while back: >>> >>>> For the voltage regulator, those electronic hobbyist >>>> on the list should be able to make a simple replacement. >>>> >>>> Parts list: >>>> >>>> LM317T (T0-220 package) >>>> R1 (out to adj pin) 220 Ohm >>>> R2 (adj to gnd) 1200 Ohm >>>> Diode (Voltage to in) IN4007 >>>> input cap 0.1ufd (disc 60V is fine) >>>> output cap 1.0ufd (tant. atleast 16V) >>>> >>>> For the circuit, look at a LM317 datasheet. Check the >>>> LINEAR Databook's (Motorola, National Semiconductor, etc). >>>> The diode just prevents reverse voltage spikes from damaging >>>> the regulator. >>>> >>>> Mount the heatsink tab with mica washers (pin 2 is connected >>>> to the tab). Output voltage is apprx 8V. >>>> >>> > Note: I think the system, as a whole, was temperature >>>> compensated. The electronic regulator may cause the gauges >>>> to read a little higher when it is HOT outside (haven't >>>> investigated this). >>>> >>>> Everything should fit back inside the original case, >>>> keeping a stock appearance. >>>> >>>> For thosee who are NOT electronic hobbyist, it is still >>>> much simplier to replace the OEM unit with one from >>>> NISSAN (about $13). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roy >>> Haslett >>> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 7:14 AM >>> To: Walter.Peterson; 'RWM'; 'Datsun Roadster List' >>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Alternative to Bimetallic Strip Gauge >>> Regulator? >>> >>> Thanks for the great info everyone, my fuel and temp gauges >>> have been >>> indicating a little low. This part should do the trick. >>> Roy >>> 67 low 1600 From RWM at RWMann.com Mon Apr 2 12:51:06 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:51:06 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Alternative to Bimetallic Strip Gauge Regulator? In-Reply-To: <2C3E352A-C061-48BB-9A32-33C4E9C317BD@aim.com> References: <4F707F82.6080503@RWMann.com> <51AAE9D4278C40A0A030A98AFF63C5EF@ranteer.local> <4F70CC27.1010405@RWMann.com> <4F70F1C6.9040403@RWMann.com> <007c01cd0bdc$7dd7fcb0$7987f610$@net> <4F7198DC.1030904@RWMann.com> <90FE7574-7695-4EFF-89FA-7D4F49145160@netscape.net> <4F71FEF4.3010107@RWMann.com> <002301cd0c94$e92e2120$bb8a6360$@cox.net> <1332965636.17354.YahooMailNeo@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06F930F87D29AB48A06F30F1F21E65A1CF58C0DF@EXNSW-MBX01.nexus.csiro.au> <4F73B066.8040307@RWMann.com> <4F78CB47.4030906@RWMann.com> <4F79C49F.5000309@RWMann.com> <2C3E352A-C061-48BB-9A32-33C4E9C317BD@aim.com> Message-ID: <4F79F51A.1010504@RWMann.com> Exactly, Linda. Depending on the hardware specs, each 1N4001 silicon rectifier diode drops the voltage by 0.7-0.8 volts, so for a ~2V drop and 7-8V output voltage, 3 in series should work, then measure the output voltage to confirm. I have no idea how, but turns out the OEM VR bimetallic strip and heating element had gotten themselves into a twist such that the module entered either a constant open or constant closed condition. I re-profiled the spring and burnished the contacts and the OEM seems to work as designed. I'll keep it as a backup to the solid state module. On 4/2/2012 2:19 PM, linda wrote: > Several as in 2? Then you just test the output voltage? > I had also heard the 510 VR worked but had a different mounting bracket. > > Linda > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:24 AM, RWM wrote: > >> Several 1N4001 silicon rectifier diodes in series as a voltage dropping method makes more sense than a resistor. >> >> In addition, a little extra attention to the OEM bi-metallic got it working as designed, so now I have two options. >> >> >> On 4/1/2012 5:40 PM, RWM wrote: >>> Verdict: The Moss solid state gauge regulator works fine, but is a little "hot"; I'll be tuning it with a dropping resistor. >>> >>> >>> On 3/28/2012 8:44 PM, RWM wrote: >>>> Now that you mention it, Charlie, I recall that. >>>> >>>> I'm betting there is ~2V of additional voltage drop in a 40-year old electrical harness and connectors... >>>> >>>> - Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/28/2012 7:26 PM, Ken.Smart at csiro.au wrote: >>>>> For reference. >>>>> >>>>> Those with long memories may recall Tom Walter's solid state voltage >>>>> regulator. I built one many years ago based on his specs. >>>>> >>>>> A quick read of the Moss Motors PDF indicates that it drops the voltage to 10v >>>>> (unless I missed something ) >>>>> >>>>> Toms original post is copied below from the list archive indicates the need >>>>> for a voltage lower than 10 somewhere around 7-8v: >>>>> >>>>>> From Tom Walter: >>>>> I am working on a solid state replacement but don't have a good unit to >>>>> compare with. >>>>> >>>>> Charlie, >>>>> >>>>> There have been a few versions of the solid state regulator made up. I >>>>> posted the version below, to which Lou in Australia pointed out a LM7808 >>>>> (fixed regulator) would have saved me a few resistors. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Barrie reported his roadster "liked" 7.3 volts, someone else cameback >>>>> with 7.6 volts, and my >>>>> car seemed to prefer closer to 8.0 volts for a fixed voltage to replace >>>>> the mechanically instrument voltage regulator. >>>>> >>>>> Have fun! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> wrote this a while back: >>>>> >>>>>> For the voltage regulator, those electronic hobbyist >>>>>> on the list should be able to make a simple replacement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Parts list: >>>>>> >>>>>> LM317T (T0-220 package) >>>>>> R1 (out to adj pin) 220 Ohm >>>>>> R2 (adj to gnd) 1200 Ohm >>>>>> Diode (Voltage to in) IN4007 >>>>>> input cap 0.1ufd (disc 60V is fine) >>>>>> output cap 1.0ufd (tant. atleast 16V) >>>>>> >>>>>> For the circuit, look at a LM317 datasheet. Check the >>>>>> LINEAR Databook's (Motorola, National Semiconductor, etc). >>>>>> The diode just prevents reverse voltage spikes from damaging >>>>>> the regulator. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mount the heatsink tab with mica washers (pin 2 is connected >>>>>> to the tab). Output voltage is apprx 8V. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note: I think the system, as a whole, was temperature >>>>>> compensated. The electronic regulator may cause the gauges >>>>>> to read a little higher when it is HOT outside (haven't >>>>>> investigated this). >>>>>> >>>>>> Everything should fit back inside the original case, >>>>>> keeping a stock appearance. >>>>>> >>>>>> For thosee who are NOT electronic hobbyist, it is still >>>>>> much simplier to replace the OEM unit with one from >>>>>> NISSAN (about $13). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net >>>>> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roy Haslett >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 7:14 AM >>>>> To: Walter.Peterson; 'RWM'; 'Datsun Roadster List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Alternative to Bimetallic Strip Gauge Regulator? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the great info everyone, my fuel and temp gauges have been >>>>> indicating a little low. This part should do the trick. >>>>> Roy >>>>> 67 low 1600 From rabush2000 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 14:15:11 2012 From: rabush2000 at hotmail.com (Richard Bush) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:15:11 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 1967 Front Bumper In-Reply-To: <4F79C49F.5000309@RWMann.com> References: <4F707F82.6080503@RWMann.com> <51AAE9D4278C40A0A030A98AFF63C5EF@ranteer.local> <4F70CC27.1010405@RWMann.com> <4F70F1C6.9040403@RWMann.com> <007c01cd0bdc$7dd7fcb0$7987f610$@net> <4F7198DC.1030904@RWMann.com> <90FE7574-7695-4EFF-89FA-7D4F49145160@netscape.net> <4F71FEF4.3010107@RWMann.com> <002301cd0c94$e92e2120$bb8a6360$@cox.net> <1332965636.17354.YahooMailNeo@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06F930F87D29AB48A06F30F1F21E65A1CF58C0DF@EXNSW-MBX01.nexus.csiro.au> <4F73B066.8040307@RWMann.com> <4F78CB47.4030906@RWMann.com> <4F79C49F.5000309@RWMann.com> Message-ID: Greetings all, Another question - a simple one: My front bumper, which had to come off to affix the license plate, has a flat panel in the middle on one side. Does the panel face up or down when installed? Richard Bush 512 574 8081 From jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com Mon Apr 2 18:35:32 2012 From: jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com (Joe Russo) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Alternative to Bimetallic Strip Gauge Regulator? In-Reply-To: <4F79C49F.5000309@RWMann.com> References: <4F707F82.6080503@RWMann.com> <51AAE9D4278C40A0A030A98AFF63C5EF@ranteer.local> <4F70CC27.1010405@RWMann.com> <4F70F1C6.9040403@RWMann.com> <007c01cd0bdc$7dd7fcb0$7987f610$@net> <4F7198DC.1030904@RWMann.com> <90FE7574-7695-4EFF-89FA-7D4F49145160@netscape.net> <4F71FEF4.3010107@RWMann.com> <002301cd0c94$e92e2120$bb8a6360$@cox.net> <1332965636.17354.YahooMailNeo@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06F930F87D29AB48A06F30F1F21E65A1CF58C0DF@EXNSW-MBX01.nexus.csiro.au> <4F73B066.8040307@RWMann.com> <4F78CB47.4030906@RWMann.com> <4F79C49F.5000309@RWMann.com> Message-ID: <3F34E13D-115B-4C87-96F1-96291F055568@rochester.rr.com> Diodes in series is a good approach. The voltage dropped across them will not vary with load current. Just be sure they are connected in the correct polarity, that is, higher potential to the side without the stripe. If you connect backwards, they will block all current flow to the load. Joe Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2012, at 11:24 AM, RWM wrote: > Several 1N4001 silicon rectifier diodes in series as a voltage dropping method makes more sense than a resistor. > > In addition, a little extra attention to the OEM bi-metallic got it working as designed, so now I have two options. > > > On 4/1/2012 5:40 PM, RWM wrote: >> Verdict: The Moss solid state gauge regulator works fine, but is a little "hot"; I'll be tuning it with a dropping resistor. >> >> >> On 3/28/2012 8:44 PM, RWM wrote: >>> Now that you mention it, Charlie, I recall that. >>> >>> I'm betting there is ~2V of additional voltage drop in a 40-year old electrical harness and connectors... >>> >>> - Bob >>> >>> >>> On 3/28/2012 7:26 PM, Ken.Smart at csiro.au wrote: >>>> For reference. >>>> >>>> Those with long memories may recall Tom Walter's solid state voltage >>>> regulator. I built one many years ago based on his specs. >>>> >>>> A quick read of the Moss Motors PDF indicates that it drops the voltage to 10v >>>> (unless I missed something ) >>>> >>>> Toms original post is copied below from the list archive indicates the need >>>> for a voltage lower than 10 somewhere around 7-8v: >>>> >>>> > From Tom Walter: >>>> I am working on a solid state replacement but don't have a good unit to >>>> compare with. >>>> >>>> Charlie, >>>> >>>> There have been a few versions of the solid state regulator made up. I >>>> posted the version below, to which Lou in Australia pointed out a LM7808 >>>> (fixed regulator) would have saved me a few resistors. ;-) >>>> >>>> Barrie reported his roadster "liked" 7.3 volts, someone else cameback >>>> with 7.6 volts, and my >>>> car seemed to prefer closer to 8.0 volts for a fixed voltage to replace >>>> the mechanically instrument voltage regulator. >>>> >>>> Have fun! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> wrote this a while back: >>>> >>>>> For the voltage regulator, those electronic hobbyist >>>>> on the list should be able to make a simple replacement. >>>>> >>>>> Parts list: >>>>> >>>>> LM317T (T0-220 package) >>>>> R1 (out to adj pin) 220 Ohm >>>>> R2 (adj to gnd) 1200 Ohm >>>>> Diode (Voltage to in) IN4007 >>>>> input cap 0.1ufd (disc 60V is fine) >>>>> output cap 1.0ufd (tant. atleast 16V) >>>>> >>>>> For the circuit, look at a LM317 datasheet. Check the >>>>> LINEAR Databook's (Motorola, National Semiconductor, etc). >>>>> The diode just prevents reverse voltage spikes from damaging >>>>> the regulator. >>>>> >>>>> Mount the heatsink tab with mica washers (pin 2 is connected >>>>> to the tab). Output voltage is apprx 8V. >>>>> >>>> > Note: I think the system, as a whole, was temperature >>>>> compensated. The electronic regulator may cause the gauges >>>>> to read a little higher when it is HOT outside (haven't >>>>> investigated this). >>>>> >>>>> Everything should fit back inside the original case, >>>>> keeping a stock appearance. >>>>> >>>>> For thosee who are NOT electronic hobbyist, it is still >>>>> much simplier to replace the OEM unit with one from >>>>> NISSAN (about $13). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net >>>> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roy Haslett >>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 7:14 AM >>>> To: Walter.Peterson; 'RWM'; 'Datsun Roadster List' >>>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Alternative to Bimetallic Strip Gauge Regulator? >>>> >>>> Thanks for the great info everyone, my fuel and temp gauges have been >>>> indicating a little low. This part should do the trick. >>>> Roy >>>> 67 low 1600 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/jrusso07 at rochester.rr. com From aultgc at att.net Mon Apr 2 19:12:57 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 1967 Front Bumper References: <4F707F82.6080503@RWMann.com><51AAE9D4278C40A0A030A98AFF63C5EF@ranteer.local><4F70CC27.1010405@RWMann.com> <4F70F1C6.9040403@RWMann.com> <007c01cd0bdc$7dd7fcb0$7987f610$@net><4F7198DC.1030904@RWMann.com><90FE7574-7695-4EFF-89FA-7D4F49145160@netscape.net><4F71FEF4.3010107@RWMann.com><002301cd0c94$e92e2120$bb8a6360$@cox.net><1332965636.17354.YahooMailNeo@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><06F930F87D29AB48A06F30F1F21E65A1CF58C0DF@EXNSW-MBX01.nexus.csiro.au><4F73B066.8040307@RWMann.com> <4F78CB47.4030906@RWMann.com><4F79C49F.5000309@RWMann.com> Message-ID: <514227E6DEEB42348824751C1057F5E2@gaxp1> Richard, Up. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bush" To: "RWM" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:15 PM Subject: [Roadsters] 1967 Front Bumper > Greetings all, > > Another question - a simple one: My front bumper, which had to come off > to > affix the license plate, has a flat panel in the middle on one side. Does > the > panel face up or down when installed? > > Richard Bush > 512 574 8081 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From RWM at RWMann.com Mon Apr 2 20:06:20 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:06:20 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] --> Re: 1967 Front Bumper In-Reply-To: <514227E6DEEB42348824751C1057F5E2@gaxp1> References: <4F707F82.6080503@RWMann.com><51AAE9D4278C40A0A030A98AFF63C5EF@ranteer.local><4F70CC27.1010405@RWMann.com> <4F70F1C6.9040403@RWMann.com> <007c01cd0bdc$7dd7fcb0$7987f610$@net><4F7198DC.1030904@RWMann.com><90FE7574-7695-4EFF-89FA-7D4F49145160@netscape.net><4F71FEF4.3010107@RWMann.com><002301cd0c94$e92e2120$bb8a6360$@cox.net><1332965636.17354.YahooMailNeo@web130205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><06F930F87D29AB48A06F30F1F21E65A1CF58C0DF@EXNSW-MBX01.nexus.csiro.au><4F73B066.8040307@RWMann.com> <4F78CB47.4030906@RWMann.com><4F79C49F.5000309@RWMann.com> <514227E6DEEB42348824751C1057F5E2@gaxp1> Message-ID: <4F7A5B1C.6090407@RWMann.com> Same on my '68, for what that's worth on a '67. On 4/2/2012 9:12 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > Richard, > > Up. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bush" > > To: "RWM" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:15 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] 1967 Front Bumper > > >> Greetings all, >> >> Another question - a simple one: My front bumper, which had to come >> off to >> affix the license plate, has a flat panel in the middle on one side. >> Does the >> panel face up or down when installed? >> >> Richard Bush >> 512 574 8081 From stephen.holst at randrglobal.com Tue Apr 3 06:19:59 2012 From: stephen.holst at randrglobal.com (Stephen Holst) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:19:59 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] --> Re: 1967 Front Bumper In-Reply-To: <4F7A5B1C.6090407@RWMann.com> Message-ID: Up is the way my 68 2000 came from the factory in Japan. On 4/2/12 10:06 PM, "RWM" wrote: > Same on my '68, for what that's worth on a '67. > > > On 4/2/2012 9:12 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Up. >> >> Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bush" >> >> To: "RWM" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:15 PM >> Subject: [Roadsters] 1967 Front Bumper >> >> >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> Another question - a simple one: My front bumper, which had to come >>> off to >>> affix the license plate, has a flat panel in the middle on one side. >>> Does the >>> panel face up or down when installed? >>> >>> Richard Bush >>> 512 574 8081 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/stephen.holst at randrglob > al.com From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 5 21:56:31 2012 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 22:56:31 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] vent windows assembly - low windshield In-Reply-To: <1332961201.22640.YahooMailRC@web180213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5175999.1332876880442.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net><1332905681.51153.YahooMailNeo@web130202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1332961201.22640.YahooMailRC@web180213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, all. low windshield people only. I received my vent window assemblies in kit form. had what I got chrome plated. now we are trying to assemble the pieces, and I know I'm missing stuff. I have the manual with the diagram, but its kind of hard to read. I would be very grateful for close up detail pictures of how the glass attaches, especially the little "bolt" that goes through the hole in the glass. thanks so much! soon another datsun roadster on the road!!!!! From aultgc at att.net Thu Apr 5 23:55:22 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 00:55:22 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] vent windows assembly - low windshield References: <5175999.1332876880442.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net><1332905681.51153.YahooMailNeo@web130202.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1332961201.22640.YahooMailRC@web180213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17D7F198D54B4FC08B1767FE5466F54F@gaxp1> Dave, I presume you have the roughly triangular rounded fitting which receives the machine screw which goes through the hole in the glass? And, I presume the plater took the need for the little prong riveted to the frame to fit into the hole in the fitting? (My plater did not, on the first try, because he didn't know how the assembly went together. He graciously reworked the plating, with an admonishment to me to tell them about any parts which need to fit together in the future. Paul's Chrome in Pennsylvania. Expensive, but first-rate and highly recommended. He's in "Hemmings".) I can get some photos tomorrow (Friday) evening, but once you see a photo, the diagram will make sense. I can send a "clean" scan from the Nissan Parts Manual, if that will help. (I have a nice photocopy of a dealer's manual I made -- page by page because not many copiers had automatic feeders at the time -- one Saturday in 1978. The images are better than the ones in the DVDs you can buy on eBay.) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave n" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:56 PM Subject: [Roadsters] vent windows assembly - low windshield > Hi, all. low windshield people only. > > I received my vent window assemblies in kit form. had what I got chrome > plated. > > now we are trying to assemble the pieces, and I know I'm missing stuff. I > have the manual with the diagram, but its kind of hard to read. > > I would be very grateful for close up detail pictures of how the glass > attaches, especially the little "bolt" that goes through the hole in the > glass. > > thanks so much! soon another datsun roadster on the road!!!!! > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From graemes at internode.on.net Fri Apr 6 00:25:22 2012 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme Suckling) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:55:22 +0930 Subject: [Roadsters] vent windows assembly - low windshield In-Reply-To: References: <5175999.1332876880442.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net><1332905681.51153.YahooMailNeo@web130202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1332961201.22640.YahooMailRC@web180213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F7E8C52.10804@internode.on.net> Is this pic. any clearer for you? I scanned it a 600dpi Regards, Graeme Suckling http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza Adelaide South Australia. On 6/04/2012 1:26 PM, dave n wrote: > Hi, all. low windshield people only. > > I received my vent window assemblies in kit form. had what I got > chrome plated. > > now we are trying to assemble the pieces, and I know I'm missing > stuff. I have the manual with the diagram, but its kind of hard to read. > > I would be very grateful for close up detail pictures of how the glass > attaches, especially the little "bolt" that goes through the hole in > the glass. > > thanks so much! soon another datsun roadster on the road!!!!! > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/graemes at internode.on.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of SP310 front window detail.jpg] From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 12:06:10 2012 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:06:10 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Need parts - 1970 (Eliza) Message-ID: Eliza caught fire - trashed the interior - looking for a few passable parts for now 1) window 2) Glove box door (?) 3) Center Console 4) Radio Console 5) Light Knob Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] 818 448 3181 From svedise at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 13:15:44 2012 From: svedise at hotmail.com (Jim Svedise) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:15:44 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun and Motto Guzzi Message-ID: Hi all looking to talk to the person who has or had Motto Guzzi and a roadster. I think they live in AZ. Great weather down here in San Carlos, MX. Think I will take the car out. Jim Svedise 70 2000 75 Motto Guzzi From rabush2000 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 15:14:32 2012 From: rabush2000 at hotmail.com (Richard Bush) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 16:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Polished Aluminum Door Panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone have matching aluminum door panels that they would like to sell? I need the set: two that fix to the bottom of each door and the two that sit on the door well itself. I believe all were made of polished aluminum. Car is a 1967 2000. Thanks, Richard Bush 512 574 8081 From tputland at charter.net Fri Apr 6 16:17:17 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Need parts - 1970 (Eliza) Message-ID: <759b4b12.56cd40.13689bba515.Webtop.45@charter.net> As I said in my 311s reply, I can do the window for sure cheap cheap and probably most of the rest of htis stuff but am in WI so let me know if you cannot find anything in socal. tim On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:06 PM, peter harrison wrote: > Eliza caught fire - trashed the interior - looking for a few passable > parts > for now > 1) window > 2) Glove box door (?) > 3) Center Console > 4) Radio Console > 5) Light Knob > > > > > Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] > 818 448 3181 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net From tputland at charter.net Fri Apr 6 20:26:20 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Eastwood & POR 15 Message-ID: <2380ded5.56f36d.1368a9fa6e8.Webtop.45@charter.net> Eastwood has free shipping going right now and a sale on POR15 as well. If you need POR15 Eastwood has it the same price as the POR15 people all the time but right now it is on sale with free shipping. tim From ppeters914 at comcast.net Fri Apr 6 23:06:29 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 22:06:29 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Eastwood & POR 15 In-Reply-To: <2380ded5.56f36d.1368a9fa6e8.Webtop.45@charter.net> References: <2380ded5.56f36d.1368a9fa6e8.Webtop.45@charter.net> Message-ID: <01a201cd147c$31be55b0$953b0110$@net> Interesting & odd (to me, anyway) that Eastwood would sell a competing product. Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:26 PM To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Eastwood & POR 15 Eastwood has free shipping going right now and a sale on POR15 as well. If you need POR15 Eastwood has it the same price as the POR15 people all the time but right now it is on sale with free shipping. tim ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ppeters914 at comcast.ne t From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 23:44:47 2012 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 22:44:47 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza Message-ID: Just a sorry video of potentially avoidable damage - BUT - she is still running strong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjIMpHxit0&feature=youtu.be Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] 818 448 3181 From keithddowning at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 07:41:15 2012 From: keithddowning at yahoo.com (Keith Downing) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 06:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1333806075.84483.YahooMailRC@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Oh Peter. I'm so sorry. Will she make it to the SoCalROC BBQ today? Keith ________________________________ From: peter harrison To: datsun Sent: Fri, April 6, 2012 10:44:47 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza Just a sorry video of potentially avoidable damage - BUT - she is still running strong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjIMpHxit0&feature=youtu.be Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] 818 448 3181 ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/keithddowning at yahoo.co m From tputland at charter.net Sat Apr 7 08:22:38 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Eastwood & POR 15 Message-ID: <29a20867.204281.1368d2f71b8.Webtop.43@charter.net> Yea, that struck me as funny as well last year when I found this out. But since the Eastwood non sale price is the same as on the POR15 web site AND I am ALWAYS unable to order using the POR15 web site (what a PITA!!!!!), I just get the stuff from Eastwood. Add on (or subtract if you want) the free shipping I usually get fron Eastwood, this becomes a no-brainer. tim On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Pete Peters wrote: > Interesting & odd (to me, anyway) that Eastwood would sell a competing > product. > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:26 PM > To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Eastwood & POR 15 > > Eastwood has free shipping going right now and a sale on POR15 as > well. If you need POR15 Eastwood has it the same price as the POR15 > people all the > time but right now it is on sale with free shipping. > > tim From tputland at charter.net Sat Apr 7 08:26:15 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza Message-ID: <144634d5.204323.1368d32c02c.Webtop.43@charter.net> So how did this happen? When I hear "Roadster fire" I think carby area.... tim On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:44 AM, peter harrison wrote: > Just a sorry video of potentially avoidable damage - BUT - she is > still > running strong > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjIMpHxit0&feature=youtu.be > > Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] > 818 448 3181 From chito.santaana at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 09:30:09 2012 From: chito.santaana at gmail.com (Chito Santa Ana) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:30:09 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] front spring Message-ID: Help, has anybody installed a pair of 54010 super front springs in their roadster? How did it affect the ride and handling. I have a brand new pair with the short bump stops that came with the car, I don't know if I should install it, thanks. From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 11:52:01 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:52:01 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] front spring Message-ID: <305377132-1333821121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1202583747-@b15.c20.bise6.blackberry> What are 54010 super front springs? Pete ------Original Message------ From: Chito Santa Ana Sender: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net To: Datsun Roadster List Subject: [Roadsters] front spring Sent: Apr 7, 2012 8:30 AM Help, has anybody installed a pair of 54010 super front springs in their roadster? How did it affect the ride and handling. I have a brand new pair with the short bump stops that came with the car, I don't know if I should install it, thanks. ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ppeters914 at comcast.net Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 15:51:35 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:51:35 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004501cd1508$9ab9c540$d02d4fc0$@net> The voltage output from the radio/stereo to speakers is minimal. I wouldn't think it was enough to start a fire. Apparently I'm mistaken. :--( Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of peter harrison Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:45 PM To: datsun Subject: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza Just a sorry video of potentially avoidable damage - BUT - she is still running strong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjIMpHxit0&feature=youtu.be Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] 818 448 3181 ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ppeters914 at comcast.ne t From mingocast at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 20:49:59 2012 From: mingocast at gmail.com (Domingo Castilleja) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:49:59 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Starter Message-ID: I have a 1970 datsun spl311. Can you tell me how the starter is grounded. mingocast From aultgc at att.net Sat Apr 7 21:58:50 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:58:50 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Starter References: Message-ID: <0F0B89A257AD4AC0B6AE98CE23D5FB7A@gaxp1> Two ways (redundant): 1) Through the starter body, through the engine, to the frame, and 2) from the starter flange bolt directly to the frame. You'll find a small opening in the frame adjacent to the starter, which has a captive nut inside the frame. The frame end of the staarter ground cable attaches there. The starter ground cable is about 1/4-inches in diameter. The starter will perform all right without the separate ground cable, but I added one to my '67-1/2, which did not have separate cable when I bought it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domingo Castilleja" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 9:49 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Starter >I have a 1970 datsun spl311. Can you tell me how the starter is grounded. > mingocast > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sun Apr 8 01:29:36 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:29:36 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] FW: Video of Burnt Eliza Message-ID: <006f01cd1559$5a4cd5f0$0ee681d0$@net> Think this should have gone to Peter (the roadster owner) and/or the list.... -----Original Message----- From: Andy Pastore [mailto:ajpastore at rcn.com] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 7:44 PM To: Pete Peters Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza I don't know if you found the exact source of the fire yet but I want to mention something that has happened to me. It's a bit wacky but true. One summer I noticed what appeared to be melted spots on the vinyl seat back of the drivers side. It upset me because they were relatively new and in perfect shape. I thought maybe I got some cleaning solvent or brake fluid or something on my back while crawling around on the ground and transferred it to the seat. Then some time later that summer in the morning, I pulled the car out of the garage and left it in the driveway, top down, while doing something in the garage. After a while I looked out at the car and saw smoke wafting up from the drivers seat back. It was the sun, reflecting off the steering wheel and pinpointing a "laser" of heat onto the seat and burning a hole! Really? WTF On my roadster I installed a steering wheel which I can't remember the name of. This wheel has a very shiny chrome horn button that acted like a parabolic collector/reflector, pinpointing the suns power to my seat. If I hadn't noticed it I'm sure it would have continued until the sun moved enough to stop the "laser" or even started the seat afire when it made through to the foam. I can't tell from your video which steering wheel you have but is it possible this may have happened to Eliza? The different spots on the back of my seat prove that it happened more than once and in slightly different positions so it wasn't a one in a million type of thing. In the morning during the summer, the sun shines perfectly down my driveway, low in the sky and hotter than hell. As far as the speaker wires...unless the amp malfunctioned, it's not very likely you could get enough current to start a fire with out the fuse blowing. It would require more power than the amp should put out before just stopping working. A shorted speaker can get pretty hot but you need many watts of continuous power to get it to glow and the voice coil would burn out before that or the amp would crap out. Does the radio still work? All the channels left and right? If so I really doubt the stereo was the culprit. Good luck and I'm sorry this happened to you. regards, Andy Pastore > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of peter > harrison > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:45 PM > To: datsun > Subject: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza > > Just a sorry video of potentially avoidable damage - BUT - she is > still running strong > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjIMpHxit0&feature=youtu.be > > Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] > 818 448 3181 From dscrib2 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 07:38:52 2012 From: dscrib2 at hotmail.com (Dana Scribner) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission Message-ID: I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission in a Roadster for her. She just cant master a standard. I told her Ill catch grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out there? Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters From stephen.holst at randrglobal.com Sun Apr 8 07:52:39 2012 From: stephen.holst at randrglobal.com (Stephen Holst) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:52:39 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You are joking? Please tell me it is a joke. On 4/8/12 9:38 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: > I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission in a > Roadster for her. She just can9t master a standard. I told her I9ll catch > grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might > be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out > there? > > Dana S > Owner of 1 too many Roadsters From mark at dealermats.com Sun Apr 8 08:24:35 2012 From: mark at dealermats.com (Mark Dent) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:24:35 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B56DFD9-8DFB-404C-AE13-848B7FDE7946@dealermats.com> Auto from a 411 bolts right up. Shifter and interior trim from a 240 goes on top and looks stock. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Dana Scribner wrote: > I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission > in a Roadster for her. She just cant master a standard. I told her Ill catch > grief > but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might be > able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out > there? > > Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/mark at dealermats.com From ljordan704 at netscape.net Sun Apr 8 08:26:00 2012 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda Jordan) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It has been done, and well, by Kevin Desirello. Check 311 to contact Kevin for details. I 'm all for what anyone wants to do and to help out someone who isn't able to physically drive the car as is. Linda Sent from my iPod On Apr 8, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Stephen Holst wrote: > You are joking? Please tell me it is a joke. > > > On 4/8/12 9:38 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: > >> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission in a >> Roadster for her. She just can9t master a standard. I told her I9ll catch >> grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I > might >> be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out >> there? >> >> Dana S >> Owner of 1 too many Roadsters > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.ne t From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 08:28:30 2012 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1333895310.62362.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> There have been people who fit a Chevy V8 and powerglide into a 240Z, and I've heard of similar Roadster mods. Jim ________________________________ From: Stephen Holst To: Dana Scribner ; drone ; datsun roadsters Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] automatic transmission You are joking? Please tell me it is a joke. On 4/8/12 9:38 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: > I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission in a > Roadster for her. She just can9t master a standard. I told her I9ll catch > grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might > be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out > there? > > Dana S > Owner of 1 too many Roadsters ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com From ronnie.day at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 08:48:00 2012 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:48:00 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can it be done? Sure, but i doubt it would be cheaply? I seriously doubt it. Off the top of my head I don't remember if the R-16 was offered with an AT, but if so it'd be tough to find one now. It might be easier to swap in a KA-24 with AT from a truck since the KA swap is fairly well documented. With enough money you can do pretty much anything, Ron On Sunday, April 8, 2012, Dana Scribner wrote: > I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission > in a Roadster for her. She just can t master a standard. I told her I ll catch > grief > but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might be > able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out > there? > > Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ronnie.day at gmail.com From mark at dealermats.com Sun Apr 8 09:53:53 2012 From: mark at dealermats.com (Mark Dent) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:53:53 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It can be done cheaply. The transmission from the 411 is about $200 and they are fairly easy to find. Much cheaper and easier than a drivetrain swap. Sid is doing one at the moment for a car for his wife. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: > Can it be done? Sure, but i doubt it would be cheaply? I seriously doubt > it. Off the top of my head I don't remember if the R-16 was offered with an > AT, but if so it'd be tough to find one now. It might be easier to swap in > a KA-24 with AT from a truck since the KA swap is fairly well documented. > > With enough money you can do pretty much anything, > Ron > > On Sunday, April 8, 2012, Dana Scribner wrote: >> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission >> in a Roadster for her. She just can t master a standard. I told her I ll > catch >> grief >> but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might > be >> able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out >> there? >> >> Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ronnie.day at gmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/mark at dealermats.com From gboone70 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 10:51:46 2012 From: gboone70 at yahoo.com (Gary Boone) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] FW: Video of Burnt Eliza In-Reply-To: <006f01cd1559$5a4cd5f0$0ee681d0$@net> References: <006f01cd1559$5a4cd5f0$0ee681d0$@net> Message-ID: <1333903906.87772.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Here's another possible cause based on something I experienced with my roadster. I found my new carpet's backing severely melted directly behind the driver's seat. The heat from the muffler directly below that area was making the floor very hot and melting the carpet. It might be worth a check underneath to see how close the exhaust system is routed to the body and after the engine runs for a while, feel around inside for hot spots in the areas above the exhaust system. I fixed my problem by wrapping the top of the muffler with high temp blanket insulation as opposed to revamping the exhaust system. Gary >________________________________ > From: Pete Peters >To: Datsun Roadster List >Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 1:29 AM >Subject: [Roadsters] FW: Video of Burnt Eliza > >Think this should have gone to Peter (the roadster owner) and/or the >list.... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy Pastore [mailto:ajpastore at rcn.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 7:44 PM >To: Pete Peters >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Video of Burnt Eliza > >I don't know if you found the exact source of the fire yet but I want to >mention something that has happened to me. It's a bit wacky but true. >One summer I noticed what appeared to be melted spots on the vinyl seat back >of the drivers side. It upset me because they were relatively new and in >perfect shape. I thought maybe I got some cleaning solvent or brake fluid or >something on my back while crawling around on the ground and transferred it >to the seat. >Then some time later that summer in the morning, I pulled the car out of the >garage and left it in the driveway, top down, while doing something in the >garage. After a while I looked out at the car and saw smoke wafting up from >the drivers seat back. It was the sun, reflecting off the steering wheel and >pinpointing a "laser" of heat onto the seat and burning a hole! Really? WTF >On my roadster I installed a steering wheel which I can't remember the name >of. This wheel has a very shiny chrome horn button that acted like a >parabolic collector/reflector, pinpointing the suns power to my seat. If I >hadn't noticed it I'm sure it would have continued until the sun moved >enough to stop the "laser" or even started the seat afire when it made >through to the foam. >I can't tell from your video which steering wheel you have but is it >possible this may have happened to Eliza? >The different spots on the back of my seat prove that it happened more than >once and in slightly different positions so it wasn't a one in a million >type of thing. In the morning during the summer, the sun shines perfectly >down my driveway, low in the sky and hotter than hell. >As far as the speaker wires...unless the amp malfunctioned, it's not very >likely you could get enough current to start a fire with out the fuse >blowing. It would require more power than the amp should put out before just >stopping working. A shorted speaker can get pretty hot but you need many >watts of continuous power to get it to glow and the voice coil would burn >out before that or the amp would crap out. Does the radio still work? All >the channels left and right? If so I really doubt the stereo was the >culprit. From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sun Apr 8 13:32:48 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:32:48 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201cd15be$61faac40$25f004c0$@net> To be clear on the 411, you want the automatic trans from a 1967 RL-411 (sedan) or WRL-411 (wagon). Those came w/ the R16 unlike the PL-411 & WPL-411 that came w/ the J13 engine. Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dana Scribner Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 6:39 AM To: drone; datsun roadsters Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission in a Roadster for her. She just cant master a standard. I told her Ill catch grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out there? Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters From tputland at charter.net Sun Apr 8 13:48:25 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission Message-ID: <328b4cdc.54fd58.136938011e9.Webtop.44@charter.net> It is also possible that someone is physically able to deal with clutching. tim On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Stephen Holst wrote: > You are joking? Please tell me it is a joke. > > > On 4/8/12 9:38 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: > >> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic >> transmission in a >> Roadster for her. She just can9t master a standard. I told her I9ll >> catch >> grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission >> that I > might >> be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do >> options out >> there? >> >> Dana S >> Owner of 1 too many Roadsters From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 8 14:11:48 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:11:48 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: <328b4cdc.54fd58.136938011e9.Webtop.44@charter.net> References: <328b4cdc.54fd58.136938011e9.Webtop.44@charter.net> Message-ID: <5218E150-E866-4579-99DD-F3DA23D2E1C6@sbcglobal.net> Did you mean "unable"? Sent from my iPod On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Tim wrote: > It is also possible that someone is physically able to deal with clutching. > tim > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Stephen Holst wrote: > >> You are joking? Please tell me it is a joke. >> >> >> On 4/8/12 9:38 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: >> >>> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission in a >>> Roadster for her. She just can9t master a standard. I told her I9ll catch >>> grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I >> might >>> be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out >>> there? >>> >>> Dana S >>> Owner of 1 too many Roadsters > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From tputland at charter.net Sun Apr 8 15:53:20 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission Message-ID: <34fc64a3.550b17.13693f26e61.Webtop.44@charter.net> Yea usually am uable to speel corectly. :-( On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Gary McCormick wrote: > Did you mean "unable"? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Tim wrote: > >> It is also possible that someone is physically able to deal with >> clutching. >> tim >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Stephen Holst wrote: >> >>> You are joking? Please tell me it is a joke. >>> >>> >>> On 4/8/12 9:38 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: >>> >>>> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic >>>> transmission in a >>>> Roadster for her. She just can9t master a standard. I told her I9ll >>>> catch >>>> grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission >>>> that I >>> might >>>> be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do >>>> options out >>>> there? >>>> >>>> Dana S >>>> Owner of 1 too many Roadsters >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 8 16:53:55 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Sometimes it works... Message-ID: <20120408225355.E47AA2E076@bradakis.com> and sometimes it doesn't. It is a beautiful Easter here in Salt Lake City, wonderful spring weather. I had big plans to get lots done in the yard and in the garage this weekend. But no, I'm sitting here at the keyboard, have been inside all weekend with a cold. So my weekend plans didn't work out. But one plan has worked out, and for over 20 years. Yep, in April of 1991 Team.Net became a registered domain, and the lists and FTP service and web pages moved from various machines at the U of U where I worked at the time to a dedicated machine. One aspect of that is that keeping it running takes money out of my pocket. Not that much, though I keep thinking on checking just what size bite of my power bill the Team.Net hardware does take. Speaking of hardware, you are no doubt aware that Team.Net is running on a nice new, well, new to me, server that was purchased with user contributions last spring. And no doubt you've noticed the transition has had some issues, like with the archives and the forums. I am working on smoothing out the remaining wrinkles to keep it all flowing smoothly. What you can do to keep it running smoothly is make a contribution to the cause. Information regarding how to do so can be found at http://www.team.net/donate.html Some of you have donated recently, especially during the 'Find Mark a job' thread on the Healey list. In case you are wondering I no longer am a parts delivery guy but wrenching on cars again at Bailey's Service here in Utah. Spending $500 - $600 or so a month on gas and oil is something I won't miss about the old job! If you feel like Team.Net offers you something worth supporting, I would appreciate a contribution. If you'd rather not, don't worry about it. Thanks, mjb. From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 20:07:16 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And is there a way to get electric windows? I want to be able to quickly roll them up with the top down once I get going. And those cute little backup cameras, where can we mount one of them? On Apr 8, 2012 10:17 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: > I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission > in a Roadster for her. She just can t master a standard. I told her I ll > catch > grief > but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might be > able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out > there? > > Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com From mark at dealermats.com Sun Apr 8 20:48:35 2012 From: mark at dealermats.com (Mark Dent) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:48:35 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9952941B-4EA6-4616-B980-D822563D6F3C@dealermats.com> My Dad had to give up driving his Roadster because leg issues mean he can't drive a clutch anymore. An automatic roadster would be the only way he could still enjoy one. Making fun of someone because they want an automatic is a pretty lousy thing to do. The alternative is just not owning a roadster. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Paul Courson wrote: > And is there a way to get electric windows? I want to be able to quickly > roll them up with the top down once I get going. And those cute little > backup cameras, where can we mount one of them? > On Apr 8, 2012 10:17 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: > >> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission >> in a Roadster for her. She just can t master a standard. I told her I ll >> catch >> grief >> but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might be >> able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out >> there? >> >> Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/mark at dealermats.com From bubwin at mymts.net Sun Apr 8 23:45:57 2012 From: bubwin at mymts.net (Bob Winslade) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:45:57 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: <9952941B-4EA6-4616-B980-D822563D6F3C@dealermats.com> References: <9952941B-4EA6-4616-B980-D822563D6F3C@dealermats.com> Message-ID: I agree with you Mark. I've not gotten either of my Roadsters going yet, and from the time I got the first one, my MS has progressed to where it would be preferred to have an automatic. My Nissan Motorhome is a 5 speed, but don't know how long I'll be driving it, months, years? Only time will tell. I'm installing a KA24E and just about have the frame work done. Motor should be bolted in within a month, and for now a 5 speed. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dent Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:48 PM To: Paul Courson Cc: drone ; datsun roadsters Subject: Re: [Roadsters] automatic transmission My Dad had to give up driving his Roadster because leg issues mean he can't drive a clutch anymore. An automatic roadster would be the only way he could still enjoy one. Making fun of someone because they want an automatic is a pretty lousy thing to do. The alternative is just not owning a roadster. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Paul Courson wrote: > And is there a way to get electric windows? I want to be able to quickly > roll them up with the top down once I get going. And those cute little > backup cameras, where can we mount one of them? > On Apr 8, 2012 10:17 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: > >> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission >> in a Roadster for her. She just can t master a standard. I told her I ll >> catch >> grief >> but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might be >> able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out >> there? >> >> Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/mark at dealermats.com ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/bubwin at mts.net From roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 04:44:59 2012 From: roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com (Mike Harper) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 03:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: <9952941B-4EA6-4616-B980-D822563D6F3C@dealermats.com> Message-ID: <1333968299.93721.YahooMailClassic@web130202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lighten up. I have not yet seen anyone "making fun" of anyone who is not ABLE to drive a manual transmission. There is a difference in not being able, and just not wanting to learn how to drive a stick. IMHO anyone who just thinks it is too much trouble to learn needs a modern car, however making a roadster drivable for someone with a disability is a noble and worthy effort. I thought the electric top comment was funny, so please let's not get offended without proper provocation. I'd love to see the electric top mechanism fold the quarter windows over and tuck them in. Pretty nifty! Maybe a little automatic hammer to whack the voltage regulator when the points stick??? The possibilities are endless. Mike Harper, CAI, AARE Harper Auction & Realty 843-729-4996 "Experience Sells" www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Mark Dent wrote: From: Mark Dent Subject: Re: [Roadsters] automatic transmission To: "Paul Courson" Cc: "drone" , "datsun roadsters" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 10:48 PM My Dad had to give up driving his Roadster because leg issues mean he can't drive a clutch anymore. An automatic roadster would be the only way he could still enjoy one. Making fun of someone because they want an automatic is a pretty lousy thing to do. The alternative is just not owning a roadster. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Paul Courson wrote: > And is there a way to get electric windows? I want to be able to quickly > roll them up with the top down once I get going. And those cute little > backup cameras, where can we mount one of them? > On Apr 8, 2012 10:17 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: > >> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission >> in a Roadster for her. She just can t master a standard. I told her I ll >> catch >> grief >> but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I might be >> able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out >> there? >> >> Dana SOwner of 1 too many Roadsters >> ________________________________________ From tputland at charter.net Mon Apr 9 05:21:42 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] door braces Message-ID: <2cc51ecb.213d90.13696d6838d.Webtop.43@charter.net> In anticipation of pulling a body off of one of my Roadsters, I need braces for the door openings. Since my fabrication skills are, to say the least, lacking, does any one have a pair they want to part with? Or, does any one have some easy to follow build instructions? I looked on 311s.org and found some info but I really don't trust myself to build good braces. Thanks! tim From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 05:55:00 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:55:00 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: <1333968299.93721.YahooMailClassic@web130202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9952941B-4EA6-4616-B980-D822563D6F3C@dealermats.com> <1333968299.93721.YahooMailClassic@web130202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dana invited some good natured ribbing, and I was happy to be among those to supply it. In my opinion, the 311 is probably not the best vehicle for someone with physical challenges (tight cockpit, close-spaced control pedals) or lack of expertise at fully manual driving (no power brakes, no power steering, minimal crash protection, etc.). And, as our cars settle further into collector status as the years go by, it is worth instead considering a conversion like this with, say a Miata or some other car where vast numbers are available to draw from. The Miata, in particular, provides a very similar sports car experience, and may satisfy quite well the more casual driver who may not specifically be into the 311. Paul From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 06:25:53 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:25:53 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] FW: Video of Burnt Eliza In-Reply-To: <1333903906.87772.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <006f01cd1559$5a4cd5f0$0ee681d0$@net> <1333903906.87772.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I second the burnt carpet syndrome. Always wondered why I was catching a whiff of hot plastic, worried there was some overheated wiring (the insulation is vinyl, and smells the same as carpet, seats and other plastics when it cooks). It was the backing on the carpet. As someone else noted, you would need lots of watts for audio power to catch fire. Not to say the radio itself wouldn't burn up if something shorted inside, but yeah, I will be real curious to learn the cause from you. -pc- On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Gary Boone wrote: > Here's another possible cause based on something I experienced with my > roadster. B I found my new carpet's backing severely melted directly behind the > driver's seat. B The heat from the muffler directly below that area was making > the floor very hot and melting the carpet. B It might be worth a check > underneath to see how close the exhaust system is routed to the body and after > the engine runs for a while, feel around inside for hot spots in the areas > above the exhaust system. B I fixed my problem by wrapping the top of the > muffler with high temp blanket insulation as opposed to revamping the exhaust > system. > Gary > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Pete Peters > >>To: Datsun Roadster List > >>Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 1:29 AM >>Subject: [Roadsters] FW: B Video of Burnt Eliza >> >>Think this should have > gone to Peter (the roadster owner) and/or the >>list.... >> >>-----Original > Message----- >>From: Andy Pastore [mailto:ajpastore at rcn.com] >>Sent: Saturday, > April 07, 2012 7:44 PM >>To: Pete Peters >>Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Video of > Burnt Eliza >> >>I don't know if you found the exact source of the fire yet but > I want to >>mention something that has happened to me. B It's a bit wacky but > true. >>One summer I noticed what appeared to be melted spots on the vinyl seat > back >>of the drivers side. It upset me because they were relatively new and in >>perfect shape. I thought maybe I got some cleaning solvent or brake fluid or >>something on my back while crawling around on the ground and transferred it >>to the seat. >>Then some time later that summer in the morning, I pulled the > car out of the >>garage and left it in the driveway, top down, while doing > something in the >>garage. After a while I looked out at the car and saw smoke > wafting up from >>the drivers seat back. It was the sun, reflecting off the > steering wheel and >>pinpointing a "laser" of heat onto the seat and burning a > hole! Really? WTF >>On my roadster I installed a steering wheel which I can't > remember the name >>of. B This wheel has a very shiny chrome horn button that > acted like a >>parabolic collector/reflector, pinpointing the suns power to my > seat. If I >>hadn't noticed it I'm sure it would have continued until the sun > moved >>enough to stop the "laser" or even started the seat afire when it made >>through to the foam. >>I can't tell from your video which steering wheel you > have but is it >>possible this may have happened to Eliza? >>The different spots > on the back of my seat prove that it happened more than >>once and in slightly > different positions so it wasn't a one in a million >>type of thing. B In the > morning during the summer, the sun shines perfectly >>down my driveway, low in > the sky and hotter than hell. >>As far as the speaker wires...unless the amp > malfunctioned, it's not very >>likely you could get enough current to start a > fire with out the fuse >>blowing. It would require more power than the amp > should put out before just >>stopping working. A shorted speaker can get pretty > hot but you need many >>watts of continuous power to get it to glow and the > voice coil would burn >>out before that or the amp would crap out. Does the > radio still work? All >>the channels left and right? If so I really doubt the > stereo was the >>culprit. > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/courjpeg at gmail.com From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 07:23:40 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:23:40 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] FW: Video of Burnt Eliza In-Reply-To: References: <006f01cd1559$5a4cd5f0$0ee681d0$@net> <1333903906.87772.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On the way home from the Pittsburgh Vintage GP a few years back, my roadster dropped the exhaust pipe, just back from the manifold. Next thing I knew I was gagging on the smell of burning carpet. The driver's floor was a bubbling pool of what was left of the sound deadening. I drove the last 60 miles or so with my head hanging out the side window like a big dog. Thankfully, no serious damage. Paul Ohio On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Paul Courson wrote: > I second the burnt carpet syndrome. Always wondered why I was > catching a whiff of hot plastic, worried there was some overheated > wiring (the insulation is vinyl, and smells the same as carpet, seats > and other plastics when it cooks). ..... From ronnie.day at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 07:32:20 2012 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:32:20 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: References: <9952941B-4EA6-4616-B980-D822563D6F3C@dealermats.com> <1333968299.93721.YahooMailClassic@web130202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Physical issues are the prime reason I'll be selling my '70 2000 as soon as I get the carpet kit installed and do a little work on the rear brakes. Last summer I was dealing with back problems and now I'm looking at a knee replacement as soon as I can get off of Plavix. Yes, the past year has been interesting for me health wise. Plus a Roadster's really not fun during Texas summers, especially like we had last year. It's hard to believe our first 2000 was our only car for almost a year after we bought it new in the spring of '70. Of course, being in our early 20s might have had something to do with it! All that said, I'm working on getting my '73 510 2-Dr. going again. It's whole lot easier to get in and out of, and if I want I can put A/C in it. I even have the under dash part of the A/C that was on it when I bought the car in SoCal in '84. With a built L-20b, 5 speed and 4.11 or 4.38 gears it'll be a lot of fun to drive. Ron On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Paul Courson wrote: > Dana invited some good natured ribbing, and I was happy to be among those > to supply it. > > In my opinion, the 311 is probably not the best vehicle for someone with > physical challenges (tight cockpit, close-spaced control pedals) or lack of > expertise at fully manual driving (no power brakes, no power steering, > minimal crash protection, etc.). > > And, as our cars settle further into collector status as the years go by, > it is worth instead considering a conversion like this with, say a Miata or > some other car where vast numbers are available to draw from. > > The Miata, in particular, provides a very similar sports car experience, > and may satisfy quite well the more casual driver who may not specifically > be into the 311. > > Paul > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ronnie.day at gmail.com From lousailor at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 12:39:18 2012 From: lousailor at yahoo.com (Louie Partida) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: <34fc64a3.550b17.13693f26e61.Webtop.44@charter.net> Message-ID: <1333996758.57000.YahooMailClassic@web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would imagine a 510 or 200sx trans could be adapted, but it seems unholy. Louie --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Tim wrote: From: Tim Subject: Re: [Roadsters] automatic transmission To: "Gary McCormick" Cc: "drone" , "datsun roadsters" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 5:53 PM Yea usually am uable to speel corectly. :-( On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Gary McCormick wrote: > Did you mean "unable"? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Tim wrote: > >> It is also possible that someone is physically able to deal with clutching. >> tim >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Stephen Holst wrote: >> >>> You are joking? Please tell me it is a joke. >>> >>> >>> On 4/8/12 9:38 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: >>> >>>> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission in a >>>> Roadster for her. She just can9t master a standard. I told her I9ll catch >>>> grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I >>> might >>>> be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out >>>> there? >>>> >>>> Dana S >>>> Owner of 1 too many Roadsters >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/lousailor at yahoo.com From mhknorr at msn.com Mon Apr 9 16:26:57 2012 From: mhknorr at msn.com (Michael Knorr) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:26:57 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Sometimes it works... Message-ID: Mark, I see you live in Salt Lake City also, and, yes, yesterday was gorgeous. I'm in The Avenues. I'm putting my '66 up for sale May 1 after I get it out of storage. Well, maybe a week or two later because I want to get it cleaned up first. It runs strong, is very clean, has all three tops, including a StayFast convertible top, electrical is original except I swapped the battery for a 51R. Issues are: heater doesn't work (I think the core leaks), driver door doesn't close solid against the frame (I've been quoted about $500 to get that fixed, and I may do that before I offer it for sale). I'll post photos and let the list know where to see them as soon as I can. Regards, Michael Knorr 1966 SPL311-03639 From jdwilly at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 9 18:08:43 2012 From: jdwilly at sbcglobal.net (JOEL WILMSMEYER) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] automatic transmission In-Reply-To: <1333996758.57000.YahooMailClassic@web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334016523.53271.YahooMailClassic@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Unholy"? I've never seen a roadster with an automatic, but I have a 1970 240Z that came stock with one. Joel --- On Mon, 4/9/12, Louie Partida wrote: From: Louie Partida Subject: Re: [Roadsters] automatic transmission To: "Gary McCormick" , "Tim" Cc: "datsun roadsters" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 11:39 AM I would imagine a 510 or 200sx trans could be adapted, but it seems unholy. Louie --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Tim wrote: From: Tim Subject: Re: [Roadsters] automatic transmission To: "Gary McCormick" Cc: "drone" , "datsun roadsters" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 5:53 PM Yea usually am uable to speel corectly. :-( On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Gary McCormick wrote: > Did you mean "unable"? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Tim wrote: > >> It is also possible that someone is physically able to deal with clutching. >> tim >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Stephen Holst wrote: >> >>> You are joking? Please tell me it is a joke. >>> >>> >>> On 4/8/12 9:38 AM, "Dana Scribner" wrote: >>> >>>> I have a sister who would love for me to put an automatic transmission in a >>>> Roadster for her. She just can9t master a standard. I told her I9ll catch >>>> grief but will ask, does anyone know of an automatic transmission that I >>> might >>>> be able to attach to a 2L? Are there any inexpensive easy to do options out >>>> there? >>>> >>>> Dana S >>>> Owner of 1 too many Roadsters >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/lousailor at yahoo.com ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/jdwilly at sbcglobal.net From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Tue Apr 10 09:33:41 2012 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:33:41 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required Message-ID: <1432A0C924F7ED439A95685850281F660200FF5D@XMBC3087.northgrum.com> Not to belabor this painful subject, but I also had the "blister the carpet" scenario when I had exhaust work done way back when. Luckily, there was a roadster-folk get-together soon after, and when I mentioned it, Les Cannaday promptly said "Minimum 1" gap required, go back and get it done ASAP". The muffler shop did it no problem, no charge. Never knew how lucky I was until the video of recent events. While rolling it is probably no big deal, but stop-and-go traffic means a lot of time to heat soak. (same thing we found with composite driveshafts at my old job, it wasn't high performance driving that would overheat them, it was the drive-up window at McD's) Peter, I have an old center console in the garage, although it is without the foam (tin only). I recovered mine in leather without the foam (using a pair of women's leather pants from the Goodwill store, cheapest upholstery material I've ever bought!) so let me know if you want it, or if you want to come down we can recover it some weekend. Fergus O PS: saw a Fiat 850 coupe on the freeway on Saturday, and fell in love. Obscenely tiny, makes a roadster look like '64 caddy ! From tputland at charter.net Tue Apr 10 10:57:25 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required Message-ID: <55862ebf.1699.1369d303a9e.Webtop.46@charter.net> my muffler has a heat shield on it and that is basically right up against the body. I have not noticed any issues and have sat in Chicago interstate traffic in this Roadster in teh middle of summer for hours barely moving. Am I not having melting issues becuase of the heat shield? Seems awful close (touching the body in one spot) to me. Am I just lucky? tim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM, O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) wrote: > Not to belabor this painful subject, but I also had the "blister the > carpet" > scenario when I had exhaust work done way back when. > Luckily, there was a roadster-folk get-together soon after, and when I > mentioned it, Les Cannaday promptly said "Minimum 1" gap required, go > back and > get it done ASAP". > > The muffler shop did it no problem, no charge. > > Never knew how lucky I was until the video of recent events. While > rolling it > is probably no big deal, but stop-and-go traffic means a lot of time > to heat > soak. > (same thing we found with composite driveshafts at my old job, it > wasn't high > performance driving that would overheat them, it was the drive-up > window at > McD's) > > Peter, I have an old center console in the garage, although it is > without the > foam (tin only). I recovered mine in leather without the foam (using > a pair > of women's leather pants from the Goodwill store, cheapest upholstery > material > I've ever bought!) so let me know if you want it, or if you want to > come down > we can recover it some weekend. > > Fergus O > PS: saw a Fiat 850 coupe on the freeway on Saturday, and fell in love. > Obscenely tiny, makes a roadster look like '64 caddy ! > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Tue Apr 10 11:07:03 2012 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:07:03 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] test drive and feel for scorch In-Reply-To: <55862ebf.1699.1369d303a9e.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <55862ebf.1699.1369d303a9e.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <1432A0C924F7ED439A95685850281F6602010058@XMBC3087.northgrum.com> No, not just lucky, sorry, didn't mean to raise worries. The other method is a heat shield, which basically is an interim surface which heats up (and has airflow behind it) and lets the heat disperse the heat before it radiates into something neighboring. If it is only touching the body in one spot, that is probably fine, maybe do an experiment and whip out the carpet in that area and take a typical drive (including an extended sitting period) and see how hot the floorboard gets to your hand. Use the backside of your fingers, as palms are pretty tough. If fingers can stand up to it, it is fine. If it starts feeling scorching, then bending that heat shield so there is even the smallest gap is the solution. Fergus -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:tputland at charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:57 AM To: O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: EXT :RE: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required my muffler has a heat shield on it and that is basically right up against the body. I have not noticed any issues and have sat in Chicago interstate traffic in this Roadster in teh middle of summer for hours barely moving. Am I not having melting issues becuase of the heat shield? Seems awful close (touching the body in one spot) to me. Am I just lucky? tim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM, O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) wrote: > Not to belabor this painful subject, but I also had the "blister the > carpet" > scenario when I had exhaust work done way back when. > Luckily, there was a roadster-folk get-together soon after, and when I > mentioned it, Les Cannaday promptly said "Minimum 1" gap required, go > back and > get it done ASAP". > > The muffler shop did it no problem, no charge. > > Never knew how lucky I was until the video of recent events. While > rolling it > is probably no big deal, but stop-and-go traffic means a lot of time > to heat > soak. > (same thing we found with composite driveshafts at my old job, it > wasn't high > performance driving that would overheat them, it was the drive-up > window at > McD's) > > Peter, I have an old center console in the garage, although it is > without the > foam (tin only). I recovered mine in leather without the foam (using > a pair > of women's leather pants from the Goodwill store, cheapest upholstery > material > I've ever bought!) so let me know if you want it, or if you want to > come down > we can recover it some weekend. > > Fergus O > PS: saw a Fiat 850 coupe on the freeway on Saturday, and fell in love. > Obscenely tiny, makes a roadster look like '64 caddy ! > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 11:19:34 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:19:34 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required In-Reply-To: <55862ebf.1699.1369d303a9e.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <55862ebf.1699.1369d303a9e.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: The heat shield should be curved, and probably made of aluminum. This should both collect the heat before getting to the bottom of the car, as well as help dissipate it. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:14 PM, "Tim" wrote: > my muffler has a heat shield on it and that is basically right up against the body. I have not noticed any issues and have sat in Chicago interstate traffic in this Roadster in teh middle of summer for hours barely moving. > > Am I not having melting issues becuase of the heat shield? Seems awful close (touching the body in one spot) to me. Am I just lucky? > tim > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM, O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) wrote: > >> Not to belabor this painful subject, but I also had the "blister the carpet" >> scenario when I had exhaust work done way back when. >> Luckily, there was a roadster-folk get-together soon after, and when I >> mentioned it, Les Cannaday promptly said "Minimum 1" gap required, go back and >> get it done ASAP". >> >> The muffler shop did it no problem, no charge. >> >> Never knew how lucky I was until the video of recent events. While rolling it >> is probably no big deal, but stop-and-go traffic means a lot of time to heat >> soak. >> (same thing we found with composite driveshafts at my old job, it wasn't high >> performance driving that would overheat them, it was the drive-up window at >> McD's) >> >> Peter, I have an old center console in the garage, although it is without the >> foam (tin only). I recovered mine in leather without the foam (using a pair >> of women's leather pants from the Goodwill store, cheapest upholstery material >> I've ever bought!) so let me know if you want it, or if you want to come down >> we can recover it some weekend. >> >> Fergus O >> PS: saw a Fiat 850 coupe on the freeway on Saturday, and fell in love. >> Obscenely tiny, makes a roadster look like '64 caddy ! >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co m From aultgc at att.net Tue Apr 10 18:45:42 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:45:42 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required References: <55862ebf.1699.1369d303a9e.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <1BD9EEA887CB4055AB58A096AEDB8382@gaxp1> Dan, My recollection is that the heat shields on factory mufflers, which are spot-welded to the muffler body at the mid-plane, are thin steel. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Kroninger" To: "Tim" Cc: ; "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required > The heat shield should be curved, and probably made of aluminum. This > should > both collect the heat before getting to the bottom of the car, as well as > help > dissipate it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:14 PM, "Tim" wrote: > >> my muffler has a heat shield on it and that is basically right up against > the body. I have not noticed any issues and have sat in Chicago interstate > traffic in this Roadster in teh middle of summer for hours barely moving. >> >> Am I not having melting issues becuase of the heat shield? Seems awful >> close > (touching the body in one spot) to me. Am I just lucky? >> tim >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM, O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) wrote: >> >>> Not to belabor this painful subject, but I also had the "blister the > carpet" >>> scenario when I had exhaust work done way back when. >>> Luckily, there was a roadster-folk get-together soon after, and when I >>> mentioned it, Les Cannaday promptly said "Minimum 1" gap required, go >>> back > and >>> get it done ASAP". >>> >>> The muffler shop did it no problem, no charge. >>> >>> Never knew how lucky I was until the video of recent events. While >>> rolling > it >>> is probably no big deal, but stop-and-go traffic means a lot of time to > heat >>> soak. >>> (same thing we found with composite driveshafts at my old job, it wasn't > high >>> performance driving that would overheat them, it was the drive-up window > at >>> McD's) >>> >>> Peter, I have an old center console in the garage, although it is >>> without > the >>> foam (tin only). I recovered mine in leather without the foam (using a > pair >>> of women's leather pants from the Goodwill store, cheapest upholstery > material >>> I've ever bought!) so let me know if you want it, or if you want to come > down >>> we can recover it some weekend. >>> >>> Fergus O >>> PS: saw a Fiat 850 coupe on the freeway on Saturday, and fell in love. >>> Obscenely tiny, makes a roadster look like '64 caddy ! >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > m > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From mingocast at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 20:06:13 2012 From: mingocast at gmail.com (Domingo Castilleja) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:06:13 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Message-ID: I am about ready to crank my roadster and I am wondering if I need to use a oil pump primer to route oil thru the engine. I have oiled the cylinders and turned the engine manually and I was wondering if this is sufficient. mingocast From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 21:50:10 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24E89E6D-434D-4F78-BF1C-1C54B24B499A@sbcglobal.net> You're going to want to get oil to the cam followers, cam, etc. Only way to do that is to spin the pump & pressurize the oil system. Gary McCormick San JosC), CA Sent from my iPod On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Domingo Castilleja wrote: > I am about ready to crank my roadster and I am wondering if I need to use a > oil pump primer to route oil thru the engine. I have oiled the cylinders > and turned the engine manually and I was wondering if this is sufficient. > mingocast > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From funkaholik at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 00:12:50 2012 From: funkaholik at yahoo.com (Erik Miller) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Engine ID? Message-ID: <1334211170.20157.YahooMailClassic@web164608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So, thanks to list member Karl Lett (Thanks, Karl!!), I acquired a running R16 engine to swap into my long dead 1970 1600. He sold it to me at a great price, and even brought it over to my girlfriend's garage (Thanks, girlfriend!!). I have some questions about the engine, which has a palindromic engine # of R 25852. He was unsure of the year of the car it came out of. Can I determine the year by engine #? I checked the registry, and a 1967 car, VIN SPL311-08544, has engine # R 25807. Pretty close. Were they installed in sequence? Also, would this be an SAE or metric engine? I pulled a bolt out and checked it, but it seems to fit both 5/16-18 and M8-1.25 nuts. I want to make sure that if I need to order parts like fuel pump, etc. that I get the right ones. Thanks, everyone, and wish me luck getting her back on the road. Maybe she'll even be ready for Shasta... Erik MillerBerkeley, CA, USA From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 09:24:39 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:24:39 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required In-Reply-To: <1BD9EEA887CB4055AB58A096AEDB8382@gaxp1> References: <55862ebf.1699.1369d303a9e.Webtop.46@charter.net> <1BD9EEA887CB4055AB58A096AEDB8382@gaxp1> Message-ID: Yes, and because they rust through fairly quickly, the shield breaks off, one mount at a time, and then makes a wonderful metallic rattling noise. They then are discarded, and you get the optional seat warmer. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > Dan, > > My recollection is that the heat shields on factory mufflers, which are > spot-welded to the muffler body at the mid-plane, are thin steel. > > Gary From aultgc at att.net Thu Apr 12 11:31:38 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required In-Reply-To: References: <55862ebf.1699.1369d303a9e.Webtop.46@charter.net> <1BD9EEA887CB4055AB58A096AEDB8382@gaxp1> Message-ID: <1334251898.9928.YahooMailRC@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My '66 1600 has a U20 motor, so I use the late 2000 exhaust, which has the muffler behind the "X" member, and more in the open. Seat warming problem solved. I would think any capable muffler shop could configure a similar arrangement for the R16. Gary ________________________________ From: Paul Courson To: Gary and Cindy Ault Cc: Dan Kroninger ; Tim ; "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" ; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, April 12, 2012 10:24:39 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] body-to-muffler gapping, 1" required Yes, and because they rust through fairly quickly, the shield breaks off, one mount at a time, and then makes a wonderful metallic rattling noise. They then are discarded, and you get the optional seat warmer. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > Dan, > > My recollection is that the heat shields on factory mufflers, which are > spot-welded to the muffler body at the mid-plane, are thin steel. > > Gary From aultgc at att.net Thu Apr 12 11:45:40 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Engine ID? In-Reply-To: <1334211170.20157.YahooMailClassic@web164608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1334211170.20157.YahooMailClassic@web164608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334252740.34846.YahooMailRC@web180215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Erik, Nissan was not real careful about installing engines in any sequence, but, the original engines in '65-'67 cars had serial numbers R-40,000 or lower. All of those should be SAE. The change to metric came with R-40001, which I think was used in '67-1/2 and later cars, and has five main bearings. The body and chassis on '67-1/2 cars is SAE, however. At least mine is. Your engine should be SAE. Maybe 5/16-18 is close enough to M8 x 1.25 that either will fit, but I'll bet the M8 is looser in the bolt hole. A 5/16-18 thread gauge should not be quite right for M8 x 1.25, but I haven't checked personally. And, over the years, some PO could easily have used the wrong bolt, and, if it was close, forced it to fit, particularly on something as stout as a 5/16. Gary ________________________________ From: Erik Miller To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, April 12, 2012 1:12:50 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Engine ID? So, thanks to list member Karl Lett (Thanks, Karl!!), I acquired a running R16 engine to swap into my long dead 1970 1600. He sold it to me at a great price, and even brought it over to my girlfriend's garage (Thanks, girlfriend!!). I have some questions about the engine, which has a palindromic engine # of R 25852. He was unsure of the year of the car it came out of. Can I determine the year by engine #? I checked the registry, and a 1967 car, VIN SPL311-08544, has engine # R 25807. Pretty close. Were they installed in sequence? Also, would this be an SAE or metric engine? I pulled a bolt out and checked it, but it seems to fit both 5/16-18 and M8-1.25 nuts. I want to make sure that if I need to order parts like fuel pump, etc. that I get the right ones. Thanks, everyone, and wish me luck getting her back on the road. Maybe she'll even be ready for Shasta... Erik MillerBerkeley, CA, USA ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Apr 12 15:46:25 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] Engine ID? In-Reply-To: <1334252740.34846.YahooMailRC@web180215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <121374978.1611314.1334267185717.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> What Gary said. More stuff.... I thought Lars had created a database of VIN's and engine numbers, but all I can find is the VIN Decoder: ...which doesn't show engine numbers....sigh.... FWIW, there -ARE- SAE 5-main engines, though I'd reckon they're few. A friend has/had one. Pete "had to Google 'palindromic'...." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "Erik Miller" , datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Engine ID? Erik, Nissan was not real careful about installing engines in any sequence, but, the original engines in '65-'67 cars had serial numbers R-40,000 or lower. All of those should be SAE. The change to metric came with R-40001, which I think was used in '67-1/2 and later cars, and has five main bearings. The body and chassis on '67-1/2 cars is SAE, however. At least mine is. Your engine should be SAE. Maybe 5/16-18 is close enough to M8 x 1.25 that either will fit, but I'll bet the M8 is looser in the bolt hole. A 5/16-18 thread gauge should not be quite right for M8 x 1.25, but I haven't checked personally. And, over the years, some PO could easily have used the wrong bolt, and, if it was close, forced it to fit, particularly on something as stout as a 5/16. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Miller To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, April 12, 2012 1:12:50 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Engine ID? So, thanks to list member Karl Lett (Thanks, Karl!!), I acquired a running R16 engine to swap into my long dead 1970 1600. He sold it to me at a great price, and even brought it over to my girlfriend's garage (Thanks, girlfriend!!). I have some questions about the engine, which has a palindromic engine # of R 25852. He was unsure of the year of the car it came out of. Can I determine the year by engine #? I checked the registry, and a 1967 car, VIN SPL311-08544, has engine # R 25807. Pretty close. Were they installed in sequence? Also, would this be an SAE or metric engine? I pulled a bolt out and checked it, but it seems to fit both 5/16-18 and M8-1.25 nuts. I want to make sure that if I need to order parts like fuel pump, etc. that I get the right ones. Thanks, everyone, and wish me luck getting her back on the road. Maybe she'll even be ready for Shasta... Erik Miller Berkeley, CA, USA From ronnie.day at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 19:33:53 2012 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:33:53 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Need screw sizes Message-ID: Okay folks, I need a few screw sizes. Car is a '70 2000. I need the size(s) that hold the trim panels under the dash above the knees, and the size(s) that hold the vertical panels on to either side of the center dash extension. I also need the thread size for the screws that fasten the pull handles to the doors. Looks like I'm going to need to drill an old screw out and re-thread. Are all of these sizes listed on the parts diagrams? TIA, Ron From ronnie.day at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 21:20:16 2012 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:20:16 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Need screw sizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Pat. I should get the carpet kit in this weekend. Elayne' on a quilting weekend in Stonewall. May get thte rear drums off, too. One side is dragging. I have new wheel cylinders just in case. May also need shoes. I'd like to sell the car, hopefully to someone who'll take care of it. I'm going to focus on my 510s. More practical for us older folks, IMO. Corky Bell has offered to help. That should be a lot of fun. How are you guys? Since my heart attack in January, I was doing well until I tore up my knee, but they can't fix that while I'm on Plavix. May in the fall. Hope to be in the house in three or four months, if I don'd fall apart first! Later On Thursday, April 12, 2012, Ronnie Day wrote: > Okay folks, I need a few screw sizes. Car is a '70 2000. I need the size(s) that hold the trim panels under the dash above the knees, and the size(s) that hold the vertical panels on to either side of the center dash extension. I also need the thread size for the screws that fasten the pull handles to the doors. Looks like I'm going to need to drill an old screw out and re-thread. Are all of these sizes listed on the parts diagrams? > TIA, > Ron From rabush2000 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 12 21:57:33 2012 From: rabush2000 at hotmail.com (Richard Bush) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:57:33 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for nearly 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have ordered from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has anyone experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? As always, thanks for the input. ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my list of questions. Stay well, Rick From lousailor at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 22:16:41 2012 From: lousailor at yahoo.com (Louie Partida) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334290601.55558.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Steering wheel: we are looking at that right now. We had to repair the turn signal mechanism as the spring that connected the two cams beacame caught and bound up in the hub. We are attempting to fit a grant aftermarket hub/wheel. I found a grant mounting kit that sort of fit, but we had to cut down the cover so it won't rub on the housing and activate the horn. looks like we have that down and just need a decent wheel/horn button. The problem is finding one that is wider than modern wheels and is fairly flat (less dish), but still has a thicker grip, all for a decent price. haven't looked at Momo or Sparco, etc. Louie --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Richard Bush wrote: From: Richard Bush Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel To: Cc: "Roadster List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 11:57 PM Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for nearly 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have ordered from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has anyone experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? As always, thanks for the input. ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my list of questions. Stay well, Rick ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/lousailor at yahoo.com From aultgc at att.net Thu Apr 12 22:40:13 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:40:13 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel References: Message-ID: Rick, If it's a low-windshield car, just disconnect the battery, pop off the horn button by separating it with a small screwdriver at the indentation in the seam, remove the small wire which is the positive lead to the horn, and remove the large nut on the end of the steering column. You an then pul the wheel off the tapered, splined end of the column. I have never needed a puller, but you may. If it's a high-windshield car, I am not sure, as I never had one apart. >From the diagram in the Nissan parts manual, it appears to come apart the same way as the low-windshield steering wheel. I don't know how to get the horn button off. I assume it is pried off, though. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bush" Cc: "Roadster List" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:57 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel > Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. > > I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for > nearly > 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have > ordered > from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. > > Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has anyone > experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? > > As always, thanks for the input. > > ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my list > of > questions. > > Stay well, > > Rick > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 04:20:12 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:20:12 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Engine ID? In-Reply-To: <121374978.1611314.1334267185717.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1334252740.34846.YahooMailRC@web180215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <121374978.1611314.1334267185717.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Yeah I was going to point out I had an SAE 5-main too. It was in a '68 production (titled '69). Found it out when stuff wouldn't interchange with a real "69 that was metric. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Pete Peters wrote: > What Gary said. More stuff.... > > FWIW, there -ARE- SAE 5-main engines, though I'd reckon they're few. A friend has/had one. From chalsted at comcast.net Fri Apr 13 06:36:40 2012 From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1484208892.1051601.1334320600272.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> if you try to pry a tall windshield horn button off you will ruin it...have to press down on it and then turn it counter-clockwise or you will rip the foam out of the inside and render it unuseable Craig From tputland at charter.net Fri Apr 13 06:49:43 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel Message-ID: <550aaad7.2e965.136abc08806.Webtop.48@charter.net> High windscreen model horn buttons twist off with a slight push in and then twist one way or the other. I do not remember which way to twist off as I always have to look at a loose horn button to remind myself. BE CAREFUL removing the horn button if a late model car: I can disintigrate underneath if twisted incorrectly or too hard. tim On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > Rick, > > If it's a low-windshield car, just disconnect the battery, pop off the > horn button by separating it with a small screwdriver at the > indentation in the seam, remove the small wire which is the positive > lead to the horn, and remove the large nut on the end of the steering > column. You an then pul the wheel off the tapered, splined end of the > column. I have never needed a puller, but you may. > > If it's a high-windshield car, I am not sure, as I never had one > apart. From the diagram in the Nissan parts manual, it appears to come > apart the same way as the low-windshield steering wheel. I don't know > how to get the horn button off. I assume it is pried off, though. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bush" > > Cc: "Roadster List" > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:57 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel > > >> Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. >> >> I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for >> nearly >> 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have >> ordered >> from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. >> >> Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has >> anyone >> experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? >> >> As always, thanks for the input. >> >> ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my >> list of >> questions. >> >> Stay well, >> >> Rick From robbieharrison at comcast.net Fri Apr 13 07:31:57 2012 From: robbieharrison at comcast.net (Robbie Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01cd1979$d6befb30$843cf190$@comcast.net> If I remember correctly the horn button on high-windshield cars is sort of like a child-proof medicine bottle cap - push in hard and turn counter-clockwise to release Robbie in CT -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary and Cindy Ault Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:40 AM To: Richard Bush Cc: Roadster List Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel Rick, If it's a low-windshield car, just disconnect the battery, pop off the horn button by separating it with a small screwdriver at the indentation in the seam, remove the small wire which is the positive lead to the horn, and remove the large nut on the end of the steering column. You an then pul the wheel off the tapered, splined end of the column. I have never needed a puller, but you may. If it's a high-windshield car, I am not sure, as I never had one apart. >From the diagram in the Nissan parts manual, it appears to come apart the same way as the low-windshield steering wheel. I don't know how to get the horn button off. I assume it is pried off, though. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bush" Cc: "Roadster List" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:57 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel > Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. > > I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for > nearly > 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have > ordered > from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. > > Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has anyone > experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? > > As always, thanks for the input. > > ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my list > of > questions. > > Stay well, > > Rick > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/robbieharrison at comcas t.net From pat at hornesystemstx.com Fri Apr 13 10:16:25 2012 From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:16:25 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F885159.2050503@hornesystemstx.com> Richard, My 67.5 steering wheel is smaller than stock. I had problems getting my legs under it when getting in and out. I don't remember what brand it is for sure, but I think it is a Momo. When moving it works very well, but when stopped or parallel parking it can be a bitch to get the wheels turned. You are welcome here any time you decide to come to Lockhart! My car is just as you saw it last time out, still waiting for me to overhaul the engine. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Richard Bush, On 4/12/2012 10:57 PM: > Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. > > I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for nearly > 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have ordered > from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. > > Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has anyone > experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? > > As always, thanks for the input. > > ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my list of > questions. > > Stay well, > > Rick > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From gordon.e.maness at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 12:54:55 2012 From: gordon.e.maness at hotmail.com (Gordon Maness) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:54:55 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: On the high windshield cars the horn button is push and turn to remove.It helps to disconnect the battery. g with a fleet > From: aultgc at att.net > To: rabush2000 at hotmail.com > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:40:13 -0500 > CC: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel > > Rick, > > If it's a low-windshield car, just disconnect the battery, pop off the horn > button by separating it with a small screwdriver at the indentation in the > seam, remove the small wire which is the positive lead to the horn, and > remove the large nut on the end of the steering column. You an then pul the > wheel off the tapered, splined end of the column. I have never needed a > puller, but you may. > > If it's a high-windshield car, I am not sure, as I never had one apart. > From the diagram in the Nissan parts manual, it appears to come apart the > same way as the low-windshield steering wheel. I don't know how to get the > horn button off. I assume it is pried off, though. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Bush" > Cc: "Roadster List" > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:57 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel > > > > Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. > > > > I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for > > nearly > > 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have > > ordered > > from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. > > > > Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has anyone > > experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? > > > > As always, thanks for the input. > > > > ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my list > > of > > questions. > > > > Stay well, > > > > Rick > > ________________________________________ > > > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gordon.e.maness at hotmai l.com From hrhaslett at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 16:12:57 2012 From: hrhaslett at yahoo.com (Roy Haslett) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <1334355177.71026.YahooMailNeo@web130203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have had a Momo Prototipo wheel on my 67 1600 since the 80's. It is a great wheel and has the 3 spoke design with very similar drilled pattern as on original Datsun. It installed with an adaptor kit from momo and I have a Datsun horn button that momo offered back then. Don't know if they still do. It cost $135 in 85 and I think they are stiil about that price today. Good Luck Roy 67 low 1600 ________________________________ From: Gordon Maness To: aultgc at att.net; rabush2000 at hotmail.com Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel On the high windshield cars the horn button is push and turn to remove.It helps to disconnect the battery. g with a fleet > From: aultgc at att.net > To: rabush2000 at hotmail.com > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:40:13 -0500 > CC: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel > > Rick, > > If it's a low-windshield car, just disconnect the battery, pop off the horn > button by separating it with a small screwdriver at the indentation in the > seam, remove the small wire which is the positive lead to the horn, and > remove the large nut on the end of the steering column. You an then pul the > wheel off the tapered, splined end of the column. I have never needed a > puller, but you may. > > If it's a high-windshield car, I am not sure, as I never had one apart. > From the diagram in the Nissan parts manual, it appears to come apart the > same way as the low-windshield steering wheel. I don't know how to get the > horn button off. I assume it is pried off, though. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Bush" > Cc: "Roadster List" > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:57 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Wheel > > > > Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. > > > > I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for > > nearly > > 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have > > ordered > > from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. > > > > Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has anyone > > experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? > > > > As always, thanks for the input. > > > > ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my list > > of > > questions. > > > > Stay well, > > > > Rick > > ________________________________________ > > > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gordon.e.maness at hotmai l.com ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/hrhaslett at yahoo.com From RWM at RWMann.com Sat Apr 14 07:13:32 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:13:32 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] --> Re: Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: <4F885159.2050503@hornesystemstx.com> References: <4F885159.2050503@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: <4F8977FC.2000005@RWMann.com> I use a 10" diameter thick padded rimmed wheel from Formuling France with 240Z splined adapter by same manufacturer. Same reasoning and observations as Pat. Good way to check tire pressures. Steering gets very heavy when cutting the wheel at a stop with lower than ideal front tire pressures. On 4/13/2012 12:16 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > Richard, > > My 67.5 steering wheel is smaller than stock. I had problems getting > my legs under it when getting in and out. I don't remember what brand > it is for sure, but I think it is a Momo. When moving it works very > well, but when stopped or parallel parking it can be a bitch to get > the wheels turned. > > You are welcome here any time you decide to come to Lockhart! My car > is just as you saw it last time out, still waiting for me to overhaul > the engine. > > Peace, > Pat > > Thusly spake Richard Bush, On 4/12/2012 10:57 PM: >> Greetings - it was in the low 80s today. Perfect weather for the car. >> >> I have my car back after nearly two months and it's driving great for >> nearly >> 50 years. The carbs need to be re-built - it idles high, and I have >> ordered >> from Z-therapy although I won't do the work immediately. >> >> Question to the group: how do I remove the steering wheel and, has >> anyone >> experimented with a smaller wheel - a Momo perhaps? >> >> As always, thanks for the input. >> >> ps: if anyone is in the Austin area, BBQ's on me and I will bring my >> list of >> questions. >> >> Stay well, >> >> Rick >> ________________________________________ From tputland at charter.net Sat Apr 14 07:37:01 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] heater hose lengths Message-ID: <24ecbea.3d7f9.136b11233b3.Webtop.48@charter.net> Since I have a hard time getting under the dash, I am hoping someone can tell me this info: How long are the heater hoses please? Specifically, how much of each hose is on the passenger side of the firewall? This is for the high windscreen models. Thanks tim From tputland at charter.net Sat Apr 14 08:00:40 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Fuel lines Message-ID: <234c1d68.3dbe1.136b127da84.Webtop.48@charter.net> While inspecting my hoses yesterday I noticed something I am curious about... The fuel line from the hard line to the filter is 1/4" and the line from the pump to the carbs is 5/16. In looking at the pump, the inlet fitting is bigger than the outlet fitting. I will be running 40mm Webers soon. What size fuel lines should I be running now with my SUs and later on once I install the webers on my stroker? Thanks! tim From ronnie.day at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 10:16:32 2012 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool Message-ID: I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet and then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No go on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on the hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require any cutting. FWIW, Ron From aultgc at att.net Sat Apr 14 18:07:57 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:07:57 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Fuel lines References: <234c1d68.3dbe1.136b127da84.Webtop.48@charter.net> Message-ID: Tim, FOr soe reason which escapes me, Nissan used two different fuel hose sizes. Stick with what is there now until you convert the carbs. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Fuel lines > While inspecting my hoses yesterday I noticed something I am curious > about... > > The fuel line from the hard line to the filter is 1/4" and the line from > the pump to the carbs is 5/16. > > In looking at the pump, the inlet fitting is bigger than the outlet > fitting. > > I will be running 40mm Webers soon. > > What size fuel lines should I be running now with my SUs and later on > once I install the webers on my stroker? > > Thanks! > tim > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From aultgc at att.net Sat Apr 14 18:18:09 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:18:09 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] List Membership Message-ID: <73861C3C16644BFDB20BFFAF859FF4F6@gaxp1> I believe someone maliciously requested that my address aultgc at att.net, be removed from the list. I do not want to be removed. Thanks. Gary From geegc at aol.com Sat Apr 14 19:21:08 2012 From: geegc at aol.com (geegc at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:21:08 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Spare 14" wheel and old tire. Silverlake CA In-Reply-To: <73861C3C16644BFDB20BFFAF859FF4F6@gaxp1> References: <73861C3C16644BFDB20BFFAF859FF4F6@gaxp1> Message-ID: <762981607-1334452868-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1563427192-@b5.c2.bise6.blackberry> Anyone want it before I take it to the dump? Gary C Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" Sender: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:18:09 To: Subject: [Roadsters] List Membership I believe someone maliciously requested that my address aultgc at att.net, be removed from the list. I do not want to be removed. Thanks. Gary ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/geegc at aol.com From hrhaslett at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 19:36:03 2012 From: hrhaslett at yahoo.com (Roy Haslett) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: <24E89E6D-434D-4F78-BF1C-1C54B24B499A@sbcglobal.net> References: <24E89E6D-434D-4F78-BF1C-1C54B24B499A@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1334453763.41875.YahooMailNeo@web130206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What I do is pull the coil wire and turn the engine over with the starter motor, this will pressurize the system somewhat and get the oil around the engine before you fire it up. I also run full synthetic oil plus a quart of Lucas Oil Stabalizer. Good Luck. Roy 67 low 1600 ________________________________ From: Gary McCormick To: Domingo Castilleja Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer You're going to want to get oil to the cam followers, cam, etc. Only way to do that is to spin the pump & pressurize the oil system. Gary McCormick San JosC), CA Sent from my iPod On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Domingo Castilleja wrote: > I am about ready to crank my roadster and I am wondering if I need to use a > oil pump primer to route oil thru the engine. I have oiled the cylinders > and turned the engine manually and I was wondering if this is sufficient. > mingocast > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/hrhaslett at yahoo.com From rksmith46 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 14 20:30:14 2012 From: rksmith46 at hotmail.com (robert k. smith) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:30:14 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: <1334453763.41875.YahooMailNeo@web130206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <24E89E6D-434D-4F78-BF1C-1C54B24B499A@sbcglobal.net>, <1334453763.41875.YahooMailNeo@web130206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi, also, i would take out the spark plugs, so the eng. turns over easier, and less pressure on the brgs. until oil pressure comes up. bob smith, ohio > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:36:03 -0700 > From: hrhaslett at yahoo.com > To: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net; mingocast at gmail.com > CC: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > > What I do is pull the coil wire and turn the engine over with the starter > motor, this will pressurize the system somewhat and get the oil around the > engine before you fire it up. I also run full synthetic oil plus a quart of > Lucas Oil Stabalizer. Good Luck. > Roy > 67 low 1600 > ________________________________ > From: Gary McCormick > To: Domingo Castilleja > Cc: > "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" > Sent: > Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > You're going to want to get oil to the cam followers, cam, etc. Only way to > do that is to spin the pump & pressurize the oil system. > > Gary McCormick > San > JosC), CA > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Domingo Castilleja > wrote: > > > I am about ready to crank my roadster and I am > wondering if I need to use a > > oil pump primer to route oil thru the engine. I > have oiled the cylinders > > and turned the engine manually and I was wondering > if this is sufficient. > > mingocast > > ________________________________________ From rksmith46 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 14 20:35:36 2012 From: rksmith46 at hotmail.com (robert k. smith) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:35:36 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 > From: ronnie.day at gmail.com > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; bluebird510 at googlegroups.com > Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > > I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet and > then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a > socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No go > on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle > 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on the > hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of > allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require any > cutting. > > FWIW, > Ron > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rksmith46 at hotmail.com From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sat Apr 14 20:57:23 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 02:57:23 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: References: , <24E89E6D-434D-4F78-BF1C-1C54B24B499A@sbcglobal.net> , <1334453763.41875.YahooMailNeo@web130206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1819890539-1334458644-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1288231130-@b15.c20.bise6.blackberry> I'm w/ Gary ..... spin the oil pump to get oil in -BEFORE- any moving parts move. Pete Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "robert k. smith" Sender: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:30:14 To: roadster list Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer hi, also, i would take out the spark plugs, so the eng. turns over easier, and less pressure on the brgs. until oil pressure comes up. bob smith, ohio > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:36:03 -0700 > From: hrhaslett at yahoo.com > To: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net; mingocast at gmail.com > CC: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > > What I do is pull the coil wire and turn the engine over with the starter > motor, this will pressurize the system somewhat and get the oil around the > engine before you fire it up. I also run full synthetic oil plus a quart of > Lucas Oil Stabalizer. Good Luck. > Roy > 67 low 1600 > ________________________________ > From: Gary McCormick > To: Domingo Castilleja > Cc: > "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" > Sent: > Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > You're going to want to get oil to the cam followers, cam, etc. Only way to > do that is to spin the pump & pressurize the oil system. > > Gary McCormick > San > JosC), CA > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Domingo Castilleja > wrote: > > > I am about ready to crank my roadster and I am > wondering if I need to use a > > oil pump primer to route oil thru the engine. I > have oiled the cylinders > > and turned the engine manually and I was wondering > if this is sufficient. > > mingocast > > ________________________________________ ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ppeters914 at comcast.net From hallosb at juno.com Sun Apr 15 03:13:37 2012 From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:13:37 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Message-ID: <20120415.021337.25539.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> x3 I like to spin the pump with a drill. I cut-off the end of an old screw driver and use it as the bit to turn the pump. You do have to pull the distributor but, to me it's worth the extra effort to know everything's all oiled up before the pistons and valves start moving. Dan '66 1600 ---------- Original Message ---------- Return-Path: I'm w/ Gary ..... spin the oil pump to get oil in -BEFORE- any moving parts move. Pete Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f8a9178de1f34c0a2fst01vuc From RWM at RWMann.com Sun Apr 15 05:20:30 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:20:30 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> Or a 12-point... On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: > hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, > and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio > >> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 >> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com >> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; bluebird510 at googlegroups.com >> Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool >> >> I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet and >> then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a >> socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No go >> on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle >> 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on the >> hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of >> allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require any >> cutting. >> >> FWIW, >> Ron From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 05:53:10 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:53:10 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> References: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> Message-ID: Square, 8 point, 12 point? It all depends how how bad your PO treated the adjusters. Too often the 1/4" square is rounded off because the PO, or to be fair, his mechanic, has tried to adjust the brakes beyond the adjusters range instead of installing new shoes. BTDT! Good luck, Paul Ohio On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:20 AM, RWM wrote: > Or a 12-point... > > > On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: > >> hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, >> and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio >> >> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 >>> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com >>> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net ; >>> bluebird510 at googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool >>> >>> I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet >>> and >>> then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a >>> socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No >>> go >>> on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle >>> 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on >>> the >>> hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of >>> allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require >>> any >>> cutting. >>> >>> FWIW, >>> Ron >>> >> ______________________________**__________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** > paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com From RWM at RWMann.com Sun Apr 15 06:05:49 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:05:49 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: References: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> Message-ID: <4F8AB99D.8000506@RWMann.com> For that problem (and forever after) we have ViceGrips... LOL On 4/15/2012 7:53 AM, Paul Kort wrote: > Square, 8 point, 12 point? It all depends how how bad your PO > treated the adjusters. Too often the 1/4" square is rounded off > because the PO, or to be fair, his mechanic, has tried to adjust the > brakes beyond the adjusters range instead of installing new shoes. BTDT! > Good luck, > > Paul > Ohio > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:20 AM, RWM > wrote: > > Or a 12-point... > > > On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: > > hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the > square, > and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio > > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 > From: ronnie.day at gmail.com > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > ; > bluebird510 at googlegroups.com > > Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > > I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, > doing the carpet and > then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's > looking for a > socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake > adjuster. No go > on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex > caliper bit (Lisle > 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 > drive socket on the > hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets > with a piece of > allen stock has been suggested before, but this option > doesn't require any > cutting. > > FWIW, > Ron From stephen.holst at randrglobal.com Sun Apr 15 08:10:27 2012 From: stephen.holst at randrglobal.com (Stephen Holst) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:10:27 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: <20120415.021337.25539.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: HI: While I prefer the spin the oil pump method it is possible to rig an external oil pump to the main gallery at the forward gallery port by removing the plug (Datsun part number 08931-3021A with description of :PLUG-HEXAGON TAPER THREAD, OIL GALLERY listed on page 179 of the Datsun 1600 & 2000 parts catalogue http://www.drone-club.com/files/webpics/Datsun_Parts_Manual.pdf ) and attaching the pump. See also picture attached It is necessary to also block the oil pump to isolate the oiling system from the sump. This can be simply if inelegantly done by blocking the port with a solid sheet of casketing and a flat block of your choice (see attached picture). The system in the picture was set up to insure that the spare engine was purged of oxidative substances in the old oil. I run the pump with synthetic detergent oil until the camshaft holes bleed clear oil, for my purpose. If for some reason you do not want to spin the pump this method provides oil to all parts except the oil pump. Steve On 4/15/12 5:13 AM, "hallosb at juno.com" wrote: > x3 > > I like to spin the pump with a drill. I cut-off the end of an old screw driver > and use it as the bit to turn the pump. You do have to pull the distributor > but, to me it's worth the extra effort to know everything's all oiled up > before the pistons and valves start moving. > > Dan > '66 1600 > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > Return-Path: > > > I'm w/ Gary ..... spin the oil pump to get oil in -BEFORE- any moving parts > move. > > Pete > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f8a9178de1f34c0a2fst01vuc > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/stephen.holst at randrglob > al.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type multipart/appledouble] From mingocast at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 12:20:33 2012 From: mingocast at gmail.com (Domingo Castilleja) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:20:33 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Message-ID: Has anyone used a srewdriver (shaft) as an oil pump primer? Do you foresee any problems using the shaft with drill to turn the oil pump. mingocast From pat at hornesystemstx.com Sun Apr 15 13:08:36 2012 From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:08:36 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8B1CB4.8060600@hornesystemstx.com> Tom Walter suggested the shaft priming back in the 90's. The one thing that nobody has mentioned is that you have to turn it counter-clockwise to prime the engine. I rebuilt a 1941 Buick Straight 8 some years ago and decided to prime the engine using the oi pump. I was really surprised how long it took to get the air out of the lines. It took several minutes to bring the pressure up to full pressure. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Domingo Castilleja, On 4/15/2012 1:20 PM: > Has anyone used a srewdriver (shaft) as an oil pump primer? Do you foresee > any problems using the shaft with drill to turn the oil pump. > mingocast > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From rksmith46 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 15 13:30:54 2012 From: rksmith46 at hotmail.com (robert k. smith) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:30:54 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> References: , , <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> Message-ID: no offense, but if a 12 point socket works, the head is messed up. i have driven on a 12 point socket, where the head has been has been vise- gripped. the original design is square, and and an 8 point X 1/4" socket fits very well, if the head is not mashed out of shape. bob > Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:20:30 -0400 > From: RWM at RWMann.com > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > > Or a 12-point... > > > On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: > > hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, > > and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio > > > >> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 > >> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com > >> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; bluebird510 at googlegroups.com > >> Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > >> > >> I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet and > >> then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a > >> socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No go > >> on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle > >> 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on the > >> hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of > >> allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require any > >> cutting. > >> > >> FWIW, > >> Ron > ________________________________________ From aultgc at att.net Sun Apr 15 15:24:42 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:24:42 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer References: <20120415.021337.25539.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <6277FCA4B8004FEF87C571551991F057@gaxp1> Dan, Isn't it also necessary to remove the intermediate gear which engages the jackshaft? How does one realign the slot in the oil pump drive shaft to reinsert the intermediate shaft when done priming the oil system? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > x3 > > I like to spin the pump with a drill. I cut-off the end of an old screw > driver > and use it as the bit to turn the pump. You do have to pull the > distributor > but, to me it's worth the extra effort to know everything's all oiled up > before the pistons and valves start moving. > > Dan > '66 1600 > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > Return-Path: > > > I'm w/ Gary ..... spin the oil pump to get oil in -BEFORE- any moving > parts > move. > > Pete > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f8a9178de1f34c0a2fst01vuc > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From aultgc at att.net Sun Apr 15 15:33:16 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:33:16 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool References: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> Message-ID: <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> RWM, What size 12-point? I don't think a 1/4-inch 12-point hex socket will fit a 1/4 square head -- too small. (I don't have a 1/4 12-point, but you can demonstrate the same thing with a 3/8 square drive extension: It takes a 7/16 12-point to accommodate the 3/8 square head.) Personally, I just use a 1/4-inch open end wrench with the back end on stands so I can get at the adjuster. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "RWM" To: "Datsun Roadster Listserver" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > Or a 12-point... > > > On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: >> hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, >> and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio >> >>> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 >>> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com >>> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; bluebird510 at googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool >>> >>> I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet >>> and >>> then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a >>> socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No >>> go >>> on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle >>> 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on >>> the >>> hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of >>> allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require >>> any >>> cutting. >>> >>> FWIW, >>> Ron > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From ronnie.day at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 16:18:10 2012 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:18:10 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> References: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> Message-ID: Don't remember if I mentioned it, but I'm pulling the drums to diagnose a bad grab on the right rear, not just adjusting the rear brakes. IMO, if you use a socket that engages just the corners of the adjuster you risk rounding the corners off if the adjuster doesn't turn easily. Regardless, earlier I used the setup I described in my original post to back the adjuster all the way out on one side and that worked fine, but the drum doesn't want to come off. Then we had a line of storm come through. The shoes aren't dragging. Before I came in I sprayed the mating line between the axles and the drums, and the holes where the wheel studs come through the drum with PB Blaster. I'll go out in a few and whack the drums (carefully) with a hammer if needed, and I may need to try heat. Unfortunately the roadster drums don't have threaded holes like the Z-Car drums that we use on the 510s have. I may end up seeing if the O'Reilly's here in town has a puller big enough to grab the drum. Old cars are SO much fun!! Ron On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > RWM, > > What size 12-point? I don't think a 1/4-inch 12-point hex socket will fit > a 1/4 square head -- too small. (I don't have a 1/4 12-point, but you can > demonstrate the same thing with a 3/8 square drive extension: It takes a > 7/16 12-point to accommodate the 3/8 square head.) > > Personally, I just use a 1/4-inch open end wrench with the back end on > stands so I can get at the adjuster. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "RWM" > To: "Datsun Roadster Listserver" > > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > > > Or a 12-point... >> >> >> On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: >> >>> hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, >>> and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio >>> >>> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 >>>> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com >>>> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net ; >>>> bluebird510 at googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool >>>> >>>> I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet >>>> and >>>> then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a >>>> socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No >>>> go >>>> on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle >>>> 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on >>>> the >>>> hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of >>>> allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require >>>> any >>>> cutting. >>>> >>>> FWIW, >>>> Ron >>>> >>> ______________________________**__________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** >> aultgc at att.net >> > ______________________________**__________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** > ronnie.day at gmail.com From RWM at RWMann.com Sun Apr 15 16:30:05 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:30:05 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] --> Re: Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> References: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> Message-ID: <4F8B4BED.6000303@RWMann.com> I've got 1/4-drive 12-point thin-wall sockets in 4mm-12mm, with 4-8mm being by 0.5mm, so I would use a 6.5mm socket. There are also 12-point thin-wall standard sockets. In each case, (standard and metric) the small socket dimensions are much smaller than the drive size. On 4/15/2012 5:33 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > RWM, > > What size 12-point? I don't think a 1/4-inch 12-point hex socket will > fit a 1/4 square head -- too small. (I don't have a 1/4 12-point, but > you can demonstrate the same thing with a 3/8 square drive extension: > It takes a 7/16 12-point to accommodate the 3/8 square head.) > > Personally, I just use a 1/4-inch open end wrench with the back end on > stands so I can get at the adjuster. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "RWM" > To: "Datsun Roadster Listserver" > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > > >> Or a 12-point... >> >> >> On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: >>> hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, >>> and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio >>> >>>> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 >>>> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com >>>> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; bluebird510 at googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool >>>> >>>> I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the >>>> carpet and >>>> then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a >>>> socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake >>>> adjuster. No go >>>> on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit >>>> (Lisle >>>> 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket >>>> on the >>>> hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a >>>> piece of >>>> allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't >>>> require any >>>> cutting. >>>> >>>> FWIW, >>>> Ron From mingocast at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 16:39:53 2012 From: mingocast at gmail.com (Domingo Castilleja) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:39:53 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil pump primer Message-ID: I cannot find an oil pump primer for my 1970 datsun, 1600. Any suggestions. mingocast From bubwin at mymts.net Sun Apr 15 17:04:19 2012 From: bubwin at mymts.net (Bob Winslade) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've used one, but I slipped a piece of hose over it that went down over the rod, so the screwdriver blade wouldn't slip off. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Domingo Castilleja Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:20 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Has anyone used a srewdriver (shaft) as an oil pump primer? Do you foresee any problems using the shaft with drill to turn the oil pump. mingocast ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/bubwin at mts.net From bubwin at mymts.net Sun Apr 15 17:10:22 2012 From: bubwin at mymts.net (Bob Winslade) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:10:22 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> References: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> Message-ID: Craftsman (and other tool makers) have 8 point sockets. I would prefer 4 point but don't know if anyone makes them Bob -----Original Message----- From: Gary and Cindy Ault Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:33 PM To: RWM ; Datsun Roadster Listserver Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool RWM, What size 12-point? I don't think a 1/4-inch 12-point hex socket will fit a 1/4 square head -- too small. (I don't have a 1/4 12-point, but you can demonstrate the same thing with a 3/8 square drive extension: It takes a 7/16 12-point to accommodate the 3/8 square head.) Personally, I just use a 1/4-inch open end wrench with the back end on stands so I can get at the adjuster. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "RWM" To: "Datsun Roadster Listserver" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > Or a 12-point... > > > On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: >> hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, >> and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio >> >>> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 >>> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com >>> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; bluebird510 at googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool >>> >>> I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet >>> and >>> then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a >>> socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No >>> go >>> on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle >>> 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on >>> the >>> hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of >>> allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require >>> any >>> cutting. >>> >>> FWIW, >>> Ron > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/bubwin at mymts.net From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 19:17:49 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:17:49 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] [Bluebird510] Re: Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: <4F8B6B37.6000508@comcast.net> References: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> <4F8B6B37.6000508@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, 510east <510east at comcast.net> wrote: > > I'm guessing the PB and a few careful whacks of that hammer will do the > trick though. > > That's what worked for me. And after a few day of soaking the drums with no results, I just got a bit angry and hit them harder! I think it was day 5 they finally broke free! Unless I had a spare set of good drums, I wouldn't drill holes in one. But if anybody needs one or two, I can probably scrape a few up. I just hope they come off the axles easy! (:-) Paul Ohio From rtdengr at charter.net Sun Apr 15 21:01:14 2012 From: rtdengr at charter.net (Bob Dicke) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:01:14 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool In-Reply-To: References: <4F8AAEFE.1090401@RWMann.com> <82973263C5524FE4A1DAF3A12892351D@gaxp1> Message-ID: <01df01cd1b7d$2fcb3180$8f619480$@charter.net> Try an 11mm 1/4" drive 12pt socket backwards on a 3/8 ratchet. That should give you a 1/4" 4pt socket that will fit the brake adjuster. Bob -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Winslade Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:10 PM To: Gary and Cindy Ault; RWM; Datsun Roadster Listserver Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool Craftsman (and other tool makers) have 8 point sockets. I would prefer 4 point but don't know if anyone makes them Bob -----Original Message----- From: Gary and Cindy Ault Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:33 PM To: RWM ; Datsun Roadster Listserver Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool RWM, What size 12-point? I don't think a 1/4-inch 12-point hex socket will fit a 1/4 square head -- too small. (I don't have a 1/4 12-point, but you can demonstrate the same thing with a 3/8 square drive extension: It takes a 7/16 12-point to accommodate the 3/8 square head.) Personally, I just use a 1/4-inch open end wrench with the back end on stands so I can get at the adjuster. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "RWM" To: "Datsun Roadster Listserver" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool > Or a 12-point... > > > On 4/14/2012 10:35 PM, robert k. smith wrote: >> hi,ron, i think you need an 8 point socket.( 4 points make the square, >> and will fit the adj.) have fun, bob smith, ohio >> >>> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:16:32 -0500 >>> From: ronnie.day at gmail.com >>> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; bluebird510 at googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [Roadsters] Brake Adjuster Tool >>> >>> I'm going to be working on the Roadster this weekend, doing the carpet >>> and >>> then the rear brakes. I stopped at the local O'Reilly's looking for a >>> socket with a 1/4 square business end to fit the the brake adjuster. No >>> go >>> on a specific socket, but I did find a 1/4 allen/hex caliper bit (Lisle >>> 12450). It's 3/8 drive so I can just stick a 1/4 x 1/4 drive socket on >>> the >>> hex end go to it. I know that using a couple of sockets with a piece of >>> allen stock has been suggested before, but this option doesn't require >>> any >>> cutting. >>> >>> FWIW, >>> Ron > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/bubwin at mymts.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rtdengr at charter.net From tputland at charter.net Mon Apr 16 06:56:12 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Message-ID: <2c49d469.4ef8d.136bb398cc4.Webtop.46@charter.net> Anyone have any input on this...... Thanks On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > Dan, > > Isn't it also necessary to remove the intermediate gear which engages > the jackshaft? How does one realign the slot in the oil pump drive > shaft to reinsert the intermediate shaft when done priming the oil > system? > > Gary From Keith0alan at aol.com Mon Apr 16 07:27:25 2012 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Message-ID: <91b0.23342653.3cbd783d@aol.com> Hello all, I have used the screw driver blade in the electric drill turning backwards method with good success. Yes you do need to remove the drive gear that engages the cam/jackshaft. Getting it realigned is a pain but possible involving turning the oil pump a little, installing the gear, removing the gear, turning the pump a little, installing the gear, removing the gear, ad nauseam. For fun you can add a little moving the crank shaft back and forth but I don't think it helps much. keith In a message dated 4/16/2012 6:00:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tputland at charter.net writes: Anyone have any input on this...... Thanks On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > Dan, > > Isn't it also necessary to remove the intermediate gear which engages > the jackshaft? How does one realign the slot in the oil pump drive > shaft to reinsert the intermediate shaft when done priming the oil > system? > > Gary ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/keith0alan at aol.com From tputland at charter.net Mon Apr 16 07:43:47 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Message-ID: <47e988a3.4fb0c.136bb651caf.Webtop.46@charter.net> Thanks Scott. This is basically what I thought would be involved--at least in my modest knowledge base somewhere in the vastness of my severely damaged brain pan. I was thinking it would be best to get this detailed info out to the whole list just in case there is even one person out there who does not know this. tim On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Scott Sheeler wrote: Tim: Before priming with the distributor drive gear removed you must set the engine to TDC on #1 cylinder to assure your timing is correct and then not move the crankshaft until you are done. It is a bear to get the drive gear back into the slot in the oil pump since the gears are helical gears and the drive gear will turn as it is lowered back into the block. This will also turn the tang on the bottom of the drive gear that is to align with the oil pump drive shaft slot. It can be a very time-consuming operation that, once finished, has to be confirmed that the drive gear is in the correct location to allow installation of the distributor. The 2000 factory workshop manual has a number of good photos of what things should look like when they're put back together. One ideal way to do it is to set the engine at TDC exactly, take a photo of the drive gear slot orientation (the distributor drive slot will be offset to one side), remove the distributor drive gear, take a good, clear photo of the location of the slot in the oil pump shaft and then do your priming. Once completed, refer to the photo to get the oil pump drive slot returned to the precise location. "Precise" is the word since the tang on the drive gear must hit the pump shaft slot exactly as you insert it and it turns as it meshes. Be prepared for a lot of trial and error. Scott Sheeler http://thedatsunroadsterbook.com/ > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:56:12 -0400 From: tputland at charter.net To: > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump > Primer > Anyone have any input on this...... Thanks > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: >> Dan, >> Isn't it also necessary to remove the intermediate gear which engages >> the jackshaft? How does one realign the slot in the oil pump drive >> shaft to reinsert the intermediate shaft when done priming the oil >> system? >> Gary > ________________________________________ > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/poontang188 at hotmail.com From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 07:47:54 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:47:54 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: <91b0.23342653.3cbd783d@aol.com> References: <91b0.23342653.3cbd783d@aol.com> Message-ID: Keith, Sounds like you've done this more than once! At the race barn we always try to remember just where the shaft was oriented when it came loose from the jack shaft gear. Theoretically, that should be where to drop it back in. Maybe in another dimension! (:-) Paul Ohio On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:27 AM, wrote: > Hello all, > > I have used the screw driver blade in the electric drill turning > backwards method with good success. Yes you do need to remove the drive > gear > that engages the cam/jackshaft. Getting it realigned is a pain but > possible > involving turning the oil pump a little, installing the gear, removing the > gear, turning the pump a little, installing the gear, removing the gear, > ad > nauseam. For fun you can add a little moving the crank shaft back and > forth > but I don't think it helps much. > > keith > > > In a message dated 4/16/2012 6:00:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > tputland at charter.net writes: > > Anyone have any input on this...... > Thanks > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > > > Dan, > > > > Isn't it also necessary to remove the intermediate gear which engages > > the jackshaft? How does one realign the slot in the oil pump drive > > shaft to reinsert the intermediate shaft when done priming the oil > > system? > > > > Gary > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/keith0alan at aol.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com From ljordan704 at netscape.net Mon Apr 16 08:13:20 2012 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda Jordan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:13:20 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: References: <91b0.23342653.3cbd783d@aol.com> Message-ID: <8F0189EE-5916-49D9-A7C3-DE01959B64D6@netscape.net> I think the better way is to drain a qt of oil from the pan and drizzle it over the rockers, assuming you have clean oil. Getting that dizzy gear in correctly can be a pain. I seem to recall the orientation is 11:25, but it spirals into place. Even Tom Walters said it took him 30 min one time. Linda >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/keith0alan at aol.com >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/paulsdatsunstuff at gmail .com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.ne t From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Mon Apr 16 08:23:11 2012 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary Message-ID: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Hey Roadster owners - 2013 is the 50th anniversary of the Fairlady Roadsters production. Anyone have leads into Nissan in the USA to see if they would put together a celebration of the best sports car on the road? They did something for the Z car's 40th, why not the Roadsters who set the bar for the Z's? Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1967 SPL311-09144 From geegc at aol.com Mon Apr 16 09:29:53 2012 From: geegc at aol.com (geegc at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:29:53 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Great idea. Re: 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: <912280770-1334590196-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-289432092-@b5.c2.bise6.blackberry> Do a show in CA. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com Sender: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:23:11 To: Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary Hey Roadster owners - 2013 is the 50th anniversary of the Fairlady Roadsters production. Anyone have leads into Nissan in the USA to see if they would put together a celebration of the best sports car on the road? They did something for the Z car's 40th, why not the Roadsters who set the bar for the Z's? Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1967 SPL311-09144 ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/geegc at aol.com From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 09:33:26 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:33:26 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. The fellow I spoke this morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, but he had not heard of anything there, either. Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's not celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the car in the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, which formed the basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the automaker. Nice thought Gary, which they had been more receptive. ---- On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > Hey Roadster owners - > > 2013 is the 50th anniversary of the Fairlady Roadsters production. B Anyone > have leads into Nissan in the USA to see if they would put together a > celebration of the best sports car on the road? > > They did something for the Z car's 40th, why not the Roadsters who set the > bar for the Z's? > > Gary Lasater B - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) B / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) > 1963 SPL310-00161C B (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 B SPL311-09144 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/courjpeg at gmail.com From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Mon Apr 16 09:41:52 2012 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History Message-ID: <253c.5acebfac.3cbd97c0@aol.com> Got this from one of the roadster enthusiasts. Can you believe this BS, if it wasn't for the roadster the Z car wouldn't have come to fruition. We need to start a campaign to get these snot nosed young pukes who don't know about the roadster, some education: Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. The fellow I spoke this morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, but he had not heard of anything there, either. Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's not celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the car in the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, which formed the basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the automaker. Anyone know contacts at Nissan in Japan to build a fire? Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1967 SPL311-09144 From ljordan704 at netscape.net Mon Apr 16 10:11:23 2012 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda Jordan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:11:23 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: <253c.5acebfac.3cbd97c0@aol.com> References: <253c.5acebfac.3cbd97c0@aol.com> Message-ID: <72D3C077-8821-4CFA-A5DB-A8415F310AAF@netscape.net> Why spend energy trying to make Nissan come around? Best thing to do is have a party with some nice examples of the cars and call the news media. Then look right into the camera and say that Nissan is dumb for not bringing the car back in a updated way. That should get the execs to wake up from their naps. Don't get me started LOL Linda Sent from my iPod On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > Got this from one of the roadster enthusiasts. Can you believe this BS, > if it wasn't for the roadster the Z car wouldn't have come to fruition. We > need to start a campaign to get these snot nosed young pukes who don't know > about the roadster, some education: > > Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according > to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. The fellow I spoke this > morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, but he had not heard of anything > there, either. > > Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's not > celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the car in > the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, which formed the > basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the automaker. > > Anyone know contacts at Nissan in Japan to build a fire? > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.ne t From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 10:13:20 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: <72D3C077-8821-4CFA-A5DB-A8415F310AAF@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1334592800.35432.YahooMailClassic@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hear, hear! --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Linda Jordan wrote: From: Linda Jordan Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History To: "BARTERDUDE at aol.com" Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 9:11 AM Why spend energy trying to make Nissan come around? Best thing to do is have a party with some nice examples of the cars and call the news media. Then look right into the camera and say that Nissan is dumb for not bringing the car back in a updated way. That should get the execs to wake up from their naps. Don't get me started LOL Linda Sent from my iPod On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > Got this from one of the roadster enthusiasts. Can you believe this BS, > if it wasn't for the roadster the Z car wouldn't have come to fruition. We > need to start a campaign to get these snot nosed young pukes who don't know > about the roadster, some education: > > Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according > to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. The fellow I spoke this > morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, but he had not heard of anything > there, either. > > Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's not > celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the car in > the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, which formed the > basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the automaker. > > Anyone know contacts at Nissan in Japan to build a fire? > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.ne t ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 10:26:39 2012 From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:26:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History Message-ID: <6277595.1334593599929.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good idea. How about Solvang 2013 or Shasta 2013 as a forum to celebrate the 50th, start promotions now, and see what develops? Dewey -----Original Message----- >From: Linda Jordan >Sent: Apr 16, 2012 10:11 AM >To: "BARTERDUDE at aol.com" >Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History > >Why spend energy trying to make Nissan come around? Best thing to do is have a >party with some nice examples of the cars and call the news media. Then look >right into the camera and say that Nissan is dumb for not bringing the car >back in a updated way. That should get the execs to wake up from their naps. >Don't get me started LOL > >Linda > >Sent from my iPod > >On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > >> Got this from one of the roadster enthusiasts. Can you believe this BS, >> if it wasn't for the roadster the Z car wouldn't have come to fruition. We >> need to start a campaign to get these snot nosed young pukes who don't know >> about the roadster, some education: >> >> Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according >> to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. The fellow I spoke this >> morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, but he had not heard of >anything >> there, either. >> >> Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's not >> celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the car in >> the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, which formed >the >> basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the automaker. >> >> Anyone know contacts at Nissan in Japan to build a fire? >> >> Gary Lasater - Parker CO >> founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / >> _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) >> 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) >> 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) >> 1964 SPL310-01289 >> 1967 SPL311-09144 >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.ne >t >________________________________________ > >datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/hahlbohmd at earthlink.net From gordon.e.maness at hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 10:28:41 2012 From: gordon.e.maness at hotmail.com (Gordon Maness) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:28:41 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: <6277595.1334593599929.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6277595.1334593599929.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Go Linda!! > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:26:39 -0600 > From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net > To: ljordan704 at netscape.net; BARTERDUDE at aol.com > CC: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History > > Good idea. How about Solvang 2013 or Shasta 2013 as a forum to celebrate the 50th, start promotions now, and see what develops? Dewey > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Linda Jordan > >Sent: Apr 16, 2012 10:11 AM > >To: "BARTERDUDE at aol.com" > >Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" > >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History > > > >Why spend energy trying to make Nissan come around? Best thing to do is have a > >party with some nice examples of the cars and call the news media. Then look > >right into the camera and say that Nissan is dumb for not bringing the car > >back in a updated way. That should get the execs to wake up from their naps. > >Don't get me started LOL > > > >Linda > > > >Sent from my iPod > > > >On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > > > >> Got this from one of the roadster enthusiasts. Can you believe this BS, > >> if it wasn't for the roadster the Z car wouldn't have come to fruition. We > >> need to start a campaign to get these snot nosed young pukes who don't know > >> about the roadster, some education: > >> > >> Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according > >> to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. The fellow I spoke this > >> morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, but he had not heard of > >anything > >> there, either. > >> > >> Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's not > >> celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the car in > >> the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, which formed > >the > >> basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the automaker. > >> > >> Anyone know contacts at Nissan in Japan to build a fire? > >> > >> Gary Lasater - Parker CO > >> founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / > >> _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) > >> 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > >> 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > >> 1964 SPL310-01289 > >> 1967 SPL311-09144 > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.n e > >t > >________________________________________ > > > >datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/hahlbohmd at earthlink.ne t > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gordon.e.maness at hotmai l.com From ronnie.day at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 11:10:13 2012 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:10:13 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: <72D3C077-8821-4CFA-A5DB-A8415F310AAF@netscape.net> References: <253c.5acebfac.3cbd97c0@aol.com> <72D3C077-8821-4CFA-A5DB-A8415F310AAF@netscape.net> Message-ID: Unfortunately the corporate execs just don't care, IMO. They're going to use the Datsun name as a marketing tool, like they did in '78 when they tried to trade on the 510's reputation by bringing out the HL510. Unless someone with Mr. K's love of cars and enthusiasm ends up in a position to change things. That said, wasn't it the Breyers who organized the gathering in Williams, AZ last fall? I'd love to see that event repeated and grow. The problem with both Solvang and Shasta is location. You're simply not going to get as much mid west and eastern participation as an event more centrally located might attract. And please note that we we made the ''98 and '99 (All Datsun) Shasta meets from DFW. The 2010 Mitty was great, but it's too far east to attract many west coast folks. In the past Les and some others have mentioned Colorado Springs. Both Springs and Williams usually offer decent summer weather. Williams (obviously) isn't as central, but it's a great location. We spent several nights there last June while visiting the Grand Canyon. There's a train to the Park and a Planes of Fame facility at Valle Airport, about halfway between Williams and the Park entrance. FWIW, Ron ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Linda Why spend energy trying to make Nissan come around? Best thing to do is > have a > party with some nice examples of the cars and call the news media. Then > look > right into the camera and say that Nissan is dumb for not bringing the car > back in a updated way. That should get the execs to wake up from their > naps. > Don't get me started LOL From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 11:14:11 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334596451.60744.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Williams, AZ, has that great "Route 66" vibe workin' for it, too. ;^) Gary McCormick San Jose, CA '70 2000 SRL311-13291 --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Ronnie Day wrote: From: Ronnie Day Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History To: "Roadster List" Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 10:10 AM Unfortunately the corporate execs just don't care, IMO. They're going to use the Datsun name as a marketing tool, like they did in '78 when they tried to trade on the 510's reputation by bringing out the HL510. Unless someone with Mr. K's love of cars and enthusiasm ends up in a position to change things. That said, wasn't it the Breyers who organized the gathering in Williams, AZ last fall? I'd love to see that event repeated and grow. The problem with both Solvang and Shasta is location. You're simply not going to get as much mid west and eastern participation as an event more centrally located might attract. And please note that we we made the ''98 and '99 (All Datsun) Shasta meets from DFW. The 2010 Mitty was great, but it's too far east to attract many west coast folks. In the past Les and some others have mentioned Colorado Springs. Both Springs and Williams usually offer decent summer weather. Williams (obviously) isn't as central, but it's a great location. We spent several nights there last June while visiting the Grand Canyon. There's a train to the Park and a Planes of Fame facility at Valle Airport, about halfway between Williams and the Park entrance. FWIW, Ron ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Linda Why spend energy trying to make Nissan come around? Best thing to do is > have a > party with some nice examples of the cars and call the news media. Then > look > right into the camera and say that Nissan is dumb for not bringing the car > back in a updated way. That should get the execs to wake up from their > naps. > Don't get me started LOL ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From fairlady66 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 11:22:26 2012 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: <1334596451.60744.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1334596451.60744.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In October the 2nd Annual Multi-State Datsun Classic takes place in Williams, AZ Last year sponsored by SoCalROC. The classic is in the planning stages right now but if you keep on eye at www.nostalgicdatsun.com as updates are available they will be posted there. The site has some construction going on so be patient On 4/16/12, Gary McCormick wrote: > Williams, AZ, has that great "Route 66" vibe workin' for it, too. ;^) > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > '70 2000 SRL311-13291 > > > --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Ronnie Day wrote: > > From: Ronnie Day > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster > did for their History > To: "Roadster List" > Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 10:10 AM > > Unfortunately the corporate execs just don't care, IMO. They're going to > use the Datsun name as a marketing tool, like they did in '78 when they > tried to trade on the 510's reputation by bringing out the HL510. Unless > someone with Mr. K's love of cars and enthusiasm ends up in a position to > change things. > > That said, wasn't it the Breyers who organized the gathering in Williams, > AZ last fall? I'd love to see that event repeated and grow. The problem > with both Solvang and Shasta is location. You're simply not going to get as > much mid west and eastern participation as an event more centrally located > might attract. And please note that we we made the ''98 and '99 (All > Datsun) Shasta meets from DFW. The 2010 Mitty was great, but it's too far > east to attract many west coast folks. > > In the past Les and some others have mentioned Colorado Springs. Both > Springs and Williams usually offer decent summer weather. Williams > (obviously) isn't as central, but it's a great location. We spent several > nights there last June while visiting the Grand Canyon. There's a train to > the Park and a Planes of Fame facility at Valle Airport, about halfway > between Williams and the Park entrance. > > FWIW, > Ron > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Linda > > Why spend energy trying to make Nissan come around? Best thing to do is >> have a >> party with some nice examples of the cars and call the news media. Then >> look >> right into the camera and say that Nissan is dumb for not bringing the car >> back in a updated way. That should get the execs to wake up from their >> naps. >> Don't get me started LOL > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/fairlady66 at gmail.com > > > -- If you are lucky enough to stand next to a Datsun, then you are lucky enough. From ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 12:10:55 2012 From: ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com (Stan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:10:55 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: References: <1334596451.60744.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm a relatively new member of the list who lives in Flagstaff, AZ, just a stones throw from Williams. If there is anything I can do to help facilitate the planning or execution of the Multi-State Classic please contact me. I just looked at the website and yep, I'll be buying some shirts. BTW, I've been picking Ron Dickson's knowledge some; he's a great resource. Stan Wilkins On 4/16/2012 10:22 AM, Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: > In October the 2nd Annual Multi-State Datsun Classic takes place in Williams, AZ > Last year sponsored by SoCalROC. > > The classic is in the planning stages right now but if you keep on eye > at www.nostalgicdatsun.com as updates are available they will be > posted there. > > The site has some construction going on so be patient From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Mon Apr 16 12:31:56 2012 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for th... Message-ID: <93a2.63701e46.3cbdbf9c@aol.com> Linda - tell me - how do you REALLY FEEL!!!! Me too. Okay, I am up for a central location in 2013 (Fairlady production began in 1963) and let's shove it in corporates face. Williams, AZ or Colorado Springs, CO (well let see, Colorado is a little more central, gorgeous, could be a little cooler) but hey, either way, how bout something more central. Heck we pulled together two dozen roadsters for the WYCROC's 10th anniversary ride. If anyone has suggestions of working together for a central location for next year, let's work on getting more roadsters to that event than the dumb 40th anniversary Zcar event at Nissan USA headquarters. Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1967 SPL311-09144 In a message dated 4/16/2012 10:11:28 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ljordan704 at netscape.net writes: Why spend energy trying to make Nissan come around? Best thing to do is have a party with some nice examples of the cars and call the news media. Then look right into the camera and say that Nissan is dumb for not bringing the car back in a updated way. That should get the execs to wake up from their naps. Don't get me started LOL Linda Sent from my iPod On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > Got this from one of the roadster enthusiasts. Can you believe this BS, > if it wasn't for the roadster the Z car wouldn't have come to fruition. We > need to start a campaign to get these snot nosed young pukes who don't know > about the roadster, some education: > > Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according > to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. The fellow I spoke this > morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, but he had not heard of anything > there, either. > > Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's not > celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the car in > the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, which formed the > basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the automaker. > > Anyone know contacts at Nissan in Japan to build a fire? > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.net From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 13:08:30 2012 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:08:30 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: please don't flame me; I have a roadster. if I were corporate, I would have figured out that 95% of America have no clue what a roadster is. and of the remaining 5%, 2% still think its an mg or at least british. I bet at least 40% of the population are familiar with the z car in at least one of its iterations. so if I'm corporate, and I'm totally profit oriented, why would I try to bring publicity on a product that no one knows about, and is no longer made? again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. what's in it for them? granted, you could say itbs the precurser, but no one thinks beyond the surface. they don't look alike. how could that be? the Z car is still made, so there's motivation to promote it and its history. I'm just sayin. I wish I thought otherwise -----Original Message----- From: Paul Courson Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:33 AM To: BARTERDUDE at aol.com Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. The fellow I spoke this morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, but he had not heard of anything there, either. Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's not celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the car in the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, which formed the basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the automaker. Nice thought Gary, which they had been more receptive. ---- On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > Hey Roadster owners - > > 2013 is the 50th anniversary of the Fairlady Roadsters production. B Anyone > have leads into Nissan in the USA to see if they would put together a > celebration of the best sports car on the road? > > They did something for the Z car's 40th, why not the Roadsters who set the > bar for the Z's? > > Gary Lasater B - Parker CO From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 13:27:43 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:27:43 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, you're a realist, and your analysis is probably what governs the situation. But, One must remember that the Japanese culture is steeped in history, and its people are very respectful of the broadest concept of "heritage." For this reason alone, a corporation seeking to affirm its roots would have reasons beyond an economic equation to showcase a tangible example of that longevity. Numerically, the 311 is in a far stronger position to be seen by the public at large than, say, BMW's 507, the Mercedes gullwing, and the Ferrari 330 GTS, just to name a few that turn my head, seldom as that takes place. Two of those three automakers have a significant stake in the U.S. market, and regularly tout their heritage in television advertising showing historic models that are no longer made. Nissan, struggling to regain what many would consider its former glory in the U.S. under the DATSUN banner, could easily cash in on a huge opportunity to tie its history to the current American marketplace with the cool little sports car we own. The fact the majority of the U.S. public is unaware of the 311 would possibly help, not hurt, the impact of a properly crafted campaign and commemoration of 50 years since that car's production began. Finally, the "garage" series of Nissan ads a few years ago included the 311, proud and prominent. Someone simply needs to link a few scattered neurons in the corporate mindset, and maybe there could be a spark. Go for it ! On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:08 PM, dave n wrote: > please don't flame me; I have a roadster. > > if I were corporate, I would have figured out that 95% of America have no > clue what a roadster is. B and of the remaining 5%, 2% still think its an mg > or at least british. > > I bet at least 40% of the population are familiar with the z car in at least > one of its iterations. B so if I'm corporate, and I'm totally profit > oriented, why would I try to bring publicity on a product that no one knows > about, and is no longer made? B again, I'm just playing devil's advocate > here. B what's in it for them? > > granted, you could say itb s the precurser, but no one thinks beyond the > surface. B they don't look alike. B how could that be? > > the Z car is still made, so there's motivation to promote it and its > history. B I'm just sayin. B I wish I thought otherwise From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 13:29:40 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:29:40 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: References: <1334596451.60744.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Since Nissan corporate is in Tennessee, seems like we could ask them for a venue if not promotional support ... From john at thehogans.name Mon Apr 16 14:04:56 2012 From: john at thehogans.name (John Hogan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:04:56 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: <018201cd1c0c$3302f6f0$9908e4d0$@name> I'm a bit of a list stalker here (have a 1967.5 2000 stuck torn down in a storage building because I lost my garage when I had to move). I grew up with Datsun/Nissan all my life (dad worked for Nissan at the Jacksonville port and eventually corporate in LA for a bit 20 years ago) and I will say that I didn't know what a roadster was until I was in my 20s. I knew Z-cars, but the roadster is not that well known. When my dad worked at corporate Nissan, he threw out the idea of bringing the Datsun brand back. He was laughed out then, but 20 years later they are doing it. I think with the relaunch of the Datsun brand, it might make sense to "reacquaint" the public with the Datsun heritage.. and a 50 year anniversary of undoubtedly a really cool car is not a bad time to do it.. John > please don't flame me; I have a roadster. > > if I were corporate, I would have figured out that 95% of America have > no clue what a roadster is. B and of the remaining 5%, 2% still think > its an mg > or at least british. > > I bet at least 40% of the population are familiar with the z car in at least > one of its iterations. B so if I'm corporate, and I'm totally profit > oriented, why would I try to bring publicity on a product that no one > knows about, and is no longer made? B again, I'm just playing devil's > advocate here. B what's in it for them? From alvingogi at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 14:09:39 2012 From: alvingogi at gmail.com (alvin gogineni) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:09:39 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: Nissan did pay tribute to its roots(almost subliminally in a INFINITI ad) at one point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Clwy70ECXY wish they did this more often On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Paul Courson wrote: > Hi Dave, you're a realist, and your analysis is probably what governs > the situation. > > But, > > One must remember that the Japanese culture is steeped in history, and > its people are very respectful of the broadest concept of "heritage." > For this reason alone, a corporation seeking to affirm its roots would > have reasons beyond an economic equation to showcase a tangible > example of that longevity. > > Numerically, the 311 is in a far stronger position to be seen by the > public at large than, say, BMW's 507, the Mercedes gullwing, and the > Ferrari 330 GTS, just to name a few that turn my head, seldom as that > takes place. > > Two of those three automakers have a significant stake in the U.S. > market, and regularly tout their heritage in television advertising > showing historic models that are no longer made. > > Nissan, struggling to regain what many would consider its former glory > in the U.S. under the DATSUN banner, could easily cash in on a huge > opportunity to tie its history to the current American marketplace > with the cool little sports car we own. > > The fact the majority of the U.S. public is unaware of the 311 would > possibly help, not hurt, the impact of a properly crafted campaign and > commemoration of 50 years since that car's production began. > > Finally, the "garage" series of Nissan ads a few years ago included > the 311, proud and prominent. Someone simply needs to link a few > scattered neurons in the corporate mindset, and maybe there could be a > spark. > > Go for it ! > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:08 PM, dave n wrote: > > please don't flame me; I have a roadster. > > > > if I were corporate, I would have figured out that 95% of America have no > > clue what a roadster is. B and of the remaining 5%, 2% still think its an > mg > > or at least british. > > > > I bet at least 40% of the population are familiar with the z car in at > least > > one of its iterations. B so if I'm corporate, and I'm totally profit > > oriented, why would I try to bring publicity on a product that no one > knows > > about, and is no longer made? B again, I'm just playing devil's advocate > > here. B what's in it for them? > > > > granted, you could say itb s the precurser, but no one thinks beyond the > > surface. B they don't look alike. B how could that be? > > > > the Z car is still made, so there's motivation to promote it and its > > history. B I'm just sayin. B I wish I thought otherwise > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/alvingogi at gmail.com From tputland at charter.net Mon Apr 16 14:23:58 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary Message-ID: <79ebfece.56681.136bcd37dad.Webtop.46@charter.net> Oh that was just awesome! Thanks for sharing Alvin!!!! tim On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:09 PM, alvin gogineni wrote: > Nissan did pay tribute to its roots(almost subliminally in a INFINITI > ad) > at one point: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Clwy70ECXY > > wish they did this more often From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 14:38:50 2012 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:38:50 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <3223BF41-CF6E-435B-B2A1-9AD63AD6CCA9@hotmail.com> References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> <3223BF41-CF6E-435B-B2A1-9AD63AD6CCA9@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <6ABC9F4C870C4818A53F22381A8908DE@ranteer.local> we have a 2003 350z, and my goal is to get a 370 convertible. I will totally disagree with you. that 350 is the best sports car I have ever driven. it makes a great sound, it handles like it is on rails, it is comfortable, goes like a bat out of hell, and does all the things a great sports car should do. I havenbt driven a 370 yet, but I bet its even better. I am extreme fond of its personality, and it is not bland in any way shape or form From: Richard Bush Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:38 PM To: Paul Courson Cc: dave n ; Datsun Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary Paul Agreed but, the last time I looked, Nissan was run by a Gaijin! As a Fairlady owner, and one that used to rent the cars in the 60s in Japan, I think Datsun has ruined the Z - it has no personality whatsoever. Richard Bush From jones_barton at msn.com Mon Apr 16 14:41:04 2012 From: jones_barton at msn.com (Jones Barton) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:41:04 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <79ebfece.56681.136bcd37dad.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <79ebfece.56681.136bcd37dad.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: This is a very interesting conversation, for us as roadster owners, 50 years is big, but as stated in a couple of replies, from a corporate perspective we are a very small population. I had read a couple of prior threads where roadster owners had their cars show on some of the Speed Channels programs. If a few calls could be made to the Speed Channels shows maybe the roadster could be properly celebrated in one of their shows. Just saying...... Allen Barton Normandy Park, WA 1969 1600 > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:23:58 -0400 > From: tputland at charter.net > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary > > Oh that was just awesome! Thanks for sharing Alvin!!!! > > tim > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:09 PM, alvin gogineni wrote: > > > Nissan did pay tribute to its roots(almost subliminally in a INFINITI > > ad) > > at one point: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Clwy70ECXY > > > > wish they did this more often > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/jones_barton at msn.com From gordon.e.maness at hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 14:49:38 2012 From: gordon.e.maness at hotmail.com (Gordon Maness) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:49:38 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <79ebfece.56681.136bcd37dad.Webtop.46@charter.net>, Message-ID: If we can get some interest generated it may help the collector value of these nice little Roadsters also. g with a fleet > From: jones_barton at msn.com > To: tputland at charter.net; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:41:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary > > This is a very interesting conversation, for us as roadster owners, 50 years > is big, but as stated in a couple of replies, from a corporate perspective we > are a very small population. I had read a couple of prior threads where > roadster owners had their cars show on some of the Speed Channels programs. If > a few calls could be made to the Speed Channels shows maybe the roadster could > be properly celebrated in one of their shows. Just saying...... > > Allen Barton > Normandy Park, WA > 1969 1600 > > > > > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:23:58 -0400 > > From: tputland at charter.net > > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary > > > > Oh that was just awesome! Thanks for sharing Alvin!!!! > > > > tim > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:09 PM, alvin gogineni wrote: > > > > > Nissan did pay tribute to its roots(almost subliminally in a INFINITI > > > ad) > > > at one point: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Clwy70ECXY > > > > > > wish they did this more often > > ________________________________________ > > > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/jones_barton at msn.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gordon.e.maness at hotmai l.com From chalsted at comcast.net Mon Apr 16 14:52:23 2012 From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <6ABC9F4C870C4818A53F22381A8908DE@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <295402105.1133029.1334609543600.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I guess my two cents is that I can buy a bunch of nice roadsters for the price of a 370Z convertible and I am able to work on them myself...sure I'd take a 370Z convertible if someone wanted to make the payments and I got lifetime free service :-) would still keep a roadster though ;-) Craig From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 15:19:11 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:19:11 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <79ebfece.56681.136bcd37dad.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: Honestly, I like that no one knows what a Datsun roadster is. I love meeting people who ask what it is, or better yet know what it is and say they had one or knew someone who did. I also enjoy the relative low cost of ownership. I can repair it without taking out a second mortgage. I also like that I can take it to the grocery store or the target and not worry about it getting stolen or damaged. Best of all I love that I can just drive it and enjoy it without fear of wrecking it and not affording to fix it. I can see the desire to be more well known, but I like it the way it is. That's why I bought it. It's not a pretentious status symbol, it's a fun little car that is a blast to drive. As far as resale value goes, I don't care cause I am never selling it! Just my thoughts. Dan P.S. cool video, Alvin! Thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 3:54 PM, "Gordon Maness" wrote: > If we can get some interest generated it may help the collector value of these > nice little Roadsters also. g with a flee >> > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co m From alvingogi at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 15:28:51 2012 From: alvingogi at gmail.com (alvin gogineni) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:28:51 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <79ebfece.56681.136bcd37dad.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: I agree with most what everyone feels here...I love that the roadster is relatively affordable and very rare. Good press is always positive not just for values but for motivation/inspiration! Getting Nissan to "recognize" the roadster/heritage for a 50th anniv probably won't do much for them as a company but it would mean so much to all of us owners. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Dan Kroninger wrote: > Honestly, I like that no one knows what a Datsun roadster is. I love > meeting > people who ask what it is, or better yet know what it is and say they had > one > or knew someone who did. > I also enjoy the relative low cost of ownership. I can repair it without > taking out a second mortgage. I also like that I can take it to the > grocery > store or the target and not worry about it getting stolen or damaged. > Best of all I love that I can just drive it and enjoy it without fear of > wrecking it and not affording to fix it. > I can see the desire to be more well known, but I like it the way it is. > That's why I bought it. It's not a pretentious status symbol, it's a fun > little car that is a blast to drive. > As far as resale value goes, I don't care cause I am never selling it! > > Just my thoughts. > Dan > > P.S. cool video, Alvin! Thanks! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 3:54 PM, "Gordon Maness" > wrote: > > > If we can get some interest generated it may help the collector value of > these > > nice little Roadsters also. g with a flee > >> > > > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > m > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/alvingogi at gmail.com From pat at hornesystemstx.com Mon Apr 16 15:58:13 2012 From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:58:13 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan needs to be made aware of what the Roadster did for their History In-Reply-To: References: <1334596451.60744.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F8C95F5.7000606@hornesystemstx.com> OK, now you've done it! I have been ignoring my 67.5 1600 for the last few years, now I will move up the engine overhaul it needs so I will be ready for the get together wherever it is! Peace, Pat Thusly spake Stan, On 4/16/2012 1:10 PM: > I'm a relatively new member of the list who lives in Flagstaff, AZ, > just a stones throw from Williams. If there is anything I can do to > help facilitate the planning or execution of the Multi-State Classic > please contact me. I just looked at the website and yep, I'll be > buying some shirts. BTW, I've been picking Ron Dickson's knowledge > some; he's a great resource. > > Stan Wilkins > > On 4/16/2012 10:22 AM, Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: >> In October the 2nd Annual Multi-State Datsun Classic takes place in >> Williams, AZ >> Last year sponsored by SoCalROC. >> >> The classic is in the planning stages right now but if you keep on eye >> at www.nostalgicdatsun.com as updates are available they will be >> posted there. >> >> The site has some construction going on so be patient > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From ljordan704 at netscape.net Mon Apr 16 16:28:08 2012 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda Jordan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:28:08 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: I think everyone is missing the point. I don't care what execs think because I already know. Therefor it is the public that needs the info and then they will make their desires known. Example, poll question to the public: "Would you consider a Honda 2000 sized Datsun Roadster at a lighter weight with a bit more power that gets 40 MPG and is affordable like a Miata?" In other words a Ford Focus with style. So I'm guessing the answer would be Yes. And what if the new Datsun market in Indonesia etc said Yes? Then they could make it and bring it here. Nissan plays it so safe that they are getting beat by everyone and Hyundai and maybe Kia are next in line to do so. Even if the Roadster did not sell alot it would give the company some style points. They don't sell alot of Ferraris either. Yes the Z is nice but a smaller entry level car is what captures young buyers on a budget. Also the Nissan marketing sucks. Bland and boring. If there is any press at Solvang spread the word. If Nissan was smart they WOULD provide the space for a Datsun meet to help kick off the Datsun brand resurgence and get some press as well. Marketing. Hello. Linda Sent from my iPod On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "dave n" wrote: > please don't flame me; I have a roadster. > > if I were corporate, I would have figured out that 95% of America have no clue what a roadster is. and of the remaining 5%, 2% still think its an mg or at least british. > > I bet at least 40% of the population are familiar with the z car in at least one of its iterations. so if I'm corporate, and I'm totally profit oriented, why would I try to bring publicity on a product that no one knows about, and is no longer made? again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. what's in it for them? > > granted, you could say itbs the precurser, but no one thinks beyond the surface. they don't look alike. how could that be? > > the Z car is still made, so there's motivation to promote it and its history. I'm just sayin. I wish I thought otherwise > > -----Original Message----- From: Paul Courson > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:33 AM > To: BARTERDUDE at aol.com > Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary > > Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according > to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. > > The fellow I spoke this morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, > but he had not heard of anything there, either. > > Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's > not celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the > car in the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, > which formed the basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the > automaker. > > Nice thought Gary, which they had been more receptive. > > ---- > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, wrote: >> Hey Roadster owners - >> >> 2013 is the 50th anniversary of the Fairlady Roadsters production. B > Anyone >> have leads into Nissan in the USA to see if they would put together a >> celebration of the best sports car on the road? >> >> They did something for the Z car's 40th, why not the Roadsters who set the >> bar for the Z's? >> >> Gary Lasater B - Parker CO > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.ne t From jover4x4 at aol.com Mon Apr 16 16:34:45 2012 From: jover4x4 at aol.com (jover4x4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:34:45 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <018201cd1c0c$3302f6f0$9908e4d0$@name> References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> <018201cd1c0c$3302f6f0$9908e4d0$@name> Message-ID: <8cfd5e47-607b-4753-b934-2a551765c86e@blur> John, What was your Dad's name? My dad also worked at corporate (for 26 years). I too was weaned on Datsuns. John Over Www.wycroc.org 67 2000 #335 under resto Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: John Hogan To: 'Datsun' Sent: Mon, Apr 16, 2012 20:06:53 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary I'm a bit of a list stalker here (have a 1967.5 2000 stuck torn down in a storage building because I lost my garage when I had to move). I grew up with Datsun/Nissan all my life (dad worked for Nissan at the Jacksonville port and eventually corporate in LA for a bit 20 years ago) and I will say that I didn't know what a roadster was until I was in my 20s. I knew Z-cars, but the roadster is not that well known. When my dad worked at corporate Nissan, he threw out the idea of bringing the Datsun brand back. He was laughed out then, but 20 years later they are doing it. I think with the relaunch of the Datsun brand, it might make sense to "reacquaint" the public with the Datsun heritage.. and a 50 year anniversary of undoubtedly a really cool car is not a bad time to do it.. John > please don't flame me; I have a roadster. > > if I were corporate, I would have figured out that 95% of America have > no clue what a roadster is. B and of the remaining 5%, 2% still think > its an mg > or at least british. > > I bet at least 40% of the population are familiar with the z car in at least > one of its iterations. B so if I'm corporate, and I'm totally profit > oriented, why would I try to bring publicity on a product that no one > knows about, and is no longer made? B again, I'm just playing devil's > advocate here. B what's in it for them? ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/jover4x4 at aol.com From alvingogi at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 16:35:39 2012 From: alvingogi at gmail.com (alvin gogineni) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:35:39 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It is called the GT-R! It was a risky move but wildly successful. As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the "new" Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster sales. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Linda Jordan wrote: > I think everyone is missing the point. I don't care what execs think > because I > already know. Therefor it is the public that needs the info and then they > will > make their desires known. Example, poll question to the public: "Would you > consider a Honda 2000 sized Datsun Roadster at a lighter weight with a bit > more power that gets 40 MPG and is affordable like a Miata?" In other > words a > Ford Focus with style. > So I'm guessing the answer would be Yes. And what if the new Datsun > market in > Indonesia etc said Yes? Then they could make it and bring it here. Nissan > plays it so safe that they are getting beat by everyone and Hyundai and > maybe > Kia are next in line to do so. > Even if the Roadster did not sell alot it would give the company some style > points. They don't sell alot of Ferraris either. Yes the Z is nice but a > smaller entry level car is what captures young buyers on a budget. > Also the Nissan marketing sucks. Bland and boring. > If there is any press at Solvang spread the word. > If Nissan was smart they WOULD provide the space for a Datsun meet to help > kick off the Datsun brand resurgence and get some press as well. Marketing. > Hello. > > Linda > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "dave n" wrote: > > > please don't flame me; I have a roadster. > > > > if I were corporate, I would have figured out that 95% of America have no > clue what a roadster is. and of the remaining 5%, 2% still think its an > mg or > at least british. > > > > I bet at least 40% of the population are familiar with the z car in at > least > one of its iterations. so if I'm corporate, and I'm totally profit > oriented, > why would I try to bring publicity on a product that no one knows about, > and > is no longer made? again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. what's > in > it for them? > > > > granted, you could say itb s the precurser, but no one thinks beyond the > surface. they don't look alike. how could that be? > > > > the Z car is still made, so there's motivation to promote it and its > history. I'm just sayin. I wish I thought otherwise > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Paul Courson > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:33 AM > > To: BARTERDUDE at aol.com > > Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary > > > > Unfortunately, Nissan USA is not planning anything stateside according > > to a corporate affairs person in Tennessee. > > > > The fellow I spoke this morning said he would check with Nissan Japan, > > but he had not heard of anything there, either. > > > > Chatting a bit, he didn't really have a reason as to why the company's > > not celebrating the 311. He didn't exhibit much knowledge about the > > car in the first place, but noted it "didn't catch on" like the Z, > > which formed the basis for its 40th anniversary promotion by the > > automaker. > > > > Nice thought Gary, which they had been more receptive. > > > > ---- > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > >> Hey Roadster owners - > >> > >> 2013 is the 50th anniversary of the Fairlady Roadsters production. B > > Anyone > >> have leads into Nissan in the USA to see if they would put together a > >> celebration of the best sports car on the road? > >> > >> They did something for the Z car's 40th, why not the Roadsters who set > the > >> bar for the Z's? > >> > >> Gary Lasater B - Parker CO > > ________________________________________ > > > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.ne > t > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/alvingogi at gmail.com From jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com Mon Apr 16 17:23:04 2012 From: jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com (Joe Russo) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:23:04 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <34f0f.6bb69bde.3cbd854f@aol.com> Message-ID: <29DD0BC7-9712-4B05-BE29-5F9F5D658185@rochester.rr.com> The key to Nissan execs honoring the roadster is a marketing company that sells them the idea. The new Nissan models seem to be geared toward the mid20 somethings....I think a low cost, roaster for this market on the 50th anniversary would be a good campaign...maybe even help launch the Datsun marque again? If we could get to their ad men, maybe we stand a chance! :-) Joe Sent from my iPad On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:09 PM, alvin gogineni wrote: > Nissan did pay tribute to its roots(almost subliminally in a INFINITI ad) > at one point: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Clwy70ECXY > > wish they did this more often > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Paul Courson wrote: > >> Hi Dave, you're a realist, and your analysis is probably what governs >> the situation. >> >> But, >> >> One must remember that the Japanese culture is steeped in history, and >> its people are very respectful of the broadest concept of "heritage." >> For this reason alone, a corporation seeking to affirm its roots would >> have reasons beyond an economic equation to showcase a tangible >> example of that longevity. >> >> Numerically, the 311 is in a far stronger position to be seen by the >> public at large than, say, BMW's 507, the Mercedes gullwing, and the >> Ferrari 330 GTS, just to name a few that turn my head, seldom as that >> takes place. >> >> Two of those three automakers have a significant stake in the U.S. >> market, and regularly tout their heritage in television advertising >> showing historic models that are no longer made. >> >> Nissan, struggling to regain what many would consider its former glory >> in the U.S. under the DATSUN banner, could easily cash in on a huge >> opportunity to tie its history to the current American marketplace >> with the cool little sports car we own. >> >> The fact the majority of the U.S. public is unaware of the 311 would >> possibly help, not hurt, the impact of a properly crafted campaign and >> commemoration of 50 years since that car's production began. >> >> Finally, the "garage" series of Nissan ads a few years ago included >> the 311, proud and prominent. Someone simply needs to link a few >> scattered neurons in the corporate mindset, and maybe there could be a >> spark. >> >> Go for it ! >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:08 PM, dave n wrote: >>> please don't flame me; I have a roadster. >>> >>> if I were corporate, I would have figured out that 95% of America have no >>> clue what a roadster is. B and of the remaining 5%, 2% still think its an >> mg >>> or at least british. >>> >>> I bet at least 40% of the population are familiar with the z car in at >> least >>> one of its iterations. B so if I'm corporate, and I'm totally profit >>> oriented, why would I try to bring publicity on a product that no one >> knows >>> about, and is no longer made? B again, I'm just playing devil's advocate >>> here. B what's in it for them? >>> >>> granted, you could say itb s the precurser, but no one thinks beyond the >>> surface. B they don't look alike. B how could that be? >>> >>> the Z car is still made, so there's motivation to promote it and its >>> history. B I'm just sayin. B I wish I thought otherwise >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/alvingogi at gmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/jrusso07 at rochester.rr. com From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Mon Apr 16 17:22:59 2012 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary Message-ID: <328b3.396e31ba.3cbe03d3@aol.com> I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to be running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have a 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with the MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the new sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold and enjoyed. Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1967 SPL311-09144 In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, alvingogi at gmail.com writes: Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It is called the GT-R! It was a risky move but wildly successful. As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the "new" Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster sales. From ljordan704 at netscape.net Mon Apr 16 19:27:26 2012 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda Jordan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:27:26 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <328b3.396e31ba.3cbe03d3@aol.com> References: <328b3.396e31ba.3cbe03d3@aol.com> Message-ID: <0C443A7E-C958-4CD1-90D5-5C6318C47B9B@netscape.net> I know, let's have a petition at Solvang to bring back the Roadster. Then we can say 9 out of 10 people viewing our cars would like to see them come back. :-) Linda Sent from my iPod On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:22 PM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to be running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have a 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. > > Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with the MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the new sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. > > Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold and enjoyed. > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member www.WyCROC.org / www.ZRoad.org > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > L From alvingogi at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 20:33:55 2012 From: alvingogi at gmail.com (alvin gogineni) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:33:55 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <0C443A7E-C958-4CD1-90D5-5C6318C47B9B@netscape.net> References: <328b3.396e31ba.3cbe03d3@aol.com> <0C443A7E-C958-4CD1-90D5-5C6318C47B9B@netscape.net> Message-ID: Linda I will sign your petition...but if Nissan comes up with a roadster that looks like a cross between a JUKE and a 370z it is all your fault! On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Linda Jordan wrote: > I know, let's have a petition at Solvang to bring back the Roadster. Then > we > can say 9 out of 10 people viewing our cars would like to see them come > back. > :-) > > Linda > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:22 PM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > > > I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined > cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could > put > together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to be > running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have > a > 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. > > > > Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. > I > think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with the > MX5. > The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster in > 1963 > got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the new sports > car > on the block Nissan/Datsun. > > > > Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold > and > enjoyed. > > > > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > > founding member www.WyCROC.org / www.ZRoad.org > > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > > 1964 SPL310-01289 > > 1967 SPL311-09144 > > L > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/alvingogi at gmail.com From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 20:50:26 2012 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:50:26 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Drum (Removal/Adjustment) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Adjustment 1/4 Socket drive reversed using a 1/4 wrench or adjustable works fine Removal I thought that there were pre-drilled holes in the drum already Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] 818 448 3181 From ljordan704 at netscape.net Mon Apr 16 21:01:02 2012 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda Jordan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:01:02 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <328b3.396e31ba.3cbe03d3@aol.com> <0C443A7E-C958-4CD1-90D5-5C6318C47B9B@netscape.net> Message-ID: <762E82BA-CD15-4368-8FD6-477472AEE46F@netscape.net> I will offer my services as a consultant. Not to worry-- Linda:-) Sent from my iPod On Apr 16, 2012, at 7:33 PM, alvin gogineni wrote: > Linda I will sign your petition...but if Nissan comes up with a roadster that looks like a cross between a JUKE and a 370z it is all your fault! > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Linda Jordan wrote: > I know, let's have a petition at Solvang to bring back the Roadster. Then we > can say 9 out of 10 people viewing our cars would like to see them come back. > :-) > > Linda > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:22 PM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > > > I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined > cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could put > together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to be > running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have a > 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. > > > > Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. I > think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with the MX5. > The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster in 1963 > got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the new sports car > on the block Nissan/Datsun. > > > > Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold and > enjoyed. > > > > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > > founding member www.WyCROC.org / www.ZRoad.org > > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > > 1964 SPL310-01289 > > 1967 SPL311-09144 > > L > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/alvingogi at gmail.com From ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 21:23:00 2012 From: ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com (Stan Wilkins) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:23:00 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <328b3.396e31ba.3cbe03d3@aol.com> <0C443A7E-C958-4CD1-90D5-5C6318C47B9B@netscape.net> Message-ID: Oh good, someone to blame it on and it's not me! I'm married so I'm used to having stuff blamed on me. Stan On 4/16/2012 7:33 PM, alvin gogineni wrote: > Linda I will sign your petition...but if Nissan comes up with a roadster > that looks like a cross between a JUKE and a 370z it is all your fault! > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Linda Jordanwrote: > >> I know, let's have a petition at Solvang to bring back the Roadster. Then >> we >> can say 9 out of 10 people viewing our cars would like to see them come >> back. >> :-) >> >> Linda >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:22 PM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: >> >>> I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined >> cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could >> put >> together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to be >> running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have >> a >> 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. >>> Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. >> I >> think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with the >> MX5. >> The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster in >> 1963 >> got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the new sports >> car >> on the block Nissan/Datsun. >>> Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold >> and >> enjoyed. >>> >>> Gary Lasater - Parker CO >>> founding member www.WyCROC.org / www.ZRoad.org >>> 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) >>> 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) >>> 1964 SPL310-01289 >>> 1967 SPL311-09144 >>> L >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/alvingogi at gmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com From dooger at wildblue.net Tue Apr 17 04:41:03 2012 From: dooger at wildblue.net (Wes Jones) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:41:03 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: <2c49d469.4ef8d.136bb398cc4.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <2c49d469.4ef8d.136bb398cc4.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: Ya know, it just seems to me taking out all the plugs and spinning the engine over will bring oil pressure up throughout the engine. If the engine was assembled with good lube on the parts then nothing is going to be harmed in the short time before the oil pressure comes up. It's so much simpler. Best, wes -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From tputland at charter.net Tue Apr 17 04:48:18 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Message-ID: <68c7728f.5ee8a.136bfeaceb6.Webtop.46@charter.net> I thought it was best to do both of these practices. tim On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Wes Jones wrote: > Ya know, it just seems to me taking out all the plugs and spinning the > engine over will bring oil pressure up throughout the engine. If the > engine was assembled with good lube on the parts then nothing is going > to be harmed in the short time before the oil pressure comes up. It's > so much simpler. > > Best, wes > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 17 08:47:37 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334674057.33911.YahooMailClassic@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When it comes to the final stages of an engine rebuild -- on a classic engine which is one of an increasingly rare breed -- better safe than sorry. A little extra trouble at a crucial step in the process can yield dividends (or avoid problems) down the road . Gary McCormick San Jose, CA '70 2000 SRL311-13291 --- On Tue, 4/17/12, Wes Jones wrote: From: Wes Jones Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 3:41 AM Ya know, it just seems to me taking out all the plugs and spinning the engine over will bring oil pressure up throughout the engine. If the engine was assembled with good lube on the parts then nothing is going to be harmed in the short time before the oil pressure comes up. It's so much simpler. Best, wes --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From rksmith46 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 08:54:41 2012 From: rksmith46 at hotmail.com (robert k. smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:54:41 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: References: <2c49d469.4ef8d.136bb398cc4.Webtop.46@charter.net>, Message-ID: hi all, i agree with wes. unless the engine was stored for 6 months or more, i havent found it necessary to spin the oil pump. bob smith, 69 srl 311 > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:41:03 -0400 > From: dooger at wildblue.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > > Ya know, it just seems to me taking out all the plugs and spinning the > engine over will bring oil pressure up throughout the engine. If the > engine was assembled with good lube on the parts then nothing is going to > be harmed in the short time before the oil pressure comes up. It's so > much simpler. > > Best, wes > > > -- > From mspahr01 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 09:11:08 2012 From: mspahr01 at earthlink.net (Marty Spahr) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:11:08 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: References: <2c49d469.4ef8d.136bb398cc4.Webtop.46@charter.net>, Message-ID: <000001cd1cac$519bcc90$f4d365b0$@earthlink.net> Guys, Gal's, I believe my electric fuel pump just went out. The previous owner put in a Puralator electric type. Any suggestions on what works best and is most reliable. On another topic, My 67.5 2000 was running good, but recently started hesitating in low speeds. If I get on it, it runs much better. The more I push it the better it goes. In low speeds it seems jumpy???? Any ideas? Thankyou all. Enjoy the reading. Best Regards, Marty Mspahr01 at earthlink.net PH.352-742-0139 Mbl.813-340-9880 -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert k. smith Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:55 AM To: dooger at wildblue.net; roadster list Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer hi all, i agree with wes. unless the engine was stored for 6 months or more, i havent found it necessary to spin the oil pump. bob smith, 69 srl 311 > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:41:03 -0400 > From: dooger at wildblue.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > > Ya know, it just seems to me taking out all the plugs and spinning the > engine over will bring oil pressure up throughout the engine. If the > engine was assembled with good lube on the parts then nothing is going > to be harmed in the short time before the oil pressure comes up. It's > so much simpler. > > Best, wes > > > -- > ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/mspahr01 at earthlink.ne t From mingocast at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 09:16:37 2012 From: mingocast at gmail.com (Domingo Castilleja) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:16:37 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil pump primer Message-ID: As I stated on an earlier email, I am ready to turn the engine on my 1970 datsun 1600, spl311. I have poured oil down the cylinders and have turned the engine manually. I have not been able to find an oil pump primer. I have taken the distributor out. I have the following questions: 1. There is a gear on the spindle of the distributor. Does this mesh with the camshaft or does it turn the oil pressure/RPM gauge. 2. If I turn the oil pump, am I turning the whole engine or just the oil pump? Mingo cast From tputland at charter.net Tue Apr 17 09:30:08 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer Message-ID: <44767a53.638be.136c0ecd53d.Webtop.46@charter.net> Please start your own thread. thank you On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Marty Spahr wrote: > Guys, Gal's, I believe my electric fuel pump just went out. The > previous > owner put in a Puralator electric type. Any suggestions on what works > best > and is most reliable. > On another topic, My 67.5 2000 was running good, but recently started > hesitating in low speeds. If I get on it, it runs much better. The > more I > push it the better it goes. > In low speeds it seems jumpy???? Any ideas? Thankyou all. Enjoy the > reading. > > Best Regards, > Marty > Mspahr01 at earthlink.net > PH.352-742-0139 > Mbl.813-340-9880 > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert > k. > smith > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:55 AM > To: dooger at wildblue.net; roadster list > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > > hi all, i agree with wes. unless the engine was stored for > 6 months or more, i havent found it necessary to spin the oil pump. > bob > smith, 69 srl 311 > > > >> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:41:03 -0400 >> From: dooger at wildblue.net >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer >> >> Ya know, it just seems to me taking out all the plugs and spinning >> the engine over will bring oil pressure up throughout the engine. If >> the engine was assembled with good lube on the parts then nothing is >> going to be harmed in the short time before the oil pressure comes >> up. It's so much simpler. >> >> Best, wes >> >> >> -- > > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/mspahr01 at earthlink.ne > t > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net From pat at hornesystemstx.com Tue Apr 17 09:41:51 2012 From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:41:51 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: <000001cd1cac$519bcc90$f4d365b0$@earthlink.net> References: <2c49d469.4ef8d.136bb398cc4.Webtop.46@charter.net>, <000001cd1cac$519bcc90$f4d365b0$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4F8D8F3F.7090009@hornesystemstx.com> Just be sure to get a fuel pump that is low pressure. As I recall the fuel pressure should be about 3.5 lbs, but you should check the archives. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Marty Spahr, On 4/17/2012 10:11 AM: > Guys, Gal's, I believe my electric fuel pump just went out. The previous > owner put in a Puralator electric type. Any suggestions on what works best > and is most reliable. > On another topic, My 67.5 2000 was running good, but recently started > hesitating in low speeds. If I get on it, it runs much better. The more I > push it the better it goes. > In low speeds it seems jumpy???? Any ideas? > Thankyou all. Enjoy the reading. > > Best Regards, > Marty > > Mspahr01 at earthlink.net > PH.352-742-0139 > Mbl.813-340-9880 > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert k. > smith > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:55 AM > To: dooger at wildblue.net; roadster list > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > > hi all, i agree with wes. unless the engine was stored for > 6 months or more, i havent found it necessary to spin the oil pump. bob > smith, 69 srl 311 > > > >> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:41:03 -0400 >> From: dooger at wildblue.net >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer >> >> Ya know, it just seems to me taking out all the plugs and spinning the >> engine over will bring oil pressure up throughout the engine. If the >> engine was assembled with good lube on the parts then nothing is going >> to be harmed in the short time before the oil pressure comes up. It's >> so much simpler. >> >> Best, wes >> >> >> -- > > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/mspahr01 at earthlink.ne > t > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From pat at hornesystemstx.com Tue Apr 17 09:47:18 2012 From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:47:18 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil pump primer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8D9086.5090007@hornesystemstx.com> You need to turn just the oil pump. This procedure was documented a decade or more ago in the archives. The tool you need is just an over-sized screwdriver bit. You can make one out of a metal rod with some rubber hose over it to keep it sort of centered. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Domingo Castilleja, On 4/17/2012 10:16 AM: > As I stated on an earlier email, I am ready to turn the engine on my 1970 > datsun 1600, spl311. I have poured oil down the cylinders and have turned > the engine manually. I have not been able to find an oil pump primer. I > have taken the distributor out. I have the following questions: > 1. There is a gear on the spindle of the distributor. Does this mesh with > the camshaft or does it turn the oil pressure/RPM gauge. > 2. If I turn the oil pump, am I turning the whole engine or just the oil > pump? > Mingo cast > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From chalsted at comcast.net Tue Apr 17 09:52:38 2012 From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: <4F8D8F3F.7090009@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: <1694796610.1155834.1334677958272.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >any ideas? don't run at slow speeds ;-) Craig From sandhoff at csus.edu Tue Apr 17 10:27:26 2012 From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:27:26 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] low end performance (was: Oil Pump Primer) In-Reply-To: <000001cd1cac$519bcc90$f4d365b0$@earthlink.net> References: Message-ID: <4F8D377E.23418.2032EB@localhost> > On another topic, My 67.5 2000 was running good, but recently started > hesitating in low speeds. If I get on it, it runs much better. The more I > push it the better it goes. > In low speeds it seems jumpy???? Any ideas? Could be lots of things, of course, but assuming you have the stock ignition I'd start out with checking the points (overall condition, gap and dwell, advance), and timing. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 17 11:55:30 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334685330.75063.YahooMailClassic@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No compression means little significant load on crank bearings, but doesn't change the loading on the cam bearings, rockers, etc. Yes, it is good practice to use assembly lube on all of those surfaces, but I guess I'm just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, esp. when it comes to something as crucial as an engine rebuild. ;^) Gary McCormick San Jose, CA '70 2000 SRL311-13291 --- On Tue, 4/17/12, Wes Jones wrote: From: Wes Jones Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer To: "Gary McCormick" Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:39 AM The bottom line is, if an engine has been put together correctly, turning it over with the starter motor with no compression hasn't even a remote chance to harm the internals. The crucial step is to put it together correctly and lube wear surfaces as it goes together. That done, the rest takes care of itself. Of course, what a given person does with their toys is between them and their creator. Best, wes On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:47:37 -0400, Gary McCormick wrote: > When it comes to the final stages of an engine rebuild -- on a classic engine which is one of an increasingly rare breed -- better safe than sorry. A little extra trouble at a crucial step in the process can yield dividends (or avoid problems) down the road . > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > '70 2000 SRL311-13291 > --- On Tue, 4/17/12, Wes Jones wrote: > > From: Wes Jones > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 3:41 AM > > Ya know, it just seems to me taking out all the plugs and spinning the engine over will bring oil pressure up throughout the engine. If the engine was assembled with good lube on the parts then nothing is going to be harmed in the short time before the oil pressure comes up. It's so much simpler. > > Best, wes > > > --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net > > --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From reefpix at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 12:12:18 2012 From: reefpix at gmail.com (James Wiseman) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:12:18 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Hesitating at Low Speeds - for Marty Message-ID: Hi Marty, If I recall, you have a Solex car. If your car is hesitating, it could be because it's running too lean at that throttle position. Most likely cause is gummed up pilot jets. Check them, and check the idle adjust screws - as they could be gummed up too. HTH James Wiseman 69 Solex 311 Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:11:08 -0400 > From: "Marty Spahr" > To: "'robert k. smith'" , > , "'roadster list'" > > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Primer > Message-ID: <000001cd1cac$519bcc90$f4d365b0$@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Guys, Gal's, I believe my electric fuel pump just went out. The previous > owner put in a Puralator electric type. Any suggestions on what works best > and is most reliable. > On another topic, My 67.5 2000 was running good, but recently started > hesitating in low speeds. If I get on it, it runs much better. The more I > push it the better it goes. > In low speeds it seems jumpy???? Any ideas? > Thankyou all. Enjoy the reading. > > Best Regards, > Marty > > Mspahr01 at earthlink.net > PH.352-742-0139 > Mbl.813-340-9880 From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 12:55:29 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:55:29 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Early Datsun email list? Message-ID: Where do I go to sign up for the Datsun list that covers 410s & 411s? Paul Ohio From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Apr 17 14:08:39 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] Early Datsun email list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1384038893.1822028.1334693319708.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> EarlyDatsunClub on YahooGroups: Fairly quiet list. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort" To: "Roadster Stuff" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:55:29 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Early Datsun email list? Where do I go to sign up for the Datsun list that covers 410s & 411s? Paul Ohio ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ppeters914 at comcast.net From aultgc at att.net Tue Apr 17 20:43:04 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:43:04 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil pump primer References: Message-ID: Domingo, I didn't see anyone else answer your questions, so I'll take a shot. 1. The gear on the distributor shaft drives the tachometer. 2. When you spin the oil pump, you are turning just the pump. You couldn't turn the engine via the oil pump drive -- gear ratios are all against you. It's why you must remove the intermediate shaft, which has the gear which engages the camhaft in the 1600, jackshaft in the 2000. The discussions on this subject recently noted the difficulty one can have realigning the intermediate shaft with the oil pump once you're done priming the engine. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domingo Castilleja" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:16 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Oil pump primer > As I stated on an earlier email, I am ready to turn the engine on my 1970 > datsun 1600, spl311. I have poured oil down the cylinders and have turned > the engine manually. I have not been able to find an oil pump primer. I > have taken the distributor out. I have the following questions: > 1. There is a gear on the spindle of the distributor. Does this mesh with > the camshaft or does it turn the oil pressure/RPM gauge. > 2. If I turn the oil pump, am I turning the whole engine or just the oil > pump? > Mingo cast > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Wed Apr 18 20:46:28 2012 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary Message-ID: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get orders and send into production. Gary Lasater In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to look into the production if there is any interest from the group. Richard Bush On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to be running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have a 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with the MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the new sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold and enjoyed. Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1967 SPL311-09144 In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It is called the GT-R! It was a risky move but wildly successful. As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the "new" Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster sales. ________________________________________ _datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net_ (mailto:datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net) Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com = From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Wed Apr 18 20:56:17 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> Message-ID: I would be interested! No art skills though. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:51 PM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any > artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get orders and > send into production. > > Gary Lasater > > > > In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: > > How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the > front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to look > into the production if there is any interest from the group. > > > > > > > Richard Bush > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ > (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: > > > I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined > cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could > > put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to > be > running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have > a > 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. > > Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. > I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with > the > MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster > in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the > new > sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. > > Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold and > > enjoyed. > > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ > (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > > > > > In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: > > Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It is > called the GT-R! > It was a risky move but wildly successful. > As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the "new" > Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster > sales. > ________________________________________ > > _datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net_ (mailto:datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net) > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > = > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co m From aultgc at att.net Wed Apr 18 21:01:17 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> Message-ID: What he said. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary > That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any > artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get > orders and > send into production. > > Gary Lasater > > > > In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: > > How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the > front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to > look > into the production if there is any interest from the group. > > > > > > > Richard Bush > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ > (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: > > > I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined > cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we > could > > put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to > be > running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I > have > a > 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. > > Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. > I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with > the > MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the > roadster > in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the > new > sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. > > Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold > and > > enjoyed. > > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ > (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > > > > > In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: > > Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It > is > called the GT-R! > It was a risky move but wildly successful. > As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the > "new" > Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster > sales. > ________________________________________ > > _datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net_ (mailto:datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net) > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > = > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From graemes at internode.on.net Wed Apr 18 21:13:10 2012 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme Suckling) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:43:10 +0930 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> Message-ID: <4F8F82C6.9090306@internode.on.net> A badge is a good idea! I'm no artist [although some might say I'm a BS artist!] but count me in as definite to purchase! I recently bought an enameled Griffen badge from India of all places. Perhaps the shop would make a badge to design? http://stores.ebay.com.au/ANTCOMPASS?_trksid=p4340.l2563 I see that they have available a Porsche %0 year badge which although a reproduction, must have been available to them to copy. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PORSCHE-356-911-550-CLUB-ITALIA-50-YEARS-JUBILEE-BADGE-MG-TRIUMPH-PORSCHE-FERRAR-/300668350713?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&hash=item46013af0f9 zippy67roadster on the 311s web site has made badges before, he might be a good contact for a design. http://311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5982&t=1 Regards, Graeme Suckling http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza Adelaide South Australia. On 19/04/2012 12:16 PM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any > artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get orders and > send into production. > > Gary Lasater > > > > In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: > > How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the > front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to look > into the production if there is any interest from the group. > > > > > > > Richard Bush > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ > (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: > > > I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined > cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could > > put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to > be > running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have > a > 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. > > Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. > I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with > the > MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster > in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the > new > sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. > > Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold and > > enjoyed. > > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ > (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > > > > > In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: > > Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It is > called the GT-R! > It was a risky move but wildly successful. > As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the "new" > Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster > sales. > ________________________________________ > > _datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net_ (mailto:datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net) > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > = > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/graemes at internode.on.net From pat at hornesystemstx.com Thu Apr 19 08:17:08 2012 From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:17:08 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> Message-ID: <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> I second the grill badge. Sign me up for one. Peace, Pat Thusly spake BARTERDUDE at aol.com, On 4/18/2012 9:46 PM: > That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any > artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get orders and > send into production. > > Gary Lasater > > > > In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: > > How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the > front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to look > into the production if there is any interest from the group. > > > > > > > Richard Bush > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ > (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: > > > I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined > cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we could > > put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to > be > running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I have > a > 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. > > Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. > I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with > the > MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the roadster > in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the > new > sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. > > Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold and > > enjoyed. > > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ > (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > > > > > In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: > > Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It is > called the GT-R! > It was a risky move but wildly successful. > As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the "new" > Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster > sales. > ________________________________________ > > _datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net_ (mailto:datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net) > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > = > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From svedise at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 08:23:35 2012 From: svedise at hotmail.com (Jim Svedise) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:23:35 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: The grill badge sounds great. Sign me up for one. Jim I second the grill badge. Sign me up for one. Peace, Pat Thusly spake BARTERDUDE at aol.com, On 4/18/2012 9:46 PM: > That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any > artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get > orders and > send into production. > > Gary Lasater > > > > In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: > > How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the > front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to > look > into the production if there is any interest from the group. > > > > > > > Richard Bush > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ > (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: > > > I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined > cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we > could > > put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to > be > running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I > have > a > 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. > > Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. > I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with > the > MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the > roadster > in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the > new > sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. > > Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold > and > > enjoyed. > > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ > (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / > _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > > > > > In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: > > Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It > is > called the GT-R! > It was a risky move but wildly successful. > As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the > "new" > Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster > sales. From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 08:28:57 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:28:57 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: Might start with these folks. http://www.qualitylapelpins.com/custom_grill_badges.php They offer free quotes and looks like they have done lots of club badges. Keep the cost under $25 and I'm in for one or two. Paul Ohio On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > I second the grill badge. Sign me up for one. > > Peace, > Pat > > > Thusly spake BARTERDUDE at aol.com, On 4/18/2012 9:46 PM: > >> That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any >> artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get >> orders and >> send into production. >> >> Gary Lasater >> >> >> >> In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >> rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: >> >> How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the >> front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to >> look >> into the production if there is any interest from the group. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard Bush >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ >> (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: >> >> >> I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined >> cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we >> could >> >> put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to >> be >> running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I >> have >> a >> 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. >> >> Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. >> I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with >> the >> MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the >> roadster >> in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the >> new >> sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. >> >> Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold >> and >> >> enjoyed. >> >> >> >> Gary Lasater - Parker CO >> founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ >> (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / >> _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) >> 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) >> 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) >> 1964 SPL310-01289 >> 1967 SPL311-09144 >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >> _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: >> >> Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It >> is >> called the GT-R! >> It was a risky move but wildly successful. >> As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the >> "new" >> Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster >> sales. >> ______________________________**__________ >> >> _datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net_ (mailto:datsun-roadsters@** >> autox.team.net ) >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** >> rabush2000 at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> = >> ______________________________**__________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/datsun-roadsters/pat@**hornesystemstx.com >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems > (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 > Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 > www.hornesystemstx.com > -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- > ______________________________**__________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** > paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com From RWM at RWMann.com Thu Apr 19 08:41:48 2012 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: <4F90242C.9030402@RWMann.com> Someone on the list did 1600 and 2000 grill badges a few years back. I've got one; suppose I could flank it with a 50th... On 4/19/2012 10:28 AM, Paul Kort wrote: > Might start with these folks. > http://www.qualitylapelpins.com/custom_grill_badges.php > > They offer free quotes and looks like they have done lots of club > badges. Keep the cost under $25 and I'm in for one or two. > > Paul > Ohio > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > >> I second the grill badge. Sign me up for one. >> >> Peace, >> Pat >> >> >> Thusly spake BARTERDUDE at aol.com, On 4/18/2012 9:46 PM: >> >>> That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any >>> artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get >>> orders and >>> send into production. >>> >>> Gary Lasater >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>> rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the >>> front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to >>> look >>> into the production if there is any interest from the group. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard Bush >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ >>> (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: >>> >>> >>> I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined >>> cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we >>> could >>> >>> put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to >>> be >>> running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I >>> have >>> a >>> 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. >>> >>> Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. >>> I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with >>> the >>> MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the >>> roadster >>> in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the >>> new >>> sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. >>> >>> Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold >>> and >>> >>> enjoyed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Gary Lasater - Parker CO >>> founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ >>> (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / >>> _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) >>> 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) >>> 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) >>> 1964 SPL310-01289 >>> 1967 SPL311-09144 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>> _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: >>> >>> Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It >>> is >>> called the GT-R! >>> It was a risky move but wildly successful. >>> As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the >>> "new" >>> Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster >>> sales. From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 08:52:20 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge Message-ID: Found one at 311s.org http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 Two more photos here; http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale/ Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible sources. Paul Ohio From ljordan704 at netscape.net Thu Apr 19 08:52:38 2012 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (Linda Jordan) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:38 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <4F90242C.9030402@RWMann.com> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> <4F90242C.9030402@RWMann.com> Message-ID: <0FC053B0-7A36-4695-853A-988702CDDD9F@netscape.net> I thought someone said Jeff Torres, Solvang organizer, did some grill badges. Cost being low will increase numbers sold Linda Sent from my iPod On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:41 AM, RWM wrote: > Someone on the list did 1600 and 2000 grill badges a few years back. > > I've got one; suppose I could flank it with a 50th... > > > > On 4/19/2012 10:28 AM, Paul Kort wrote: >> Might start with these folks. >> http://www.qualitylapelpins.com/custom_grill_badges.php >> >> They offer free quotes and looks like they have done lots of club >> badges. Keep the cost under $25 and I'm in for one or two. >> >> Paul >> Ohio >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Pat Horne wrote: >> >>> I second the grill badge. Sign me up for one. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Thusly spake BARTERDUDE at aol.com, On 4/18/2012 9:46 PM: >>> >>>> That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any >>>> artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get >>>> orders and >>>> send into production. >>>> >>>> Gary Lasater >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>>> rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the >>>> front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to >>>> look >>>> into the production if there is any interest from the group. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard Bush >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ >>>> (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined >>>> cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we >>>> could >>>> >>>> put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to >>>> be >>>> running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I >>>> have >>>> a >>>> 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. >>>> >>>> Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. >>>> I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with >>>> the >>>> MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the >>>> roadster >>>> in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY the >>>> new >>>> sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. >>>> >>>> Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold >>>> and >>>> >>>> enjoyed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Lasater - Parker CO >>>> founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ >>>> (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / >>>> _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) >>>> 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) >>>> 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) >>>> 1964 SPL310-01289 >>>> 1967 SPL311-09144 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>>> _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: >>>> >>>> Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". It >>>> is >>>> called the GT-R! >>>> It was a risky move but wildly successful. >>>> As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the >>>> "new" >>>> Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 roadster >>>> sales. > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ljordan704 at netscape.ne t From pat at hornesystemstx.com Thu Apr 19 08:57:19 2012 From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:57:19 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <4F90242C.9030402@RWMann.com> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> <4F90242C.9030402@RWMann.com> Message-ID: <4F9027CF.1000804@hornesystemstx.com> I don't recall his name, but there was a guy in San Francisco who did stickers. Was it him? Stickerman comes to mind, but barely. I'm sure it is in the archives. Peace, Pat Thusly spake RWM, On 4/19/2012 9:41 AM: > Someone on the list did 1600 and 2000 grill badges a few years back. > > I've got one; suppose I could flank it with a 50th... > > > > On 4/19/2012 10:28 AM, Paul Kort wrote: >> Might start with these folks. >> http://www.qualitylapelpins.com/custom_grill_badges.php >> >> They offer free quotes and looks like they have done lots of club >> badges. Keep the cost under $25 and I'm in for one or two. >> >> Paul >> Ohio >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Pat Horne >> wrote: >> >>> I second the grill badge. Sign me up for one. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Thusly spake BARTERDUDE at aol.com, On 4/18/2012 9:46 PM: >>> >>>> That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any >>>> artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get >>>> orders and >>>> send into production. >>>> >>>> Gary Lasater >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>>> rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on >>>> the >>>> front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm >>>> willing to >>>> look >>>> into the production if there is any interest from the group. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard Bush >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ >>>> (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the >>>> sidelined >>>> cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we >>>> could >>>> >>>> put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three >>>> soon to >>>> be >>>> running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I >>>> have >>>> a >>>> 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. >>>> >>>> Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that >>>> can roar. >>>> I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good >>>> job with >>>> the >>>> MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the >>>> roadster >>>> in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the >>>> FAIRLADY the >>>> new >>>> sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. >>>> >>>> Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought >>>> sold >>>> and >>>> >>>> enjoyed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Lasater - Parker CO >>>> founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ >>>> (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / >>>> _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) >>>> 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) >>>> 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) >>>> 1964 SPL310-01289 >>>> 1967 SPL311-09144 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>>> _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: >>>> >>>> Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it >>>> back". It >>>> is >>>> called the GT-R! >>>> It was a risky move but wildly successful. >>>> As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the >>>> "new" >>>> Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 >>>> roadster >>>> sales. > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From pat at hornesystemstx.com Thu Apr 19 09:09:00 2012 From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F902A8C.4030604@hornesystemstx.com> I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? Peace, Pat Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: > Found one at 311s.org > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 > > Two more photos here; > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 > > Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale/ > > Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible > sources. > > Paul > Ohio > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 09:10:07 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:10:07 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <0FC053B0-7A36-4695-853A-988702CDDD9F@netscape.net> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> <4F90242C.9030402@RWMann.com> <0FC053B0-7A36-4695-853A-988702CDDD9F@netscape.net> Message-ID: If keeping the cost down prevails, there are lots of places out there that make magnetic badges. With the right printer, I think you can print off something at home. SEROC used to hand out home made dash plaques that looked great. I think Brad made then? Or a vinyl badge that would fit in the wing window? OROC handed out plenty of them. Mark Dent had a machine but I think he sold it? Paul Ohio From svedise at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 09:23:25 2012 From: svedise at hotmail.com (Jim Svedise) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:23:25 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <0FC053B0-7A36-4695-853A-988702CDDD9F@netscape.net> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com><4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com><4F90242C.9030402@RWMann.com> <0FC053B0-7A36-4695-853A-988702CDDD9F@netscape.net> Message-ID: Yes Jeff Torres does sell and I think make grill badges. Jim I thought someone said Jeff Torres, Solvang organizer, did some grill badges. Cost being low will increase numbers sold Linda Sent from my iPod On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:41 AM, RWM wrote: > Someone on the list did 1600 and 2000 grill badges a few years back. > > I've got one; suppose I could flank it with a 50th... > > > > On 4/19/2012 10:28 AM, Paul Kort wrote: >> Might start with these folks. >> http://www.qualitylapelpins.com/custom_grill_badges.php >> >> They offer free quotes and looks like they have done lots of club >> badges. Keep the cost under $25 and I'm in for one or two. >> >> Paul >> Ohio >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Pat Horne wrote: >> >>> I second the grill badge. Sign me up for one. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Thusly spake BARTERDUDE at aol.com, On 4/18/2012 9:46 PM: >>> >>>> That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any >>>> artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get >>>> orders and >>>> send into production. >>>> >>>> Gary Lasater >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>>> rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the >>>> front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to >>>> look >>>> into the production if there is any interest from the group. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard Bush >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ >>>> (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the sidelined >>>> cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we >>>> could >>>> >>>> put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon to >>>> be >>>> running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I >>>> have >>>> a >>>> 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. >>>> >>>> Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can roar. >>>> I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job with >>>> the >>>> MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the >>>> roadster >>>> in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY >>>> the >>>> new >>>> sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. >>>> >>>> Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold >>>> and >>>> >>>> enjoyed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". >>>> It >>>> is >>>> called the GT-R! >>>> It was a risky move but wildly successful. >>>> As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the >>>> "new" >>>> Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 >>>> roadster >>>> sales. > ________________________________________ From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 09:24:19 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:24:19 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: <4F902A8C.4030604@hornesystemstx.com> References: <4F902A8C.4030604@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: It could be as simple as: 50 years "Insert roadster photo here" 1962-2012 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "Pat Horne" wrote: > I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? > > Peace, > Pat > > Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: >> Found one at 311s.org >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 >> >> Two more photos here; >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 >> >> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >> http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale / >> >> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >> sources. >> >> Paul >> Ohio >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com >> >> >> >> > > -- > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems > (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 > Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 > www.hornesystemstx.com > -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co m From rabush2000 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 09:38:48 2012 From: rabush2000 at hotmail.com (Richard Bush) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: <4F902A8C.4030604@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: I agree - simple works but, should it be Roadster or Fairlady? Richard Bush 512 574 8081 On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Dan Kroninger wrote: > It could be as simple as: > > 50 years > "Insert roadster photo here" > 1962-2012 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "Pat Horne" wrote: > >> I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks > great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. > Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? >> >> Peace, >> Pat >> >> Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: >>> Found one at 311s.org >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 >>> >>> Two more photos here; >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 >>> >>> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >>> > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale > / >>> >>> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >>> sources. >>> >>> Paul >>> Ohio >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems >> (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 >> Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 >> www.hornesystemstx.com >> -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > m > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 19 09:59:21 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334851161.12451.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do you mean 1500 vs 1600/2000? Low windshield vs high windshield? The nomenclature doesn't carry a visual impact, because the name "Fairlady" was only used in Japan, and cars of the same year are visually identical save for badging and steering wheel placement. At the scale we're talking about here, the visual differences btwn the early and late cars is minor, though maybe low vs high windshield would make a difference. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA '70 2000 SRL311-13291 --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Richard Bush wrote: From: Richard Bush Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge To: "Dan Kroninger" Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 8:38 AM I agree - simple works but, should it be Roadster or Fairlady? Richard Bush 512 574 8081 On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Dan Kroninger wrote: > It could be as simple as: > > 50 years > "Insert roadster photo here" > 1962-2012 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "Pat Horne" wrote: > >> I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks > great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. > Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? >> >> Peace, >> Pat >> >> Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: >>> Found one at 311s.org >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 >>> >>> Two more photos here; >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 >>> >>> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >>> > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale > / >>> >>> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >>> sources. >>> >>> Paul >>> Ohio >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems >> (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 >> Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 >> www.hornesystemstx.com >> -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > m > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 10:00:42 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:00:42 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <4F9027CF.1000804@hornesystemstx.com> References: <22b80.f7e9865.3cc0d684@aol.com> <4F901E64.5000009@hornesystemstx.com> <4F90242C.9030402@RWMann.com> <4F9027CF.1000804@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: "Stickerman" is (was?) Mark Dent. On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > I don't recall his name, but there was a guy in San Francisco who did > stickers. Was it him? Stickerman comes to mind, but barely. I'm sure it is > in the archives. > > Peace, > Pat > > > > Thusly spake RWM, On 4/19/2012 9:41 AM: > > Someone on the list did 1600 and 2000 grill badges a few years back. >> >> I've got one; suppose I could flank it with a 50th... >> >> >> >> On 4/19/2012 10:28 AM, Paul Kort wrote: >> >>> Might start with these folks. >>> http://www.qualitylapelpins.**com/custom_grill_badges.php >>> >>> They offer free quotes and looks like they have done lots of club >>> badges. Keep the cost under $25 and I'm in for one or two. >>> >>> Paul >>> Ohio >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Pat Horne >>> wrote: >>> >>> I second the grill badge. Sign me up for one. >>>> >>>> Peace, >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> Thusly spake BARTERDUDE at aol.com, On 4/18/2012 9:46 PM: >>>> >>>> That sounds like a GREAT IDEA. Grill mounted would look great. Any >>>>> artists in the group? Let's share some ideas and see if we can get >>>>> orders and >>>>> send into production. >>>>> >>>>> Gary Lasater >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 4/17/2012 10:22:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>>>> rabush2000 at gmail.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> How about we do a 50-year badge - something that can be mounted on the >>>>> front of the car. I would be willing to contribute and, I'm willing to >>>>> look >>>>> into the production if there is any interest from the group. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard Bush >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:22 PM, _BARTERDUDE at aol.com_ >>>>> (mailto:BARTERDUDE at aol.com) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I love the stir of passion and the desire to bring some of the >>>>> sidelined >>>>> cars back alive and be ready for the event. Won't it be great if we >>>>> could >>>>> >>>>> put together 500 - 1000 roadster all in one place. I have three soon >>>>> to >>>>> be >>>>> running and ready for the call and since we have another year plus, I >>>>> have >>>>> a >>>>> 4th one (the 1964) I was looking to get running. >>>>> >>>>> Let's see what we can do to show the world the little car that can >>>>> roar. >>>>> I think the retro potential would be great. Miata does a good job >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> MX5. The only problem is the FAIRLADY moniker that was given the >>>>> roadster >>>>> in 1963 got stolen by the Z's in Japan. Time to make the FAIRLADY >>>>> the >>>>> new >>>>> sports car on the block Nissan/Datsun. >>>>> >>>>> Gary Lasater - roadster owner since 1969 with over 3 dozen bought sold >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> enjoyed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gary Lasater - Parker CO >>>>> founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (_http://www.wycroc.org/_ >>>>> (http://www.wycroc.org/) ) / >>>>> _www.ZRoad.org_ (_http://www.zroad.org/_ (http://www.zroad.org/) ) >>>>> 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) >>>>> 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) >>>>> 1964 SPL310-01289 >>>>> 1967 SPL311-09144 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 4/16/2012 4:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>>>> _alvingogi at gmail.com_ (mailto:alvingogi at gmail.com) writes: >>>>> >>>>> Nissan did take an iconic car from their past and "bring it back". >>>>> It >>>>> is >>>>> called the GT-R! >>>>> It was a risky move but wildly successful. >>>>> As cool as it would be to have a Datsun Roadster equivalent to the >>>>> "new" >>>>> Beetle or 'Stang/'Maro, Nissan probably wouldn't cut into Z34 >>>>> roadster >>>>> sales. >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > -- > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems > (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 > Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 > www.hornesystemstx.com > -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Apr 19 10:04:32 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <4F9027CF.1000804@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: <2042092479.1914552.1334851472761.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Stickerman is/was Mark Dent on the Right Coast. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Horne" To: "RWM" Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:57:19 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 50th anniversary I don't recall his name, but there was a guy in San Francisco who did stickers. Was it him? Stickerman comes to mind, but barely. I'm sure it is in the archives. Peace, Pat From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 11:27:47 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:27:47 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: <1334851161.12451.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1334851161.12451.YahooMailClassic@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The model in the image would not matter to me. I would say a low windshield would be better, but the scale is so small, any nice roadster would be awesome. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:59 AM, "Gary McCormick" wrote: > Do you mean 1500 vs 1600/2000? Low windshield vs high windshield? The nomenclature doesn't carry a visual impact, because the name "Fairlady" was only used in Japan, and cars of the same year are visually identical save for badging and steering wheel placement. At the scale we're talking about here, the visual differences btwn the early and late cars is minor, though maybe low vs high windshield would make a difference. > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > '70 2000 SRL311-13291 > > --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Richard Bush wrote: > > From: Richard Bush > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > To: "Dan Kroninger" > Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" > Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 8:38 AM > > I agree - simple works but, should it be Roadster or Fairlady? > > Richard Bush > 512 574 8081 > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Dan Kroninger wrote: > > > It could be as simple as: > > > > 50 years > > "Insert roadster photo here" > > 1962-2012 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "Pat Horne" wrote: > > > >> I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks > > great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. > > Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? > >> > >> Peace, > >> Pat > >> > >> Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: > >>> Found one at 311s.org > >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 > >>> > >>> Two more photos here; > >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 > >>> > >>> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made > >>> > > > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale > > / > >>> > >>> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible > >>> sources. > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> Ohio > >>> ________________________________________ > >>> > >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems > >> (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 > >> Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 > >> www.hornesystemstx.com > >> -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > > m > > ________________________________________ > > > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 19 11:36:50 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334857010.95796.YahooMailClassic@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Though I own a high-windshield model ('70 2000), I agree that the low-windshield 311 is the most representative. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Dan Kroninger wrote: From: Dan Kroninger Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge To: "Gary McCormick" Cc: "Richard Bush" , "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 10:27 AM The model in the image would not matter to me. I would say a low windshield would be better, but the scale is so small, any nice roadster would be awesome. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:59 AM, "Gary McCormick" wrote: Do you mean 1500 vs 1600/2000? Low windshield vs high windshield? The nomenclature doesn't carry a visual impact, because the name "Fairlady" was only used in Japan, and cars of the same year are visually identical save for badging and steering wheel placement. At the scale we're talking about here, the visual differences btwn the early and late cars is minor, though maybe low vs high windshield would make a difference. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA '70 2000 SRL311-13291 --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Richard Bush wrote: From: Richard Bush Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge To: "Dan Kroninger" Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 8:38 AM I agree - simple works but, should it be Roadster or Fairlady? Richard Bush 512 574 8081 On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Dan Kroninger wrote: > It could be as simple as: > > 50 years > "Insert roadster photo here" > 1962-2012 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "Pat Horne" wrote: > >> I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks > great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. > Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? >> >> Peace, >> Pat >> >> Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: >>> Found one at 311s.org >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 >>> >>> Two more photos here; >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 >>> >>> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >>> > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale > / >>> >>> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >>> sources. >>> >>> Paul >>> Ohio >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems >> (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 >> Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 >> www.hornesystemstx.com >> -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > m > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From msedlack at neo.rr.com Thu Apr 19 14:06:53 2012 From: msedlack at neo.rr.com (Mark Sedlack) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:06:53 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge References: Message-ID: Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art to the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist Mark Sedlack Clinton, OH 66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ 77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort" To: "Roadster Stuff" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > Found one at 311s.org > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 > > Two more photos here; > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 > > Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale/ > > Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible > sources. > > Paul > Ohio > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/msedlack at neo.rr.com From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 14:12:54 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:12:54 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love it! My only suggestion would be to round out the wording on top and bottom. That is assuming the badge would be round? Just so the words are arched to match the badge. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2012, at 3:09 PM, "Mark Sedlack" wrote: > Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? > > http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 > > This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. > > I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art to the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) > > www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg > > Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist > > Mark Sedlack > Clinton, OH > 66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ > 77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort" > To: "Roadster Stuff" > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:52 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > > >> Found one at 311s.org >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 >> >> Two more photos here; >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 >> >> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >> http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale / >> >> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >> sources. >> >> Paul >> Ohio >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/msedlack at neo.rr.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co m From rabush2000 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 14:21:04 2012 From: rabush2000 at hotmail.com (Richard Bush) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:21:04 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Or perhaps, no car image - simply words ie the brand Roadster and/or 311. Richard Bush 512 574 8081 On Apr 19, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Mark Sedlack wrote: > Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? > > http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 > > This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. > > I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art to the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) > > www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg > > Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist > > Mark Sedlack > Clinton, OH > 66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ > 77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort" > To: "Roadster Stuff" > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:52 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > > >> Found one at 311s.org >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 >> >> Two more photos here; >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 >> >> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >> http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale / >> >> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >> sources. >> >> Paul >> Ohio >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/msedlack at neo.rr.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Apr 19 14:26:00 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1260091466.1930297.1334867160427.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> He's on Ratsun.net I'd prefer a front rather than rear quarter view. More like: http://www.datsun.org/roadster/resources/modelguide/images/67srl311_front.gif Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sedlack" To: "Paul Kort" , "Roadster Stuff" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:06:53 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art to the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist Mark Sedlack Clinton, OH 66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ 77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort" To: "Roadster Stuff" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > Found one at 311s.org > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 > > Two more photos here; > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 > > Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale/ > > Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible > sources. > > Paul > Ohio > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/msedlack at neo.rr.com ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ppeters914 at comcast.net From paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 15:10:00 2012 From: paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com (Paul Kort) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:10:00 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks great to me! While it is a 68/69 roadster, the rear quarter view eliminates the 1600/2000 debate. Paul Ohio On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Mark Sedlack wrote: > Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? > > http://edz280zx.deviantart.**com/art/Datsun-Roadster-**138099814 > > This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. > Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. > > I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art to > the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) > > www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg > > Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist > > Mark Sedlack > Clinton, OH > 66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/ > 77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort" > > To: "Roadster Stuff" > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:52 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > > > Found one at 311s.org >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/**viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 >> >> Two more photos here; >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/**viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 >> >> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >> http://community.ratsun.net/**topic/41938-ratsun-grill-** >> badges-and-pins-for-sale/ >> >> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >> sources. >> >> Paul >> Ohio >> ______________________________**__________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** >> msedlack at neo.rr.com From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 15:34:53 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:34:53 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Having "50 Years" and just the 2012 anniversary year seems less constrained than including the 1962. Seeing the time span (both years) almost looks like an epitaph. Paul On Apr 19, 2012 5:12 PM, "Paul Kort" wrote: > Looks great to me! While it is a 68/69 roadster, the rear quarter view > eliminates the 1600/2000 debate. > > Paul > Ohio > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Mark Sedlack wrote: > > > Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? > > > > http://edz280zx.deviantart.**com/art/Datsun-Roadster-**138099814< > http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814> > > > > This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. > > Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. > > > > I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art > to > > the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) > > > > www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg< > http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg> > > > > Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist > > > > Mark Sedlack > > Clinton, OH > > 66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/< > http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/> > > 77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/< > http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort" < > paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com > > > > > To: "Roadster Stuff" datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:52 AM > > Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > > > > > > Found one at 311s.org > >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/**viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600< > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600> > >> > >> Two more photos here; > >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/**viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269< > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269> > >> > >> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made > >> http://community.ratsun.net/**topic/41938-ratsun-grill-** > >> badges-and-pins-for-sale/< > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale/ > > > >> > >> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible > >> sources. > >> > >> Paul > >> Ohio > >> ______________________________**__________ > >> > >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html< > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** > >> msedlack at neo.rr.com< > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/msedlack at neo.rr.com > > > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 17:09:31 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:09:31 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is a good point. 1962 is a bit redundant with "50 years" Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2012, at 4:44 PM, "Paul Courson" wrote: > Having "50 Years" and just the 2012 anniversary year seems less constrained > than including the 1962. > > Seeing the time span (both years) almost looks like an epitaph. > > Paul > On Apr 19, 2012 5:12 PM, "Paul Kort" wrote: > >> Looks great to me! While it is a 68/69 roadster, the rear quarter view >> eliminates the 1600/2000 debate. >> >> Paul >> Ohio >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Mark Sedlack wrote: >> >>> Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? >>> >>> http://edz280zx.deviantart.**com/art/Datsun-Roadster-**138099814< >> http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814> >>> >>> This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. >>> Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. >>> >>> I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art >> to >>> the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) >>> >>> www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg< >> http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg> >>> >>> Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist >>> >>> Mark Sedlack >>> Clinton, OH >>> 66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/< >> http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/> >>> 77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/< >> http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort" < >> paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com >>>> >>> To: "Roadster Stuff" > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> >>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:52 AM >>> Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge >>> >>> >>> Found one at 311s.org >>>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/**viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600< >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600> >>>> >>>> Two more photos here; >>>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/**viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269< >> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269> >>>> >>>> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >>>> http://community.ratsun.net/**topic/41938-ratsun-grill-** >>>> badges-and-pins-for-sale/< >> http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale / >>> >>>> >>>> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >>>> sources. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> Ohio >>>> ______________________________**__________ >>>> >>>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html< >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** >>>> msedlack at neo.rr.com< >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/msedlack at neo.rr.com >>> >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co m From graemes at internode.on.net Thu Apr 19 18:15:50 2012 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme Suckling) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:45:50 +0930 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F90AAB6.1040103@internode.on.net> Let us not forget that the SP[L]310 is included here! I suggest that no specific model be etched in stone since we all have our preferences and particular models. A generic badge honoring the Fairlady/Roadster range of models would be fair to everyone, don't you think Regards, Graeme Suckling http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza Adelaide South Australia. On 20/04/2012 8:39 AM, Dan Kroninger wrote: > That is a good point. 1962 is a bit redundant with "50 years" > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 4:44 PM, "Paul Courson" wrote: > >> Having "50 Years" and just the 2012 anniversary year seems less constrained >> than including the 1962. >> >> Seeing the time span (both years) almost looks like an epitaph. >> >> Paul >> On Apr 19, 2012 5:12 PM, "Paul Kort" wrote: >> >>> Looks great to me! While it is a 68/69 roadster, the rear quarter view >>> eliminates the 1600/2000 debate. >>> >>> Paul >>> Ohio >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Mark Sedlack wrote: >>> >>>> Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? >>>> >>>> http://edz280zx.deviantart.**com/art/Datsun-Roadster-**138099814< >>> http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814> >>>> This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. >>>> Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. >>>> >>>> I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art >>> to >>>> the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) >>>> >>>> www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg< >>> http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg> >>>> Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist >>>> >>>> Mark Sedlack >>>> Clinton, OH >>>> 66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/< >>> http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/> >>>> 77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/**chevypowereddatsuns/< >>> http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kort"< >>> paulsdatsunstuff at gmail.com >>>> To: "Roadster Stuff">> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:52 AM >>>> Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge >>>> >>>> >>>> Found one at 311s.org >>>>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/**viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600< >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600> >>>>> Two more photos here; >>>>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/**viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269< >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269> >>>>> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >>>>> http://community.ratsun.net/**topic/41938-ratsun-grill-** >>>>> badges-and-pins-for-sale/< > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale > / >>>>> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >>>>> sources. >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> Ohio >>>>> ______________________________**__________ >>>>> >>>>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html< >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html> >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** >>>>> msedlack at neo.rr.com< >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/msedlack at neo.rr.com >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > m > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/graemes at internode.on.net From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 19 18:40:36 2012 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (dave n) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:40:36 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19A00BF47E094CE2A09F2EEFC5F72263@ranteer.local> my preference would be to keep the circle and have the car stick out on both sides -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sedlack Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:06 PM To: Paul Kort ; Roadster Stuff Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. Would be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art to the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist Mark Sedlack From rabush2000 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 19:39:36 2012 From: rabush2000 at hotmail.com (Richard Bush) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:39:36 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: <19A00BF47E094CE2A09F2EEFC5F72263@ranteer.local> References: <19A00BF47E094CE2A09F2EEFC5F72263@ranteer.local> Message-ID: How about losing the blue and changing the color of the car - the red circle in the background suggests the Japanese flag. I like it. Richard Bush 512 574 8081 On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:40 PM, dave n wrote: > my preference would be to keep the circle and have the car stick out on both sides > > -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sedlack > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:06 PM > To: Paul Kort ; Roadster Stuff > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > > Is anyone on the list edz280zx? Or does anyone know who he or she is? > > http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 > > This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. Would > be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. > > I did a quicky version of modifying it (all credit on the original art to > the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) > > www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg > > Comment? Suggestions for changes? Hopefully can contact the artist > > Mark Sedlack ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com From vulforge at aol.com Thu Apr 19 21:33:24 2012 From: vulforge at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?dnVsZm9yZ2VAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:33:24 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] =?utf-8?q?50th?= Message-ID: <201204200333.q3K3XQHZ018893@imr-ma05.mx.aol.com> Not to muddy the waters further, and I love the rear quarter view, but does it make more sense to use "Datsun Sports"? After all, that was what Nissan called them, and it shows the continuation to present models. For the same reason I would lean toward "since 1962" or similar. I agree bracketing the dates sounds too final. As far as cost, for $25 certainly, but at $39 I would have to think about it. Russell Criswell 67 1600 Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! From stephen.holst at randrglobal.com Fri Apr 20 07:10:34 2012 From: stephen.holst at randrglobal.com (Stephen Holst) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th In-Reply-To: <201204200333.q3K3XQHZ018893@imr-ma05.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: On 4/19/12 11:33 PM, "vulforge at aol.com" wrote: > Not to muddy the waters further, and I love the rear quarter view, but does it > make more sense to use "Datsun Sports"? After all, that was what Nissan > called them, and it shows the continuation to present models. For the same > reason I would lean toward "since 1962" or similar. I agree bracketing the > dates sounds too final. As far as cost, for $25 certainly, but at $39 I would > have to think about it. > > Russell Criswell > 67 1600 > > > Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/stephen.holst at randrglob > al.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From stephen.holst at randrglobal.com Fri Apr 20 07:20:19 2012 From: stephen.holst at randrglobal.com (Stephen Holst) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 50th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi I have a modest example of a 50th logo but do not have any means to distribute, can I send to any one? On 4/20/12 9:10 AM, "Stephen Holst" wrote: > On 4/19/12 11:33 PM, "vulforge at aol.com" wrote: > >> Not to muddy the waters further, and I love the rear quarter view, but does >> it >> make more sense to use "Datsun Sports"? After all, that was what Nissan >> called them, and it shows the continuation to present models. For the same >> reason I would lean toward "since 1962" or similar. I agree bracketing the >> dates sounds too final. As far as cost, for $25 certainly, but at $39 I >> would >> have to think about it. >> >> Russell Criswell >> 67 1600 >> >> >> Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/stephen.holst at randrglo>> b >> al.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of > image.png] > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/stephen.holst at randrglob > al.com From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Fri Apr 20 08:16:13 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Seat belt adjuster Message-ID: Hey all, I am doing some work on my seats and have run into an issue with the seat belts. I am unable to adjust the belt through the receiver on the drivers side. I am trying to lengthen the belt, but I can't go either way. Looser or tighter. Any thoughts on how to free the belt up a bit? Would I oil something? I don't really want oily belts. It appears to be the same as the passenger side, no damage. The passenger side is fully adjustable. Any thoughts? Thanks Dan Kroninger 68 1600 From jones_barton at msn.com Fri Apr 20 12:26:24 2012 From: jones_barton at msn.com (Jones Barton) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Seat belt adjuster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan, I hade the same issue a year ago. I took the seat belts out of the car and soaked them in warm soapy water for an hour and then repeated a couple of times. (Try a grease cutting dish washing liquid) Did the trick, it is amazing how much dirt is in the webbing. I also got some liquid black dye from the local store and did a round with black dye. Came out very nice. I would cation that it will make the white labels on the seatbelts a gray tint if you still have the labels on the belts. I also did a spot spray of WD 40 on the roller inside the metal clasp just to keep that lubed up. Allen Barton > From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:16:13 -0500 > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Seat belt adjuster > > Hey all, > > I am doing some work on my seats and have run into an issue with the seat > belts. I am unable to adjust the belt through the receiver on the drivers > side. I am trying to lengthen the belt, but I can't go either way. Looser or > tighter. Any thoughts on how to free the belt up a bit? Would I oil > something? I don't really want oily belts. It appears to be the same as the > passenger side, no damage. The passenger side is fully adjustable. Any > thoughts? > > Thanks > Dan Kroninger > 68 1600 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/jones_barton at msn.com From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Fri Apr 20 12:40:20 2012 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:40:20 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] seat belt adjuster Message-ID: <1432A0C924F7ED439A95685850281F660201EE16@XMBC3087.northgrum.com> My first instinct would have been Ivory soap, but it appears the mountain climbing folks prefer Downey! http://www.adventureropegear.com/cart/pages.php?pID=8&CDpath=0 From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Fri Apr 20 16:02:41 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:02:41 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Seat belt adjuster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks you all for your suggestions. I turned the receiver 90 degrees to the belt and force fed the belt through until it moved. There was some definite crust on the belt where the receiver was stuck. I put the belt in a soapy bucket of warm water and let it soak for about an hour. I used an old tooth brush to scrub down both side of the belt, then rinsed and set it out to dry. The color of the water I dumped out was just horrendous! I can't imagine what the rest of the belts will do. I will put some lubricant in the receiver before reinstalling. Thanks again everyone! I love this list group! Dan Kroninger. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:16 AM, "Dan Kroninger" wrote: > Hey all, > > I am doing some work on my seats and have run into an issue with the seat > belts. I am unable to adjust the belt through the receiver on the drivers > side. I am trying to lengthen the belt, but I can't go either way. Looser or > tighter. Any thoughts on how to free the belt up a bit? Would I oil > something? I don't really want oily belts. It appears to be the same as the > passenger side, no damage. The passenger side is fully adjustable. Any > thoughts? > > Thanks > Dan Kroninger > 68 1600 > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co m From d_kroninger at hotmail.com Fri Apr 20 17:35:09 2012 From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:35:09 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Seat belt adjuster References: Message-ID: > Thanks you all for your suggestions. I turned the receiver 90 degrees to the belt and force fed the belt through until it moved. There was some definite crust on the belt where the receiver was stuck. I put the belt in a soapy bucket of warm water and let it soak for about an hour. I used an old tooth brush to scrub down both side of the belt, then rinsed and set it out to dry. The color of the water I dumped out was just horrendous! I can't imagine what the rest of the belts will do. I will put some lubricant in the receiver before reinstalling. Thanks again everyone! I love this list group! > > Dan Kroninger. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:16 AM, "Dan Kroninger" wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I am doing some work on my seats and have run into an issue with the seat >> belts. I am unable to adjust the belt through the receiver on the drivers >> side. I am trying to lengthen the belt, but I can't go either way. Looser or >> tighter. Any thoughts on how to free the belt up a bit? Would I oil >> something? I don't really want oily belts. It appears to be the same as the >> passenger side, no damage. The passenger side is fully adjustable. Any >> thoughts? >> >> Thanks >> Dan Kroninger >> 68 1600 >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co m From brogsme at msn.com Fri Apr 20 21:39:33 2012 From: brogsme at msn.com (BRIAN BROGIE) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 03:39:33 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Seat belt adjuster In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: 1966 datsun fairlady - $1000 (san bernardino) On Craigslist Inland Empire Brian > From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:35:09 -0500 > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Seat belt adjuster > > > Thanks you all for your suggestions. I turned the receiver 90 degrees to > the belt and force fed the belt through until it moved. There was some > definite crust on the belt where the receiver was stuck. I put the belt in a > soapy bucket of warm water and let it soak for about an hour. I used an old > tooth brush to scrub down both side of the belt, then rinsed and set it out to > dry. The color of the water I dumped out was just horrendous! I can't > imagine what the rest of the belts will do. I will put some lubricant in the > receiver before reinstalling. Thanks again everyone! I love this list > group! > > > > Dan Kroninger. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:16 AM, "Dan Kroninger" > wrote: > > > >> Hey all, > >> > >> I am doing some work on my seats and have run into an issue with the seat > >> belts. I am unable to adjust the belt through the receiver on the drivers > >> side. I am trying to lengthen the belt, but I can't go either way. Looser > or > >> tighter. Any thoughts on how to free the belt up a bit? Would I oil > >> something? I don't really want oily belts. It appears to be the same as > the > >> passenger side, no damage. The passenger side is fully adjustable. Any > >> thoughts? > >> > >> Thanks > >> Dan Kroninger > >> 68 1600 > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > m > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/brogsme at msn.com From hrhaslett at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 21:45:19 2012 From: hrhaslett at yahoo.com (Roy Haslett) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Early Left Front Fender Message-ID: <1334979919.28017.YahooMailNeo@web130203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All, I have an early left front fender off my old 67 1600, complete with headlight and parking light assemblies. Fender is straight and no rust. Let me know if anyone is interested/make me an offer. It is in Woodland Hills, CA to pick up. Thanks, Roy From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 06:30:51 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:30:51 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: References: <19A00BF47E094CE2A09F2EEFC5F72263@ranteer.local> Message-ID: OK, I was thinking (scary thought). This 50th Anniversary grill badge is supposed to be displayed on the GRILL. It won't / shouldn't be so big that you could even see an outline of the car. SO get rid of the car outline. A spectator can SEE the car, right ? Bigger graphic artwork on a suitably small badge will have more impact than cluttering it up with a car design. On a roadster website someone has an idea that I like, without the deadhead underpinnings (extraneous). See this link, and what do you think: http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=7081 Initially I was even more attracted to some derivation of an authentic, original badge, again pulling in some strong visual elements that somebody could actually see from 10 feet away or whatever. Like this one, also on the 311s website. It would be easy to rework with a "50th" or "50 YEARS" in there somewhere, perhaps with silver on black background in the lower right. http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5996&mode=view And in case you missed this one, it's got good curb appeal too: http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5982&t=1 Submitted as food for thought ... Paul -/- Annapolis On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Richard Bush wrote: > How about losing the blue and changing the color of the car - the red circle > in the background suggests the Japanese flag. I like it. > > Richard Bush > 512 574 8081 > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:40 PM, dave n wrote: > >> my preference would be to keep the circle and have the car stick out on both > sides >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sedlack >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:06 PM >> To: Paul Kort ; Roadster Stuff >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge >> >> Is anyone on the list edz280zx? B Or does anyone know who he or she is? >> >> http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 >> >> This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. > Would >> be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. >> >> I did a quicky version of modifying it B (all credit on the original art to >> the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) >> >> www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg >> >> Comment? B Suggestions for changes? B Hopefully can contact the artist >> >> Mark Sedlack ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 07:31:16 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:31:16 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] NIssan / what the Roadster did for their History Message-ID: Picking up this discussion about convincing Nissan corporate to recognize the 50th Anniversary of one of their more cherished models, the 311. I wonder if the dealership network might be a back-door way of persuading them for support? Most car dealers struggle to find a hook to get people into the showroom so the sales people at least have a chance of peddling a new car. Why not some weekend "roadster" events, advertised and promoted by the dealership, using cars among us volunteered to be placed on display? The hook is the 50th anniversary of the 311, and any number of approaches could be used at the individual, local dealership level as part of a campaign. The 311 is their bait to sell new cars. We get visibility. This actually has been proven in the past. I approached a Nissan dealership on Maryland's eastern shore, and asked whether they might want a novel display of a 311 as a conversation starter for people visiting the showroom. They went for it !!! I used the fall-winter-spring time frame as perhaps dreary for driving, but hey, look at this sharp little convertible. Adept, expert, highly-finessed sales person then moves the customer toward whatever shiny new model might be the subject of their visit. Right now we've lost some of the seasonal timing, and people want to drive their cars, not house them in a showroom for the winter. SO, why not a weekend event with yours and a few other local roadsters, in conjunction with a dealer campaign at the local level ? There's potential there. And if enough instances take place across the country, we could tally up the success, present it to Nissan corporate, and get them to reconsider ... Paul -/- Annapolis From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net Sat Apr 21 10:00:51 2012 From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:00:51 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge Message-ID: <20626525.1335024052256.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The skull does not represent something I want on my roadsters. Dewey -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Courson >Sent: Apr 21, 2012 6:30 AM >To: Richard Bush >Cc: Roadster Stuff >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > >OK, I was thinking (scary thought). >This 50th Anniversary grill badge is supposed to be displayed on the GRILL. >It won't / shouldn't be so big that you could even see an outline of the car. >SO get rid of the car outline. A spectator can SEE the car, right ? >Bigger graphic artwork on a suitably small badge will have more impact >than cluttering it up with a car design. > >On a roadster website someone has an idea that I like, without the >deadhead underpinnings (extraneous). > >See this link, and what do you think: > >http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=7081 > >Initially I was even more attracted to some derivation of an >authentic, original badge, again pulling in some strong visual >elements that somebody could actually see from 10 feet away or >whatever. > >Like this one, also on the 311s website. >It would be easy to rework with a "50th" or "50 YEARS" in there >somewhere, perhaps with silver on black background in the lower right. > >http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5996&mode=view > >And in case you missed this one, it's got good curb appeal too: > >http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5982&t=1 > >Submitted as food for thought ... > >Paul -/- Annapolis > > > >On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Richard Bush wrote: >> How about losing the blue and changing the color of the car - the red >circle >> in the background suggests the Japanese flag. I like it. >> >> Richard Bush >> 512 574 8081 >> >> On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:40 PM, dave n wrote: >> >>> my preference would be to keep the circle and have the car stick out on >both >> sides >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sedlack >>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:06 PM >>> To: Paul Kort ; Roadster Stuff >>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge >>> >>> Is anyone on the list edz280zx? B Or does anyone know who he or she is? >>> >>> http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 >>> >>> This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. >> Would >>> be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. >>> >>> I did a quicky version of modifying it B (all credit on the original art >to >>> the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) >>> >>> www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg >>> >>> Comment? B Suggestions for changes? B Hopefully can contact the artist >>> >>> Mark Sedlack ________________________________________ >>> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com >________________________________________ > >datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/hahlbohmd at earthlink.net From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 21 10:23:59 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:23:59 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: <20626525.1335024052256.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20626525.1335024052256.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4F92DF1F.1070509@sbcglobal.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX1KaAdj: Permission denied From aultgc at att.net Sat Apr 21 18:48:08 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:48:08 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge References: <19A00BF47E094CE2A09F2EEFC5F72263@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <317EAD9FB7614B658549A122BCBAEC56@gaxp1> Paul, Yes. Center the white circle, etc., in a larger circle of red and blue, and it would make a great badge. Simple and clear. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Courson" To: "Richard Bush" Cc: "Roadster Stuff" Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > OK, I was thinking (scary thought). > This 50th Anniversary grill badge is supposed to be displayed on the > GRILL. > It won't / shouldn't be so big that you could even see an outline of the > car. > SO get rid of the car outline. A spectator can SEE the car, right ? > Bigger graphic artwork on a suitably small badge will have more impact > than cluttering it up with a car design. > > On a roadster website someone has an idea that I like, without the > deadhead underpinnings (extraneous). > > See this link, and what do you think: > > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=7081 > > Initially I was even more attracted to some derivation of an > authentic, original badge, again pulling in some strong visual > elements that somebody could actually see from 10 feet away or > whatever. > > Like this one, also on the 311s website. > It would be easy to rework with a "50th" or "50 YEARS" in there > somewhere, perhaps with silver on black background in the lower right. > > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5996&mode=view > > And in case you missed this one, it's got good curb appeal too: > > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5982&t=1 > > Submitted as food for thought ... > > Paul -/- Annapolis > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Richard Bush > wrote: >> How about losing the blue and changing the color of the car - the red > circle >> in the background suggests the Japanese flag. I like it. >> >> Richard Bush >> 512 574 8081 >> >> On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:40 PM, dave n wrote: >> >>> my preference would be to keep the circle and have the car stick out on > both >> sides >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sedlack >>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:06 PM >>> To: Paul Kort ; Roadster Stuff >>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge >>> >>> Is anyone on the list edz280zx? B Or does anyone know who he or she is? >>> >>> http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 >>> >>> This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. >> Would >>> be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. >>> >>> I did a quicky version of modifying it B (all credit on the original art > to >>> the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) >>> >>> www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg >>> >>> Comment? B Suggestions for changes? B Hopefully can contact the artist >>> >>> Mark Sedlack ________________________________________ >>> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From rabush2000 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 21 18:52:05 2012 From: rabush2000 at hotmail.com (Richard Bush) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:52:05 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Center Console In-Reply-To: <317EAD9FB7614B658549A122BCBAEC56@gaxp1> References: <19A00BF47E094CE2A09F2EEFC5F72263@ranteer.local> <317EAD9FB7614B658549A122BCBAEC56@gaxp1> Message-ID: Greetings all, Question concerning the lock on the center console between the two seats: does the hook, attached to the key housing face the front of the car or the back? Mine came apart and I have been unable to reconnect it. Thanks and regards, Richard Bush From aultgc at att.net Sat Apr 21 18:57:44 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:57:44 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Center Console References: <19A00BF47E094CE2A09F2EEFC5F72263@ranteer.local> <317EAD9FB7614B658549A122BCBAEC56@gaxp1> Message-ID: Richard, Low-windshield? Front. Want a photo? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Bush To: Gary and Cindy Ault Cc: Paul Courson ; Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:52 PM Subject: Center Console Greetings all, Question concerning the lock on the center console between the two seats: does the hook, attached to the key housing face the front of the car or the back? Mine came apart and I have been unable to reconnect it. Thanks and regards, Richard Bush From gordon.e.maness at hotmail.com Sat Apr 21 20:39:34 2012 From: gordon.e.maness at hotmail.com (Gordon Maness) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:39:34 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: <20626525.1335024052256.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20626525.1335024052256.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Agreed! g with a fleet > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:00:51 -0600 > From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net > To: cour.jpeg at gmail.com; rabush2000 at hotmail.com > CC: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > > The skull does not represent something I want on my roadsters. Dewey > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Paul Courson > >Sent: Apr 21, 2012 6:30 AM > >To: Richard Bush > >Cc: Roadster Stuff > >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > > > >OK, I was thinking (scary thought). > >This 50th Anniversary grill badge is supposed to be displayed on the GRILL. > >It won't / shouldn't be so big that you could even see an outline of the car. > >SO get rid of the car outline. A spectator can SEE the car, right ? > >Bigger graphic artwork on a suitably small badge will have more impact > >than cluttering it up with a car design. > > > >On a roadster website someone has an idea that I like, without the > >deadhead underpinnings (extraneous). > > > >See this link, and what do you think: > > > >http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=7081 > > > >Initially I was even more attracted to some derivation of an > >authentic, original badge, again pulling in some strong visual > >elements that somebody could actually see from 10 feet away or > >whatever. > > > >Like this one, also on the 311s website. > >It would be easy to rework with a "50th" or "50 YEARS" in there > >somewhere, perhaps with silver on black background in the lower right. > > > >http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5996&mode=view > > > >And in case you missed this one, it's got good curb appeal too: > > > >http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5982&t=1 > > > >Submitted as food for thought ... > > > >Paul -/- Annapolis > > > > > > > >On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Richard Bush wrote: > >> How about losing the blue and changing the color of the car - the red > >circle > >> in the background suggests the Japanese flag. I like it. > >> > >> Richard Bush > >> 512 574 8081 > >> > >> On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:40 PM, dave n wrote: > >> > >>> my preference would be to keep the circle and have the car stick out on > >both > >> sides > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sedlack > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:06 PM > >>> To: Paul Kort ; Roadster Stuff > >>> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > >>> > >>> Is anyone on the list edz280zx? B Or does anyone know who he or she is? > >>> > >>> http://edz280zx.deviantart.com/art/Datsun-Roadster-138099814 > >>> > >>> This graphic would lend itself nicely to being modified into a badge. > >> Would > >>> be nice to get permission to use it for a badge. > >>> > >>> I did a quicky version of modifying it B (all credit on the original art > >to > >>> the artist edz280zx - only publishing the url to this list.) > >>> > >>> www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/badge1.jpg > >>> > >>> Comment? B Suggestions for changes? B Hopefully can contact the artist > >>> > >>> Mark Sedlack ________________________________________ > >>> > >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >> > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.co m > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/cour.jpeg at gmail.com > >________________________________________ > > > >datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/hahlbohmd at earthlink.ne t > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gordon.e.maness at hotmai l.com From fergus06 at socal.rr.com Sun Apr 22 11:38:09 2012 From: fergus06 at socal.rr.com (Fergus O'Farrell) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Chance to help one of our own Message-ID: <8C2BD09BEBA2459892C85F21853AD1ED@CarmelPC> I get the digest version, so this may have already come out, but from Steve on 311s.org: Not sure how many folks know or have met Victor Laury but he is a longtime Datsun enthusiast and an over all great guy. You can read Ron's poster for the rest of the information. Steve 311s.org link: http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=16098 direct link to the info, in case any don't have access to the 311s site.: http://higenki.com/victor/victor%20poster%20LARGE.pdf Victor showed us all the example of the always giving, always helping, always welcoming generosity that sets "the Roadster crowd" apart. I hope to carry on even 1/10th of the self-less hospitality he showed us all. His Z car also just finished an EBay listing with no takers, so will be relisted again I am guessing. While the cars have had an idle period, they were always top-notch. The joy on his face when he told us he had "scored an OEM ashtray cover for the 521 truck" was priceless. Besides being an A1 mechanic (chronicled for all of us the changing the timing chain on his U-20 while the engine was still in the car) , Victor also dove into "a mad polisher", and his cars exhibit countless hours spent. Great guy, if ever anyone exemplified "the roadster spirit", it is Victor. Fergus O 69 2000, Los Alamitos, CA From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Sun Apr 22 12:08:12 2012 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge Message-ID: <57da6.bca4fcb.3cc5a30c@aol.com> 50 years is 1963 - 2013, there was not production of the Fairlady Roadster until 1963, Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1967 SPL311-09144 In a message dated 4/19/2012 9:20:26 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, pat at hornesystemstx.com writes: I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? Peace, Pat Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: > Found one at 311s.org > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 > > Two more photos here; > http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 > > Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale/ > > Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible > sources. > > Paul > Ohio > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/barterdude at aol.com From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Sun Apr 22 12:10:29 2012 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge Message-ID: <57e8c.389c82e5.3cc5a395@aol.com> Gary - you are wrong. FAIRLADY was produced and used in the US until they lost the trademark name war with the Fairlady bus company. Check out _www.wycroc.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org) WHAT IS IT and you'll see the FAIRLADY badge on my 1963, Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) / _www.ZRoad.org_ (http://www.zroad.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1967 SPL311-09144 In a message dated 4/19/2012 10:08:04 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gkmcc at sbcglobal.net writes: Do you mean 1500 vs 1600/2000? Low windshield vs high windshield? The nomenclature doesn't carry a visual impact, because the name "Fairlady" was only used in Japan, and cars of the same year are visually identical save for badging and steering wheel placement. At the scale we're talking about here, the visual differences btwn the early and late cars is minor, though maybe low vs high windshield would make a difference. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA '70 2000 SRL311-13291 --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Richard Bush wrote: From: Richard Bush Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge To: "Dan Kroninger" Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 8:38 AM I agree - simple works but, should it be Roadster or Fairlady? Richard Bush 512 574 8081 On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Dan Kroninger wrote: > It could be as simple as: > > 50 years > "Insert roadster photo here" > 1962-2012 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "Pat Horne" wrote: > >> I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks > great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. > Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? >> >> Peace, >> Pat >> >> Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: >>> Found one at 311s.org >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 >>> >>> Two more photos here; >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 >>> >>> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made >>> > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sal e > / >>> >>> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible >>> sources. >>> >>> Paul >>> Ohio >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.co m >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems >> (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 >> Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 >> www.hornesystemstx.com >> -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- >> ________________________________________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.c o > m > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.co m ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/barterdude at aol.com From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 22 13:49:16 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:49:16 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge In-Reply-To: <57e8c.389c82e5.3cc5a395@aol.com> References: <57e8c.389c82e5.3cc5a395@aol.com> Message-ID: <51D608B6-E3DD-4131-8ADF-3978F032C28D@sbcglobal.net> Sorry - didn't realize that the "Fairlady" name had been used on US market cars. (I must say, though, that when correcting another person's factual error, starting the message with "You are wrong" is a bit on the rude side. Reminds me that I once blocked your messages b and that I should reinstate that filterb&). Sent from my iPod On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:10 AM, BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: > Gary - you are wrong. FAIRLADY was produced and used in the US until they lost the trademark name war with the Fairlady bus company. > > Check out www.wycroc.org WHAT IS IT and you'll see the FAIRLADY badge on my 1963, > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member www.WyCROC.org / www.ZRoad.org > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1967 SPL311-09144 > > In a message dated 4/19/2012 10:08:04 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gkmcc at sbcglobal.net writes: > Do you mean 1500 vs 1600/2000? Low windshield vs high windshield? The > nomenclature doesn't carry a visual impact, because the name "Fairlady" was > only used in Japan, and cars of the same year are visually identical save for > badging and steering wheel placement. At the scale we're talking about here, > the visual differences btwn the early and late cars is minor, though maybe low > vs high windshield would make a difference. > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > '70 2000 SRL311-13291 > > --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Richard Bush wrote: > > From: Richard Bush > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Vintage Datsun grill badge > To: "Dan Kroninger" > Cc: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" > Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 8:38 AM > > I agree - simple works but, should it be Roadster or Fairlady? > > Richard Bush > 512 574 8081 > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Dan Kroninger wrote: > > > It could be as simple as: > > > > 50 years > > "Insert roadster photo here" > > 1962-2012 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "Pat Horne" wrote: > > > >> I prefer the first one. The griffon has been on the key blanks and looks > > great to me. Now we need to figure a way to get the 50 year info into it. > > Should it be "50 years" or 1962-2012" or what? > >> > >> Peace, > >> Pat > >> > >> Thusly spake Paul Kort, On 4/19/2012 9:52 AM: > >>> Found one at 311s.org > >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14600 > >>> > >>> Two more photos here; > >>> http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14269 > >>> > >>> Rastun sells one for $39. I wonder where they got them made > >>> > > > http://community.ratsun.net/topic/41938-ratsun-grill-badges-and-pins-for-sale > > / > >>> > >>> Just throwing these out there for possible design help or possible > >>> sources. > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> Ohio > >>> ________________________________________ > >>> > >>> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/pat at hornesystemstx.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems > >> (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 > >> Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 > >> www.hornesystemstx.com > >> -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/d_kroninger at hotmail.co > > m > > ________________________________________ > > > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/rabush2000 at hotmail.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/barterdude at aol.com From wattaj at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 17:09:31 2012 From: wattaj at yahoo.com (wattaj) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Left Rear Brake Locking Up Message-ID: <1335222571.3605.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Since spring occured this past weekend in Oregon, I got the roadster out for a couple spirited drives. I noticed the left rear brake locking up under moderate to extreme braking. I am looking for some "easy" suggestions to try before taking it to a mechanic. My first thought is to back of the brake adjustment nut on that hub one click. Any thoughts? Cheers, Alan Tualatin, OR 67.5ish From sandhoff at csus.edu Mon Apr 23 18:17:19 2012 From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:17:19 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Left Rear Brake Locking Up In-Reply-To: <1335222571.3605.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F958E9F.15581.1666EEE2@localhost> > ...I noticed the left rear brake locking up under moderate to extreme > braking... I'd make sure the right rear is properly adjusted, but I'm leaning towards contamination on the left rear brake shoes - possibly a leaking slave cylinder back there? -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 19:47:57 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:47:57 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Left Rear Brake Locking Up In-Reply-To: <4F958E9F.15581.1666EEE2@localhost> References: <1335222571.3605.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F958E9F.15581.1666EEE2@localhost> Message-ID: Check your parking brake linkage. It grabs both shoes but there's a split where one could hang up and the other release fine. On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM, John F Sandhoff wrote: >> ...I noticed the left rear brake locking up under moderate to extreme >> braking... > > I'd make sure the right rear is properly adjusted, but I'm leaning > towards contamination on the left rear brake shoes - possibly a leaking > slave cylinder back there? > > -- John > B B John F Sandhoff B sandhoff at csus.edu B Sacramento, CA > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/courjpeg at gmail.com From wattaj at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 22:23:30 2012 From: wattaj at yahoo.com (wattaj) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Left Rear Brake Locking Up In-Reply-To: <1335222571.3605.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1335222571.3605.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335241410.89393.YahooMailNeo@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for all the tips. So far I removed the drum, vacumed all the brake dust, scotch-brited [sp] the drum surface, and used some brake cleaner. Re-assembled and it appears to be better. I will give a good testing tomorrow. Cheers, Alan ________________________________ From: wattaj To: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:09 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Left Rear Brake Locking Up Since spring occured this past weekend in Oregon, I got the roadster out for a couple spirited drives. I noticed the left rear brake locking up under moderate to extreme braking. I am looking for some "easy" suggestions to try before taking it to a mechanic. My first thought is to back of the brake adjustment nut on that hub one click. Any thoughts? Cheers, Alan Tualatin, OR 67.5ish ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/wattaj at yahoo.com From graemes at internode.on.net Mon Apr 23 22:57:04 2012 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme Suckling) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:27:04 +0930 Subject: [Roadsters] Left Rear Brake Locking Up In-Reply-To: <1335241410.89393.YahooMailNeo@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1335222571.3605.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335241410.89393.YahooMailNeo@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F9632A0.3060104@internode.on.net> I would suggest you do the same "spring clean" on both rear drums. Check that there is /_only_/ dust in them and no wet area which would indicate a leaky slave cylinder. Make sure the adjusters are well lubricated, then re-assemble and adjust as per the FSM Regards, Graeme Suckling http://tinyurl.com/6n5aza Adelaide South Australia. On 24/04/2012 1:53 PM, wattaj wrote: > Thanks everyone for all the tips. So far I removed the drum, vacumed all the > brake dust, scotch-brited [sp] the drum surface, and used some brake cleaner. > Re-assembled and it appears to be better. I will give a good testing > tomorrow. > > Cheers, > Alan > > > ________________________________ > From: wattaj > > To: "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:09 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Left Rear Brake Locking Up > > Since spring occured this > past weekend in Oregon, I got the roadster out for a > couple spirited drives. > I noticed the left rear brake locking up under > moderate to extreme braking. I > am looking for some "easy" suggestions to try > before taking it to a mechanic. > My first thought is to back of the brake > adjustment nut on that hub one > click. Any thoughts? > > Cheers, > > Alan > Tualatin, OR > 67.5ish > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/wattaj at yahoo.com > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/graemes at internode.on.net From 69_Spl311 at cox.net Wed Apr 25 07:05:30 2012 From: 69_Spl311 at cox.net (Tony) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] =?iso-8859-1?q?Datsun_Roadster_Brake_Upgrade_-_Volvo_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Calipers?= Message-ID: Most everything went well. I did encounter a problem (small leak) using the manifold provided by breck1969 at yahoo.com. It appears that the caliper port surface is not machined right. One port is slightly higher than the other, therefore the copper washers don't seal. Has anyone encountered this problem and how did you get around it. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 11:51:46 2012 From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun Roadster Brake Upgrade - Volvo Calipers Message-ID: <1335376306.41650.androidMobile@web181008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi I did encounter that problem. I had a friend with access to a machine shop plane flat that surface. No more leaks. S 675MIZU From mingocast at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 12:08:04 2012 From: mingocast at gmail.com (Domingo Castilleja) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:08:04 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Starting car Message-ID: I want to start my 1970 datsun 1600. I have primed the oil pump but I have disconnect the fuel line. How do I start the car without using the fuel tank. Domingo From tputland at charter.net Thu Apr 26 12:44:49 2012 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Starting car Message-ID: <1c6c565c.dd19d.136eff85038.Webtop.47@charter.net> From James's reply to you inquiry on the 311s forum: "That's easy. Firstly you'll need an electric fuel pump - it will make this SO much easier. Get a 1 Gallon gas can and some fuel line. Rig up the electric fuel pump hot wire to + on the coil and black ground wire to the car frame. Assemble everything OUTSIDE in a well ventilated area. Hook up the fuel lines through the pump and directly to the carbs - you'll want a pump that is low pressure if you're using SU's. When you hook it up and start the pump it should fill up the float bowl on the carbs and NOT overflow. If you have float or float valve problem it will come out of the overflow tube on the car. Once your float bowls are full, the car should be ready to crank and start. And it should run fine like that long enough to warm it up and tune it. Good luck, James" tim On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Domingo Castilleja wrote: > I want to start my 1970 datsun 1600. I have primed the oil pump but I > have > disconnect the fuel line. How do I start the car without using the > fuel > tank. > Domingo > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net From aultgc at att.net Thu Apr 26 14:47:25 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Starting car In-Reply-To: <1c6c565c.dd19d.136eff85038.Webtop.47@charter.net> References: <1c6c565c.dd19d.136eff85038.Webtop.47@charter.net> Message-ID: <1335473245.37629.YahooMailRC@web180214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I think the fuel pressure for SUs should be 2.5 to 3.5 psi, but the actual information should be on 311s.org, as well. But, I have to ask Domingo: Why do you want to start the car without using the fuel tank? Gary ________________________________ From: Tim To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, April 26, 2012 1:50:24 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Starting car >From James's reply to you inquiry on the 311s forum: "That's easy. Firstly you'll need an electric fuel pump - it will make this SO much easier. Get a 1 Gallon gas can and some fuel line. Rig up the electric fuel pump hot wire to + on the coil and black ground wire to the car frame. Assemble everything OUTSIDE in a well ventilated area. Hook up the fuel lines through the pump and directly to the carbs - you'll want a pump that is low pressure if you're using SU's. When you hook it up and start the pump it should fill up the float bowl on the carbs and NOT overflow. If you have float or float valve problem it will come out of the overflow tube on the car. Once your float bowls are full, the car should be ready to crank and start. And it should run fine like that long enough to warm it up and tune it. Good luck, James" tim On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Domingo Castilleja wrote: > I want to start my 1970 datsun 1600. I have primed the oil pump but I have > disconnect the fuel line. How do I start the car without using the fuel > tank. > Domingo > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tputland at charter.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From futofab at gsinet.net Thu Apr 26 14:57:13 2012 From: futofab at gsinet.net (David Patten) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:57:13 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Starting car In-Reply-To: <1c6c565c.dd19d.136eff85038.Webtop.47@charter.net> References: <1c6c565c.dd19d.136eff85038.Webtop.47@charter.net> Message-ID: Or simpler, get 6 foot of fuel line, Pull the suction line off the fuel pump (the tank side) and connect the new line. Set a gas can on the ground outside the car and put the other end of the fuel line in it. A stock mechanical pump in good condition will pull enough suction to draw fuel out of the gas can. If you want to prime the carbs, put some gas in a pump type oil can and squirt some down the carb throats. This will help kick off the engine while the pump fills the bowls. Or you can just crank it until the pump fills the carb bowls to allow the engine to fire. I won't tell you how many field stored V8's I've started by just dumping gas straight out of the can into the carb, if I was lucky I had a can of ether, which was some what safer. The gas in the oil can trick is a much more controled method. -- Dave Patten, Owner FutoFab, LLC 199 Stark Hwy So Dunbarton, NH 03046 Website - www.FutoFab.com e-mail - dave at futofab.com On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Tim wrote: > From James's reply to you inquiry on the 311s forum: > > > > > "That's easy. Firstly you'll need an electric fuel pump - it will make > this SO much easier. > > Get a 1 Gallon gas can and some fuel line. Rig up the electric fuel pump > hot wire to + on the coil and black ground wire to the car frame. Assemble > everything OUTSIDE in a well ventilated area. Hook up the fuel lines > through the pump and directly to the carbs - you'll want a pump that is low > pressure if you're using SU's. > > When you hook it up and start the pump it should fill up the float bowl on > the carbs and NOT overflow. If you have float or float valve problem it > will come out of the overflow tube on the car. > > Once your float bowls are full, the car should be ready to crank and > start. And it should run fine like that long enough to warm it up and tune > it. > > Good luck, > James" > > > tim > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Domingo Castilleja wrote: > > I want to start my 1970 datsun 1600. I have primed the oil pump but I >> have >> disconnect the fuel line. How do I start the car without using the fuel >> tank. >> Domingo >> ______________________________**__________ >> >> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** >> tputland at charter.net >> > ______________________________**__________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.**net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/datsun-roadsters/** > futofab at gsinet.net > > > -- Dave Patten, Owner FutoFab, LLC 199 Stark Hwy So Dunbarton, NH 03046 Website - www.FutoFab.com e-mail - dave at futofab.com From sandhoff at csus.edu Thu Apr 26 15:27:47 2012 From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:27:47 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Starting car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4F995B63.29280.253ECF02@localhost> > ...How do I start the car without using the fuel tank. I second what David Patten says. Short length of fuel line from the intake side of the fuel pump to a small can of gas. Cranking the car for several seconds to prime the carbs will also give the engine a chance to build oil pressure. Two additional notes: Note 1: > Rig up the electric fuel pump hot wire to + on the coil... Late model Roadsters incorporate a ballast resistor to the coil. Hooking up to the coil will provide only about 6-8 volts to the pump, may overheat and burn out the resistor, and will likely starve the ignition of the power it needs for a good spark. Note 2: Late model Roadsters have a fuel return line that will likely circulate some amount of fuel back to the tank. So while you're pumping gas into the carbs, you may also be pumping some back to the tank :-) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA From cour.jpeg at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 16:51:31 2012 From: cour.jpeg at gmail.com (Paul Courson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:51:31 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Starting car In-Reply-To: <4F995B63.29280.253ECF02@localhost> References: <4F995B63.29280.253ECF02@localhost> Message-ID: Three of us rescued a factory '68 Solex from a backyard in Pennsylvania that had been there quite a while. For some reason, we vowed we were going to DRIVE it out of there. So we took with us a set of good tires/wheels, brake parts, a battery, a can of fresh gasoline, and headed to the seller's home about 100 miles away. We not only got it out of the back yard, but we really did get it running, and we were about a mile from the seller's house when it quit the first time. Changed the filter, all full of sludge. Got a half mile out of the next filter. Hmm. Time for a work-around. Gas tank was so rusted up we had to take our 5 gal "jerry" can, tuck it behind the passenger seat, and run a gas line from the nozzle of the tank through a hole in the floorboard to the fuel pump inlet. Got us all the way home to Maryland. True story. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM, John F Sandhoff wrote: >> ...How do I start the car without using the fuel tank. From keithddowning at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 18:03:22 2012 From: keithddowning at yahoo.com (Keith Downing) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Starting car In-Reply-To: References: <4F995B63.29280.253ECF02@localhost> Message-ID: <1335485002.64061.YahooMailRC@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I was chasing down some gremlins more than a year ago. One of the things I needed to eliminate was fuel tank debris. I ran a fuel line from a clean plastic jug directly into the fuel pump, bypassing the filter alltogether. I cut a tight fitting hole into the screw top lid of the jug, and ran the fuel line to the bottom of the jug. Then set the jug into the engine bay. I gently drove the car around the neighborhood, and still had my problems, ruling out the fuel tank/lines being the source of the problem. (see pic) http://fototime.com/FBA2A64626F846A/orig.jpg Later, I discovered the source of that problem to be a kinked fuel hose from the (new) carburator bowl to the nozzle. (see pic) http://fototime.com/D0862E3BF0809C7/orig.jpg Keith ________________________________ From: Paul Courson To: John F Sandhoff Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, April 26, 2012 3:52:08 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Starting car Three of us rescued a factory '68 Solex from a backyard in Pennsylvania that had been there quite a while. For some reason, we vowed we were going to DRIVE it out of there. So we took with us a set of good tires/wheels, brake parts, a battery, a can of fresh gasoline, and headed to the seller's home about 100 miles away. We not only got it out of the back yard, but we really did get it running, and we were about a mile from the seller's house when it quit the first time. Changed the filter, all full of sludge. Got a half mile out of the next filter. Hmm. Time for a work-around. Gas tank was so rusted up we had to take our 5 gal "jerry" can, tuck it behind the passenger seat, and run a gas line from the nozzle of the tank through a hole in the floorboard to the fuel pump inlet. Got us all the way home to Maryland. True story. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM, John F Sandhoff wrote: >> ...How do I start the car without using the fuel tank. ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/keithddowning at yahoo.co m From reefpix at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 19:26:57 2012 From: reefpix at gmail.com (James Wiseman) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:26:57 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 4, Issue 128 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good points Dave! I have a 12v system and EI dizzy. Also VERY good point about the return line. Don't want gas going to mystery spots where you don't want. After owning a few roadsters, I just don't trust the stock pumps anymore - too many of them have the incorrect armature ala P.O. or have a rotten diaphragm. Until I get a car running I always prefer the electric pump. Reasons to bypass the factory fuel system are that the tank leaks, is full or gunk, or else the fuel lines are plugged w/ rust and debris. Cheers James From datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 27 10:45:57 2012 From: datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca (datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:45:57 -0300 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution Message-ID: <20120427124557.47KPZ.35620.root@tormtz01> It was with dismay that I read the other day of a 'listmember' servicing a rear brake, which included vacuuming the dust. We should never do anything which could allow any brake dust to get into the air. Brake dust may contain asbestos, asbestos is a carcinogen and any exposure is dangerous. If one is going to do any brake service, the first step is to wet the brake dust down with LOW pressure water (a hose on minimum flow) and capture the dirty, contaminated water as a hazardous waste. I would add the dirty water to my waste oil container. Even brake clean on it's own is a danger as it has high pressure which could also make dust fly into the air. I only spray brake clean into a rag and wipe parts clean. We shouldn't do anything that could cause brake dust to go into the air; I wear a mask and gloves, do not eat or smoke while doing brake service, use NOT petroleum greases so as not to contaminate any rubber parts(use silicone/synthetic brake lubricants) Work safe Just my thoughts, this is what I teach my students in my Automotive program at Community College Enjoy the ride Damian Hall 69 SRL solex 88 300ZX 87 XJ6 Pictou NS Canada From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 27 11:01:32 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution In-Reply-To: <20120427124557.47KPZ.35620.root@tormtz01> Message-ID: <1335546092.51234.YahooMailClassic@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Overkill. Thousands of tons of "asbestos-bearing" dust have been released into the environment over the decades during which the material was used in brake pads and clutch discs. If it's so bleeding dangerous, we'd ALL have lung cancerb& Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Fri, 4/27/12, datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca wrote: From: datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 9:45 AM It was with dismay that I read the other day of a 'listmember' servicing a rear brake, which included vacuuming the dust. We should never do anything which could allow any brake dust to get into the air. Brake dust may contain asbestos, asbestos is a carcinogen and any exposure is dangerous. If one is going to do any brake service, the first step is to wet the brake dust down with LOW pressure water (a hose on minimum flow) and capture the dirty, contaminated water as a hazardous waste. I would add the dirty water to my waste oil container. Even brake clean on it's own is a danger as it has high pressure which could also make dust fly into the air. I only spray brake clean into a rag and wipe parts clean. We shouldn't do anything that could cause brake dust to go into the air; I wear a mask and gloves, do not eat or smoke while doing brake service, use NOT petroleum greases so as not to contaminate any rubber parts(use silicone/synthetic brake lubricants) Work safe Just my thoughts, this is what I teach my students in my Automotive program at Community College Enjoy the ride Damian Hall 69 SRL solex 88 300ZX 87 XJ6 PictouB NSB Canada ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net From timbob_fisher at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 11:13:54 2012 From: timbob_fisher at yahoo.com (tim fisher) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution In-Reply-To: <1335546092.51234.YahooMailClassic@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20120427124557.47KPZ.35620.root@tormtz01> <1335546092.51234.YahooMailClassic@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335546834.89993.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Gee, Gary, I agree with Damian. Just because we used to do it that way doesn't mean we have to continue to pollute our world. Relatively little cost to stop the madness of leaving it for future generations. Respectfully, Tim ________________________________ From: Gary McCormick To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution Overkill. Thousands of tons of "asbestos-bearing" dust have been released into the environment over the decades during which the material was used in brake pads and clutch discs. If it's so bleeding dangerous, we'd ALL have lung cancerb& Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Fri, 4/27/12, datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca wrote: From: datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 9:45 AM It was with dismay that I read the other day of a 'listmember' servicing a rear brake, which included vacuuming the dust. We should never do anything which could allow any brake dust to get into the air. Brake dust may contain asbestos, asbestos is a carcinogen and any exposure is dangerous. If one is going to do any brake service, the first step is to wet the brake dust down with LOW pressure water (a hose on minimum flow) and capture the dirty, contaminated water as a hazardous waste. I would add the dirty water to my waste oil container. Even brake clean on it's own is a danger as it has high pressure which could also make dust fly into the air. I only spray brake clean into a rag and wipe parts clean. We shouldn't do anything that could cause brake dust to go into the air; I wear a mask and gloves, do not eat or smoke while doing brake service, use NOT petroleum greases so as not to contaminate any rubber parts(use silicone/synthetic brake lubricants) Work safe Just my thoughts, this is what I teach my students in my Automotive program at Community College Enjoy the ride Damian Hall 69 SRL solex 88 300ZX 87 XJ6 PictouB NSB Canada ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/timbob_fisher at yahoo.co m From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 27 11:20:49 2012 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution In-Reply-To: <1335546834.89993.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335547249.80845.YahooMailClassic@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure, I believe in taking reasonable precautions, but it's not like the stuff glows in the dark and sets off a Geiger counter at 20 paces. Unless your vehicle hasn't been serviced in the last 20 years -- oh, wait... mine hasn't (hangar queen) -- the brake pads/linings and clutch disc don't contain asbestos anyway. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Fri, 4/27/12, tim fisher wrote: From: tim fisher Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution To: "Gary McCormick" , "datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net" , "datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca" Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 10:13 AM Gee, Gary, I agree with Damian. Just because we used to do it that way doesn't mean we have to continue to pollute our world. Relatively little cost to stop the madness of leaving it for future generations. Respectfully,Tim From: Gary McCormick To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution Overkill. Thousands of tons of "asbestos-bearing" dust have been released into the environment over the decades during which the material was used in brake pads and clutch discs. If it's so bleeding dangerous, we'd ALL have lung cancerb& Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Fri, 4/27/12, datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca wrote: From: datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 9:45 AM It was with dismay that I read the other day of a 'listmember' servicing a rear brake, which included vacuuming the dust. We should never do anything which could allow any brake dust to get into the air. Brake dust may contain asbestos, asbestos is a carcinogen and any exposure is dangerous. If one is going to do any brake service, the first step is to wet the brake dust down with LOW pressure water (a hose on minimum flow) and capture the dirty, contaminated water as a hazardous waste. I would add the dirty water to my waste oil container. Even brake clean on it's own is a danger as it has high pressure which could also make dust fly into the air. I only spray brake clean into a rag and wipe parts clean. We shouldn't do anything that could cause brake dust to go into the air; I wear a mask and gloves, do not eat or smoke while doing brake service, use NOT petroleum greases so as not to contaminate any rubber parts(use silicone/synthetic brake lubricants) Work safe Just my thoughts, this is what I teach my students in my Automotive program at Community College Enjoy the ride Damian Hall 69 SRL solex 88 300ZX 87 XJ6 PictouB NSB Canada ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/timbob_fisher at yahoo.co m From escarcega at cox.net Fri Apr 27 12:39:08 2012 From: escarcega at cox.net (Marty Escarcega) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:39:08 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] FS: Set of Wheels Message-ID: I have a set of original wheels for a Roadster. With tabs for the hub caps. I had them sand blasted and we painted them. We ended up with a set of nice aluminum wheels and won't be using these. $100 for the set of 4 plus shipping. I am in Mesa, AZ Marty From boakes at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 15:19:38 2012 From: boakes at gmail.com (Bill Oakes) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:19:38 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Trade/buy/sell Solex carbs? Message-ID: So, I'm moving ever-so- slowly with the Roadster project, and I'm close to putting on the Solex carbs that came with the car, and thinking. I have several sets of SU carbs from 240z parts cars that I was considering selling them, or trading in for a set of nice and clean rebuilt ones (not sure if Z Therapy still does that). The Solex are in good shape, but you never know exactly how good until you push gas through them. Not sure I want to add another 1-step-forward-2-steps-back to the program. Is there someone (personal or a business) that would do a trade for my current Solex and SU's for a nice shiny set of rebuilt Solex? Bill Oakes '68 SRL 2000 Libertyville, IL From dooger at wildblue.net Sat Apr 28 19:29:14 2012 From: dooger at wildblue.net (Wes Jones) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:29:14 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution In-Reply-To: <1335546092.51234.YahooMailClassic@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1335546092.51234.YahooMailClassic@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agree. Asbestos is a problem AIUI only with long term heavy exposure and in combination with other aggravating factors like smoking. The whole issue was the biggest environmental fraud in history before the global warming thing got legs. The only effect the asbestos issue has really had is make some companies rich by allowing them to charge exorbitant amounts to do remediation in public buildings and elsewhere when it's ordered by the EPA. Oh, and deny industry a cheap product for heat shielding. It's perfectly safe if handled with common sense. OK, that's my rant... Best, wes On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:01:32 -0400, Gary McCormick wrote: > Overkill. > > Thousands of tons of "asbestos-bearing" dust have been released into the > environment over the decades during which the material was used in brake > pads > and clutch discs. If it's so bleeding dangerous, we'd ALL have lung > cancerb& > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > --- On Fri, 4/27/12, datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca > > wrote: > > From: datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca > Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 9:45 AM > > It was with dismay that I read the other day of a 'listmember' servicing > a > rear brake, which included vacuuming the dust. > > We should never do anything which could allow any brake dust to get into > the > air. > > Brake dust may contain asbestos, asbestos is a carcinogen and any > exposure is > dangerous. > > If one is going to do any brake service, the first step is to wet the > brake > dust down with LOW pressure water (a hose on minimum flow) and capture > the > dirty, contaminated water as a hazardous waste. > > I would add the dirty water to my waste oil container. Even brake clean > on > it's own is a danger as it has high pressure which could also make dust > fly > into the air. I only spray brake clean into a rag and wipe parts clean. > > We shouldn't do anything that could cause brake dust to go into the air; > I > wear a mask and gloves, do not eat or smoke while doing brake service, > use NOT > petroleum greases so as not to contaminate any rubber parts(use > silicone/synthetic brake lubricants) > > Work safe > > Just my thoughts, this is what I teach my students in my Automotive > program at > Community College > > Enjoy the ride > > Damian Hall > 69 SRL solex > 88 300ZX > 87 XJ6 > PictouB NSB Canada > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/dooger at wildblue.net > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sat Apr 28 19:49:49 2012 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 01:49:49 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution In-Reply-To: References: <1335546092.51234.YahooMailClassic@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994427883-1335664188-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-506960211-@b15.c20.bise6.blackberry> Common Sense is sooooo last century. Roadster content: hopefully pulling engine tomorrow. Pete Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Wes Jones" Sender: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:29:14 To: Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution Agree. Asbestos is a problem AIUI only with long term heavy exposure and in combination with other aggravating factors like smoking. The whole issue was the biggest environmental fraud in history before the global warming thing got legs. The only effect the asbestos issue has really had is make some companies rich by allowing them to charge exorbitant amounts to do remediation in public buildings and elsewhere when it's ordered by the EPA. Oh, and deny industry a cheap product for heat shielding. It's perfectly safe if handled with common sense. OK, that's my rant... Best, wes On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:01:32 -0400, Gary McCormick wrote: > Overkill. > > Thousands of tons of "asbestos-bearing" dust have been released into the > environment over the decades during which the material was used in brake > pads > and clutch discs. If it's so bleeding dangerous, we'd ALL have lung > cancerb& > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > --- On Fri, 4/27/12, datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca > > wrote: > > From: datsun_nut at ns.sympatico.ca > Subject: [Roadsters] Brake service safety caution > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 9:45 AM > > It was with dismay that I read the other day of a 'listmember' servicing > a > rear brake, which included vacuuming the dust. > > We should never do anything which could allow any brake dust to get into > the > air. > > Brake dust may contain asbestos, asbestos is a carcinogen and any > exposure is > dangerous. > > If one is going to do any brake service, the first step is to wet the > brake > dust down with LOW pressure water (a hose on minimum flow) and capture > the > dirty, contaminated water as a hazardous waste. > > I would add the dirty water to my waste oil container. Even brake clean > on > it's own is a danger as it has high pressure which could also make dust > fly > into the air. I only spray brake clean into a rag and wipe parts clean. > > We shouldn't do anything that could cause brake dust to go into the air; > I > wear a mask and gloves, do not eat or smoke while doing brake service, > use NOT > petroleum greases so as not to contaminate any rubber parts(use > silicone/synthetic brake lubricants) > > Work safe > > Just my thoughts, this is what I teach my students in my Automotive > program at > Community College > > Enjoy the ride > > Damian Hall > 69 SRL solex > 88 300ZX > 87 XJ6 > PictouB NSB Canada > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/gkmcc at sbcglobal.net > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/dooger at wildblue.net > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ppeters914 at comcast.net From aultgc at att.net Sat Apr 28 19:53:12 2012 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:53:12 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Trade/buy/sell Solex carbs? References: Message-ID: Bill, Contact Wolf Creek Racing. They are the US distributor for Mikuni carburetors, and their website says they sell rebuilt Mikunis. Just Google "Wolf Creek Racing". Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Oakes" To: "Roadster List" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:19 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Trade/buy/sell Solex carbs? > So, I'm moving ever-so- slowly with the Roadster project, and I'm close to > putting on the Solex carbs that came with the car, and thinking. > > I have several sets of SU carbs from 240z parts cars that I was > considering > selling them, or trading in for a set of nice and clean rebuilt ones (not > sure > if Z Therapy still does that). > > The Solex are in good shape, but you never know exactly how good until you > push gas through them. Not sure I want to add another > 1-step-forward-2-steps-back to the program. > > Is there someone (personal or a business) that would do a trade for my > current > Solex and SU's for a nice shiny set of rebuilt Solex? > > Bill Oakes > '68 SRL 2000 > Libertyville, IL > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/aultgc at att.net From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 22:19:33 2012 From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 50th year grill badge Message-ID: <1335673173.50494.YahooMailClassic@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Whoever designed the "50 years Datsun Roadster" grill badge using the Deads' Stealie logo, please contact me off list. Please? Thanks! Patti From gsglasgow at comcast.net Sat Apr 28 22:31:27 2012 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:31:27 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car Message-ID: <003801cd25c0$f1cb8d50$d562a7f0$@net> Okay, gang, here's one for you. Sorry it isn't a Datsun question. I was contacted by a person trying to identify this car. He owned it in 1965 but can't remember now what kind it was. He was thinking it was a Datsun, but it doesn't look like any one I've ever seen, unless it was a HIGHLY customized 213 or something. Anybody have any idea what it was? http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/misc/Unknown_car.jpg Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA www.gordon-glasgow.org "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 28 22:48:57 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:48:57 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car In-Reply-To: <003801cd25c0$f1cb8d50$d562a7f0$@net> References: <003801cd25c0$f1cb8d50$d562a7f0$@net> Message-ID: <4F9CC839.2060101@bradakis.com> Drat. I think I know what it is but I just can't quite remember. mjb. From tminerpcav at aol.com Sat Apr 28 23:31:31 2012 From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 01:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car In-Reply-To: <4F9CC839.2060101@bradakis.com> References: <4F9CC839.2060101@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CEF3E077F0617F-1818-133D7@Webmail-m106.sysops.aol.com> It's a Fiat 1200 Cabriolet. Tim Miner -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: Roadster List Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Mystery car Drat. I think I know what it is but I just can't quite remember. mjb. ________________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/tminerpcav at aol.com From stephen.holst at randrglobal.com Sun Apr 29 05:24:25 2012 From: stephen.holst at randrglobal.com (Stephen Holst) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:24:25 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car In-Reply-To: <003801cd25c0$f1cb8d50$d562a7f0$@net> Message-ID: Its a fiat 1200 see "http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.madle.org/og05fiat1200tvcabp f59.jpg&imgrefurl=http://besthighlightotomotif.blogspot.com/2011/01/car-clas sic.html&h=324&w=500&sz=60&tbnid=Al80As7H8SYIvM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=136&prev=/sear ch%3Fq%3DIt's%2Ba%2BFiat%2B1200%2Bimage%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=It's +a+Fiat+1200+image&docid=ma9O-G-kWVrgqM&sa=X&ei=giSdT_X8D4uo8gTSi-T2Dg&ved=0 CE8Q9QEwAg&dur=6232" On 4/29/12 12:31 AM, "Gordon Glasgow" wrote: > Okay, gang, here's one for you. Sorry it isn't a Datsun question. > > > > I was contacted by a person trying to identify this car. He owned it in 1965 > but can't remember now what kind it was. He was thinking it was a Datsun, > but it doesn't look like any one I've ever seen, unless it was a HIGHLY > customized 213 or something. > > > > Anybody have any idea what it was? > > > > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/misc/Unknown_car.jpg > > > > Gordon Glasgow > > Renton, WA > > www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > > "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of > the oppressor." > > - Archbishop Desmond Tutu > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/stephen.holst at randrglob > al.com From davesmbox at aol.com Sun Apr 29 07:23:01 2012 From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car In-Reply-To: <003801cd25c0$f1cb8d50$d562a7f0$@net> References: <003801cd25c0$f1cb8d50$d562a7f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CEF422563039C7-2554-819@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> There is one on sale on Ebay for $38,000 Grab it quik A Fiat 1200 Dave -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Glasgow To: Roadster List ; Dave Firestone Sent: Sun, Apr 29, 2012 12:36 am Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car Okay, gang, here's one for you. Sorry it isn't a Datsun question. I was contacted by a person trying to identify this car. He owned it in 1965 ut can't remember now what kind it was. He was thinking it was a Datsun, ut it doesn't look like any one I've ever seen, unless it was a HIGHLY ustomized 213 or something. Anybody have any idea what it was? http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/misc/Unknown_car.jpg Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA www.gordon-glasgow.org "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of he oppressor." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu _______________________________________ datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/davesmbox at aol.com From chalsted at comcast.net Sun Apr 29 07:38:44 2012 From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car In-Reply-To: <8CEF422563039C7-2554-819@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <574604383.1504650.1335706724279.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I think I may have heard a Fiat guy make a similar remark about a Datsun Roadster recently ;-) Craig From fergus06 at socal.rr.com Sun Apr 29 11:36:15 2012 From: fergus06 at socal.rr.com (Fergus O'Farrell) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:36:15 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] NorCal backroads tour pics, from BAT Message-ID: large pic slideshow of a backroads "rally" (non-competitive, so a "gearhead tour" is most accurate description), put on in NorCal, starts in SF with an "overnite stage" to Sacramento on Firday nite, then up around lake tahoe, back to Sacto. http://www.flickr.com//photos/37210452 at N06/sets/72157629923005385/show/ this one was photo documented by the guys from BringATrailer. not sure why there are so many dup pictures in the slideshow, but there ar eworse things to see. Datsun content: The Lucha Libre Carrera racecar was along, as well as a Skyline, a 510. I have done several of these in SoCal, and they are a wonderful way to meet groups of folks with equivalent "gearhead coefficient", and are also relatively easy to put on, as it can be as simple as choosing an overnite motel/town and let folks make their own lodging plans, then ask the locals for recommendations of "great roads". The breakdowns and mechanical quirks are part of the fun, and make for great stories. Maximum smiles per mile being the motto for the day. Enjoythe ride. Fergus O From fergus06 at socal.rr.com Sun Apr 29 12:01:30 2012 From: fergus06 at socal.rr.com (Fergus O'Farrell) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:01:30 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Irvine CarsNCoffee, in a rad Z car Message-ID: So pursuing the effort to present Victors Z car to as many prospective buyers as possible, RonE and I went and picked it up, and since I couldn't go to Solvang, I took it to the CarsNCoffee Saturday morning car show in Irvine. It just so happened that when I pulled in the spot I chose ot park was right next to a '32 Ford, but not just a YA32 (Yet Another 32 Ford), but one with a 12-cyl Jag engine in it, so there was a crowd all around all morning. (look for the Lime green 72 Z with Japan -spec SSR Mark II wheels) http://www.cncpics.com/2012/April/Cars-and-Coffee-Irvine-April/22681951_wwFzM X#!i=1817471439&k=PbHdKsW Roadster content (well kinda). While I had been a passenger in this Z car (aka: hang on for dear life, sometimes ponder your existence on terra firma), I had never driven one until Friday morning. Not to be trite, but OMG! with a 280Z 5-speed, what feels like a comp clutch, and the large rubber, this thing seriously hauls @$$!!! Comes out of the chute like a just-branded animal, and I am doing my best to take it easy. Similar driving experience to the U-20, except the power bands are not so separated. (I think that is the state of my own SU carbs, as I have 2 distinct power bands in my car, one from 2k-3.5k, and another from 3.5k-5.5k) The "enclosed" feeling is different, and the Z seats are so darn low the window base is at shoulder level (and that is for me, the shorty-legged tall guy) And surprising to me, A) the added rubber sems to have the perfect offset, because the steering is not heavy at slow speeds, and B) TONS of legroom. Lack of sun exposure and plenty of headroom has me hooked. Fwy onramps are a wonderful thing, it pulls like a train, I swear I could pull my roadster behind....without its wheels on. The man certainly knows how to get the most out of an SU-tune. If you are (or someone is) interested in a great piece that needs a little sorting on the non-mechanical front, contact me I have details. Ron and I are helping out on that front, and it is all volunteer basis, we have nothing in it except the good fortune of our good friend. It is at the MotorsportAuto Z Car show today, in the JNC magazine booth. Take care all, looked like a great time in Solvang. We are pulling for you Victor, every day, and will be on your road ahead. Fergus O From ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 29 13:11:36 2012 From: ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com (Stan Wilkins) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:11:36 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] NorCal backroads tour pics, from BAT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just the kind of thing I'd like to get involved with. Can I do it in a '61 Comet or a '66 T-Bird convertible? That is until I get the Roadster done. The Comet will get the front end bushings replaced in a couple of weeks and be ready to go, the 'Bird is in the middle of a total interior rebuild and will be the rest of the summer. I can't touch the Roadster until the 'Bird is done. I'm looking forward to Williams in October but won't have a Roadster ready to drive for a couple of years. FrankenStan On 4/29/2012 10:36 AM, Fergus O'Farrell wrote: > large pic slideshow of a backroads "rally" (non-competitive, so a "gearhead > tour" is most accurate description), put on in NorCal, starts in SF with an > "overnite stage" to Sacramento on Firday nite, then up around lake tahoe, back > to Sacto. > http://www.flickr.com//photos/37210452 at N06/sets/72157629923005385/show/ > > this one was photo documented by the guys from BringATrailer. not sure why > there are so many dup pictures in the slideshow, but there ar eworse things to > see. > Datsun content: The Lucha Libre Carrera racecar was along, as well as a > Skyline, a 510. > > I have done several of these in SoCal, and they are a wonderful way to meet > groups of folks with equivalent "gearhead coefficient", and are also > relatively easy to put on, as it can be as simple as choosing an overnite > motel/town and let folks make their own lodging plans, then ask the locals for > recommendations of "great roads". > > The breakdowns and mechanical quirks are part of the fun, and make for great > stories. Maximum smiles per mile being the motto for the day. > > Enjoythe ride. > Fergus O > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ragtopman1601 at hotmail.com From jeep007jonathan at msn.com Mon Apr 30 08:40:43 2012 From: jeep007jonathan at msn.com (Jonathan Longo) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:40:43 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] BRAKE DUST Message-ID: In the USA it is illegal to contaminate used oil with asbestos . I work at an auto parts store and we except used oil as a courtesy to our customers . Use Brakeclean , It's not high pressure if you take the straw off the nozzle and back off some , place a rag below the brake rotor or brake backing plate to catch the drippings. Let the rag dry and Seal the rag in a ziplock bag and take it to a hazardous wast disposal site .....call your local city hall and they will assist you in locating one near you. Please, do NOT contaminate used oil, it is hazardous enough without asbestos .... Don't kill your local parts guys , you will need us next time and we are NOT recyclable. Thank You, Jonathan. 67 311 R-16 and 77 Nova 383 sb ...San Bernardino, California ,USA. From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net Mon Apr 30 09:45:09 2012 From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:45:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car Message-ID: <18469364.1335800710324.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> FIAT??? -----Original Message----- >From: Gordon Glasgow >Sent: Apr 28, 2012 9:31 PM >To: Roadster List , Dave Firestone >Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car > >Okay, gang, here's one for you. Sorry it isn't a Datsun question. > > > >I was contacted by a person trying to identify this car. He owned it in 1965 >but can't remember now what kind it was. He was thinking it was a Datsun, >but it doesn't look like any one I've ever seen, unless it was a HIGHLY >customized 213 or something. > > > >Anybody have any idea what it was? > > > >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/misc/Unknown_car.jpg > > > >Gordon Glasgow > >Renton, WA > >www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > >"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of >the oppressor." > > - Archbishop Desmond Tutu >________________________________________ > >datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/hahlbohmd at earthlink.net From gsglasgow at comcast.net Mon Apr 30 10:27:04 2012 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car In-Reply-To: <18469364.1335800710324.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1375058196.1896321.1335803212303.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> For some reason, it looks like my "thank you" note didn't post (or maybe it just didn't come back to me). In any case, thank you all for helping identify this car. This list is awesome! It took all of one hour (!) to have it correctly identified. Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA www.gordon-glasgow.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewey Hahlbohm" To: "Gordon Glasgow" , "Roadster List" , "Dave Firestone" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 8:45:09 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Mystery car FIAT??? -----Original Message----- >From: Gordon Glasgow >Sent: Apr 28, 2012 9:31 PM >To: Roadster List , Dave Firestone >Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car > >Okay, gang, here's one for you. Sorry it isn't a Datsun question. > > > >I was contacted by a person trying to identify this car. He owned it in 1965 >but can't remember now what kind it was. He was thinking it was a Datsun, >but it doesn't look like any one I've ever seen, unless it was a HIGHLY >customized 213 or something. > > > >Anybody have any idea what it was? > > > >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/misc/Unknown_car.jpg > > > >Gordon Glasgow > >Renton, WA > >www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > >"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of >the oppressor." > > B B - Archbishop Desmond Tutu >________________________________________ > >datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/hahlbohmd at earthlink.net From tom at datsun2000.com Mon Apr 30 13:01:25 2012 From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom Hendricksen) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:01:25 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car Message-ID: Gordon, Your post made it back to me at least. I sold my 59 Fiat Spyder because of defective motor mounts. When I see one for sale I wonder what the VIN number is and would still like to have it back. Tom 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde Las Vegas On 4/30/2012 9:27:04 AM, Gordon Glasgow (gsglasgow at comcast.net) wrote: > For some reason, it looks like my "thank you" note > didn't post (or maybe it > just didn't come back to me). > > > > In any case, thank you all for helping identify this car. This list is > awesome! It took all of one hour (!) to have it correctly identified. > > > Gordon Glasgow > Renton, WA > www.gordon-glasgow.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dewey Hahlbohm" > To: "Gordon Glasgow" , "Roadster List" > , "Dave Firestone" > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 8:45:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Mystery car > > FIAT??? > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Gordon Glasgow > >Sent: Apr 28, 2012 9:31 PM > >To: Roadster List , Dave Firestone > > >Subject: [Roadsters] Mystery car > > > >Okay, gang, here's one for you. Sorry it isn't a Datsun question. > > > > > > > >I was contacted by a person trying to identify this car. He owned it in > 1965 > >but > can't remember now what kind it was. He was thinking it was a Datsun, > >but From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Mon Apr 30 13:18:55 2012 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:18:55 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] backroads tours, all takers Message-ID: <1432A0C924F7ED439A95685850281F6602021196@XMBC3087.northgrum.com> << Can I do it in a '61 Comet or a '66 T-Bird convertible? >> Abso-freakin-lutely you can. We have had Olds Toronado's, Jensen Interceptors, a Caddy hearse, a Nash Metro with a faux huge blower inset into the hood (and an A-series/auto combo singing along underneath it) and an early 60's Comet Caliente set-up as a tribute to the South African Rally car, complete with handles on the trunklid for when the co-driver has to get out, stand on the back bumper, hold the handles and "rock" to get out of deep sand. No really, these are all-comers kind of events, until they grow into "applications being taken" due to the crowds, at which point a splinter group starts one that is more irreverent, then it builds in attendance, starts taking applications, lather rinse, repeat. What has made one event very popular is one of the participants is an estate attorney, and you can sell anything at an estate sale except booze, because that requires a liquor license, so there are crates of old booze bottles for "sampling" during happy hour. They are known as "the bar car" and take less windy roads, go wine tasting during the day, and meet us at the destination. Trouble brutha! The more the merrier. Fergus From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Mon Apr 30 19:45:42 2012 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] early 1600 seats Message-ID: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/pts/2973885260.html local - merely FYI - happy to pick up and ship 4 u Peter Harrison - Eliza [TOAD SAN] 818 448 3181