From tputland at charter.net  Thu Oct  1 09:24:48 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 8:24:48 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] window mechanisms
Message-ID: <20091001112448.76B08.1043949.root@mp05>

Are the window mechanisms for the 66 & 67 the same for the 67.5? [my part book only says 66-67 with no mention of 67.5 for these parts.]

Thanks
Tim

From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:42:02 2009
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] window mechanisms
In-Reply-To: <20091001112448.76B08.1043949.root@mp05>
References: <20091001112448.76B08.1043949.root@mp05>
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0910010842u6cf9ae47x45eedaaa6f08bb9a@mail.gmail.com>

I believe all window regulators were the same for all low windshields. If I
am wrong, it would not be the first time and I promise it won't be my last.
But I don't think this is one of those times.

Chris

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:

> Are the window mechanisms for the 66 & 67 the same for the 67.5? [my part
> book only says 66-67 with no mention of 67.5 for these parts.]
>
> Thanks
> Tim
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From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:55:15 2009
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:55:15 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] F.Y.I.
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0910010855o16db96dfy456f7a170de66d39@mail.gmail.com>

The 2nd Annual SoCalROC Show-N-Shine Toy Drive is coming up on November 7,
2009

It does not matter where you are located if you want to be part of this
event.
For more information on how to be part of this and on how you can help log
onto: www.socalroc.net

Chris
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'70 521
'73 Mustang
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------------------------------------------------------
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enough.

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Oct  1 09:56:28 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 8:56:28 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] window mechanisms
In-Reply-To: <b0b0059f0910010842u6cf9ae47x45eedaaa6f08bb9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091001115628.F8W25.6219123.root@mp07>

That certainly makes sense to me. But before I get a set for a local guy here in Madison, I want to make sure a set from a 66 will fit a 67.5.

Thanks Chris.

Tim

---- Chris & Christy Breyer <fairlady66 at gmail.com> wrote: 

=============
I believe all window regulators were the same for all low windshields. If I
am wrong, it would not be the first time and I promise it won't be my last.
But I don't think this is one of those times.

Chris

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:

> Are the window mechanisms for the 66 & 67 the same for the 67.5? [my part
> book only says 66-67 with no mention of 67.5 for these parts.]
>
> Thanks
> Tim
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'66 1600
'70 521
'73 Mustang
Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
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enough.

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  1 10:49:39 2009
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:49:39 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] window mechanisms
In-Reply-To: <20091001112448.76B08.1043949.root@mp05>
References: <20091001112448.76B08.1043949.root@mp05>
Message-ID: <SNT106-W629E5060CE1288E64F3A6ADFD30@phx.gbl>

I doubt that they can be the same since the 'throw' is different - what is
wrong with yours - they can be fixed - i rebuilt my driver side regulator

> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:24:48 -0700
> From: tputland at charter.net
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Roadsters] window mechanisms
>
> Are the window mechanisms for the 66 & 67 the same for the 67.5? [my part
book only says 66-67 with no mention of 67.5 for these parts.]
>
> Thanks
> Tim
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From mhknorr at msn.com  Thu Oct  1 20:31:45 2009
From: mhknorr at msn.com (Michael Knorr)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:31:45 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] Which model year was it?
Message-ID: <COL106-W43D1F614E3CA2E5D570C1CAAD20@phx.gbl>

I've only ever driven low windshield SPLs and SRLs, and I'm continually
fascinated by the posts on this lists about the subtle differences among the
high-windshield models.



Today, I stumbled upon a relatively nice high windshield two-liter outside of
my local Whole Foods market. The owner was nowhere to be found. The car had
thin cigar-shaped front quarter panel side reflectors and round silver
dollar-sized rear quarter panel side reflectors. Can anyone tell me what model
year that car might be?



Regards, Michael Knorr

1966 SPL311-03639

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Thu Oct  1 20:36:32 2009
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:36:32 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] window mechanisms
In-Reply-To: <b0b0059f0910010842u6cf9ae47x45eedaaa6f08bb9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66A419696D10416E8AFB28DB173C591D@delled48909442>

According to Rallye, all 63 to 67.5 are the same. Left and right sides, of
course are different, but the same part is listed 63 to 67.5, all models.
 I'm not aware of Dann's info ever being wrong.
http://www.datsunroadster.com/SUB_SECT_USED_DIRECTORIES/used_body_misc.htm

Dave Brisco
ECR


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris & Christy Breyer [mailto:fairlady66 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:42 AM
To: Tim
Cc: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] window mechanisms

I believe all window regulators were the same for all low windshields. If I
am wrong, it would not be the first time and I promise it won't be my last.
But I don't think this is one of those times.

Chris

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:

> Are the window mechanisms for the 66 & 67 the same for the 67.5? [my part
> book only says 66-67 with no mention of 67.5 for these parts.]
>
> Thanks
> Tim
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'70 521
'73 Mustang
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------------------------------------------------------
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From RWM at RWMann.com  Thu Oct  1 20:38:02 2009
From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:38:02 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Which model year was it?
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W43D1F614E3CA2E5D570C1CAAD20@phx.gbl>
References: <COL106-W43D1F614E3CA2E5D570C1CAAD20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AC5678A.2020707@RWMann.com>

Michael,

The tear-drop front and round rear side lamps make it a 1969 model year car.

- Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex


Michael Knorr wrote:
> I've only ever driven low windshield SPLs and SRLs, and I'm continually
> fascinated by the posts on this lists about the subtle differences among the
> high-windshield models.
>
>
>
> Today, I stumbled upon a relatively nice high windshield two-liter outside of
> my local Whole Foods market. The owner was nowhere to be found. The car had
> thin cigar-shaped front quarter panel side reflectors and round silver
> dollar-sized rear quarter panel side reflectors. Can anyone tell me what model
> year that car might be?
>
>
>
> Regards, Michael Knorr
>
> 1966 SPL311-03639

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  1 20:49:56 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:49:56 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Which model year was it?
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W43D1F614E3CA2E5D570C1CAAD20@phx.gbl>
References: <COL106-W43D1F614E3CA2E5D570C1CAAD20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6B95048B8DF247B293D4E5579BF4CC23@xp>

<http://datsun.org/roadster/resources/front.html> 

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Knorr
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:32 PM
To: Datsun Roadster Listserver
Subject: [Roadsters] Which model year was it?

I've only ever driven low windshield SPLs and SRLs, and I'm continually
fascinated by the posts on this lists about the subtle differences among the
high-windshield models.



Today, I stumbled upon a relatively nice high windshield two-liter outside
of my local Whole Foods market. The owner was nowhere to be found. The car
had thin cigar-shaped front quarter panel side reflectors and round silver
dollar-sized rear quarter panel side reflectors. Can anyone tell me what
model year that car might be?



Regards, Michael Knorr

1966 SPL311-03639
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From dboerst at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 16:23:19 2009
From: dboerst at yahoo.com (David Boerst)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Starter
Message-ID: <839743.88731.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
My Starter died. I did check it and the commutator shorted possibly. Does any one know of a rebuild kit of an inexpensive one? I just did brakes all around, water pump, tires, carbs rebuilt, new battery plus more.

From rpmartinez9205 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 17:39:58 2009
From: rpmartinez9205 at yahoo.com (Robert Martinez)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:39:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Recommendations for Soft Top replacement In Southern
 California (L.A./O.C. area)
Message-ID: <709648.64657.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all. I have a '69 2000 and would like to replace the top. 
Any recommendations, pros/cons of vinyl vs canvas? 
Where to purchase and/or have it installed? 
Zipper/no zipper window?
I like the look of canvas and am partial to a black colored top...I've seen a Haartz(?) top for about $450...any opinions on that brand?...personal price and installation experiences would be great...Thanks for your time.

From aultgc at att.net  Fri Oct  2 19:12:51 2009
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Recommendations for Soft Top replacement In
 Southern California (L.A./O.C. area)
References: <709648.64657.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CDE6F9AFDA3E4C30955C268A30D86113@gaxp1>

Robert,

Stayfast with a zip-out window.  I have had a couple of tops on my '66-1600 
in the 38 years I have owned the car.   It now has an NOS Nissan canvas top. 
Nice, but I have a Stayfast top on the '67-1/2 2000 I bought a year ago, and 
it is, in my opinion, superior to any others I have had.  I like canvas over 
vinyl, because it seems to stretch and shrink less with weather changes. 
May be my imagination.

(No, I do not own stock in the company.)

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Martinez" <rpmartinez9205 at yahoo.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:39 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Recommendations for Soft Top replacement In Southern 
California (L.A./O.C. area)


> Hi all. I have a '69 2000 and would like to replace the top.
> Any recommendations, pros/cons of vinyl vs canvas?
> Where to purchase and/or have it installed?
> Zipper/no zipper window?
> I like the look of canvas and am partial to a black colored top...I've 
> seen a Haartz(?) top for about $450...any opinions on that 
> brand?...personal price and installation experiences would be 
> great...Thanks for your time.
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From rksmith46 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  2 19:53:38 2009
From: rksmith46 at hotmail.com (robert k. smith)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:53:38 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Which model year was it?
In-Reply-To: <6B95048B8DF247B293D4E5579BF4CC23@xp>
References: <COL106-W43D1F614E3CA2E5D570C1CAAD20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY124-W8165146D749F121D713DABFD10@phx.gbl>

hi michael, definitley a 1969 srl 311

  bob smith, ohio

  69 srl311

  70 chev. elcamino

> From: ppeters914 at comcast.net
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:49:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Which model year was it?
>
> <http://datsun.org/roadster/resources/front.html>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Knorr
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:32 PM
> To: Datsun Roadster Listserver
> Subject: [Roadsters] Which model year was it?
>
> I've only ever driven low windshield SPLs and SRLs, and I'm continually
> fascinated by the posts on this lists about the subtle differences among
the
> high-windshield models.
>
>
>
> Today, I stumbled upon a relatively nice high windshield two-liter outside
> of my local Whole Foods market. The owner was nowhere to be found. The car
> had thin cigar-shaped front quarter panel side reflectors and round silver
> dollar-sized rear quarter panel side reflectors. Can anyone tell me what
> model year that car might be?
>
>
>
> Regards, Michael Knorr
>
> 1966 SPL311-03639
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From roadster at astound.net  Fri Oct  2 19:55:36 2009
From: roadster at astound.net (Fred Katz)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:55:36 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 2010 Sports & Exotic Car Calendar
In-Reply-To: <4AC3D8E2.6000005@JandMContractors.com>
References: <SNT104-W2355AEDB9608C1071ED31EB5D40@phx.gbl>
	<4AC3D8E2.6000005@JandMContractors.com>
Message-ID: <FDC18213-DC6B-4284-B734-1B47EBDAF17B@astound.net>

Ditto Alvin - Congratulations! Of course I like your car the best!

Fred - So.SF, CA

On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Leonard Sprague wrote:

> alvin gogineni wrote:
>> A Datsun amongst other "exotics"
>> :)http://www.hemmings.com/store/detail_calendars.html?product_id=1376
>>
>> Alvin Gogineni
>> San Jose, CA
>> 67.5 SPL/SR20
>
> Nice!!
>
> I love the July one! Congratulations Alvin!
>
> Enjoy the ride,
> Lenny Sprague
> Gainesville, FL
>
> For Sale: 69 SPL311/VG30
> http://www.lennyandjulie.com/datsun/
> ________________________________________

From eddietude at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct  2 21:38:23 2009
From: eddietude at socal.rr.com (Eddie)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Starter
In-Reply-To: <839743.88731.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <839743.88731.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50EEB375-8674-420F-BC4F-8F8EF60B28A9@socal.rr.com>

I've got rebuilt starters.  Do u need a long or short one?

Eddie

Sent from my iPhone plz excuse typing errors.  :-)


On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:23 PM, David Boerst <dboerst at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> My Starter died. I did check it and the commutator shorted possibly.  
> Does any one know of a rebuild kit of an inexpensive one? I just did  
> brakes all around, water pump, tires, carbs rebuilt, new battery  
> plus more.
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From tputland at charter.net  Sat Oct  3 05:36:46 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 4:36:46 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Recommendations for Soft Top replacement In
 Southern California (L.A./O.C. area)
In-Reply-To: <709648.64657.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091003073646.GOSPW.6218877.root@mp12>

Ask Dan in Madison about his recent experience with buying a top. Maybe has some ear plugs and a censor beeper handy though. 

Tim
Dairyland Datsuns

---- Robert Martinez <rpmartinez9205 at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
Hi all. I have a '69 2000 and would like to replace the top. 
Any recommendations, pros/cons of vinyl vs canvas? 
Where to purchase and/or have it installed? 
Zipper/no zipper window?
I like the look of canvas and am partial to a black colored top...I've seen a Haartz(?) top for about $450...any opinions on that brand?...personal price and installation experiences would be great...Thanks for your time.
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From hallosb at juno.com  Sat Oct  3 15:31:52 2009
From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:31:52 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
Message-ID: <20091003.143152.16853.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

If youre following my previous post, I decided to pull the motor so, I can
have the engine bay painted when, the rest of the car is refinished. Please,
read this long post, I need help.

I thought I would tune up the engine then, run compression and leak down tests
to check the health. If I have any issues, the time to correct would be while
the engine was out. The engine was rebuilt 20 years ago. I put maybe 5,000
miles on it, then it sat dormant for 15+ years. While it was dormant, it was
garaged.  I routinely squirted oil in the cylinders and turned it over by hand
to keep it from seizing up.

I set my dwell and timing, balanced the carbs, and went for a spin. Results
were fantastic. No hesitation. Pulled hard. Idled nicely. With accurate
timing, it was running much cooler, also.

Next, I ran the leak down test while the engine was hot. Initial results
werent bad but, I ran out of time. Next day, I fired the engine up to get it
warm, again for another test. Its running like crap. Backfiring through the
carbs on occasion. Lots of hesitation. I drove it around the block to get it
warm then, ran another test.  Results looked good and were repeatable.
1.	100/93 (7%)
2.	110/94 (6%)
3.	100/96 (4%)
4.	100/96 (4%)
During the leakdown tests, all the air was escaping from the crankcase.
Absolutely nothing out of the carbs or tail pipe. Sounds like my valves are
sealing nicely. While it was hot, checked all the valve clearances, 0.017.
All in spec.

Took a break. Warmed up the engine again and ran a compression test. Results
were sporadic, no consistency. I ran each test several times and never got the
same answer. Heres a sampling.
1.	170, 160, 145
2.	160, 140
3.	165, 150
4.	180, 170, 160

Im thinking my valves are sticking open. The leak down test may have forced
the valves fully closed and any goo on the stem is now causing me problems. I
did try swapping plug wires to see if it made a difference. Nothing. I didnt
have a spare cap and rotor.

So. What do you think?

Thanks,
Dan McHatton
66 1600


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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 16:07:43 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:07:43 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
In-Reply-To: <20091003.143152.16853.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091003.143152.16853.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000c01ca4475$eeb23800$cc16a800$@net>

Since the engine is out, why not pull the head and take a look?

If the car has been sitting for 15 years, one obvious question is, did you
drain the gas tank and lines before you stored it?

Gordon Glasgow

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
hallosb at juno.com
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:32 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please

If youre following my previous post, I decided to pull the motor so, I can
have the engine bay painted when, the rest of the car is refinished. Please,
read this long post, I need help.

I thought I would tune up the engine then, run compression and leak down
tests
to check the health. If I have any issues, the time to correct would be
while
the engine was out. The engine was rebuilt 20 years ago. I put maybe 5,000
miles on it, then it sat dormant for 15+ years. While it was dormant, it was
garaged.  I routinely squirted oil in the cylinders and turned it over by
hand
to keep it from seizing up.

I set my dwell and timing, balanced the carbs, and went for a spin. Results
were fantastic. No hesitation. Pulled hard. Idled nicely. With accurate
timing, it was running much cooler, also.

Next, I ran the leak down test while the engine was hot. Initial results
werent bad but, I ran out of time. Next day, I fired the engine up to get
it
warm, again for another test. Its running like crap. Backfiring through the
carbs on occasion. Lots of hesitation. I drove it around the block to get it
warm then, ran another test.  Results looked good and were repeatable.
1.	100/93 (7%)
2.	110/94 (6%)
3.	100/96 (4%)
4.	100/96 (4%)
During the leakdown tests, all the air was escaping from the crankcase.
Absolutely nothing out of the carbs or tail pipe. Sounds like my valves are
sealing nicely. While it was hot, checked all the valve clearances, 0.017.
All in spec.

Took a break. Warmed up the engine again and ran a compression test. Results
were sporadic, no consistency. I ran each test several times and never got
the
same answer. Heres a sampling.
1.	170, 160, 145
2.	160, 140
3.	165, 150
4.	180, 170, 160

Im thinking my valves are sticking open. The leak down test may have forced
the valves fully closed and any goo on the stem is now causing me problems.
I
did try swapping plug wires to see if it made a difference. Nothing. I
didnt
have a spare cap and rotor.

So. What do you think?

Thanks,
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66 1600


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From twobeaners at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  3 18:07:21 2009
From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (MH)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:07:21 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
References: <20091003.143152.16853.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<000c01ca4475$eeb23800$cc16a800$@net>
Message-ID: <020101ca4486$a5823200$f300a8c0@LAP120>

Sounds like "sticky gas" could be one factor, but easy to fix.
m.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
To: <hallosb at juno.com>; <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please


> Since the engine is out, why not pull the head and take a look?
>
> If the car has been sitting for 15 years, one obvious question is, did you
> drain the gas tank and lines before you stored it?
>
> Gordon Glasgow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> hallosb at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:32 PM
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
>
> If youre following my previous post, I decided to pull the motor so, I
can
> have the engine bay painted when, the rest of the car is refinished.
Please,
> read this long post, I need help.
>
> I thought I would tune up the engine then, run compression and leak down
> tests
> to check the health. If I have any issues, the time to correct would be
> while
> the engine was out. The engine was rebuilt 20 years ago. I put maybe 5,000
> miles on it, then it sat dormant for 15+ years. While it was dormant, it
was
> garaged.  I routinely squirted oil in the cylinders and turned it over by
> hand
> to keep it from seizing up.
>
> I set my dwell and timing, balanced the carbs, and went for a spin.
Results
> were fantastic. No hesitation. Pulled hard. Idled nicely. With accurate
> timing, it was running much cooler, also.
>
> Next, I ran the leak down test while the engine was hot. Initial results
> werent bad but, I ran out of time. Next day, I fired the engine up to get
> it
> warm, again for another test. Its running like crap. Backfiring through
the
> carbs on occasion. Lots of hesitation. I drove it around the block to get
it
> warm then, ran another test.  Results looked good and were repeatable.
> 1. 100/93 (7%)
> 2. 110/94 (6%)
> 3. 100/96 (4%)
> 4. 100/96 (4%)
> During the leakdown tests, all the air was escaping from the crankcase.
> Absolutely nothing out of the carbs or tail pipe. Sounds like my valves
are
> sealing nicely. While it was hot, checked all the valve clearances,
0.017.
> All in spec.
>
> Took a break. Warmed up the engine again and ran a compression test.
Results
> were sporadic, no consistency. I ran each test several times and never got
> the
> same answer. Heres a sampling.
> 1. 170, 160, 145
> 2. 160, 140
> 3. 165, 150
> 4. 180, 170, 160
>
> Im thinking my valves are sticking open. The leak down test may have
forced
> the valves fully closed and any goo on the stem is now causing me
problems.
> I
> did try swapping plug wires to see if it made a difference. Nothing. I
> didnt
> have a spare cap and rotor.
>
> So. What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan McHatton
> 66 1600

From hallosb at juno.com  Sat Oct  3 20:32:12 2009
From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 02:32:12 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
Message-ID: <20091003.193212.1837.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Gordon: I'd like to pull the motor tomorrow. I'm thinking I may pull the head
when the engine is on the stand. When I first fired it up a few months ago,
the tank was drained completely, rinsed, and filled with fresh gas and
Sta-bil. I then turned the motor over and flushed the lines into an empty gas
can. I also pulled the SU's, cleaned them, and replaced the gaskets. I ran
that tank dry and just added 2.5 gallons of fresh fuel a couple of days ago.

Gary: The only thing I fussed with between the perfect running machine and
disaster were the plug wires, coil wire, and plugs. I pulled them one at a
time so, the firing order is still correct. 1-3-4-2 is easy to verify, also.
They are indeed 20 year old wires. I replaced the plugs but, haven't replaced
the wires, yet. On my last run, I stole a set of wires off my old Chevy. The
only wire I didn't swap was the coil wire.

Bob: With all my leakdown results below 10%, I don't think I'm having any
problem with rings.

>From what I'm hearing a sticking valve may not be the problem. I'm beginning
to think this is ignition related. I'll replace the coil wire and see if I can
dig up a spare rotor and cap. I hate to spend too much time, though. I really
need to get this motor out so, I can get the car to the body shop. My weekend
is slipping away fast.

Thanks for all the responses,
Dan McHatton
'66 1600

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
To: <hallosb at juno.com>, <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:07:43 -0700

Since the engine is out, why not pull the head and take a look?

If the car has been sitting for 15 years, one obvious question is, did you
drain the gas tank and lines before you stored it?

Gordon Glasgow

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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 08:25:57 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:25:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Some pics from JCCS '09
Message-ID: <63BFAD3BF9484AE5BB87A017B54D2D5C@xp>

Courtesy of Ted on the Bluebirds list. 

-----Original Message-----
From: bluebirds-request at bluebirds.datsun510.com
[mailto:bluebirds-request at bluebirds.datsun510.com] On Behalf Of Ted Hedman
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:55 PM
To: bluebird List
Subject: Some pics from JCCS '09

http://tinyurl.com/yclplq6

Nice day, though rather warm. Was good to chat with Rex Jennett. Been a
while. Spriso SR Roadsters took home some well deserved trophies. 4 Toyota
2000 GTs. No Leno sightings. Caveman style turkey legs for lunch. Fun to see
the cars converging on the site in the morning. Heavy PoPo presence on exit,
but saw no one lit up. Toyota and Mazda Corps get it, Nissan doesn't. Zero
Nissan Corp presence. Lots and lots and lots of J-tin.
-Ted 

From edmitche at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 08:43:33 2009
From: edmitche at gmail.com (Ed Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:43:33 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] 1st car show
Message-ID: <4ac8b494.0d0bca0a.6abe.0cf3@mx.google.com>

HI All.

 

Went to my first entered Car Show this weekend.over 250 entries - open to
'78 and older street vehicles

 

http://www.zianet.com/RTRD/2008%20RTRD/2008%20RTRD%20Pics.htm

 

 

I'm not a member of this club.but they are a bunch of nice people.as most
car peeps are it seems

 

Out of the 250 Cars.40 Cars Won Awards...and Dead Betty was one of them.WOO
HOO

 

She got "Judges Choice". ( 8 Judges and each chose their fav.) 

 

Most of the cars were "Muscle and Mayhem".their engines cost what Dead Betty
cost as a total.

 

I had a 1956 Chevy (Monster) and a Ford Bronco next to me.and Dead Betty was
getting most of the attention.

 

It was amazing.people would walk up from a distance with this smirk of
pleasant memories on their face...

 

and you could just tell.they once owned one or had a story about one.  Of
Course all the Kids loved her.

 

But I was leery of entering Dead Betty in this show.as the flyers and lit.
Seemed it was all about muscle cars.

 

But Dead Betty was just as Shiny and Show worthy.  

 

The 56 Chevy next to me Cranked it up...and shook the ground...and a crowd
gathered

 

All the men were drooling...and most of the women.looking at them with pity
in their eyes.

 

But when he was done "showing off"  :-) .and with the crowd still circled
around.

 

 just for fun.I cranked up Dead Betty.got the tickty tick I'm told Datsuns
do.and got a good Laugh

 

told the owner of the Chevy."we're racin' for Pink Slips at 4:30"  he looked
at me as if I were a fool...and the small crowd was laughing, tears were
shed.

 

I was funny...ya hadta be there maybe

 

But it was fun.

 

I didn't make the Event Web Site...as I'm not a member I guess.but I've got
a couple of shots on my webshots album

 

http://rides.webshots.com/album/559322539UXctqG

 

e

From edmitche at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 09:29:49 2009
From: edmitche at gmail.com (Ed Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:29:49 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] 1st car show error
Message-ID: <4ac8bf6a.0d0bca0a.5e55.13db@mx.google.com>

Sorry..the link I posted was last year's show.no wonder dead betty wasn't
there.

 

I suk at this.stoopid computers

 

But I'll get the link out when they update.sorry

 

Thanks for pointing that out Pete.

 

e

From hallosb at juno.com  Sun Oct  4 11:21:48 2009
From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:21:48 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
Message-ID: <20091004.102148.19254.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>

I think my problem is my distributor. I found another cap and rotor then, went
to grab my coil wire from my old Chevy to have a complete set of fresh plug
wires. While I was there, I checked the play in the Chevy distributor rotor.
When you twist it lightly and let it go, the springs snap it right back to the
home position. When you try the same trick on the Datsun distributor, the
rotor has lots of slop in it.

I'm thinking my distributor is worn and causing my backfire problem. The
engine idles smooth as glass. Engine timing is 16 BTDC on the nose. Dwell
angle 51 degrees.  As soon as you rev it up, it misses and backfires.

What do you think??

Thanks,
Dan McHatton
'66 1600

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" <aultgc at att.net>
To: <hallosb at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:51:01 -0500

Dan,

I think you should be able to straighten things out via fuel and/or ignition
issues before you pull the motor apart.  A motor which runs fine one day
doesn't suddenly run poorly unles there has been a catastrophic incident. It's
either fuel or ignition, and I'd vote on ignition.

I'd put a whole new set of wires on the car.  If the plugs are not new,
replace them also.  Cheap way to eliminate those elements as possible
culprits.  Then go back through the ignition -- check the dwell and the
timing.  Let me know what results.  Thanks.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: <hallosb at juno.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please

Gary: The only thing I fussed with between the perfect running machine and
disaster were the plug wires, coil wire, and plugs. I pulled them one at a
time so, the firing order is still correct. 1-3-4-2 is easy to verify, also.
They are indeed 20 year old wires. I replaced the plugs but, haven't replaced
the wires, yet. On my last run, I stole a set of wires off my old Chevy. The
only wire I didn't swap was the coil wire.


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From tputland at charter.net  Sun Oct  4 12:10:49 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:10:49 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] rocker panel
Message-ID: <20091004141049.CD5ZA.726358.root@mp18>

Does any one have a picture of a (complete) loose rocker panel they can send me? If so, can you measure it--length, width, etc-- as well and include those figures? 

Thanks 

Tim

From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 14:07:03 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:07:03 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
In-Reply-To: <20091004.102148.19254.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091004.102148.19254.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca452e$3e030d40$ba0927c0$@net>

Put a timing light on it and watch what happens when you (or a helper) rev
it up. Does the advance jump all over the place or does it advance smoothly?

Gordon Glasgow
-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
hallosb at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:22 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor

I think my problem is my distributor. I found another cap and rotor then,
went
to grab my coil wire from my old Chevy to have a complete set of fresh plug
wires. While I was there, I checked the play in the Chevy distributor rotor.
When you twist it lightly and let it go, the springs snap it right back to
the
home position. When you try the same trick on the Datsun distributor, the
rotor has lots of slop in it.

I'm thinking my distributor is worn and causing my backfire problem. The
engine idles smooth as glass. Engine timing is 16 BTDC on the nose. Dwell
angle 51 degrees.  As soon as you rev it up, it misses and backfires.

What do you think??

Thanks,
Dan McHatton
'66 1600

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" <aultgc at att.net>
To: <hallosb at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:51:01 -0500

Dan,

I think you should be able to straighten things out via fuel and/or ignition
issues before you pull the motor apart.  A motor which runs fine one day
doesn't suddenly run poorly unles there has been a catastrophic incident.
It's
either fuel or ignition, and I'd vote on ignition.

I'd put a whole new set of wires on the car.  If the plugs are not new,
replace them also.  Cheap way to eliminate those elements as possible
culprits.  Then go back through the ignition -- check the dwell and the
timing.  Let me know what results.  Thanks.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
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To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please

Gary: The only thing I fussed with between the perfect running machine and
disaster were the plug wires, coil wire, and plugs. I pulled them one at a
time so, the firing order is still correct. 1-3-4-2 is easy to verify, also.
They are indeed 20 year old wires. I replaced the plugs but, haven't
replaced
the wires, yet. On my last run, I stole a set of wires off my old Chevy. The
only wire I didn't swap was the coil wire.


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From gregs672liter at netzero.net  Sun Oct  4 17:27:19 2009
From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:27:19 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
Message-ID: <20091004.162719.20599.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

Try changing out your balast resistor on the side of the distributor, even if
new.  I've seen this exact problem caused by this on a friends 1600.
Greg Burrows

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "hallosb at juno.com" <hallosb at juno.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:21:48 GMT

I think my problem is my distributor. I found another cap and rotor then,
went
to grab my coil wire from my old Chevy to have a complete set of fresh plug
wires. While I was there, I checked the play in the Chevy distributor rotor.
When you twist it lightly and let it go, the springs snap it right back to
the
home position. When you try the same trick on the Datsun distributor, the
rotor has lots of slop in it.

I'm thinking my distributor is worn and causing my backfire problem. The
engine idles smooth as glass. Engine timing is 16 BTDC on the nose. Dwell
angle 51 degrees.  As soon as you rev it up, it misses and backfires.

What do you think??

Thanks,
Dan McHatton
'66 1600

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" <aultgc at att.net>
To: <hallosb at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:51:01 -0500

Dan,

I think you should be able to straighten things out via fuel and/or ignition
issues before you pull the motor apart.  A motor which runs fine one day
doesn't suddenly run poorly unles there has been a catastrophic incident.
It's
either fuel or ignition, and I'd vote on ignition.

I'd put a whole new set of wires on the car.  If the plugs are not new,
replace them also.  Cheap way to eliminate those elements as possible
culprits.  Then go back through the ignition -- check the dwell and the
timing.  Let me know what results.  Thanks.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: <hallosb at juno.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Engine test results, help please

Gary: The only thing I fussed with between the perfect running machine and
disaster were the plug wires, coil wire, and plugs. I pulled them one at a
time so, the firing order is still correct. 1-3-4-2 is easy to verify, also.
They are indeed 20 year old wires. I replaced the plugs but, haven't replaced
the wires, yet. On my last run, I stole a set of wires off my old Chevy. The
only wire I didn't swap was the coil wire.


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From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 18:09:35 2009
From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] 1st car show
In-Reply-To: <4ac8b494.0d0bca0a.6abe.0cf3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <672345.80783.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Congratulations!!!!  Good for you!!  Way to go Beautiful Betty!!! (formerly
aka Dead Betty)
Thank you for sharing the pictures and this great story.
BTW...do you now hold the pink to the showy 56 Chevy?  haha!  Too funny!
Patti

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From: Ed Mitchell <edmitche at gmail.com>
Subject: [Roadsters] 1st car show
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:43 AM

HI All.



Went to my first entered Car Show this weekend.over 250 entries - open to
'78 and older street vehicles



http://www.zianet.com/RTRD/2008%20RTRD/2008%20RTRD%20Pics.htm





I'm not a member of this club.but they are a bunch of nice people.as most
car peeps are it seems



Out of the 250 Cars.40 Cars Won Awards...and Dead Betty was one of them.WOO
HOO



She got "Judges Choice". ( 8 Judges and each chose their fav.)



Most of the cars were "Muscle and Mayhem".their engines cost what Dead Betty
cost as a total.



I had a 1956 Chevy (Monster) and a Ford Bronco next to me.and Dead Betty was
getting most of the attention.



It was amazing.people would walk up from a distance with this smirk of
pleasant memories on their face...



and you could just tell.they once owned one or had a story about one.  Of
Course all the Kids loved her.



But I was leery of entering Dead Betty in this show.as the flyers and lit.
Seemed it was all about muscle cars.



But Dead Betty was just as Shiny and Show worthy. 



The 56 Chevy next to me Cranked it up...and shook the ground...and a crowd
gathered



All the men were drooling...and most of the women.looking at them with pity
in their eyes.



But when he was done "showing off"  :-) .and with the crowd still circled
around.



 just for fun.I cranked up Dead Betty.got the tickty tick I'm told Datsuns
do.and got a good Laugh



told the owner of the Chevy."we're racin' for Pink Slips at 4:30"  he looked
at me as if I were a fool...and the small crowd was laughing, tears were
shed.



I was funny...ya hadta be there maybe



But it was fun.



I didn't make the Event Web Site...as I'm not a member I guess.but I've got
a couple of shots on my webshots album



http://rides.webshots.com/album/559322539UXctqG



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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sun Oct  4 19:15:12 2009
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:15:12 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
In-Reply-To: <20091004.162719.20599.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091004.162719.20599.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <8CC13706C0B6038-5100-11348@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>

 That's a condenser isn't it?

Linda


 


 

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To: hallosb at juno.com
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor










Try changing out your balast resistor on the side of the distributor, even if
new.  I've seen this exact problem caused by this on a friends 1600.
Greg Burrows

From gregs672liter at netzero.net  Mon Oct  5 00:12:57 2009
From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:12:57 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
Message-ID: <20091004.231257.21962.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Um, ya what ever it's called... I haven't had to mess with point since
1986...
Greg

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To: gregs672liter at netzero.net, hallosb at juno.com
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:15:12 -0400


That's a condenser isn't it?

Linda


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Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
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Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor

Try changing out your balast resistor on the side of the distributor, even if
new.  I've seen this exact problem caused by this on a friends 1600.
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 02:23:08 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] jccs pictures 2009
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From cookefam314 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 07:35:37 2009
From: cookefam314 at gmail.com (Dave Cooke)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:35:37 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
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I had a similar problem this spring with my 68 1600. One day it was driving
fine, the next it was backfiring, missing and basically was all of a sudden
running like crap. I tried replacing all the simple things like plugs,
wires, coil, points. I checked the timing & dwell. All this troubleshooting
took several days & nothing improved, I felt like I was chasing the problem
around the engine bay...I finally bit the bullet & bought one of Dave
Brisco's electronic distributors. It showed up in about a week & in one
evening I had it installed and with a turn of the key, it fired right up &
purred like a kitten. Who would have thought that the old distributor would
go wacky in one day...I would have assumed an old distributor would get
progressively worse over time, not in one day. Anyways, I love the new
Electronic Dizzy, best upgrade to the roadster you can do. I
highly recommend !
-Dave Cooke
Midwest Roadsters

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:12 AM, gregs672liter at netzero.net <
gregs672liter at netzero.net> wrote:

> Um, ya what ever it's called... I haven't had to mess with point since
> 1986...
> Greg
>
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> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:15:12 -0400
>
>
> That's a condenser isn't it?
>
> Linda
>
>
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> To: hallosb at juno.com
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> Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
>
> Try changing out your balast resistor on the side of the distributor, even
> if
> new.  I've seen this exact problem caused by this on a friends 1600.
> Greg Burrows
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From rksmith46 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  5 08:39:03 2009
From: rksmith46 at hotmail.com (robert k. smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:39:03 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
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hi dan, if there isnt play(side to side) in the dist, shaft, then i

would take the points plate off, and look at the mech. advance

 springs. you might find one broken, or the spring attaching

holes might be worn. also, ck. the grounding wire from the

points plate, to the dist. housing.  good luck, bob smith ohio



>
> From: hallosb at juno.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:21:48 +0000
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
>
> I think my problem is my distributor. I found another cap and rotor then,
went
> to grab my coil wire from my old Chevy to have a complete set of fresh plug
> wires. While I was there, I checked the play in the Chevy distributor
rotor.
> When you twist it lightly and let it go, the springs snap it right back to
the
> home position. When you try the same trick on the Datsun distributor, the
> rotor has lots of slop in it.
>
> I'm thinking my distributor is worn and causing my backfire problem. The
> engine idles smooth as glass. Engine timing is 16 BTDC on the nose. Dwell
> angle 51 degrees. As soon as you rev it up, it misses and backfires.
>
> What do you think??
>
> Thanks,
> Dan McHatton
> '66 1600
 		 	   		  
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 09:17:04 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:17:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
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No. The condenser and ballast resistor are totally different electrical components (resistor vs capacitor) with totally different functions in ignition systems. 

Pete 

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Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 11:12:57 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor 

Um, ya what ever it's called... I haven't had to mess with point since 
1986... 
Greg 

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Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor 
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:15:12 -0400 


That's a condenser isn't it? 

Linda 


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Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:27 pm 
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor 

Try changing out your ballast resistor on the side of the distributor, even if 
new. I've seen this exact problem caused by this on a friends 1600. 
Greg Burrowssters 

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Mon Oct  5 09:24:07 2009
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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:24:07 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] jccs pictures 2009
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 Great pics and presentation! Love Keith Urban.
Thanks!

Linda


 


 

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From nmleeds at mindspring.com  Mon Oct  5 09:50:21 2009
From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:50:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine in -- but no start -- hit list needed
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All,

About two months ago my cam broke.  At that time the car was running.  I got a new cam, and a new head.  Finally got them in, and the car won't start.

I've tried what I think are the basics:  

1) yelling
2) running the distributor through its swing to see if I could get a catch.
3) confirming spark 
4) confirming gas pressure to the carb
5) confirming spark plug wire orientation

Here's where I'm stuck up.  

I was pretty careful about keeping the timing gear at the same place on the chain, but I'd like to confirm that I've not screwed the mechanical timing.  

I still have some slack in the upper tensioner which makes it a little difficult to see where things are. And -- since I don't know what the hell I'm doing -- I could use a walk through about what top-dead on crank and cam shaft look like  (i.e. is TDC when the cam pully knotch is at the indicator, or at 12 o'clock; and where should the cam lobes / gear orientation pin be at that point?)

Another possible problem would be the SU carbs.  I tried to store them oriented properly -- but my brother shuffled them around the garage a little/

Could I get the group wisdom on what what I should check and do as far as diagnostics.

Nathaniel Leeds
1969 2000 - SU
Garaged 
Brother's garage, Berkeley, CA

From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:17:37 2009
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:17:37 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
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> Dan McHatton
>
> I think my problem is my distributor. I found another cap and rotor then,
went
> to grab my coil wire from my old Chevy to have a complete set of fresh
plug
> wires. While I was there, I checked the play in the Chevy distributor
rotor.
> When you twist it lightly and let it go, the springs snap it right back to
the
> home position. When you try the same trick on the Datsun distributor, the
> rotor has lots of slop in it.
>
> I'm thinking my distributor is worn and causing my backfire problem. The
> engine idles smooth as glass. Engine timing is 16 BTDC on the nose. Dwell
> angle 51 degrees. As soon as you rev it up, it misses and backfires.
>
First, I'm pretty sure even without checking that your dwell is way off.
IIRC, it should be around 30 degrees and it should be set before you set
timing. Then the timing mark should remain stable at any RPM as you rev the
engine. Yes, it should move (smoothly) as RPMs increase but any time you
hold an engine speed  the mark should not jump around, but stay in one spot,
until you change engine speed again. There are a number of reasons for
timing instability, including play in the distributor shaft or drive gears,
a breaker/advance plate that's worn out, etc.

HTH,
Ron

From pat at hornesystemstx.com  Mon Oct  5 10:50:58 2009
From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:50:58 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine in -- but no start -- hit list needed
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To get a rough idea if the cam timing is correct, check compression. If 
it is up, then the cam is probably times at least close to where it 
should be.

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake nmleeds at mindspring.com, On 10/5/2009 10:50 AM:
> All,
>
> About two months ago my cam broke.  At that time the car was running.  I got a new cam, and a new head.  Finally got them in, and the car won't start.
>
> I've tried what I think are the basics:  
>
> 1) yelling
> 2) running the distributor through its swing to see if I could get a catch.
> 3) confirming spark 
> 4) confirming gas pressure to the carb
> 5) confirming spark plug wire orientation
>
> Here's where I'm stuck up.  
>
> I was pretty careful about keeping the timing gear at the same place on the chain, but I'd like to confirm that I've not screwed the mechanical timing.  
>
> I still have some slack in the upper tensioner which makes it a little difficult to see where things are. And -- since I don't know what the hell I'm doing -- I could use a walk through about what top-dead on crank and cam shaft look like  (i.e. is TDC when the cam pully knotch is at the indicator, or at 12 o'clock; and where should the cam lobes / gear orientation pin be at that point?)
>
> Another possible problem would be the SU carbs.  I tried to store them oriented properly -- but my brother shuffled them around the garage a little/
>
> Could I get the group wisdom on what what I should check and do as far as diagnostics.
>
> Nathaniel Leeds
> 1969 2000 - SU
> Garaged 
> Brother's garage, Berkeley, CA
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From nmleeds at mindspring.com  Mon Oct  5 11:36:34 2009
From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:36:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Roadsters] Crank Shaft Pully Bolt Size? ('69 2000)
Message-ID: <7110472.1254764194239.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Anyone know this off to top of their head -- access is limited and I don't want to go out and order every large socket size known to man/machine. 

'69 2000.

From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 12:05:29 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:05:29 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine in -- but no start -- hit list needed
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At TDC, the timing mark on the front cover will be pointing at the big notch
on the crank vibration damper (assuming the damper hasn't failed and allowed
the outer portion to rotate relative to the crank).

At TDC on the compression stroke for #1 cylinder, the locating pin on the
cam gear will be at the 12 o'clock position and the cam lobes for that
cylinder will be forming a V with the exhaust lobe tipped towards the
manifold side and the intake lobe tipped the other way.

If these don't match up, there's a problem.

Gordon Glasgow
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Subject: [Roadsters] Engine in -- but no start -- hit list needed

All,

About two months ago my cam broke.  At that time the car was running.  I got
a new cam, and a new head.  Finally got them in, and the car won't start.

I've tried what I think are the basics:  

1) yelling
2) running the distributor through its swing to see if I could get a catch.
3) confirming spark 
4) confirming gas pressure to the carb
5) confirming spark plug wire orientation

Here's where I'm stuck up.  

I was pretty careful about keeping the timing gear at the same place on the
chain, but I'd like to confirm that I've not screwed the mechanical timing.


I still have some slack in the upper tensioner which makes it a little
difficult to see where things are. And -- since I don't know what the hell
I'm doing -- I could use a walk through about what top-dead on crank and cam
shaft look like  (i.e. is TDC when the cam pully knotch is at the indicator,
or at 12 o'clock; and where should the cam lobes / gear orientation pin be
at that point?)

Another possible problem would be the SU carbs.  I tried to store them
oriented properly -- but my brother shuffled them around the garage a
little/

Could I get the group wisdom on what what I should check and do as far as
diagnostics.

Nathaniel Leeds
1969 2000 - SU
Garaged 
Brother's garage, Berkeley, CA
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 12:07:30 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:07:30 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Crank Shaft Pully Bolt Size? ('69 2000)
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The socket size is 1-1/16".

Gordon Glasgow

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Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:37 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Crank Shaft Pully Bolt Size? ('69 2000)

Anyone know this off to top of their head -- access is limited and I don't
want to go out and order every large socket size known to man/machine. 

'69 2000.
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From andycost at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct  5 12:20:44 2009
From: andycost at embarqmail.com (Embarq Customer)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:20:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Engine in -- but no start -- hit list needed
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At top dead center the cam #1 and #2 lobes should be pointing at 10:00 and 2:00 when looking from the front.  If they are 11:00 and 3:00 then you know you are off a little.  Beware of crank pulleys that the outer ring has slipped from the inner ring.  I've had a couple where the timing mark was not right because the outer ring slipped.  You can take out the #1 plug and put a screwdriver or other long poker in the hole and resting on top of the piston.  Crank it over by hand and feel the screwdriver to see where it tops out.  You should also verify the spark plugs wires are hooked up in the correct order.  I chased a non-starter for a while until I figured out that the distributor was out by 180 degrees and two of the wires were swapped.

Andy

From cookefam314 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 15:41:53 2009
From: cookefam314 at gmail.com (Dave Cooke)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:41:53 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] 68-70 Replacement wiper blades
Message-ID: <83a7d2520910051441g763cd29by39858d0e119da5ba@mail.gmail.com>

Believe it our not my 68 1600 has winter wiper blades on it & it just looks
ridiculous. I found this info on the Rallye website
http://www.datsunroadster.info/PIC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/wiperblade_68-70_info.htm
 but it seems that original looking wiper blades are impossible to find.
Does anyone have a source for these? I'd like to get something in silver on
my car other that what they have at my local Auto Zone.

From aultgc at att.net  Mon Oct  5 19:09:12 2009
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
References: <20091004.102148.19254.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com><BAY124-W227677B57E150F4C1A066ABFCF0@phx.gbl>
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Ron,

His dwell is fine.  The  standard dwell value for roadsters is variously 
stated in the Nissan manual as 50-54 degrees, 49-55 degrees and 50 to 55 
degrees.  These values are consistent with a point gap of 0.018 to 0.020 for 
the Hitachi distributor.  I try for the lower end of the range since the 
dwell increases as the rubbing block wears.

Gary
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To: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor


>> Dan McHatton
>>
>> I think my problem is my distributor. I found another cap and rotor then,
> went
>> to grab my coil wire from my old Chevy to have a complete set of fresh
> plug
>> wires. While I was there, I checked the play in the Chevy distributor
> rotor.
>> When you twist it lightly and let it go, the springs snap it right back 
>> to
> the
>> home position. When you try the same trick on the Datsun distributor, the
>> rotor has lots of slop in it.
>>
>> I'm thinking my distributor is worn and causing my backfire problem. The
>> engine idles smooth as glass. Engine timing is 16 BTDC on the nose. Dwell
>> angle 51 degrees. As soon as you rev it up, it misses and backfires.
>>
> First, I'm pretty sure even without checking that your dwell is way off.
> IIRC, it should be around 30 degrees and it should be set before you set
> timing. Then the timing mark should remain stable at any RPM as you rev 
> the
> engine. Yes, it should move (smoothly) as RPMs increase but any time you
> hold an engine speed  the mark should not jump around, but stay in one 
> spot,
> until you change engine speed again. There are a number of reasons for
> timing instability, including play in the distributor shaft or drive 
> gears,
> a breaker/advance plate that's worn out, etc.
>
> HTH,
> Ron
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From jeep007jonathan at msn.com  Mon Oct  5 20:47:49 2009
From: jeep007jonathan at msn.com (Jonathan W. Longo)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:47:49 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] oil pump/oil pump gasket and pan gasket
Message-ID: <BLU104-W26EE38383EB5A360BE201AF1CE0@phx.gbl>

hello listers,
       I'm changing the oil pump and it's gasket and pan gasket on my 67,1600.
going to use Indianhead gasket shalak on the pump gasket and an old timer @
work said to use it on the oil pan gasket as well....is this a good idea to
use it on both sides of the pan gasket ??? Thanks , Jonathan ,67/1600, San
Bernardino , California
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 21:17:14 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:17:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] oil pump/oil pump gasket and pan gasket
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I wouldn't use it on a cork gasket, for sure. It's listed as "hard setting"
so I wouldn't use it on the pan gasket.

Gordon Glasgow

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Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:48 PM
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Subject: [Roadsters] oil pump/oil pump gasket and pan gasket

hello listers,
       I'm changing the oil pump and it's gasket and pan gasket on my
67,1600.
going to use Indianhead gasket shalak on the pump gasket and an old timer @
work said to use it on the oil pan gasket as well....is this a good idea to
use it on both sides of the pan gasket ??? Thanks , Jonathan ,67/1600, San
Bernardino , California
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From aultgc at att.net  Mon Oct  5 22:00:49 2009
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:00:49 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] oil pump/oil pump gasket and pan gasket
References: <BLU104-W26EE38383EB5A360BE201AF1CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A370BCA495F24677A89BCE616C9526B8@gaxp1>

My preference is Permatex RTV sealant for the pan gasket.  The shellac is OK 
for the pump gasket.

Toreu value for the oil pan bolts (machine screws) is only 3.5 ft-lbs.  Be 
careful not to overtighten.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan W. Longo" <jeep007jonathan at msn.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>; "Jonathan W. Longo" 
<jeep007jonathan at msn.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:47 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] oil pump/oil pump gasket and pan gasket


> hello listers,
>       I'm changing the oil pump and it's gasket and pan gasket on my 
> 67,1600.
> going to use Indianhead gasket shalak on the pump gasket and an old timer 
> @
> work said to use it on the oil pan gasket as well....is this a good idea 
> to
> use it on both sides of the pan gasket ??? Thanks , Jonathan ,67/1600, San
> Bernardino , California
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From hallosb at juno.com  Mon Oct  5 22:51:28 2009
From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 04:51:28 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
Message-ID: <20091005.215128.18288.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks for all the responses. After fiddling with it for 2 days, I put the
troubleshooting on hold. I really need to get my car to the body shop. I hope
to have the motor out by next weekend and my car into the body shop next
Monday.

I'm going to put the engine on  a stand to paint it. I'll check the advance
springs and let you know what I find.

Thanks again,
Dan McHatton
'66 1600

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
To: <hallosb at juno.com>, <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:07:03 -0700

Put a timing light on it and watch what happens when you (or a helper) rev
it up. Does the advance jump all over the place or does it advance smoothly?

Gordon Glasgow
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Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:22 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor

I think my problem is my distributor.

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From bubwin at mts.net  Tue Oct  6 03:29:32 2009
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 04:29:32 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
In-Reply-To: <199905066.236581254755824058.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <199905066.236581254755824058.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <95D0DDE060DE429C84884DB128BB8B7B@ownerPC>

Usually when a ballast resistor fails the engine starts, then dies as soon 
as you release the key to the run position.

The ballast resistor reduces voltage to the coil to help save the points. 
There is a crank bypass circuit that provides cranking (battery) voltage 
when cranking to give lots of juice to start. Once you release the key, the 
ballast resistor is fed from the "B" terminal on the starter. as it heats up 
the resistance increases, dropping the voltage, saving the points.

The condenser basically absorbs any voltage spikes on the primary side of 
the coil when the points open to cause a spark.  This all but eliminates an 
arc as the points are beginning to open.  Otherwise full voltage could jump 
the air gap a bit and reduce the effectiveness of the spark, and delay spark 
timing

Bob Winslade
1966-1600 "Missy" getting a KA24E
1967-1600 "Bender" on hold
1972-510 "Daisy" Regular driver
1972-510 "Spare Change" not sure yet
1993-240SX "Essex"  new toy I bought for Mamma (supposed to be a KA24DE 
donor but it's too nice and needs little)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Peters" <ppeters914 at comcast.net>
To: "Datsun Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor


> No. The condenser and ballast resistor are totally different electrical 
> components (resistor vs capacitor) with totally different functions in 
> ignition systems.
>
> Pete
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: gregs672liter at netzero.net
> To: ljordan704 at netscape.net
> Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 11:12:57 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
>
> Um, ya what ever it's called... I haven't had to mess with point since
> 1986...
> Greg
>
> ---------- Original Message ---------- 
> From: ljordan704 at netscape.net
> To: gregs672liter at netzero.net, hallosb at juno.com
> Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:15:12 -0400
>
>
> That's a condenser isn't it?
>
> Linda
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: gregs672liter at netzero.net <gregs672liter at netzero.net>
> To: hallosb at juno.com
> Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was Engine test results, suspect distributor
>
> Try changing out your ballast resistor on the side of the distributor, 
> even if
> new. I've seen this exact problem caused by this on a friends 1600.
> Greg Burrowssters
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From pat at hornesystemstx.com  Tue Oct  6 08:16:27 2009
From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:16:27 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] oil pump/oil pump gasket and pan gasket
In-Reply-To: <BLU104-W26EE38383EB5A360BE201AF1CE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU104-W26EE38383EB5A360BE201AF1CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ACB513B.7010108@hornesystemstx.com>

I'm not a big fan of shellac because it dries hard and can crack over 
time. My favorite gasket sealer for the last 40+ years has been Permatex 
#3 - also known as Aviation Form-a-Gasket. It is non-hardening.

On gaskets between parts, such as oil pump to engine, I'd use it on both 
sides of the gasket. On pan gaskets I prefer to glue the gasket to only 
one surface, generally the sheet metal surface, rather than the machined 
block surface. Since this is a cork gasket just light tightening should 
make the gasket seal, while the gasket sealer will hold the gasket in 
place until the pan is tightened.

I just went to the Permatex web site and it seems that they recommend 
Permatex #2 for pan and valve cover gaskets. I haven't tried this 
sealer, but will next time I have an engine open.

BTW, Permatex lists their part numbers as 3H or 2A, etc. The letter 
following the number indicates the size of the container and has nothing 
to do with the composition of the sealer.

Back in my early days with air-cooled VWs, I used the form-a-gasket to 
hold the cork gaskets to the sheet metal valve covers and didn't use any 
sealer between those gaskets and the heads. Never had a leak at those 
locations.

Peace,
Pat


Thusly spake Jonathan W. Longo, On 10/5/2009 9:47 PM:
> hello listers,
>        I'm changing the oil pump and it's gasket and pan gasket on my 67,1600.
> going to use Indianhead gasket shalak on the pump gasket and an old timer @
> work said to use it on the oil pan gasket as well....is this a good idea to
> use it on both sides of the pan gasket ??? Thanks , Jonathan ,67/1600, San
> Bernardino , California
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From andycost at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct  6 08:48:56 2009
From: andycost at embarqmail.com (Embarq Customer)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:48:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] oil pump/oil pump gasket and pan gasket
In-Reply-To: <4ACB513B.7010108@hornesystemstx.com>
Message-ID: <2113667863.104541254840536693.JavaMail.root@md20.embarq.synacor.com>

I like 3Bond.  Also called Yamabond.

Andy

From dboerst at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 17:28:04 2009
From: dboerst at yahoo.com (David Boerst)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:28:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Thermostat housing
Message-ID: <407727.69824.qm@web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I have a 1969 SPL311 that I am puting together. It is a matching numbers car. I was a parts car but I have 5 others so I am "trying" to build 2 out of the 5. I need a complete housing set up. Anyone have one they would sell?

From cookefam314 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 07:00:42 2009
From: cookefam314 at gmail.com (Dave Cooke)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:00:42 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters]  (68-70 wiper blades ?)
Message-ID: <83a7d2520910070600m766d4dbhb63dd8977b6147d5@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry if this was posted twice, but I didn't see it go thru the first time I
posted it, so I'm re-posting...

Believe it our not my 68 1600 has winter wiper blades on it & it just looks
ridiculous. I found this info on the Rallye website
http://www.datsunroadster.info/PIC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/wiperblade_68-70_info.htm
 but it seems that original looking wiper blades are impossible to find.
Does anyone have a source for these? I'd like to get something in silver on
my car other that what they have at my local Auto Zone.

From mkall at q-marketing.com  Wed Oct  7 12:36:27 2009
From: mkall at q-marketing.com (Matt  Kall)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:36:27 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] looking shift plate and center console
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1254938403.15435.datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <ODEMLOGKJCGHMNFMKEFBKEHILIAA.mkall@q-marketing.com>

any chance you have a decent center console and a 5spd shift plate cover in
any of those part cars?

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:28:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Boerst <dboerst at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Roadsters] Thermostat housing
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I have a 1969 SPL311 that I am puting together. It is a matching numbers
car. I was a parts car but I have 5 others so I am "trying" to build 2 out
of the 5. I need a complete housing set up. Anyone have one they would sell?


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:00:42 -0500
From: Dave Cooke <cookefam314 at gmail.com>
Subject: [Roadsters]  (68-70 wiper blades ?)
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Message-ID:
	<83a7d2520910070600m766d4dbhb63dd8977b6147d5 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Sorry if this was posted twice, but I didn't see it go thru the first time I
posted it, so I'm re-posting...

Believe it our not my 68 1600 has winter wiper blades on it & it just looks
ridiculous. I found this info on the Rallye website
http://www.datsunroadster.info/PIC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/wiperblade_68-70_i
nfo.htm
 but it seems that original looking wiper blades are impossible to find.
Does anyone have a source for these? I'd like to get something in silver on
my car other that what they have at my local Auto Zone.


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From dboerst at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 13:48:26 2009
From: dboerst at yahoo.com (David Boerst)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:48:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Electronic Distributer
Message-ID: <804268.57251.qm@web58605.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

What cars/engines do I need to look for to convert my womans 1966 SPL311? What will it take to do the swap?

From eddietude at socal.rr.com  Wed Oct  7 14:18:32 2009
From: eddietude at socal.rr.com (Eddie)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:18:32 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Electronic Distributer
In-Reply-To: <804268.57251.qm@web58605.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <804268.57251.qm@web58605.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACCF798.2050605@socal.rr.com>

Convert it to what? 

I've seen everything put in a roadster... from other small 4 cylinder 
engines to Chevy 350's....

It's all relative...

You might want to look at 311s.org

Eddie

David Boerst wrote:
> What cars/engines do I need to look for to convert my womans 1966 SPL311? What will it take to do the swap?
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Wed Oct  7 22:42:19 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 04:42:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] Electronic Distributer
In-Reply-To: <4ACCF798.2050605@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <545006203.1521171254976939163.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

What Eddie said....please be specific. On the assumption you're asking about converting the stock points distributor to electronic ignition, there are several options. Start here: 

<http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.Ignition> 

Pete 

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From: "Eddie" <eddietude at socal.rr.com> 
To: "David Boerst" <dboerst at yahoo.com> 
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:18:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Electronic Distributer 

Convert it to what? 

I've seen everything put in a roadster... from other small 4 cylinder 
engines to Chevy 350's.... 

It's all relative... 

You might want to look at 311s.org 

Eddie 

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From dboerst at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 09:30:55 2009
From: dboerst at yahoo.com (David Boerst)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:30:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
Message-ID: <755949.38969.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I posted about a electronic distributor and got engine swap ideas. Thank you Eddie and Paul but what I am looking for, is it possible to put in an electronic distributor in a 1600 engine? If so what engines would I need to look for to make the swap. I am tired of points. Is there a aftermarket kit?

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 09:46:47 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 8:46:47 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
Message-ID: <20091008114647.VI5DG.210875.root@mp06>

Earlier this year someone said something to the effect: 

If I had known how many times I would be removing the seats, I would have installed push pins (<---???) for easy seat removal. 

Does any one remember this, or remember saying this? What was being referred to? 

Thanks

Looking to speed up and make easier the removal of the seats in my 2000.

Tim 
Dairyland Datsuns

From eddietude at socal.rr.com  Thu Oct  8 10:03:26 2009
From: eddietude at socal.rr.com (Eddie)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:03:26 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
In-Reply-To: <755949.38969.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <755949.38969.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACE0D4E.8040409@socal.rr.com>

Dave Brisco makes an electronic ignition for the 1600 that normally 
comes in a Roadster..

(BTW, if you re-read what you wrote, it sounds like you're talking about 
swapping engines)

If your goal is to have an electronic distributor, there is no need to 
swap the engine.  Just swap out the distributor.

Eddie

David Boerst wrote:
> I posted about a electronic distributor and got engine swap ideas. Thank you Eddie and Paul but what I am looking for, is it possible to put in an electronic distributor in a 1600 engine? If so what engines would I need to look for to make the swap. I am tired of points. Is there a aftermarket kit?
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From pat at hornesystemstx.com  Thu Oct  8 10:13:06 2009
From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:13:06 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
In-Reply-To: <755949.38969.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <755949.38969.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACE0F92.40209@hornesystemstx.com>

There is no drop-in swap that can be done, all electronic distributors 
will need to be modified to work on our cars.

There is an electronic module that can be installed in our distributors 
to get rid of the points, but I believe too many folks had trouble with 
reliability. It is made by Pertronics. I don't recall the part number, 
but I'll bet it is in the archives, or on 311s.org.

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake David Boerst, On 10/8/2009 10:30 AM:
> I posted about a electronic distributor and got engine swap ideas. Thank you Eddie and Paul but what I am looking for, is it possible to put in an electronic distributor in a 1600 engine? If so what engines would I need to look for to make the swap. I am tired of points. Is there a aftermarket kit?
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 10:26:13 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:26:13 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
In-Reply-To: <20091008114647.VI5DG.210875.root@mp06>
References: <20091008114647.VI5DG.210875.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <001f01ca4834$0e7ca730$2b75f590$@net>

I missed that comment, but it might have been referring to using something
like hood pins. This, however, would definitely NOT be a good idea in real
life, since those pins aren't designed to take any real load, as might be
experienced in an accident.

Gordon Glasgow
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[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:47 AM
To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal

Earlier this year someone said something to the effect: 

If I had known how many times I would be removing the seats, I would have
installed push pins (<---???) for easy seat removal. 

Does any one remember this, or remember saying this? What was being referred
to? 

Thanks

Looking to speed up and make easier the removal of the seats in my 2000.

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From eddietude at socal.rr.com  Thu Oct  8 10:27:13 2009
From: eddietude at socal.rr.com (Eddie)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:27:13 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
In-Reply-To: <20091008114647.VI5DG.210875.root@mp06>
References: <20091008114647.VI5DG.210875.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <4ACE12E1.7050502@socal.rr.com>

I'd be careful with that.  Seats removing themselves at an inopportune 
moment could be problematic... :-)

Eddie

Tim wrote:
> Earlier this year someone said something to the effect: 
>
> If I had known how many times I would be removing the seats, I would have installed push pins (<---???) for easy seat removal. 
>
> Does any one remember this, or remember saying this? What was being referred to? 
>
> Thanks
>
> Looking to speed up and make easier the removal of the seats in my 2000.
>
> Tim 
> Dairyland Datsuns
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From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  8 11:12:24 2009
From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
In-Reply-To: <001f01ca4834$0e7ca730$2b75f590$@net>
Message-ID: <3049.27131.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What fastener would the proposed push pins be replacing? If it's the bolts
securing the seat to the slide or the slide rails to the floor, this wouldn't
be a good idea (I'm going from a look at the Parts Book microfiche - I haven't
looked at the seat installation in my car).

Ball-lock pins are designed to be loaded in shear, but they don't secure
components axially like a cinched-down bolt and nut, and the lateral movement
that would result from the necessary assembly clearance would be undesirable
in a seat installation.

Gary McCormick
San Jose, CA
b70 2000, SRL311-13291

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
To: "'Tim'" <tputland at charter.net>, "'datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net'"
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 9:26 AM

I missed that comment, but it might have been referring to using something
like hood pins. This, however, would definitely NOT be a good idea in real
life, since those pins aren't designed to take any real load, as might be
experienced in an accident.

Gordon Glasgow
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[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:47 AM
To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal

Earlier this year someone said something to the effect:

If I had known how many times I would be removing the seats, I would have
installed push pins (<---???) for easy seat removal.

Does any one remember this, or remember saying this? What was being referred
to?

Thanks

Looking to speed up and make easier the removal of the seats in my 2000.

Tim
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 11:14:15 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:14:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
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I replied last night, but it didn't go through. A ton of information on 311s.org, so I always recommend checking there. For converting the stock points distributor to electronic ignition, there are several options. Start here: 

<http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.Ignition> 

Pete "happily points free since 2005"

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Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:30:55 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600 

I posted about a electronic distributor and got engine swap ideas. Thank you Eddie and Paul but what I am looking for, is it possible to put in an electronic distributor in a 1600 engine? If so what engines would I need to look for to make the swap. I am tired of points. Is there a aftermarket kit? 
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From alagams at juno.com  Thu Oct  8 11:13:43 2009
From: alagams at juno.com (alagams at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:13:43 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
Message-ID: <20091008.131343.19487.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>

I run a Dave Brisco EI and never had a problem.

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Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:30:55 -0700 (PDT)

I posted about a electronic distributor and got engine swap ideas. Thank you
Eddie and Paul but what I am looking for, is it possible to put in an
electronic distributor in a 1600 engine? If so what engines would I need to
look for to make the swap. I am tired of points. Is there a aftermarket kit?
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From RWM at RWMann.com  Thu Oct  8 12:02:33 2009
From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:02:33 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
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From jim at seattle-attorney.com  Thu Oct  8 12:08:32 2009
From: jim at seattle-attorney.com (Jim Anable)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:08:32 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
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Pat Horne wrote:
> There is no drop-in swap that can be done, all electronic distributors 
> will need to be modified to work on our cars.
>
> There is an electronic module that can be installed in our 
> distributors to get rid of the points, but I believe too many folks 
> had trouble with reliability. It is made by Pertronics. I don't recall 
> the part number, but I'll bet it is in the archives, or on 311s.org. 
I've been running a Pertronix in my 2000 for the last 3 or 4 summers, 
with no problems.

From svedise at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 13:39:21 2009
From: svedise at hotmail.com (Jim Svedise)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:39:21 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
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I been running a Crane fireball ignition kit (XR700 I think if you need to I 
will go out and check it for you) with a high output coil from Summit for 
about 6 years now. Works great no problems and easy to install.
Jim
70 2000


> I replied last night, but it didn't go through. A ton of information on 
> 311s.org, so I always recommend checking there. For converting the stock 
> points distributor to electronic ignition, there are several options. 
> Start here:
>
> <http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.Ignition>
>
> Pete "happily points free since 2005"
>
>
> I posted about a electronic distributor and got engine swap ideas. Thank 
> you Eddie and Paul but what I am looking for, is it possible to put in an 
> electronic distributor in a 1600 engine? If so what engines would I need 
> to look for to make the swap. I am tired of points. Is there a aftermarket 
> kit?

From RWM at RWMann.com  Thu Oct  8 13:42:53 2009
From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:42:53 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
In-Reply-To: <3049.27131.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <3049.27131.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACE40BD.4060109@RWMann.com>

Not to mention you'd have to drill the existing seat bolts to fit the 
push/pop-pins. 

There is not enough meat there for comfort -- on either bolt or pin.



Gary McCormick wrote:
> What fastener would the proposed push pins be replacing? If it's the bolts
> securing the seat to the slide or the slide rails to the floor, this wouldn't
> be a good idea (I'm going from a look at the Parts Book microfiche - I haven't
> looked at the seat installation in my car).
>
> Ball-lock pins are designed to be loaded in shear, but they don't secure
> components axially like a cinched-down bolt and nut, and the lateral movement
> that would result from the necessary assembly clearance would be undesirable
> in a seat installation.
>
> Gary McCormick
> San Jose, CA
> b70 2000, SRL311-13291
>
> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
> To: "'Tim'" <tputland at charter.net>, "'datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net'"
> <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 9:26 AM
>
> I missed that comment, but it might have been referring to using something
> like hood pins. This, however, would definitely NOT be a good idea in real
> life, since those pins aren't designed to take any real load, as might be
> experienced in an accident.
>
> Gordon Glasgow
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:47 AM
> To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net
> Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
>
> Earlier this year someone said something to the effect:
>
> If I had known how many times I would be removing the seats, I would have
> installed push pins (<---???) for easy seat removal.
>
> Does any one remember this, or remember saying this? What was being referred
> to?
>
> Thanks
>
> Looking to speed up and make easier the removal of the seats in my 2000.
>
> Tim
> Dairyland Datsuns
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From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:50:29 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
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 The Pertronix predates the EI dizzy conversion , but you have to have the correct coil, ballast resistor etc to have it work properly. I believe there is also info on this swap on 311 as well. It is a cheaper option than the EIdizzy.

Linda


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Anable <jim at seattle-attorney.com>
To: pat at hornesystemstx.com
Cc: David Boerst <dboerst at yahoo.com>; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:08 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600









Pat Horne wrote:?

> There is no drop-in swap that can be done, all electronic distributors 
> will need to be modified to work on our cars.?

>?

> There is an electronic module that can be installed in our 
> distributors to get rid of the points, but I believe too many folks 
> had trouble with reliability. It is made by Pertronics. I don't recall 
> the part number, but I'll bet it is in the archives, or on 311s.org. 
I've been running a Pertronix in my 2000 for the last 3 or 4 summers, 
with no problems.?

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From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Thu Oct  8 13:59:11 2009
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS))
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:59:11 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] seat removal, pin usage
Message-ID: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F84510319D551@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>

OK, that was me that made that remark some time ago.  My wiring woes
have lead to lots of underdash gyrations, so lots of seat removal.
All are correct, any sort of ball-lock pins are only good in shear, so
you'd have to cut off the studs off the bottom of the seats, weld on
flat tabs with a  hole in the bottom, and then install the pin so that
it was parallel to the floor.  You'd also want to make washers that had
slots instead of holes, to mate with the flat tabs sticking down.
This would leave you no cinch-up, so there would be some play, which
would not only be annoying, but when they were finally impact-loaded,
would be prone to breaking, and would be prone to ripping the
floorboard.
Simpler / easier?  No.  Safer? No.
Just an idea, not necessarily a "good" idea.
With all that trouble, I think I'd just weld on larger studs (not so
prone to stripping), and use nylocks (like I do now)
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 15:01:44 2009
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:01:44 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
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I took off my points and went with The Pertronix before I did the EI Dizzy.
I used the sane Bosch coil that was there with the points, by-passed
the ballast and it was great, drove the heck out of it. Then I stepped up
once more and up-graded to the Brisco EI Dizzy, it was an awesome move.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:50 PM, <ljordan704 at netscape.net> wrote:

>  The Pertronix predates the EI dizzy conversion , but you have to have the
> correct coil, ballast resistor etc to have it work properly. I believe there
> is also info on this swap on 311 as well. It is a cheaper option than the
> EIdizzy.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Anable <jim at seattle-attorney.com>
> To: pat at hornesystemstx.com
> Cc: David Boerst <dboerst at yahoo.com>; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:08 am
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Change points to Electronic on 1600
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pat Horne wrote:?
>
> > There is no drop-in swap that can be done, all electronic distributors
> > will need to be modified to work on our cars.?
>
> >?
>
> > There is an electronic module that can be installed in our
> > distributors to get rid of the points, but I believe too many folks
> > had trouble with reliability. It is made by Pertronics. I don't recall
> > the part number, but I'll bet it is in the archives, or on 311s.org.
> I've been running a Pertronix in my 2000 for the last 3 or 4 summers,
> with no problems.?
>
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From hallosb at juno.com  Thu Oct  8 15:12:42 2009
From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:12:42 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Differential plug / drive shaft
Message-ID: <20091008.141242.25261.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

This weekend, I'll be pulling the driveshaft in preparation for pulling the
motor/tranny.  Before I start, I have two questions.

1. Is it necessary to mark the position of the driveshaft in relation to the
differential and/or transmission? I've removed driveshafts many times.
Sometimes I remember to mark them. Sometimes I don't.  I've always wondered if
it really matters. I don't think it does but, I'm interested in other
opinions.

2. My differential drain plug leaks. I've never had this problem on any of my
other cars. I believe the drain plug has pipe thread so, it should seal
itself. When I'm working on cars, I've never been a big fan of adding sealant
or teflon tape on threaded connections.  It seems to me you're just running
the risk of getting goop or tape in the internals. Am I worrying too much? If
you did use sealant on the threads, what would you use?

TIA,
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From eddietude at socal.rr.com  Thu Oct  8 16:08:19 2009
From: eddietude at socal.rr.com (Eddie)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:08:19 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Differential plug / drive shaft
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My opinion, marking the position of the driveshaft isn't a big deal, but 
can't hurt to do it. 

2) The drain plug leaking.  If you put teflon tape ON the threads ONLY, 
it shouldn't get into the internals.  I'd check to see if the threads 
are stripped if it's leaking though...

Eddie



hallosb at juno.com wrote:
> This weekend, I'll be pulling the driveshaft in preparation for pulling the
> motor/tranny.  Before I start, I have two questions.
>
> 1. Is it necessary to mark the position of the driveshaft in relation to the
> differential and/or transmission? I've removed driveshafts many times.
> Sometimes I remember to mark them. Sometimes I don't.  I've always wondered if
> it really matters. I don't think it does but, I'm interested in other
> opinions.
>
> 2. My differential drain plug leaks. I've never had this problem on any of my
> other cars. I believe the drain plug has pipe thread so, it should seal
> itself. When I'm working on cars, I've never been a big fan of adding sealant
> or teflon tape on threaded connections.  It seems to me you're just running
> the risk of getting goop or tape in the internals. Am I worrying too much? If
> you did use sealant on the threads, what would you use?
>
> TIA,
> Dan McHatton
> '66 1600
>
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From cookefam314 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:05:36 2009
From: cookefam314 at gmail.com (Dave Cooke)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:05:36 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] (68-70 wiper blades ?)
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Craig,      Actually I am referring only to the wiper blade assembly (rubber
squeege & metal blade). I have the correct wiper arms, it's just the wiper
blade assembly doesn't look like it should on this period car. I checked my
69 roadster & it just has a black Anco replacement wiper. I guess, I'm
looking for one that's silver or stainless steel. I did find this product
for classic cars on the web at
http://www.motoringclassics.co.uk/bayonet-wiper-blade/p1922 , It shows a 14"
bayonet blade assembly in stainless steel or hand polished. Anyone ever
bought these?


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:56 AM, <chalsted at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> are you looking for the blades or the whole wiper arm from the pivot out.
> if just the rubber blade, easy enough to get a refill. as for the arms, I
> have the arms good used condition if that would help you out
>
> Regards,
>
> Craig Halsted
>



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From cookefam314 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:19:49 2009
From: cookefam314 at gmail.com (Dave Cooke)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] (68-70 wiper blades ?)
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I found a link to the manufacturer, Tex Automotive, but it looks like they
only sell this product in England, no shipping to the US. Here's a photo of
the blade they make for the roadster.
 http://www.texautomotive.com/images/Classic/Wipers/B128.jpg
<http://www.texautomotive.com/images/Classic/Wipers/B128.jpg>

Looks like a nice looking product, now just need to find out how to buy
it...

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Dave Cooke <cookefam314 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Craig,      Actually I am referring only to the wiper blade assembly
> (rubber squeege & metal blade). I have the correct wiper arms, it's just the
> wiper blade assembly doesn't look like it should on this period car. I
> checked my 69 roadster & it just has a black Anco replacement wiper. I
> guess, I'm looking for one that's silver or stainless steel. I did find this
> product for classic cars on the web at
> http://www.motoringclassics.co.uk/bayonet-wiper-blade/p1922 , It shows a
> 14" bayonet blade assembly in stainless steel or hand polished. Anyone ever
> bought these?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:56 AM, <chalsted at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> are you looking for the blades or the whole wiper arm from the pivot out.
>> if just the rubber blade, easy enough to get a refill. as for the arms, I
>> have the arms good used condition if that would help you out
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Craig Halsted
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Dave Cooke
> Midwest Roadsters
>



-- 
Dave Cooke
Midwest Roadsters

From alvingogi at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:51:25 2009
From: alvingogi at hotmail.com (alvin gogineni)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:51:25 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Great coverage of SR powered roadsters at JCCS!
Message-ID: <SNT104-W605BE2F171297F6ECACAB5B5CC0@phx.gbl>

Check out Eric and James' cars....stunning SprisoMotosports creations
http://blog.cardomain.com/2009/10/06/suntory-times-classic-car-show-with-a-ja
panese-twist/
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/07/event-gt-gt-jccs-09-pt-3.aspx Check
out the lead photo on the Road & Track article!
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=33&article_id=8449 Also a
little coverage from the informal Cars & Coffee Meet at dawn:
http://cncpics.com/v/0910/091003_001/
enjoy, and good job Michael and Eric!Alvin Gogineni
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From tputland at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 18:38:41 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Great coverage of SR powered roadsters at JCCS!
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W605BE2F171297F6ECACAB5B5CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091008203841.N1KW3.6543154.root@mp12>

Whose white 69 is that? Beautiful! That is the look I want to do with Dad's car...JDM style.... teardrops no rear markers, etc etc. 

Again, whose is that? PLEASE, EMAIL ME OFF LIST.

drooling on my keyboard

Tim


---- alvin gogineni <alvingogi at hotmail.com> wrote: 

=============
Check out Eric and James' cars....stunning SprisoMotosports creations
http://blog.cardomain.com/2009/10/06/suntory-times-classic-car-show-with-a-ja
panese-twist/
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/07/event-gt-gt-jccs-09-pt-3.aspx Check
out the lead photo on the Road & Track article!
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=33&article_id=8449 Also a
little coverage from the informal Cars & Coffee Meet at dawn:
http://cncpics.com/v/0910/091003_001/
enjoy, and good job Michael and Eric!Alvin Gogineni
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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 18:54:31 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:54:31 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Differential plug / drive shaft
In-Reply-To: <20091008.141242.25261.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091008.141242.25261.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001801ca487b$10aef840$320ce8c0$@net>

On a 1600, it shouldn't be necessary to mark the driveshaft because both
u-joints come out with the driveshaft, thus they can't get out of phase. On
the 2000 it's a different matter, since the front u-joint is attached to the
yoke on the back of the trans and the slip-joint is what comes apart.

Gordon Glasgow
-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
hallosb at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:13 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Differential plug / drive shaft

This weekend, I'll be pulling the driveshaft in preparation for pulling the
motor/tranny.  Before I start, I have two questions.

1. Is it necessary to mark the position of the driveshaft in relation to the
differential and/or transmission? I've removed driveshafts many times.
Sometimes I remember to mark them. Sometimes I don't.  I've always wondered
if
it really matters. I don't think it does but, I'm interested in other
opinions.

2. My differential drain plug leaks. I've never had this problem on any of
my
other cars. I believe the drain plug has pipe thread so, it should seal
itself. When I'm working on cars, I've never been a big fan of adding
sealant
or teflon tape on threaded connections.  It seems to me you're just running
the risk of getting goop or tape in the internals. Am I worrying too much?
If
you did use sealant on the threads, what would you use?

TIA,
Dan McHatton
'66 1600

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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Thu Oct  8 19:25:47 2009
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] (68-70 wiper blades ?)
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References: <83a7d2520910070600m766d4dbhb63dd8977b6147d5@mail.gmail.com><50562419.1618011254923774059.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><83a7d2520910081605je70c375jd5a623a801fd598e@mail.gmail.com>
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 Try the junkyards for a possible match with other Datsuns. 510?
Linda


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cooke <cookefam314 at gmail.com>
To: chalsted at comcast.net; datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] (68-70 wiper blades ?)










I found a link to the manufacturer, Tex Automotive, but it looks like they
only sell this product in England, no shipping to the US. Here's a photo of
the blade they make for the roadster.
 http://www.texautomotive.com/images/Classic/Wipers/B128.jpg
<http://www.texautomotive.com/images/Classic/Wipers/B128.jpg>

Looks like a nice looking product, now just need to find out how to buy
it...

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Dave Cooke <cookefam314 at gmail.com> wrote:

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 22:28:04 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:28:04 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] (68-70 wiper blades ?)
In-Reply-To: <83a7d2520910081619j302691d2q745b3ae046d8b3bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <83a7d2520910070600m766d4dbhb63dd8977b6147d5@mail.gmail.com><50562419.1618011254923774059.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><83a7d2520910081605je70c375jd5a623a801fd598e@mail.gmail.com>
	<83a7d2520910081619j302691d2q745b3ae046d8b3bd@mail.gmail.com>
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Might check with Victoria British, the B-Hive, Moss Motors, and other
British car suppliers. Leigh Brooks (aka shifty) purchased Tex mirrors for
the Rat from one of them:

<http://www.shiftco.com/features/the_rat/rat_022.html>

Pete 

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cooke
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:20 PM
To: chalsted at comcast.net; datsun-roadsters
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] (68-70 wiper blades ?)

I found a link to the manufacturer, Tex Automotive, but it looks like they
only sell this product in England, no shipping to the US. Here's a photo of
the blade they make for the roadster.

<http://www.texautomotive.com/images/Classic/Wipers/B128.jpg>

Looks like a nice looking product, now just need to find out how to buy
it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cooke
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:06 PM
To: chalsted at comcast.net; datsun-roadsters
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] (68-70 wiper blades ?)

Craig,      

Actually I am referring only to the wiper blade assembly (rubber squeege &
metal blade). I have the correct wiper arms, it's just the wiper blade
assembly doesn't look like it should on this period car. I checked my 69
roadster & it just has a black Anco replacement wiper. I guess, I'm looking
for one that's silver or stainless steel. I did find this product for
classic cars on the web at

http://www.motoringclassics.co.uk/bayonet-wiper-blade/p1922>

It shows a 14" bayonet blade assembly in stainless steel or hand polished.
Anyone ever bought these?

--
Dave Cooke
Midwest Roadsters

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:56 AM, <chalsted at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> are you looking for the blades or the whole wiper arm from the pivot out.
> if just the rubber blade, easy enough to get a refill. as for the 
> arms, I have the arms good used condition if that would help you out
>
> Regards,
>
> Craig Halsted

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 22:29:46 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:29:46 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Great coverage of SR powered roadsters at JCCS!
In-Reply-To: <20091008203841.N1KW3.6543154.root@mp12>
References: <SNT104-W605BE2F171297F6ECACAB5B5CC0@phx.gbl>
	<20091008203841.N1KW3.6543154.root@mp12>
Message-ID: <D8F97151B7CF450989686BD522B8E1A5@xp>

That's Eric's car. Thoroughly discussed on 311s.org over the past year or
two.

Pete 

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:39 PM
To: alvin gogineni; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Great coverage of SR powered roadsters at JCCS!

Whose white 69 is that? Beautiful! That is the look I want to do with Dad's
car...JDM style.... teardrops no rear markers, etc etc. 

Again, whose is that? PLEASE, EMAIL ME OFF LIST.

drooling on my keyboard

Tim


---- alvin gogineni <alvingogi at hotmail.com> wrote: 

=============
Check out Eric and James' cars....stunning SprisoMotosports creations
http://blog.cardomain.com/2009/10/06/suntory-times-classic-car-show-with-a-j
a
panese-twist/
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/07/event-gt-gt-jccs-09-pt-3.aspx
Check out the lead photo on the Road & Track article!
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=33&article_id=8449 Also a
little coverage from the informal Cars & Coffee Meet at dawn:
http://cncpics.com/v/0910/091003_001/
enjoy, and good job Michael and Eric!Alvin Gogineni San Jose, CA
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From aultgc at att.net  Thu Oct  8 22:45:43 2009
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:45:43 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Differential plug / drive shaft
References: <20091008.141242.25261.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
	<001801ca487b$10aef840$320ce8c0$@net>
Message-ID: <AF0E1C09E58348C29BAE5409D23D0C9F@gaxp1>

If one disconnects the 2000 driveshaft at the transmission flange, and leave 
it on the car, you won't mess up the phase relationship.  (I pulled the 
engine/trans on my '67-1/2 2000 this spring, and left the drive shaft in 
place.  Yes, getting at the four bolts which hold the driveshaft to the 
trnas flange was difficult, and it took help from underneath to hold things 
together while I reconnected them.  I didn't want to gum up the portion of 
the front yoke which slips into the main part of the driveshaft when I 
pulled things.)

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Glasgow" <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
To: <hallosb at juno.com>; <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Differential plug / drive shaft


> On a 1600, it shouldn't be necessary to mark the driveshaft because both
> u-joints come out with the driveshaft, thus they can't get out of phase. 
> On
> the 2000 it's a different matter, since the front u-joint is attached to 
> the
> yoke on the back of the trans and the slip-joint is what comes apart.
>
> Gordon Glasgow
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> hallosb at juno.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:13 PM
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Roadsters] Differential plug / drive shaft
>
> This weekend, I'll be pulling the driveshaft in preparation for pulling 
> the
> motor/tranny.  Before I start, I have two questions.
>
> 1. Is it necessary to mark the position of the driveshaft in relation to 
> the
> differential and/or transmission? I've removed driveshafts many times.
> Sometimes I remember to mark them. Sometimes I don't.  I've always 
> wondered
> if
> it really matters. I don't think it does but, I'm interested in other
> opinions.
>
> 2. My differential drain plug leaks. I've never had this problem on any of
> my
> other cars. I believe the drain plug has pipe thread so, it should seal
> itself. When I'm working on cars, I've never been a big fan of adding
> sealant
> or teflon tape on threaded connections.  It seems to me you're just 
> running
> the risk of getting goop or tape in the internals. Am I worrying too much?
> If
> you did use sealant on the threads, what would you use?
>
> TIA,
> Dan McHatton
> '66 1600
>
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From Walter.Peterson at cox.net  Fri Oct  9 09:54:09 2009
From: Walter.Peterson at cox.net (Walter Peterson)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:54:09 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
In-Reply-To: <3049.27131.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <001f01ca4834$0e7ca730$2b75f590$@net>
	<3049.27131.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Exploding seat release latches sound like the way to go.  Like those used in
jet fighters or between rocket stages.


Walter Peterson
Santa Barbara Ca, 93109
Street driven race motor
2000 3-Main(R) Solexes,cam etc.
5-Speed & LSD.



-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary McCormick
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:12 AM
To: 'Tim'; 'datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net'; Gordon Glasgow
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] easy seat removal

What fastener would the proposed push pins be replacing? If it's the bolts
securing the seat to the slide or the slide rails to the floor, this
wouldn't
be a good idea (I'm going from a look at the Parts Book microfiche - I
haven't
looked at the seat installation in my car).

Ball-lock pins are designed to be loaded in shear, but they don't secure
components axially like a cinched-down bolt and nut, and the lateral
movement
that would result from the necessary assembly clearance would be undesirable
in a seat installation.

Gary McCormick
San Jose, CA
b70 2000, SRL311-13291

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Gordon Glasgow <gsglasgow at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] easy seat removal
To: "'Tim'" <tputland at charter.net>, "'datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net'"
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 9:26 AM

I missed that comment, but it might have been referring to using something
like hood pins. This, however, would definitely NOT be a good idea in real
life, since those pins aren't designed to take any real load, as might be
experienced in an accident.

Gordon Glasgow
-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:47 AM
To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] easy seat removal

Earlier this year someone said something to the effect:

If I had known how many times I would be removing the seats, I would have
installed push pins (<---???) for easy seat removal.

Does any one remember this, or remember saying this? What was being referred
to?

Thanks

Looking to speed up and make easier the removal of the seats in my 2000.

Tim
Dairyland Datsuns
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From dboerst at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 10:28:21 2009
From: dboerst at yahoo.com (David Boerst)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:28:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Weber Conversion
Message-ID: <738478.61039.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

First thanks to all that responded to the electronic distributor swap. Now I am looking for a Weber swap. Is there a after market setup that works well? Anyone have one for sale?

From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Fri Oct  9 11:29:35 2009
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS))
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:29:35 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] RL411 on LA C-List, $775
Message-ID: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F8451031CD52B@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>

Saw this today, might be of interest to someone.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/1412737895.html

From nmleeds at mindspring.com  Fri Oct  9 11:43:03 2009
From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:43:03 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my fingers off?
Message-ID: <18528398.1255110183467.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

All,

Still trying to start my car.  And, for reasons to numerous to explain(history of jamming), I've been tempted to lift my SU's by hand while I'm trying to start the car. The only risk is that the car has been backfiring through the throttle body.  Not often, but enough to make me concerned that if I stick my hands in there during a start that I'll lose a finger in the bargain.

Any thoughts? What care should I take in handling a throttle body backfire -- are these strong enough to turn tools into weapons?  Take a finger off? . . . 

Nathaniel 
'69 SU, Status: don't ask. 

From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 12:09:03 2009
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:09:03 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Weber Conversion
In-Reply-To: <738478.61039.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <738478.61039.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2faaebf80910091109r16bb019bkae3ef3fdb1840f67@mail.gmail.com>

> First thanks to all that responded to the electronic distributor swap. Now
> I am looking for a Weber swap. Is there a after market setup that works
> well? Anyone have one for sale?
> ________________________________________
>
David,

Is this for a 1600 or 2K, I don't remember. If for a 2K you might check the
"For Sale" forum on 311s.org, and look for a Mikuni/Solex setup in good
shape as an alternative to the Webers. The Mikuni setup is already set up
(jetting, chokes, etc) for the U-20, and IIRC, Weber throttle shafts rotate
the opposite direction than Mikunis.

If you're running an R-16, I don't think there was ever "factory" dual two
throat setup offered. Check with Pierce Manifolds, who should be able to get
you the bits you need and offer advice on all of the fiddly bits (chokes,
emulsion tubes, air and gas jet, idle jets, etc), which are numerous and
expensive.

Good luck,
Ron

From shotzi at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  9 12:31:08 2009
From: shotzi at shaw.ca (shotzi)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:31:08 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] RL411
Message-ID: <4C2137B6-6D47-42AD-B83C-2E9EBC27C5D3@shaw.ca>

eBay 411 car for parts
Item number:	170390404117

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 12:55:06 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:55:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: RL411
In-Reply-To: <4C2137B6-6D47-42AD-B83C-2E9EBC27C5D3@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1962796705.2150511255114506512.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Yeah, too bad it's 709 miles (one-way) away from me. Could be some good parts there. 

Pete 

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Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 11:31:08 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Roadsters] RL411 

eBay 411 car for parts 
Item number: 170390404117 
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From tputland at charter.net  Fri Oct  9 13:05:56 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:05:56 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] RL411
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Can someone please briefly explain to me the differences between the 1600 motor in this car and the 1600 Roadster motor?

Please keep snyde comments, etc to yourself. I would really rather just know the engine differences, if any. 

Thank you. 

Tim


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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 13:50:17 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:50:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] RL411
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Basic engine is standard 5-main bearing, aluminum head R16. Key differences: 

- intake manifold angled up so SU's clear inner fender 
- slightly different water pump 
- different thermostat housing and radiator
- different oil pan to clear 411 front cross-member.

Might be a couple-three other minor items that I don't remember off-hand. 

I have one that I plan to use for a stroker rebuild.

Pete 

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Subject: Re: [Roadsters] RL411 

Can someone please briefly explain to me the differences between the 1600 motor in this car and the 1600 Roadster motor? 

Please keep snyde comments, etc to yourself. I would really rather just know the engine differences, if any. 

Thank you. 

Tim 


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From 9laser3 at bright.net  Fri Oct  9 14:04:51 2009
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:04:51 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Donna Mae Mims, a great lady
Message-ID: <000001ca491b$d2f88f10$78e9ad30$@net>

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=donna-mae-mims
<http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=donna-mae-mims
&pid=134114269> &pid=134114269

 

I met Donna Mae at Nelson Ledges where she worked the starting grid whenever
Steel Cities Region held a SCCA race.  Even at 80, she was still active with
racing.  When I asked her she had never raced a Datsun, she told me that if
Paul Neumann had offered her a ride, she would have!  (Not sure if she meant
racing or a late night ride!?)  She autographed my Cannonball Run book,
"Donna Mae, . or may not".

 

  I will miss seeing the Lady in Pink every time I'm back at Nelson Ledges.

 

Paul

Ohio

From mickey168 at verizon.net  Fri Oct  9 14:53:04 2009
From: mickey168 at verizon.net (Mickey)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:53:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Donna Mae Mims, a great lady
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From pjmill at sonic.net  Fri Oct  9 16:14:39 2009
From: pjmill at sonic.net (pjmill at sonic.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:14:39 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] RL411
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Gosh!  It doesn't look that bad.  It could be a cool project car for
somebody.

> eBay 411 car for parts
> Item number:	170390404117
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 17:07:02 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:07:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: RL411
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Map the location. Methinks it's gonna be a hard sell. 

Pete 

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Subject: Re: [Roadsters] RL411 

Gosh! It doesn't look that bad. It could be a cool project car for 
somebody. 

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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Fri Oct  9 17:44:03 2009
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:44:03 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my fingers
 off?
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 I don't think anyone is going to seriously recommend that you do that. I'm not.
I'd check out the carbs to find out why the backfire.
good luck
Linda


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: nmleeds at mindspring.com
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 10:43 am
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my fingers off?










All,

Still trying to start my car.  And, for reasons to numerous to explain(history 
of jamming), I've been tempted to lift my SU's by hand while I'm trying to start 
the car. The only risk is that the car has been backfiring through the throttle 
body.  Not often, but enough to make me concerned that if I stick my hands in 
there during a start that I'll lose a finger in the bargain.

Any thoughts? What care should I take in handling a throttle body backfire -- 
are these strong enough to turn tools into weapons?  Take a finger off? . . . 

Nathaniel 
'69 SU, Status: don't ask. 
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From aultgc at att.net  Fri Oct  9 22:40:27 2009
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my fingers
 off?
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Nathaniel,

Do I understand that the pistons in your SUs have a history of jamming?  If 
so, fix that problem.  You should not have to lift the pistons while 
starting -- lifting the pistons only dilutes the mixture going into the 
manifold.

The carbs need to be mechanically correct, pistons, needles, nozzles and 
float level before you can reasonably expect the car to start.

Gary

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Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my fingers 
off?


> All,
>
> Still trying to start my car.  And, for reasons to numerous to 
> explain(history of jamming), I've been tempted to lift my SU's by hand 
> while I'm trying to start the car. The only risk is that the car has been 
> backfiring through the throttle body.  Not often, but enough to make me 
> concerned that if I stick my hands in there during a start that I'll lose 
> a finger in the bargain.
>
> Any thoughts? What care should I take in handling a throttle body 
> backfire -- are these strong enough to turn tools into weapons?  Take a 
> finger off? . . .
>
> Nathaniel
> '69 SU, Status: don't ask.
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From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  9 23:17:12 2009
From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my fingers
 off?
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The springs that hold the slides down are relatively light - after all,
it's vacuum that lifts them against the spring force - so I wouldn't
worry about that.

Gary McCormick
San Jose, CA

nmleeds at mindspring.com wrote:
> All,
>
> Still trying to start my car.  And, for reasons to numerous to explain(history of jamming), I've been tempted to lift my SU's by hand while I'm trying to start the car. The only risk is that the car has been backfiring through the throttle body.  Not often, but enough to make me concerned that if I stick my hands in there during a start that I'll lose a finger in the bargain.
>
> Any thoughts? What care should I take in handling a throttle body backfire -- are these strong enough to turn tools into weapons?  Take a finger off? . . . 
>
> Nathaniel 
> '69 SU, Status: don't ask. 
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From Walter.Peterson at cox.net  Sat Oct 10 00:01:50 2009
From: Walter.Peterson at cox.net (Walter Peterson)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:01:50 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Weber Conversion
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There was an R16 head style Factory dual side draft manifold & Solex set up,
it just was not offered in the US and are fairly rare to find.  I've got one
and I've seen others.  These manifolds were somehow imported to the US
through the competition dept or other tradesmen.  See mine in a 67 here:
http://cid-2a590c41f68a7cf7.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/51R%20%5E0%20Stock%2
0Battery%20Tie%20Down/023.jpg
I'm sure the 1600 would run best with a pair of 40mm, or severely choked
down 44mm carbs.  I've also seen a pair of 2000 SU's fitted to the 1600 SU
manifold as a good option if you want more flow.

Walter Peterson
Santa Barbara Ca, 93109
Street driven race motor
2000 3-Main(R) Solexes,cam etc.
5-Speed & LSD.



-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Day
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:09 AM
To: David Boerst
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber Conversion

> First thanks to all that responded to the electronic distributor swap. Now
> I am looking for a Weber swap. Is there a after market setup that works
> well? Anyone have one for sale?
> ________________________________________
>
David,

Is this for a 1600 or 2K, I don't remember. If for a 2K you might check the
"For Sale" forum on 311s.org, and look for a Mikuni/Solex setup in good
shape as an alternative to the Webers. The Mikuni setup is already set up
(jetting, chokes, etc) for the U-20, and IIRC, Weber throttle shafts rotate
the opposite direction than Mikunis.

If you're running an R-16, I don't think there was ever "factory" dual two
throat setup offered. Check with Pierce Manifolds, who should be able to get
you the bits you need and offer advice on all of the fiddly bits (chokes,
emulsion tubes, air and gas jet, idle jets, etc), which are numerous and
expensive.

Good luck,
Ron
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From andycost at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 10 07:23:32 2009
From: andycost at embarqmail.com (Andy Cost)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:23:32 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Weber Conversion
In-Reply-To: <738478.61039.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5025B98BA32340C69AF6AA4843A03CA7@pentd>

http://www.webercarburators.com/webercat.pdf

http://www.jameng.com/prices/index.phtml#99003.830



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[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Boerst
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:28 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Weber Conversion

First thanks to all that responded to the electronic distributor swap. Now I
am looking for a Weber swap. Is there a after market setup that works well?
Anyone have one for sale?
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From roundrocktom at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 07:45:15 2009
From: roundrocktom at yahoo.com (Tom Walter)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my fingers
	off?
Message-ID: <40507.68920.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Nathan,

The bottom of the SU pistons have a tiny nylon bump stop in them.
Idea is for the piston not to sit flat on the floor of the throttle, but let
enough air in...... to allow you to start the engine! :)

So lifting the piston to start, and then everything running OK are
those tiny bump stops.    Oh, keep a pair of leather gloves in
the car for this reason.

I still see the digest, but never have time to read them until the weekend
rolls around, but it is already time to head out to the shop to work on the
airplane project.   

Tom

From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 09:51:51 2009
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:51:51 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Break-in oil & assembly
Message-ID: <2faaebf80910100851k5ab7a5f7r78c047af55ba8d50@mail.gmail.com>

There's been some threads on the assembly and break-in of "new" engines. I
noticed an ad from Comp Cams in the latest issue of Chevy High Performance
for a new break-in oil (*http://tinyurl.com/ygtkpxl*) they're now selling.
Looks like a great product to me.
They also offers assembly lube and spray. Knowing Comp's reputation this
stuff is worth using, IMHO.
-- 
Ron

From info at sportsimports.ca  Sat Oct 10 11:58:18 2009
From: info at sportsimports.ca (Ross Mullen / Sports Imports)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:58:18 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Weber Conversion
In-Reply-To: <2faaebf80910091109r16bb019bkae3ef3fdb1840f67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <738478.61039.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <BBE8A19F-FD34-4DF2-88EE-CED9A50B8AC0@sportsimports.ca>

I have a manifold for the R16 that accommodates twin side draft carbs  
$400. I have also some 40 mm webers, dellortos, and Mikunis.  i also  
have U20 solex intake manifolds, solex 44 mm carbs(early and late)  
and even have for sale a solex early air cleaner.

Ross
sports imports
On 9-Oct-09, at 11:09 AM, Ronnie Day wrote:

>> First thanks to all that responded to the electronic distributor  
>> swap. Now
>> I am looking for a Weber swap. Is there a after market setup that  
>> works
>> well? Anyone have one for sale?
>> ________________________________________
>>
> David,
>
> Is this for a 1600 or 2K, I don't remember. If for a 2K you might  
> check the
> "For Sale" forum on 311s.org, and look for a Mikuni/Solex setup in  
> good
> shape as an alternative to the Webers. The Mikuni setup is already  
> set up
> (jetting, chokes, etc) for the U-20, and IIRC, Weber throttle  
> shafts rotate
> the opposite direction than Mikunis.
>
> If you're running an R-16, I don't think there was ever "factory"  
> dual two
> throat setup offered. Check with Pierce Manifolds, who should be  
> able to get
> you the bits you need and offer advice on all of the fiddly bits  
> (chokes,
> emulsion tubes, air and gas jet, idle jets, etc), which are  
> numerous and
> expensive.
>
> Good luck,
> Ron
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From gregs672liter at netzero.net  Sat Oct 10 19:48:29 2009
From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:48:29 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Break-in oil & assembly
Message-ID: <20091010.184829.18392.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

There have been some concerns posted latey about using todays oil in our old
Roadsters AFTER they have been broken in.  The concern was they were missing
the correct kind of additive package to provide proper wear care for our cars,
and that you needed to get a specific oil additive.  I asked my engine guru
who is careful about debunking these kind of things.  His response:
"Bullshit.  This was started by a Nascar team (Joe Gibbs) who had a cam go
flat and decided it was the oil.  What it probably was was excessive spring
pressure.  None of my customers, nor anyone else in the industry have reported
any problems related to excessive wear due to todays oil.  I think it is
marketing BS to sell a product."
I continue to run Mobile 1 without concern.
Greg Burrows
67 2000

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com>
To: Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Roadsters] Break-in oil & assembly
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:51:51 -0500

There's been some threads on the assembly and break-in of "new" engines. I
noticed an ad from Comp Cams in the latest issue of Chevy High Performance
for a new break-in oil (*http://tinyurl.com/ygtkpxl*) they're now selling.
Looks like a great product to me.
They also offers assembly lube and spray. Knowing Comp's reputation this
stuff is worth using, IMHO.
--
Ron

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From mikep at bikeswap.com  Sun Oct 11 07:25:46 2009
From: mikep at bikeswap.com (Mikep)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:25:46 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Break-in oil & assembly
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So if I'm reading this correctly NASCAR teams are using 40 year old  
Japanese four cylinder motors? Yee Haw!!! let's go racin'!..... tongue  
firmly in cheek

Sorry, couldn't help it. I'll quit being a smart ass and go back to  
staring wistfully at my non running 40 year Japanese four cylinder.

mike

On Oct 10, 2009, at 6:48 PM, gregs672liter at netzero.net wrote:

> There have been some concerns posted latey about using todays oil in  
> our old
> Roadsters AFTER they have been broken in.  The concern was they were  
> missing
> the correct kind of additive package to provide proper wear care for  
> our cars,
> and that you needed to get a specific oil additive.  I asked my  
> engine guru
> who is careful about debunking these kind of things.  His response:
> "Bullshit.  This was started by a Nascar team (Joe Gibbs) who had a  
> cam go
> flat and decided it was the oil.  What it probably was was excessive  
> spring
> pressure.  None of my customers, nor anyone else in the industry  
> have reported
> any problems related to excessive wear due to todays oil.  I think  
> it is
> marketing BS to sell a product."
> I continue to run Mobile 1 without concern.
> Greg Burrows
> 67 2000
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com>
> To: Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Roadsters] Break-in oil & assembly
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:51:51 -0500
>
> There's been some threads on the assembly and break-in of "new"  
> engines. I
> noticed an ad from Comp Cams in the latest issue of Chevy High  
> Performance
> for a new break-in oil (*http://tinyurl.com/ygtkpxl*) they're now  
> selling.
> Looks like a great product to me.
> They also offers assembly lube and spray. Knowing Comp's reputation  
> this
> stuff is worth using, IMHO.
> --
> Ron
>
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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 06:36:01 2009
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:36:01 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Break-in oil & assembly
Message-ID: <c24.6c8e0eca.38047cb1@aol.com>

Hello all,
 
    Just read an article on the oil thing. The problem  is the Zinc and 
Phosphorus that will kill the catalytic converter if the engine  starts to burn 
oil. A friend of mine and I just replaced the catalyst on his car  for this 
reason. They found that flat tappet engines with very high valve spring  
rates can have problems. Stock or even a bit more engines just don't have a  
problem. As I recall the oils made for diesel engines, such as Rotella, still 
 have these additives. For engines with roller cams and tappets it is 
totally a  non issue. 
 
keith
 
 
In a message dated 10/10/2009 7:08:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
gregs672liter at netzero.net writes:

There  have been some concerns posted latey about using todays oil in our  
old
Roadsters AFTER they have been broken in.  The concern was they  were 
missing
the correct kind of additive package to provide proper wear  care for our 
cars,
and that you needed to get a specific oil  additive.  I asked my engine guru
who is careful about debunking these  kind of things.  His response:
"Bullshit.  This was started by a  Nascar team (Joe Gibbs) who had a cam go
flat and decided it was the  oil.  What it probably was was excessive spring
pressure.  None  of my customers, nor anyone else in the industry have 
reported
any problems  related to excessive wear due to todays oil.  I think it is
marketing  BS to sell a product."
I continue to run Mobile 1 without concern.
Greg  Burrows
67 2000

---------- Original Message ----------
From:  Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com>
To: Roadster List  <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Roadsters] Break-in oil  & assembly
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:51:51 -0500

There's been  some threads on the assembly and break-in of "new" engines. I
noticed an ad  from Comp Cams in the latest issue of Chevy High Performance
for a new  break-in oil (*http://tinyurl.com/ygtkpxl*) they're now selling.
Looks like  a great product to me.
They also offers assembly lube and spray. Knowing  Comp's reputation this
stuff is worth using,  IMHO.
--
Ron

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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 06:42:51 2009
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:42:51 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my fingers
 off?
Message-ID: <cd9.5d237559.38047e4b@aol.com>

Gary,
 
    You might loose the hair on your knuckles and get a  scare but the 
flash of fire from a backfire shouldn't hurt you. Lifting the  piston will lean 
that carb. Makes me think you might be trying to flood.
 
keith williams
 
 
In a message dated 10/9/2009 10:06:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
aultgc at att.net writes:

Nathaniel,

Do I understand that the pistons in your SUs have  a history of jamming?  
If 
so, fix that problem.  You should not  have to lift the pistons while 
starting -- lifting the pistons only  dilutes the mixture going into the 
manifold.

The carbs need to be  mechanically correct, pistons, needles, nozzles and 
float level before you  can reasonably expect the car to start.

Gary

----- Original  Message ----- 
From: <nmleeds at mindspring.com>
To:  <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009  12:43 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] throttle body backfire -- enough to take my  fingers 
off?


> All,
>
> Still trying to start my  car.  And, for reasons to numerous to 
> explain(history of  jamming), I've been tempted to lift my SU's by hand 
> while I'm trying  to start the car. The only risk is that the car has 
been 
> backfiring  through the throttle body.  Not often, but enough to make me 
>  concerned that if I stick my hands in there during a start that I'll 
lose  
> a finger in the bargain.
>
> Any thoughts? What care  should I take in handling a throttle body 
> backfire -- are these  strong enough to turn tools into weapons?  Take a 
> finger off? .  . .
>
> Nathaniel
> '69 SU, Status: don't ask.
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From jklingman at stny.rr.com  Mon Oct 12 08:13:17 2009
From: jklingman at stny.rr.com (John Klingman)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:13:17 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] AACA show Hershey,PA
Message-ID: <87375CBBB8CA49919B89F200262F7780@yourhryuc9xa71>

We just spent 4 days at the AACA show in Hershey PA, saw several thousand
great cars, 26 miles of swap meet. A very nice fresh restore '69 ( no side
makers) 2000 in the car corral, $15,000, gone Friday afternoon.
The AACA museum has a display of "Foreign Invasion Cars" and there was a
pristine 1966 Honda S600, dwarfed by the 240Z next to it. Some one from CA
posted pictures of Jay Leno and his Honda awhile back, thanks, that sparked
research on our part that really made seeing the S600 special.
Met a CA roadster owner who bought her 2000 new in '69, car has been in
storage for several years, just moved to CA in the San Francisco area, was
surprised to see a roadster drive by. Wants to get her car back on the road
but has questions.
Any local roadster owners or club members that want to help can write to me
off list and I will forward your letters.
  Gloria and John Klingman
  Sidney,NY, '68 2000 Spike - still missing

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Mon Oct 12 15:16:25 2009
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:16:25 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Great roadster day
Message-ID: <000e01ca4b81$426f3850$c74da8f0$@net>

  Got 5 roadsters and 7 owners together yesterday at Indian Lake in Ohio.
Turned out to be a cool, but sunny day; just right for a couple of laps
around the lake.  The day ended with a fantastic meal and a cool ride home.
Can't wait to get together again, but I think it will be next spring.
Hopefully a few more roadsters will join us!

 

Paul

Ohio

From andycost at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct 12 20:33:44 2009
From: andycost at embarqmail.com (Andy Cost)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Co-Driver with cancer, second time
Message-ID: <68900701EF184AF2B2EDED6D5FEA4A01@pentd>

As you probably know my father, Leisure Suit Terry, was my co-driver for 19
years.  He was diagnosed with liver cancer and passed away in 2005.  Last
week my new co-driver of 3 years was also diagnosed with cancer.  Dennis was
having a bunch of pain and the doctors found that he needed his gall bladder
out.  While in there they found some bad spots on his liver and the biopsy
revealed cancer.  Dennis and I would both appreciate your prayers during
this difficult time.  Dennis is a contractor and only gets paid when he is
at work.  He has set up a bank account at Bank of America for donations to
help him pay rent and stuff while he is out of work.  If you would like to
donate please e-mail me off list and I'll give you the account number.  You
then just stop by any Bank of America and deposit a few bucks to help a
great guy.  He is the one who takes all the photos at our events and posts
them at www.autocrosspictur <http://www.autocrosspictures.net/> es.net

 Thanks,



Andy Cost

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Tue Oct 13 04:44:20 2009
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:44:20 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Indian Lake gathering photos
Message-ID: <000501ca4bf2$1fa0c840$5ee258c0$@net>

  Just in case somebody wants proof that we did have an OHIO gathering of
roadsters, the link to the photos is below (Thanks Mark).

 

Paul

Ohio 

 

http://picasaweb.google.com/mantolik/OhioRoadstersIndianLake?feat=directlink

From brianstj at att.net  Tue Oct 13 09:29:06 2009
From: brianstj at att.net (Brian St Jacques)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:29:06 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Holy Badass Electric Datsun!
Message-ID: <0B817204B6E8450FB5CBEA1372562608@brave.local>

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=64e_1255328005

From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Tue Oct 13 11:40:02 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:40:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Indian Lake gathering photos
In-Reply-To: <000501ca4bf2$1fa0c840$5ee258c0$@net>
References: <000501ca4bf2$1fa0c840$5ee258c0$@net>
Message-ID: <001c01ca4c2c$31f062f0$95d128d0$@net>

Beautiful day, it looks like. And very nice cars.

For those of us who have never been to Ohio, any chance of labeling who's
who in the pictures?

Gordon Glasgow
-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:44 AM
To: 'datsun-roadsters'
Subject: [Roadsters] Indian Lake gathering photos

  Just in case somebody wants proof that we did have an OHIO gathering of
roadsters, the link to the photos is below (Thanks Mark).

 

Paul

Ohio 

 

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From datsunroadsters at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 13:17:35 2009
From: datsunroadsters at yahoo.com (Eddie Wu / SAKE RKT)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun Roadster Front Brake parts on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <0B817204B6E8450FB5CBEA1372562608@brave.local>
Message-ID: <108191.52634.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I have a few brake items being auctioned off on ebay.  Auctions end in a little over 24 hours.

-brake calipers/pads
-brake (hard) lines
-stainless steel brake lines
-brake rotos
-brake drums

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/automotive_electronics_junkie/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=

Local buyers can pick up items (Fremont/Sunnyvale, CA) to save on shipping.

Thanks
-Eddie

From jklingman at stny.rr.com  Tue Oct 13 15:49:37 2009
From: jklingman at stny.rr.com (John Klingman)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:49:37 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] New to CA Roadster Owner
Message-ID: <BAA9D01E96A44845885F5995C6F23E3A@yourhryuc9xa71>

I have a friend who has a 2000 who recently moved to the San Francisco area.
She bought the car new in 1969 on the East coast and it has traveled a lot; it
has been stored for the past 7 years. She would like to meet some of the local
roadster owners but is shy about writing the list and posting her e-mail
address. So I volunteered to write for her. If any roadster people in the San
Francisco area would like to get another roadster and its owner back on the
road, write to me off list and I will forward your letters.
  Thanks
  Gloria Klingman
  Sidney,NY

From mantolik at oh.rr.com  Tue Oct 13 17:38:44 2009
From: mantolik at oh.rr.com (Mark Antolik)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:38:44 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Indian Lake gathering photos
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca4c2c$31f062f0$95d128d0$@net>
References: <000501ca4bf2$1fa0c840$5ee258c0$@net>
	<001c01ca4c2c$31f062f0$95d128d0$@net>
Message-ID: <011601ca4c5e$4d98d960$0a01a8c0@marka64>

I will be happy to post some captions!  May take me a day or so to get to
it...just wanted to get them out there as quick as possible!

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Glasgow
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:40 PM
To: 'Paul'; 'datsun-roadsters'
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Indian Lake gathering photos

Beautiful day, it looks like. And very nice cars.

For those of us who have never been to Ohio, any chance of labeling who's
who in the pictures?

Gordon Glasgow
-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:44 AM
To: 'datsun-roadsters'
Subject: [Roadsters] Indian Lake gathering photos

  Just in case somebody wants proof that we did have an OHIO gathering of
roadsters, the link to the photos is below (Thanks Mark).

 

Paul

Ohio 

 

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From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 22:55:42 2009
From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Free Datsun ZX
Message-ID: <505314.38267.qm@web53509.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I got a call this morning from a lady that I met at the Datsun show in
Solvang, this past April.
Her
brother has a 1982, 280ZX,  60-80,000 miles, T-top, 5 speed, white with
red leather interior. It has been stored outside for the past 15
years and has
to be moved.  It is free to a good home, but the owner requests it be
restored, and not trashed.   It is in Woodland Hills, CA and needs to be
picked-up within a week or two. 
If anyone is interested, or knows of someone that might be, please email me
off list for the owner's contact info.
Thank you!
Patti

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Oct 15 05:25:28 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 7:25:28 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] part number?
Message-ID: <20091015072528.W21O6.576130.root@mp06>

I am looking at this past ebay auction (300354504795) and trying to figure out the part number, etc in the part manual I have in my office at work--yes, I have a part manual and other Roadster books in my office. I do not see this part in Scott's book. Can someone tell me part number and what year cars this was for? 

Thanks

Tim

From lars.tungen at abaris.no  Thu Oct 15 06:17:41 2009
From: lars.tungen at abaris.no (Lars Tungen)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:17:41 +0200
Subject: [Roadsters] part number?
In-Reply-To: <20091015072528.W21O6.576130.root@mp06>
References: <20091015072528.W21O6.576130.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <003c01ca4d91$81af0c90$850d25b0$@tungen@abaris.no>

Key# 24 from the online parts manual:
http://datsun311.partsmanual.net/311Parts/Electrical/Heater/tabid/241/Defaul
t.aspx

Partnumber 27151-14600. Still listed with Nissan, but may be NLA.

--
Lars Tungen
Norway

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Oct 15 17:43:32 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:43:32 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Are these any good?
Message-ID: <20091015194332.V4KKD.7028881.root@mp20>

Any one have any experience...good or bad, with this fuel pump: 250180673439 ?

Looks like a cheap back up to have just in case....

Tim

From roadster at astound.net  Sat Oct 17 22:41:55 2009
From: roadster at astound.net (Fred Katz)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:41:55 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Holy Badass Electric Datsun!
In-Reply-To: <0B817204B6E8450FB5CBEA1372562608@brave.local>
References: <0B817204B6E8450FB5CBEA1372562608@brave.local>
Message-ID: <C76439FA-A97E-420F-89C6-FF87B90FD50C@astound.net>

Wow! Not bad for a 72 Sunny 1200! 110mph in 11.8 seconds 1/4mile.

My wife bought a 73 1200 brand new, sold it to a friend in the  
mid-1990s. It just wouldn't die. But it was a gutless wonder. 69hp  
lawn-mower engine. Never thought of swapping to an electric engine.  
Probably going to see more of this type of swap going on.

Fred - So.SF, CA

On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Brian St Jacques wrote:

> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=64e_1255328005
> ________________________________________

From fj201 at cox.net  Sun Oct 18 09:47:38 2009
From: fj201 at cox.net (Ron Hamilton)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:47:38 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] U20/2 Liter heads for sale
Message-ID: <4ADB389A.7030906@cox.net>

Looking through my roadster parts prior to listing them on ebay; Local 
sales preferred in the Phoenix area of course.
I have (qty) 4 u20 heads in various conditions that I will sell prior to 
putting them on e-bay. All are used. 3 are ate model and 1 ,67 1/2  head

Please contact me off list for further info and any questions.

Ron Hamilton

From tputland at charter.net  Sun Oct 18 14:03:27 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:03:27 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] won't stay running
Message-ID: <20091018160327.F48E9.7074934.root@mp11>

70 1600 with new needle valves, empty floats and good level of gas in the float chambers. Car had been running great all summer except in the 105 degress we experienced last June and even then was still ok. Car has always been difficult to start when cold (air or engine), today was especially difficult at approx 45 degrees.  Once car is warm it will idle ok but when trying to drive it starts to sputter and won't stay running. 

I have carbs coming but wanted to take her out one more time this coming weekend for the Looong Race. 

Help. 

Thanks

tim

From Keith0alan at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 06:48:35 2009
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:48:35 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] won't stay running
Message-ID: <c54.5a3fdbb9.380dba23@aol.com>

Check your dash pot oil. If it is missing or too thin it will stumble on  
acceleration. It might also be a bit lean. Check the spark plugs. If they are 
 light colored try turning the mixture knobs a little richer. 
 
keith williams
 
 
In a message dated 10/18/2009 1:16:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tputland at charter.net writes:

70 1600  with new needle valves, empty floats and good level of gas in the 
float  chambers. Car had been running great all summer except in the 105 
degress we  experienced last June and even then was still ok. Car has always 
been  difficult to start when cold (air or engine), today was especially 
difficult  at approx 45 degrees.  Once car is warm it will idle ok but when 
trying  to drive it starts to sputter and won't stay running. 

I have carbs  coming but wanted to take her out one more time this coming 
weekend for the  Looong Race. 

Help.  

Thanks

tim
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From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Mon Oct 19 14:12:04 2009
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS))
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Backroads tour write-up, SoCal TT, Oct 11-12 '09
Message-ID: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F845103233FF7@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>

Hooked up with a local group for a 2-day, 650 mile backroads tour from
Los Angeles to Los Alamos (~20 miles north of Solvang) this past
Sunday/Monday.
Great folks, great roads, great eats.  Roadster ran like a champ (she
got new "shoes" for this year), slight drizzle on Monday when coming
back thru the mountains north of LA, but dry all the way home (then
poured the next day!).  It got a might chilly at times, as I did the
entire run top-down, but better to enjoy the sights and smells.

Great group of eclectic, pre-'76 cars. I was the only roadster, although
302-roadster Eric was along in his classic Mini.
A rotary spridget, a slant 6 Valiant, a couple Volvo 122's, three 510's
(a rotary, an SR-20NA, and SR20DET!) a Maserati Bora (!!), an early
Toyota coupe with an 1800/5-spd combo, a bugeye whose oil-line left it
erupting in a cloud of smoke after 5 blocks, a sweet Rambler with green
paisley headliner and dash treatment, a gorgeous Alfa coupe, a 2002 with
a straight 6, a 58 Jag Type 1- sounded like Benny Goodman trombones
coming out of tight corners, a Mercedes pagoda with a Buick V-6, and
more)

I drove most of the way as a wingman with a TR-8 (great sound, much like
the 302 in Eric's car) and a later model MGB that had a single 45-Weber,
both better drivers continually drove away from me in the twisties.
(if only all the parts I have bought for the front end were on the car
instead of languishing in the toolbox drawers)
But, I have learned this is a good thing, (letting folks distance you)
sometimes....

Some pic links will show in the coming weeks.
http://www.socaltt.com/

but I think these ones are current
http://socaltt510.shutterfly.com/

Because of roadside delays (let everyone drive out from the motel, then
had the TR-8 not start, had to rewire the fuel pump circuit for some
unknown reason), I don't appear in anyone's on-road pictures, but the
gearhead talk was wonderful, and the roads around the wineries in that
part of CA are incredible. (even if I was running out of gas and
wondering if I'd be hoofing it soon)

Now she goes up on blocks for front end rebuild, with a self-imposed
deadline of one month to completion.

Happy fall roadstering,

Fergus O (getting over the sore cheeks from grinning for 2 days
straight)

From pjmill at sonic.net  Mon Oct 19 16:39:43 2009
From: pjmill at sonic.net (pjmill at sonic.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:39:43 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Backroads tour write-up, SoCal TT, Oct 11-12  '09
In-Reply-To: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F845103233FF7@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
References: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F845103233FF7@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <8e7327e859b4c5e034c38f5e3c32f69c.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>

Totally COOL!  Thanks for sharing!  Maybe next year there will be at least
TWO Roadster in it!

Paul

> Hooked up with a local group for a 2-day, 650 mile backroads tour from
> Los Angeles to Los Alamos (~20 miles north of Solvang) this past
> Sunday/Monday.
> Great folks, great roads, great eats.  Roadster ran like a champ (she
> got new "shoes" for this year), slight drizzle on Monday when coming
> back thru the mountains north of LA, but dry all the way home (then
> poured the next day!).  It got a might chilly at times, as I did the
> entire run top-down, but better to enjoy the sights and smells.
>
> Great group of eclectic, pre-'76 cars. I was the only roadster, although
> 302-roadster Eric was along in his classic Mini.
> A rotary spridget, a slant 6 Valiant, a couple Volvo 122's, three 510's
> (a rotary, an SR-20NA, and SR20DET!) a Maserati Bora (!!), an early
> Toyota coupe with an 1800/5-spd combo, a bugeye whose oil-line left it
> erupting in a cloud of smoke after 5 blocks, a sweet Rambler with green
> paisley headliner and dash treatment, a gorgeous Alfa coupe, a 2002 with
> a straight 6, a 58 Jag Type 1- sounded like Benny Goodman trombones
> coming out of tight corners, a Mercedes pagoda with a Buick V-6, and
> more)
>
> I drove most of the way as a wingman with a TR-8 (great sound, much like
> the 302 in Eric's car) and a later model MGB that had a single 45-Weber,
> both better drivers continually drove away from me in the twisties.
> (if only all the parts I have bought for the front end were on the car
> instead of languishing in the toolbox drawers)
> But, I have learned this is a good thing, (letting folks distance you)
> sometimes....
>
> Some pic links will show in the coming weeks.
> http://www.socaltt.com/
>
> but I think these ones are current
> http://socaltt510.shutterfly.com/
>
> Because of roadside delays (let everyone drive out from the motel, then
> had the TR-8 not start, had to rewire the fuel pump circuit for some
> unknown reason), I don't appear in anyone's on-road pictures, but the
> gearhead talk was wonderful, and the roads around the wineries in that
> part of CA are incredible. (even if I was running out of gas and
> wondering if I'd be hoofing it soon)
>
> Now she goes up on blocks for front end rebuild, with a self-imposed
> deadline of one month to completion.
>
> Happy fall roadstering,
>
> Fergus O (getting over the sore cheeks from grinning for 2 days
> straight)
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From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Tue Oct 20 05:41:07 2009
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (Steve Harvey)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:41:07 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Dash pad cover question
Message-ID: <001001ca517a$36dfff70$a49ffe50$@net>

Group,

 

The plastic dash cover on my 70 1600 restoration project has cracked so I
purchased a new one. In the process of removing the old cover from the dash
the old glue pulled some of the original covering and foam away from the
dash. Has anyone experienced this problem? I'd like to fill in the missing
foam with something that will remain flexible but smooth out the dash in
preparation for the new adhesive. I plan on using a 3-M adhesive to secure
the new cover.

 

Thanks

 

Steve Harvey 

From tputland at charter.net  Tue Oct 20 06:19:27 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 5:19:27 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Dash pad cover question
In-Reply-To: <001001ca517a$36dfff70$a49ffe50$@net>
Message-ID: <20091020081927.30XJB.826628.root@mp06>

How about that expandable insulation foam? Fill the void, cut it to "fit" the contour of the dash and install the cover? That stuff has some give once dry. 

Tim

---- Steve Harvey <stebharvey at ameritech.net> wrote: 

=============
Group,

 

The plastic dash cover on my 70 1600 restoration project has cracked so I
purchased a new one. In the process of removing the old cover from the dash
the old glue pulled some of the original covering and foam away from the
dash. Has anyone experienced this problem? I'd like to fill in the missing
foam with something that will remain flexible but smooth out the dash in
preparation for the new adhesive. I plan on using a 3-M adhesive to secure
the new cover.

 

Thanks

 

Steve Harvey 
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Tue Oct 20 11:18:35 2009
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:18:35 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Backroads tour write-up, SoCal TT, Oct 11-12  '09
In-Reply-To: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F845103233FF7@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
References: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F845103233FF7@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <8CC1FC07DB0711F-502C-128A7@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com>

 Glad to see you got the electrical problems fixed, Fergus.

A rebuilt front end will really let you have fun on the next run. Don't forget
the ball joints! LOL

Linda





















-----Original Message-----
From: O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) <Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2009 1:12 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] Backroads tour write-up, SoCal TT, Oct 11-12 '09










Hooked up with a local group for a 2-day, 650 mile backroads tour from
Los Angeles to Los Alamos (~20 miles north of Solvang) this past
Sunday/Monday.
Great folks, great roads, great eats.  Roadster ran like a champ (she
got new "shoes" for this year), slight drizzle on Monday when coming
back thru the mountains north of LA, but dry all the way home (then
poured the next day!).  It got a might chilly at times, as I did the
entire run top-down, but better to enjoy the sights and smells.

Great group of eclectic, pre-'76 cars. I was the only roadster, although
302-roadster Eric was along in his classic Mini.
A rotary spridget, a slant 6 Valiant, a couple Volvo 122's, three 510's
(a rotary, an SR-20NA, and SR20DET!) a Maserati Bora (!!), an early
Toyota coupe with an 1800/5-spd combo, a bugeye whose oil-line left it
erupting in a cloud of smoke after 5 blocks, a sweet Rambler with green
paisley headliner and dash treatment, a gorgeous Alfa coupe, a 2002 with
a straight 6, a 58 Jag Type 1- sounded like Benny Goodman trombones
coming out of tight corners, a Mercedes pagoda with a Buick V-6, and
more)

I drove most of the way as a wingman with a TR-8 (great sound, much like
the 302 in Eric's car) and a later model MGB that had a single 45-Weber,
both better drivers continually drove away from me in the twisties.
(if only all the parts I have bought for the front end were on the car
instead of languishing in the toolbox drawers)
But, I have learned this is a good thing, (letting folks distance you)
sometimes....

Some pic links will show in the coming weeks.
http://www.socaltt.com/

but I think these ones are current
http://socaltt510.shutterfly.com/

Because of roadside delays (let everyone drive out from the motel, then
had the TR-8 not start, had to rewire the fuel pump circuit for some
unknown reason), I don't appear in anyone's on-road pictures, but the
gearhead talk was wonderful, and the roads around the wineries in that
part of CA are incredible. (even if I was running out of gas and
wondering if I'd be hoofing it soon)

Now she goes up on blocks for front end rebuild, with a self-imposed
deadline of one month to completion.

Happy fall roadstering,

Fergus O (getting over the sore cheeks from grinning for 2 days
straight)
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From gsm at gregorysmorrison.com  Tue Oct 20 15:00:48 2009
From: gsm at gregorysmorrison.com (Gregory S. Morrison)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:00:48 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 1969 2000 for sale
Message-ID: <C7037310.1E55F%gsm@gregorysmorrison.com>

Just saw this in the Spokane, WA Wheel Deals. Black on black. Panasports?
Says "very clean". Looks very nice. $11,200.00. 509-879-0389. That's all I
know.

This is the link to the ad:    www.wheeldeals.com/results.aspx?key=datsun

If that doesn't work just search wheeldeals.com.

-Greg
SRL31100494

From toolmansj2 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 23 13:18:29 2009
From: toolmansj2 at comcast.net (toolmansj2 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:18:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] help with bre stripes
Message-ID: <1276672837.199521256325509844.JavaMail.root@sz0093a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I want to put the 2 bre racing stripes across the hood is there any specs for these? How wide are the stripes supposed to be and how far apart any good pics would help too! I want to represent the roadster community correctly, any advice would be appreciated. 

Thanks Shaun 

From gogineni.alvin at gene.com  Fri Oct 23 13:55:54 2009
From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:55:54 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] help with bre stripes
In-Reply-To: <1276672837.199521256325509844.JavaMail.root@sz0093a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1276672837.199521256325509844.JavaMail.root@sz0093a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A238EDA4-964D-4F9C-B3B6-69B8F6EF2CF5@gene.com>

Shaun, here are some pics:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2262336010091305389wphnnp

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2044892870103129582pwuPqz

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2242902170103129582KEipts

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2883125190103129582nRxspJ

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2479198050103129582HIsSAN



http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2486762150103129582czoLKX


THere are some historic photos on the web as well


On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:18 PM, toolmansj2 at comcast.net wrote:

> I want to put the 2 bre racing stripes across the hood is there any  
> specs for these? How wide are the stripes supposed to be and how far  
> apart any good pics would help too! I want to represent the roadster  
> community correctly, any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks Shaun
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From mcinns at att.net  Fri Oct 23 14:45:37 2009
From: mcinns at att.net (mcinns at att.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:45:37 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] enging lifting points
Message-ID: <102320092045.1884.4AE215F100011E520000075C22230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0202070C03@att.net>

I have a 69 2000 that I bought a '98 240 SX engine for 6 years ago.  I want to install that engine now,
and looking at the engine in it's shipping cradle, I don't see obvious lifting points.  Any of you who have made this swap, please comment.

Mark

1-520-818-1401
Tucson

From shifty at shiftco.com  Fri Oct 23 17:59:17 2009
From: shifty at shiftco.com (shifty at shiftco.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:59:17 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] help with bre stripes
In-Reply-To: <A238EDA4-964D-4F9C-B3B6-69B8F6EF2CF5@gene.com>
References: <1276672837.199521256325509844.JavaMail.root@sz0093a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<A238EDA4-964D-4F9C-B3B6-69B8F6EF2CF5@gene.com>
Message-ID: <47e532a32d8a8026ec043b723bc15ade.squirrel@webmail.shiftco.com>

BRE has the info available through their "tribute" program.

http://www.bre2.net/index.php?section=117

> Shaun, here are some pics:
> http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2262336010091305389wphnnp
>
> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2044892870103129582pwuPqz
>
> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2242902170103129582KEipts
>
> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2883125190103129582nRxspJ
>
> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2479198050103129582HIsSAN
>
>
>
> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2486762150103129582czoLKX
>
>
> THere are some historic photos on the web as well
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:18 PM, toolmansj2 at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> I want to put the 2 bre racing stripes across the hood is there any
>> specs for these? How wide are the stripes supposed to be and how far
>> apart any good pics would help too! I want to represent the roadster
>> community correctly, any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Shaun
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From 9laser3 at bright.net  Sat Oct 24 09:10:37 2009
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:10:37 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] 1980 210 SCCA race car FS
Message-ID: <001701ca54bc$27fb35c0$77f1a140$@net>

http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/1408881060.html

 

  Not my car, but it has my finger prints under the hood.  Craig has been
racing it for several years now up at Nelson Ledges with good success.  I'd
hate to see this car leave Ohio, but it should go to a good home!

 

Paul

Ohio

From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 10:22:06 2009
From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:22:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Free 1982 ZX
Message-ID: <560112.17649.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good news!  The adoption has been completed, and this orphan has a new home! 
Thank you to everyone who expressed interest in saving her.
Patti

From andycost at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 24 19:53:45 2009
From: andycost at embarqmail.com (Andy Cost)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:53:45 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup
In-Reply-To: <560112.17649.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7B954BB3665444D19BC00645D7E0B18D@pentd>

Anyone recognize this weird panhard bar?  It is on an 88 mustang.  The
panhard bar is up high and there are two pivoting links at either end.  The
links are tied to a point near the bottom of the diff.  The angle of the
links is adjustable.  I'm not sure what brand this is or even how it works.


http://image68.webshots.com/468/4/7/1/2157407010065431685cSbZDr_fs.jpg
 

http://image96.webshots.com/196/1/68/85/2610168850065431685LhrfEc_fs.jpg



Thanks,

 

Andy

BTW - Bucephalus might be going bye-bye.

From pat at hornesystemstx.com  Sat Oct 24 20:22:25 2009
From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup
In-Reply-To: <7B954BB3665444D19BC00645D7E0B18D@pentd>
References: <7B954BB3665444D19BC00645D7E0B18D@pentd>
Message-ID: <4AE3B661.1050703@hornesystemstx.com>

Are there cross links running from the center of each of the shackles to 
the mount on the opposite side? If so, that would lock the shackles so 
they would not move, which would lock the suspension so it couldn't rise 
or fall. Looks pretty strange to me. If there is only one cross link, 
then the suspension can move up and down, but not stay centered. What 
type of car is this on? That is, is this a track car, drag, tuner, etc.?

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake Andy Cost, On 10/24/2009 8:53 PM:
> Anyone recognize this weird panhard bar?  It is on an 88 mustang.  The
> panhard bar is up high and there are two pivoting links at either end.  The
> links are tied to a point near the bottom of the diff.  The angle of the
> links is adjustable.  I'm not sure what brand this is or even how it works.
>
>
> http://image68.webshots.com/468/4/7/1/2157407010065431685cSbZDr_fs.jpg
>  
>
> http://image96.webshots.com/196/1/68/85/2610168850065431685LhrfEc_fs.jpg
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
> Andy
>
> BTW - Bucephalus might be going bye-bye.
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From datsundoc at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 20:41:12 2009
From: datsundoc at aol.com (datsundoc at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:41:12 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup
In-Reply-To: <7B954BB3665444D19BC00645D7E0B18D@pentd>
Message-ID: <8CC2333C0515E75-958C-1EEC@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>

Looks like it's designed to keep the bar level with travel. This is similar to
a Watts link. A regular panhard bar will induce bump steer as the suspension
travels. That's why you want it level at rest and as long as possible. The
lower links on this set up can be used to level the bar and links if you
change ride height.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Cost <andycost at embarqmail.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:53 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup








Anyone recognize this weird panhard bar?  It is on an 88 mustang.  The
panhard bar is up high and there are two pivoting links at either end.  The
links are tied to a point near the bottom of the diff.  The angle of the
links is adjustable.  I'm not sure what brand this is or even how it works.


http://image68.webshots.com/468/4/7/1/2157407010065431685cSbZDr_fs.jpg


http://image96.webshots.com/196/1/68/85/2610168850065431685LhrfEc_fs.jpg



Thanks,



Andy

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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 00:34:49 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:34:49 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup
In-Reply-To: <7B954BB3665444D19BC00645D7E0B18D@pentd>
References: <560112.17649.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7B954BB3665444D19BC00645D7E0B18D@pentd>
Message-ID: <000601ca553d$41575950$c4060bf0$@net>

Just keep in mind that not everything you see on a home-built race car makes
sense or works.

Gordon Glasgow
-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Cost
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 6:54 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup

Anyone recognize this weird panhard bar?  It is on an 88 mustang.  The
panhard bar is up high and there are two pivoting links at either end.  The
links are tied to a point near the bottom of the diff.  The angle of the
links is adjustable.  I'm not sure what brand this is or even how it works.


http://image68.webshots.com/468/4/7/1/2157407010065431685cSbZDr_fs.jpg
 

http://image96.webshots.com/196/1/68/85/2610168850065431685LhrfEc_fs.jpg



Thanks,

 

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From tputland at charter.net  Sun Oct 25 11:28:05 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:28:05 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] idle & timing
Message-ID: <20091025142805.OQPYB.7626089.root@mp13>

On my desmogged 70 1600 running EI dizzy, I can't get my idle below 1200 in order to set my timing. The service screw is all the way out. 

What else can I do?

Tim

From tputland at charter.net  Sun Oct 25 14:48:48 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:48:48 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] idle & timing
In-Reply-To: <20091025142805.OQPYB.7626089.root@mp13>
Message-ID: <20091025174848.PWI69.7633592.root@mp13>

I'v got the control screws closed about as far as I can and still keep the car running...

---- Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote: 

=============
On my desmogged 70 1600 running EI dizzy, I can't get my idle below 1200 in order to set my timing. The service screw is all the way out. 

What else can I do?

Tim
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From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Sun Oct 25 16:53:00 2009
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (Steve Harvey)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:53:00 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] The Lonnnng Run
Message-ID: <000601ca55ce$49334080$db99c180$@net>

For us Mid-America folks it was a hoot to see vintage racers and yellow
leafs this past weekend. We will now proceed to place our beloved roadster's
away for the winter and dream  of spring. Good friends, good food, good beer
was had by all!

 

Steve

From boakes at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 17:06:34 2009
From: boakes at gmail.com (Bill Oakes)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:06:34 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] The Lonnnng Run
In-Reply-To: <000601ca55ce$49334080$db99c180$@net>
References: <000601ca55ce$49334080$db99c180$@net>
Message-ID: <3ad057d60910251706r4dac55av789fe33130d8b352@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

it was great fun seeing the roadsters parked there coming around in
turn 6, a very nice Datsun turn out on, and off the track.

I tucked the Z and trailer away for the winter after the race, now to
spend some quality time with roadster in the garage and get that beast
on the road someday!

Bill


On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Steve Harvey <stebharvey at ameritech.net>
wrote:
> For us Mid-America folks it was a hoot to see vintage racers and yellow
> leafs this past weekend. We will now proceed to place our beloved
roadster's
> away for the winter and dream  of spring. Good friends, good food, good
beer
> was had by all!
>
>
>
> Steve
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 25 19:03:14 2009
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:03:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Detailing Engine Compartment et al.
Message-ID: <SNT106-W42EC849115BD8C24E293ADDFBA0@phx.gbl>

Generally tidying up the engine compartment and notice that quite a few of the
'bendable' clips (the ones spotwelded to the body/frame) are missing the
rubber coverings. I have shrink tubing, but unfortunately it is logically open
ended and doesn't look quite right.



Anyone have suggestions - ideally shrink tubing with a closed end, or some
sort of rubber bootie.



Peter (Eliza)

From escanlon at wa-net.com  Sun Oct 25 19:22:51 2009
From: escanlon at wa-net.com (E Scanlon)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:22:51 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Detailing Engine Compartment et al.
References: <SNT106-W42EC849115BD8C24E293ADDFBA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8994A925FD93466BA09D15DE3317B5DF@HPW>

PLASTI-DIP
or
Liquid Electrical Tape.

HTH
Enrique


> Generally tidying up the engine compartment and notice that quite a few of 
> the
> 'bendable' clips (the ones spotwelded to the body/frame) are missing the
> rubber coverings. I have shrink tubing, but unfortunately it is logically 
> open
> ended and doesn't look quite right.
> >
> Anyone have suggestions - ideally shrink tubing with a closed end, or some
> sort of rubber bootie.
>
> Peter (Eliza) 

From Bspark47 at aol.com  Sun Oct 25 21:21:48 2009
From: Bspark47 at aol.com (Bspark47 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:21:48 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Detailing Engine Compartment et al.
Message-ID: <c49.48fc4b4f.38167ddc@aol.com>

Or if you prefer the convenience of shrink tubing but want a closed end,  
just pinch the ends with a pair of pliers (the needlenose variety works well) 
 while the tubing is still warm and pliable. Makes a nice, neat end with 
minimal  effort. A little experimentation will tell you how long to leave the  
tubing.
 
Just a thought
 
Bill
70s
 
 
In a message dated 10/25/2009 7:23:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
escanlon at wa-net.com writes:

PLASTI-DIP
or
Liquid Electrical  Tape.

HTH
Enrique


> Generally tidying up the engine  compartment and notice that quite a few 
of 
> the
> 'bendable'  clips (the ones spotwelded to the body/frame) are missing the
> rubber  coverings. I have shrink tubing, but unfortunately it is 
logically 
>  open
> ended and doesn't look quite right.
> >
> Anyone  have suggestions - ideally shrink tubing with a closed end, or 
some
>  sort of rubber bootie.
>
> Peter (Eliza)  
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From fj20spl311 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 21:50:16 2009
From: fj20spl311 at yahoo.com (philip erickson)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:50:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Panhard rod
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1256497205.26865.datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <397858.55163.qm@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I can't open those pictures...
Sounds like part of a jacob's ladder.

Phil

From pat at hornesystemstx.com  Mon Oct 26 06:48:26 2009
From: pat at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:48:26 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] idle & timing
In-Reply-To: <20091025142805.OQPYB.7626089.root@mp13>
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Try spraying carb cleaner around on the intake manifold gaskets and carb 
throttle shafts. If you have an air leak it should increase the engine 
speed. (Try just spraying a bit of cleaner into a carb inlet to see if 
it causes the increase, some carb cleaner doesn't burn that well.)

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake Tim, On 10/25/2009 1:28 PM:
> On my desmogged 70 1600 running EI dizzy, I can't get my idle below 1200 in order to set my timing. The service screw is all the way out. 
>
> What else can I do?
>
> Tim
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From bubwin at mts.net  Mon Oct 26 20:47:02 2009
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:47:02 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup
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Hard to say, but looks like a Watts link with the bell crank mounted above 
the axle to the chassis.  Some are mounted to the axle.  Either stops the 
side to side, but the one on with the crank on the top causes more change to 
the roll center on accel/decel.  Don't quote me though, I haven't needed to 
think about this kind of stuff since I was a Crew-chief on dirt Modified 
since 1996!  The old brain just doesn't let me retrieve the old stuff like 
it used to.

Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Cost" <andycost at embarqmail.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup


> Anyone recognize this weird panhard bar?  It is on an 88 mustang.  The
> panhard bar is up high and there are two pivoting links at either end. 
> The
> links are tied to a point near the bottom of the diff.  The angle of the
> links is adjustable.  I'm not sure what brand this is or even how it 
> works.
>
>
> http://image68.webshots.com/468/4/7/1/2157407010065431685cSbZDr_fs.jpg
>
>
> http://image96.webshots.com/196/1/68/85/2610168850065431685LhrfEc_fs.jpg
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Andy
>
> BTW - Bucephalus might be going bye-bye.
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From bubwin at mts.net  Mon Oct 26 20:51:49 2009
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:51:49 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Detailing Engine Compartment et al.
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Message-ID: <129831B956F4473F8A51A7B255617968@ownerPC>

Try that liquid electrical tape that you paint on.

http://www.plastidip.com/home_solutions/Liquid_Tape_-_Electrical_Insulation

Bob


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter harrison" <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com>
To: "datsun" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Detailing Engine Compartment et al.


> Generally tidying up the engine compartment and notice that quite a few of 
> the
> 'bendable' clips (the ones spotwelded to the body/frame) are missing the
> rubber coverings. I have shrink tubing, but unfortunately it is logically 
> open
> ended and doesn't look quite right.
>
>
>
> Anyone have suggestions - ideally shrink tubing with a closed end, or some
> sort of rubber bootie.
>
>
>
> Peter (Eliza)
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From bubwin at mts.net  Mon Oct 26 21:01:31 2009
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:01:31 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] help with bre stripes
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Pete Brock's site can help, but if you're doing a full clone, he wants a 
cut.

http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=B&Category_Code=decals


Bob


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Roadster list" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] help with bre stripes


>I want to put the 2 bre racing stripes across the hood is there any specs 
>for these? How wide are the stripes supposed to be and how far apart any 
>good pics would help too! I want to represent the roadster community 
>correctly, any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks Shaun
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From andycost at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct 27 14:09:47 2009
From: andycost at embarqmail.com (Embarq Customer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:09:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup
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Message-ID: <138812218.2416421256677787136.JavaMail.root@md20.embarq.synacor.com>

Here is the info on the strange panhard setup thanks to the original owner who
was located on the CP list.



http://50mustangsuperfords.automotive.com/42513/15419-contex-ultra-sport-susp
ension-system/index.html



Andy




----- Original Message -----
From: "steve newby" <csp541983rx7 at yahoo.com>
To: "Andy Cost" <andycost at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:32:32 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup




looks more like an odd cross between a watts link and a J Bar or pan hard, the
pivots moveB  like a watts.

I do know that roll center is drastically affected by the pivot length an
swing length of a JBar. Shorter bars exacerbate this effect, it appears that
the builder was trying to solve a space issue by artificially lengthening the
jbar (the pivot on the drivers side would have the effect of about doubling
the length of the bar), the bulk of the rest of it appears to be mostly
bracing and support. but that would be a bitch to tune as the variables would
be WAY more complex and you don't have the easy way of just moving the
mounting points up and down. unless the pass side ALSO pivots, in which case
I'm not sure HOW it would work as the center seems to be fixed. moving the
center holes would partially have the same effect of moving the bar mounting
points, but it would not be linear. on a car like the roadster the straight
jbar is the better choice, its simple and you have lots of room to work with,
plus you have minimal vertical chassis movement which make a jbar easier to
balance.

Also that looks like it weighs a TON!!

If your considering a panhard keeping it a close to level from side to side as
possible and having minimal vertical movement is best. roll center can be
tuned to a small degree by building multiple holes or a threaded pertch that
allows you to tune it (ala NASCAR)

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Andy Cost <andycost at embarqmail.com> wrote:



From: Andy Cost <andycost at embarqmail.com>
Subject: [Roadsters] CP mustang project with strange panhard setup
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 6:53 PM


Anyone recognize this weird panhard bar?B  It is on an 88 mustang.B  The
panhard bar is up high and there are two pivoting links at either end.B  The
links are tied to a point near the bottom of the diff.B  The angle of the
links is adjustable.B  I'm not sure what brand this is or even how it works.


http://image68.webshots.com/468/4/7/1/2157407010065431685cSbZDr_fs.jpg


http://image96.webshots.com/196/1/68/85/2610168850065431685LhrfEc_fs.jpg



Thanks,



Andy

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From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Tue Oct 27 21:13:47 2009
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:13:47 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Cool Halloween costume.
Message-ID: <003301ca5785$0cafb8b0$260f2a10$@net>

Okay, so it ain't a roadster, but it's still way cool.

Gordon Glasgow
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Pewitt [mailto:danielpewitt at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:25 AM
To: randyolivarez at gmail.com; harold harris; Eric Kim; Eric Kim; Gordon
Glasgow
Subject: Cool Halloween costume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xSstvNyIE0
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http://mail.yahoo.com 

From orangedawg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 27 22:34:37 2009
From: orangedawg at hotmail.com (orangedawg orangedawg)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:34:37 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY136-W1507D8B53B6B1EF1B0088DCAB80@phx.gbl>

Find what you love at  Mall-nice.com


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From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 28 08:37:40 2009
From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject)
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spam on the roadster list?  how do we get rid of this?




________________________________
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To: Randy Johnston <icmjohnston at yahoo.com>; roadster list list <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>; Shannon Rose-Colberg <doubleblssing at yahoo.net>; Steph Kuntz <stephanniek at wenatcheecenter.com>; Tonya Short <flippityjibbit at aol.com>; trisheerose at hotmail.com; Whitney <wltlivelifenow at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 10:34:37 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject)

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From vze2fhba at verizon.net  Wed Oct 28 08:40:33 2009
From: vze2fhba at verizon.net (vze2fhba at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:40:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1595637200.1566388.1256744433067.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net>

/7dX3kv: Permission denied

From chalsted at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 08:53:12 2009
From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:53:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] Fwd:  (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY136-W1507D8B53B6B1EF1B0088DCAB80@phx.gbl>
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all of us on the roadster list received this spam this morning, don't know
about your other lists. is there any way to ban this person from the list?
buncha crap.....

thanks-

Craig


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<doubleblssing at yahoo.net>, "Steph Kuntz" <stephanniek at wenatcheecenter.com>,
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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:34:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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From chalsted at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 09:02:42 2009
From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:02:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] spam
Message-ID: <1714050155.2304811256745762073.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

well, majordomo didn't work- that's an automated reply system. re-sent it to mjb at autox.team.net , that should do the trick 

Craig 

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 09:10:59 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:10:59 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] [OT] Bow to this drift god. (five stars!!!)
Message-ID: <7DFB475E3AC94D5FB8AD671F0C080D83@xp>

Wish there was less of the announcers & fans, but, fan of drifting or not,
this 50 seconds of video is DAMN impressive:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/26/video-best-drift-ever-reverse-entry-slide
-has-jdm-judges-all-a/#continued


Pete

From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Wed Oct 28 09:47:31 2009
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (Steve Harvey)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:47:31 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question
Message-ID: <000b01ca57ee$581c19b0$08544d10$@net>

Group,

 

I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very dull.
Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that are
on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of my
project car. Any input is appreciated.

 

Steve

Milwaukee

From tputland at charter.net  Wed Oct 28 09:56:27 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 9:56:27 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The  Question
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca57ee$581c19b0$08544d10$@net>
Message-ID: <20091028125627.JEAQ9.7660019.root@mp11>

$250 seems pretty good to me. I got a quote from a guy in Madison for a 1600 grille, $500 to $600 with no garuantee it would be that "low". Granted, I did have a 1600 grille.....

Then I won Gary Tew's re-chromed grille on ebay for, I think, less than $225. And it's beautiful!

Tim


---- Steve Harvey <stebharvey at ameritech.net> wrote: 

=============
Group,

 

I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very dull.
Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that are
on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of my
project car. Any input is appreciated.

 

Steve

Milwaukee
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From twobeaners at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 28 11:10:20 2009
From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (MH)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:10:20 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The  Question
References: <000b01ca57ee$581c19b0$08544d10$@net>
Message-ID: <009c01ca57f9$e9791420$6500a8c0@LAP120>

My opinions only, I welcome others to disagree:
For $250, if it comes out basically perfect, that seems like a good deal,
comparing the going prices for near perfect or NOS as seen on Ebay. Also,
find out what kind of chroming process they use. The place I use here in KC
does the "show" chrome process involving triple plating, copper, nickel and
then chrome. Top of the line stuff, ...I'll be looking forward to a quote to
get my 1600 grill with one dent, restored.

My "other" opinion is that: .....it's a highly visible and high "bling"
factor of the car's outward appearance to any casual observer, moving or
parked,....meaning it's better to have a ragged, torn interior, and shiny
wheels and chrome than new seat covers, and crappy exterior.....like I said,
it's just my opinion. I've owned cars with each of these
scenarios,........in our society, it's the superficial taste that rules the
day, LOL!
Mike Hudson  '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harvey" <stebharvey at ameritech.net>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question


> Group,
>
>
>
> I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
> Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
> grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very
dull.
> Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that
are
> on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of
my
> project car. Any input is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Milwaukee
> ________________________________________

From fj201 at cox.net  Wed Oct 28 10:25:20 2009
From: fj201 at cox.net (Ron Hamilton)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The   Question
In-Reply-To: <009c01ca57f9$e9791420$6500a8c0@LAP120>
References: <000b01ca57ee$581c19b0$08544d10$@net>
	<009c01ca57f9$e9791420$6500a8c0@LAP120>
Message-ID: <4AE87E80.8090408@cox.net>

Given the EPA regulation of the plating industry, you now have 2 
options, USA and high prices or south of the border and take your 
chances. The platers (and yes I know they use toxic material) are now 
responsible for recycling all the waste, including liquids with NO 
disposal allowed unless it is safe . Here in AZ plating has gone through 
the roof  in cost from a commercial point of view. Then there is the 
cost of  anodes of plating material ( went sky high too) and electricity 
etc. You think chrome is expensive, try mil spec plating!!!

MH wrote:
> My opinions only, I welcome others to disagree:
> For $250, if it comes out basically perfect, that seems like a good deal,
> comparing the going prices for near perfect or NOS as seen on Ebay. Also,
> find out what kind of chroming process they use. The place I use here in KC
> does the "show" chrome process involving triple plating, copper, nickel and
> then chrome. Top of the line stuff, ...I'll be looking forward to a quote to
> get my 1600 grill with one dent, restored.
>
> My "other" opinion is that: .....it's a highly visible and high "bling"
> factor of the car's outward appearance to any casual observer, moving or
> parked,....meaning it's better to have a ragged, torn interior, and shiny
> wheels and chrome than new seat covers, and crappy exterior.....like I said,
> it's just my opinion. I've owned cars with each of these
> scenarios,........in our society, it's the superficial taste that rules the
> day, LOL!
> Mike Hudson  '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed

From d_kroninger at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 28 10:29:00 2009
From: d_kroninger at hotmail.com (Dan Kroninger)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:29:00 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The   Question
In-Reply-To: <20091028125627.JEAQ9.7660019.root@mp11>
References: <000b01ca57ee$581c19b0$08544d10$@net>
Message-ID: <SNT104-W3B99427A56212DD3375849BB80@phx.gbl>

I can vouch for that, it is one BEAUTIFUL piece.  I might have to "borrow"
that one day when he is not looking.  LOL!



> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:56:27 -0700
> From: tputland at charter.net
> To: stebharvey at ameritech.net; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question
>
> $250 seems pretty good to me. I got a quote from a guy in Madison for a 1600
grille, $500 to $600 with no garuantee it would be that "low". Granted, I did
have a 1600 grille.....
>
> Then I won Gary Tew's re-chromed grille on ebay for, I think, less than
$225. And it's beautiful!
>
> Tim
>
>
> ---- Steve Harvey <stebharvey at ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> Group,
>
>
>
> I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
> Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
> grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very
dull.
> Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that
are
> on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of
my
> project car. Any input is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Milwaukee

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From nmleeds at mindspring.com  Wed Oct 28 10:29:08 2009
From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The  Question
Message-ID: <28427193.1256750948270.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I hate to be this guy.  But you might want to consider the enviromental impact of chroming.  Unlike paint, which has gotten better and can be handled in enviromentally responsible ways, chrome is just, plain, nasty.  This is something I've been thinking about ever since a guy at my local paint shop said he ships his stuff to Mexico because it has become almost impossible to find a licensed chrome shop in California.    

Of course, this cuts both ways.  Chrome is so nasty that in five years (hell, if buddy in the White House wakes up, then even less) it might not be possible to chrome at all.  So, as the expression goes, pollute while the iron is hot.  

I'll leave it to you (and the hecklers on the list) to decide how to weigh enviromental concerns against Datsun concerns, but I thought I'd mention it as a factor to consider.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Harvey <stebharvey at ameritech.net>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2009 12:47 PM
>To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question
>
>Group,
>
> 
>
>I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
>Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
>grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very dull.
>Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that are
>on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of my
>project car. Any input is appreciated.
>
> 
>
>Steve
>
>Milwaukee
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From tputland at charter.net  Wed Oct 28 10:32:14 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:32:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The  Question
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W3B99427A56212DD3375849BB80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091028133214.ZJFAC.7662463.root@mp11>

lol  I just locked it in the attic! ha

Tim


---- Dan Kroninger <d_kroninger at hotmail.com> wrote: 

=============
I can vouch for that, it is one BEAUTIFUL piece.  I might have to "borrow"
that one day when he is not looking.  LOL!



> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:56:27 -0700
> From: tputland at charter.net
> To: stebharvey at ameritech.net; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question
>
> $250 seems pretty good to me. I got a quote from a guy in Madison for a 1600
grille, $500 to $600 with no garuantee it would be that "low". Granted, I did
have a 1600 grille.....
>
> Then I won Gary Tew's re-chromed grille on ebay for, I think, less than
$225. And it's beautiful!
>
> Tim
>
>
> ---- Steve Harvey <stebharvey at ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> Group,
>
>
>
> I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
> Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
> grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very
dull.
> Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that
are
> on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of
my
> project car. Any input is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Milwaukee

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From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Wed Oct 28 16:15:41 2009
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (Steve Harvey)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:15:41 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The  Question
Message-ID: <000b01ca5824$921fe070$b65fa150$@net>

Thanks to all who provided input. I had my 2000 valve cover done several
years ago for around the same price and that was a much more labor intense
process for the chromer because it's aluminum and it needed a great amount
of prep work. I understand the Hugh price increase thanks to the epa so I
guess I'll go with the re-chroming this winter. I'm sure I'll be happy with
the results, especially if it helps me get a trophy or two! Thanks again.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Harvey
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:48 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question

Group,

 

I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very dull.
Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that are
on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of my
project car. Any input is appreciated.

 

Steve

Milwaukee
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From joek at camberconstruction.com  Wed Oct 28 16:22:39 2009
From: joek at camberconstruction.com (Joe Kinstle)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The   Question
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca5824$921fe070$b65fa150$@net>
References: <000b01ca5824$921fe070$b65fa150$@net>
Message-ID: <3D873A906EB04CE99395662810A87E77@lapjoek>

Anybody have any experience with the Chrome colored powder coating?

Joe Kinstle
'68 2L
BLK SRL

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Harvey
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:16 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question

Thanks to all who provided input. I had my 2000 valve cover done several
years ago for around the same price and that was a much more labor intense
process for the chromer because it's aluminum and it needed a great amount
of prep work. I understand the Hugh price increase thanks to the epa so I
guess I'll go with the re-chroming this winter. I'm sure I'll be happy with
the results, especially if it helps me get a trophy or two! Thanks again.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Harvey
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:48 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question

Group,

 

I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very dull.
Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that are
on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of my
project car. Any input is appreciated.

 

Steve

Milwaukee
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From bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Oct 28 18:20:42 2009
From: bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com (Brian Hollands)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The   Question
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca5824$921fe070$b65fa150$@net>
Message-ID: <20091029012041392.OCNS1116@hrndva-comm-mta03.mail.rr.com>

Is there no Chinese Chrome????
My plan is to pollute their environment.  I'm thinking that's our only
chance...

Brian
'69 2000
Tampa, FL

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 19:08:12 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:08:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The  Question
In-Reply-To: <20091029012041392.OCNS1116@hrndva-comm-mta03.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <446145787.1876711256782092890.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Probably cost more with the shipping. 

Pete 

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To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:20:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question 

Is there no Chinese Chrome???? 
My plan is to pollute their environment. I'm thinking that's our only 
chance... 

Brian 
'69 2000 
Tampa, FL 
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 28 20:17:25 2009
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:17:25 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The  Question
In-Reply-To: <446145787.1876711256782092890.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <SNT106-W46466CA3BCCC296924CDAFDFB70@phx.gbl>

what about the cost of the stainless ones ?? any one have experience of cost
and look/feel??

> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:08:12 +0000
> From: ppeters914 at comcast.net
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The
Question
>
> Probably cost more with the shipping.
>
> Pete
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Hollands" <bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:20:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The
Question
>
> Is there no Chinese Chrome????
> My plan is to pollute their environment. I'm thinking that's our only
> chance...
>
> Brian
> '69 2000
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From mitch at brooks-planck.org  Thu Oct 29 05:53:17 2009
From: mitch at brooks-planck.org (Mitchell Planck)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The  Question
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W46466CA3BCCC296924CDAFDFB70@phx.gbl>
References: <20091029012041392.OCNS1116@hrndva-comm-mta03.mail.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <7cc4dd590910290553p6699eacahd2e7eb59c8e9467@mail.gmail.com>

I did a quick search and there are several chrome plating alternatives out
there - they seem to mostly use a process similar to painting. You send the
part and they send it back pretty. Paint type prep work - they'll do it if
you haven't (for extra cost of course), then a special coating, some call it
silvering, and some can add some coloring agents to give a gold or other
color. The results looked nice in the pictures and they said it needed care
like any other painted piece.

Does anyone have any experience with that type of coating? I didn't see any
prices but most of the sites said it was cheaper and 'greener' than
traditional chrome plating.

-Mitch

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:17 PM, peter harrison <
granvillecomputing at hotmail.com> wrote:

> what about the cost of the stainless ones ?? any one have experience of
> cost
> and look/feel??
>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:08:12 +0000
> > From: ppeters914 at comcast.net
> > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The
> Question
> >
> > Probably cost more with the shipping.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Hollands" <bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:20:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The
> Question
> >
> > Is there no Chinese Chrome????
> > My plan is to pollute their environment. I'm thinking that's our only
> > chance...
> >
> > Brian
> > '69 2000
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From tputland at charter.net  Thu Oct 29 06:48:58 2009
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 9:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome alternatives---was to Chrome or not to chrome
In-Reply-To: <7cc4dd590910290553p6699eacahd2e7eb59c8e9467@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091029094858.5S301.7779219.root@mp07>

Did you save the links for these companies? Send them to me if you would. I would be willing to send a piece as a test piece.

Tim


---- Mitchell Planck <mitch at brooks-planck.org> wrote: 

=============
I did a quick search and there are several chrome plating alternatives out
there - they seem to mostly use a process similar to painting. You send the
part and they send it back pretty. Paint type prep work - they'll do it if
you haven't (for extra cost of course), then a special coating, some call it
silvering, and some can add some coloring agents to give a gold or other
color. The results looked nice in the pictures and they said it needed care
like any other painted piece.

Does anyone have any experience with that type of coating? I didn't see any
prices but most of the sites said it was cheaper and 'greener' than
traditional chrome plating.

-Mitch

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:17 PM, peter harrison <
granvillecomputing at hotmail.com> wrote:

> what about the cost of the stainless ones ?? any one have experience of
> cost
> and look/feel??
>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:08:12 +0000
> > From: ppeters914 at comcast.net
> > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The
> Question
> >
> > Probably cost more with the shipping.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Hollands" <bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:20:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The
> Question
> >
> > Is there no Chinese Chrome????
> > My plan is to pollute their environment. I'm thinking that's our only
> > chance...
> >
> > Brian
> > '69 2000
> > Tampa, FL
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From mitch at brooks-planck.org  Thu Oct 29 07:06:53 2009
From: mitch at brooks-planck.org (Mitchell Planck)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:06:53 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The  Question
In-Reply-To: <7cc4dd590910290553p6699eacahd2e7eb59c8e9467@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091029012041392.OCNS1116@hrndva-comm-mta03.mail.rr.com>
	<446145787.1876711256782092890.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<SNT106-W46466CA3BCCC296924CDAFDFB70@phx.gbl>
	<7cc4dd590910290553p6699eacahd2e7eb59c8e9467@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7cc4dd590910290706q40c13fb7m925f0e6ac1b54475@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.alternativechrome.com/
http://www.eliteplating.com/

Most of the links I found were for companies selling the system. These two
are ones that actually do it. I'm sure there are more out there too.

-Mitch

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mitchell Planck <mitch at brooks-planck.org>wrote:

> I did a quick search and there are several chrome plating alternatives out
> there - they seem to mostly use a process similar to painting. You send the
> part and they send it back pretty. Paint type prep work - they'll do it if
> you haven't (for extra cost of course), then a special coating, some call it
> silvering, and some can add some coloring agents to give a gold or other
> color. The results looked nice in the pictures and they said it needed care
> like any other painted piece.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with that type of coating? I didn't see any
> prices but most of the sites said it was cheaper and 'greener' than
> traditional chrome plating.
>
> -Mitch

From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Thu Oct 29 07:24:11 2009
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS))
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:24:11 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Pitt Vintage GP pics,
Message-ID: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F8451033046B6@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>

Probably old news, but I stumbled across these today.. (they make great
wallpaper.)
Tom Phelan in amongst them as well.  (and another all red roadster)

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/default.aspx?carID=13086&i=4#menu

this one is my favorite:
http://www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo/409645,13086/1967-Datsun-2000_photo.as
px
(the amount of clearance from tire to fender on the exposed rear tire makes
me wonder what was happening on the other side)

Fergus O

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 29 08:07:10 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:07:10 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome alternatives---was to Chrome or not to chrome
References: <20091029094858.5S301.7779219.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <9917226510B54EE590EFF2D1BD0E9BC8@ranteer.local>

i would be very interested in the outcome.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim" <tputland at charter.net>
To: "Mitchell Planck" <mitch at brooks-planck.org>; 
"datsun-roadsters:autox.team.net" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Chrome alternatives---was to Chrome or not to 
chrome


> Did you save the links for these companies? Send them to me if you would. 
> I would be willing to send a piece as a test piece.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ---- Mitchell Planck <mitch at brooks-planck.org> wrote:

From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 08:23:19 2009
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:23:19 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Pitt Vintage GP pics,
In-Reply-To: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F8451033046B6@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
References: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F8451033046B6@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <2faaebf80910290823m7345911l78963055080634f@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice. The silver '67 is absolutely gorgeous. They weren't this nice
new. At least I don't remember our '70 looking nearly as good.

Ron

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 08:32:18 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:32:18 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Rare 65 Silvia on Ebay
Message-ID: <4F7D868D3D0840C79BDD4198DE98441E@xp>

Check out this 65 Silvia on Ebay in Australia. Some interesting history in
the listing.

<http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220499319036&ssPageNa
me=STRK:MEWAX:IT>

From jeremymayne at msn.com  Thu Oct 29 08:29:47 2009
From: jeremymayne at msn.com (jeremy mayne)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:29:47 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The  Question
In-Reply-To: <3D873A906EB04CE99395662810A87E77@lapjoek>
References: <000b01ca5824$921fe070$b65fa150$@net>
Message-ID: <COL115-W59E09ACDD9F3D3DA292AD7B7B70@phx.gbl>

I had been looking into reflective chrome powdercoating, such as these
Eastwoods products http://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-powder-coating.html but I
wasn't convinced by the look.  I need to able to refinish ALL the brightwork
on my 1600, and powdercoating doesn't look close enough to chrome to me to
chance using it on bumpers, headlight trim, etc.  But the chrome paint/plating
looks better, so I'll be very curious to know if anyone tries it.  To do all
my parts in real chrome would cost more than my car is worth!



Jeremy Mayne

70 SPL stroker

> From: joek at camberconstruction.com
> To: stebharvey at ameritech.net; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:22:39 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The
Question
>
> Anybody have any experience with the Chrome colored powder coating?
>
> Joe Kinstle
> '68 2L
> BLK SRL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Harvey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:16 PM
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question
>
> Thanks to all who provided input. I had my 2000 valve cover done several
> years ago for around the same price and that was a much more labor intense
> process for the chromer because it's aluminum and it needed a great amount
> of prep work. I understand the Hugh price increase thanks to the epa so I
> guess I'll go with the re-chroming this winter. I'm sure I'll be happy with
> the results, especially if it helps me get a trophy or two! Thanks again.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Harvey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:48 AM
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question
>
> Group,
>
>
>
> I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
> Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
> grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very
dull.
> Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that
are
> on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of
my
> project car. Any input is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 08:35:04 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:35:04 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The   Question
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W46466CA3BCCC296924CDAFDFB70@phx.gbl>
References: <20091029012041392.OCNS1116@hrndva-comm-mta03.mail.rr.com>
	<SNT106-W46466CA3BCCC296924CDAFDFB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <03C17E5104D442D2B31EEB8BDCF1C124@xp>

There are stainless bumpers available (mentioned here and discussed on
311s.org), but I've never heard of stainless grilles.

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of peter harrison
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:17 PM
To: datsun
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The
Question

what about the cost of the stainless ones ?? any one have experience of cost
and look/feel??

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Thu Oct 29 09:08:48 2009
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Pitt Vintage GP pics,
In-Reply-To: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F8451033046B6@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
References: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F8451033046B6@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <000a01ca58b2$1b8cdd80$52a69880$@net>

  Tom is in #13 (North Carolina).  Dick Tillinger is driving #33 (New York).
Not sure what number the third white roadster is, but I'd guess it's Doc
Herman (Ohio).  Not sure I've ever seen the red roadster with black trim?

Paul
Ohio

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus P 
Probably old news, but I stumbled across these today.. (they make great
wallpaper.)
Tom Phelan in amongst them as well.  (and another all red roadster)

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/default.aspx?carID=13086&i=4#menu


Fergus O

From bubwin at mts.net  Thu Oct 29 09:12:41 2009
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  To Chrome or Not to Chrome,
 That Is The    Question
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References: <20091029012041392.OCNS1116@hrndva-comm-mta03.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F9A3C92F8B3C4F8DB58DB189234564BA@ownerPC>

Won't work.  They turn it into paint and use it on our kids toys.

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Hollands" <bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The 
Question


> Is there no Chinese Chrome????
> My plan is to pollute their environment.  I'm thinking that's our only
> chance...
>
> Brian
> '69 2000
> Tampa, FL
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 09:19:04 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:19:04 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Doheny All Nissan/ Datsun BBQ Saturday October 31, 2009
Message-ID: <882D4CE845134343BBD2F69C3C6CCD69@xp>

Forwarding.....

  _____  

From: bluebirds-request at bluebirds.datsun510.com
[mailto:bluebirds-request at bluebirds.datsun510.com] On Behalf Of Randy York
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:37 AM
To: 510 List
Subject: Doheny All Nissan/ Datsun BBQ Saturday October 31, 2009






 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAZCA/message/199;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdHRxbWU2BF9TAz
k3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzkyODA0MzQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0OTcxBG1zZ0lkAzE5OQRzZWMDZG
1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjU2ODAxNDMx> 

Hey All!      This Halloween Saturday is the All Datsun BBQ at Doheny Beach,
But you need to RSVP so they know how much food to bring!


RSVP to jjharriss at yahoo. com <mailto:jjharriss%40yahoo.com>  

No RSVP...no soup for you !!!

Doheny All Nissan/ Datsun BBQ
 
Date:  Saturday October 31, 2009 Time:
10:00 am - 4:00 pm

Location:  Doheny State Beach
Street:
 
25300 Dana Point Harbor Drive
City State Zip:
 
Dana Point, CA 92629

Phone:
 
(949) 496-6172 (Doheny SB)
Notes:
 
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
Doheny All Nissan/ Datsun BBQ
10 AM to 4 PM
$15.00 fee to enter the park with a passenger car or truck
Bring a side dish, drinks or a dessert to share.
Please bring canned goods for the food bank!
More Info: http://www.dohenyst atebeach. org
<http://www.dohenystatebeach.org> 

 

RSVP to jjharriss at yahoo. com <mailto:jjharriss%40yahoo.com>  or reply to
this message.
No RSVP...no soup for you !!!

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 09:30:13 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:30:13 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Doheny All Nissan/ Datsun BBQ Saturday October 31, 2009
Message-ID: <ADC1E8DA03C349868FE906A07B8E9911@xp>

Resending without the funky, mangled HTML crap......

-----Original Message-----
From: bluebirds-request at bluebirds.datsun510.com
[mailto:bluebirds-request at bluebirds.datsun510.com] On Behalf Of Randy York
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:37 AM
To: 510 List
Subject: Doheny All Nissan/ Datsun BBQ Saturday October 31, 2009


Hey All!  This Halloween Saturday is the All Datsun BBQ at Doheny Beach, but
you need to RSVP so they know how much food to bring!
	
RSVP to jjharriss at yahoo.com
No RSVP...no soup for you !!!
	
Doheny All Nissan/ Datsun BBQ

Date:  Saturday October 31, 2009 
Time:  10:00 am - 4:00 pm

Location:  Doheny State Beach
Street: 25300 Dana Point Harbor Drive
City State Zip: Dana Point, CA 92629
	
Phone: (949) 496-6172 (Doheny SB)

Notes:
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
Doheny All Nissan/ Datsun BBQ
10 AM to 4 PM
$15.00 fee to enter the park with a passenger car or truck
Bring a side dish, drinks or a dessert to share.
Please bring canned goods for the food bank!

More Info: http://www.dohenystatebeach.org

From alagams at juno.com  Thu Oct 29 09:27:35 2009
From: alagams at juno.com (alagams at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:27:35 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Rare 65 Silvia on Ebay
Message-ID: <20091029.122735.10629.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

Wow, that does look sweet.

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From: "Pete Peters" <ppeters914 at comcast.net>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Roadsters] Rare 65 Silvia on Ebay
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:32:18 -0700

Check out this 65 Silvia on Ebay in Australia. Some interesting history in
the listing.

<http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220499319036&ssPageNa
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From pjmill at sonic.net  Thu Oct 29 10:33:13 2009
From: pjmill at sonic.net (pjmill at sonic.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:33:13 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Rare 65 Silvia on Ebay
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Absolutely stunning!  Gotta track this baby to just see what it sells for!

> Wow, that does look sweet.
>
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> To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Roadsters] Rare 65 Silvia on Ebay
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:32:18 -0700
>
> Check out this 65 Silvia on Ebay in Australia. Some interesting history in
> the listing.
>
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From escanlon at wa-net.com  Thu Oct 29 12:18:08 2009
From: escanlon at wa-net.com (E Scanlon)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:18:08 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The  Question
References: <000b01ca57ee$581c19b0$08544d10$@net>
Message-ID: <647440DE73714EE284540F53A31225D4@HPW>

A friend of mine recently had his 240Z rear bumper, the center piece AND the 
two side pieces, redone at
http://www.denverbumper.com/

He is very satisfied with the finish, the price, and the turn-around time. 
Total price was $250, and about $50 total in shipping both ways.  There were 
some repairs (mounting bolt needed to be replaced / slight dent and some 
straightening) that they did as part of their service.

Price for each of the ends was $75, and $100 for the center piece alone.

Don't know how much for your grille, but it is a TRUE chrome.

Enrique

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harvey" Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] To Chrome or Not to Chrome, That Is The Question


> Group,
>
> I sent out pictures of my 2000 grill to several re-chroming shops here in
> Wisconsin. All returned quotes of around 250.00 to prep and re-chrome the
> grill. The grill is rust and dent free but the original chrome is very 
> dull.
> Has anyone had components powder coated with the chrome-like paints that 
> are
> on the market? $250.00 just seems too expensive for such a small piece of 
> my
> project car. Any input is appreciated.
>
> Steve
> Milwaukee 

From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Thu Oct 29 13:50:59 2009
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (Steve Harvey)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:50:59 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Factory dents?
Message-ID: <000a01ca58d9$851824e0$8f486ea0$@net>

I have three hoods and two cars. In working on my project car's hood I
noticed  spot welding dents on both sides of the lower end of the hood on
both sides of the "DATSUN" emblem. The other two hoods have the same exposed
dents as well. Did not the factory make any attempt to cover up these areas?
In stripping the project car to bare metal I noted the factory lead that was
applied in many areas of the body but not the hood. Interesting. Don't get
me wrong, I love my little car, I'm just wondering why the factory didn't
lead the hood as well. Or, do I have three "special bus" hoods?

 

Steve

From pjmill at sonic.net  Thu Oct 29 15:41:00 2009
From: pjmill at sonic.net (pjmill at sonic.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:41:00 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Factory dents?
In-Reply-To: <000a01ca58d9$851824e0$8f486ea0$@net>
References: <000a01ca58d9$851824e0$8f486ea0$@net>
Message-ID: <238a9aeeb1b3a56203e45d8d227e2654.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>

Typically the quality of body work that was done at Nissan in the early
and mid-'60s was pretty bad, and the quality of the steel wasn't that
great either -- probably recycled Chevys.  It's kinda surprising you
haven't found more "mess" from the factory actually!  My hood had an
actual weld line on the top of it!

> I have three hoods and two cars. In working on my project car's hood I
> noticed  spot welding dents on both sides of the lower end of the hood on
> both sides of the "DATSUN" emblem. The other two hoods have the same
> exposed
> dents as well. Did not the factory make any attempt to cover up these
> areas?
> In stripping the project car to bare metal I noted the factory lead that
> was
> applied in many areas of the body but not the hood. Interesting. Don't get
> me wrong, I love my little car, I'm just wondering why the factory didn't
> lead the hood as well. Or, do I have three "special bus" hoods?
>
>
>
> Steve
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From aultgc at att.net  Thu Oct 29 19:48:01 2009
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Factory dents?
References: <000a01ca58d9$851824e0$8f486ea0$@net>
Message-ID: <90C3B49B4CE4494B9FED1A0AAC459DF9@gaxp1>

Steve,

Many early cars had hoods with seams running left and right from the hood 
scoop which were visible after "finishing".  You can still see traces in the 
hood of my '67-1/2.  Just poor quality metal work.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harvey" <stebharvey at ameritech.net>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Factory dents?


>I have three hoods and two cars. In working on my project car's hood I
> noticed  spot welding dents on both sides of the lower end of the hood on
> both sides of the "DATSUN" emblem. The other two hoods have the same 
> exposed
> dents as well. Did not the factory make any attempt to cover up these 
> areas?
> In stripping the project car to bare metal I noted the factory lead that 
> was
> applied in many areas of the body but not the hood. Interesting. Don't get
> me wrong, I love my little car, I'm just wondering why the factory didn't
> lead the hood as well. Or, do I have three "special bus" hoods?
>
>
>
> Steve
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From aultgc at att.net  Thu Oct 29 20:08:40 2009
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Pitt Vintage GP pics,
References: <CE1C9C26CC18FD4E804F232CEC1F8451033046B6@XMBTX132.northgrum.com>
	<2faaebf80910290823m7345911l78963055080634f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD430CC0DA3E45EA9884EC1760798BD3@gaxp1>

I agree the silver '67 is nice, but, unless the chassis number is misstated, 
it is not an original '67-1/2 2000:  SPL311-13837?

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronnie Day" <ronnie.day at gmail.com>
To: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Pitt Vintage GP pics,


> Very nice. The silver '67 is absolutely gorgeous. They weren't this nice
> new. At least I don't remember our '70 looking nearly as good.
>
> Ron
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From cookefam314 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 12:05:28 2009
From: cookefam314 at gmail.com (Dave Cooke)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:05:28 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters]  Datsun Swag for Christmas?
Message-ID: <83a7d2520910301205r68a5215dh904dfc378fb71d17@mail.gmail.com>

With Christmas just around the corner & only 54 shopping days left, I was
thinking of what I would like for Christmas. My family will undoubtably be
asking me this question soon. Rather than give them a list of the Roadster
parts I need.. I can't imagine my daughter gettin excited about me opening
my gift of a new shift boot or rubber hood bumpers... Sure I would love
these things, but I think my family would be happier getting me something
else, like maybe a Datsun hat, shirt, jacket or other Roadster memoriablia.
So, if you have any webpage links to Datsun swag, etc... reply to this
message with the shopping link. If enough items get posted here, I'd be
happy to throw all the links onto a special webpage on my family website for
your one stop shopping :)
I'll post this on the 311s forum also.

Dave Cooke
Midwest Roadsters

I'll start the ball rolling.... Here's the first Datsun gift link..

http://www.rotary13b1.com/p/1152/Datsun-Baseball-Cap---Style-C.html

From fj201 at cox.net  Fri Oct 30 14:07:17 2009
From: fj201 at cox.net (Ron Hamilton)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:07:17 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Phoenix area roadster people
Message-ID: <4AEB5585.9010401@cox.net>

If you are interested I just put a 1600 motor on craig's list for the 
locals as I can't ship it.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/pts/1444472196.html

Ron

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Fri Oct 30 14:34:55 2009
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:34:55 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Phoenix area roadster people
In-Reply-To: <4AEB5585.9010401@cox.net>
References: <4AEB5585.9010401@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001401ca59a8$d510b460$7f321d20$@net>

  If Ohio wasn't so far from Phoenix, it would be sold!

Paul

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Hamilton
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:07 PM
To: Datsun Forum
Subject: [Roadsters] Phoenix area roadster people

If you are interested I just put a 1600 motor on craig's list for the 
locals as I can't ship it.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/pts/1444472196.html

Ron
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From gsm at gregorysmorrison.com  Fri Oct 30 15:15:28 2009
From: gsm at gregorysmorrison.com (Gregory S. Morrison)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Off topic - Friday Funny
Message-ID: <C710B390.1EEB5%gsm@gregorysmorrison.com>

Just gotta share this.....We wondered why the vintage sconce we ordered
arrived in a somewhat crushed condition. Then we saw the surveillance video
that the lighting store posted on YouTube. And just think, all of those
boxes were for a lighting store, e.g., all contained fragile and/or glass
contents. Unbelievable!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1mhz1-biEY

Have a great weekend,
Greg
SRL31100494 (Roadster content here)

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Fri Oct 30 16:54:20 2009
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:54:20 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Winterizing, carefully
Message-ID: <001801ca59bc$4df36180$e9da2480$@net>

  Last week I decided my roadster riding season was over so I tucked mine in
for the winter.  One of the things I do is fill the gas tank and add some
fuel stabilizer.  But this time, I guess I filled it a bit full on a cold
day.  Today the local temps topped 70 and I got home to the smell of gas in
the garage.  I quick look around and I found a puddle of gas under the fuel
cap.  The warm weather expanded the gas!  Losing a pint of fuel isn't so
bad.  Finding the paint beneath the cap nicely bubbled was not so much fun.
Just another thing to add to my spring routine!

 

Paul

Ohio

From twobeaners at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 30 18:59:36 2009
From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (MH)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:59:36 -0600
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun Swag for Christmas?
References: <83a7d2520910301205r68a5215dh904dfc378fb71d17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008c01ca59cd$ccd7e870$6500a8c0@LAP120>

I can only give my personal recommendation NOT to purchase these kind of
items from CafePress.com, buyer beware. Last Christmas, my wife returned
nearly $200 worth of Datsun related memorabilia from them. We kept a clock
and a sticker.

Also, know that the vendor of the Datsun goods on that site has presented a
less than honorable experience with other members of the roadster community
through Ebay as well. Caveat Emptor or whatever. If others have had a good
experience with him, then good for them.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Cooke" <cookefam314 at gmail.com>
To: "Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun Swag for Christmas?


> With Christmas just around the corner & only 54 shopping days left, I was
> thinking of what I would like for Christmas. My family will undoubtably be
> asking me this question soon. Rather than give them a list of the Roadster
> parts I need.. I can't imagine my daughter gettin excited about me opening
> my gift of a new shift boot or rubber hood bumpers... Sure I would love
> these things, but I think my family would be happier getting me something
> else, like maybe a Datsun hat, shirt, jacket or other Roadster
memoriablia.
> So, if you have any webpage links to Datsun swag, etc... reply to this
> message with the shopping link. If enough items get posted here, I'd be
> happy to throw all the links onto a special webpage on my family website
for
> your one stop shopping :)
> I'll post this on the 311s forum also.
>
> Dave Cooke
> Midwest Roadsters
>
> I'll start the ball rolling.... Here's the first Datsun gift link..
>
> http://www.rotary13b1.com/p/1152/Datsun-Baseball-Cap---Style-C.html
> ________________________________________

From alvingogi at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 30 20:59:53 2009
From: alvingogi at hotmail.com (alvin gogineni)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:59:53 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] North Bay FUN RUN 11/14 or 15th?
Message-ID: <SNT104-W13AA1346F001E829C34707B5B50@phx.gbl>

Is anyone interested in a North Bay fun run on the weekend of 11/14?
Will from Napa('69 SRL) is organizing the run.He was thinking of going out
highway 12 toward Lake Beriessa, then back through Pope Valley over Ink Grade
and back to St Helena or Calistoga or something. If that isn't enough we could
throw Oakville Grade in and go up over Trinity to Sonoma, or over Mt Vider and
back to Napa, or down Dry Creek and back to Napa.
I'd like to hear from the BADROC folks and round up some roadsters. We could
caravan up from the San Jose area.

Alvin Gogineni
San Jose, CA
67.5 SPL/SR20


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From RacerY at comcast.net  Fri Oct 30 21:22:18 2009
From: RacerY at comcast.net (Toby B)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:22:18 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] hood dents
Message-ID: <1a8733b20910302122n10a655ecvd91b30585bf26d72@mail.gmail.com>

There's another explanation-
the seams on my hoods were indeed leaded,
but the hinges bear on those points of the hood.
So over the years, between vibration and rust, the spot weld 'spots'
get pulled down and leave dimples.
It's really more of a case of a design that wasn't very good.
You're not supposed to spot- weld panels in visible places...
but Nissan did it all over the Roadster.

Toby

> I have three hoods and two cars. In working on my project car's hood I
> noticed  spot welding dents on both sides of the lower end of the hood on
> both sides of the "DATSUN" emblem. The other two hoods have the same
exposed
> dents as well. Did not the factory make any attempt to cover up these
areas?
> In stripping the project car to bare metal I noted the factory lead that
was
> applied in many areas of the body but not the hood. Interesting. Don't get
> me wrong, I love my little car, I'm just wondering why the factory didn't
> lead the hood as well. Or, do I have three "special bus" hoods?
>
>
>
> Steve

From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 31 10:01:41 2009
From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:01:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Roadsters] hood dents
Message-ID: <20845413.1257008501419.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Toby, I agree with your take on this.  Spot welding the hood was the design flaw that showed itself after years of use.  Dewey 

-----Original Message-----
>From: Toby B <RacerY at comcast.net>
>Sent: Oct 30, 2009 10:22 PM
>To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Roadsters] hood dents
>
>There's another explanation-
>the seams on my hoods were indeed leaded,
>but the hinges bear on those points of the hood.
>So over the years, between vibration and rust, the spot weld 'spots'
>get pulled down and leave dimples.
>It's really more of a case of a design that wasn't very good.
>You're not supposed to spot- weld panels in visible places...
>but Nissan did it all over the Roadster.
>
>Toby
>
>> I have three hoods and two cars. In working on my project car's hood I
>> noticed  spot welding dents on both sides of the lower end of the hood on
>> both sides of the "DATSUN" emblem. The other two hoods have the same
>exposed
>> dents as well. Did not the factory make any attempt to cover up these
>areas?
>> In stripping the project car to bare metal I noted the factory lead that
>was
>> applied in many areas of the body but not the hood. Interesting. Don't get
>> me wrong, I love my little car, I'm just wondering why the factory didn't
>> lead the hood as well. Or, do I have three "special bus" hoods?
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 31 19:07:08 2009
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:07:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Roadsters] hood dents
In-Reply-To: <1a8733b20910302122n10a655ecvd91b30585bf26d72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1441394185.3028761257041228386.JavaMail.root@sz0115a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

So, what would be the correct way to attach/fix? 

Pete 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Toby B" <RacerY at comcast.net> 
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net 
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:22:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Roadsters] hood dents 

There's another explanation- 

The seams on my hoods were indeed leaded, but the hinges bear on those points of the hood. So over the years, between vibration and rust, the spot weld 'spots' get pulled down and leave dimples. It's really more of a case of a design that wasn't very good. 

You're not supposed to spot- weld panels in visible places... but Nissan did it all over the Roadster. 

Toby