From stebharvey at ameritech.net Sat Mar 1 04:10:05 2008 From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (steb) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:10:05 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. In-Reply-To: <47C8ACA8.8040004@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <003101c87b8c$cdc978f0$0574fea9@steb1> My 68 2000 had the 160 MPH speedo, solex and header installed at the dealer. I've since sold that car but removed all of the 2000 parts for installation on my 70 1600 body. So, I'll have a SPL running around as a SRL. The 160 speedo will look nice once installed but will never have the satisfaction of getting pegged out. Steve Harvey P.S. We may hit 42F this Sunday! Heatwave! -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+stebharvey=ameritech.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+stebharvey=ameritech.net at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Bill Cole Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:09 PM To: Matthew A. Smith Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. As for the late model cars, I believe the 68 2000 came with a 160MPH speedometer, 69 and 70 2000's had the 140 speedometer. Bill You are subscribed as stebharvey at ameritech.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Sat Mar 1 05:45:23 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:45:23 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] 160 MPH Speedo In-Reply-To: <003101c87b8c$cdc978f0$0574fea9@steb1> References: <47C8ACA8.8040004@centurytel.net> <003101c87b8c$cdc978f0$0574fea9@steb1> Message-ID: How amzing is it that a cheap japanese car had the audacity of presentiing itself as the potential of being a 160 mph car in the first place ? We own some amazing little cars - even a 1600 with a 120 mph speedo (only 6K rpm)- could MG/Triumph even come close ? From Keith0alan at aol.com Sat Mar 1 06:53:24 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:53:24 EST Subject: [Roadsters] 160 MPH Speedo Message-ID: In a message dated 3/1/2008 4:45:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, granvillecomputing at hotmail.com writes: How amzing is it that a cheap japanese car had the audacity of presentiing itself as the potential of being a 160 mph car in the first place ? We own some amazing little cars - even a 1600 with a 120 mph speedo (only 6K rpm)- could MG/Triumph even come close ? One of the basics if instrumentation is to never use a gauge that can be pegged by what you are measuring. They are most accurate in the center part of the range. My stock 1600 will do all but a hand full of the 120 speedo. For a car that will do in excess of 120 as the 2000 will the 140 or 160 speedo is a good choice. keith **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com Sat Mar 1 07:08:34 2008 From: jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com (Joe Russo) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:08:34 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 160 MPH Speedo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003f01c87ba5$bdcd0750$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> I drove a 72 Triumph GT6 for ten years (2 litre in-line 6, twin Stromberg 150s, same as the TR250) and the answer from my experience is "Yes, not even close". Although the GT6 was a great handling touring car, it didn't move like my little "Asian girls". And the GT6 could never go topless. Both of my 1970 roadsters have the 140 MPH speedo - one is a SRL (SU) and one is a SPL with a U20/5 speed (SU) that I didn't install. I assume the PO changed the speedo as part of the upgrade. I'm not sure if this was due to drive gear differences or more along the lines of what Keith Williams contributed to this "thread". I have the original 120 mph speedo, R16 and 4 spd tranny as spares. Joe -----Original Message----- To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] 160 MPH Speedo We own some amazing little cars - even a 1600 with a 120 mph speedo (only 6K rpm)- could MG/Triumph even come close ? ________________________________________ From 9laser3 at bright.net Sat Mar 1 07:42:32 2008 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:42:32 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) In-Reply-To: References: <47C8ACA8.8040004@centurytel.net> <003101c87b8c$cdc978f0$0574fea9@steb1> Message-ID: <000001c87baa$7cb877e0$762967a0$@net> According to my big book of sports cars, top speeds are; Datsun 2000 127 Datsun 1500 95 The 1600 didn't list a top speed? The Brits; MGA 100 MGA Twin cam 113 MGB 103 MGC 120 TR3 102 TR4 109 TR5 (TR250) 120 (with optional overdrive) TR6 109 TR7 110 TR8 135 Spitfire 100 GT6 112 Austin Healey 3000 121 (with optional overdrive) The odd; SAAB Sonett II (V4) 100 Volvo 1800ES 115 Alfa 1750 Spider 115 And just for laughs; Cobra 289 138 Cobra 427 165 '67 Corvette 150 Ferrar1 365 GTS 150 Just tried to pick a few from the same years as the roadster was produced. Paul -----Original Message----- could MG/Triumph even come close ? From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 1 08:33:29 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:33:29 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) References: <47C8ACA8.8040004@centurytel.net><003101c87b8c$cdc978f0$0574fea9@steb1> <000001c87baa$7cb877e0$762967a0$@net> Message-ID: <002101c87bb1$bbecb820$800101df@garage.local> great research, paul. thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net> To: "'peter harrison'" ; Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) > According to my big book of sports cars, top speeds are; > > Datsun 2000 127 > Datsun 1500 95 > The 1600 didn't list a top speed? > > The Brits; > MGA 100 > MGA Twin cam 113 > MGB 103 > MGC 120 > TR3 102 > TR4 109 > TR5 (TR250) 120 (with optional overdrive) > TR6 109 > TR7 110 > TR8 135 > Spitfire 100 > GT6 112 > Austin Healey 3000 121 (with optional overdrive) > > The odd; > SAAB Sonett II (V4) 100 > Volvo 1800ES 115 > Alfa 1750 Spider 115 > > And just for laughs; > Cobra 289 138 > Cobra 427 165 > '67 Corvette 150 > Ferrar1 365 GTS 150 > > Just tried to pick a few from the same years as the roadster was > produced. > > Paul From matthews517 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 08:51:08 2008 From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:51:08 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) In-Reply-To: <000001c87baa$7cb877e0$762967a0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Paul! I figure the "stock" numbers are just a matter of the equation of "stock" gearing, "manufacturer reported" HP, and weight. I can't believe they took 5 of these cars out to Bonneville and "drove it till it came apart"! 1 MPH below the average would be its "top speed"! HAHAHAHA! By the late 60's, all American car makers were "reporting" much lower HP's for their engines than were actual, for insurance purposes. 335 HP out of a 428 CJ? Gimee an F'n break! One would think that if you geared the rear end higher, you'd get a little higher top speed. Also, if you started adding things like a header and aftermarket air cleaners for better flow, hotter spark with better plugs, wires, and a 12V EI (i.e. a Boone), better tires and wheels. Where is "top speed now? I saw a Road & Track article from the era that had the 0-60 time for a SRL-311 MUCH, MUCH lower than Loreli is capable of. As I recall, it was somewhere quite a bit over 6.0 or 7.0. I don't know what "light foot" they had driving that day, but... WHAT A PUSSY! LMAO! I have no problem keeping even with a Corvette C5 off the line. A V8 Lotus ate me alive one time, but the close ratio gearing caused him to be slower to 80. He killed me at the line, but I caught him. Anyone who's coming to Mitty know ANYTHING about Solexes? Particularly how to tune them? Contact me individually for what parts/tools I may need to bring and what your "beer" price is! LOL! Headin' out to give Loreli a bath and a rub down, then OFF TO THE HILLS! Sunny and hi 50's today; Sunny and mid 60's tomorrow! Luvin U! Matt -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:43 AM To: 'peter harrison'; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) According to my big book of sports cars, top speeds are; Datsun 2000 127 Datsun 1500 95 The 1600 didn't list a top speed? The Brits; MGA 100 MGA Twin cam 113 MGB 103 MGC 120 TR3 102 TR4 109 TR5 (TR250) 120 (with optional overdrive) TR6 109 TR7 110 TR8 135 Spitfire 100 GT6 112 Austin Healey 3000 121 (with optional overdrive) The odd; SAAB Sonett II (V4) 100 Volvo 1800ES 115 Alfa 1750 Spider 115 And just for laughs; Cobra 289 138 Cobra 427 165 '67 Corvette 150 Ferrar1 365 GTS 150 Just tried to pick a few from the same years as the roadster was produced. Paul -----Original Message----- could MG/Triumph even come close ? You are subscribed as matthews517 at earthlink.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From andycost at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 1 08:51:32 2008 From: andycost at embarqmail.com (andycost at embarqmail.com) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) In-Reply-To: <13186342.4920921204386653315.JavaMail.root@md01.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <9726462.4921111204386692602.JavaMail.root@md01.embarq.synacor.com> I'm pretty sure my roadster will do 160 but I don't have a speedo at all. I suppose I could hook the speed sensor from the tranny into my datalogger. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net> To: "peter harrison" , datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 8:42:32 AM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) According to my big book of sports cars, top speeds are; Datsun 2000 127 Datsun 1500 95 The 1600 didn't list a top speed? The Brits; MGA 100 MGA Twin cam 113 MGB 103 MGC 120 TR3 102 TR4 109 TR5 (TR250) 120 (with optional overdrive) TR6 109 TR7 110 TR8 135 Spitfire 100 GT6 112 Austin Healey 3000 121 (with optional overdrive) The odd; SAAB Sonett II (V4) 100 Volvo 1800ES 115 Alfa 1750 Spider 115 And just for laughs; Cobra 289 138 Cobra 427 165 '67 Corvette 150 Ferrar1 365 GTS 150 Just tried to pick a few from the same years as the roadster was produced. Paul From twobeaners at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 09:14:09 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:14:09 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! Message-ID: <001201c87bb7$4828bc80$6500a8c0@lap> The subject says it all! Well not quite............... Zoweeee! Sheeeeeeeeeeeee........tttt!!!!!! 2375 miles on the new stroker, hope it liked it 102 mph. She was screamin', but I think it was from pleasure not pain! Oh wait! maybe that was me! Can anyone tell I'm havin' a good time? 65 degrees in KC today! Later, got go for another Zoomie! Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed From 9laser3 at bright.net Sat Mar 1 10:32:28 2008 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:32:28 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed, the other big book! Message-ID: <000901c87bc2$3ac15600$b0440200$@net> My other big book, Classic Cars of the World by Quentin Willson, lists the 1600 with a top speed of 169. But that km/h which works out to be about 105 mph. And while it comments that the Datsun does share many stylings with the MGB, it does note that the Datsun came first! Paul Ohio From aultgc at att.net Sat Mar 1 11:10:11 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:10:11 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. References: <001b01c87b3b$c1a2fbb0$2e01a8c0@default> <00c701c87b52$748e80d0$6500a8c0@lap> Message-ID: <000901c87bc7$7e3d3cf0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Mike, I haven't seen an answer to your original question, but then sometimes my messages from the list arrive several days after they were authored. Even when it's a "Reply All" like this one. Unfortunately, no. I believe the speedo and tach in the low-windshield cars are about an inch in diameter larger than the high-windshield cars. We'll see if anyone on the list has contrary information. Gary Ault '66 1600 w/U20 (SU) '67 2000 Solex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike H." To: "Dave Stoll" ; "Matthew A. Smith" ; Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. > While we're on the subject of tachs and speedos, will the late ('68 on) > tachs and speedos fit the holes of the earlier ('66 & '67) dashes? I know > the mounting is different, just want to know if they're the same diameter > fitment. > > Mike Hudson '67n Stroker / 5-s[eed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Stoll" > To: "Matthew A. Smith" ; > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. > > >> and to follow up, is the 160 interchangable with the 140 and still be >> accurate? >> or do you need to change some gearing at the transmission? >> daveS >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matthew A. Smith" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:35 PM >> Subject: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. >> >> >> > While this may be a silly question, where did the 160 MPH speedos come >> > from? >> > ________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > You are subscribed as dgstoll at verizon.net >> > >> > Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> > >> > http://www.team.net/archive >> > >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as twobeaners at earthlink.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Sat Mar 1 11:14:09 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:14:09 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! References: <001201c87bb7$4828bc80$6500a8c0@lap> Message-ID: <000f01c87bc8$0b771b90$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Mike, Is the 102 mph based on your speedo, or GPS? I hate to tell you this, but, at one time, my speedo was so far off it was reading 100 when I was doing only 75. I have had three different speedos in my '66, and I have given up trying to get them calibrated. I drive by the tach: 4000 rpm in 4th, 78 mph. That's with a 4-speed and the correct pinion. My wife gave me a GPS for Christmas, and I plan to "calibrate" things with that device when the weather improves. I'd be interested in hearing other's experiences with stock Nissan speedos for early (or late) cars. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike H." To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > The subject says it all! > > Well not quite............... Zoweeee! Sheeeeeeeeeeeee........tttt!!!!!! > 2375 > miles on the new stroker, hope it liked it 102 mph. She was screamin', but > I > think it was from pleasure not pain! Oh wait! maybe that was me! > > Can anyone tell I'm havin' a good time? 65 degrees in KC today! > > Later, got go for another Zoomie! > > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gsglasgow at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 11:20:04 2008 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:20:04 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. In-Reply-To: <000901c87bc7$7e3d3cf0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: That's correct. The early speedo and tach are about 4 3/4" diameter. The late instrument clusters are about 4". Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gary and Cindy Ault Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:10 AM To: Mike H.; Dave Stoll; Matthew A. Smith; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. Mike, I haven't seen an answer to your original question, but then sometimes my messages from the list arrive several days after they were authored. Even when it's a "Reply All" like this one. Unfortunately, no. I believe the speedo and tach in the low-windshield cars are about an inch in diameter larger than the high-windshield cars. We'll see if anyone on the list has contrary information. Gary Ault '66 1600 w/U20 (SU) '67 2000 Solex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike H." To: "Dave Stoll" ; "Matthew A. Smith" ; Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 160 MPH speedo. > While we're on the subject of tachs and speedos, will the late ('68 on) > tachs and speedos fit the holes of the earlier ('66 & '67) dashes? I know > the mounting is different, just want to know if they're the same diameter > fitment. > > Mike Hudson '67n Stroker / 5-s[eed From tom at datsun2000.com Sat Mar 1 11:27:19 2008 From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:27:19 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) Message-ID: I took my first 2L, a 68 purchased new, and other than tires 100% stock, out to see how fast it would go shortly after I purchased the car. At about 121 mph it started doing the St. Vitas dance on I84 because of the air flow under the car. Now I know why they make air dams, and not to try that again without one. Tom 69 2000 (my third), Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org On 3/1/2008 6:42:32 AM, Paul (9laser3 at bright.net) wrote: > According to my big book of sports cars, top speeds are; > > Datsun 2000 127 > Datsun 1500 95 > The 1600 > didn't list a top speed? > > The Brits; > MGA 100 > MGA Twin cam 113 > MGB 103 > MGC 120 > TR3 102 > TR4 109 > TR5 (TR250) 120 (with optional overdrive) > TR6 109 > TR7 110 > TR8 135 > Spitfire 100 > GT6 112 > Austin Healey 3000 121 (with optional overdrive) > > The odd; > SAAB Sonett II (V4) 100 > Volvo 1800ES 115 > Alfa 1750 Spider 115 > > And just for laughs; > Cobra 289 138 > Cobra 427 165 > '67 > Corvette 150 > Ferrar1 365 GTS 150 > > Just tried to pick a few from the same years as the roadster was produced. > > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > could MG/Triumph even come close ? > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tom at datsun2000.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gsglasgow at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 11:48:44 2008 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:48:44 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Speed, gearing and horsepower In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Changing the gearing won't necessarily give you a higher top speed. To get absolute maximum speed, you need to gear it so that peak HP occurs at that point where wind resistance + rolling resistance exactly equals peak HP. A lot of cars now are geared WAY beyond that in top gear. As an extreme example, My 2002 Maxima 6-speed turns 32 mph/1000 rpm in 6th. With a 6500 rpm redline, this would be 208 mph! I don't think I'm going to get there with 255 hp. If I remember right, 5th is 25 mph/1000 rpm, which would be "only" 162 mph. So my guess is that I'd probably achieve the real top speed in 4th gear. Now, another thing to keep in mind is that the power you have to accelerate is the difference between the power the engine is putting out at a given rpm and the total resistance at that speed. If you do gear the car for absolute maximum speed, you won't have as much power available for acceleration (think about the shape of the curves for HP and drag). So it's definitely a tradeoff. I think the original roadster tires were about 24" diameter. Using that and the 3.70 gearing of the 2000, the 6000 rpm power peak occurs at 139.5 mph. That's probably past the drag curve. It might get up over 120 but would have a hard time accelerating from there. 5500 rpm would get you about 124.5 mph. However, 4th gear at 6500 would be 125.4 mph, which is probably achievable (especially if you leave the top up - convertibles have bad drag coefficients). A couple of final points to keep in mind: - Aerodynamic resistance increases as the SQUARE of the speed. So there is four times as much aero drag at 120 as at 60. - The tires constitute a part of the overall gearing, too. Change the diameter, you've changed the gearing. It's all about the overall relationship between engine rpm and vehicle speed. Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith One would think that if you geared the rear end higher, you'd get a little higher top speed. Also, if you started adding things like a header and aftermarket air cleaners for better flow, hotter spark with better plugs, wires, and a 12V EI (i.e. a Boone), better tires and wheels. Where is "top speed now? From gsglasgow at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 11:59:30 2008 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:59:30 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Skinny, hard-compound 1967 tires and no limited-slip don't make for great launches. Road & Track tested a 1967 2000 and said, "Wheelspin becomes significant with the standard 2000's torque and, with tires that put more rubber on the road than the standard 5.60-14s, acceleration times could be improved considerably." Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:51 AM To: 'Paul'; 'peter harrison'; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) I saw a Road & Track article from the era that had the 0-60 time for a SRL-311 MUCH, MUCH lower than Loreli is capable of. As I recall, it was somewhere quite a bit over 6.0 or 7.0. I don't know what "light foot" they had driving that day, but... WHAT A PUSSY! LMAO! From roadster68 at shaw.ca Sat Mar 1 13:08:02 2008 From: roadster68 at shaw.ca (Larry Dziuba) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:08:02 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 160mph Speedometers References: <000601c87b49$9d20ca20$6076e2d1@DDBHLZ81> Message-ID: <001901c87bd7$f44c10f0$6401a8c0@useravjfzd6udp> I am from western Canada and my 68 2000 solex also has the 160mph speedo. Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Davidson" To: Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: [Roadsters] 160mph Speedometers > Hi Folks: > > > > Most, if not all 1968 2000 roadsters in Canada came with 160 speedos, > solexes, B cam, aluminum oil pan. The 160 speedos have the chrome ring in > the center. The 67 = 2000 of course also had a 160 mph speedo. > > > > Fred > > > > 1969 SRL 311 > > Ontario, Canada > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as roadster68 at shaw.ca > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 13:44:44 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:44:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Top speed (was 160 MPH Speedo) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <271012.95853.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Way back in 1975, I took out my old 69 2000 and raced an Avanti out on a Garden State parkway tool booth. I had SU carbs, a B cam, header exhaust and free flow exhaust I built myself, and I had cleaned up the intake manifold. I had spent a lot of time getting everything "right" and was running Sunoco 260, 101 octane. I beat the Avanti, and we both topped out at the same speed. My speedo, corrected to the somewhat oversized tire OD I had, figured to 135 mph. With the error in the speedo, I guess it was more like 125. But I was ahead by 4 car lengths. It did handle like a leaf in the wind at that point. I sold the car about 2 years later, in fear of my license, I couldn't control the need for speed. I was clocked on radar after beating an Alpha doing 115, and I was decellerating at the time. The cop was a car nut and let me off, believe it or not.... Unfortunately, the buyer's garage burned down a year later.... So long roadster. Jim "Tom @ Datsun2000" wrote: I took my first 2L, a 68 purchased new, and other than tires 100% stock, out to see how fast it would go shortly after I purchased the car. At about 121 mph it started doing the St. Vitas dance on I84 because of the air flow under the car. Now I know why they make air dams, and not to try that again without one. Tom 69 2000 (my third), Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org On 3/1/2008 6:42:32 AM, Paul (9laser3 at bright.net) wrote: > According to my big book of sports cars, top speeds are; > > Datsun 2000 127 > Datsun 1500 95 > The 1600 > didn't list a top speed? > > The Brits; > MGA 100 > MGA Twin cam 113 > MGB 103 > MGC 120 > TR3 102 > TR4 109 > TR5 (TR250) 120 (with optional overdrive) > TR6 109 > TR7 110 > TR8 135 > Spitfire 100 > GT6 112 > Austin Healey 3000 121 (with optional overdrive) > > The odd; > SAAB Sonett II (V4) 100 > Volvo 1800ES 115 > Alfa 1750 Spider 115 > > And just for laughs; > Cobra 289 138 > Cobra 427 165 > '67 > Corvette 150 > Ferrar1 365 GTS 150 > > Just tried to pick a few from the same years as the roadster was produced. > > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > could MG/Triumph even come close ? > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tom at datsun2000.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From daveandlindab at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 15:22:50 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:22:50 -0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: <000f01c87bc8$0b771b90$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <000001c2e145$50a4b600$6700a8c0@chrissy> The GPS is good if you can maintain the speed for a minute or so. Depends on signal strength. The GPS in my work van right now shows a top speed of 141 MPH...Not likley. It must have been in a fringe area and suddenly decided it was "x" from where it's last good fix was "y" seconds ago, and it's little brain did the math. One real good way is to get your odometer calibrated by the mile markers over maybe 10 or 20 miles, longer the better, at normal speed,this will give you speedo error at the mid range. Then get up to maybe 3000rpm,same range, and look at the speedo and work out the RPM vs MPH ratio. If there is no clutch slippage, this is about 100% accurate on a manual trans. Other end of the spectrum from Roadsters, I had a 340 Dodge Dart, 4 speed manual, so no slippage, that turned 2000 rpm @45 mph, so 22.5 mph/1000rpm. I had it up to 7000+ rpm in 4th on night, pretty sure it was over 7200, and the only working dash light ws the tach, so I did the math later. 7000 works out to 157.5, 7200 is 162 etc. Wondered why the Z28 in the other lane was dropping back so fast. Bad idea on Bias ply tires, but that's when I was young and imortal. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Gary and Cindy Ault [mailto:aultgc at att.net] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:14 PM To: Mike H.; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! Mike, Is the 102 mph based on your speedo, or GPS? I hate to tell you this, but, at one time, my speedo was so far off it was reading 100 when I was doing only 75. I have had three different speedos in my '66, and I have given up trying to get them calibrated. I drive by the tach: 4000 rpm in 4th, 78 mph. That's with a 4-speed and the correct pinion. My wife gave me a GPS for Christmas, and I plan to "calibrate" things with that device when the weather improves. I'd be interested in hearing other's experiences with stock Nissan speedos for early (or late) cars. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike H." To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > The subject says it all! > > Well not quite............... Zoweeee! > Sheeeeeeeeeeeee........tttt!!!!!! > 2375 > miles on the new stroker, hope it liked it 102 mph. She was screamin', but > I > think it was from pleasure not pain! Oh wait! maybe that was me! > > Can anyone tell I'm havin' a good time? 65 degrees in KC today! > > Later, got go for another Zoomie! > > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From twobeaners at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 17:04:44 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:04:44 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! References: <001201c87bb7$4828bc80$6500a8c0@lap> <000f01c87bc8$0b771b90$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <008301c87bf9$0564bba0$6500a8c0@lap> Absolutely valid point! Not to mention my NOS speedo I bought 15 years ago dances pretty good around that speed. My tach was reading 4500 in 5th, my gear ratio calculator works it out around 98mph and I have a "corrected" speedo pinion for the 3.9 rear end. It felt like well over 75, gauging the other traffic, though there was very little. Anyway, wasn't bragging or anything, the seat of my pants was telling me it was plenty fast enough! I am taking the speedo to the shop next week, the local guy I talked to said he was familiar with the roadster and even knew about the crimped rings on the speedo. He said he had a special machine that can open those king of rims. I let everyone know how that works out. He also said that even on NOS units the lube dries up and causes flaky needles. We'll see. Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "Mike H." ; Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > Mike, > > Is the 102 mph based on your speedo, or GPS? I hate to tell you this, but, > at one time, my speedo was so far off it was reading 100 when I was doing > only 75. > > I have had three different speedos in my '66, and I have given up trying to > get them calibrated. I drive by the tach: 4000 rpm in 4th, 78 mph. That's > with a 4-speed and the correct pinion. My wife gave me a GPS for Christmas, > and I plan to "calibrate" things with that device when the weather improves. > > I'd be interested in hearing other's experiences with stock Nissan speedos > for early (or late) cars. > > Gary Ault > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike H." > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:14 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > > > > The subject says it all! > > > > Well not quite............... Zoweeee! Sheeeeeeeeeeeee........tttt!!!!!! > > 2375 > > miles on the new stroker, hope it liked it 102 mph. She was screamin', but > > I > > think it was from pleasure not pain! Oh wait! maybe that was me! > > > > Can anyone tell I'm havin' a good time? 65 degrees in KC today! > > > > Later, got go for another Zoomie! > > > > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed > > ________________________________________ From dansummers at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 18:39:01 2008 From: dansummers at comcast.net (dansummers at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:39:01 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Ignition switches Message-ID: <030220080139.359.47CA0535000B14C40000016722058891169C9D0A03039A9C020E0B@comcast.net> I have a 69 2000 I got about a year and a half ago. It had been sitting outside in New Mexico for eight years. I have cleaned up the fuel system from tank to carbs including new fuel lines and filter and changed the oil and filter. But the ignition switch seems to be shot. I went to our local wrecking yard and actually found what they call a 69 2000. I have been pulling everything that I think I will need including the Ignition switch. But when I compare the two switches the one in my car has ACC,GARAGE,ON and START and the plastic cover is held on with a screw that goes into the turn signal mechanism from the bottom. The one from the wrecking yard has GARAGE, ACC ON and START and the plastic cover is held on by a crew in the top of the switch. the back of the switches look the same. Can anyone tell me are these inter changeable? Dan SRL311-03490 From andycost at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 1 18:52:23 2008 From: andycost at embarqmail.com (Andy Cost) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:52:23 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: <008301c87bf9$0564bba0$6500a8c0@lap> Message-ID: The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. I had an electric tach and the factory one hooked up at the same time and they were quite different. Andy From twobeaners at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 20:23:01 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:23:01 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! References: Message-ID: <00e501c87c14$b8e589a0$6500a8c0@lap> You guy's are killin' my thrillin'! LOL! I'm gonna have to go for another drive just put the smile back on my face. I think I'll pull the tach and speedo cables first, though. (smile) Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Cost" To: "Roadster List" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. I had > an electric tach and the factory one hooked up at the same time and they > were quite different. > > Andy From 9laser3 at bright.net Sun Mar 2 05:27:54 2008 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:27:54 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: References: <008301c87bf9$0564bba0$6500a8c0@lap> Message-ID: <000901c87c60$d8028e90$8807abb0$@net> -----Original Message----- The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. ------------------------------ Best description of the gauges in these great little cars is "idiot lights that wave at you". Paul Ohio From aiken1315 at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 2 05:39:54 2008 From: aiken1315 at bellsouth.net (aiken1315 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:39:54 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! Message-ID: <030220081239.6877.47CAA01A0009493F00001ADD22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net> My speedo is a tenth off. 55 is 50, 65 is 59, etc. David -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" > > Mike, > > Is the 102 mph based on your speedo, or GPS? I hate to tell you this, but, > at one time, my speedo was so far off it was reading 100 when I was doing > only 75. > > I have had three different speedos in my '66, and I have given up trying to > get them calibrated. I drive by the tach: 4000 rpm in 4th, 78 mph. That's > with a 4-speed and the correct pinion. My wife gave me a GPS for Christmas, > and I plan to "calibrate" things with that device when the weather improves. > > I'd be interested in hearing other's experiences with stock Nissan speedos > for early (or late) cars. > > Gary Ault > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike H." > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:14 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > > > > The subject says it all! > > > > Well not quite............... Zoweeee! Sheeeeeeeeeeeee........tttt!!!!!! > > 2375 > > miles on the new stroker, hope it liked it 102 mph. She was screamin', but > > I > > think it was from pleasure not pain! Oh wait! maybe that was me! > > > > Can anyone tell I'm havin' a good time? 65 degrees in KC today! > > > > Later, got go for another Zoomie! > > > > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aiken1315 at bellsouth.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 06:01:57 2008 From: roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com (Mike Harper) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 05:01:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: <030220081239.6877.47CAA01A0009493F00001ADD22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net> Message-ID: <671258.47698.qm@web52806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> David, remember how badly your tach was off when we picked your car in in SF? The PO said he never drove the car over 45 mph, which we thought was a bit strange, until we saw that according to the tach, he was red-lining at 45 mph!! Funny. We used a GPS for speed and ignored the tach. The ear worked just fine for RPMs, but we were turning about 10K all the way home across the country back to SC :0 Mike SC --- aiken1315 at bellsouth.net wrote: > My speedo is a tenth off. 55 is 50, 65 is 59, etc. > > David > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" > > > > Mike, > > > > Is the 102 mph based on your speedo, or GPS? I > hate to tell you this, but, > > at one time, my speedo was so far off it was > reading 100 when I was doing > > only 75. > > > > I have had three different speedos in my '66, and > I have given up trying to > > get them calibrated. I drive by the tach: 4000 > rpm in 4th, 78 mph. That's > > with a 4-speed and the correct pinion. My wife > gave me a GPS for Christmas, > > and I plan to "calibrate" things with that device > when the weather improves. > > > > I'd be interested in hearing other's experiences > with stock Nissan speedos > > for early (or late) cars. > > > > Gary Ault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike H." > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:14 AM > > Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first > time! > > > > > > > The subject says it all! > > > > > > Well not quite............... Zoweeee! > Sheeeeeeeeeeeee........tttt!!!!!! > > > 2375 > > > miles on the new stroker, hope it liked it 102 > mph. She was screamin', but > > > I > > > think it was from pleasure not pain! Oh wait! > maybe that was me! > > > > > > Can anyone tell I'm havin' a good time? 65 > degrees in KC today! > > > > > > Later, got go for another Zoomie! > > > > > > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed > > > ________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as aiken1315 at bellsouth.net > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Sun Mar 2 10:22:25 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:22:25 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! References: <008301c87bf9$0564bba0$6500a8c0@lap> <000901c87c60$d8028e90$8807abb0$@net> Message-ID: <003d01c87c89$fc563110$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Paul, My tachhas never "drifted" like the speedos -- and I can cross-check it with my dwell/tach. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net> To: "'Andy Cost'" ; "'Roadster List'" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > -----Original Message----- > > The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. > ------------------------------ > > Best description of the gauges in these great little cars is "idiot > lights > that wave at you". > > Paul > Ohio > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Sun Mar 2 11:24:50 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:24:50 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Ignition switches References: <030220080139.359.47CA0535000B14C40000016722058891169C9D0A03039A9C020E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <008d01c87c92$b404c4e0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Dan, The Nissan parts manual isn't very clear on the application of ignition switches, at least not to me. My guess is that if you exchange the switches, steering lock assemblies and the plastic trim, they will interchange. I think you will have to drill out the screws/bolts which hold the steering lock assembly to the column. FYI, Rallye sells a replacement switch and lock assembly which they say will work on all '68 to '70 cars, but wiring harness terminals may require rework. Anybody else out there care to weigh in on this question? Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Ignition switches >I have a 69 2000 I got about a year and a half ago. It had been sitting >outside in New Mexico for eight years. I have cleaned up the fuel system >from tank to carbs including new fuel lines and filter and changed the oil >and filter. But the ignition switch seems to be shot. I went to our local >wrecking yard and actually found what they call a 69 2000. I have been >pulling everything that I think I will need including the Ignition switch. >But when I compare the two switches the one in my car has ACC,GARAGE,ON and >START and the plastic cover is held on with a screw that goes into the turn >signal mechanism from the bottom. The one from the wrecking yard has >GARAGE, ACC ON and START and the plastic cover is held on by a crew in the >top of the switch. the back of the switches look the same. Can anyone tell >me are these inter changeable? > > Dan > SRL311-03490 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 12:51:56 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:51:56 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to Message-ID: <000201c87c9e$df30bf50$6501a8c0@xp> For those of you not on 311s.org or that missed it... Pete "hoping to finish wiring and insulating the garage today" From Fairlady at putermail.net Sun Mar 2 13:00:21 2008 From: Fairlady at putermail.net (Chas Willis) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:00:21 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Ignition switches In-Reply-To: References: <030220080139.359.47CA0535000B14C40000016722058891169C9D0A03039A9C020E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c87ca0$0c44b4a0$24ce1de0$@net> I just removed my ignition to release my steering lock. I could not believe how easy it was. I followed advice given in this group and used a roto-zip to cut a slot into the head of the two safety screws and they came right out. Good luck. Chas -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+fairlady=putermail.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+fairlady=putermail.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary and Cindy Ault Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:31 PM To: dansummers at comcast.net; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ignition switches Dan, The Nissan parts manual isn't very clear on the application of ignition switches, at least not to me. My guess is that if you exchange the switches, steering lock assemblies and the plastic trim, they will interchange. I think you will have to drill out the screws/bolts which hold the steering lock assembly to the column. FYI, Rallye sells a replacement switch and lock assembly which they say will work on all '68 to '70 cars, but wiring harness terminals may require rework. Anybody else out there care to weigh in on this question? Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Ignition switches >I have a 69 2000 I got about a year and a half ago. It had been sitting >outside in New Mexico for eight years. I have cleaned up the fuel system >from tank to carbs including new fuel lines and filter and changed the oil >and filter. But the ignition switch seems to be shot. I went to our local >wrecking yard and actually found what they call a 69 2000. I have been >pulling everything that I think I will need including the Ignition switch. >But when I compare the two switches the one in my car has ACC,GARAGE,ON and >START and the plastic cover is held on with a screw that goes into the turn >signal mechanism from the bottom. The one from the wrecking yard has >GARAGE, ACC ON and START and the plastic cover is held on by a crew in the >top of the switch. the back of the switches look the same. Can anyone tell >me are these inter changeable? > > Dan > SRL311-03490 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as fairlady at putermail.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From jrdmf at aol.com Sun Mar 2 13:31:44 2008 From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:31:44 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: <000901c87c60$d8028e90$8807abb0$@net> References: <008301c87bf9$0564bba0$6500a8c0@lap> <000901c87c60$d8028e90$8807abb0$@net> Message-ID: <8CA4ABB90A28CC0-F6C-7404@webmail-nd01.sysops.aol.com> You would actually be surprised at how accurate these gauges were when new and how accurate they can become?once they are repaired properly.?The problem starts when?we mix different size wheels and tires or?substitute the wrong cables to drive them. (And from there is gets worse through the?mutlitude of attempted?repairs performed on the kitchen table) Believe it or not, they still use the very same style mechanical tachometer on virtually all small aircraft as are used in our cars and I have seen them last well over 30 years.?Most of our cars are?over 40 years old so it's not?a stretch so say they may need a little attention but if done correctly, you will probably only need it done once. Just my .02c Jon Frampton Huntington Beach Ca -----Original Message----- From: Paul <9laser3 at bright.net> To: 'Andy Cost' ; 'Roadster List' Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 4:27 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! -----Original Message----- The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. ------------------------------ Best description of the gauges in these great little cars is "idiot lights that wave at you". Paul Ohio ________________________________________ From matthews517 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 2 14:30:11 2008 From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:30:11 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: <8CA4ABB90A28CC0-F6C-7404@webmail-nd01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Good excuse to "invest" in some electronic/digital gauges. HAHAHAHA! Come on! Your wife will buy that one! "It's cheaper than all those damn speeding tickets, honey!" -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jrdmf at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:32 PM To: 9laser3 at bright.net; andycost at embarqmail.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! You would actually be surprised at how accurate these gauges were when new and how accurate they can become?once they are repaired properly.?The problem starts when?we mix different size wheels and tires or?substitute the wrong cables to drive them. (And from there is gets worse through the?mutlitude of attempted?repairs performed on the kitchen table) Believe it or not, they still use the very same style mechanical tachometer on virtually all small aircraft as are used in our cars and I have seen them last well over 30 years.?Most of our cars are?over 40 years old so it's not?a stretch so say they may need a little attention but if done correctly, you will probably only need it done once. Just my .02c Jon Frampton Huntington Beach Ca -----Original Message----- From: Paul <9laser3 at bright.net> To: 'Andy Cost' ; 'Roadster List' Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 4:27 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! -----Original Message----- The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. ------------------------------ Best description of the gauges in these great little cars is "idiot lights that wave at you". Paul Ohio From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 15:47:45 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:47:45 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c87cb7$6ef7c490$6501a8c0@xp> So, any comments from those running aftermarket gauges? Alvin (Classic) and MarkS (Auto Meter) come to mind. Ever check 'em for accuracy? Pete "grabbing another soda while waiting for Debbie to get more GFI's and 12ga from Big Orange." -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:30 PM To: jrdmf at aol.com; 9laser3 at bright.net; andycost at embarqmail.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! Good excuse to "invest" in some electronic/digital gauges. HAHAHAHA! Come on! Your wife will buy that one! "It's cheaper than all those damn speeding tickets, honey!" -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jrdmf at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:32 PM To: 9laser3 at bright.net; andycost at embarqmail.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! You would actually be surprised at how accurate these gauges were when new and how accurate they can become?once they are repaired properly.?The problem starts when?we mix different size wheels and tires or?substitute the wrong cables to drive them. (And from there is gets worse through the?mutlitude of attempted?repairs performed on the kitchen table) Believe it or not, they still use the very same style mechanical tachometer on virtually all small aircraft as are used in our cars and I have seen them last well over 30 years.?Most of our cars are?over 40 years old so it's not?a stretch so say they may need a little attention but if done correctly, you will probably only need it done once. Just my .02c Jon Frampton Huntington Beach Ca -----Original Message----- From: Paul <9laser3 at bright.net> To: 'Andy Cost' ; 'Roadster List' Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 4:27 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! -----Original Message----- The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. ------------------------------ Best description of the gauges in these great little cars is "idiot lights that wave at you". Paul Ohio Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com Sun Mar 2 16:28:48 2008 From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:28:48 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] 150MPH speedo? Message-ID: <006801c87cbd$2abde3d0$6500a8c0@OFFICEPC> To put one more wrinkle into the speedometer gauge: I have a 69 2000 with solexes that was bought new in Japan. It has a 240 KPH speedo: that works out to 150 MPH. Mark Miller Sebastopol, CA From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com Sun Mar 2 16:32:51 2008 From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:32:51 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Inside RH door release needed. Message-ID: <006901c87cbd$bbf1ac60$6500a8c0@OFFICEPC> Hey, does anyone have a spare inside right side door handle for a 69 to spare/ for sale? The pot metal handle had the little hook that pulls the rod break off the other day. It was terrible - I was trapped in the car for hours!, almost as bad as when I got stuck for 2 days on an escalator in the big NY blackout of 1975 8^() ! Thanks, Mark Miller 69 RHD Fairlady 2000 Sebastopol, Ca From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 16:41:43 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:41:43 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] 150MPH speedo? In-Reply-To: <006801c87cbd$2abde3d0$6500a8c0@OFFICEPC> Message-ID: <000001c87cbe$f9651180$6501a8c0@xp> Kewl. Got a pic? Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Miller Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:29 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] 150MPH speedo? To put one more wrinkle into the speedometer gauge: I have a 69 2000 with solexes that was bought new in Japan. It has a 240 KPH speedo: that works out to 150 MPH. Mark Miller Sebastopol, CA From twobeaners at earthlink.net Sun Mar 2 16:52:54 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:52:54 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to References: <000201c87c9e$df30bf50$6501a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <004c01c87cc0$88959a90$6500a8c0@lap> Far Out, Man! Groovy! Mike Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Peters" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to > For those of you not on 311s.org or that missed it... > > > > Pete "hoping to finish wiring and insulating the garage today" From twobeaners at earthlink.net Sun Mar 2 16:58:47 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:58:47 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! References: <008301c87bf9$0564bba0$6500a8c0@lap><000901c87c60$d8028e90$8807abb0$@net> <003d01c87c89$fc563110$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <008301c87cc1$5b1feb50$6500a8c0@lap> That's a good point, too. I had neglected to respond to one comment about this subject, and that was that my tach is on the money, up to 4000 rpms anyway, when checked against a dwell/tach. Mike Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net>; "'Andy Cost'" ; "'Roadster List'" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > Paul, > > My tachhas never "drifted" like the speedos -- and I can cross-check it with > my dwell/tach. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net> > To: "'Andy Cost'" ; "'Roadster List'" > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. > > ------------------------------ > > > > Best description of the gauges in these great little cars is "idiot > > lights > > that wave at you". > > > > Paul > > Ohio From RHCsports at aol.com Sun Mar 2 17:47:28 2008 From: RHCsports at aol.com (RHCsports at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:47:28 EST Subject: [Roadsters] Which Cam should I use, 1600 stroker? Message-ID: Hi All, I am stroking my R16, using a 2L crank (unmodified nose except the keyways), 2L roads and pistons. I have in my possession 5 camshafts, and am wondering which one you racers/runners think might be the best or even what they are. The markings on them are: 1. (block lettering) Iskederian DS 99 OCNS W 2. (hand scribed) 283 N 6276cc Iskederian OCUS 09 DR-99 5651 3. (hand scribed) W88M 1715 cc Iskederian OWS 09 Z.M. 66+10 5651 4. (block) ERSON HIFLOW 2m 199 10 87G 5. 33 (that's it, dimensions looks like the isky's.) I already have a driver, so I am trying to make this car my "RUN" car. It will scoot!! Also, once I have decided on a cam for my engine, I may be willing to let the other cams go to members of the list if you are interested. Yes, these are the cams that just sold on ebay last week. They were left over from a full race 1600. Thanks All, Ron Eastman Whittier, Ca. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From aultgc at att.net Sun Mar 2 21:08:59 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper Overriders Message-ID: <000801c87ce4$4f346280$6402a8c0@gaxp1> I have three bumper overriders available for the cost of shipping. These were given to me by Peter Harrison, and I subsequently bought two rechromed overriders. (That was the plan for these.) Since I no longer need them, I am happy to pass them on. If interested, drop me a note off-list at aultgc at att.net. I can send a photo off-list, if you wish. Gary Ault From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Sun Mar 2 21:47:59 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:47:59 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! Message-ID: <001201c87ce9$c192d9b0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> I have organized almost all of my roadster pictures into one Webshots address here: http://community.webshots.com/user/alving044 There are 18 albums sorted by content. For example if you wanted to see roadster dashboards then find the "Interior-Dash/Gauges" album. I will continue to add pictures to the albums but please feel free to contribute to any of them. -The "roadsters in print" album is not finished. If your Datsun was featured in literature please send me a scan so I can add it. -Any frame-off/restoration photos would be appreciated too! From gsglasgow at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 22:00:21 2008 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:00:21 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! In-Reply-To: <001201c87ce9$c192d9b0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Message-ID: MOARPA - The Mother Of All Roadster Photo Albums! Way cool, Alvin. Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Alvin Gogineni Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:48 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! I have organized almost all of my roadster pictures into one Webshots address here: http://community.webshots.com/user/alving044 There are 18 albums sorted by content. For example if you wanted to see roadster dashboards then find the "Interior-Dash/Gauges" album. I will continue to add pictures to the albums but please feel free to contribute to any of them. -The "roadsters in print" album is not finished. If your Datsun was featured in literature please send me a scan so I can add it. -Any frame-off/restoration photos would be appreciated too! Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Sun Mar 2 22:01:26 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:01:26 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! In-Reply-To: References: <001201c87ce9$c192d9b0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Message-ID: <003401c87ceb$a260c9b0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> 481 pictures with more on the way! Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Glasgow [mailto:gsglasgow at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:00 PM To: Alvin Gogineni; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! MOARPA - The Mother Of All Roadster Photo Albums! Way cool, Alvin. Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Alvin Gogineni Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:48 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! I have organized almost all of my roadster pictures into one Webshots address here: http://community.webshots.com/user/alving044 There are 18 albums sorted by content. For example if you wanted to see roadster dashboards then find the "Interior-Dash/Gauges" album. I will continue to add pictures to the albums but please feel free to contribute to any of them. -The "roadsters in print" album is not finished. If your Datsun was featured in literature please send me a scan so I can add it. -Any frame-off/restoration photos would be appreciated too! Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tminerpcav at aol.com Mon Mar 3 10:08:20 2008 From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: <8CA4ABB90A28CC0-F6C-7404@webmail-nd01.sysops.aol.com> References: <008301c87bf9$0564bba0$6500a8c0@lap> <000901c87c60$d8028e90$8807abb0$@net> <8CA4ABB90A28CC0-F6C-7404@webmail-nd01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA4B685036FA5E-53C-768E@webmail-nd17.sysops.aol.com> You talk like you're some kind of guage "expert".? Where do you "get off" talkin' like that. Just my two cents. Tim Miner ---- Original Message ---- From: jrdmf at aol.com To: 9laser3 at bright.net; andycost at embarqmail.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! You would actually be surprised at how accurate these gauges were when new and how accurate they can become?once they are repaired properly.?The problem starts when?we mix different size wheels and tires or?substitute the wrong cables to drive them. (And from there is gets worse through the?mutlitude of attempted?repairs performed on the kitchen table) Believe it or not, they still use the very same style mechanical tachometer on virtually all small aircraft as are used in our cars and I have seen them last well over 30 years.?Most of our cars are?over 40 years old so it's not?a stretch so say they may need a little attention but if done correctly, you will probably only need it done once. Just my .02c Jon Frampton Huntington Beach Ca -----Original Message----- From: Paul <9laser3 at bright.net> To: 'Andy Cost' ; 'Roadster List' Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 4:27 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! -----Original Message----- The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. ------------------------------ Best description of the gauges in these great little cars is "idiot lights that wave at you". Paul Ohio ________________________________________ You are subscribed as tminerpcav at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________________________________________ Need a free e-mail account? Get one now at Mail.AOL.ca From info at sportsimports.ca Mon Mar 3 10:13:15 2008 From: info at sportsimports.ca (Ross Mullen / Sports Imports) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:13:15 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: <8CA4B685036FA5E-53C-768E@webmail-nd17.sysops.aol.com> References: <008301c87bf9$0564bba0$6500a8c0@lap> <000901c87c60$d8028e90$8807abb0$@net> <8CA4ABB90A28CC0-F6C-7404@webmail-nd01.sysops.aol.com> <8CA4B685036FA5E-53C-768E@webmail-nd17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: he is gauge expert. Does it for a living.... Ross sports imports On 3-Mar-08, at 9:08 AM, tminerpcav at aol.com wrote: > You talk like you're some kind of guage "expert".? Where do you > "get off" talkin' like that. > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > Tim Miner > > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: jrdmf at aol.com > To: 9laser3 at bright.net; andycost at embarqmail.com; datsun- > roadsters at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:31 pm > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > > > > > You would actually be surprised at how accurate these gauges were > when new and > how accurate they can become?once they are repaired properly.?The > problem starts > when?we mix different size wheels and tires or?substitute the wrong > cables to > drive them. (And from there is gets worse through the?mutlitude of > attempted?repairs performed on the kitchen table) Believe it or > not, they still > use the very same style mechanical tachometer on virtually all > small aircraft as > are used in our cars and I have seen them last well over 30 years.? > Most of our > cars are?over 40 years old so it's not?a stretch so say they may > need a little > attention but if done correctly, you will probably only need it > done once. > > Just my .02c > > Jon Frampton > Huntington Beach Ca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul <9laser3 at bright.net> > To: 'Andy Cost' ; 'Roadster List' roadsters at autox.team.net> > Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 4:27 am > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > The factory tach is at least as inaccurate as the speedo if not more. > ------------------------------ > > Best description of the gauges in these great little cars is > "idiot lights > that wave at you". > > Paul > Ohio > ________________________________________ > You are subscribed as tminerpcav at aol.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Need a free e-mail account? Get one now at Mail.AOL.ca > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as info at sportsimports.ca > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From vze2fhba at verizon.net Mon Mar 3 08:16:38 2008 From: vze2fhba at verizon.net (Charles Breault) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:16:38 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to References: <000201c87c9e$df30bf50$6501a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <000001c87d62$90098870$60f9fea9@home> Always loved that song Charlie B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Peters" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to > For those of you not on 311s.org or that missed it... > > > > Pete "hoping to finish wiring and insulating the garage today" From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:05:52 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:05:52 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] 1970 Windshield R&R Message-ID: Having eliza totally repainted (body on) and also need to do some work under the dash Looked on 311s for details - but couldn't find anything What do I need to do to remove the windshield - presume I will need a new gasket ?? Any info gladly accepted Thx Peter From francis67datsun at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 15:41:15 2008 From: francis67datsun at yahoo.com (Francis Anand) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:41:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! In-Reply-To: <001201c87ce9$c192d9b0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Message-ID: <380168.87967.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Nice job buddy . Alvin Gogineni wrote: I have organized almost all of my roadster pictures into one Webshots address here: http://community.webshots.com/user/alving044 There are 18 albums sorted by content. For example if you wanted to see roadster dashboards then find the "Interior-Dash/Gauges" album. I will continue to add pictures to the albums but please feel free to contribute to any of them. -The "roadsters in print" album is not finished. If your Datsun was featured in literature please send me a scan so I can add it. -Any frame-off/restoration photos would be appreciated too! You are subscribed as francis67datsun at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From daveandlindab at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 16:33:43 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:33:43 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! In-Reply-To: <001201c87ce9$c192d9b0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Message-ID: <001e01c87d87$05b034b0$6700a8c0@chrissy> The site is great, but how do we contribute, email to you, or direct on the site? Excuse my technical ignorance, Computers are not my best subject. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Alvin Gogineni [mailto:gogineni.alvin at gene.com] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:48 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! I have organized almost all of my roadster pictures into one Webshots address here: http://community.webshots.com/user/alving044 There are 18 albums sorted by content. For example if you wanted to see roadster dashboards then find the "Interior-Dash/Gauges" album. I will continue to add pictures to the albums but please feel free to contribute to any of them. -The "roadsters in print" album is not finished. If your Datsun was featured in literature please send me a scan so I can add it. -Any frame-off/restoration photos would be appreciated too! From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Mon Mar 3 16:37:26 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:37:26 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! In-Reply-To: <001e01c87d87$05b034b0$6700a8c0@chrissy> References: <001201c87ce9$c192d9b0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> <001e01c87d87$05b034b0$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <020701c87d87$8a0bdf70$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Dave, You can: -e-mail me the photos (alvin at gene.com) -Send me photos to scan -----Original Message----- From: dave [mailto:daveandlindab at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:34 PM To: 'Alvin Gogineni' Cc: Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! The site is great, but how do we contribute, email to you, or direct on the site? Excuse my technical ignorance, Computers are not my best subject. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Alvin Gogineni [mailto:gogineni.alvin at gene.com] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:48 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Pictures in ONE place!! I have organized almost all of my roadster pictures into one Webshots address here: http://community.webshots.com/user/alving044 There are 18 albums sorted by content. For example if you wanted to see roadster dashboards then find the "Interior-Dash/Gauges" album. I will continue to add pictures to the albums but please feel free to contribute to any of them. -The "roadsters in print" album is not finished. If your Datsun was featured in literature please send me a scan so I can add it. -Any frame-off/restoration photos would be appreciated too! From daveandlindab at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 16:36:50 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c87d87$751fe2a0$6700a8c0@chrissy> A definate Rosanne Rosannadanna "Never Mind" moment. -----Original Message----- From: Ross Mullen / Sports Imports [mailto:info at sportsimports.ca] he is gauge expert. Does it for a living.... Ross sports imports On 3-Mar-08, at 9:08 AM, tminerpcav at aol.com wrote: > You talk like you're some kind of guage "expert".? Where do you > "get off" talkin' like that. From tminerpcav at aol.com Mon Mar 3 18:00:51 2008 From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! In-Reply-To: <001f01c87d87$751fe2a0$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <8CA4BAA532866C4-BF4-1710@webmail-ne13.sysops.aol.com> OK,? I'd better put this to rest.? Jon and I are good friends, and I was just goofin' with him. But, thank you all for setting me straight. Tim Miner ---- Original Message ---- From: dave To: 'Ross Mullen / Sports Imports' Cc: Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Passed 100mph for the first time! A definate Rosanne Rosannadanna "Never Mind" moment. -----Original Message----- From: Ross Mullen / Sports Imports [mailto:info at sportsimports.ca] he is gauge expert. Does it for a living.... Ross sports imports On 3-Mar-08, at 9:08 AM, tminerpcav at aol.com wrote: > You talk like you're some kind of guage "expert".? Where do you > "get off" talkin' like that. You are subscribed as tminerpcav at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________________________________________ Need a free e-mail account? Get one now at Mail.AOL.ca From nmleeds at mindspring.com Mon Mar 3 18:14:40 2008 From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:14:40 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? Message-ID: <20582118.1204593281031.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I didn't realize there was such a person, and now, if this is true, I have a whole mess of questions. Let me know before I go to my "frustration" notebooks to assemble a question filled e-mail. I've not been so excited since I met Dr. Science when I was in the fifth grade. N From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Mon Mar 3 18:33:37 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:33:37 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] ZCarGarage Open House/Dyno Day 3/8 Message-ID: <007901c87d97$c4d6bc00$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> All, Come to the shop this Saturday and dyno your roadster! This is a great opportunity to see how well your roadster is running/get a baseline before your rebuild or add go-fast parts. There will be plenty of Datsun folks to mingle with as well! ZCarGarage is in San Jose, CA close to SJC airport. Details here on the ZONC website: http://www.zonc.org/index.html Flyer: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2455131890102308741yIPwff See you there! From jrdmf at aol.com Mon Mar 3 19:52:07 2008 From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:52:07 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? In-Reply-To: <20582118.1204593281031.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20582118.1204593281031.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CA4BB9DE281102-1560-568@webmail-nd08.sysops.aol.com> I would be insulted by that comment if it didn't come from a guy who obviously couldn't "fix dinner"? I tell you what there genius.... Next time you jump on that Airplane to visit Ma and Pa Kettle and are flying along fat dumb and ignorant you can ask yourself "is there really a gauge expert"? And hope to God he used the calibrated pipe wrench and the fresh roll of duct tape when he repaired the gauges on your Aircraft? ? If you're going to insult a man's occupation you should at least have the nads to sign your name? Jon Frampton Huntington Beach -----Original Message----- From: nmleeds at mindspring.com To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 5:14 pm Subject: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? I didn't realize there was such a person, and now, if this is true, I have a whole mess of questions. Let me know before I go to my "frustration" notebooks to assemble a question filled e-mail. I've not been so excited since I met Dr. Science when I was in the fifth grade. N You are subscribed as jrdmf at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From alvingogi at hotmail.com Mon Mar 3 20:42:26 2008 From: alvingogi at hotmail.com (alvin gogineni) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:42:26 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? In-Reply-To: <8CA4BB9DE281102-1560-568@webmail-nd08.sysops.aol.com> References: <20582118.1204593281031.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CA4BB9DE281102-1560-568@webmail-nd08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: All this "gauge" talk reminds me of a Seinfeld episode... Jerry: What is that, a 12 gauge? Cop: Yeah. Jerry: 12 gauge. Seems to be the most popular gauge. George: My favorite. Jerry: Mine too, love the 12 gauge. George: Makes the 11 gauge look like a cap pistol. Alvin Gogineni San Jose, CA 67.5 SPL/SR20 > To: nmleeds at mindspring.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:52:07 -0500 > From: jrdmf at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? > > I would be insulted by that comment if it didn't come from a guy who obviously couldn't "fix dinner"? > > I tell you what there genius.... Next time you jump on that Airplane to visit Ma and Pa Kettle and are flying along fat dumb > and ignorant you can ask yourself "is there really a gauge expert"? And hope to God he used the calibrated pipe wrench and > the fresh roll of duct tape when he repaired the gauges on your Aircraft? > ? > > If you're going to insult a man's occupation you should at least have the nads to sign your name? > > > Jon Frampton > Huntington Beach > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nmleeds at mindspring.com > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 5:14 pm > Subject: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? > > > > > I didn't realize there was such a person, and now, if this is true, I have a > whole mess of questions. Let me know before I go to my "frustration" notebooks > to assemble a question filled e-mail. > > I've not been so excited since I met Dr. Science when I was in the fifth grade. > > N > You are subscribed as jrdmf at aol.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as alvingogi at hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. From hallosb at juno.com Mon Mar 3 20:55:53 2008 From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:55:53 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] OT: A real honest-to-god gauge expert? Message-ID: <20080303.205553.6741.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> My personal favorite is from Mr. Mom: Michael Keaton claims he's re-modeling the house, including the electrical. His wife's business partner asks: So, what are you running 220? Michael Keaton: 220 ... 221 .... whatever it takes. Dan McHatton '66 1600 -------------------- All this "gauge" talk reminds me of a Seinfeld episode...Jerry: What is that, a 12 gauge?Cop: Yeah.Jerry: 12 gauge. Seems to be the most popular gauge.George: My favorite.Jerry: Mine too, love the 12 gauge.George: Makes the 11 gauge look like a cap pistol.Alvin GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20 _____________________________________________________________ Keep your cool with great prices on name brand refrigerators. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iigSYb7QrKWgSsv4k6tVmvqy2Anl jmUM4BrPYDS4sW3oyTFNE/ From dansummers at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 21:38:03 2008 From: dansummers at comcast.net (dansummers at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:38:03 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: <030420080438.15098.47CCD22B000DE44E00003AFA22058891169C9D0A03039A9C020E0B@comcast.net> I plan to pull the cylinder head on a u20. The previous owner of my car told me today that he had the head welded many years ago and that if I could get this one at a reasonable price I should get it.I am pulling it at a wrecking yard and have never pulled one. Can anyone give me any pointers on how to pull it with out damaging it. Or point me in the right directions for the info. Dan 69 - 2000 From bubwin at mts.net Mon Mar 3 22:42:36 2008 From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:42:36 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? In-Reply-To: <8CA4BB9DE281102-1560-568@webmail-nd08.sysops.aol.com> References: <20582118.1204593281031.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CA4BB9DE281102-1560-568@webmail-nd08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <559CE2F2CAF249E185A4419418E085E2@ownerPC> My Father-in-Law (now deceased) spent his career in the Canadian Air force from WWII until 1976 repairing Aircraft instruments, and training new techs on the trade as well. I knew there was such an occupation. He worked on instruments for DC-3, DC-4, Harvards, several Grumman planes, Sabres, T-33 trainers, F104's (CF104's to us Canucks), Convairs. Hercules, all the way up to Boeing 707's. I love aircraft, and loved to talk about it with him. After he died, while cleaning his garage and house out, we found all sorts of old tools, switches parts and instruments, which we have since donated to an aviation museum. A highly specialized job, instrument techs are like gods. Bob Winslade 1966-1600 Missy 1967-1600 Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? >I would be insulted by that comment if it didn't come from a guy who >obviously couldn't "fix dinner"? > > I tell you what there genius.... Next time you jump on that Airplane to > visit Ma and Pa Kettle and are flying along fat dumb > and ignorant you can ask yourself "is there really a gauge expert"? And > hope to God he used the calibrated pipe wrench and > the fresh roll of duct tape when he repaired the gauges on your Aircraft? > ? > > If you're going to insult a man's occupation you should at least have the > nads to sign your name? > > > Jon Frampton > Huntington Beach > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nmleeds at mindspring.com > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 5:14 pm > Subject: [Roadsters] A real honest-to-god gauge expert? > > > > > I didn't realize there was such a person, and now, if this is true, I have > a > whole mess of questions. Let me know before I go to my "frustration" > notebooks > to assemble a question filled e-mail. > > I've not been so excited since I met Dr. Science when I was in the fifth > grade. > > N > You are subscribed as jrdmf at aol.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bubwin at mts.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From fj20spl311 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 16:55:50 2008 From: fj20spl311 at yahoo.com (philip erickson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:55:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Windshield gasket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <268857.13443.qm@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One way to remove a 68-70 windshield safely is to cut the gasket on the inside after you remove the dash. I have safely removed both safely without cutting the old gasket and therefore was able to reuse the old gasket. You need to be very careful in releasing the gasket from the window frame on the outsideof the lip from the interior even if you cut the interior lip of the gasket. I used a curved pick and rubber lube....take your time and onle push on the windshield after the gasket is loose. Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From daveandlindab at comcast.net Tue Mar 4 17:57:02 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <030420080438.15098.47CCD22B000DE44E00003AFA22058891169C9D0A03039A9C020E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601c87e5b$d3f06550$6700a8c0@chrissy> It's not too complex, Cam cover off, usually both manifolds off or at least disconnect the header and remove it from the head and exhaust pipe. Cam gear unbolts from the cam, and you can use the the little bolt to hold it to the top of the timing chain bracket, it will make sense when you see it. There are, I believe 2 small bolts or studs from the head to the timing cover, and that bolt I ALWAYS forget that holds the timing chain guide to the head. IIRC Small bolts are 10 mm head, standard wrench, the head bolts are 10mm Allen head. If you don't have hex (allen) sockets, what I do is buy a 10mm "l" shaped allen wrench, cut it on the long arm so it's about 1-2 inches long, stick it in a regular 10mm socket and wrap some tape to hold it. Couldn't find anything online , but the basic Chilton manual covers it all. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: dansummers at comcast.net [mailto:dansummers at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:38 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head I plan to pull the cylinder head on a u20. The previous owner of my car told me today that he had the head welded many years ago and that if I could get this one at a reasonable price I should get it.I am pulling it at a wrecking yard and have never pulled one. Can anyone give me any pointers on how to pull it with out damaging it. Or point me in the right directions for the info. Dan 69 - 2000 From bubwin at mts.net Tue Mar 4 22:30:34 2008 From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:30:34 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <000601c87e5b$d3f06550$6700a8c0@chrissy> References: <000601c87e5b$d3f06550$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <89BA588A309F46DFA9BAA10EB6BF28D4@ownerPC> When loosening the head bolts, start at the front and crack the first two head bolts loose, about 1/4 turn, then the back two by the firewall, then the second row from the front, then the second last etc. Once they are all loosened 1/4 turn, loosen then another couple turns. Tap on the side of the head with a rubber mallet or dead blow hammer, or jiggle the manifolds until the head pops loose. Then remove the bolts and head. Basically the reverse of installation. This minimizes any chance of warpage. Bob Winslade 1966-1600 Missy 1967-1600 Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: " Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net" Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head > It's not too complex, Cam cover off, usually both manifolds off or at > least > disconnect the header and remove it from the head and exhaust pipe. Cam > gear unbolts from the cam, and you can use the the little bolt to hold it > to > the top of the timing chain bracket, it will make sense when you see it. > There are, I believe 2 small bolts or studs from the head to the timing > cover, and that bolt I ALWAYS forget that holds the timing chain guide to > the head. IIRC Small bolts are 10 mm head, standard wrench, the head bolts > are 10mm Allen head. If you don't have hex (allen) sockets, what I do is > buy a 10mm "l" shaped allen wrench, cut it on the long arm so it's about > 1-2 > inches long, stick it in a regular 10mm socket and wrap some tape to hold > it. > > Couldn't find anything online , but the basic Chilton manual covers it > all. > > Dave Brisco > ECR > > -----Original Message----- > From: dansummers at comcast.net [mailto:dansummers at comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:38 PM > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head > > > I plan to pull the cylinder head on a u20. The previous owner of my car > told > me today that he had the head welded many years ago and that if I could > get > this one at a reasonable price I should get it.I am pulling it at a > wrecking > yard and have never pulled one. Can anyone give me any pointers on how to > pull it with out damaging it. Or point me in the right directions for the > info. > > Dan > 69 - 2000 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bubwin at mts.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 23:27:57 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:27:57 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <89BA588A309F46DFA9BAA10EB6BF28D4@ownerPC> References: <000601c87e5b$d3f06550$6700a8c0@chrissy> <89BA588A309F46DFA9BAA10EB6BF28D4@ownerPC> Message-ID: I don't know if this applies in this case, but I have often heard, and indeed believe, that with old nuts/bolts it is often better to tighten them up a flat or so and then begin to loosen FWIW From ericerichoffman at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 07:02:49 2008 From: ericerichoffman at yahoo.com (Eric Hoffman) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:02:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] 67.5 owners manual on ebay Message-ID: <9913.23373.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> item number 320223966580 or http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29296-2357-0?uid=32645885&site=0&ver=LCA080805&item=320223966580&lk=URL --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From gsm at gregorysmorrison.com Wed Mar 5 12:40:30 2008 From: gsm at gregorysmorrison.com (Gregory S. Morrison) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:40:30 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay "ORIGINAL" 1970 1600 Message-ID: FYI: Nice looking car but... >From the item description: "There is absolutely no rust in this car and is in amazing original condition." I didn't look that close, but the rust in the trunk and on the engine components, and the respray, and the missing parts, and the misc non-original upholstery and the non-stock parts, etc....a good "ten footer", but no more. The seller will probably respond that he/she isn't a Datsun expert and it sure looked original. But it sure isn't. I guess this type of thing happens all the time. Caveat emptor. Regards, Greg SRL31100494 From lonestar311 at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 14:45:59 2008 From: lonestar311 at gmail.com (Conley) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:45:59 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Test Message-ID: <47CEA417.15584.EB699AE@lonestar311.gmail.com> Sorry for the bandwidth. Rebuilding Windows again. -- lonestar -- Conley Phillips Cottage Grove, OR SPL311-08636 From ericerichoffman at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 15:45:24 2008 From: ericerichoffman at yahoo.com (Eric Hoffman) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:45:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] owners manual Message-ID: <498219.37969.qm@web36910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just an email from someone telling me that my owners manual on ebay is a reproduction. How can I tell if it's original or not? Eric Hoffman --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 5 15:55:45 2008 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:55:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] owners manual In-Reply-To: <498219.37969.qm@web36910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <798896.43075.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't have an original owner's manual for my '70 Roadster, but I do have one for my long-gone and sorely-missed '70 PL521 truck - and it's printed on glossy paper - so that would be a clue, I guess. Gary McCormick '70 2000 SRL311-13291 San Jose, CA Eric Hoffman wrote: I just an email from someone telling me that my owners manual on ebay is a reproduction. How can I tell if it's original or not? Eric Hoffman --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. You are subscribed as gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 16:37:53 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:37:53 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] owners manual Message-ID: <030520082337.21614.47CF2ED1000BE83D0000546E2200745672CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Check it against the original scanned in at 311s.org: Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- > Eric Hoffman wrote: I just an email from someone > telling me that my owners manual on ebay is a reproduction. How can I tell if > it's original or not? From daveandlindab at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 18:36:52 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <89BA588A309F46DFA9BAA10EB6BF28D4@ownerPC> Message-ID: <000501c87f2a$8f0df630$6700a8c0@chrissy> I never heard that before, I didn't think a cold head woul warp from the torque being let off unevenly, but I guess it's possible. Not refuting it, just news to me. Dave Brisco -----Original Message----- From: Bubba [mailto:bubwin at mts.net] When loosening the head bolts, start at the front and crack the first two head bolts loose, about 1/4 turn, then the back two by the firewall, then the second row from the front, then the second last etc. Once they are all loosened 1/4 turn, loosen then another couple turns. Tap on the side of the head with a rubber mallet or dead blow hammer, or jiggle the manifolds until the head pops loose. Then remove the bolts and head. Basically the reverse of installation. This minimizes any chance of warpage. Bob Winslade From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 5 19:50:43 2008 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:50:43 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <000501c87f2a$8f0df630$6700a8c0@chrissy> References: <000501c87f2a$8f0df630$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <47CF5C03.3040805@sbcglobal.net> If there is a specified torque pattern for tightening, standard practice is to reverse it to loosen. That's a critical joint - why take chances? Gary McCormick '70 2000 SRL311-13291 San Jose, CA dave wrote: >I never heard that before, I didn't think a cold head woul warp from the >torque being let off unevenly, but I guess it's possible. Not refuting it, >just news to me. > >Dave Brisco > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bubba [mailto:bubwin at mts.net] > >When loosening the head bolts, start at the front and crack the first two >head bolts loose, about 1/4 turn, then the back two by the firewall, then >the second row from the front, then the second last etc. Once they are all >loosened 1/4 turn, loosen then another couple turns. Tap on the side of the > >head with a rubber mallet or dead blow hammer, or jiggle the manifolds until > >the head pops loose. Then remove the bolts and head. Basically the reverse > >of installation. > >This minimizes any chance of warpage. > >Bob Winslade From gregs672liter at netzero.net Wed Mar 5 20:17:29 2008 From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:17:29 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: <20080305.191729.21700.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Yep, my friend Steve (head guru) has shown me a number of "banana heads" (i.e. warped) from improper removal. Just because it is cold does not mean it is not under stress. Good info to know! Greg Burrows 67 2000 588 -- "dave" wrote: I never heard that before, I didn't think a cold head woul warp from the torque being let off unevenly, but I guess it's possible. Not refuting it, just news to me. Dave Brisco -----Original Message----- From: Bubba [mailto:bubwin at mts.net] When loosening the head bolts, start at the front and crack the first two head bolts loose, about 1/4 turn, then the back two by the firewall, then the second row from the front, then the second last etc. Once they are all loosened 1/4 turn, loosen then another couple turns. Tap on the side of the head with a rubber mallet or dead blow hammer, or jiggle the manifolds until the head pops loose. Then remove the bolts and head. Basically the reverse of installation. This minimizes any chance of warpage. Bob Winslade You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Tired of Meeting the Wrong Type. Only Catholic Singles. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vCMDismnv3SSv1D4BFgqedA sbWl62JUYzRb8khWhaJ7hjcA/ From dgstoll at verizon.net Wed Mar 5 20:23:23 2008 From: dgstoll at verizon.net (Dave Stoll) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:23:23 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head References: <000501c87f2a$8f0df630$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <001901c87f39$70088890$2e01a8c0@default> There is a tolerance for how flat the head is. None are perfectly flat. If the head is curved so that the ends touch the top of the block first, by starting torquing the bolts in the middle first you pull the curve down and flatten the head. If you were to start tightening the bolts at the end first it would be much harder to pull the head down flat in the middle..we are only talking a couple thousandths but thats all it takes to get a leaky head gasket.. I believe the tolerance on the 1600 heads is .003 to .005 thousandths of an inch or about the thickness of a piece of notebook paper... daveS ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: "'Bubba'" ; "'Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team.Net'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head >I never heard that before, I didn't think a cold head woul warp from the > torque being let off unevenly, but I guess it's possible. Not refuting > it, > just news to me. > > Dave Brisco From shifty at shiftco.com Wed Mar 5 22:19:46 2008 From: shifty at shiftco.com (Leigh Brooks) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:19:46 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run - April 19 In-Reply-To: <001901c87f39$70088890$2e01a8c0@default> References: <000501c87f2a$8f0df630$6700a8c0@chrissy> <001901c87f39$70088890$2e01a8c0@default> Message-ID: <02D2B8E2-C829-4777-AD8D-82B00F7B676E@shiftco.com> I finally got a web page up for the event. I'll post more details as we get closer! RSVP through the web page if you are planning on attending! http://www.shiftco.com/hood_river_run/ Leigh Brooks From aultgc at att.net Wed Mar 5 22:21:43 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:21:43 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay "ORIGINAL" 1970 1600 References: Message-ID: <004201c87f49$f78d6c80$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Greg, I agree. The disparity between the condition of the body and the corrosion on the engine components is pretty clear evidence of a repaint. Don't know who this guy thought he was going to fool. Calls into question every representation made in the ad. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory S. Morrison" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay "ORIGINAL" 1970 1600 > FYI: Nice looking car but... > >>From the item description: "There is absolutely no rust in this car and is > in amazing original condition." > > I didn't look that close, but the rust in the trunk and on the engine > components, and the respray, and the missing parts, and the misc > non-original upholstery and the non-stock parts, etc....a good "ten > footer", > but no more. > > The seller will probably respond that he/she isn't a Datsun expert and it > sure looked original. But it sure isn't. I guess this type of thing > happens > all the time. Caveat emptor. > > Regards, > Greg > SRL31100494 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From daveandlindab at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 22:24:01 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:24:01 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Update and East Coast Roadsters new products Message-ID: <000001c87f4a$4b793040$6700a8c0@chrissy> Just an Update, New Email, EastCoastRoadster at comcast.net. The old email, DaveandLindaB at Comcast.net still works too, this just makes it easier to keep track of correspondence. I have some new items to add. Custom fit plug wires, a variety of styles. Stock style 7mm wire sets, Points or Electronic, all styles $30.00 USA Made, all black very stock Beck Arnley premium Blue wires, nice, most are all blue, a few with black boots. Autolite Premium, grey with black boots I got a special purchace on the Beck Arnleys, have 25 sets ready to ship. It may be a one time purchace. The black and grey are in stock, a few of each, and I can get more. I also have a variety of high performance Accell and Mallory, Black, Red, or Blue. Staight or angle distributor boots. LHD and RHD. Each set is custom made to order. 8MM std supression$45.00- Spiral Core 8mm $55.00 Coils for EI distributors, either style $40.00 Black with tan top, 40.000v http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii241/daveandlindab/coil1.jpg Chrome with red top Mallory 45,000v http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii241/daveandlindab/coilmallory.jpg By the way, I'm looking for Roadster cores, Contact me if you want to clean off the spare parts shelf. Thanks Dave Brisco [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] From wschaibe at ucsd.edu Wed Mar 5 23:10:42 2008 From: wschaibe at ucsd.edu (Bill Schairer) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:10:42 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay "ORIGINAL" 1970 1600 In-Reply-To: <004201c87f49$f78d6c80$6402a8c0@gaxp1> References: <004201c87f49$f78d6c80$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: What I've never been able to figure out is how all the one owner cars are never being sold by the one owner? It is ALWAYS somebody else. What am I missing? Bill San Diego 70 1600 66 1600 63 320 From aultgc at att.net Wed Mar 5 23:40:27 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:40:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay "ORIGINAL" 1970 1600 Message-ID: <616472.47051.qm@web83827.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Bill, The seller would appear to be overlooking the fact that his purchase of the vehicle renders it no longer "one woner". Take a look at the seller's other items. He is in the business of buying and selling cars. I find it impossible to believe that he is not aware that the roadster has been repainted, and is, therefore, not "original". Looking at the other discrepancies between his description and the condition of the car, you've got to ask yourself, as many did regarding a former resident of the Whittier area who gained some notoriety in Washington, "Would you buy a used car from this man?" I hope those whomever buys this car at over $4,000 aren't disappointed when they see it in person. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Schairer To: Gary and Cindy Ault Cc: Gregory S. Morrison ; datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 12:10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay "ORIGINAL" 1970 1600 What I've never been able to figure out is how all the one owner cars are never being sold by the one owner? It is ALWAYS somebody else. What am I missing? Bill San Diego 70 1600 66 1600 63 320 From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 05:50:09 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 04:50:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <001901c87f39$70088890$2e01a8c0@default> Message-ID: <65165.36059.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Years ago I had a head warp on my first roadster, and like an idiot, I had it shaved. A few weeks later the cam broke in half. You can't make this stuff up. Jim Dave Stoll wrote: There is a tolerance for how flat the head is. None are perfectly flat. If the head is curved so that the ends touch the top of the block first, by starting torquing the bolts in the middle first you pull the curve down and flatten the head. If you were to start tightening the bolts at the end first it would be much harder to pull the head down flat in the middle..we are only talking a couple thousandths but thats all it takes to get a leaky head gasket.. I believe the tolerance on the 1600 heads is .003 to .005 thousandths of an inch or about the thickness of a piece of notebook paper... daveS ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: "'Bubba'" ; "'Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team.Net'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head >I never heard that before, I didn't think a cold head woul warp from the > torque being let off unevenly, but I guess it's possible. Not refuting > it, > just news to me. > > Dave Brisco You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From Keith0alan at aol.com Thu Mar 6 07:24:23 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:24:23 EST Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: In a message dated 3/6/2008 4:50:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com writes: Years ago I had a head warp on my first roadster, and like an idiot, I had it shaved. A few weeks later the cam broke in half. You can't make this stuff up. Jim When you have an overhead cam head shaved you need to shave both sides. If you don't the cam tower pads are out of line and the cam will have a bend. This leads to it breaking in two. You would be suprised how many "professional" shops don't know this. Reinstall the cam without the valves first. You should be able to turn the cam by hand. If not, there is a problem. keith **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 09:58:51 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:58:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <737247.28647.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> A good lesson for all you out there not to repeat my mistake. Of course on that car, I was fortunate to not damage a piston and found a good head with a B cam, which I loved.... More unfortumately, I sold the car and it was burned up in a garage fire....... It was a rocket. Jim Keith0alan at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/6/2008 4:50:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com writes: Years ago I had a head warp on my first roadster, and like an idiot, I had it shaved. A few weeks later the cam broke in half. You can't make this stuff up. Jim When you have an overhead cam head shaved you need to shave both sides. If you don't the cam tower pads are out of line and the cam will have a bend. This leads to it breaking in two. You would be suprised how many "professional" shops don't know this. Reinstall the cam without the valves first. You should be able to turn the cam by hand. If not, there is a problem. keith --------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. From gregs672liter at netzero.net Thu Mar 6 10:26:49 2008 From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:26:49 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: <20080306.092649.17055.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Heads can be straighted by heating without shaving them if the shop is set up to do that. Greg -- Jim Gammon wrote: Years ago I had a head warp on my first roadster, and like an idiot, I had it shaved. A few weeks later the cam broke in half. You can't make this stuff up. Jim Dave Stoll wrote: There is a tolerance for how flat the head is. None are perfectly flat. If the head is curved so that the ends touch the top of the block first, by starting torquing the bolts in the middle first you pull the curve down and flatten the head. If you were to start tightening the bolts at the end first it would be much harder to pull the head down flat in the middle..we are only talking a couple thousandths but thats all it takes to get a leaky head gasket.. I believe the tolerance on the 1600 heads is .003 to .005 thousandths of an inch or about the thickness of a piece of notebook paper... daveS ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: "'Bubba'" ; "'Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team.Net'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head >I never heard that before, I didn't think a cold head woul warp from the > torque being let off unevenly, but I guess it's possible. Not refuting > it, > just news to me. > > Dave Brisco You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Great pay, great benefits, rewarding. Click for information on a healthcare career. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vDOt95SqvFjBaqZIOgKNVZa lTmhP1MytKMrwGAxDwjlIEUv/ From ljordan704 at netscape.net Thu Mar 6 11:21:40 2008 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:21:40 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <20080306.092649.17055.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080306.092649.17055.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CA4DCE0E17A9AE-E3C-5C16@webmail-nb17.sysops.aol.com> Greg, How many shops are likely to be able to do that? And if it can be done it seems that with a scarity of cylinder heads this process may happen more and more. I always here that cylinder heads can be found but I don't see them too often on EBAY. Linda -----Original Message----- From: gregs672liter at netzero.net To: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 9:26 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder hea Heads can be straighted by heating without shaving them if the shop is set up to do that. Greg -- From tom at datsun2000.com Thu Mar 6 11:43:29 2008 From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:43:29 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Way OT - But fun - How To Advertise Message-ID: Click on the link and let it load. Then sit back and watch. http://producten.hema.nl/ Tom 69 2000 Portland From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 6 11:56:31 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:56:31 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] completely off topic - funeral music References: <20080306.092649.17055.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> <8CA4DCE0E17A9AE-E3C-5C16@webmail-nb17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006c01c87fbb$e3fc16e0$8d8aa8c0@garage.local> first - my apologies - i know this can be a sensitive topic - i lost my own father last October - again my apologies i don't want to offend anyone a recent choice for a funeral at our church was "stayin alive" by the bee gees From jklingman at stny.rr.com Thu Mar 6 12:05:57 2008 From: jklingman at stny.rr.com (John Klingman) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Fw: Way OT - But fun - How To Advertise Message-ID: <000c01c87fbd$1c903b20$ba01a8c0@yourhryuc9xa71> Thanks Tom....been having some not good days here and that just made me laugh. Gloria and John Klingman Sidney, NY '68 2000 aka Spike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom @ Datsun2000" To: "Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Way OT - But fun - How To Advertise > Click on the link and let it load. Then sit back and watch. > > http://producten.hema.nl/ > > Tom > 69 2000 > Portland > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jklingman at stny.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 14:12:41 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:12:41 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] BABE 2008: Road rally on the cheap Message-ID: <030620082112.17281.47D05E490005F44D000043812200760180CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> From dato1500 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 6 15:25:40 2008 From: dato1500 at hotmail.com (Peter Jones) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 06:25:40 +0800 Subject: [Roadsters] completely off topic - funeral music In-Reply-To: <006c01c87fbb$e3fc16e0$8d8aa8c0@garage.local> References: <20080306.092649.17055.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> <8CA4DCE0E17A9AE-E3C-5C16@webmail-nb17.sysops.aol.com> <006c01c87fbb$e3fc16e0$8d8aa8c0@garage.local> Message-ID: My father had chosen the music "Star Trekkin" for his music to be played at the moment his coffin moved along the belt. Everybody had a laugh with him for last. Peter j> From: sumton at sbcglobal.net> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:56:31 -0600> Subject: [Roadsters] completely off topic - funeral music> > first - my apologies - i know this can be a sensitive topic - i lost my own> father last October - again my apologies i don't want to offend anyone> > > a recent choice for a funeral at our church was "stayin alive" by the bee > gees> ________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as dato1500 at hotmail.com> > Datsun-roadsters mailing list> > http://www.team.net/archive> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F% 3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endt ext_Future&_m=EXT From aultgc at att.net Thu Mar 6 19:53:32 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:53:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: <193324.62728.qm@web83819.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My recollection is that the standard for the U20 head is 0.0019 inches. Jim's experience is why Nissan ran out of U20 heads very early. We're very fortunate that they spent the money to have new tooling made to reproduce them , what, 25 years ago? And then sold them for a reasonable price. (Not at first, but they dropped it rather quickly, as I recall.) Gary Ault ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Gammon To: "Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team.Net" Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 6:50:09 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Years ago I had a head warp on my first roadster, and like an idiot, I had it shaved. A few weeks later the cam broke in half. You can't make this stuff up. Jim Dave Stoll wrote: There is a tolerance for how flat the head is. None are perfectly flat. If the head is curved so that the ends touch the top of the block first, by starting torquing the bolts in the middle first you pull the curve down and flatten the head. If you were to start tightening the bolts at the end first it would be much harder to pull the head down flat in the middle..we are only talking a couple thousandths but thats all it takes to get a leaky head gasket.. I believe the tolerance on the 1600 heads is .003 to .005 thousandths of an inch or about the thickness of a piece of notebook paper... daveS ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: "'Bubba'" ; "'Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team.Net'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head >I never heard that before, I didn't think a cold head woul warp from the > torque being let off unevenly, but I guess it's possible. Not refuting > it, > just news to me. > > Dave Brisco You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Thu Mar 6 21:29:57 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:29:57 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Windshield Post Weather stripping Message-ID: I am having Eliza repainted and there is a question about weather stripping when I dress her up again. There is a piece of w/s that goes between the winshield post the the window. I have heard that there is supposed to be a metal strip that holds said w/s into the post as opposed to gluing it down. This is a 1970 Any thorts????????// Thx Peter From sandhoff at csus.edu Fri Mar 7 12:55:19 2008 From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:55:19 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Windshield Post Weather stripping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47D12D27.28169.9AE959@localhost> > There is a piece of w/s that goes between the > winshield post the the window. I have heard that there is supposed to be a > metal strip that holds said w/s into the post as opposed to gluing it down. The metal strip exists on '68 and '69 cars, so I'd wager a guess that '70 is the same. If I'm reading the parts manual right, I suspect these are "retainer-garnish". Hard to tell on the online copy; my clearer printed copy is at home. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA From 9laser3 at bright.net Fri Mar 7 15:18:32 2008 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:18:32 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadsters in print, Classic Motorsports Message-ID: <000501c880a1$3118fbb0$934af310$@net> The May issue of Classic Motorsports, page 8, with an article about The Mitty, has a nice size photo of a white 2000 with a DATSUN front license plate, followed by a red flat dash 1600. The photo is from last years Mitty. This year's Mitty is May 2-4 at Road Atlanta. Paul Ohio From roadster68 at shaw.ca Fri Mar 7 15:54:31 2008 From: roadster68 at shaw.ca (Larry Dziuba) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:54:31 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to References: <000201c87c9e$df30bf50$6501a8c0@xp> <000001c87d62$90098870$60f9fea9@home> Message-ID: <000b01c880a6$34c48540$6401a8c0@useravjfzd6udp> That is a great toon. It has been driving me mad trying to describe it to people ( if only I could remember a few words or carry a toon). My dry cleaner sets up a 62 Chevie Impala convertible in his front office during Christmas. The car has Santa driving and about three raindeer in the back seat. The car also rocks up and down. I want one. Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Breault" To: "Pete Peters" ; Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to > Always loved that song > Charlie B. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Peters" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 2:51 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to > > >> For those of you not on 311s.org or that missed it... >> >> >> >> Pete "hoping to finish wiring and insulating the garage today" From leehinger at verizon.net Fri Mar 7 17:43:59 2008 From: leehinger at verizon.net (leehinger at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:43:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to Message-ID: <8047070.2846031204937039163.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net> The tune is "Low Rider" by the band "War". Lee Ehinger >From: Larry Dziuba >Date: 2008/03/07 Fri PM 04:54:31 CST >To: Charles Breault , Pete Peters , datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to >That is a great toon. It has been driving me mad trying to describe it to >people ( if only I could remember a few words or carry a toon). My dry >cleaner sets up a 62 Chevie Impala convertible in his front office during >Christmas. The car has Santa driving and about three raindeer in the back >seat. The car also rocks up and down. I want one. Larry. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles Breault" >To: "Pete Peters" ; > >Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:16 AM >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to > > >> Always loved that song >> Charlie B. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pete Peters" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 2:51 PM >> Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Music to turn wrenches to >> >> >>> For those of you not on 311s.org or that missed it... >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete "hoping to finish wiring and insulating the garage today" >________________________________________ From daveandlindab at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 20:48:22 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] BABE 2008: Road rally on the cheap In-Reply-To: <030620082112.17281.47D05E490005F44D000043812200760180CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c880cf$43c10d10$6700a8c0@chrissy> We are already registered, Team name is "The Butt Monkey Chimp Chillers" Long story, but it's a brand of beer. After watching an episode of "Top Gear" where they drove through Alabama, I think the name is changing to "Shut Up and Push". The Team so far, Mark Dent, His son, Me and my wife Linda. We may have a guest appearance by Sid Raper. Our weapon of choice is a $225.00 Chevy Astro van, should be a real screamer through Deal's Gap. Anyone wants to meet up on the route, let us know!! Memorial Day weekend. Anyone needs a cheap van and will pick up in New Orleans, definatly let me know Dave Brisco -----Original Message----- From: ppeters914 at comcast.net [mailto:ppeters914 at comcast.net] From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 00:15:50 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:15:50 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] OT but very cool New German Parking Garage Message-ID: <000d01c880ec$3d550b80$6501a8c0@xp> German Parking Garage This is pretty amazing! Can you imagine how all this operates? How do they lock each car in its cubicle for safety? WHO CARES. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND COULD GET IN THERE. Talk about German efficiency! The two photos below were taken at a new parking garage in Munich . The actual space that the facility occupies is approximately only 20% of a comparable facility with the traditional design that is used primarily in the US . Not only is the German structure less expensive to build, but vehicles are also 'retrieved' in less time and without the potential of being damaged by an attendant. http://datsun510.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=13597 http://datsun510.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=13596 From aiken1315 at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 8 06:15:55 2008 From: aiken1315 at bellsouth.net (aiken1315 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:15:55 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadsters in print, Classic Motorsports Message-ID: <030820081315.459.47D2918B000120F4000001CB22230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net> The red flat dash sounds like my car but I have not received my May edition yet. David -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net> > > The May issue of Classic Motorsports, page 8, with an article about The > Mitty, has a nice size photo of a white 2000 with a DATSUN front license > plate, followed by a red flat dash 1600. The photo is from last years > Mitty. > > > > This year's Mitty is May 2-4 at Road Atlanta. > > > > Paul > > Ohio > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aiken1315 at bellsouth.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From James at jdfogg.com Sat Mar 8 07:45:14 2008 From: James at jdfogg.com (James Fogg) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] OT but very cool New German Parking Garage Message-ID: <4EE5D8CA323707439EF291AC9244BD9A25735D@sbs.jdfogg.com> > German Parking Garage > I've seen this before along with a news article somewhere. It's a great idea. The only thing that worries me is if they take a leaking junker and park it above me. The ramps look solid so I guess that liquids and oils will run to the center or edge, but it would be nice if that was certain. I hope they have a large fire suppression system. That structure is basically a chimney and a fire in one car would quickly consume the cars above and become a fire that couldn't be extinguished. Cars burn rapidly and violently. From roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 8 08:27:35 2008 From: roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com (Mike Harper) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:27:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Roadsters] Roadsters in print, Classic Motorsports In-Reply-To: <030820081315.459.47D2918B000120F4000001CB22230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net> Message-ID: <645270.10498.qm@web52806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> David the car in the background IS you, but the nice one up front that gets all the raves, is my old Rodney! That was our last drive in the pale yellow 2000 which I sold at the 2007 Auction at the Mitty. Great car, and he is missed in SC. Mike SC --- aiken1315 at bellsouth.net wrote: > The red flat dash sounds like my car but I have not > received my May edition yet. > > David > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > From: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net> > > > > The May issue of Classic Motorsports, page 8, > with an article about The > > Mitty, has a nice size photo of a white 2000 with > a DATSUN front license > > plate, followed by a red flat dash 1600. The > photo is from last years > > Mitty. > > > > > > > > This year's Mitty is May 2-4 at Road Atlanta. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > Ohio > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as aiken1315 at bellsouth.net > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 8 10:30:48 2008 From: jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net (jtorres67) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:30:48 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Show Reminder Message-ID: <000601c88142$26d4e410$0349fea9@Torres> To all Solvang Datsun Roadster Classic people, Thank you to all who have registered for the show and or contacted me about it. I just wanted to remind everyone that our yearly event is fastly approaching along with the April 11th early registration deadline. If you haven't registered yet, now is the time to do it!! Your registrations are what makes our show go, and it is especially important if you're going to want an embroidered event polo and even more so, to enable us in figuring out how much food we need for the BBQ/Awards show afterward!!! Sooo..thank you for all your support and if you know someone who might want to come, invite them as well! Thanks for your support. www.solvangshow.com Jeff T. Lemoore, CA p.s. If you have sent your registration in, you can check the website. I usually update as they come in. From jrdmf at aol.com Sat Mar 8 12:18:45 2008 From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:18:45 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] OT but I bet it's a fun car to drive? Message-ID: <8CA4F685D1A9BD6-105C-8250@webmail-ne12.sysops.aol.com> Stumbled across this?one on ebay today. Sure glad I didn't come up against?it while I was?driving my 2 liter. Could have been a little embarassing. :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=170198870876 Jon Frampton Huntington Beach From tputland at charter.net Sat Mar 8 19:25:53 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:25:53 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] OT but very cool New German Parking Garage In-Reply-To: <4EE5D8CA323707439EF291AC9244BD9A25735D@sbs.jdfogg.com> Message-ID: <20080308212553.9W3HR.203430.root@fepweb06> I think I can to put my half wit/half cents worth in here. I know from (indirect) experience that European cars are better maintained than the cars in the US. They also have to pass extremely tougher road and licensing tests than ours do. When we moved to the UK in '82, Dad had his '70 1600 shipped over so he wouldn't have to buy two cars. Based on the very stringent testing they have over there, Dad had to totally rebuild his brake system because his then, 12 year old Roadster, could not pass their test(s). And again, it was only 12 years old at the time. BTW...Dad is your typical shade tree mechanic who has rebuilt the engine and tranny himself, as well as re stitching the interior himself--twice, so you can, hopefully, imagine how well maintained the car was at the time. So one has to think that the cars stored in this facility are not the leaky sort. Then again, this picture looks kinda like a Hot Wheal garage I had as a kid!! So maybe it is just a model???? Sorry for the bandwidth Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Two part cars (now) and a pissed off wife Still clueless but always learning ---- James Fogg wrote: ============= > German Parking Garage > I've seen this before along with a news article somewhere. It's a great idea. The only thing that worries me is if they take a leaking junker and park it above me. The ramps look solid so I guess that liquids and oils will run to the center or edge, but it would be nice if that was certain. I hope they have a large fire suppression system. That structure is basically a chimney and a fire in one car would quickly consume the cars above and become a fire that couldn't be extinguished. Cars burn rapidly and violently. You are subscribed as tputland at charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tputland at charter.net Sat Mar 8 19:27:04 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:27:04 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] OT but very cool New German Parking Garage Message-ID: <20080308212704.NYTD8.203463.root@fepweb06> I think I can to put my half wit/half cents worth in here. I know from (indirect) experience that European cars are better maintained than the cars in the US. They also have to pass extremely tougher road and licensing tests than ours do. When we moved to the UK in '82, Dad had his '70 1600 shipped over so he wouldn't have to buy two cars. Based on the very stringent testing they have over there, Dad had to totally rebuild his brake system because his then, 12 year old Roadster, could not pass their test(s). And again, it was only 12 years old at the time. BTW...Dad is your typical shade tree mechanic who has rebuilt the engine and tranny himself, as well as re stitching the interior himself--twice, so you can, hopefully, imagine how well maintained the car was at the time. So one has to think that the cars stored in this facility are not the leaky sort. Then again, this picture looks kinda like a Hot Wheal garage I had as a kid!! So maybe it is just a model???? Sorry for the bandwidth Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Two part cars (now) and a pissed off wife Still clueless but always learning ---- James Fogg wrote: ============= > German Parking Garage > I've seen this before along with a news article somewhere. It's a great idea. The only thing that worries me is if they take a leaking junker and park it above me. The ramps look solid so I guess that liquids and oils will run to the center or edge, but it would be nice if that was certain. I hope they have a large fire suppression system. That structure is basically a chimney and a fire in one car would quickly consume the cars above and become a fire that couldn't be extinguished. Cars burn rapidly and violently. From aultgc at att.net Sat Mar 8 19:32:43 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:32:43 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head References: <000501c87f2a$8f0df630$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <00d701c8818d$dada71a0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> I'm sure there are people out there smarter than me, but my opinion is as follows: It makes no difference how one loosens the head bolts. I am sure that many heads have proven to be warped after the heads bolts are loosened, and the head is removed. But, I believe the condition is the result of stresses induced in the head by improper cooling or other factors, and that it makes no differences how the "tension" is released. When the head and block are cool, there is no force I am aware of which could result in warpage, unless the head is already under differential stress "contained" by the clamping force of the head bolts. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: "'Bubba'" ; "'Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team.Net'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head >I never heard that before, I didn't think a cold head woul warp from the > torque being let off unevenly, but I guess it's possible. Not refuting > it, > just news to me. > > Dave Brisco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bubba [mailto:bubwin at mts.net] > > When loosening the head bolts, start at the front and crack the first two > head bolts loose, about 1/4 turn, then the back two by the firewall, then > the second row from the front, then the second last etc. Once they are > all > loosened 1/4 turn, loosen then another couple turns. Tap on the side of > the > > head with a rubber mallet or dead blow hammer, or jiggle the manifolds > until > > the head pops loose. Then remove the bolts and head. Basically the > reverse > > of installation. > > This minimizes any chance of warpage. > > Bob Winslade > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From Keith0alan at aol.com Sat Mar 8 21:12:09 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 23:12:09 EST Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/2008 6:32:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, aultgc at att.net writes: I'm sure there are people out there smarter than me, but my opinion is as follows: It makes no difference how one loosens the head bolts. I am sure that many heads have proven to be warped after the heads bolts are loosened, and the head is removed. But, I believe the condition is the result of stresses induced in the head by improper cooling or other factors, and that it makes no differences how the "tension" is released. When the head and block are cool, there is no force I am aware of which could result in warpage, unless the head is already under differential stress "contained" by the clamping force of the head bolts. Gary Ault It might not make any difference but it can't hurt either. keith **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 23:28:11 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:28:11 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] OT but very cool New German Parking Garage In-Reply-To: <20080308212553.9W3HR.203430.root@fepweb06> Message-ID: <000201c881ae$bfb76920$6501a8c0@xp> Well, it turns out the garage does exist, but it is not a public garage. It was built for VW: http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/parkade.asp From matthews517 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 07:48:46 2008 From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:48:46 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadsters in print, Classic Motorsports In-Reply-To: <000501c880a1$3118fbb0$934af310$@net> Message-ID: Paul Wrote: The May issue of Classic Motorsports, page 8, with an article about The Mitty, has a nice size photo of a white 2000 with a DATSUN front license plate, followed by a red flat dash 1600. The photo is from last years Mitty. This year's Mitty is May 2-4 at Road Atlanta. Reply: And WATCH OUT ATLANTA!!! SEROC is comin'!!!! :-) 54 days and counting down!!! Matt Smith From bubwin at mts.net Sun Mar 9 22:56:21 2008 From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:56:21 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know, but I have about 150 shop manuals from my many years as a fully licensed mechanic, and the engineers that designed the engines and wrote those manuals seem to mention with some regularity to loosen them as I suggest, in sequence. But who am I to say. I guess opinions are better than my years of training, schooling, licensing and working as a mechanic? All those years I've been doing it wrong! I'll not bother to share my wasted years of knowledge again. I'm sure others know better. Happy fixing. Good Luck. But then again I only scored 89% on the Government exam for my license. Oh yeah, step 13 might be of some interest http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/17/a5/ea/0900823d8017a5ea/re pairInfoPages.htm BMW's too? http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/21/05/13/0900823d80210513/re pairInfoPages.htm Bob (never warped a head, never blew an engine I built, including engines I did in the Phone Company Fleet) Winslade 1966-1600 Missy 1967-1600 Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith0alan at aol.com To: aultgc at att.net ; daveandlindab at comcast.net ; bubwin at mts.net ; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In a message dated 3/8/2008 6:32:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, aultgc at att.net writes: I'm sure there are people out there smarter than me, but my opinion is as follows: It makes no difference how one loosens the head bolts. I am sure that many heads have proven to be warped after the heads bolts are loosened, and the head is removed. But, I believe the condition is the result of stresses induced in the head by improper cooling or other factors, and that it makes no differences how the "tension" is released. When the head and block are cool, there is no force I am aware of which could result in warpage, unless the head is already under differential stress "contained" by the clamping force of the head bolts. Gary Ault It might not make any difference but it can't hurt either. keith ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. From Keith0alan at aol.com Mon Mar 10 06:32:18 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:32:18 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/2008 10:57:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bubwin at mts.net writes: I'll not bother to share my wasted years of knowledge again. I'm sure others know better. Happy fixing. Good Luck. Please continue sharing your knowledge. A lot of us appreciate it. This is an unmoderated forum so a certain amount of thick hide is required. However, compared to some car forums this one is quite civilized. Unfortunately every once and a while someone needs to remind up to be a little friendlier by leaving. This is a loss to all of us and a benefit to no one. keith williams **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Mon Mar 10 06:55:41 2008 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:55:41 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] OT but I bet it's a fun car to drive? Message-ID: The 'vette powered TR-6? Dunno, the fwd bank of cylinders is directly over the centerline of the front wheels, which is better than some swaps I've seen, but besides being "rubber challenged", the weight balance and alter effect on cornering is suspect. On another hand, the next time you have an elk encounter (elk-counter?), this might be another direction to go: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/pontiac-solstice-sd-290-concept/463493/ (the grille says BMW to me, not Pontiac) Here's the weekly post from the local car show, it was "British Day". A couple of nice Cortinas, and a bevvy of Mini's (check out the personalized license plates, good for a laugh). http://carsandcoffee.info/forum/showthread.php?t=492 From ericerichoffman at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 07:09:14 2008 From: ericerichoffman at yahoo.com (Eric Hoffman) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] tr6 engine swaps Message-ID: <298797.48931.qm@web36909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A mechanic I know just put a 6 cyl 3 series BMW driveline in a TR6, he said it was not difficult, obviously brought power and driveability gains, and was cheaper than building the original engine. Eric Hoffman --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From chalsted at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 07:47:51 2008 From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47:51 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 1500 in Alabama for sale- boneyard car Message-ID: <001401c882bd$b7d68be0$136fa343@craigscomputer> got a call from a Tim Merrill in Alabama- he owns a foreign car salvage yard... has a '64 Fairlady with hardtop that's been there for a long time, is asking $750 for it but I'm sure that's negotiable. if you have any interest, feel free to give him a call. Craig From bstjacques at atrua.com Mon Mar 10 08:31:36 2008 From: bstjacques at atrua.com (Brian St. Jacques) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:31:36 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] OT but very cool New German Parking Garage In-Reply-To: <000d01c880ec$3d550b80$6501a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8558@exch01.icontrolinc.com> I think that is actually the VW plant. Saw a show about it on TV, hundreds of people arrive every day to pick up their new cars. There is a fully automated retrieval/carrier system that delivers the car to the showroom floor without even rolling it - still 0.0 Km on the odometer when it is handed over. -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pete Peters Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:16 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] OT but very cool New German Parking Garage German Parking Garage This is pretty amazing! Can you imagine how all this operates? How do they lock each car in its cubicle for safety? WHO CARES. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND COULD GET IN THERE. Talk about German efficiency! The two photos below were taken at a new parking garage in Munich . The actual space that the facility occupies is approximately only 20% of a comparable facility with the traditional design that is used primarily in the US . Not only is the German structure less expensive to build, but vehicles are also 'retrieved' in less time and without the potential of being damaged by an attendant. http://datsun510.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=13597 http://datsun510.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=13596 You are subscribed as bstjacques at atrua.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From nmleeds at mindspring.com Mon Mar 10 08:49:24 2008 From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:49:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun goes bling Message-ID: <13324041.1205164164549.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> For those of you who haven't been following the life and times of Snoop Dogg, the talented and vulgar grand-daddy of L.A. gangster rap, and official trend-setter for put-upon thugs and aspiring criminals everywhere you might not have noticed this: http://www.snoopdogg.com/ Snoop, who has previously favored lowered mid-60's impalas (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNLAqcj6jE) with malfunctioning suspensions, has, in a move showing a late-blooming maturity, forsaken the Chevy for the clean, crisp, lines of a Datsun 510 sports-wagon as the cover car for his new album "Ego-Trippin." Whether or not this means that the 6'3" rapper will be cruisin' in a Fairlady is, as of yet, unannounced. But rumors are ramped. For the rest of us, it might be time to learn some gang signs to throw. Nathaniel From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Mon Mar 10 10:00:31 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:00:31 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] ZCG Dyno Pics/Videis!! Message-ID: <004b01c882d0$401a1a00$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Good times!!! Dyno day was awesome. Lots of Datsun/Nissan folks and great weather. Each car got 3-4 pulls. This little red 510 wagon surprised everyone with an impressive dyno run: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2149243410102308741JSedOH It had a Rebello built 2.3L engine and pulled 137rwhp/128tq!! Here's a video of the run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxDjg58DIX0 Check this out, I have never seen this before, but I noticed while recording this dyno run that you can actually see the fuel being atomized in the carbs!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7XH8eosu0k Jack and Yolanda showed up in a super-rare '05 NSX: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2269755530102308741gTLZVt Here's the dyno run, it keeps on revving and revving to 8krpm! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWR8iOZVgLg This 2.2L L-series powered dime made 103rwhp/121tq. Timing was maxed out so an attempt to make more power was unsuccessful after 5 pulls: Rick's SU-powered auto-cross Z pulled 175rwhp/171tq http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4otAMXjWZCk Biggest surprise was from Scott Smith Z32TT BEAST. He said it would pull "almost" 500rwhp on lOW boost, it pulled 543rwhp!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnTPVWKqNpA After more than a year of sitting at my friends shop I finally presented this model to my friend, Paul Hooks. Paul was happy with the model and I snapped a few pics. We even dyno'd his pretty Z. Now I can say that this model is truly "finished"! http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2113901360102308741ZnhwGN The dyno run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sw9fbSoVmY Also had my Z33 dyno'd: 249hp/230tq http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQMi6Yqblpk From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com Mon Mar 10 10:51:00 2008 From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:51:00 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D57504.2080001@hornesystemstx.com> Keith's right. Some times you get flamed when you deserve it, some times you get flamed when you don't! I sent email to a user on a different list the other day telling him how much better a different manufacturer's wireless networking gear was. A few minutes later I get a copy of the email. Turns out I sent the email to the whole list, including the mailing lists owner, the a manufacturer of wireless gear! Fully expecting to get flamed, I posted an apology to the list, telling why I said what I did. Several folks addressed why I said what I did, I didn't get flamed, and the manufacturer didn't take me off the list! Quite a surprise. Our list is really quite tame in comparison to others I am on, too bad they aren't all this good. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Keith0alan at aol.com: > In a message dated 3/9/2008 10:57:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bubwin at mts.net writes: > > > I'll not bother to share my wasted years of knowledge again. I'm sure > others > know better. Happy fixing. Good Luck. > > > > > > > Please continue sharing your knowledge. A lot of us appreciate it. This is > an unmoderated forum so a certain amount of thick hide is required. However, > compared to some car forums this one is quite civilized. Unfortunately every > once and a while someone needs to remind up to be a little friendlier by > leaving. This is a loss to all of us and a benefit to no one. > > keith williams > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as roadsters at hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From ljordan704 at netscape.net Mon Mar 10 12:16:48 2008 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:16:48 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <47D57504.2080001@hornesystemstx.com> References: <47D57504.2080001@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: <8CA50FA6B42C8CD-1228-6272@webmail-ne01.sysops.aol.com> Putting out the fire right away is important to keeping a List in control. On a non-moderated List that would come down to peer pressure or the List owner ultimately. This List seems to take care of itself pretty well, but I remember it being different a few times. Bob, I think you over reacted a bit. Generally people don't know what your expertise is and so may disagree. Heck, they my disagree in spite of your expertise! Anyway, if we are civil, no name calling, then I think we are better than a lot of Lists, for sure. My .02 Linda - From tputland at charter.net Mon Mar 10 14:49:15 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:49:15 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue Message-ID: <20080310174915.4GPA4.325392.root@fepweb13> has any one out there received theirs yet? I am referring to your subscription, not a newstand purchase. thanks Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning From drlsmith at dccnet.com Mon Mar 10 15:42:32 2008 From: drlsmith at dccnet.com (Daryl Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:42:32 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] ZCG Dyno Pics/Videis!! References: <004b01c882d0$401a1a00$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Message-ID: <002201c88300$088260e0$582dcf18@Daryl> What no Roadsters??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alvin Gogineni" To: "'Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net'" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: [Roadsters] ZCG Dyno Pics/Videis!! > Good times!!! > Dyno day was awesome. Lots of Datsun/Nissan folks and great weather. > Each car got 3-4 pulls. > This little red 510 wagon surprised everyone with an impressive dyno run: > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2149243410102308741JSedOH > > > It had a Rebello built 2.3L engine and pulled 137rwhp/128tq!! > > Here's a video of the run: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxDjg58DIX0 > > > > Check this out, I have never seen this before, but I noticed while > recording > this dyno run that you can actually see the fuel being atomized in the > carbs!!! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7XH8eosu0k > > Jack and Yolanda showed up in a super-rare '05 NSX: > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2269755530102308741gTLZVt > > > Here's the dyno run, it keeps on revving and revving to 8krpm! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWR8iOZVgLg > > This 2.2L L-series powered dime made 103rwhp/121tq. Timing was maxed out > so > an attempt to make more power was unsuccessful after 5 pulls: > > Rick's SU-powered auto-cross Z pulled 175rwhp/171tq > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4otAMXjWZCk > > Biggest surprise was from Scott Smith Z32TT BEAST. He said it would pull > "almost" 500rwhp on lOW boost, it pulled 543rwhp!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnTPVWKqNpA > > After more than a year of sitting at my friends shop I finally presented > this model to my friend, Paul Hooks. > Paul was happy with the model and I snapped a few pics. > We even dyno'd his pretty Z. Now I can say that this model is truly > "finished"! > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2113901360102308741ZnhwGN > > > > The dyno run: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sw9fbSoVmY > > > > Also had my Z33 dyno'd: > 249hp/230tq > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQMi6Yqblpk > ________________________________________ From johnwightman at shaw.ca Mon Mar 10 15:45:42 2008 From: johnwightman at shaw.ca (John Wightman) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun goes bling In-Reply-To: <13324041.1205164164549.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13324041.1205164164549.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000c01c88300$78f526f0$6adf74d0$@ca> Haha, I like how, in order to maintain his "image", they write on the website exactly how he speaks... that must take some time to figure out, fo shizzle. -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+johnwightman=shaw.ca at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+johnwightman=shaw.ca at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of nmleeds at mindspring.com Sent: March-10-08 8:49 AM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun goes bling For those of you who haven't been following the life and times of Snoop Dogg, the talented and vulgar grand-daddy of L.A. gangster rap, and official trend-setter for put-upon thugs and aspiring criminals everywhere you might not have noticed this: http://www.snoopdogg.com/ Snoop, who has previously favored lowered mid-60's impalas (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNLAqcj6jE) with malfunctioning suspensions, has, in a move showing a late-blooming maturity, forsaken the Chevy for the clean, crisp, lines of a Datsun 510 sports-wagon as the cover car for his new album "Ego-Trippin." Whether or not this means that the 6'3" rapper will be cruisin' in a Fairlady is, as of yet, unannounced. But rumors are ramped. For the rest of us, it might be time to learn some gang signs to throw. Nathaniel From riazabzal at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 16:02:34 2008 From: riazabzal at yahoo.com (Riaz Abzal) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] ZCG Dyno Pics/Videis!! In-Reply-To: <004b01c882d0$401a1a00$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Message-ID: <42160.53129.qm@web54201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey Alvin, Nice pics/videos of the dyno day...Your 350 sounds nice, what exhaust set-up are you running?...and by any chance did you get to run the 67 roadster as well? -Riaz Abzal Alvin Gogineni wrote: Good times!!! Dyno day was awesome. Lots of Datsun/Nissan folks and great weather. Each car got 3-4 pulls. This little red 510 wagon surprised everyone with an impressive dyno run: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2149243410102308741JSedOH It had a Rebello built 2.3L engine and pulled 137rwhp/128tq!! Here's a video of the run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxDjg58DIX0 Check this out, I have never seen this before, but I noticed while recording this dyno run that you can actually see the fuel being atomized in the carbs!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7XH8eosu0k Jack and Yolanda showed up in a super-rare '05 NSX: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2269755530102308741gTLZVt Here's the dyno run, it keeps on revving and revving to 8krpm! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWR8iOZVgLg This 2.2L L-series powered dime made 103rwhp/121tq. Timing was maxed out so an attempt to make more power was unsuccessful after 5 pulls: Rick's SU-powered auto-cross Z pulled 175rwhp/171tq http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4otAMXjWZCk Biggest surprise was from Scott Smith Z32TT BEAST. He said it would pull "almost" 500rwhp on lOW boost, it pulled 543rwhp!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnTPVWKqNpA After more than a year of sitting at my friends shop I finally presented this model to my friend, Paul Hooks. Paul was happy with the model and I snapped a few pics. We even dyno'd his pretty Z. Now I can say that this model is truly "finished"! http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2113901360102308741ZnhwGN The dyno run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sw9fbSoVmY Also had my Z33 dyno'd: 249hp/230tq http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQMi6Yqblpk You are subscribed as riazabzal at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From joek at camberconstruction.com Mon Mar 10 16:04:37 2008 From: joek at camberconstruction.com (Joe Kinstle) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:04:37 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun goes bling In-Reply-To: <000c01c88300$78f526f0$6adf74d0$@ca> References: <13324041.1205164164549.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000c01c88300$78f526f0$6adf74d0$@ca> Message-ID: <004201c88303$1d385230$020fa8c0@lapjoek> All you need to do is go to http://www.gizoogle.com/ They have a handy 2 way translator. Joe Kinstle '68 2L BLK SRL -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Wightman Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:46 PM To: nmleeds at mindspring.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun goes bling Haha, I like how, in order to maintain his "image", they write on the website exactly how he speaks... that must take some time to figure out, fo shizzle. From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Mon Mar 10 16:49:10 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:49:10 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] ZCG Dyno Pics/Videis!! In-Reply-To: <002201c88300$088260e0$582dcf18@Daryl> References: <004b01c882d0$401a1a00$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> <002201c88300$088260e0$582dcf18@Daryl> Message-ID: <000901c88309$56bb29f0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> I did my best to get the roadster folks to come out! -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Smith [mailto:drlsmith at dccnet.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:43 PM To: Alvin Gogineni; 'Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net' Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ZCG Dyno Pics/Videis!! What no Roadsters??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alvin Gogineni" To: "'Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net'" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: [Roadsters] ZCG Dyno Pics/Videis!! > Good times!!! > Dyno day was awesome. Lots of Datsun/Nissan folks and great weather. > Each car got 3-4 pulls. > This little red 510 wagon surprised everyone with an impressive dyno run: > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2149243410102308741JSedOH > > > It had a Rebello built 2.3L engine and pulled 137rwhp/128tq!! > > Here's a video of the run: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxDjg58DIX0 > > > > Check this out, I have never seen this before, but I noticed while > recording > this dyno run that you can actually see the fuel being atomized in the > carbs!!! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7XH8eosu0k > > Jack and Yolanda showed up in a super-rare '05 NSX: > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2269755530102308741gTLZVt > > > Here's the dyno run, it keeps on revving and revving to 8krpm! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWR8iOZVgLg > > This 2.2L L-series powered dime made 103rwhp/121tq. Timing was maxed out > so > an attempt to make more power was unsuccessful after 5 pulls: > > Rick's SU-powered auto-cross Z pulled 175rwhp/171tq > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4otAMXjWZCk > > Biggest surprise was from Scott Smith Z32TT BEAST. He said it would pull > "almost" 500rwhp on lOW boost, it pulled 543rwhp!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnTPVWKqNpA > > After more than a year of sitting at my friends shop I finally presented > this model to my friend, Paul Hooks. > Paul was happy with the model and I snapped a few pics. > We even dyno'd his pretty Z. Now I can say that this model is truly > "finished"! > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2113901360102308741ZnhwGN > > > > The dyno run: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sw9fbSoVmY > > > > Also had my Z33 dyno'd: > 249hp/230tq > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQMi6Yqblpk > ________________________________________ From 9laser3 at bright.net Mon Mar 10 17:35:55 2008 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:35:55 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue In-Reply-To: <20080310174915.4GPA4.325392.root@fepweb13> References: <20080310174915.4GPA4.325392.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <000301c8830f$df8bac40$9ea304c0$@net> Got mine late last week. Remember, most magazines ship an issue as it is printed so they don't get across the country on the same day. But hang in there, Classic is worth the wait! Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:49 PM To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue has any one out there received theirs yet? I am referring to your subscription, not a newstand purchase. thanks Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning You are subscribed as 9laser3 at bright.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From davesmbox at aol.com Mon Mar 10 17:36:12 2008 From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue In-Reply-To: <20080310174915.4GPA4.325392.root@fepweb13> References: <20080310174915.4GPA4.325392.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <8CA51270A81DE3B-8D4-2A85@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> Yes got it last week in the mail Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tim To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 5:49 pm Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue has any one out there received theirs yet? I am referring to your subscription, not a newstand purchase. thanks Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning You are subscribed as davesmbox at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From mikef at carolina.rr.com Mon Mar 10 17:53:49 2008 From: mikef at carolina.rr.com (Mike Faggart) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:53:49 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue References: <20080310174915.4GPA4.325392.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <005f01c88312$6065e680$0200a8c0@reginacb41e884> just got mine today!! Mike Harper is on page 8, way to go Mike!!! mike faggart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue > has any one out there received theirs yet? I am referring to your > subscription, not a newstand purchase. > > thanks > > Tim > Belleville, WI. > '70 SPL AND SRL > Still clueless but always learning > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mikef at carolina.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 18:17:07 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:17:07 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun goes bling In-Reply-To: <13324041.1205164164549.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001c01c88315$a05472e0$6501a8c0@xp> That would be Randy York's orange '72 VG30 wagon . Randy also knows the reason Dogg chose a 510 wagon. Sometime in his past life, not sure if it was when he was in high school (the reason for the shoot at Long Beach High School) or after that, Snoop owned a 510 wagon and wanted to go old school for the new CD artwork. The Producer had a hard time finding a 510 wagon (duh) and happened to call Classic Datsun who referred him to Randy. Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of nmleeds at mindspring.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:49 AM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun goes bling For those of you who haven't been following the life and times of Snoop Dogg, the talented and vulgar grand-daddy of L.A. gangster rap, and official trend-setter for put-upon thugs and aspiring criminals everywhere you might not have noticed this: http://www.snoopdogg.com/ Snoop, who has previously favored lowered mid-60's impalas (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNLAqcj6jE) with malfunctioning suspensions, has, in a move showing a late-blooming maturity, forsaken the Chevy for the clean, crisp, lines of a Datsun 510 sports-wagon as the cover car for his new album "Ego-Trippin." Whether or not this means that the 6'3" rapper will be cruisin' in a Fairlady is, as of yet, unannounced. But rumors are ramped. For the rest of us, it might be time to learn some gang signs to throw. Nathaniel Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From drlsmith at dccnet.com Mon Mar 10 19:25:37 2008 From: drlsmith at dccnet.com (Daryl Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:25:37 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] ZCG Dyno Pics/Videis!! References: <004b01c882d0$401a1a00$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> <002201c88300$088260e0$582dcf18@Daryl> <000901c88309$56bb29f0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Message-ID: <006701c8831f$328aa130$582dcf18@Daryl> >I did my best to get the roadster folks to come out! I know you did Alvin. I saw your posts both here and on 311s.org. There was lots of notice............ I just can't believe that no roadsters showed up......... Too bad it's so far away, 4-6 hour drive I could handle, 2-3 days one way is a bit much.......... If there is ever a Dyno day in the Northwest ( BC or Washington....??) I'll be there! Daryl Smith '66 "Frankie" From akarcioglu at telus.net Mon Mar 10 20:10:06 2008 From: akarcioglu at telus.net (alp) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:10:06 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: <1205205006.47d5f80ed69ec@webmail.telus.net> why do people have to get so pissed off when others disagree with them? I didn't read all the posts about this topic but as long as the people aren't belligerent towards each other then who cares if someone listens to you or not. I have 20 years in Dentistry (dental hygienist) and look at how many of you actually listen to me and floss your teeth daily! That's right not a sticken one of you! I am still nice to you the next time I see you and I don't rip your gums apart during the cleaning. From 68roadster at charter.net Mon Mar 10 20:31:02 2008 From: 68roadster at charter.net (Dennis Louthan) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:31:02 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Cam Chain Tensioner Question Message-ID: <47D5FCF6.6090904@charter.net> Stan, how do you properly shim the upper cam chain tensioner on a u20. Dennis Minden, NV From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Mon Mar 10 20:40:29 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:40:29 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head and stuff In-Reply-To: <1205205006.47d5f80ed69ec@webmail.telus.net> References: <1205205006.47d5f80ed69ec@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: Maybe if you did rip our gums apart we would listen to you :) And some of us might even like it - euch!!!!!!!! :) Peter Harrison 1970 SPL Eliza (TOAD SAN) - currently being repainted and gussied up in new mercedes silver From daveandlindab at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 21:42:49 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:42:49 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun goes bling In-Reply-To: <13324041.1205164164549.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c88332$5dbb5260$6700a8c0@chrissy> There goes the neighborhood!! Dave Brizizzco BTW, try this for fun..Opening page of 311s.org Gizoogled Warning adult contizzle http://www.gizoogle.com/index.php?hl=en&translate=true&transtext=311s.org%0D %0AWELCOME+TO+A+SITE+DEDICATED+TO+ALL+DATSUN+SPORTS+ROADSTERS%0D%0ASo+you+sa w+this+little+sports+cars+flying+down+the+road+and+thought+to+yourself+that+ must+be+an+MG+or+maybe+an+Austin+Healey.+Hum%21+DATSUN%2C+no+that+cannot+be% 2C+DATSUN+never+built+a+cool+little+car+like+that.+Sure+enough+upon+closer+i nspection+it+is+a+1600+Datsun+Roadster.+Coooool+car.%0D%0A%0D%0A Photos too. http://www.gizoogle.com/funnyimages.php -----Original Message----- From: nmleeds at mindspring.com [mailto:nmleeds at mindspring.com] For those of you who haven't been following the life and times of Snoop Dogg, the talented and vulgar grand-daddy of L.A. gangster rap, and official trend-setter for put-upon thugs and aspiring criminals everywhere you might not have noticed this: http://www.snoopdogg.com/ Snoop, who has previously favored lowered mid-60's impalas (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNLAqcj6jE) with malfunctioning suspensions, has, in a move showing a late-blooming maturity, forsaken the Chevy for the clean, crisp, lines of a Datsun 510 sports-wagon as the cover car for his new album "Ego-Trippin." Whether or not this means that the 6'3" rapper will be cruisin' in a Fairlady is, as of yet, unannounced. But rumors are ramped. For the rest of us, it might be time to learn some gang signs to throw. Nathaniel From ppeters914 at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 21:47:54 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:47:54 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head In-Reply-To: <1205205006.47d5f80ed69ec@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <000401c88333$12554cd0$6501a8c0@xp> A dentist, eh? Now I know how you afford all those toys! Pete "getting ready to have his 30yo bridge replaced" -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alp Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:10 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head why do people have to get so pissed off when others disagree with them? I didn't read all the posts about this topic but as long as the people aren't belligerent towards each other then who cares if someone listens to you or not. I have 20 years in Dentistry (dental hygienist) and look at how many of you actually listen to me and floss your teeth daily! That's right not a sticken one of you! I am still nice to you the next time I see you and I don't rip your gums apart during the cleaning. Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 21:48:47 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:48:47 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head and stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c88333$38b42540$6501a8c0@xp> Bill Murray in Little Shop of Horrors...... -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of peter harrison Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:40 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head and stuff Maybe if you did rip our gums apart we would listen to you :) And some of us might even like it - euch!!!!!!!! :) Peter Harrison 1970 SPL Eliza (TOAD SAN) - currently being repainted and gussied up in new mercedes silver ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From fairlady at bigpond.com Mon Mar 10 22:47:29 2008 From: fairlady at bigpond.com (Phill Brook) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:47:29 +1100 Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head and stuff In-Reply-To: <000501c88333$38b42540$6501a8c0@xp> References: <000501c88333$38b42540$6501a8c0@xp> Message-ID: Generation gap: Jack Nicholson in the original Little Shop of Horrors :lol; On 11/03/2008, at 3:48 PM, Pete Peters wrote: > Bill Murray in Little Shop of Horrors...... > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces > +ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of peter harrison > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:40 PM > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head and stuff > > > Maybe if you did rip our gums apart we would listen to you :) > > And some of us might even like it - euch!!!!!!!! :) > > Peter Harrison From gregs672liter at netzero.net Tue Mar 11 01:09:00 2008 From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:09:00 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: <20080311.010900.29849.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hi gang! Well, just to add fuel to the fire (like it needs it!) I asked my friend Steve (head guru and engine builder) if it made any difference and he was not of the opinion that it did (which is the opposite of what I had recalled him saying, though I am known to have a fuzzy memory at times!). I too have read that you always untorque the head the opposite of how it was torqued to avoid warpage, but Steve pointed out that the head is bolted to a flat surface in the first place and how you unbolt a head (that is not already warped) from a flat surface would make no difference. So, there ya go. I for one will probably continue to unbolt my heads in opposite sequence. And there really is no way to prove it one way or the other very easily. And remember, just because it is written down somewhere does not make it true... kinda like the statement in the original Roadster manual that you cannot remove the cam towers without line boring them afterwards... not true... you just have to use some common sense when reassembling it. Smiles to everyone! Greg Burrows -- "Pete Peters" wrote: A dentist, eh? Now I know how you afford all those toys! Pete "getting ready to have his 30yo bridge replaced" -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alp Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:10 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head why do people have to get so pissed off when others disagree with them? I didn't read all the posts about this topic but as long as the people aren't belligerent towards each other then who cares if someone listens to you or not. I have 20 years in Dentistry (dental hygienist) and look at how many of you actually listen to me and floss your teeth daily! That's right not a sticken one of you! I am still nice to you the next time I see you and I don't rip your gums apart during the cleaning. Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Get everything you need to hook up your own wireless network by clicking now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ulMUDkWMjEM61bAkkvPqcrM V4LTZmIMmhMv9fvTLJnt010O/ From gregs672liter at netzero.net Tue Mar 11 01:23:22 2008 From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:23:22 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] A few questions Message-ID: <20080311.012322.29849.3@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Ok, now on to another topic... I am redoing my '67 and thinking of replacing the soft top. I have seen some that are very thin (cloth?) and fold up a lot better than the heavy one I have. Anyone have an opinion? I rarely use my top... only if it is gonna seriously rain, so it will be completely covered most of its life. Second, does anyone know if the rear aluminum drums are the same as on an early 240Z? Saw some on Craigslist and thought about picking them up. Third, does anyone know if the door hinges vary in thickness or other design features year to year? Top to bottom? I have a larger gap (particularly at the top) than I like on my passenger door to fender and despite all my fitting efforts have not been able to reduce it as much as I want. The fender is a 70, which may explain it. I know, a 70 fender on a 67 2000... shut up! It's straight, fits great (now) and rust free and I don't feel like redoing another one! Seems to me that it is the door itself that needs to move forward as it is tight at the rear (shuts fine though). I thought about actually shaving down the hinge a bit on both mounting surfaces but some of the holes are recessed and would become pretty thin. Anyone? Finally, what are the dates for Shasta this year? I see that the 4th falls on a friday, so I assume it is the following weekend. Of course, gas by then will be $5.00 a gallon, and I have to add octane boost in the high compression beast on top of the premium as it is, so who knows if I will be able to afford the trip! Thanks! Greg Burrows _____________________________________________________________ Click to receive information from occupational therapy schools near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4s2MArGgAayHZRKJQrWsQK0k aZM5SkzP82loittOQZ21Ad2u/ From Keith0alan at aol.com Tue Mar 11 07:31:29 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:31:29 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] A few questions Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2008 1:25:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gregs672liter at netzero.net writes: Third, does anyone know if the door hinges vary in thickness or other design features year to year? Top to bottom? I have a larger gap (particularly at the top) than I like on my passenger door to fender and despite all my fitting efforts have not been able to reduce it as much as I want. Door hinges wear out the pins and they also bend easily. Both cause the doors to be impossible to line up properly. I've still got some replacement pins we had made a while back and I can put together hinge straitening instructions if there is any interest. That is also something I drag along to Shasta. The door hinges are quite thin. You really don't want to lean on the door when it's open or use it to hoist your self out of the car. keith **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From nmleeds at mindspring.com Tue Mar 11 08:21:32 2008 From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:21:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? Message-ID: <30975020.1205248892218.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm finally at the point where I'm about to upgrade from the "repair" tires that I bought on craigslist for $40 (performance specs: up and down the driveway; cornering: optional; road feel: space cadet) to a set of real tires. What do people like for a weekend driver? Fun on the roads, comfortable, and not bank-busting. Nathaniel From matt at vander-bend.com Tue Mar 11 08:28:11 2008 From: matt at vander-bend.com (Matt Jacquet) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:28:11 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 311 In-Reply-To: <30975020.1205248892218.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Happy 311 :) Do something Roadster toady. From rabush2000 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 11 08:42:01 2008 From: rabush2000 at hotmail.com (Richard Bush) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:42:01 +0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 311 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good morning to all. Does anyone know of a good car audio website that is able to determine model compatibility? Any input would be most appreciated. Rick On 11/3/08 19:28, "Matt Jacquet" wrote: > Happy 311 :) > > Do something Roadster toady. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rabush2000 at hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > R A Bush P O Box 500003 Dubai, UAE Home: 971 4 344 0631 Mobile: 971 50 456 4357 From vze2fhba at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 09:30:55 2008 From: vze2fhba at verizon.net (vze2fhba at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 311 Message-ID: <14984883.421981205253056014.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Ribbett >From: Matt Jacquet >Date: 2008/03/11 Tue AM 10:28:11 CDT >To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >Subject: [Roadsters] 311 >Happy 311 :) > >Do something Roadster toady. >________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as vze2fhba at verizon.net > >Datsun-roadsters mailing list > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From sandhoff at csus.edu Tue Mar 11 10:14:02 2008 From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:14:02 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? In-Reply-To: <30975020.1205248892218.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47D65B6A.22486.313B45@localhost> > What do people like for a weekend driver? I'm using Kumho's on both a Roadster and on a 'grocery getter', and they're surprisingly decent tires. I had Yokohamas on the Roadster before, and for my driving I find the Kuhmo brand to be just as good. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 12:26:02 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:26:02 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? Message-ID: <031120081926.21293.47D6DCCA000EAC0E0000532D2213575333CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Roadster's on jackstands, but I recently replaced the worn Les Schwab specials on the Chrysler with Kuhmo's from Direct Tire. Cheap and work extremely well. Definitely quieter. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "John F Sandhoff" > > What do people like for a weekend driver? > > I'm using Kumho's on both a Roadster and on a 'grocery getter', > and they're surprisingly decent tires. I had Yokohamas on the > Roadster before, and for my driving I find the Kuhmo brand to be > just as good. > > -- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 12:28:02 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:28:02 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] 311 Message-ID: <031120081928.21367.47D6DD420007D409000053772206998499CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Roadster toady? Not directly roadster, but hope to finish the drywall in the garage, and be closer to being able to do car work. Pete "isn't it Wednesday yet?" -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Matt Jacquet" > Happy 311 :) > > Do something Roadster toady. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 12:37:48 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:37:48 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Door gap and hinges (was "Re: A few questions") Message-ID: <031120081937.12461.47D6DF8C00043552000030AD2205889116CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Hiya, Greg. Similar discussion on the 311s.org forum: Lemme know if your dial-up connection cannot handle it. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Keith0alan at aol.com > In a message dated 3/11/2008 1:25:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > gregs672liter at netzero.net writes: > > Third, does anyone know if the door hinges vary in thickness or other design > features year to year? Top to bottom? I have a larger gap (particularly at > the top) than I like on my passenger door to fender and despite all my > fitting > efforts have not been able to reduce it as much as I want. > > > Door hinges wear out the pins and they also bend easily. Both cause the > doors to be impossible to line up properly. I've still got some replacement pins > we had made a while back and I can put together hinge straitening instructions > if there is any interest. That is also something I drag along to Shasta. > > The door hinges are quite thin. You really don't want to lean on the door > when it's open or use it to hoist your self out of the car. > > keith > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 13:03:00 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:03:00 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") Message-ID: <031120082003.14122.47D6E574000080AD0000372A2200734076CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> I did a quick Search in the 311s.org forums on "240Z drum*". Found 11 matches, but this should answer your basic question: "The Z drums will bolt right up with out any modifications using an adapter plate which contains the correct boss and counterbore on the backside. I'm going to get the pair of adapters machined on the lathe in the new year." Here's a link to a drawing of the adapter: Early roadsters had steel drums. To use the 240Z drums, you need to modify or replace the backing plates. Pete "no running roadster, but quick with Search!" [snip[ > Second, does anyone know if the rear aluminum drums are the same as on an > early 240Z? Saw some on Craigslist and thought about picking them up. > Thanks! > Greg Burrows From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 13:15:48 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:15:48 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Shasta 2008 (was "Re: A few questions") Message-ID: <031120082015.26893.47D6E874000375D90000690D2206999735CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Doesn't appear the sponsoring group (Modesto Roadster Owners?) has anything posted yet, but Tom has it on the NOWROC calendar as July 12 along with motel info. Unfortunately, I can't hit the NOWROC site from work right now to confirm. Pete [snip] > Finally, what are the dates for Shasta this year? I see that the 4th falls on > a friday, so I assume it is the following weekend. Of course, gas by then > will be $5.00 a gallon, and I have to add octane boost in the high compression > beast on top of the premium as it is, so who knows if I will be able to afford > the trip! > Thanks! > Greg Burrows From sandhoff at csus.edu Tue Mar 11 13:49:07 2008 From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:49:07 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 311 In-Reply-To: <031120081928.21367.47D6DD420007D409000053772206998499CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47D68DD3.11946.F62703@localhost> > ...but hope to finish the drywall in the garage, and be closer to being > able to do car work. Wow - you can use spackling in place of Bondo? Easier to sand, for sure! Have you tried wallboard tape to repair fender rot? I imagine the fiberglas-backed stuff would be necessary to survive the NorthWest weather :-) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA p.s. Come on, I'm Joking! But not far from the truth, as I have an autobody book with a chapter on cheap repairs for cars headed to the used car lot. Honest, they document using metal duct tape to patch fender rot! From d-solomon at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 13:52:07 2008 From: d-solomon at comcast.net (d-solomon at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:52:07 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Message-ID: <031120082052.7237.47D6F0F70004224400001C4522007374780201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> this is a test..... this is only a test.... if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see me jumping up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list finally...... for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. anyone else? From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 14:04:52 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:04:52 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Message-ID: <031120082104.96.47D6F3F400099DF3000000602200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Hey, anyone know what's up with d-solomon? Haven't seen any posts from in about 4 days. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: d-solomon at comcast.net > this is a test..... this is only a test.... > > if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see me jumping > up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list finally...... > > for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. > anyone else? > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 14:06:16 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:06:16 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] 311 Message-ID: <031120082106.3553.47D6F448000D1AB000000DE12200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> LOL.....Good one, John. Actually, I haven't done any bodywork yet, and I -HATE- drywall. Debbie normally does that stuff. Plus, I'm not going to tape and sand the garage drywall because "it's only a garage" (she said). Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "John F Sandhoff" > > > ...but hope to finish the drywall in the garage, and be closer to being > > able to do car work. > > Wow - you can use spackling in place of Bondo? Easier to sand, > for sure! > > Have you tried wallboard tape to repair fender rot? I imagine > the fiberglas-backed stuff would be necessary to survive the > NorthWest weather :-) > > -- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA > > p.s. Come on, I'm Joking! > But not far from the truth, as I have an autobody book with a chapter > on cheap repairs for cars headed to the used car lot. Honest, they > document using metal duct tape to patch fender rot! From jrdmf at aol.com Tue Mar 11 14:15:14 2008 From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:15:14 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Door gap and hinges (was "Re: A few questions") In-Reply-To: <031120081937.12461.47D6DF8C00043552000030AD2205889116CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> References: <031120081937.12461.47D6DF8C00043552000030AD2205889116CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CA51D421DEAA95-1194-727@webmail-nc18.sysops.aol.com> The body shop I had do the paint work on my first Roadster didn't bother to line everything?up before they?painted it so needless to say I was a bit dissapointed at the way my doors fit. When it came time to?install the doors,?the guy helping me?grabbed a piece of 2"X4" and a single jack and literally moved the post a good 1/4" until both doors fit perfectly. I was seriously sweating bullets as he whailed on that fresh paint but?it actually held up pretty well. He placed a rag between the wood and the paint and the few spots that did require touch up were behind the hinge anway so it was well worth it. I know it sounds radical and I don't recommend anybody tries it?that hasnt' done it before but for an experienced body man it's?just another day at the office.? Jon Frampton Huntington Beach -----Original Message----- From: ppeters914 at comcast.net To: Datsun Roadster List Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:37 pm Subject: [Roadsters] Door gap and hinges (was "Re: A few questions") Hiya, Greg. Similar discussion on the 311s.org forum: From chalsted at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 14:20:52 2008 From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:20:52 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") References: <031120082003.14122.47D6E574000080AD0000372A2200734076CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <008001c883bd$c963aef0$136fa343@craigscomputer> I'm not sure what the benefits of putting Z drums on our roadsters are but if it's a matter of not being able to find roadster drums, I have at least 10 pairs that have never even had a first cut done on them available... came from a racer who always replaced them with new, never turned them. finned ones, not the earlier ones although I have those also Craig From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 14:35:12 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:35:12 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") Message-ID: <031120082135.1385.47D6FB10000A8315000005692207000953CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Hmmmm.....excellent point, Craig. Why -WOULD- one replace the roadster drums with 240Z drums? Anyone? Bueller? Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "chalsted" > I'm not sure what the benefits of putting Z drums on our roadsters are but > if it's a matter of not being able to find roadster drums, I have at least > 10 pairs that have never even had a first cut done on them available... came > from a racer who always replaced them with new, never turned them. finned > ones, not the earlier ones although I have those also > > Craig From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Tue Mar 11 14:43:22 2008 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:43:22 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Door gap and hinges Message-ID: << When it came time to install the doors, the guy helping me grabbed a piece of 2"X4" and a single jack and literally moved the post a good 1/4" until both doors fit perfectly. ...for an experienced body man it's just another day at the office. >> There is a story of the English factory from the Sterling plant that Honda helped set-up in England. the "Sterling", as we know it, a short lived Acura Legend made in GB. Once the 8th or 10th came off the line, one of the final fitters went to his supervisor and asked what they were going to do with the wall of graduated sizes of large padded mallets, that had been stock-in-trade for all English car assembly plants since anyone could remember, but were obsolete on the new Japanese model. That being said, if you have ever picked up a copy of "Practical Classics", the amount of welding and panel beating that the "average" Brit will take on in his cold, damp garage (versus the American approach of "buy a never-rusted car from California") is a lesson in low-budget "learn-as-you-go-along" determination. (as well as some entertaining writing) From boakes at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 14:51:10 2008 From: boakes at gmail.com (Bill Oakes) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:51:10 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") In-Reply-To: <031120082135.1385.47D6FB10000A8315000005692207000953CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> References: <031120082135.1385.47D6FB10000A8315000005692207000953CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C03BF8F-DDE4-4B76-BA42-7B6ABF0E268B@gmail.com> Not sure about others on the list, but I have a garage full of Z parts, this is my first roadster On Mar 11, 2008, at 4:35 PM, ppeters914 at comcast.net wrote: > Hmmmm.....excellent point, Craig. > > Why -WOULD- one replace the roadster drums with 240Z drums? Anyone? > Bueller? > > Pete > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "chalsted" >> I'm not sure what the benefits of putting Z drums on our roadsters >> are but >> if it's a matter of not being able to find roadster drums, I have >> at least >> 10 pairs that have never even had a first cut done on them >> available... came >> from a racer who always replaced them with new, never turned them. >> finned >> ones, not the earlier ones although I have those also >> >> Craig > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as boakes at gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From reblues at reblues.net Tue Mar 11 16:04:20 2008 From: reblues at reblues.net (Richard Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:04:20 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] U20 Head water passages Message-ID: <03bc01c883cc$3deb58a0$6601a8c0@ACER4230> I am cleaning up and assembling a U20 engine. The water passages from the head to the manifold have never been opened. I have searched and found recommendations for having them open and closed. The have them open thought says the water will keep the manifold cooler. The Sharp comp manual says block them to keep the hot water out of the manifold. I am so confused! Any new thoughts on this? The motor is going into a street car with a working heater. Thanks, Richard Brown [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of icon_confused.gif] From sandhoff at csus.edu Tue Mar 11 16:25:41 2008 From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:25:41 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] U20 Head water passages In-Reply-To: <03bc01c883cc$3deb58a0$6601a8c0@ACER4230> Message-ID: <47D6B285.4109.18579EE@localhost> > I am cleaning up and assembling a U20 engine. The water passages > from the head to the manifold have never been opened... > > The motor is going into a street car with a working heater. My vote (documented in postings made long ago to this list) is that for a street car you want the water flowing thru the manifold. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA From steve at olsonarchitect.com Tue Mar 11 16:31:17 2008 From: steve at olsonarchitect.com (Stephen Wan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:31:17 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] U20 Head water passages References: <03bc01c883cc$3deb58a0$6601a8c0@ACER4230> Message-ID: <046401c883d0$01783330$7100a8c0@Stephen> Depends where you live and the weather conditions. If you drive in the cold, I'd leave them open. A warmer manifold will help with fuel atomization in cold weather. If you're in perpetual summer like socal, leaving them closed won't affect driveability. The comp manual recommends closing them, because a cooler manifold, means cooler intake air temperature and thus more air molecules in the cylinder yielding more power. Steve 70' 1600 just taking up space in the garage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Brown" To: "Datsun Roadsters" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: [Roadsters] U20 Head water passages >I am cleaning up and assembling a U20 engine. The water passages from the >head > to the manifold have never been opened. I have searched and found > recommendations for having them open and closed. From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Tue Mar 11 16:41:25 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:41:25 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] U20 Head water passages In-Reply-To: <046401c883d0$01783330$7100a8c0@Stephen> References: <03bc01c883cc$3deb58a0$6601a8c0@ACER4230> <046401c883d0$01783330$7100a8c0@Stephen> Message-ID: <010c01c883d1$6bfee6d0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> I think folks tend to forget that the "comp" manual may have been written with full race cars in mind. Cars that don't need to be cold started or run for more than 1 hr at a time. Cars that run race fuel and have their engines torn/inspected periodically. I'm confused about the cooling/heating of the manifold: -How does the manifold stay cooler(d) without coolant flow AND the extremely hot exhaust headers mm's away? Wouldn't you need that coolant to transfer the exhaust heat away? -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gogineni.alvin=gene.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gogineni.alvin=gene.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Wan Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:31 PM To: Richard Brown; Datsun Roadsters Subject: Re: [Roadsters] U20 Head water passages Depends where you live and the weather conditions. If you drive in the cold, I'd leave them open. A warmer manifold will help with fuel atomization in cold weather. If you're in perpetual summer like socal, leaving them closed won't affect driveability. The comp manual recommends closing them, because a cooler manifold, means cooler intake air temperature and thus more air molecules in the cylinder yielding more power. Steve 70' 1600 just taking up space in the garage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Brown" To: "Datsun Roadsters" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: [Roadsters] U20 Head water passages >I am cleaning up and assembling a U20 engine. The water passages from the >head > to the manifold have never been opened. I have searched and found > recommendations for having them open and closed. You are subscribed as gogineni.alvin at gene.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From fairlady66 at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 17:27:09 2008 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:27:09 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] SoCal Roadster Bar B-Q Reminder Message-ID: Well we are just three and a half weeks away from a great time. If you have not yet sent your R.S.V.P. in do so right away. so far we have four Roadsters committed to being here and one possible. So far 15 people showing up, this spells out a great time! It was suggested that we have a Tech Session, so for those that wish to share their knowledge and wish to gain some be sure to chime in with your R.S.V.P. Even if you can't bring your Roadster, come on out! For those that did R.S.V.P., we are looking forward to seeing you, ************************************************************************* *April In History* *1500's  April Fool's Day established* * * 1509 - Henry VIIIbecame king of England *1789 -* US Congress begins regular sessions in Federal Hall * * 1792 - Congress established the first U.S. Mint at Philadelphia 1860 - The American West, Pony Express service began 1864 - "In God We Trust" was included on all newly minted U.S. coins** 1913 - The 17th Amendmentto the U.S. Constitution was ratified 1918 - During World War I, the Red Baron (Manfred von Richtofen) was shot down 1960  Chris Breyer born to Joe & Shan Breyer in Torrance, CA 1963 - *General** Hospital** premiered on ABC-TV* * * *1964 - Ford Motor Company unveiled its Mustang automobile* 1969 - Wheels Magazine featured Fairlady 2000 advertisement. Overhead photo of girl in car 1970 - Apollo 13 was launched from Cape Kennedy at 2:13 p.m. 1981 - The first space shuttle flight occurred 1987  The first Datsun Roadster Show in Solvang 1997 - AUTOMOBILE MAGAZINE has article on 1962-1970-Datsun 1500/1600/2000 Sports 2007  Chris and Christy Breyer purchased their 1966 Datsun 1600 Roadster 2008  Chris and Christy Breyer host the first Southern California Roadster Bar-B-Q of the year *Getting ready for the Solvang trip?* *Need to take your Roadster for a drive after the long winter months?* *Drive out to Riverside on April 6th 2008 (three weeks before Solvang)* *For the first Southern California Roadster Bar-B-Q of the year* *Hosted by Chris & Christy Breyer* *R.S.V.P. by March 30, 2008* *951-637-8872* *email:* fairlady66 at gmail.com *Time:* *Sunday, April 6, 2008  12:30pm to.* *Location:* *2992 Quebec Drive** 7 Riverside, CA 92504* * Burgers and Hot Dogs supplied* * Bring side dish to share* * Good Time Guaranteed * -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. From aultgc at att.net Tue Mar 11 17:34:38 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head Message-ID: <789789.43272.qm@web83826.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey! I resent that remark! I floss! (Just kidding -- about the resentment.) Gary ----- Original Message ---- From: alp To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head why do people have to get so pissed off when others disagree with them? I didn't read all the posts about this topic but as long as the people aren't belligerent towards each other then who cares if someone listens to you or not. I have 20 years in Dentistry (dental hygienist) and look at how many of you actually listen to me and floss your teeth daily! That's right not a sticken one of you! I am still nice to you the next time I see you and I don't rip your gums apart during the cleaning. You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Tue Mar 11 17:36:19 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Cylinder head and stuff Message-ID: <308337.56400.qm@web83808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Tim, Ja, der some really strange people up in Wisconsin, eh? Gary ----- Original Message ---- From: peter harrison To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:40:29 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cylinder head and stuff Maybe if you did rip our gums apart we would listen to you :) And some of us might even like it - euch!!!!!!!! :) Peter Harrison 1970 SPL Eliza (TOAD SAN) - currently being repainted and gussied up in new mercedes silver You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gregs672liter at netzero.net Tue Mar 11 17:51:50 2008 From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:51:50 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") Message-ID: <20080311.175150.22647.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> I was not sure if they were the same as Roadsters or not, and these were brand new never used and for $50 seemed like a good idea to pick up just in case. Greg -- ppeters914 at comcast.net wrote: Hmmmm.....excellent point, Craig. Why -WOULD- one replace the roadster drums with 240Z drums? Anyone? Bueller? Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "chalsted" > I'm not sure what the benefits of putting Z drums on our roadsters are but > if it's a matter of not being able to find roadster drums, I have at least > 10 pairs that have never even had a first cut done on them available... came > from a racer who always replaced them with new, never turned them. finned > ones, not the earlier ones although I have those also > > Craig You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Security Camera for your small business. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tTf9uyYAuu6XFTNe3gcWl9Q uEpgDJuSQF9jo2N4XeVo86wC/ From gregs672liter at netzero.net Tue Mar 11 17:55:09 2008 From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:55:09 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") Message-ID: <20080311.175509.22647.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> My 67.5 has aluminum finned drums... are these the same or not? I'm confused! Greg -- ppeters914 at comcast.net wrote: I did a quick Search in the 311s.org forums on "240Z drum*". Found 11 matches, but this should answer your basic question: "The Z drums will bolt right up with out any modifications using an adapter plate which contains the correct boss and counterbore on the backside. I'm going to get the pair of adapters machined on the lathe in the new year." Here's a link to a drawing of the adapter: Early roadsters had steel drums. To use the 240Z drums, you need to modify or replace the backing plates. Pete "no running roadster, but quick with Search!" [snip[ > Second, does anyone know if the rear aluminum drums are the same as on an > early 240Z? Saw some on Craigslist and thought about picking them up. > Thanks! > Greg Burrows You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Paying too much credit card interest? Find low APR credit cards. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4txfrIR4hVj5W2OuPslC8lNV xPGKfpjkq5nkvAwCWhnJgGrY/ From daveandlindab at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 19:01:32 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:01:32 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? In-Reply-To: <30975020.1205248892218.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c883e5$0088e4a0$6700a8c0@chrissy> I used the Falken ze-512 185/60-14'not the super high performance model. I think they are discontinued, but still around. They ride nicer than the 70 series I took off. The performance is fine on a sunny day, I don't thrash the car or autocross. What sold me on them was the drive home from Watkins Glen, absolute downpour, couple inches of water on the road, the traction was great. Some, not all, of the super high performance tires can be scary in heavy rain. If you livein SoCal or don't drive in the rain, get any type you like, rain isn't really an issue. I used 185's because my wheel offset is a bit far out. Many people fit 195's. On sale here, $38.00 ea http://www.2dayparts.com/items/item.aspx?itemid=1549657 I'm sure there are "better" tires for other people's driving style, these work for me. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: nmleeds at mindspring.com [mailto:nmleeds at mindspring.com] I'm finally at the point where I'm about to upgrade from the "repair" tires that I bought on craigslist for $40 (performance specs: up and down the driveway; cornering: optional; road feel: space cadet) to a set of real tires. What do people like for a weekend driver? Fun on the roads, comfortable, and not bank-busting. Nathaniel From daveandlindab at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 19:06:12 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 311 In-Reply-To: <47D68DD3.11946.F62703@localhost> Message-ID: <000101c883e5$a6470200$6700a8c0@chrissy> So, you've seen the PO body work on my car? There's a tennis ball holding the patch in place inside the rocker panel. Pete, make sure you use greenboard for the outer body panels. -----Original Message----- From: John F Sandhoff [mailto:sandhoff at csus.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:49 PM To: ppeters914 at comcast.net Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 311 > ...but hope to finish the drywall in the garage, and be closer to > being able to do car work. Wow - you can use spackling in place of Bondo? Easier to sand, for sure! Have you tried wallboard tape to repair fender rot? I imagine the fiberglas-backed stuff would be necessary to survive the NorthWest weather :-) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff at csus.edu Sacramento, CA p.s. Come on, I'm Joking! But not far from the truth, as I have an autobody book with a chapter on cheap repairs for cars headed to the used car lot. Honest, they document using metal duct tape to patch fender rot! From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com Tue Mar 11 19:16:57 2008 From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:16:57 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") In-Reply-To: <031120082135.1385.47D6FB10000A8315000005692207000953CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> References: <031120082135.1385.47D6FB10000A8315000005692207000953CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47D73D19.7070406@hornesystemstx.com> Well, since a 240Z runs faster than our beloved Roadsters, maybe by adding their brake drums it will make our cars run faster - but probably only the back end of the car, unless you swap in 240Z front brakes of course. Peace, Pat Thusly spake ppeters914 at comcast.net: > Hmmmm.....excellent point, Craig. > > Why -WOULD- one replace the roadster drums with 240Z drums? Anyone? Bueller? > > Pete > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "chalsted" > >> I'm not sure what the benefits of putting Z drums on our roadsters are but >> if it's a matter of not being able to find roadster drums, I have at least >> 10 pairs that have never even had a first cut done on them available... came >> from a racer who always replaced them with new, never turned them. finned >> ones, not the earlier ones although I have those also >> >> Craig >> > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as roadsters at hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 19:54:53 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] AIr flow - Datsun Message-ID: <992100.80798.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just a comment on the science of flow, which is what I do. (Hydraulics and gas or air flow aren't very different) The secret to low pressure drop, which means the highest flow rate in a set system, it to not change velocity, and if you must, change it gradually. So when you port or or modify air flow in or out of your engine, to get the max flow you need to calculate the area of flow and keet it constant. For example, if you take a cross-sectional slice perpendicular to the direction of the flow path every 1/8" and calculate the area, it should not change. If it must, a reduction should be gradual, but may change fairly quickly. An expansion must be much, much more gradual. Otherwise, you get turbulance, and less flow. If you want to know the actual math, emal me off list. It requires a lot of math. In essence, the accelleration or decelleration must be constant. JimG From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 20:04:41 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:04:41 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") In-Reply-To: <47D73D19.7070406@hornesystemstx.com> Message-ID: <001401c883ed$d15d9c80$6501a8c0@xp> ...except that a common brake upgrade for the early 240Z's were Toyota 4Runner calipers...which is what Greg already has on his roadster (and Maxima vented rotors). Damn, we're back at the beginning! Betcha never saw that one comin', eh? Pete -----Original Message----- From: Pat Horne [mailto:roadsters at hornesystemstx.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:17 PM To: ppeters914 at comcast.net Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") Well, since a 240Z runs faster than our beloved Roadsters, maybe by adding their brake drums it will make our cars run faster - but probably only the back end of the car, unless you swap in 240Z front brakes of course. Peace, Pat Thusly spake ppeters914 at comcast.net: > Hmmmm.....excellent point, Craig. > > Why -WOULD- one replace the roadster drums with 240Z drums? Anyone? > Bueller? > > Pete > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "chalsted" > >> I'm not sure what the benefits of putting Z drums on our roadsters >> are but >> if it's a matter of not being able to find roadster drums, I have at least >> 10 pairs that have never even had a first cut done on them available... came >> from a racer who always replaced them with new, never turned them. finned >> ones, not the earlier ones although I have those also >> >> Craig >> > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as roadsters at hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 20:18:45 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:18:45 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") In-Reply-To: <20080311.175509.22647.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001c883ef$c89d8d10$6501a8c0@xp> The roadster got finned aluminum drums starting in 67.5. Part No. 43206-25500 Anyone have a Z parts manual to compare? Pete -----Original Message----- From: gregs672liter at netzero.net [mailto:gregs672liter at netzero.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:55 PM To: ppeters914 at comcast.net Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") My 67.5 has aluminum finned drums... are these the same or not? I'm confused! Greg -- ppeters914 at comcast.net wrote: I did a quick Search in the 311s.org forums on "240Z drum*". Found 11 matches, but this should answer your basic question: "The Z drums will bolt right up with out any modifications using an adapter plate which contains the correct boss and counterbore on the backside. I'm going to get the pair of adapters machined on the lathe in the new year." Here's a link to a drawing of the adapter: Early roadsters had steel drums. To use the 240Z drums, you need to modify or replace the backing plates. Pete "no running roadster, but quick with Search!" [snip[ > Second, does anyone know if the rear aluminum drums are the same as on an > early 240Z? Saw some on Craigslist and thought about picking them up. > Thanks! > Greg Burrows You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Paying too much credit card interest? Find low APR credit cards. Click here. From tom at datsun2000.com Tue Mar 11 20:15:42 2008 From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom Hendricksen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:15:42 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] NOWROC ISSUES Message-ID: NOWROC is down for a little bit. Thank a hosting service for the problem. I will try to get it back up tonight, or sometime tomorrow when the new DNS is recognized. Shasta is scheduled for July 12 as far as I know. The NOWROC Events page has links or phone numbers for most of the Motels in the area if you are wondering where to stay. I also have a caravan page that got started late last year, but if you send me your travel plans I will post them for others to see. Maybe we can build some nice caravans from wherever people are coming from. If you have not seen the events page there are links to the Iron Bottom and Run Forest Run near SF as well as other events on the left side of the continent. Tom 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org From gsglasgow at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 21:30:16 2008 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:30:16 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? In-Reply-To: <30975020.1205248892218.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30975020.1205248892218.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002801c883f9$c5cb4eb0$5161ec10$@net> There are a couple of very good ones out there that come in both 185/60 and 195/60: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Yokohama AVS ES100 Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of nmleeds at mindspring.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:22 AM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? I'm finally at the point where I'm about to upgrade from the "repair" tires that I bought on craigslist for $40 (performance specs: up and down the driveway; cornering: optional; road feel: space cadet) to a set of real tires. What do people like for a weekend driver? Fun on the roads, comfortable, and not bank-busting. Nathaniel Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From escanlon at wa-net.com Tue Mar 11 22:22:51 2008 From: escanlon at wa-net.com (E Scanlon) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:22:51 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") References: <000001c883ef$c89d8d10$6501a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <001901c88401$1f361190$0300a8c0@HPW> > The roadster got finned aluminum drums starting in 67.5. Part No. > 43206-25500 > > Anyone have a Z parts manual to compare? > > Pete > Z's P/N: 43206-E4100; REAR BRAKE DRUM E From rekeen at mtu.edu Wed Mar 12 05:38:15 2008 From: rekeen at mtu.edu (Robert Keen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? In-Reply-To: <30975020.1205248892218.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30975020.1205248892218.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: My wheels are stock. After some off-list discussions, I settled on size 175/70R14 tires. I happened to pick Sumitomo HTR 200's because I only drive the car in the summer, these have a good speed rating (not that I'd get close to their listed max), and they got good reviews at tirerack.com. Not only that, they were the least expensive in that size at that site. I ordered mine through my local dealer, and by the time we got through with shipping and installation they were rather more than the tirerack.com price. They perform much better than the 17-year-old tires they replaced, and to me their appearance on the car is fine. My speedometer readings are more accurate with them too. The tire shop seemed to have no difficulty in putting these tires on the wheels. This was my experience. Others on the list may have better recommendations based on more experience and knowledge. (I wrote the above 2.5 years ago in response to a similar question. I've found no reason to regret the decision. A couple of persons on the list have been pleased at least initally with their Sumitomo HTR 200's. YMMV) --Bob Upper Peninsula, Michigan '68 1600 (hiding behind a garage door with 4 feet of snow in front of it) ========================================= On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, nmleeds at mindspring.com wrote: > I'm finally at the point where I'm about to upgrade from > the "repair" tires that I bought on craigslist for $40 > (performance specs: up and down the driveway; cornering: > optional; road feel: space cadet) to a set of real tires. > > What do people like for a weekend driver? Fun on the roads, > comfortable, and not bank-busting. > > Nathaniel From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 12 06:55:32 2008 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? In-Reply-To: <000001c883e5$0088e4a0$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <211023.76781.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Any of you SoCal Roadster owners gonna rise to the bait on this one? I mean, sure, you all have been stealing water from Northern California for decades :^) , but it DOES rain in Southern California, sometimes pretty damned hard... Gary McCormick San Jose, CA dave wrote: If you live in SoCal or don't drive in the rain, get any type you like, rain isn't really an issue. Dave Brisco ECR From ppeters914 at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 10:22:18 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:22:18 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") Message-ID: <031220081722.12328.47D8114A00006CF4000030282207020853CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Guess that's why you need an adapter to use the Z drum on the roadster. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "E Scanlon" > > The roadster got finned aluminum drums starting in 67.5. Part No. > > 43206-25500 > > > > Anyone have a Z parts manual to compare? > > > > Pete > > > Z's P/N: 43206-E4100; REAR BRAKE DRUM > > E > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From reblues at reblues.net Wed Mar 12 10:38:41 2008 From: reblues at reblues.net (Richard Brown) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:38:41 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] U20 Head water passages Message-ID: <046001c88467$ea4641f0$6601a8c0@ACER4230> Thanks for the replies. I am going to open the passages up. Richard From ppeters914 at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 10:41:07 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:41:07 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply Message-ID: <031220081741.8518.47D815B30009EC7A000021462200750330CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> I thought SoCal stole most of their water from Utah and/or Colorado. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Gary McCormick > Any of you SoCal Roadster owners gonna rise to the bait on this one? I mean, > sure, you all have been stealing water from Northern California for decades :^) > , but it DOES rain in Southern California, sometimes pretty damned hard... > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > dave wrote: If you live in SoCal or don't > drive in the rain, get any type > you like, rain isn't really an issue. > > Dave Brisco > ECR > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From nmleeds at mindspring.com Wed Mar 12 10:43:08 2008 From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:43:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply Message-ID: <25876507.1205343788436.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> All I can say is that L.A.'s going to make one great motorsports park once the water gets turned off. Nathaniel -----Original Message----- >From: ppeters914 at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 12, 2008 10:41 AM >To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply > >I thought SoCal stole most of their water from Utah and/or Colorado. > >Pete > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Gary McCormick >> Any of you SoCal Roadster owners gonna rise to the bait on this one? I mean, >> sure, you all have been stealing water from Northern California for decades :^) >> , but it DOES rain in Southern California, sometimes pretty damned hard... >> >> Gary McCormick >> San Jose, CA >> >> dave wrote: If you live in SoCal or don't >> drive in the rain, get any type >> you like, rain isn't really an issue. >> >> Dave Brisco >> ECR >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as nmleeds at mindspring.com > >Datsun-roadsters mailing list > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tputland at charter.net Wed Mar 12 10:47:14 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply In-Reply-To: <25876507.1205343788436.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080312134714.56PDQ.393782.root@fepweb13> Amen Brother!! Tim--who grew up in NORTHERN California ---- nmleeds at mindspring.com wrote: ============= All I can say is that L.A.'s going to make one great motorsports park once the water gets turned off. Nathaniel -----Original Message----- >From: ppeters914 at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 12, 2008 10:41 AM >To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply > >I thought SoCal stole most of their water from Utah and/or Colorado. > >Pete From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 12 11:37:30 2008 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply In-Reply-To: <031220081741.8518.47D815B30009EC7A000021462200750330CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <966841.53951.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> LA does get some of its water from the Colorado River - Mulholland looked east to the Colorado River after they had maxed out the Owens Valley and the Mono Lake watershed. Gary McCormick ppeters914 at comcast.net wrote: I thought SoCal stole most of their water from Utah and/or Colorado. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Gary McCormick > Any of you SoCal Roadster owners gonna rise to the bait on this one? I mean, > sure, you all have been stealing water from Northern California for decades :^) > , but it DOES rain in Southern California, sometimes pretty damned hard... > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > dave wrote: If you live in SoCal or don't > drive in the rain, get any type > you like, rain isn't really an issue. > > Dave Brisco > ECR > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From twobeaners at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 15:07:43 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:07:43 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") References: <031120082003.14122.47D6E574000080AD0000372A2200734076CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <008101c8848d$97776aa0$6500a8c0@lap> This subject came up at a good time for me. I need new ones and I'm thinking of going to these drums also. Does anyone have these adaptor plates already made up? I could consult my local machine shops to make them, but I thought I would check the list. Mike Hudson - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") > I did a quick Search in the 311s.org forums on "240Z drum*". Found 11 matches, but this should answer your basic question: > > "The Z drums will bolt right up with out any modifications using an adapter plate which contains the correct boss and counterbore on the backside. I'm going to get the pair of adapters machined on the lathe in the new year." > > Here's a link to a drawing of the adapter: > > > > Early roadsters had steel drums. To use the 240Z drums, you need to modify or replace the backing plates. > > Pete "no running roadster, but quick with Search!" > [snip[ > > > Second, does anyone know if the rear aluminum drums are the same as on an > > early 240Z? Saw some on Craigslist and thought about picking them up. > > > Thanks! > > Greg Burrows From tputland at charter.net Wed Mar 12 14:33:01 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] part number question Message-ID: <20080312173301.FE3DJ.89156.root@fepweb06> Ebay item number 260218090356, the part number listed is 25057-12900. This is close to a tach cable part number but is not in my part catalog. Does any one know this number? TIA Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning From ppeters914 at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 14:39:18 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:39:18 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") Message-ID: <031220082139.27839.47D84D86000BF5FF00006CBF2200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> AFAIK, Ray (who provided the adapter drawings) is the only one who ever had the adapters made. You might want to PM Ray on 311s.org as I don't believe he's on the mailing list. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mike H." > This subject came up at a good time for me. I need new ones and I'm thinking > of going to these > drums also. Does anyone have these adaptor plates already made up? I could > consult my local machine shops to make them, but I thought I would check the > list. > Mike Hudson - Stroker / 5-Speed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:03 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") > > > > I did a quick Search in the 311s.org forums on "240Z drum*". Found 11 > matches, but this should answer your basic question: > > > > "The Z drums will bolt right up with out any modifications using an > adapter plate which contains the correct boss and counterbore on the > backside. I'm going to get the pair of adapters machined on the lathe in the > new year." > > > > Here's a link to a drawing of the adapter: > > > > > > > > Early roadsters had steel drums. To use the 240Z drums, you need to modify > or replace the backing plates. > > > > Pete "no running roadster, but quick with Search!" > > [snip[ > > > > > Second, does anyone know if the rear aluminum drums are the same as on > an > > > early 240Z? Saw some on Craigslist and thought about picking them up. > > > > > Thanks! > > > Greg Burrows From lars.tungen at abaris.no Wed Mar 12 15:22:12 2008 From: lars.tungen at abaris.no (Lars Tungen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:22:12 +0100 Subject: [Roadsters] part number question In-Reply-To: <20080312173301.FE3DJ.89156.root@fepweb06> Message-ID: <006e01c8848f$850890e0$353ea8c0@ABARIS.LOCAL> > Ebay item number 260218090356, the part number listed is > 25057-12900. This is close to a tach cable part number but is > not in my part catalog. This number is found in the Datsun Sports 1500 parts catalog (1965) and is listed to fit right hand drive cars (domestic & export). Left hand drive cars (SPL310) would use part no 25057-13000. I am not sure if this eBay part will fit in SP/SR 311 1600 & 2000 models, but I doubt it can be used in any of the 310/311 left hand drive cars. Lars Tungen Norway No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 11.03.2008 13:41 From datsunsports at rogers.com Wed Mar 12 18:53:41 2008 From: datsunsports at rogers.com (Al Boettcher) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:53:41 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Tires to use Message-ID: <000601c884ad$10c05d30$6501a8c0@datsunspcb0fcp> For the best driving on dry roads I am concidering the Falkans Azenis RT 615..they are one of the tires recommended for all the solo II drivers out there...great for track and the winding roads. Al Boettcher 68 solex From daveandlindab at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 17:57:06 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:57:06 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply In-Reply-To: <031220081741.8518.47D815B30009EC7A000021462200750330CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000201c884a5$2b0ad6a0$6700a8c0@chrissy> I can send some water from over here in New Jersey..It's cool, if you turn off the lights it glows!! -----Original Message----- From: ppeters914 at comcast.net [mailto:ppeters914 at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:41 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply I thought SoCal stole most of their water from Utah and/or Colorado. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Gary McCormick > Any of you SoCal Roadster owners gonna rise to the bait on this one? I > mean, > sure, you all have been stealing water from Northern California for decades :^) > , but it DOES rain in Southern California, sometimes pretty damned hard... > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > dave wrote: If you live in SoCal or > don't > drive in the rain, get any type > you like, rain isn't really an issue. > > Dave Brisco > ECR > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From Keith0alan at aol.com Wed Mar 12 20:23:16 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:23:16 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] A few questions Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2008 11:58:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hahlbohmd at earthlink.net writes: Keith, I am interested to see hinge straightening instructions, in addition to buying at least 4 hinge pins, maybe more. I do not want to be a hog, but if you have more than 4 available, I know my other roadster could probably stand an upgrade as well. Thanks, Dewey Hello Dewey and all the ships at sea, Figured I do this once and share. Hopefully the picture links don't get stripped out. First remove the hinge. Take two mounting bolts and two flat washers. _http://members.aol.com/keith0alan/images/h1.jpg_ (http://members.aol.com/keith0alan/images/h1.jpg) Insert the bolts and washers into a couple of the holes. _http://members.aol.com/keith0alan/images/h2.jpg_ (http://members.aol.com/keith0alan/images/h2.jpg) Close the hinge. The two plates should be parallel. If not your hinge is bent. _http://members.aol.com/keith0alan/images/h3.jpg_ (http://members.aol.com/keith0alan/images/h3.jpg) To straighten them I put the bolts and washers in the short side holes farthest from the hinge pin. Then squeeze in a vice. Don't squeeze tight. Take an oxy/acetylene torch and heat where the hinge loops are welded to the plate. You should be able to see the side that is bent. Once it gets red slowly squeeze till the plates come into parallel. If you don't heat the hinge where you want it to bend it will bend where you don't want it to bend. _http://members.aol.com/keith0alan/images/h4.jpg_ (http://members.aol.com/keith0alan/images/h4.jpg) Let it air cool. If you pitch it in water when it's red hot it will get brittle. Once it's straight reinstall using a bolts and lock washers only. If you put a flat washer in there also the hinge will bend the first time you close the door. When you get the hinge out it will be obvious if the pin is worn out. To remove the pin soak it in penetrating oil then press it out. One end is splined and you need to press the other end. If you try to hammer it out the end tends to mushroom. This makes it very hard to get out and in the process you stretch out the loops and the new pin will be loose. Then we get to talk about torch and hammer shrinking followed by reaming. I had some pins made a while back and still have several sets. Having stuff like this made in relatively small lots is kind of pricey. The pins are $40 for a set of 4. That price includes postage. keith **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ppeters914 at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 20:29:10 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:29:10 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply In-Reply-To: <000201c884a5$2b0ad6a0$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <001901c884ba$6782ada0$6501a8c0@xp> Remember, that's a feature, not a bug! -----Original Message----- From: dave [mailto:daveandlindab at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:57 PM To: ppeters914 at comcast.net; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply I can send some water from over here in New Jersey..It's cool, if you turn off the lights it glows!! -----Original Message----- From: ppeters914 at comcast.net [mailto:ppeters914 at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:41 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply I thought SoCal stole most of their water from Utah and/or Colorado. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Gary McCormick > Any of you SoCal Roadster owners gonna rise to the bait on this one? I > mean, > sure, you all have been stealing water from Northern California for decades :^) > , but it DOES rain in Southern California, sometimes pretty damned > hard... > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > dave wrote: If you live in SoCal or > don't > drive in the rain, get any type > you like, rain isn't really an issue. > > Dave Brisco > ECR > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 20:41:19 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:41:19 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? In-Reply-To: <002801c883f9$c5cb4eb0$5161ec10$@net> Message-ID: <001a01c884bc$1a1f34f0$6501a8c0@xp> The Yoko's have a bitchin' tread: Another hot one is the Falken Azeni RT-215 (and lower price than the Yoko's): Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Glasgow Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:30 PM To: nmleeds at mindspring.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? There are a couple of very good ones out there that come in both 185/60 and 195/60: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Yokohama AVS ES100 Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of nmleeds at mindspring.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:22 AM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? I'm finally at the point where I'm about to upgrade from the "repair" tires that I bought on craigslist for $40 (performance specs: up and down the driveway; cornering: optional; road feel: space cadet) to a set of real tires. What do people like for a weekend driver? Fun on the roads, comfortable, and not bank-busting. Nathaniel Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Wed Mar 12 20:42:25 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list References: <031120082052.7237.47D6F0F70004224400001C4522007374780201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <013501c884bc$419b1620$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Today, March 12, I received a couple of messages posted 3/10, and about 25 posted 3/11. I routinely get messages posted to the list 4 or 5 days after posting. Many time I see replies before I see the original message. I have no idea what is going on, but I am confident it is an artifact of the list's server, because I have no such problems with messages from other sources. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > this is a test..... this is only a test.... > > if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see me > jumping up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list > finally...... > > for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. > anyone else? > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 20:57:04 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:57:04 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list In-Reply-To: <013501c884bc$419b1620$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <002001c884be$4d37bbd0$6501a8c0@xp> That's a feature, not a bug! Seriously, there is some quirky behavior depending on how large your email is, whether it's an original post, reply, or forward; whether the list address is on the TO: or CC: or BCC:; and whether other addresses are included. The delay crap I usually only see from Yahoo Group lists, but not recently. Hard to blame the list server if it's only a couple-three folks having the problem. Now, if it was several dozen..... Pete "have you flushed your DNS cache lately?" -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary and Cindy Ault Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:42 PM To: d-solomon at comcast.net; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Today, March 12, I received a couple of messages posted 3/10, and about 25 posted 3/11. I routinely get messages posted to the list 4 or 5 days after posting. Many time I see replies before I see the original message. I have no idea what is going on, but I am confident it is an artifact of the list's server, because I have no such problems with messages from other sources. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > this is a test..... this is only a test.... > > if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see > me > jumping up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list > finally...... > > for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. anyone > else? ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From daveandlindab at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 22:29:58 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:29:58 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? In-Reply-To: <001a01c884bc$1a1f34f0$6501a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <000101c884cb$4909ddb0$6700a8c0@chrissy> Nathaniel mentioned to mein an email he was running stock steel wheels,I don't know exactly how that affects size, but limits it to 175/70-14, or in that neighborhood,doesn't it? Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Pete Peters [mailto:ppeters914 at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? The Yoko's have a bitchin' tread: Another hot one is the Falken Azeni RT-215 (and lower price than the Yoko's): Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Glasgow Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:30 PM To: nmleeds at mindspring.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? There are a couple of very good ones out there that come in both 185/60 and 195/60: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Yokohama AVS ES100 Gordon Glasgow Renton, WA -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of nmleeds at mindspring.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:22 AM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? I'm finally at the point where I'm about to upgrade from the "repair" tires that I bought on craigslist for $40 (performance specs: up and down the driveway; cornering: optional; road feel: space cadet) to a set of real tires. What do people like for a weekend driver? Fun on the roads, comfortable, and not bank-busting. Nathaniel Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Wed Mar 12 22:46:01 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply References: <000201c884a5$2b0ad6a0$6700a8c0@chrissy> Message-ID: <001501c884cd$85694550$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Your water glows? You must live near one of them there nukuler plants at Oyster Creek or Hancock's Bridge (Salem and Hope Creek). Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply >I can send some water from over here in New Jersey..It's cool, if you turn > off the lights it glows!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: ppeters914 at comcast.net [mailto:ppeters914 at comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:41 PM > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply > > > I thought SoCal stole most of their water from Utah and/or Colorado. > > Pete > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Gary McCormick >> Any of you SoCal Roadster owners gonna rise to the bait on this one? I >> mean, >> sure, you all have been stealing water from Northern California for > decades :^) >> , but it DOES rain in Southern California, sometimes pretty damned >> hard... >> >> Gary McCormick >> San Jose, CA >> >> dave wrote: If you live in SoCal or >> don't >> drive in the rain, get any type >> you like, rain isn't really an issue. >> >> Dave Brisco >> ECR >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsunSPL at hotmail.com Thu Mar 13 00:37:32 2008 From: datsunSPL at hotmail.com (DatsunSPL) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Box Message-ID: Hey all, My random lane-changes on the freeway tell me it's time to repair or replace the steering box on my '68 1600. Any removal tips or tricks that would be good to know? How much stuff do I need to pull off to get at the box? Thanx in advance, Paul From graemes at internode.on.net Thu Mar 13 00:53:26 2008 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:23:26 +1030 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering Box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401c884df$525e14d0$426fa8c0@desktop> Have you attempted to adjust the slack out of the 'box to see if that solves the problem? The idler may also have slack in it. Get the front wheels off the deck and observe all the round and round/up and down bits while someone turns the wheel from lock to lock. Then of course there are 6 ball joints that may be contributing to any vagueness. Removal is reasonably easy but you will need a Pitman Arm remover to get the steering and idler arms off their respective devices and a good quality Ball Joint remover to, you know, remove the ball joints ;) "My random lane-changes on the freeway tell me it's time to repair or replace the steering box on my '68 1600. Any removal tips or tricks that would be good to know? How much stuff do I need to pull off to get at the box? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 12/03/2008 1:27 PM From aiken1315 at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 13 03:15:58 2008 From: aiken1315 at bellsouth.net (aiken1315 at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:15:58 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue Message-ID: <031320081015.2574.47D8FEDE00046AE800000A0E22230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net> Received mine yesterday and that is me behind Mike. Paul - you know the car well the way you described the dash!! I was expecting a close up shot of it. David -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net> > > Got mine late last week. Remember, most magazines ship an issue as it is > printed so they don't get across the country on the same day. > > But hang in there, Classic is worth the wait! > > Paul > Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tim > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:49 PM > To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Classic Motorsports--May issue > > has any one out there received theirs yet? I am referring to your > subscription, not a newstand purchase. > > thanks > > Tim > Belleville, WI. > '70 SPL AND SRL > Still clueless but always learning > You are subscribed as 9laser3 at bright.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aiken1315 at bellsouth.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From d-solomon at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 05:54:54 2008 From: d-solomon at comcast.net (d-solomon at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:54:54 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Message-ID: <031320081254.5777.47D9241E0008E28B0000169122068246930201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> i had a similar scene on tuesday this week. In the 20 minute period between when I left work and when I got home, somehow I'd rec'd 18 messages from the list, all with relatively old dates and timestamps on them. This after seeing only 4 or 5 messages from the list all day long. of course.... since i doubt this reply will make it to the list... none of you will know about it.... Dan -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" > Today, March 12, I received a couple of messages posted 3/10, and about 25 > posted 3/11. I routinely get messages posted to the list 4 or 5 days after > posting. Many time I see replies before I see the original message. I have > no idea what is going on, but I am confident it is an artifact of the list's > server, because I have no such problems with messages from other sources. > > Gary Ault > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:52 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > > > > this is a test..... this is only a test.... > > > > if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see me > > jumping up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list > > finally...... > > > > for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. > > anyone else? > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From chalsted at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 06:18:36 2008 From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list References: <031320081254.5777.47D9241E0008E28B0000169122068246930201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00b401c8850c$bf750c40$136fa343@craigscomputer> I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't for the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on their cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... Craig From twobeaners at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 07:32:38 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:32:38 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list References: <031320081254.5777.47D9241E0008E28B0000169122068246930201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> <00b401c8850c$bf750c40$136fa343@craigscomputer> Message-ID: <000801c88517$16e445e0$6500a8c0@lap> Yes, I get that all the time. I carry my cell with me incessantly, days go by without incoming calls, then all of a sudden I'll get "missed calls" and "messages" indicators. It's really annoying. Mike Hudson - '67 Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "chalsted" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't for > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on their > cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > Craig > ________________________________________ From Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov Thu Mar 13 06:38:27 2008 From: Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov (Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED03)) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:38:27 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list In-Reply-To: <000801c88517$16e445e0$6500a8c0@lap> References: <031320081254.5777.47D9241E0008E28B0000169122068246930201030104019CD30B@comcast.net><00b401c8850c$bf750c40$136fa343@craigscomputer> <000801c88517$16e445e0$6500a8c0@lap> Message-ID: <85597404D578FB4D8EB4E40AFBECDF76716903@NDMSEVS33B.ndc.nasa.gov> I talked to a guy in the cell phone industry - hardware type. He said they are having major problems with system overload. The industry is in its infancy and they need a major break-through in technology very bad or the system will start having a lot of failures. Also things like the signal strength of cell phones varies between manufactures and phone type. This causes a "switching" issue between carriers and hardware - the most noticeable indication is the lag of signal which will get worse. Geez, you got to love old Roadster technology! -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+phillip.b.hall=nasa.gov at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+phillip.b.hall=nasa.gov at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike H. Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:33 AM To: chalsted; d-solomon at comcast.net Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Yes, I get that all the time. I carry my cell with me incessantly, days go by without incoming calls, then all of a sudden I'll get "missed calls" and "messages" indicators. It's really annoying. Mike Hudson - '67 Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "chalsted" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't for > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on their > cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > Craig > ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Su From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Thu Mar 13 06:57:41 2008 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:57:41 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] List quirks... Message-ID: On the cell phone issue, most phone services search for your device, and if at that exact milli-second moment there is a dead zone in service, it goes immediately to voice mail. It happens within the buildings here at work (to the work cell phones), quite often. Happens most often, I have noticed, in the Structures Test Lab that has huge steel and concrete framework all over the place. (structural airframe tests of an A-10 Warthog and a E2C or D Prowler going on at the moment, you should hear the creakin' and groanin' going on! The forces put on an A-10 airframe by the gunblast alone is stunning, akin to that "chain-the-rearend of the cop car to the drive-in movie post" scene from American Graffiti) On the list delivery quirks, I get the digest version, and it is most intriguing to get folks answers prior to the questions, especially when they, (thanks for this) delete all but the relevant text of the original e-mail. An example of this is Jim Gammons very illustrative and learned answering comment on gas flow 2-3 days ago, which I have yet to see the question posed. Kinda like playing tennis in pea-soup fog! (ya hit balls, and one out of every 30 times you hear "Ouch!") Fergus (I know, that last analogy illustrates that the Stockton, Ca was not exactly the hot bed of entertainment opportunities in my early years) From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 07:18:48 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list In-Reply-To: <000801c88517$16e445e0$6500a8c0@lap> Message-ID: <961391.96914.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Let me guess, Verizon/ATT. I had that too. Messages as much as 26 hours late. I went to Cingular, problem went away. Then ATT bought them, but not Verizon. No problems, yet. Jim "Mike H." wrote: Yes, I get that all the time. I carry my cell with me incessantly, days go by without incoming calls, then all of a sudden I'll get "missed calls" and "messages" indicators. It's really annoying. Mike Hudson - '67 Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "chalsted" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't for > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on their > cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > Craig > ________________________________________ You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From twobeaners at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 07:42:02 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:42:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Message-ID: <6088618.1205419322399.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Yep! You guessed it! Verizon/ATT. Mike H. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gammon Sent: Mar 13, 2008 8:18 AM To: "Mike H." Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Let me guess, Verizon/ATT. I had that too. Messages as much as 26 hours late. I went to Cingular, problem went away. Then ATT bought them, but not Verizon. No problems, yet. Jim "Mike H." wrote: Yes, I get that all the time. I carry my cell with me incessantly, days go by without incoming calls, then all of a sudden I'll get "missed calls" and "messages" indicators. It's really annoying. Mike Hudson - '67 Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "chalsted" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't for > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on their > cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > Craig > ________________________________________ From tputland at charter.net Thu Mar 13 08:12:18 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 8:12:18 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] List quirks... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080313111218.UCM0P.110385.root@fepweb14> Fergus thusly spake: Fergus (I know, that last analogy illustrates that the Stockton, Ca was not exactly the hot bed of entertainment opportunities in my early years) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You think Stockton is bad? Try growing up in Yuba City!! it's just a flesh wound, I've 'ad worse. Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning From bubwin at mts.net Thu Mar 13 08:25:03 2008 From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") In-Reply-To: <008101c8848d$97776aa0$6500a8c0@lap> References: <031120082003.14122.47D6E574000080AD0000372A2200734076CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> <008101c8848d$97776aa0$6500a8c0@lap> Message-ID: Most Speed Shops sell what you need. They are known as a wheel spacers or wheel adapters. The advantage of wheel adapters is you can actually change the bolt pattern to fit those wheels you found on e-bay, but don't fit the Datsun bolt pattern. Check out these links to the Jegs website.. Baer Brake http://www.jegs.com/p/Baer+Brake/759919/10002/-1/11611 Jegs http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/957104/10002/-1/11611 Mr Gasket http://www.jegs.com/p/Mr.+Gasket/748902/10002/-1/11611 Cragar http://www.jegs.com/p/Cragar/762802/10002/-1/11611 Trans Dapt http://www.jegs.com/p/Trans+Dapt/811892/10002/-1/11611 No need to re-invent the wheel so to speak. Bob Winslade 1966-1600 Missy 1967-1600 Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike H." To: "Pete Peters" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few questions") > This subject came up at a good time for me. I need new ones and I'm > thinking > of going to these > drums also. Does anyone have these adaptor plates already made up? I could > consult my local machine shops to make them, but I thought I would check > the > list. > Mike Hudson - Stroker / 5-Speed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:03 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] 240Z rear brake drums fit? (was "Re: A few > questions") > > >> I did a quick Search in the 311s.org forums on "240Z drum*". Found 11 > matches, but this should answer your basic question: >> >> "The Z drums will bolt right up with out any modifications using an > adapter plate which contains the correct boss and counterbore on the > backside. I'm going to get the pair of adapters machined on the lathe in > the > new year." >> >> Here's a link to a drawing of the adapter: >> >> >> >> Early roadsters had steel drums. To use the 240Z drums, you need to >> modify > or replace the backing plates. >> >> Pete "no running roadster, but quick with Search!" >> [snip[ >> >> > Second, does anyone know if the rear aluminum drums are the same as on > an >> > early 240Z? Saw some on Craigslist and thought about picking them up. >> >> > Thanks! >> > Greg Burrows > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bubwin at mts.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From bubwin at mts.net Thu Mar 13 08:48:53 2008 From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:48:53 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply In-Reply-To: <001501c884cd$85694550$6402a8c0@gaxp1> References: <000201c884a5$2b0ad6a0$6700a8c0@chrissy> <001501c884cd$85694550$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <441A2F4379674A2AA8C917616A12DDDF@ownerPC> You should bottle it and sell it as Glo-Sticks. But since I gave you the idea, I want 25% of the Gross. Bob Winslade 1966-1600 Missy 1967-1600 Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "dave" ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply > Your water glows? You must live near one of them there nukuler plants at > Oyster Creek or Hancock's Bridge (Salem and Hope Creek). > > Gary Ault > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply > > >>I can send some water from over here in New Jersey..It's cool, if you turn >> off the lights it glows!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ppeters914 at comcast.net [mailto:ppeters914 at comcast.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:41 PM >> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Roadsters] OT: SoCal water supply >> >> >> I thought SoCal stole most of their water from Utah and/or Colorado. >> >> Pete >> >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: Gary McCormick >>> Any of you SoCal Roadster owners gonna rise to the bait on this one? I >>> mean, >>> sure, you all have been stealing water from Northern California for >> decades :^) >>> , but it DOES rain in Southern California, sometimes pretty damned >>> hard... >>> >>> Gary McCormick >>> San Jose, CA >>> >>> dave wrote: If you live in SoCal or >>> don't >>> drive in the rain, get any type >>> you like, rain isn't really an issue. >>> >>> Dave Brisco >>> ECR >>> ________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net >>> >>> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bubwin at mts.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From steve at olsonarchitect.com Thu Mar 13 09:08:27 2008 From: steve at olsonarchitect.com (Stephen Wan) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:08:27 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? References: <001a01c884bc$1a1f34f0$6501a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <059a01c88524$7939d810$7100a8c0@Stephen> Too bad they've been sold out for at least a year. Much less expensive than the RT-615's Steve 70' 1600 storage bin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Peters" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? > > Another hot one is the Falken Azeni RT-215 (and lower price than the > Yoko's): > > > > Pete From JohnnyRoadster at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 09:49:27 2008 From: JohnnyRoadster at comcast.net (JohnnyRoadster) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] behind grille color Message-ID: <00ed01c8852a$3783bc00$0300a8c0@JohnLaptop> In painting the area behind the grille, I have been told that it was black from the factory. I just finished doing that, but an wondering if the entire area is black, or is some of it in body color. I posted two new pics of work here. http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2360434560048273787TWSHII?vhost=rides SPL311-19356 http://community.webshots.com/user/johnnyroadster From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Thu Mar 13 10:01:16 2008 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:01:16 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Anyone done a conversion from early roadster brakes Message-ID: I am looking to convert a '64 body brake master cylinder over to the late model dual brake master cylinder system. Has anyone in the group done this and have the dimensions of the inserted box in the firewall as well as the swing arm mounting brackets inside the car back side of the firewall. Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.wycroc.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) 1963 SPL310-300161C 1963 SPL310-300289B 1964 SPL310-01289 1970 SRL311-12536 1970 SPL311-28169 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From michaelspreadbury at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 10:13:14 2008 From: michaelspreadbury at comcast.net (michaelspreadbury at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:13:14 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Anyone done a conversion from early roadster brakes Message-ID: <031320081713.13972.47D960AA000A02D5000036942206998499979D9A0D0B0E0A9D9F9C040A0E080C0703@comcast.net> Hi Gary, I did this conversion a few years ago on a 1967 Datsun roadster using the pocket and pedal assembly out of a 67.5. Before photo: http://datsun510.com/photopost/data/3143/medium/8Brake_area_before.jpg The area that was being cut out was carefully measured (not to interfere with the strengthing ribs in on the top) and was cut away with a plasma cutter: http://datsun510.com/photopost/data/3143/8Cutting_the_hole.jpg Note: This car was converted to an automatic, so the pocket was moved over a little more to eliminate the clutch pedal! The pocket was then welded in: http://datsun510.com/photopost/data/3143/8Brake_Pocket_Rough_In.jpg The welds were ground down and a couple firewall braces were added: http://datsun510.com/photopost/data/3143/8Brake_Pocket_with_first_brace.jpg And finally, a shot of the pocket all finished and painted: http://datsun510.com/photopost/data/3143/8Brake_Pocket_1.jpg 99% of the people who look at the car never realize that it was converted! Hope that helps, Michael Spreadbury spriso motorsports 1966 Datsun Roadster (SR20DE power) 1964 Datsun 1500 Roadster project -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com > I am looking to convert a '64 body brake master cylinder over to the late > model dual brake master cylinder system. Has anyone in the group done this and > have the dimensions of the inserted box in the firewall as well as the swing > arm mounting brackets inside the car back side of the firewall. From cwphotoguy at aol.com Thu Mar 13 10:13:49 2008 From: cwphotoguy at aol.com (cwphotoguy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:13:49 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 510 wagon Message-ID: <8CA5344BCC61BA0-9E0-57FA@webmail-nf12.sim.aol.com> I thought you guys might get a kick out of who's using a wagon on their new album cover............hmmm, I've never seen a more unlikely combo. Here's a link; http://grandjdm.com/2008/02/10/snoop-dogg-and-the-datsun-510s/ ?Cory Warner From tputland at charter.net Thu Mar 13 10:25:41 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:25:41 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 510 wagon In-Reply-To: <8CA5344BCC61BA0-9E0-57FA@webmail-nf12.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080313132541.UB22Y.426264.root@fepweb11> It's like Deja Vu all over again -- Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- cwphotoguy at aol.com wrote: ============= I thought you guys might get a kick out of who's using a wagon on their new album cover............hmmm, I've never seen a more unlikely combo. Here's a link; http://grandjdm.com/2008/02/10/snoop-dogg-and-the-datsun-510s/ ?Cory Warner ________________________________________ From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 11:57:27 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:57:27 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? Message-ID: <031320081857.23473.47D97916000EFBCE00005BB12200735834CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Ahhhhhhh, yes, but I think it's 185/70-14. You can mount bigger tires, but I don't believe it's safe as the tire manufacturer will specify a wider rim than the stock steelie wheelie. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "dave" > Nathaniel mentioned to mein an email he was running stock steel wheels,I > don't know exactly how that affects size, but limits it to 175/70-14, or in > that neighborhood,doesn't it? > > Dave Brisco > ECR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Peters [mailto:ppeters914 at comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:41 PM > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? > > > The Yoko's have a bitchin' tread: > > > > Another hot one is the Falken Azeni RT-215 (and lower price than the > Yoko's): > > > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Gordon Glasgow > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:30 PM > To: nmleeds at mindspring.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? > > > There are a couple of very good ones out there that come in both 185/60 and > 195/60: > > Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS > Yokohama AVS ES100 > > Gordon Glasgow > Renton, WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of nmleeds at mindspring.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:22 AM > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? > > I'm finally at the point where I'm about to upgrade from the "repair" tires > that I bought on craigslist for $40 (performance specs: up and down the > driveway; cornering: optional; road feel: space cadet) to a set of real > tires. > > What do people like for a weekend driver? Fun on the roads, comfortable, and > not bank-busting. > > Nathaniel > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 12:19:45 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:19:45 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Message-ID: <031320081919.15993.47D97E510008A81400003E792207000953CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Happened to me once. Don't understand it either. Just chalk it up to the computer/internet/cellphone gremlins. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "chalsted" > I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't for > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on their > cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > Craig > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 12:21:50 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:21:50 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Message-ID: <031320081921.29938.47D97ECE000B5BC0000074F22200750330CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> That's a feature, not a bug! Seriously, who's your carrier and what model phone? Maybe everyone with the problem is with the same carrier. Pete "who started with Air Touch" -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mike H." > Yes, I get that all the time. I carry my cell with me incessantly, days go > by without incoming calls, then all of a sudden I'll get "missed calls" and > "messages" indicators. It's really annoying. > Mike Hudson - '67 Stroker / 5-speed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chalsted" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > > > > I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't > for > > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to > > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on their > > cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > > > Craig > > ________________________________________ > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 12:33:59 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:33:59 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Cellphone chat (was something else) Message-ID: <031320081933.495.47D981A7000377EF000001EF2213575333CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Waitaminute....it's either Verizon -OR- ATT aka Cingular aka the New AT&T. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mike H." > Yep! You guessed it! > > Verizon/ATT. > > Mike H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gammon > Sent: Mar 13, 2008 8:18 AM > To: "Mike H." > Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > > Let me guess, Verizon/ATT. > > I had that too. Messages as much as 26 hours late. > > I went to Cingular, problem went away. Then ATT bought them, but not > Verizon. No problems, yet. > > Jim > "Mike H." wrote: > > Yes, I get that all the time. I carry my cell with me incessantly, > days go > by without incoming calls, then all of a sudden I'll get "missed > calls" and > "messages" indicators. It's really annoying. > Mike Hudson - '67 Stroker / 5-speed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chalsted" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > > I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I > can't > for > > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for > me to > > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen > on their > > cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > > > Craig > > ________________________________________ > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 12:43:44 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:43:44 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Anyone done a conversion from early roadster brakes Message-ID: <031320081943.8481.47D983F0000A0B81000021212200735834CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Michael, I'd almost venture that most people never realize your SR20 conversions ain't stock, lol. Pete "clean weld envy" -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: michaelspreadbury at comcast.net > > 99% of the people who look at the car never realize that it was converted! > > Hope that helps, > > Michael Spreadbury > spriso motorsports > > 1966 Datsun Roadster (SR20DE power) > 1964 Datsun 1500 Roadster project > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com > > I am looking to convert a '64 body brake master cylinder over to the late > > model dual brake master cylinder system. Has anyone in the group done this > and > > have the dimensions of the inserted box in the firewall as well as the swing > > arm mounting brackets inside the car back side of the firewall. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 13:00:43 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:00:43 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? Message-ID: <031320082000.7278.47D987EB000556AB00001C6E2200735834CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Well.....poop! I didn't realize that. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Stephen Wan" > Too bad they've been sold out for at least a year. > Much less expensive than the RT-615's > > Steve > 70' 1600 storage bin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Peters" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What tires do people like? > > > > > > Another hot one is the Falken Azeni RT-215 (and lower price than the > > Yoko's): > > > > > > > > Pete From graemes at internode.on.net Thu Mar 13 14:19:42 2008 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:49:42 +1030 Subject: [Roadsters] behind grille color In-Reply-To: <00ed01c8852a$3783bc00$0300a8c0@JohnLaptop> References: <00ed01c8852a$3783bc00$0300a8c0@JohnLaptop> Message-ID: <000601c8854f$f6191a50$426fa8c0@desktop> Looking at your pic. I reckon you have it done correctly. It matches what I remember my SP310 looked like when I stripped it down. Mine was pretty dull so I'm guessing it should be satin at least but not high gloss[??] FWIW "In painting the area behind the grille, I have been told that it was black from the factory. I just finished doing that, but an wondering if the entire area is black, or is some of it in body color." No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 12/03/2008 1:27 PM From jrdmf at aol.com Thu Mar 13 16:27:41 2008 From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] behind grille color In-Reply-To: <00ed01c8852a$3783bc00$0300a8c0@JohnLaptop> References: <00ed01c8852a$3783bc00$0300a8c0@JohnLaptop> Message-ID: <8CA5378F737CC71-1170-1648@webmail-nd10.sysops.aol.com> I?prefer not to see?any color through the grill either so?I like the?way you have done it but If you are?trying to make it look factory then here's?the scoop.? I have two original "never painted" cars and both of them have the face of the area directly behind the grill painted black. (But the top of the front rail is?still the same color as the car.)?The two bars that are removeable are also painted black but eveything else under the hood and behind the grill is the same color as the car. (Including the the area where the horns mount etc.) It actually looks like someone painted the blacked out?sections with a brush and I have heard others with original paint jobs say theirs looks like that too? Just make it easy on yourself and paint the whole car black? :-) Hope this helps? Jon Frampton Huntington Beach Ca -----Original Message----- From: JohnnyRoadster To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 9:49 am Subject: [Roadsters] behind grille color In painting the area behind the grille, I have been told that it was black from the factory. I just finished doing that, but an wondering if the entire area is black, or is some of it in body color. I posted two new pics of work here. http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2360434560048273787TWSHII?vhost=rides SPL311-19356 http://community.webshots.com/user/johnnyroadster You are subscribed as jrdmf at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From daveandlindab at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 17:36:12 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] List quirks... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c8856b$68614860$6700a8c0@chrissy> You mean quotes out of context that lose the original subject? Such as Fergus wrote:..."ya hit balls, and one out of every 30 times you hear "Ouch!" I think the percentage would be A LOT higher Subject: [Roadsters] List quirks... From daveandlindab at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 17:42:47 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:42:47 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list In-Reply-To: <961391.96914.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c8856c$53c65c50$6700a8c0@chrissy> My record for a delayed message is almost 3 weeks. Love that Verizon. We've learned to check the date, saved a few red faces going out to fix stuff that was done 2 weeks ago. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gammon [mailto:gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:19 AM To: Mike H. Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Let me guess, Verizon/ATT. I had that too. Messages as much as 26 hours late. I went to Cingular, problem went away. Then ATT bought them, but not Verizon. No problems, yet. Jim "Mike H." wrote: Yes, I get that all the time. I carry my cell with me incessantly, days go by without incoming calls, then all of a sudden I'll get "missed calls" and "messages" indicators. It's really annoying. Mike Hudson - '67 Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "chalsted" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't for > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on > their cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > Craig > ________________________________________ You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From funkaholik at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 17:51:29 2008 From: funkaholik at yahoo.com (Erik Miller) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Stock steelies Message-ID: <382153.57368.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A good option for people who want to keep the stock wheel, but run a wider tire, is having the steelies widened. Plenty of wheel shops, like Stockton Wheel near the SF Bay Area, can do this, plus make custom offsets, powdercoating, etc. Erik Miller 1970 SPL311-29945 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From shifty at shiftco.com Thu Mar 13 20:50:11 2008 From: shifty at shiftco.com (Leigh Brooks) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:50:11 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Stock steelies In-Reply-To: <382153.57368.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <382153.57368.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <725CAA41-6CD2-40FB-874F-2B574A41DA5F@shiftco.com> You could also take the later Z steelies and have some hubcap tabs welded on. They are 1/2" wider. Leigh Brooks On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Erik Miller wrote: > A good option for people who want to keep the stock wheel, but run > a wider tire, is having the steelies widened. Plenty of wheel > shops, like Stockton Wheel near the SF Bay Area, can do this, plus > make custom offsets, powdercoating, etc. > > > Erik Miller > 1970 SPL311-29945 From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Thu Mar 13 20:52:26 2008 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:52:26 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] WANTED: The firewall pocket for brake master cylinder Message-ID: Anyone out there cutting up a late model body that could spare the dual master brake cylinder firewall pocket? Upgrading my early roadster and needing the firewall pocket (easier to have an existing cutout than trying to fabricate one). Let me know. Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1969 SRL311-12536 (licensed as '70) 1970 SPL311-28169 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From aultgc at att.net Thu Mar 13 21:22:24 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:22:24 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list References: <031320081254.5777.47D9241E0008E28B0000169122068246930201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> <00b401c8850c$bf750c40$136fa343@craigscomputer> Message-ID: <004601c8858b$011e7220$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Craig, I hate to tell you this, but that is what sometimes happens when the FBI or CIA has a tap on your lines. What have you been up to boy? Better watch out, or you'll find yourself charged with conspiracy to supplant MG, Triumph and Austin Healy as the premier sports cars in the US. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "chalsted" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list >I can see a day or two if there are equipment malfunctions but I can't for > the life of me understand why it's taken as long as 13 days for me to > receive a message on my cell phone....anyone else had this happen on their > cell phones? just doesn't make any sense to me... > > Craig > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Thu Mar 13 21:31:32 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:31:32 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list References: <031120082104.96.47D6F3F400099DF3000000602200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009301c8858c$484869c0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> C'mon. You're just messin' with him, right? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Datsun Roadster List" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > Hey, anyone know what's up with d-solomon? Haven't seen any posts from in > about 4 days. > > Pete > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: d-solomon at comcast.net >> this is a test..... this is only a test.... >> >> if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see me >> jumping >> up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list >> finally...... >> >> for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. >> anyone else? >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From d-solomon at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 21:35:23 2008 From: d-solomon at comcast.net (Daniel Solomon) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:35:23 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list In-Reply-To: <009301c8858c$484869c0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> References: <031120082104.96.47D6F3F400099DF3000000602200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> <009301c8858c$484869c0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <47DA008B.3080302@comcast.net> hahaha.... very funny guys..... :-) :-) thanks for the chuckle..... I got kicked in the junk (figuratively speaking) at work today, and I needed that! Thanks. Dan Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > C'mon. You're just messin' with him, right? > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Datsun Roadster List" > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > > > >> Hey, anyone know what's up with d-solomon? Haven't seen any posts from in >> about 4 days. >> >> Pete >> >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: d-solomon at comcast.net >> >>> this is a test..... this is only a test.... >>> >>> if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see me >>> jumping >>> up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list >>> finally...... >>> >>> for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. >>> anyone else? >>> ________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net >>> >>> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >>> >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >> > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as d-solomon at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From d-solomon at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 21:37:22 2008 From: d-solomon at comcast.net (Daniel Solomon) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:37:22 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list In-Reply-To: <009301c8858c$484869c0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> References: <031120082104.96.47D6F3F400099DF3000000602200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> <009301c8858c$484869c0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <47DA0102.60105@comcast.net> hahaha.... very funny guys..... :-) :-) thanks for the chuckle..... I got kicked in the junk (figuratively speaking) at work today, and I needed that! Thanks. Dan Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > C'mon. You're just messin' with him, right? > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Datsun Roadster List" > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > > > >> Hey, anyone know what's up with d-solomon? Haven't seen any posts from in >> about 4 days. >> >> Pete >> >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: d-solomon at comcast.net >> >>> this is a test..... this is only a test.... >>> >>> if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see me >>> jumping >>> up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list >>> finally...... >>> >>> for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. >>> anyone else? >>> ________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net >>> >>> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >>> >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >> > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as d-solomon at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Thu Mar 13 22:19:25 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 311 References: Message-ID: <018001c88592$f88033d0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Rick, I recently bought a '67-1/2 2000 which has no radio. Until I find an original, I plan to put something compatible in the car. I searched the web, and found www.vintagecarradio.com. Talk with Brad at (877) 331-9560. He's very helpful. They will build a a modern, digital radio AM-FM (no cassette or CD) which looks analog within certain dimensional parameters. Turns out their chassis dimensions will work just fine with low-windshield cars -- both with respect to size and knob spacing. $170.00. I suspect they can make one for the high-windshield cars, also. Check them out. I haven't bought one yet, but I intend to. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bush" To: "Matt Jacquet" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 311 > Good morning to all. > > Does anyone know of a good car audio website that is able to determine > model > compatibility? > > Any input would be most appreciated. > > Rick > > > > On 11/3/08 19:28, "Matt Jacquet" wrote: > >> Happy 311 :) >> >> Do something Roadster toady. >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as rabush2000 at hotmail.com >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >> > > R A Bush > P O Box 500003 > Dubai, UAE > Home: 971 4 344 0631 > Mobile: 971 50 456 4357 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From shifty at shiftco.com Thu Mar 13 22:52:51 2008 From: shifty at shiftco.com (Leigh Brooks) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:52:51 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] radio In-Reply-To: <018001c88592$f88033d0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> References: <018001c88592$f88033d0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <8689D85E-68A7-4C46-8E5B-3C85393324C7@shiftco.com> I'm not sure I shared this with the list, but I adapted a later Datsun/Clarion radio for mp3 input. http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php? n=TechSection.MP3ForDatsunClarion Leigh Brooks From info at sportsimports.ca Fri Mar 14 07:50:22 2008 From: info at sportsimports.ca (Ross Mullen / Sports Imports) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:50:22 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Stock steelies In-Reply-To: <725CAA41-6CD2-40FB-874F-2B574A41DA5F@shiftco.com> References: <382153.57368.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <725CAA41-6CD2-40FB-874F-2B574A41DA5F@shiftco.com> Message-ID: <435848F7-8D23-43B2-A7BC-5BD9CF66C6F8@sportsimports.ca> We have sets of 6 inch steel wheels made locally. Not cheap but for BC owners wanting collector plate insurance well worth it as you save the cost of the wheels for the first years insurance. We have a set available. offset is different from front to back. Ross sports imports On 13-Mar-08, at 8:50 PM, Leigh Brooks wrote: > You could also take the later Z steelies and have some hubcap tabs > welded on. > > They are 1/2" wider. > > Leigh Brooks > > > On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Erik Miller wrote: > >> A good option for people who want to keep the stock wheel, but run >> a wider tire, is having the steelies widened. Plenty of wheel >> shops, like Stockton Wheel near the SF Bay Area, can do this, plus >> make custom offsets, powdercoating, etc. >> >> >> Erik Miller >> 1970 SPL311-29945 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as info at sportsimports.ca > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From escanlon at wa-net.com Fri Mar 14 12:19:02 2008 From: escanlon at wa-net.com (E Scanlon) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:19:02 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Stock steelies References: <382153.57368.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com><725CAA41-6CD2-40FB-874F-2B574A41DA5F@shiftco.com> <435848F7-8D23-43B2-A7BC-5BD9CF66C6F8@sportsimports.ca> Message-ID: <001601c88608$4401fb20$0300a8c0@HPW> Ross: On behalf of those of us who don't understand the relation between collector plate insurance and wheels could you elaborate? I understood the main intent of the discussion was how to have wider tires while still maintaining the original look including the hub caps. Which, due to the various logistical problems in obtaining tires, makes sense. Someone please correct me if I've misunderstood. (Question, now that 14" tires are becoming passi and 15" and higher becoming more common, any thoughts on what to do? Or do we start stock-pilng tires?) E > We have sets of 6 inch steel wheels made locally. Not cheap but for > BC owners wanting collector plate insurance well worth it as you save > the cost of the wheels for the first years insurance. We have a set > available. offset is different from front to back. > > Ross > sports imports From ppeters914 at comcast.net Fri Mar 14 12:54:48 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:54:48 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list Message-ID: <031420081954.28385.47DAD808000E872100006EE12213575333CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Yup. I say, that's a joke, son. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" > C'mon. You're just messin' with him, right? > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Datsun Roadster List" > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list > > > > Hey, anyone know what's up with d-solomon? Haven't seen any posts from in > > about 4 days. > > > > Pete > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: d-solomon at comcast.net > >> this is a test..... this is only a test.... > >> > >> if this had been an actual message to the list from me, you would see me > >> jumping > >> up and down for joy at havingh succeeded at posting to the list > >> finally...... > >> > >> for about 4 days, nothing i send actually makes it to the list. > >> anyone else? > >> ________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > >> > >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list > >> > >> http://www.team.net/archive > >> > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gsm at gregorysmorrison.com Fri Mar 14 12:55:06 2008 From: gsm at gregorysmorrison.com (Gregory S. Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:55:06 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Wider Wheels/Tires Message-ID: Just a word of caution: Unless you've flared your fenders, particularly in the back, tires that are much wider than stock can produce sudden and loud noises when cornering and on less than smooth roads. It was merely annoying to me but kind of scared the heck out of my wife (which could be really loud...both the tires and my wife); making sunny drives not as fun as they could/should be. Trading out my wife wasn't an option so I traded out the tires and wheels instead. Hope this helps, Greg SRL31100494 From RWM at RWMann.com Fri Mar 14 13:04:32 2008 From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:04:32 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Wider Wheels/Tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DADA50.7020500@RWMann.com> Generally good advice, but that said, I find that with proper offset (don't ask, I don't remember), 205/60-14 Bridgestone RE71s on 7" alloys fit just fine... - Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex, RE71s front 195/55-14 and rear 206/60-14 Gregory S. Morrison wrote: >Just a word of caution: Unless you've flared your fenders, particularly in >the back, tires that are much wider than stock can produce sudden and loud >noises when cornering and on less than smooth roads. It was merely annoying >to me but kind of scared the heck out of my wife (which could be really >loud...both the tires and my wife); making sunny drives not as fun as they >could/should be. Trading out my wife wasn't an option so I traded out the >tires and wheels instead. > >Hope this helps, >Greg >SRL31100494 From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Fri Mar 14 13:04:57 2008 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:04:57 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Wider Wheels/Tires Message-ID: A couple years back, I took my stock 14" rims, had them separated and the inside brass coated and outside chromed and then had them rewelded back with about an additional 1/2" inset and they looked and handled great. Had stock baby moon hubcaps to finish off the look. Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1969 SRL311-12536 (licensed as '70) 1970 SPL311-28169 In a message dated 3/14/2008 1:56:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gsm at gregorysmorrison.com writes: Just a word of caution: Unless you've flared your fenders, particularly in the back, tires that are much wider than stock can produce sudden and loud noises when cornering and on less than smooth roads. It was merely annoying to me but kind of scared the heck out of my wife (which could be really loud...both the tires and my wife); making sunny drives not as fun as they could/should be. Trading out my wife wasn't an option so I traded out the tires and wheels instead. Hope this helps, Greg SRL31100494 You are subscribed as barterdude at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ppeters914 at comcast.net Fri Mar 14 13:15:23 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:15:23 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Wider Wheels/Tires Message-ID: <031420082015.3246.47DADCDB000B4F3200000CAE2200750744CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Pics! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com > A couple years back, I took my stock 14" rims, had them separated and the > inside brass coated and outside chromed and then had them rewelded back with > about an additional 1/2" inset and they looked and handled great. Had stock > baby moon hubcaps to finish off the look. > > > Gary Lasater - Parker CO > founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) > 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) > 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) > 1964 SPL310-01289 > 1969 SRL311-12536 (licensed as '70) > 1970 SPL311-28169 > > > > In a message dated 3/14/2008 1:56:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > gsm at gregorysmorrison.com writes: > > Just a word of caution: Unless you've flared your fenders, particularly in > the back, tires that are much wider than stock can produce sudden and loud > noises when cornering and on less than smooth roads. It was merely annoying > to me but kind of scared the heck out of my wife (which could be really > loud...both the tires and my wife); making sunny drives not as fun as they > could/should be. Trading out my wife wasn't an option so I traded out the > tires and wheels instead. > > Hope this helps, > Greg > SRL31100494 > You are subscribed as barterdude at aol.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From info at sportsimports.ca Fri Mar 14 14:09:24 2008 From: info at sportsimports.ca (Ross Mullen / Sports Imports) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:09:24 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Stock steelies In-Reply-To: <001601c88608$4401fb20$0300a8c0@HPW> References: <382153.57368.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com><725CAA41-6CD2-40FB-874F-2B574A41DA5F@shiftco.com> <435848F7-8D23-43B2-A7BC-5BD9CF66C6F8@sportsimports.ca> <001601c88608$4401fb20$0300a8c0@HPW> Message-ID: <18CA9B22-0122-479E-A282-65739B4DFEF9@sportsimports.ca> In British Columbia we have a choice in how to insure your collector car. regular insurance that enables you to drive to work or school or collector car insurance that has limitations like not for work or school. Collector car insurance is not available to cars that have been modified with after market wheels. Many of our customers wanted to keep their collector plate insurance and yet still wanted a wider tire without changing the appearance of the rims. they were able to keep the stock look of a steel wheel with hub cap and still fit a 195-60 14 or even a 205-60 14 without having to pay more for yearly insurance. the cost of the rim widening was ~$150 per wheel and then paint or powder coat on top. The wider steel wheel allows for stock appearance and eligibility for collector insurance. Sorry for not being more clear at the outset. I hope this answers the questions. Ross sports imports On 14-Mar-08, at 12:19 PM, E Scanlon wrote: > Ross: > On behalf of those of us who don't understand the relation between > collector plate insurance and wheels could you elaborate? > > I understood the main intent of the discussion was how to have > wider tires while still maintaining the original look including the > hub caps. > Which, due to the various logistical problems in obtaining tires, > makes sense. > > Someone please correct me if I've misunderstood. > > (Question, now that 14" tires are becoming passi and 15" and higher > becoming more common, any thoughts on what to do? Or do we start > stock-pilng tires?) > > E > > >> We have sets of 6 inch steel wheels made locally. Not cheap but for >> BC owners wanting collector plate insurance well worth it as you save >> the cost of the wheels for the first years insurance. We have a set >> available. offset is different from front to back. >> >> Ross >> sports imports From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 14 14:21:02 2008 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Stock steelies In-Reply-To: <18CA9B22-0122-479E-A282-65739B4DFEF9@sportsimports.ca> Message-ID: <688068.82634.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting little fillip of law for vintage car owners - we all have to contend with that kind of petty bureaucratic crap no matter where we live, don't we? A question occurred to me when reading Ross's description of the BC rules - what if you put year-appropriate aftermarket wheels on your Roadster, like a set of vintage Minilites? Would that cause a Motor Vehicles Bureau apparatchik's brain to hit overload? Just thinking out loud... Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Ross Mullen / Sports Imports wrote: In British Columbia we have a choice in how to insure your collector car. regular insurance that enables you to drive to work or school or collector car insurance that has limitations like not for work or school. Collector car insurance is not available to cars that have been modified with after market wheels. Many of our customers wanted to keep their collector plate insurance and yet still wanted a wider tire without changing the appearance of the rims. they were able to keep the stock look of a steel wheel with hub cap and still fit a 195-60 14 or even a 205-60 14 without having to pay more for yearly insurance. the cost of the rim widening was ~$150 per wheel and then paint or powder coat on top. The wider steel wheel allows for stock appearance and eligibility for collector insurance. Sorry for not being more clear at the outset. I hope this answers the questions. Ross sports imports On 14-Mar-08, at 12:19 PM, E Scanlon wrote: > Ross: > On behalf of those of us who don't understand the relation between > collector plate insurance and wheels could you elaborate? > > I understood the main intent of the discussion was how to have > wider tires while still maintaining the original look including the > hub caps. > Which, due to the various logistical problems in obtaining tires, > makes sense. > > Someone please correct me if I've misunderstood. > > (Question, now that 14" tires are becoming passi and 15" and higher > becoming more common, any thoughts on what to do? Or do we start > stock-pilng tires?) > > E > > >> We have sets of 6 inch steel wheels made locally. Not cheap but for >> BC owners wanting collector plate insurance well worth it as you save >> the cost of the wheels for the first years insurance. We have a set >> available. offset is different from front to back. >> >> Ross >> sports imports You are subscribed as gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From garytew at cox.net Fri Mar 14 15:41:48 2008 From: garytew at cox.net (Gary Tew) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal Message-ID: <47DAFF2C.8050907@cox.net> Has anyone successfully removed the mirror glass from the mirror on a dash mounted rear view?. I had a couple of mirrors re chromed. I disassembled them first, breaking the mirrors in the process. Neither mirror was in salvageable condition so I wasn't concerned. I've since had difficulty finding automotive mirror material locally and had to use regular mirror glass in my restoration piece. I'm told the auto glass is not 100% reflective, letting some light pass through so the driver isn't blinded by headlights at night. Now I have a mirror in poor condition but with a good mirror glass that I'd like to salvage and put in my re chromed piece. I'd rather not destroy the mirror casing but will sacrifice it to get the mirror out intact. Sorry for the rambling ?? Thanks Gary Tew Peoria, AZ VG30 1600 From gsm at gregorysmorrison.com Fri Mar 14 16:24:28 2008 From: gsm at gregorysmorrison.com (Gregory S. Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:24:28 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal In-Reply-To: <47DAFF2C.8050907@cox.net> Message-ID: Les Cannaday at Classic Datsun Motorsports 760-940-6365 knows, or at least knew, a guy that could pull the glass out of the gauges. I also picked up an outside mirror from Les that had been rechromed and had new glass. I don't know about the other Roadster vendors, but they would probably know as well. Have a Roadster weekend! Greg SRL31100494 On 3/14/08 3:41 PM, "Gary Tew" wrote: > Has anyone successfully removed the mirror glass from the mirror on a > dash mounted rear view?. I had a couple of mirrors re chromed. I > disassembled them first, breaking the mirrors in the process. Neither > mirror was in salvageable condition so I wasn't concerned. I've since > had difficulty finding automotive mirror material locally and had to use > regular mirror glass in my restoration piece. I'm told the auto glass > is not 100% reflective, letting some light pass through so the driver > isn't blinded by headlights at night. Now I have a mirror in poor > condition but with a good mirror glass that I'd like to salvage and put > in my re chromed piece. I'd rather not destroy the mirror casing but > will sacrifice it to get the mirror out intact. Sorry for the rambling > ?? Thanks > > Gary Tew > Peoria, AZ > VG30 1600 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gsm at gregorysmorrison.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From daveandlindab at comcast.net Fri Mar 14 17:37:06 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:37:06 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] my messages are not reaching the list In-Reply-To: <47DA008B.3080302@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001e01c88634$b2b16250$6700a8c0@chrissy> We were trying to find a large inflatanle bus to put over the table in our department at work, as we are thrown under one almost daily by our co-workers. BTW, Who's Dan?, that guy who never posts anything? Dave Brisco -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Solomon [mailto:d-solomon at comcast.net] hahaha.... very funny guys..... :-) :-) thanks for the chuckle..... I got kicked in the junk (figuratively speaking) at work today, and I needed that! Thanks. Dan From andycost at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 14 19:09:44 2008 From: andycost at embarqmail.com (Andy Cost) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not sure if the glass is mechanically attached or held in with adhesive. If adhesive you might try some methylene chloride. It is commonly sold as gasket remover in aerosol. I'm not sure if it will damage the mirror but it will probably dissolve the adhesive. Andy -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+andycost=embarqmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+andycost=embarqmail.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gregory S. Morrison Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:24 PM To: Gary Tew; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] mirror removal Les Cannaday at Classic Datsun Motorsports 760-940-6365 knows, or at least knew, a guy that could pull the glass out of the gauges. I also picked up an outside mirror from Les that had been rechromed and had new glass. I don't know about the other Roadster vendors, but they would probably know as well. Have a Roadster weekend! Greg SRL31100494 On 3/14/08 3:41 PM, "Gary Tew" wrote: > Has anyone successfully removed the mirror glass from the mirror on a > dash mounted rear view?. I had a couple of mirrors re chromed. I > disassembled them first, breaking the mirrors in the process. Neither > mirror was in salvageable condition so I wasn't concerned. I've since > had difficulty finding automotive mirror material locally and had to use > regular mirror glass in my restoration piece. I'm told the auto glass > is not 100% reflective, letting some light pass through so the driver > isn't blinded by headlights at night. Now I have a mirror in poor > condition but with a good mirror glass that I'd like to salvage and put > in my re chromed piece. I'd rather not destroy the mirror casing but > will sacrifice it to get the mirror out intact. Sorry for the rambling > ?? Thanks > > Gary Tew > Peoria, AZ > VG30 1600 From graemes at internode.on.net Fri Mar 14 19:35:10 2008 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:05:10 +1030 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c88645$31066ff0$426fa8c0@desktop> Yes, they have a bead of adhesive running around the perimeter of the glass. I don't like your chances of removing it intact or not damaging the silver backing. However, nothing ventured..... "I'm not sure if the glass is mechanically attached or held in with adhesive." No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 13/03/2008 11:31 AM From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Fri Mar 14 19:56:52 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:56:52 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal In-Reply-To: <000001c88645$31066ff0$426fa8c0@desktop> References: <000001c88645$31066ff0$426fa8c0@desktop> Message-ID: Apart from solvent, perhaps you could try heating it either by butane, or more evenly perhaps sticking it in the oven at some temperature that might make whatever adhesive soft enough to be able to pry it out - using mittens to hold the metal of course. Just a suggestion From aultgc at att.net Fri Mar 14 22:42:53 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:42:53 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] behind grille color References: <00ed01c8852a$3783bc00$0300a8c0@JohnLaptop> <8CA5378F737CC71-1170-1648@webmail-nd10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00be01c8865f$6a9f50a0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> My '66 1600 was purchased from the original owner when it was five years old. He alleged, and it certinaly appeared, that the car had never been painted. The area behind the grill matched the rest of the car. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] behind grille color > I?prefer not to see?any color through the grill either so?I like the?way > you have done it but If you are?trying to make it look factory then > here's?the scoop.? I have two original "never painted" cars and both of > them have the face of the area directly behind the grill painted black. > (But the top of the front rail is?still the same color as the car.)?The > two bars that are removeable are also painted black but eveything else > under the hood and behind the grill is the same color as the car. > (Including the the area where the horns mount etc.) It actually looks like > someone painted the blacked out?sections with a brush and I have heard > others with original paint jobs say theirs looks like that too? > > Just make it easy on yourself and paint the whole car black? :-) > > Hope this helps? > > Jon Frampton > Huntington Beach Ca > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JohnnyRoadster > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 9:49 am > Subject: [Roadsters] behind grille color > > > > In painting the area behind the grille, I have been told that it was black > from the factory. I just finished doing that, but an wondering if the > entire > area is black, or is some of it in body color. I posted two new pics of > work > here. > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2360434560048273787TWSHII?vhost=rides > > SPL311-19356 > http://community.webshots.com/user/johnnyroadster > You are subscribed as jrdmf at aol.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From akarcioglu at telus.net Fri Mar 14 23:00:34 2008 From: akarcioglu at telus.net (alp) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:00:34 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal Message-ID: <1205560834.47db6602297cc@webmail.telus.net> for all the hassles why not just get a new one? There were some still available not too long ago. I picked a set up myself. I am not sure if they are exactly the same but they are very close. From bmccarthy67 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 15 00:24:11 2008 From: bmccarthy67 at hotmail.com (John McCarthy) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:24:11 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal In-Reply-To: <47DAFF2C.8050907@cox.net> References: <47DAFF2C.8050907@cox.net> Message-ID: Gary, I know it's easy on the 67.5 because the mirror has screws to take of the retaining ring around the casing. I bought another mirror off of eBay (I think it was for a Z?)...anyway I took the glass out and took both parts to a glass shop and they cut the new mirror to fit. I have a 67 and I know the chrome dash mirror is even smaller so maybe you could just by a low cost mirror on line or even in the Help! section of an auto parts store...take that glass and your new chrome piece to a shop and have it cut to fit. You can try some of the methods mentioned that use heat...but the silver coating on the back of the mirror is so thin you may lose some regardless of your care and diligence. v/r Buddy > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:41:48 -0700> From: garytew at cox.net> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal> > Has anyone successfully removed the mirror glass from the mirror on a > dash mounted rear view?. I had a couple of mirrors re chromed. I > disassembled them first, breaking the mirrors in the process. Neither > mirror was in salvageable condition so I wasn't concerned. I've since > had difficulty finding automotive mirror material locally and had to use > regular mirror glass in my restoration piece. I'm told the auto glass > is not 100% reflective, letting some light pass through so the driver > isn't blinded by headlights at night. Now I have a mirror in poor > condition but with a good mirror glass that I'd like to salvage and put > in my re chromed piece. I'd rather not destroy the mirror casing but > will sacrifice it to get the mirror out intact. Sorry for the rambling > ?? Thanks> > Gary Tew> Peoria, AZ> VG30 1600> ________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as bmccarthy67 at hotmail.com> > Datsun-roadsters mailing list> > http://www.team.net/archive> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From tom at datsun2000.com Sat Mar 15 09:55:52 2008 From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:55:52 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal In-Reply-To: <47DAFF2C.8050907@cox.net> Message-ID: On the Lexus SC forum there has been quite a bit of discussion about restoring the headlights. It probably is a good discussion for anyone with modern headlights that have turned white or developed other problems. It might work for separating a mirror from the mount. They are talking about setting the kitchen oven for about 150 degrees and placing the headlight assembly in the warm oven for about 20 minutes. That softens the adhesive that holds the headlight assembly pieces together and allows them to be separated. After cleaning the plastic pieces with metal polish or other plastic cleaner they glue things back together again and it looks as good as new. I got lucky with my SC400. A little metal polish on the exterior and they were clear as a bell. I think I would try heating the mirror assembly and see if it might work there as well. Tom 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gary Tew Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:42 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal Has anyone successfully removed the mirror glass from the mirror on a dash mounted rear view?. I had a couple of mirrors re chromed. I disassembled them first, breaking the mirrors in the process. Neither mirror was in salvageable condition so I wasn't concerned. I've since had difficulty finding automotive mirror material locally and had to use regular mirror glass in my restoration piece. I'm told the auto glass is not 100% reflective, letting some light pass through so the driver isn't blinded by headlights at night. Now I have a mirror in poor condition but with a good mirror glass that I'd like to salvage and put in my re chromed piece. I'd rather not destroy the mirror casing but will sacrifice it to get the mirror out intact. Sorry for the rambling ?? Thanks Gary Tew Peoria, AZ VG30 1600 From jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com Sat Mar 15 12:20:38 2008 From: jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com (Joe Russo) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:20:38 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Advice on Wheels and Tire combos Message-ID: <000301c886d1$a7f2e760$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> My 70 SRL project is progressing to the point where I need to find some tires. Recent posts about tires have helped spur me into action - so thanks for that. There's still about a foot of snow on the ground here in NY but it's melting (slowly) so no big rush. I am liking the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS recommended by Gordon (based on Tirerack survey info). I am running the Yoko's on my other roadster and figured I would give the Bridgestones a try. I spent about an hour on 311s org and I couldn't find what I was looking for - at least not in enough detail to give me confidence to spend a few hundred on new tires. At one time I read on 311s.org that almost any Z-car wheel would fit on the roadster but I can't seem to find that content on the site anymore. Here's what I have to work with: A set of Konig rewind 14x7 from a 240Z (-9mm offset I believe). - If I go with these, what size tire would fit on the roadster? I think I have to go to a 205 series go get out to the 7" rim width - any tire advice for these wheels? I think people are running these based on some pics and info on 311s but the site was not clear on offsets and tire sizes. A set of Appliance Mesh 14x6 wheels - again from a 240Z (offset???) - I am leaning toward these wheels because I think they will fit better (although I like the look of the rewinds better). I am liking a 195/60-14 or 185/60-14 for these. Any advice how to measure the offset? Being an EE, I was never very good with the mechanical measurements except basic stuff like rulers or calipers Last choice is the stock steelies with the stock dog dish hub caps - I would run the 175/70-14's on these. I apologize if this info is readily available on 311s and I am too lame to find it - I just couldn't get enough details from the time I spent looking - I figured you all would help me out. Thanks Joe From alvingogi at hotmail.com Sat Mar 15 15:15:34 2008 From: alvingogi at hotmail.com (alvin gogineni) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:15:34 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Advice on Wheels and Tire combos In-Reply-To: <000301c886d1$a7f2e760$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> References: <000301c886d1$a7f2e760$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> Message-ID: The konigs are 0 offset, and won't clear your rear fenders. -9mm is even worse. 195/60/14 on the Appliance will work fine.Alvin GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20> From: jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:20:38 -0400> Subject: [Roadsters] Advice on Wheels and Tire combos> > My 70 SRL project is progressing to the point where I need to find some> tires. Recent posts about tires have helped spur me into action - so thanks> for that. There's still about a foot of snow on the ground here in NY but> it's melting (slowly) so no big rush.> > > > I am liking the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS recommended by Gordon (based on> Tirerack survey info). I am running the Yoko's on my other roadster and> figured I would give the Bridgestones a try.> > > > I spent about an hour on 311s org and I couldn't find what I was looking for> - at least not in enough detail to give me confidence to spend a few hundred> on new tires. At one time I read on 311s.org that almost any Z-car wheel> would fit on the roadster but I can't seem to find that content on the site> anymore.> > > > Here's what I have to work with:> > > > A set of Konig rewind 14x7 from a 240Z (-9mm offset I believe). - If I go> with these, what size tire would fit on the roadster? I think I have to go> to a 205 series go get out to the 7" rim width - any tire advice for these> wheels? I think people are running these based on some pics and info on> 311s but the site was not clear on offsets and tire sizes.> > > > A set of Appliance Mesh 14x6 wheels - again from a 240Z (offset???) - I am> leaning toward these wheels because I think they will fit better (although I> like the look of the rewinds better). I am liking a 195/60-14 or 185/60-14> for these.> > > > Any advice how to measure the offset? Being an EE, I was never very good> with the mechanical measurements except basic stuff like rulers or calipers> > > > Last choice is the stock steelies with the stock dog dish hub caps - I would> run the 175/70-14's on these.> > > > I apologize if this info is readily available on 311s and I am too lame to> find it - I just couldn't get enough details from the time I spent looking -> I figured you all would help me out.> > > > Thanks> > Joe> ________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as alvingogi at hotmail.com> > Datsun-roadsters mailing list> > http://www.team.net/archive> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From tputland at charter.net Sat Mar 15 15:58:18 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] need some "advice" --I think Message-ID: <20080315185818.QAZZ0.158597.root@fepweb10> some one please tell me--OFF LIST-- if you would be so kind... What is a good price for a used 1600 block with five main bearing set up. TIA Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net Sat Mar 15 19:41:19 2008 From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:41:19 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Advice on Wheels and Tire combos Message-ID: <380-22008301624119990@earthlink.net> Joe, try the following sources on tires, in order of applicability to answer your questions. www.311s.org/tech/wheels/wheelsfaq.html At the bottom of this site you will find a link to the next site kmhafer.datsun510.com/wheelchart.html www.rsracing.com/tech-wheel.html Last site is www.carbibles.com and check out the section on wheels and tires. These 4 sites will probably give you more info than you will ever need. Good luck, Dewey > [Original Message] > From: Joe Russo > To: > Date: 3/15/2008 1:23:44 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Advice on Wheels and Tire combos > > My 70 SRL project is progressing to the point where I need to find some > tires. Recent posts about tires have helped spur me into action - so thanks > for that. There's still about a foot of snow on the ground here in NY but > it's melting (slowly) so no big rush. > > > > I am liking the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS recommended by Gordon (based on > Tirerack survey info). I am running the Yoko's on my other roadster and > figured I would give the Bridgestones a try. > > > > I spent about an hour on 311s org and I couldn't find what I was looking for > - at least not in enough detail to give me confidence to spend a few hundred > on new tires. At one time I read on 311s.org that almost any Z-car wheel > would fit on the roadster but I can't seem to find that content on the site > anymore. > > > > Here's what I have to work with: > > > > A set of Konig rewind 14x7 from a 240Z (-9mm offset I believe). - If I go > with these, what size tire would fit on the roadster? I think I have to go > to a 205 series go get out to the 7" rim width - any tire advice for these > wheels? I think people are running these based on some pics and info on > 311s but the site was not clear on offsets and tire sizes. > > > > A set of Appliance Mesh 14x6 wheels - again from a 240Z (offset???) - I am > leaning toward these wheels because I think they will fit better (although I > like the look of the rewinds better). I am liking a 195/60-14 or 185/60-14 > for these. > > > > Any advice how to measure the offset? Being an EE, I was never very good > with the mechanical measurements except basic stuff like rulers or calipers > > > > Last choice is the stock steelies with the stock dog dish hub caps - I would > run the 175/70-14's on these. > > > > I apologize if this info is readily available on 311s and I am too lame to > find it - I just couldn't get enough details from the time I spent looking - > I figured you all would help me out. > > > > Thanks > > Joe > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as hahlbohmd at earthlink.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From solex675 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 15 20:09:34 2008 From: solex675 at hotmail.com (Andrew Murphy) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Winter Happenings Message-ID: Hey List, Back in June of 2007, our 1966 1600 developed some issues which eventually led to us taking the car off the road to get some much needed work done. We had purchased the car in Febrauary of 2007 and had enjoyed it very much until we took it down. Being from Southern California we can't pretend to know what winter is really like as people from the Midwest and Northeast have to deal with, but we did share at least theme of the car being off the road for the winter and it is now almost done and ready for Solvang. So we thought we might share a few pictures of the car "in progress". It really is turning out nicely and we are excited to finally have the car back. Once it is delivered we will post some before and after pics. we hope you enjoy them. Some of you may recognize the venue where the car is currently located. We ran into some of the San Diego roadster crowd there, and we are already talking about caravans to Solvang and such -so we know it must be getting close to Spring! So for those of you who have to deal with real winters we say that Spring is coming and then it is roadster time! We hope to see you on the road! Andrew Murphy Shari Crawley 1966 1600 http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01336.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01337.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01338.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01339.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01340.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01341.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01342.JPG _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com Sun Mar 16 06:53:00 2008 From: jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com (Joe Russo) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Thanks for all the great advice on Tires and Wheels Message-ID: <001d01c8876d$0c5bd8b0$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> Thanks to all that responded and put me back on the path of success with tires and wheels for my roadster project! I am all set! I'll let you know what shakes out when the journey is complete Joe :-) From matthews517 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 16 09:58:08 2008 From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:58:08 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal In-Reply-To: <47DAFF2C.8050907@cox.net> Message-ID: Gary, I have done this, though not on a roadster mirror. However, the mirror was attached similarly to the back tho. Boiling water is the key. Since water won't get "too" hot it won't discolor the casing. Because it's water, it won't harm the mirror surface like a chemical may. Have a hot pan holder ready, and have as many pieces of plastic as possible available to help "coax" it out of position (plastic putty knives, plastic silverware, etc. all of different thicknesses and strengths). Find out what works and go at it! I'm not saying it's the perfect solution. If you break the mirror, you break the mirror. S**t happens. It will not damage the casing and is WELL WORTH THE TRY! Matt -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Tew Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:42 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal Has anyone successfully removed the mirror glass from the mirror on a dash mounted rear view?. I had a couple of mirrors re chromed. I disassembled them first, breaking the mirrors in the process. Neither mirror was in salvageable condition so I wasn't concerned. I've since had difficulty finding automotive mirror material locally and had to use regular mirror glass in my restoration piece. I'm told the auto glass is not 100% reflective, letting some light pass through so the driver isn't blinded by headlights at night. Now I have a mirror in poor condition but with a good mirror glass that I'd like to salvage and put in my re chromed piece. I'd rather not destroy the mirror casing but will sacrifice it to get the mirror out intact. Sorry for the rambling ?? Thanks Gary Tew Peoria, AZ VG30 1600 You are subscribed as matthews517 at earthlink.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tputland at charter.net Sun Mar 16 11:03:36 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:03:36 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] need some "advice" --I think In-Reply-To: <20080315185818.QAZZ0.158597.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <20080316140336.PYGDR.503506.root@fepweb04> I guess I wasn't clear. I am looking to sell one not buy one. Still clueless Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- Tim wrote: ============= some one please tell me--OFF LIST-- if you would be so kind... What is a good price for a used 1600 block with five main bearing set up. TIA Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning You are subscribed as tputland at charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From davesmbox at aol.com Sun Mar 16 13:12:27 2008 From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:12:27 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] brakes OT Message-ID: <8CA55B930E3C826-7B4-A27@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> Anyone know if there is a way to order LOCKHEED brake parts by Lockheed part number. I have dug pretty deap with this. For another vintage car not a roadster. Thanks, Dave From aultgc at att.net Sun Mar 16 20:41:12 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:41:12 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] mirror removal References: Message-ID: <006801c887e0$bf0af6d0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Not to mention all the epithelial tissue in your respiratory system... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Cost" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] mirror removal > I'm not sure if the glass is mechanically attached or held in with > adhesive. > If adhesive you might try some methylene chloride. It is commonly sold as > gasket remover in aerosol. I'm not sure if it will damage the mirror but > it > will probably dissolve the adhesive. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+andycost=embarqmail.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+andycost=embarqmail.com at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Gregory S. Morrison > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:24 PM > To: Gary Tew; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] mirror removal > > > Les Cannaday at Classic Datsun Motorsports 760-940-6365 knows, or at least > knew, a guy that could pull the glass out of the gauges. I also picked up > an > outside mirror from Les that had been rechromed and had new glass. I don't > know about the other Roadster vendors, but they would probably know as > well. > > Have a Roadster weekend! > Greg > SRL31100494 > > > On 3/14/08 3:41 PM, "Gary Tew" wrote: > >> Has anyone successfully removed the mirror glass from the mirror on a >> dash mounted rear view?. I had a couple of mirrors re chromed. I >> disassembled them first, breaking the mirrors in the process. Neither >> mirror was in salvageable condition so I wasn't concerned. I've since >> had difficulty finding automotive mirror material locally and had to use >> regular mirror glass in my restoration piece. I'm told the auto glass >> is not 100% reflective, letting some light pass through so the driver >> isn't blinded by headlights at night. Now I have a mirror in poor >> condition but with a good mirror glass that I'd like to salvage and put >> in my re chromed piece. I'd rather not destroy the mirror casing but >> will sacrifice it to get the mirror out intact. Sorry for the rambling >> ?? Thanks >> >> Gary Tew >> Peoria, AZ >> VG30 1600 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tminerpcav at aol.com Mon Mar 17 06:16:54 2008 From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:16:54 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Winter Happenings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA56484D8417A8-C08-28E5@webmail-ne05.sysops.aol.com> Andrew, That car looks great!? I remember what it was before.? I love a stock look white roadster. Looks like Les is doing a FINE job. See you in Solvang. Tim Miner ---- Original Message ---- From: Andrew Murphy To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 8:09 pm Subject: [Roadsters] Winter Happenings Hey List, Back in June of 2007, our 1966 1600 developed some issues which eventually led to us taking the car off the road to get some much needed work done. We had purchased the car in Febrauary of 2007 and had enjoyed it very much until we took it down. Being from Southern California we can't pretend to know what winter is really like as people from the Midwest and Northeast have to deal with, but we did share at least theme of the car being off the road for the winter and it is now almost done and ready for Solvang. So we thought we might share a few pictures of the car "in progress". It really is turning out nicely and we are excited to finally have the car back. Once it is delivered we will post some before and after pics. we hope you enjoy them. Some of you may recognize the venue where the car is currently located. We ran into some of the San Diego roadster crowd there, and we are already talking about caravans to Solvang and such -so we know it must be getting close to Spring! So for those of you who have to deal with real winters we say that Spring is coming and then it is roadster time! We hope to see you on the road! Andrew Murphy Shari Crawley 1966 1600 http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01336.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01337.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01338.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01339.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01340.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01341.JPG http://home.netcom.com/~andr/DSC01342.JPG _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan You are subscribed as tminerpcav at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________________________________________ Need a free e-mail account? Get one now at Mail.AOL.ca From zubkoff at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 17 07:27:07 2008 From: zubkoff at sbcglobal.net (Dan Zubkoff) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Winter Happenings In-Reply-To: <8CA56484D8417A8-C08-28E5@webmail-ne05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <261746.70285.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, Andrew, the car is looking great. Classic Datsun has really sprinkled some nice magic on your roadster. Dan Zubkoff Houston, TX tminerpcav at aol.com wrote: Andrew, That car looks great!? I remember what it was before.? I love a stock look white roadster. Looks like Les is doing a FINE job. See you in Solvang. Tim Miner ---- Original Message ---- From: Andrew Murphy To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 8:09 pm Subject: [Roadsters] Winter Happenings Hey List, Back in June of 2007, our 1966 1600 developed some issues which eventually led to us taking the car off the road to get some much needed work done. ... Andrew Murphy Shari Crawley 1966 1600 From tomet9 at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 17 18:31:19 2008 From: tomet9 at sbcglobal.net (Tom PRATHER) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Cam option? Message-ID: <521164.35193.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello list, I am now about finished with my U20 to MC Mikuni flatslide conversion and now looking to upgrade the cam. With my A cam at present I hit the wall @ 6k. I have never had the chance to drive a B cam car. What am I to expect with a B cam if I go that route? Little sacrifice in the low end punch and perhaps rev a bit higher than 6k? Rallye puts it as just that,do you agree? I don't want to give up much on the low end as I have 4 big holes to overcome rather than 2 now but would like to wake it up a little on top end but not give up my midrange. Suggestions? Thanks, U20, Smoothbore 40mm Mikuni Flatslides From bmccarthy67 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 18 05:53:16 2008 From: bmccarthy67 at hotmail.com (John McCarthy) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:53:16 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] looking for 2000 starter & SEROC News! Message-ID: Brad, I'm sorry to say I will miss the Mitty yet again (this 15 month Iraq deployment stuff has cost me two years straight). I still have my Banner (door prize) from the 2004 Mitty...it hangs in a place of honor in the garage. Come hell or high water I will see everyone next get together. Buddy> From: bradandgayle at charter.net> To: ;> Subject: Fw: looking for 2000 starter & SEROC News!> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:29:36 -0500> > Dear SEROCers> > Greg Hare is in need of a starter for his 2000. Can anyone help him out?> Please contact Greg at his email address below.> > News very soon on the web site. Tom has the site up and we're updating it.> We'll release the url very soon!> > GrassRoots Motorsports wants to know how many of you are going to the> Mitty?????????????????/> 'I am working with the Georgia Z clubs sponsor to secure that space for the> Datsun\Nissan family. I need to know how many tickets will your group need.> We are working with the sponsor to buy a large number of tickets and we will> include a large tent for hospitality.' Miguel Caparros GRM> > The space he is referring to is the area we have had the last few years and> the parking lot just north of that.> > If you haven't made hotel reservations, do it very soon.............. like> last month! Places are filling up or are full.> > Enjoy the Ride!> > Brad> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Greg Hare [mailto:ghare at bellsouth.net]> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:13 PM> To: 'Brad Holmes'> Subject: looking for 2000 starter> > Brad> > Does anyone need to sell one before I buy from one of the usual suspects?> > Thanks,> > Greg> > > _________________________________________________________________ Do more with your photos with Windows Live Photo Gallery. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_photos_022008 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] From Keith0alan at aol.com Tue Mar 18 07:19:01 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:19:01 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] looking for 2000 starter & SEROC News! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2008 5:54:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bmccarthy67 at hotmail.com writes: GrassRoots Motorsports wants to know how many of you are going to the> Mitty?????????????????/> 'I am working with the Georgia Z clubs sponsor to secure that space for the> Datsun\Nissan family. I need to know how many tickets will your group need.> We are working with the sponsor to buy a large number of tickets and we will> include a large tent for hospitality.' Miguel Caparros GRM> > The space he is referring to is the area we have had the last few years and> the parking lot just north of that.> > If you haven't made hotel reservations, do it very soon.............. like> last month! Places are filling up or are full.> > Enjoy the Ride!> > Brad> > > I haven't received the original posting but I am planning to be there. Got my tickets, hotel room and airline tickets. Will get rental car soon. keith "the slow carb guy" williams **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From jover4x4 at aol.com Tue Mar 18 07:28:56 2008 From: jover4x4 at aol.com (jover4x4 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:28:56 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Cam option? In-Reply-To: <521164.35193.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <521164.35193.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA571B87FE452E-17A4-54C8@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> Tom, With 44 Mikunis and a B cam I noticed a bit less power and torque at the low end but the car was certainly drivable on the low end even at 5280 ft elevation.? A 3.90 rear helped the low end drivability.? It really took off at 3000 rpm and?pulled hard?to 7000.? I?ran 34mm chokes instead of the stock 37mm since I am at high altitude. I think you will be very happy with a B cam.? I know some guys at sea level have run more lift and duration than the B cam but I don't find that necessary for a street car. Good luck.....You will have fun. ? John Over WYCROC 68 2000 /SR20DET almost ready to go 67 2000 to be restored 71 240z -----Original Message----- From: Tom PRATHER To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 7:31 pm Subject: [Roadsters] Cam option? Hello list, I am now about finished with my U20 to MC Mikuni flatslide conversion and now looking to upgrade the cam. With my A cam at present I hit the wall @ 6k. I have never had the chance to drive a B cam car. What am I to expect with a B cam if I go that route? Little sacrifice in the low end punch and perhaps rev a bit higher than 6k? Rallye puts it as just that,do you agree? I don't want to give up much on the low end as I have 4 big holes to overcome rather than 2 now but would like to wake it up a little on top end but not give up my midrange. Suggestions? Thanks, U20, Smoothbore 40mm Mikuni Flatslides You are subscribed as jover4x4 at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From Keith0alan at aol.com Tue Mar 18 10:19:48 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:19:48 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Early 1600 carbs available. Message-ID: Hello all, I've just finished up a set of early 1600 carbs and manifold. I thought that someone was waiting for them but I can't seem to find the email from the person. If you've been waiting for a set and haven't heard from me please drop me a note. I've got more that will be done soon. If anyone else is interested in a set please let me know. keith "the slow carb guy" williams **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From bradandgayle at charter.net Tue Mar 18 11:43:26 2008 From: bradandgayle at charter.net (Brad and Gayle Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] SEROC list update! References: <1E759CC841AC17458B147BEA999D468A0134B74AEC@exchangedb.aum.edu> Message-ID: <002201c88927$f95b9e00$9b02a8c0@holmes> Dear SEROCers and the Roadster net I recently relocated the club email list to my home computer and have sent a couple emails to the club from there. Each time I get a number of bounces. The list below are the folks that have bounced off the radar screen. If you have a good email address for these folks would you please email it to me or ask that/those members to email me at my home address so I can update our records. Also, If you've bought another car, sold a car, or would like to be dropped from the records or the mail list, whatever..... please let me know so I can update our records:-) Alex Avery, VA Eric Roe, FL Brian Reynolds, CAN Eric Hoffman, GA Doug Noble, VA Rex Kiger, GA Regie Orr, SC Ben Herman, VA Arthur Maybee, AL David Moore, FL Liz & Jim Hope, GA Ben Zech, NC John Landenberger, ? Mike Magnesi, GA Rich McDonald, FL Clifton Dixon, TN Dewayne Scott, GA Steve Waddelow, SC Shelly Vaughn, DE Lee Jackson, GA Dwight Woodruff, FL Kevin Clingenpeel, NC Don Bisson, FL Thanks and Enjoy the Ride! Brad, Pres. SEROC From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 18 19:48:43 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:48:43 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: 510's at Watkins Glen Message-ID: <001a01c8896b$bf8af4c0$6501a8c0@xp> >From the Bluebirds list. Pretty cool short video. Pete -----Original Message----- From: bluebirds-request at bluebirds.datsun510.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:36 AM To: BB List Subject: RE: 510's at Watkins Glen Here is a short video I found by chance. It was shot at Watkins Glen International at the SCCA Glen National in July 2007. A few inaccuracies about the event, but still a cool 3 minute piece on SCCA racing at the Glen. 510's in order of appearance. #21 - Drew Young (owner, Dave Patten) #60 - Bobby Lentz Jr. #63 - Brian Downey #62 - Greg Plush One more note; the #82 red/white/blue GT1 Corvette is Paul Newman, still driving at 82 years old. Dave Patten Dunbarton, NH From egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us Wed Mar 19 10:32:23 2008 From: egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us (Eric Gillis) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:32:23 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Cycle Transport to Canada References: <001a01c8896b$bf8af4c0$6501a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <65AA4A74232FF24E9BEC8D1163859B180445233B@cusdmx01.cusd.ceres.k12.ca.us> Thanks for the look, sorry no roadster content. However, if I can get this bike sold, I will have enough moolah to get the r16 ready for solvang and shasta. Does anyone know about the ins and outs of selling a motorcycle to a person in BC, Canada? I would like to have the bike on a transport carrier, but I am not sure about paperwork and wether the customs thing will be too much of a hassle. I am not above 'working' something out, nudge nudge, wink, wink, but I cannot bring the bike to the border. Any thoughts and thanks for the OT time. Back to your regularly scheduled roadster chat. Eric Gillis Modesto, CA From d-solomon at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 10:49:57 2008 From: d-solomon at comcast.net (d-solomon at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:49:57 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Cycle Transport to Canada Message-ID: <031920081749.1684.47E1524500073AEC0000069422073007930201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> I Have bought and sold many motorcycles over the years, including some to and from europe, and once from Canada. I recommend contacting www.forwardair.com they will be your best friend in this little venture. good luck. Dan -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Eric Gillis" > Thanks for the look, sorry no roadster content. However, if I can get this > bike sold, I will have enough moolah to get the r16 ready for solvang and > shasta. > > Does anyone know about the ins and outs of selling a motorcycle to a person in > BC, Canada? I would like to have the bike on a transport carrier, but I am > not sure about paperwork and wether the customs thing will be too much of a > hassle. I am not above 'working' something out, nudge nudge, wink, wink, but > I cannot bring the bike to the border. Any thoughts and thanks for the OT > time. Back to your regularly scheduled roadster chat. > > Eric Gillis > Modesto, CA > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as d-solomon at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tom at datsun2000.com Wed Mar 19 11:02:20 2008 From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Cycle Transport to Canada In-Reply-To: <65AA4A74232FF24E9BEC8D1163859B180445233B@cusdmx01.cusd.ceres.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: Eric, Recently I was looking to purchase a 300ZX, until I found my SC400 that is. Along the way I found a 300ZX for sale on eBay. It was a right-hand drive car and located in Canada. After trying to find the information you are looking for I called US Customs and they were very informative about what I could expect if I purchased the car and wanted to import it into the US. I really wanted the RHD, but not the rest of the problems I would be facing if I purchased the car. I would suggest calling Canadian Customs and talking to them about what you have, and what you would like to do. They will steer you down the right path and things will go very easy, or not at all, depending upon their answers to your questions. Their contact information should be available on the web by searching for Canadian Customs. Tom 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Eric Gillis Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:32 AM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] OT: Cycle Transport to Canada Thanks for the look, sorry no roadster content. However, if I can get this bike sold, I will have enough moolah to get the r16 ready for solvang and shasta. Does anyone know about the ins and outs of selling a motorcycle to a person in BC, Canada? I would like to have the bike on a transport carrier, but I am not sure about paperwork and wether the customs thing will be too much of a hassle. I am not above 'working' something out, nudge nudge, wink, wink, but I cannot bring the bike to the border. Any thoughts and thanks for the OT time. Back to your regularly scheduled roadster chat. Eric Gillis Modesto, CA From hallosb at juno.com Wed Mar 19 12:31:24 2008 From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:31:24 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Spin Up / Death of points forever?? Message-ID: <20080319.123124.7681.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> My engine has had a long slumber. I marked and then pulled the distributor to spin up the oil pump as suggested on the 311s.org site. I built up pressure and had oil coming out of the tube which lubricates the distributor gears but, I didn't see anything come out of the valve train. Is this normal? Do I need to plug up the tube that oils the distributor to build up pressure in the valve train? I also tried to buy a new set of points. I plan to go to an electronic ignition later but, right now I just want to fire up the engine and see how it runs. The Carquest guy couldn't find a part number in his book. (This guy is no idiot, either. He's been selling parts for many years.) I said, "That's funny I found a part number at the NAPA web site." So, I went to NAPA. NAPA guy finds a part number, says he would have to order, and then the bad news. NAPA guy says that part number is no longer in production. So..... Maybe my local guys don't know the magic decoder ring to find the part number. ...or... These things are really going out of production. If that's the case, anyone wanting to stay with points may want to buy up a couple extra sets. In the meantime, I cleaned up my distributor and points. Since I didn't buy new points, I didn't get the nifty little packet of grease for the distributor cam. Would dielectric grease work as a substitute? TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 _____________________________________________________________ Click for travel nursing jobs and see the world. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpQHyEnTheNrLAcf3OA5wMwzdjGO agHrYTssK6G6s84Rjk9jo/ From Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov Wed Mar 19 13:36:29 2008 From: Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov (Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED03)) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Heading South Message-ID: <85597404D578FB4D8EB4E40AFBECDF7675642B@NDMSEVS33B.ndc.nasa.gov> Hey all - I will be heading to the Cape next week. I will have Monday and Thursday afternoons off. Let me know if you would like to meet up and talk Roadsters. Sid - you going to be around. Have rental car - will drive..... Phil Hall NASA/MSFC/ED03 Systems Engineering work : 256-544-2525 cell: 256-698-4388 (new) From dgstoll at verizon.net Wed Mar 19 15:35:54 2008 From: dgstoll at verizon.net (Dave Stoll) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:35:54 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Spin Up / Death of points forever?? References: <20080319.123124.7681.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001f01c88a11$9835f810$2e01a8c0@default> try a nissan dealer or nissan forklift dealer for points... daveS ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Spin Up / Death of points forever?? > My engine has had a long slumber. I marked and then pulled the distributor > to > spin up the oil pump as suggested on the 311s.org site. I built up > pressure > and had oil coming out of the tube which lubricates the distributor gears > but, > I didn't see anything come out of the valve train. Is this normal? Do I > need > to plug up the tube that oils the distributor to build up pressure in the > valve train? > I also tried to buy a new set of points. I plan to go to an electronic > ignition later but, right now I just want to fire up the engine and see > how it > runs. The Carquest guy couldn't find a part number in his book. (This guy > is > no idiot, either. He's been selling parts for many years.) I said, > "That's > funny I found a part number at the NAPA web site." So, I went to NAPA. > NAPA > guy finds a part number, says he would have to order, and then the bad > news. > NAPA guy says that part number is no longer in production. So..... Maybe > my > local guys don't know the magic decoder ring to find the part number. > ...or... > These things are really going out of production. If that's the case, > anyone > wanting to stay with points may want to buy up a couple extra sets. > In the meantime, I cleaned up my distributor and points. Since I didn't > buy > new points, I didn't get the nifty little packet of grease for the > distributor > cam. Would dielectric grease work as a substitute? > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click for travel nursing jobs and see the world. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpQHyEnTheNrLAcf3OA5wMwzdjGO > agHrYTssK6G6s84Rjk9jo/ > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dgstoll at verizon.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From jake7140 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 16:03:21 2008 From: jake7140 at yahoo.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 Block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <861316.68767.qm@web37914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for coming through with a block Tim, and the shipping $ was right. ;-) You'll have to make your way to Blackhawk or RA (or both!) to see it in action. No firm dates yet, but for sure nmot too early, probably more towards mid-late summer & fall. Steve Steve's Racing web site www.NoNameRacing.com Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society home www.elrss.com From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 17:49:21 2008 From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:49:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Message-ID: <18878147.1205974162360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi all, I am planning to put a 4 speed tranny behind my 2000 engine for improved gearing for autocross. I have read you must use the correct bell housing front cover, for the tranny you are using, if you swap trannies on the 1600 or 2000 engine. Does anyone have the thickness measurements of the different front covers for the 4 speed and 5 speed trannies? I recall reading something about different thickness front covers cause increased stresses on the throwout or transmission bearings. Does anyone know the specifics about that, or any other reasons for being careful with the front covers? TIA, Dewey Hahlbohm From aultgc at att.net Wed Mar 19 21:37:05 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:37:05 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question References: <18878147.1205974162360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001401c88a44$0d13cdb0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Dewey, I don't know what the rest of the list will say, but I have a '66 1600 with at '69 U20. The 1600 and 2000 share a common block casting. The 4-speed bolted right up to the U20. I am not aware of any special measures which should be taken to fit a 4-speed to a U20, or a 5-speed to a 1600. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewey Hahlbohm" To: "Datsun List" Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > Hi all, I am planning to put a 4 speed tranny behind my 2000 engine for > improved gearing for autocross. I have read you must use the correct bell > housing front cover, for the tranny you are using, if you swap trannies on > the 1600 or 2000 engine. Does anyone have the thickness measurements of > the different front covers for the 4 speed and 5 speed trannies? > > I recall reading something about different thickness front covers cause > increased stresses on the throwout or transmission bearings. Does anyone > know the specifics about that, or any other reasons for being careful with > the front covers? > > TIA, Dewey Hahlbohm > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 23:22:31 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:22:31 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question In-Reply-To: <001401c88a44$0d13cdb0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <002801c88a52$c7e8c010$6501a8c0@xp> Dewey, you read right. It's the backing plates that are different thicknesses: 5 speed: 0.18 in 4 speed: 0.8 - 0.9 Check out these links for more discussion: Cheers. Pete "your friendly Search the Archives Elf" -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary and Cindy Ault Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:37 PM To: Dewey Hahlbohm; Datsun List Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Dewey, I don't know what the rest of the list will say, but I have a '66 1600 with at '69 U20. The 1600 and 2000 share a common block casting. The 4-speed bolted right up to the U20. I am not aware of any special measures which should be taken to fit a 4-speed to a U20, or a 5-speed to a 1600. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewey Hahlbohm" To: "Datsun List" Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > Hi all, I am planning to put a 4 speed tranny behind my 2000 engine for > improved gearing for autocross. I have read you must use the correct bell > housing front cover, for the tranny you are using, if you swap trannies on > the 1600 or 2000 engine. Does anyone have the thickness measurements of > the different front covers for the 4 speed and 5 speed trannies? > > I recall reading something about different thickness front covers cause > increased stresses on the throwout or transmission bearings. Does anyone > know the specifics about that, or any other reasons for being careful with > the front covers? > > TIA, Dewey Hahlbohm > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Thu Mar 20 00:21:48 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:21:48 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question In-Reply-To: <18878147.1205974162360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18878147.1205974162360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dewey Having done the reverse, ie 4 speed to 5 speed - i do KNOW that the 1600 backing plate won't work on a 5 speed, and I ASSUME therefore that the 2000 won't work on a 1600. Note also other possible changes, rear transmission mount, drive shaft, throwout bearing arm, location of gear shift lever in the tunnel, different throwout bearing arm gasket, speedo cable connection and possible change in the nylon drive ratio that drives the speedometer. You will probably want to change the tranmission front seal, the clutch plate and pressure plate ( 2000 will work for the latter two) and the throwout bearing itself - since you are there and it is such a pain to r&r the engine. From 9laser3 at bright.net Thu Mar 20 03:32:37 2008 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:32:37 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question In-Reply-To: <18878147.1205974162360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18878147.1205974162360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00c201c88a75$b89c5900$29d50b00$@net> Dewey, Yes, the 1600 and 2000 have different thickness plates between the tranny and block. And yes, the clutch won't work right if you use the wrong plate (And yes, at Sloan Racing we have had to pull motors back out of the race roadsters because we grabbed the wrong plate!). But I can't remember which one is thicker? If the 4 speed is still a bit high in first, remember you can switch to a 3.90 ring and pinion from a 1600. Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dewey Hahlbohm Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:49 PM To: Datsun List Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Hi all, I am planning to put a 4 speed tranny behind my 2000 engine for improved gearing for autocross. I have read you must use the correct bell housing front cover, for the tranny you are using, if you swap trannies on the 1600 or 2000 engine. Does anyone have the thickness measurements of the different front covers for the 4 speed and 5 speed trannies? I recall reading something about different thickness front covers cause increased stresses on the throwout or transmission bearings. Does anyone know the specifics about that, or any other reasons for being careful with the front covers? TIA, Dewey Hahlbohm You are subscribed as 9laser3 at bright.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 11:03:14 2008 From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] last message Message-ID: <163976.79987.qm@web53509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry, for the misdirected response Dave. I meant to respond to Dan's original post. Maybe I should just stay in the shadows. Patti --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 12:30:28 2008 From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] HELP! Message-ID: <905814.31231.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi everyone. i have been planning on getting back to the track in my roadster for the three years since last i went. i've registered to run tomorrow and saturday at california speedways' roval. i really thought this was the time. and i really thought i had the electrical gremlins licked when i determined i had wired the tailights 180 degrees out of whack. they worked fine yesterday. a couple days before, i installed an electric fan. i wired the hot on the fan to the fog light wire, and the ground directly to the fender. worked fine. i've never had fog lamps, but i did for sometime have that wire to power an electric fuel pump. today, no fan and no lights. removed the fuse cover, and the second fuse from the bottom was blown. no problem, just replace the fuse. but still no lights and still no fan! i figure that, i can get away with no fan, if i closely monitor the temperature. but no lights means no brake lights, and no brake lights means i won't pass tech. is there anyone in the LA area that could help me chase this down? i really have no idea even where to start. i would be happy to buy dinner and beverages and anything else that makes you happy. steve 675MIZU From garytew at cox.net Thu Mar 20 13:08:20 2008 From: garytew at cox.net (garytew at cox.net) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] parts car Message-ID: <20080320160820.6IVKR.73728.imail@fed1rmwml15> Folks, I have a parts car I'm ready to "part" with, ha ha. I was told it is a '66 1500. The engine block has "1500" stamped on it. The guy I got it from was planning on restoring it but it is in very poor condition. The engine was supposedly running before he parked it for good. I'm willing to cut up body parts as needed. There is no hood, both front fenders have the typical rusted out areas, the doors are usable, none of interior exists, the tires are rotted but the wheels are Western, 13" whatevers and may be salvageable. There is significant frame rust and deterioration. The trunk lid has the external hinges. I'll try to take some pics and put on my website. Whatever is left will go to the scrap yard. Email me off list with any queries. Gary Tew Peoria, AZ vg30 1600 From gsm at gregorysmorrison.com Thu Mar 20 13:18:51 2008 From: gsm at gregorysmorrison.com (Gregory S. Morrison) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:18:51 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? Message-ID: I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. Just curious. Greg SRL31100494 From James at jdfogg.com Thu Mar 20 13:22:31 2008 From: James at jdfogg.com (James Fogg) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:22:31 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? Message-ID: <4EE5D8CA323707439EF291AC9244BD9A2573E9@sbs.jdfogg.com> > I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things > being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been > in > my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are > some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go > with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. > > Just curious. I greatly prefer the pre-1968 models, and I'm not alone in that. If I want a 2000 I have a 6 month period in which they were made, and parts are incredibly rare for certain items (find a 67.5 headrest, if you can). I find the low windshield lines far more attractive, and I love the flat metal dashboard. The "look" of the pre-1968's combined with the higher displacement engine is what makes the 67.5 so hotly coveted. From Keith0alan at aol.com Thu Mar 20 13:30:00 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:30:00 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/2008 1:19:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gsm at gregorysmorrison.com writes: I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. Just curious. Greg SRL31100494 Why would anyone dump a ton of money into restoring either one? The early 1600 has the flat dash that lots of folks like better. The 1600 engine is less expensive to rebuild and is a more durable engine. I have speeding tickets to prove the 1600 is plenty fast enough. Since any roadster restoration is a "nice to have" it is simply a matter of what that individual wants to do. They are different but I wouldn't say either one is better across the board. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From matt at vander-bend.com Thu Mar 20 13:57:30 2008 From: matt at vander-bend.com (Matt Jacquet) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:57:30 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OMG you're are so right!! I didn't realize it till this fantastic posting.. 1600? what was I thinking? Further more what about those hideous 1500, who in there right mind would be caught dead, backing up the slow lane of course, in one of those? Single carb, drum brakes Huh! Off to the crusher with all of them!! Give me Solex and a 5 speed or give me death!!! Just kidding (kind of) Matt Jacquet 68 SPL311-18900 -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matt=vander-bend.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matt=vander-bend.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gregory S. Morrison Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:19 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. Just curious. Greg SRL31100494 You are subscribed as matt at vander-bend.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 14:13:21 2008 From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] test Message-ID: <27690.77060.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> pppptttthhh....tap, tap tap.....testing 1, 2, 3 ...Is this thing on? Seems my apology was the only message that went out. big sigh --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From d-solomon at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 14:19:45 2008 From: d-solomon at comcast.net (d-solomon at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:19:45 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] last message Message-ID: <032020082119.20711.47E2D4F10005DCBC000050E722073007930201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> ??? what'd i miss? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Patti Dwinell > Sorry, for the misdirected response Dave. I meant to respond to Dan's original > post. Maybe I should just stay in the shadows. > > Patti > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as d-solomon at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tputland at charter.net Thu Mar 20 15:24:16 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:24:16 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? OR BOTH MAYBE?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080320182416.5JZ2G.135429.root@fepweb08> Wellllllllllll......I have both so there you go. I would love to have a short windshield with either engine, but that is not an option as I am too tall to drive them. But I must say, my 1600 is getting a five speed tranny eventually. It just begs for one more gear, even more so since I started running a GB dizzy. And one of the two runners might end up with a flat dash as I love that look as well. PEACE :-) Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- "Gregory S. Morrison" wrote: ============= I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. Just curious. Greg SRL31100494 You are subscribed as tputland at charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tputland at charter.net Thu Mar 20 15:24:26 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:24:26 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? OR BOTH MAYBE?? Message-ID: <20080320182426.520MB.135433.root@fepweb08> Wellllllllllll......I have both so there you go. I would love to have a short windshield with either engine, but that is not an option as I am too tall to drive them. But I must say, my 1600 is getting a five speed tranny eventually. It just begs for one more gear, even more so since I started running a GB dizzy. And one of the two runners might end up with a flat dash as I love that look as well. PEACE :-) Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- "Gregory S. Morrison" wrote: ============= I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. Just curious. Greg SRL31100494 ________________________________________ From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Thu Mar 20 15:25:04 2008 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:25:04 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? Message-ID: Hey kiddies - apparently you are a novice when it comes to the entire series of roadsters. My best example is a gymkhana back in 1972, when I ran my dad's '70 240 Z in E production, my friend's '68 2000 in D production and my '64 1500 in E Production. Best time in all three went to the 1500 by a good two seconds. The 1500 has better bottom end torque and gets off the line and through the course faster. Yes the 240 and 2000 has higher top end, but ask the guys in WYCROC about the little red single carb 1500 out on rides as the car passes up the 1600's with ease. Also, I wouldn't turn my 17 year old loose with a 2000, so he is driving the 1600, and loving it. If the 2000 was so great, why was there only 15,000 compared to 20,000 1600 sold originally? Give me a good running 1500 and some good gymkhana courses and I'll blow your doors off. Or better yet, just give me a good running roadster compared to the other junk on the road anyday. ENJOY THE ROADSTER RIDE. Gary Lasater - Parker CO founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) 1963 SPL310-00161C (Single Carb) 1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb) 1964 SPL310-01289 1969 SRL311-12536 (licensed as '70) 1970 SPL311-28169 In a message dated 3/20/2008 2:54:46 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, matt at vander-bend.com writes: OMG you're are so right!! I didn't realize it till this fantastic posting.. 1600? what was I thinking? Further more what about those hideous 1500, who in there right mind would be caught dead, backing up the slow lane of course, in one of those? Single carb, drum brakes Huh! Off to the crusher with all of them!! Give me Solex and a 5 speed or give me death!!! Just kidding (kind of) Matt Jacquet 68 SPL311-18900 -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matt=vander-bend.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matt=vander-bend.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gregory S. Morrison Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:19 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. Just curious. Greg SRL31100494 You are subscribed as matt at vander-bend.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as barterdude at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From tputland at charter.net Thu Mar 20 15:30:25 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:30:25 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Spring time drive--a must read (in my opion) Message-ID: <20080320183025.ZV5UQ.135591.root@fepweb08> Ok, first day of spring and I have any where from one to three feet of snow in my yard still, and even more in the front by the sidewalk and road. Temp is a lovely 42 degrees, the sun is shining and the roads have no snow or ice on them. As I was leaving work someone went by with their top down and the music up. This last was the kicker. I had to fire up one of the Roadsters. So, with the top down and shorts on (well, I wear shorts year round) I went for a drive. I did something around 20 miles and it was great. Now tomorrow, we are supposed to get 8 to 10 inches of snow. It was fun while it lasted this afternoon. PEACE :-) Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 15:31:17 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:31:17 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? Message-ID: <032020082231.13707.47E2E5B5000BD60D0000358B2200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Ditto. Pete "Flat Dashes Forever" -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "James Fogg" > > I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All > things > > being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's > been > > in > > my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why > are > > some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why > not go > > with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. > > > > Just curious. > > > I greatly prefer the pre-1968 models, and I'm not alone in that. If I > want a 2000 I have a 6 month period in which they were made, and parts > are incredibly rare for certain items (find a 67.5 headrest, if you > can). > > I find the low windshield lines far more attractive, and I love the flat > metal dashboard. The "look" of the pre-1968's combined with the higher > displacement engine is what makes the 67.5 so hotly coveted. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 15:33:54 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:33:54 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? Message-ID: <032020082233.11046.47E2E65200077CF100002B262200734830CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> ROFLMAO!!!! We know you're kidding, Matt. At least regarding the silver cars. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Matt Jacquet" > OMG you're are so right!! I didn't realize it till this fantastic posting.. > 1600? what was I thinking? Further more what about those hideous 1500, who > in there right mind would be caught dead, backing up the slow lane of > course, in one of those? Single carb, drum brakes Huh! Off to the crusher > with all of them!! > > Give me Solex and a 5 speed or give me death!!! > > Just kidding (kind of) > Matt Jacquet > 68 SPL311-18900 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matt=vander-bend.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matt=vander-bend.com at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Gregory S. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:19 PM > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? > > > I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things > being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in > my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are > some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go > with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. > > Just curious. > > Greg > SRL31100494 > You are subscribed as matt at vander-bend.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From daveandlindab at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 11:35:16 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:35:16 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question In-Reply-To: <18878147.1205974162360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003d01c88ab9$24a030c0$6600a8c0@delled48909442> Everyone pretty much covered the plate, need the thin one. Don't forget to get the cheap Chevy trans mount, ~$25.00, 10 minutes of work, will never break. http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.ChevyTrannyMount Good thing, you can sell off the 5 speed as a kit, make big $$ I have an extra 4 speed crossmember and driveshaft I was going to put on Ebay. If you need, just email. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Dewey Hahlbohm [mailto:hahlbohmd at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:49 PM To: Datsun List Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Hi all, I am planning to put a 4 speed tranny behind my 2000 engine for improved gearing for autocross. I have read you must use the correct bell housing front cover, for the tranny you are using, if you swap trannies on the 1600 or 2000 engine. Does anyone have the thickness measurements of the different front covers for the 4 speed and 5 speed trannies? I recall reading something about different thickness front covers cause increased stresses on the throwout or transmission bearings. Does anyone know the specifics about that, or any other reasons for being careful with the front covers? TIA, Dewey Hahlbohm From sales at foilgraphics.com Thu Mar 20 15:56:14 2008 From: sales at foilgraphics.com (Guy) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:56:14 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question References: <003d01c88ab9$24a030c0$6600a8c0@delled48909442> Message-ID: <011301c88add$99581030$6e01a8c0@sales2006> Dave, Thank you for the suggestion on the transmission mount. Great suggestion. I will use it. Guy 67.5 Chandler, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: "'Dewey Hahlbohm'" ; "'Datsun List'" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > Everyone pretty much covered the plate, need the thin one. Don't forget > to get the cheap Chevy trans mount, ~$25.00, 10 minutes of work, will > never break. > http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.ChevyTrannyMount > > Good thing, you can sell off the 5 speed as a kit, make big $$ > > I have an extra 4 speed crossmember and driveshaft I was going to put on > Ebay. If you need, just email. > > > Dave Brisco > ECR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dewey Hahlbohm [mailto:hahlbohmd at earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:49 PM > To: Datsun List > Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > > Hi all, I am planning to put a 4 speed tranny behind my 2000 engine for > improved gearing for autocross. I have read you must use the correct > bell housing front cover, for the tranny you are using, if you swap > trannies on the 1600 or 2000 engine. Does anyone have the thickness > measurements of the different front covers for the 4 speed and 5 speed > trannies? > > I recall reading something about different thickness front covers cause > increased stresses on the throwout or transmission bearings. Does > anyone know the specifics about that, or any other reasons for being > careful with the front covers? > > TIA, Dewey Hahlbohm > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sales at foilgraphics.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From andycost at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 20 16:20:24 2008 From: andycost at embarqmail.com (andycost at embarqmail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question In-Reply-To: <011301c88add$99581030$6e01a8c0@sales2006> Message-ID: <12411816.150761206055224122.JavaMail.root@md01.embarq.synacor.com> I was thinking that they were fairly close in thickness. One was like 1/8" and the other like 1/4". Does anyone have the actual specifications for the thickness of each plate? Someone said .8" but that seems way too thick. That would be 100 pounds of steel. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy" To: "dave" , "Dewey Hahlbohm" , "Datsun List" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:56:14 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Dave, Thank you for the suggestion on the transmission mount. Great suggestion. I will use it. Guy 67.5 Chandler, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: "'Dewey Hahlbohm'" ; "'Datsun List'" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > Everyone pretty much covered the plate, need the thin one. Don't forget > to get the cheap Chevy trans mount, ~$25.00, 10 minutes of work, will > never break. > http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.ChevyTrannyMount > > Good thing, you can sell off the 5 speed as a kit, make big $$ > > I have an extra 4 speed crossmember and driveshaft I was going to put on > Ebay. If you need, just email. From dgstoll at verizon.net Thu Mar 20 17:30:05 2008 From: dgstoll at verizon.net (Dave Stoll) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:30:05 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? References: Message-ID: <001f01c88aea$b671f0c0$2e01a8c0@default> 1. because my 1600 has slim chance of a death rattle coming from the timing chain.... 2. once the tires start squealing in a corner the engine size doesn't matter.... daveS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory S. Morrison" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? > I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things > being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been > in > my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are > some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go > with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. From geegc at aol.com Thu Mar 20 17:33:56 2008 From: geegc at aol.com (geegc at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:33:56 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? In-Reply-To: <001f01c88aea$b671f0c0$2e01a8c0@default> References: <001f01c88aea$b671f0c0$2e01a8c0@default> Message-ID: <8CA59026153389B-D0C-1306@webmailbeta-m03.sysops.aol.com> And I think we will be able to get parts for the 1600 engine long after 2000 parts are a fond memory (coming from someone who owns one of each) Gary C? red 1600, black 2000 From dato1500 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 20 17:55:24 2008 From: dato1500 at hotmail.com (Peter Jones) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:55:24 +0800 Subject: [Roadsters] Parts needed Message-ID: Hello all, I am chasing a set of windscreen demister air horns that connect the airhorn rubber thing to the dash on the 2000 high screen. It's those funny shaped black cones. Also I am chasing a centre console for the car as well, just needs to be usable. The challanging part is that I live in Australia and I am happy to pay via paypal for the parts plus your time on posting and packing. If you do have the parts please contact me off list and we can talk turkey. Regards Peter j 68 fitted with a CA18DET _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 20 18:24:33 2008 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:24:33 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E30E51.10603@sbcglobal.net> One word - hell, one LETTER... - Z Gary McCormick San Jose, CA BARTERDUDE at aol.com wrote: >"If the 2000 was so great, why was there only 15,000 >compared to 20,000 1600 sold originally?" From bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com Thu Mar 20 18:26:46 2008 From: bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com (Brian Hollands) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:26:46 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? Now OT In-Reply-To: <001f01c88aea$b671f0c0$2e01a8c0@default> Message-ID: <20080321012642.YWL25381.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@IBM140A0C7C90B> ----- Original Message ----- 2. once the tires start squealing in a corner the engine size doesn't matter.... Reminds me of my favorite Mark Donohue Quote... "I'll have enough power when I can leave two black streaks from the exit of this corner to the entrance of that one" His response to a question about the adequacy of the roughly 1500HP 917/30. Brian Hollands '69 2000 Tampa FL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 20 18:29:37 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:29:37 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? References: <032020082231.13707.47E2E5B5000BD60D0000358B2200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003d01c88af3$414d7360$800101df@garage.local> because i have one guess i didn't know better From jhatt at inreach.com Thu Mar 20 19:39:00 2008 From: jhatt at inreach.com (paul hatter) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:39:00 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 2000 vs. 1600 Message-ID: <007801c88afc$b9653af0$548d9643@paul5345n942ga> 1600's were made for a longer period of time,thus,more 1600's. Paul From aultgc at att.net Thu Mar 20 19:52:13 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Spin Up / Death of points forever?? References: <20080319.123124.7681.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002f01c88afe$90eee240$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Blue Streak Lubripoints Model JP-6X, manufactured by Standard Motor Products, appear to still be available. These are vented points of very high quality, for my money. The accompanying condenser is JC-34X. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Oil Pump Spin Up / Death of points forever?? > My engine has had a long slumber. I marked and then pulled the distributor > to > spin up the oil pump as suggested on the 311s.org site. I built up > pressure > and had oil coming out of the tube which lubricates the distributor gears > but, > I didn't see anything come out of the valve train. Is this normal? Do I > need > to plug up the tube that oils the distributor to build up pressure in the > valve train? > I also tried to buy a new set of points. I plan to go to an electronic > ignition later but, right now I just want to fire up the engine and see > how it > runs. The Carquest guy couldn't find a part number in his book. (This guy > is > no idiot, either. He's been selling parts for many years.) I said, > "That's > funny I found a part number at the NAPA web site." So, I went to NAPA. > NAPA > guy finds a part number, says he would have to order, and then the bad > news. > NAPA guy says that part number is no longer in production. So..... Maybe > my > local guys don't know the magic decoder ring to find the part number. > ...or... > These things are really going out of production. If that's the case, > anyone > wanting to stay with points may want to buy up a couple extra sets. > In the meantime, I cleaned up my distributor and points. Since I didn't > buy > new points, I didn't get the nifty little packet of grease for the > distributor > cam. Would dielectric grease work as a substitute? > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click for travel nursing jobs and see the world. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpQHyEnTheNrLAcf3OA5wMwzdjGO > agHrYTssK6G6s84Rjk9jo/ > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From d-solomon at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 20:09:31 2008 From: d-solomon at comcast.net (Daniel Solomon) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:09:31 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? In-Reply-To: <001f01c88aea$b671f0c0$2e01a8c0@default> References: <001f01c88aea$b671f0c0$2e01a8c0@default> Message-ID: <47E326EB.7080807@comcast.net> i guess i'd have to disagree with #2....... Dave Stoll wrote: > 1. because my 1600 has slim chance of a death rattle coming from the timing > chain.... > 2. once the tires start squealing in a corner the engine size doesn't > matter.... > daveS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory S. Morrison" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? > > > >> I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things >> being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been >> in >> my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are >> some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go >> with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. >> > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as d-solomon at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gsglasgow at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 20:32:07 2008 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] FW: 1966 1600 w/2000 for sale on Craig'sList Message-ID: <004401c88b04$23f88a00$6be99e00$@net> Hi, gang. This got sent to me by someone who found my Web site. Thought I'd pass it along. Gordon Glasgow From: Ken [mailto:kened at cox.net] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:27 PM To: me at gordon-glasgow.org Subject: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/car/613245119.html Gordon, Always appreciated your site. Had to sell my 1600 years ago and now my Dad is selling his. Plz circulate if you find the time. Thanks Ken From daveandlindab at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 16:42:56 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:42:56 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] last message In-Reply-To: <032020082119.20711.47E2D4F10005DCBC000050E722073007930201030104019CD30B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005101c88ae4$1f80f220$6600a8c0@delled48909442> I dunno, but apparently, Patti sent something to me, instead of you, but it didn't go through? Well, if it was bad, this is good, if it was good, this is bad : ) I think? Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: d-solomon at comcast.net [mailto:d-solomon at comcast.net] ??? what'd i miss? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Patti Dwinell > Sorry, for the misdirected response Dave. I meant to respond to Dan's original > post. Maybe I should just stay in the shadows. > > Patti > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as d-solomon at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From daveandlindab at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 17:00:42 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:00:42 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? Now OT In-Reply-To: <20080321012642.YWL25381.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@IBM140A0C7C90B> Message-ID: <005401c88ae6$9ad2da40$6600a8c0@delled48909442> Reminds me of a Milton Berle quote..."I'll take out enough to win" As far as the subject, I've owned most variations, 66 1600 4spd was a lot more enjoyable around town and felt like driving an antique, the style of the car, not the performance. 69 2000 5 spd is more fun once you get rolling, not as much vintage feel. 69 1600 5 speed, performance was nice all around. Maybe this explains all the people building high and low windshield strokers with 5 speeds? Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hollands Reminds me of my favorite Mark Donohue Quote... "I'll have enough power when I can leave two black streaks from the exit of this corner to the entrance of that one" His response to a question about the adequacy of the roughly 1500HP 917/30. Brian Hollands '69 2000 Tampa FL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM From escanlon at wa-net.com Thu Mar 20 23:16:51 2008 From: escanlon at wa-net.com (E Scanlon) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:16:51 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? References: Message-ID: <002e01c88b1b$27dea660$0300a8c0@HPW> Two replies: 1) Because... 2) Why do you ask? E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory S. Morrison" > snip...why are > some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go > with a 2000? ...snip... > > Greg > SRL31100494 Or is this a not so subtle attempt at having us note your signature line? If so, did you forget to add the "nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-blrrrrrrrrt" at the end of it? From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 00:06:13 2008 From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] last message Message-ID: <138347.16959.qm@web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> OK, guys, I'll re-send the embarrassing "message" so you will all understand what happened. I meant to respond to Dan's "Oil Spin/Points Death" message, but responded to Dave's reply to it instead. When I realized that I addressed it to Dave, when I should have addressed it to Dan, I sent an apology...to Dave, on list. Then I sent the message (with correct name) to Dan, off list. Well, the apology posted to the list, but the original message never did. Now I have (at least) 2 Daves wondering what the heck I'm talking about. Here is the original message, as sent... "Dave, You may have received tons of messages off list, and I don't know if this will help or not, but I'm doing the same thing on a 1500 I bought but haven't installed. Are you spinning the oil pump with reverse on your drill? You should turn the oil pump counter-clockwise. It takes a while for the oil to get to the tiny ports on the valve train... a lot longer than I expected. I took the valve cover off so I could get a good look-see. Don't plug the distributor oil tube, just position it over the hole to lubricate your priming tool. I had to put a piece of rubber tubing on the end of the tube to extend and keep it over the hole. If you spin it too fast, oil will spill out the top... very messy. Keep spinning that sucker and the oil should eventually get up there. I noticed that it starts coming out on #4 first, then 3, 2 and lastly #1. On mine, #1 seem sluggish. I do not know if this is normal or not. I hope this helps. Patti ". So, that's that. I'm sorry for all the confusion. Does anyone else have experience with the use of the Tom Walter oil priming rod? --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From fairlady66 at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 05:58:05 2008 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Directions for Bar B-Q Message-ID: For those of you coming to the First Roadster Bar B-Q of the year in two weeks, here are the directions. *2992 Quebec Drive* *Riverside, CA 92504* *(951) 637-8872* *1)* For those of you that can make your way to the 91 frwy, take it towards Riverside/San Bernardino (East), exit Van Buren. the exit lefts you off on Indiana, make a left and a right on Van Buren. Van Buren to Lincoln and go left on Lincoln. Just past the High School make a left on Irving, quick right on Continental and quick left on Quebec Drive. Up on the left, the house with a Roadster in front. *2)* From the 215 Frwy, head toward Riverside and exit Van Buren, go left on Van Buren (you can't go right) and go to Lincoln and make a right. Once on Lincoln follow the above directions of #1. *3)* From the 101 and 210 Frwy head to the 10 Frwy east (toward San Bernardino) take it to the 15 frwy and head towards San Diego, exit onto the 91 frwy towards Riverside and follow the above directions from #1. *4)* From San Bernardino area make your way to the 91 frwy, exit Van Buren and make a left, go to Lincoln and make a right, go to Irving and go right and follow the above directions from #1. See you all in a couple of weeks. Chris -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. From fairlady66 at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 07:41:19 2008 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:41:19 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Error on directions for Bar B-Q Message-ID: *Hey Y'all,* *I goofed on the directions for the San Bernardino crowd (#4)* ** *Below is the corrected version.* ** *4)* From San Bernardino area make your way to the 91 frwy, exit Adams and make a left, go to Lincoln and make a right, go to Irving and go right and follow the above directions from #1. Chris -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. From gsm at gregorysmorrison.com Fri Mar 21 09:13:41 2008 From: gsm at gregorysmorrison.com (Gregory S. Morrison) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:13:41 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? In-Reply-To: <004301c88b44$1b445840$51cd08c0$@net> Message-ID: Paul- I guess it's one of those questions: window or aisle, paper or plastic, 1600 or 2000? My first Datsun Roadsters were all 1600s. Many years ago I actually passed on two 67.5 2000s (a nice driver with a driving "parts" car) in favor of one 1600! At the time I felt I couldn't afford to deal with a potential death rattle. The 1600s seemed to be more reliable too. And all the reviews at the time concluded that the 1600 was the best roadster value available. Then I felt the pull of a well tuned 2000 and that was that. Although some folks have reengineered their 1600s into mini rocket ships with great success. -Greg SRL31100494 On 3/21/08 4:08 AM, "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net> wrote: > Greg, > > The first Datsun roadster I ever drove was a 2000 and the power was > fantastic, but the car wasn't so I kept looking. My 1600 was the first > roadster I found locally that actually had a frame left under it. The rest > had rusted away. So I like 1600s best. Since owning it, I've read so much > about death rattles and the cost of chains and sprockets, that I'm happy I > bought a 1600. Then a couple years back I needed to replace a R16 that I > blew up in a race car, so I stuck a KA24D and 5 speed in my 1600. Guess > what my favorite roadster is now! :-) > > Paul > Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Gregory S. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:19 PM > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? > > I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things > being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in > my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are > some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go > with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. > > Just curious. > > Greg > SRL31100494 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 9laser3 at bright.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 11:15:00 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:15:00 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Message-ID: <032120081815.19905.47E3FB24000B787C00004DC12200745672CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> Andy, I pulled those numbers from the 311s.org threads where people had measured them. The .8 does seem odd since they say one was about twice as thick as the other. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: andycost at embarqmail.com > I was thinking that they were fairly close in thickness. One was like 1/8" and > the other like 1/4". Does anyone have the actual specifications for the > thickness of each plate? Someone said .8" but that seems way too thick. That > would be 100 pounds of steel. > > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy" > To: "dave" , "Dewey Hahlbohm" > , "Datsun List" > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:56:14 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > > Dave, > Thank you for the suggestion on the transmission mount. Great suggestion. > I will use it. > Guy > 67.5 > Chandler, AZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave" > To: "'Dewey Hahlbohm'" ; "'Datsun List'" > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > > > > Everyone pretty much covered the plate, need the thin one. Don't forget > > to get the cheap Chevy trans mount, ~$25.00, 10 minutes of work, will > > never break. > > http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.ChevyTrannyMount > > > > Good thing, you can sell off the 5 speed as a kit, make big $$ > > > > I have an extra 4 speed crossmember and driveshaft I was going to put on > > Ebay. If you need, just email. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 11:22:55 2008 From: oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com (Matthew Cox) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Question on Engine Rebuild Message-ID: <903285.49829.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey everyone! For fun, I decided to take an engine building class at the community college this semester. The professor told us that we can bring in our own engine to build, so of course I'm going to bring in an R16. I just have a couple of questions for everybody. I have a couple of engines as options, one is my running, driving 67 3-main R16 and the other is a 5-main R16 from a 68 that has been sitting for a few years (I also have a 3-main R16 from a parts car that is complete and I could use). My first inclination is to rebuild the long idle 5-main engine, since that is the one that needs it the most, but then I have a rebuilt engine with no decent car to put it in (the car it's coming from needs MUCH work, many years, and will maybe never be up to snuff. I may actually be selling it soon if I move). The other engine, the running 3-main engine, is in fine shape, as far as I can tell, but I have no idea how long it has been since it was last rebuilt and its valves are noisy (although they haven't been adjusted for a while). Is there anything wrong with rebuilding an engine that doesn't desparately need it? Any negatives? I was thinking that with the running engine, maybe I could add a hotter cam and maybe a couple of other things (headers, exhaust) to boost performance without going the whole stroker route right now (all my money is currently tied up in an extensive house remodel - so long, car paint fund). Any other ideas on performance mods I can make that aren't too extensive and expensive to take car of while I'm at it? What kind of HP growth can I expect from any of these? On the other hand, if I rebuild the sitting 5-main, I will have a good engine that I could also do performance mods to if I wanted. I could always hold the engine as a spare, sell it (how much?), put it in my runner, or keep it in the original car and plan on finishing that project MUCH later. Anyway, I've rambled too long. I guess I'm just asking what you guys would do, since this is my first engine rebuild. I'm excited! Just send any ideas, tips and warnings I need to hear... Matthew in Phoenix 67 1600 Driver 68 1600 Long sitting project 66 1600 Parts car with compete engine --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From James at jdfogg.com Fri Mar 21 12:11:51 2008 From: James at jdfogg.com (James Fogg) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Question on Engine Rebuild Message-ID: <4EE5D8CA323707439EF291AC9244BD9A2573EF@sbs.jdfogg.com> > Is there anything wrong with rebuilding an engine that doesn't > desparately need it? Any negatives? I was thinking that with the running > engine, maybe I could add a hotter cam and maybe a couple of other things > (headers, exhaust) to boost performance without going the whole stroker > route right now (all my money is currently tied up in an extensive house > remodel - so long, car paint fund). Any other ideas on performance mods I > can make that aren't too extensive and expensive to take car of while I'm > at it? What kind of HP growth can I expect from any of these? The only thing that comes to mind is the amount of material removed. You can only remove so much before you run out. If you deck the block, align-bore the crank journals or cam journals, bore for oversize pistons or anything else the removes metal you will eventually run out of metal. If your cylinders don't need boring (no odd shapes, tapers or wear), then a nice honing and new rings will liven up an older engine. Older engines can benefit from a valve job, and a fancy cam is always fun, though you might not think so after you get done tuning the carbs and ignition for the new cam profile. Rebuild time is a great time to repaint the engine, and everything else under the hood. When you are done you'll have an engine that you can trust, and it should solve any leaks you might have. And the next time you rebuild a Datsun engine you'll be faster. From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 13:11:19 2008 From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:11:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Message-ID: <5969352.1206130279631.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I noticed that too. It also says if you use 2 of the 1600 plates it will work with the 5 speed. I wonder if the thickness is .08 rather than .8??? I looked for an author of the 4speedto5speedswap, but could not find credit for the writer. Can someone confirm thickness of 1600 vs. 2000 front covers? Dewey -----Original Message----- >From: ppeters914 at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 21, 2008 12:15 PM >To: datsun-roadsters >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > >Andy, > >I pulled those numbers from the 311s.org threads where people had measured them. The .8 does seem odd since they say one was about twice as thick as the other. > >Pete > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: andycost at embarqmail.com >> I was thinking that they were fairly close in thickness. One was like 1/8" and >> the other like 1/4". Does anyone have the actual specifications for the >> thickness of each plate? Someone said .8" but that seems way too thick. That >> would be 100 pounds of steel. >> >> Andy >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Guy" >> To: "dave" , "Dewey Hahlbohm" >> , "Datsun List" >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:56:14 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question >> >> Dave, >> Thank you for the suggestion on the transmission mount. Great suggestion. >> I will use it. >> Guy >> 67.5 >> Chandler, AZ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "dave" >> To: "'Dewey Hahlbohm'" ; "'Datsun List'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question >> >> >> > Everyone pretty much covered the plate, need the thin one. Don't forget >> > to get the cheap Chevy trans mount, ~$25.00, 10 minutes of work, will >> > never break. >> > http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.ChevyTrannyMount >> > >> > Good thing, you can sell off the 5 speed as a kit, make big $$ >> > >> > I have an extra 4 speed crossmember and driveshaft I was going to put on >> > Ebay. If you need, just email. >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters >________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as hahlbohmd at earthlink.net > >Datsun-roadsters mailing list > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com Fri Mar 21 14:03:34 2008 From: jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com (Joe Russo) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:03:34 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Question on Engine Rebuild In-Reply-To: <903285.49829.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c88b97$075bd300$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> On the other hand, if I rebuild the sitting 5-main, I will have a good engine that I could also do performance mods to if I wanted. I could always hold the engine as a spare, sell it (how much?), put it in my runner, or keep it in the original car and plan on finishing that project MUCH later. Matt - I have a similar dilemma. I have (2) running roadsters with U20s. Each, with unknown actual mileage. One has shimmed upper chain tensioner to address the evil-L death rattle (for now) (Thanks Gordon). I have a R16 sitting on a stand and a spare U20 with 40K miles on a stand... My plan (although start date is undetermined) is to rebuild both of the out of car engines (as a hobby), clean and paint them, rebuild, replace, re-gasket everything that needs it and then swap them into the running cars. I want to do it sooner than later because as we all know...U20 parts will become extinct soon. This approach also allows me to drive both cars without fear of breaking one (or both) and does not but my engine building hobby on the critical path toward enjoying my cars. One car is a SPL and one is an SRL so the SPL with get its numbers matching engine and 4 spd back. :-) Joe From toolmansj2 at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 15:19:29 2008 From: toolmansj2 at comcast.net (toolmansj2 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:19:29 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting Message-ID: <032120082219.19407.47E434710003E0BF00004BCF2215575114069C020E030401019B@comcast.net> Do I need to use lock washers along with the big thick flat washers seems there would barely be enough room for locks. thanks Shaun -- 1969 2000 U20 2007 Titan 4x4 From joek at camberconstruction.com Fri Mar 21 15:54:53 2008 From: joek at camberconstruction.com (Joe Kinstle) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:54:53 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting In-Reply-To: <032120082219.19407.47E434710003E0BF00004BCF2215575114069C020E030401019B@comcast.net> References: <032120082219.19407.47E434710003E0BF00004BCF2215575114069C020E030401019B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000e01c88ba6$93dc00c0$020fa8c0@lapjoek> You can double nut the stud and back it out. Not sure if you need the lock washer, but it hasn't hurt anything on my motor. Joe Kinstle '68 2L BLK SRL -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toolmansj2 at comcast.net Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:19 PM To: roadster list Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting Do I need to use lock washers along with the big thick flat washers seems there would barely be enough room for locks. thanks Shaun -- 1969 2000 U20 2007 Titan 4x4 From twobeaners at earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 17:06:27 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:06:27 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? OR BOTH MAYBE?? References: <20080320182416.5JZ2G.135429.root@fepweb08> Message-ID: <009f01c88bb0$9306a3d0$6500a8c0@lap> I've only driven and owned the one roadster I have. A bone stock '67 1600 4-speed, and now modified to a stroker with a five speed, GB dizzy and the late, Type B (RCB) steering box. Can I say I've "owned" and driven two roadsters now? Gregory S. Morrison I like the early flat panel dash, larger engine and tighter steering better in the modified version. Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Gregory S. Morrison" ; Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 1600 v 2000? OR BOTH MAYBE?? > Wellllllllllll......I have both so there you go. I would love to have a short windshield with either engine, but that is not an option as I am too tall to drive them. But I must say, my 1600 is getting a five speed tranny eventually. It just begs for one more gear, even more so since I started running a GB dizzy. And one of the two runners might end up with a flat dash as I love that look as well. > > PEACE :-) > > Tim > Belleville, WI. > '70 SPL AND SRL > Still clueless but always learning > > ---- "Gregory S. Morrison" wrote: > > ============= > I've seen several ground up restorations of 1600s and 2000s. All things > being equal, the cost is very similar. So, other than "because it's been in > my family for years", or "because I like 1600s better than 2000s", why are > some people pouring a ton of money into restoring a stock 1600? Why not go > with a 2000? Same car, but with more gears and more power. > > Just curious. > > Greg > SRL31100494 From daveandlindab at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 13:44:28 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:44:28 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Death of points forever?? In-Reply-To: <002f01c88afe$90eee240$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <007c01c88b94$5ba32ba0$6600a8c0@delled48909442> RE: Death of Points All part of my evil plan.... Dave Brisco East Coast Roadster From Keith0alan at aol.com Sat Mar 22 05:57:40 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:57:40 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2008 3:55:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, joek at camberconstruction.com writes: Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting Do I need to use lock washers along with the big thick flat washers seems there would barely be enough room for locks. thanks Shaun The heads came with two lengths of studs. Long ones where the bridge washers go and short ones where they are not needed. It's very common for them to end up either in the wrong hole or replaced with incorrect studs. Lock washers are a good idea. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From Keith0alan at aol.com Sat Mar 22 06:30:39 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:30:39 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Question on Engine Rebuild Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2008 11:23:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com writes: Is there anything wrong with rebuilding an engine that doesn't desparately need it? Any negatives? I was thinking that with the running engine, maybe I could add a hotter cam and maybe a couple of other things (headers, exhaust) to boost performance without going the whole stroker route right now (all my money is currently tied up in an extensive house remodel - so long, car paint fund). Any other ideas on performance mods I can make that aren't too extensive and expensive to take car of while I'm at it? What kind of HP growth can I expect from any of these? Rebuilding one that is still intact has benefits. Chances are the head is straight saving that expense. You don't have to deal with spun bearings, gouged cylinders, broken timing chains, burnt valves, and such things. It should be more learning about rebuilding the engine and less in disaster recovery. The less time you spend on fixing broke things the more you spend on fast things. The r16/u20 bottom end is good for 200hp if put together properly. Cylinder head porting and valve size are a big bottleneck on the r16. A cam, valve and port work should be the best bang for the buck. There is some science to port and valve sizing that is a bit more than I plan to cover here. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twobeaners at earthlink.net Sat Mar 22 08:10:37 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:10:37 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting References: Message-ID: <00e101c88c2e$e2a55750$6500a8c0@lap> I'm sure there might be some disagreement, but I have found what works for me. I used to use lock washers on the manifolds, and found it unnecessary (for me, anyway). I have used brass nuts on the two dozen old Volvos I have owned over the years, without a problem when torqued properly. I decided to use them on the roadster as well. They work well, especially on the exhaust collector / front pipe. They don't seize from heat like steel nuts. You can torque them tight and are still very easy to remove. Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting > In a message dated 3/21/2008 3:55:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > joek at camberconstruction.com writes: > > Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting > > Do I need to use lock washers along with the big thick flat washers seems > there would barely be enough room for locks. > thanks Shaun > > > > The heads came with two lengths of studs. Long ones where the bridge washers > go and short ones where they are not needed. It's very common for them to > end up either in the wrong hole or replaced with incorrect studs. Lock washers > are a good idea. > > keith From daveandlindab at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 07:35:59 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:35:59 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting In-Reply-To: <000e01c88ba6$93dc00c0$020fa8c0@lapjoek> Message-ID: <009e01c88c2a$0c5521c0$6600a8c0@delled48909442> You can get a hardware kit fir a reasonable price on Ebay, Datsun Parts Express. It's nice to have the right stuff if yours is a mish-mosh. The correct hardware is a 12mm wrench size, "normal" nuts in that bolt size are 13mm. IIRC, mine has lockwashers. Dave ECR -----Original Message----- From: Joe Kinstle [mailto:joek at camberconstruction.com] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:55 PM To: toolmansj2 at comcast.net; 'roadster list' Subject: Re: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting You can double nut the stud and back it out. Not sure if you need the lock washer, but it hasn't hurt anything on my motor. Joe Kinstle '68 2L BLK SRL -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team. net] On Behalf Of toolmansj2 at comcast.net Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:19 PM To: roadster list Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting Do I need to use lock washers along with the big thick flat washers seems there would barely be enough room for locks. thanks Shaun -- 1969 2000 U20 2007 Titan 4x4 From nkussat at nethere.com Sat Mar 22 09:56:48 2008 From: nkussat at nethere.com (Neil & Tenny Kussat) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:56:48 -0800 Subject: [Roadsters] adjusting steering box 'slack' Message-ID: <20080322155644.EIRH6668.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I need some advice about adjusting the steering box slack. Not the bearing pre-load but the screw and lock-nut adjustment. It's a latter box (re-circulating ball). I had it apart to replace the seals and want to set it up proper. Thanks, Neil Kussat 69 1600 San Diego From paulf108a at earthlink.net Sat Mar 22 17:26:21 2008 From: paulf108a at earthlink.net (Paul Fernandez) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:26:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Message-ID: <29306695.1206231981758.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >I noticed that too. It also says if you use 2 of the 1600 plates it will work with the 5 speed. I wonder if the thickness is .08 rather than .8??? I looked for an author of the 4speedto5speedswap, but could not find credit for the writer. > >Can someone confirm thickness of 1600 vs. 2000 front covers? Dewey > I don't know if anyone has answered this yet, the 1600 plate is .081 inches thick and the 2000 plate is .156 inches thick Paul Fernandez 67.5 SPL311-11359 (clone) 67.5 SRL311-00044 From hallosb at juno.com Sat Mar 22 18:36:41 2008 From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:36:41 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E Message-ID: <20080322.183641.12315.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see how the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on the spark plug recommendations. Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct plug is BP6ES. I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES plug. Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 if, it matters. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 _____________________________________________________________ Earn up to $300 hour. Click here to get information on starting a medical career. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpPCf2z1RwUgzTR4yV6zWYbPKskz 4rqXRseqALCPamlv0LdPo/ From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 18:45:50 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:45:50 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question In-Reply-To: <29306695.1206231981758.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c88c87$a0549330$6501a8c0@xp> Thanks, Paul. Those numbers make sense. Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Fernandez Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:26 PM To: Dewey Hahlbohm; datsun-roadsters Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question >I noticed that too. It also says if you use 2 of the 1600 plates it >will work with the 5 speed. I wonder if the thickness is .08 rather than .8??? I looked for an author of the 4speedto5speedswap, but could not find credit for the writer. > >Can someone confirm thickness of 1600 vs. 2000 front covers? Dewey > I don't know if anyone has answered this yet, the 1600 plate is .081 inches thick and the 2000 plate is .156 inches thick Paul Fernandez 67.5 SPL311-11359 (clone) 67.5 SRL311-00044 Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From twobeaners at earthlink.net Sat Mar 22 22:27:01 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:27:01 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E References: <20080322.183641.12315.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <018501c88ca6$864863d0$6500a8c0@lap> Here is some info on NGK plugs: http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/docs/tech/design_symbols_plugs.pdf Mike Husdon '67 - Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E > Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see how > the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on the > spark plug recommendations. > Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. > The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct plug is > BP6ES. > I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES plug. > Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 if, it > matters. > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 22 20:16:26 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:16:26 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E References: <20080322.183641.12315.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001101c88ce9$cfa31820$992a8c42@garage.local> go to sparkplugs.com, put in nissan, year, model, engine, etc, and they will show you a lot of choices. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E > Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see > how > the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on > the > spark plug recommendations. > Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. > The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct plug > is > BP6ES. > I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES plug. > Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 if, > it > matters. > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 From hallosb at juno.com Sun Mar 23 06:41:01 2008 From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:41:01 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E Message-ID: <20080323.064101.9223.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Thanks Mike. P is for projected tip. That explains why the electrode sticks out more. It sounds like either one will work. Do the aluminum and iron heads have a different combustion chamber design? Maybe the projected tip would work in one head better than the other? Dan McHatton '66 1600 ------------------------------------------------------- Here is some info on NGK plugs:http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/docs/tech/design_symbol s_plugs.pdfMike Husdon '67 - Stroker / 5-speed _____________________________________________________________ Why not be a nutritionist? Get your degree fast. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpRJ8NYLdsl5HPrmLCQ1t9VZzGxy zJ8NSAmyUPGw6NMTHeN8q/ From Keith0alan at aol.com Sun Mar 23 07:33:56 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:33:56 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/2008 6:39:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hallosb at juno.com writes: Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see how the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on the spark plug recommendations. Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct plug is BP6ES. I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES plug. Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 if, it matters. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 The original was B6ES. My understanding is that the P, projected tip, is good for older high mileage engines that tend to foul plugs. Either one will work fine. Sometimes the B6ES is a little hard to find. The BP6ES, BR6ES, BPR6ES (resistor) all will work fine. My theory on plugs is to use the original manufacturer. Japaneese plugs in a Japaneese car, European plugs in a European car, American plugs in an American car. I've heard too many horror stories about Bosh or Champion plugs in Japaneese engines. According to the books they should be the same but for some reason they really are not. Met one bike mechanic that could tell by sound if the bike had Champion plugs in it. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jedwabny at earthlink.net Sun Mar 23 08:10:49 2008 From: jedwabny at earthlink.net (Joseph Jedwabny) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:10:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Roadsters] Might sell 1600 Message-ID: <21145232.1206285050200.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hello all, I may be selling my 1600 and wasn't sure if you can post the sale here (with a picture or not) or only point to it (like if it is on eBay or Craig's list). Can you advise please? Thanks... From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net Sun Mar 23 09:15:00 2008 From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:15:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question Message-ID: <3787208.1206288901155.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks Paul. Dewey -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Fernandez >Sent: Mar 22, 2008 6:26 PM >To: Dewey Hahlbohm , datsun-roadsters >Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bell housing front cover question > > >>I noticed that too. It also says if you use 2 of the 1600 plates it will work with the 5 speed. I wonder if the thickness is .08 rather than .8??? I looked for an author of the 4speedto5speedswap, but could not find credit for the writer. >> >>Can someone confirm thickness of 1600 vs. 2000 front covers? Dewey >> > > >I don't know if anyone has answered this yet, >the 1600 plate is .081 inches thick and >the 2000 plate is .156 inches thick > >Paul Fernandez > >67.5 SPL311-11359 (clone) >67.5 SRL311-00044 From junk4us at comcast.net Sun Mar 23 09:24:15 2008 From: junk4us at comcast.net (junk4us at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:24:15 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Selling My 1969 Datsun Roadster 1600 Message-ID: <032320081624.408.47E6842F000DCE840000019822028887449C9ACB05029A06@comcast.net> O.k., it is time to sell my Roadster. I have been driving in less frequently all the time and as much as I would like to keep it, it needs a better home. Mileage 136476. I have had the car since 1996. I has been garaged for most of that time. Left out only when we were gone overnight or for brief periods under a car cover. Runs great, but needs to be driven more. My lack of driving it has lead to battery failure on more than one occasion. Red (Spanish red #64, I think), black interior. Chrome is in pretty good shape. Needs to be repainted, because some of the filler used when I had it painted has cracked. Or at least the bad spots fixed. Paint otherwise in very good shape. Top is in excellent shape, I put a new one on when I got it. I had it reupholstered. Dash needs to be redone. Idler arm is worn, passenger side front wheel is missing one lug nut and one wheel stud is worn. This needs to be taken care of before any excessive driving is done. Original radio doesn't work, but I had an under dash CD-Radio put in it when I got it. Original Heater Fan control doesn't work, but the previous owner had one installed under the dash, so the fan works. I had a new master brake cylinder installed, and new fuel pump, and voltage regulator. If you have any questions, e-mail me. If you would like pictures e-mail me. Location of the car is Yuba City, California about forty five miles north of Sacramento. It can be test driven, but not driven home due to the missing lug nut. I am asking $3500 for it from anyone on the list, because I know it will go to a good home. If I have to list it in the papers, Craig's list or eBay I will probably be asking $4500. John From aultgc at att.net Sun Mar 23 12:40:47 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:40:47 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting References: <032120082219.19407.47E434710003E0BF00004BCF2215575114069C020E030401019B@comcast.net> <000e01c88ba6$93dc00c0$020fa8c0@lapjoek> Message-ID: <018e01c88d1d$cb2f45a0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> The stock studs have sufficient length for lock washers even when inserted up to the "collar". I have ssen nuts work loose, though not after they get a bit of corrosion. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Kinstle" To: ; "'roadster list'" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting > You can double nut the stud and back it out. Not sure if you need the > lock > washer, but it hasn't hurt anything on my motor. > > Joe Kinstle > '68 2L > BLK SRL > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of toolmansj2 at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:19 PM > To: roadster list > Subject: [Roadsters] help carb and exhaust mounting > > Do I need to use lock washers along with the big thick flat washers seems > there would barely be enough room for locks. > thanks Shaun > > -- > 1969 2000 U20 > 2007 Titan 4x4 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Sun Mar 23 13:29:11 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:29:11 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E References: <20080322.183641.12315.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <02b701c88d24$8e2d9470$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Dan, The original plug for the '66 1600 was the B6ES. The "P" is for "Projected", meaning the electrode extends further as you noted. If I have my facts right, the extended elctrode plugs were used on all vehicles with emissions controls, but will work fine with earlier cars. Not sure one can still buy the B6ES. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E > Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see > how > the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on > the > spark plug recommendations. > Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. > The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct plug > is > BP6ES. > I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES plug. > Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 if, > it > matters. > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > > _____________________________________________________________ > Earn up to $300 hour. Click here to get information on starting a medical > career. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpPCf2z1RwUgzTR4yV6zWYbPKskz > 4rqXRseqALCPamlv0LdPo/ > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Sun Mar 23 13:42:03 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:42:03 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E References: Message-ID: <02f901c88d26$5a476080$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Many years ago, I needed a set of plugs, and my local parts house didn't carry NGKs, so I settled for a set of Champions. Now, I have used Cahnpionn plugs in many other cars, but they didn't do real well in my roadster. So, I drove a little further and got NGKs. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E > In a message dated 3/22/2008 6:39:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > hallosb at juno.com writes: > > Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see > how > the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on > the > spark plug recommendations. > Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. > The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct plug > is > BP6ES. > I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES > plug. > Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 if, > it > matters. > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > > > > > The original was B6ES. My understanding is that the P, projected tip, is > good for older high mileage engines that tend to foul plugs. Either one > will > work fine. Sometimes the B6ES is a little hard to find. The BP6ES, BR6ES, > BPR6ES > (resistor) all will work fine. > > My theory on plugs is to use the original manufacturer. Japaneese plugs in > a > Japaneese car, European plugs in a European car, American plugs in an > American car. I've heard too many horror stories about Bosh or Champion > plugs in > Japaneese engines. According to the books they should be the same but for > some > reason they really are not. Met one bike mechanic that could tell by sound > if > the bike had Champion plugs in it. > > keith > > > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From hallosb at juno.com Sun Mar 23 13:48:00 2008 From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:48:00 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E Message-ID: <20080323.134800.18678.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> NAPA had both the NGK BP6ES and B6ES. I think I'll give the B6ES plugs a try. Dan McHatton '66 1600 -------------------------------------------------------- Sometimes the B6ES is a little hard to find. keith _____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss. Click here to start an automotive franchise now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpRpMs0YzR1SDDeyeprMm5VlVvsK du0g4RTRMLLQXpyGd6xOe/ From ppeters914 at comcast.net Sun Mar 23 14:17:36 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:17:36 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Might sell 1600 In-Reply-To: <21145232.1206285050200.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000801c88d2b$51f41540$6501a8c0@xp> You can post the sale and a link to a picture. No attachments. Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+ppeters914=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Jedwabny Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:11 AM To: Roadsters Subject: [Roadsters] Might sell 1600 Hello all, I may be selling my 1600 and wasn't sure if you can post the sale here (with a picture or not) or only point to it (like if it is on eBay or Craig's list). Can you advise please? Thanks... Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From mikef at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 23 14:41:19 2008 From: mikef at carolina.rr.com (Mike Faggart) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:41:19 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Parts needed References: Message-ID: <01ef01c88d2e$a15148d0$0200a8c0@reginacb41e884> Peter, Craig Halsted has plenty of center consoles. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jones" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Parts needed > Hello all, > > I am chasing a set of windscreen demister air horns that connect the > airhorn > rubber thing to the dash on the 2000 high screen. It's those funny shaped > black cones. Also I am chasing a centre console for the car as well, just > needs to be usable. > The challanging part is that I live in Australia and I am happy to pay via > paypal for the parts plus your time on posting and packing. > If you do have the parts please contact me off list and we can talk > turkey. > > Regards > Peter j > 68 fitted with a CA18DET > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E > com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% > 5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mikef at carolina.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From daveandlindab at comcast.net Sun Mar 23 16:05:27 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:05:27 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E In-Reply-To: <20080322.183641.12315.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <00d601c88d3a$6228f4d0$6600a8c0@delled48909442> NGK's own site lists a B6ES, stock #7432, gap at .032 for a 66 1600. A projected tip may work, but if you are unsure of actual clearance, why risk it. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: hallosb at juno.com [mailto:hallosb at juno.com] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see how the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on the spark plug recommendations. Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct plug is BP6ES. I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES plug. Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 if, it matters. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 _____________________________________________________________ Earn up to $300 hour. Click here to get information on starting a medical career. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpPCf2z1RwUgzTR4yV6zWYb PKskz 4rqXRseqALCPamlv0LdPo/ From daveandlindab at comcast.net Sun Mar 23 16:11:06 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:11:06 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d701c88d3b$2c500e10$6600a8c0@delled48909442> Funny, no "scientific basis", but that theory works. GM's used to hate champions, Dodge was OK with them, hated AC plugs ETC. I think I have Bosch platinums in the 2000, work fine, but I'll go to NGK BPR5ES-11's when the EI is put in. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Keith0alan at aol.com [mailto:Keith0alan at aol.com] Keith Wrote My theory on plugs is to use the original manufacturer. Japaneese plugs in a Japaneese car, European plugs in a European car, American plugs in an American car. I've heard too many horror stories about Bosh or Champion plugs in Japaneese engines. According to the books they should be the same but for some reason they really are not. Met one bike mechanic that could tell by sound if the bike had Champion plugs in it. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aol hom00030000000001) From gregs672liter at netzero.net Sun Mar 23 17:17:08 2008 From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:17:08 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E Message-ID: <20080323.171708.7059.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Just as an FYI, the NGK extended tip plug would cause my 11.7 to 1 compression U20 to knock more easily than the standard plug. I could run more initial and total advance with the standard plug which was better for this motor. I once blew the center electode out of 2 of the 4 Champion plugs I was trying in this same engine using a GB EI and a Jacobs Pro-Street Ignition box/coil. Don't like Champions. Greg Burrows 67 2000 -- "dave" wrote: NGK's own site lists a B6ES, stock #7432, gap at .032 for a 66 1600. A projected tip may work, but if you are unsure of actual clearance, why risk it. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: hallosb at juno.com [mailto:hallosb at juno.com] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see how the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on the spark plug recommendations. Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct plug is BP6ES. I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES plug. Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 if, it matters. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 _____________________________________________________________ Earn up to $300 hour. Click here to get information on starting a medical career. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpPCf2z1RwUgzTR4yV6zWYb PKskz 4rqXRseqALCPamlv0LdPo/ You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Add warmth and beauty to your home with a new rug. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/REAK6aBe7JUNHOiEp4V4V5b26oH2eJ QParXLFSMgaLfbskpJ2eDRYA/ From aultgc at att.net Sun Mar 23 17:48:27 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:48:27 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Might sell 1600 References: <21145232.1206285050200.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03e301c88d48$c6387690$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Joe, My understanding is that one cannot post attachments to the List website. You can post links to another website, like Craigslist or eBay. You can post a notice to the List, and indicate that you will send photos off-list to those interested. Do others have better advice for Joe? Gary Ault Short-Time List Member ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Jedwabny" To: "Roadsters" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Might sell 1600 > Hello all, > > I may be selling my 1600 and wasn't sure if you can post the sale here > (with a picture or not) or only point to it (like if it is on eBay or > Craig's list). Can you advise please? > > Thanks... > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From fairlady at bigpond.com Sun Mar 23 18:15:50 2008 From: fairlady at bigpond.com (Phill Brook) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:15:50 +1100 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E In-Reply-To: <00d701c88d3b$2c500e10$6600a8c0@delled48909442> References: <00d701c88d3b$2c500e10$6600a8c0@delled48909442> Message-ID: FWIW, Nissan has, or had, a major stake in NGK. Most Aussie roadsters have been using BP6ES for as long as I can remember without any problems. Some would run BP5ES or BP7ES if needed. I also experimented with BP6EV but they didn't work any better. I found platinum plugs weren't that good either, too prone to fouling. On 24/03/2008, at 10:11 AM, dave wrote: > Funny, no "scientific basis", but that theory works. GM's used to hate > champions, Dodge was OK with them, hated AC plugs ETC. I think I have > Bosch platinums in the 2000, work fine, but I'll go to NGK BPR5ES-11's > when the EI is put in. > > Dave Brisco From fairlady66 at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 20:14:48 2008 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:14:48 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E In-Reply-To: <02b701c88d24$8e2d9470$6402a8c0@gaxp1> References: <20080322.183641.12315.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <02b701c88d24$8e2d9470$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: Not to offend anyone but I try to only run Champions in my lawn equipment. I prefer Autolite or NGK (Bosch is the only plug my BMW liked). Currently I am running the NGK B6ES in the Roadster (1966 1600 with an H20) and it does well. Chris On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Gary and Cindy Ault wrote: > Dan, > > The original plug for the '66 1600 was the B6ES. The "P" is for > "Projected", meaning the electrode extends further as you noted. If I > have > my facts right, the extended elctrode plugs were used on all vehicles with > emissions controls, but will work fine with earlier cars. Not sure one > can > still buy the B6ES. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:36 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E > > > > Thanks again to all for the many offers of point sets. I'm going to see > > how > > the car runs with the points I have first but, I'm a little confused on > > the > > spark plug recommendations. > > Clymer Manual and NGK web site say the correct plug is B6ES. > > The Chilton manual, vendor manual, and 311s.org site say the correct > plug > > is > > BP6ES. > > I noticed the BP6ES electrode sticks out a little more than the B6ES > plug. > > Anyone know which one is correct. I'm running a completely stock 1600 > if, > > it > > matters. > > TIA, > > Dan McHatton > > '66 1600 > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Earn up to $300 hour. Click here to get information on starting a > medical > > career. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpPCf2z1RwUgzTR4yV6zWYbPKskz > > 4rqXRseqALCPamlv0LdPo/ > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fairlady66 at gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Mon Mar 24 07:08:51 2008 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:08:51 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Link to Fred Katz top-folding instructions? Message-ID: Is there still a link to Fred Katz's lesson on top-folding anywhere on the net? Some of us gearing up for the Iron Bottom have not done it in a while (2+ years in my case), and while I remember the pics, describing it to someone else left me a bit challenged. Fergus O From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Mon Mar 24 07:33:11 2008 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] SF Bay 2000, unusual carb set-up Message-ID: Interesting carb set-up, anyone recognize this manifold / carb? Similar in color to the SF Bay roadster that was for sale with non-functional reverse a while back, same car? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/car/614561447.html From tomet9 at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 24 08:43:01 2008 From: tomet9 at sbcglobal.net (Tom PRATHER) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] SF Bay 2000, unusual carb set-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <11717.82657.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fergus, They look like the old Aisin or Hitachis the L-series used. Tom, "O'Farrell, Fergus" wrote: Interesting carb set-up, anyone recognize this manifold / carb? Similar in color to the SF Bay roadster that was for sale with non-functional reverse a while back, same car? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/car/614561447.html You are subscribed as tomet9 at sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From info at sportsimports.ca Mon Mar 24 10:36:36 2008 From: info at sportsimports.ca (Ross Mullen / Sports Imports) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] sports imports parts for sale Message-ID: here is a listing of some of the items in stock at this time: datsun 2000 U20 gasket kit SOLEX complete original Nissan $350 datsun 2000 U20 gasket kit SU complete original Nissan $330 datsun roadster brake pads original Nissan $40 datsun roadster rear brake shoes original Nissan $100 datsun roadster caliper halves set of four original Nissan $300 datsun roadster slotted rotors front brake pair $185 datsun roadster water pump 2000 original Nissan $119 datsun roadster radiator hoses original Nissan call Ross Mullen sports imports 604-538-5615 From drlsmith at dccnet.com Mon Mar 24 14:25:09 2008 From: drlsmith at dccnet.com (Daryl Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Was points, now NGK BP6E versus B6E References: <20080323.171708.7059.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <005e01c88df5$8acd3f70$782fcf18@Daryl> > Just as an FYI, the NGK extended tip plug would cause my 11.7 to 1 > compression > U20 to knock more easily than the standard plug. I could run more initial > and > total advance with the standard plug which was better for this motor. The projected tip plug puts the spark closer to the center of the combustion chamber, which actually is better to burn as much fuel as possible (for both power and milage). This also has the effect of a SLIGHTLY increased timing advance. Combine this with a more efficient and powerful ignition system, with a larger spark gap, which lights the fuel off faster, and the "slight" increase can become significant. In theory the best thing to do in this case would be to back off the timing. Tuners calibrate spark to what is called "minimum best torque". This is the MINIMUM spark advance that will produce the MAXIMUM torque at a given operating condition. Theory again being that the less time the expanding mixture is pushing down on the piston while it is moving up, the more power will make it to the wheels. This is NOT to say that anyone who puts a high power ignition system in their car could benefit from decreasing the timing. Greg is pushing the limits in a unique, high power engine configuration which could probably benefit from a custom curved distributor advance. Most of our cars (stock), because of the "scatter" inherent in the dizzy/points system have a relatively conservative spark curve and settings. The slight advanced timing effect of projected nose plugs, an EI dizzy, and a powerful aftermarket ignition, would not normally result in knock/ping, but instead a slight power/milage increase. If you get some knock, back off the timing a bit and see how the overall performance responds. I have run the NGK BPR6ES plugs for as long as I can remember. I have switched to the BPR6ES-11 with the electronic (EDIS) ignition and regapped to .054" with great results so far. Daryl '66 1800cc R/G engine, EFI, EDIS. From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 16:51:45 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup Message-ID: <56735.17847.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi I looked, but didn't find. Could someone please send a link to the procedure on setting up SU carbs on a 2000? I just can't recall how, though it has only been 30 years since the last time I did it.... I have the idle setting on each carb, and an air flow meter, but I can't recall how to do the higher speed mixture setting. JimG 1969 2k From shifty at shiftco.com Mon Mar 24 17:06:54 2008 From: shifty at shiftco.com (Leigh Brooks) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:06:54 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run - April 19th Message-ID: Just a reminder the Hood River, OR run is April 19th. http://www.shiftco.com/hood_river_run/ 6 confirmed so far - more would be great! Leigh Brooks From aultgc at att.net Mon Mar 24 17:23:11 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:23:11 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup References: <56735.17847.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101c88e0e$68d27b10$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Jim, I have always set the mixture at idle, then balanced the carbs at higher speed, which is consistent with the Nissan shop manual. I believe adjusting the mixture at speed (after adjusting it at idle) would screw up the idle, since there's only one adjustment I'm aware of. Anyone else care to weigh in? Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup > Hi > > I looked, but didn't find. > > Could someone please send a link to the procedure on setting up SU carbs > on a 2000? > > I just can't recall how, though it has only been 30 years since the last > time I did it.... > > I have the idle setting on each carb, and an air flow meter, but I can't > recall how to do the higher speed mixture setting. > > JimG 1969 2k > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Mon Mar 24 18:28:32 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:28:32 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup - differrent flavor In-Reply-To: <005101c88e0e$68d27b10$6402a8c0@gaxp1> References: <56735.17847.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005101c88e0e$68d27b10$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: Hi On the intake maifold there are two set screws - one on each set - i have been told that they are there for balancing/assessing the intake airflow - anyone aware of the reality of this statement and the appropriate tools Peter ---------------------------------------- > From: aultgc at att.net > To: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:23:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Carb Setup > > Jim, > > I have always set the mixture at idle, then balanced the carbs at higher > speed, which is consistent with the Nissan shop manual. I believe adjusting > the mixture at speed (after adjusting it at idle) would screw up the idle, > since there's only one adjustment I'm aware of. > > Anyone else care to weigh in? > > Gary Ault > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Gammon" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:51 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup > > > > Hi > > > > I looked, but didn't find. > > > > Could someone please send a link to the procedure on setting up SU carbs > > on a 2000? > > > > I just can't recall how, though it has only been 30 years since the last > > time I did it.... > > > > I have the idle setting on each carb, and an air flow meter, but I can't > > recall how to do the higher speed mixture setting. > > > > JimG 1969 2k > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as granvillecomputing at hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 20:13:09 2008 From: oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com (Matthew Cox) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Update on Engine Rebuild In-Reply-To: <019801c88d1e$ac279670$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <150344.50778.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey everyone! Thanks for all the comments on my "dilemma." They really helped me with my decision! I decided to rebuild the running 3-main engine in my driver (numbers matching). It finally came down to what would I most like to spend money on, an engine that I know I'm going to keep, or an engine that I may have to get rid of. Also, I don't know the condition of my spare engines, so the expense could be huge, whereas extra money can be spent on the runner on performance upgrades instead of doing major repairs (let's hope). Anyway, thanks again for the opinions. Everything was helpful! Quick question... I don't have any engine lift points on my block (that I can see). Where should I attach the hoist? I'd rather not take the head off until I get to class. Can I attach the chain to a manifold stud and then something on the opposite front side (alternator bracket for example)? Thanks! Matthew... --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From graemes at internode.on.net Mon Mar 24 21:26:53 2008 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:56:53 +1030 Subject: [Roadsters] Update on Engine Rebuild In-Reply-To: <150344.50778.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <019801c88d1e$ac279670$6402a8c0@gaxp1> <150344.50778.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c88e30$76006190$426fa8c0@desktop> "I don't have any engine lift points on my block (that I can see). Where should I attach the hoist? I'd rather not take the head off until I get to class. Can I attach the chain to a manifold stud and then something on the opposite front side (alternator bracket for example)?" I would suggest a sling, going under the engine and cradling it completely. Use either a chain, a long seat belt or tow rope. You can still position it around engine hardware to keep it in the right position but I wouldn't trust any fasteners for lifting out the engine and gearbox. Least of all a manifold stud, they tend to crystallize with age and heat and become VERY brittle. [These should all be renewed during the rebuild] If you can, try to use a Load Leveller on the hoist. This device will allow you to alter the load lifting point via screw adjustment so the angle of the load can be changed. Helpful to get the engine and 'box to clear the body work. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1340 - Release Date: 23/03/2008 6:50 PM From aultgc at att.net Mon Mar 24 21:35:28 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:35:28 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Update on Engine Rebuild References: <150344.50778.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c88e31$a7642900$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Matthew, I understand that the Nissan Shop Manual and Parts Manual are both available for download at 311s.org. You need to look at the 1600 head section, which shows the configuration and location of the lifting brackets. If that doesn't work for you, you may contact me off-list and I'll scan and E-mail you the appropriate page(s). Gary Ault aultgc at att.net (219) 322-1923 (Central Time) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Cox" To: "roadster list" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:13 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Update on Engine Rebuild > Hey everyone! Thanks for all the comments on my "dilemma." They really > helped me with my decision! > > I decided to rebuild the running 3-main engine in my driver (numbers > matching). It finally came down to what would I most like to spend money > on, an engine that I know I'm going to keep, or an engine that I may have > to get rid of. Also, I don't know the condition of my spare engines, so > the expense could be huge, whereas extra money can be spent on the runner > on performance upgrades instead of doing major repairs (let's hope). > > Anyway, thanks again for the opinions. Everything was helpful! > > Quick question... I don't have any engine lift points on my block (that I > can see). Where should I attach the hoist? I'd rather not take the head > off until I get to class. Can I attach the chain to a manifold stud and > then something on the opposite front side (alternator bracket for > example)? > > Thanks! > > Matthew... > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From Keith0alan at aol.com Mon Mar 24 21:35:55 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:35:55 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2008 4:52:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com writes: Hi I looked, but didn't find. Could someone please send a link to the procedure on setting up SU carbs on a 2000? I just can't recall how, though it has only been 30 years since the last time I did it.... I have the idle setting on each carb, and an air flow meter, but I can't recall how to do the higher speed mixture setting. JimG 1969 2k Jim, Check the 311s.org wiki tech section. My "still not quite done" carb tuning link is there now. The quick rundown is: Set the idle airflow balance with the idle speed screws found down by the throttle shafts. Using the service screw raise the engine speed to 2000 rpm. Set the high speed airflow balance with the screw on the bar connecting the two carbs. Lower the speed to idle and double check the idle balance. Using the service screw again raise the engine speed back to 2000 rpm. Adjust the mixture knobs to achieve maximum rpm. If it starts to get too high back off the service screw to 2000 rpm. To check the mixture: if you raise the slide a little and the engine speeds up, that carb is rich and the mixture knob needs to be turned in raising the nozzle. With a little practice you can push the slide down a little. If the engine speeds up that carb is lean and the mixture knob needs to be turned out lowering the nozzle. At the correct setting lowering or raising the slide will slow the engine. Lower the engine speed back to idle by backing out the service screw. At this point you are likely to need to readjust the idle speed. Do this with the idle speed screws making sure to verify that the air flow remains balanced. The idle mixture can be checked using the slide raise and lower trick. It should be correct. If it's not too far off call it good. If it's way rich you could have worn needles and nozzles. If it's rich or lean enough that you want to do something about it the needle can be slid out a few thousanths of an inch to lean or in a few to richen. This also effects the high speed mixture but not very much. The promary effect is at idle. Once you get to this point it is time to road test. If you get stumbles at cruise you are a little lean, riched by about 1/4 turn. Check the plugs, if carboned lean by about 1/4 turn. A couple tries and it should be dialed in. If you stumble when you floor it the dash pot oil is low or too thin. Normally use about a 10w oil, atf works fine. If that isn't thick enough motorcycle fork oil works and is available in lots of weights. Once you get up to 20w or higher single weight engine oil works. That should cover most of the points. Let me know if you have any questions. keith "the slow carb guy" williams **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Mon Mar 24 22:56:06 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:56:06 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Update on Engine Rebuild In-Reply-To: <000b01c88e30$76006190$426fa8c0@desktop> References: <019801c88d1e$ac279670$6402a8c0@gaxp1> <150344.50778.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000b01c88e30$76006190$426fa8c0@desktop> Message-ID: there should be two lifting points on a engine block - both exterior (sort of slotted loops) - one unfortunately attached to a head bolt(rear i believe) and the other attached to a point to the right of the thermostat tower - these make lifting the engine out a relative breeze ( i know, i have r&r'd the engine over 4 times in my 5 speed transmission swap - ya got to get a leveller - ya gotta remove radiator, the grill and the grill support - more clearance and less damage from 'oops' it's not such a biggie on the removal but on the reinstall ya need the flexibility that a leveller offers - harbor freight has a relatively cheap and effective one (how many times are you hopefully going to use it anyway) i have r&r'd an engine using a rope - but it was a real PITA my 2c peter ---------------------------------------- > From: graemes at internode.on.net > To: oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:56:53 +1030 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Update on Engine Rebuild > > "I don't have any engine lift points on my block (that I can see). Where > should I attach the hoist? I'd rather not take the head off until I get to > class. Can I attach the chain to a manifold stud and then something on the > opposite front side (alternator bracket for example)?" > > I would suggest a sling, going under the engine and cradling it completely. > Use either a chain, a long seat belt or tow rope. > You can still position it around engine hardware to keep it in the right > position but I wouldn't trust any fasteners for lifting out the engine and > gearbox. > Least of all a manifold stud, they tend to crystallize with age and heat and > become VERY brittle. > [These should all be renewed during the rebuild] > If you can, try to use a Load Leveller on the hoist. > This device will allow you to alter the load lifting point via screw > adjustment so the angle of the load can be changed. > Helpful to get the engine and 'box to clear the body work. > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1340 - Release Date: 23/03/2008 > 6:50 PM From 9laser3 at bright.net Tue Mar 25 03:17:14 2008 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:17:14 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup In-Reply-To: <56735.17847.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <56735.17847.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c88e61$66b3cb10$341b6130$@net> The Hitachi-SU Tech Pages http://www.jetlink.net/~okayfine/sutech.html This site has always been helpful to me. Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters- Hi I looked, but didn't find. Could someone please send a link to the procedure on setting up SU carbs on a 2000? From fred.davidson at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 25 05:01:16 2008 From: fred.davidson at sympatico.ca (Fred Davidson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:01:16 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] NGK Plugs Message-ID: <000b01c88e6f$f1fb2020$1e76e2d1@DDBHLZ81> Hi Folks; Last year I contacted NGK for a recommendation based on my '69 2000, which is running solexes, B cam, Gary Boone distributor and MSD. I was running NGK BPR6ES with little problems. At their recommendation I am running BPR6EGP (G-Power) with great results after about 4000 miles. This may not apply to your situation though. Here is their answer! Fred Davidson '69 SRL 311 "The BPR6ES is actually one heat range colder than the recommended BPR5ES. The only advantage to going to the hotter plug is it could last longer by not allowing carbon to accumulate and stay cleaner throughout the life of the plug which could result in slightly better throttle response, gas, mileage, etc. Being that this is a carbureted application and you do have some modifications done you are probably fine running the BPR6ES. The v-power, g-power and iridium IX will all make a noticeable difference in the vehicle and also extend service life. The most cost effective option would be to switch to the BPR6EGP (G-Power) as its smaller center firing electrode will help improve performance and efficiency and typically will not need to be serviced or checked till 30,000 miles. The top of the line plug is the IX iridium BPR6EIX which also features a taper cut ground electrode to extend performance even more and also to help resist fouling. It has a longer service life of 40,000 miles. Hope this helps, thank you. Technical Support Representative, Aftermarket Division, NGK Spark Plugs (U.S.A.), INC." From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 13:53:18 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <140007.96363.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks all. I'll get to this as soon as I can. but frankly in 35 F weather I am not that interested in fiddling with carbs after work. Tomorrow is warmer. Jim peter harrison wrote: Hi On the intake maifold there are two set screws - one on each set - i have been told that they are there for balancing/assessing the intake airflow - anyone aware of the reality of this statement and the appropriate tools Peter ---------------------------------------- > From: aultgc at att.net > To: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:23:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Carb Setup > > Jim, > > I have always set the mixture at idle, then balanced the carbs at higher > speed, which is consistent with the Nissan shop manual. I believe adjusting > the mixture at speed (after adjusting it at idle) would screw up the idle, > since there's only one adjustment I'm aware of. > > Anyone else care to weigh in? > > Gary Ault > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Gammon" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:51 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup > > > > Hi > > > > I looked, but didn't find. > > > > Could someone please send a link to the procedure on setting up SU carbs > > on a 2000? > > > > I just can't recall how, though it has only been 30 years since the last > > time I did it.... > > > > I have the idle setting on each carb, and an air flow meter, but I can't > > recall how to do the higher speed mixture setting. > > > > JimG 1969 2k > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as granvillecomputing at hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ppeters914 at comcast.net Tue Mar 25 14:34:48 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:34:48 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup Message-ID: <032520082134.7371.47E96FF80006ECCF00001CCB2200735834CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> There was a recent discussion on the list and/or 311s.org regarding those holes. Sorry, but I don't feel like searching the archives myself. IIRC, they're casting bosses that are plugged with screws at the end of the manufacturing process. I don't remember if someone had tried using them to tune the SU's with a manometer or not. I do know that several folks have used the smog ports on the later model 1600 heads to hook up a manometer, though that doesn't do a 2000 owner much good. :--( Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- > peter harrison wrote: > > > Hi > > On the intake maifold there are two set screws - one on each set - i have been > told that they are there for balancing/assessing the intake airflow - anyone > aware of the reality of this statement and the appropriate tools > > Peter > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: aultgc at att.net > > To: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:23:11 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Carb Setup > > > > Jim, > > > > I have always set the mixture at idle, then balanced the carbs at higher > > speed, which is consistent with the Nissan shop manual. I believe adjusting > > the mixture at speed (after adjusting it at idle) would screw up the idle, > > since there's only one adjustment I'm aware of. > > > > Anyone else care to weigh in? > > > > Gary Ault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Gammon" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:51 PM > > Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I looked, but didn't find. > > > > > > Could someone please send a link to the procedure on setting up SU carbs > > > on a 2000? > > > > > > I just can't recall how, though it has only been 30 years since the last > > > time I did it.... > > > > > > I have the idle setting on each carb, and an air flow meter, but I can't > > > recall how to do the higher speed mixture setting. > > > > > > JimG 1969 2k > > > ________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as granvillecomputing at hotmail.com > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From Keith0alan at aol.com Tue Mar 25 15:49:49 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:49:49 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Carb Setup Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/2008 2:35:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ppeters914 at comcast.net writes: > Hi > > On the intake maifold there are two set screws - one on each set - i have been > told that they are there for balancing/assessing the intake airflow - anyone > aware of the reality of this statement and the appropriate tools > > Peter > On the late cars these are used for smog stuff. On the early they are plugged. I think they are originally casting holes to support the core. Recently I acquired a low pressure differential manometer and plan to try using it to set the carb airflow balance. Like several other projects, I haven't gotten to it yet. I might throw it in the kit for Road Atlanta and will have it at Shasta. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 17:12:20 2008 From: oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com (Matthew Cox) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] QUICK question on shifter removal! Message-ID: <693703.81476.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello everyone! I am pulling my engine RIGHT NOW and can't figure out how to get the shifter off the tranny... Any help? (I already got the knob and rubber boot) Matthew 67 1600 --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 17:41:56 2008 From: oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com (Matthew Cox) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] QUICK question on shifter removal! In-Reply-To: <400102.53680.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <621123.84793.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the replies everyone. Got it off! Next question... Transmission mounting bracket. The two bolts just seem to keep spinning... What am I missing? Matthew 67 1600 --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From tom at datsun2000.com Tue Mar 25 20:49:35 2008 From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Link to Fred Katz top-folding instructions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Take a look at Fred's home page. The top info is near the bottom. The rest is good reading. Tom 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:09 AM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Link to Fred Katz top-folding instructions? Is there still a link to Fred Katz's lesson on top-folding anywhere on the net? Some of us gearing up for the Iron Bottom have not done it in a while (2+ years in my case), and while I remember the pics, describing it to someone else left me a bit challenged. Fergus O ____________ From hallosb at juno.com Tue Mar 25 21:39:43 2008 From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:39:43 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Victory - Another Roadster lives Message-ID: <20080325.213943.23999.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> I fired up the Roadster for the first time today in many years. Pulling the distributor and priming the oil pump was a pain but, it sure makes setting the points easy. You just spin it to the high point on the cam lobe right there in your hands. I must have had the timing and carb set-up pretty close because it was no struggle at all to start and it idled nicely. Oil pressure looked good. There was a nasty rattle, though. I suspected the water pump so, I disconnected the fan belt. Noise went away. I shut it down, grabbed the fan blade, and noticed lots of play in the water pump shaft. So, looks like I'll need a replacement. I still have a very long way to go but, the sound of the engine sure provides inspiration. With any luck, I'll have the old Roadster back on the road, again. Thanks to all on the list. I can't even count the number of times this list has helped me solve a problem I couldn't figure out. Dan McHatton '66 1600 _____________________________________________________________ Get a Sports Medicine Degree. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiglW4Lo7VCLb8YDguXfdm9wBKrd to2Ds148d6aFwJV7ckK3M/ From roadster at astound.net Tue Mar 25 22:57:10 2008 From: roadster at astound.net (Fred Katz) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:57:10 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Link to Fred Katz top-folding instructions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <021F84C1-9215-4E75-B297-DA8CB8E95EE2@astound.net> Hi, Sorry about the missing link (no, not me, the top-folding link). I had it posted on the Sony ImageStation picture hosting site, and Sony shut down those services in February this year. I'll dig thru my archives and repost the pictures elsewhere. Also, I shut down my personal website maybe 4 years ago, but will open another later this year. Meanwhile, reference these pictures of Gerardo Magana folding a top in a similar manner: http://www.311s.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4628 Fred Katz - So.SF, CA (new email roadster at astound.net) On Mar 25, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Tom @ Datsun2000 wrote: > Take a look at Fred's home page. The top info is near the bottom. > The rest > is good reading. > > Tom > 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde > Portland > http://www.datsun2000.com > http://www.nowroc.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:09 AM > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Link to Fred Katz top-folding instructions? > > > Is there still a link to Fred Katz's lesson on top-folding anywhere on > the net? > Some of us gearing up for the Iron Bottom have not done it in a while > (2+ years in my case), and while I remember the pics, describing it to > someone else left me a bit challenged. > > Fergus O From konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com Tue Mar 25 23:25:37 2008 From: konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com (David R. Conrad) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:25:37 -1000 Subject: [Roadsters] Torque for Valve Cover... Message-ID: <7290C0EC-FAFD-11DC-8809-000A27DC00A0@hawaii.rr.com> Anyone know of a good 'ball park' value of correct torque for the two 11/16ths nuts for the valve cover of an SPL 311, R-16? (new gasket, carefully cut from 1/8th" thick NAPA rubberized cork, leaks with 5 ft-lbs, but I don't want to crack cover!) Thanks, Dave '68 1600 Kailua-Kona From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 00:52:43 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:52:43 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] QUICK question on shifter removal! In-Reply-To: <621123.84793.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <400102.53680.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <621123.84793.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What am I missing ? From fairlady66 at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 05:41:36 2008 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:41:36 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay Message-ID: Cool car. 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Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay Inc. is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 26 05:41:58 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:41:58 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Torque for Valve Cover... References: <7290C0EC-FAFD-11DC-8809-000A27DC00A0@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <001c01c88f3f$4ee94080$800101df@garage.local> i know the feeling! i just kept tightening it, a little at a time, until it sealed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Conrad" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Torque for Valve Cover... > Anyone know of a good 'ball park' value of correct torque for the two > 11/16ths nuts for the valve cover of an SPL 311, R-16? (new gasket, > carefully cut from 1/8th" thick NAPA rubberized cork, leaks with 5 > ft-lbs, but I don't want to crack cover!) > > Thanks, > Dave > '68 1600 > Kailua-Kona From ruth at earlydatsun.com Wed Mar 26 06:01:22 2008 From: ruth at earlydatsun.com (Ruth) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:01:22 +1000 Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41371CB4-B7B9-47D2-9556-EABAFFEB2F94@earlydatsun.com> The grill does look a bit shonky, but it's the right one. The grill always indicated the engine size (in this case 1600). He did say he rode in the back seat, or his friend did. But a small child in the early 70's could have been on the parcel shelf and misconstrued that as sitting in the back seat. He's taken the butt-ugly reflectors off the back too - you can see the holes where they used to be. Other than that (and the luggage rack) it looks like a very nice original car. Ruth On 26/03/2008, at 10:41 PM, Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: > Cool car. > Does this Grill look like it fits to you? Is this the right Grill > for this > year? Look like it is for an older model. > > Did he say he rode in the Back Seat??? From tputland at charter.net Wed Mar 26 06:24:09 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 6:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080326092409.UQHQL.7855.root@fepweb15> Wasn't this car on ebay just a couple weeks ago? And someone pointed out that it doesn't look like original paint based on the (Now Missing) pictures of the trunk that showed quite a lot of rust? I also seem to remember other reasons that were voiced to debunk what is claimed to be a one owner car. Or is my memory getting more worse than I remember? ;-) Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: ============= Cool car. Does this Grill look like it fits to you? Is this the right Grill for this year? Look like it is for an older model. Did he say he rode in the Back Seat??? From twobeaners at earthlink.net Wed Mar 26 07:37:01 2008 From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:37:01 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay References: <20080326092409.UQHQL.7855.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <003d01c88f4e$db177db0$6500a8c0@lap> I think this is the one that sold for something like $8200? It's the same add but, unless I missed it, the picture of the open trunk with rust showing underneathe and around the trunk mat is now gone. This is a funky deal! Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Chris & Christy Breyer" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay > Wasn't this car on ebay just a couple weeks ago? > > And someone pointed out that it doesn't look like original paint based on the (Now Missing) pictures of the trunk that showed quite a lot of rust? > > I also seem to remember other reasons that were voiced to debunk what is claimed to be a one owner car. > > Or is my memory getting more worse than I remember? ;-) > > Tim > Belleville, WI. > '70 SPL AND SRL > Still clueless but always learning > > ---- Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: > > ============= > Cool car. > Does this Grill look like it fits to you? Is this the right Grill for this > year? Look like it is for an older model. > > Did he say he rode in the Back Seat??? > ________________________________________ From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 26 06:42:25 2008 From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In-Reply-To: <41371CB4-B7B9-47D2-9556-EABAFFEB2F94@earlydatsun.com> Message-ID: <952313.97537.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They may be "butt-ugly", but they are of an effective size, and they are original. I'd rather have the reflectors there than the open holes where the mounting screws used to be. Too bad about the cheesy alloy wheels, too... Gary McCormick '70 2000 SRL311-13291 San Jose, CA Ruth wrote: He's taken the butt-ugly reflectors off the back too - you can see the holes where they used to be. From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 06:55:53 2008 From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Torque for Valve Cover... In-Reply-To: <7290C0EC-FAFD-11DC-8809-000A27DC00A0@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <85610.95151.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yeah, don't do it! Nice and snug by hand. You'll know if it's not quite tight enough. because it will leak. I torqued to specs and cracked my cover. Finding a replacement (that's in good shape, for a reasonable price) is not that easy. Patti "David R. Conrad" wrote: Anyone know of a good 'ball park' value of correct torque for the two 11/16ths nuts for the valve cover of an SPL 311, R-16? (new gasket, carefully cut from 1/8th" thick NAPA rubberized cork, leaks with 5 ft-lbs, but I don't want to crack cover!) Thanks, Dave '68 1600 Kailua-Kona You are subscribed as fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From Keith0alan at aol.com Wed Mar 26 06:56:28 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:56:28 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Torque for Valve Cover... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/2008 11:26:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com writes: Anyone know of a good 'ball park' value of correct torque for the two 11/16ths nuts for the valve cover of an SPL 311, R-16? (new gasket, carefully cut from 1/8th" thick NAPA rubberized cork, leaks with 5 ft-lbs, but I don't want to crack cover!) Thanks, Dave '68 1600 Kailua-Kona Aloha Dave! Here's the trick. Get some "yellow death" super strength weather strip adhesive. (a good car parts place will know what "yellow death weather strip adhesive" is, 3M and I think Permatex make versions of it. Glue the gasket to the cover. Make sure and get the lip of the cover clean so it sticks will. Get some Permatex red spray on gasket adhesive. After the glue sets holding the gasket to the cover then spray the red stuff on the gasket face that mates with the head. Put the cover on before the red stuff dries. Tighten the nuts till they seat then just snug, one turn at the most. You should see no more than a small amount of deformation of the cover. The gasket is now perminantly attached to the cover and will not shrink or wander around. The red spray seals the other side. This way you have no leaks with minimum torque on the bo lts. In order to revove the cover take the nuts off and tap the side of the cover with a soft hammer. This will pop loose the red stuff. To reinstall either just put it back on or spray a little more red stuff. I've had my cover off a number of times and the gasket is still in place and in good condition. If you don't glue the gasket to the cover it squishes out, shrinks and is hard to keep sealed. Over tightening the cover will distort it making it leak more. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From fred.davidson at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 26 07:13:20 2008 From: fred.davidson at sympatico.ca (Fred Davidson) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:13:20 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] NGK Plugs In-Reply-To: <004c01c88ee5$2716f4d0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Message-ID: <000301c88f4b$905778f0$1476e2d1@DDBHLZ81> Hi Gary: Here is the website on MSD - www.msdignition.com/ Fred -----Original Message----- From: Gary and Cindy Ault [mailto:aultgc at att.net] Sent: March 25, 2008 10:00 PM To: Fred Davidson Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NGK Plugs Fred, For the unenlightened such as me, "MSD" is ??? Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Davidson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: [Roadsters] NGK Plugs > Hi Folks; > > > > Last year I contacted NGK for a recommendation based on my '69 2000, which > is running solexes, B cam, Gary Boone distributor and MSD. I was running > NGK > BPR6ES with little problems. At their recommendation I am running BPR6EGP > (G-Power) with great results after about 4000 miles. This may not apply to > your situation though. Here is their answer! > > > > Fred Davidson > > '69 SRL 311 > > > > > > "The BPR6ES is actually one heat range colder than the recommended BPR5ES. > The only advantage to going to the hotter plug is it could last longer by > not allowing carbon to accumulate and stay cleaner throughout the life of > the plug which could result in slightly better throttle response, gas, > mileage, etc. > > > > Being that this is a carbureted application and you do have some > modifications done you are probably fine running the BPR6ES. The v-power, > g-power and iridium IX will all make a noticeable difference in the > vehicle > and also extend service life. The most cost effective option would be to > switch to the BPR6EGP (G-Power) as its smaller center firing electrode > will > help improve performance and efficiency and typically will not need to be > serviced or checked till 30,000 miles. > > > > The top of the line plug is the IX iridium BPR6EIX which also features a > taper cut ground electrode to extend performance even more and also to > help > resist fouling. It has a longer service life of 40,000 miles. Hope this > helps, thank you. > > > > Technical Support Representative, Aftermarket Division, NGK Spark Plugs > (U.S.A.), INC." > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From jrdmf at aol.com Wed Mar 26 09:12:44 2008 From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:12:44 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA5D735B9F3F94-8EC-5213@webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com> In the earlier days of ebay you could just look at the bid history and figure out if the seller was using shill bidders but in an effort to curb fraud (and to protect their one directional money flow) they no longer give us that option. I'm not saying he did use a shill bidder but I'm always suspicious when I see an item show up again and the seller makes no effort to explain why? Jon Frampton Huntington Beach -----Original Message----- From: Chris & Christy Breyer To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 5:41 am Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay Cool car. Does this Grill look like it fits to you? Is this the right Grill for this year? Look like it is for an older model. Did he say he rode in the Back Seat??? From aultgc at att.net Wed Mar 26 11:07:02 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay Message-ID: <150647.51998.qm@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In the early '70s, my young daughter rode on the parcel shelf of my '66 1600. No seat belt, etc. We were lucky we were never in an accident or incident. My, how times have changed. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ---- From: Ruth Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:01:22 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay The grill does look a bit shonky, but it's the right one. The grill always indicated the engine size (in this case 1600). He did say he rode in the back seat, or his friend did. But a small child in the early 70's could have been on the parcel shelf and misconstrued that as sitting in the back seat. He's taken the butt-ugly reflectors off the back too - you can see the holes where they used to be. Other than that (and the luggage rack) it looks like a very nice original car. Ruth On 26/03/2008, at 10:41 PM, Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: > Cool car. > Does this Grill look like it fits to you? Is this the right Grill > for this > year? Look like it is for an older model. > > Did he say he rode in the Back Seat??? You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Wed Mar 26 11:12:33 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay Message-ID: <10516.37678.qm@web83828.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Did it actually sell? Or fail to achieve a reserve? Looks like the same ad by the same person -- just without the incriminating trunk photo. I'm not sure whether the seller knows the car has been repainted, but I don't know how he/she could not. If the seller is trying to construe this car as "original" from a paint standpoint, I wonder what else he/she is not disclosing. I see some guy from Germany is considering the car. There is/was what appears to be a much nicer '69 2000 with a Buy it Now price of ~$13,000. It looks like a much safer bet to me. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike H. To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:37:01 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay I think this is the one that sold for something like $8200? It's the same add but, unless I missed it, the picture of the open trunk with rust showing underneathe and around the trunk mat is now gone. This is a funky deal! Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Chris & Christy Breyer" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay > Wasn't this car on ebay just a couple weeks ago? > > And someone pointed out that it doesn't look like original paint based on the (Now Missing) pictures of the trunk that showed quite a lot of rust? > > I also seem to remember other reasons that were voiced to debunk what is claimed to be a one owner car. > > Or is my memory getting more worse than I remember? ;-) > > Tim > Belleville, WI. > '70 SPL AND SRL > Still clueless but always learning > > ---- Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: > > ============= > Cool car. > Does this Grill look like it fits to you? Is this the right Grill for this > year? Look like it is for an older model. > > Did he say he rode in the Back Seat??? > ________________________________________ You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From andycost at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 26 13:48:24 2008 From: andycost at embarqmail.com (andycost at embarqmail.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In-Reply-To: <150647.51998.qm@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26908381.1502381206564504745.JavaMail.root@md01.embarq.synacor.com> I rode in the back of a bugeye sprite and a GT6 in the early 70's. It was a different time. I had a booster seat for the Fairlane 500 that wasn't for safety but so that I cold see out. We didn't have or use seat belts and at least a few times I ended up in the floorboard of the Ghia convertible. My dad sure had some cool cars. Too bad I was too young to remember. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "Ruth" Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:07:02 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In the early '70s, my young daughter rode on the parcel shelf of my '66 1600. No seat belt, etc. We were lucky we were never in an accident or incident. My, how times have changed. Gary Ault From BARTERDUDE at aol.com Wed Mar 26 13:58:23 2008 From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:58:23 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay Message-ID: Hey Guys - don't forget the early Fairlady's had THREE SEATS. There is one in the back sitting sideways. We call it the mother-in-lay seat. Gary In a message dated 3/26/2008 2:48:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, andycost at embarqmail.com writes: I rode in the back of a bugeye sprite and a GT6 in the early 70's. It was a different time. I had a booster seat for the Fairlane 500 that wasn't for safety but so that I cold see out. We didn't have or use seat belts and at least a few times I ended up in the floorboard of the Ghia convertible. My dad sure had some cool cars. Too bad I was too young to remember. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "Ruth" Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:07:02 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In the early '70s, my young daughter rode on the parcel shelf of my '66 1600. No seat belt, etc. We were lucky we were never in an accident or incident. My, how times have changed. Gary Ault You are subscribed as barterdude at aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jrdmf at aol.com Wed Mar 26 14:38:53 2008 From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:38:53 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA5DA0EBD2B3E1-B0C-D8B@webmail-nf02.sysops.aol.com> The only acceptable "Mother in Law seat" in my car would have to be wired up to a couple thousand volts and have a direct line to the Governer! Jon Frampton Huntington Beach -----Original Message----- From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com To: andycost at embarqmail.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 1:58 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay Hey Guys - don't forget the early Fairlady's had THREE SEATS. There is one in the back sitting sideways. We call it the mother-in-lay seat. Gary From daveandlindab at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 16:02:23 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:02:23 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01a701c88f95$742a08b0$6600a8c0@delled48909442> Grille may be a little tweaked, the bumperguards are distorting the photo. Cool car, I LIKE the wheels, anyone know what kind they are? Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Chris & Christy Breyer [mailto:fairlady66 at gmail.com] Cool car. Does this Grill look like it fits to you? Is this the right Grill for this year? Look like it is for an older model. ------------------------------ From daveandlindab at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 16:29:07 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Torque for Valve Cover... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01a801c88f99$2faec410$6600a8c0@delled48909442> Keith is right on about that. It's 3m super Weatherstrip adhesive, local name Gorilla Snot. The red stuff sounds like Permatex HiTack. Dave Brisco ECR Keith Wrote Aloha Dave! Here's the trick. Get some "yellow death" super strength weather strip adhesive. (a good car parts place will know what "yellow death weather strip adhesive" is, 3M and I think Permatex make versions of it. Glue the gasket to the cover. ... keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aol hom00030000000001) From daveandlindab at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 16:34:44 2008 From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:34:44 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] NGK Plugs In-Reply-To: <000301c88f4b$905778f0$1476e2d1@DDBHLZ81> Message-ID: <01a901c88f99$f88f2c80$6600a8c0@delled48909442> MSD, Multiple Spark Discharge. It's a capacitive discharge ignition box, it can be triggered by points, electronic, just about anything. It gives you something like 300+ volts to the coil, instead of the stock 6-8 volts. It can be a big improvement, also have been reputed to occasionally die suddenly without warning. Nice hot spark, will jump a HUGE gap. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Fred Davidson [mailto:fred.davidson at sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:13 AM To: 'Gary and Cindy Ault' Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NGK Plugs Hi Gary: Here is the website on MSD - www.msdignition.com/ Fred -----Original Message----- From: Gary and Cindy Ault [mailto:aultgc at att.net] Sent: March 25, 2008 10:00 PM To: Fred Davidson Subject: Re: [Roadsters] NGK Plugs Fred, For the unenlightened such as me, "MSD" is ??? Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Davidson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: [Roadsters] NGK Plugs > Hi Folks; > > > > Last year I contacted NGK for a recommendation based on my '69 2000, which > is running solexes, B cam, Gary Boone distributor and MSD. I was running > NGK > BPR6ES with little problems. At their recommendation I am running BPR6EGP > (G-Power) with great results after about 4000 miles. This may not apply to > your situation though. Here is their answer! > > > > Fred Davidson > > '69 SRL 311 > > > > > > "The BPR6ES is actually one heat range colder than the recommended BPR5ES. > The only advantage to going to the hotter plug is it could last longer by > not allowing carbon to accumulate and stay cleaner throughout the life of > the plug which could result in slightly better throttle response, gas, > mileage, etc. > > > > Being that this is a carbureted application and you do have some > modifications done you are probably fine running the BPR6ES. The v-power, > g-power and iridium IX will all make a noticeable difference in the > vehicle > and also extend service life. The most cost effective option would be to > switch to the BPR6EGP (G-Power) as its smaller center firing electrode > will > help improve performance and efficiency and typically will not need to be > serviced or checked till 30,000 miles. > > > > The top of the line plug is the IX iridium BPR6EIX which also features a > taper cut ground electrode to extend performance even more and also to > help > resist fouling. It has a longer service life of 40,000 miles. Hope this > helps, thank you. > > > > Technical Support Representative, Aftermarket Division, NGK Spark Plugs > (U.S.A.), INC." > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From slowboy at cox.net Wed Mar 26 17:52:21 2008 From: slowboy at cox.net (SlowBoy) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:52:21 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Have you seen this item on eBay References: <8CA5DA0EBD2B3E1-B0C-D8B@webmail-nf02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c88fa4$d09e4160$8b01a8c0@m7170n> What he said! ----- Original Message ----- From: > The only acceptable "Mother in Law seat" in my car would have to be wired > up to a couple thousand volts and have a direct line to the Governer! > > > > Jon Frampton > > Huntington Beach From tomet9 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 26 18:04:02 2008 From: tomet9 at sbcglobal.net (Tom PRATHER) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Yokohama S.Drive Message-ID: <814836.1973.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Anyone driving on these tires? I've been looking for some Yoko AVS ES 100 but they seem to be discontinued and replaced by S.Drive. Wondered, are they really any better? Searching for 195x50x15's. Any inputs appreciated. Actually any sticky tire that won't bust the wallet. Falkens are nice but none in my size. Tom From aultgc at att.net Wed Mar 26 18:55:28 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:55:28 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Torque for Valve Cover... References: <7290C0EC-FAFD-11DC-8809-000A27DC00A0@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c88fad$a1e47fc0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Dave, The original cork gasket I have for a 1600 is more like 3/16-inches thick. You shouldn't need much torque to seal this baby. I understand the U20 cam cover is easier to crack, and all I do with that is grip my ratchet right at the head, and hand tighten. Pretty much what Patti said. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Conrad" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Torque for Valve Cover... > Anyone know of a good 'ball park' value of correct torque for the two > 11/16ths nuts for the valve cover of an SPL 311, R-16? (new gasket, > carefully cut from 1/8th" thick NAPA rubberized cork, leaks with 5 > ft-lbs, but I don't want to crack cover!) > > Thanks, > Dave > '68 1600 > Kailua-Kona > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 19:01:19 2008 From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Victory - Another Roadster lives In-Reply-To: <20080325.213943.23999.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <840285.99865.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> HOORAY!!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! GOOD JOB, DAN!!! WAY TO GO!!!! --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From haabu at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 26 19:13:36 2008 From: haabu at sbcglobal.net (Herb Petty) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Tires Message-ID: <68065.19965.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello List, I'm running 195-50-15 Falkens on a 1966 spl / with panasport wheels. The falkens handle just fine. I believe anyone would be happy with them, & the price is right ! Herb Petty Modesto, Ca. From graemes at internode.on.net Wed Mar 26 23:47:29 2008 From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:17:29 +1030 Subject: [Roadsters] Victory - Another Roadster lives In-Reply-To: <20080325.213943.23999.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080325.213943.23999.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001c88fd6$6d2a9660$426fa8c0@desktop> Sorry, I must have missed this! CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Don't you just love it when they come back from a coma? It is great to hear that you are making progress. "I fired up the Roadster for the first time today in many years. Pulling the distributor and priming the oil pump was a pain but, it sure makes setting the points easy. You just spin it to the high point on the cam lobe right there in your hands. I must have had the timing and carb set-up pretty close because it was no struggle at all to start and it idled nicely. Oil pressure looked good. There was a nasty rattle, though. I suspected the water pump so, I disconnected the fan belt. Noise went away. I shut it down, grabbed the fan blade, and noticed lots of play in the water pump shaft. So, looks like I'll need a replacement. I still have a very long way to go but, the sound of the engine sure provides inspiration. With any luck, I'll have the old Roadster back on the road, again. Thanks to all on the list. I can't even count the number of times this list has helped me solve a problem I couldn't figure out. Dan McHatton '66 1600 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1345 - Release Date: 26/03/2008 6:50 PM From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Thu Mar 27 08:32:04 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:32:04 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Tires In-Reply-To: <68065.19965.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <68065.19965.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8901f$b5969630$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> What model Falkens? -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gogineni.alvin=gene.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gogineni.alvin=gene.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Herb Petty Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:14 PM To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Tires Hello List, I'm running 195-50-15 Falkens on a 1966 spl / with panasport wheels. The falkens handle just fine. I believe anyone would be happy with them, & the price is right ! Herb Petty Modesto, Ca. You are subscribed as gogineni.alvin at gene.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From haabu at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 27 09:23:42 2008 From: haabu at sbcglobal.net (Herb Petty) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Tyres Message-ID: <875627.78378.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, At the present time, I'm running the Falken Zeiks. I dearly love the A-008 Yoko's, bui I havn't been able to find them for some time. I'm always concerned about rear tyre / wheel clearence, as I refuse to cut or roll the orignal body. 67.5-70 roadsters have alittle more clearence ! With my present set up, I have about 1/2" clearence on each side, & this is running comp. suspension all around, using K.Y.B. white-body shocks. ( gas adjust ) A great day to all, Herb Petty. 1966 spl From gerardomagana at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 27 09:59:47 2008 From: gerardomagana at sbcglobal.net (Gerardo Magana) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:59:47 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan Message-ID: Hello all, Just wanted to share with you some pictures sent to me by my good friend Takeshi in Japan. These are of recent roadster events. Later, Gerardo http://www.geocities.jp/kensun5000com/albumtmf2008.html From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 10:18:42 2008 From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan Message-ID: <362337.6715.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> very cool. anyone know where i can get some of those aero headlight covers shown on the red car with the stripe? and all (or nearly all) of the cars with aftermarket wheels, have pretty much the same "panasport" design. why is that? s 675MIZU ----- Original Message ---- From: Gerardo Magana To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:59:47 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan Hello all, Just wanted to share with you some pictures sent to me by my good friend Takeshi in Japan. These are of recent roadster events. Later, Gerardo http://www.geocities.jp/kensun5000com/albumtmf2008.html You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov Thu Mar 27 10:23:00 2008 From: Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov (Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED03)) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan In-Reply-To: <362337.6715.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <362337.6715.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85597404D578FB4D8EB4E40AFBECDF767A911F@NDMSEVS33B.ndc.nasa.gov> Hey - I build some of those covers years ago. I just made a metal ring a little larger then the head light ring, cut a piece of Plexiglas (one foot square) and put it on a head light ring. Place in oven for 10 minutes at 250 and push the ring over it to form it around the head light ring -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+phillip.b.hall=nasa.gov at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+phillip.b.hall=nasa.gov at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steven boortz Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:19 PM To: Gerardo Magana; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan very cool. anyone know where i can get some of those aero headlight covers shown on the red car with the stripe? and all (or nearly all) of the cars with aftermarket wheels, have pretty much the same "panasport" design. why is that? s 675MIZU ----- Original Message ---- From: Gerardo Magana To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:59:47 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan Hello all, Just wanted to share with you some pictures sent to me by my good friend Takeshi in Japan. These are of recent roadster events. Later, Gerardo http://www.geocities.jp/kensun5000com/albumtmf2008.html You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com From fairlady66 at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 11:04:56 2008 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:04:56 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan In-Reply-To: <362337.6715.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <362337.6715.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And some of the cars have the steering wheel on the wrong side. :o) Very COOL though. On 3/27/08, steven boortz wrote: > > very cool. anyone know where i can get some of those aero headlight > covers shown on the red car with the stripe? > > and all (or nearly all) of the cars with aftermarket wheels, have pretty > much the same "panasport" design. why is that? > > s > 675MIZU > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gerardo Magana > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:59:47 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan > > Hello all, Just wanted to share with you some pictures sent to me by my > good > friend Takeshi in Japan. These are of recent roadster events. > Later, Gerardo > > > http://www.geocities.jp/kensun5000com/albumtmf2008.html > You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fairlady66 at gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. From tputland at charter.net Thu Mar 27 11:47:59 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:47:59 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080327144759.IHMMG.62337.root@fepweb06> I am rather surprised at the number of LHD Roadsters I see. I would have thought that there would be very few if any. -- Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: ============= And some of the cars have the steering wheel on the wrong side. :o) Very COOL though. On 3/27/08, steven boortz wrote: > > very cool. anyone know where i can get some of those aero headlight > covers shown on the red car with the stripe? > > and all (or nearly all) of the cars with aftermarket wheels, have pretty > much the same "panasport" design. why is that? > > s > 675MIZU > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gerardo Magana > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:59:47 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan > > Hello all, Just wanted to share with you some pictures sent to me by my > good > friend Takeshi in Japan. These are of recent roadster events. > Later, Gerardo > > > http://www.geocities.jp/kensun5000com/albumtmf2008.html > You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fairlady66 at gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. You are subscribed as tputland at charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tputland at charter.net Thu Mar 27 11:48:50 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:48:50 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080327144851.2H4X0.62379.root@fepweb06> I am rather surprised at the number of LHD Roadsters I see. I would have thought that there would be very few if any. -- Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: ============= And some of the cars have the steering wheel on the wrong side. :o) Very COOL though. On 3/27/08, steven boortz wrote: > > very cool. anyone know where i can get some of those aero headlight > covers shown on the red car with the stripe? > > and all (or nearly all) of the cars with aftermarket wheels, have pretty > much the same "panasport" design. why is that? > > s > 675MIZU > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gerardo Magana > To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:59:47 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan > > Hello all, Just wanted to share with you some pictures sent to me by my > good > friend Takeshi in Japan. These are of recent roadster events. > Later, Gerardo > > > http://www.geocities.jp/kensun5000com/albumtmf2008.html > You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fairlady66 at gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. You are subscribed as tputland at charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tputland at charter.net Thu Mar 27 11:51:36 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:51:36 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080327145136.QTAQE.62480.root@fepweb06> -- Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- Chris & Christy Breyer wrote: ============= And some of the cars have the steering wheel on the wrong side. :o) Very COOL though. From haabu at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 27 11:36:44 2008 From: haabu at sbcglobal.net (Herb Petty) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] wheels Message-ID: <15588.11347.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Many of the Japanese Roadsters run ( Watanabi ) wheels. These are very similar to the Panasports, which the Japanese call Formula One. Herb Petty 1966 spl 02856 From gogineni.alvin at gene.com Thu Mar 27 12:26:42 2008 From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan In-Reply-To: <362337.6715.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <362337.6715.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d501c89040$7cf66b90$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com> Most of them are running RS Watanabe, Black Racing, or similar JDM wheels. -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gogineni.alvin=gene.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gogineni.alvin=gene.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steven boortz Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:19 AM To: Gerardo Magana; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan very cool. anyone know where i can get some of those aero headlight covers shown on the red car with the stripe? and all (or nearly all) of the cars with aftermarket wheels, have pretty much the same "panasport" design. why is that? s 675MIZU ----- Original Message ---- From: Gerardo Magana To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:59:47 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan Hello all, Just wanted to share with you some pictures sent to me by my good friend Takeshi in Japan. These are of recent roadster events. Later, Gerardo http://www.geocities.jp/kensun5000com/albumtmf2008.html You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as gogineni.alvin at gene.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From funkaholik at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 12:38:32 2008 From: funkaholik at yahoo.com (Erik Miller) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Parts Car?? Message-ID: <752764.73999.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, Someone posted info about a low windshield parts car a few days ago and I mistakenly erased the message. Specifically, I am looking for an early dash assembly that is in Nice physical shape. Paint isn't important, and neither are guages. I plan on swapping the early dash (which I love) into my 70 Roadster (which I fit in) for the best of both worlds. Anyone have a nice, complete dash assembly they want to part with? Contact me off list at funkaholik at yahoo.com Thanks! --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 13:27:53 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper In-Reply-To: <752764.73999.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <583676.56759.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey, I was just wondering about my back bumper. The top is pretty rusty. To get a good finish, do you just have it rechromed, or do you need to smooth it out? Jim From slowboy at cox.net Thu Mar 27 14:22:02 2008 From: slowboy at cox.net (SlowBoy) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:22:02 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Parts Car?? References: <752764.73999.qm@web90615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c89050$99a1f290$8b01a8c0@m7170n> Folks, I have a parts car I'm ready to "part" with, ha ha. I was told it is a '66 1500. The engine block has "1500" stamped on it. The guy I got it from was planning on restoring it but it is in very poor condition. The engine was supposedly running before he parked it for good. I'm willing to cut up body parts as needed. There is no hood, both front fenders have the typical rusted out areas, the doors are usable, none of interior exists, the tires are rotted but the wheels are Western, 13" whatevers and may be salvageable. There is significant frame rust and deterioration. The trunk lid has the external hinges. I'll try to take some pics and put on my website. Whatever is left will go to the scrap yard. Email me off list with any queries. Gary Tew garytew at cox.net Peoria, AZ vg30 1600 ________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Parts Car?? > Hi all, > > Someone posted info about a low windshield parts car a few days ago and I > mistakenly erased the message. Specifically, I am looking for an early > dash assembly that is in Nice physical shape. Paint isn't important, and > neither are guages. I plan on swapping the early dash (which I love) into > my 70 Roadster (which I fit in) for the best of both worlds. Anyone have > a nice, complete dash assembly they want to part with? Contact me off > list at funkaholik at yahoo.com > > Thanks! From slowboy at cox.net Thu Mar 27 14:27:36 2008 From: slowboy at cox.net (SlowBoy) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:27:36 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper References: <583676.56759.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006001c89051$60eacb10$8b01a8c0@m7170n> Have a look here for process. http://www.advancedplating.com/restoration/bumper_resto.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper > Hey, I was just wondering about my back bumper. The top is pretty rusty. > To get a good finish, do you just have it rechromed, or do you need to > smooth it out? > > Jim From mikef at carolina.rr.com Thu Mar 27 17:01:48 2008 From: mikef at carolina.rr.com (Mike Faggart) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:01:48 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan References: Message-ID: <00db01c89066$eb4990b0$0200a8c0@reginacb41e884> Those are great pictures! thanks, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Magana" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan > Hello all, Just wanted to share with you some pictures sent to me by my > good > friend Takeshi in Japan. These are of recent roadster events. > Later, Gerardo > > > http://www.geocities.jp/kensun5000com/albumtmf2008.html > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mikef at carolina.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From aultgc at att.net Thu Mar 27 19:31:06 2008 From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:31:06 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper References: <583676.56759.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00be01c8907b$c69b41e0$6402a8c0@gaxp1> Jim, "Rechroming" is a three-step process (after the original finish is stripped): 1. A copper plating, to fill imperfections. (May require multiple applications with buffing in between.) 2. A nickel plating. 3. The final chrome plating. The copper is also probably needed to bond to the steel, an dthe nickel to bond to the copper. But, I'm not a chemist so I don't know for sure. So, if you send your bumper to a reputable chrome plater, you will get the pitting, etc., corrected as part of the process. It is possible to re-chrome without doing a careful job of copper plating and buffing out imperfections, but the basic steps for correcting such imperfections is inherent in the process. Gary Ault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper > Hey, I was just wondering about my back bumper. The top is pretty rusty. > To get a good finish, do you just have it rechromed, or do you need to > smooth it out? > > Jim > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc at att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ljordan704 at netscape.net Thu Mar 27 20:29:14 2008 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:29:14 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper In-Reply-To: <006001c89051$60eacb10$8b01a8c0@m7170n> References: <583676.56759.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <006001c89051$60eacb10$8b01a8c0@m7170n> Message-ID: <8CA5E9B07A82916-12CC-1142@webmail-nc07.sysops.aol.com> What's the going rate for a bumper rechrome these days? Linda -----Original Message----- From: SlowBoy To: Jim Gammon ; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Bumper Have a look here for process. http://www.advancedplating.com/restoration/bumper_resto.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper > Hey, I was just wondering about my back bumper. The top is pretty rusty. > To get a good finish, do you just have it rechromed, or do you need to > smooth it out? > > Jim You are subscribed as ljordan704 at netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From hallosb at juno.com Thu Mar 27 21:06:50 2008 From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:06:50 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan Message-ID: <20080327.210650.5938.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> I noticed they don't have caps on their wheels, either. I think it looks better that way. I never really liked the Panasport plastic caps. They stick out too far. As long as the dust covers on your front wheel bearings aren't too beat up, I think it looks better without them. Dan McHatton '66 1600 ------------------------------------- Most of them are running RS Watanabe, Black Racing, or similar JDM wheels. -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gogineni.alvin=gene.com at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-road sters-bounces+gogineni.alvin=gene.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steven boortz Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:19 AM To: Gerardo Magana; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Roadster Happenings in Japan very cool. anyone know where i can get some of those aero headlight covers shown on the red car with the stripe? and all (or nearly all) of the cars with aftermarket wheels, have pretty much the same "panasport" design. why is that? s 675MIZU _____________________________________________________________ Click here to search for alternative health schools and training near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iihBDwl9fygiNij3ir9AmEbgoYII I6LRntz6C1RflqmOHKMvU/ From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 22:39:47 2008 From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] torque rod? Message-ID: <888647.16056.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi everyone the rod that goes from the rear axle housing to the frame (perpendicular to the axle housing)? did/do these break regularly? mine isn't on the car. the bracket to mount to the axle housing is fine, but the bracket for mounting to the frame appears to have been broken, repaired, and broken again. does anyone make a new bracket for the frame side, or is there some other popular fix? thank you in advance steve 675MIZU From oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 01:20:30 2008 From: oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com (Matthew Cox) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Endless Rebuild Questions Message-ID: <769709.46952.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello! Thanks to everyone who has given me advice so far on my project. Especialy those that were so quick on the reply when my hands were covered in grease and I couldn't get "X" part off. I finally got the engine completely removed and down to my class tonight where we put it on the engine stand. On Tuesday I will go down early and begin disassembly so that I can see what see what I have and order parts. Soooo... I guess I'm wondering what everyone's opinion is on where I should go from here. I already have a header and an EI dizzy as upgrades. What are my options with a bigger cam and cylinder bore? I don't have any idea what sizes one can do, what kind of performance gains, where one would get such things and what kinds of costs I can expect. Can I just do a bigger cam and that's all and see decent improvement? Any other performance upgrades I should be looking at? I guess I just want to get as much performance as I can, while still keeping drivability and not going the whole stroker route (at least not right now). What kinds of things have you guys done? What would you do to your car if you had the engine apart? What have you done/not done but regretted. Anything basic I should be sure to take care of or replace of while I have everything apart? Once again, thanks for all the help! The learning continues... Matthew... --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 01:40:22 2008 From: oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com (Matthew Cox) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Endless Rebuild Questions In-Reply-To: <769709.46952.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <350621.59743.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ooops... Should have mentioned that the engine is a 3-main 1600 from a '67. Matthew... Matthew Cox wrote: Hello! Thanks to everyone who has given me advice so far on my project. Especialy those that were so quick on the reply when my hands were covered in grease and I couldn't get "X" part off. I finally got the engine completely removed and down to my class tonight where we put it on the engine stand. On Tuesday I will go down early and begin disassembly so that I can see what see what I have and order parts. Soooo... I guess I'm wondering what everyone's opinion is on where I should go from here. I already have a header and an EI dizzy as upgrades. What are my options with a bigger cam and cylinder bore? I don't have any idea what sizes one can do, what kind of performance gains, where one would get such things and what kinds of costs I can expect. Can I just do a bigger cam and that's all and see decent improvement? Any other performance upgrades I should be looking at? I guess I just want to get as much performance as I can, while still keeping drivability and not going the whole stroker route (at least not right now). What kinds of things have you guys done? What would you do to your car if you had the engine apart? What have you done/not done but regretted. Anything basic I should be sure to take care of or replace of while I have everything apart? Once again, thanks for all the help! The learning continues... Matthew... --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From jsk977 at optonline.net Fri Mar 28 05:25:41 2008 From: jsk977 at optonline.net (Jerry Krakauer) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:25:41 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] torque rod? References: <888647.16056.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c890ce$d6771410$6402a8c0@HP1450> Steve, In years past mine broke regularly, re-welded, gusseted, reinforced and it still broke. Of course a Detroit Locker with 4.62:1. and a protofied engine didn't help. Always knew when it broke...lots of instant axle hop. Jerry Krakauer SRL311 00099 ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven boortz" To: "roadsters" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: [Roadsters] torque rod? > hi everyone > the rod that goes from the rear axle housing to the frame (perpendicular > to the axle housing)? did/do these break regularly? mine isn't on the > car. the bracket to mount to the axle housing is fine, but the bracket > for mounting to the frame appears to have been broken, repaired, and > broken again. does anyone make a new bracket for the frame side, or is > there some other popular fix? > thank you in advance > steve > 675MIZU From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com Fri Mar 28 05:50:38 2008 From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:50:38 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] LA Craiglist, Low screen '69? Hmmm. Message-ID: Saw this today. If his reg says '69, something is up, or maybe it is rebodied.... http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/car/621024697.html From fairlady66 at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 07:26:57 2008 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:26:57 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] LA Craiglist, Low screen '69? Hmmm. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: He states in the post "NEVER DRIVEN". Hummmm, Never, wonder how they get it from point A to point B. On 3/28/08, O'Farrell, Fergus wrote: > > Saw this today. If his reg says '69, something is up, or maybe it is > rebodied.... > > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/car/621024697.html > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fairlady66 at gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. From Keith0alan at aol.com Fri Mar 28 07:40:02 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:40:02 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2008 7:31:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, aultgc at att.net writes: Jim, "Rechroming" is a three-step process (after the original finish is stripped): 1. A copper plating, to fill imperfections. (May require multiple applications with buffing in between.) 2. A nickel plating. 3. The final chrome plating. The copper is also probably needed to bond to the steel, an dthe nickel to bond to the copper. But, I'm not a chemist so I don't know for sure. So, if you send your bumper to a reputable chrome plater, you will get the pitting, etc., corrected as part of the process. It is possible to re-chrome without doing a careful job of copper plating and buffing out imperfections, but the basic steps for correcting such imperfections is inherent in the process. Gary Ault Watch out for chromers that want to grind out the pits. Your parts will end up paper thin. You are better off with little dimples in the chrome rather than your bumper ground down to nothing. The key to getting chrome you like is to talk to the plater and make sure you both understand what is expected. If you throw your part on the counter, say chrome, and walk out the door there is no telling what you will end up with. Copper is very expensive, as is labor. If you want the pits filled with copper this involves plating and buffing several times. A lot of places won't do it and the ones that do charge appropriately, usually a lot. That's why they like to grind the pits out, fast and cheap. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From Keith0alan at aol.com Fri Mar 28 07:54:10 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:54:10 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Endless Rebuild Questions Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/2008 1:41:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, oscilloscope500 at yahoo.com writes: Soooo... I guess I'm wondering what everyone's opinion is on where I should go from here. My thoughts would be first build in reliability. Have the connecting rods checked out for round holes and straightness. Go with the 2L clutch. No more than a medium cam. Check the wipe patterns on the lifters and rockers. New timing set. No more cylinder overbore than necessary to clean up wear. Smooth the intake and exhaust ports, including the inside of the intake manifold. Match the intake and exhaust ports to the manifolds. Clean the block really well. Pull all the freeze plugs and the oil gallery plugs before tanking. When it get back get the brush set out, a bucket of detergent and water, and brush out every passage, nook and crany. Tap the ends of the oil gallery for threaded plugs (allen head dry seal plugs). Check valve springs for proper tension, replace any bad ones. I'm sure there will be more but I'm running out of steam. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 08:03:10 2008 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Bumper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <816216.96099.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you all. Jim Keith0alan at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/27/2008 7:31:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, aultgc at att.net writes: Jim, "Rechroming" is a three-step process (after the original finish is stripped): 1. A copper plating, to fill imperfections. (May require multiple applications with buffing in between.) 2. A nickel plating. 3. The final chrome plating. The copper is also probably needed to bond to the steel, an dthe nickel to bond to the copper. But, I'm not a chemist so I don't know for sure. So, if you send your bumper to a reputable chrome plater, you will get the pitting, etc., corrected as part of the process. It is possible to re-chrome without doing a careful job of copper plating and buffing out imperfections, but the basic steps for correcting such imperfections is inherent in the process. Gary Ault Watch out for chromers that want to grind out the pits. Your parts will end up paper thin. You are better off with little dimples in the chrome rather than your bumper ground down to nothing. The key to getting chrome you like is to talk to the plater and make sure you both understand what is expected. If you throw your part on the counter, say chrome, and walk out the door there is no telling what you will end up with. Copper is very expensive, as is labor. If you want the pits filled with copper this involves plating and buffing several times. A lot of places won't do it and the ones that do charge appropriately, usually a lot. That's why they like to grind the pits out, fast and cheap. keith --------------------------------- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. From tputland at charter.net Fri Mar 28 08:12:02 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 8:12:02 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was Bumper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080328111202.RYQXP.89016.root@fepweb09> >From Keith: "Your parts will end up paper thin. " So..... I am a little unclear on this point. I under stand that the grinding will thin the metal. But doesn't the chroming process add (layers of metals) to the part, making it thicker (and heavier)? Is the thinning from grinding still an issue even with new metal being added? (read the last line on my signature if you are un clear as to my mental abilities!) ;-) Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning From ericerichoffman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 09:26:33 2008 From: ericerichoffman at yahoo.com (Eric Hoffman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question Message-ID: <733567.79073.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The bumper is thin to start with. If they grind a hole in it when removing pits then they will have to add metal before the chroming process (and I'm not sure if that is possible, if it is it sounds expensive). So yes the chroming process adds material however you can't chrome over a hole and the previous post was warning about the possibility of grinding a hole through the metal when removing pits. By the way shop carefully, chrome shops are like paint shops, which is to say usually very expensive and yet low quality. Ask me how I know! Clear as mud? Eric Hoffman --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From gerardomagana at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 28 10:43:15 2008 From: gerardomagana at sbcglobal.net (Gerardo Magana) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:43:15 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question References: <733567.79073.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94FEFD1015FF48CA8B9F5C7DE43CEC48@GERARDO3RX9F01> Hello, Usually you have to weld a plug in when you have a hole. There are many different ways to do this and not all bumper platers are the same. There is a vast difference in quality when it comes to filling in holes, and yes I have had it done before to save a core that had rust damage. I have a plating shop that my companies Twin Leaf Manufacturing and Fairladyparts.com use. They are able to weld a plug in from behind any small hole and then fill in above with copper and they always have very good results. So if you have a bumper with holes don't throw it away, it is still usable. To answer Linda's question the cost of rechroming varies depending on the shop, some are more expensive but sometimes you get what you pay for. Later, Gerardo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hoffman" To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question > The bumper is thin to start with. If they grind a hole in it when > removing pits then they will have to add metal before the chroming process > (and I'm not sure if that is possible, if it is it sounds expensive). So > yes the chroming process adds material however you can't chrome over a > hole and the previous post was warning about the possibility of grinding a > hole through the metal when removing pits. > > By the way shop carefully, chrome shops are like paint shops, which is to > say usually very expensive and yet low quality. Ask me how I know! > > Clear as mud? > > Eric Hoffman From ljordan704 at netscape.net Fri Mar 28 10:54:22 2008 From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question In-Reply-To: <94FEFD1015FF48CA8B9F5C7DE43CEC48@GERARDO3RX9F01> References: <733567.79073.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <94FEFD1015FF48CA8B9F5C7DE43CEC48@GERARDO3RX9F01> Message-ID: <8CA5F13E3292128-A90-12E3@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> Part of the problem for me is knowing exactly what I am paying for whether it is paint, or chrome. That is why a step by step explanation of what should be done is helpful so you know what to ask for. And then, how can you verify if it was done? How should a good bumper look as compared to a cheaper process one? Of course, visible pits, dents are easy to recognize as substandard work, but otherwise how can you tell? Linda -----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Magana To: Eric Hoffman Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:43 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question Hello, Usually you have to weld a plug in when you have a hole. There are many different ways to do this and not all bumper platers are the same. There is a vast difference in quality when it comes to filling in holes, and yes I have had it done before to save a core that had rust damage. I have a plating shop that my companies Twin Leaf Manufacturing and Fairladyparts.com use. They are able to weld a plug in from behind any small hole and then fill in above with copper and they always have very good results. So if you have a bumper with holes don't throw it away, it is still usable. To answer Linda's question the cost of rechroming varies depending on the shop, some are more expensive but sometimes you get what you pay for. Later, Gerardo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hoffman" To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question > The bumper is thin to start with. If they grind a hole in it when > removing pits then they will have to add metal before the chroming process > (and I'm not sure if that is possible, if it is it sounds expensive). So > yes the chroming process adds material however you can't chrome over a > hole and the previous post was warning about the possibility of grinding a > hole through the metal when removing pits. > > By the way shop carefully, chrome shops are like paint shops, which is to > say usually very expensive and yet low quality. Ask me how I know! > > Clear as mud? > > Eric Hoffman You are subscribed as ljordan704 at netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gregs672liter at netzero.net Fri Mar 28 11:17:07 2008 From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:17:07 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] torque rod? Message-ID: <20080328.111707.6692.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> The one on my 67 2000 was broken just like yours when I got it 23 years ago, and I have never bothered to get it fixed. I have all the parts, just never did it. As far as I can tell, my car does not miss it, but then again it could very well be that my springs (comp) are twisting up into an S shape every time I get on it hard and I don't know it, but I have never had any wheel hop... just lots of tire spin heh heh heh! I read that they frequently broke and the factory welded in additional support, but like Jerry says, they still broke. I considered doing a Watts linkage but again, another project I have not gotten around to yet. As far as I can tell, my car handles very neutral, so I don't think it makes any difference in that regard. I believe that traction bars are designed to do the same thing... keep the springs from twisting. Greg Burrows -- Jerry Krakauer wrote: Steve, In years past mine broke regularly, re-welded, gusseted, reinforced and it still broke. Of course a Detroit Locker with 4.62:1. and a protofied engine didn't help. Always knew when it broke...lots of instant axle hop. Jerry Krakauer SRL311 00099 ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven boortz" To: "roadsters" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: [Roadsters] torque rod? > hi everyone > the rod that goes from the rear axle housing to the frame (perpendicular > to the axle housing)? did/do these break regularly? mine isn't on the > car. the bracket to mount to the axle housing is fine, but the bracket > for mounting to the frame appears to have been broken, repaired, and > broken again. does anyone make a new bracket for the frame side, or is > there some other popular fix? > thank you in advance > steve > 675MIZU You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Click for free quote on refinancing your mortgage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ty2kbHufb9rBHsmeKA12Sfv Fd7y4aKIBsVWX81ARcuaApA6/ From ppeters914 at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 12:28:20 2008 From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:28:20 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] LA Craiglist, Low screen '69? Hmmm. Message-ID: <032820081928.10676.47ED46D4000BA176000029B42205886442CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net> I'm thinking he means that -HE- never drove it. Also, someone must've contacted him because it ad title now says 1966. Pete -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Chris & Christy Breyer" > He states in the post "NEVER DRIVEN". Hummmm, Never, wonder how they get > it from point A to point B. > > > > > On 3/28/08, O'Farrell, Fergus wrote: > > > > Saw this today. If his reg says '69, something is up, or maybe it is > > rebodied.... > > > > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/car/621024697.html > > ________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as fairlady66 at gmail.com > > > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > > > > -- > '66 1600 > Riverside, CA > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From ericerichoffman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 12:43:37 2008 From: ericerichoffman at yahoo.com (Eric Hoffman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] chrome quality Message-ID: <912262.7692.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Linda, these are great questions. The best way to know what you're getting (or likely to get) is through referrals, a great way to do that is through a list like this and to go to car shows and ask people with great chrome who did the work. The most common flaw in chrome is waviness, usually seen as lines in the finish. Moreover getting the metal dead flat and flawless is extremely labor intensive. Removing impact damage and crumpling (especially on edges, creases and curves) is even harder. So it pays to start with the best bumper you can even if you have to buy more than one of them to so (then sell the spares on ebay with honest disclosure afterwards.) Compounding the problem for you and I is the fact that there is no end to the line of auto enthusiasts willing to pay top dollar; because demand is higher than supply shops can turn out substandard work and continue to make a living doing so. The only guarantee of high quality is to go with the most expensive shops (like Pauls Chrome and a few others) which is painful. That being said I have had great luck with Superior Chrome in San Jose. I would not say that the work is flawless, I would say that the work is excellent and one must look very hard to see places that were are not absolutelty perfect and unless you're hoping for an invitation to Pebble Beach I think you'll be pleased. Along these lines if you get to attend a splashy concours spend some time staring at the chrome work, on those bazillion dollar cars it's like jewelery and looks ten feet deep. If anyone knows how they get chrome this nice I'd like to hear. High end motorcycles often have the super fine deep gleaming chrome too. I think it's ironic that I live in Gerorgia and with all the referrals and feedback I have the best deal I found is in one of the most expensive places in the country! Superior plated my Volvo P1800 bumper, and refinished a chrome gas cap on my Opel GT. I have not seen their work but have heard good feedback about Escondido Plating in Southern California, anybody here familar or have comments? Here in Georgia the shops I visited skip the copper plating and just use nickel and chrome. Some pieces turn out OK, most do not, the copper fills in the minute flaws (almost no surface is perfect on the molecular microscopic level). Hope this helps, Eric Hoffman --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From George.M.Landis at pepsico.com Fri Mar 28 13:16:16 2008 From: George.M.Landis at pepsico.com (Landis, George M {PEP}) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:16:16 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question Message-ID: <192593B822238849B392ECD08E1E0664015929BC@PEPWMV00021.corp.pep.pvt> Dave Ronan is going to call is next week with dates. He is going back to Israel sometime in May. He was very excited to have the meeting. Today was a great one for Sabra Dipping Company and it was a great day for Frito Lay as well. The opportunity for Sabra is staggering. Thanks for letting me be apart of this. I believe we laid some good foundation today with more to come. Hope you have a great week end GL ----- Original Message ----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+george.m.landis=pepsico.com at autox.team.net To: Eric Hoffman Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Sent: Fri Mar 28 12:43:15 2008 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question Hello, Usually you have to weld a plug in when you have a hole. There are many different ways to do this and not all bumper platers are the same. There is a vast difference in quality when it comes to filling in holes, and yes I have had it done before to save a core that had rust damage. I have a plating shop that my companies Twin Leaf Manufacturing and Fairladyparts.com use. They are able to weld a plug in from behind any small hole and then fill in above with copper and they always have very good results. So if you have a bumper with holes don't throw it away, it is still usable. To answer Linda's question the cost of rechroming varies depending on the shop, some are more expensive but sometimes you get what you pay for. Later, Gerardo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hoffman" To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question > The bumper is thin to start with. If they grind a hole in it when > removing pits then they will have to add metal before the chroming process > (and I'm not sure if that is possible, if it is it sounds expensive). So > yes the chroming process adds material however you can't chrome over a > hole and the previous post was warning about the possibility of grinding a > hole through the metal when removing pits. > > By the way shop carefully, chrome shops are like paint shops, which is to > say usually very expensive and yet low quality. Ask me how I know! > > Clear as mud? > > Eric Hoffman ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as george.m.landis at pepsico.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From tputland at charter.net Fri Mar 28 14:17:42 2008 From: tputland at charter.net (Tim) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:17:42 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] thinning grinding bumper question In-Reply-To: <733567.79073.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080328171742.PBAG9.967.root@fepweb07> That makes sense....they might end up putting a hole in the bumper during the grind. I didn't think about that. thanks Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ---- Eric Hoffman wrote: ============= The bumper is thin to start with. If they grind a hole in it when removing pits then they will have to add metal before the chroming process (and I'm not sure if that is possible, if it is it sounds expensive). So yes the chroming process adds material however you can't chrome over a hole and the previous post was warning about the possibility of grinding a hole through the metal when removing pits. By the way shop carefully, chrome shops are like paint shops, which is to say usually very expensive and yet low quality. Ask me how I know! Clear as mud? Eric Hoffman . From Keith0alan at aol.com Fri Mar 28 17:40:55 2008 From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:40:55 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was Bumper Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/2008 8:12:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tputland at charter.net writes: >From Keith: "Your parts will end up paper thin. " So..... I am a little unclear on this point. I under stand that the grinding will thin the metal. But doesn't the chroming process add (layers of metals) to the part, making it thicker (and heavier)? Is the thinning from grinding still an issue even with new metal being added? (read the last line on my signature if you are un clear as to my mental abilities!) ;-) Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning They are removing steel, a structural material, and adding copper, nickel and chrome, a cosmetic coating. The amount of steel removed to get to the bottom of the pits is a lot thicker than the amount of copper, nickel, and chrome you want to pay for. Good question though, in some applications, like hydraulic cylinder rods, they will build them up with chrome and grind them down to size. keith **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From matthews517 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 28 18:04:27 2008 From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:04:27 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] back on-line and RAMBLING!!! Message-ID: Hi All! If you got some funky bounces from my email address, it was EarthLink's fault. I'm here, I'm on line. They didn't register my payment and shut off my account. Damn computers!!! I missed all emails from 3/21 to present, so my "list" archive is no longer complete. Dammit! Drove home yesterday with the top down at 72 degrees. I drove to work today top down 58 degrees (in the dark). Drove home tonight, under threat of rain 74 degrees!!!!!! Car is parked, top up, due to rain tonight and tomorrow. )(@$%*)($*%&#)($*%&#)($%*^ I emailed a seller on eBay today. He's Sam739. He is selling some racing parts. Someone may have recently purchased a 7Q oil pan from him. (One of his items currently listed as "oil pump new new new" Item number 320232609721). I got a call from him today, per my email. He's been out of the "roadster game" for 20 years, but he used to race (for 16-17 years). (Sebring, Rockingham, etc.) He's a machinist/engine builder at heart and used to fabricate his own parts for his race cars. He has many parts leftover from Nissan Racing parts crib (Nissan was a sponsor so some of you may very well know him). He's retired now. I assume 7/39 is his birth month/year. I should get more info tomorrow when we meet. He lives right down the road from me. He said he has many parts, and he's just now going thru them to see what he has. He's trying to figure out what they all are and looking up part numbers. I've offered my help in any way possible. I own "The Datsun Roadster Book" volumes, so that should help. He knows nothing of 311s.org, roadster list, Rallye, Datsunparts.com, or any of the current resources we all use. I've offered only in the interest of gaining knowledge from this gentleman. I do not want, nor will I accept any parts without paying him a fair price. I wanted you all to know that there are un-tapped resources out there. Once I find out more, I'll pass info along. For anyone interested, I'll try to help him catalog what he's got and he's open to a "lot sale". He's an older gentleman and he's having a hard time going thru the process of getting rid of his collection, emotionally (Fully understandable!). I'm trying to convince him to come to Mitty. :-) What a boon that would be for all of us who attend! NEW stories!!! HAHAHAHAHA! Luv U! Matt Smith From jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com Sat Mar 29 06:24:25 2008 From: jrusso07 at rochester.rr.com (Joe Russo) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:24:25 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] more torque rod questions? In-Reply-To: <888647.16056.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c891a0$35b1f8b0$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> "hi everyone the rod that goes from the rear axle housing to the frame (perpendicular to the axle housing)? did/do these break regularly? " I read the responses to Steve's question and am looking for similar inputs/advice. My "torque rod" mount broke at the axel tube. The body mount is good. It looks to have been welded once...rather poorly. Do you think I should weld it back in place? I am having the rear springs "re-sprung" so I figured I would have them weld it back on the axel tube at that time but I would want to add the re-enforcements too... Perhaps there is another (root) cause for the breakage - other than spirited driving? Thoughts? Advice? Re-enforcement directions? (re-enforce in what plane x, y, or z) (parallel to rod, perpendicular to rod, or up and down?) Car is a 70 SRL Thanks, Joe From drlsmith at dccnet.com Sat Mar 29 09:20:35 2008 From: drlsmith at dccnet.com (Daryl Smith) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:20:35 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was Bumper References: Message-ID: <004101c891b8$d236b5f0$5a2ecf18@Daryl> I had my bumpers done about 12 years ago. I now have some rust starting to form on the back side of the bumpers. Do you coat the back side of the bumpers with POR 15 or similar when you first get them back from the platers? Daryl > tputland at charter.net writes: > >>From Keith: "Your parts will end up paper thin. " > > So..... > > I am a little unclear on this point. I under stand that the grinding will > thin the metal. But doesn't the chroming process add (layers of metals) > to the > part, making it thicker (and heavier)? > > Is the thinning from grinding still an issue even with new metal being > added? > > (read the last line on my signature if you are un clear as to my mental > abilities!) ;-) > > Tim > Belleville, WI. > '70 SPL AND SRL > Still clueless but always learning > > > > They are removing steel, a structural material, and adding copper, nickel > and chrome, a cosmetic coating. The amount of steel removed to get to the > bottom > of the pits is a lot thicker than the amount of copper, nickel, and chrome > you want to pay for. Good question though, in some applications, like > hydraulic cylinder rods, they will build them up with chrome and grind > them down to > size. > > keith From gsglasgow at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 10:20:23 2008 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:20:23 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] torque rod? In-Reply-To: <20080328.111707.6692.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080328.111707.6692.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001601c891c1$2c87c4b0$85974e10$@net> Mine broke the frame mount, too. I had it repaired and replaced the rod with an adjustable one. The thinking was that maybe the lowered suspension was putting some preload on the setup. It hasn't broken since, and that was 1979. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gregs672liter at netzero.net Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:17 AM To: jsk977 at optonline.net Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] torque rod? The one on my 67 2000 was broken just like yours when I got it 23 years ago, and I have never bothered to get it fixed. I have all the parts, just never did it. As far as I can tell, my car does not miss it, but then again it could very well be that my springs (comp) are twisting up into an S shape every time I get on it hard and I don't know it, but I have never had any wheel hop... just lots of tire spin heh heh heh! I read that they frequently broke and the factory welded in additional support, but like Jerry says, they still broke. I considered doing a Watts linkage but again, another project I have not gotten around to yet. As far as I can tell, my car handles very neutral, so I don't think it makes any difference in that regard. I believe that traction bars are designed to do the same thing... keep the springs from twisting. Greg Burrows -- Jerry Krakauer wrote: Steve, In years past mine broke regularly, re-welded, gusseted, reinforced and it still broke. Of course a Detroit Locker with 4.62:1. and a protofied engine didn't help. Always knew when it broke...lots of instant axle hop. Jerry Krakauer SRL311 00099 ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven boortz" To: "roadsters" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: [Roadsters] torque rod? > hi everyone > the rod that goes from the rear axle housing to the frame (perpendicular > to the axle housing)? did/do these break regularly? mine isn't on the > car. the bracket to mount to the axle housing is fine, but the bracket > for mounting to the frame appears to have been broken, repaired, and > broken again. does anyone make a new bracket for the frame side, or is > there some other popular fix? > thank you in advance > steve > 675MIZU You are subscribed as gregs672liter at netzero.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _____________________________________________________________ Click for free quote on refinancing your mortgage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ty2kbHufb9rBHsmeKA12Sf v Fd7y4aKIBsVWX81ARcuaApA6/ Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From gsglasgow at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 10:26:42 2008 From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] more torque rod questions? In-Reply-To: <000501c891a0$35b1f8b0$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> References: <888647.16056.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000501c891a0$35b1f8b0$0502a8c0@D4RK97B1JR> Message-ID: <001801c891c2$0e4d2980$2ae77c80$@net> Make sure that anyone welding on an axle housing knows enough to put it in a good supporting structure first to prevent the heat from warping the housing. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Russo Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:24 AM To: 'roadsters' Subject: Re: [Roadsters] more torque rod questions? "hi everyone the rod that goes from the rear axle housing to the frame (perpendicular to the axle housing)? did/do these break regularly? " I read the responses to Steve's question and am looking for similar inputs/advice. My "torque rod" mount broke at the axel tube. The body mount is good. It looks to have been welded once...rather poorly. Do you think I should weld it back in place? I am having the rear springs "re-sprung" so I figured I would have them weld it back on the axel tube at that time but I would want to add the re-enforcements too... Perhaps there is another (root) cause for the breakage - other than spirited driving? Thoughts? Advice? Re-enforcement directions? (re-enforce in what plane x, y, or z) (parallel to rod, perpendicular to rod, or up and down?) Car is a 70 SRL Thanks, Joe Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 10:47:57 2008 From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject) Message-ID: <528638.61641.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi everyone and to my friends in socal.... i'm going to do the volvo caliper conversion, and need to find a machine shop to cut down the rotors. anyone have a shop in the greater LA area they trust? thanks in advance steve 675MIZU From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com Sat Mar 29 11:24:28 2008 From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:24:28 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was Bumper In-Reply-To: <004101c891b8$d236b5f0$5a2ecf18@Daryl> References: <004101c891b8$d236b5f0$5a2ecf18@Daryl> Message-ID: i always paint the inside with two coats of an appropriate colored rustoleum - seems to work fine. ---------------------------------------- > From: drlsmith at dccnet.com > To: Keith0alan at aol.com; tputland at charter.net; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:20:35 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was Bumper > > I had my bumpers done about 12 years ago. I now have some rust starting to > form on the back side of the bumpers. > Do you coat the back side of the bumpers with POR 15 or similar when you > first get them back from the platers? > > Daryl > > > > tputland at charter.net writes: > > > >>From Keith: "Your parts will end up paper thin. " > > > > So..... > > > > I am a little unclear on this point. I under stand that the grinding will > > thin the metal. But doesn't the chroming process add (layers of metals) > > to the > > part, making it thicker (and heavier)? > > > > Is the thinning from grinding still an issue even with new metal being > > added? > > > > (read the last line on my signature if you are un clear as to my mental > > abilities!) ;-) > > > > Tim > > Belleville, WI. > > '70 SPL AND SRL > > Still clueless but always learning > > > > > > > > They are removing steel, a structural material, and adding copper, nickel > > and chrome, a cosmetic coating. The amount of steel removed to get to the > > bottom > > of the pits is a lot thicker than the amount of copper, nickel, and chrome > > you want to pay for. Good question though, in some applications, like > > hydraulic cylinder rods, they will build them up with chrome and grind > > them down to > > size. > > > > keith > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as granvillecomputing at hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From escanlon at wa-net.com Sat Mar 29 12:12:25 2008 From: escanlon at wa-net.com (E Scanlon) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was Bumper References: <004101c891b8$d236b5f0$5a2ecf18@Daryl> Message-ID: <000801c891d0$d32d5e10$0300a8c0@HPW> Daryl; While just about any good rust-preventing paint will do, the advantage of using the POR is that you can get it in silver color (although it will "green" up a bit with UV exposure) and you generally do not have to worry about it getting chipped or flaking off...even if you get a small dent. 2" E >I had my bumpers done about 12 years ago. I now have some rust starting to > form on the back side of the bumpers. > Do you coat the back side of the bumpers with POR 15 or similar when you > first get them back from the platers? > > Daryl From dato1500 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 29 17:33:35 2008 From: dato1500 at hotmail.com (Peter Jones) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:33:35 +0800 Subject: [Roadsters] parts needed Message-ID: Thanks to all that responded to my cry for help on some missing parts. I have contacted someone and have organised the parts that are need. Thanks again Regards Peter j 1968 CA18DET _________________________________________________________________ Get MOTORAZR MAXX V6 now $249 on Next G Pre-Paid http://clk.atdmt.com/OAT/go/nnmsntel0690000034oat/direct/01/ From fairlady66 at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 19:36:01 2008 From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:36:01 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] So far Bar B-Q has good RSVP Message-ID: So far we have 17 people and six, maybe seven Roadsters Committed to being at the Bar B-Q next weekend. A couple of Roadsters maybe dropping by later in the day. We are looking forward to a great time, if you have not yet sent in your RSVP and you are planning on showing up or you are not sure, drop us a line and we will make sure there is enough food to go around. We are looking forward to seeing all of you next Sunday, April 6th, 12:30/1:00 to whenever. ~Chris & Christy -- '66 1600 Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one. From wilhouse at charter.net Sun Mar 30 08:30:46 2008 From: wilhouse at charter.net (Ken & Tammy Williams) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:30:46 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Free parts Message-ID: <003401c8927b$07c1e740$68069e18@wilhouse> Hello all, I'm dropping out of lurker mode with a final offer. I've been given the ultimatum to get rid of "it". "It" being the box of dis-assembled transmission and drive shaft from my '67. The 4-speed was taken apart for rebuilding, and never re-assembled. The synchro's were worn, and the mechanic found some damage to the case around the rear seal, but the rest of the parts were fine. If anybody wants "it" for the price of shipping please let me know. Ken Williams Janesville, WI From brianrreynolds at yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 12:54:47 2008 From: brianrreynolds at yahoo.com (Brian Reynolds) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Roadsters] colour of car in Japan pics? Message-ID: <323569.60563.qm@web62411.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello all, Last Thursday a list member posted pics from a Roadster event in Japan - thanks for that! I'm hoping that someone on the list can identify a paint colour on one of those cars. It's the one that appears to be silvery-blue, has the license plate "3-11", with aftermarket wheels. Don't confuse this with another car that also has a 3-11 license plate that appears to be silver - that one has the stock hub-caps. There's another blue car with the plate "3-10", but this is a baby blue colour. I think the baby-blue colour on 3-10 is known as "Sora Blue", is that correct? Is the 3-11 car with the mags really a silvery-blue, or is it metallic silver and the blueish tint is just an illusion in the photo, maybe as the sun was setting? The first Roadster I ever saw when I was a kid in the '70s appeared to be a silvery-blue, and I'm still in search of this colour. At this point I'm thinking that the colour I remember doesn't exist (as a stock colour) and it was really a metallic-silver car that appeared silvery-blue because of the haze of dirt that had settled on it from years of sitting outdoors. I checked the colour chart on the Datsun.org site and neither sora blue nor turquoise seem to be it. The car I'm talking about in the pics from Japan is the closest I've ever seen to the colour I remember from my childhood, ...but maybe it's not a stock colour? Thoughts and opinions? -Brian Toronto