From jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  1 08:57:12 2008
From: jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net (Jeff Torres)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:57:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] SOlvang SHow Update
Message-ID: <655413.77840.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
   
  Just a little show reminder here. Only 10 days before early registration ends and late registration begins. Only 25 more days 'til the show!!!! On another note, we recently moved(homes) and I have not set up my home computer yet that lets me update the web site. If you have sent registrations in, and were wondering if I got them, yes I have! Keep 'em coming!
   
  Jeff T.                       WWW.SOLVANGSHOW.COM

From tminerpcav at aol.com  Tue Apr  1 10:39:10 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:39:10 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] SOlvang SHow Update
In-Reply-To: <655413.77840.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <655413.77840.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CA62366CFE23AC-1188-490@webmail-ne04.sysops.aol.com>

Hey All,



For those of you who haven't registered, GET OFF YOUR ASSES? and register! 

If you don't, you'll miss out on all the fun and the opportunity to see me yet one more time.? 

Tim Miner


---- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Torres <jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net>
To: Datsun Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 8:57 am
Subject: [Roadsters] SOlvang SHow Update




Hi All,
   
  Just a little show reminder here. Only 10 days before early registration ends 
and late registration begins. Only 25 more days 'til the show!!!! On another 
note, we recently moved(homes) and I have not set up my home computer yet that 
lets me update the web site. If you have sent registrations in, and were 
wondering if I got them, yes I have! Keep 'em coming!
   
  Jeff T.                       WWW.SOLVANGSHOW.COM
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From gerardomagana at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  1 19:35:29 2008
From: gerardomagana at sbcglobal.net (Gerardo Magana)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:35:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] SOlvang SHow Update
In-Reply-To: <8CA62366CFE23AC-1188-490@webmail-ne04.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <227876.21868.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Tim, Thats pretty funny, I sure would like to meet
up with you and talk cars!! The bad news is I am not
going to the show this year due to an important family
event (My son Eric is having his First Communion the
same weekend as the show), I sure am going to miss
meeting up with all of you.  So like Tim said, get
your registrations in, dont wait til the last minute,
Solvang is always a great show!!!
Later, Gerardo.  


--- tminerpcav at aol.com wrote:

> Hey All,
> 
> 
> 
> For those of you who haven't registered, GET OFF
> YOUR ASSES? and register! 
> 
> If you don't, you'll miss out on all the fun and the
> opportunity to see me yet one more time.? 
> 
> Tim Miner
> 
> 

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From jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  1 21:00:03 2008
From: jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net (jtorres67)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:00:03 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Registered Participants
Message-ID: <000c01c89476$10af39f0$8c746b4b@Torres>

Hey All,

I am struggling with my new internet connection with Satellite internet..Wild
Blue.....Lets just say..it is not dial up......but it is def no
DSL...Sooooo...here are people who registered, but are not on the web site
yet. Hope this settles some nerves.

1. John and Arlene Over
2. John Friederich
3. Victor Laury
4. Gerald Wheaton
5. Leonel Del Cid
6. Tom Roberts
7. Dennis Louthan
8. Tim Miner
9.  Mark Jacobs

There it is.....the latest adds...I haven't been to the post office in a few
days..so there may be more and I will notify when I get them.

Thanks!!!

From solex675 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  2 11:33:01 2008
From: solex675 at hotmail.com (Andrew Murphy)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:33:01 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravans
Message-ID: <BAY144-W85747EAD37AB2B6E1DE9696F40@phx.gbl>

Hey folks!

I am sure that for those of us going to Solvang, we are busily getting our
cars ready and adding any last minute things to our wish lists in preperation
for the show. Shari and I are getting our own 1966 1600 ready to go and while
I was going through some things it occured to me that I have not seen any
discussions about any caravans that will be heading North to Solvang from
Southern California. So I thought I would go ahead and start the dialog and
see what other people are planning to do.

I usually head out on Friday, although I know there are a lot of people who
get up early on Saturday morning to make the show. For those of us who head
out on Friday, I am proposing two stops to meet and pick up people heading up
to the show. The first stop would be at the Irvine Spectrum, right where I-405
and I-5 meet in Irvine, and the second stop would be at the bowling alley in
Westlake Village up in the San Fernando valley of highway 101.

No exact times yet, and I would be glad to get other people's input as to my
proposed locations and times. It has worked out pretty well in the past and
should again. So please drop a line and let me know what you think. I think
Solvang is going to be another great show this year and I look forward to
seeing everyone and their cars.

See you on the road!

Andrew Murphy
1966 1600
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Wed Apr  2 15:10:36 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:10:36 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravans
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-W85747EAD37AB2B6E1DE9696F40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-W85747EAD37AB2B6E1DE9696F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CA632582D6E5D0-A6C-17E6@webmail-ne20.sysops.aol.com>

That would be the bowling alley in Woodland Hills, in the San Fernando 
Valley.
Linda


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Murphy <solex675 at hotmail.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:33 am
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravans

Hey folks!

I am sure that for those of us going to Solvang, we are busily getting 
our
cars ready and adding any last minute things to our wish lists in 
preperation
for the show. Shari and I are getting our own 1966 1600 ready to go and 
while
I was going through some things it occured to me that I have not seen 
any
discussions about any caravans that will be heading North to Solvang 
from
Southern California. So I thought I would go ahead and start the dialog 
and
see what other people are planning to do.

I usually head out on Friday, although I know there are a lot of people 
who
get up early on Saturday morning to make the show. For those of us who 
head
out on Friday, I am proposing two stops to meet and pick up people 
heading up
to the show. The first stop would be at the Irvine Spectrum, right 
where I-405
and I-5 meet in Irvine, and the second stop would be at the bowling 
alley in
Westlake Village up in the San Fernando valley of highway 101.

No exact times yet, and I would be glad to get other people's input as 
to my
proposed locations and times. It has worked out pretty well in the past 
and
should again. So please drop a line and let me know what you think. I 
think
Solvang is going to be another great show this year and I look forward 
to
seeing everyone and their cars.

See you on the road!

Andrew Murphy
1966 1600
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From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com  Wed Apr  2 18:35:33 2008
From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:35:33 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] [OT] No April Fool's jokes this year?
Message-ID: <47F43465.6060205@hornesystemstx.com>

I had been looking forward to our annual April Fool's posting, but 
didn't see even one. Maybe it/they was there, but I totally missed 
it/them. Anyway, just to show how gullible some folks are, and to 
appease the Roadster karma gods, I am posting this after the fact.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/1/newsid_2819000/2819261.stm

Peace,
Pat

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From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 19:57:14 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:57:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Last reminder
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804021957k2f1f67d3r44305f20da35f8e5@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder on the bar B-Q this Sunday, April 6 at 12:30 to...whenever

Looks like we are going to have a nice turn out for the Bar B-Q.  If you are
coming and have not yet sent in a RSVP please do so right away so we can
make sure there is enough food to go round.
See you all on Sunday!
Chris

2992 Quebec Dr
Riverside, CA  92504
951-637-8872




-- 
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Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From aultgc at att.net  Wed Apr  2 21:16:59 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravans
References: <BAY144-W85747EAD37AB2B6E1DE9696F40@phx.gbl>
	<8CA632582D6E5D0-A6C-17E6@webmail-ne20.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <010901c89541$8fcf9ce0$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Andrew/Linda,

There are at least five of us who are planning to drive from San Diego/Vista 
up to Solvang on Friday.  Paul Gabriel of El Cajon is the ring leader, I 
believe.  Three of us are from Indiana.  I bought a '67-1/2 from Paul, and 
will be picking that car up.  There are also two guys from Indianapolis who 
have cars at Les Cannaday's in Vista.  We should be able to coordinate some 
how.

Paul,

Can you weigh in on this?

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ljordan704 at netscape.net>
To: <solex675 at hotmail.com>; <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravans


> That would be the bowling alley in Woodland Hills, in the San Fernando
> Valley.
> Linda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Murphy <solex675 at hotmail.com>
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:33 am
> Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravans
>
> Hey folks!
>
> I am sure that for those of us going to Solvang, we are busily getting
> our
> cars ready and adding any last minute things to our wish lists in
> preperation
> for the show. Shari and I are getting our own 1966 1600 ready to go and
> while
> I was going through some things it occured to me that I have not seen
> any
> discussions about any caravans that will be heading North to Solvang
> from
> Southern California. So I thought I would go ahead and start the dialog
> and
> see what other people are planning to do.
>
> I usually head out on Friday, although I know there are a lot of people
> who
> get up early on Saturday morning to make the show. For those of us who
> head
> out on Friday, I am proposing two stops to meet and pick up people
> heading up
> to the show. The first stop would be at the Irvine Spectrum, right
> where I-405
> and I-5 meet in Irvine, and the second stop would be at the bowling
> alley in
> Westlake Village up in the San Fernando valley of highway 101.
>
> No exact times yet, and I would be glad to get other people's input as
> to my
> proposed locations and times. It has worked out pretty well in the past
> and
> should again. So please drop a line and let me know what you think. I
> think
> Solvang is going to be another great show this year and I look forward
> to
> seeing everyone and their cars.
>
> See you on the road!
>
> Andrew Murphy
> 1966 1600
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  2 21:51:41 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:51:41 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ovoid Gasket
Message-ID: <BAY106-W265C6E5F553302FC14C738DFF70@phx.gbl>

Hi

Looking for the rubber gasket that sits below the cigarette lighter (I think )
. Mine has turned to silid rubber and in spite of all softening it is cracked
beyond all repairt - does any one have a salveageable one'


Peter

From wilhouse at charter.net  Thu Apr  3 05:36:27 2008
From: wilhouse at charter.net (Ken & Tammy Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:36:27 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Free parts are taken, but cool motorcycle OT
Message-ID: <006f01c89587$561501c0$fd68c418@wilhouse>

Hey everybody,
Tim is getting the transmission parts.  The bonus is that he lives near and I
don't have to package them.  Thanks Tim.

Off topic, but pretty cool if you are into such things.  My Dad works for an
auctioneer in Kansas.  They have an auction this weekend.  There are many old
cars, trucks, engines and the usual farm auction stuff.  And, an original '49
Harley panhead.  The odometer shows 1800 miles, hasn't seen the light of day
since the late 70's.  Interested?  I thought it would make a great gift to
yours truly, but my Dad just laughed.  Cool photos at
http://www.thummelauction.com
Ken

From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com  Thu Apr  3 06:15:40 2008
From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:15:40 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Ovoid Gasket
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W265C6E5F553302FC14C738DFF70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-W265C6E5F553302FC14C738DFF70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47F4D87C.4080305@hornesystemstx.com>

Peter,

You might try using an O-ring. If you don't use the lighter as a lighter 
it won't get hot enough to possibly cause problems with it melting.

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake peter harrison:
> Hi
>
> Looking for the rubber gasket that sits below the cigarette lighter (I think )
> . Mine has turned to silid rubber and in spite of all softening it is cracked
> beyond all repairt - does any one have a salveageable one'
>
>
> Peter
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From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Thu Apr  3 07:10:05 2008
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:10:05 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Some 'project' ads seen, CA Craigslist
Message-ID: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D86BAFC@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>

Just saw this ad on CL in LA, might be a jumping off point / candidate
for an engine swap, or 1600 daily driver.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/car/626422030.html

Or this one in Sacto has been there for a while, anyone taken a look at
this?
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/car/628214776.html

This 1200 coupe, although not a roadster, showed up on CL in Sacto, car
is in Reno.  One of my favorite body styles.
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/car/621756483.html

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Thu Apr  3 07:20:03 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:20:03 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ovoid Gasket
In-Reply-To: <47F4D87C.4080305@hornesystemstx.com>
References: <BAY106-W265C6E5F553302FC14C738DFF70@phx.gbl>
	<47F4D87C.4080305@hornesystemstx.com>
Message-ID: <8CA63ACEBAE2444-EE0-112@webmail-nc10.sysops.aol.com>

Harbor Freight has a giant O ring box assortment for cheap.
Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Horne <roadsters at hornesystemstx.com>
To: peter harrison <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com>
Cc: datsun <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 6:15 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ovoid Gasket










Peter,

You might try using an O-ring. If you don't use the lighter as a 
lighter
it won't get hot enough to possibly cause problems with it melting.

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake peter harrison:
> Hi
>
> Looking for the rubber gasket that sits below the cigarette lighter 
(I think )
> . Mine has turned to silid rubber and in spite of all softening it is 
cracked
> beyond all repairt - does any one have a salveageable one'
>
>
> Peter
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  3 10:12:38 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:12:38 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ovoid Gasket / Plug
In-Reply-To: <8CA63ACEBAE2444-EE0-112@webmail-nc10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <BAY106-W265C6E5F553302FC14C738DFF70@phx.gbl>
	<47F4D87C.4080305@hornesystemstx.com>
	<8CA63ACEBAE2444-EE0-112@webmail-nc10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W16FA52F2E8083755C2B15DDFF70@phx.gbl>

My mistake - I should have said PLUG - it's about 1.5 ins long, 1 in wide and
about 1 in deep. Fills the hole under the cigarrette lighter and stops road
crud coming in.

From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  3 10:57:11 2008
From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:57:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] volvo conversion
Message-ID: <546656.21553.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi everyone
i'm in los angeles, and am seeking a machine shop to both reduce the diameter of my rotors, and press in new studs.  i've called several places, both machine shops and tire places, and no one will cut the rotors.  can anyone recommend a shop in the greater LA area who will?  i know Stan said that any shop with a brake lathe should be able to do it, but i'm not finding one.
thanks in advance
steve
675MIZU

From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  3 11:00:54 2008
From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:00:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] volvo conversion, part deux
Message-ID: <411842.92132.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi again
it turns out that mark degroff, the cylinder head guru located near dean's shop, can and will do both the rotors and the studs.
woohoo!
s
675MIZU

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Apr  3 15:00:02 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:00:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Rebuilt choke cables
Message-ID: <20080403180002.KF6H5.126255.root@fepweb12>

Some time last year some one on this list was offering for sale re-built choke cables.

Please contact me off list. I have some cores to give you. 

Pay it forward with free parts for Roadster Karma.


Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Thu Apr  3 16:59:20 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:59:20 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] [OT] No April Fool's jokes this year?
In-Reply-To: <47F43465.6060205@hornesystemstx.com>
Message-ID: <002801c895e6$bd7901e0$6600a8c0@delled48909442>

That was the joke...Made you look!!!!


Dave Brisco
ECR

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Horne [mailto:roadsters at hornesystemstx.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:36 PM
To: DATSUN LIST
Subject: [Roadsters] [OT] No April Fool's jokes this year?

I had been looking forward to our annual April Fool's posting, but 
didn't see even one. Maybe it/they was there, but I totally missed 
it/them. Anyway, just to show how gullible some folks are, and to 
appease the Roadster karma gods, I am posting this after the fact.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/1/newsid_2819000/
2819261.stm

Peace,
Pat

-- 
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(512) 797-7501 Voice		5026 FM 2001
Pat at HorneSystemsTx.com	Lockhart, TX 78644-4443
www.hornesystemstx.com
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  3 19:50:23 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:50:23 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Saturday Caravan
Message-ID: <BAY106-W16FF945DE61F431C778F35DFF60@phx.gbl>

There have been recent threads re Friday caravanning to Solvang.

Anyone interested in a Saturday caravan?

We can start at my house (Van Nuys) for coffee and stuff and head out from
there.

Please let me know.

BTW - who is going on Iron Bottom - I know Fergus, Victor, Les (in as yet an
undetermined car) and I are - any other roadsters ??

Peter
(818) 448 3181

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  3 20:46:01 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:46:01 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 1970 Side Vents
Message-ID: <BAY106-W5341A079B5FE59AC36D80BDFF60@phx.gbl>

Since I am having Eliza repainted  etc. I bought new window vent rubbers from
Dean  since the old ones were cracked and indeed falling off. I was thinking
of hacving the frames rechromed when I noticed that the insides are more of a
flat/matte finish. Probabl;y some DOT safety measure. Anyhoo - anyone have any
idea  how to recreate the interior finish ??

Thx

Peter
818 448 3181

From zubkoff at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  4 08:11:44 2008
From: zubkoff at sbcglobal.net (Dan Zubkoff)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY Re: '63 1500 Description
 Comments from Newbie
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http://tinyurl.com/6q7hy7
   
  My Opinion-> The seller is selling a 1967.5 model SPL311, not a 1961 Prototype Datsun.
   
  Though the seller concedes it could be a fluke problem with DMV, but the car is represented in large type as possibly a '1961 Japanese Prototype'.. 
   
  ".....perhaps it's a real-deal prototype from 1961 of what would be become the 1967 Datsun Fairlady Roadster, the DMV tells me this car was manufactured and registered in California in 1961 but first sold by a dealer in the United States in 1967."
   
  The seller openly & clearly concedes that he doesn't know if this is a 1961 car. 
   
  However, the facts point to simply that the California DMV made a clerical mistake and switched a digit 7 for a digit 1 on the title.
   
  The car is missing the unique features of the 1961 Prototype SPL310 vehicle. Also, the fact that a member on this list owns the Prototype left hand drive vehicle shown at the New York Autoshow makes the seller's claim suspect. 
   
  http://tinyurl.com/3k53an
   
  So, roadster experts out there....Do you think this is a special 1961 Prototype car or simply a 1967.5 SPL311 with a small typo on the title?
   
  Dan Zubkoff
  Houston, TX
   
  PS: In 1961 in California the original type license plates would be the Yellow License Plates (1956-1962).
   
  http://tinyurl.com/5meloa
  
Seth Asher <sasher at olympiawest.com> wrote:
  People seem not to read the entire ebay post, combined with not
understanding the rules of ebay. Below user Ruth comments that the
description said something different before, but descriptions can't be
changed once there are bids, so it couldn't have said something
different last time she looked.

Regarding user Mark Dent's comment, the description doesn't say anything
refutable about family -- it says his family, friends and acquaintances
have wanted this model car. Why can't he know the history regardless of
how long he's owned the car?


From: Ruth 
...various members of my family, friends and acquaintances have wanted
this car
>Coulda sworn that said "has owned this car" last time I looked.

From: "Mark Dent" 
> that text in the description about family and knowing the history
> is pure BS
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From tomet9 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  4 08:37:27 2008
From: tomet9 at sbcglobal.net (Tom PRATHER)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:37:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY Re: '63 1500
 Description Comments from Newbie
In-Reply-To: <759378.74150.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <554764.62252.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,
   
     I agree that this is a later model, earlier models had a less of a flair to the front fender and a trunk latch on the trunk lid. Also trunk hinges were visible on the trunk.

Dan Zubkoff <zubkoff at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  http://tinyurl.com/6q7hy7

My Opinion-> The seller is selling a 1967.5 model SPL311, not a 1961 Prototype Datsun.

Though the seller concedes it could be a fluke problem with DMV, but the car is represented in large type as possibly a '1961 Japanese Prototype'.. 

".....perhaps it's a real-deal prototype from 1961 of what would be become the 1967 Datsun Fairlady Roadster, the DMV tells me this car was manufactured and registered in California in 1961 but first sold by a dealer in the United States in 1967."

The seller openly & clearly concedes that he doesn't know if this is a 1961 car. 

However, the facts point to simply that the California DMV made a clerical mistake and switched a digit 7 for a digit 1 on the title.

The car is missing the unique features of the 1961 Prototype SPL310 vehicle. Also, the fact that a member on this list owns the Prototype left hand drive vehicle shown at the New York Autoshow makes the seller's claim suspect. 

http://tinyurl.com/3k53an

So, roadster experts out there....Do you think this is a special 1961 Prototype car or simply a 1967.5 SPL311 with a small typo on the title?

Dan Zubkoff
Houston, TX

PS: In 1961 in California the original type license plates would be the Yellow License Plates (1956-1962).

http://tinyurl.com/5meloa

Seth Asher wrote:
People seem not to read the entire ebay post, combined with not
understanding the rules of ebay. Below user Ruth comments that the
description said something different before, but descriptions can't be
changed once there are bids, so it couldn't have said something
different last time she looked.

Regarding user Mark Dent's comment, the description doesn't say anything
refutable about family -- it says his family, friends and acquaintances
have wanted this model car. Why can't he know the history regardless of
how long he's owned the car?


From: Ruth 
...various members of my family, friends and acquaintances have wanted
this car
>Coulda sworn that said "has owned this car" last time I looked.

From: "Mark Dent" 
> that text in the description about family and knowing the history
> is pure BS
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From sasher at olympiawest.com  Fri Apr  4 08:48:07 2008
From: sasher at olympiawest.com (Seth Asher)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:48:07 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] datsun ebay question
Message-ID: <55E8E15C05A7FE49BFCD6DC7C6BDD3C901790F53@OMGServer2.omg.local>

Can anyone tell me not just the rule of the group, but whether it
generally annoys people, when users send a link to their auction site
when they are selling their Fairlady Roadster?

If it would generally be OK with everyone, I am auctioning my car on
eBay, it's a really nice car and I would like to let the group know by
sending the link.



Seth Asher
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From PDFenter at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 08:57:41 2008
From: PDFenter at aol.com (PDFenter at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:57:41 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject)
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Title may say one thing but look at the VIN SPL311********, 67 1/2  1600.
 
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From shifty at shiftco.com  Fri Apr  4 09:03:14 2008
From: shifty at shiftco.com (Leigh Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:03:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY
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It's clearly a '67.5. The seller is trying to profit off of a DMV snafu.

Why put a pair of black plates on the car for photos? Why not take a  
better picture of the ID plate.

Why would Nissan build a "prototype" 6.5 years early?

Leigh Brooks

From chalsted at comcast.net  Fri Apr  4 09:45:15 2008
From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:45:15 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY Re: '63 1500
 Description Comments from Newbie
References: <759378.74150.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003601c89673$42ce7050$8f65a343@craigscomputer>

well, at least all of us on the list know it's not a prototype.. definitely 
a 67.5 1600 regardless of whatever else the auction may say about it. 
doesn't appear to be a bad car, it's a shame he muddled up the whole auction 
process with this "prototype" nonsense. I sent him an e-mail thru ebay to 
enlighten him and give him a definitive answer- wonder if he'll add that to 
his comments on the auction... I still have what is believed to be the only 
known existing prototype 1500 with documentation from Nissan Corporate as to 
it's authenticity. it's rough, but it's available. not cheap though... 
numbers matching car.  SPL310-00003 is getting ever closer to being a driver 
with paint and interior done, would field inquiries on that one too.

Craig Halsted 

From sasher at olympiawest.com  Fri Apr  4 11:20:32 2008
From: sasher at olympiawest.com (Seth Asher)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:20:32 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  datsun ebay question / 61/67 1600 Roadster
Message-ID: <55E8E15C05A7FE49BFCD6DC7C6BDD3C901790F55@OMGServer2.omg.local>

Hi Roadsterites, due to good positive responses to my question, I am
posting the link to my auction.  Within the next couple days, I'll be
updating the auction with my more youtubes. Here's the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/67-61-P-type-Datsun-Fairlady-Roadster-Con
vertible_W0QQitemZ330224675726QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330224675726

Unless anyone objects, I'll post it again the weekend the auction's
going to end.  I think this is a really nice example of a 1600 I have,
so if anyone knows of someone interested in one or has been encouraging
his or her friend to buy one, please forward the link to them.  It would
be easy to ship this California car anywhere in the country.

Thanks for all your help.

Seth

________________________________

From: steven boortz [mailto:vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:40 AM
To: Seth Asher
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] datsun ebay question


i welcome such links.
s
675MIZU


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From: Seth Asher <sasher at olympiawest.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 8:48:07 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] datsun ebay question

Can anyone tell me not just the rule of the group, but whether it
generally annoys people, when users send a link to their auction site
when they are selling their Fairlady Roadster?

If it would generally be OK with everyone, I am auctioning my car on
eBay, it's a really nice car and I would like to let the group know by
sending the link.



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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Fri Apr  4 12:38:10 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:38:10 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] datsun ebay question
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No boddah me! <g>

Pete

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Seth Asher" <sasher at olympiawest.com>
> Can anyone tell me not just the rule of the group, but whether it
> generally annoys people, when users send a link to their auction site
> when they are selling their Fairlady Roadster?
> 
> If it would generally be OK with everyone, I am auctioning my car on
> eBay, it's a really nice car and I would like to let the group know by
> sending the link.
> 
> 
> 
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From tminerpcav at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 14:37:42 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:37:42 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY
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This guy is a f__kin' idiot.? He's got a cheeseball car and he's trying to trump up the value on some unsuspecting fool.

Notice there's?no reserve. At least he's smart enough to take what he can get.

Tim Miner


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Subject: Re: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY



It's clearly a '67.5. The seller is trying to profit off of a DMV snafu.

Why put a pair of black plates on the car for photos? Why not take a  
better picture of the ID plate.

Why would Nissan build a "prototype" 6.5 years early?

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From frankr at hwcn.org  Fri Apr  4 14:50:31 2008
From: frankr at hwcn.org (Frank Roggeband)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] OT 510 wagon on Ontario Z Car website
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10804041734140.12496-100000@james.hwcn.org>

Greetings,

Its been a while since I posted anything. Yes I am still around and
my 67 is still split between the garage and the basement. Still a work
in progress. 

If anyone would like to check it out, a photo of my 510 wagon is on the
main page of the Ontario Z-car website. www.ontariozcar.com Just an
example of what we frost-bitten Canadian boys get up to when the snow
flies. Some day the roadster will look this good.

In the mean time other projects include a 74 honda cb360t and a 77 Honda
civic wagon that has been converted to rear wheel drive. The honda wagon
will be getting a roll cage and a Chevy small block 400! Quarter mile car
all the way. As I see it 0 to whatever in the time it takes to crap your
pants!
 
Later
Frank.  67 1600, 71 510 wagon, 89 toyota daily driver, 74 cb360t and
        77 Honda wagon
Hamilton Ontario

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  4 14:55:23 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:55:23 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY
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Given the disclaimer below as contained in the eBay offering - whether the guy
is a f^&%'ing idiot or not,  it strikes me that he is uninformed and ready to
admit it.  Honestly, I don't get the fuss about this - and for the expected
price - probably $3,250 eventually, looks like quite a good deal IMVHO.

Not too keen on the whitewalls - but that is just perspective.


NOTE:  I want to emphasize that I really don't know what year this car is, or
whether it is a prototype or not.  If you look at the history / Japanese
Roadster pages and then Fairlady Prototypes section of fairlady.org you can
see the right-hand drive car unveiled at the 1961 Tokyo Motorshow looks
strikingly like this car, but obviously that's not conclusive.
http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Prototypes.htm The same prototype was also
shown in New York in 1962.  There are many people more expert with these cars
than I am.  I have been told it is indeed a 1961 prototype.  I have been told
it isn't.  I have been told it's not a 1967, but rather a 1967 and a half.  I
have also been told it's neither a 1961, 1967, or a 1967.5, but rather that
Nissan/Datsun often mis-printed the years on many of their cars, or were not
consistent in how they used VIN and engine numbers.  If any of that is
important to you, please do your homework, as the car is sold as-is and I
leave the responsibility for ascertaining information about what this unique
item is to you.

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  4 15:00:41 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Still Looking for a 510 wagon
Message-ID: <BAY106-W41E3F5C002D8AA6A20A697DFF60@phx.gbl>

There was one  on eBay that Les checked out for me and pronounced it good but
it went for 4250+.

Any consensus on the worth of a 510 wagon

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From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (fairlady66 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri,  4 Apr 2008 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Photos from Chris Breyer - Upholstery of Seats and
	more...
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From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 17:21:41 2008
From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller
Message-ID: <240515.77890.qm@web53502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey, Larry!
Isn't this the same "Seth Asher" that bought your 63 for a song and resold it 2 weeks later (for a nice fat profit) as a family heirloom?  If I recall, that whole mess caused a big stink all over this board!
Patti

 
       
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Fri Apr  4 19:33:37 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:33:37 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 2, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1207335602.28024.datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004301c896c5$76d42f00$6600a8c0@delled48909442>

It's pretty simple, IMHO  VIN number, obvious.  Even if that was
changed, I would make a 99% sure guess that dual master cylinders didn't
exist in 1961, and nether did an aluminum head for these motors.  so,
either ignorance or intentional misstatements on the description.

Buyer beware and if you don't do the research, deserve what you get.

On a good note, I like the tan interior, and if it is as described,
aside from the prototype fairytale, might be a great car for $3000.oo. I
wouldn't buy it sight unseen, but a good look over would confirm
condition.  This whole prototype thing might backfire on him...If people
think it's BS, less bidders, lower price, someone may get a deal.  Have
DMV correct the typo, all good.

Dave Brisco
ECR

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Fri Apr  4 19:34:18 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:34:18 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 2, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1207335602.28024.datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004401c896c5$8d62b840$6600a8c0@delled48909442>

It's pretty simple, IMHO  VIN number, obvious.  Even if that was
changed, I would make a 99% sure guess that dual master cylinders didn't
exist in 1961, and nether did an aluminum head for these motors.  so,
either ignorance or intentional misstatements on the description.

Buyer beware and if you don't do the research, deserve what you get.

On a good note, I like the tan interior, and if it is as described,
aside from the prototype fairytale, might be a great car for $3000.oo. I
wouldn't buy it sight unseen, but a good look over would confirm
condition.  This whole prototype thing might backfire on him...If people
think it's BS, less bidders, lower price, someone may get a deal.  Have
DMV correct the typo, all good.

Dave Brisco
ECR

From aultgc at att.net  Fri Apr  4 20:03:30 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:03:30 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 2, Issue 146
References: <004301c896c5$76d42f00$6600a8c0@delled48909442>
Message-ID: <000f01c896c9$a0bbbc30$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

There's no question that the later body style did not exist, even in 
prototype form, in 1961.  I'd want a REAL close personal look at this car 
before spending any money on it.

Gary Ault

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Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 2, Issue 146


> It's pretty simple, IMHO  VIN number, obvious.  Even if that was
> changed, I would make a 99% sure guess that dual master cylinders didn't
> exist in 1961, and nether did an aluminum head for these motors.  so,
> either ignorance or intentional misstatements on the description.
>
> Buyer beware and if you don't do the research, deserve what you get.
>
> On a good note, I like the tan interior, and if it is as described,
> aside from the prototype fairytale, might be a great car for $3000.oo. I
> wouldn't buy it sight unseen, but a good look over would confirm
> condition.  This whole prototype thing might backfire on him...If people
> think it's BS, less bidders, lower price, someone may get a deal.  Have
> DMV correct the typo, all good.
>
> Dave Brisco
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Fri Apr  4 20:18:02 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:18:02 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  datsun ebay question / 61/67 1600 Roadster
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Sounds like you got a lot of 'Splaining to do, Lucy...

So what's the deal with the whole prototype thing?  

Dave Brisco
ECR
-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Asher [mailto:sasher at olympiawest.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:21 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] FW: datsun ebay question / 61/67 1600 Roadster

From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 20:34:26 2008
From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] FW:  datsun ebay question / 61/67 1600 Roadster
Message-ID: <738442.29551.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

i have to say, i actually really like the color combo with the big white walls.  and i'm not sure why.

too, did you see it has a 2 litre radiator?

s
675MIZU

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Sounds like you got a lot of 'Splaining to do, Lucy...

So what's the deal with the whole prototype thing?  

Dave Brisco
ECR
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From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 21:10:52 2008
From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 21:10:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Fwd: Re: EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller
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Same guy.
Like I said earlier, its my f--up for selling it cheap.
But calling it a "heirloom" on ebay, and a "family heirloom" on craigslist was
sleazier than sleazy.

Larry
  ----- Original Message -----
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  Subject: EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller


  Hey, Larry!
  Isn't this the same "Seth Asher" that bought your 63 for a song and resold
it 2 weeks later (for a nice fat profit) as a family heirloom?  If I recall,
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From chalsted at comcast.net  Sat Apr  5 03:49:07 2008
From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:49:07 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Fwd: Re: EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller
References: <901821.84700.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c8970a$ad3e5670$8f65a343@craigscomputer>

IDear 672000 (chalsted at comcast.net),

Our records show that you recently received an email from goldenrulefan 
through the Ask Seller a Question or Contact eBay Member features. This 
email may be fraudulent and an attempt to do one of the following:

- Obtain your eBay password
- Gain access to your eBay account
- Use your eBay account for fraudulent activity
- Set up an outside-of-eBay transaction which may be fraudulent
just got the following from ebay:


this was after I'd contacted Seth Asher to enlighten him about the 
"prototype"

Craig 

From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 05:59:37 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 08:59:37 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY Re: '63 1500
 Description Comment...
Message-ID: <cec.2e79d711.3528d1b9@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/4/2008 8:38:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
tomet9 at sbcglobal.net writes:


However, the facts point to simply that the California DMV made a  clerical 
mistake and switched a digit 7 for a digit 1 on the  title.



Errors are made. My SPL311 almost ended up as a SPL3ZZ. 
 
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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 06:03:15 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:03:15 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] datsun ebay question
Message-ID: <d53.2a12a225.3528d293@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/4/2008 8:49:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
sasher at olympiawest.com writes:

Can  anyone tell me not just the rule of the group, but whether it
generally  annoys people, when users send a link to their auction site
when they are  selling their Fairlady Roadster?

If it would generally be OK with  everyone, I am auctioning my car on
eBay, it's a really nice car and I  would like to let the group know by
sending the  link.





As far as I'm concerned, link away. Those of us who are concidered vendors  
are supposed to limit ourselves to one commercial post per month. As long as we 
 don't get buried with them I don't see a problem. 
 
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From aiken1315 at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr  5 06:56:46 2008
From: aiken1315 at bellsouth.net (aiken1315 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:56:46 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY Re: '63 1500
 Description Comment...
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Message-ID: <040520081356.23686.47F7851E00021DEC00005C8622243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net>

 My title showed SRL311 from CA when I bought it.  I convinced SC DMV to change it to SPL.

David
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> In a message dated 4/4/2008 8:38:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
> tomet9 at sbcglobal.net writes:
> 
> 
> However, the facts point to simply that the California DMV made a  clerical 
> mistake and switched a digit 7 for a digit 1 on the  title.
> 
> 
> 
> Errors are made. My SPL311 almost ended up as a SPL3ZZ. 
>  
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From jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  5 13:05:18 2008
From: jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net (jtorres67)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:05:18 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] ATTENTION! ATTENTION! SOLVANG EMERGENCY!!!
Message-ID: <000601c89758$6690eff0$e1736b4b@Torres>

Dear Roadster People,

Unfortunately my recent move has caused my Solvang Show Web Page to Crash.
Sooooo.......If there is anyone out there, or you know anyone out there that
needs registration information. I can e-mail them a PDF registration form. I
would appreciate the help in spreading the word. I can be reached by cell
phone at 559-707-0894 for more info at anytime.

Thanks for the understanding!!!

Jeff T.

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Sat Apr  5 14:16:35 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:16:35 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] ATTENTION! ATTENTION! SOLVANG EMERGENCY!!!
In-Reply-To: <000601c89758$6690eff0$e1736b4b@Torres>
References: <000601c89758$6690eff0$e1736b4b@Torres>
Message-ID: <8CA65797675A669-1540-3618@webmail-nd19.sysops.aol.com>

Jeff,
Just keep this thread alive by either responding or repeating 
frequently so that the casual users will not miss it.
Bump!
Linda


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From: jtorres67 <jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 1:05 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] ATTENTION! ATTENTION! SOLVANG EMERGENCY!!!










Dear Roadster People,

Unfortunately my recent move has caused my Solvang Show Web Page to 
Crash.
Sooooo.......If there is anyone out there, or you know anyone out there 
that
needs registration information. I can e-mail them a PDF registration 
form. I
would appreciate the help in spreading the word. I can be reached by 
cell
phone at 559-707-0894 for more info at anytime.

Thanks for the understanding!!!

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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Sat Apr  5 16:05:53 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:05:53 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] My opinion-> AUCTION ON EBAY Re: '63
 1500Description Comment...
In-Reply-To: <cec.2e79d711.3528d1b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c89771$99b03620$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

So it would have then been a rare 350z prototype?  ;)

Dave Brisco
ECR

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith0alan at aol.com [mailto:Keith0alan at aol.com] 

However, the facts point to simply that the California DMV made a
clerical 
mistake and switched a digit 7 for a digit 1 on the  title.



Errors are made. My SPL311 almost ended up as a SPL3ZZ. 
 
keith

From aultgc at att.net  Sat Apr  5 16:07:23 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:07:23 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Fwd: Re: EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller
References: <901821.84700.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<001f01c8970a$ad3e5670$8f65a343@craigscomputer>
Message-ID: <001e01c89771$cffb2320$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Sounds like a seller to stay away from.  Too bad we can't warn prospective 
buyers who are not on the List.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chalsted" <chalsted at comcast.net>
To: "Patti Dwinell" <fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fwd: Re: EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller


> IDear 672000 (chalsted at comcast.net),
>
> Our records show that you recently received an email from goldenrulefan
> through the Ask Seller a Question or Contact eBay Member features. This
> email may be fraudulent and an attempt to do one of the following:
>
> - Obtain your eBay password
> - Gain access to your eBay account
> - Use your eBay account for fraudulent activity
> - Set up an outside-of-eBay transaction which may be fraudulent
> just got the following from ebay:
>
>
> this was after I'd contacted Seth Asher to enlighten him about the
> "prototype"
>
> Craig
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From tminerpcav at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 16:46:15 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:46:15 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Fwd: Re: EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller
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Ok, I've been reading all the replys and I feel I've "miss spoken" with my earlier opinion.

He's not an idiot, he's an a--hole.

Tim


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To: All list <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 9:10 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] Fwd: Re: EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller



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Same guy.
Like I said earlier, its my f--up for selling it cheap.
But calling it a "heirloom" on ebay, and a "family heirloom" on craigslist was
sleazier than sleazy.

Larry
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Patti Dwinell
  To: Larry Braddock
  Cc: All list
  Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:21 PM
  Subject: EBAY Auction (prototype) Seller


  Hey, Larry!
  Isn't this the same "Seth Asher" that bought your 63 for a song and resold
it 2 weeks later (for a nice fat profit) as a family heirloom?  If I recall,
that whole mess caused a big stink all over this board!
  Patti




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From PDFenter at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 16:51:20 2008
From: PDFenter at aol.com (PDFenter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:51:20 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay
Message-ID: <bd2.1d5a03c5.35296a78@aol.com>

So no update on his description, and another family heirlom...
 
He is on the list and asked about posting the listing here. Should know  
better.
 
wtf
 
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From PDFenter at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 16:54:15 2008
From: PDFenter at aol.com (PDFenter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:54:15 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay
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Looks like the listing is gone. Not showing ended maybe revising.
 
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From tminerpcav at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 17:36:08 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay
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Message-ID: <8CA659556C99031-1C4-1B40@webmail-nb11.sysops.aol.com>

Oh well.

Maybe if we all keep an eye out for this "very special" car guy and call him out every time he brings one our the Roadsters to market, he'll go find some other mark to discredit. We can only hope.

Tim


---- Original Message ----
From: PDFenter at aol.com
To: Tminerpcav at aol.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 4:51 pm
Subject: Ebay



So no update on his description, and another family heirlom...

?

He is on the list and asked about posting the listing here. Should know better.

?

wtf

?

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From tminerpcav at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 17:54:15 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:54:15 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 2, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <004301c896c5$76d42f00$6600a8c0@delled48909442>
Message-ID: <8CA6597DE0CE383-1C4-1C1D@webmail-nb11.sysops.aol.com>

Dave,

This guy would never let this car go? for "cheap". I'm certain he's got a list of friendly bidders for his auctions.

Tim


---- Original Message ----
From: dave <daveandlindab at comcast.net>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 2, Issue 146



It's pretty simple, IMHO  VIN number, obvious.  Even if that was
changed, I would make a 99% sure guess that dual master cylinders didn't
exist in 1961, and nether did an aluminum head for these motors.  so,
either ignorance or intentional misstatements on the description.

Buyer beware and if you don't do the research, deserve what you get.

On a good note, I like the tan interior, and if it is as described,
aside from the prototype fairytale, might be a great car for $3000.oo. I
wouldn't buy it sight unseen, but a good look over would confirm
condition.  This whole prototype thing might backfire on him...If people
think it's BS, less bidders, lower price, someone may get a deal.  Have
DMV correct the typo, all good.

Dave Brisco
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From egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us  Sat Apr  5 17:51:02 2008
From: egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us (Eric Gillis)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:51:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] ATTENTION! ATTENTION! SOLVANG EMERGENCY!!!
References: <000601c89758$6690eff0$e1736b4b@Torres>
Message-ID: <65AA4A74232FF24E9BEC8D1163859B1804452351@cusdmx01.cusd.ceres.k12.ca.us>

I found my info on the 311s.org site, thanks for Steve A for uploading and
hosting the info!
http://www.311s.org/SolvangRegistration.pdf
Hope this helps, I will get my reg in this weekend... but sadly no roadster
this time.

Eric G


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From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+egillis=ceres.k12.ca.us at autox.team.net on
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Sent: Sat 4/5/2008 1:05 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] ATTENTION! ATTENTION! SOLVANG EMERGENCY!!!



Dear Roadster People,

Unfortunately my recent move has caused my Solvang Show Web Page to Crash.
Sooooo.......If there is anyone out there, or you know anyone out there that
needs registration information. I can e-mail them a PDF registration form. I
would appreciate the help in spreading the word. I can be reached by cell
phone at 559-707-0894 for more info at anytime.

Thanks for the understanding!!!

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From rlabate at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  5 20:38:56 2008
From: rlabate at sbcglobal.net (Ritchie Labate)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:38:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Compression test re: engine health
Message-ID: <132578.32773.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Being a new Roadster owner ('68 2000), I'd like to assess the general health condition of the engine. I've rebuilt the distributor, replaced the plugs, coil (MSD), and wires (MSD). I checked the compression today and each cylinder registered 145 psi after 5 cranks. Is this acceptable? What would a leak-down test determine compared to todays test? How do I perform such a test? The car doesn't burn any oil but occasionally blows some smoke (running very rich, need to replace carbs). What is the tell-tale diagnostic that would reveal serious engine concerns/rebuild?
   
  Thanks!!
   
  Ritch

From aultgc at att.net  Sat Apr  5 20:54:08 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:54:08 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay
References: <bd2.1d5a03c5.35296a78@aol.com>
	<8CA659556C99031-1C4-1B40@webmail-nb11.sysops.aol.com>
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Tim,

I'm with you.  Let's discredit this guy, and run him off the list.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tminerpcav at aol.com>
To: <PDFenter at aol.com>; <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay


> Oh well.
>
> Maybe if we all keep an eye out for this "very special" car guy and call 
> him out every time he brings one our the Roadsters to market, he'll go 
> find some other mark to discredit. We can only hope.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: PDFenter at aol.com
> To: Tminerpcav at aol.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 4:51 pm
> Subject: Ebay
>
>
>
> So no update on his description, and another family heirlom...
>
> ?
>
> He is on the list and asked about posting the listing here. Should know 
> better.
>
> ?
>
> wtf
>
> ?
>
> Phil
>
>
>
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From aultgc at att.net  Sat Apr  5 21:02:43 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:02:43 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Compression test re: engine health
References: <132578.32773.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01c8979b$10aac050$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Ritch,

Send the carbs to Z-Therapy. Worth every penny.  Then assess whether you 
have other problems.

145 psi isn't great, but compression values depend so much on the gauge and 
other factors that I would hesitate to approve or condem any engine on the 
basis of compression readings alone.  Did you have the clutch in and the 
accelerator pedal to the floor when you cranked the motor?  Uniformity of 
readings is more important than most other parameters, especially when you 
say the car is not burning oil.

Others on the list may have more expert opinions.

Gary Ault

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ritchie Labate" <rlabate at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Datsun Roadster blog" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Compression test re: engine health


> Being a new Roadster owner ('68 2000), I'd like to assess the general 
> health condition of the engine. I've rebuilt the distributor, replaced the 
> plugs, coil (MSD), and wires (MSD). I checked the compression today and 
> each cylinder registered 145 psi after 5 cranks. Is this acceptable? What 
> would a leak-down test determine compared to todays test? How do I perform 
> such a test? The car doesn't burn any oil but occasionally blows some 
> smoke (running very rich, need to replace carbs). What is the tell-tale 
> diagnostic that would reveal serious engine concerns/rebuild?
>
>  Thanks!!
>
>  Ritch
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From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  5 21:12:03 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:12:03 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Webshots Link
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804052112t5b3f71caxc99f17b93e5f467c@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry everyone, was not awatre that the email I sent out would not work.

Here is the link to view mt reupholstery work.

Chris


http://good-times.webshots.com/album/562823544zxAjoq?vhost=good-times


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Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
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From alvingogi at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  5 23:45:28 2008
From: alvingogi at hotmail.com (alvin gogineni)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 06:45:28 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay
In-Reply-To: <009d01c89799$de4a2250$6402a8c0@gaxp1>
References: <bd2.1d5a03c5.35296a78@aol.com>
	<8CA659556C99031-1C4-1B40@webmail-nb11.sysops.aol.com> 
	<009d01c89799$de4a2250$6402a8c0@gaxp1>
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Holy E-thugs!

Alvin GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20> From: aultgc at att.net> To:
PDFenter at aol.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net; tminerpcav at aol.com> Date:
Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:54:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay> > Tim,> > I'm
with you. Let's discredit this guy, and run him off the list.> > Gary> > -----
Original Message ----- > From: <tminerpcav at aol.com>> To: <PDFenter at aol.com>;
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:36 PM>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay> > > > Oh well.> >> > Maybe if we all keep an
eye out for this "very special" car guy and call > > him out every time he
brings one our the Roadsters to market, he'll go > > find some other mark to
discredit. We can only hope.> >> > Tim> >> >> > ---- Original Message ----> >
From: PDFenter at aol.com> > To: Tminerpcav at aol.com;
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> > Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 4:51 pm> > Subject:
Ebay> >> >> >> > So no update on his description, and another family
heirlom...> >> > ?> >> > He is on the list and asked about posting the listing
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Sun Apr  6 08:56:29 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:56:29 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Compression test re: engine health
In-Reply-To: <132578.32773.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000401c897f6$66793e70$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

Doesn't sound too bad, consistent compression is more important than the
actual PSI.  Get the carbs done, they probably have leaking throttle
shafts and see how it is.  Did you desmog the distributor with a 7.5
advance cam?

Dave Brisco
ECR

-----Original Message-----
From: Ritchie Labate [mailto:rlabate at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:39 PM
To: Datsun Roadster blog
Subject: [Roadsters] Compression test re: engine health

Being a new Roadster owner ('68 2000), I'd like to assess the general
health condition of the engine. I've rebuilt the distributor, replaced
the plugs, coil (MSD), and wires (MSD). I checked the compression today
and each cylinder registered 145 psi after 5 cranks. Is this acceptable?
What would a leak-down test determine compared to todays test? How do I
perform such a test? The car doesn't burn any oil but occasionally blows
some smoke (running very rich, need to replace carbs). What is the
tell-tale diagnostic that would reveal serious engine concerns/rebuild?
   
  Thanks!!
   
  Ritch

From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  6 12:09:02 2008
From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Webshots Link
In-Reply-To: <b0b0059f0804052112t5b3f71caxc99f17b93e5f467c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2753.90118.qm@web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

WoW!    Great job!  They look great!
Thank you for sharing this!
Patti



Chris & Christy Breyer <fairlady66 at gmail.com> wrote: Sorry everyone, was not awatre that the email I sent out would not work.

Here is the link to view mt reupholstery work.

Chris


http://good-times.webshots.com/album/562823544zxAjoq?vhost=good-times


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From BARTERDUDE at aol.com  Sun Apr  6 14:22:25 2008
From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:22:25 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] rebuilding fiberglass seat bottom
Message-ID: <cb2.2c0b0655.352a8b01@aol.com>

Hey Roadsterites -
 
I have a '64 Fairlady roadster I am starting to rebuild and the back of the  
fiberglass seat bottom has been broken off, so the seat sits in a major  
reclining mode.  The entire top section of the bucket has broken off, but  still 
have the piece that runs completely across the back.
 
Wondering if it is better to restore the seat bucket or find another (any  
offers).  It is the driver's side seat.
 
Also, the seat rails are pretty groady, so I might be in the market for a  
couple pair.
 
Ideas or offer's are greatly appreciated.  

Gary Lasater  - Parker CO
founding member _www.WyCROC.org_ (http://www.wycroc.org/) 
1963 SPL310-00161C (Single  Carb)
1963 SPL310-00289B (Single Carb)
1964 SPL310-01289
1968  SRL311-11977
1969 SRL311-12536 (licensed as '70)
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From akarcioglu at telus.net  Sun Apr  6 20:34:56 2008
From: akarcioglu at telus.net (alp)
Date: Sun,  6 Apr 2008 19:34:56 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Compression test re: engine health
In-Reply-To: <132578.32773.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <132578.32773.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1207535696.47f98850eab0c@webmail.telus.net>

much better to do a leak down test.  with the leakdown you can assess where
there is a problem much easier and how bad is it.  If the intakes leak it will
show by sounds in the intake track. If the exhaust valves leak look into the
exhaust itself for leaking air sounds and you can check the rings by checking
the dip stick tube for passing air.  Then by the percentage of leaking air you
can decide if it is the time to remidy the problem or not.

From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sun Apr  6 21:12:42 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 23:12:42 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster ranch SU setup web site link
Message-ID: <cdc.26f43ec0.352aeb2a@aol.com>

Hello all,
 
    Worked on the SU setup web site some today.  Miserable time but I really 
wanted to make some progress on it. It still isn't  all I want to to be but it 
is getting there. 
 
 
_Setting up  and adjusting SU/Hitachi carbs on the Datsun Roadster_ 
(http://members.aol.com/roadsterranch/su-setup/su-setup.html)  
 
It is also being mirrored on 311s.org in the wiki tech section. Steve has  
been a big help with this. I will continue to add to it as time goes by.
 
keith "the slow carb guy" williams
 




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From davesmbox at aol.com  Sun Apr  6 21:21:14 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:21:14 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] test
Message-ID: <8CA667591F3FEAE-1328-629B@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com>


From drlsmith at dccnet.com  Sun Apr  6 23:05:13 2008
From: drlsmith at dccnet.com (Daryl Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:05:13 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 1500 Distributor?
Message-ID: <002401c8986c$f6f747f0$5a2ecf18@Daryl>

I have a distributor which I took out of my 1600 years ago because I was told
it was a 1500 dizzy and I would get better performance with a 1600 dizzy.

It has a copper/brass?? plaque rivetted on it which says:
Distributor
D407-02
4040293
Hitachi Ltd.

It is a little bit different than the 1600. Smaller cap, cast iron, flattened
rod sticking out the front looks like it might be for some sort of adjustment.
It seemed to work very well when it was on the car. Was rebuilt by Bob Sr. @
Toyo Motors in Richmond, BC. (mid/late '80s)

I can send pictures tomorrow if anyone is interested.

My question is:
Is this of use to any of the 1500 owners?
If not, Could the core be used for an EI dizzy? (Same bottom end??)

Cheers
Daryl

From drlsmith at dccnet.com  Sun Apr  6 23:17:00 2008
From: drlsmith at dccnet.com (Daryl Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was  Bumper
References: <bf7.2e989871.351eea17@aol.com>
	<004101c891b8$d236b5f0$5a2ecf18@Daryl>
	<BAY106-W2D29C0E10E3502A2C0EB5DFF80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003a01c8986e$9c87a920$5a2ecf18@Daryl>

Thanks for all the responses regarding painting the inside of a rechromed 
bumper.
Mine were painted silver when I got them from the chroming shop. Guess I'll 
just have to have them done again. POR 15 sounds like a good idea, But 
rustoleum may work just as well for a car that rarely gets wet.....

Daryl Smith


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter harrison" <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com>
To: "Daryl Smith" <drlsmith at dccnet.com>; <keith0alan at aol.com>; 
<tputland at charter.net>; <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was Bumper




i always paint the inside with two coats of an appropriate colored 
rustoleum - seems to work fine.
----------------------------------------
> From: drlsmith at dccnet.com
> To: Keith0alan at aol.com; tputland at charter.net; 
> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:20:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was  Bumper
>
> I had my bumpers done about 12 years ago. I now have some rust starting to
> form on the back side of the bumpers.
> Do you coat the back side of the bumpers with POR 15 or similar when you
> first get them back from the platers?
>
> Daryl
>
>
> > tputland at charter.net writes:
> >
> >>From  Keith:              "Your parts will end up  paper thin. "
> >
> > So.....
> >
> > I am a little unclear on this point. I  under stand that the grinding 
> > will
> > thin the metal. But doesn't the chroming  process add (layers of metals)
> > to the
> > part, making it thicker (and  heavier)?
> >
> > Is the thinning from grinding still an issue even with new  metal being
> > added?
> >
> > (read the last line on my signature if you are un  clear as to my mental
> > abilities!) ;-)
> >
> > Tim
> > Belleville, WI.
> > '70 SPL  AND SRL
> > Still clueless but always learning
> >
> >
> >
> > They are removing steel, a structural material, and adding copper, 
> > nickel
> > and chrome, a cosmetic coating. The amount of steel removed to get to 
> > the
> > bottom
> > of the pits is a lot thicker than the amount of copper, nickel, and 
> > chrome
> > you  want to pay for. Good question though, in some applications, like
> > hydraulic  cylinder rods, they will build them up with chrome and grind
> > them down to
> > size.
> >
> > keith

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Mon Apr  7 13:02:03 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:02:03 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster ranch SU setup web site link
Message-ID: <040720081902.21223.47FA6FAB000E8D32000052E72205889116CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Complete or not, this is terrific and much appreciated, Keith.

I'm curious.....is there anything special about tuning SU's on a roadster vs on an L-series engine?

Pete

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Keith0alan at aol.com
> Hello all,
>  
>     Worked on the SU setup web site some today.  Miserable time but I really 
> wanted to make some progress on it. It still isn't  all I want to to be but it 
> is getting there. 
>  
>  
> _Setting up  and adjusting SU/Hitachi carbs on the Datsun Roadster_ 
> (http://members.aol.com/roadsterranch/su-setup/su-setup.html)  
>  
> It is also being mirrored on 311s.org in the wiki tech section. Steve has  
> been a big help with this. I will continue to add to it as time goes by.
>  
> keith "the slow carb guy" williams
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Mon Apr  7 13:27:51 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:27:51 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was  Bumper
Message-ID: <040720081927.11510.47FA75B70008493800002CF62206999735CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Rarely gets wet? In B.C.? That's a short driving season. <g>

Pete "still dreaming of a daily driver"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Daryl Smith" <drlsmith at dccnet.com>
> Thanks for all the responses regarding painting the inside of a rechromed 
> bumper.
> Mine were painted silver when I got them from the chroming shop. Guess I'll 
> just have to have them done again. POR 15 sounds like a good idea, But 
> rustoleum may work just as well for a car that rarely gets wet.....
> 
> Daryl Smith
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter harrison" <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com>
> To: "Daryl Smith" <drlsmith at dccnet.com>; <keith0alan at aol.com>; 
> <tputland at charter.net>; <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was Bumper
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i always paint the inside with two coats of an appropriate colored 
> rustoleum - seems to work fine.
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: drlsmith at dccnet.com
> > To: Keith0alan at aol.com; tputland at charter.net; 
> > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:20:35 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Chrome processing--was  Bumper
> >
> > I had my bumpers done about 12 years ago. I now have some rust starting to
> > form on the back side of the bumpers.
> > Do you coat the back side of the bumpers with POR 15 or similar when you
> > first get them back from the platers?
> >
> > Daryl
> >
> >
> > > tputland at charter.net writes:
> > >
> > >>From  Keith:              "Your parts will end up  paper thin. "
> > >
> > > So.....
> > >
> > > I am a little unclear on this point. I  under stand that the grinding 
> > > will
> > > thin the metal. But doesn't the chroming  process add (layers of metals)
> > > to the
> > > part, making it thicker (and  heavier)?
> > >
> > > Is the thinning from grinding still an issue even with new  metal being
> > > added?
> > >
> > > (read the last line on my signature if you are un  clear as to my mental
> > > abilities!) ;-)
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > Belleville, WI.
> > > '70 SPL  AND SRL
> > > Still clueless but always learning
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They are removing steel, a structural material, and adding copper, 
> > > nickel
> > > and chrome, a cosmetic coating. The amount of steel removed to get to 
> > > the
> > > bottom
> > > of the pits is a lot thicker than the amount of copper, nickel, and 
> > > chrome
> > > you  want to pay for. Good question though, in some applications, like
> > > hydraulic  cylinder rods, they will build them up with chrome and grind
> > > them down to
> > > size.
> > >
> > > keith
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From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 18:07:57 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:07:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Yesterdays Bar B-Q
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804071707r3f5ad825wa92f60e4a0dad7c2@mail.gmail.com>

For all you that could not make the Bar B-Q we had yesterday and for those
that did, we had a great time. We had close to 30 people come through at
sometime during the day. Those that were not Roadster owners were Roadster
lovers.

Seven awesome cars came out and lined up on the curb making it a great
time.  Some owners we had known and some of you we just met and really
enjoyed our time with  you.  There were so many people we are sorry if we
did not get to visit each of as we would have liked to.  We did try our best
to make the rounds and make everyone feel welcomed. If we missed you were
truly sorry, we hope you still had a good time.

We are looking forward to seeing all of you again.

Here is a link for the pictures I took at the Bar B-Q, if you took pictures
if you can email them to me and I will post them in the same album.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563019851ovcgIp?vhost=good-times


See you In Solvang!

Chris & Christy Breyer


-- 
'66 1600
Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From drlsmith at dccnet.com  Mon Apr  7 21:42:53 2008
From: drlsmith at dccnet.com (Daryl Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:42:53 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 1500 Distributor?
References: <002401c8986c$f6f747f0$5a2ecf18@Daryl>
Message-ID: <004901c8992a$a11d0950$5a2ecf18@Daryl>

Ok, By all the responses, I understand that the 1500 Dizzy itself really 
isn't worth much, but, caps are hard to find.
The cap and rotor on this one hardly show any wear at all. Also near new 
points and condenser! (probably still set at correct gap/dwell too!)  No 
shaft slop that I can tell. I didn't use it much before switching to the 
1600 dizzy. But it isn't the prettiest dizzy I've seen.

As many of you know I've gone to a crank fired ignition. The dizzy is 
useless to me. I put this out to the list to possibly help someone keep 
their 1500 going. I'm not in this for the money, But I'm not going to spend 
my time and money sending parts out for a mere "thankyou" anymore. Yes it 
has happened, recently. My fault for not ASKING to be reimbursed for the 
postage.

Mark Dent was the first to respond with part of his message stating "I would 
not mind getting it as a spare, but if someone else needs it to keep one on 
the road, give them 1st shot."  Which is of the same mindset I'm at, with 
this. Keep one on the road.

So, If no one convinces me they NEED  this dizzy (cap/rotor) to keep a car 
on the road, by rights it will go to the first responder (Mark), who also 
volunteered the info about the rarity of the cap. I like being educated 
about the parts I'm passing around. Sorry guys, no "boots" to go with it.
Price to be determined..........  ;-)  $1,000,000.00  !!!!

Daryl


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daryl Smith" <drlsmith at dccnet.com>
To: "Garth Cuthbert" <gcuthber at telus.net>; "Datsun Roadster List" 
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:05 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] 1500 Distributor?


>I have a distributor which I took out of my 1600 years ago because I was 
>told
> it was a 1500 dizzy and I would get better performance with a 1600 dizzy.
>
> It has a copper/brass?? plaque rivetted on it which says:
> Distributor
> D407-02
> 4040293
> Hitachi Ltd.
>
> It is a little bit different than the 1600. Smaller cap, cast iron, 
> flattened
> rod sticking out the front looks like it might be for some sort of 
> adjustment.
> It seemed to work very well when it was on the car. Was rebuilt by Bob Sr. 
> @
> Toyo Motors in Richmond, BC. (mid/late '80s)
>
> I can send pictures tomorrow if anyone is interested.
>
> My question is:
> Is this of use to any of the 1500 owners?
> If not, Could the core be used for an EI dizzy? (Same bottom end??)
>
> Cheers
> Daryl

From larrybraddock at ca.rr.com  Mon Apr  7 23:31:47 2008
From: larrybraddock at ca.rr.com (Larry  Braddock)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:31:47 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 2000 4-sale
Message-ID: <000a01c89939$d71f56c0$b83faa4c@owner4d7e0adce>

I'm selling my 69 2000. Thought I'd put it on the list to see if any members
(or friends of) would be interested B4 I went to craigslist or ebay. Located
in Hollywood CA area, runs great, int. soft top, very nice. Little rust in 2
spots in 1/4 panel. $5500.
(PS   theres a chance it was raced by Paul Newman. The # 's don't  match, but
if you cross your eyes, they almost look the same.)
I'll leave that for you to research.

Larry

From matt at vander-bend.com  Tue Apr  8 10:06:02 2008
From: matt at vander-bend.com (Matt Jacquet)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:06:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10804041734140.12496-100000@james.hwcn.org>
Message-ID: <HNECKPAGNKALIACELFFPGEAPCGAA.matt@vander-bend.com>

Posted to the inactive BADROC site

From: the522roland at yahoo.com

Hi all

The "remains" of a two into one project are available or will have to be
junked. Low windshield car parts including:
two fenders, hood, three doors (with glass, lifts), rolling chassis with
limited body damage at rocker and little rust, cloth covered seats, '66
motor (3 main) was running when project started. Located in Vacaville.

Save it from the junkyard.

David Roland
650 604-4626 work
650 854-7574 home

From slowboy at cox.net  Tue Apr  8 11:52:10 2008
From: slowboy at cox.net (SlowBoy)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:52:10 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Email Outlook Express
Message-ID: <003401c899a1$4592c490$8b01a8c0@m7170n>

This is not as off topic as one would think. I use Outlook Express for the
Datsun Roadster Mailing List and I keep the emails sorted into different
folders.

I just turned on my computer and it seems that my computer has randomly
removed various emails with different ranges of dates.

They are not in the delete basket though I did fine that the backup email
folders were put in the delete basket on March 17th.

Anyone familiar with such an occurence?

Thanks!

Jim

From atmarosi at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  8 12:01:17 2008
From: atmarosi at earthlink.net (Andy M.)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:01:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Roadsters] Email Outlook Express
Message-ID: <33195936.1207677678565.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Outlook Express (OE) was designed with grandma and her getting occasional email in mind.  I'd recommend upgrading to Outlook.  Most of the time it will detect that you have been using OE and it will ask if you want to migrate to it.

-----Original Message-----
>From: SlowBoy <slowboy at cox.net>
>Sent: Apr 8, 2008 10:52 AM
>To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Roadsters] Email Outlook Express
>
>This is not as off topic as one would think. I use Outlook Express for the
>Datsun Roadster Mailing List and I keep the emails sorted into different
>folders.
>
>I just turned on my computer and it seems that my computer has randomly
>removed various emails with different ranges of dates.
>
>They are not in the delete basket though I did fine that the backup email
>folders were put in the delete basket on March 17th.
>
>Anyone familiar with such an occurence?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jim
>________________________________________
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From twobeaners at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  8 12:09:45 2008
From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:09:45 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
References: <HNECKPAGNKALIACELFFPGEAPCGAA.matt@vander-bend.com>
Message-ID: <015a01c899a3$ba1841d0$6500a8c0@lap>

Duh, sorry,
I guess I need to get out more or at least further when I do get out. Where
is Vacaville?
Mike Hudson  '67 - Stroker / 5-speed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Jacquet" <matt at vander-bend.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info


> Posted to the inactive BADROC site
>
> From: the522roland at yahoo.com
>
> Hi all
>
> The "remains" of a two into one project are available or will have to be
> junked. Low windshield car parts including:
> two fenders, hood, three doors (with glass, lifts), rolling chassis with
> limited body damage at rocker and little rust, cloth covered seats, '66
> motor (3 main) was running when project started. Located in Vacaville.
>
> Save it from the junkyard.
>
> David Roland
> 650 604-4626 work
> 650 854-7574 home
> ________________________________________

From tputland at charter.net  Tue Apr  8 12:07:47 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:07:47 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Email Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <33195936.1207677678565.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080408140747.PJ8MO.55110.root@fepweb09>

Ah yes....Microsoft and their corporate motto: PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE.

And I agrees with Andy, switch of Outlook. It is easy to use and fairly stable--just make sure you have all the updates.


Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- "Andy M." <atmarosi at earthlink.net> wrote: 

=============
Outlook Express (OE) was designed with grandma and her getting occasional email in mind.  I'd recommend upgrading to Outlook.  Most of the time it will detect that you have been using OE and it will ask if you want to migrate to it.

-----Original Message-----
>From: SlowBoy <slowboy at cox.net>
>Sent: Apr 8, 2008 10:52 AM
>To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Roadsters] Email Outlook Express
>
>This is not as off topic as one would think. I use Outlook Express for the
>Datsun Roadster Mailing List and I keep the emails sorted into different
>folders.
>
>I just turned on my computer and it seems that my computer has randomly
>removed various emails with different ranges of dates.
>
>They are not in the delete basket though I did fine that the backup email
>folders were put in the delete basket on March 17th.
>
>Anyone familiar with such an occurence?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jim
>________________________________________

From tputland at charter.net  Tue Apr  8 12:09:47 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:09:47 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
In-Reply-To: <015a01c899a3$ba1841d0$6500a8c0@lap>
Message-ID: <20080408140947.W75WJ.55188.root@fepweb09>

On hwy 80 north east of the Bay Area about an hour or so.


Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- "Mike H." <twobeaners at earthlink.net> wrote: 

=============
Duh, sorry,
I guess I need to get out more or at least further when I do get out. Where
is Vacaville?
Mike Hudson  '67 - Stroker / 5-speed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Jacquet" <matt at vander-bend.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info


> Posted to the inactive BADROC site
>
> From: the522roland at yahoo.com
>
> Hi all
>
> The "remains" of a two into one project are available or will have to be
> junked. Low windshield car parts including:
> two fenders, hood, three doors (with glass, lifts), rolling chassis with
> limited body damage at rocker and little rust, cloth covered seats, '66
> motor (3 main) was running when project started. Located in Vacaville.
>
> Save it from the junkyard.
>
> David Roland
> 650 604-4626 work
> 650 854-7574 home
> ________________________________________
________________________________________

From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Tue Apr  8 12:50:16 2008
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:50:16 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Saturday Solvang Caravan
Message-ID: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D895EEE@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>

Not sure who mentioned a Saturday caravan, but I'll be driving up
Saturday morning, starting oh-dark-early in Orange County, aiming for
breakfast in Solvang.
Let me know if anyone wants to join in.  Have to stop somewhere in the
San Fernando Valley for gas anyway.
Note: it seldom has been said "he came along, but fell back too far".
My drivetrain has a happy harmonic place in the mid-70mph range, and
yep, that often puts me on the rear bump stops on LA freeways, but that
is what chinstraps on hats are for, right?.

Fergus O
69 2000
HB, CA

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Tue Apr  8 13:23:50 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:23:50 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Email Outlook Express
Message-ID: <040820081923.27915.47FBC64600004C8D00006D0B2207300793CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

As we say in the industry, "that's a feature, not a bug."

Seriously, I've never heard of random email deletions. Group/folder deletions are 99.9-percent accidentally self-inflicted.

You didn't get hit by the Postcard virus did ya?

Pete

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "SlowBoy" <slowboy at cox.net>
> This is not as off topic as one would think. I use Outlook Express for the
> Datsun Roadster Mailing List and I keep the emails sorted into different
> folders.
> 
> I just turned on my computer and it seems that my computer has randomly
> removed various emails with different ranges of dates.
> 
> They are not in the delete basket though I did fine that the backup email
> folders were put in the delete basket on March 17th.
> 
> Anyone familiar with such an occurence?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jim
> ________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Tue Apr  8 13:27:17 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:27:17 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Email Outlook Express
Message-ID: <040820081927.3887.47FBC7150000EFA400000F2F2207300793CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Oh, yeah. Ditto on moving to the full Outlook product.

Pete "friends don't let friends use Outlook Express"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net
> As we say in the industry, "that's a feature, not a bug."
> 
> Seriously, I've never heard of random email deletions. Group/folder deletions 
> are 99.9-percent accidentally self-inflicted.
> 
> You didn't get hit by the Postcard virus did ya?
> 
> Pete
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "SlowBoy" <slowboy at cox.net>
> > This is not as off topic as one would think. I use Outlook Express for the
> > Datsun Roadster Mailing List and I keep the emails sorted into different
> > folders.
> > 
> > I just turned on my computer and it seems that my computer has randomly
> > removed various emails with different ranges of dates.
> > 
> > They are not in the delete basket though I did fine that the backup email
> > folders were put in the delete basket on March 17th.
> > 
> > Anyone familiar with such an occurence?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Jim
> > ________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > 
> > You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net
> > 
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Tue Apr  8 13:31:05 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:31:05 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
Message-ID: <040820081931.10259.47FBC7F8000E5F82000028132207300793CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Tim,

Mike's in Kansas and may not know what a bay is much less the Bay Area. <g>

Bay Area usually refers to the San Francisco Bay Area. Vacaville is about half-way between San Fran and Sacramento:

<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=vacaville,+ca&ie=UTF8&ll=38.35135,-121.993561&spn=0.784027,1.036835&z=10>

Pete
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
> On hwy 80 north east of the Bay Area about an hour or so.
> 
> 
> Tim
> Belleville, WI.
> '70 SPL AND SRL
> Still clueless but always learning
> 
> ---- "Mike H." <twobeaners at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
> =============
> Duh, sorry,
> I guess I need to get out more or at least further when I do get out. Where
> is Vacaville?
> Mike Hudson  '67 - Stroker / 5-speed
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Matt Jacquet" <matt at vander-bend.com>
> To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:06 AM
> Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
> 
> 
> > Posted to the inactive BADROC site
> >
> > From: the522roland at yahoo.com
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > The "remains" of a two into one project are available or will have to be
> > junked. Low windshield car parts including:
> > two fenders, hood, three doors (with glass, lifts), rolling chassis with
> > limited body damage at rocker and little rust, cloth covered seats, '66
> > motor (3 main) was running when project started. Located in Vacaville.
> >
> > Save it from the junkyard.
> >
> > David Roland
> > 650 604-4626 work
> > 650 854-7574 home
> > ________________________________________
> ________________________________________
> ________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> You are subscribed as ppeters914 at comcast.net
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From twobeaners at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  8 13:53:57 2008
From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:53:57 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
References: <040820081931.10259.47FBC7F8000E5F82000028132207300793CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <018101c899b2$487b2ec0$6500a8c0@lap>

Now wait just a minute!
First of all, I'm in Missouri, although pretty much the same difference.
Second, I DO know what a bay is, especially San Francisco, Oakland,
Monterey, and Mission Bays. My favorite sailing vacation spots. Someday I'll
try the Chesapeake. My narrow vision fantasy is to drive a roadster around
Sausalito / Tiburon, but I would settle for some California canyon twists or
PCH.

Grins back at you, Pete!

Mike Hudson


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ppeters914 at comcast.net>
To: "Datsun Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] just passing along the info


> Tim,
>
> Mike's in Kansas and may not know what a bay is much less the Bay Area.
<g>
>
> Bay Area usually refers to the San Francisco Bay Area. Vacaville is about
half-way between San Fran and Sacramento:
>
>
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=vacaville,+ca&ie=UTF8&ll=3
8.35135,-121.993561&spn=0.784027,1.036835&z=10>
>
> Pete
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
> > On hwy 80 north east of the Bay Area about an hour or so.
> >
> >
> > Tim
> > Belleville, WI.
> > '70 SPL AND SRL
> > Still clueless but always learning
> >
> > ---- "Mike H." <twobeaners at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > Duh, sorry,
> > I guess I need to get out more or at least further when I do get out.
Where
> > is Vacaville?
> > Mike Hudson  '67 - Stroker / 5-speed
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Matt Jacquet" <matt at vander-bend.com>
> > To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:06 AM
> > Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
> >
> >
> > > Posted to the inactive BADROC site
> > >
> > > From: the522roland at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > The "remains" of a two into one project are available or will have to
be
> > > junked. Low windshield car parts including:
> > > two fenders, hood, three doors (with glass, lifts), rolling chassis
with
> > > limited body damage at rocker and little rust, cloth covered seats,
'66
> > > motor (3 main) was running when project started. Located in Vacaville.
> > >
> > > Save it from the junkyard.
> > >
> > > David Roland
> > > 650 604-4626 work
> > > 650 854-7574 home

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Tue Apr  8 15:08:55 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:08:55 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
Message-ID: <040820082108.15770.47FBDEE7000F1B2B00003D9A2207300793CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Hehehehehehehe....Kansas....Missouri (wasn't that a Steven King book?) .....anything between the Rockies and Blue Ridge is the same to me.......

Pete "ducking the thrown objects by the Mid-West folks"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Mike H." <twobeaners at earthlink.net>
> Now wait just a minute!
> First of all, I'm in Missouri, although pretty much the same difference.
> Second, I DO know what a bay is, especially San Francisco, Oakland,
> Monterey, and Mission Bays. My favorite sailing vacation spots. Someday I'll
> try the Chesapeake. My narrow vision fantasy is to drive a roadster around
> Sausalito / Tiburon, but I would settle for some California canyon twists or
> PCH.
> 
> Grins back at you, Pete!
> 
> Mike Hudson
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ppeters914 at comcast.net>
> To: "Datsun Roadster List" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
> 
> 
> > Tim,
> >
> > Mike's in Kansas and may not know what a bay is much less the Bay Area.
> <g>
> >
> > Bay Area usually refers to the San Francisco Bay Area. Vacaville is about
> half-way between San Fran and Sacramento:
> >
> >
> <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=vacaville,+ca&ie=UTF8&ll=3
> 8.35135,-121.993561&spn=0.784027,1.036835&z=10>
> >
> > Pete
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
> > > On hwy 80 north east of the Bay Area about an hour or so.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > Belleville, WI.
> > > '70 SPL AND SRL
> > > Still clueless but always learning
> > >
> > > ---- "Mike H." <twobeaners at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > =============
> > > Duh, sorry,
> > > I guess I need to get out more or at least further when I do get out.
> Where
> > > is Vacaville?
> > > Mike Hudson  '67 - Stroker / 5-speed
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Matt Jacquet" <matt at vander-bend.com>
> > > To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:06 AM
> > > Subject: [Roadsters] just passing along the info
> > >
> > >
> > > > Posted to the inactive BADROC site
> > > >
> > > > From: the522roland at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > The "remains" of a two into one project are available or will have to
> be
> > > > junked. Low windshield car parts including:
> > > > two fenders, hood, three doors (with glass, lifts), rolling chassis
> with
> > > > limited body damage at rocker and little rust, cloth covered seats,
> '66
> > > > motor (3 main) was running when project started. Located in Vacaville.
> > > >
> > > > Save it from the junkyard.
> > > >
> > > > David Roland
> > > > 650 604-4626 work
> > > > 650 854-7574 home

From zubkoff at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  8 16:14:56 2008
From: zubkoff at sbcglobal.net (Dan Zubkoff)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] BADROC website-> Re:  just passing along the info
In-Reply-To: <HNECKPAGNKALIACELFFPGEAPCGAA.matt@vander-bend.com>
Message-ID: <380490.83450.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The BADROC (Bay Area Datsun Roadster Owner's Club) website is in need of folks to help manage content and updates. The community has over 100 Bay Area Roadster Owners, and has the ability to email the BADROC alias for meets and events.
   
  http://badroc.org
   
  The site is very easy to update and you do not need to be highly technically proficient to help update the site.
   
  Anybody interested in helping to maintain the site?
   
  Also, many areas of the site are open to ALL BADROCer's to post to forums, classifieds and more. 
   
  Thanks,
  
Dan Zubkoff
  Houston, TX
  
Matt Jacquet <matt at vander-bend.com> wrote:
  Posted to the inactive BADROC site

From: the522roland at yahoo.com

Hi all

The "remains" of a two into one project are available or will have to be
junked. Low windshield car parts including:
two fenders, hood, three doors (with glass, lifts), rolling chassis with
limited body damage at rocker and little rust, cloth covered seats, '66
motor (3 main) was running when project started. Located in Vacaville.

Save it from the junkyard.

David Roland
650 604-4626 work
650 854-7574 home
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From hallosb at juno.com  Tue Apr  8 22:11:43 2008
From: hallosb at juno.com (hallosb at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:11:43 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Outlook Express Backups (Semi-OT)
Message-ID: <20080408.211143.28691.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

It's not really off topic, if it saves anyone's Roadster email.  I would be
devastated.
If you run a search on "*.dbx", you will find all your Outlook Express
folders.  For example, "Sent Items.dbx". Copy and save all your dbx files to a
backup thumb drive or CD.  That way, if the files get corrupted, you can
re-load them and restore all your mail.
Same goes for Outlook except, the file extension is "pst".
If this is all Chinese, then contact me off list and I'll try to help.
Dan McHatton
'66 1600

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From roadster at astound.net  Tue Apr  8 23:22:46 2008
From: roadster at astound.net (Fred Katz)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:22:46 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Webshots Link
In-Reply-To: <b0b0059f0804052112t5b3f71caxc99f17b93e5f467c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b0b0059f0804052112t5b3f71caxc99f17b93e5f467c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9867DEDF-07E9-4869-9AD7-883670DBDF6A@astound.net>

Fantastic job Chris! I'll use your techniques to rebuild the seats for  
my 1970 1600. I currently have cheap slip-on covers, with a cushion  
pillow under that because the seats  are ripped and the seat foam is  
messed up. Timely post, as I was wondering how to get the job done.

Fred Katz - So.SF, CA
'70 1600
'66 2L

On Apr 5, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Chris & Christy Breyer wrote:

> Sorry everyone, was not awatre that the email I sent out would not  
> work.
>
> Here is the link to view mt reupholstery work.
>
> Chris
>
>
> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/562823544zxAjoq?vhost=good-times
>
>
> -- 
> '66 1600
> Riverside, CA
> ------------------------------------------------------
> This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From chalsted at comcast.net  Wed Apr  9 07:21:17 2008
From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] 1500 seats, Barterdude
Message-ID: <030201c89a44$980fb900$8f65a343@craigscomputer>

I apologize for the bandwidth,...

Gary, I tried to e-mail you to let you know I have a very decent set of 1500
seats available from a 28k original mile 1500 with terminal rust issues. was
returned to me with mail delivery subsystem notation that you are not
accepting mail from "this sender" for some reason.

Craig

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:38:12 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:38:12 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Removing Dash
Message-ID: <BAY106-W22B7D4B3C63721588B5676DFED0@phx.gbl>

Hi List
Removing dash to tidy up electrics/change speedo/install nwe glove box etc.

Any tips/tricks and more importantly GOTCHAS!! I HAVE disconnected the
battery.

Eliza is back from rear-end mods and totally new paint. Hoping to get her
running in time for Solvang. Unlikely to be complete, but that is what is so,

Thanks

Peter

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  9 13:38:56 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:38:56 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Outlook Express Backups (Semi-OT)
Message-ID: <040920081938.6243.47FD1B5000046EFA000018632200761394CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

The one gotcha that'll cause "zero items found" is:

- Default File View is "Do not show hidden files and folders" and "Hide extensions for known file types"
- Even if the above is corrected, you must check the Search --> More Advanced Options --> Search hidden files and folders.

Pete "I speak G(r)eek, too"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "hallosb at juno.com" <hallosb at juno.com>
> It's not really off topic, if it saves anyone's Roadster email.  I would be
> devastated.
> If you run a search on "*.dbx", you will find all your Outlook Express
> folders.  For example, "Sent Items.dbx". Copy and save all your dbx files to a
> backup thumb drive or CD.  That way, if the files get corrupted, you can
> re-load them and restore all your mail.
> Same goes for Outlook except, the file extension is "pst".
> If this is all Chinese, then contact me off list and I'll try to help.
> Dan McHatton
> '66 1600
> 
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From micaaltman at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 20:05:31 2008
From: micaaltman at gmail.com (mica altman)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 69-70 passenger side (right) front fender
Message-ID: <747c1abc0804091905h60318361k1b425c31355aa390@mail.gmail.com>

im in desperate need of a right front fender. i would like to drive my
roadster that i swaped a SR20 into this summer but it has a wrinkled
front fender. and it is unworkable. dont ask how it happened, lets
just say never drive with flip flops, lesson learned. PLEASE HELP... i
have a 1600 block and tranny that are good some doors and various
other bits, ive givin the rest of my parts to some guys in washinton
which is where im located. i will pay for shipping PLEASE HELP MEEEEE
my # is 253-973-3144 my name is mica altman. PLEASE SAVE MY
SUMMER!!!!!!

From tputland at charter.net  Thu Apr 10 05:11:49 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 7:11:49 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] 69-70 passenger side (right) front fender
In-Reply-To: <747c1abc0804091905h60318361k1b425c31355aa390@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080410071149.6GTCE.119075.root@fepweb07>

What year is your car? 

I can help you (with a fender off of a high windshield car) if no one else can but I am sure you will get offers of help. 

If no one else closer does, then Craig Halstead in VA can help you and get you a year specific fender.

PEACE :-)


Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- mica altman <micaaltman at gmail.com> wrote: 

=============
im in desperate need of a right front fender. i would like to drive my
roadster that i swaped a SR20 into this summer but it has a wrinkled
front fender. and it is unworkable. dont ask how it happened, lets
just say never drive with flip flops, lesson learned. PLEASE HELP... i
have a 1600 block and tranny that are good some doors and various
other bits, ive givin the rest of my parts to some guys in washinton
which is where im located. i will pay for shipping PLEASE HELP MEEEEE
my # is 253-973-3144 my name is mica altman. PLEASE SAVE MY
SUMMER!!!!!!
________________________________________

From jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 10 09:15:03 2008
From: jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net (Jeff Torres)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:15:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] SOlvamg SHow Website Info and Update
Message-ID: <130492.27864.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello All,
   
  Well it appears I have managed to get the website up on the Internet. Unfortunately, I have not been able to update the registered participants or input any info, but be assured that I have been receiving registrations(THANKS!). 
   
  Early registration ends tomorrow and If you have not registered, but plan on going to please drop me a line with your info. I'd appreciate it. 
   
  Thanks to everyone for their understanding and support on this. I do believe though that the website is the way to go. I have had many, many requests for info/interest in our Solvang Show from people who knew about it, but never had any way to find out info other than word of mouth. I am certain this will be an avenue for growth and exposure for not only our show, but our Roadster lifestyle as well!  I have been contacted by two sources that made their decision to cover our show this year, in part from the info on the website. The first is a Nissan Mag that has decided to cover our show for the first time and the second is a video production company that does projects for cable and satellite TV. Soooo...there ya' have it. Again thanks to all!!! See you in 16 days!
   
  Jeff T. 

From PDFenter at aol.com  Thu Apr 10 18:06:43 2008
From: PDFenter at aol.com (PDFenter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:06:43 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] cam swap
Message-ID: <cd6.2a2f4299.35300593@aol.com>

Question for everyone.
My 68 2 liter is very stock but has B cam and solex's. My 67 2 liter has a  A 
cam and z therapy su's. I want to put the 68 back to stock and put the  solex 
carbs on the 67.
 
The 67 has the A cam in it. My question is this. I have read that when  
putting a new cam in you want to replace the rocker arms. I am thinking about  
swapping cams between the 2 cars. If I did this I would keep each set of rockers  
with its respective cam, and specifically its cam lobe. Sounds like it would  
work to me but would I like another opinion.
 
Is this practical? Or is it a dumb idea?
 
There is the question all replies welcome and appreciated.
 
Thanks
 
Phil



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From RWM at RWMann.com  Thu Apr 10 18:11:03 2008
From: RWM at RWMann.com (RWM)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:11:03 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] cam swap
In-Reply-To: <cd6.2a2f4299.35300593@aol.com>
References: <cd6.2a2f4299.35300593@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47FEAC97.3080303@RWMann.com>

Why not just swap the heads with their respective cams/rockers/carbs?


PDFenter at aol.com wrote:

>Question for everyone.
>My 68 2 liter is very stock but has B cam and solex's. My 67 2 liter has a  A 
>cam and z therapy su's. I want to put the 68 back to stock and put the  solex 
>carbs on the 67.
> 
>The 67 has the A cam in it. My question is this. I have read that when  
>putting a new cam in you want to replace the rocker arms. I am thinking about  
>swapping cams between the 2 cars. If I did this I would keep each set of rockers  
>with its respective cam, and specifically its cam lobe. Sounds like it would  
>work to me but would I like another opinion.
> 
>Is this practical? Or is it a dumb idea?
> 
>There is the question all replies welcome and appreciated.
> 
>Thanks
> 
>Phil

From sandhoff at csus.edu  Thu Apr 10 18:45:44 2008
From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:45:44 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] cam swap
In-Reply-To: <cd6.2a2f4299.35300593@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47FE5248.13015.1EAE01F@localhost>

>  I have read that when putting a new cam in you want to replace the
> rocker arms.

True. But what's really being said is "don't mix cam lobes and rockers".
That is, always keep the same rocker with the specific lobe. If you
swap cams, take the rockers with it. You shouldn't drop a cam - new
or used - onto used rockers, unless you have the used rockers
reconditioned first). 

So as long as you swap the rockers with the cam - and don't mix them
up - you should be OK.

Any real mechanics care to chime in?

-- John
     John F Sandhoff   sandhoff at csus.edu   Sacramento, CA
        "out back under my shade tree"

From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 10 19:45:27 2008
From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:45:27 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Roadsters] cam swap
Message-ID: <6429701.1207878327737.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

You could swap engines unless matching numbers is of concern.  If so, swap the heads.  Getting the intake/exhaust manifold off with a stock exhaust header in place, with the engine in the car can be a real challenge.  Good luck, Dewey     

-----Original Message-----
>From: PDFenter at aol.com
>Sent: Apr 10, 2008 6:06 PM
>To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Roadsters] cam swap
>
>Question for everyone.
>My 68 2 liter is very stock but has B cam and solex's. My 67 2 liter has a  A 
>cam and z therapy su's. I want to put the 68 back to stock and put the  solex 
>carbs on the 67.
> 
>The 67 has the A cam in it. My question is this. I have read that when  
>putting a new cam in you want to replace the rocker arms. I am thinking about  
>swapping cams between the 2 cars. If I did this I would keep each set of rockers  
>with its respective cam, and specifically its cam lobe. Sounds like it would  
>work to me but would I like another opinion.
> 
>Is this practical? Or is it a dumb idea?
> 
>There is the question all replies welcome and appreciated.
> 
>Thanks
> 
>Phil
>
>
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From aultgc at att.net  Thu Apr 10 20:26:19 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:26:19 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] cam swap
References: <47FE5248.13015.1EAE01F@localhost>
Message-ID: <009f01c89b7b$6d76bd00$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Phil, et. al.,

My understanding is consistent with John's:  Keep the rockers withthe cam, 
lobe for lobe, and you'll be OK.  I certainly hope so, because I put a used 
"B" cam into my car with the same rockers it was run with.  Haven't fired it 
up yet, but ....

I also kept the original "A" cam with it's rockers marked to match just in 
case things don't work out with the "B".

Gary Ault
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John F Sandhoff" <sandhoff at csus.edu>
To: <PDFenter at aol.com>
Cc: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] cam swap


>>  I have read that when putting a new cam in you want to replace the
>> rocker arms.
>
> True. But what's really being said is "don't mix cam lobes and rockers".
> That is, always keep the same rocker with the specific lobe. If you
> swap cams, take the rockers with it. You shouldn't drop a cam - new
> or used - onto used rockers, unless you have the used rockers
> reconditioned first).
>
> So as long as you swap the rockers with the cam - and don't mix them
> up - you should be OK.
>
> Any real mechanics care to chime in?
>
> -- John
>     John F Sandhoff   sandhoff at csus.edu   Sacramento, CA
>        "out back under my shade tree"
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From gregs672liter at netzero.net  Thu Apr 10 21:29:48 2008
From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:29:48 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] cam swap
Message-ID: <20080410.202948.28212.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

As has been said, the rockers should go with the cam on the same lobes as they
have worn together. Before you put the rockers in make sure the cam(s) spins
freely when you tighten the cap nuts just in case there is any variation in
how they worn in as well.  Carefully mark the sprocket to the chain (I use a
sharpie) so things go back together right... one tooth off and you bend
valves.  You will likely have to rebalance the carbs or at least check them as
there may be variations from engine to engine in how each cylinder draws air.
Use new manifold gaskets.  Put a rag down the front of the head where the
timing chain is while doing stuff just to make sure nothing drops down the
front... you never know when a lash pad will come flying off!  Then don't
forget to take it out!  Have fun!
Greg Burrows
67 2000

-- PDFenter at aol.com wrote:
Question for everyone.
My 68 2 liter is very stock but has B cam and solex's. My 67 2 liter has a  A
cam and z therapy su's. I want to put the 68 back to stock and put the  solex
carbs on the 67.

The 67 has the A cam in it. My question is this. I have read that when
putting a new cam in you want to replace the rocker arms. I am thinking about
swapping cams between the 2 cars. If I did this I would keep each set of
rockers
with its respective cam, and specifically its cam lobe. Sounds like it would
work to me but would I like another opinion.

Is this practical? Or is it a dumb idea?

There is the question all replies welcome and appreciated.

Thanks

Phil



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From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 11:02:53 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:02:53 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravan
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804111002l6c159727mf8be08d01aa2f477@mail.gmail.com>

It is my understanding that there is a caravan heading to Solvang and will
be meeting in Woodland Hills. I have a few questions so that I can catch the
caravan and head up there with others.

Is there anything organized yet?

I am leaving Friday Morning;
Where does the caravan start, where does it stop to pick others up and the
times.

I think Woodland Hills is where I might meet up. From Riverside taking
inland frwys to the 210 to the 134 to the 101. What time does the group meet
there?

Chris

-- 
'66 1600
Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 12 08:37:10 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:37:10 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Penny Postcards - This is Cool
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-DAV5A49B331D671787CE36F2DAEE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-DAV5A49B331D671787CE36F2DAEE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804120737y5d33fd2bvd6a7480d716a0bf9@mail.gmail.com>

   I know this has nothing to do with Roadsters but I thought it was really
cool and wanted to pass it on.





       *What did your town look like according to Penny Postcards?*

*Check out your old stomping grounds during the times of the penny postcard.
*
*Click on the state and then on the county to see old penny postcards from
that area...Click post card to enlarge it somewhat...Pretty cool.*



 Click here: Penny
Postcards<http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/ppcs/ppcs.html>


    <http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=99278>

-- 
'66 1600
Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 12 20:11:10 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:11:10 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Starter solenoid question
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804121911r40e0cb6dh3a11a392811285ca@mail.gmail.com>

My starter solenoid appears to have gone bad. According the PMWiki Tech
Section on the 311s.org site it says "Replacing the solenoid  with a Nissan
unit and your problem should be solved". Which Nissan unit should I get, or
do they only make one and can I get it a the local auto parts store?

I have a 1966 1600 with an H20 in it.
~Chris



-- 
'66 1600
Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 12 22:05:47 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:05:47 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question
Message-ID: <BAY106-W17E07C4A6C42D56D022F29DFE90@phx.gbl>

Hi List
Got the dash off - thanks Teddy (pittsburgh) for your article - made life much
easier - of course I have to handle the 'reverse'

Removed and disassembled the speedo - discovered the 'glass' was
plastic/perspex ish. I was expecting glass. Was the PO gypped or are all the
instruments on the 1970 roadster plastic/perspex ??

Peter

1970 SPL Toad San

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 12 22:12:31 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:12:31 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Dash off - Local Los Angeles Owners
Message-ID: <BAY106-W9920DFEC5244CBA364E7ADFE90@phx.gbl>

Got the dash off - will be that way for a few days - thought it would be an
opportunity for local roadster people to 'pop' over to see what is under
there. Like - now I know why my center console 'vent' controls don't work etc,
and just how things are tied together.

Give me a shout at 818 448 3181

Solvang is unfortunately looking more iffy for Elisa.

Peter - Van Nuys
SPL311 1970

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 12 22:28:54 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:28:54 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] NFIMBT (Los Angles'ish)
Message-ID: <BAY106-W424FDDA6CEA4174F2E0B81DFE90@phx.gbl>

Quick Recap

Contrary to popular opinion :), I forsook the Zanax and Valium and just went
for a ride with Mr V. Laury, and I enjoyed it immensly. Sticky tires and a 2.2
motor with vigorous application of steering and disk brakes made life less
challenging. We had a blast,  the weather was great, the roads (as usual) were
fantastic and mostly traffic free and except for a worrying moment with an
incoming sheriff (which would have netted us, a vigorously driven bug, an
equally voracious 911,3 for the price of one stop ) we were unencumbered with
local officialdom.

Over 125 cars - 150+ people - 1000 miles in beautiful blossoming countryside -
3 days from heaven.

Eric/Fergus/Les C. were the roadsters (we were in Victor's 510) - but there
was so much more - a dune buggy driven by kilt-clad occupants, a 300SL,  3
Citroen DS - more Porsches than you could count - if you even cared to - some
cool alfas, - Jag C-type, Maserati, Volvo Amazon, and P1800's,    just a
hoot.
Remember 2009 - 2nd Thursday in April - just turn up and be prepared to rock
and roll.

Peter

From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Sun Apr 13 07:41:08 2008
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (steb)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:41:08 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
Message-ID: <006c01c89d6c$08337d00$0574fea9@steb1>

I disassembled both doors and removed the crappy and ineffective
undercoating from the interior areas. I noticed that there is a rubber
piece attached to a riser at the bottom of the door. Does anyone know
its function? Both of these pieces are cracked and very brittle and I am
wondering if I need to replace them.
 
Thanks
 
Steve

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 13 08:18:41 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:18:41 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
In-Reply-To: <006c01c89d6c$08337d00$0574fea9@steb1>
References: <006c01c89d6c$08337d00$0574fea9@steb1>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W377B79C9A39F0B7D729807DFE90@phx.gbl>

Steve

I believe that they are lower stops for the window - that is the only sense I
can make out of them.

Peter
----------------------------------------
> From: stebharvey at ameritech.net
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:41:08 -0500
> Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
>
> I disassembled both doors and removed the crappy and ineffective
> undercoating from the interior areas. I noticed that there is a rubber
> piece attached to a riser at the bottom of the door. Does anyone know
> its function? Both of these pieces are cracked and very brittle and I am
> wondering if I need to replace them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
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From JRDMF at aol.com  Sun Apr 13 08:53:20 2008
From: JRDMF at aol.com (JRDMF at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:53:20 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question
Message-ID: <c7b.2ce074bf.35337860@aol.com>

Sorry to report that plastic or "plexi" is the norm for the gauges on the  
later cars. We have had mixed success when it comes to polishing the old  lens 
so we have started replacing them with glass. Much more durable and give  the 
gauges a cleaner look.
 
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 13 09:04:01 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:04:01 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Dash Lighting Upgrade
Message-ID: <BAY106-W56B3DF9A79B0E17CE0BA0CDFE90@phx.gbl>

Hi

There was a thread about installing LEDS as lighting replacements for the
standard dash lighting - i thought i had saved it, but clearly I didn't - or
at least i can't find it.

could someone please give me some ideas

thx

peter

From tminerpcav at aol.com  Sun Apr 13 10:43:52 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:43:52 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question
In-Reply-To: <c7b.2ce074bf.35337860@aol.com>
References: <c7b.2ce074bf.35337860@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CA6B9CB09CF3F7-13E4-7E48@webmail-nd13.sysops.aol.com>

Oh, here's this guy professing to be a "GUAGE EXPERT" agian.? When is this guy going to get a life?

Tim


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To: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 7:53 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question



Sorry to report that plastic or "plexi" is the norm for the gauges on the  
later cars. We have had mixed success when it comes to polishing the old  lens 
so we have started replacing them with glass. Much more durable and give  the 
gauges a cleaner look.
 
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From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 13 11:16:25 2008
From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
In-Reply-To: <006c01c89d6c$08337d00$0574fea9@steb1>
Message-ID: <839802.59059.qm@web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Steve,
Could you have found the window stop?  Is it just a little "L" shaped piece of metal with rubber covering the inside.  I glued gasket cork on mine to replace the rubber.  Works fine.
Patti

steb <stebharvey at ameritech.net> wrote: I disassembled both doors and removed the crappy and ineffective
undercoating from the interior areas. I noticed that there is a rubber
piece attached to a riser at the bottom of the door. Does anyone know
its function? Both of these pieces are cracked and very brittle and I am
wondering if I need to replace them.
 
Thanks
 
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Sun Apr 13 12:26:26 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:26:26 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Starter solenoid question
In-Reply-To: <b0b0059f0804121911r40e0cb6dh3a11a392811285ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c89d93$e3eb9680$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

Rock Auto lists an AIRTEX Part # 1M1504, but it's $51.00
Were I you, I'd just get a gear reduction forklift unit or a standard
H20 unit.  Numbers are in an article I posted on 311 WIKI
http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.ForkliftStarter


Dave Brisco
ECR


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris & Christy Breyer [mailto:fairlady66 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:11 PM
To: Roadster List
Subject: [Roadsters] Starter solenoid question

My starter solenoid appears to have gone bad. According the PMWiki Tech
Section on the 311s.org site it says "Replacing the solenoid  with a
Nissan
unit and your problem should be solved". Which Nissan unit should I get,
or
do they only make one and can I get it a the local auto parts store?

I have a 1966 1600 with an H20 in it.
~Chris



-- 
'66 1600
Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From JRDMF at aol.com  Sun Apr 13 15:26:12 2008
From: JRDMF at aol.com (JRDMF at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:26:12 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question
Message-ID: <c79.2f02727a.3533d474@aol.com>

Door number 1 has the Roadster, the wife and the kids.... Door number 2 had  
a life. Any questions? :-)
 
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 13 16:13:46 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:13:46 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Wiper mounting question
Message-ID: <BAY106-W19EBF812562A81BDF45D4BDFE90@phx.gbl>

I notice that there are OVAL rubber mounting grommets and oval aluminium
inserts. Is this JUST for positioning or is the motor supposed to be sliding
within? And, if for positioning, what is an appropriate position?

Thx

Peter

From gsglasgow at comcast.net  Sun Apr 13 16:17:12 2008
From: gsglasgow at comcast.net (Gordon Glasgow)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
In-Reply-To: <006c01c89d6c$08337d00$0574fea9@steb1>
References: <006c01c89d6c$08337d00$0574fea9@steb1>
Message-ID: <000301c89db4$1ff5b690$5fe123b0$@net>

On mine (67.5) there is a piece on a riser that looks something like this
when viewed from the end:

|\___/|
|_____|

Yes, it is the lower stop for the window assembly.

Gordon Glasgow
-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+gsglasgow=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of steb
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:41 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)

I disassembled both doors and removed the crappy and ineffective
undercoating from the interior areas. I noticed that there is a rubber
piece attached to a riser at the bottom of the door. Does anyone know
its function? Both of these pieces are cracked and very brittle and I am
wondering if I need to replace them.
 
Thanks
 
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 13 16:30:52 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:30:52 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Anal Roadster Clock Question
Message-ID: <BAY106-W1924BEED5D2418C3E52F8ADFE90@phx.gbl>

Ah, the fun when the dash is removed.
Discovered that there is a small plastic dial that actually regulates the
clock. Any one know what the relationship is for arc degree of movement of
said dial and advance/retard in seconds/minutes. Might save me hours of
reclibration.
Thx
Peter

From bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Apr 13 16:38:14 2008
From: bhollan4 at tampabay.rr.com (Brian Hollands)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:38:14 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] (didn't know I was) Anal - Roadster Clock Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W1924BEED5D2418C3E52F8ADFE90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20080413223814.OHYD21853.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@IBM140A0C7C90B>

I asked the same thing several years ago.
This is the response I got - for a high windshield car by the way...


THERE IS A SMALL HOLE ON THE BACK OF THE CLOCK, BEHIND APPROX. THE 8 O'CLOCK
POSITION, MADE TO ACCEPT A MEDIUM-SIZED JEWELER'S SCREWDRIVER (= 3 1/2"
LONG, 1/8" WIDE BLADE, AT MOST).

THE HOLE MAY BE FILLED WITH A WHITE, PLASTIC PLUG THAT YOU HAVE TO REMOVE
WITH YOUR FINGERNAILS FIRST WHILE WORKING BEHIND THE DASH, WITHOUT BENEFIT
OF SIGHT.

ONCE THE HOLE IS EXPOSED, YOU (BLINDLY) INSERT THE JEWELER'S SCREWDRIVER.

NON-OBVIOUS HINT: IT MAY HELP TO MOVE THE TEMP. LEVER TO 'HOT' TO GIVE YOU
MORE ROOM TO WORK BEHIND THE CLOCK!

TO SPEED UP THE CLOCK, TURN THE SCREWDRIVER CLOCKWISE USING THE BACK OF THE
CLOCK AS THE FRAME OF REFERENCE.  (THAT IS, YOU TURN THE SCREW
COUNTER-CLOCKWISE RELATIVE TO THE FRONT FACE OF THE CLOCK TO SPEED IT
UP.)  THAT IS TURN THE SCREWDRIVER TOWARDS THE 'F' (FOR 'FASTER').

DO THE OPPOSITE, i.e., TURN THE SCREWDRIVER TOWARDS 'S' TO SLOW DOWN THE
CLOCK.

I'D SAY THAT ABOUT 1/8 TURN WILL ADJUST THE CLOCK BY ABOUT 5 MINUTES/DAY.

I HOPE THAT THIS HELPS.

GOOD LUCK!

TEDDY
69 2000
PITTSBURGH, PA


Hope that Helps,
Brian
69 2000
Tampa

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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 13 16:42:24 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:42:24 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question
References: <c79.2f02727a.3533d474@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c89db9$1f241c70$8115a8c0@garage.local>

i'd pick door number 1 every time.  my son is leaving for college (1000 
miles away) in a couple of months and its gonna kill me!!!!!!!!!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JRDMF at aol.com>
To: <Tminerpcav at aol.com>; <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com>; 
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question


> Door number 1 has the Roadster, the wife and the kids.... Door number 2 
> had
> a life. Any questions? :-)
>
> Jon

From aultgc at att.net  Sun Apr 13 17:27:17 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:27:17 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Wiper mounting question
References: <BAY106-W19EBF812562A81BDF45D4BDFE90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c89dbd$ea131cc0$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Peter,

>From my experience with low-windshield cars, it's just for positioning. 
What's appropriate?  I think that when you try to line everything up with 
the wiper linkage, you'll figure it out.  There wil be just one position 
which makes sense.  (That's what I remember, but I'm old.)

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter harrison" <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com>
To: "datsun" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Wiper mounting question


>I notice that there are OVAL rubber mounting grommets and oval aluminium
> inserts. Is this JUST for positioning or is the motor supposed to be 
> sliding
> within? And, if for positioning, what is an appropriate position?
>
> Thx
>
> Peter
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From aultgc at att.net  Sun Apr 13 18:57:54 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:57:54 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Wiper mounting question
References: <BAY106-W19EBF812562A81BDF45D4BDFE90@phx.gbl>
	<001301c89dbd$ea131cc0$6402a8c0@gaxp1>
	<BAY106-W28718A8F23F54AD7D2EFFDDFE90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000f01c89dca$92d81b10$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Peter,

If the rubber mounts/oval inserts on your wiper motor bracket are 
undisturbed, there should be impressions on the bolt-head side where flat 
washers were located.  If undisturbed, just put it back together so the flat 
washers are in the same positions as they were before you took everything 
apart.  If not, then you will need to play around a bit.  Even if you took 
things apart, you should be able to tell which direction each rubber grommet 
was installed, because they will have taken a "set" over time.  I have two 
spare low-windshield wiper motors.  (Don't ask me how that happened.)  On 
both, the ovals on the portion of the motor bracket closest to the motor are 
transverse to the slots; on the "L"-shaped portion of the motor bracket, 
they are parallel.

What I remember is, on an early car, both pieces of the wiper linkage 
attaches to the eccentric arm on the motor.  I think on  the later cars, the 
shorter arm attaches to the long arm, but I am not sure.  In any event, 
you're trying to align three points in space:  The shaft on the eccentric 
arm, the left wiper pivot and the right wiper pivot.  I think that, if you 
try to assemble it all, there is only one position where the eccentric arm 
and both pivot arms align.

Try putting it together before you put everything else in. if you can.  At 
any rate, when you assemble it all, hook it up and put power to it with the 
bolts just hand-tight, so they can move a bit if they need to.  Then the 
assembly should align itself without damaging anything.

Call if you want.

Anyone else on the List got a better idea?

Gary
(219) 322-1923 -- Central Time

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter harrison" <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com>
To: "Gary and Cindy Ault" <aultgc at att.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Wiper mounting question



Gary

but how does one figure what makes 'sense' ?? :)

Peter 

From mikef at carolina.rr.com  Sun Apr 13 19:23:21 2008
From: mikef at carolina.rr.com (Mike Faggart)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:23:21 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question
References: <c79.2f02727a.3533d474@aol.com>
	<001c01c89db9$1f241c70$8115a8c0@garage.local>
Message-ID: <007d01c89dce$21199e50$0200a8c0@reginacb41e884>

Door number 1 for me also, my son graduates from college in 4 weeks, then is 
moving to Chicago the next week to attend law school.  From now on, will 
only get to see him a couple of times a year instead of one of us driving 90 
miles.  North Carolina to Chicago appx. 800 miles, too long for a day trip 
even in a roadster.

Mike Faggart

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question


> i'd pick door number 1 every time.  my son is leaving for college (1000
> miles away) in a couple of months and its gonna kill me!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <JRDMF at aol.com>
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> <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Speedo/Tach Question
>
>
>> Door number 1 has the Roadster, the wife and the kids.... Door number 2
>> had
>> a life. Any questions? :-)
>>
>> Jon
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From JRDMF at aol.com  Sun Apr 13 19:43:52 2008
From: JRDMF at aol.com (JRDMF at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:43:52 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Anal Roadster Clock Question
Message-ID: <d6a.23ab702d.353410d8@aol.com>

At the risk of waking up Tim Miner again, I believe I can help you with  this 
one too.
 
Adjusting a clock using the "tweak and wait" method can work but is tedious  
at best.  We use an electronic counter / calibrator that can  virtually cut 
the error of most clocks down to about 10 seconds a  week. It uses an earphone 
that counts the pulses from the escape wheel so you  can actually see the 
changes you are making while adjusting the hairspring. This  cuts the calibration 
time down to minutes and also lets you know right a way  if there are other 
problems that may be causing an intermittent  swing. (And for those who are 
interested in way too much information...  Roadster escape wheels run at 18000 
pulses an hour.)
 
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 13 21:41:37 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine
In-Reply-To: <d6a.23ab702d.353410d8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <237184.48850.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

i know.  every shop used to have one, now no one does.
   
  we are looking for a machine to test/calibrate dizzy's.
   
  been looking around with no success.  any leads/suggestions?

From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Mon Apr 14 05:00:06 2008
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (steb)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:00:06 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
In-Reply-To: <839802.59059.qm@web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c89e1e$b3550480$0574fea9@steb1>

List,
 
Thanks to all for the rubber stop information. I'll replace the pieces
with new rubber.
 
Steve
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Patti Dwinell [mailto:fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:16 PM
To: steb
Cc: All list
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
 
Steve,
Could you have found the window stop?  Is it just a little "L" shaped
piece of metal with rubber covering the inside.  I glued gasket cork on
mine to replace the rubber.  Works fine.
Patti

steb <stebharvey at ameritech.net> wrote:
I disassembled both doors and removed the crappy and ineffective
undercoating from the interior areas. I noticed that there is a rubber
piece attached to a riser at the bottom of the door. Does anyone know
its function? Both of these pieces are cracked and very brittle and I am
wondering if I need to replace them.

Thanks

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From davesmbox at aol.com  Mon Apr 14 06:02:13 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:02:13 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine
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Wasn't that done with an osciliscope?



   




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Sent: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:41 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine



i know.  every shop used to have one, now no one does.
   
  we are looking for a machine to test/calibrate dizzy's.
   
  been looking around with no success.  any leads/suggestions?
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From bubwin at mts.net  Mon Apr 14 08:45:10 2008
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:45:10 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine
In-Reply-To: <8CA6C3E82767F0A-1078-3DC@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA6C3E82767F0A-1078-3DC@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <0D0FEF756C4D4C3F8D070490EE4DE407@ownerPC>

The old engine analyzers did use oscilloscope, but there were actual 
machines to test distributors.  Years ago I actually had one until it died, 
and I couldn't beg, borrow, steal, make or customize any of the parts 
needed.  I kept it for several years until I needed the bench space.

Distributor testers were a form of machine that you clamped the distributor 
in and you could spin the distributor shaft, and adjust the speed from an 
idle speed to several thousand RPM.  There were meters mounted on it that 
read the RPM and dwell angle (the # of degrees of rotation that the points 
were closed).

It also had a vacuum pump to connect to the vacuum advance, and a strobe 
light which showed where in the rotation the points opened (distributor 
timing).  You could actually set the points while it turned, as you ran it 
without cap or rotor by observing the dwell reading.  Dwell reading is more 
accurate than point gap.

By running the distributor on the machine you could measure the amount of 
vacuum advance, mechanical advance (centrifugal), or total advance (vacuum 
and mechanical).  If you were testing different counter-weights and springs 
on a mechanical advance, you could do so quickly, easily, and without 
bending over a fender and trying to read your timing marks.  On vehicles 
with adjustable vacuum advance, adjustments were quick as well.

You could set up a basic distributor in minutes.  Sometimes you could use a 
strobe light, and even watch for movement in the distributor shaft through 
various RPM ranges, which was great to diagnose worn bushings.

AAAAHHHHHH the good old days, when cars were cars, men for men, and onboard 
computers were science fiction.

Bob Winslade
1966-1600 Missy
1967-1600 Bender


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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine


> Wasn't that done with an osciliscope?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:41 pm
> Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine
>
>
>
> i know.  every shop used to have one, now no one does.
>
>  we are looking for a machine to test/calibrate dizzy's.
>
>  been looking around with no success.  any leads/suggestions?
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From tomet9 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 14 09:21:32 2008
From: tomet9 at sbcglobal.net (Tom PRATHER)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:21:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] 14 inch wheels
Message-ID: <20413.97724.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,
   
     Saw these posted on craigslist today, thought someone was looking for these not too long ago. In SoCal.
   
   
  http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/pts/641170416.html

From tom at datsun2000.com  Mon Apr 14 10:11:42 2008
From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:11:42 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W377B79C9A39F0B7D729807DFE90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <MBEHKLBNELGFFJEJICKGEEKHDEAA.tom@datsun2000.com>

Rich in Salem, Oregon may make window travel stops on the laser cutting tool
he uses in his woodworking business.  I remember he offered them to the list
for a very nominal cost a while back.  I have not heard from him in a while,
but here is his e-mail address:

SPYDER62 at aol. com

Tom
69 2000 - Mr. Hyde
Portland
http://www.datsun2000.com
http://www.nowroc.org

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Behalf Of peter harrison
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:19 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)


Steve

I believe that they are lower stops for the window - that is the only sense
I
can make out of them.

Peter
----------------------------------------
> From: stebharvey at ameritech.net
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:41:08 -0500
> Subject: [Roadsters] Internal door parts question (1970)
>
> I disassembled both doors and removed the crappy and ineffective
> undercoating from the interior areas. I noticed that there is a rubber
> piece attached to a riser at the bottom of the door. Does anyone know
> its function? Both of these pieces are cracked and very brittle and I am
> wondering if I need to replace them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
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From fj20spl311 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 14 13:00:11 2008
From: fj20spl311 at yahoo.com (philip erickson)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1208196002.13106.datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <42469.32007.qm@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had one in the good old days.
   
  You can make your own if you are handy.
   
  Besides the tact and dwell which you will need to buy, all they were was a variable speed motor to drive the distributer, clear Plexiglas plate with the degrees marked on it that is fixed and an opaque plate with a slot that lined up with the distributer shaft (rotor) to block the light that rotates.  There was a 12 volt light inside the box that was activated by the points and as you turned the distributer the light would flash.  You can see the slot through the clear Plexiglas and tell when the points are opening.  If you wish to check a vacuum advance add a vacuum meter and siphon pump.  
   
  Phil

From adamjhanson at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 14 13:33:42 2008
From: adamjhanson at yahoo.com (Adam Hanson)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for manifold
Message-ID: <852210.98306.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm looking for a manifold for my 1965 Datsun 1500. From what I've heard, they are the same as the early 1600;s. Mine is the sheetmetal type and I'd like to find a cast one. I'm also looking for the passengers side aluminum trim piece and a tonneau cover. Let me know what you have. Thanks. 


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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 14 13:45:33 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:45:33 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine
Message-ID: <041420081945.7733.4803B45D0004E56900001E352200734076CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

My brother-in-law in San Jose grabbed one years ago when the local tech college was dumping 'em. 

Don't know what he would charge to test/repair/reindex/etc. If you want me to ask, email me off-list with the details.

Thanks.

Pete

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
> i know.  every shop used to have one, now no one does.
>    
>   we are looking for a machine to test/calibrate dizzy's.
>    
>   been looking around with no success.  any leads/suggestions?

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Mon Apr 14 15:54:17 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:54:17 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine
In-Reply-To: <237184.48850.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c89e7a$170d3780$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

It took me about 6 months of constant searching; most were selling for
$500.00 to $750.00, and shipping can be alot.  I finally got lucky, pick
it up this Friday.  If you are only doing the occasional distributor,
I'd be glad to set them up for you.  It's bound to be less expensive
than a machine.  If you keep looking, you may get lucky.

Dave Brisco
EastCoastRoadster at comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
From: oliver [mailto:sumton at sbcglobal.net] 


i know.  every shop used to have one, now no one does.
   
  we are looking for a machine to test/calibrate dizzy's.
   
  been looking around with no success.  any leads/suggestions?

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Mon Apr 14 16:00:03 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:00:03 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine
In-Reply-To: <8CA6C3E82767F0A-1078-3DC@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c89e7a$e50cf710$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

You can, but the distributor machine is easier and more direct. A scope
tells you the electrical condition of the system, but will show advance
etc. but needs the engine running.  Both combined is a great tool.  If
you know how to read it, you can find lean or rich cylinders, vacuum
leaks, Jimmy Hoffa.....


Dave Brisco

ECR
-----Original Message-----
From: davesmbox at aol.com [mailto:davesmbox at aol.com] 
 
Wasn't that done with an osciliscope?



-----Original Message-----
From: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:41 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for a distributor testing machine



i know.  every shop used to have one, now no one does.
   
  we are looking for a machine to test/calibrate dizzy's.
   
  been looking around with no success.  any leads/suggestions?
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From hahlbohmd at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 14 19:52:39 2008
From: hahlbohmd at earthlink.net (Dewey Hahlbohm)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:52:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 driveshaft needed
Message-ID: <31529451.1208224359974.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I am looking for a 1600 driveshaft to go along with the 4 speed I am putting in my roadster.  If anyone has one available, I will pay shipping and a reasonable price for the driveshaft.  

If you have one available, please contact me. Thanks, Dewey Hahlbohm; Helena, MT

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 14 20:07:58 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:07:58 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Dash Lighting
Message-ID: <BAY106-W40309601707D8A8BF66FBADFEB0@phx.gbl>

Hi

Thought I had sent this yesterday - but cannot find a record of it.

I am looking for the thread about installingt LED's in the dash. Does anyone
have that thread or the results.

Thx

Peter

From fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 14 21:40:15 2008
From: fairlady1964spl310 at yahoo.com (Patti Dwinell)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:40:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] looking for manifold
In-Reply-To: <852210.98306.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <920818.10981.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi, Adam!
I just saw this on Ebay.  Check it out.....I think it will fit.

Item number:  160228316637

Patti


Adam Hanson <adamjhanson at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm looking for a manifold for my 1965 Datsun 1500. From what I've heard, they are the same as the early 1600;s. Mine is the sheetmetal type and I'd like to find a cast one. I'm also looking for the passengers side aluminum trim piece and a tonneau cover. Let me know what you have. Thanks. 


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From d-solomon at comcast.net  Tue Apr 15 06:48:42 2008
From: d-solomon at comcast.net (d-solomon at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:48:42 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 driveshaft needed
Message-ID: <041520081248.11328.4804A42A000C6E2500002C4022135285730201030104019CD30B@comcast.net>

i should have the one you need.  
what's the going rate for something like this?  

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Dewey Hahlbohm <hahlbohmd at earthlink.net> 

> I am looking for a 1600 driveshaft to go along with the 4 speed I am putting in 
> my roadster. If anyone has one available, I will pay shipping and a reasonable 
> price for the driveshaft. 
> 
> If you have one available, please contact me. Thanks, Dewey Hahlbohm; Helena, MT 
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From tomet9 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 15 08:54:46 2008
From: tomet9 at sbcglobal.net (Tom PRATHER)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:54:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Nardi Steering wheel?
Message-ID: <984290.2688.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,
   
      Saw this posted on Craigslist today in SoCal. With the right hub, they would look nice in the roadster.
   
  http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pts/642897729.html

From egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us  Tue Apr 15 08:56:42 2008
From: egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us (Eric Gillis)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:56:42 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Nardi Steering wheel?
References: <984290.2688.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <65AA4A74232FF24E9BEC8D1163859B180445236B@cusdmx01.cusd.ceres.k12.ca.us>

Yes they do, and finding the right hub is the trick, I think that one of the
vendors makes an adapter.  They look and feel fantastic!

Eric G

________________________________

From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+egillis=ceres.k12.ca.us at autox.team.net on
behalf of Tom PRATHER
Sent: Tue 4/15/2008 7:54 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Nardi Steering wheel?



Hello,

      Saw this posted on Craigslist today in SoCal. With the right hub, they
would look nice in the roadster.

  http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pts/642897729.html
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From datsundoc at aol.com  Tue Apr 15 09:15:08 2008
From: datsundoc at aol.com (datsundoc at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:15:08 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Nardi Steering wheel?
In-Reply-To: <984290.2688.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <984290.2688.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CA6D22A0193BBA-17BC-A5F@WEBMAIL-DG09.sim.aol.com>

I have an old Nardi wheel on our 67.5.?I really?like it. I?altered a Momo Datsun hub to fit it?at the height I wanted. I also made an adapter to use the original 67.5 horn button on it so it looks original if you didn't know better.

Mike


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To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:54 am
Subject: [Roadsters] Nardi Steering wheel?



Hello,
   
      Saw this posted on Craigslist today in SoCal. With the right hub, they 
would look nice in the roadster.
   
  http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pts/642897729.html
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From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Tue Apr 15 12:35:04 2008
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:35:04 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Iron Bottom update
Message-ID: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D926A2D@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>

A short note on going on my first No Frills Iron Bottom Motoring Tour
(NFIBMT).  1200 miles in 3 days.

Spectacular scenery, un-paralleled, some of the most gorgeous backroads
and scenic settings.  Drives in the roadster (top off door-to-door)
ranging from chilly mornings, some mildly warm afternoons, and great
evenings spent 'bench-racing' with some very relaxed and unpretentious
folks.
Sure, the Porsche crowd tend to show no interest in anything non-German,
but the rest were great folk just glad to see more unique vehicles on
the road.
At the worst the roads were just dusty with some thrown pebbles from the
shoulders.  The last day along the Cambria/Big Sur area had some looping
treks that ended up on gravel roads, but that was by far the exception
and if one had stayed on HiWay 1 towards home, no bad road surfaces
encountered.

Cars:  what a variety, from a Alfa Romeo Z, two burly guys in a dune
buggy and kilts!, a Caddy ElDorado, some beautiful Mercedes (including a
Gullwing 300SL that really had some get-up), a gaggle of Porsches-from
rally trimmed 914's to some very zippy sleeper early 911's to some whale
tale brutes, three Citroen DS-21's, a 61k orig mile Jag XKE coupe,
several Z cars, Fiats ranging from pristine 2000's to a survivor 124
wagon, quite the range.  100+ cars in all, ~150 people.
Les in a beautiful just finished Red 2000, with a killer stereo and a
BIG set of solexes.  I followed the 302-roadster of Eric's for all of
the trip, and had got used to the trombone-section exhaust note from his
car, and was surprised to hear the glorious sucking sound of them big
Solex's, over the trombones, come up behind me on the last day.  When I
lost Eric due to his better driving skills, I tagged along with a 79
Midget, but even found when the switchbacks got tight that his lower
weight and better (though smaller) rubber left me behind as well.  I
have lots to learn, and a 2nd gear syncro to baby along until my budget
permits.

The drives were great, although I wouldn't do it alone (without a
co-driver) for the first time, unless you just plan to follow other
folks (who may be doing it for their first time), or really know how to
use a GPS well.  (I had none).  That being said, even if you did the
whole trip at a snails pace following someone, it was enjoyable down to
the every minute.

One has to remember that you are in the company of some primo equipment
and drivers, and need to remember not to overdrive the equipment you
have brought along.  I have a couple more exciting stories than I
intended to come home with, and let's just say I have come home with a
list of projects as well as an urgent need to incorporate more
moderation in my driving approach.

Fergus O, 69 2000, HB, CA

From solex675 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 15 15:12:49 2008
From: solex675 at hotmail.com (Andrew Murphy)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:12:49 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Friday Solvang Caravans
Message-ID: <BAY144-W53B4D58796A1063D2880F996EB0@phx.gbl>

Hello All, I hope everyone is getting into the spirit and getting their cars
ready for Solvang! Shari and I are putting some final touches on the car and
are way excited to head to the beautiful California Central Coast to see some
of the finest Datsun Roadsters on the planet. We are both looking forward to
seeing new cars and old friends. A good time to be had by all. I wanted to
propose some final meeting times and places as it seems like we are going to
have quite a few cars in the caravan this year. I know that the San Diego area
crowd are planning to meet down there and then perhaps two stops in the LA
area - one in Irvine and the other in Woodland Hills. I propose the stop in
Irvine to be at the Spectrum (shopping center) at 11:00 AM and then the
bowling alley parking lot in Woodland Hills at around 1PM. I am not sure of
the exit from the freeway for the bowling alley, so if one of the valley
people can help that would be great. If this sounds like a good plan, I will
make up a map and post the week before the show. It's always fun to head down
the road with a whole bunch of roadsters! Hope to see you there! Andrew
Murphy1966 1600
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Tue Apr 15 16:08:07 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:08:07 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravans etc
Message-ID: <8CA6D5C518EAFF1-3C4-2D8@webmail-nd21.sysops.aol.com>

Andrew ,
You might want to start a Solvang meeting etc thread on 311 as well.

The Woodlake Bowl in Woodland Hills is next to the 101 freeway. Here is 
the address etc to use for Mapquest:
http://yellowpages.aol.com/business/ca/agoura-hills/woodlake-bowl/0-100319275/ 


Linda

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From: Andrew Murphy <solex675 at hotmail.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 2:12 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] Friday Solvang Caravans

Hello All, I hope everyone is getting into the spirit and getting their 
cars
ready for Solvang! Shari and I are putting some final touches on the 
car and
are way excited to head to the beautiful California Central Coast to 
see some
of the finest Datsun Roadsters on the planet. We are both looking 
forward to
seeing new cars and old friends. A good time to be had by all. I wanted 
to
propose some final meeting times and places as it seems like we are 
going to
have quite a few cars in the caravan this year. I know that the San 
Diego area
crowd are planning to meet down there and then perhaps two stops in the 
LA
area - one in Irvine and the other in Woodland Hills. I propose the 
stop in
Irvine to be at the Spectrum (shopping center) at 11:00 AM and then the
bowling alley parking lot in Woodland Hills at around 1PM. I am not 
sure of
the exit from the freeway for the bowling alley, so if one of the 
valley
people can help that would be great. If this sounds like a good plan, I 
will
make up a map and post the week before the show. It's always fun to 
head down
the road with a whole bunch of roadsters! Hope to see you there! Andrew
Murphy1966 1600
____________________________________________________

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 15 16:43:49 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:43:49 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Dash Lighting Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W56B3DF9A79B0E17CE0BA0CDFE90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E1JltsQ-00015D-3i@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Peter/List,
Answer? I'd love to know also! 
Matt

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[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of peter harrison
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:04 AM
To: datsun
Subject: [Roadsters] Dash Lighting Upgrade

Hi

There was a thread about installing LEDS as lighting replacements for the
standard dash lighting - i thought i had saved it, but clearly I didn't - or
at least i can't find it.

could someone please give me some ideas

thx

peter
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From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 15 16:55:41 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:55:41 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials
Message-ID: <E1Jlu3u-0007BT-DP@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi all,

I know I haven't written for a while. I have some product testimonials. 

E3 spark plugs. OMG! WAY better than Platinums. Get em! Look around. don't
pay $10.00 each at Jegs. $6-$7 is about right. I have a GB EI on my '70 2000
Solex and didn't re-gap. They still work great. For a U20, E3.46 is your
size. 

 

For cleaning that nasty crap off your Panasports, inner fenders, dash,
steering wheel, wherever.Simple Green Max. (Diluted by 50% as the label
says, and use a bottle brush or similar for the rims). AWESOME on grease,
carbon, AND brake dust. A good all purpose clean-em-up juice.

 

Matt Smith

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 15 17:27:42 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials
In-Reply-To: <E1Jlu3u-0007BT-DP@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1JluYt-0000Xx-MX@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

One more testimonial.
Pennzoil.
It's cheap. You can use it for a carrier for your motor flush. Drain your
good oil, add Pennzoil, add motor flush, run for a few minutes, drain again.
Remove/replace filter, replace with your good oil again! LOL!
Matt

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From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:56 PM
To: 'datsun'
Subject: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials

Hi all,

I know I haven't written for a while. I have some product testimonials. 

E3 spark plugs. OMG! WAY better than Platinums. Get em! Look around. don't
pay $10.00 each at Jegs. $6-$7 is about right. I have a GB EI on my '70 2000
Solex and didn't re-gap. They still work great. For a U20, E3.46 is your
size. 

 

For cleaning that nasty crap off your Panasports, inner fenders, dash,
steering wheel, wherever.Simple Green Max. (Diluted by 50% as the label
says, and use a bottle brush or similar for the rims). AWESOME on grease,
carbon, AND brake dust. A good all purpose clean-em-up juice.

 

Matt Smith
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From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 15 17:46:00 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:46:00 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] SOLVANG, SOLVANG,
 SOLVANG... Can we get a Heya from the folks  doin Mitty?!?!
Message-ID: <E1Jluqb-0001l3-LJ@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

See ya there!!!!

 

Matt Smith

Chattanooga TN!

From solex675 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 15 19:41:39 2008
From: solex675 at hotmail.com (Andrew Murphy)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:41:39 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] SOLVANG, SOLVANG,
 SOLVANG... Can we get a Heya  from the folks  doin Mitty?!?!
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You go guys! PICS! PICS! PICS!

Andrew Murphy
1966 1600> From: matthews517 at earthlink.net> To:
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:46:00 -0400>
Subject: [Roadsters] SOLVANG, SOLVANG, SOLVANG... Can we get a Heya from the
folks doin Mitty?!?!> > See ya there!!!!> > > > Matt Smith> > Chattanooga TN!>
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From dato1500 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 15 22:28:23 2008
From: dato1500 at hotmail.com (Peter Jones)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:28:23 +0800
Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY102-W513EF13193515E756B2555D5EA0@phx.gbl>

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From tom at datsun2000.com  Tue Apr 15 22:43:49 2008
From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom Hendricksen)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:43:49 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] SOLVANG, SOLVANG,
 SOLVANG... Can we get a Heya   from the folks  doin Mitty?!?!
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-W16188312897B224317F77C96EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BBEDIFCDCKGJDOGMACDMOEBDCBAA.tom@datsun2000.com>

Andrew has it right.... Take pics.  Lots of them.

If you send them to me I will be happy host ALL of them so maybe we can see
at least a couple of shots of every car in attendance..  Even those that are
not perfect, which are usually all we see.

NOWROC has unlimited storage and bandwidth.  I have added a gallery, but it
is not turned on yet.  The forum will come back soon after being lost due to
a host company going away.

Tom
69 2000 - Mr. Hyde
Portland
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-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net
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Behalf Of Andrew Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:42 PM
To: Matthew A. Smith; 'datsun'
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] SOLVANG, SOLVANG, SOLVANG... Can we get a Heya
from the folks doin Mitty?!?!


You go guys! PICS! PICS! PICS!

Andrew Murphy
1966 1600> From: matthews517 at earthlink.net> To:
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:46:00 -0400>
Subject: [Roadsters] SOLVANG, SOLVANG, SOLVANG... Can we get a Heya from the
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From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Wed Apr 16 06:42:11 2008
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:42:11 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Saturday Solvang Caravan time, Iron Bottom pics
Message-ID: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D926DA2@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>

Anyone one of the local roadster brethren know how early the gas station
at Woodlake Bowl (a 76?) opens in the morning?

I was thinking maybe a 6am meet there for the Saturday caravan would get
us to Solvang about 7:45 or 8.

Oh, and on a sidenote, links to 2008 Iron Bottom pics are at this link,
top of the page.
http://www.bench-racing.com/html/no_frills.html

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Wed Apr 16 08:02:52 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:02:52 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Saturday Solvang Caravan time, Iron Bottom pics
In-Reply-To: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D926DA2@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
References: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D926DA2@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <8CA6DE1B1C99D92-E44-4D1B@webmail-nb15.sysops.aol.com>

Fergus,
If you backtrack down Ventura Bl from the Woodlake Bowl there are 
several gas stations sure to be open, should not be a problem.
Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Farrell, Fergus <Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 5:42 am
Subject: [Roadsters] Saturday Solvang Caravan time, Iron Bottom pics

Anyone one of the local roadster brethren know how early the gas station
at Woodlake Bowl (a 76?) opens in the morning?

I was thinking maybe a 6am meet there for the Saturday caravan would get
us to Solvang about 7:45 or 8.

Oh, and on a sidenote, links to 2008 Iron Bottom pics are at this link,
top of the page.
http://www.bench-racing.com/html/no_frills.html
________________________________________

From bubwin at mts.net  Wed Apr 16 11:49:17 2008
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials
In-Reply-To: <E1Jlu3u-0007BT-DP@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1Jlu3u-0007BT-DP@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BE2A51341F1D4271822CA7F63E894000@ownerPC>

I use Simple Green on my tires before pressure washing.  Spray on dry tires 
just before you wash.  easier than scrubbing.

Works for cleaning engines and engine bays too!  Put on dry and pressure 
wash off.

Bob Winslade
1966-1600 Missy (Snow's gone and I found her under a winters worth of stuff 
not put away)
1967-1600 Bender
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew A. Smith" <matthews517 at earthlink.net>
To: "'datsun'" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials


> Hi all,
>
> I know I haven't written for a while. I have some product testimonials.
>
> E3 spark plugs. OMG! WAY better than Platinums. Get em! Look around. don't
> pay $10.00 each at Jegs. $6-$7 is about right. I have a GB EI on my '70 
> 2000
> Solex and didn't re-gap. They still work great. For a U20, E3.46 is your
> size.
>
>
>
> For cleaning that nasty crap off your Panasports, inner fenders, dash,
> steering wheel, wherever.Simple Green Max. (Diluted by 50% as the label
> says, and use a bottle brush or similar for the rims). AWESOME on grease,
> carbon, AND brake dust. A good all purpose clean-em-up juice.
>
>
>
> Matt Smith
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From twobeaners at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 16 12:08:22 2008
From: twobeaners at earthlink.net (Mike H.)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:08:22 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials
References: <E1Jlu3u-0007BT-DP@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<BE2A51341F1D4271822CA7F63E894000@ownerPC>
Message-ID: <002901c89fec$dbd49720$6500a8c0@lap>

I remember their were some, or at least one, list / forum member(s),
(re-members - grin) with chemistry backgrounds, (mine got me into some
controversial difficulty in the early seventies, the judge suggested I find
a new and / or different "hobby"). I'm re-habilitated, older, and "wiser".
Well, older, anyway. For those in the "know", there's no substitute for
iso-butoxyethanol, or meta-silicate compounds. Come on now, am I right? You
know I am! If you disagree, quite alright, I understand.
Mike H.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bubba" <bubwin at mts.net>
To: "Matthew A. Smith" <matthews517 at earthlink.net>; "'datsun'"
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials


> I use Simple Green on my tires before pressure washing.  Spray on dry
tires
> just before you wash.  easier than scrubbing.
>
> Works for cleaning engines and engine bays too!  Put on dry and pressure
> wash off.
>
> Bob Winslade
> 1966-1600 Missy (Snow's gone and I found her under a winters worth of
stuff
> not put away)
> 1967-1600 Bender
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Matthew A. Smith" <matthews517 at earthlink.net>
> To: "'datsun'" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:55 PM
> Subject: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I know I haven't written for a while. I have some product testimonials.
> >
> > E3 spark plugs. OMG! WAY better than Platinums. Get em! Look around.
don't
> > pay $10.00 each at Jegs. $6-$7 is about right. I have a GB EI on my '70
> > 2000
> > Solex and didn't re-gap. They still work great. For a U20, E3.46 is your
> > size.
> >
> > For cleaning that nasty crap off your Panasports, inner fenders, dash,
> > steering wheel, wherever.Simple Green Max. (Diluted by 50% as the label
> > says, and use a bottle brush or similar for the rims). AWESOME on
grease,
> > carbon, AND brake dust. A good all purpose clean-em-up juice.
> >

> > Matt Smith

From tputland at charter.net  Wed Apr 16 16:04:12 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:04:12 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Choke cable knobs
Message-ID: <20080416180412.YA1AJ.193082.root@fepweb04>

(Assuming there is...) I need to know the difference in the graphics on the choke knobs from year to year please. Pics or drawings would be great. If not, then "verbal" is fine. 

And is one style/year harder to come by than otehrs?

TIA....very much

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

From davesmbox at aol.com  Wed Apr 16 16:26:04 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Choke cable knobs
In-Reply-To: <20080416180412.YA1AJ.193082.root@fepweb04>
References: <20080416180412.YA1AJ.193082.root@fepweb04>
Message-ID: <8CA6E27FE0976C4-60C-1B8D@webmail-da05.sysops.aol.com>

You can find a choke knob with no problem. Not sure about differences on pre 68 but they around. 68-69 are easy and have a "C" on them. 70 is a little harder with graphics.
The HAND THROTTLE knob is getting into money territory. The 68-69 fan switch is still out there but a NOS 70 fan knob with the chrome trim is the holy grail. All others are out there.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 6:04 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] Choke cable knobs



(Assuming there is...) I need to know the difference in the graphics on the 
choke knobs from year to year please. Pics or drawings would be great. If not, 
then "verbal" is fine. 

And is one style/year harder to come by than otehrs?

TIA....very much

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning
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From tputland at charter.net  Wed Apr 16 18:40:54 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:40:54 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Choke cable knobs--follow up
In-Reply-To: <20080416180412.YA1AJ.193082.root@fepweb04>
Message-ID: <20080416204054.9ZGTO.128307.root@fepweb02>

Thanks to all who responded. I found pics...thanks to Dean's site. 

In a batch of parts I bought I have two choke cables that are not from a Roadster. Any one recognize this:

LOCK    curved across the top with a curved arrow under that. Then under 
             LOCK  is  a butterfly valve pic. On both sides of the butterfly valve pic   
             are backwards parenthesis. 

Any one recognize this? I can send a pic to whomever is willing to hazard a guess. 

Thanks again.

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote: 

=============
(Assuming there is...) I need to know the difference in the graphics on the choke knobs from year to year please. Pics or drawings would be great. If not, then "verbal" is fine. 

And is one style/year harder to come by than otehrs?

TIA....very much

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning
________________________________________

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 16 18:58:23 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:58:23 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] A couple of questions
Message-ID: <E1JmISA-0002th-UW@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi All,

In order to save multiple emails, here are a few questions regarding my '70
SRL:

How do I get the clock out without removing the dash? Is this possible? (I
felt back there, and there don't seem to be any nuts to remove, as I'd
hoped. I want to mount the Harmon Kardon "drive and play" screen in that
space)

What parts do I ask for when getting a cap/rotor for a non-vacuum advance
Gary Boone EI? (I lost the page with that info)

If I wish to replace the old style flasher unit with an electronic type(s),
how many do I need? (I see multiples on the wiring schematic)

 

Preparing for Mitty,

Thanks!

Matt

From vlaury at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 16 20:54:20 2008
From: vlaury at roadrunner.com (Victor Laury)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:54:20 -0800
Subject: [Roadsters] Saturday Solvang Caravan time, Iron Bottom pics
In-Reply-To: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D926DA2@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <LEEBIJFDLPBFPMPIDECDAEGDCAAA.vlaury@roadrunner.com>

Did ya catch this one? You and I talking over your car...... While it's
still CLEAN!?!?!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21199629 at N06/2414844383/in/set-7215760454762468
5/

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+vlaury=roadrunner.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+vlaury=roadrunner.com at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:42 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Saturday Solvang Caravan time, Iron Bottom pics


Anyone one of the local roadster brethren know how early the gas station
at Woodlake Bowl (a 76?) opens in the morning?

I was thinking maybe a 6am meet there for the Saturday caravan would get
us to Solvang about 7:45 or 8.

Oh, and on a sidenote, links to 2008 Iron Bottom pics are at this link,
top of the page.
http://www.bench-racing.com/html/no_frills.html
________________________________________

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 16 23:37:38 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:37:38 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] A couple of questions
In-Reply-To: <E1JmISA-0002th-UW@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1JmISA-0002th-UW@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W8A838ED7FA51EB9731C9CDFE50@phx.gbl>

Matthew
Having just taken my dash out and looked behind the scenes, IMHO, it would be
v. hard to take the clock out, speedo, yup, tach, yup, gauge cluster, praps,
oil sender would be a toughie, but unless you have access to a person with
long and narrow wrists - not going to be easy -- there is a nut on each side
of the clock that hold it in place and they are right up against the front of
the dash.

I have it on good authority, that r&r can be accomplished in 2 hours or so,
provided that the relevant screws/bolts are not too tight.

Peter



> From: matthews517 at earthlink.net> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Date:
Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:58:23 -0400> Subject: [Roadsters] A couple of > > Hi All,>
> In order to save multiple emails, here are a few questions regarding my '70>
SRL:> > How do I get the clock out without removing the dash? Is this
possible? (I> felt back there, and there don't seem to be any nuts to remove,
as I'd> hoped. I want to mount the Harmon Kardon "drive and play" screen in
that> space)> > What parts do I ask for when getting a cap/rotor for a
non-vacuum advance> Gary Boone EI? (I lost the page with that info)> > If I
wish to replace the old style flasher unit with an electronic type(s),> how
many do I need? (I see multiples on the wiring schematic)> > > > Preparing for
Mitty,> > Thanks!> > Matt> ________________________________________> Support
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From gerardomagana at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 17 08:24:48 2008
From: gerardomagana at sbcglobal.net (Gerardo Magana)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:24:48 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Everwing fog lamps
Message-ID: <4FE9495390AC484E9FA9F3A615796BB5@GERARDO3RX9F01>

Hello all, I have a set of rechromed everwing fog lamps, very nice condition
that I would like to sell, call me if you are interested.
Thanks, Gerardo
209-499-9193

From shifty at shiftco.com  Thu Apr 17 10:56:14 2008
From: shifty at shiftco.com (Leigh Brooks)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:56:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!
Message-ID: <42B2F3CE-B3C3-4FC9-BE66-505034BAD944@shiftco.com>

The weatherman is calling for snow down to 500 ft in the gorge this  
weekend!

So we have decided to postpone the event. We'll have a new date soon!

I'll send emails to those who have RSVP'd and post on 311s.org - if  
you know someone who was planning on attending, please let them know!

Thanks,

Leigh Brooks

From Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov  Thu Apr 17 11:43:11 2008
From: Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov (Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED03))
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:43:11 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!
In-Reply-To: <42B2F3CE-B3C3-4FC9-BE66-505034BAD944@shiftco.com>
References: <42B2F3CE-B3C3-4FC9-BE66-505034BAD944@shiftco.com>
Message-ID: <85597404D578FB4D8EB4E40AFBECDF768ADF40@NDMSEVS33B.ndc.nasa.gov>

WHAT!!  Come on guys - it is just little snow!  Man, I remember pushing
snow with the bumper of my Roadster.

Get out and be a man - no tops allowed - on the Roadster or you... AR,
AR, AR..

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+phillip.b.hall=nasa.gov at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+phillip.b.hall=nasa.gov at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Leigh Brooks
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:56 AM
To: Datsun list
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!

The weatherman is calling for snow down to 500 ft in the gorge this
weekend!

So we have decided to postpone the event. We'll have a new date soon!

I'll send emails to those who have RSVP'd and post on 311s.org - if you
know someone who was planning on attending, please let them know!

Thanks,

Leigh Brooks
_

From escanlon at wa-net.com  Thu Apr 17 12:31:07 2008
From: escanlon at wa-net.com (E Scanlon)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:31:07 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!
References: <42B2F3CE-B3C3-4FC9-BE66-505034BAD944@shiftco.com>
	<85597404D578FB4D8EB4E40AFBECDF768ADF40@NDMSEVS33B.ndc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <004501c8a0b9$33e838f0$0300a8c0@HPW>

I lived in Michigan and Iowa for a total of 16 years, and I can tell you for 
a fact that it isn't the snow...
it's the driver's who think snow is just stiff rain, and they're the same 
ones that don't drive so well in the rain.

Around here, snow...period...receives round the clock - break into your 
favorite show news coverage.  A fact that my wife STILL find hilarious after 
being here 18 years.  "Snow Watch 200X", or StormWatch or some other catch 
phrase....with the intro line "And three snow flakes have been observed in 
the west hills, with reports coming in that they might take Max 
downtown....."  and all this over less than an inch of snow.  Why?  Well, 
because the average driver in this part of the valley simply does NOT know 
how to drive in it.  I once observed a person in a front wheel drive car 
accelerate from a light so hard that they spun the tires... and promptly got 
stuck....only to accelerate MORE!!  That car ended up stuck in less than an 
inch of snow because they melted a hole with the tire's friction.

As much as I would like to make it, the Roadster is just not yet ready.  So 
I was going to drive the Z....which kind of defeats the purpose of joining a 
bunch of Roadster owners for a drive....in a Z.

So I concur, since I had held off on confirming based on whether I could get 
the Roadster finished or not.

Enrique


> WHAT!!  Come on guys - it is just little snow!  Man, I remember pushing
> snow with the bumper of my Roadster.
>
> Get out and be a man - no tops allowed - on the Roadster or you... AR,
> AR, AR..



> Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!
>
> The weatherman is calling for snow down to 500 ft in the gorge this
> weekend!
>
> So we have decided to postpone the event. We'll have a new date soon!
>
> I'll send emails to those who have RSVP'd and post on 311s.org - if you
> know someone who was planning on attending, please let them know!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Leigh Brooks

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Thu Apr 17 13:09:48 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Summit Point May 17-18
Message-ID: <008001c8a0be$9d57b360$d8071a20$@net>

  The SCCA races at Summit Point West Virginia have been the gather spot for
east coast Datsun 510 owners for some 10 years now.  But roadster have
always been welcomed.  It's time for a few more roadster owners to show up
and join the fun.  Camping at the track is the only way to enjoy all the
fun, but hotels are available in nearby Charles Town.  Mention the Datsun
Club at the gate and save $5.

 

Paul

Ohio

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Thu Apr 17 13:09:48 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Motivation?
Message-ID: <008501c8a0be$9e6775b0$db366110$@net>

  I can't get down to the Mitty at Road Atlanta this year.  Knowing that, I
just haven't had the motivation to get my roadster out of its winter hiding
place.  I thought warmer weather would do the trick this week since it has
been 70+ all week.  But the sun only made me dig my fishing rod out.  Nice
to have a pond across the street full of big bass.  But the roadster
remained tucked away under cover acting more like a shelf than a car.

 

  Today things changed.  Watching Craig Halsted wind up his latest purchase,
a '69 2000, as he left my place today, taking the zig-zag corners just down
the road, ... WOW!  Motivation!  Got out the battery charger as soon as
Craig was out of sight and hooked it up long enough to clean everything out
of the way.  Took a second or two for the fuel pump to settle down, but just
a bump of the starter got the KA24 rumbling.  A bit of a warm up and I took
a beautiful ride around the block.  New tires are required before I tackle
that left right corner out front, but it was great just taking an easy ride.

 

  Thanks Craig!  Now to decide what tires to buy and get those Empi's
cleaned up.

 

Paul

Ohio

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Thu Apr 17 13:44:46 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:44:46 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!
Message-ID: <041720081944.24165.4807A8AE0005394E00005E652200751090CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Yeah, the roadster mo' bettah, but if the Z is the only thing running....

I was resigned to driving the Chrysler Pig Car (aka '94 Concorde) since it became apparent this week that I couldn't have the 411 ready.

Now, depending on the new date, it might be.

Pete "almost Friday"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "E Scanlon" <escanlon at wa-net.com>
> I lived in Michigan and Iowa for a total of 16 years, and I can tell you for 
> a fact that it isn't the snow...
> it's the driver's who think snow is just stiff rain, and they're the same 
> ones that don't drive so well in the rain.
> 
> Around here, snow...period...receives round the clock - break into your 
> favorite show news coverage.  A fact that my wife STILL find hilarious after 
> being here 18 years.  "Snow Watch 200X", or StormWatch or some other catch 
> phrase....with the intro line "And three snow flakes have been observed in 
> the west hills, with reports coming in that they might take Max 
> downtown....."  and all this over less than an inch of snow.  Why?  Well, 
> because the average driver in this part of the valley simply does NOT know 
> how to drive in it.  I once observed a person in a front wheel drive car 
> accelerate from a light so hard that they spun the tires... and promptly got 
> stuck....only to accelerate MORE!!  That car ended up stuck in less than an 
> inch of snow because they melted a hole with the tire's friction.
> 
> As much as I would like to make it, the Roadster is just not yet ready.  So 
> I was going to drive the Z....which kind of defeats the purpose of joining a 
> bunch of Roadster owners for a drive....in a Z.
> 
> So I concur, since I had held off on confirming based on whether I could get 
> the Roadster finished or not.
> 
> Enrique
> 
> 
> > WHAT!!  Come on guys - it is just little snow!  Man, I remember pushing
> > snow with the bumper of my Roadster.
> >
> > Get out and be a man - no tops allowed - on the Roadster or you... AR,
> > AR, AR..
> 
> 
> 
> > Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!
> >
> > The weatherman is calling for snow down to 500 ft in the gorge this
> > weekend!
> >
> > So we have decided to postpone the event. We'll have a new date soon!
> >
> > I'll send emails to those who have RSVP'd and post on 311s.org - if you
> > know someone who was planning on attending, please let them know!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Leigh Brooks
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From nmleeds at mindspring.com  Thu Apr 17 14:23:45 2008
From: nmleeds at mindspring.com (nmleeds at mindspring.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:23:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo gear
Message-ID: <19955759.1208463825621.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Does anyone know where I can get a new speedo gear / sleeve setup? I currently have a 18 tooth gear and I think I'm registering speeds 130% of what they should be. So I should probably go to a 23 or 24 tooth gear -- or change the drive gear, if possible.

Weird part hunt. My favorite.

Nathaniel
'69 2000 SU White

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 17 15:40:58 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:40:58 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo gear
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Message-ID: <BAY106-W408C7CE38815317AA2C34BDFE50@phx.gbl>

I believe dean has a complete set - also someone has a ratio calculating
spreadsheet - so you can accurately configure what you need




> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:23:45 -0400> From: nmleeds at mindspring.com> To:
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: [Roadsters] Speedo gear> > Does
anyone know where I can get a new speedo gear / sleeve setup? I currently have
a 18 tooth gear and I think I'm registering speeds 130% of what they should
be. So I should probably go to a 23 or 24 tooth gear -- or change the drive
gear, if possible.> > Weird part hunt. My favorite.> > Nathaniel> '69 2000 SU
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From gsm at gregorysmorrison.com  Thu Apr 17 15:49:55 2008
From: gsm at gregorysmorrison.com (Gregory S. Morrison)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:49:55 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Chains
In-Reply-To: <004501c8a0b9$33e838f0$0300a8c0@HPW>
Message-ID: <C42D1413.9587%gsm@gregorysmorrison.com>

I recall chaining up my 1600 for a drive back to college. Deep, heavy snow
but it worked! Kind of a slow, rough ride though. Not recommended.

-Greg
SRL31100494


On 4/17/08 11:31 AM, "E Scanlon" <escanlon at wa-net.com> wrote:

> I lived in Michigan and Iowa for a total of 16 years, and I can tell you for
> a fact that it isn't the snow...
> it's the driver's who think snow is just stiff rain, and they're the same
> ones that don't drive so well in the rain.
> 
> Around here, snow...period...receives round the clock - break into your
> favorite show news coverage.  A fact that my wife STILL find hilarious after
> being here 18 years.  "Snow Watch 200X", or StormWatch or some other catch
> phrase....with the intro line "And three snow flakes have been observed in
> the west hills, with reports coming in that they might take Max
> downtown....."  and all this over less than an inch of snow.  Why?  Well,
> because the average driver in this part of the valley simply does NOT know
> how to drive in it.  I once observed a person in a front wheel drive car
> accelerate from a light so hard that they spun the tires... and promptly got
> stuck....only to accelerate MORE!!  That car ended up stuck in less than an
> inch of snow because they melted a hole with the tire's friction.
> 
> As much as I would like to make it, the Roadster is just not yet ready.  So
> I was going to drive the Z....which kind of defeats the purpose of joining a
> bunch of Roadster owners for a drive....in a Z.
> 
> So I concur, since I had held off on confirming based on whether I could get
> the Roadster finished or not.
> 
> Enrique
> 
> 
>> WHAT!!  Come on guys - it is just little snow!  Man, I remember pushing
>> snow with the bumper of my Roadster.
>> 
>> Get out and be a man - no tops allowed - on the Roadster or you... AR,
>> AR, AR..
> 
> 
> 
>> Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!
>> 
>> The weatherman is calling for snow down to 500 ft in the gorge this
>> weekend!
>> 
>> So we have decided to postpone the event. We'll have a new date soon!
>> 
>> I'll send emails to those who have RSVP'd and post on 311s.org - if you
>> know someone who was planning on attending, please let them know!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Leigh Brooks
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Thu Apr 17 16:10:23 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:10:23 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] A couple of questions
In-Reply-To: <E1JmISA-0002th-UW@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001601c8a0d7$d65051e0$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

You need a cap and rotor for a 1980 Datsun/Nissan 210 or 310 with an A
series engine, a-14 a-15 etc.  Get a brass contact set if you can.

There are 2 flashers

You are on your own with the clock, never tried that one.

Dave Brisco

East Coast Roadster

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew A. Smith [mailto:matthews517 at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:58 PM
To: 'datsun'
Subject: [Roadsters] A couple of questions

Hi All,

In order to save multiple emails, here are a few questions regarding my
'70
SRL:

How do I get the clock out without removing the dash? Is this possible?
(I
felt back there, and there don't seem to be any nuts to remove, as I'd
hoped. I want to mount the Harmon Kardon "drive and play" screen in that
space)

What parts do I ask for when getting a cap/rotor for a non-vacuum
advance
Gary Boone EI? (I lost the page with that info)

If I wish to replace the old style flasher unit with an electronic
type(s),
how many do I need? (I see multiples on the wiring schematic)

 

Preparing for Mitty,

Thanks!

Matt

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 17 17:29:18 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] A couple of questions
In-Reply-To: <001601c8a0d7$d65051e0$6800a8c0@delled48909442>
Message-ID: <E1JmdXV-00034e-55@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks Dave,
You're the only one who replied with the Flasher info so far. I guess I have
to go get a second one. I got an email from Gary "the man" himself about the
rotor and cap. "Cap and rotor for a 1982 Nissan 210 (1.4 L engine if they
have to ask what engine)". I assume the later year may have the brass
contact set. I'm thinking some Velcro tape on the OUTSIDE of the dash OVER
the clock may be the way to go to mount my iPod controller screen. I have
too much other stuff I want to do before Mitty to frustrate myself taking
out everything I would need to (heater box, controllers, etc., to get my fat
ass close enough to the clock to pull it!
Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:10 PM
To: 'Matthew A. Smith'
Cc: Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] A couple of questions

You need a cap and rotor for a 1980 Datsun/Nissan 210 or 310 with an A
series engine, a-14 a-15 etc.  Get a brass contact set if you can.

There are 2 flashers

You are on your own with the clock, never tried that one.

Dave Brisco

East Coast Roadster

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew A. Smith [mailto:matthews517 at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:58 PM
To: 'datsun'
Subject: [Roadsters] A couple of questions

Hi All,

In order to save multiple emails, here are a few questions regarding my
'70
SRL:

How do I get the clock out without removing the dash? Is this possible?
(I
felt back there, and there don't seem to be any nuts to remove, as I'd
hoped. I want to mount the Harmon Kardon "drive and play" screen in that
space)

What parts do I ask for when getting a cap/rotor for a non-vacuum
advance
Gary Boone EI? (I lost the page with that info)

If I wish to replace the old style flasher unit with an electronic
type(s),
how many do I need? (I see multiples on the wiring schematic)

 

Preparing for Mitty,

Thanks!

Matt
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From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 17 17:38:19 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Motivation?
In-Reply-To: <008501c8a0be$9e6775b0$db366110$@net>
Message-ID: <E1JmdgD-00073I-HK@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Paul,
I love my Goodyear Eagle F1's! The Bass are biting huh? Hmmmm. I know you've
told me before, but what part of Ohio?!?!?! Only one road trip this
spring/summer (Mitty) WON'T do it! LOL! I LOVE zig zag corners (actually I
used to use Zig-Zag cutcorners back in my younger days for easier rolling).
Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:10 PM
To: 'datsun-roadsters'
Subject: [Roadsters] Motivation?

  I can't get down to the Mitty at Road Atlanta this year.  Knowing that, I
just haven't had the motivation to get my roadster out of its winter hiding
place.  I thought warmer weather would do the trick this week since it has
been 70+ all week.  But the sun only made me dig my fishing rod out.  Nice
to have a pond across the street full of big bass.  But the roadster
remained tucked away under cover acting more like a shelf than a car.

 

  Today things changed.  Watching Craig Halsted wind up his latest purchase,
a '69 2000, as he left my place today, taking the zig-zag corners just down
the road, ... WOW!  Motivation!  Got out the battery charger as soon as
Craig was out of sight and hooked it up long enough to clean everything out
of the way.  Took a second or two for the fuel pump to settle down, but just
a bump of the starter got the KA24 rumbling.  A bit of a warm up and I took
a beautiful ride around the block.  New tires are required before I tackle
that left right corner out front, but it was great just taking an easy ride.

 

  Thanks Craig!  Now to decide what tires to buy and get those Empi's
cleaned up.

 

Paul

Ohio
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 16 16:58:55 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:58:55 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Emptying my head. product testimonials
References: <E1Jlu3u-0007BT-DP@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<BE2A51341F1D4271822CA7F63E894000@ownerPC>
Message-ID: <000001c8a104$37e64c80$c300800a@garage.local>

anyone have kids?  baby wipes for cleaning the engine compartment, etc

From tputland at charter.net  Fri Apr 18 05:10:40 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 4:10:40 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Chains
In-Reply-To: <C42D1413.9587%gsm@gregorysmorrison.com>
Message-ID: <20080418071040.GVYI3.115478.root@fepweb09>

I can remember Dad and I taking the Roadster to Tahoe to go skiing on a regular basis when I was a kid. I even have the tire chains still. 

Hard to imagine that this little car has been up over Donner pass more times than I can count.

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- "Gregory S. Morrison" <gsm at gregorysmorrison.com> wrote: 

=============
I recall chaining up my 1600 for a drive back to college. Deep, heavy snow
but it worked! Kind of a slow, rough ride though. Not recommended.

-Greg
SRL31100494


On 4/17/08 11:31 AM, "E Scanlon" <escanlon at wa-net.com> wrote:

> I lived in Michigan and Iowa for a total of 16 years, and I can tell you for
> a fact that it isn't the snow...
> it's the driver's who think snow is just stiff rain, and they're the same
> ones that don't drive so well in the rain.
> 
> Around here, snow...period...receives round the clock - break into your
> favorite show news coverage.  A fact that my wife STILL find hilarious after
> being here 18 years.  "Snow Watch 200X", or StormWatch or some other catch
> phrase....with the intro line "And three snow flakes have been observed in
> the west hills, with reports coming in that they might take Max
> downtown....."  and all this over less than an inch of snow.  Why?  Well,
> because the average driver in this part of the valley simply does NOT know
> how to drive in it.  I once observed a person in a front wheel drive car
> accelerate from a light so hard that they spun the tires... and promptly got
> stuck....only to accelerate MORE!!  That car ended up stuck in less than an
> inch of snow because they melted a hole with the tire's friction.
> 
> As much as I would like to make it, the Roadster is just not yet ready.  So
> I was going to drive the Z....which kind of defeats the purpose of joining a
> bunch of Roadster owners for a drive....in a Z.
> 
> So I concur, since I had held off on confirming based on whether I could get
> the Roadster finished or not.
> 
> Enrique
> 
> 
>> WHAT!!  Come on guys - it is just little snow!  Man, I remember pushing
>> snow with the bumper of my Roadster.
>> 
>> Get out and be a man - no tops allowed - on the Roadster or you... AR,
>> AR, AR..
> 
> 
> 
>> Subject: [Roadsters] Hood River Run postponed due to snow!
>> 
>> The weatherman is calling for snow down to 500 ft in the gorge this
>> weekend!
>> 
>> So we have decided to postpone the event. We'll have a new date soon!
>> 
>> I'll send emails to those who have RSVP'd and post on 311s.org - if you
>> know someone who was planning on attending, please let them know!
>> 
>> Thanks,

From Keith0alan at aol.com  Fri Apr 18 06:42:28 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:42:28 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Motivation?
Message-ID: <c4e.30113fcd.3539f134@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/17/2008 12:13:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
9laser3 at bright.net writes:

I  can't get down to the Mitty at Road Atlanta this year.   

Paul

Ohio




Darn the luck, I was looking forward to seeing you there.
 
keith



**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car 
listings at AOL Autos.      
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From bstjacques at atrua.com  Fri Apr 18 09:20:59 2008
From: bstjacques at atrua.com (Brian St. Jacques)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:20:59 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
Message-ID: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8902@exch01.icontrolinc.com>

Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
have the interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any
recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?

Brian
'68 1600

From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 18 09:30:18 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:30:18 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
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References: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8902@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W54FE347100B63B1931C768DFE40@phx.gbl>

6 - one at each corner

> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:20:59 -0700> From: bstjacques at atrua.com> To:
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight> > Anyone
have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I> have the
interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any> recommendations
on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?> > Brian> '68 1600>
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From jover4x4 at aol.com  Fri Apr 18 09:41:11 2008
From: jover4x4 at aol.com (jover4x4 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
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Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
have the interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any
recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?


Brian,

I lifted my body off of the frame with a typical engine cherry picker.? I attached a chain to the seat belt mounting holes on the tunnel and hooked the cherry picker to that.? It took one person manning the lift and one man on front since the mounting location was not at the center of gravity.? When lifted like this the person in front of the body must support a weight of approximately?75 pounds.? I think this would be safer than trying to lift with 4 people.? I did give that a thought though.

Note: keep doors on to help structurally support body and?be careful to not?hit the boom with top of door.

John Over


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To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 9:20 am
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight



Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
have the interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any
recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?

Brian
'68 1600
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From mikef at carolina.rr.com  Fri Apr 18 09:55:13 2008
From: mikef at carolina.rr.com (mikef at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
Message-ID: <18396274.1248861208534113785.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web28-z02>

Ok, its Friday, I'm at work, it's 75 degrees outside and I am tired and want to go home.  Where are the other 2 corners?  

Mike Faggart
68 2L
seroc
---- peter harrison <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 6 - one at each corner
> 
> > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:20:59 -0700> From: bstjacques at atrua.com> To:
> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight> > Anyone
> have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I> have the
> interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any> recommendations
> on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?> > Brian> '68 1600>
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From andycost at embarqmail.com  Fri Apr 18 10:16:56 2008
From: andycost at embarqmail.com (andycost at embarqmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:16:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
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The body is close to 400 pounds. The frame is close to 400 pounds.  The engine is close to 400 pounds. Everything else (fenders, hood, deck lid, carpet, seats, etc...) is close to 600 pounds. 2000 pounds total. Roughly.

I used an engine hoist several times.  I used two nylon tie down straps.  one went straight across between the holes in front of the door jamb where the hold open bar resides.  The other went straight across between the large holes beside the package tray.  They were both attached to the hook on the engine hoist.  I was able to adjust the front one tighter and the rear one looser in order to get the body to lift evenly.  Ratcheting tie down straps work best for fine tuning the body angle.

The body on my car only weighs 150 pounds give or take.  I have gutted most everything and cut everything off in front of the firewall and behind the step up to the package tray.

Andy

PS - You'll always find something that you forgot to remove like the throttle cable, brake line, etc...  That makes the lift quite a bit more weight.

----- Original Message -----
From: jover4x4 at aol.com
To: bstjacques at atrua.com, datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:41:11 AM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight

Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
have the interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any
recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?

From bubwin at mts.net  Fri Apr 18 10:22:13 2008
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:22:13 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
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	<BAY106-W54FE347100B63B1931C768DFE40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <14EBC2E352674C58B1110AC4ED906254@ownerPC>

My roadster only has 4 corners.  If it had 6 I don't think it would be 
salvageable

Bob Winslade
1966-1600 Missy (half dug out from being winter's catch all)
1967-1600 Bender
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter harrison" <granvillecomputing at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight


>6 - one at each corner
>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:20:59 -0700> From: bstjacques at atrua.com> To:
> datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight> > 
> Anyone
> have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I> have 
> the
> interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any> 
> recommendations
> on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?> > Brian> '68 
> 1600>
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From bstjacques at atrua.com  Fri Apr 18 10:52:31 2008
From: bstjacques at atrua.com (Brian St. Jacques)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:52:31 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
In-Reply-To: <5404448.2683891208535416620.JavaMail.root@md01.embarq.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8918@exch01.icontrolinc.com>

So were you just hooking the tie downs to open holes in vertical
sections of the body, or were you doing anything to secure them - like
bolting them down?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of andycost at embarqmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:17 AM
To: datsun-roadsters
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight

The body is close to 400 pounds. The frame is close to 400 pounds.  The
engine is close to 400 pounds. Everything else (fenders, hood, deck lid,
carpet, seats, etc...) is close to 600 pounds. 2000 pounds total.
Roughly.

I used an engine hoist several times.  I used two nylon tie down straps.
one went straight across between the holes in front of the door jamb
where the hold open bar resides.  The other went straight across between
the large holes beside the package tray.  They were both attached to the
hook on the engine hoist.  I was able to adjust the front one tighter
and the rear one looser in order to get the body to lift evenly.
Ratcheting tie down straps work best for fine tuning the body angle.

The body on my car only weighs 150 pounds give or take.  I have gutted
most everything and cut everything off in front of the firewall and
behind the step up to the package tray.

Andy

PS - You'll always find something that you forgot to remove like the
throttle cable, brake line, etc...  That makes the lift quite a bit more
weight.

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Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight

Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
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recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 18 11:24:54 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:24:54 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Interesting WebSite Re Datsuns
Message-ID: <BAY106-W54ECC65AFFCCD9ED091ADDDFE40@phx.gbl>

http://www.earlydatsun.com/index.html

From ruth at earlydatsun.com  Fri Apr 18 13:47:16 2008
From: ruth at earlydatsun.com (Ruth)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:47:16 +1000
Subject: [Roadsters] Interesting WebSite Re Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W54ECC65AFFCCD9ED091ADDDFE40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-W54ECC65AFFCCD9ED091ADDDFE40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <473F1806-6C8C-463F-983C-C9D059821ECB@earlydatsun.com>

Hehehe! Yes, it is, isn't it?

Ruth

PS Check out this page: http://www.earlydatsun.com/us.html . She  
looks alright!

:-)


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From reblues at reblues.net  Fri Apr 18 14:45:58 2008
From: reblues at reblues.net (Richard Brown)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:45:58 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
References: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8918@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
Message-ID: <02a801c8a195$34f5c460$6501a8c0@ACER4230>

I ran I bolts through the seat mount holes then through 6" 2x6's.  I hooked 
my tow chains to the I bolts from side to side and crossing them.  The 
cherry picker lifted the body right off.  The 2x6's gave support against 
flexing.  It is easier to remove with two people but I've done it alone more 
than once.  Go slow so if anything is stuck you don't bend something.

Richard Brown


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian St. Jacques" <bstjacques at atrua.com>
To: <andycost at embarqmail.com>; "datsun-roadsters" 
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight


> So were you just hooking the tie downs to open holes in vertical
> sections of the body, or were you doing anything to secure them - like
> bolting them down?
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of andycost at embarqmail.com
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:17 AM
> To: datsun-roadsters
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight
>
> The body is close to 400 pounds. The frame is close to 400 pounds.  The
> engine is close to 400 pounds. Everything else (fenders, hood, deck lid,
> carpet, seats, etc...) is close to 600 pounds. 2000 pounds total.
> Roughly.
>
> I used an engine hoist several times.  I used two nylon tie down straps.
> one went straight across between the holes in front of the door jamb
> where the hold open bar resides.  The other went straight across between
> the large holes beside the package tray.  They were both attached to the
> hook on the engine hoist.  I was able to adjust the front one tighter
> and the rear one looser in order to get the body to lift evenly.
> Ratcheting tie down straps work best for fine tuning the body angle.
>
> The body on my car only weighs 150 pounds give or take.  I have gutted
> most everything and cut everything off in front of the firewall and
> behind the step up to the package tray.
>
> Andy
>
> PS - You'll always find something that you forgot to remove like the
> throttle cable, brake line, etc...  That makes the lift quite a bit more
> weight.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jover4x4 at aol.com
> To: bstjacques at atrua.com, datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:41:11 AM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight
>
> Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
> have the interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any
> recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Fri Apr 18 16:08:36 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:08:36 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Interesting WebSite Re Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <473F1806-6C8C-463F-983C-C9D059821ECB@earlydatsun.com>
References: <BAY106-W54ECC65AFFCCD9ED091ADDDFE40@phx.gbl>
	<473F1806-6C8C-463F-983C-C9D059821ECB@earlydatsun.com>
Message-ID: <8CA6FB7E1EAB79C-ECC-116C@webmail-ne05.sysops.aol.com>

Y'all have your own personal Solvang, don't you? LOL

Linda


-----Original Message-----
From: Ruth <ruth at earlydatsun.com>
Cc: datsun <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Interesting WebSite Re Datsuns

Hehehe! Yes, it is, isn't it?

Ruth

PS Check out this page: http://www.earlydatsun.com/us.html . She
looks alright!

:-)

From d-solomon at comcast.net  Fri Apr 18 17:40:19 2008
From: d-solomon at comcast.net (Daniel Solomon)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:40:19 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
In-Reply-To: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8902@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
References: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8902@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
Message-ID: <48093163.8020901@comcast.net>

hehehe
i did this at 2:30am... nobody was around to help, and i managed to get 
it onto my rotisserie.  1 person.

but i think two would be easier :-)


Brian St. Jacques wrote:
> Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
> have the interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any
> recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?
>
> Brian
> '68 1600
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From jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 19 00:03:00 2008
From: jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net (jtorres67)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:03:00 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] SOLVANG 2008.....A couple of important things
Message-ID: <000601c8a1e3$0cac84a0$19736b4b@Torres>

Hey all,

A couple of things regarding Solvang. Thursday April 24th will be the last day
I check my Post Office Box for registrations...sooo if you register and
possibly, remotely, think it will get to me Friday, wait 'till Saturday and
register the day of the show. I plan on being in Solvang on Thursday evening
and we will be staying at the Motel 6.

Other things....Unfortunately The Mendenhall Museum notified me that we they
will be charging $5 at the door for all adults entering the museum(kids are
free). Up until this year they have always charged our group a flat fee, which
we again paid this year. They are now requiring admission plus a "user" fee
that we already have paid.  They tried to collect

Sooo. there ya' have it. Don't kill the messenger or the show organizer. It is
a drag, I don't like it and am disappointed, but I figure an extra $5 won't
kill anyone. Besides...think of all the good times and camaraderie we have on
friday nights. Hope you all understand.

Jeff T.

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 19 06:32:34 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:32:34 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
In-Reply-To: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8902@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
Message-ID: <E1JnCF0-0004me-CC@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Brian,
Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but... however many people you
determine you need, get two more. Body work is a pain. ESPECIALLY body work
that didn't need to be done BEFORE YOU STARTED! LOL!
Matt Smith
(About to go outside and play with my car to put on some of the pretty
pieces I made, cleaned, painted, or polished this winter)

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brian St. Jacques
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:21 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight

Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
have the interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any
recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?

Brian
'68 1600
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From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 19 06:38:25 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] SOLVANG 2008.....A couple of important things
In-Reply-To: <000601c8a1e3$0cac84a0$19736b4b@Torres>
Message-ID: <E1JnCKf-0001uV-Bz@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

And what's one gallon of Premium gas among friends?
Matt  :-)

It is a drag, I don't like it and am disappointed, but I figure an extra $5
won't kill anyone. 

Jeff T.

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Sat Apr 19 06:45:05 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:45:05 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
In-Reply-To: <E1JnCF0-0004me-CC@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8902@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
	<E1JnCF0-0004me-CC@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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  And don't forget to have one extra person to look underneath, while the
rest of you lift, to find out what wire/hose/bolt is still connected and
stopping you from lifting the body clear of the frame!

BTDT!
Paul
Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:33 AM
To: 'Brian St. Jacques'; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight

Brian,
Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but... however many people you
determine you need, get two more. Body work is a pain. ESPECIALLY body work
that didn't need to be done BEFORE YOU STARTED! LOL!
Matt Smith
(About to go outside and play with my car to put on some of the pretty
pieces I made, cleaned, painted, or polished this winter)

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brian St. Jacques
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:21 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight

Anyone have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I
have the interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any
recommendations on the number of people to use to lift it off the frame?

Brian
'68 1600
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From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 19 15:42:11 2008
From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:42:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] castle nut on the end of the spindle
Message-ID: <462880.91434.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi everyone
i'm putting my hubs back together.  and i'm wondering, because i could not find it in the service manual, what is the convention for tightening that nut?  the one on the end of the spindle, through which the cotter pin goes.  is it tightened to a certain torque?  i have no idea really.
thank you in advance
steve
675MIZU

From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com  Sat Apr 19 16:17:14 2008
From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] castle nut on the end of the spindle
In-Reply-To: <462880.91434.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <462880.91434.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480A6F6A.8030300@hornesystemstx.com>

Steve,

The way I do it is to tighten the nut with a wrench while spinning the 
hub. Tighten the nut until it is snug, then back it off until it is 
loose. Next, tighten it finger tight, and check to see if either of the 
holes in the spindle line up with a space in the nut. If one does, put 
the cotter pin in. If not, loosen the nut until you are able to get the 
cotter pin in.

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake steven boortz:
> hi everyone
> i'm putting my hubs back together.  and i'm wondering, because i could not find it in the service manual, what is the convention for tightening that nut?  the one on the end of the spindle, through which the cotter pin goes.  is it tightened to a certain torque?  i have no idea really.
> thank you in advance
> steve
> 675MIZU
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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 19 20:26:25 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:26:25 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
In-Reply-To: <001801c8a21b$34587c10$9d097430$@net>
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	<E1JnCF0-0004me-CC@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 
	<001801c8a21b$34587c10$9d097430$@net>
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well - that's ALMOST 6 , G>

> From: 9laser3 at bright.net> To: matthews517 at earthlink.net;
bstjacques at atrua.com; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008
08:45:05 -0400> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body Weight> > And don't forget to
have one extra person to look underneath, while the> rest of you lift, to find
out what wire/hose/bolt is still connected and> stopping you from lifting the
body clear of the frame!> > BTDT!> Paul> Ohio> > -----Original Message----->
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net>
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On> Behalf
Of Matthew A. Smith> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:33 AM> To: 'Brian St.
Jacques'; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Body
Weight> > Brian,> Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but... however many
people you> determine you need, get two more. Body work is a pain. ESPECIALLY
body work> that didn't need to be done BEFORE YOU STARTED! LOL!> Matt Smith>
(About to go outside and play with my car to put on some of the pretty> pieces
I made, cleaned, painted, or polished this winter)> > -----Original
Message-----> From:
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datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight> > Anyone
have a rough idea on the weight of the roadster body by itself? I> have the
interior fully gutted, no top, all body panels in place. Any> recommendations
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From aultgc at att.net  Sun Apr 20 07:13:58 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:13:58 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] castle nut on the end of the spindle
References: <462880.91434.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c8a2e8$6578d830$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Steve,

I'll put this out there and let the rest of the list take shots at it.

I've never seen written direction on re-assembly of the front hubs that I 
can recall.  What I have done is to tighten the spindle  (castle) nut until 
there is no play between the spindle and the hub  If you grask the tire by 
the OD, you'll see movement if there is any.  After getting it to the point 
of no movement, I back the spindle nut off just enough to get the cotter pin 
into one of the slots.  Between the two holes in the spindle, and the number 
of slots in the spindle nut, you'll only need to back it off a bit.  You 
still should see any play.  Then drive the car a bit and re-check.  If you 
have installed new bearings, it may take a bit of driving to get them seated 
completely.  (In my mind "bit" = a mile or so.)

You want the spindle nut just tight enough so there is no play.  It doesn't 
need to be any tighter.

Anybody else?  Bubba, how do you do it?

Now, I can tell you what happens if you get too much grease in the front 
hubs:  You wind up spending part of a Sunday morning in a Holiday Inn 
parking lot in Phoenix on your way from LA to Houston dismantling the hubs, 
taking out some grease, and trying to clean the grease which blew past the 
seals off the brake pads.  (In 1973, everything in Phoenix was closed on 
Sunday mornings.)

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steven boortz" <vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com>
To: "roadsters" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 4:42 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] castle nut on the end of the spindle


> hi everyone
> i'm putting my hubs back together.  and i'm wondering, because i could not 
> find it in the service manual, what is the convention for tightening that 
> nut?  the one on the end of the spindle, through which the cotter pin 
> goes.  is it tightened to a certain torque?  i have no idea really.
> thank you in advance
> steve
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 20 07:36:31 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Weight
In-Reply-To: <001801c8a21b$34587c10$9d097430$@net>
Message-ID: <540004.93193.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

if you look on 311s.org you will also see a methodology for using an engine lift.

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 20 11:33:44 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:33:44 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Walter Mitty
Message-ID: <E1JndQ8-0007rb-LP@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi All,

For anyone interested in where the 'Mitty' came from, Turner Classic Movies
(TCM) has the 1947 movie starting in half an hour. 

FYI

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Sun Apr 20 13:33:31 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:33:31 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] 2 pcs Empi ?s
Message-ID: <000201c8a31d$6bc26460$43472d20$@net>

  I'm finally getting around to cleaning up a set of 2 pieces vintage Empi
wheels I picked up several years ago.  They never would hold air si I know I
have to split the rims and clean up the seals.  I have new o-rings to
install.

 

  So, how do the tires come off?  Can I just pull the rims apart or does it
still require a big tire machine?

 

  Or should I sell the wheels and go look for something newer?

 

Paul

Ohio

From joek at camberconstruction.com  Sun Apr 20 16:04:15 2008
From: joek at camberconstruction.com (Joe Kinstle)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:04:15 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 2 pcs Empi ?s
In-Reply-To: <000201c8a31d$6bc26460$43472d20$@net>
References: <000201c8a31d$6bc26460$43472d20$@net>
Message-ID: <022c01c8a332$794b9d30$020fa8c0@lapjoek>

No big machine needed.  It's been awhile, but this is what I remember.  Let
all the air out, unbolt the 2 halves, and push the sidewall in.  The tire is
a bit of a friction fit to the wheel halves, and I may have taken a 2x4 and
3 lb hammer to push the tire lip off the rim half, but I don't remember it
being that hard to do.

Make sure you clean the groove well, and fill any voids (I used JB Weld) so
that gasket has a smooth surface to rest on.  Mine still leak a little, I
have to add air 3-4 times a year.  Next time I take them apart, I'll paint
the inside.

Also, if you go with inside weights, make sure they don't put them on top of
the ribs, or they'll rub on the brake parts.

Joe Kinstle
'68 2L
BLK SRL

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+joek=camberconstruction.com at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:34 PM
To: 'datsun-roadsters'; bluebirds
Subject: [Roadsters] 2 pcs Empi ?s

  I'm finally getting around to cleaning up a set of 2 pieces vintage Empi
wheels I picked up several years ago.  They never would hold air si I know I
have to split the rims and clean up the seals.  I have new o-rings to
install.

 

  So, how do the tires come off?  Can I just pull the rims apart or does it
still require a big tire machine?

 

  Or should I sell the wheels and go look for something newer?

 

Paul

Ohio
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From slowboy at cox.net  Sun Apr 20 16:54:17 2008
From: slowboy at cox.net (SlowBoy)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Portable MP3
Message-ID: <001001c8a339$76ecc170$8b01a8c0@m7170n>

Not being current with current MP3 technology I was looking for suggestions on
a portable MP3 player. It has to handle more than 2000 songs and have the
ability to transmit an FM signal to play over the car audio system. I would
prefer not to use the well known IPOD.

Thanks!

Jim

From fj201 at cox.net  Sun Apr 20 17:13:11 2008
From: fj201 at cox.net (Ron Hamilton)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:13:11 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Portable MP3
In-Reply-To: <001001c8a339$76ecc170$8b01a8c0@m7170n>
References: <001001c8a339$76ecc170$8b01a8c0@m7170n>
Message-ID: <480BCE07.3020206@cox.net>

Isn't that an FM station???

SlowBoy wrote:

From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sun Apr 20 18:52:01 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:52:01 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] 2 pcs Empi ?s
Message-ID: <bcc.263c8d2c.353d3f31@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/20/2008 12:34:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
9laser3 at bright.net writes:

I'm finally getting around to cleaning up a set of 2 pieces vintage  Empi
wheels I picked up several years ago.  They never would hold air  si I know I
have to split the rims and clean up the seals.  I have new  o-rings to
install.



So, how do the tires come  off?  Can I just pull the rims apart or does it
still require a big  tire machine?



Or should I sell the wheels and go look  for something  newer?



Paul

Ohio



Paul,
 
    Don't bother, I'll take them off your hands in  June. What's scrap going 
for these days? (just kidding) I would think either way  would work to get 
them apart. You will still need to unseat the beads but that  shouldn't be too 
hard. Putting two part rims back together with the tire and a  tube can be 
tough. 
 
    Are they magnesium or aluminum? I've heard the mag  ones tend to stress 
crack so they need checked closely when you have them apart. 
 
keith



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From todd.osborn at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 20 18:58:30 2008
From: todd.osborn at sbcglobal.net (Todd Osborn)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:58:30 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] 2 pcs Empi ?s
In-Reply-To: <022c01c8a332$794b9d30$020fa8c0@lapjoek>
Message-ID: <001301c8a34a$d13d6bf0$c700a8c0@HAL5000>

I don't recommend using a hammer; I broke an EMPI rim that way. Fortunately
it was on the inside and I was able to have it Heli-Arc welded. 
To separate the halves, set the rim and tire on an old carpet to protect the
spokes. Let all the air out and remove the Schrader valve, pry the tire free
from the edge of the rim using two large screwdrivers or tire irons. The
inside of the rim does not have a locking bead, but is slightly tapered from
the center to the edge so there will be some resistance for the first inch
or so; just keep working around the rim to move the tire bead down. Once the
tire is worked free then remove the eight nuts holding the halves together.
If the rim halves are stuck together you can wedge a putty knife between the
halves, but only insert about 1/8" or you may damage the sealing surface. It
is safest to pry where the studs are, since the seal surface is on the other
side of the stud. You may need to pry with screwdrivers but again only
insert a little to prevent damage. If you try using o-rings (I didn't have
much luck and went with inner tubes), you need to get the flat surface on
the inboard half of the rim smooth and pit free. Likewise the bottom of the
groove in the outboard half needs to be smooth and pit free. I recall Parker
seal call for an 8 microinch finish, nearly mirror polish. The sides of the
groove are less critical, but need to be clean. The o-ring should have about
a 20% squeeze and should be lubricated with compatible grease. I don't know
the spec torque for the nuts, but I use blue Loctite and torque to 35
ft-lbs.
Todd Osborn
DATSFUN - 68 2000
San Jose, Ca

PS - Joe are you and Kate going to Solvang? EveAnn and I are leaving Friday
around 1:30pm.

Joe Kinstle wrote:

No big machine needed.  It's been awhile, but this is what I remember.  Let
all the air out, unbolt the 2 halves, and push the sidewall in.  The tire is
a bit of a friction fit to the wheel halves, and I may have taken a 2x4 and
3 lb hammer to push the tire lip off the rim half, but I don't remember it
being that hard to do.

From roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 21 05:45:39 2008
From: roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com (Mike Harper)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:45:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Rescued '73 MG Midget for sale
Message-ID: <899275.18933.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

several months ago, I rescued this great '73 Midget
project car from a sure death in a field.  The owner
had given up on ever restoring it (son lost interest)
, and he called me because he knew I was a car guy. 
It is much too good to part out, and I do not have the
time (or passion) to restore it.  It is pretty much
"all there" and ran good when he parked it a couple of
years ago. I have the bills of sale and the last title
(NC).

Here is the Craigs List link.  I need the garage
space.  Someone come get it!  I will negotiate for a
quick pick up.  Wish I had the time...

http://charleston.craigslist.org/car/635942907.html 

Mike Harper
Mt Pleasant (Charleston) SC

From tputland at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 07:08:43 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 6:08:43 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Rescued '73 MG Midget for sale
In-Reply-To: <899275.18933.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080421090843.QZQ1C.73953.root@fepweb03>

Isn't is sacrilege to advertise an mg on the Datsun Roadster list forum?     ;-)
    
Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- Mike Harper <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
several months ago, I rescued this great '73 Midget
project car from a sure death in a field.  The owner
had given up on ever restoring it (son lost interest)
, and he called me because he knew I was a car guy. 
It is much too good to part out, and I do not have the
time (or passion) to restore it.  It is pretty much
"all there" and ran good when he parked it a couple of
years ago. I have the bills of sale and the last title
(NC).

Here is the Craigs List link.  I need the garage
space.  Someone come get it!  I will negotiate for a
quick pick up.  Wish I had the time...

http://charleston.craigslist.org/car/635942907.html 

Mike Harper
Mt Pleasant (Charleston) SC
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From BARTERDUDE at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 07:24:16 2008
From: BARTERDUDE at aol.com (BARTERDUDE at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:24:16 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Rescued '73 MG Midget for sale
Message-ID: <c17.340da2eb.353def80@aol.com>

Strange thought but the motor design from the fairlady's came from Austin  
Healey.  Isn't that to other side of the pond and same neighborhood as the  
MG's??
 
Gary
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 7:09:11 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
tputland at charter.net writes:

Isn't is  sacrilege to advertise an mg on the Datsun Roadster list forum?   
;-)

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND  SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- Mike Harper  <roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
several  months ago, I rescued this great '73 Midget
project car from a sure death  in a field.  The owner
had given up on ever restoring it (son lost  interest)
, and he called me because he knew I was a car guy. 
It is  much too good to part out, and I do not have the
time (or passion) to  restore it.  It is pretty much
"all there" and ran good when he parked  it a couple of
years ago. I have the bills of sale and the last  title
(NC).

Here is the Craigs List link.  I need the  garage
space.  Someone come get it!  I will negotiate for  a
quick pick up.  Wish I had the  time...

http://charleston.craigslist.org/car/635942907.html  

Mike Harper
Mt Pleasant (Charleston) SC
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From chalsted at comcast.net  Mon Apr 21 08:18:29 2008
From: chalsted at comcast.net (chalsted)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:18:29 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] advertising non-roadsters on the list
References: <20080421090843.QZQ1C.73953.root@fepweb03>
Message-ID: <002501c8a3ba$935ded30$47a07d18@craigscomputer>

does that mean I shouldn't tell anyone on the list about the nice Volvo 122s 
Amazon or the GMC Eleganza motorhome I have available?  ;-)  had a nice run 
home in the 69 2000 I picked up in Kalamazoo a week ago, got to visit Lee 
Ehinger and Paul Kort on the way home as well as the Auburn Cord Duesenburg 
museum :-)  they had a '48 Lincoln Continental Coupe in the collection too, 
a fellow list member picked one of those up off me a few years back. hoping 
to pick up an Amphicar and a '69 Dodge Dart GTS 440 in the near future, they 
will also be available. there are also (5) A-H 100-4's could be had  that 
I'll be taking pix of that trip. I think there are lots of us on the list 
that aren't just Datsun folks, we're CAR junkies :-) and boats, motorhomes, 
airplanes...

Craig 

From tputland at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 08:28:10 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 7:28:10 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] advertising non-roadsters on the list
Message-ID: <20080421102810.9JYK2.77760.root@fepweb03>

Hey now. I was making a wise crack. I certainly didn't want to start any controversy or flaming. Not that you did Craig!!!!!

Now I am sure I will get out of line remarks/comments from the "too chicken s**t to sign his name" person out there who likes to stir stuff up.

Hating this Monday more than most.

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- chalsted <chalsted at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
does that mean I shouldn't tell anyone on the list about the nice Volvo 122s 
Amazon or the GMC Eleganza motorhome I have available?  ;-)  had a nice run 
home in the 69 2000 I picked up in Kalamazoo a week ago, got to visit Lee 
Ehinger and Paul Kort on the way home as well as the Auburn Cord Duesenburg 
museum :-)  they had a '48 Lincoln Continental Coupe in the collection too, 
a fellow list member picked one of those up off me a few years back. hoping 
to pick up an Amphicar and a '69 Dodge Dart GTS 440 in the near future, they 
will also be available. there are also (5) A-H 100-4's could be had  that 
I'll be taking pix of that trip. I think there are lots of us on the list 
that aren't just Datsun folks, we're CAR junkies :-) and boats, motorhomes, 
airplanes...

Craig 

From tputland at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 09:18:15 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:18:15 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
Message-ID: <20080421111815.6JBPI.80918.root@fepweb03>

6-inliner   is selling ebay item #230244001764 for the second time. I won this item a while back and never received it. Because I paid with a money order (seller does not take paypal) ebay would not do any thing for me. Seller claimed he insured it and sent it but did not produce insurance paper work as I requested. 

Tell your friends to avoid this guy and don't make the same mistake I did. 

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

From konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com  Mon Apr 21 10:09:08 2008
From: konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com (David R. Conrad)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:09:08 -1000
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <20080421111815.6JBPI.80918.root@fepweb03>
Message-ID: <4580EDD4-0FBD-11DD-A453-000A27DC00A0@hawaii.rr.com>

Tim:

I note the seller has 100% positive feedback with numerous 'glowing' 
comments.  Why is your negative experience not reflected?  I presume he 
refunded your money order payment, but why was it necessary for him to 
re-list it rather than ship it to you.  Curious...

Dave


On Monday, April 21, 2008, at 05:18 AM, Tim wrote:

> 6-inliner   is selling ebay item #230244001764 for the second time. I 
> won this item a while back and never received it. Because I paid with 
> a money order (seller does not take paypal) ebay would not do any 
> thing for me. Seller claimed he insured it and sent it but did not 
> produce insurance paper work as I requested.
>
> Tell your friends to avoid this guy and don't make the same mistake I 
> did.
>
> Tim
> Belleville, WI.
> '70 SPL AND SRL
> Still clueless but always learning

From akarcioglu at telus.net  Mon Apr 21 10:26:29 2008
From: akarcioglu at telus.net (alp)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:26:29 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
Message-ID: <1208795189.480cc0351ed4d@webmail.telus.net>

now he wants  money order only because he knows that ebay will do nothing about it.

From solex675 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 21 10:33:34 2008
From: solex675 at hotmail.com (Andrew Murphy)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:33:34 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Friday Caravans set (at least I think so)
Message-ID: <BAY144-W37E2C71617464CCF5033D796E10@phx.gbl>

Hey Folks!

I hope everyone in the East is looking forward to the Mitty as we are out here
in the West are or Solvang! The week is here at last! We took the car out for
a nice long drive this last weekend and it is ready to go. So now comes the
fun part - getting together with everyone else.

On Friday, the San Diego area folks are meeting up down there and heading up
I-5. That should be one nice morning drive! I will arrive at the Nordstrom's
parking lot at the Irvine Spectrum at 10:30 AM and will hang out until 11:00
AM or so. I have not heard from anyone saying they will meet me there, but I
figure I can just head to the valley and meet everyone at the Woodlake bowl if
no one stops by.

So from the South:

Take I-5 North to I-405 N.

Take the first exit you can on I-405 North which is Irvine Center Drive. (It
is actually on the interchange between I-5 and  I-405)
Turn right at the light (Enterprise) and then look for roadsters on your
left.

>From the North

Take I-405 South to Irvine Center Drive
Turn left and go over the freeway
Turn right at the light (Enterprise) and keep going. Look for roadsters!


If you are closer to the Valley ant want to meet at the Woodlake bowl in
Woodland Hills, I figure to get there around 12:30 PM, give or take traffic.
Hopefully there will be a nice crowd of us heading up from San Diego/Orange
County.

Take I-5/I-405 to 101 N.

Exit Woodlake Blvd.
Turn right and thn right on Ventura Blvd. and look for roadsters!


These times make sense to me, but I am sure there is wiggle room either way
for those who want it.

Hope to see everyone there!

Andrew Murphy
1966 1600
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From davesmbox at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 10:41:18 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:41:18 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <1208795189.480cc0351ed4d@webmail.telus.net>
References: <1208795189.480cc0351ed4d@webmail.telus.net>
Message-ID: <8CA71E5A84CF36E-DA8-1A1D@WEBMAIL-DG10.sim.aol.com>

Guys,
This seller has 100% positive feedback. I buy and sell alot on ebay and protecting your score is important. YES there is ROT out there and a big problem with the feedback forum is that if you are screwed and leave negative than expect RETALIATORY negative. So some people won't bother to leave negative. This guy doesn't look like a crook though.
Just my thoughts

Dave M


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To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid



now he wants  money order only because he knows that ebay will do nothing about 
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From tputland at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 11:16:17 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:16:17 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <4580EDD4-0FBD-11DD-A453-000A27DC00A0@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20080421131617.BJ8TJ.7509.root@fepweb02>

No, he didn't refund my money. He claims he sent it-as I stated. But he didn't produce the insurance paper work for me that he said he had. 

I didn't leave negative feedback because, as mentioned by another lister--Dave I believe--I would have received retaliatory negative feedback. 

I have family in Northern CA, very close friends in San Francisco, and get home quite often. I will pay him a visit eventually, with the Sherrif in tow, and get my money back. NO worries.

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- "David R. Conrad" <konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com> wrote: 

=============
Tim:

I note the seller has 100% positive feedback with numerous 'glowing' 
comments.  Why is your negative experience not reflected?  I presume he 
refunded your money order payment, but why was it necessary for him to 
re-list it rather than ship it to you.  Curious...

Dave


On Monday, April 21, 2008, at 05:18 AM, Tim wrote:

> 6-inliner   is selling ebay item #230244001764 for the second time. I 
> won this item a while back and never received it. Because I paid with 
> a money order (seller does not take paypal) ebay would not do any 
> thing for me. Seller claimed he insured it and sent it but did not 
> produce insurance paper work as I requested.
>
> Tell your friends to avoid this guy and don't make the same mistake I 
> did.
>
> Tim
> Belleville, WI.
> '70 SPL AND SRL
> Still clueless but always learning

From jrdmf at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 11:40:17 2008
From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:40:17 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <4580EDD4-0FBD-11DD-A453-000A27DC00A0@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CA71EDE524B934-1178-CDD@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>

Let's face it.... The whole "Feedback" system is pretty lame at best. Sure, you can plunk the guy with negative feedback and then sit back and wait for?his retaliatory response? Then cross your fingers and hope that anybody who reads it in the future is capable of seperating fact from fiction. Don't know for a fact that this guy is a scammer but the one's who are scammers know how to play the system and use the threat of retaliatory feeback to keep the ethical users from reporting the truth. Until ebay comes up with a better?plan (which will only happen?once the current plan starts affecting their bottom line) the best thing we can do is?to use avenues such as this?forum?to keep each other informed?regarding?who the latest scammers are.?

Jon Frampton
Huntington Beach Ca
?


-----Original Message-----
From: David R. Conrad <konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com>
To: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid



Tim:

I note the seller has 100% positive feedback with numerous 'glowing' 
comments.  Why is your negative experience not reflected?  I presume he 
refunded your money order payment, but why was it necessary for him to 
re-list it rather than ship it to you.  Curious...

Dave


On Monday, April 21, 2008, at 05:18 AM, Tim wrote:

> 6-inliner   is selling ebay item #230244001764 for the second time. I 
> won this item a while back and never received it. Because I paid with 
> a money order (seller does not take paypal) ebay would not do any 
> thing for me. Seller claimed he insured it and sent it but did not 
> produce insurance paper work as I requested.
>
> Tell your friends to avoid this guy and don't make the same mistake I 
> did.
>
> Tim
> Belleville, WI.
> '70 SPL AND SRL
> Still clueless but always learning
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From zariwny100 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 21 12:08:57 2008
From: zariwny100 at comcast.net (Kerry and Kae Zariwny)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:08:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
References: <8CA71EDE524B934-1178-CDD@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c8a3db$09c3a080$6603a8c0@YOUR0E16268AB7>

Hi All
This is why I only bid on items that I can pay by paypal or credit card. 
Paying by Western Family Union or money order is the same as sending cash, 
you have no recourse if the transaction goes sour. There have been several 
times that Paypal has refunded my money because a seller has not performed 
as required. As a seller, I only accept Paypal so I always have proof that 
the buyer paid (or did not pay). Sure Paypal has fees but it is less than 
the amount I would be spending on aspirin to cover any headaches something 
like this causes
 :-)

Kerry Z
1968 1600
Portland, Oregon 

From zariwny100 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 21 12:32:06 2008
From: zariwny100 at comcast.net (Kerry and Kae Zariwny)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:32:06 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
References: <8CA71EDE524B934-1178-CDD@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>
	<001d01c8a3db$09c3a080$6603a8c0@YOUR0E16268AB7>
Message-ID: <002101c8a3de$02b82970$6603a8c0@YOUR0E16268AB7>

That is actually Western Union.

(Sorry about that. I getting hungry so my mind wanders towards food :-)

Kerry Z

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry and Kae Zariwny" <zariwny100 at comcast.net>
Cc: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid


> Hi All
> This is why I only bid on items that I can pay by paypal or credit card.
> Paying by Western Family Union or money order is the same as sending cash,
> you have no recourse if the transaction goes sour. There have been several
> times that Paypal has refunded my money because a seller has not performed
> as required. As a seller, I only accept Paypal so I always have proof that
> the buyer paid (or did not pay). Sure Paypal has fees but it is less than
> the amount I would be spending on aspirin to cover any headaches something
> like this causes
> :-)
>
> Kerry Z
> 1968 1600
> Portland, Oregon
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From tputland at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 12:59:22 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:59:22 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8a3db$09c3a080$6603a8c0@YOUR0E16268AB7>
Message-ID: <20080421145922.PL85H.12967.root@fepweb02>

Yep. Totally my bad. I missed that he doesn't take paypal. 

It won't happen again. That is for sure! 

Fool me once shame on me. Fool me twice I'll bloody kill you!! lol


Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Hi All
This is why I only bid on items that I can pay by paypal or credit card. 
Paying by Western Family Union or money order is the same as sending cash, 
you have no recourse if the transaction goes sour. There have been several 
times that Paypal has refunded my money because a seller has not performed 
as required. As a seller, I only accept Paypal so I always have proof that 
the buyer paid (or did not pay). Sure Paypal has fees but it is less than 
the amount I would be spending on aspirin to cover any headaches something 
like this causes
 :-)

Kerry Z
1968 1600
Portland, Oregon 
________________________________________

From davesmbox at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 13:39:10 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:39:10 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <20080421145922.PL85H.12967.root@fepweb02>
Message-ID: <8CA71FE813331BE-94C-A04@WEBMAIL-DG10.sim.aol.com>

Isn't the 61 prototype (actually a 67) that was driven by Elvis on the way to the UFO back on the market? Tim is right don't be fooled twice.
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
To: Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net>
Cc: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid



Yep. Totally my bad. I missed that he doesn't take paypal. 

It won't happen again. That is for sure! 

Fool me once shame on me. Fool me twice I'll bloody kill you!! lol


Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Hi All
This is why I only bid on items that I can pay by paypal or credit card. 
Paying by Western Family Union or money order is the same as sending cash, 
you have no recourse if the transaction goes sour. There have been several 
times that Paypal has refunded my money because a seller has not performed 
as required. As a seller, I only accept Paypal so I always have proof that 
the buyer paid (or did not pay). Sure Paypal has fees but it is less than 
the amount I would be spending on aspirin to cover any headaches something 
like this causes
 :-)

Kerry Z
1968 1600
Portland, Oregon 
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Mon Apr 21 13:41:02 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:41:02 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8a3db$09c3a080$6603a8c0@YOUR0E16268AB7>
References: <8CA71EDE524B934-1178-CDD@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>
	<001d01c8a3db$09c3a080$6603a8c0@YOUR0E16268AB7>
Message-ID: <8CA71FEC385ADAC-930-1EED@webmail-nc21.sysops.aol.com>

The problem with Oaypal is that if the buyer decides he doesn't like 
your item he/she can contact Paypal and they will reverse charges 
(chargeback) with no questions asked. So Paypal is good for buyers but 
can be a problem for sellers.
For sellers to take money orders is a risk because they can be fake, go 
thru and then you are liable anyway.

Linda


-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net>
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:08 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid

Hi All
This is why I only bid on items that I can pay by paypal or credit 
card.
Paying by Western Family Union or money order is the same as sending 
cash,
you have no recourse if the transaction goes sour. There have been 
several
times that Paypal has refunded my money because a seller has not 
performed
as required. As a seller, I only accept Paypal so I always have proof 
that
the buyer paid (or did not pay). Sure Paypal has fees but it is less 
than
the amount I would be spending on aspirin to cover any headaches 
something
like this causes
 :-)

Kerry Z
1968 1600
Portland, Oregon
________________________________________

From robbieharrison at comcast.net  Mon Apr 21 13:43:47 2008
From: robbieharrison at comcast.net (Robbie Harrison)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:43:47 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
References: <20080421145922.PL85H.12967.root@fepweb02>
Message-ID: <480CEE73.00000C.02876@ROBBIE-PC>

Tim,
If you still have the prior auction number (I assume it's on your photocopy
of the money order that you plan to show the sheriff), why not send a
question asking if it is the same harness you did not receive, and reference
the original auction. Ebay is stacked against buyer feedback - the one
negative I got was from a guy who sold a car I won to somebody local after
the end of the auction - but at least they have separated buyer and seller
feedback. I'm much more concerned about feedback on sellers who don't follow
through, since the buyer has to pony up before the seller.

Just my $.02

Robbie Harrison
68 2000
67 1600 for sale
69 2000 parts car sold this morning

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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 21 13:52:00 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:52:00 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] advertising non-roadsters on the list
Message-ID: <042120081952.8106.480CF0600000343800001FAA2205886442CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

...and there was a collective "We know!" followed by a heavy sigh from the spouses in the background....

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "chalsted" <chalsted at comcast.net>

[snip]

 I think there are lots of us on the list 
> that aren't just Datsun folks, we're CAR junkies :-) and boats, motorhomes, 
> airplanes...

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 21 14:00:17 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (ppeters914 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:00:17 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
Message-ID: <042120082000.23656.480CF251000BC3CA00005C682200750330CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

No, it was driven by Pete Brock. Elvis was driving the Porsche when James Dean was abducted by aliens.

Pete "yeah, Monday sucks"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: davesmbox at aol.com
> Isn't the 61 prototype (actually a 67) that was driven by Elvis on the way to 
> the UFO back on the market? Tim is right don't be fooled twice.
> Dave
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
> To: Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net>
> Cc: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 2:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
> 
> 
> 
> Yep. Totally my bad. I missed that he doesn't take paypal. 
> 
> It won't happen again. That is for sure! 
> 
> Fool me once shame on me. Fool me twice I'll bloody kill you!! lol
> 
> 
> Tim
> Belleville, WI.
> '70 SPL AND SRL
> Still clueless but always learning
> 
> ---- Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
> =============
> Hi All
> This is why I only bid on items that I can pay by paypal or credit card. 
> Paying by Western Family Union or money order is the same as sending cash, 
> you have no recourse if the transaction goes sour. There have been several 
> times that Paypal has refunded my money because a seller has not performed 
> as required. As a seller, I only accept Paypal so I always have proof that 
> the buyer paid (or did not pay). Sure Paypal has fees but it is less than 
> the amount I would be spending on aspirin to cover any headaches something 
> like this causes
>  :-)
> 
> Kerry Z
> 1968 1600
> Portland, Oregon 
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From tminerpcav at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 18:14:00 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:14:00 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <8CA71EDE524B934-1178-CDD@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CA7224E5A2EFE2-1794-4084@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com>

Oh Great, now this guy (Jon Frampton) who proclaims to be an expert at gauges, now is an Ebay expert.? INCREDIBLE!


---- Original Message ----
From: jrdmf at aol.com
To: konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com; tputland at charter.net
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:40 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid



Let's face it.... The whole "Feedback" system is pretty lame at best. Sure, you 
can plunk the guy with negative feedback and then sit back and wait for?his 
retaliatory response? Then cross your fingers and hope that anybody who reads it 
in the future is capable of seperating fact from fiction. Don't know for a fact 
that this guy is a scammer but the one's who are scammers know how to play the 
system and use the threat of retaliatory feeback to keep the ethical users from 
reporting the truth. Until ebay comes up with a better?plan (which will only 
happen?once the current plan starts affecting their bottom line) the best thing 
we can do is?to use avenues such as this?forum?to keep each other 
informed?regarding?who the latest scammers are.?

Jon Frampton
Huntington Beach Ca
?


-----Original Message-----
From: David R. Conrad <konadave1 at hawaii.rr.com>
To: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid



Tim:

I note the seller has 100% positive feedback with numerous 'glowing' 
comments.  Why is your negative experience not reflected?  I presume he 
refunded your money order payment, but why was it necessary for him to 
re-list it rather than ship it to you.  Curious...

Dave


On Monday, April 21, 2008, at 05:18 AM, Tim wrote:

> 6-inliner   is selling ebay item #230244001764 for the second time. I 
> won this item a while back and never received it. Because I paid with 
> a money order (seller does not take paypal) ebay would not do any 
> thing for me. Seller claimed he insured it and sent it but did not 
> produce insurance paper work as I requested.
>
> Tell your friends to avoid this guy and don't make the same mistake I 
> did.
>
> Tim
> Belleville, WI.
> '70 SPL AND SRL
> Still clueless but always learning
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From dato1500 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 21 23:06:27 2008
From: dato1500 at hotmail.com (Peter Jones)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:06:27 +0800
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <8CA71FE813331BE-94C-A04@WEBMAIL-DG10.sim.aol.com>
References: <20080421145922.PL85H.12967.root@fepweb02>
	<8CA71FE813331BE-94C-A04@WEBMAIL-DG10.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU141-W21CAE1252E654CFD449AE3D5E00@phx.gbl>

The best part about ebay Australia is that shortly you can only buy or sell if
you use paypal. The only thing that you don't need it list on is a whole car.
They are also looking at changing that you can not leave neg feedback unless
the resolution processed has been followed.

Peter j> To: tputland at charter.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:39:10 -0400>
From: davesmbox at aol.com> CC: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: Re:
[Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid> > Isn't the 61 prototype (actually a 67)
that was driven by Elvis on the way to the UFO back on the market? Tim is
right don't be fooled twice.> Dave> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Tim
<tputland at charter.net>> To: Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net>>
Cc: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>> Sent:
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 2:59 pm> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid> > > >
Yep. Totally my bad. I missed that he doesn't take paypal. > > It won't happen
again. That is for sure! > > Fool me once shame on me. Fool me twice I'll
bloody kill you!! lol> > > Tim> Belleville, WI.> '70 SPL AND SRL> Still
clueless but always learning> > ---- Kerry and Kae Zariwny
<zariwny100 at comcast.net> wrote: > > =============> Hi All> This is why I only
bid on items that I can pay by paypal or credit card. > Paying by Western
Family Union or money order is the same as sending cash, > you have no
recourse if the transaction goes sour. There have been several > times that
Paypal has refunded my money because a seller has not performed > as required.
As a seller, I only accept Paypal so I always have proof that > the buyer paid
(or did not pay). Sure Paypal has fees but it is less than > the amount I
would be spending on aspirin to cover any headaches something > like this
causes> :-)> > Kerry Z> 1968 1600> Portland, Oregon >
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From akarcioglu at telus.net  Tue Apr 22 00:14:50 2008
From: akarcioglu at telus.net (alp)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:14:50 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
Message-ID: <1208844890.480d825ae2112@webmail.telus.net>

sent an email to the seller asking him about past dealings with a member in the
Roadster club I belonged to.  Wanted to know how I could trust his auction when
there is some bad feedback about him.  Just wanted to stir the shit with the guy
and see how he would react.

Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT OUT PRIORITY MAIL
3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS & HE BUGED & BUG ABOUT
NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING WAS DAMAGED & I PACAGED
IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A MONTH TO RECIVE & MUCH DAMAGE
PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN SEND THEM
TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I EVEN PUT
$12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS BAD
LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED MONEY
THAT BAD THE ONLY REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO
MANY IM TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN FULL OF PARTS IM
TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD MANY
ROADSTER PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT
CONDTION NO CRAP"

His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!

From tputland at charter.net  Tue Apr 22 05:06:44 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 4:06:44 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <1208844890.480d825ae2112@webmail.telus.net>
Message-ID: <20080422070644.XJI3R.41290.root@fepweb02>

Wow. So now he is lying to you as well Alp. 

Thanks and sorry.

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- alp <akarcioglu at telus.net> wrote: 

=============
sent an email to the seller asking him about past dealings with a member in the
Roadster club I belonged to.  Wanted to know how I could trust his auction when
there is some bad feedback about him.  Just wanted to stir the shit with the guy
and see how he would react.

Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT OUT PRIORITY MAIL
3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS & HE BUGED & BUG ABOUT
NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING WAS DAMAGED & I PACAGED
IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A MONTH TO RECIVE & MUCH DAMAGE
PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN SEND THEM
TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I EVEN PUT
$12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS BAD
LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED MONEY
THAT BAD THE ONLY REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO
MANY IM TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN FULL OF PARTS IM
TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD MANY
ROADSTER PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT
CONDTION NO CRAP"

His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!

From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 05:35:33 2008
From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:35:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <20080422070644.XJI3R.41290.root@fepweb02>
Message-ID: <551157.68138.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

   I dunno. Hes seams lyke a berry gud kinda dude. Betcha hes got
   pleantya good kars lyke all cross his frunt yard.

   <grin>
   --- On Tue, 4/22/08, Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:

     From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
     Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
     To: "alp" <akarcioglu at telus.net>, "Datsun Roadster group"
     <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
     Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 7:06 AM
Wow. So now he is lying to you as well Alp.

Thanks and sorry.

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- alp <akarcioglu at telus.net> wrote:

=============
sent an email to the seller asking him about past dealings with a member in the
Roadster club I belonged to.  Wanted to know how I could trust his auction when
there is some bad feedback about him.  Just wanted to stir the shit with the
guy
and see how he would react.

Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT OUT
PRIORITY MAIL
3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS & HE BUGED &
BUG ABOUT
NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING WAS DAMAGED &
I PACAGED
IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A MONTH TO RECIVE & MUCH
DAMAGE
PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN SEND
THEM
TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I EVEN
PUT
$12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS BAD
LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED MONEY
THAT BAD THE ONLY REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO
MANY IM TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN FULL OF
PARTS IM
TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD MANY
ROADSTER PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT
CONDTION NO CRAP"

His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!
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From ntrlclr at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 22 05:35:48 2008
From: ntrlclr at earthlink.net (Pamela)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:35:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
Message-ID: <10302517.1208864148971.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Interesting. Shouting at full volume and doesn't seem to know how to utilize a spell check program.

Buyer Beware!

Off to work for me.

Pam Bauman
67 Roadster- still in pieces
Westminster, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
>Sent: Apr 22, 2008 4:06 AM
>To: alp <akarcioglu at telus.net>, Datsun Roadster group <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
>
>Wow. So now he is lying to you as well Alp. 
>
>Thanks and sorry.
>
>Tim
>Belleville, WI.
>'70 SPL AND SRL
>Still clueless but always learning
>
>---- alp <akarcioglu at telus.net> wrote: 
>
>=============
>sent an email to the seller asking him about past dealings with a member in the
>Roadster club I belonged to.  Wanted to know how I could trust his auction when
>there is some bad feedback about him.  Just wanted to stir the shit with the guy
>and see how he would react.
>
>Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT OUT PRIORITY MAIL
>3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS & HE BUGED & BUG ABOUT
>NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING WAS DAMAGED & I PACAGED
>IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A MONTH TO RECIVE & MUCH DAMAGE
>PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN SEND THEM
>TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I EVEN PUT
>$12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS BAD
>LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED MONEY
>THAT BAD THE ONLY REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO
>MANY IM TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN FULL OF PARTS IM
>TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD MANY
>ROADSTER PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT
>CONDTION NO CRAP"
>
>His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!
>________________________________________

From poontang188 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 22 05:54:13 2008
From: poontang188 at hotmail.com (Scott Sheeler)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:54:13 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <1208844890.480d825ae2112@webmail.telus.net>
References: <1208844890.480d825ae2112@webmail.telus.net>
Message-ID: <BAY139-W265417C7AA04C70B302A30FCE00@phx.gbl>

Try reading that sentence (paragraph) in one breath.  The "." must be broken
on his keyboard..............................Scott
Sheelerhttp://thedatsunroadsterbook.com/> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:14:50
-0700> From: akarcioglu at telus.net> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning> > sent an email to the seller
asking him about past dealings with a member in the> Roadster club I belonged
to. Wanted to know how I could trust his auction when> there is some bad
feedback about him. Just wanted to stir the shit with the guy> and see how he
would react.> > Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT
OUT PRIORITY MAIL> 3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS &
HE BUGED & BUG ABOUT> NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING
WAS DAMAGED & I PACAGED> IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A
MONTH TO RECIVE & MUCH DAMAGE> PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE
HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN SEND THEM> TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I
SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I EVEN PUT> $12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT
PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS BAD> LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM
ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED MONEY> THAT BAD THE ONLY
REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO> MANY IM TALKING
ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN FULL OF PARTS IM> TRYING TO
GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD MANY> ROADSTER
PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT> CONDTION NO
CRAP"> > His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!>
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From tputland at charter.net  Tue Apr 22 06:01:40 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 5:01:40 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <551157.68138.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080422080140.255A8.42919.root@fepweb02>

<I dunno. Hes seams lyke a berry gud kinda dude. Betcha hes got
   pleantya good kars lyke all cross his frunt yard.>


hahahahahaah....nice. Thanks for the laugh. Great way to start my day!

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- Jim Gammon <gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============

From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 06:20:19 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravan meeting in Woodland Hills
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804220520s19929d0em96efe833cb8964f6@mail.gmail.com>

Late last night I spoke to the San Diego group, On Friday they will be
stopping in Irvine to pick up those from Orange County to join in their
caravan and then stopping in Woodland Hills to pick those that wish to jump
in at that point.  They will be stopping at the Woodlake Bowl (Bowling
Alley) at 12:00-noon. No time for meet and greeting (do that in Solvang),
they pull in the parking lot and the caravan is gone.
I will be there with a few others at 11:00am if anyone wishes to join in
this caravan here is the link for directions to tha Bowling Alley:

http://yellowpages.aol.com/business/ca/agoura-hills/woodlake-bowl/0-100319275/

See you all there,
Chris
-- 
'66 1600
Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From tputland at charter.net  Tue Apr 22 06:27:14 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 5:27:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <1208844890.480d825ae2112@webmail.telus.net>
Message-ID: <20080422082714.KFU21.43990.root@fepweb02>

How does that saying go....?


                Me thinks thou doth protest too much!

Or something like that any way.



Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

From machworx at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 06:41:01 2008
From: machworx at gmail.com (Richard Schnoor)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:41:01 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <1208844890.480d825ae2112@webmail.telus.net>
References: <1208844890.480d825ae2112@webmail.telus.net>
Message-ID: <597504c80804220541p59a9299dtc42db1b983bbc9ac@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure I would trust anybody that makes so many spelling & grammar
errors. What is he in the 2nd grade?

On 4/22/08, alp <akarcioglu at telus.net> wrote:
>
> sent an email to the seller asking him about past dealings with a member
> in the
> Roadster club I belonged to.  Wanted to know how I could trust his auction
> when
> there is some bad feedback about him.  Just wanted to stir the shit with
> the guy
> and see how he would react.
>
> Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT OUT PRIORITY
> MAIL
> 3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS & HE BUGED & BUG
> ABOUT
> NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING WAS DAMAGED & I
> PACAGED
> IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A MONTH TO RECIVE & MUCH
> DAMAGE
> PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN
> SEND THEM
> TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I EVEN
> PUT
> $12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS
> BAD
> LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED
> MONEY
> THAT BAD THE ONLY REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE
> TO
> MANY IM TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN FULL OF
> PARTS IM
> TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD
> MANY
> ROADSTER PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT
> CONDTION NO CRAP"
>
> His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!
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From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 07:58:46 2008
From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:58:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <597504c80804220541p59a9299dtc42db1b983bbc9ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <415825.34159.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

   Youse ensulting my grammer? She be a gud womon, do I gotta beat sum
   cents inta youse?

   <grin, forgive me, back to lurking>

   Gee, my yahoo is free and has free spellcheck. What is with this guy?

   JimG
   --- On Tue, 4/22/08, Richard Schnoor <machworx at gmail.com> wrote:

     From: Richard Schnoor <machworx at gmail.com>
     Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
     To: "alp" <akarcioglu at telus.net>
     Cc: "Datsun Roadster group" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
     Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 8:41 AM
I'm not sure I would trust anybody that makes so many spelling & grammar
errors. What is he in the 2nd grade?

On 4/22/08, alp <akarcioglu at telus.net> wrote:
>
> sent an email to the seller asking him about past dealings with a member
> in the
> Roadster club I belonged to.  Wanted to know how I could trust his auction
> when
> there is some bad feedback about him.  Just wanted to stir the shit with
> the guy
> and see how he would react.
>
> Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT OUT
PRIORITY
> MAIL
> 3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS & HE BUGED
& BUG
> ABOUT
> NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING WAS DAMAGED
& I
> PACAGED
> IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A MONTH TO RECIVE &
MUCH
> DAMAGE
> PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN
> SEND THEM
> TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I
EVEN
> PUT
> $12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS
> BAD
> LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED
> MONEY
> THAT BAD THE ONLY REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE
> TO
> MANY IM TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN
FULL OF
> PARTS IM
> TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD
> MANY
> ROADSTER PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT
> CONDTION NO CRAP"
>
> His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!
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From jklingman at stny.rr.com  Tue Apr 22 09:13:04 2008
From: jklingman at stny.rr.com (John Klingman)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:13:04 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
Message-ID: <005101c8a48b$5d00ebd0$ba01a8c0@yourhryuc9xa71>

I sent him an email..2 queries: paypal, will he insure pkg. if I pay extra
shipping. No to both. Long explanation. Those are my terms for any purchase or
I pass.
  I don't want to start an argument. Tim, I know you came up on the short end
of the deal, but all the people who left positive feed back bought Datsun
roadster parts and some of the names look like list members. I am not saying
you are right or wrong or this guy is good or bad, I have never done business
with him. I think your fight is with the Post Office. I spent 11 weeks
tracking down a package that my neighbor had signed for and forgot to give me.
Anybody can sign your name and the Post Office considers that a done deal. Get
the priority mail numbers and track it yourself, it was signed for. Righteous
anger, properly directed can be a lot of fun.
  Gloria Klingman
  Sidney, NY '68 2000 a.k.a. Spike

From johnwightman at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 22 10:03:58 2008
From: johnwightman at shaw.ca (john wightman)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <597504c80804220541p59a9299dtc42db1b983bbc9ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1208844890.480d825ae2112@webmail.telus.net>
	<597504c80804220541p59a9299dtc42db1b983bbc9ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1210996B-8181-42F1-9C79-85E5E3494DAC@shaw.ca>

Yes, that's exactly how I feel about the president...

:-)

JW
On 22-Apr-08, at 5:41 AM, Richard Schnoor wrote:

> I'm not sure I would trust anybody that makes so many spelling &  
> grammar
> errors. What is he in the 2nd grade?

From akarcioglu at telus.net  Tue Apr 22 10:12:44 2008
From: akarcioglu at telus.net (alp)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:44 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
Message-ID: <1208880764.480e0e7c0b3a9@webmail.telus.net>

I am fighting now with UPS because they left twp sets of brand new Revolution
wheels on my back steps for some to grab!  It has been close to 3 months and
nothing yet.  Alp

From tpsmithstl at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 10:17:35 2008
From: tpsmithstl at yahoo.com (Perry Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
Message-ID: <209641.60961.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

For those of us who voted for him... well, er - you're right!  Let's all
just patiently count down the days and wait for the next buffoon to take
charge.
Roadster content: Can't get the valve springs compressed since last
year (lazy) when I slipped the timing chain and bent the four intake valves! 
I have a new set of gears, chains, etc. but need some courage to put them back
tegother before the REAL Spring comes to the midwest and I can't get the top
down on my Mazda 6 without a sawzall!
Perry Smith
'69 2000

----- Original
Message ----
From: john wightman <johnwightman at shaw.ca>
To: Richard Schnoor
<machworx at gmail.com>
Cc: Datsun Roadster group
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:03:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning

Yes, that's exactly how I feel
about the president...

:-)

JW
On 22-Apr-08, at 5:41 AM, Richard Schnoor
wrote:

> I'm not sure I would trust anybody that makes so many spelling &  
>
grammar
> errors. What is he in the 2nd grade?
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From davesmbox at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 10:26:47 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:26:47 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
Message-ID: <8CA72ACCBA46E09-490-13BF@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com>

OK KNOW THAT WE HAVE COMPLETELY TRASHED THE EBAY SYSTEM.

I need some painting thoughts.

My 1600 is tired (PAINT) got the rust bubbles in a bunch of spots. I am rebuilding 2 other cars a Saab Sonett and still trying to build a new 70 Solex 2000.
Heres the catch. Broke my leg. Not working . Lots of time. (Broke it pretty good too) 
I want the 1600 to look good but between the Sonett and 2000 (and being out of work) don't want to pour money into it. Paint to match just to touch up is $100.With me buying the paint and spraying it myself.Painted my TR4A won't shoot a whole car again.
If I pull the trim and bumpers,tow the car. Sand and fix the rust. Sand 400 grit to dewax.HOW BAD IS THE $500 MAACO paint job. I won't let them prep it,that's the money. Is it that bad for a few years?

I'll redo when the other projects are done.
Just some thoughts?

Thanks,
Dave

From tputland at charter.net  Tue Apr 22 10:34:39 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 9:34:39 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
In-Reply-To: <005101c8a48b$5d00ebd0$ba01a8c0@yourhryuc9xa71>
Message-ID: <20080422123439.B9U5K.5562.root@fepweb02>

Ah yes. Great thinking.

However, there was no tracking number given by the seller and no signature required on the package. I talked to the post office--I live in a town of 2000 people. Earnie, my post man, did not deliver a box that size, weight, and from California.

But thanks for the suggestions!!

Tim


---- John Klingman <jklingman at stny.rr.com> wrote: 

=============
I sent him an email..2 queries: paypal, will he insure pkg. if I pay extra
shipping. No to both. Long explanation. Those are my terms for any purchase or
I pass.
  I don't want to start an argument. Tim, I know you came up on the short end
of the deal, but all the people who left positive feed back bought Datsun
roadster parts and some of the names look like list members. I am not saying
you are right or wrong or this guy is good or bad, I have never done business
with him. I think your fight is with the Post Office. I spent 11 weeks
tracking down a package that my neighbor had signed for and forgot to give me.
Anybody can sign your name and the Post Office considers that a done deal. Get
the priority mail numbers and track it yourself, it was signed for. Righteous
anger, properly directed can be a lot of fun.
  Gloria Klingman
  Sidney, NY '68 2000 a.k.a. Spike
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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 10:39:08 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:39:08 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
Message-ID: <bcd.2714d070.353f6eac@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/22/2008 9:27:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
davesmbox at aol.com writes:

HOW BAD  IS THE $500 MAACO paint job. I won't let them prep it,that's the 
money. Is it  that bad for a few years?



If you do the prep work it's not too bad. That's what a friend and I did to  
his 66. Removed all the chrome, lights, windshield, did the body work, did 
most  of the masking, loaded it onto the trailer and hauled it down. We used 
One-Day  Paint and Body. They all shoot pretty much the same paint and are fairly 
good at  it. After the paint cures you can wet sand it to get the orange peel 
out and it  will look really nice. It won't last as long as top of the line 
paint but it  should be good for a number of years with some care.
 
keith



**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car 
listings at AOL Autos.      
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

From steve at olsonarchitect.com  Tue Apr 22 10:51:54 2008
From: steve at olsonarchitect.com (Stephen Wan)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:51:54 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Fw:  OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
Message-ID: <091e01c8a499$2bb2aa60$7200a8c0@Stephen>

FYI don't know about MAACO, but 1day P&B will not warranty the paint if you
do your own prep work.
 The mission viejo shop did do a pretty go job though.

 Steve
 70' 1600 garage queen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Keith0alan at aol.com>
> To: <Davesmbox at aol.com>; <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/22/2008 9:27:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> davesmbox at aol.com writes:
>>
>> HOW BAD  IS THE $500 MAACO paint job. I won't let them prep it,that's the
>> money. Is it  that bad for a few years?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you do the prep work it's not too bad. That's what a friend and I did 
>> to
>> his 66. Removed all the chrome, lights, windshield, did the body work, 
>> did
>> most  of the masking, loaded it onto the trailer and hauled it down. We 
>> used
>> One-Day  Paint and Body. They all shoot pretty much the same paint and 
>> are fairly
>> good at  it. After the paint cures you can wet sand it to get the orange 
>> peel
>> out and it  will look really nice. It won't last as long as top of the 
>> line
>> paint but it  should be good for a number of years with some care.
>>
>> keith

From jklingman at stny.rr.com  Tue Apr 22 10:52:56 2008
From: jklingman at stny.rr.com (John Klingman)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:52:56 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Datsuns-July4th-Bristol VT
Message-ID: <000c01c8a499$50d950f0$ba01a8c0@yourhryuc9xa71>

Surprise!! There will be a Datsun gathering July 3,4,5 in Bristol VT.
Wonderful area, flat roads and vertical roads, go where your brakes dare. Last
Oct we traveled a couple roads that looked the Yankee cousins to the Tail of
the Dragon. White Knuckle. Super drives along Lake Champlain on the level.
Roadster heaven. All this and a Norman Rockwell New England 4th of July parade
and celebration.
The weekend will center around the Dream House country inn-owned by George
Landis and wife Susan Small. We got together last fall and exchanged ideas for
a gathering and Susan worked up a great agenda.
If you are interested email Susan at innkeeper at dreamhousecountryinn.com and
she will send you the information.
  Gloria and John Klingman
  Sidney, NY '68 2000 a.k.a. Spike

From egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us  Tue Apr 22 11:14:04 2008
From: egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us (Eric Gillis)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] painting thoughts
References: <bcd.2714d070.353f6eac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <65AA4A74232FF24E9BEC8D1163859B1804452379@cusdmx01.cusd.ceres.k12.ca.us>

I don't know about MAACO (other than Pete Rose used to be a spokesperson) but
I have used Earl Schieb (same diff, ain't it?) and had wonderful results with
my own prep work.  I didn't tape off, instead had them do that, and they were
even able to mask the celica outlined lettering on the rear deck of the car I
had painted.  The result was great given it only cost $400 (2003 prices) and
that included jambs and underhood.

I am not sure how a company would be able to tell if you did your own prep
work...  If you worked on the body of the car and brought it to them not
saying anything (lie of omission, I acknowledge)  how is the painting company
supposed to know who or when the car was 'prepped?"  Perhaps the car was
purchased that way and the new owner just wanted to finish the job and did
nothing of the prep work themselves.  Most of the painters in these operations
are very good, but are limited by time and the company's bottom line, so the
limiting factor is prep work, many companies welcome this, however I do
understand when some groups won't warantee work not performed by the company.

Suggestion:  Bring in at least 2 $20 bills, one for the painter, and one for
the prep person.  Maybe a Starbucks or a box of doughnuts when you drop the
car off.  Tips to personnel and schwag do count for something these days when
most are trying to save a buck at any costs, pun intended.  It never hurts to
grease the palms a bit for a job well done.

You will be happy with a fresh paint job, even if it 'goes away' in 5 years or
so...  Think of what it may look like without the paintjob in 5 years...

Solvang awaits!

Eric G

From steve at olsonarchitect.com  Tue Apr 22 11:16:28 2008
From: steve at olsonarchitect.com (Stephen Wan)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:28 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
References: <091e01c8a499$2bb2aa60$7200a8c0@Stephen>
	<009b01c8a49a$07276400$15762c00$@com>
Message-ID: <000c01c8a49c$9a79b4e0$7200a8c0@Stephen>

Unfortunately no.
My roadster has been sitting in the garage since the mini-iron bottom last 
year.
I got a spare tranny to fix the "stuck in 4th problem".  But I haven't made 
time to actually borrow a cherry picker, clear out room in the garage and 
make the swap. Between my 16 month old and my newfound interest in mountain 
biking, the roadster has been sitting collecting dust.  Those brand new 
falken azenis tires only have 200 miles on them!
I need to:
1) clean up my workspace.
2) disconnect the hoses and wiring from the engine/tranny
3) borrow a cherry picker and make the swap over a weekend.
4) reconnect everything.
unfortunately #1 is the hardest part.

Steve
70' 1600 not getting any sun.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Hankinson" <eric at railpros.com>
To: "'Stephen Wan'" <steve at olsonarchitect.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts


> Did you paint yours?!  Photos?

From bstjacques at atrua.com  Tue Apr 22 11:37:03 2008
From: bstjacques at atrua.com (Brian St. Jacques)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:37:03 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Fw:  OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
In-Reply-To: <091e01c8a499$2bb2aa60$7200a8c0@Stephen>
Message-ID: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8983@exch01.icontrolinc.com>

You can get Maaco do just about whatever you are willing to pay for. The
better you want the car, the more expensive it is going to be. Assuming
you do not have major body work to take care of, they have everything
pretty much wrapped up in to packages - like what paint you want, trim
removal, different levels of prep and masking, color sanding & buffing.
I had a BMW painted there and we basically went for the whole enchilada,
the best of everything they had to offer. The car also required a couple
of ding repairs, and the paint on the hood, roof and trunk had to be
stripped to the metal. Ended up with a very nice, smooth  black paint
job (not concourse or anything) for around $4K. A quote from a "real"
body shop was in the $6-7K range. I think I would have ended up with
about the same quality of appearance, time will tell how well it will
hold up.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stephen Wan
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:52 AM
To: Autox (E-mail)
Subject: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts

FYI don't know about MAACO, but 1day P&B will not warranty the paint if
you do your own prep work.
 The mission viejo shop did do a pretty go job though.

 Steve
 70' 1600 garage queen

From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 12:07:44 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:07:44 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
In-Reply-To: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8983@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
References: <091e01c8a499$2bb2aa60$7200a8c0@Stephen>
	<9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8983@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804221107v245aaec6ia01203d1d5a0276f@mail.gmail.com>

The thing that bugs me about Maaco and One-Day Paint & Body is that you have
to use their paint/colors.  If you want the original color on a car and they
do not have it, they will not do the job if you supply the paint.  i tried
to get them to do it and it was a big NO WAY!




On 4/22/08, Brian St. Jacques <bstjacques at atrua.com> wrote:
>
> You can get Maaco do just about whatever you are willing to pay for. The
> better you want the car, the more expensive it is going to be. Assuming
> you do not have major body work to take care of, they have everything
> pretty much wrapped up in to packages - like what paint you want, trim
> removal, different levels of prep and masking, color sanding & buffing.
> I had a BMW painted there and we basically went for the whole enchilada,
> the best of everything they had to offer. The car also required a couple
> of ding repairs, and the paint on the hood, roof and trunk had to be
> stripped to the metal. Ended up with a very nice, smooth  black paint
> job (not concourse or anything) for around $4K. A quote from a "real"
> body shop was in the $6-7K range. I think I would have ended up with
> about the same quality of appearance, time will tell how well it will
> hold up.
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques<datsun-roadsters-bounces%2Bbstjacques>
> =atrua.com at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Stephen Wan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:52 AM
> To: Autox (E-mail)
> Subject: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
>
> FYI don't know about MAACO, but 1day P&B will not warranty the paint if
> you do your own prep work.
> The mission viejo shop did do a pretty go job though.
>
> Steve
> 70' 1600 garage queen
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Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From tom at datsun2000.com  Tue Apr 22 12:27:14 2008
From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:27:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] painting thoughts
In-Reply-To: <65AA4A74232FF24E9BEC8D1163859B1804452379@cusdmx01.cusd.ceres.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <MBEHKLBNELGFFJEJICKGKELDDEAA.tom@datsun2000.com>

I am probably going to use Earl Shieb in Gresham, Oregon.  The last time I
was in there the manager was surprised to find herself there after 25 years
of painting custom show cars.  She will mix paint from their standard paint
colors to my specs and give me the paint not used for touchup purposes.  And
if I do most of the ding prep work and remove most of the unnecessary items
she will paint my car for much less than most other options.  If I want
special work the cost will be less too.

The suggestion of a 20 for each painter and maybe a few calories in the form
of donuts is a good one.  As a towncar driver I can tell you I know where
those 20's, 50's, and even 100's come from now and then.  They collect in
the back of my wallet to pay for my trips to Shasta, and most of the parts
Mr. Hyde needs for day to day upkeep.

Tom
69 2000 - Mr. Hyde
Portland
http://www.datsun2000.com
http://www.nowroc.org

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Eric Gillis
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:14 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] painting thoughts


I don't know about MAACO (other than Pete Rose used to be a spokesperson)
but
I have used Earl Schieb (same diff, ain't it?) and had wonderful results
with
my own prep work.  I didn't tape off, instead had them do that, and they
were
even able to mask the celica outlined lettering on the rear deck of the car
I
had painted.  The result was great given it only cost $400 (2003 prices) and
that included jambs and underhood.

I am not sure how a company would be able to tell if you did your own prep
work...  If you worked on the body of the car and brought it to them not
saying anything (lie of omission, I acknowledge)  how is the painting
company
supposed to know who or when the car was 'prepped?"  Perhaps the car was
purchased that way and the new owner just wanted to finish the job and did
nothing of the prep work themselves.  Most of the painters in these
operations
are very good, but are limited by time and the company's bottom line, so the
limiting factor is prep work, many companies welcome this, however I do
understand when some groups won't warantee work not performed by the
company.

Suggestion:  Bring in at least 2 $20 bills, one for the painter, and one for
the prep person.  Maybe a Starbucks or a box of doughnuts when you drop the
car off.  Tips to personnel and schwag do count for something these days
when
most are trying to save a buck at any costs, pun intended.  It never hurts
to
grease the palms a bit for a job well done.

You will be happy with a fresh paint job, even if it 'goes away' in 5 years
or
so...  Think of what it may look like without the paintjob in 5 years...

Solvang awaits!

Eric G
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From steve at olsonarchitect.com  Tue Apr 22 12:23:34 2008
From: steve at olsonarchitect.com (Stephen Wan)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:23:34 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
References: <091e01c8a499$2bb2aa60$7200a8c0@Stephen>
	<9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8983@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
	<b0b0059f0804221107v245aaec6ia01203d1d5a0276f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006301c8a4a5$f9c92fd0$7200a8c0@Stephen>

I provided 1 day paint with a manufacturer color code and they mixed that
color.
It was somewhat close, but it would definitely stand out against the original.
It still looks good since I was changing color anyway.
Good luck finding touch up paint to match though.

Steve
70' 1600

----- Original Message -----
  From: Chris & Christy Breyer
  To: Brian St. Jacques
  Cc: Stephen Wan ; Autox (E-mail)
  Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts


  The thing that bugs me about Maaco and One-Day Paint & Body is that you have
to use their paint/colors.  If you want the original color on a car and they
do not have it, they will not do the job if you supply the paint.  i tried to
get them to do it and it was a big NO WAY!

From bstjacques at atrua.com  Tue Apr 22 12:57:18 2008
From: bstjacques at atrua.com (Brian St. Jacques)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
In-Reply-To: <b0b0059f0804221107v245aaec6ia01203d1d5a0276f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8987@exch01.icontrolinc.com>

The route I went took a couple weeks. There is no way all of that work
could be done in 1 day. In may case (for the most part) "black is black"
so I was not worried about color matching.

Brian

________________________________

From: Chris & Christy Breyer [mailto:fairlady66 at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:08 AM
To: Brian St. Jacques
Cc: Stephen Wan; Autox (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts


The thing that bugs me about Maaco and One-Day Paint & Body is that you
have to use their paint/colors.  If you want the original color on a car
and they do not have it, they will not do the job if you supply the
paint.  i tried to get them to do it and it was a big NO WAY!




On 4/22/08, Brian St. Jacques <bstjacques at atrua.com> wrote:

	You can get Maaco do just about whatever you are willing to pay
for. The
	better you want the car, the more expensive it is going to be.
Assuming
	you do not have major body work to take care of, they have
everything
	pretty much wrapped up in to packages - like what paint you
want, trim
	removal, different levels of prep and masking, color sanding &
buffing.
	I had a BMW painted there and we basically went for the whole
enchilada,
	the best of everything they had to offer. The car also required
a couple
	of ding repairs, and the paint on the hood, roof and trunk had
to be
	stripped to the metal. Ended up with a very nice, smooth  black
paint
	job (not concourse or anything) for around $4K. A quote from a
"real"
	body shop was in the $6-7K range. I think I would have ended up
with
	about the same quality of appearance, time will tell how well it
will
	hold up.

	Brian

	-----Original Message-----
	From:
datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques=atrua.com at autox.team.net
	[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+bstjacques
<mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces%2Bbstjacques>
=atrua.com at autox.team.net] On
	Behalf Of Stephen Wan
	Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:52 AM
	To: Autox (E-mail)
	Subject: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts

	FYI don't know about MAACO, but 1day P&B will not warranty the
paint if
	you do your own prep work.
	The mission viejo shop did do a pretty go job though.

	Steve
	70' 1600 garage queen
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Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 13:35:13 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:35:13 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
Message-ID: <042220081935.10761.480E3DF1000AE37E00002A092205889116CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Yeah, but what's even scarier is that he probably votes, too.

Pete "insert flammable opinionated political comment here"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Richard Schnoor" <machworx at gmail.com>
> I'm not sure I would trust anybody that makes so many spelling & grammar
> errors. What is he in the 2nd grade?
> 
> On 4/22/08, alp <akarcioglu at telus.net> wrote:
> >
> > sent an email to the seller asking him about past dealings with a member
> > in the
> > Roadster club I belonged to.  Wanted to know how I could trust his auction
> > when
> > there is some bad feedback about him.  Just wanted to stir the shit with
> > the guy
> > and see how he would react.
> >
> > Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT OUT PRIORITY
> > MAIL
> > 3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS & HE BUGED & BUG
> > ABOUT
> > NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING WAS DAMAGED & I
> > PACAGED
> > IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A MONTH TO RECIVE & MUCH
> > DAMAGE
> > PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN
> > SEND THEM
> > TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I EVEN
> > PUT
> > $12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS
> > BAD
> > LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED
> > MONEY
> > THAT BAD THE ONLY REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE
> > TO
> > MANY IM TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN FULL OF
> > PARTS IM
> > TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD
> > MANY
> > ROADSTER PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT
> > CONDTION NO CRAP"
> >
> > His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!
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From jrdmf at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 14:13:51 2008
From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:13:51 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
In-Reply-To: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8987@exch01.icontrolinc.com>
Message-ID: <8CA72CC83F355B8-1328-9CE@webmail-nf13.sim.aol.com>

You would actually be surprised at how many different?shades of black there are so make sure you get the paint code or at least some touch up paint for that very unfortunate?rainy day.

Jon Frampton 
Huntington Beach Ca


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian St. Jacques <bstjacques at atrua.com>
To: Chris & Christy Breyer <fairlady66 at gmail.com>
Cc: Autox (E-mail) <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:57 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fw: OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts



The route I went took a couple weeks. There is no way all of that work
could be done in 1 day. In may case (for the most part) "black is black"
so I was not worried about color matching.

Brian

________________________________

From d-solomon at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 16:29:49 2008
From: d-solomon at comcast.net (d-solomon at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:29:49 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
Message-ID: <042220082229.24911.480E66DD0000BCD30000614F22007614380201030104019CD30B@comcast.net>

i'm a pretty "died-in-the-wool" conservative, and a staunch supporter of most of the Republican party agenda.... 
but I have to agree.  Not saying ANYTHING about his politics, as I don't intend to mix that with my roadster love... but I have been very dissapointed in how "unrefined", or "un-statesman-like" the president that I voted for is....

:-(

so imagine my distress at now looking at casting a vote for McCain.  Maybe I'll go fishing instead of voting this time.

Dan


-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: john wightman <johnwightman at shaw.ca> 

> Yes, that's exactly how I feel about the president... 
> 
> :-) 
> 
> JW 
> On 22-Apr-08, at 5:41 AM, Richard Schnoor wrote: 
> 
> > I'm not sure I would trust anybody that makes so many spelling & 
> > grammar 
> > errors. What is he in the 2nd grade? 
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From bubwin at mts.net  Tue Apr 22 16:54:11 2008
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:54:11 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] painting thoughts
In-Reply-To: <65AA4A74232FF24E9BEC8D1163859B1804452379@cusdmx01.cusd.ceres.k12.ca.us>
References: <bcd.2714d070.353f6eac@aol.com>
	<65AA4A74232FF24E9BEC8D1163859B1804452379@cusdmx01.cusd.ceres.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <6E78BED6A2F548C7A39B750E03558DAD@ownerPC>

Has anyone ever taken a car to the local High School shop class, or trade 
school for paint?

My old neighbor had his IROC Camaro painted Viper blue several years ago by 
the local High School (only seniors painted), and while it took 2-3 months, 
it turned out as good as any shop paint job, incredible!  The months he 
didn't have it, was during winter anyways (storage time) so he got to park 
his winter beater in the garage during the worst winter months.  He also had 
taken out the interior first, and had everything re-upholstered at the same 
time.

Total cost for Base/Clear paint job was $100 over the school price for the 
paint,  (about 70% of list price) and had to take the 2 student painters for 
a Slurpee and a cruise!

Remember these are the painters of the future, and they need to 
learn/practice.

Bob Winslade
1966-1600 Missy
1967-1600 Bender




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Gillis" <egillis at ceres.k12.ca.us>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] painting thoughts


>I don't know about MAACO (other than Pete Rose used to be a spokesperson) 
>but
> I have used Earl Schieb (same diff, ain't it?) and had wonderful results 
> with
> my own prep work.  I didn't tape off, instead had them do that, and they 
> were
> even able to mask the celica outlined lettering on the rear deck of the 
> car I
> had painted.  The result was great given it only cost $400 (2003 prices) 
> and
> that included jambs and underhood.
>
> I am not sure how a company would be able to tell if you did your own prep
> work...  If you worked on the body of the car and brought it to them not
> saying anything (lie of omission, I acknowledge)  how is the painting 
> company
> supposed to know who or when the car was 'prepped?"  Perhaps the car was
> purchased that way and the new owner just wanted to finish the job and did
> nothing of the prep work themselves.  Most of the painters in these 
> operations
> are very good, but are limited by time and the company's bottom line, so 
> the
> limiting factor is prep work, many companies welcome this, however I do
> understand when some groups won't warantee work not performed by the 
> company.
>
> Suggestion:  Bring in at least 2 $20 bills, one for the painter, and one 
> for
> the prep person.  Maybe a Starbucks or a box of doughnuts when you drop 
> the
> car off.  Tips to personnel and schwag do count for something these days 
> when
> most are trying to save a buck at any costs, pun intended.  It never hurts 
> to
> grease the palms a bit for a job well done.
>
> You will be happy with a fresh paint job, even if it 'goes away' in 5 
> years or
> so...  Think of what it may look like without the paintjob in 5 years...
>
> Solvang awaits!
>
> Eric G
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From aultgc at att.net  Tue Apr 22 19:15:09 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:15:09 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
References: <8CA71FE813331BE-94C-A04@WEBMAIL-DG10.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002901c8a4df$7997e880$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Actually a '67-1/2. Sold for something north of $7,000.  Probably worth 
that, but the paint job was clearly second-rate.  (Overspray on everything.) 
And those pimp whitewalls -- never saw those on a real 311.  Hope the buyer 
knows what he/she bought.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <davesmbox at aol.com>
To: <tputland at charter.net>
Cc: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid


> Isn't the 61 prototype (actually a 67) that was driven by Elvis on the way 
> to the UFO back on the market? Tim is right don't be fooled twice.
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
> To: Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net>
> Cc: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 2:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay seller to avoid
>
>
>
> Yep. Totally my bad. I missed that he doesn't take paypal.
>
> It won't happen again. That is for sure!
>
> Fool me once shame on me. Fool me twice I'll bloody kill you!! lol
>
>
> Tim
> Belleville, WI.
> '70 SPL AND SRL
> Still clueless but always learning
>
> ---- Kerry and Kae Zariwny <zariwny100 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> Hi All
> This is why I only bid on items that I can pay by paypal or credit card.
> Paying by Western Family Union or money order is the same as sending cash,
> you have no recourse if the transaction goes sour. There have been several
> times that Paypal has refunded my money because a seller has not performed
> as required. As a seller, I only accept Paypal so I always have proof that
> the buyer paid (or did not pay). Sure Paypal has fees but it is less than
> the amount I would be spending on aspirin to cover any headaches something
> like this causes
> :-)
>
> Kerry Z
> 1968 1600
> Portland, Oregon
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From aultgc at att.net  Tue Apr 22 19:21:23 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:21:23 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
References: <551157.68138.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c8a4e0$58542c00$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

Is that "6inliner" we're talking about?  Not a real literate guy, is he? 
Offshore, maybe?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Gammon" <gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com>
To: "Datsun roadster" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning


>   I dunno. Hes seams lyke a berry gud kinda dude. Betcha hes got
>   pleantya good kars lyke all cross his frunt yard.
>
>   <grin>
>   --- On Tue, 4/22/08, Tim <tputland at charter.net> wrote:
>
>     From: Tim <tputland at charter.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
>     To: "alp" <akarcioglu at telus.net>, "Datsun Roadster group"
>     <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>     Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 7:06 AM
> Wow. So now he is lying to you as well Alp.
>
> Thanks and sorry.
>
> Tim
> Belleville, WI.
> '70 SPL AND SRL
> Still clueless but always learning
>
> ---- alp <akarcioglu at telus.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> sent an email to the seller asking him about past dealings with a member 
> in the
> Roadster club I belonged to.  Wanted to know how I could trust his auction 
> when
> there is some bad feedback about him.  Just wanted to stir the shit with 
> the
> guy
> and see how he would react.
>
> Quote "I SENT HIM HIS DAM HARNESS HE'S A DAM LIRE IT WAS SENT OUT
> PRIORITY MAIL
> 3 TO 5 DAYS I ALSO SOLD HIM A BOX FULL OF ROADSTER PARTS & HE BUGED &
> BUG ABOUT
> NOT GETTING IT THEN HE SAID HE GOT IT & THAT EVERY THING WAS DAMAGED &
> I PACAGED
> IT GOOD THEN HE LEFT BAD FEED BACK THAT IT TOOK A MONTH TO RECIVE & MUCH
> DAMAGE
> PACAGES DONT TAKE A MONTH I HAVE PIC'S OF THE HARNESS I SOLD HIM I CAN 
> SEND
> THEM
> TO YOU TO PROVE IT & THE RECIPT THAT I SENT IT TO HIM PRIORITY MAIL I EVEN
> PUT
> $12.00 OF MY MONEY TO HAVE IT PRIORITY MAIL I DONT STEAL FROM NO ONE THATS 
> BAD
> LUCK I HAVE SO MANY DAM ROADSTER PARTS I DONT NEED TO STEAL I DONT NEED 
> MONEY
> THAT BAD THE ONLY REASON IM SELLING THESE PARTS ON EBAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE 
> TO
> MANY IM TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY 3 CARS TRUNKS & A VAN FULL OF
> PARTS IM
> TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PARTS NOT KEEP THEM I DONT STEAL I HAVE SOLD 
> MANY
> ROADSTER PARTS LOOK AT FEED BACK ABOUT 70 WERE ALL PARTS I SOLD IN GREAT
> CONDTION NO CRAP"
>
> His heart rate jumped a few beats no doubt!
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From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 19:27:26 2008
From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <042220082229.24911.480E66DD0000BCD30000614F22007614380201030104019CD30B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <129965.44691.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

   I respect the site, so I will not wax political except to say that
   neither McCain nor Bush are conservatives.

   Conservative means wanting to spend efficiently, have less government
   interference and allow freedom as much as possible. The government is
   there to protect us from threats, not to control our lives or threaten
   our privacy.

   Too many people believe the media crap about how conservatives are
   into government controls, complete crap. The founding fathers were
   conservatives.

   I personally feel I am middle of the road, I think we need the
   government to help those who need help, without creating dependency.

   But...

   Jim
   --- On Tue, 4/22/08, d-solomon at comcast.net <d-solomon at comcast.net>
   wrote:

     From: d-solomon at comcast.net <d-solomon at comcast.net>
     Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
     To: "john wightman" <johnwightman at shaw.ca>, "Richard Schnoor"
     <machworx at gmail.com>
     Cc: "Datsun Roadster group" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
     Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 6:29 PM
i'm a pretty "died-in-the-wool" conservative, and a staunch
supporter of most of the Republican party agenda....
but I have to agree.  Not saying ANYTHING about his politics, as I don't
intend to mix that with my roadster love... but I have been very dissapointed
in how "unrefined", or "un-statesman-like" the president
that I voted for is....

:-(

so imagine my distress at now looking at casting a vote for McCain.  Maybe
I'll go fishing instead of voting this time.

Dan

-------------- Original message --------------
From: john wightman <johnwightman at shaw.ca>

> Yes, that's exactly how I feel about the president...
>
> :-)
>
> JW
> On 22-Apr-08, at 5:41 AM, Richard Schnoor wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure I would trust anybody that makes so many spelling
&
> > grammar
> > errors. What is he in the 2nd grade?
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 19:31:05 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:31:05 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
In-Reply-To: <8CA72ACCBA46E09-490-13BF@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000101c8a4e1$b4804080$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

For the perfect $500.00 paint job, I always went on the theory of wait
for the $299.00 Ambassador special.  Give the manager $100.00 up front.
Tell him to take his time and make it nice.
Promise another $100.00 when you pick it up if it's a great job.
Prep yourself, remove the glass etc.
Hope for low humidity.

I saw a great review on DupliColor's PaintShop series, sprays like
lacquer, $25.00 a qt at Pepboys.  Was on Gearz on Speedvision, might be
online.  Probably what I will use.


Dave Brisco
ECR

-----Original Message-----
From: davesmbox at aol.com [mailto:davesmbox at aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:27 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts

OK KNOW THAT WE HAVE COMPLETELY TRASHED THE EBAY SYSTEM.

I need some painting thoughts.

My 1600 is tired (PAINT) got the rust bubbles in a bunch of spots. I am
rebuilding 2 other cars a Saab Sonett and still trying to build a new 70
Solex 2000.
Heres the catch. Broke my leg. Not working . Lots of time. (Broke it
pretty good too) 
I want the 1600 to look good but between the Sonett and 2000 (and being
out of work) don't want to pour money into it. Paint to match just to
touch up is $100.With me buying the paint and spraying it myself.Painted
my TR4A won't shoot a whole car again.
If I pull the trim and bumpers,tow the car. Sand and fix the rust. Sand
400 grit to dewax.HOW BAD IS THE $500 MAACO paint job. I won't let them
prep it,that's the money. Is it that bad for a few years?

I'll redo when the other projects are done.
Just some thoughts?

Thanks,
Dave

From d-solomon at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 19:44:23 2008
From: d-solomon at comcast.net (Daniel Solomon)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:44:23 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <129965.44691.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <129965.44691.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480E9477.3020908@comcast.net>

?? serious?  you won't "wax political"... and then you do?  is that an 
effort to get the first, and the last word in, in the same post?  ;-)

Jim Gammon wrote:
>    I respect the site, so I will not wax political except to say that
>    neither McCain nor Bush are conservatives.
>
>    Conservative means wanting to spend efficiently, have less government
>    interference and allow freedom as much as possible. The government is
>    there to protect us from threats, not to control our lives or threaten
>    our privacy.
>
>    Too many people believe the media crap about how conservatives are
>    into government controls, complete crap. The founding fathers were
>    conservatives.
>
>    I personally feel I am middle of the road, I think we need the
>    government to help those who need help, without creating dependency.
>
>    But...
>
>    Jim
>    --- On Tue, 4/22/08, d-solomon at comcast.net <d-solomon at comcast.net>
>    wrote:
>
>      From: d-solomon at comcast.net <d-solomon at comcast.net>
>      Subject: Re: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
>      To: "john wightman" <johnwightman at shaw.ca>, "Richard Schnoor"
>      <machworx at gmail.com>
>      Cc: "Datsun Roadster group" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
>      Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 6:29 PM
> i'm a pretty "died-in-the-wool" conservative, and a staunch
> supporter of most of the Republican party agenda....
> but I have to agree.  Not saying ANYTHING about his politics, as I don't
> intend to mix that with my roadster love... but I have been very dissapointed
> in how "unrefined", or "un-statesman-like" the president
> that I voted for is....
>
> :-(
>
> so imagine my distress at now looking at casting a vote for McCain.  Maybe
> I'll go fishing instead of voting this time.
>
> Dan
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: john wightman <johnwightman at shaw.ca>
>
>   
>> Yes, that's exactly how I feel about the president...
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> JW
>> On 22-Apr-08, at 5:41 AM, Richard Schnoor wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I'm not sure I would trust anybody that makes so many spelling
>>>       
> &
>   
>>> grammar
>>> errors. What is he in the 2nd grade?
>>>       
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From d-solomon at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 19:45:57 2008
From: d-solomon at comcast.net (Daniel Solomon)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:45:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] roadster (and rotisserie) for sale
Message-ID: <480E94D5.1080004@comcast.net>

folks:

please see my ad located here:
http://www.311s.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7694&highlight=

sad day.  kinda. 

Dan

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 20:28:05 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:28:05 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay seller warning
In-Reply-To: <129965.44691.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8a4e9$aadbdcd0$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

Well put, Jim.

Dave Brisco

"John Birch Society, bunch of liberals" :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gammon [mailto:gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com] 
 
   I respect the site, so I will not wax political except to say that
   neither McCain nor Bush are conservatives.

   Conservative means wanting to spend efficiently, have less government
   interference and allow freedom as much as possible. The government is
   there to protect us from threats, not to control our lives or
threaten
   our privacy.

   Too many people believe the media crap about how conservatives are
   into government controls, complete crap. The founding fathers were
   conservatives.

   I personally feel I am middle of the road, I think we need the
   government to help those who need help, without creating dependency.

   But...

   Jim

From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Tue Apr 22 21:03:24 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:03:24 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts
In-Reply-To: <000101c8a4e1$b4804080$6800a8c0@delled48909442>
Message-ID: <8CA7305BA673124-1150-4E96@webmail-nc16.sysops.aol.com>

DupliColor is Sherwin Williams paint I beiieve from what I remember 
when I checked online.
Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: dave <daveandlindab at comcast.net>
To: davesmbox at aol.com
Cc:  Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts


For the perfect $500.00 paint job, I always went on the theory of wait
for the $299.00 Ambassador special.  Give the manager $100.00 up front.
Tell him to take his time and make it nice.
Promise another $100.00 when you pick it up if it's a great job.
Prep yourself, remove the glass etc.
Hope for low humidity.

I saw a great review on DupliColor's PaintShop series, sprays like
lacquer, $25.00 a qt at Pepboys.  Was on Gearz on Speedvision, might be
online.  Probably what I will use.


Dave Brisco
ECR

-----Original Message-----
From: davesmbox at aol.com [mailto:davesmbox at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:27 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] OK Ebay trash and painting thoughts

OK KNOW THAT WE HAVE COMPLETELY TRASHED THE EBAY SYSTEM.

I need some painting thoughts.

My 1600 is tired (PAINT) got the rust bubbles in a bunch of spots. I am
rebuilding 2 other cars a Saab Sonett and still trying to build a new 70
Solex 2000.
Heres the catch. Broke my leg. Not working . Lots of time. (Broke it
pretty good too)
I want the 1600 to look good but between the Sonett and 2000 (and being
out of work) don't want to pour money into it. Paint to match just to
touch up is $100.With me buying the paint and spraying it myself.Painted
my TR4A won't shoot a whole car again.
If I pull the trim and bumpers,tow the car. Sand and fix the rust. Sand
400 grit to dewax.HOW BAD IS THE $500 MAACO paint job. I won't let them
prep it,that's the money. Is it that bad for a few years?

I'll redo when the other projects are done.
Just some thoughts?

Thanks,
Dave
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From jhatt at inreach.com  Tue Apr 22 21:07:06 2008
From: jhatt at inreach.com (paul hatter)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:07:06 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
Message-ID: <007401c8a4ef$1e12d9b0$7b8c9643@paul5345n942ga>

"The founding fathers were conservatives" is a blanket statement which is
untrue. Within the political climate of the late 18th century the ideas of the
revolution were not considered conservative. The founding fathers covered a
gamut of political ideology. If they had all been conservative John Adams and
Thomas Jefferson would not have had their falling out.(Adams refused to be
present at Jefferson's inauguration.) The political argument was which was to
hold more power, the federal government, or the states. The Federalists wanted
a strong national government while the Democratic-Republicans wanted strong
state governments. The argument raged until 1865. The civil war was not
initially fought over slavery but, rather, which political entity would be
more powerful. Incidentally, the Republican party was originally the liberal
party. "Free land, free trade, and free men," you can't get any more liberal
than that. Sorry about the history lesson but this is what I have been doing
for almost 40 years. Paul Hatter

From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 21:49:08 2008
From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:49:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
Message-ID: <767688.73978.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

thank you for the history lesson
s
675MIZU

----- Original Message ----
From: paul hatter <jhatt at inreach.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:07:06 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers

"The founding fathers were conservatives" is a blanket statement which is
untrue. Within the political climate of the late 18th century the ideas of the
revolution were not considered conservative. The founding fathers covered a
gamut of political ideology. If they had all been conservative John Adams and
Thomas Jefferson would not have had their falling out.(Adams refused to be
present at Jefferson's inauguration.) The political argument was which was to
hold more power, the federal government, or the states. The Federalists wanted
a strong national government while the Democratic-Republicans wanted strong
state governments. The argument raged until 1865. The civil war was not
initially fought over slavery but, rather, which political entity would be
more powerful. Incidentally, the Republican party was originally the liberal
party. "Free land, free trade, and free men," you can't get any more liberal
than that. Sorry about the history lesson but this is what I have been doing
for almost 40 years. Paul Hatter
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From heyace at cox.net  Tue Apr 22 22:17:45 2008
From: heyace at cox.net (Paul)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:17:45 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravan
Message-ID: <03cb01c8a4f8$fb817870$47620744@coach>

Well I think we have a lock for our Friday Caravan to Solvang and it looks to
be a good Parade up.  Here is our plan for any stragglers out there that would
like to join up.  (we would love to have you!)
We have 7 cars leaving San Diego around 9am and will meet up with:

Andrew Murphy and his crew in Irvine @ the Spectrum shopping ctr approx at
10:30am

>From there will be stopping in Woodland hills @ the Woodlake Bowl just off the
405 around 12:30.

Will pick up one more car in Camarillo and from there on to Solvang.

All in all we look to have 15+/- Roadsters so it looks to be a blast!
For those of you that will be going lets all try and stay together this year
so we can "enjoy the ride"
I look forward to seeing all of you again!

If anyone needs my contact info, my cell # is:
619 818-4776

Paul(heyace)Gabriel

From csp541983rx7 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 22:31:47 2008
From: csp541983rx7 at yahoo.com (steve newby)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:31:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
Message-ID: <863531.67491.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

   While your facts are correct, and in the context of the time the
   fathers were certainly not "conservative" they do in fact represent
   the core beliefs of todays conservative movement. These are personal
   freedom AND personal responsibilty, private property rights and most
   importantly LIMITED government.
   --- On Tue, 4/22/08, paul hatter <jhatt at inreach.com> wrote:

     From: paul hatter <jhatt at inreach.com>
     Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
     To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
     Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 8:07 PM
"The founding fathers were conservatives" is a blanket statement which
is
untrue. Within the political climate of the late 18th century the ideas of the
revolution were not considered conservative. The founding fathers covered a
gamut of political ideology. If they had all been conservative John Adams and
Thomas Jefferson would not have had their falling out.(Adams refused to be
present at Jefferson's inauguration.) The political argument was which was
to
hold more power, the federal government, or the states. The Federalists wanted
a strong national government while the Democratic-Republicans wanted strong
state governments. The argument raged until 1865. The civil war was not
initially fought over slavery but, rather, which political entity would be
more powerful. Incidentally, the Republican party was originally the liberal
party. "Free land, free trade, and free men," you can't get any
more liberal
than that. Sorry about the history lesson but this is what I have been doing
for almost 40 years. Paul Hatter
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From PDFenter at aol.com  Wed Apr 23 05:02:40 2008
From: PDFenter at aol.com (PDFenter at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:02:40 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadsters
Message-ID: <c8e.2115c8fd.35407150@aol.com>

I thought this was Roadster mailing list. How about one place to escape all  
the political opinions coming the rest of the year.
 
Phil



**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car 
listings at AOL Autos.      
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From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 05:18:58 2008
From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadsters
In-Reply-To: <c8e.2115c8fd.35407150@aol.com>
Message-ID: <823041.46509.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

   I agree and will not comment on politics again..

   JimG
   --- On Wed, 4/23/08, PDFenter at aol.com <PDFenter at aol.com> wrote:

     From: PDFenter at aol.com <PDFenter at aol.com>
     Subject: [Roadsters] Roadsters
     To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
     Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 7:02 AM
I thought this was Roadster mailing list. How about one place to escape all
the political opinions coming the rest of the year.

Phil

**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
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From dhyson at charter.net  Wed Apr 23 08:21:20 2008
From: dhyson at charter.net (Durf & Sue Hyson)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <863531.67491.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <863531.67491.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480F45E0.2090800@charter.net>

Steve , at best you can claim that "some" of the core beliefs were 
represented . The rest are often about 180 degrees out. Paul is correct 
about the essential make-up of the founding fathers. Historically when 
you are trying to pigeon-hole with a descriptive term you will be 
incorrect as much as you will be correct as time and circumstance alter 
what the term's current definition is. Besides , it doesn't matter at 
all what you call them. Actual  intentions , actions , and achievements 
or accomplishments provide the proper definition in history whatever the 
"tag" was. By the way the founding fathers were never , to a man , for 
limited government. They were  , however , for limiting government 
applied without the involvement of the people being governed and for 
spreading the base of government to ensure it's safety . (three 
branches/checks and balances)
The moral of the story ? Think for yourself as they did . Forget the 
rhetoric and the titles . Choose on what you know and believe and think 
will bring the best result. The biggest failure in all of the history of 
American government ? The Party lever on a voting machine. Buying the 
farm to get the cow gets you the cow and all the crap that's lying 
around the barnyard. All that you wanted was the cow.

Many apologies for the rant off topic. I am just rooting for people to 
think for themselves. My line ends with me. Your Grandchildren will be 
better off if we all pay attention. You guys know where to aim the 
arrows. Feel free to do it off site.

Thanks, Durf

steve newby wrote:
>    While your facts are correct, and in the context of the time the
>    fathers were certainly not "conservative" they do in fact represent
>    the core beliefs of todays conservative movement.

From csp541983rx7 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 08:37:35 2008
From: csp541983rx7 at yahoo.com (steve newby)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] politics
Message-ID: <810267.71286.qm@web58715.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

   Amen no more politics on the roadster post

   but BURN YOUR TV

   Life will be better! More time in the garage working on roadsters
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From roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 08:38:52 2008
From: roadsterdude1600 at yahoo.com (Mike Harper)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:38:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <480F45E0.2090800@charter.net>
Message-ID: <494183.43815.qm@web52803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What they were MOST interested in was breaking away
from the Crown and establishing self-government, for
many noble and many self-serving reasons. (they
stressed the noble ones) They were hardly monolithic
in their philosophy, but they were (thankfully)
successful.  One could argue the same for the
Confederacy, though they were not at all successful. 
The winners get to write the history to serve their
purposes.  God Bless the USA.

Roadster content:  See you all at the Mitty next week!
Need to finish my last minute check list for Jessie,
and hit the road!

Mike (SC)
'66 1600 (Jessie)

--- Durf & Sue Hyson <dhyson at charter.net> wrote:

> Steve , at best you can claim that "some" of the
> core beliefs were 
> represented . The rest are often about 180 degrees
> out. Paul is correct 
> about the essential make-up of the founding fathers.
> Historically when 
> you are trying to pigeon-hole with a descriptive
> term you will be 
> incorrect as much as you will be correct as time and
> circumstance alter 
> what the term's current definition is. Besides , it
> doesn't matter at 
> all what you call them. Actual  intentions , actions
> , and achievements 
> or accomplishments provide the proper definition in
> history whatever the 
> "tag" was. By the way the founding fathers were
> never , to a man , for 
> limited government. They were  , however , for
> limiting government 
> applied without the involvement of the people being
> governed and for 
> spreading the base of government to ensure it's
> safety . (three 
> branches/checks and balances)
> The moral of the story ? Think for yourself as they
> did . Forget the 
> rhetoric and the titles . Choose on what you know
> and believe and think 
> will bring the best result. The biggest failure in
> all of the history of 
> American government ? The Party lever on a voting
> machine. Buying the 
> farm to get the cow gets you the cow and all the
> crap that's lying 
> around the barnyard. All that you wanted was the
> cow.
> 
> Many apologies for the rant off topic. I am just
> rooting for people to 
> think for themselves. My line ends with me. Your
> Grandchildren will be 
> better off if we all pay attention. You guys know
> where to aim the 
> arrows. Feel free to do it off site.
> 
> Thanks, Durf
> 
> steve newby wrote:
> >    While your facts are correct, and in the
> context of the time the
> >    fathers were certainly not "conservative" they
> do in fact represent
> >    the core beliefs of todays conservative
> movement.
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 23 08:37:57 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:37:57 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] politics
References: <810267.71286.qm@web58715.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c8a54f$a0e34ef0$24a7a8c0@garage.local>

AHEM!!!  donate it to a worthy cause.  more politically correct than burning 
<grin>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve newby" <csp541983rx7 at yahoo.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:37 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] politics


>   Amen no more politics on the roadster post
>
>   but BURN YOUR TV
>
>   Life will be better! More time in the garage working on roadsters
>     _________________________________________________________________

From rekeen at mtu.edu  Wed Apr 23 08:41:50 2008
From: rekeen at mtu.edu (Robert Keen)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:41:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <480F45E0.2090800@charter.net>
References: <863531.67491.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<480F45E0.2090800@charter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804231033060.3970@bios6.bio.mtu.edu>

PLEASE - Reply about politics to individual email
addresses, not to the entire list.


--Bob Keen
Upper Peninsula, MI USA
68 1600 (still in hibernation with 2 feet of snow in front
of the north-facing garage door.)

From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Wed Apr 23 08:54:50 2008
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:54:50 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: daily driver smog check results,
	suggestions for next year
Message-ID: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D97550C@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>

Okay engine exhaust gas experts, I took my car in for a CA smog check
yesterday (meaning they put it on a dyno and run it at 15mph and 25mph),
and figured it'd pass no problem, so while I due religious regular
maintenance, it does have 102k miles and I haven't changed the plugs in
3 years or so. (~45k miles)
Brand new air filter.    Toyota Tacoma 3.4L V-6 (5GZFE engine, from
memory), auto trans, 2wd, 4 door (like that makes a difference).

So here is what I got for results:  (it passed, but a few were "by a
hair", see below)

15mph, 1729 rpm:   %CO2:  15.0,  %02: 0.0
25mph,  1751 rpm:  %CO2:  15.1,  %02:  0.0

And the 3 tested (pass/fail) readings
Measured------- Average for Passing Vehicles----------Max Allowed

HC (ppm):
15mph:    47------4-------51  (**)
25mph:   19-------4-------35
CO (%):
15mph:  0.14-----0.00------0.65
25mph: 0.02------0.01------0.79
NO (ppm):
15mph:  510-------18-------512  (**)
25mph:  168-------16-------765

The two with asterisks are the ones I am most concerned about.  Any
suggestions on what to do for next test (reg for 2010)?

Note: on a sideline, on the recent Iron Bottom, I met someone who was
driving a '79 stock midget, and when I asked him about smog, he said
he'd get "the new additive from CRC that nearly guarantees passing
numbers".  He intimated it was like "solvent in a can", not sure, never
heard of it, but thought I would throw it out there as an idea /
research opportunity for those who have one "on the edge".

Thanks for the help, looking forward to seeing y'all in Solvang,
Fergus O, 69 2000, HB, CA

From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 23 08:57:48 2008
From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:57:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: daily driver smog check results,
 suggestions for next year
In-Reply-To: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D97550C@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <107277.45478.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Aren't Roadsters exempt from biennial checks in California due to their age?
 
 Gary McCormick
 San Jose, CA

"O'Farrell, Fergus" <Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com> wrote: Okay engine exhaust gas experts, I took my car in for a CA smog check
yesterday (meaning they put it on a dyno and run it at 15mph and 25mph),
and figured it'd pass no problem, so while I due religious regular
maintenance, it does have 102k miles and I haven't changed the plugs in
3 years or so. (~45k miles)
Brand new air filter.    Toyota Tacoma 3.4L V-6 (5GZFE engine, from
memory), auto trans, 2wd, 4 door (like that makes a difference).

So here is what I got for results:  (it passed, but a few were "by a
hair", see below)

15mph, 1729 rpm:   %CO2:  15.0,  %02: 0.0
25mph,  1751 rpm:  %CO2:  15.1,  %02:  0.0

And the 3 tested (pass/fail) readings
Measured------- Average for Passing Vehicles----------Max Allowed

HC (ppm):
15mph:    47------4-------51  (**)
25mph:   19-------4-------35
CO (%):
15mph:  0.14-----0.00------0.65
25mph: 0.02------0.01------0.79
NO (ppm):
15mph:  510-------18-------512  (**)
25mph:  168-------16-------765

The two with asterisks are the ones I am most concerned about.  Any
suggestions on what to do for next test (reg for 2010)?

Note: on a sideline, on the recent Iron Bottom, I met someone who was
driving a '79 stock midget, and when I asked him about smog, he said
he'd get "the new additive from CRC that nearly guarantees passing
numbers".  He intimated it was like "solvent in a can", not sure, never
heard of it, but thought I would throw it out there as an idea /
research opportunity for those who have one "on the edge".

Thanks for the help, looking forward to seeing y'all in Solvang,
Fergus O, 69 2000, HB, CA
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From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Wed Apr 23 09:04:32 2008
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:04:32 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Saturday Solvang Caravan, 6am-Woodlake Bowl
Message-ID: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D975533@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>

And back to the topic of Roadsters......
3 of us will be driving up Saturday morning, meeting at same, now
infamous, Woodlake Bowl at 6am.
may hang till 6:10 but no bets on that.  A "spirited drive" up to
Solvang guaranteed.
I anyone needs parts/tools/jackstands/RhinoRamps brought along, call on
my cell.
It might not be turned on, but I'll check messages before I leave at
4:30 or so from my house.

Fergus O, 69 2000, HB, CA
310-919-8077

From steve at olsonarchitect.com  Wed Apr 23 11:20:57 2008
From: steve at olsonarchitect.com (Stephen Wan)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:20:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: daily driver smog check results,
 suggestions  for next year
References: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D97550C@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <01dc01c8a566$64d61ca0$7200a8c0@Stephen>

Fergus,
HC and NO are usually inversely related.  If one goes up, the other goes 
down.
High HC is usually caused by running rich.  High NO is usually caused by 
high combustion temperatures; advanced timing, running lean, etc.
This suggests that you are not getting a complete burn. Especially when it 
cleans up at higher RPM's when timing isn't as crucial.
I'd change the plugs, cap and rotor and check the wires before your next 
smog check.

Steve
70' 1600

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "O'Farrell, Fergus" <Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: daily driver smog check results,suggestions for 
next year


> Okay engine exhaust gas experts, I took my car in for a CA smog check
> yesterday (meaning they put it on a dyno and run it at 15mph and 25mph),
> and figured it'd pass no problem, so while I due religious regular
> maintenance, it does have 102k miles and I haven't changed the plugs in
> 3 years or so. (~45k miles)
> Brand new air filter.    Toyota Tacoma 3.4L V-6 (5GZFE engine, from
> memory), auto trans, 2wd, 4 door (like that makes a difference).
>
> So here is what I got for results:  (it passed, but a few were "by a
> hair", see below)
>
> 15mph, 1729 rpm:   %CO2:  15.0,  %02: 0.0
> 25mph,  1751 rpm:  %CO2:  15.1,  %02:  0.0
>
> And the 3 tested (pass/fail) readings
> Measured------- Average for Passing Vehicles----------Max Allowed
>
> HC (ppm):
> 15mph:    47------4-------51  (**)
> 25mph:   19-------4-------35
> CO (%):
> 15mph:  0.14-----0.00------0.65
> 25mph: 0.02------0.01------0.79
> NO (ppm):
> 15mph:  510-------18-------512  (**)
> 25mph:  168-------16-------765
>
> The two with asterisks are the ones I am most concerned about.  Any
> suggestions on what to do for next test (reg for 2010)?
>
> Note: on a sideline, on the recent Iron Bottom, I met someone who was
> driving a '79 stock midget, and when I asked him about smog, he said
> he'd get "the new additive from CRC that nearly guarantees passing
> numbers".  He intimated it was like "solvent in a can", not sure, never
> heard of it, but thought I would throw it out there as an idea /
> research opportunity for those who have one "on the edge".
>
> Thanks for the help, looking forward to seeing y'all in Solvang,
> Fergus O, 69 2000, HB, CA

From tminerpcav at aol.com  Wed Apr 23 12:20:38 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:20:38 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] politics
In-Reply-To: <810267.71286.qm@web58715.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <810267.71286.qm@web58715.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CA7385DCC2A1B5-A5C-14E4@webmail-nf15.sim.aol.com>

I'm hoping we can continue this political discussion when were all in Solvang, NOT!!!!!!


---- Original Message ----
From: steve newby <csp541983rx7 at yahoo.com>
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 7:37 am
Subject: [Roadsters] politics



   Amen no more politics on the roadster post

   but BURN YOUR TV

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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Wed Apr 23 13:24:00 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:24:00 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang Caravan
Message-ID: <042320081924.14670.480F8CD00000068E0000394E2207000953CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Take pics!

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Paul" <heyace at cox.net>
> Well I think we have a lock for our Friday Caravan to Solvang and it looks to
> be a good Parade up.  Here is our plan for any stragglers out there that would
> like to join up.  (we would love to have you!)
> We have 7 cars leaving San Diego around 9am and will meet up with:
> 
> Andrew Murphy and his crew in Irvine @ the Spectrum shopping ctr approx at
> 10:30am
> 
> >From there will be stopping in Woodland hills @ the Woodlake Bowl just off the
> 405 around 12:30.
> 
> Will pick up one more car in Camarillo and from there on to Solvang.
> 
> All in all we look to have 15+/- Roadsters so it looks to be a blast!
> For those of you that will be going lets all try and stay together this year
> so we can "enjoy the ride"
> I look forward to seeing all of you again!
> 
> If anyone needs my contact info, my cell # is:
> 619 818-4776
> 
> Paul(heyace)Gabriel
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From dbji at whidbey.net  Wed Apr 23 13:29:00 2008
From: dbji at whidbey.net (Don Boyd)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:29:00 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] exhaust gas
Message-ID: <002401c8a578$4afa8610$2101a8c0@work>

Couple things: The "0"  O2 means your rich.Not much rich mind you because the
HC isn't sky high.  Could be a lot of things. Get it on a OBDII scanner and
look at the numbers outputting from various sensors. Common problems could be
: thermostat opening too cold, ECT sensor bad, or AMS dirty or going bad.
The high NO is possibly caused by a plugging EGR system. This could also be
the slightly rich cause too.
High HC is too rich or a misfire. Again, the only way is to get the scanner
hooked up and watch the misfire counts.
Changing  plugs is a good idea. Changing oil just before an emission test
reduces HC count somewhat. Check the EGR flow. At 100k it most likely needs
attention. It helps mileage slightly too.
I'm a shop owner that specializes in Euro cars, so this is not Toyota specific
data. Your library has Aldata, you can get access free. It costs me 3k a
year.
Don Boyd

From jsk977 at optonline.net  Wed Apr 23 14:04:48 2008
From: jsk977 at optonline.net (Jerry Krakauer)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:04:48 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
References: <863531.67491.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c8a57d$488e75d0$6402a8c0@HP1450>

Guess that leaves G.W. B. out, his administration clearly doesn't support 
any  of those.

Jerry Krakauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve newby" <csp541983rx7 at yahoo.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers


>   While your facts are correct, and in the context of the time the
>   fathers were certainly not "conservative" they do in fact represent
>   the core beliefs of todays conservative movement. These are personal
>   freedom AND personal responsibilty, private property rights and most
>   importantly LIMITED government.
>   --- On Tue, 4/22/08, paul hatter <jhatt at inreach.com> wrote:
>
>     From: paul hatter <jhatt at inreach.com>
>     Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
>     To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>     Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 8:07 PM
> "The founding fathers were conservatives" is a blanket statement which
> is
> untrue. Within the political climate of the late 18th century the ideas of 
> the
> revolution were not considered conservative. The founding fathers covered 
> a
> gamut of political ideology. If they had all been conservative John Adams 
> and
> Thomas Jefferson would not have had their falling out.(Adams refused to be
> present at Jefferson's inauguration.) The political argument was which was
> to
> hold more power, the federal government, or the states. The Federalists 
> wanted
> a strong national government while the Democratic-Republicans wanted 
> strong
> state governments. The argument raged until 1865. The civil war was not
> initially fought over slavery but, rather, which political entity would be
> more powerful. Incidentally, the Republican party was originally the 
> liberal
> party. "Free land, free trade, and free men," you can't get any
> more liberal
> than that. Sorry about the history lesson but this is what I have been 
> doing
> for almost 40 years. Paul Hatter
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From gogineni.alvin at gene.com  Wed Apr 23 15:42:23 2008
From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:42:23 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <001801c8a57d$488e75d0$6402a8c0@HP1450>
Message-ID: <1208986943-22174.019.87-smmsdV2.1.1@smtp.gene.com>

STFU!!!!
Keep it roadster-related.

From joek at camberconstruction.com  Wed Apr 23 15:51:02 2008
From: joek at camberconstruction.com (Joe Kinstle)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:51:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <1208986943-22174.019.87-smmsdV2.1.1@smtp.gene.com>
References: <001801c8a57d$488e75d0$6402a8c0@HP1450>
	<1208986943-22174.019.87-smmsdV2.1.1@smtp.gene.com>
Message-ID: <00f401c8a58c$21384740$020fa8c0@lapjoek>

Lemon Pound Cake

2 3/4 cups all purpose flour
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/4 tsp salt
3 sticks unsalted butter at room temperature
2 1/4 cups sugar
6 large eggs
1 cup milk
1 1/2 TB lemon zest
1 tsp. pure lemon extract
1/2 cup fresh lemon juice


Joe Kinstle
'68 2L
BLK SRL

From tminerpcav at aol.com  Wed Apr 23 16:01:28 2008
From: tminerpcav at aol.com (tminerpcav at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:01:28 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <1208986943-22174.019.87-smmsdV2.1.1@smtp.gene.com>
Message-ID: <8CA73A4B6DB77B9-A5C-2F70@webmail-nf15.sim.aol.com>

AMEN!

Are you going to Solvang?? 

Lookin' forward to seeing you and Becky (actually I'm looking forward to seeing Becky).

Tim


---- Original Message ----
From: Alvin Gogineni <gogineni.alvin at gene.com>
To: Jerry Krakauer <jsk977 at optonline.net>
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers



STFU!!!!
Keep it roadster-related.
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 23 16:04:40 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
References: <001801c8a57d$488e75d0$6402a8c0@HP1450><1208986943-22174.019.87-smmsdV2.1.1@smtp.gene.com>
	<00f401c8a58c$21384740$020fa8c0@lapjoek>
Message-ID: <000601c8a58e$090264b0$24a7a8c0@garage.local>

this is awfully off topic.  can we please return to the history lessons???


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Kinstle" <joek at camberconstruction.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers


> Lemon Pound Cake
> 
> 2 3/4 cups all purpose flour
> 1/2 tsp baking powder
> 1/4 tsp salt
> 3 sticks unsalted butter at room temperature
> 2 1/4 cups sugar
> 6 large eggs
> 1 cup milk
> 1 1/2 TB lemon zest
> 1 tsp. pure lemon extract
> 1/2 cup fresh lemon juice
> 
> 
> Joe Kinstle
> '68 2L
> BLK SRL

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Wed Apr 23 16:36:08 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:36:08 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
Message-ID: <042320082236.4028.480FB9D8000B236900000FBC2200734076CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

What about politicians that drive roadsters?

Pete "Happy Hump Day!"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
> this is awfully off topic.  can we please return to the history lessons???
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Kinstle" <joek at camberconstruction.com>
> To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
> 
> 
> > Lemon Pound Cake
> > 
> > 2 3/4 cups all purpose flour
> > 1/2 tsp baking powder
> > 1/4 tsp salt
> > 3 sticks unsalted butter at room temperature
> > 2 1/4 cups sugar
> > 6 large eggs
> > 1 cup milk
> > 1 1/2 TB lemon zest
> > 1 tsp. pure lemon extract
> > 1/2 cup fresh lemon juice
> > 
> > 
> > Joe Kinstle
> > '68 2L
> > BLK SRL
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From 9laser3 at bright.net  Wed Apr 23 17:01:18 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:01:18 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <00f401c8a58c$21384740$020fa8c0@lapjoek>
References: <001801c8a57d$488e75d0$6402a8c0@HP1450>
	<1208986943-22174.019.87-smmsdV2.1.1@smtp.gene.com>
	<00f401c8a58c$21384740$020fa8c0@lapjoek>
Message-ID: <003d01c8a595$f207d990$d6178cb0$@net>

  Come on Joe, that's pretty lame!

  What size pan, greased or ungreased, and temp & time in the oven?

  And how about a few photos!

Paul
"I crew for food!"
Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters- 
Lemon Pound Cake

2 3/4 cups all purpose flour
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/4 tsp salt
3 sticks unsalted butter at room temperature
2 1/4 cups sugar
6 large eggs
1 cup milk
1 1/2 TB lemon zest
1 tsp. pure lemon extract
1/2 cup fresh lemon juice


Joe Kinstle
'68 2L
BLK SRL

From bubwin at mts.net  Thu Apr 24 00:35:56 2008
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:35:56 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] OT: daily driver smog check results,
 suggestions  for next year
In-Reply-To: <01dc01c8a566$64d61ca0$7200a8c0@Stephen>
References: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D97550C@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
	<01dc01c8a566$64d61ca0$7200a8c0@Stephen>
Message-ID: <82FC496219C242C7BC1557DB376128CE@ownerPC>

Don't forget a clean air filter!

Bob Winslade
1966-1600 Missy
1967-1600 Bender


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Wan" <steve at olsonarchitect.com>
To: "O'Farrell, Fergus" <Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com>; 
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: daily driver smog check results, suggestions 
for next year


> Fergus,
> HC and NO are usually inversely related.  If one goes up, the other goes
> down.
> High HC is usually caused by running rich.  High NO is usually caused by
> high combustion temperatures; advanced timing, running lean, etc.
> This suggests that you are not getting a complete burn. Especially when it
> cleans up at higher RPM's when timing isn't as crucial.
> I'd change the plugs, cap and rotor and check the wires before your next
> smog check.
>
> Steve
> 70' 1600
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "O'Farrell, Fergus" <Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com>
> To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:54 AM
> Subject: [Roadsters] OT: daily driver smog check results,suggestions for
> next year
>
>
>> Okay engine exhaust gas experts, I took my car in for a CA smog check
>> yesterday (meaning they put it on a dyno and run it at 15mph and 25mph),
>> and figured it'd pass no problem, so while I due religious regular
>> maintenance, it does have 102k miles and I haven't changed the plugs in
>> 3 years or so. (~45k miles)
>> Brand new air filter.    Toyota Tacoma 3.4L V-6 (5GZFE engine, from
>> memory), auto trans, 2wd, 4 door (like that makes a difference).
>>
>> So here is what I got for results:  (it passed, but a few were "by a
>> hair", see below)
>>
>> 15mph, 1729 rpm:   %CO2:  15.0,  %02: 0.0
>> 25mph,  1751 rpm:  %CO2:  15.1,  %02:  0.0
>>
>> And the 3 tested (pass/fail) readings
>> Measured------- Average for Passing Vehicles----------Max Allowed
>>
>> HC (ppm):
>> 15mph:    47------4-------51  (**)
>> 25mph:   19-------4-------35
>> CO (%):
>> 15mph:  0.14-----0.00------0.65
>> 25mph: 0.02------0.01------0.79
>> NO (ppm):
>> 15mph:  510-------18-------512  (**)
>> 25mph:  168-------16-------765
>>
>> The two with asterisks are the ones I am most concerned about.  Any
>> suggestions on what to do for next test (reg for 2010)?
>>
>> Note: on a sideline, on the recent Iron Bottom, I met someone who was
>> driving a '79 stock midget, and when I asked him about smog, he said
>> he'd get "the new additive from CRC that nearly guarantees passing
>> numbers".  He intimated it was like "solvent in a can", not sure, never
>> heard of it, but thought I would throw it out there as an idea /
>> research opportunity for those who have one "on the edge".
>>
>> Thanks for the help, looking forward to seeing y'all in Solvang,
>> Fergus O, 69 2000, HB, CA
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From robbieharrison at comcast.net  Thu Apr 24 07:41:52 2008
From: robbieharrison at comcast.net (Robbie Harrison)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:41:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers
References: <001801c8a57d$488e75d0$6402a8c0@HP1450>
	<1208986943-22174.019.87-smmsdV2.1.1@smtp.gene.com>
	<00f401c8a58c$21384740$020fa8c0@lapjoek>
	<003d01c8a595$f207d990$d6178cb0$@net>
Message-ID: <48108E20.000001.04160@ROBBIE-PC>

What part of the engine compartment, how fast, for how long for best
results?
Robbie

-------Original Message-------

From: Paul
Date: 4/23/2008 7:01:34 PM
To: 'Joe Kinstle'
Cc: 'datsun-roadsters'
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Founding Fathers

  Come on Joe, that's pretty lame!

  What size pan, greased or ungreased, and temp & time in the oven?

  And how about a few photos!

Paul
"I crew for food!"
Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-
Lemon Pound Cake

2 3/4 cups all purpose flour
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/4 tsp salt
3 sticks unsalted butter at room temperature
2 1/4 cups sugar
6 large eggs
1 cup milk
1 1/2 TB lemon zest
1 tsp. pure lemon extract
1/2 cup fresh lemon juice


Joe Kinstle
'68 2L
BLK SRL
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From info at sportsimports.ca  Thu Apr 24 08:49:46 2008
From: info at sportsimports.ca (Ross Mullen / Sports Imports)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:49:46 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] BBQ at sports imports
Message-ID: <B541FE29-D8DD-4E02-A441-4A2F59C8E9BF@sportsimports.ca>

Just a reminder, that the BBQ is this Saturday from noon until 5 p.m.  
at 19122-27th Ave. Unit #4, Surrey, BC. we have  quite a few 510,  
240Z, and many roadsters coming in for the celebration. maybe even  
the odd 79 210, 710, pulsar, 300ZX. its bring your own drink and  
something to throw on the BBQ. I am supplying salads, bread,  
condiments. Mike is bringing a cake.
I am hoping that there will be representation from WA and OR. Come  
one come all. Let me know if you are coming to make sure I have  
enough salads and buns.

Enjoy the ride

Ross Mullen
sports imports
604-538-5615

From jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 24 09:54:52 2008
From: jtorres67 at sbcglobal.net (jtorres67)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:54:52 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Final Solvang 2008 Posting
Message-ID: <002501c8a623$8e43bfd0$aa746b4b@Torres>

Hello to All!!

It's Thursday morning and we are about ready to head to Solvang. Currently we
have about 60 cars registered, with a bunch threatening and about 110 tix sold
for the BBQ awards/dinner. I know there may have been a little confusion since
the " Registered Participant" page on the web site showed about 24 people
registered. I was unable to update the site after I moved. I didn't think
about it at the time, but I hope people didn't see that and decide not to come
because of a low turnout.....oh well, live and learn....better web site next
year!

To all that are coming!  We will have some extra Tee's, Hoodies, polos, etc.
But not many! If you want one before the show, I will be at the Motel 6 in
Buellton as of tonight(Thursday). As far as BBQ Tix. We will have about 20
extra tix and after that, no more. So hunt me down early if you want to go to
the awards bbq and dinner.

This year we have some cool raffle prizes that include a Whistler Radar
detector for all you lead foots...a Magellan Navigational system(very cool)
and much, much more. We will also be having a 50/50 raffle this year, with the
winner splitting the pot for a cash prize.....maybe winning this can pay for
your trip this year!

Solvang is once again upon us! See you there, and drive safe!

Jeff & Gabby T.

From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Fri Apr 25 07:07:35 2008
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:07:35 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] California Craigslist window shopping
Message-ID: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D99CAFB@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>

Some interesting things on LA C-L:
13B powered (rotary) roadster, only roadster I have ever seen with MORE
front tire clearance than mine!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/car/654159381.html

Toyota powered 1200, (in LV) not sure why you would want to do this, but
if you are a Toy-fan and had the engine sitting around, I guess.
(I am very partial to this body style)
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/car/654206813.html

Not a roadster, but an option for a tow the roadster vehicle:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/car/654606787.html

This one is a nice looker, and isn't claiming to be the long-lost auto
show prototype.....
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/car/646360076.html

And these next two are begging to be put together into one project: (by
someone with a LOT more project time than me)
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/car/647052851.html    and
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/car/651200602.html
Or maybe try to squeeze in:  (eww, just notice it is from an automatic
car)
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/car/651509419.html

And from farther north:
Lotta work done on this one, with no mention of the primered hood
visible in the pics.
The rims make it look a bit "hoopty", need to be toned down an inch or
two. (now has 13" rotors, may have originally come with 13" wheels!)
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/car/649311465.html

From sportsix63 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 25 08:11:07 2008
From: sportsix63 at yahoo.com (jim williams)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:11:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] new to list
Message-ID: <405188.67470.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,
I'm a new owner of a 1970 1600 41,000 miles
Couple of questions:
1. Tire size: It has B78x14s. What would be a new
replacement size? ( I like a full wheel well)
2. Best parts source. I need all the hoses(original
ones are still on the car) all tune up parts are
needed. (can a parts place like NAPA be used by
stating the car is a 1600?)
3. Can any of the Datsun SU parts be crossed over to
the British SU parts?
4. The car has a great deal of hesitation when first
starting out. Pull the choke full on it goes away.
But, in order to drive it you need to pull the choke
at each gear change. Too lean??? Doesn't get that much
better when warmed up.
Thanks

  Jim Williams
  Lewisburg, West Virginia





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From adamjhanson at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 25 12:37:45 2008
From: adamjhanson at yahoo.com (Adam Hanson)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:37:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] 1500 vs 1600 wheels
Message-ID: <771890.93999.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Will the 14 inch stock wheels from a 1600 fit on a 1500 without modification? Thanks. 


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From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 25 13:43:53 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:43:53 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] new to list
Message-ID: <042520081943.14378.48123479000B04C90000382A2213528573CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

The Search Nazi sez "search the archives." <g>

Welcome. If you haven't been there, check out the other great resource for roadsters:

<http://www.311s.org>

1. Lotsa choices. Check the 311s.org TechWiki Tire&Wheel section and the forums.

2. There is no single best choice. Many parts available from Nissan, Napa, AutoZone, etc. There's also a number of excellent vendors to feed our addiction.

<http://www.311s.org/vendors.html>

3. My understanding is very little. I'll let Keith "the slow carb guy" Williams respond. Keith's a SU guru.

4. I'll let those who know respond.

Cheers.

Pete

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: jim williams <sportsix63 at yahoo.com>
> Hello,
> I'm a new owner of a 1970 1600 41,000 miles
> Couple of questions:
> 1. Tire size: It has B78x14s. What would be a new
> replacement size? ( I like a full wheel well)
> 2. Best parts source. I need all the hoses(original
> ones are still on the car) all tune up parts are
> needed. (can a parts place like NAPA be used by
> stating the car is a 1600?)
> 3. Can any of the Datsun SU parts be crossed over to
> the British SU parts?
> 4. The car has a great deal of hesitation when first
> starting out. Pull the choke full on it goes away.
> But, in order to drive it you need to pull the choke
> at each gear change. Too lean??? Doesn't get that much
> better when warmed up.
> Thanks
> 
>   Jim Williams
>   Lewisburg, West Virginia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Fri Apr 25 14:31:54 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:31:54 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] new to list
Message-ID: <d2d.2852f1e0.354399ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/25/2008 7:14:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
sportsix63 at yahoo.com writes:

3. Can  any of the Datsun SU parts be crossed over to
the British SU parts?
4.  The car has a great deal of hesitation when first
starting out. Pull the  choke full on it goes away.
But, in order to drive it you need to pull the  choke
at each gear change. Too lean??? Doesn't get that much
better when  warmed up.
Thanks

Jim Williams
Lewisburg, West  Virginia






Darn few of the British SU parts will fit. They do have a good selection of  
needles.
 
Check the dash pot oil. Most likely there is none there. The factory says  
10w. ATF or Marvel Mystery Oil are popular. 
 
Here is the link to my carb page.  
 
 
_Setting up  and adjusting SU/Hitachi carbs on the Datsun Roadster_ 
(http://members.aol.com/roadsterranch/su-setup/su-setup.html)  
 
The one on 311s.org is supposed to be the same but it's a step  behind.
 
keith "the slow carb guy" williams




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From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 26 04:06:19 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:06:19 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
Message-ID: <E1JphIL-0002yL-4I@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

eBay Item number: 270230935964

 

That's weird.but I kinda like it.

Matt

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Sat Apr 26 05:40:41 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:40:41 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
In-Reply-To: <E1JphIL-0002yL-4I@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1JphIL-0002yL-4I@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000101c8a792$5cab8eb0$1602ac10$@net>

  Saw a hood like this before.  My guess is the car had a motor swap in it's
history.

Paul
Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith

eBay Item number: 270230935964
 

That's weird.but I kinda like it.

Matt

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 26 06:03:10 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:03:10 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Mitty weather
Message-ID: <E1Jpj7O-0001LB-E0@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Everyone,

Heres an update on Mitty. If you have a chance, pick up some oversized
cheap plastic floor mats. Red Georgia clay is nasty stuff on your carpets.
Its bad enough as dust, its HORRIBLE as mud. Im not trying to turn anyone
off of coming. PLEASE SHOW UP!!!!! I just thought you might want to be
prepared. Ill update later in the week. As we all know, weather in the
south is HIGHLY changeable. :-) Im going rain or shine. Hotel is already
paid for and non-refundable, and my 3 day Mitty pass is in the glove box.

As those of us in the south know, partly cloudy with 20% chance of rain,
means no damn rain. Isolated T-storms with 30% chance of rain, means
probably no damn rain. Showers with 60% chance of rain, means its either
going to sprinkle a little or its going to come down in buckets! HAHAHA!

Braselton GA forecast 5/2/08  5/5/08 as of 8:00 AM 4/26/2008

Friday Partly Cloudy - 790 550 20%

Saturday Isolated T-Storms 820 550 30%

Sunday Showers 750 530 60%

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 26 06:27:23 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
In-Reply-To: <000101c8a792$5cab8eb0$1602ac10$@net>
Message-ID: <E1JpjUp-0002wX-I0@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Paul,
I figured that too. The holes where the carbs belong just looked really
weird. Usually a hood like that would house a V6 or more likely V8. Carbs
wouldn't be there then. Hmmmmm. Someone on this list bought the eBay
roadster with the (Ford V8?) swap that had a double scoop. I'm sorry I don't
remember who off the top of my head. 

On this one, I think I'd have rounded the "hump" more. It would look more
natural and then put the opening a little farther forward. Not that I would
want to copy one, but a little more like the 280Z or Z61 Aston Martin DB4/GT
Zagato, only exaggerated (with a Roadster scoop on top).
There I go dreamin' again.
Have a GREAT weekend!
Matt!

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:41 AM
To: 'Matthew A. Smith'; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?

  Saw a hood like this before.  My guess is the car had a motor swap in it's
history.

Paul
Ohio

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Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith

eBay Item number: 270230935964
 

That's weird.but I kinda like it.

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From leehinger at verizon.net  Sat Apr 26 07:07:55 2008
From: leehinger at verizon.net (leehinger at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:07:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
Message-ID: <17152120.1497121209215275333.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>

Looks like a klugey 240z engine install... 

weird hood... + 2 holes in it too!!
Lee Ehinger
>From: Paul <9laser3 at bright.net>
>Date: 2008/04/26 Sat AM 06:40:41 CDT
>To: "'Matthew A. Smith'" <matthews517 at earthlink.net>, 
	datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?

>  Saw a hood like this before.  My guess is the car had a motor swap in it's
>history.
>
>Paul
>Ohio
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
>[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith
>
>eBay Item number: 270230935964
> 
>
>That's weird.but I kinda like it.
>
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From 9laser3 at bright.net  Sat Apr 26 07:48:42 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:48:42 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Mitty weather
In-Reply-To: <E1Jpj7O-0001LB-E0@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1Jpj7O-0001LB-E0@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000401c8a7a4$3ea931d0$bbfb9570$@net>

  I remember a few years back when the tornados just missed Road Atlanta.
Sunday we all slid around the infield on that lovely red clay.  The next
heavy rain I drove in was back in Ohio and my poor car bled red clay for
miles!
  And while Matt's ideas on weather forecasting may be accurate for the
location, I've always found that if I leave the hard top on and don't wash
the roadster, the sun will shine all weekend.  Conversely, if you leave the
top at home and spit shine it, the rains will come!

Paul
Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith

Hi Everyone,

Heres an update on Mitty. If you have a chance, pick up some oversized
cheap plastic floor mats. Red Georgia clay is nasty stuff on your carpets.
Its bad enough as dust, its HORRIBLE as mud. Im not trying to turn anyone
off of coming. PLEASE SHOW UP!!!!! I just thought you might want to be
prepared. Ill update later in the week. As we all know, weather in the
south is HIGHLY changeable. :-) Im going rain or shine. Hotel is already
paid for and non-refundable, and my 3 day Mitty pass is in the glove box.

As those of us in the south know, partly cloudy with 20% chance of rain,
means no damn rain. Isolated T-storms with 30% chance of rain, means
probably no damn rain. Showers with 60% chance of rain, means its either
going to sprinkle a little or its going to come down in buckets! HAHAHA!

Braselton GA forecast 5/2/08  5/5/08 as of 8:00 AM 4/26/2008

Friday Partly Cloudy - 790 550 20%

Saturday Isolated T-Storms 820 550 30%

Sunday Showers 750 530 60%

From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sat Apr 26 08:23:49 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:23:49 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
Message-ID: <ceb.31e90475.354494f5@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/26/2008 6:08:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
leehinger at verizon.net writes:

Looks  like a klugey 240z engine install... 

weird hood... + 2 holes in it  too!!



That is a Z motor. The L motor is taller. I've seen other L motor swaps  with 
the tall scoop. The last Z motor swap I hear about involved lifting the  
body, installing the engine then putting the body back on. The guy sold it. A  
while later he saw it on a car lot. He asked about it and was told it needed a  
clutch. There was no way to get to the clutch without lifting the body off the  
car. The 240Z motor has 150 HP, same as a Solex 2L.
 
keith



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From bubwin at mts.net  Sat Apr 26 08:57:29 2008
From: bubwin at mts.net (Bubba)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:57:29 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
In-Reply-To: <000101c8a792$5cab8eb0$1602ac10$@net>
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	<000101c8a792$5cab8eb0$1602ac10$@net>
Message-ID: <6A1076380E294F76A26F3CE6210C9247@ownerPC>

Look closely, the round holes in the hood are for the carbs.  Likely because 
the L24 sits higher in the frame to clear the cross member given that it's 
mounted forward a bit so less has to stick through the hole cut in the 
firewall.

Bob Winslade
1966-1600 Missy
1967-1600 Bender

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" <9laser3 at bright.net>
To: "'Matthew A. Smith'" <matthews517 at earthlink.net>; 
<datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?


>  Saw a hood like this before.  My guess is the car had a motor swap in 
> it's
> history.
>
> Paul
> Ohio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith
>
> eBay Item number: 270230935964
>
>
> That's weird.but I kinda like it.
>
> Matt
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From nicole at irmforestry.com  Sat Apr 26 08:59:11 2008
From: nicole at irmforestry.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicole Younger=20?=)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:59:11 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Automated Reply from Nicole Younger
 <nicole@irmforestry.com>?=
Message-ID: <200804261459.m3QExB5O022720@blue88.secure-access.net>

I will be out of the office starting April 26th and will be returning May 5th.  
If you are in need of immediate assistance, please contact my office manager, Kathy, at 541-929-3408.

From aiken1315 at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr 26 09:52:05 2008
From: aiken1315 at bellsouth.net (aiken1315 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:52:05 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Trailer Lights Connector Wiring Question
Message-ID: <042620081552.26988.48134FA5000786D90000696C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net>

I built a small cargo trailer to pull behind my roadster to The Mitty.  I have wired the trailer 4-prong wiring connector to my car tail light wires and can not get both the trailer running lights and brake lights to work together.  Blinkers hooked up easily and are good.  There are two wires and a ground wire that go to the tail lights.  Using process of elimination I initially tried wiring the tail light connector wire to each tail light wire separately and they would only worked separately (duh).  I then spliced the wire from the tail light connector and attached each spliced wire to a tail light  wire and still only the brake lights work - no running lights on the trailer.  Any suggestions or experience in getting both to work? I know everyone has experience pulling a trailer with a roadster :>).

David 
Daily driver 66
Rusted, but titled 67.5 and a completely torn down 70 in the garage that my wife keeps asking questions about

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 26 10:19:56 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Automated Reply from Nicole Younger
 <nicole@irmforestry.com>
In-Reply-To: <200804261459.m3QExB5O022720@blue88.secure-access.net>
Message-ID: <663692.26743.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

everyone call Kathy!!!!!

Nicole Younger <nicole at irmforestry.com> wrote:  I will be out of the office starting April 26th and will be returning May 5th. 
If you are in need of immediate assistance, please contact my office manager, Kathy, at 541-929-3408.

From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com  Sat Apr 26 10:58:13 2008
From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Trailer Lights Connector Wiring  Question
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References: <042620081552.26988.48134FA5000786D90000696C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net>
Message-ID: <48135F25.2070704@hornesystemstx.com>

David,

Check the ground wire from the trailer to the Roadster. You mush have a 
good ground to get everything to work correctly.
What I think your Roadster has is a tail light and a separate stop/turn 
light on each side. What I think you are saying is that with the 
stop/turn light hooked up they work as stop and turn, but when you turn 
the headlights on, the tail lights do not work.

If you have separate stop and turn lights, which I believe were only on 
the later Roadsters, then you need an adapter to go from the 4 bulb 
Roadster wiring to the 3 bulb trailer wiring. If need be you can make 
your own with some diodes and save about $10.

Either way, please get back with me and I can walk you through fixing 
your problem.

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake aiken1315 at bellsouth.net:
> I built a small cargo trailer to pull behind my roadster to The Mitty.  I have wired the trailer 4-prong wiring connector to my car tail light wires and can not get both the trailer running lights and brake lights to work together.  Blinkers hooked up easily and are good.  There are two wires and a ground wire that go to the tail lights.  Using process of elimination I initially tried wiring the tail light connector wire to each tail light wire separately and they would only worked separately (duh).  I then spliced the wire from the tail light connector and attached each spliced wire to a tail light  wire and still only the brake lights work - no running lights on the trailer.  Any suggestions or experience in getting both to work? I know everyone has experience pulling a trailer with a roadster :>).
>
> David 
> Daily driver 66
> Rusted, but titled 67.5 and a completely torn down 70 in the garage that my wife keeps asking questions about
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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sat Apr 26 12:07:21 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:07:21 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Mitty trip
Message-ID: <d21.28d31951.3544c959@aol.com>

Hello all,
 
    I'll be leaving for Atlanta from Las Vegas on  Monday to attend the 
Mitty. Looking forward to getting together with the  roadster crowd while I'm 
there. I'm bringing some carb things and would be happy  to do some carb tech 
sessions while I'm there. Since I won't be bringing my car  I'll be looking for 
volunteers to let me tune their carbs. 
 
keith "the slow carb guy" williams



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From pjmill at sonic.net  Sat Apr 26 12:07:41 2008
From: pjmill at sonic.net (pjmill)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:07:41 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Automated Reply from Nicole Younger
 <nicole@irmforestry.com>
In-Reply-To: <663692.26743.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200804261807.m3QI7hDZ009202@a.mail.sonic.net>

Obviously, Nicole is out driving around in her Roadster.... Should we tell
Kathy?

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<nicole at irmforestry.com>

everyone call Kathy!!!!!

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From aiken1315 at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr 26 12:55:40 2008
From: aiken1315 at bellsouth.net (aiken1315 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:55:40 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Trailer Lights Connector Wiring  Question
In-Reply-To: <48135F25.2070704@hornesystemstx.com>
References: <042620081552.26988.48134FA5000786D90000696C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net>
	<48135F25.2070704@hornesystemstx.com>
Message-ID: <042620081855.7805.48137AAC0000893700001E7D22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net>

Pat

 The way my lights are set up is the turn signal is by itself and the  brake and tail light (tail light is on when the lights are turned on) are together.  I think that is the 2nd set up you are describing below which would need an adaptor.  The way it is now, I can either get the tail light (when lights turned on) working or the brake working depending on how I wire it.  Splitting the feed wire from the connector and hooking up to both of those wires independently at the same time isn't working, if that makes sense.

Come back with some suggestions.
David

  -------------- Original message from Pat Horne <roadsters at hornesystemstx.com>: --------------


> David,
> 
> Check the ground wire from the trailer to the Roadster. You mush have a 
> good ground to get everything to work correctly.
> What I think your Roadster has is a tail light and a separate stop/turn 
> light on each side. What I think you are saying is that with the 
> stop/turn light hooked up they work as stop and turn, but when you turn 
> the headlights on, the tail lights do not work.
> 
> If you have separate stop and turn lights, which I believe were only on 
> the later Roadsters, then you need an adapter to go from the 4 bulb 
> Roadster wiring to the 3 bulb trailer wiring. If need be you can make 
> your own with some diodes and save about $10.
> 
> Either way, please get back with me and I can walk you through fixing 
> your problem.
> 
> Peace,
> Pat
> 
> Thusly spake aiken1315 at bellsouth.net:
> > I built a small cargo trailer to pull behind my roadster to The Mitty.  I have 
> wired the trailer 4-prong wiring connector to my car tail light wires and can 
> not get both the trailer running lights and brake lights to work together.  
> Blinkers hooked up easily and are good.  There are two wires and a ground wire 
> that go to the tail lights.  Using process of elimination I initially tried 
> wiring the tail light connector wire to each tail light wire separately and they 
> would only worked separately (duh).  I then spliced the wire from the tail light 
> connector and attached each spliced wire to a tail light  wire and still only 
> the brake lights work - no running lights on the trailer.  Any suggestions or 
> experience in getting both to work? I know everyone has experience pulling a 
> trailer with a roadster :>).
> >
> > David 
> > Daily driver 66
> > Rusted, but titled 67.5 and a completely torn down 70 in the garage that my 
> wife keeps asking questions about
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From aiken1315 at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr 26 13:01:08 2008
From: aiken1315 at bellsouth.net (aiken1315 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:01:08 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Mitty Weather Update
Message-ID: <042620081901.18643.48137BF4000CF117000048D322243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACECCCE020A05070E@att.net>

Weather.com now shows only a 30 % chance of scattered showers for Friday and Saturday and 20 % chance for Sunday.

David

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Sat Apr 26 19:38:33 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:38:33 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
In-Reply-To: <000101c8a792$5cab8eb0$1602ac10$@net>
Message-ID: <000601c8a807$69087ae0$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

The 6 cyl in there, (L24?) looks like it needed the clearance for the
valve cover or the radiator.  It's kind of neat.  Might look good or bad
in person.  Either way, it's unique and relatively well done.

Dave Brisco
ECR

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul [mailto:9laser3 at bright.net] 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:41 AM
To: 'Matthew A. Smith'; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?

  Saw a hood like this before.  My guess is the car had a motor swap in
it's
history.

Paul
Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith

eBay Item number: 270230935964
 

That's weird.but I kinda like it.

Matt

From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com  Sat Apr 26 19:55:10 2008
From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:55:10 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
In-Reply-To: <000601c8a807$69087ae0$6800a8c0@delled48909442>
References: <000601c8a807$69087ae0$6800a8c0@delled48909442>
Message-ID: <4813DCFE.4020604@hornesystemstx.com>

Looks like someone set the engine in, hen noticed that there was no room 
for the radiator. There is no choke or throttle cable, and no fuel 
lines. I'd bet that the drivetrain is just sitting in there.

Anyone know what the length difference is on a Z and 1500 trans? I can't 
tell if there is a shifter in there or not.

Any way, with the front end sitting so low on the dirt, I wonder if the 
frame is still in tact enough to pull it onto a trailer! Rust free 
Arizona car, this isn't!

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake dave:
> The 6 cyl in there, (L24?) looks like it needed the clearance for the
> valve cover or the radiator.  It's kind of neat.  Might look good or bad
> in person.  Either way, it's unique and relatively well done.
>
> Dave Brisco
> ECR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul [mailto:9laser3 at bright.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:41 AM
> To: 'Matthew A. Smith'; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's up with the hood on this car?
>
>   Saw a hood like this before.  My guess is the car had a motor swap in
> it's
> history.
>
> Paul
> Ohio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
> [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith
>
> eBay Item number: 270230935964
>  
>
> That's weird.but I kinda like it.
>
> Matt
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Sat Apr 26 19:58:18 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:58:18 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Automated Reply from Nicole
 Younger<nicole@irmforestry.com>
In-Reply-To: <663692.26743.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101c8a80a$2ab25a10$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

Better get used to seeing this for a week or two  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: oliver [mailto:sumton at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:20 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Automated Reply from Nicole
Younger<nicole at irmforestry.com>

everyone call Kathy!!!!!

Nicole Younger <nicole at irmforestry.com> wrote:  I will be out of the
office starting April 26th and will be returning May 5th. 
If you are in need of immediate assistance, please contact my office
manager, Kathy, at 541-929-3408.

From spl310 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 26 20:48:26 2008
From: spl310 at hotmail.com (sidney raper)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Things that happen while I am out of town...
Message-ID: <BAY105-W10830AFBB8FEFFECBDE76292DF0@phx.gbl>

I go out of town for a week and two Roadsters I
know show up on eBay! Mark has his Zetec car on there (auction
180235120355 - link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Datsun-Datsun-1600-1967-Datsun-Roadster-with-Z
etec-Drivetrain-1600-2000_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6188QQihZ008QQitemZ18023
5120355QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting)




And a local 1965 1500 ( auction 190215488584 - link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190215488584)





Both of these are fantastic cars. I am shocked that they are both CHEAP
right now. Mark's car is a very nice custom that still looks stock to
the untrained eye (until you pop the hood) while Erin's 1500 is as nice
a 2 seat 1500 as you will find. It needs a radio and a driver. Man, I
would love to have her car...

Sidney Raper
1964 1500 (still a project.... sigh....)
1967 SRL311 00076 (alive again!)
Jacksonville Florida
http://www.geocities.com/roadsternut/index.html


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From Tsjecon at aol.com  Sun Apr 27 06:49:33 2008
From: Tsjecon at aol.com (Tsjecon at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:49:33 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] 1965 SPL 310
Message-ID: <d69.295b3e36.3545d05d@aol.com>

Hello. I'm new to Datsun Roadsters and also this board. I've always been a 
Triumph guy but I had an opportunity to acquire a 1500 that had been in a garage 
buried in boxes etc. for 33yrs. The brakes. engine and maybe more are stuck 
but the car was actually(no really)owned by an old lady and has 23000 miles. 
The chrome has evaporated and there's some rust at the bottom of the quarters. 
The interior is pretty good. Still has the plastic on the kick panels etc. I 
have alot of questions but to begin with. a recent post mentioned a 1500 on ebay 
that claims to be a 65 yet there is no mention of third seat(which mine has) 
and the trunk is different. I have a title and original bill of sale stating 
65 so I guess my question is  whether the ebay car is later or has a new trunk 
or is my car earlier.   Thanks Terry



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From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 27 07:01:14 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:01:14 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Cigarette lighter problem
Message-ID: <E1Jq6VH-0004ro-0o@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Everyone,

I know this is trivial, but here goes. I added an aftermarket cigarette
lighter (don't have a center console). I have it wired completely separate
from everything else in the car. (-) is to the firewall and (+) is to the
battery, thru a 30 amp fuse. Here's the problem. That 30 amp fuse blows
every other time I use the lighter. Would it be OK to remove the fuse from
the circuit? The socket is ONLY used for the cigarette lighter. I don't use
any other components in it (charger, light, or stuff like that). Should I
use a fusible link wire so it will blow slower and give the lighter time to
get hot?

Matt

From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sun Apr 27 07:11:41 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:11:41 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] 1965 SPL 310
Message-ID: <c7d.25d91054.3545d58d@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/27/2008 5:50:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
Tsjecon at aol.com writes:

Hello.  I'm new to Datsun Roadsters and also this board. I've always been a  
Triumph guy but I had an opportunity to acquire a 1500 that had been in a  
garage 
buried in boxes etc. for 33yrs. The brakes. engine and maybe more  are stuck 
but the car was actually(no really)owned by an old lady and has  23000 miles. 
The chrome has evaporated and there's some rust at the bottom  of the 
quarters. 
The interior is pretty good. Still has the plastic on the  kick panels etc. I 
have alot of questions but to begin with. a recent post  mentioned a 1500 on 
ebay 
that claims to be a 65 yet there is no mention of  third seat(which mine has) 
and the trunk is different. I have a title and  original bill of sale stating 
65 so I guess my question is  whether  the ebay car is later or has a new 
trunk 
or is my car earlier.    Thanks Terry






Welcome to the crowd. If you haven't found it, check out 311s.org . My  
understanding is that a couple of items changed over the life of the 1500  
production. The earlier had external trunk hinges, three seats, and a single  carb. 
The engine should have a big 1500 cast into the side of the block. Often  the 
title indicates the year first sold rather than the manufacture year. Often  
cars were titled a year or two late. If your cowl plate does not have the  
manufacture year on it there are serial number lists that can identify the year. 
 
After sitting that long you can count on replacing lots of bits in the  
hydraulic clutch and brake system. Prime the engine oil before trying to start. 
 
Where are you located? There are roadster gatherings that are a seriously  
good time.
 
keith



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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Sun Apr 27 07:22:01 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:22:01 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Cigarette lighter problem
Message-ID: <d21.28e0ff01.3545d7f9@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/27/2008 6:01:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
matthews517 at earthlink.net writes:

Hi  Everyone,

I know this is trivial, but here goes. I added an aftermarket  cigarette
lighter (don't have a center console). I have it wired completely  separate
from everything else in the car. (-) is to the firewall and (+) is  to the
battery, thru a 30 amp fuse. Here's the problem. That 30 amp fuse  blows
every other time I use the lighter. Would it be OK to remove the fuse  from
the circuit? The socket is ONLY used for the cigarette lighter. I  don't use
any other components in it (charger, light, or stuff like that).  Should I
use a fusible link wire so it will blow slower and give the  lighter time to
get hot?

Matt



30 amps is a lot of current. Seems like a bunch for a lighter. Since it's  
blowing every other time then it might not be excessive. Double check your  
wiring to make sure you don't have a short. As a test you might remove the  
lighter and it's wiring and hook it directly to the battery. You do want a fuse,  
wires get really hot in a hurry, especially if you are going straight to the  
battery. Having smoke in the cockpit just isn't any fun. Having it continue to  
burn after you turn the key off is even less fun. 
 
keith



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From Tsjecon at aol.com  Sun Apr 27 07:24:33 2008
From: Tsjecon at aol.com (Tsjecon at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:24:33 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] SPL 310
Message-ID: <d00.2d727fe5.3545d891@aol.com>

I figured that like the British cars the dates may be fuzzy regarding date of 
manufacture and sale date. Mine does have V notch with handle on trunk. It is 
two carb. 4 wheel drum brakes. I'll have to go out and look for #s under the 
hood. I picked up the car in southern CT and trailered it back to my home in 
SE Mass. Not sure when I'll get to this project. Have to finish the TR 4A 
first. The Datsun is a really cool car though. 
                                                                              
                  Terry



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From red64lady at comcast.net  Sun Apr 27 07:36:41 2008
From: red64lady at comcast.net (John Capobianco)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:36:41 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] SPL 310
In-Reply-To: <d00.2d727fe5.3545d891@aol.com>
References: <d00.2d727fe5.3545d891@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAF/9plob04dEhqRzcFrDq4TigAAAEAAAAPnlLONVLUNBhYQd7ogsel4BAAAAAA==@comcast.net>

Terry - Sounds like you have a '64. There is a group in New England that
will be a good source of info in addition to this list. It is DRONE (Datsun
Roadster Owners NorthEast). There website is http://www.drone-club.com. Join
the list and you will get info about local events and people in your area.


I figured that like the British cars the dates may be fuzzy regarding date
of manufacture and sale date. Mine does have V notch with handle on trunk.
It is two carb. 4 wheel drum brakes. I'll have to go out and look for #s
under the hood. I picked up the car in southern CT and trailered it back to
my home in SE Mass. Not sure when I'll get to this project. Have to finish
the TR 4A first. The Datsun is a really cool car though. 
 

                  Terry

From Tsjecon at aol.com  Sun Apr 27 07:51:28 2008
From: Tsjecon at aol.com (Tsjecon at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:51:28 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] SPL 310
Message-ID: <d59.1dce3db2.3545dee0@aol.com>

Thanks John and Keith (and all) for your suggestions. Hope to get to it soon
                                                                              
                          Terry



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From tom at datsun2000.com  Sun Apr 27 09:32:17 2008
From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:32:17 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Cigarette lighter problem
Message-ID: <MBEHKLBNELGFFJEJICKGOELNDEAA.tom@datsun2000.com>

Mathew,

Keith is right, ALWAYS install fuse close to the battery or power source
connection when installing accessory items.  Installing a fuse prevents
smoke, followed shortly by foul odors, and a mess to clean up.  Not to
mention possible damage to whatever may be near the burning wires.

New cars today fuse their lighter sockets (or power outlets as the are often
called) at 20 Amps from the factory.  In years past lighter sockets were
often fused at 14 Amps, or in some cases, like the high windshield
roadsters, 20 Amps.  If you are planning to run a laptop from this
connection I would use the 20 Amp fuse.

If you are blowing a 30 Amp fuse I suspect there is something metallic
inside of your socket body, or the lighter plug itself has a serious short
in it or connected to it.  30 Amps is a lot of juice for a small short to
survive.  Most light shorts would burn out rather than blowing a 30 Amp fuse
first.

Tom
69 2000 - Mr. Hyde
Portland
http://www.datsun2000.com
http://www.nowroc.org

On 4/27/2008 6:01:14 AM, Matthew A. Smith (matthews517 at earthlink.net) wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I know this is trivial, but here goes. I added an aftermarket cigarette
> lighter
> (don't have a center console). I have it wired completely separate
> from everything else in the car. (-) is to the firewall and (+) is to the
> battery, thru a 30 amp fuse. Here's
> the problem. That 30 amp fuse blows
> every other time I use the lighter. Would it be OK to remove the fuse
> from
> the circuit? The socket is ONLY used for the cigarette lighter. I don't
use
> any other components in it (charger, light, or stuff like that). Should I
> use a fusible link wire so it will blow slower and give the lighter time
to
> get hot?
>
> Matt

From escanlon at wa-net.com  Mon Apr 28 00:03:18 2008
From: escanlon at wa-net.com (E Scanlon)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Cigarette lighter problem
References: <E1Jq6VH-0004ro-0o@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <008501c8a8f5$8ea34de0$0300a8c0@HPW>

My WAG's:
What gage wire are you using for the + to the battery, and firewall?  I seem 
to recall that the thinner the wire the more resistance (actuall less 
conductivity) it has and therefore potential overload on a fuse.

Also, have you checked that the ground at the firewall is making good 
contact?

Lastly, have you checked that the prong that holds the lighter when it's 
depressed isn't overly tight?  That prong is designed to expand with the 
heat from the lighter element, but sometimes they can be overly tight 
causing the lighter to overheat before it will expand that prong enough to 
release the lighter.  It should be tight enough to hold the lighter against 
it's spring, but loose enough that once it heats up it allows it to pop out 
of the prong (not the holder).

HTH
E

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I know this is trivial, but here goes. I added an aftermarket cigarette
> lighter (don't have a center console). I have it wired completely separate
> from everything else in the car. (-) is to the firewall and (+) is to the
> battery, thru a 30 amp fuse. Here's the problem. That 30 amp fuse blows
> every other time I use the lighter. Would it be OK to remove the fuse from
> the circuit? The socket is ONLY used for the cigarette lighter. I don't 
> use
> any other components in it (charger, light, or stuff like that). Should I
> use a fusible link wire so it will blow slower and give the lighter time 
> to
> get hot?
>
> Matt

From graemes at internode.on.net  Mon Apr 28 01:52:45 2008
From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:22:45 +0930
Subject: [Roadsters] Cigarette lighter problem
In-Reply-To: <E1Jq6VH-0004ro-0o@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1Jq6VH-0004ro-0o@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000301c8a904$d8f7f030$236fa8c0@desktop>

"I know this is trivial, but here goes. I added an aftermarket cigarette
lighter (don't have a center console). I have it wired completely separate
from everything else in the car. (-) is to the firewall and (+) is to the
battery, thru a 30 amp fuse. Here's the problem. That 30 amp fuse blows
every other time I use the lighter. Would it be OK to remove the fuse from
the circuit? The socket is ONLY used for the cigarette lighter. I don't use
any other components in it (charger, light, or stuff like that). Should I
use a fusible link wire so it will blow slower and give the lighter time to
get hot?
Matt"

Matt, sounds like you have done everything right.
Don't, for ANY reason, run this circuit unfused.
It MUST be protected, like any other electrical circuit.
Providing you have tight connections to everything, there should be no
reason for the circuit to draw that much current!!!!
I can't help thinking there must be a problem with the lighter device
itself.
It isn't a 6V lighter is it????
Double the voltage and you need double the current for a given resistance.
Just double check that the chassis of the socket is grounded and the
insulated terminal is the "hot" wire or 12V positive.
It might be worthwhile getting another [12V] one and try that.

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From 9laser3 at bright.net  Mon Apr 28 04:52:54 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:52:54 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Things that happen while I am out of town...
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-W10830AFBB8FEFFECBDE76292DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-W10830AFBB8FEFFECBDE76292DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c8a91e$04ad7a10$0e086e30$@net>

  Odd?  Both auctions ended without selling.

Paul
Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sidney raper
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:48 PM
To: Regular Roadster List
Subject: [Roadsters] Things that happen while I am out of town...

I go out of town for a week and two Roadsters I
know show up on eBay! Mark has his Zetec car on there (auction
180235120355 - link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Datsun-Datsun-1600-1967-Datsun-Roadster-with-
Z
etec-Drivetrain-1600-2000_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6188QQihZ008QQitemZ1802
3
5120355QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting)




And a local 1965 1500 ( auction 190215488584 - link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190215488584)





Both of these are fantastic cars. I am shocked that they are both CHEAP
right now. Mark's car is a very nice custom that still looks stock to
the untrained eye (until you pop the hood) while Erin's 1500 is as nice
a 2 seat 1500 as you will find. It needs a radio and a driver. Man, I
would love to have her car...

Sidney Raper
1964 1500 (still a project.... sigh....)
1967 SRL311 00076 (alive again!)
Jacksonville Florida
http://www.geocities.com/roadsternut/index.html


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From svedise at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 28 09:03:32 2008
From: svedise at hotmail.com (Jim Svedise)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:03:32 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008
Message-ID: <BAY101-DS217353ACD44ED684FDA37B4DE0@phx.gbl>

Here are the pic's I took from Solvang 2008. Great show had a lot if fun.
Thank you very much to all the vendors and people who helped to make it a
great event.


http://community.webshots.com/album/563239223zNNmNL

Jim & Susan Svedise
70 2000

From slowboy at cox.net  Mon Apr 28 09:09:02 2008
From: slowboy at cox.net (SlowBoy)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:09:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] OT Eyeglasses
Message-ID: <002901c8a941$cb92e7f0$0301a8c0@m7170n>

Well, my age has caught up with me and I have to wear glasses for near and
far.

Do any of you purchase your prescription glasses online; are you satisfied
with them? If so, please let me know which online sites you use.

Thank you!

Jim

From drlsmith at dccnet.com  Mon Apr 28 10:52:32 2008
From: drlsmith at dccnet.com (Daryl Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:52:32 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008
References: <BAY101-DS217353ACD44ED684FDA37B4DE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001901c8a950$41246080$4e33cf18@Daryl>

Thanks!
Looks like a great time!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Svedise" <svedise at hotmail.com>
To: "Datsun Club" <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008


> Here are the pic's I took from Solvang 2008. Great show had a lot if fun.
> Thank you very much to all the vendors and people who helped to make it a
> great event.
> 
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/563239223zNNmNL
> 
> Jim & Susan Svedise
> 70 2000

From gogineni.alvin at gene.com  Mon Apr 28 11:05:14 2008
From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:05:14 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008 Pics!!
Message-ID: <00a601c8a952$06df77a0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com>

We had a blast at Solvang! This year we camped at the RV park in Buellton:

Phil was also close by with his tent and roadster, I could hear his FJ
warming up in the am :D 

Friday night we headed over to the gas station museum around 9pm and I
saw/heard a silver roadster whiz by, it had a turbo!! I knew I couldn't
sleep without seeing under the hood. It was a car Kevin Desirello made for a
customer and it was simply CRAZY! Kevin gave me a ride and I was so
overwhelmed I gave him a hug afterwards. THis is the fastest roadster I have
been in, maybe in existence!  

-Eagle eyes will notice a "Spriso" mod with the intake/outlet piping through
the fenders.

In short, it has a S14SR20DET with a disco potato turbo, complete BOLT-in
Ford 8.8. w disc brakes, Z32TT front brakes, fmic, injectors and a stereo
system that made me feel like in was sitting in a Lexus. It hazed the tires
in 1st, 2nd AND 3rd gears!!! Here's short video clip:

 

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34B0D6Ucats

 

It blew my mind. Contact Kevin if you want one!

On to the show, some highlights:

 

-I finally saw the luche libre Panamerica race car:

-Gary Wasserman's super-rare "purple" lightweight roadster:

-Ron gave me a copy of his Hemmings magzine feature, I forgot to make him
sign his autograph!

-ed mason's recent, and brilliant 67.5 SRL completion:

-Tim and Will Miner, 'nuf said:

-new-style panasports

-I enjoyed talking/meeting 311s folks in person, sorry If I missed your car
I has serious heat exhaustion issues.

I heard we had 80+ cars this year, thanks to Jeff T. and co. for putting on
a great show!!!

Enjoy the pics!

 

http://rides.webshots.com/album/563234651HmkKBI

From tom at datsun2000.com  Mon Apr 28 11:25:31 2008
From: tom at datsun2000.com (Tom @ Datsun2000)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:25:31 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DS217353ACD44ED684FDA37B4DE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <MBEHKLBNELGFFJEJICKGOEMBDEAA.tom@datsun2000.com>

Nice pictures.  I like seeing not only the cars, but the atmosphere.

I have added a link to these pictures to the Events page on datsun2000.com.

Checking the links to other events I learned that the Great Race 100th
anniversary New York To Paris race has been postponed due to the Chinese
government recalling the permits for review.  Currently this event is on
hold.  I also added dates and links for the UK and US Cannonball Run events.

On a sadder note I also included a note announcing the demise of the Iron
Bottom.  I thank the organizers for their efforts over the last decade, and
wish I had been able to participate before the good times came to an end.

Tom
69 2000 - Mr. Hyde
Portland
http://www.datsun2000.com
http://www.nowroc.org

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+tom=datsun2000.com at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Jim Svedise
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:04 AM
To: Datsun Club
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008


Here are the pic's I took from Solvang 2008. Great show had a lot if fun.
Thank you very much to all the vendors and people who helped to make it a
great event.


http://community.webshots.com/album/563239223zNNmNL

Jim & Susan Svedise
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From fairlady66 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 28 11:22:48 2008
From: fairlady66 at gmail.com (Chris & Christy Breyer)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:22:48 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang pictures
Message-ID: <b0b0059f0804281022s117b72bfgd8ce805a1fbb82f0@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a slide show from the weekend in Solvang from the eye of my camera.


http://good-times.webshots.com/slideshow/563235222Wzlmix





-- 
'66 1600
Riverside, CA
------------------------------------------------------
This is my second Fairlady...I'm married to the first one.

From haabu at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 28 11:38:18 2008
From: haabu at sbcglobal.net (Herb Petty)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:38:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang
Message-ID: <222146.40099.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good Day to Everyone
  I'd just like to Thank the Organizers of the Solvang show.  I had one of the best times ever.
  Folks, it doesn't get any better than this.   Never any thing negative, only lotsa hugs & hand shakes.    I'm like a cat in a fish store, I don't know where to turn first !   All the cars we're beautiful ,    In my book there's no such thing as an ugly Datsun Roadster.  Please forgive my rambling on,& on.   Again, for those who worked their tails off,  I say, thanks for a great show,.    I'm sure I speak for everyone.
  Have a great day,
   
  Herb Petty
  Yellow 1966.

From Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov  Mon Apr 28 11:45:48 2008
From: Phillip.B.Hall at nasa.gov (Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED03))
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:45:48 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters]  Solvang - Mitty
In-Reply-To: <222146.40099.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <222146.40099.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <85597404D578FB4D8EB4E40AFBECDF76934DC9@NDMSEVS33B.ndc.nasa.gov>

 Well said Herb!  The Mitty is like this - and want to add - Never met a
Roadster "Owner" I did not like!  I will truly miss the Mitty and all
the great folks this year.

Thanks all for the picts of Solvang!!

Next week I hope to see many picts of the Mitty!

Phil
SEROC

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+phillip.b.hall=nasa.gov at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+phillip.b.hall=nasa.gov at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Herb Petty
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:38 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang

Good Day to Everyone
  I'd just like to Thank the Organizers of the Solvang show.  I had one
of the best times ever.
  Folks, it doesn't get any better than this.   Never any thing
negative, only lotsa hugs & hand shakes.    I'm like a cat in a fish
store, I don't know where to turn first !   All the cars we're beautiful
,    In my book there's no such thing as an ugly Datsun Roadster.
Please forgive my rambling on,& on.   Again, for those who worked their
tails off,  I say, thanks for a great show,.    I'm sure I speak for
everyone.
  Have a great day,

  Herb Petty
  Yellow 1966.
_

From Tsjecon at aol.com  Mon Apr 28 15:05:05 2008
From: Tsjecon at aol.com (Tsjecon at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:05:05 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] SPL 310
Message-ID: <be4.2df26ca5.35479601@aol.com>

Thanks again to all that have offered suggestions and steered me to sites for 
info. Although titled and stamped as a 65 I now know it to be a 64. I'll be 
contacting some of you directly.
                                                            Thanks Terry



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From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 28 16:22:26 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:22:26 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Cigarette lighter problem
In-Reply-To: <000301c8a904$d8f7f030$236fa8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <E1Jqbjs-0008Hk-Vf@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thank you for all the replies! I couldn't believe so many folks chimed in. I
will not run this un-fused. The lighter is an aftermarket Pep-Boys $6
special (socket and pull-out). I don't have the packaging anymore, so I
can't be SURE it's not a 6 volt one, but I doubt it. I'm fairly convinced
it's a grounding issue. I'm about to do some changes that should make ALL my
grounds better. I'll update once I'm sure it works. My changes include 2x 4
gauge battery cables. One will be engine to frame. One will be frame to
body. I currently have 2x 10 gauge frame to body wires but I'm not sure how
good the connection is. Now that winter is over, I'll go thru all the ground
points I can find.
Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme [mailto:graemes at internode.on.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:53 AM
To: 'Matthew A. Smith'; datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Cigarette lighter problem

"I know this is trivial, but here goes. I added an aftermarket cigarette
lighter (don't have a center console). I have it wired completely separate
from everything else in the car. (-) is to the firewall and (+) is to the
battery, thru a 30 amp fuse. Here's the problem. That 30 amp fuse blows
every other time I use the lighter. Would it be OK to remove the fuse from
the circuit? The socket is ONLY used for the cigarette lighter. I don't use
any other components in it (charger, light, or stuff like that). Should I
use a fusible link wire so it will blow slower and give the lighter time to
get hot?
Matt"

Matt, sounds like you have done everything right.
Don't, for ANY reason, run this circuit unfused.
It MUST be protected, like any other electrical circuit.
Providing you have tight connections to everything, there should be no
reason for the circuit to draw that much current!!!!
I can't help thinking there must be a problem with the lighter device
itself.
It isn't a 6V lighter is it????
Double the voltage and you need double the current for a given resistance.
Just double check that the chassis of the socket is grounded and the
insulated terminal is the "hot" wire or 12V positive.
It might be worthwhile getting another [12V] one and try that.

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From j.f at cox.net  Mon Apr 28 16:25:48 2008
From: j.f at cox.net (John Friederich)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:25:48 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang - fuel injection
Message-ID: <9CDBEBBF-8435-47E9-AA8E-4C4E4FCAFFAD@cox.net>

I should have been paying closer attention - I talked to a younger lad  
(of course, who isn't any more?) at Solvang who did a fuel injection  
conversion using a Solex manifold with the throttle body, injectors,  
and all other bits and pieces.  He said there is some company doing a  
complete kit for this (maybe minus the manifold).  Does anyone know  
the name of this company, or who the driver was?  Thanks,

John F
LV, NV

From reblues at reblues.net  Mon Apr 28 16:34:48 2008
From: reblues at reblues.net (Richard Brown)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:34:48 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang - fuel injection
References: <9CDBEBBF-8435-47E9-AA8E-4C4E4FCAFFAD@cox.net>
Message-ID: <083301c8a980$118201e0$6501a8c0@ACER4230>

Here is a link to a guy that sells a setup.  He normally comes to the Mitty. 
His company makes these.  I've seen a 510 & a 280 that he has done.

http://www.extrudabody.biz/servlet/the-90/2-dsh-ITB-dsh-KIT-dsh-45mm/Detail

Richard Brown

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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang - fuel injection


>I should have been paying closer attention - I talked to a younger lad
> (of course, who isn't any more?) at Solvang who did a fuel injection
> conversion using a Solex manifold with the throttle body, injectors,
> and all other bits and pieces.  He said there is some company doing a
> complete kit for this (maybe minus the manifold).  Does anyone know
> the name of this company, or who the driver was?  Thanks,
>
> John F
> LV, NV
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From gogineni.alvin at gene.com  Mon Apr 28 16:56:57 2008
From: gogineni.alvin at gene.com (Alvin Gogineni)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:56:57 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang - fuel injection
In-Reply-To: <9CDBEBBF-8435-47E9-AA8E-4C4E4FCAFFAD@cox.net>
References: <9CDBEBBF-8435-47E9-AA8E-4C4E4FCAFFAD@cox.net>
Message-ID: <01a101c8a983$28ffecd0$44b48980@gne.windows.gene.com>

I believe you are talking about Kevin Desirello,
Redline Weber is the company: 
-it's based on a TWM setup, with ITB's that mount directly to Solex manifold
Here's a picture of the setup from last year:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2211459030100628195hfYMTq



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Behalf Of John Friederich
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:26 PM
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Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang - fuel injection

I should have been paying closer attention - I talked to a younger lad  
(of course, who isn't any more?) at Solvang who did a fuel injection  
conversion using a Solex manifold with the throttle body, injectors,  
and all other bits and pieces.  He said there is some company doing a  
complete kit for this (maybe minus the manifold).  Does anyone know  
the name of this company, or who the driver was?  Thanks,

John F
LV, NV
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From Brad at bradstapleton.com  Mon Apr 28 18:22:04 2008
From: Brad at bradstapleton.com (Brad Stapleton)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Headlight question
In-Reply-To: <083301c8a980$118201e0$6501a8c0@ACER4230>
Message-ID: <C43BE26C.F6AF%Brad@bradstapleton.com>

Hi, I'm new to this list but have been enjoying the banter and pictures from
Solvang.

I was wondering what headlights folks were using and if anyone had any
feedback on the type listed on eBay -

MiiG EuroCut HID Kit, DATSUN ROADSTER 1600-2000, 66-70
item number: 320245576049
    
Thanks for any info!

Brad in Cincinnati

'66 2000 swap

From sandhoff at csus.edu  Mon Apr 28 18:58:30 2008
From: sandhoff at csus.edu (John F Sandhoff)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:58:30 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Headlight question
In-Reply-To: <C43BE26C.F6AF%Brad@bradstapleton.com>
References: <083301c8a980$118201e0$6501a8c0@ACER4230>
Message-ID: <48161046.15639.1F56CBF@localhost>

> I was wondering what headlights folks were using and if anyone had any
> feedback on the type listed on eBay -
> 
> MiiG EuroCut HID Kit, DATSUN ROADSTER 1600-2000, 66-70
> item number: 320245576049

1) Just so you're fully aware, these aren't HID. Note the phrase
"HID class".

2) You'll fry the wiring and headlight switch unless you install a
control relay. These things claim to be 130 watts (about 10 amps
per bulb - 20 A total).

-- John
     John F Sandhoff   sandhoff at csus.edu   Sacramento, CA

From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com  Mon Apr 28 19:01:36 2008
From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:01:36 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Headlight question
In-Reply-To: <C43BE26C.F6AF%Brad@bradstapleton.com>
References: <C43BE26C.F6AF%Brad@bradstapleton.com>
Message-ID: <48167370.9090204@hornesystemstx.com>

Brad,

Welcome to the list. There is plenty of data available on this list and 
on www.311s.org. There are also archives of this list.

Most folks go with Hella or Cibe headlights. From looking at the URL you 
listed it seems to me to be snake oil. You can put higher wattage bulbs 
in the Hella or Cibe housings. Check the replacement cost for bulbs 
before you spend you $$ on off brand headlights, some use really 
expensive bulbs that are hard to locate. Also, take a look at the 
seller's feedback. It doesn't seem that he ships very promptly.

That said, if you decide to go with these you shouldn't have the problem 
late model Roadsters have with metal reflector headlights. The metal 
reflector is usually tied to the common lead, which in most cars is 
ground. In the later Roadsters that lead is tied to 12V, which can cause 
things to short out rather quickly. I would, however, suggest that you 
upgrade the headlight relay to be a 30A Hella relay. The factory relay 
is old and not designed to take the extra power that upgraded headlights 
draw. Don't go with the relays that look like Hella that are made in 
China, they don't last very long.

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake Brad Stapleton:
> Hi, I'm new to this list but have been enjoying the banter and pictures from
> Solvang.
>
> I was wondering what headlights folks were using and if anyone had any
> feedback on the type listed on eBay -
>
> MiiG EuroCut HID Kit, DATSUN ROADSTER 1600-2000, 66-70
> item number: 320245576049
>     
> Thanks for any info!
>
> Brad in Cincinnati
>
> '66 2000 swap
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From graemes at internode.on.net  Mon Apr 28 19:26:21 2008
From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:56:21 +0930
Subject: [Roadsters] Headlight question
In-Reply-To: <48161046.15639.1F56CBF@localhost>
References: <083301c8a980$118201e0$6501a8c0@ACER4230>
	<48161046.15639.1F56CBF@localhost>
Message-ID: <000f01c8a998$0a47a610$236fa8c0@desktop>

1) Just so you're fully aware, these aren't HID. Note the phrase "HID
class".

2) You'll fry the wiring and headlight switch unless you install a control
relay. These things claim to be 130 watts (about 10 amps per bulb - 20 A
total).

-- John
True HID[ High Intensity Discharge] uses a ballast box and an igniter box.
http://www.narva.com.au/Globes_24.html
Note that the "spin" says, "...130/110W light output with only 85/80W
current draw".
What that means is that the "light output" is equivalent to a 130W [I=130/12
= 11A draw per side]  but due to the technology used, the input DC current
draw is only 85W [85/12 = 7A draw per side].
Although a more reasonable load current, I support the idea of upgrading the
wiring and using a relay to do the high current switching.
Wire it so that the light switch/column switch only drive the relay and the
relay contacts supply the fused high current supply to the headlamps.
I'm using the Plus 50 globes in my Skyline and they are excellent at night
http://www.narva.com.au/Globes_21.html

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From granvillecomputing at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 28 20:18:45 2008
From: granvillecomputing at hotmail.com (peter harrison)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:18:45 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Sliding Roadster from Solvang 2007
In-Reply-To: <42f068080804281735i983c4a3u4c51b5bf8eb351d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY106-W440DEBF2C9B84C857A63CFDFEA0@phx.gbl>
	<42f068080804152030p3344766dkeb0c9b23db5009cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY106-W39E6FC9C35933A9BAAE71CDFE50@phx.gbl>
	<42f068080804170712x496355c4hc089f7e7765a5df9@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY106-W11E20F763565255DAA9D74DFE10@phx.gbl>
	<42f068080804201851o3c5c6edcq9a41f2cba5e6947d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY106-W255B9E4F19A3C2A5C1050DFDE0@phx.gbl> 
	<42f068080804281735i983c4a3u4c51b5bf8eb351d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W477DE8787FBA4F4008C6CFDFD90@phx.gbl>

Finally have got round to looking at/editing old videos - seem to have got
used to the software finally.
Anyhoo, found this clip from last year - the pace of the car just seemed to
mirror the video capture and the wheels ended up being static, so that the car
looks like it is sliding (as it might do on ice) - i'm sure that there is a
technical reason for it - but it is interesting

check out spl311u on youtube.

Peter

From aultgc at att.net  Tue Apr 29 00:14:47 2008
From: aultgc at att.net (Gary and Cindy Ault)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008
Message-ID: <000801c8a9c0$53f836d0$6402a8c0@gaxp1>

This message is intended primarily for those who have never attended Solvang,
or any other large Datsun roadster gathering.  But I hope those on the List
who contributed to this year's great weekend, led by Jeff and Gabby Torres,
recognize the praise being offered.

This was my first experience with a roadster gathering.  Period.  Wow!  What a
great weekend.  Now, I had just completed the purchase of a beautiful '67-1/2
2000 restored by Paul Gabriel.  So, my wife and I had a roadster to drive to
Solvang.  But, we had such a great time -- all the roadster people are so warm
and genuine -- we will make every effort to go back next year, although
without a roadster.  (It's a long haul from Chicago to Solvang, and, although
I love my roadsters, there's no way I'll drive one across the country again.)

I would encourage anyone who really likes these cars, and wants to be around
others who feel the same way, to go to Solvang in 2009.  I'm on information
overload from all the things I learned, and the connections I made.  Or,
select one of the other gatherings.  You'll have a great time.  But, for my
wife and me, it will be Solvang, so we can see the new friends we made again.

Congratulations to all the Solvang show winners -- what great cars.  To Ed
Mason from New Mexico:  To have seen your "Best of Show" '67-1/2 2000 was a
real treat.

Gary and Cindy Ault
SPL311-05917 (U20)
SRL311-00428

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 29 04:38:19 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Headlight question
In-Reply-To: <C43BE26C.F6AF%Brad@bradstapleton.com>
Message-ID: <E1JqnE1-0006e2-Gk@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Welcome Brad,
I actually own these headlights. They're not currently installed because I
haven't finished the relay project yet. I put them in with the stock wiring
and they were bright, but drew a LOT of power, like folks said. 

Since then I have upgraded to a Delco 10SI 63 amp alternator. Once I get the
relays wired, I'll probably try them again, just because I already own them.

About the seller: They shipped pretty quickly, but the rubber boots that
they said would come with them weren't there. I never did get that resolved.


Headlights are important (especially at night! HAHAHA). Go name brand.

Matt Smith
Chattanooga TN 

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brad Stapleton
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:22 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Headlight question

Hi, I'm new to this list but have been enjoying the banter and pictures from
Solvang.

I was wondering what headlights folks were using and if anyone had any
feedback on the type listed on eBay -

MiiG EuroCut HID Kit, DATSUN ROADSTER 1600-2000, 66-70
item number: 320245576049
    
Thanks for any info!

Brad in Cincinnati

'66 2000 swap

From roadsters at hornesystemstx.com  Tue Apr 29 07:12:12 2008
From: roadsters at hornesystemstx.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:12:12 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Sliding Roadster from Solvang 2007
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W477DE8787FBA4F4008C6CFDFD90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-W440DEBF2C9B84C857A63CFDFEA0@phx.gbl>
	<42f068080804152030p3344766dkeb0c9b23db5009cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY106-W39E6FC9C35933A9BAAE71CDFE50@phx.gbl>
	<42f068080804170712x496355c4hc089f7e7765a5df9@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY106-W11E20F763565255DAA9D74DFE10@phx.gbl>
	<42f068080804201851o3c5c6edcq9a41f2cba5e6947d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY106-W255B9E4F19A3C2A5C1050DFDE0@phx.gbl> 
	<42f068080804281735i983c4a3u4c51b5bf8eb351d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY106-W477DE8787FBA4F4008C6CFDFD90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48171EAC.80108@hornesystemstx.com>

Peter,

What you are referring to is stroboscopic effect. It is the same 
principal as used in a timing light. The camera scans a frame at 30 or 
60 times a second. If the wheel spokes are in the same visual position 
each frame, they will look like they are standing still. I've seen 
movies where the wheels of a car or wagon appear to be turning backward 
because of this effect. It does look really strange!

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake peter harrison:
> Finally have got round to looking at/editing old videos - seem to have got
> used to the software finally.
> Anyhoo, found this clip from last year - the pace of the car just seemed to
> mirror the video capture and the wheels ended up being static, so that the car
> looks like it is sliding (as it might do on ice) - i'm sure that there is a
> technical reason for it - but it is interesting
>
> check out spl311u on youtube.
>
> Peter
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From gkmcc at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 29 07:43:48 2008
From: gkmcc at sbcglobal.net (Gary McCormick)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Sliding Roadster from Solvang 2007 - Gettin OT
In-Reply-To: <48171EAC.80108@hornesystemstx.com>
Message-ID: <236080.19282.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have been wondering for years now why someone in the movie industry hasn't clued in and applied a little CG magic to making the wheels of cars, wagons, chariots, etc. look like they're moving realistically. It couldn't be that hard to do - not compared to some of the things they're doing with CG effects these days...

Gary McCormick
San Jose, CA
Whose Roadster's wheels don't slide or roll or do anything... at the moment.

Pat Horne <roadsters at hornesystemstx.com> wrote: Peter,

What you are referring to is stroboscopic effect. It is the same 
principal as used in a timing light. The camera scans a frame at 30 or 
60 times a second. If the wheel spokes are in the same visual position 
each frame, they will look like they are standing still. I've seen 
movies where the wheels of a car or wagon appear to be turning backward 
because of this effect. It does look really strange!

Peace,
Pat

Thusly spake peter harrison:
> Finally have got round to looking at/editing old videos - seem to have got
> used to the software finally.
> Anyhoo, found this clip from last year - the pace of the car just seemed to
> mirror the video capture and the wheels ended up being static, so that the car
> looks like it is sliding (as it might do on ice) - i'm sure that there is a
> technical reason for it - but it is interesting
>
> check out spl311u on youtube.
>
> Peter
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From Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com  Tue Apr 29 08:25:19 2008
From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com (O'Farrell, Fergus)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:25:19 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
Message-ID: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D9C7E73@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>

During the recent Iron Bottom, I realized that when I sit up straight
(to try and save my lower back), a the rear view mirror is right in my
line of site, and I am continually looking under and sometimes over the
mirror and/or windshield to make sure objects (cars/ motorcycles, cows,
etc) are not in the blind spot created.

My plan is to drill a horizontal hole in the center top latch, and
install an alternate rear view mirror that comes straight out, thereby
placing the rear view mirror in the plane of the windshield frame.

I thought of buying a recent one FS on e-bay, but there are so many hot
rod aftermarket alternatives out there it doesn't seem to make sense,
and I'd have to try and tap/thread the potmetal casting anyway, which
doesn't sound too durable.

I thought of going "dash-top", like the early cars and MG's (blasphemy),
but I am sitting so tall it'd be filled with views of shoulder most of
the time.

Anyone have the height/width measurements on the rear view mirror
off-hand?

Thanks, trying to shop remotely....... (shhhhh)

Fergus O
69 2000
HB, CA

From Brad at bradstapleton.com  Tue Apr 29 10:41:06 2008
From: Brad at bradstapleton.com (Brad Stapleton)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:41:06 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Headlight question
In-Reply-To: <48161046.15639.1F56CBF@localhost>
Message-ID: <C43CC7E2.F6D7%Brad@bradstapleton.com>

Thanks to all for their input!


On 4/28/08 8:58 PM, "John F Sandhoff" <sandhoff at csus.edu> wrote:

> 
>> I was wondering what headlights folks were using and if anyone had any
>> feedback on the type listed on eBay -
>> 
>> MiiG EuroCut HID Kit, DATSUN ROADSTER 1600-2000, 66-70
>> item number: 320245576049
> 
> 1) Just so you're fully aware, these aren't HID. Note the phrase
> "HID class".
> 
> 2) You'll fry the wiring and headlight switch unless you install a
> control relay. These things claim to be 130 watts (about 10 amps
> per bulb - 20 A total).
> 
> -- John
>      John F Sandhoff   sandhoff at csus.edu   Sacramento, CA

From tputland at charter.net  Tue Apr 29 12:58:55 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:58:55 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay #170213906722--any one on this list selling this?
Message-ID: <20080429145856.TA3LM.42962.root@fepweb07>

I asked the seller if it was a four or five speed and didn't receive an answer. 

Does any one, by any chance, know what this tranny is? 

Hell, can you tell from the outside? If so, how? 

 Again, read the last line in my signature if you still have any questions about me! ;-)

TIA

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

From jrdmf at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 13:48:32 2008
From: jrdmf at aol.com (jrdmf at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:48:32 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay #170213906722--any one on this list selling
 this?
In-Reply-To: <20080429145856.TA3LM.42962.root@fepweb07>
References: <20080429145856.TA3LM.42962.root@fepweb07>
Message-ID: <8CA7849238068D5-578-1E6C@webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com>

The drive shaft coupler?would be your easiest clue but of course you can't see much of it in his picture?so between that and?the style of the case it is definitely a 5 speed. 

Jon Frampton
Huntington Beach Ca


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Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:58 am
Subject: [Roadsters] ebay #170213906722--any one on this list selling this?



I asked the seller if it was a four or five speed and didn't receive an answer. 

Does any one, by any chance, know what this tranny is? 

Hell, can you tell from the outside? If so, how? 

 Again, read the last line in my signature if you still have any questions about 
me! ;-)

TIA

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning
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From stebharvey at ameritech.net  Tue Apr 29 14:39:30 2008
From: stebharvey at ameritech.net (steb)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Roadsters] Spring fever river run
Message-ID: <000c01c8aa39$20c8afa0$0574fea9@steb1>

Group,
 
I'm planning a Saturday/Sunday Mississippi River run sometime in June
starting in Milwaukee and ending along the WI, IL, IA, MN border area.
If anyone would like to join us let me know. Given current gas prices
driving the roadster somewhere this summer is the cheapest way to go.
 
Steve
Milwaukee

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Tue Apr 29 18:32:45 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:32:45 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang - fuel injection
In-Reply-To: <9CDBEBBF-8435-47E9-AA8E-4C4E4FCAFFAD@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c8aa59$b6ddf570$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

It's mentioned in this article, but I couldn't find much on a casual
search.  Also a great article in general.

http://www.grmotorsports.com/backissues/datsun-2000-roadster.php

Dave Brisco
ECR


-----Original Message-----
From: John Friederich [mailto:j.f at cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:26 PM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang - fuel injection

I should have been paying closer attention - I talked to a younger lad  
(of course, who isn't any more?) at Solvang who did a fuel injection  
conversion using a Solex manifold with the throttle body, injectors,  
and all other bits and pieces.  He said there is some company doing a  
complete kit for this (maybe minus the manifold).  Does anyone know  
the name of this company, or who the driver was?  Thanks,

John F
LV, NV

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Tue Apr 29 18:45:25 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:45:25 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008
In-Reply-To: <000801c8a9c0$53f836d0$6402a8c0@gaxp1>
Message-ID: <000001c8aa5b$7bb69bd0$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

Gary,Watkins Glen is closer to Chicago, Only 640 miles, an easy 10
hours.  Between breakdowns, coffee stops (followed by men's room stops),
lunch and getting lost, we spent about 7 hours for what should have been
a 4 hour ride, and it was easy.  Ride back in the downpour was a bit
less fun.

Dave Brisco
ECR

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary and Cindy Ault [mailto:aultgc at att.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:15 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008

This message is intended primarily for those who have never attended
Solvang,
or any other large Datsun roadster gathering.  But I hope those on the
List
who contributed to this year's great weekend, led by Jeff and Gabby
Torres,
recognize the praise being offered.

This was my first experience with a roadster gathering.  Period.  Wow!
What a
great weekend.  Now, I had just completed the purchase of a beautiful
'67-1/2
2000 restored by Paul Gabriel.  So, my wife and I had a roadster to
drive to
Solvang.  But, we had such a great time -- all the roadster people are
so warm
and genuine -- we will make every effort to go back next year, although
without a roadster.  (It's a long haul from Chicago to Solvang, and,
although
I love my roadsters, there's no way I'll drive one across the country
again.)

I would encourage anyone who really likes these cars, and wants to be
around
others who feel the same way, to go to Solvang in 2009.  I'm on
information
overload from all the things I learned, and the connections I made.  Or,
select one of the other gatherings.  You'll have a great time.  But, for
my
wife and me, it will be Solvang, so we can see the new friends we made
again.

Congratulations to all the Solvang show winners -- what great cars.  To
Ed
Mason from New Mexico:  To have seen your "Best of Show" '67-1/2 2000
was a
real treat.

Gary and Cindy Ault
SPL311-05917 (U20)
SRL311-00428

From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Tue Apr 29 18:53:19 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
In-Reply-To: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D9C7E73@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <000101c8aa5c$966d0760$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

I'm going with a Sabb 900 mirror, has a map/dome light on the
front(back).  I would guess anything mounted much higher than stock and
the top latch will probably hit it.  I'm the same, I feel I'm almost
looking over the windshield on my 69, but my seat is a bit high.  The
dash mirror thing might work, maybe a rod mount, then if the top is on,
you could drop it down.  The rod mount looks classic too.

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Farrell, Fergus [mailto:Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:25 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims

During the recent Iron Bottom, I realized that when I sit up straight
(to try and save my lower back), a the rear view mirror is right in my
line of site, and I am continually looking under and sometimes over the
mirror and/or windshield to make sure objects (cars/ motorcycles, cows,
etc) are not in the blind spot created.

My plan is to drill a horizontal hole in the center top latch, and
install an alternate rear view mirror that comes straight out, thereby
placing the rear view mirror in the plane of the windshield frame.

I thought of buying a recent one FS on e-bay, but there are so many hot
rod aftermarket alternatives out there it doesn't seem to make sense,
and I'd have to try and tap/thread the potmetal casting anyway, which
doesn't sound too durable.

I thought of going "dash-top", like the early cars and MG's (blasphemy),
but I am sitting so tall it'd be filled with views of shoulder most of
the time.

Anyone have the height/width measurements on the rear view mirror
off-hand?

Thanks, trying to shop remotely....... (shhhhh)

Fergus O
69 2000
HB, CA

From davesmbox at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 19:01:41 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:01:41 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
In-Reply-To: <000101c8aa5c$966d0760$6800a8c0@delled48909442>
Message-ID: <8CA7874E2852534-1984-308A@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>

I am still at a lost as to why people want to bastardize these cars. If you want a Saab mirror than buy a Saab. If you want a V8 than buy a tiger.There are too few of these left to crossbreed with miatas and ford V8s
Just my thoughts,
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: dave <daveandlindab at comcast.net>
To: 'O'Farrell, Fergus' <Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com>
Cc: Datsun-Roadsters at Autox. Team. Net <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims



I'm going with a Sabb 900 mirror, has a map/dome light on the
front(back).  I would guess anything mounted much higher than stock and
the top latch will probably hit it.  I'm the same, I feel I'm almost
looking over the windshield on my 69, but my seat is a bit high.  The
dash mirror thing might work, maybe a rod mount, then if the top is on,
you could drop it down.  The rod mount looks classic too.

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Farrell, Fergus [mailto:Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:25 AM
To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims

During the recent Iron Bottom, I realized that when I sit up straight
(to try and save my lower back), a the rear view mirror is right in my
line of site, and I am continually looking under and sometimes over the
mirror and/or windshield to make sure objects (cars/ motorcycles, cows,
etc) are not in the blind spot created.

My plan is to drill a horizontal hole in the center top latch, and
install an alternate rear view mirror that comes straight out, thereby
placing the rear view mirror in the plane of the windshield frame.

I thought of buying a recent one FS on e-bay, but there are so many hot
rod aftermarket alternatives out there it doesn't seem to make sense,
and I'd have to try and tap/thread the potmetal casting anyway, which
doesn't sound too durable.

I thought of going "dash-top", like the early cars and MG's (blasphemy),
but I am sitting so tall it'd be filled with views of shoulder most of
the time.

Anyone have the height/width measurements on the rear view mirror
off-hand?

Thanks, trying to shop remotely....... (shhhhh)

Fergus O
69 2000
HB, CA
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From msedlack at neo.rr.com  Tue Apr 29 19:17:06 2008
From: msedlack at neo.rr.com (Mark Sedlack)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:17:06 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
References: <8CA7874E2852534-1984-308A@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c8aa5f$e8ba07e0$6501a8c0@p53ghzduo>

Dave,
Do you like fishing?  Because your remarks look suspiciously like trolling 
to me.  But I'll take the bait anyway.

Our '66 1600 has a 4.3L Chevy V6, close range Borg-Warner 5-speed, and a 
Mustang GT axle.  It has Nismo suspension, has been widened 2.5" at the 
rear, an aluminum interior, custom sound system, and a satin paint job...and 
I wouldn't have it any other way.

Its my car, I built it, and I love driving the stink out of it.  If you want 
to keep yours bone stock, then that's your perogative, and I'll be the first 
to comment on its perfection.  But please don't begin to pontificate about 
the virtues of purity.

I saved mine from a crusher, as did many on the list.

Mark Sedlack
ZROC
Cuyahoga Falls OH
66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/
77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/

----- Original Message ----- 

From: <davesmbox at aol.com>
To: <daveandlindab at comcast.net>
Cc: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims


>I am still at a lost as to why people want to bastardize these cars. If you 
>want a Saab mirror than buy a Saab. If you want a V8 than buy a tiger.There 
>are too few of these left to crossbreed with miatas and ford V8s
> Just my thoughts,
> Dave

From davesmbox at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 19:29:29 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:29:29 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8aa5f$e8ba07e0$6501a8c0@p53ghzduo>
References: <8CA7874E2852534-1984-308A@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
	<002a01c8aa5f$e8ba07e0$6501a8c0@p53ghzduo>
Message-ID: <8CA7878C4CCB39A-1984-322D@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>

Nope don't fish.
And there was no "pontification"
As I stated "JUST MY THOUGHTS"
There was no soap box just my thoughts on a free and open forum for the free exchange of idea's and opinions. ROADSTER related of coarse.
We all love our cars.
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sedlack <msedlack at neo.rr.com>
To: daveandlindab at comcast.net; davesmbox at aol.com
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims



Dave,
Do you like fishing?  Because your remarks look suspiciously like trolling 
to me.  But I'll take the bait anyway.

Our '66 1600 has a 4.3L Chevy V6, close range Borg-Warner 5-speed, and a 
Mustang GT axle.  It has Nismo suspension, has been widened 2.5" at the 
rear, an aluminum interior, custom sound system, and a satin paint job...and 
I wouldn't have it any other way.

Its my car, I built it, and I love driving the stink out of it.  If you want 
to keep yours bone stock, then that's your perogative, and I'll be the first 
to comment on its perfection.  But please don't begin to pontificate about 
the virtues of purity.

I saved mine from a crusher, as did many on the list.

Mark Sedlack
ZROC
Cuyahoga Falls OH
66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/
77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/

----- Original Message ----- 

From: <davesmbox at aol.com>
To: <daveandlindab at comcast.net>
Cc: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims


>I am still at a lost as to why people want to bastardize these cars. If you 
>want a Saab mirror than buy a Saab. If you want a V8 than buy a tiger.There 
>are too few of these left to crossbreed with miatas and ford V8s
> Just my thoughts,
> Dave
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From cookefam314 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 29 19:41:57 2008
From: cookefam314 at yahoo.com (Dave Cooke)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] from Chicago to Solvang
Message-ID: <248199.94010.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gary & Cindy,
       I was reading your Roadster post about your Solvang trip and you noted that you're from Chicago. It's good to hear there's another Midwest Roadster owner. What part of Chicago are you from? I'm out in the far northwest suburbs in Lake in The Hills and own a 69 1600. I've been tracking midwest roadster owners for a few years now and it's always encouraging to hear we have another roadster in our area, I've only spotted 2 out here in the last 18 years! Although by my count, there are over 25 roadster owners here in the midwest states.
       Anyways, just wanted to say Hello, and hope to see your ride some day. I too took a trip out to Solvang to get my roadster fix last year, and had a great time seeing so many roadsters in one place...,maybe someday soon we could get a midwest gathering of our own.
   
  Dave Cooke
  1969 1600
  Lake In The HIlls, IL
   
  ------------------------------
  Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:14:47 -0500
From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" <aultgc at att.net>
Subject: [Roadsters] Solvang 2008
To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801c8a9c0$53f836d0$6402a8c0 at gaxp1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

This message is intended primarily for those who have never attended
 Solvang,
or any other large Datsun roadster gathering.  But I hope those on the
 List
who contributed to this year's great weekend, led by Jeff and Gabby
 Torres,
recognize the praise being offered.

This was my first experience with a roadster gathering.  Period.  Wow!
  What a
great weekend.  Now, I had just completed the purchase of a beautiful
 '67-1/2
2000 restored by Paul Gabriel.  So, my wife and I had a roadster to
 drive to
Solvang.  But, we had such a great time -- all the roadster people are
 so warm
and genuine -- we will make every effort to go back next year, although
without a roadster.  (It's a long haul from Chicago to Solvang, and,
 although
I love my roadsters, there's no way I'll drive one across the country
 again.)

I would encourage anyone who really likes these cars, and wants to be
 around
others who feel the same way, to go to Solvang in 2009.  I'm on
 information
overload from all the things I learned, and the connections I made.
  Or,
select one of the other gatherings.  You'll have a great time.  But,
 for my
wife and me, it will be Solvang, so we can see the new friends we made
 again.

Congratulations to all the Solvang show winners -- what great cars.  To
 Ed
Mason from New Mexico:  To have seen your "Best of Show" '67-1/2 2000
 was a
real treat.

Gary and Cindy Ault
SPL311-05917 (U20)
SRL311-00428
  ------------------------------


       
---------------------------------
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From jake7140 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 29 20:21:38 2008
From: jake7140 at yahoo.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:21:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Midwest Roadsters
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10388.1209519693.1200.datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <822282.8165.qm@web37904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dave,
I guess I'm one of those 25!  Mine was driven around Racine last year
quite a bit while trying to get it tuned, kids to soccer, grocery
runs, back and forth to Milwaukee a couple times, then to Road
America, then at RA on track. The comp suspension does get tough on
the back after a while!

This year we're building a real race engine, so I don't know that it
will see much street action anymore except at Elkhart Lake (110
octane $$$) which I am sad about.  Guess I'll just have to find
another one!  Maybe I'll get down your way to Blackhawk and/or
AutoBahn though, we'll have to see what this busy summer allows.

> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dave Cooke <cookefam314 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Roadsters] from Chicago to Solvang
> To: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <248199.94010.qm at web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Gary & Cindy,
>        I was reading your Roadster post about your Solvang trip and
> you noted that you're from Chicago. It's good to hear there's
> another Midwest Roadster owner. What part of Chicago are you from?
> I'm out in the far northwest suburbs in Lake in The Hills and own a
> 69 1600. I've been tracking midwest roadster owners for a few years
> now and it's always encouraging to hear we have another roadster in
> our area, I've only spotted 2 out here in the last 18 years!
> Although by my count, there are over 25 roadster owners here in the
> midwest states.
>        Anyways, just wanted to say Hello, and hope to see your ride
> some day. I too took a trip out to Solvang to get my roadster fix
> last year, and had a great time seeing so many roadsters in one
> place...,maybe someday soon we could get a midwest gathering of our
> own.
>    
>   Dave Cooke
>   1969 1600
>   Lake In The HIlls, IL
 
-------------------------------------------------

Steve,
Depending on the state of the car, I would love to at least go
partway west with you.  Can't do the whole deal, but some is better
than none!  I'm planning to have the new engine in sometime in
June/July, so I'll either have something that needs "breaking in"...
or a rdoorstop.


> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:39:30 -0500
> From: "steb" <stebharvey at ameritech.net>
> Subject: [Roadsters] Spring fever river run
> To: <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
> Message-ID: <000c01c8aa39$20c8afa0$0574fea9 at steb1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Group,
>  
> I'm planning a Saturday/Sunday Mississippi River run sometime in
> June
> starting in Milwaukee and ending along the WI, IL, IA, MN border
> area.
> If anyone would like to join us let me know. Given current gas
> prices
> driving the roadster somewhere this summer is the cheapest way to
> go.
>  
> Steve
> Milwaukee



Steve
 
Steve's Racing web site
  www.NoNameRacing.com
Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society home
  www.elrss.com

From dato1500 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 29 20:25:55 2008
From: dato1500 at hotmail.com (Peter Jones)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:25:55 +0800
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
In-Reply-To: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D9C7E73@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
References: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D9C7E73@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <BLU141-W32BA7379E3241CF18EB25ED5D80@phx.gbl>

I am just going flick the centre mirrow as it is not needed if you have two
side mirrors. Plus I am 6'3'' and all I get is shoulders in the centre mirror
anyway.

Peter j
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:25:19 -0500> From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com> To:
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view
mirror dims> > During the recent Iron Bottom, I realized that when I sit up
straight> (to try and save my lower back), a the rear view mirror is right in
my> line of site, and I am continually looking under and sometimes over the>
mirror and/or windshield to make sure objects (cars/ motorcycles, cows,> etc)
are not in the blind spot created.> > My plan is to drill a horizontal hole in
the center top latch, and> install an alternate rear view mirror that comes
straight out, thereby> placing the rear view mirror in the plane of the
windshield frame.> > I thought of buying a recent one FS on e-bay, but there
are so many hot> rod aftermarket alternatives out there it doesn't seem to
make sense,> and I'd have to try and tap/thread the potmetal casting anyway,
which> doesn't sound too durable.> > I thought of going "dash-top", like the
early cars and MG's (blasphemy),> but I am sitting so tall it'd be filled with
views of shoulder most of> the time.> > Anyone have the height/width
measurements on the rear view mirror> off-hand?> > Thanks, trying to shop
remotely....... (shhhhh)> > Fergus O> 69 2000> HB, CA>
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From ljordan704 at netscape.net  Tue Apr 29 20:30:56 2008
From: ljordan704 at netscape.net (ljordan704 at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:30:56 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
In-Reply-To: <BLU141-W32BA7379E3241CF18EB25ED5D80@phx.gbl>
References: <C1FC0C23238434458EAA75349E6C755D9C7E73@XMBTX142.northgrum.com>
	<BLU141-W32BA7379E3241CF18EB25ED5D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CA788158B2CD41-185C-3895@webmail-nb19.sysops.aol.com>

I'm 5'7" and all I get is the front license plate of a Lincoln 
Navigator and such.
Linda
68 1600


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Jones <dato1500 at hotmail.com>
To: O'Farrell, Fergus <fergus.ofarrell at ngc.com>; 
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 7:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims

I am just going flick the centre mirrow as it is not needed if you have 
two
side mirrors. Plus I am 6'3'' and all I get is shoulders in the centre 
mirror
anyway.

Peter j
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:25:19 -0500> From: Fergus.OFarrell at ngc.com> 
To:
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view
mirror dims> > During the recent Iron Bottom, I realized that when I 
sit up
straight> (to try and save my lower back), a the rear view mirror is 
right in
my> line of site, and I am continually looking under and sometimes over 
the>
mirror and/or windshield to make sure objects (cars/ motorcycles, 
cows,> etc)
are not in the blind spot created.> > My plan is to drill a horizontal 
hole in
the center top latch, and> install an alternate rear view mirror that 
comes
straight out, thereby> placing the rear view mirror in the plane of the
windshield frame.> > I thought of buying a recent one FS on e-bay, but 
there
are so many hot> rod aftermarket alternatives out there it doesn't seem 
to
make sense,> and I'd have to try and tap/thread the potmetal casting 
anyway,
which> doesn't sound too durable.> > I thought of going "dash-top", 
like the
early cars and MG's (blasphemy),> but I am sitting so tall it'd be 
filled with
views of shoulder most of> the time.> > Anyone have the height/width
measurements on the rear view mirror> off-hand?> > Thanks, trying to 
shop
remotely....... (shhhhh)> > Fergus O> 69 2000> HB, CA>
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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 20:36:52 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:36:52 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Check out mittypics
Message-ID: <cda.2c8dc618.35493544@aol.com>

Hello all,
 
    I'll post pictures as I go along. Sorry, no  roadster pictures today, 
just a couple beaters I saw on the side of the  road.
 
 
_Click  here: mittypics_ 
(http://members.aol.com/roadsterranch/mitty/mittypics.html)  
 
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From vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 29 21:06:59 2008
From: vociferouschicanery at yahoo.com (steven boortz)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Check out mittypics
Message-ID: <538314.19129.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

i hope the daytona coupe is a reproduction.  can you imagine someone painting those flames on one of the original cars?

675MIZU

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Subject: [Roadsters] Check out mittypics

Hello all,
 
    I'll post pictures as I go along. Sorry, no  roadster pictures today, 
just a couple beaters I saw on the side of the  road.
 
 
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Tue Apr 29 23:32:24 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:32:24 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
In-Reply-To: <005701c8aa6b$87217ac0$f13fcf18@Daryl>
Message-ID: <000001c8aa83$95244900$6800a8c0@delled48909442>

Dave, 
I can see your point of leaving in the stock mirror, a blind spot is a
nice feature to retain

I was thinking of keeping all those stock parts...
Clutch fan, bias ply tires, incandescent headlights, organic brake pads,
points, air pump, smog distributor, POS trans mount and of course the
factory stock 5th gear retainer but I was just in a silly mood that day,
took a whole bunch of cough medicine and figured I'd rip all those great
parts out and toss in some random crap from around the garage.  Still
working on getting the Edsel grille in there.

The mirror in my car is losing it's silver, Saab mirror is a day/night,
mounts without modifying any precious factory parts and a map light
would be a nice addition because I actually drive my car.


Glad I didn't get sarcastic.

Dave, not that Dave, he other one.
East Coast Roadster

>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> From: <davesmbox at aol.com>
>>I am still at a lost as to why people want to bastardize these cars.
If 
>>you
>>want a Saab mirror than buy a Saab. If you want a V8 than buy a 
>>tiger.There
>>are too few of these left to crossbreed with miatas and ford V8s
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Dave

From hhswan at bigpond.net.au  Wed Apr 30 01:13:23 2008
From: hhswan at bigpond.net.au (Swan Lake Tourist Village)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:13:23 +1000
Subject: [Roadsters] Wanted
Message-ID: <000101c8aa91$ad39b800$6701a8c0@user7d92d196c0>

I'm after a complete grill for a 68 2000 roadster, has anyone got one the
want to sell?

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From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 30 04:05:13 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:05:13 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror dims)
In-Reply-To: <8CA7878C4CCB39A-1984-322D@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1Jr9BW-0000Nu-C5@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Personally, I like stock roadsters. If I were 5'5" and 130 lbs, and fit into
my roadster with room to spare, I'd probably have mine stock. I'm 6'1" and
over 260 lbs. I have made "adjustments".
I've owned several Mustangs. Some bone stock, some "exaggerated". The
"exaggerated" ones were more fun to drive!

In my honest opinion, if you like to drive your Roadster, by all means, keep
it stock. If you like to "drive the livin' hell" out of your roadster,
there's no reason NOT to make "adjustments". Inside every American, there's
a little bit of "hot rodder". It's the culture we grew up with.

Automotive Technology has advanced some since these cars were designed. Had
Nissan decided to put on rear disk brakes, there would be no reason for a
Volvo swap. Had they put in a decent alternator, there would be no reason
for a 10SI Delco swap. Had they put on fuel injection, there would be no
need to fuss with my finicky Solexes. Had they put in electronic ignition, I
wouldn't have a Boone EI. Finally, if they had put longer rails in the seat
adjusters, I wouldn't have 4 extra holes in the floor board! HAHAHA!

A museum piece, a trailer queen, a touring car? They're all beautiful. A
really fast "old school" Datsun that will dust a Corvette off the line and
put a big ol' s**t eatin' grin on your face? PRICELESS!  :-)

All in fun! No offense to anyone!
Matt Smith


-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of davesmbox at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:29 PM
To: msedlack at neo.rr.com
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims

Nope don't fish.
And there was no "pontification"
As I stated "JUST MY THOUGHTS"
There was no soap box just my thoughts on a free and open forum for the free
exchange of idea's and opinions. ROADSTER related of coarse.
We all love our cars.
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sedlack <msedlack at neo.rr.com>
To: daveandlindab at comcast.net; davesmbox at aol.com
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims



Dave,
Do you like fishing?  Because your remarks look suspiciously like trolling 
to me.  But I'll take the bait anyway.

Our '66 1600 has a 4.3L Chevy V6, close range Borg-Warner 5-speed, and a 
Mustang GT axle.  It has Nismo suspension, has been widened 2.5" at the 
rear, an aluminum interior, custom sound system, and a satin paint job...and

I wouldn't have it any other way.

Its my car, I built it, and I love driving the stink out of it.  If you want

to keep yours bone stock, then that's your perogative, and I'll be the first

to comment on its perfection.  But please don't begin to pontificate about 
the virtues of purity.

I saved mine from a crusher, as did many on the list.

Mark Sedlack
ZROC
Cuyahoga Falls OH
66 1600 http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/
77 280Z http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Wed Apr 30 04:25:31 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:25:31 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Check out mittypics
In-Reply-To: <538314.19129.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <538314.19129.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8aaac$85e47d60$91ad7820$@net>

  Replicas.  The photo was taken across the street from Road Atlanta.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+9laser3=bright.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of steven boortz

i hope the daytona coupe is a reproduction.  can you imagine someone
painting those flames on one of the original cars?

675MIZU

----- Original Message ----
From: "Keith0alan at aol.com" <Keith0alan at aol.com>

Hello all,
 
    I'll post pictures as I go along. Sorry, no  roadster pictures today, 
just a couple beaters I saw on the side of the  road.
 
 
_Click  here: mittypics_ 
(http://members.aol.com/roadsterranch/mitty/mittypics.html)  
 
keith

From CBrucciani at archinsurance.com  Wed Apr 30 06:11:51 2008
From: CBrucciani at archinsurance.com (Brucciani, Chris)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:11:51 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] OT- Removing 240Z "Eyeball" Vents
Message-ID: <4E47814C897249439B399307D555B45B8B70D6@nwkexch04.corp.archcapservices.com>

Can anyone tell me how to remove the heating and air interior "eyeball"
vents from a 240Z?  I just bought new ones from Motorsport.

Roadster related - I will be at the Mitty in spirit but can't make it
this year.  I hope that the weather holds out and ya'll have a great
time.

Chris Brucciani
Marietta, GA
1973 240Z
1995 Miata
1998 540i6



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From graemes at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 30 06:19:54 2008
From: graemes at internode.on.net (Graeme)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:49:54 +0930
Subject: [Roadsters] OT- Removing 240Z "Eyeball" Vents
In-Reply-To: <4E47814C897249439B399307D555B45B8B70D6@nwkexch04.corp.archcapservices.com>
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"Can anyone tell me how to remove the heating and air interior "eyeball"
vents from a 240Z?  I just bought new ones from Motorsport."

If they are anything like a 510, and I think they are, rotate them so they
are edge on, grasp them firmly and PULL.
Insert the new ones egde on and then rotate them to seat them inside the
dash.

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From erik.isaksen at gmail.com  Wed Apr 30 06:22:28 2008
From: erik.isaksen at gmail.com (Eric A. Isaacson)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:22:28 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Header bracket?
Message-ID: <002501c8aabc$dc2e6220$6401a8c0@zeke>

Greetings,
 
The factory manifolds for the 1968 1600 have a bracket on the lower section
of the manifold to mount to the alternator bracket for support as well as a
mounting location for a heat shield to protect the alternator.
 
I have not noticed a header that has this same bracket.  Has anyone added a
bracket to a header for this purpose?  Is it necessary to prevent stress
cracks in the header?  What are the effects, if any, for not having the
lower bracket?
 
Thoughts?
 
Thank you,

Eric Isaacson

Fort Wayne, IN

1968 Datsun 1600 Sports


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From Keith0alan at aol.com  Wed Apr 30 06:30:59 2008
From: Keith0alan at aol.com (Keith0alan at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:30:59 EDT
Subject: [Roadsters] Header bracket?
Message-ID: <be6.24fe2c88.3549c083@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/30/2008 5:23:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
erik.isaksen at gmail.com writes:

Greetings,

The factory manifolds for the 1968 1600 have a  bracket on the lower section
of the manifold to mount to the alternator  bracket for support as well as a
mounting location for a heat shield to  protect the alternator.

I have not noticed a header that has this same  bracket.  Has anyone added a
bracket to a header for this  purpose?  Is it necessary to prevent stress
cracks in the  header?  What are the effects, if any, for not having the
lower  bracket?

Thoughts?

Thank you,

Eric Isaacson

Fort  Wayne, IN

1968 Datsun 1600 Sports





The stock manifold/header was made out of a high nickel, almost stainless,  
alloy and were fabricated from pieces. They tended to crack as they do not  
stress relieve when heat cycled. Most tube headers are mild steel and do not  
have this problem. I haven't heard of the stainless aftermarket headers having a  
cracking problem either.
 
keith



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From tputland at charter.net  Wed Apr 30 06:55:26 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 5:55:26 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Late car Rear view mirror dims
In-Reply-To: <8CA788158B2CD41-185C-3895@webmail-nb19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080430085526.QA7VM.409556.root@fepweb09>

lol...very funny...and very tragic. Those big ass things should be outlawed. Or make them all drive in the far right lane!

And I am 6" 5" and if I had a short windshield car I would need to wear goggles or something.

Getting the other running Roadster out of storage this week and also finally bringing home the other part car. Woo hoo

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- ljordan704 at netscape.net wrote: 

=============
I'm 5'7" and all I get is the front license plate of a Lincoln 
Navigator and such.
Linda
68 1600

From tputland at charter.net  Wed Apr 30 08:45:24 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 7:45:24 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] OT--but I had to pass this offer along
Message-ID: <20080430104524.G5FJL.412907.root@fepweb09>

Just when you thought you had seen it all. The Milwaukee Brewers have an offer you should not pass up if you are over 40. Worth the read, good for a laugh. 

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=745267


Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

From alvingogi at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 30 09:54:35 2008
From: alvingogi at hotmail.com (alvin gogineni)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:54:35 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
In-Reply-To: <E1Jr9BW-0000Nu-C5@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <8CA7878C4CCB39A-1984-322D@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
	<E1Jr9BW-0000Nu-C5@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BLU106-W1840261DA1175646932721B5D80@phx.gbl>

Show me a stock engined roadster that will "dust a Corvette off the line".
The last 'vette I saw ran a 12.3s 1/4 mile and it was bone-stock. Alvin
GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20. A really fast "old school" Datsun that will
dust a Corvette off the line and put a big ol' s**t eatin' grin on your face?
PRICELESS! :-)
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From davesmbox at aol.com  Wed Apr 30 10:04:44 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:04:44 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W1840261DA1175646932721B5D80@phx.gbl>
References: <8CA7878C4CCB39A-1984-322D@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
	<E1Jr9BW-0000Nu-C5@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<BLU106-W1840261DA1175646932721B5D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CA78F30A2A6AF2-1198-4D0@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com>

I really enjoyed this thread. I guess I lost the argument. The modified people won.
I have been so motivated for the modification side that I am going to buy a bucket of BERH paint and a roller at home depot and head to the Museum of Fine Art and "MODIFY" some of those outdated old paintings that can't compete with a fine digital print. How can Monet compete wit 7 megapixels?
The Mods Win.
Dave M


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From: alvin gogineni <alvingogi at hotmail.com>
To: Matthew A. Smith <matthews517 at earthlink.net>; davesmbox at aol.com; msedlack at neo.rr.com
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror dims)



Show me a stock engined roadster that will "dust a Corvette off the line".
The last 'vette I saw ran a 12.3s 1/4 mile and it was bone-stock. Alvin
GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20. A really fast "old school" Datsun that will
dust a Corvette off the line and put a big ol' s**t eatin' grin on your face?
PRICELESS! :-)
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From tputland at charter.net  Wed Apr 30 10:31:24 2008
From: tputland at charter.net (Tim)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 9:31:24 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
In-Reply-To: <8CA78F30A2A6AF2-1198-4D0@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080430123124.CFEOW.416121.root@fepweb09>

Well...I wouldn't say you lost an argument Dave. I am sure there are loads of stock Roadster owners out there that didn't voice anything. But here is a vote for you (both actually). 

I am leaving my (Dad's) 1600 as stock as I can. With the exception of a modern alternator, I am not going to change anything.

The SRL, on the other hand, is going to get whatever mods I can do to it to make it a faster, better handling, better stopping little rocket ship. Since the motor is getting tired, that might mean putting a different motor in. If so, then so be it. 

Now I can't wait to find out where all the money is going to come from!!! lol

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- davesmbox at aol.com wrote: 

=============
I really enjoyed this thread. I guess I lost the argument. The modified people won.
I have been so motivated for the modification side that I am going to buy a bucket of BERH paint and a roller at home depot and head to the Museum of Fine Art and "MODIFY" some of those outdated old paintings that can't compete with a fine digital print. How can Monet compete wit 7 megapixels?
The Mods Win.
Dave M

From ppeters914 at comcast.net  Wed Apr 30 12:06:35 2008
From: ppeters914 at comcast.net (Pete Peters)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:06:35 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Midwest Roadsters
Message-ID: <043020081806.25792.4818B52B000E18FF000064C02200737478CBCEC79C9D0A9B0A9F9F@comcast.net>

Excellent idea! <g>

Pete

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Steve Jacobson <jake7140 at yahoo.com>


[snip]
> 
> This year we're building a real race engine, so I don't know that it
> will see much street action anymore except at Elkhart Lake (110
> octane $$$) which I am sad about.  Guess I'll just have to find
> another one!  

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 30 12:50:24 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:50:24 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
In-Reply-To: <20080430123124.CFEOW.416121.root@fepweb09>
Message-ID: <E1JrHNl-0002Xv-9w@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Dave,
I don't think there was an argument to win or lose. Someone stating a
personal preference CAN'T be wrong, as it is their preference. I love them
both/all. The SRL 311 Solex was primarily built as a factory race car (hence
the R in the name). Racers tend to modify. ;-)
As Tim mentioned, If I had my Dad's 1600 that he bought new off the lot in
Thousand Oaks CA 1968, it would be absolutely bone stock (and original).
Since Loreli is a non-numbers matching 70 SRL Solex, I want her to go VROOM
(which she does) and be comfortable (which she's becoming). 
Oh, FYI. I have dusted Corvettes OFF THE LINE (C4 vettes). I said nothing
about quarter mile HAHAHA! I smoked those suckers for the first 100 feet or
so though! 
The Museum of Fine Art would not probably be a good idea for your paint
roller. Of course, neither would a beautifully preserved Roadster. However,
you could take the roller to the Museum of Modern Art. I'm not sure anyone
would notice the difference in some of THOSE paintings! LMAO!
Tim and Dave,
Ill send you separately a couple of pictures from a past eBay auction I
copied. A Roadster painted like a brick wall. It's hilarious!!! And not
factory original. HAHAHAHAHA!
Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:31 PM
To: davesmbox at aol.com
Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
dims)

Well...I wouldn't say you lost an argument Dave. I am sure there are loads
of stock Roadster owners out there that didn't voice anything. But here is a
vote for you (both actually). 

I am leaving my (Dad's) 1600 as stock as I can. With the exception of a
modern alternator, I am not going to change anything.

The SRL, on the other hand, is going to get whatever mods I can do to it to
make it a faster, better handling, better stopping little rocket ship. Since
the motor is getting tired, that might mean putting a different motor in. If
so, then so be it. 

Now I can't wait to find out where all the money is going to come from!!!
lol

Tim
Belleville, WI.
'70 SPL AND SRL
Still clueless but always learning

---- davesmbox at aol.com wrote: 

=============
I really enjoyed this thread. I guess I lost the argument. The modified
people won.
I have been so motivated for the modification side that I am going to buy a
bucket of BERH paint and a roller at home depot and head to the Museum of
Fine Art and "MODIFY" some of those outdated old paintings that can't
compete with a fine digital print. How can Monet compete wit 7 megapixels?
The Mods Win.
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From gregs672liter at netzero.net  Wed Apr 30 12:59:44 2008
From: gregs672liter at netzero.net (gregs672liter at netzero.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:59:44 GMT
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims )
Message-ID: <20080430.115944.11989.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Nicely said and very balanced... we all love our cars!  My 67 2liter is
modified, much because it was that way when I got it and I had to work with
what I had.  Besides, I fell in love with the car the way I saw it!  I keep
the U20 because it is a 67 2000.  I modify everything I can to increase its
output because I want the most I can get out of it.  The car does what I want
it to do... what is right for me!  It serves my purpose and my desires to
tinker, adjust, modify, improve, explore, grow, learn and most of all, smile!
My Roadster friends drive everthing from showroom quality 1500s to
supercharged U20s all in the name of good times.  I would not trade my car for
any of them because my blood is literally inside that car.  I'm glad there are
perfect, stock examples of the cars to show how it all started.  I am glad
there are maxed out, supercharged, nitros injecting turbo boosted V6 Corvette
stomping monsters out there to shut up the nay sayers.  I'm glad there are
those in between.  It, like life, is all about LOVE.
So, it is ALL good, it is ALL Roadster, and it is ALL FUN!
See you on the road, sideways.
Greg Burrows

-- "Matthew A. Smith" <matthews517 at earthlink.net> wrote:
Personally, I like stock roadsters. If I were 5'5" and 130 lbs, and fit into
my roadster with room to spare, I'd probably have mine stock. I'm 6'1" and
over 260 lbs. I have made "adjustments".
I've owned several Mustangs. Some bone stock, some "exaggerated". The
"exaggerated" ones were more fun to drive!

In my honest opinion, if you like to drive your Roadster, by all means, keep
it stock. If you like to "drive the livin' hell" out of your roadster,
there's no reason NOT to make "adjustments". Inside every American, there's
a little bit of "hot rodder". It's the culture we grew up with.

Automotive Technology has advanced some since these cars were designed. Had
Nissan decided to put on rear disk brakes, there would be no reason for a
Volvo swap. Had they put in a decent alternator, there would be no reason
for a 10SI Delco swap. Had they put on fuel injection, there would be no
need to fuss with my finicky Solexes. Had they put in electronic ignition, I
wouldn't have a Boone EI. Finally, if they had put longer rails in the seat
adjusters, I wouldn't have 4 extra holes in the floor board! HAHAHA!

A museum piece, a trailer queen, a touring car? They're all beautiful. A
really fast "old school" Datsun that will dust a Corvette off the line and
put a big ol' s**t eatin' grin on your face? PRICELESS!  :-)

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From bstjacques at atrua.com  Wed Apr 30 13:56:02 2008
From: bstjacques at atrua.com (Brian St. Jacques)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:56:02 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Body Removal
Message-ID: <9FDC37889ED3CF479988599DD681FA0F1A8A69@exch01.icontrolinc.com>

I finished making my body cart, then I managed to get the roadster body
off the frame and loaded on to the cart - all by myself, using an engine
hoist and ratchet tie downs. After hearing this was possible, I started
playing around - originally with the intention of just lifting enough to
make sure everything was free for when the "real" removal happened. I
got a little brave and soon passed the point of no return. I can now
verify that yes, this is possible - and NO, I do not recommend it. There
are definitely better ways to get the job done and I hope to never let
myself go that route again :)

So I now have the body on the cart. Moving it around is a dream, and I
am pretty damn proud of my first welding project - even though the welds
may make someone who actually knows what they are doing cringe ;) The
plans are now to start cleaning up the frame and getting prepped to do
the mods to stuff the SR20 in. To hell with stock cars!!! Actually, I do
have respect for the stockers, but they just aren't my thing. I have
passed up buying nice stock stock cars before because I tend to modify
everything I own and I figured they were better left to a purist.

I have started building a website documenting some of the work I am
doing. Once I get it all caught up I'll post a link.

Brian
'68 1600

From matthews517 at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 30 14:25:19 2008
From: matthews517 at earthlink.net (Matthew A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:25:19 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W1840261DA1175646932721B5D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E1JrIrc-0005Kr-9d@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thank you for your input, Alvin. I didn't say I could take a Corvette in a
quarter mile. I said "off the line". I see Corvette's all the time. They're
EVERYWHERE! 
If you're ever in Chattanooga, I'd love to take you for a drive. A very
short and very FAST drive. I have seen pix of your Roadster and she's
beautiful. I'm sure she's fast. Faster than mine. I know you have better
driving skills than I. I have no problem with that.
You must be quite a competitor.
Matt

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Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
dims)

Show me a stock engined roadster that will "dust a Corvette off the line".
The last 'vette I saw ran a 12.3s 1/4 mile and it was bone-stock. Alvin
GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20. A really fast "old school" Datsun that
will
dust a Corvette off the line and put a big ol' s**t eatin' grin on your
face?
PRICELESS! :-)
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From alvingogi at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 30 14:34:09 2008
From: alvingogi at hotmail.com (alvin gogineni)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:34:09 +0000
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
In-Reply-To: <E1JrIrc-0005Kr-9d@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <BLU106-W1840261DA1175646932721B5D80@phx.gbl>
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RELAX, I thought I told you I'm lover not a fighter.
A C4 'vette is a 15-16 sec car at best. That's not a fair fight.

Alvin GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20> From: matthews517 at earthlink.net> To:
alvingogi at hotmail.com; davesmbox at aol.com; msedlack at neo.rr.com> CC:
datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified
(was Late car Rear view mirror dims)> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:25:19 -0400> >
Thank you for your input, Alvin. I didn't say I could take a Corvette in a>
quarter mile. I said "off the line". I see Corvette's all the time. They're>
EVERYWHERE! > If you're ever in Chattanooga, I'd love to take you for a drive.
A very> short and very FAST drive. I have seen pix of your Roadster and she's>
beautiful. I'm sure she's fast. Faster than mine. I know you have better>
driving skills than I. I have no problem with that.> You must be quite a
competitor.> Matt> > -----Original Message-----> From:
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[mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces+matthews517=earthlink.net at autox.team.net]> On
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datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified
(was Late car Rear view mirror> dims)> > Show me a stock engined roadster that
will "dust a Corvette off the line".> The last 'vette I saw ran a 12.3s 1/4
mile and it was bone-stock. Alvin> GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20. A really
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From sprasad at tycoelectronics.com  Wed Apr 30 15:02:39 2008
From: sprasad at tycoelectronics.com (Prasad, Sunil)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:02:39 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
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I love both stock and modified roadster's
I am doing a SR swap, and changed the seats, interior too.
I would love keeping the car stock, the reason I chose to modify is
because of the cost of keeping it stock.
The price for the original parts is to expansive for me.
I am doing the swap because I love the car.

Sunil
67.5 SR20
72 510 1600
75 620 Truck L20






-----Original Message-----
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net] On Behalf Of Matthew A. Smith
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Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
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mirror dims)

Thank you for your input, Alvin. I didn't say I could take a Corvette in
a quarter mile. I said "off the line". I see Corvette's all the time.
They're EVERYWHERE!
If you're ever in Chattanooga, I'd love to take you for a drive. A very
short and very FAST drive. I have seen pix of your Roadster and she's
beautiful. I'm sure she's fast. Faster than mine. I know you have better
driving skills than I. I have no problem with that.
You must be quite a competitor.
Matt

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Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view
mirror
dims)

Show me a stock engined roadster that will "dust a Corvette off the
line".
The last 'vette I saw ran a 12.3s 1/4 mile and it was bone-stock. Alvin
GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20. A really fast "old school" Datsun
that will dust a Corvette off the line and put a big ol' s**t eatin'
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From 9laser3 at bright.net  Wed Apr 30 17:14:43 2008
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:14:43 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified
In-Reply-To: <FBA3A7A1B71B7A4C8CCC1B3B193A634B0D94D451@usr34mx00.tycoelectronics.net>
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  When I first got my 1600, I went out of the way to keep it as stock as
possible.  The pollution stuff was all gone, and of course it had radial
tires, but the rest was stock.  Then, a few years back, I borrowed a race
roadster and took a weekend long SCCA drivers school.  Two twenty minute
track sessions Friday evening made it clear that the car was going to get a
work out.  After 6 more 20 minute sessions Saturday and I wasn't so sure I'd
make it through the weekend!  One more session Sunday morning was all the
R16 engine could take.
  So, my stock 1600 R16 was yanked out and donated to the race team.
Slightly modified, it has served well as a backup motor and has done lots of
hot laps at Nelson Ledges in the last few years.  And having crewed for the
race team for almost 10 years, I knew it would be hard to find another R16
for my roadster.  So, it now has a KA24E and 5 speed stuffed under the hood.
So much for stock!  But the KA swap is a clean one so it could go back to
stock fairly easy.

  As far as I'm concerned, as long as you don't cut up a beautiful roadster,
modify yours as much or as little as you want.  Just so long as you Enjoy
the Ride.  I do!

Paul
Ohio
Sloan Racing

From spl310 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 30 18:38:56 2008
From: spl310 at hotmail.com (sidney raper)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:38:56 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock versus modified
Message-ID: <BAY105-W16D075414760B81F45FEB792DB0@phx.gbl>

Well, here is my not too humble opinion.  If you have a clean original, you
are doing a disservice to the automotive community by doing modifications
other than wheels and paint colors.  If you have a ratty car that is going to
be a soup can if you don't modify it, then by all means, keep it on the road.
The argument that stock engines cannot be found is BS.  I have 3 1600 engines
in the garage now and don't need them.  Make an offer and come haul off the
dead weight!  Please!!  If the argument is that the stock engines are more
expensive to keep and maintain than an engine swap, I call BS on that too.  A
properly done swap will cost several thousand dollars.  Add to that the fact
that most of the swappers are putting in JDM engines which are now becoming
obsolete, and the problem is compounded.  Yes, U20 timing components are
pricey now, but how often do you really need to change them?  For my argument,
look at the FJ20 cars.  When I got back into Roadsters, the FJ20 was the hot
tip.  Now the owners of FJ20 powered cars that I have conversed with lament
the difficulty and expense in finding parts for their motors.  SR20s will be
there soon as well.

I guess that most of the folks still see the Roadsters as the cheap sports car
and therefore modifying it is not a hurtful thing.  I disagree.  I see the
Roadsters as undervalued and underrated in the sports car world, and modifying
them for the sake of modifying them is doing more to keep that going than
anything...

Flame away, I am off the soapbox now...Sidney Raper1964 1500 (still a
project.... sigh....)1967 SRL311 00076 (alive again!)Jacksonville
Floridahttp://www.geocities.com/roadsternut/index.html
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From davesmbox at aol.com  Wed Apr 30 19:23:27 2008
From: davesmbox at aol.com (davesmbox at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:23:27 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock versus modified
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-W16D075414760B81F45FEB792DB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-W16D075414760B81F45FEB792DB0@phx.gbl>
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Very well said
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: sidney raper <spl310 at hotmail.com>
To: Regular Roadster List <datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 8:38 pm
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock versus modified



Well, here is my not too humble opinion.  If you have a clean original, you
are doing a disservice to the automotive community by doing modifications
other than wheels and paint colors.  If you have a ratty car that is going to
be a soup can if you don't modify it, then by all means, keep it on the road.
The argument that stock engines cannot be found is BS.  I have 3 1600 engines
in the garage now and don't need them.  Make an offer and come haul off the
dead weight!  Please!!  If the argument is that the stock engines are more
expensive to keep and maintain than an engine swap, I call BS on that too.  A
properly done swap will cost several thousand dollars.  Add to that the fact
that most of the swappers are putting in JDM engines which are now becoming
obsolete, and the problem is compounded.  Yes, U20 timing components are
pricey now, but how often do you really need to change them?  For my argument,
look at the FJ20 cars.  When I got back into Roadsters, the FJ20 was the hot
tip.  Now the owners of FJ20 powered cars that I have conversed with lament
the difficulty and expense in finding parts for their motors.  SR20s will be
there soon as well.

I guess that most of the folks still see the Roadsters as the cheap sports car
and therefore modifying it is not a hurtful thing.  I disagree.  I see the
Roadsters as undervalued and underrated in the sports car world, and modifying
them for the sake of modifying them is doing more to keep that going than
anything...

Flame away, I am off the soapbox now...Sidney Raper1964 1500 (still a
project.... sigh....)1967 SRL311 00076 (alive again!)Jacksonville
Floridahttp://www.geocities.com/roadsternut/index.html
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From 68roadster at charter.net  Wed Apr 30 19:39:50 2008
From: 68roadster at charter.net (Dennis Louthan)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:39:50 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
References: <BLU106-W1840261DA1175646932721B5D80@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <48191F66.6080706@charter.net>

I prefer the stock look....but, I also like a little HP. Here lies the
the 1600 stroker engine. Visably original looking but with a little
more power. Kind of the best of both worlds. I have every original
part from my 68 1600 in boxes, encluding the original engine. My
2 cents.

Dennis
68 Stroker
Minden, NV

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:53:35 EDT
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From francis67datsun at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 30 19:57:54 2008
From: francis67datsun at yahoo.com (Francis Anand)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:57:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W1840261DA1175646932721B5D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <279848.42238.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

alvin gogineni <alvingogi at hotmail.com> wrote:  Show me a stock engined roadster that will "dust a Corvette off the line".
The last 'vette I saw ran a 12.3s 1/4 mile and it was bone-stock. Alvin
GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20. A really fast "old school" Datsun that will
dust a Corvette off the line and put a big ol' s**t eatin' grin on your face?
PRICELESS! :-)
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From d-solomon at comcast.net  Wed Apr 30 20:29:15 2008
From: d-solomon at comcast.net (Daniel Solomon)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:29:15 -0700
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view mirror
 dims)
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Not a valid contrast, in my mind. 
You cannot compare the Datsun Roadster to Fine Art. 
At least not without making me laugh out loud!


davesmbox at aol.com wrote:
> I really enjoyed this thread. I guess I lost the argument. The modified people won.
> I have been so motivated for the modification side that I am going to buy a bucket of BERH paint and a roller at home depot and head to the Museum of Fine Art and "MODIFY" some of those outdated old paintings that can't compete with a fine digital print. How can Monet compete wit 7 megapixels?
> The Mods Win.
> Dave M
>
>
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> To: Matthew A. Smith <matthews517 at earthlink.net>; davesmbox at aol.com; msedlack at neo.rr.com
> Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net
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> Show me a stock engined roadster that will "dust a Corvette off the line".
> The last 'vette I saw ran a 12.3s 1/4 mile and it was bone-stock. Alvin
> GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20. A really fast "old school" Datsun that will
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From daveandlindab at comcast.net  Wed Apr 30 21:21:59 2008
From: daveandlindab at comcast.net (dave)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view
 mirrordims)
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Dave,

I think you missed the point. I'm not angry and there is no argument to
win or lose. Except for the Edsel thing, I was serious.  There is no
right or wrong, there's your car and there's someone else's car. I'd no
more repaint a Monet that I would  tell you what you should do with your
car or criticize your choice. My car isn't stock, hasn't been for 20
years, way before I go it.  If I had wanted a stock original car, I'd
have bought one and left it that way.  I like stock cars, and appreciate
the work that goes into them.  I just don't own one.  The Fairbitch is a
fine example, I like it...Would I build it, no, but it is creative, and
the builder, while possibly demented, isn't wrong.

 

Since you brought up Monet, It's interesting the reaction the
Impressionists received for not painting like everyone else.  From
Wikipedia   " Radicals in their time, early Impressionists broke the
rules of academic painting." And  " The public, at first hostile,
gradually came to believe that the Impressionists had captured a fresh
and original vision, even if it did not receive the approval of the art
critics and establishment."

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: davesmbox at aol.com [mailto:davesmbox at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:05 PM
 

I really enjoyed this thread. I guess I lost the argument. The modified
people won.

I have been so motivated for the modification side that I am going to
buy a bucket of BERH paint and a roller at home depot and head to the
Museum of Fine Art and "MODIFY" some of those outdated old paintings
that can't compete with a fine digital print. How can Monet compete wit
7 megapixels?

The Mods Win.

Dave M

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: alvin gogineni <alvingogi at hotmail.com>

To: Matthew A. Smith <matthews517 at earthlink.net>; davesmbox at aol.com;
msedlack at neo.rr.com

Cc: datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net

Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:54 am

Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Stock vs. Modified (was Late car Rear view
mirror dims)

 

 

 

Show me a stock engined roadster that will "dust a Corvette off the
line".

The last 'vette I saw ran a 12.3s 1/4 mile and it was bone-stock. Alvin

GogineniSan Jose, CA67.5 SPL/SR20. A really fast "old school" Datsun
that will

dust a Corvette off the line and put a big ol' s**t eatin' grin on your
face?

PRICELESS! :-)

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