From pethier at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 21:36:59 2009 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 04:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? In-Reply-To: <1475289481.3400151236227551056.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <312749389.3401571236227819941.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? The seller stated that it was a Marina/Ital, but the gearset I bought for it does not look like it will fit. I think it may be a Ford Escort, but I have no idea what they look like. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157614748727565/ for pictures of the axle in the car and pictures of the purports-to-be-Marina gearset. There are 8 mounting holes on the gearset. The spacing does not seem to match the studs on the axle. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier From rodbean at earthlink.net Thu Mar 5 09:01:41 2009 From: rodbean at earthlink.net (Rod Bean) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:01:41 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? Message-ID: <6111537.1236268901799.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I know this will sound ridiculous but isn't that from a Cortina? Cortina rear axle assys. have been the most popular ones to use and that's what it looks like to me. Of course, all I have around are Elan diffs which are Cortina and I haven't actually gone out to the garage to compare what you've got to them (if you want me to, I will though). Rod -----Original Message----- >From: pethier at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 4, 2009 8:36 PM >To: usa at se7ens.net, lotus at se7ens.net, sevens at se7ens.net >Cc: chapman-era at autox.team.net, Lotus-cars at autox.team.net >Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? > >What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? > >The seller stated that it was a Marina/Ital, but the gearset I bought for it does not look like it will fit. I think it may be a Ford Escort, but I have no idea what they look like. > >See >http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157614748727565/ >for pictures of the axle in the car and pictures of the purports-to-be-Marina gearset. > >There are 8 mounting holes on the gearset. The spacing does not seem to match the studs on the axle. > >Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA >1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 >1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 >pethier [at] comcast [dot] net >http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Chapman-era at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/chapman-era > >You are subscribed as rodbean at earthlink.net > >http://www.team.net/archive From pethier at comcast.net Thu Mar 5 11:59:29 2009 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? In-Reply-To: <1139897044.3586821236276800431.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <944756800.3613101236279569034.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks for all the input so far. Keep it coming. I'd really not like to make a mistake again. The fault is mine for not doing this checking in October. I have to remember that no matter how sincere a person is, and no matter how confident he sounds, he can still be misinformed. I can't blame the person who sold me the car because he was laboring under a delusion. I can blame myself for not independently confirming the identity of the axle before ordering parts. The bolt circle on the car is indeed 4.25 inches (a measly .002" off of 108mm). In all the years I have been telling folks about the 3.75-inch circle on Spitfire, GT6, Herald, TR7, TR8, Elan, and Europa, I never recall anyone pointing out that the Marina also shared the same bolt circle. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > See > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157614748727565/ > for pictures of the axle in the car and pictures of the > purports-to-be-Marina gearset. From pethier at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 14:42:30 2009 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? In-Reply-To: <6111537.1236268901799.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <803188919.5151341236634950357.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- "Rod Bean" wrote: > From: "Rod Bean" > To: pethier at comcast.net, usa at se7ens.net, lotus at se7ens.net, sevens at se7ens.net > Cc: chapman-era at autox.team.net, Lotus-cars at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 10:01:41 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? > > I know this will sound ridiculous but isn't that from a Cortina? > Cortina rear axle assys. have been the most popular ones to use and > that's what it looks like to me. Of course, all I have around are > Elan diffs which are Cortina and I haven't actually gone out to the > garage to compare what you've got to them (if you want me to, I will > though). > > Rod Interesting. Now I have someone telling me that all of these Ford cars use the same "Ford 7-inch" gears and that any Ford 7-inch gears, USA or UK, will fit. Is that true? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier From pethier at comcast.net Tue Mar 10 12:15:37 2009 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? unclassified In-Reply-To: <9829566.1236704265732.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <256832284.5566151236712537203.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- "Rod Bean" wrote: > Well there you go Phil. That's a lot of good information. > > You know, of course that the original equipment diff on most of the > Sevens came from a Triumph 10 (small sedan One of our Minnesota Triumphs members has one of these and > which was, in turn, the > basis for the Spitfire). The Spitfires was born of the Herald, with a swing-axle rear suspension. > Once Seven owners started to put sticky > tires and increase the horsepower, the Cortina diff became a better > choice for many. The way I heard it, Triumph 10 axles became difficult to obtain. Chapman probably had gotten a good deal on a warehouse-full of them in the first place, and when they ran out it was time to move on. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier From pethier at comcast.net Tue Mar 10 12:28:06 2009 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? unclassified In-Reply-To: <32823027.5568701236712808095.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1339013338.5573211236713286163.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- "BRADSHAW PHILIP, LT CDR" wrote: > Greetings from New Zealand. I really love the Internet! > My Lotus 7 replica has a 4.44 105E Anglia gear set in a Mk 1 escort > van > housing, > From memory 1000cc Anglia is the only real source of 4.44 ratio > gears; > Anglia van might even have shorter gears again. Escort Sport (1.6 > Kent > pushrod) allegedly has 'close' ratio gearbox, the bigger rear brakes > and > 3.5 ratio diff; most of the rest are around 3.7; 3.9 or even 4.1. > Ratio > is stamped on a small alloy tag that is fitted on one of the diff > head > to housing bolts. I came up with 3.65:1 by just counting the flange bolts going by while I turned the wheel. One of the things that fooled me into believing it was a Marina (3.63:1 being fairly standard. I will have a look for that tab. I bet this is a 3.7:1. I'd like to go for the 4.1:1 gears if I can find them. Seems unlikely that I will find a 4.44:1, but I'd be willing to put it in. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier From rodbean at earthlink.net Tue Mar 10 16:00:25 2009 From: rodbean at earthlink.net (Rod Bean) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:00:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? unclassified Message-ID: <7643525.1236726025672.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I knew that Spitfires came from Heralds and not 10s. Brain fade. Rod -----Original Message----- >From: pethier at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 10, 2009 12:15 PM >To: Rod Bean >Cc: usa at se7ens.net, chapman-era at autox.team.net, sevens at se7ens.net, Lotus-cars at autox.team.net, "BRADSHAW PHILIP,LT CDR" >Subject: Re: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? unclassified > >----- "Rod Bean" wrote: > >> Well there you go Phil. That's a lot of good information. >> >> You know, of course that the original equipment diff on most of the >> Sevens came from a Triumph 10 (small sedan > >One of our Minnesota Triumphs members has one of these and > >> which was, in turn, the >> basis for the Spitfire). > >The Spitfires was born of the Herald, with a swing-axle rear suspension. > >> Once Seven owners started to put sticky >> tires and increase the horsepower, the Cortina diff became a better >> choice for many. > >The way I heard it, Triumph 10 axles became difficult to obtain. Chapman probably had gotten a good deal on a warehouse-full of them in the first place, and when they ran out it was time to move on. > >Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA >1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 >1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 >pethier [at] comcast [dot] net >http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier From pethier at comcast.net Tue Mar 10 21:12:04 2009 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Chapman-era] What kind of rear axle is in this Caterham? unclassified In-Reply-To: <7643525.1236726025672.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2033264839.5816121236744724621.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- "Rod Bean" wrote: > I knew that Spitfires came from Heralds and not 10s. Brain fade. Happens to all of us. For instance, in the post below, I hit "send" in the middle of a sentence... > > Rod > > > >One of our Minnesota Triumphs members has one of these and And WHAT? ... and sometimes drives it long distances to conventions! Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier From pethier at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 11:06:00 2009 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Chapman-era] For sale in USA: Quaife LSD for Marina Ital Caterham Seven new in box. In-Reply-To: <625464581.8898761237398591655.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <63138808.8907831237399560031.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Instead of paying shipping back to the UK, I'd like to sell this to someone here in the USA. I'll sell it to someone on the lists in the USA for 700 US dollars, FOB Saint Paul Minnesota. The current price for this unit is 550 UK Pounds. At today's exchange rate, that is 768.64 US Dollars. This is the type of LSD to use. It is the worm-gear torque-sensig type. It will not wear out. It will not cause the front end to push like a clutch-type will. I have driven lots of sports cars in autocrosses and on the road with both types and there is no contest. My Miata has a similar unit and I am very pleased with it. This Quaife unit will fit the Austin/Morris Marina and Ital cars and any other cars, notably Caterham Sevens, which use the Marina/Ital rear axle. Caterham Ital Marina Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential for Caterham Ital Marina is suitable for Caterham models with Ital Marina axle. A direct replacement for the standard Caterham open differential, the Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential transforms your cars performance. Manufacturer: CATERHAM Product Code: QDF8K Price: B#550.00 Since this unit is brand new, and I love them so much, why am I selling it? I was misinformed, and my car has a Ford rear axle. I WILL be putting the correct Quaife into my car. More information at http://www.quaife.co.uk/Caterham-Ital-Marina-axle-ATB-differential There is a dimensional drawing at http://www.quaife.co.uk/shop_files/QDF8K50564.jpg Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier