From mikey at b2systems.com Tue Oct 4 15:27:06 2011 From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:27:06 -0700 Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8B7A2A.5060300@b2systems.com> My 1934 Singer 1.5Litre has no strainer or wire mesh on the oil pickup tube, I also don't see how one would have been fitted but I know it had one since there is a circular plate on the bottom of the oil pan to clean the pickup with. I really would like to see if it runs this weekend and I may try to fire it without the strainer but I need to make one. Does not look difficult to make but what size mesh do I get ? I found this stuff online and I am not sure what size to get, 100 openings per inch seems awfully small and could cause oil starvation I would think, which would you get ? > Wire cloth, better known as wire screen, > serves as a fuel, oil, and air filter, As well as > bug screen for air vents and horns. We carry > brass and stainless in a variety of mesh counts > (#of openings per inch.) Ex: bugscreens 50; > fuel filters 100. Please let us know your > requirements. Last time the motor ran was 1968, I am really anxious to hear it run and I may just waste a gasket and some oil and put the oil pan on and see if it runs this weekend, I can't drive it anyway until more work and I could put the strainer on then, oil will be fresh and clean and oil pan freshly cleaned as well. mike From david_laver at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 04:13:39 2011 From: david_laver at hotmail.com (David Laver) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:13:39 +0100 Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer In-Reply-To: <4E8B7A2A.5060300@b2systems.com> References: , <4E8B7A2A.5060300@b2systems.com> Message-ID: Its a risk-reward thing. At some point you need to pluck up the courage to start it, but if it was me I'd want a strainer on the pickup and a modern oil filter between the pump and the engine. David > Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:27:06 -0700 > From: mikey at b2systems.com > To: british-cars-pre-war at autox.team.net > Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer > > My 1934 Singer 1.5Litre has no strainer or wire mesh on the oil > pickup tube, I also don't see how one would have been fitted but I know > it had one since there is a circular plate on the bottom of the oil pan > to clean the pickup with. > > I really would like to see if it runs this weekend and I may try to > fire it without the strainer but I need to make one. Does not look > difficult to make but what size mesh do I get ? I found this stuff > online and I am not sure what size to get, 100 openings per inch seems > awfully small and could cause oil starvation I would think, which would > you get ? > > > Wire cloth, better known as wire screen, > > serves as a fuel, oil, and air filter, As well as > > bug screen for air vents and horns. We carry > > brass and stainless in a variety of mesh counts > > (#of openings per inch.) Ex: bugscreens 50; > > fuel filters 100. Please let us know your > > requirements. > > Last time the motor ran was 1968, I am really anxious to hear it run > and I may just waste a gasket and some oil and put the oil pan on and > see if it runs this weekend, I can't drive it anyway until more work and > I could put the strainer on then, oil will be fresh and clean and oil > pan freshly cleaned as well. > > mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.team.net/archive > > British-cars-pre-war at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/british-cars-pre-war > > You are subscribed as david_laver at hotmail.com From mikey at b2systems.com Wed Oct 5 09:08:55 2011 From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:08:55 -0700 Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer In-Reply-To: References: , <4E8B7A2A.5060300@b2systems.com> Message-ID: <4E8C7307.8060207@b2systems.com> Yeah, and I am there with the courage after 9 years of the car sitting in my garage. I did have a "excuse" I was working on another 1934 Singer and did not want 2 cars apart at the same time, guess it was a lousy excuse. There is no oil filter on the car, never has been so the only filter is that screen. The inside of the engine will be fairly clean and the pan will be clean, so no big chunks will be floating around in the new oil. I will only be running it 3-5 minutes since I still have to do brakes and wiring (rats got the wiring) and I know the radiator leaks some, so not a long running time, just long enough to see how well it does. The brakes failed on the previous owner in 1968 on the 405 freeway (San Diego Freeway) so it was at least running pretty well in those days, not sure what gave me the courage but I am anxious all of a sudden. I am looking into that VW item someone suggested and if not then I will pull the oil pan on my other 1934 Singer and match up the screen, that screen wont fit since its a 4 cylinder motor vs. this one 6 cylinder but the screen material is likely the same. mike On 10/05/2011 03:13 AM, David Laver wrote: > > Its a risk-reward thing. At some point you need to pluck up the > courage to start it, but if it was me I'd want a strainer on the > pickup and a modern oil filter between the pump and the engine. > > David > > > Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:27:06 -0700 > > From: mikey at b2systems.com > > To: british-cars-pre-war at autox.team.net > > Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer > > > > My 1934 Singer 1.5Litre has no strainer or wire mesh on the oil > > pickup tube, I also don't see how one would have been fitted but I know > > it had one since there is a circular plate on the bottom of the oil pan > > to clean the pickup with. > > > > I really would like to see if it runs this weekend and I may try to > > fire it without the strainer but I need to make one. Does not look > > difficult to make but what size mesh do I get ? I found this stuff > > online and I am not sure what size to get, 100 openings per inch seems > > awfully small and could cause oil starvation I would think, which would > > you get ? > > > > > Wire cloth, better known as wire screen, > > > serves as a fuel, oil, and air filter, As well as > > > bug screen for air vents and horns. We carry > > > brass and stainless in a variety of mesh counts > > > (#of openings per inch.) Ex: bugscreens 50; > > > fuel filters 100. Please let us know your > > > requirements. > > > > Last time the motor ran was 1968, I am really anxious to hear it run > > and I may just waste a gasket and some oil and put the oil pan on and > > see if it runs this weekend, I can't drive it anyway until more work > and > > I could put the strainer on then, oil will be fresh and clean and oil > > pan freshly cleaned as well. > > > > mike From johno8 at aol.com Wed Oct 5 11:46:14 2011 From: johno8 at aol.com (johno8 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer In-Reply-To: <4E8C7307.8060207@b2systems.com> References: , <4E8B7A2A.5060300@b2systems.com> <4E8C7307.8060207@b2systems.com> Message-ID: <8CE519DCFBB88E7-1DD4-26D21@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Both my pre-war Alvis have those mesh filters. What oil are you using? What is current air temp where you are? If you are only running for a few minutes and not letting engine get up to temp then suggest you use a syn 0W/20 oil. Have you squirted MMO or similar into the spark plug holes to ensure top end has some lubri? Have you thoroughly cleaned the fuel tank, or are you feeding fuel from a local reservoir to start? If you haven't cleaned tank and are drawing fuel from it, it will probably be a source of frustration at some stage. Good luck! Sounds fun! No risk = no reward! John -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rambour To: David Laver Cc: british-cars-pre-war Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 1:09 pm Subject: Re: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer Yeah, and I am there with the courage after 9 years of the car sitting in my garage. I did have a "excuse" I was working on another 1934 Singer and did not want 2 cars apart at the same time, guess it was a lousy excuse. There is no oil filter on the car, never has been so the only filter is that screen. The inside of the engine will be fairly clean and the pan will be clean, so no big chunks will be floating around in the new oil. I will only be running it 3-5 minutes since I still have to do brakes and wiring (rats got the wiring) and I know the radiator leaks some, so not a long running time, just long enough to see how well it does. The brakes failed on the previous owner in 1968 on the 405 freeway (San Diego Freeway) so it was at least running pretty well in those days, not sure what gave me the courage but I am anxious all of a sudden. I am looking into that VW item someone suggested and if not then I will pull the oil pan on my other 1934 Singer and match up the screen, that screen wont fit since its a 4 cylinder motor vs. this one 6 cylinder but the screen material is likely the same. mike On 10/05/2011 03:13 AM, David Laver wrote: > > Its a risk-reward thing. At some point you need to pluck up the > courage to start it, but if it was me I'd want a strainer on the > pickup and a modern oil filter between the pump and the engine. > > David > > > Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:27:06 -0700 > > From: mikey at b2systems.com > > To: british-cars-pre-war at autox.team.net > > Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer > > > > My 1934 Singer 1.5Litre has no strainer or wire mesh on the oil > > pickup tube, I also don't see how one would have been fitted but I know > > it had one since there is a circular plate on the bottom of the oil pan > > to clean the pickup with. > > > > I really would like to see if it runs this weekend and I may try to > > fire it without the strainer but I need to make one. Does not look > > difficult to make but what size mesh do I get ? I found this stuff > > online and I am not sure what size to get, 100 openings per inch seems > > awfully small and could cause oil starvation I would think, which would > > you get ? > > > > > Wire cloth, better known as wire screen, > > > serves as a fuel, oil, and air filter, As well as > > > bug screen for air vents and horns. We carry > > > brass and stainless in a variety of mesh counts > > > (#of openings per inch.) Ex: bugscreens 50; > > > fuel filters 100. Please let us know your > > > requirements. > > > > Last time the motor ran was 1968, I am really anxious to hear it run > > and I may just waste a gasket and some oil and put the oil pan on and > > see if it runs this weekend, I can't drive it anyway until more work > and > > I could put the strainer on then, oil will be fresh and clean and oil > > pan freshly cleaned as well. > > > > mike British-cars-pre-war at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/british-cars-pre-war You are subscribed as johno8 at aol.com From mikey at b2systems.com Wed Oct 5 13:17:10 2011 From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:17:10 -0700 Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer In-Reply-To: <8CE519DCFBB88E7-1DD4-26D21@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4E8B7A2A.5060300@b2systems.com> <4E8C7307.8060207@b2systems.com> <8CE519DCFBB88E7-1DD4-26D21@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E8CAD36.7050004@b2systems.com> Lots of great questions !!! Since I got stuck on some BSF studs that wont be here until next week :( I have a few extra days to find the mesh, I will remove the oil pan on my other 34 this weekend (not looking forward to that job) and get the same size mesh, that should be ok. I actually had not thought of oil yet, the owners manual calls for straight 30, so I was going to put in 30, I prefer lighter oil but I am concerned 0W/20 might be too light. It should be mid-60's F when I run it. I likely will not let the engine warm up to temp this time around. What is the advantage of 0/20 if I don't plan on running it long, I know it will flow better but I don't want to damage anything. Is MMO Marvel ? no, but I did put 5W/20 that I use in my truck down the cylinders and I will fill the sump by pouring oil all over the camshaft just prior to putting on the valve cover. I have a small garden sprayer that I cut the end of the hose on and by removing the oil pressure gauge line on the side of the block, I will pressurize the system to 5-10psi oil pressure, I did that already once and got oil all over the place since I did not have the oil pan on, just wanted to see if it worked. Gas tank is out and at Tank Renu right now so I will be running from a local reservoir. New fuel lines from the tank to the motor have already been put in. If it fires, then I have to send out the radiator for repair and finish the brakes, need new brake lines in the back and I already have the brake flex lines made. Then its go out for a drive :), I am hoping in the next month or less. mike On 10/05/2011 10:46 AM, johno8 at aol.com wrote: > Both my pre-war Alvis have those mesh filters. > > What oil are you using? What is current air temp where you are? If > you are only running for a few minutes and not letting engine get up > to temp then suggest you use a syn 0W/20 oil. > > Have you squirted MMO or similar into the spark plug holes to ensure > top end has some lubri? > > Have you thoroughly cleaned the fuel tank, or are you feeding fuel > from a local reservoir to start? If you haven't cleaned tank and are > drawing fuel from it, it will probably be a source of frustration at > some stage. > > Good luck! Sounds fun! > > No risk = no reward! > > John From johno8 at aol.com Wed Oct 5 14:11:41 2011 From: johno8 at aol.com (johno8 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer Message-ID: <8CE51B2215E9AFC-1DD4-29CBD@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Yes, owners manual calls for 30 as back then multi-grade did not exist. Oil has come a long way! Are you familiar with: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com Suggest you sign up. If interested, read my posts: vintageant Read the Oil 101 and you'll see why lighter is better. My two Alvis run on 15W/40 and 20W/50 respectively, and I'd recommend Shell Rotella 15W/40 diesel oil for you for regular running, but the 0W/20 for start-up and if you are not getting up to operating temps. You won't damage anything with light oil at cool temperatures. Yes, MMM is Marvel. Keep us posted! John -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rambour To: johno8 Cc: british-cars-pre-war Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [PreWar] oil pump mesh/strainer Lots of great questions !!! Since I got stuck on some BSF studsthat wont be here until next week :( I have a few extra days to findthe mesh, I will remove the oil pan on my other 34 this weekend (notlooking forward to that job) and get the same size mesh, that should beok. I actually had not thought of oil yet, the owners manual calls forstraight 30, so I was going to put in 30, I prefer lighter oil but I amconcerned 0W/20 might be too light. It should be mid-60's F when Irun it. I likely will not let the engine warm up to temp this timearound. What is the advantage of 0/20 if I don't plan on running itlong, I know it will flow better but I don't want to damage anything. Is MMO Marvel ? no, but I did put 5W/20 that I use in my truck downthe cylinders and I will fill the sump by pouring oil all over thecamshaft just prior to putting on the valve cover. I have a smallgarden sprayer that I cut the end of the hose on and by removing theoil pressure gauge line on the side of the block, I will pressurize thesystem to 5-10psi oil pressure, I did that already once and got oil allover the place since I did not have the oil pan on, just wanted to seeif it worked. Gas tank is out and at Tank Renu right now so I will be running froma local reservoir. New fuel lines from the tank to the motor havealready been put in. If it fires, then I have to send out the radiator for repair andfinish the brakes, need new brake lines in the back and I already havethe brake flex lines made. Then its go out for a drive :), I am hopingin the next month or less. mike On 10/05/2011 10:46 AM, johno8 at aol.com wrote: Both my pre-war Alvis have those mesh filters. What oil are you using? What is current air temp where you are? Ifyou are only running for a few minutes and not letting engine get up totemp then suggest you use a syn 0W/20 oil. Have you squirted MMO or similar into the spark plug holes to ensuretop end has some lubri? Have you thoroughly cleaned the fuel tank, or are you feeding fuel froma local reservoir to start? If you haven't cleaned tank and aredrawing fuel from it, it will probably be a source of frustration atsome stage. Good luck! Sounds fun! No risk = no reward! John [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Alvis_Oils_&_all_vintage_cars.doc]