From gschroeder at comcast.net Sun Oct 2 20:00:11 2011 From: gschroeder at comcast.net (Greg Schroeder) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:00:11 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] KIP solenoids References: <4E66BBAB794D4B6B8901E8FF59F325A6@newuserPC> Message-ID: Tom, I sent this out a few years ago and I believe you are correct. Does anyone know where I can get a Kip air valve repair or replacement? The valve number is 141114 Greg 0036 From isensee at aol.com Mon Oct 3 10:24:40 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem Message-ID: <8CE500015D1275F-1B24-68B21@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> One of the valves in my air control box isn't working reliably. If I press the door up switch with the car not running, the valve for raising the passenger door doesn't click and the door doesn't open. With the car running, the higher voltage causes the valve to work part of the time. I took the valve apart and it looks fine. If I drain most of the pressure out of the air tank, then the valve works every time. So it looks like that valve is having a hard time working when the system is at full pressure. The other 3 valves in the control box are all working fine. Any suggestions what to do? Scott From jblair1948 at cox.net Mon Oct 3 12:38:05 2011 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:38:05 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Army Field Band - CT MA NH NJ NY PA - Free concerts Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20111003142828.04d2d720@cox.net> Hey guys, It's that time of the year again. My son will be touring with The Army Field Band in Oct & Nov throught New England Here's their schedule. If you want some enjoyable entertainment at a very reasionable price (FREE!) you need to go to one of these concerts!! It's high energy music, ala John Phillips Sousa. Here's their schedule: October 16 3:00 PM Somerset, PA Somerset Junior/Senior High School Auditorium For Tickets/Info call 814-444-5900 October 17 7:30 PM Greensburg, PA The Palace Theatre For Tickets/Info call 724-836-8000 October 18 7:00 PM Butler, PA Butler Area Intermediate High School Auditorium For Tickets/Info call 724-282-1859 October 19 7:00 PM Clearfield, PA Clearfield Area Middle School Auditorium For Tickets/Info call 814-765-7567 October 20 7:00 PM Mill Hall, PA Central Mountain Middle School Auditorium For Tickets/Info call 570-748-6791 October 22 7:00 PM Canton, PA Canton Jr Sr High School For Tickets/Info call 570-673-4444 October 23 3:00 PM Geneva, NY Smith Opera House For Tickets/Info call 315-789-2221 October 25 7:30 PM Fredonia, NY SUNY-Fredonia - Rockefeller Arts Center - King Concert Hall For Tickets/Info call 716-366-3000 or visit http://www.fredonia.edu/rac/ October 26 7:00 PM Tonawanda, NY Kenmore East High School Auditorium For Tickets/Info call 716-874-8402 October 27 7:00 PM Rochester, NY Greece Athena High School Performing Arts Center For Tickets/Info call 585-966-4366 October 28 7:30 PM Oswego, NY SUNY-Oswego - Tyler Hall - Waterman Theatre Tickets will be available starting October 1st. 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Kirby Center for the Performing Arts For Tickets/Info call 301-677-6586 November 16 7:00 PM Staten Island, NY St George Theatre For Tickets/Info call 301-677-6586 November 17 7:00 PM Galloway, NJ Richard Stockton College of New Jersey - Sports Center For information call 609-652-9000 For more info on the band, check out their website: http://www.armyfieldband.com John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction From jblair1948 at cox.net Mon Oct 3 13:47:53 2011 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:47:53 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem In-Reply-To: <8CE500015D1275F-1B24-68B21@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE500015D1275F-1B24-68B21@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20111003153416.04d290a8@cox.net> At 12:24 PM 10/3/2011, Scott Isensee wrote: >One of the valves in my air control box isn't working reliably. If I press the door up switch with the car not >running, the valve for raising the passenger door doesn't click and the door doesn't open. With the car >running, the higher voltage causes the valve to work part of the time. >I took the valve apart and it looks fine. If I drain most of the pressure out of the air tank, then the valve works >every time. So it looks like that valve is having a hard time working when the system is at full pressure. The >other 3 valves in the control box are all working fine. Any suggestions what to do? Scott, It does sound like it is the air control solenoid. But before we jump on that horse, do you still have the old electric door latch solenoids? It could be that they are pulling too much current and causing the voltage to be low on the air solenoids. You could possibly check that with a volt meter. Connect the volt meter to the appropriate pin on the 4 pin connector in the air dist. box. Try to open the door. You should see some voltage at the pin that fires the up solenoid for the pass side only. Then if you can, disconnect the electric solenoid, and manually unlatch the door, then try the switch again. Did the voltage at the 4 pin connector pin change? If no, the the electric solenoid isn't the problem. The reducing air pressure really doesn't make much sense. The air control soldenoids only draw about 1/4 of an amp. Not much. But any large draw someplace else could cause the solenoid not to fire. But I don't understand why lowering the air pressure would change anything. Have you had the air solenoids out of the car for any reason just before this problem? If so, could you have installed the valve backwards? Although I'd think it would leak at full pressure then. There is a possibliity that the switch for the pass side is dirty and causing a large voltage drop when the switch is thrown. Thus not enough voltage getting to the solenoid to fire it. The difference in the other 3 circuits are: 2 of them are for the down and don't have the electric door release solenoids. 1 of them is the up for the dvr side. But that would be pretty close to the same as the pass side. Except: a. The wiring to the electric latch solenoid b. the switch for the pass. up. Does this happen with both the inside and outside passenger up switches? Or does either the inside or outside switch work? John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction From gschroeder at comcast.net Mon Oct 3 13:57:30 2011 From: gschroeder at comcast.net (Greg Schroeder) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:57:30 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem References: <8CE500015D1275F-1B24-68B21@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <14B6E59DF66D408CBE6681D0957439C0@greg> Scott, I would check the connections. I had to run a new wire to the solenoid since the other was in bad shape. You could have a similar issue. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Isensee" To: Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem > One of the valves in my air control box isn't working reliably. If I press > the > door up switch with the car not running, the valve for raising the > passenger > door doesn't click and the door doesn't open. With the car running, the > higher > voltage causes the valve to work part of the time. I took the valve apart > and > it looks fine. If I drain most of the pressure out of the air tank, then > the > valve works every time. So it looks like that valve is having a hard time > working when the system is at full pressure. The other 3 valves in the > control > box are all working fine. Any suggestions what to do? > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > Bricklin at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/gschroeder at comcast.net From rick at hightechcoatings.com Mon Oct 3 14:02:41 2011 From: rick at hightechcoatings.com (Rick at High Tech Coatings) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem Message-ID: my pass side one does the same, If there is some oil on the valve shaft it binds and doesn't open, I have to take it apart a couple of times a year and clean all the oil out of it then it is fine On 10/3/2011 12:24:40 PM, Scott Isensee (isensee at aol.com) wrote: > One of the valves in my air control box > isn't working reliably. If I press the > door up switch with the car not running, the valve for raising the passenger > door doesn't > click and the door doesn't open. With the car running, the higher > voltage causes the valve to work part of the time. I took the valve apart and > it looks fine. If I drain most of the pressure out of the air tank, then the > valve works every time. So it looks like that valve is having a hard time > working when the system is at full pressure. The other 3 valves in the control > box are all working fine. Any suggestions what to do? > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > Bricklin at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/rick at hightechcoatings.com From isensee at aol.com Mon Oct 3 15:23:32 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20111003153416.04d290a8@cox.net> References: <8CE500015D1275F-1B24-68B21@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20111003153416.04d290a8@cox.net> Message-ID: <8CE5029D6391A22-1B24-6F916@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> Thanks, John. That gives me some ideas for troubleshooting. The problem occurs the same whether I use the inside or outside door switches. I have air powered rather than electric solenoid door latches. I haven't done any work on the air doors recently and the passenger door sometimes works (drivers door always works fine) so I am sure there isn't a valve backwards. I'll do the testing you suggest this weekend. Scott -----Original Message----- From: John T. Blair To: bricklin Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Air valve problem At 12:24 PM 10/3/2011, Scott Isensee wrote: >One of the valves in my air control box isn't working reliably. If I press the door up switch with the car not >running, the valve for raising the passenger door doesn't click and the door doesn't open. With the car >running, the higher voltage causes the valve to work part of the time. >I took the valve apart and it looks fine. If I drain most of the pressure out of the air tank, then the valve works >every time. So it looks like that valve is having a hard time working when the system is at full pressure. The >other 3 valves in the control box are all working fine. Any suggestions what to do? Scott, It does sound like it is the air control solenoid. But before we jump on that horse, do you still have the old electric door latch solenoids? It could be that they are pulling too much current and causing the voltage to be low on the air solenoids. You could possibly check that with a volt meter. Connect the volt meter to the appropriate pin on the 4 pin connector in the air dist. box. Try to open the door. You should see some voltage at the pin that fires the up solenoid for the pass side only. Then if you can, disconnect the electric solenoid, and manually unlatch the door, then try the switch again. Did the voltage at the 4 pin connector pin change? If no, the the electric solenoid isn't the problem. The reducing air pressure really doesn't make much sense. The air control soldenoids only draw about 1/4 of an amp. Not much. But any large draw someplace else could cause the solenoid not to fire. But I don't understand why lowering the air pressure would change anything. Have you had the air solenoids out of the car for any reason just before this problem? If so, could you have installed the valve backwards? Although I'd think it would leak at full pressure then. There is a possibliity that the switch for the pass side is dirty and causing a large voltage drop when the switch is thrown. Thus not enough voltage getting to the solenoid to fire it. The difference in the other 3 circuits are: 2 of them are for the down and don't have the electric door release solenoids. 1 of them is the up for the dvr side. But that would be pretty close to the same as the pass side. Except: a. The wiring to the electric latch solenoid b. the switch for the pass. up. Does this happen with both the inside and outside passenger up switches? Or does either the inside or outside switch work? John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Bricklin at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/isensee at aol.com From isensee at aol.com Mon Oct 3 16:22:37 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE50321681C5FD-1E98-3FCD2@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> Thanks, Rick. I actually added some oil to mine when it was sticking assuming that would make it slide easier. I'll try cleaning it. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Rick at High Tech Coatings To: bl Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Air valve problem my pass side one does the same, If there is some oil on the valve shaft it binds and doesn't open, I have to take it apart a couple of times a year and clean all the oil out of it then it is fine On 10/3/2011 12:24:40 PM, Scott Isensee (isensee at aol.com) wrote: > One of the valves in my air control box > isn't working reliably. If I press the > door up switch with the car not running, the valve for raising the passenger > door doesn't > click and the door doesn't open. With the car running, the higher > voltage causes the valve to work part of the time. I took the valve apart and > it looks fine. If I drain most of the pressure out of the air tank, then the > valve works every time. So it looks like that valve is having a hard time > working when the system is at full pressure. The other 3 valves in the control > box are all working fine. Any suggestions what to do? > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > Bricklin at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/rick at hightechcoatings.com _______________________________________________ Bricklin at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/isensee at aol.com From jblair1948 at cox.net Mon Oct 3 17:16:30 2011 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:16:30 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem In-Reply-To: <8CE5029D6391A22-1B24-6F916@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE500015D1275F-1B24-68B21@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20111003153416.04d290a8@cox.net> <8CE5029D6391A22-1B24-6F916@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20111003190910.06ac5990@cox.net> At 05:23 PM 10/3/2011, you wrote: >That gives me some ideas for troubleshooting. The problem occurs the same >whether I use the inside or outside door switches. I have air powered rather than >electric solenoid door latches. I haven't done any work on the air doors recently and >the passenger door sometimes works (drivers door always works fine) so I am sure >there isn't a valve backwards. >I'll do the testing you suggest this weekend. Scott, Then I doubt that much of what I was saying is the problem. If it's common to both the inside and outside switches, then I doubt it's a switch. You have the air latches so it's probably not a power draw problem. It could be a dirty connection at the 4 pin connector to the air dist. panel. I'd check the voltage on the pin for that solenoid, on both sides of the connector. It could be a loose or dirty ground also. So check to see how the solenoids are grounded. I think all the ground sides of the solenoids are tied to one spot. You might want to take them apart, make sure each wire/ eye let is clean and that the connection point on the panel is clean. Use some sandpaper to clean the wires and panel. Then check the ground from the panel to a real ground or the neg. battery terminal. Also Rich (HTC) may have hit this one on the head. If it's not electrical, then his point about the oil may be it. I'm supprised that he says oil can cause it to stick. I would have suggested putting a drop of oil in the valve to lubricate the needle valve. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction From isensee at aol.com Wed Oct 5 17:19:25 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Air valve problem In-Reply-To: <8CE504C7B4E16CC-1E98-423D0@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE500015D1275F-1B24-68B21@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com><6.2.5.6.1.20111003153416.04d290a8@cox.net> <8CE5029D6391A22-1B24-6F916@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com> <8CE504C7B4E16CC-1E98-423D0@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE51CC5B2D4CC1-D70-2E85E@webmail-d180.sysops.aol.com> I found some time to troubleshoot a bit more tonight. Both the driver and passenger door raising valves are are getting 12 volts and the electromagnets on each have the same resistance (a small fraction of an ohm). I cleaned off the little bit of oil that was in the valve in case that was causing it to stick. The voltage on both sides are the same when the valves trigger. As I played with it, the air pressure dropped and, again, the passenger side valve starts to work much more reliably when the pressure gets down to 40 pounds or so. At 80-100 pounds, the driver side always works and the passenger side works only rarely. I don't know why, but at full pressure, that passenger side valve is having trouble moving. Scott From isensee at aol.com Sat Oct 8 09:35:12 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Fwd: Air Valve In-Reply-To: <8CE5288D0A60B2F-1D30-2DF96@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> References: <136D5CBB-1A8D-419B-ABBB-26676FB86290@aol.com> <8CE5288D0A60B2F-1D30-2DF96@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE53E700DB0A4D-1D30-4765D@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> I swapped the lines on the air valve that was not working well, as Dale suggested, and it is working now. I just wanted to pass that along in case it helps someone else. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Scott Isensee To: bricklin0095 Sent: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 4:48 pm Subject: Re: Valve Thanks, Dale. I'll give that a try. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Dalesnyder To: isensee Sent: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 4:45 pm Subject: Valve You may want to try reversing the lines going to the valve. Pressure may be holding the valve against the seat. Sent from my iPad From jblair1948 at cox.net Sat Oct 8 17:25:16 2011 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:25:16 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Fwd: Air Valve In-Reply-To: <8CE53E700DB0A4D-1D30-4765D@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> References: <136D5CBB-1A8D-419B-ABBB-26676FB86290@aol.com> <8CE5288D0A60B2F-1D30-2DF96@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> <8CE53E700DB0A4D-1D30-4765D@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20111008192238.04d99e38@cox.net> At 11:35 AM 10/8/2011, Scott Isensee wrote: > I swapped the lines on the air valve that was not working well, as Dale suggested, and it is >working now. I just wanted to pass that along in case it helps someone else. Scott, So where did you sway the air lines? Where they come out of the solenoids, into the solenoids, or up at the lift rams? Now that the side the wasn't working, did the problem change to the other side when you swapped the air lines? If not, my guess is that you had some dirt in the line that got blown out when you undid the lines. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction From isensee at aol.com Sat Oct 8 20:46:44 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 22:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Fwd: Air Valve In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20111008192238.04d99e38@cox.net> References: <136D5CBB-1A8D-419B-ABBB-26676FB86290@aol.com><8CE5288D0A60B2F-1D30-2DF96@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com><8CE53E700DB0A4D-1D30-4765D@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20111008192238.04d99e38@cox.net> Message-ID: <8CE5444D0993091-131C-4DF8D@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> John, I switched the two air lines that go to the passenger side up solenoid in the air box.The drivers side continues to work fine. Scott -----Original Message----- From: John T. Blair To: bricklin Sent: Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:24 pm Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Fwd: Air Valve At 11:35 AM 10/8/2011, Scott Isensee wrote: > I swapped the lines on the air valve that was not working well, as Dale suggested, and it is >working now. I just wanted to pass that along in case it helps someone else. Scott, So where did you sway the air lines? Where they come out of the solenoids, into the solenoids, or up at the lift rams? Now that the side the wasn't working, did the problem change to the other side when you swapped the air lines? If not, my guess is that you had some dirt in the line that got blown out when you undid the lines. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Bricklin at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/isensee at aol.com From jblair1948 at cox.net Sun Oct 9 07:01:37 2011 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:01:37 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Fwd: Air Valve In-Reply-To: <8CE5444D0993091-131C-4DF8D@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> References: <136D5CBB-1A8D-419B-ABBB-26676FB86290@aol.com> <8CE5288D0A60B2F-1D30-2DF96@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> <8CE53E700DB0A4D-1D30-4765D@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20111008192238.04d99e38@cox.net> <8CE5444D0993091-131C-4DF8D@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20111009085548.04d9b130@cox.net> At 10:46 PM 10/8/2011, Scott Isensee wrote: >I switched the two air lines that go to the passenger side up solenoid in the >air box.The drivers side continues to work fine. Scott, If I understand you correctly, you switched the two line at attach to passenger side solenoid. It that's the case, didn't you just turn reverse the solenoid? When was the last time you had the solenoids out? How long has the pass. door been giving you problems? I found out the hard way (Rick of HTC told me) the solenoids are directional. If you look very carefully you'll see an arrow etched in them. I believe it was on the bottom of the solenoid. I don't remember if my doors were doing what your's were. I think mine just leaked air as the pressure came up. I don't remember. It's been quite some time. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction From isensee at aol.com Sun Oct 9 09:58:00 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Fwd: Air Valve In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20111009085548.04d9b130@cox.net> References: <136D5CBB-1A8D-419B-ABBB-26676FB86290@aol.com><8CE5288D0A60B2F-1D30-2DF96@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com><8CE53E700DB0A4D-1D30-4765D@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com><6.2.5.6.1.20111008192238.04d99e38@cox.net><8CE5444D0993091-131C-4DF8D@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20111009085548.04d9b130@cox.net> Message-ID: <8CE54B35A605A49-131C-52C3B@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> John, Yes, I switched the two lines to the passenger side solenoid. I didn't move the base of the valve so the flow is now reversed. I can't see the bottom of the solenoid to tell is there is an arrow. The problem started several months ago and gradually got worse. I hadn't done anything to the air system so the problem wasn't the result of any change I made. In troubleshooting the problem, I unscrewed the solenoid and made sure the valve moved freely (which it always did). I tried putting some light oil on it and later, when someone mentioned that could cause binding, I cleaned it up. Neither made any difference. It appears that the solenoid works in either direction, but well in one and poorly in the other. Although it is puzzling that it worked for the 25 years I have owned the car and only had problems recently. Scott -----Original Message----- From: John T. Blair To: bricklin Sent: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:32 am Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Fwd: Air Valve At 10:46 PM 10/8/2011, Scott Isensee wrote: >I switched the two air lines that go to the passenger side up solenoid in the >air box.The drivers side continues to work fine. Scott, If I understand you correctly, you switched the two line at attach to passenger side solenoid. It that's the case, didn't you just turn reverse the solenoid? When was the last time you had the solenoids out? How long has the pass. door been giving you problems? I found out the hard way (Rick of HTC told me) the solenoids are directional. If you look very carefully you'll see an arrow etched in them. I believe it was on the bottom of the solenoid. I don't remember if my doors were doing what your's were. I think mine just leaked air as the pressure came up. I don't remember. It's been quite some time. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Bricklin at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/isensee at aol.com From krodgers at nautel.com Sat Oct 29 11:24:30 2011 From: krodgers at nautel.com (Kevin Rodgers) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 Message-ID: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9A0@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> Anyone have the Motorcraft part number for the oil filter handy?? Thanks Kevin VINs 2455, 2824 From isensee at aol.com Sat Oct 29 16:52:50 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 In-Reply-To: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9A0@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> References: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9A0@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> Message-ID: <28C4ABE3-224E-4313-9311-4E984B73C21B@aol.com> I use the FL-300. Scott Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2011, at 12:24 PM, "Kevin Rodgers" wrote: > Anyone have the Motorcraft part number for the oil filter handy?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kevin > > VINs 2455, 2824 > _______________________________________________ > Bricklin at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/isensee at aol.com From krodgers at nautel.com Sat Oct 29 17:33:01 2011 From: krodgers at nautel.com (Kevin Rodgers) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 In-Reply-To: <28C4ABE3-224E-4313-9311-4E984B73C21B@aol.com> References: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9A0@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> <28C4ABE3-224E-4313-9311-4E984B73C21B@aol.com> Message-ID: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9B1@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> The FL-300 seems like it is hard to get but someone told me the FL-842 will work as a replacement. Is anyone using the FL-842? Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Scott Isensee [mailto:isensee at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:53 PM To: Kevin Rodgers Cc: Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 I use the FL-300. Scott Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2011, at 12:24 PM, "Kevin Rodgers" wrote: > Anyone have the Motorcraft part number for the oil filter handy?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kevin > > VINs 2455, 2824 From isensee at aol.com Sun Oct 30 14:20:27 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 In-Reply-To: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9B1@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> References: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9A0@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms><28C4ABE3-224E-4313-9311-4E984B73C21B@aol.com> <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9B1@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> Message-ID: <8CE6560E0DA3843-18C-C1E6@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> It surprises me you would have any trouble finding an FL-300. That's a very common filter since lots of Fords with 351 engines take it. I usually get them at Walmart. You can always mail order them from someplace like rockauto.com, if you can't find them locally. The FL-1A is another alternative, but that is longer than the other two and harder to install on a Bricklin. I am not sure if the FL-842 will fit. Filters from other brands that are equivalent to the FL-300 are Wix 51068, Napa FIL1068 and Purolator L20081. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Rodgers To: Bricklin Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 The FL-300 seems like it is hard to get but someone told me the FL-842 will work as a replacement. Is anyone using the FL-842? Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Scott Isensee [mailto:isensee at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:53 PM To: Kevin Rodgers Cc: Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 I use the FL-300. Scott Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2011, at 12:24 PM, "Kevin Rodgers" wrote: > Anyone have the Motorcraft part number for the oil filter handy?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kevin > > VINs 2455, 2824 _______________________________________________ Bricklin at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/isensee at aol.com From breton48 at live.com Sun Oct 30 16:41:43 2011 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:41:43 -0600 Subject: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 In-Reply-To: <8CE6560E0DA3843-18C-C1E6@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> References: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9A0@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms><28C4ABE3-224E-4313-9311-4E984B73C21B@aol.com> <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10B8BE9B1@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> <8CE6560E0DA3843-18C-C1E6@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I could not find the FL300 at two local Wal-Mart stores either. I bought and fitted a Motocraft FL-820S instead, which Wal-Mart had in stock. Besides the filters mentioned below, other choices are Fram PH43 and Bosch 3402. JLC in Colorado #2121 -----Original Message----- From: bricklin-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bricklin-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Isensee Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 3:20 PM To: krodgers at nautel.com; Bricklin at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 It surprises me you would have any trouble finding an FL-300. That's a very common filter since lots of Fords with 351 engines take it. I usually get them at Walmart. You can always mail order them from someplace like rockauto.com, if you can't find them locally. The FL-1A is another alternative, but that is longer than the other two and harder to install on a Bricklin. I am not sure if the FL-842 will fit. Filters from other brands that are equivalent to the FL-300 are Wix 51068, Napa FIL1068 and Purolator L20081. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Rodgers To: Bricklin Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 The FL-300 seems like it is hard to get but someone told me the FL-842 will work as a replacement. Is anyone using the FL-842? Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Scott Isensee [mailto:isensee at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:53 PM To: Kevin Rodgers Cc: Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 I use the FL-300. Scott Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2011, at 12:24 PM, "Kevin Rodgers" wrote: > Anyone have the Motorcraft part number for the oil filter handy?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kevin > > VINs 2455, 2824 _______________________________________________ Bricklin at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/isensee at aol.com _______________________________________________ Bricklin at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/breton48 at live.com From rick at hightechcoatings.com Mon Oct 31 03:07:08 2011 From: rick at hightechcoatings.com (Rick at High Tech Coatings) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:07:08 -0400 Subject: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 Message-ID: <447F5003CFC94474B3EF677EED560B7A@work> On 10/30/2011 5:20:27 PM, Scott Isensee (isensee at aol.com) wrote: >> > Filters from other brands that are equivalent to the FL-300 are Wix 51068, > > Napa FIL1068 and Purolator L20081. > > Scott The wix and napa filters are the same filter built by wix and both are good filters, the purolator is the same as the motorcraft as Purolator makes motorcraft, I would stay away from fram and other no name brands, they are mostly poorly made From diraxel at yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 12:32:29 2011 From: diraxel at yahoo.com (^_^) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 In-Reply-To: <447F5003CFC94474B3EF677EED560B7A@work> Message-ID: <1320089549.90004.YahooMailClassic@web126018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Anybody tried the HP-2004 from K&N? http://store.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HP-2004 From isensee at aol.com Mon Oct 31 13:45:44 2011 From: isensee at aol.com (Scott Isensee) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 In-Reply-To: <1320089549.90004.YahooMailClassic@web126018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1320089549.90004.YahooMailClassic@web126018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE662531D036EB-5E8-B7077@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> I haven't tried the K&N, but they are supposed to be good quality filters. Here is a comparison that provides some comparisons of filter construction and quality across brands: http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html Scott -----Original Message----- From: (^_^) To: bl Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:25 am Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Oil filter for 75 Anybody tried the HP-2004 from K&N? http://store.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HP-2004 _______________________________________________ Bricklin at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/bricklin/isensee at aol.com