From tbar68 at optonline.net Mon Nov 2 19:23:28 2009 From: tbar68 at optonline.net (Tina Barrett) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:23:28 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] ouch-bricklin named #10 ugliest car in last 50 years Message-ID: See link for article from Business Week. Lists the Bricklin at number 10 of 50. (Of course what Business Week has to do with car aesthetics, I will never understand...) http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/108046/fifty-ugliest-cars-of-the-past-50-years.html?mod=family-autos No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.45/2476 - Release Date: 11/02/09 07:51:00 From gschroeder at comcast.net Mon Nov 2 23:17:06 2009 From: gschroeder at comcast.net (Greg Schroeder) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:17:06 -0600 Subject: [Bricklin] ouch-bricklin named #10 ugliest car in last 50 years References: Message-ID: <610EFF3145AE42579C564B8298D9EE94@greg> They inlcuded the Enzo also, so not bad company. They really seem to bash the 70's designs. They listed some of the designers on other cars, but left Herb Grasse of the Bricklin credit. Greg 0036 From rick at hightechcoatings.com Tue Nov 3 08:48:48 2009 From: rick at hightechcoatings.com (Rick at High Tech Coatings) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:48:48 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] ouch-bricklin named #10 ugliest car in last 50 years Message-ID: <8F43AF0A57C94FBAAB2FF3AF6615C001@work> well I can agree on some of the entries like the pacer and anything scion, the bricklin does not belong there, now if it was the 50 worst engineered cars Maybe LOL, but the design is timeless and still "valid" today. On 11/2/2009 9:23:28 PM, Tina Barrett (tbar68 at optonline.net) wrote: > See link for article from Business Week. Lists the Bricklin at number 10 > of 50. (Of course what Business Week has to do with car aesthetics, I > will never understand...) > > http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/108046/fifty-ugliest-cars-of- > the-past-50-years.html?mod=family-autos > No virus found in this outgoing message. From brickowner at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 10:18:37 2009 From: brickowner at gmail.com (Rick Hayes) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:18:37 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] ouch-bricklin named #10 ugliest car in last 50 years Message-ID: I would hate to see his idea of a beautiful car if he thinks the Bricklin is ugly! Rick Hayes Vin 782 Sent from my iPod From ustow at ptd.net Tue Nov 3 10:25:15 2009 From: ustow at ptd.net (George T. Geissinger) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:25:15 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Ugley list Message-ID: <88E47341F84A460B91A8E7CABD5055AF@george10kgtit7> . I see another of my messages never made it to a post. Maybe another one of those guys who couldn't get his dad or wife to let him buy one so now he acts like he hates them. When you look at the other 9 half were Foreign boxes. I think he got the wrong American Motors car. He listed the Gremlin and missed the Pacer. Another guy with a job and no sense to go with it. 127GEORGE!! [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From pktgooch at yahoo.com Tue Nov 3 11:59:17 2009 From: pktgooch at yahoo.com (Steve Stratton) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Bricklin] ouch-bricklin named #10 ugliest car in last 50 years In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <783921.35790.qm@web113215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This knucklehead would not know beauty if it bit him on the butt. He would probably stand in front the Mona Lisa itself and complain that she really was ugly and probably had bad teeth. My problem with articles like this is that they are completely based on the opinions of one person: the author. And most of them are used to fill space to keep up the page count of a magazine. Business Week should not be anywhere near this article. You would think that they would have more important things to riff on, like the 1.4 Trillion Dollar US Deficit for the fiscal year that just ended, 10% unemployment, etc. The other issue is with the journalist himself. If you look at most of the pictures used in the article, he cites Wikipedia as a source. That, in and of itself, is lazy and questionable journalism. If I had to take a guess, I would say that he has probably never seen, in person, 40 or more of the 50 cars on his list. If he had, unless he is one of these "Christopher Steiner" types (the author of $20.00 a Gallon, How the Rise In Gas Prices Will Make Your Life Better; who has never seen a car that he liked (and yes, I read the book)), he would change his tune about half of them, the Bricklin included. Just my thoughts. Take care, Steve Stratton VIN # 2856 & 2889 From randyhouston106 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 7 09:15:02 2009 From: randyhouston106 at yahoo.com (Randy Houston) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:15:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps Message-ID: <888187.35098.qm@web57409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Howdy! I have 2 questions today. 1. The white hard shell of my 1975 gull-wing doors is separating from the frame. What is the best to reattach safely without harming the car's integrity? 2. Whats the best place to get center caps for my E-T rims? Couldn't find them anywhere on the Internet. Thank you, Randy #1045 From lvphotogroup at cox.net Sat Nov 7 11:28:11 2009 From: lvphotogroup at cox.net (Larry Ankeny) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:28:11 -0800 Subject: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps References: <888187.35098.qm@web57409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001ca5fd8$1c980560$1400a8c0@editing> Randy, The doors skins are glued to the metal frame. I believe Terry Tanner says to use 3M MARINE ADHESIVE SEALANT 5200. Part number 051135-06500 I got a couple of tubes of it last year for my doors, but haven't got to that part of the rebuild yet. To get a good bond, it has to be applied to bare metal and clean fiberglass. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. Larry in LV #2046 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Houston" To: Cc: "Bill Reigle" Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps > Howdy! > > I have 2 questions today. > > 1. The white hard shell of my 1975 gull-wing doors is separating from the > frame. What is the best to reattach safely without harming the car's > integrity? > > 2. Whats the best place to get center caps for my E-T rims? Couldn't find > them > anywhere on the Internet. > > Thank you, > Randy > #1045 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as lvphotogroup at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: 11/07/09 07:38:00 From jblair1948 at cox.net Sat Nov 7 14:46:32 2009 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps In-Reply-To: <002001ca5fd8$1c980560$1400a8c0@editing> References: <888187.35098.qm@web57409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <002001ca5fd8$1c980560$1400a8c0@editing> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091107163747.01fe8878@cox.net> At 01:28 PM 11/7/2009, Larry Ankeny wrote: >The doors skins are glued to the metal frame. I believe Terry Tanner says to >use 3M MARINE ADHESIVE SEALANT 5200. Part number 051135-06500 >I got a couple of tubes of it last year for my doors, but haven't got to that part >of the rebuild yet. The adheasive depends on what you're doing. If you are just trying to relaminate the skin to the door in a small area, almost any adheasive will do. Some have used Silkaflex, the window sealer tape, etc. The problem with a lot of the new heavy duty adheasives require a special gun that runs from $60 up, depending on which adheasive you are using. >To get a good bond, it has to be applied to bare metal and clean fiberglass. As Larry says, you want to clean the underside of the door skin, and the metal door frame the best you can. If you plan to redo the entire door skin, you should remove the skin, and then check to see if all the mods to the doors have been done. Unless Terry has changed adheasives reciently, he has been recommending Norton Speed Grip (15) for the last couple of years. But this is best used if you are redoing the entire skin, as it is a 2 part epoxy. One load will do 1 door and the adheasive will run about $25. The gun to apply the 2 parts is about $60. >2. Whats the best place to get center caps for my E-T rims? Couldn't find them > anywhere on the Internet. Can't be much help here. I'd say try Terry or one of the B vendors. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From treefrogno9 at webtv.net Sat Nov 7 16:27:49 2009 From: treefrogno9 at webtv.net (D Walker) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:27:49 GMT Subject: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps Message-ID: Didn't someone at one time weld a extension strip around the inside edge of the door frame to double the width of the glue seam area? It seems like that would give a much better bond to the door skin. It would add a little weight to the door. But a wider metal contact area (Even if only done to the roof area.) would have to be stronger if it was double the width, perpaired right and modern glues were used. For E-T center caps you can try Whiteys Wheels www.whiteyswheels.com in Hughesville Pa. Thanks From serge.ber at sympatico.ca Sat Nov 7 18:47:47 2009 From: serge.ber at sympatico.ca (serge berube) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:47:47 +0000 Subject: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i was thinking of that this summer ..the only thing was wondering if it would worp door shell guess spot weld and tig weld it ..but still worried about that lol > From: treefrogno9 at webtv.net > To: jblair1948 at cox.net; bricklin at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:27:49 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps > > Didn't someone at one time weld a extension strip around the inside edge of the door frame to double the width of the glue seam area? It seems like that would give a much better bond to the door skin. It would add a little weight to the door. But a wider metal contact area (Even if only done to the roof area.) would have to be stronger if it was double the width, perpaired right and modern glues were used. For E-T center caps you can try Whiteys Wheels www.whiteyswheels.com in Hughesville Pa. Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as serge.ber at sympatico.ca > > http://www.team.net/archive From jblair1948 at cox.net Sun Nov 8 10:07:38 2009 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:07:38 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Front wheel bearing Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091108120617.01db1df0@cox.net> Anybody have a picture of a disintegrated front wheel bearing with the inner part of the bearing dry welded to the axel? John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From jblair1948 at cox.net Mon Nov 9 14:36:51 2009 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:36:51 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Steve Ickes Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091109163509.01dcc5e8@cox.net> Steve, If you are on the mailing list, please email me privately. I just send you an email, and it got bounced back. So I'm assuming that you've changed your email address (what I have: steve-kath at twmi.rr.com). John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From paul-amo at comcast.net Mon Nov 9 23:52:51 2009 From: paul-amo at comcast.net (Paul J. Amoroso) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:52:51 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps In-Reply-To: <888187.35098.qm@web57409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <888187.35098.qm@web57409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AF90DC3.7060203@comcast.net> To the Killer B's: I have used 3 M Epoxy #2216 B/A for years - never had a failure in a bond even when not completely clean metal. My uncle worked for 3M for 40 years and I asked him about what to use. He had their tech department answer my questions and this is what they recommended. When my uncle retired from 3M a couple of years ago, I asked if he could get me a deal on some. He did. I would be willing to send a kit to whom ever wants one, if they pay for the shipping. The kit is 2 oz of part A and 1.3 oz of part B with instructions - mix in a 3:2 ratio. Very simple, easy cleanup. I love the stuff. Caution: do not use on your kids' lips, no matter how much you want to....not in the instructions but a condition of sale. I got more than what I would be able to use....either that or I'm going to have to invest in a lot more B's. So I figure it's cheaper to give the stuff away! I'll give away what I don't think I'll ever have a use for and my uncle would think I'm as cool as he is. I could live with that. Paul (Amo) Amoroso #1207 paul-amo at comcast.net Randy Houston wrote: > Howdy! > > I have 2 questions today. > > 1. The white hard shell of my 1975 gull-wing doors is separating from the > frame. What is the best to reattach safely without harming the car's > integrity? > > 2. Whats the best place to get center caps for my E-T rims? Couldn't find them > anywhere on the Internet. > > Thank you, > Randy > #1045 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as paul-amo at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From serge.ber at sympatico.ca Tue Nov 10 05:43:39 2009 From: serge.ber at sympatico.ca (serge berube) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:43:39 +0000 Subject: [Bricklin] engines Message-ID: hi ...ive never seen a different engine in a bricklin ..i know its bolt on ..351 windsor in a volvo ...but can we drop a volvo engine in a bricklin? ..or other engines ..has this been done yet ? id love to put rotory engine mazda 13 b with twin turbos lol ..it be cool ...and different...i know but its nice to dream about it lol serge From glcurley at aol.com Tue Nov 10 07:39:44 2009 From: glcurley at aol.com (George Curley) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AF97B30.40206@aol.com> LOL thanks that made my day. How to make a Bricklin less reliable?...a twin turbo rotary. Actually in all seriousness I love rotary engines but IMHO a Bricklin is much too heavy for a 13B. It needs something bigger and with more torque, such as a corvette engine lol. George #670, 220 (and numerous RX-7s) serge berube wrote: > hi ...ive never seen a different engine in a bricklin ..i know its bolt on > ..351 windsor in a volvo ...but can we drop a volvo engine in a bricklin? ..or > other engines ..has this been done yet ? id love to put rotory engine mazda 13 > b with twin turbos lol ..it be cool ...and different...i know but its nice to > dream about it lol serge > _______________________________________________ From breton48 at live.com Tue Nov 10 07:43:49 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:43:49 -0700 Subject: [Bricklin] engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a 1983 Mazda RX7 with a 12A, only slightly less powerful than the 13B of those years. Those engines are meant to rev high, and don't have much torque. My stock 12A had 100 lbs hp and the same figure for torque. The second generation RX7 had more powerful 13B engines, especially with the turbo. The most powerful 13B engine had 200 hp. With twin turbos, you are going to have more HP, but probably still not that much torque. The biggest advantage would be that these engines are light and very compact. I personally don't like the sound they make at all! A 20B would be a lot more powerful. Considering the Bricklin weighs close to 4000 lbs, the best swop would be for a V8 of same or higher displacement and lots of torque, right? Some six cylinders engines might fit, and some of those engines have lots of torque (truck engines?) Would a Volvo inline 6 be too long? My wife Chevrolet Astro Van has a 4.3 V6 which has more horsepower and torque (200 hp and 260 torque) than my stock Bricklin 351W. Would that fit? By the way, I don't know how much her van weighs, but it is definitely quicker off the mark than my Bricklin! JLC #2121 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi ...ive never seen a different engine in a bricklin ..i know its bolt on ..351 windsor in a volvo ...but can we drop a volvo engine in a bricklin? ..or other engines ..has this been done yet ? id love to put rotory engine mazda 13 b with twin turbos lol ..it be cool ...and different...i know but its nice to dream about it lol serge _______________________________________________ From treefrogno9 at webtv.net Tue Nov 10 09:07:15 2009 From: treefrogno9 at webtv.net (D Walker) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:07:15 GMT Subject: [Bricklin] engines Message-ID: I saw a twin engined northstar Caddy at a show in Carlisle one time. You could choose to run it on the front engine or the rear engine or both engines at the same time. What a sleeper. That would give you all the torque you would ever need! From ustow at ptd.net Tue Nov 10 10:23:14 2009 From: ustow at ptd.net (George T. Geissinger) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] engines References: Message-ID: <1B57CF1F4DCC464A94137399DBC8E178@george10kgtit7> I bought my Bricklin with a Chrysler 340. It works well. It is smaller, lighter, and has more power than the 360. Lots more room under the hood. It still uses the Torkflite trans so everything should have been a bolt in there. 127GEORGE!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "serge berube" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:43 AM Subject: [Bricklin] engines > hi ...ive never seen a different engine in a bricklin ..i know its bolt on > ..351 windsor in a volvo ...but can we drop a volvo engine in a bricklin? > ..or > other engines ..has this been done yet ? id love to put rotory engine > mazda 13 > b with twin turbos lol ..it be cool ...and different...i know but its nice > to > dream about it lol serge > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as ustow at ptd.net > > http://www.team.net/archive [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From rick at hightechcoatings.com Tue Nov 10 11:22:47 2009 From: rick at hightechcoatings.com (Rick at High Tech Coatings) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:22:47 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] engines Message-ID: <743AEB9082D6480593FF9002E9928961@work> The 4.3 is no match for the 351 with a few mods, and the mods to the 351 are easier than doing a complete engine swap. In the 70's ford like most manufactures dropped compression and cam profiles to get emissions where they need them, they have since found much better cleaner ways to do it and with compression bumped up and a better cam intake and carb the 351 can do very well. If you change the heads they can do even better, the factory ford heads are very restrictive on the exhaust side. On 11/10/2009 9:43:49 AM, JLC (breton48 at live.com) wrote: > My wife Chevrolet Astro Van has a 4.3 > V6 > which has more horsepower and torque (200 hp and 260 torque) than my > stock > Bricklin 351W. Would that fit? By the way, I don't know how much her van > weighs, but it is definitely quicker off the mark than my Bricklin! > > JLC > #2121 From rick at hightechcoatings.com Tue Nov 10 11:23:26 2009 From: rick at hightechcoatings.com (Rick at High Tech Coatings) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:23:26 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] engine swap Message-ID: <0077BA43CCE846A68769C76E1FE90B80@work> Like other have said a 13B may be cool but has no torque, just build a nice 351 or stroke it to 408 and be done, 500 Hp is and easy goal and very drivable with a 408 and some aftermarket parts, If 500 hp isn't enough, they can go up from there by adding a turbo or 2 or a centrifugal super charger, You can get to well over 100 hp that way but cooling it on the street may be come an issue. On 11/10/2009 7:43:39 AM, serge berube (serge.ber at sympatico.ca) wrote: > hi ...ive never seen a different engine in a bricklin ..i know its bolt > on > ..351 windsor in a volvo ...but can we drop a volvo engine in a bricklin? .. > or > other engines ..has this been done yet ? id love to put rotory engine > mazda 13 > b with twin turbos lol ..it be cool ...and different...i know but its nice > to > dream about it lol serge From gschroeder at comcast.net Tue Nov 10 17:12:00 2009 From: gschroeder at comcast.net (Greg Schroeder) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:12:00 -0600 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions Message-ID: I had replaced my original pump with a Viair 325. I also installed an inline fuse. If the tank is empty and I try to pump it up I am blowing the fuse and the wire is getting hot. I feel I need to use a thicker wire with this pump as compared to the other one since the amp draw appears to be higher. I could not find any information on Viair site, but found a install kit with a 12 gauge wire. What would someone recommend for a replacement wire and inline fuse amperage. Greg 0036 From rick at hightechcoatings.com Tue Nov 10 18:03:47 2009 From: rick at hightechcoatings.com (Rick at High Tech Coatings) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions Message-ID: <15D9E1C4B3424FBBB4B0B310CE45B5B5@work> I would also run a relay in line, switch the relay with the pressure switch so that it takes the electrical load off the pressure switch, for the feed lines I always use 10 gauge minimum. On 11/10/2009 7:12:00 PM, Greg Schroeder (gschroeder at comcast.net) wrote: > I had replaced my original pump with a Viair 325. I also installed an > inline > fuse. If the tank is empty and I try to pump it up I am blowing the fuse > and > the wire is getting hot. I feel I need to use a thicker wire with this > pump > as compared to the other one since the amp draw appears to be higher. I > could > not find any information on Viair site, but found a install kit with a 12 > gauge wire. What would someone recommend for a replacement wire and > inline > fuse amperage. > > Greg 0036 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as rick at hightechcoatings.com > > http://www.team.net/archive From krodgers at nautel.com Tue Nov 10 18:09:53 2009 From: krodgers at nautel.com (Kevin Rodgers) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:09:53 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions Message-ID: <73C9DD5521F9A24A8448B3D5E2725DE10520D1EA@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms> Where are you running the wire from? Assuming you are running the wire from the starter relay and using a relay for the Viair a 12 gage wire should be fine but you could use a 10 gage to reduce and loss. Before you change the wire you should measure the current draw of the pump. I would expect it to draw 15 to 20 amps. What size fuse is blowing now? Regards Kevin Vin 2824 and 2455 From sbunin at cablespeed.com Tue Nov 10 18:40:51 2009 From: sbunin at cablespeed.com (Seth) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:40:51 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AFA1623.8040907@cablespeed.com> Greg, the 325C has a max draw of 19amps at 13.8volts. The specs from their site (probably won't make it through the list): PSI CFM Current 0 1.77 9 10 1.48 11 20 1.34 13 30 1.27 14 40 1.22 15 50 1.17 16 60 1.11 17 70 1.06 17 80 1.02 17 90 0.99 18 100 0.95 18 110 0.92 19 120 0.88 19 130 0.85 19 140 0.79 19 150 0.76 19 I'm guessing your run is less than 15feet. The minimum wire gauge for that current and length is 14 gauge. Personally, I always like to go overkill so I'd probably go with 12 gauge. If you go with 12 gauge, it's good to 25 amps at a 15 foot run (good to 40 amps in a 10 foot run). So my suggestion: 12 gauge wire and a 25 amp fuse. By the way, I've got a 325C in my car and I went with 12 gauge. Also, if you haven't put one in, I'd really suggest installing an on/off switch. I found a very durable weatherproof three way switch that I installed in the driver's fender (switch in the wheel well). I've got it wired so one position is off. Another is tied to ignition voltage (keyed), and the last position is tied to battery. The normal position is in the ignition position so the pump will only come on when the vehicle is running. If however I come out to my car and the air tank is empty, I can switch it to the battery position and it will charge up my air tank so I'm not stuck outside the car. The last switch let's me shut the system down completely. The switch drives the low side of a relay through the standard pressure switch (I think I'm running a 110-145psi switch). The high side is what powers the pump and is tied directly to battery. I've attached a simple wiring schematic to illustrate what I'm talking about. Seth #1544 Greg Schroeder wrote: > I had replaced my original pump with a Viair 325. I also installed an inline > fuse. If the tank is empty and I try to pump it up I am blowing the fuse and > the wire is getting hot. I feel I need to use a thicker wire with this pump > as compared to the other one since the amp draw appears to be higher. I could > not find any information on Viair site, but found a install kit with a 12 > gauge wire. What would someone recommend for a replacement wire and inline > fuse amperage. > > Greg 0036 > _______________________________________________ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bricklin Compressor Wiring.jpg] From gschroeder at comcast.net Tue Nov 10 19:39:05 2009 From: gschroeder at comcast.net (Greg Schroeder) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:39:05 -0600 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions References: <4AFA1623.8040907@cablespeed.com> Message-ID: <53B9990F01D040338EE3672DA2EE2433@greg> Seth/All, Thanks for the information. After digging back through my emails I found I purchased a 400C instead of a 325C. I ended up getting it cheaper than the 325C at the time. Which may have been overkill and part of the cause for this issue due to more draw. I have a 125 PSI switch. Looks like I am still OK with the amperage since the 400c is at 26 amp draw. I will also look at the use of a relay that Rick suggested. I am using a toggle switch, but I am not really to keen on tying it to the ignition switch. Mine in the past would loose air overnight, before I took care of all the leaks. If a leak happened again I would have to get the ignition turned on to run the pump. Just to reply to a few other questions in one email. It was blowing a 30 amp fuse, but I am not sure of the wire gauge. I am guessing 14 by the look of it. The original pump had very thin lead wires compared to the Viair. This really had not been an issue since I had been filling it with an air compressor up to about 110 and then using the pump for the rest. I am mainly trying to get it realiable on it's own which made me run across this. The original air pump set up did not have a fuse and I felt that I needed to get one in there. I did the same for the door switches since mine was running direct from the battery. I decided to go on the overkill side by purchasing a 10 gauge wire and a 30 amp ATC fuse holder with 12 gauge lead wires since no one seems to have a 10 gauge leads even though they sell the wire. I will see how that works out, but from the emails 12 gauge seems to be the chosen wire. In reading up on the pump installation from Viair they recommend the pump to not get wet. Not a big concern since I never drive the car if there is a hint of rain, but has anyone mounted their air pump inside the car? I was thinking about behind the rear wheel on the drivers side behind the side trim panel. Not sure if there is enough room there or not, but I will probably look into that later. It will definitely be a shorter wire run. I will install it where it is behind the bumper right now to see how it performs before looking at relocating it. Greg 0036 From mike.walsh at walshware.com Tue Nov 10 20:06:06 2009 From: mike.walsh at walshware.com (Mike Walsh) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:06:06 -0600 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AFA2A1E.1090803@walshware.com> I don't know about that pump but a 12 gauge wire will carry 9.3 amps (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)... quite a but of electricity Greg Schroeder wrote: > I had replaced my original pump with a Viair 325. I also installed an inline > fuse. If the tank is empty and I try to pump it up I am blowing the fuse and > the wire is getting hot. I feel I need to use a thicker wire with this pump > as compared to the other one since the amp draw appears to be higher. I could > not find any information on Viair site, but found a install kit with a 12 > gauge wire. What would someone recommend for a replacement wire and inline > fuse amperage. > > Greg 0036 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as mike.walsh at walshware.com > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul-amo at comcast.net Tue Nov 10 21:14:24 2009 From: paul-amo at comcast.net (Paul J. Amoroso) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:14:24 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Doors & center caps In-Reply-To: References: <888187.35098.qm@web57409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AFA3A20.2080706@comcast.net> /fxYfwI: Permission denied From rick at hightechcoatings.com Wed Nov 11 03:45:51 2009 From: rick at hightechcoatings.com (Rick at High Tech Coatings) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions Message-ID: Greg I almost always put the pump behind the trim panel inside the car, nice clean install, less wire, less hose less hassle.Just make sure to rubber mount a bracket then rubber mount the compressor to it, They can be real noisy if not double rubber mounted. 10 gauge may seem like over kill but the longer the run the higher the gauge needs to be. The run length includes the ground. here is a wire gauge chart I found on line http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa278/RRRAAAYYY2/WiresizingchartBW.jpg On 11/10/2009 9:39:05 PM, Greg Schroeder (gschroeder at comcast.net) wrote: > Seth/All, > > Thanks for the information. After digging back through my emails I found > I > purchased a 400C instead of a 325C. I ended up getting it cheaper than > the > 325C at the time. Which may have been overkill and part of the cause for > this > issue due to more draw. I have a 125 PSI switch. Looks like I am still > OK > with the amperage since the 400c is at 26 amp draw. > > I will also look at the use of a relay that Rick suggested. I am using a > toggle switch, but I am not really to keen on tying it to the ignition > switch. > Mine in the past would loose air overnight, before I took care of all the > leaks. If a leak happened again I would have to get the ignition turned > on to > run the pump. > > Just to reply to a few other questions in one email. It was blowing a 30 > amp > fuse, but I am not sure of the wire gauge. I am guessing 14 by the look > of > it. The original pump had very thin lead wires compared to the Viair. > This > really had not been an issue since I had been filling it with an air > compressor up to about 110 and then using the pump for the rest. I am > mainly > trying to get From jblair1948 at cox.net Wed Nov 11 06:01:54 2009 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:01:54 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions In-Reply-To: <53B9990F01D040338EE3672DA2EE2433@greg> References: <4AFA1623.8040907@cablespeed.com> <53B9990F01D040338EE3672DA2EE2433@greg> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091111074043.01d879c8@cox.net> At 09:39 PM 11/10/2009, Greg Schroeder wrote: >Thanks for the information. After digging back through my emails I found I >purchased a 400C instead of a 325C. I ended up getting it cheaper than the >325C at the time. Which may have been overkill and part of the cause for this >issue due to more draw. I have a 125 PSI switch. Looks like I am still OK >with the amperage since the 400c is at 26 amp draw. Greg, With a 26 A draw you are going to want use about 12 gauge wire which I belieive Rick (HTC) said. >I will also look at the use of a relay that Rick suggested. I am using a >toggle switch, but I am not really to keen on tying it to the ignition switch. We've done several article about this in the magazine over the last 10 yrs. Since you bought a Viair compressor, I suggest that you also purchase their pressure switch with relay. It's a little plastic box, with a relay inside and the pressure switch: http://www.viaircorp.com/OffRoad/Parts/pswitchrelay.html You simply connect the wires appropriately, and put a T in the air line and connect it to the box and your good to go. No hassle with trying to wire up the relay, etc. The idea of the relay is to remove all high current from the pressure switch, and any on off switch etc. Run the power wire (12 gauge) from the hot side of the starter solenoid to the power in of their relay. You'll want to put a 30 to 40 amp fuse in the power line close to the starter solenoid just in case there is a problem. The higher your cutoff switch is, the more current the compressor will require. Viair has an 85/105 psi pressure switch and that should work with out any problems. And it reduces the current draw. >Mine in the past would loose air overnight, before I took care of all the >leaks. If a leak happened again I would have to get the ignition turned on to >run the pump. What I have done, and recommend is that you DO connect the control for the relay to a switched 12V source. That way, your compressor is only able to turn on when the ignition is turned on. I also use an emergency toggle switch to toggle the control side of the relay, in the case of no air in the system. When I turn on the toggle swtich, it energizes the relay, then since the system is low on air, the pressure switch closes and allows the relay to fire and turns on the compressor. This will require that you install a diode to keep from back feeding the electrical system when you turn on the toggle switch. >In reading up on the pump installation from Viair they recommend the pump to >not get wet. Not a big concern since I never drive the car if there is a hint >of rain, but has anyone mounted their air pump inside the car? I was thinking >about behind the rear wheel on the drivers side behind the side trim panel. Yes some people have done that and many other places. Some have put it in the well behind the driver, some up on the front fender well. I don't think you really want it in the car as it will make a lot of noise. Also it won't get a lot of air to help cool it. Mounting it on the front cross brace is about the best place to mount it. Terry has been doing this for years with no problems. Even if you are driving your car in the rain, I don't think the compressor get too wet there. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From gschroeder at comcast.net Wed Nov 11 10:04:14 2009 From: gschroeder at comcast.net (Greg Schroeder) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:04:14 -0600 Subject: [Bricklin] Air Pump wire recommendataions References: <4AFA1623.8040907@cablespeed.com><53B9990F01D040338EE3672DA2EE2433@greg> <6.2.5.6.1.20091111074043.01d879c8@cox.net> Message-ID: <029E20E0123E45C7A99BE2FDE445972F@greg> John, I did by the pressure switch from Viair I believe it is a 125 PSI, but it does not look like the one from the link. My doors seem to work best with about 110 PSI or more in the tank. I have some relays that I had purchased a while back so I can use one of those. I plan on leaving the pump where it is behind the front bumper until I get this worked out. I may leave it there since safe and reliable is what I am working for. Since I have fixed the leaks my pump does not kick on that often, but I always turn it off when I am not using the car. It seems to leak down below 100 after a couple of days if the tank was full and the doors were not used. Greg 0036 From khand1486 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 11 11:28:52 2009 From: khand1486 at earthlink.net (Kevin D. Hand) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:28:52 -0800 Subject: [Bricklin] Fwd: The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven References: <200911111239.1n8ha66cE3Nl34f0@mx-roseate.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <970DFC72-399C-4B1E-B370-B9335FF0D9B8@earthlink.net> FYI... Kevin Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Winding Road Magazine" > Date: November 11, 2009 9:39:18 AM PST > To: khand1486 at earthlink.net > Subject: The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven > > > > POPULAR NEWS > > List: The Top 10 Lightest 300 Horsepower Cars > > Driven: 2010 Honda Accord Crosstour > > List: Top Ten $5K Rallycross Cars > > Driven: 2011 Kia Sorento > > RECENT NEWS > > Volvo Releases First Images of S60 > > Spy Shots: Volkswagen Polo Sedan > > Buyer's Guide: 2010 Toyota Prius > > Video: 2010 MV Agusta F4 > > PDF EDITIONS > > WR 51: DEC 2009 PDF - $1.49 > > BMW Special Issue - $3.99 > > Yearly subscription - $4.99 > > > > > > The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven > > > > The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven > The return of the Gullwing. Mercedes has followed its SLR McLaren > with what appears to be a borderline genius supercar. 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NextAutos.com and Winding Road, > 4544 South Lamar, Building #G-300, Austin, TX 78745, USA From isensee at aol.com Wed Nov 11 13:38:27 2009 From: isensee at aol.com (isensee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:38:27 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Fwd: The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven In-Reply-To: <970DFC72-399C-4B1E-B370-B9335FF0D9B8@earthlink.net> References: <200911111239.1n8ha66cE3Nl34f0@mx-roseate.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <970DFC72-399C-4B1E-B370-B9335FF0D9B8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC31260E89C319-2B7C-4C1F@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> You could buy a whole fleet of Bricklins for the price of one of those Mercedes gull wings! Scott Isensee -----Original Message----- From: Kevin D. Hand To: bricklin at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 12:28 pm Subject: [Bricklin] Fwd: The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven FYI... Kevin Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Winding Road Magazine" > Date: November 11, 2009 9:39:18 AM PST > To: khand1486 at earthlink.net > Subject: The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven > > > > POPULAR NEWS > > List: The Top 10 Lightest 300 Horsepower Cars > > Driven: 2010 Honda Accord Crosstour > > List: Top Ten $5K Rallycross Cars > > Driven: 2011 Kia Sorento > > RECENT NEWS > > Volvo Releases First Images of S60 > > Spy Shots: Volkswagen Polo Sedan > > Buyer's Guide: 2010 Toyota Prius > > Video: 2010 MV Agusta F4 > > PDF EDITIONS > > WR 51: DEC 2009 PDF - $1.49 > > BMW Special Issue - $3.99 > > Yearly subscription - $4.99 > > > > > > The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven > > > > The Gullwing Returns: Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Driven > The return of the Gullwing. Mercedes has followed its SLR McLaren > with what appears to be a borderline genius supercar. Read now. > Read Article B; > > > For The Love Of The Van: 10 Amazing Sprinters > For those of you who suspected the heyday of the conversion van was > in the 1970s, we'd ask that you kindly click this way. Sprinters rule. > Read article B; > > > Winding Road Presents, The Ultimate BMW Issue > Don't let your Winding Road collection be incomplete! Bimmerphiles > and enthusiasts alike will love this huge Special Issue. > Read article B; > > > Ask It: 2010 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport > The new middle child of the Corvette range, the Grand Sport offers > LS3 power in the widebody package. Get your Vette questions in, here. > Read article B; > > > > Driven: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo > Porsche pulls the curtain on the most staggeringly capable 911 Turbo > of all time. > Read article B; > > > > Buyer's Guide: 2009 Lotus Exige S260 Sport > Looking for something in a take-no-prisoners track car for the > street? 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Upgrade now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691819 From gschroeder at comcast.net Fri Nov 20 15:19:14 2009 From: gschroeder at comcast.net (Greg Schroeder) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:19:14 -0600 Subject: [Bricklin] C4 Seat mounting Message-ID: Just recovered some C4 seats and getting ready to mount them to the floor. I know several have already done this. Any insight would be appreciated. I am concerned about the amount of space between the floor and the seat frame in the front. Do I need something solid for support of the frame to prevent it from cracking? If you know the bolt sizes that would be good also. I am assuming that new holes will have to be drilled also. Greg 0036 From bricklin0095 at aol.com Sat Nov 21 16:25:50 2009 From: bricklin0095 at aol.com (bricklin0095 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:25:50 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] seats. Message-ID: <8CC391918F3DE14-96EC-AEFA@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> When I put in 300 zx seats in my car, I? used 3/16 thick 2 inch wide steel (home depot). I bolted two strips across each of the new seats. Then bolted the original bricklin tracks to these so they would go into the original holes in the floor. From isensee at aol.com Thu Nov 26 14:41:50 2009 From: isensee at aol.com (isensee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:41:50 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review Message-ID: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWag8U6uU4 From khand1486 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 26 15:15:06 2009 From: khand1486 at earthlink.net (Kevin D. Hand) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:15:06 -0800 Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review In-Reply-To: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I HATE it when less than solid examples of Bricklins get this kind of coverage. :-( Kevin Sent from my iPhone On Nov 26, 2009, at 1:41 PM, isensee at aol.com wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWag8U6uU4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as khand1486 at earthlink.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From tbar68 at optonline.net Thu Nov 26 19:43:41 2009 From: tbar68 at optonline.net (Tina Barrett) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review References: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2488FA5EC124427C81873BCAF46E1705@win2000> Hello?!? Did the announcer it this clip all it a 1975 Bricklin "EV-1"? I played it back several times and I could swear he doesn't say "SV-1." Wow, talk about crappy coverage... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWag8U6uU4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as tbar68 at optonline.net > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: 11/26/09 09:10:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: 11/26/09 09:10:00 From tbar68 at optonline.net Thu Nov 26 19:45:53 2009 From: tbar68 at optonline.net (Tina Barrett) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:45:53 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review References: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <35A6EE4C4F3445738B32B32EDE14B29D@win2000> Yeah, Kevin, I'd say this was a pretty awful example. He says $8K on its best day, but I wouldn't give that for it... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin D. Hand" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review >I HATE it when less than solid examples of Bricklins get this kind of > coverage. :-( > > Kevin > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 26, 2009, at 1:41 PM, isensee at aol.com wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWag8U6uU4 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Bricklin at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin >> >> You are subscribed as khand1486 at earthlink.net >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as tbar68 at optonline.net > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: 11/26/09 09:10:00 From serge.ber at sympatico.ca Thu Nov 26 20:18:04 2009 From: serge.ber at sympatico.ca (serge berube) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:18:04 +0000 Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review In-Reply-To: <35A6EE4C4F3445738B32B32EDE14B29D@win2000> References: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>, , <35A6EE4C4F3445738B32B32EDE14B29D@win2000> Message-ID: that bricklin was in poor condition....not to fare for this classic car... he should take this car for a weekend then give his input lol ...its sv1 not ev1 lol > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:45:53 -0500 > From: tbar68 at optonline.net > To: khand1486 at earthlink.net; isensee at aol.com > CC: bricklin at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review > > Yeah, Kevin, I'd say this was a pretty awful example. He says $8K on its > best day, but I wouldn't give that for it... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin D. Hand" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review > > > >I HATE it when less than solid examples of Bricklins get this kind of > > coverage. :-( > > > > Kevin > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Nov 26, 2009, at 1:41 PM, isensee at aol.com wrote: > > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWag8U6uU4 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Bricklin at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > >> > >> You are subscribed as khand1486 at earthlink.net > >> > >> http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > > > You are subscribed as tbar68 at optonline.net > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: 11/26/09 > 09:10:00 > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: 11/26/09 09:10:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as serge.ber at sympatico.ca > > http://www.team.net/archive From khand1486 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 26 20:18:45 2009 From: khand1486 at earthlink.net (Kevin D. Hand) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:18:45 -0800 Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review In-Reply-To: <2488FA5EC124427C81873BCAF46E1705@win2000> References: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> <2488FA5EC124427C81873BCAF46E1705@win2000> Message-ID: <0BF3B09D-579A-4024-981D-A48B3898C1DF@earthlink.net> Yeah, he said EV-1...another self proclaimed "expert" that doesn't know s**t, and has the gall to tell us that the Beicklin is only worth $8k on a good day. The only thing he did right in my mind was to infer that cars sitting in storage aren't worth what their owners think they're worth. Cars aren't meant to sit and dry rot in storage... Kevin Sent from my iPhone On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Tina Barrett wrote: > Hello?!? Did the announcer it this clip all it a 1975 Bricklin > "EV-1"? I > played it back several times and I could swear he doesn't say > "SV-1." Wow, > talk about crappy coverage... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 4:41 PM > Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWag8U6uU4 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Bricklin at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin >> >> You are subscribed as tbar68 at optonline.net >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: > 11/26/09 > 09:10:00 > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: > 11/26/09 09:10:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as khand1486 at earthlink.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From bubbaape at earthlink.net Fri Nov 27 10:11:29 2009 From: bubbaape at earthlink.net (Bubbaape) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:11:29 -0800 Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review In-Reply-To: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <77A285D839134F4D9D169D7679FF685A@ktx2sys> If you protest the poor professionalism of this pseudojournalist with poor taste you know what to do... Go to YouTube and flag the clip as offensive or inappropriate but keep flagging it as crap and it will go away. If you go to their website: http://www.sportscarmarket.com/ you can complain straight to the magazine. -----Original Message----- From: bricklin-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bricklin-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of isensee at aol.com Sent: 26 November 2009 13:42 To: bricklin at autox.team.net Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWag8U6uU4 Bricklin at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin You are subscribed as bubbaape at earthlink.net http://www.team.net/archive From tbar68 at optonline.net Fri Nov 27 20:07:51 2009 From: tbar68 at optonline.net (Tina Barrett) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:07:51 -0500 Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review References: <8CC3CF8659418B1-5AA0-36BDC@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3F760221110F4704BAFEB25F547516FE@win2000> Just got this in my spam mail from Sports Car Market. I think all the Brick owners on the west coast should bombard him: Dear Collector Car Friends: We want your car on high-definition TV! Next week, on Thursday, December 3, we will be shooting an episode of "What's My Car Worth" for Discovery HD Theater. Keith Martin and Bill Stephens will be the hosts. They will be appraising your car on TV, and discussing its current market value with you in a format similar to "Appraise My Car." The shoot will be in Los Angeles. Our slots are very limited; if you would like to be considered, and have one of the cars listed below or something of similar interest, send some information and a couple of photos to: whatsmycarworth at yahoo.com Deadline for applications is Monday, November 30, at 6 pm PST. BONUS: The owner of every car selected will receive a free, signed copy of Keith Martin's new, hot-selling book, Keith Martin's Guide to Car Collecting ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [Bricklin] Sports Car Market gives Bricklin a poor review > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWag8U6uU4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Bricklin at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bricklin > > You are subscribed as tbar68 at optonline.net > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: 11/26/09 09:10:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.84/2530 - Release Date: 11/27/09 07:58:00