From bugeye at drooartz.com  Mon Jan  4 19:08:48 2010
From: bugeye at drooartz.com (Andrew Frink)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:08:48 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Question from new member
References: <BAY132-W29A2D933E57E475077EA8ACC760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FB6DDAAC-A138-46B1-A626-1C24D92A50FC@drooartz.com>

A new member just emailed me with this question (see below) about some parts
needed for his Spitfire restoration. If anyone can help, please email him at
the address below.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bob Hendricks <bobhendricks at q.com>
> Date: January 1, 2010 6:26:02 PM MST
>
> I recently aquired a 1973 Triumph Spitfire and have begun a total
restoration.  I am looking for door gap adjusters so I can remove the tub from
the frame.  Where could I locate a couple of them?
>
> My information:
>
> Bob Hendricks
> 801-619-6469
>
> bobhendricks at q.com

From bugeye at drooartz.com  Mon Jan  4 19:11:06 2010
From: bugeye at drooartz.com (Andrew Frink)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:11:06 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Give your MGB the look of a modern roadster
References: <1028460997.636231261349808035.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <F303A966-FAE8-41A2-8804-DAF7A57576F0@drooartz.com>

This information came to me from the fellow below, and it looked like it could
be of interest to some club members, so I'm passing it on here. Please contact
Jerry at the info listed below if you wish more information on his products.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: jerrynelson at mchsi.com
> Subject: give your MGB the look of a modern roadster
>
> Fellow MG enthusiast,
>
>
>
> Please see attached file for photos of my newly invented MGB Boot.  The
following letter explains in detail........
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Jerry
Nelson and Ive been an Mgb owner for over 20 yrs. Having recently retired
Ive begun using my B for more over the road trips in addition to around town
everyday driver. In this capacity Ive been privy to several irritants of the
car, and   Im sure most of you will recognize them.
>
> 1.       For safety sake I believe every daily driven car should have a
third brake light , since this is something todays motorist and texter is
accustomed to.
>
> 2.       Top down driving causes the ears to roar and make your wifes hair
look like a punk rocker. Not a good way to impress her.
>
> 3.       I cannot hear the St. Louis cardinals baseball games , or the
golden oldies on my radio at anything above idle.
>
> This is how those problems were addressed . A laminated boot cover has been
developed which serves as a platform for a third brake light. (Photo #1) Shown
here is a very simple light which is included with the purchase of the cover.
I would encourage each owner to customize his or her unit with custom lighting
to emphasize their own personality.   You will notice the cover is hinged to
allow the top to be stored or raised.(Photo#2) The cover has no effect on the
operation of the top ,and can be left in place permanently if desired. The
entire assembly can be removed from the car quickly, by pulling the pins in
the hinges.
>
> To help with the wind problem we have a detachable Lexan wind screen which
is mounted to the cover by means of two wing nuts.(Photo#3) Lexan is
advertised to be 250 times stronger than glass, and is used for airplane
canopies.   There will be quite a noticeable difference in buffeting when this
screen is in use. I think you will enjoy this. Notice also, this cutout, which
allows the driver to see directly down the trunk line for safety purposes.
>
> Especially for those of you with Mk1 cars, which do not feature headrests,
we have these headrests (Photo#4) which are interchangeable with the
windscreen.(Photo#3)   Simply remove wingnuts and replace screen with
headrests. Headrests may be padded according to your preference.
>
> Although not included, I have installed speaker units in my boot,(Photo#3)
and I enjoy them immensely. These are head high behind the occupants, and
allow one to hear the radio at road speed without being ticketed for noise
pollution. I would urge everyone to install speakers in their boot. Notice
that quick disconnects are used for the speaker and brake light
feeds,(Photo#2) so the boot can be removed. The unit you see here has been
painted body color, but we have also tried some in satin black, which looks
nice with rubber bumpered cars. I look forward to seeing different ideas from
customers. Maybe upholstered, or contrasting colors, club insignia, what have
you? Should be interesting. There have also been suggestions on decorating the
wind screen, but be sure to check with your local and state authorities before
proceeding with this.
>
> In conclusion, this accessory has been developed, not only as a problem
solver, but as a way to encourage individualism, without severely changing
your Mgb. Hope you have fun with it. As I am not very fast, I am   producing
these on a limited basis. Current prices are as follows.
>
> Boot cover with necessary mounting hardware..$480.00
>
> Windscreen.150.00
>
> Headrest.150.00
>
>
>
> I can be contacted at jerrynelson at mchsi.com
>
> Cell phone                    217-370-7239
>
> Home phone               217-243-4662
>
> Thank you
>
> Jerry Nelson

From ron.christensen at wsapr.com  Tue Jan  5 08:55:11 2010
From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:55:11 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Give your MGB the look of a modern roadster
Message-ID: <30115DA6CBA03C4F8BCA80653DA2A710026CF1@om.wsadamson.local>

Hey Jerry,

Maybe you should just by a Miata retractable hardtop roadster and solve
all your problems!





-----Original Message-----
From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Andrew Frink
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:01 PM
To: bmcu at autox.team.net
Cc: jerrynelson at mchsi.com
Subject: [Bmcu] Give your MGB the look of a modern roadster

This information came to me from the fellow below, and it looked like it
could be of interest to some club members, so I'm passing it on here.
Please contact Jerry at the info listed below if you wish more
information on his products.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: jerrynelson at mchsi.com
> Subject: give your MGB the look of a modern roadster
>
> Fellow MG enthusiast,
>
>
>
> Please see attached file for photos of my newly invented MGB Boot.
> The
following letter explains in detail........
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself. My name is
> Jerry
Nelson and Ive been an Mgb owner for over 20 yrs. Having recently
retired Ive begun using my B for more over the road trips in addition
to around town everyday driver. In this capacity Ive been privy to
several irritants of the
car, and   Im sure most of you will recognize them.
>
> 1.       For safety sake I believe every daily driven car should have
a
third brake light , since this is something todays motorist and texter
is accustomed to.
>
> 2.       Top down driving causes the ears to roar and make your wifes
hair
look like a punk rocker. Not a good way to impress her.
>
> 3.       I cannot hear the St. Louis cardinals baseball games , or the
golden oldies on my radio at anything above idle.
>
> This is how those problems were addressed . A laminated boot cover has

> been
developed which serves as a platform for a third brake light. (Photo #1)
Shown here is a very simple light which is included with the purchase of
the cover.
I would encourage each owner to customize his or her unit with custom
lighting
to emphasize their own personality.   You will notice the cover is
hinged to
allow the top to be stored or raised.(Photo#2) The cover has no effect
on the operation of the top ,and can be left in place permanently if
desired. The entire assembly can be removed from the car quickly, by
pulling the pins in the hinges.
>
> To help with the wind problem we have a detachable Lexan wind screen
> which
is mounted to the cover by means of two wing nuts.(Photo#3) Lexan is
advertised to be 250 times stronger than glass, and is used for airplane
canopies.   There will be quite a noticeable difference in buffeting
when this
screen is in use. I think you will enjoy this. Notice also, this cutout,
which allows the driver to see directly down the trunk line for safety
purposes.
>
> Especially for those of you with Mk1 cars, which do not feature
> headrests,
we have these headrests (Photo#4) which are interchangeable with the
windscreen.(Photo#3)   Simply remove wingnuts and replace screen with
headrests. Headrests may be padded according to your preference.
>
> Although not included, I have installed speaker units in my
> boot,(Photo#3)
and I enjoy them immensely. These are head high behind the occupants,
and allow one to hear the radio at road speed without being ticketed for
noise pollution. I would urge everyone to install speakers in their
boot. Notice that quick disconnects are used for the speaker and brake
light
feeds,(Photo#2) so the boot can be removed. The unit you see here has
been painted body color, but we have also tried some in satin black,
which looks nice with rubber bumpered cars. I look forward to seeing
different ideas from customers. Maybe upholstered, or contrasting
colors, club insignia, what have you? Should be interesting. There have
also been suggestions on decorating the wind screen, but be sure to
check with your local and state authorities before proceeding with this.
>
> In conclusion, this accessory has been developed, not only as a
> problem
solver, but as a way to encourage individualism, without severely
changing
your Mgb. Hope you have fun with it. As I am not very fast, I am
producing
these on a limited basis. Current prices are as follows.
>
> Boot cover with necessary mounting hardware..$480.00
>
> Windscreen.150.00
>
> Headrest.150.00
>
>
>
> I can be contacted at jerrynelson at mchsi.com
>
> Cell phone                    217-370-7239
>
> Home phone               217-243-4662
>
> Thank you
>
> Jerry Nelson
_______________________________________________
Bmcu mailing list
Bmcu at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu

From bugeye at drooartz.com  Wed Jan  6 06:05:48 2010
From: bugeye at drooartz.com (Andrew Frink)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:05:48 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Tech Session January 16 On Upholstery And Tops By Dale
	Hancock
Message-ID: <A15A478B-1009-4071-A56D-4DB4271EE872@drooartz.com>

Tech Session Saturday January 16 on Upholstery and Tops By Dale Hancock

Club veterans will remember the well received tech session on upholstery
presented by Dale Hancock in November 2003.  Dale has agreed to conduct
another such session 10am Saturday January 16, at ThermPro, J. Jennings' place
of business, 280 W. Plymouth Avenue in South Salt Lake.

Dale does beautiful work on interiors and tops for collector cars and
motorcycles, including wood dash refinishing.  He makes upholstery from
scratch, as well as installing replacement kits supplied by marque
specialists. The session will cover basics of care, rejuvenation and repair.
Attendees are invited to bring examples needing attention for Dale to analyze
and recommend remedies.  These can be items carried in, or complete cars
parked outside the shop.

Plymouth Avenue is a short dead end street off 300 West, just north of 3900
South.  ThermPro's phone number is 801-268-9658.  The session should run 1-1/2
to 2 hours, including questions and socializing.

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jan  8 13:03:24 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Need a fire extinguisher?
Message-ID: <4B478F8C.3060702@bradakis.com>

Do you need a fire extinguisher?  I've got more than I need.  I'm 
clearing out the shop and have some left over from IVR days of racing at 
Wendover.  These are pro quality 10 pounders, rechargable.  New ones 
like this run about $75.  I'll let them go for a mere $15 each.  I'll 
try to get a photo available later.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jan  8 14:15:07 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:15:07 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Need a fire extinguisher?
In-Reply-To: <4B478F8C.3060702@bradakis.com>
References: <4B478F8C.3060702@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4B47A05B.7020301@bradakis.com>

That was fast - they are all spoken for.

I'm getting booted out of my shop at Garco, so I'll likely be having all 
sorts
of odds and ends for sale in the near future.  I'll try not to turn this 
list into
my personal advertising site ;-)

mjb.

From aje67 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:30:30 2010
From: aje67 at hotmail.com (Tony Earl)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:30:30 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] TR6 Harstop
Message-ID: <COL124-W40BE5D31ABD726BDFA33FDA06A0@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know the weight and dimensions for a TR6 hardtop?  I have searched
the internet and haven't found the information.



Thanks,



Tony

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From drooartz at me.com  Sun Jan 17 21:19:57 2010
From: drooartz at me.com (Andrew Frink)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:19:57 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Tech session on upholstery and tops a good one
Message-ID: <F9C8D754-3787-4EFD-9C2B-0DD6880C1186@me.com>

A big thanks to Gary Lindstrom and the Jaguar Club for putting together a nice tech session on upholstery and tops. Our full writeup is online now:

http://bmcu.drooartz.com/2010/01/tech-session-on-interiors/

-Drew Frink
BMCU web guy

From jeremiah at curryclan.net  Thu Jan 21 19:59:55 2010
From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:59:55 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
Message-ID: <78BA2B16F4964D16B597C7383E37F864@maximum7>

Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety inspection
for a vintage car?  I looked at the manual at
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html and it
defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere where it listed
different rules for them.  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper for
instance.

 

Thanks,

Jeremiah

From andrew at drooartz.com  Thu Jan 21 20:22:59 2010
From: andrew at drooartz.com (Andrew Frink)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:22:59 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
In-Reply-To: <78BA2B16F4964D16B597C7383E37F864@maximum7>
References: <78BA2B16F4964D16B597C7383E37F864@maximum7>
Message-ID: <A15016AB-CE03-4762-89D3-18928DD64ED0@drooartz.com>

If you are running regular plates (as I am on my '59 Sprite) then the safety
inspection is the same as it is for newer cars as far as I know. As for your
bumper, I'd be surprised if they knew that your car was supposed to have one.
Best bet is to go somewhere that is knowledgeable about old cars.

If you are running vintage plates, there may be different rules -- but I'm not
sure.

On Jan 21, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote:

> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety inspection
> for a vintage car?  I looked at the manual at
> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html and it
> defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere where it
listed
> different rules for them.  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper for
> instance.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremiah
> _______________________________________________
> Bmcu mailing list
> Bmcu at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu

From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Jan 21 23:02:44 2010
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:02:44 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
In-Reply-To: <A15016AB-CE03-4762-89D3-18928DD64ED0@drooartz.com>
References: <78BA2B16F4964D16B597C7383E37F864@maximum7>
	<A15016AB-CE03-4762-89D3-18928DD64ED0@drooartz.com>
Message-ID: <D584ED6D70414ECBA5FCBCC1F04A7A45@bboffice>

When I got my plates they told it would have to be inspected every year but
I didn't ask about what was involved.  I took my '58 to Big O, it still had
the Minnesota vintage plates on it, I drove it into the bay, honked the
horn, stepped on the brakes and turned the lights on.  Inspection complete
in 60 seconds! 

Bill




-----Original Message-----
From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Andrew Frink
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:23 PM
To: Jeremiah Curry
Cc: bmcu at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

If you are running regular plates (as I am on my '59 Sprite) then the safety
inspection is the same as it is for newer cars as far as I know. As for your
bumper, I'd be surprised if they knew that your car was supposed to have
one.
Best bet is to go somewhere that is knowledgeable about old cars.

If you are running vintage plates, there may be different rules -- but I'm
not sure.

On Jan 21, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote:

> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety 
> inspection for a vintage car?  I looked at the manual at 
> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html 
> and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere 
> where it
listed
> different rules for them.  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper 
> for instance.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremiah
> _______________________________________________
> Bmcu mailing list
> Bmcu at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu
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From david.clawson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 23:22:58 2010
From: david.clawson at gmail.com (David Clawson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:22:58 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
In-Reply-To: <D584ED6D70414ECBA5FCBCC1F04A7A45@bboffice>
References: <78BA2B16F4964D16B597C7383E37F864@maximum7>
	<A15016AB-CE03-4762-89D3-18928DD64ED0@drooartz.com>
	<D584ED6D70414ECBA5FCBCC1F04A7A45@bboffice>
Message-ID: <DF4334CB-5B1C-4B1C-90B2-68FC9A1A9922@gmail.com>

Wow, lucky you! I've been to two different places with my little '71 MGB and
it has yet to fully pass both safety and emissions.

What's funny is that while my "polluting" MGB is off the road, my 12MPG Land
Cruiser is my primary form of transportation. :-)

I've actually heard it depends on your county of residence, and that some
counties don't require it.

On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:02 PM, <wbeech at flash.net> <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> When I got my plates they told it would have to be inspected every year but
> I didn't ask about what was involved.  I took my '58 to Big O, it still had
> the Minnesota vintage plates on it, I drove it into the bay, honked the
> horn, stepped on the brakes and turned the lights on.  Inspection complete
> in 60 seconds!
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Frink
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:23 PM
> To: Jeremiah Curry
> Cc: bmcu at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>
> If you are running regular plates (as I am on my '59 Sprite) then the
safety
> inspection is the same as it is for newer cars as far as I know. As for
your
> bumper, I'd be surprised if they knew that your car was supposed to have
> one.
> Best bet is to go somewhere that is knowledgeable about old cars.
>
> If you are running vintage plates, there may be different rules -- but I'm
> not sure.
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote:
>
>> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety
>> inspection for a vintage car?  I looked at the manual at
>> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html
>> and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere
>> where it
> listed
>> different rules for them.  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper
>> for instance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeremiah
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bmcu mailing list
>> Bmcu at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu
> _______________________________________________
> Bmcu mailing list
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From andrew at drooartz.com  Fri Jan 22 06:07:28 2010
From: andrew at drooartz.com (Andrew Frink)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:07:28 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
In-Reply-To: <DF4334CB-5B1C-4B1C-90B2-68FC9A1A9922@gmail.com>
References: <78BA2B16F4964D16B597C7383E37F864@maximum7>
	<A15016AB-CE03-4762-89D3-18928DD64ED0@drooartz.com>
	<D584ED6D70414ECBA5FCBCC1F04A7A45@bboffice>
	<DF4334CB-5B1C-4B1C-90B2-68FC9A1A9922@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB4EBB2A-1525-4DA9-ADF1-4710342696D9@drooartz.com>

Weber, Davis, Salt Lake, and Utah counties are currently the only ones to
require the emissions tests for vehicles of model year 1968 and newer.

On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:22 PM, David Clawson wrote:

> Wow, lucky you! I've been to two different places with my little '71 MGB
and
> it has yet to fully pass both safety and emissions.
>
> What's funny is that while my "polluting" MGB is off the road, my 12MPG
Land
> Cruiser is my primary form of transportation. :-)
>
> I've actually heard it depends on your county of residence, and that some
> counties don't require it.
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:02 PM, <wbeech at flash.net> <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
>
>> When I got my plates they told it would have to be inspected every year
but
>> I didn't ask about what was involved.  I took my '58 to Big O, it still
had
>> the Minnesota vintage plates on it, I drove it into the bay, honked the
>> horn, stepped on the brakes and turned the lights on.  Inspection complete
>> in 60 seconds!
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Andrew Frink
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:23 PM
>> To: Jeremiah Curry
>> Cc: bmcu at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>>
>> If you are running regular plates (as I am on my '59 Sprite) then the
> safety
>> inspection is the same as it is for newer cars as far as I know. As for
> your
>> bumper, I'd be surprised if they knew that your car was supposed to have
>> one.
>> Best bet is to go somewhere that is knowledgeable about old cars.
>>
>> If you are running vintage plates, there may be different rules -- but I'm
>> not sure.
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety
>>> inspection for a vintage car?  I looked at the manual at
>>> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html
>>> and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere
>>> where it
>> listed
>>> different rules for them.  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper
>>> for instance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeremiah
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bmcu mailing list
>>> Bmcu at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bmcu mailing list
>> Bmcu at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu
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From jeremiah at curryclan.net  Fri Jan 22 13:46:19 2010
From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (jeremiah at curryclan.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:46:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
In-Reply-To: <3CCCA66F5BF66B45A55E65950EA4875B04E8A4@PONY.lifetime.com>
References: <78BA2B16F4964D16B597C7383E37F864@maximum7>
	<3CCCA66F5BF66B45A55E65950EA4875B04E8A4@PONY.lifetime.com>
Message-ID: <1575316255.157292.1264193179077.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw12.schlund.de>

My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B  However, not
needing a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that way I could
get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything needed.B  I am very
wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified 1992 MR2 Turbo needed
a
lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them actually being
unsafe.B 
Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a cat (ok, that was eimmisions),
front side marker lights had been blacked out, no reflector on the side,
brake
lights not red enough, no rear side marker lights, etc.

I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there are gaping
wholes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they aren't lining
up
well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(

thanks for the info,
Jeremiah

On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce <KBruce at lifetime.com> wrote:

> Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can get the
> "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and apply for the
> plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B  You do not have to
show
> or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B  It
can
> take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
"vintage"
> plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost for
theB 
> regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety + emission
costs.B 
> I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go back
in
> and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular plates
> had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The renewal is
supposed
> to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first (I
guess
> really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
normally
> charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from the
state
> catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra charge for
> the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the "vintage" plates you
no
> longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis County
and
> this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after your
car
> is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV any
proof
> of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you get
pulled
> over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really don't
think
> most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
originally.B 
> The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
station.B 
> Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year before
Mitch
> ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
(tires
> to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there was
> something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
> Keri Bruce
> 1969 Triumph TR6
> 801-725-1508
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
> To: bmcu at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>
> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety inspection
> for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at
> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html and it
> defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere where it
listed
> different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper for
> instance.
>
>B 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremiah
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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jan 22 16:45:23 2010
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:45:23 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
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Jeremiah,

Yeah, it is kind of a catch-22 to get a license plate for the first time.  I
would call your local sheriff and ask them how to best handle it, one upon a
time I was told that if you called the inspection station and made an
appointment to drive the car directly to them you would be OK because if you
were stopped in transit they could confirm your intentions.  Of course, the
other option is to trailer it.

IMHO, I wouldn't worry about the front bumper as long as all the lights &
signals work.

Bill

Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!)
"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"



 

-----Original Message-----
From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of jeremiah at curryclan.net
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
To: Keri Bruce; bmcu at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B  However, not
needing a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that way I
could get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything needed.B  I
am very wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified 1992 MR2
Turbo needed a lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them
actually being unsafe.B Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a cat
(ok, that was eimmisions), front side marker lights had been blacked out, no
reflector on the side, brake lights not red enough, no rear side marker
lights, etc.

I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there are gaping
wholes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they aren't lining
up well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(

thanks for the info,
Jeremiah

On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce <KBruce at lifetime.com> wrote:

> Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can 
> get the "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and 
> apply for the plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B  
> You do not have to
show
> or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B  
> It
can
> take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
"vintage"
> plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost 
> for
theB 
> regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety + emission
costs.B 
> I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go 
> back
in
> and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular 
> plates had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The 
> renewal is
supposed
> to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first (I
guess
> really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
normally
> charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from 
> the
state
> catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra 
> charge for the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the 
> "vintage" plates you
no
> longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis 
> County
and
> this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after 
> your
car
> is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV 
> any
proof
> of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you get
pulled
> over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really 
> don't
think
> most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
originally.B 
> The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
station.B 
> Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year before
Mitch
> ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
(tires
> to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there 
> was something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
> Keri Bruce
> 1969 Triumph TR6
> 801-725-1508
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
> To: bmcu at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>
> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety 
> inspection for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at 
> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html 
> and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere 
> where it
listed
> different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper 
> for instance.
>
>B
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremiah
> _______________________________________________
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> Bmcu at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu
>
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From beachbumbarry at msn.com  Fri Jan 22 17:40:21 2010
From: beachbumbarry at msn.com (Barry Engstrum)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:40:21 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
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Has anyone seen the front bumpers on a for Cobra?  There two small bracket
like chrome piecies of metal.  You could make something that you could bolt to
each side and that would probably work in the interterm.
BarryE
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: wbeech at flash.net<mailto:wbeech at flash.net>
  To: jeremiah at curryclan.net<mailto:jeremiah at curryclan.net> ; 'Keri
Bruce'<mailto:KBruce at lifetime.com> ;
bmcu at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules


  Jeremiah,

  Yeah, it is kind of a catch-22 to get a license plate for the first time.
I
  would call your local sheriff and ask them how to best handle it, one upon
a
  time I was told that if you called the inspection station and made an
  appointment to drive the car directly to them you would be OK because if
you
  were stopped in transit they could confirm your intentions.  Of course, the
  other option is to trailer it.

  IMHO, I wouldn't worry about the front bumper as long as all the lights &
  signals work.

  Bill

  Bill Beecher
  '58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!)
  "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
  course, some times it is difficult to make it go"





  -----Original Message-----
  From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net>
[mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of jeremiah at curryclan.net<mailto:jeremiah at curryclan.net>
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
  To: Keri Bruce; bmcu at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu at autox.team.net>
  Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

  My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B  However, not
  needing a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that way I
  could get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything needed.B  I
  am very wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified 1992 MR2
  Turbo needed a lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them
  actually being unsafe.B Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a cat
  (ok, that was eimmisions), front side marker lights had been blacked out,
no
  reflector on the side, brake lights not red enough, no rear side marker
  lights, etc.

  I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there are
gaping
  wholes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they aren't
lining
  up well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(

  thanks for the info,
  Jeremiah

  On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce
<KBruce at lifetime.com<mailto:KBruce at lifetime.com>> wrote:

  > Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can
  > get the "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and
  > apply for the plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B
  > You do not have to
  show
  > or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B
  > It
  can
  > take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
  "vintage"
  > plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost
  > for
  theB
  > regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety + emission
  costs.B
  > I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go
  > back
  in
  > and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular
  > plates had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The
  > renewal is
  supposed
  > to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first (I
  guess
  > really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
  normally
  > charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from
  > the
  state
  > catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra
  > charge for the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the
  > "vintage" plates you
  no
  > longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis
  > County
  and
  > this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after
  > your
  car
  > is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV
  > any
  proof
  > of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you get
  pulled
  > over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really
  > don't
  think
  > most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
  originally.B
  > The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
  station.B
  > Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year before
  Mitch
  > ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
  (tires
  > to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there
  > was something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
  > Keri Bruce
  > 1969 Triumph TR6
  > 801-725-1508
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net>
[mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net]
  > On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
  > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
  > To: bmcu at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu at autox.team.net>
  > Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
  >
  > Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety
  > inspection for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at
  >
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html<http://p
ublicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html>
  > and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere
  > where it
  listed
  > different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper
  > for instance.
  >
  >B
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Jeremiah
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  > Bmcu mailing list
  > Bmcu at autox.team.net<mailto:Bmcu at autox.team.net>
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tinfo/bmcu>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jan 22 18:01:22 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:01:22 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
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Back when I was puttering about part time at Bailey's there were not
many British cars that wouldn't pass emissions, once Mike or I tweaked
them a bit.  There were also a couple that were just always a problem
of one sort or another.

Safety inspections were a bit different.  Sure, Jiffy Lube, Big O and such
would check a few things.  So would we.  We'd also look at known weak
spots in the frame, dry trunnions, TR6 diff mounts and such and often
render an opinion on the overall road worthiness of a car, something you
wouldn't get from a chain franchise.  The cars would usually pass, but
we'd try to let folks know when they were skating on thin ice, so to
speak.

Many years ago my first TR6, recently purchased, passed the state safety
inspection.  The next day on my way to the U of U a front suspension
trunnion that probably hadn't seen any lubrication since it left the
factory sheared and pull out of the control arm.  Nice.  I remember
walking by that section of street and seeing the gouge I left in the
asphalt, until it got paved over.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jan 22 18:25:34 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:25:34 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Potluck, tech session
Message-ID: <4B5A500E.9010208@bradakis.com>

Boy, I spaced that out.  I meant to attend the tech session and deliver 
a few
items, remembered it about 2 pm - a bit late, drat.

I heard that a date for the annual potluck dinner meeting was discussed,
any word on that?

mjb.

From glen at gatekeepers.com  Fri Jan 22 18:55:51 2010
From: glen at gatekeepers.com (Gatekeepers)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:55:51 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
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You can pay the tax on the car and they will give you temp to get  
things started.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2010, at 16:45, <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> Jeremiah,
>
> Yeah, it is kind of a catch-22 to get a license plate for the first  
> time.  I
> would call your local sheriff and ask them how to best handle it,  
> one upon a
> time I was told that if you called the inspection station and made an
> appointment to drive the car directly to them you would be OK  
> because if you
> were stopped in transit they could confirm your intentions.  Of  
> course, the
> other option is to trailer it.
>
> IMHO, I wouldn't worry about the front bumper as long as all the  
> lights &
> signals work.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Beecher
> '58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!)
> "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is  
> called...of
> course, some times it is difficult to make it go"
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of jeremiah at curryclan.net
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
> To: Keri Bruce; bmcu at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>
> My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B   
> However, not
> needing a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that  
> way I
> could get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything  
> needed.B  I
> am very wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified  
> 1992 MR2
> Turbo needed a lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them
> actually being unsafe.B Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a  
> cat
> (ok, that was eimmisions), front side marker lights had been blacked  
> out, no
> reflector on the side, brake lights not red enough, no rear side  
> marker
> lights, etc.
>
> I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there  
> are gaping
> wholes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they  
> aren't lining
> up well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(
>
> thanks for the info,
> Jeremiah
>
> On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce <KBruce at lifetime.com> wrote:
>
>> Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can
>> get the "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and
>> apply for the plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B
>> You do not have to
> show
>> or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B
>> It
> can
>> take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
> "vintage"
>> plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost
>> for
> theB
>> regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety +  
>> emission
> costs.B
>> I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go
>> back
> in
>> and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular
>> plates had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The
>> renewal is
> supposed
>> to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first  
>> (I
> guess
>> really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
> normally
>> charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from
>> the
> state
>> catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra
>> charge for the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the
>> "vintage" plates you
> no
>> longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis
>> County
> and
>> this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after
>> your
> car
>> is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV
>> any
> proof
>> of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you  
>> get
> pulled
>> over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really
>> don't
> think
>> most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
> originally.B
>> The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
> station.B
>> Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year  
>> before
> Mitch
>> ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
> (tires
>> to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there
>> was something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
>> Keri Bruce
>> 1969 Triumph TR6
>> 801-725-1508
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
>> To: bmcu at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>>
>> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety
>> inspection for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at
>> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html
>> and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere
>> where it
> listed
>> different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front  
>> bumper
>> for instance.
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeremiah
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From ron.christensen at wsapr.com  Sat Jan 23 13:30:37 2010
From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:37 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
In-Reply-To: <BLU129-DS14DA04D206DDD6256AE82A8610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20100123203051.D3984187664@autox.team.net>

You are describing the jacking brackets for the race car version.  Street
Cobras had two typical formed vertical bumpers with chromed tubing between
that formed the shape of the perimeter of the air intake. 

-----Original Message-----
From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barry Engstrum
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:40 PM
To: jeremiah at curryclan.net; 'Keri Bruce'; bmcu at autox.team.net;
wbeech at flash.net
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

Has anyone seen the front bumpers on a for Cobra?  There two small bracket
like chrome piecies of metal.  You could make something that you could bolt
to each side and that would probably work in the interterm.
BarryE
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: jeremiah at curryclan.net<mailto:jeremiah at curryclan.net> ; 'Keri
Bruce'<mailto:KBruce at lifetime.com> ;
bmcu at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules


  Jeremiah,

  Yeah, it is kind of a catch-22 to get a license plate for the first time.
I
  would call your local sheriff and ask them how to best handle it, one upon
a
  time I was told that if you called the inspection station and made an
  appointment to drive the car directly to them you would be OK because if
you
  were stopped in transit they could confirm your intentions.  Of course,
the
  other option is to trailer it.

  IMHO, I wouldn't worry about the front bumper as long as all the lights &
  signals work.

  Bill

  Bill Beecher
  '58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!)
  "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
  course, some times it is difficult to make it go"





  -----Original Message-----
  From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net>
[mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of jeremiah at curryclan.net<mailto:jeremiah at curryclan.net>
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
  To: Keri Bruce; bmcu at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu at autox.team.net>
  Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

  My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B  However, not
  needing a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that way I
  could get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything needed.B
I
  am very wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified 1992 MR2
  Turbo needed a lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them
  actually being unsafe.B Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a cat
  (ok, that was eimmisions), front side marker lights had been blacked out,
no
  reflector on the side, brake lights not red enough, no rear side marker
  lights, etc.

  I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there are
gaping
  wholes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they aren't
lining
  up well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(

  thanks for the info,
  Jeremiah

  On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce
<KBruce at lifetime.com<mailto:KBruce at lifetime.com>> wrote:

  > Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can
  > get the "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and
  > apply for the plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B
  > You do not have to
  show
  > or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B
  > It
  can
  > take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
  "vintage"
  > plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost
  > for
  theB
  > regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety + emission
  costs.B
  > I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go
  > back
  in
  > and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular
  > plates had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The
  > renewal is
  supposed
  > to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first (I
  guess
  > really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
  normally
  > charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from
  > the
  state
  > catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra
  > charge for the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the
  > "vintage" plates you
  no
  > longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis
  > County
  and
  > this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after
  > your
  car
  > is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV
  > any
  proof
  > of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you get
  pulled
  > over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really
  > don't
  think
  > most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
  originally.B
  > The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
  station.B
  > Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year before
  Mitch
  > ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
  (tires
  > to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there
  > was something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
  > Keri Bruce
  > 1969 Triumph TR6
  > 801-725-1508
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net]
  > On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
  > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
  > To: bmcu at autox.team.net<mailto:bmcu at autox.team.net>
  > Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
  >
  > Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety
  > inspection for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at
  >
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html<http://
p
ublicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html>
  > and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere
  > where it
  listed
  > different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper
  > for instance.
  >
  >B
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Jeremiah
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From wiia at aol.com  Sun Jan 24 11:09:59 2010
From: wiia at aol.com (wiia at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:09:59 -0500
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
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I have vintage plates on my 61 MGA in Iron County.  The car was originally
titled and plated with Illinois vintage plates.  I was told when I got the UT
vintage plates that there were driving restrictions for the vintage plates.
It can't be a regular driver, if so, you need regular plates.  Driving is
limited to club events, shows, pleasure driving, etc., but excludes regular
everyday driving.  Renewal is $10 annually in January, and safety inspection
is not required for annual renewal.  However, if you are out on a cruise, and
accosted by the local or state constabulary, you can be asked to show that the
car is safe to drive, so an annual safety inspection receipt with your
registration and insurance certificate was recommended as prudent.  In some UT
counties, 1968 and newer cars are required to pass emissions testing; it was
the same in the Chicago area.  I am not familiar with UT county emissions
testing, but in the Chicago area, the car was required to pass the emissions
requirements for the year produced.  I had a 69 Sprite that wouldn't pass
because the air pump had been removed by the previous owner that lived outside
the Chicago area.  For the 69 Sprite, it was more hassle and cost to find,
purchase, reinstall and retune the car for emissions than it was worth, and it
was more valuable to someone outside the Chicago area than it was to me.
Traded it.

If you don't intend to use the car as a daily driver, UT vintage plates are a
good deal.

Bill Adams - Supercharged 5-speed 61 MGA - Cedar City

-----Original Message-----
From: wbeech at flash.net
To: jeremiah at curryclan.net; 'Keri Bruce' <KBruce at lifetime.com>;
bmcu at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules


Jeremiah,
Yeah, it is kind of a catch-22 to get a license plate for the first time.  I
ould call your local sheriff and ask them how to best handle it, one upon a
ime I was told that if you called the inspection station and made an
ppointment to drive the car directly to them you would be OK because if you
ere stopped in transit they could confirm your intentions.  Of course, the
ther option is to trailer it.
IMHO, I wouldn't worry about the front bumper as long as all the lights &
ignals work.
Bill
Bill Beecher
58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!)
A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
ourse, some times it is difficult to make it go"


-----Original Message-----
rom: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of jeremiah at curryclan.net
ent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
o: Keri Bruce; bmcu at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B  However, not
eeding a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that way I
ould get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything needed.B  I
m very wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified 1992 MR2
urbo needed a lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them
ctually being unsafe.B Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a cat
ok, that was eimmisions), front side marker lights had been blacked out, no
eflector on the side, brake lights not red enough, no rear side marker
ights, etc.
I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there are gaping
holes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they aren't lining
p well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(
thanks for the info,
eremiah
On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce <KBruce at lifetime.com> wrote:
> Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can
 get the "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and
 apply for the plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B
 You do not have to
how
 or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B
 It
an
 take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
vintage"
 plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost
 for
heB
 regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety + emission
osts.B
 I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go
 back
n
 and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular
 plates had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The
 renewal is
upposed
 to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first (I
uess
 really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
ormally
 charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from
 the
tate
 catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra
 charge for the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the
 "vintage" plates you
o
 longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis
 County
nd
 this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after
 your
ar
 is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV
 any
roof
 of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you get
ulled
 over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really
 don't
hink
 most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
riginally.B
 The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
tation.B
 Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year before
itch
 ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
tires
 to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there
 was something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
 Keri Bruce
 1969 Triumph TR6
 801-725-1508

 -----Original Message-----
 From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net]
 On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
 To: bmcu at autox.team.net
 Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

 Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety
 inspection for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at
 http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html
 and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere
 where it
isted
 different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper
 for instance.

B

 Thanks,

 Jeremiah
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From jeremiah at curryclan.net  Sun Jan 24 16:01:02 2010
From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:01:02 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
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I don't plan on using the car as a daily drive, but would likely drive it
back and forth to work occasionally.Anybody know what the exact definition
of regular driving is?  Maybe a mileage limit?

 

Thanks,

Jeremiah

 

  _____  

From: wiia at aol.com [mailto:wiia at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:10 AM
To: wbeech at flash.net; jeremiah at curryclan.net; KBruce at lifetime.com;
bmcu at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

 

I have vintage plates on my 61 MGA in Iron County.  The car was originally
titled and plated with Illinois vintage plates.  I was told when I got the
UT vintage plates that there were driving restrictions for the vintage
plates.  It can't be a regular driver, if so, you need regular plates.
Driving is limited to club events, shows, pleasure driving, etc., but
excludes regular everyday driving.  Renewal is $10 annually in January, and
safety inspection is not required for annual renewal.  However, if you are
out on a cruise, and accosted by the local or state constabulary, you can be
asked to show that the car is safe to drive, so an annual safety inspection
receipt with your registration and insurance certificate was recommended as
prudent.  In some UT counties, 1968 and newer cars are required to pass
emissions testing; it was the same in the Chicago area.  I am not familiar
with UT county emissions testing, but in the Chicago area, the car was
required to pass the emissions requirements for the year produced.  I had a
69 Sprite that wouldn't pass because the air pump had been removed by the
previous owner that lived outside the Chicago area.  For the 69 Sprite, it
was more hassle and cost to find, purchase, reinstall and retune the car for
emissions than it was worth, and it was more valuable to someone outside the
Chicago area than it was to me.  Traded it.  

 

If you don't intend to use the car as a daily driver, UT vintage plates are
a good deal.  

 

Bill Adams - Supercharged 5-speed 61 MGA - Cedar City

-----Original Message-----
From: wbeech at flash.net
To: jeremiah at curryclan.net; 'Keri Bruce' <KBruce at lifetime.com>;
bmcu at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

Jeremiah,
 
Yeah, it is kind of a catch-22 to get a license plate for the first time.  I
would call your local sheriff and ask them how to best handle it, one upon a
time I was told that if you called the inspection station and made an
appointment to drive the car directly to them you would be OK because if you
were stopped in transit they could confirm your intentions.  Of course, the
other option is to trailer it.
 
IMHO, I wouldn't worry about the front bumper as long as all the lights &
signals work.
 
Bill
 
Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!)
"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net?> ] On
Behalf Of jeremiah at curryclan.net
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
To: Keri Bruce; bmcu at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
 
My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B  However, not
needing a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that way I
could get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything needed.B  I
am very wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified 1992 MR2
Turbo needed a lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them
actually being unsafe.B Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a cat
(ok, that was eimmisions), front side marker lights had been blacked out, no
reflector on the side, brake lights not red enough, no rear side marker
lights, etc.
 
I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there are gaping
wholes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they aren't lining
up well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(
 
thanks for the info,
Jeremiah
 
On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce <KBruce at lifetime.com> wrote:
 
> Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can 
> get the "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and 
> apply for the plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B  
> You do not have to
show
> or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B  
> It
can
> take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
"vintage"
> plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost 
> for
theB 
> regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety + emission
costs.B 
> I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go 
> back
in
> and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular 
> plates had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The 
> renewal is
supposed
> to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first (I
guess
> really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
normally
> charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from 
> the
state
> catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra 
> charge for the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the 
> "vintage" plates you
no
> longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis 
> County
and
> this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after 
> your
car
> is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV 
> any
proof
> of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you get
pulled
> over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really 
> don't
think
> most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
originally.B 
> The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
station.B 
> Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year before
Mitch
> ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
(tires
> to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there 
> was something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
> Keri Bruce
> 1969 Triumph TR6
> 801-725-1508
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net?> ] 
> On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
> To: bmcu at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
> 
> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety 
> inspection for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at 
> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html 
> and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere 
> where it
listed
> different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper 
> for instance.
> 
>B
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeremiah
> _______________________________________________
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jan 24 16:56:24 2010
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:56:24 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
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Here is a copy & paste from the DMV website:
http://dmv.utah.gov/licensespecialplates.html#vintagevehicle  From the
description in paragraph one I would say the definition of "...occasional
transportation and similar uses..."  could be broadly interpreted.  Every
time I drive my TR3 I am road testing it to see if the latest repair/upgrade
has been effective, I do not use my car as a daily driver which is about the
only thing that this definition seems to exclude.


Vintage Vehicle
 
What is the purpose of this plate?
To identify a vintage vehicle as defined by Utah law. A vintage vehicle is
defined as a motor vehicle that is 40 years old or older, from the current
year, primarily a collector's item, and used for participation in club
activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, occasional transportation and
similar uses, but is not used for general daily transportation. 

Who may purchase this plate?
This plate is available only to vehicles at least 40 years old or older at
the time of application for the plate.

Is there a fee to purchase this plate?
Vehicle owners pay a one-time $55.50 fee when this plate is issued. This fee
is in addition to all other fees due at the time the plate is issued.

Is there an annual fee to renew this plate?
Fees pertaining to uniform property tax apply and must be paid.

Can this plate be personalized?
Yes, it may be personalized with up to five characters, if that combination
of characters is not already issued, and the selection meets DMV criteria
for issuance.

See Form TC-817, "Application for Personalized Plates" for a listing of fees
and other information.

Additional information
This plate replaces the "Horseless Carriage" plates.


Hope this helps,
Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!)
"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"





  _____  

From: wiia at aol.com [mailto:wiia at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:10 AM
To: wbeech at flash.net; jeremiah at curryclan.net; KBruce at lifetime.com;
bmcu at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

 

I have vintage plates on my 61 MGA in Iron County.  The car was originally
titled and plated with Illinois vintage plates.  I was told when I got the
UT vintage plates that there were driving restrictions for the vintage
plates.  It can't be a regular driver, if so, you need regular plates.
Driving is limited to club events, shows, pleasure driving, etc., but
excludes regular everyday driving.  Renewal is $10 annually in January, and
safety inspection is not required for annual renewal.  However, if you are
out on a cruise, and accosted by the local or state constabulary, you can be
asked to show that the car is safe to drive, so an annual safety inspection
receipt with your registration and insurance certificate was recommended as
prudent.  In some UT counties, 1968 and newer cars are required to pass
emissions testing; it was the same in the Chicago area.  I am not familiar
with UT county emissions testing, but in the Chicago area, the car was
required to pass the emissions requirements for the year produced.  I had a
69 Sprite that wouldn't pass because the air pump had been removed by the
previous owner that lived outside the Chicago area.  For the 69 Sprite, it
was more hassle and cost to find, purchase, reinstall and retune the car for
emissions than it was worth, and it was more valuable to someone outside the
Chicago area than it was to me.  Traded it.  

 

If you don't intend to use the car as a daily driver, UT vintage plates are
a good deal.  

 

Bill Adams - Supercharged 5-speed 61 MGA - Cedar City

-----Original Message-----
From: wbeech at flash.net
To: jeremiah at curryclan.net; 'Keri Bruce' <KBruce at lifetime.com>;
bmcu at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

Jeremiah,
 
Yeah, it is kind of a catch-22 to get a license plate for the first time.  I
would call your local sheriff and ask them how to best handle it, one upon a
time I was told that if you called the inspection station and made an
appointment to drive the car directly to them you would be OK because if you
were stopped in transit they could confirm your intentions.  Of course, the
other option is to trailer it.
 
IMHO, I wouldn't worry about the front bumper as long as all the lights &
signals work.
 
Bill
 
Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!) "A Triumph is man's best friend,
it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to
make it go"
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net?> ] On Behalf Of jeremiah at curryclan.net
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
To: Keri Bruce; bmcu at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
 
My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B  However, not
needing a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that way I
could get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything needed.B  I
am very wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified 1992 MR2
Turbo needed a lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them
actually being unsafe.B Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a cat
(ok, that was eimmisions), front side marker lights had been blacked out, no
reflector on the side, brake lights not red enough, no rear side marker
lights, etc.
 
I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there are gaping
wholes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they aren't lining
up well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(
 
thanks for the info,
Jeremiah
 
On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce <KBruce at lifetime.com> wrote:
 
> Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can 
> get the "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and 
> apply for the plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B 
> You do not have to
show
> or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B 
> It
can
> take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
"vintage"
> plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost 
> for
theB 
> regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety + emission
costs.B 
> I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go 
> back
in
> and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular 
> plates had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The 
> renewal is
supposed
> to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first (I
guess
> really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
normally
> charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from 
> the
state
> catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra 
> charge for the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the 
> "vintage" plates you
no
> longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis 
> County
and
> this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after 
> your
car
> is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV 
> any
proof
> of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you get
pulled
> over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really 
> don't
think
> most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
originally.B 
> The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
station.B 
> Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year before
Mitch
> ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
(tires
> to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there 
> was something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
> Keri Bruce
> 1969 Triumph TR6
> 801-725-1508
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net?> ] 
> On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
> To: bmcu at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
> 
> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety 
> inspection for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at 
> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html
> and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere 
> where it
listed
> different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front bumper 
> for instance.
> 
>B
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeremiah
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From jeremiah at curryclan.net  Mon Jan 25 19:02:43 2010
From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:02:43 -0700
Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
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That was why I was wondering what the restrictions were, if it was mileage,
it would be fairly trivial to check, I think some insurances do that if you
claim you drive your car very rarely and get a discount for that.  But
sounds like they probably don't do that.  I think I will go the vintage
route.

Thanks,
Jeremiah

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Topham [mailto:banditotd356 at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:30 AM
To: Jeremiah Curry
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules

Don't worry about it--who's going to check???
On Jan 24, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote:

> I don't plan on using the car as a daily drive, but would likely  
> drive it
> back and forth to work occasionally.Anybody know what the exact  
> definition
> of regular driving is?  Maybe a mileage limit?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremiah
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: wiia at aol.com [mailto:wiia at aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:10 AM
> To: wbeech at flash.net; jeremiah at curryclan.net; KBruce at lifetime.com;
> bmcu at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>
>
>
> I have vintage plates on my 61 MGA in Iron County.  The car was  
> originally
> titled and plated with Illinois vintage plates.  I was told when I  
> got the
> UT vintage plates that there were driving restrictions for the vintage
> plates.  It can't be a regular driver, if so, you need regular plates.
> Driving is limited to club events, shows, pleasure driving, etc., but
> excludes regular everyday driving.  Renewal is $10 annually in  
> January, and
> safety inspection is not required for annual renewal.  However, if  
> you are
> out on a cruise, and accosted by the local or state constabulary,  
> you can be
> asked to show that the car is safe to drive, so an annual safety  
> inspection
> receipt with your registration and insurance certificate was  
> recommended as
> prudent.  In some UT counties, 1968 and newer cars are required to  
> pass
> emissions testing; it was the same in the Chicago area.  I am not  
> familiar
> with UT county emissions testing, but in the Chicago area, the car was
> required to pass the emissions requirements for the year produced.   
> I had a
> 69 Sprite that wouldn't pass because the air pump had been removed  
> by the
> previous owner that lived outside the Chicago area.  For the 69  
> Sprite, it
> was more hassle and cost to find, purchase, reinstall and retune the  
> car for
> emissions than it was worth, and it was more valuable to someone  
> outside the
> Chicago area than it was to me.  Traded it.
>
>
>
> If you don't intend to use the car as a daily driver, UT vintage  
> plates are
> a good deal.
>
>
>
> Bill Adams - Supercharged 5-speed 61 MGA - Cedar City
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wbeech at flash.net
> To: jeremiah at curryclan.net; 'Keri Bruce' <KBruce at lifetime.com>;
> bmcu at autox.team.net
> Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>
> Jeremiah,
>
> Yeah, it is kind of a catch-22 to get a license plate for the first  
> time.  I
> would call your local sheriff and ask them how to best handle it,  
> one upon a
> time I was told that if you called the inspection station and made an
> appointment to drive the car directly to them you would be OK  
> because if you
> were stopped in transit they could confirm your intentions.  Of  
> course, the
> other option is to trailer it.
>
> IMHO, I wouldn't worry about the front bumper as long as all the  
> lights &
> signals work.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Beecher
> '58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (On the road in 2009!)
> "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is  
> called...of
> course, some times it is difficult to make it go"
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net
> <mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net?> ] On
> Behalf Of jeremiah at curryclan.net
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
> To: Keri Bruce; bmcu at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>
> My Car is a 1957 TR3, so I won't need emissions either way.B   
> However, not
> needing a safety inspection to get the plate would be nice...that  
> way I
> could get it to the shop to get the inspection and fix anything  
> needed.B  I
> am very wary of inspections.B  The last car I bought, a modified  
> 1992 MR2
> Turbo needed a lot of work before it would pass, despite none of them
> actually being unsafe.B Windows were too dark, exhaust didn't have a  
> cat
> (ok, that was eimmisions), front side marker lights had been blacked  
> out, no
> reflector on the side, brake lights not red enough, no rear side  
> marker
> lights, etc.
>
> I am afraid that the bumper missin is pretty obvouse, since there  
> are gaping
> wholes where it is supposed to attach. . . the problem is they  
> aren't lining
> up well enought to actually attach the bumper yet :(
>
> thanks for the info,
> Jeremiah
>
> On January 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM Keri Bruce <KBruce at lifetime.com> wrote:
>
>> Is your car a 1970 or earlier?B  If it is 40 years or older you can
>> get the "vintage" car plates.B  You only need to go to the DMV and
>> apply for the plates.B  You can download the forms before you go in.B
>> You do not have to
> show
>> or even have the safety inspection when you get the process started.B
>> It
> can
>> take up to 60 days to get the plates.B  I think I paid $68.00 for the
> "vintage"
>> plates which included personalized letters (allowed only 5). The cost
>> for
> theB
>> regular registration (2009) would have been $63.00 + safety +  
>> emission
> costs.B
>> I received the plates and they sent an expired sticker?B  I had to go
>> back
> in
>> and pay the $10.00 renewal (my plates came after my original regular
>> plates had expired which is why I got the expired sticker).B  The
>> renewal is
> supposed
>> to be only $10.00 per year from now on (I will have to do the first  
>> (I
> guess
>> really the second) renewal this fall.B  I asked about the extra cost
> normally
>> charged for personalized plates, I was told that until someone from
>> the
> state
>> catches on to the fact they are missing a fee, there is no extra
>> charge for the personalized "vintage" plates.B  When you get the
>> "vintage" plates you
> no
>> longer have to do any emission testing on you car.B  I live in Davis
>> County
> and
>> this is a state regulation that you no longer need the emission after
>> your
> car
>> is registered as a "vintage" car.B  You do not have to show the DMV
>> any
> proof
>> of safety inspection.B  They just said you need to have one if you  
>> get
> pulled
>> over.B  As to your question about needing a front bumper, I really
>> don't
> think
>> most of the inspection stations would know if it was on the car
> originally.B
>> The only place I would not take the car is to the a State inspection
> station.B
>> Ours is in Kaysville.B  I remember either last year or the year  
>> before
> Mitch
>> ran into a slew of issues taking his Spitfire to the one in Kaysville
> (tires
>> to wide, wrong color bulb in the front turn signal and I think there
>> was something else?B  Any questions please feel free to call me.
>> Keri Bruce
>> 1969 Triumph TR6
>> 801-725-1508
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net
> <mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net?> ]
>> On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:00 PM
>> To: bmcu at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Bmcu] Utah vintage car inspection rules
>>
>> Anyone out there know what, if anything is different on a safety
>> inspection for a vintage car?B  I looked at the manual at
>> http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/safetyinspection.html
>> and it defined what a vintage car was, but I couldn't find anywhere
>> where it
> listed
>> different rules for them.B  I was wondering if I needed a front  
>> bumper
>> for instance.
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeremiah
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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