From spitfiresrule at msn.com Sun Sep 2 22:51:09 2007 From: spitfiresrule at msn.com (MITCH D JOHNSON) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:51:09 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Fw: help with mgb restore Message-ID: Anybody able to help Dave out with any suggestions? Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Jennings To: 'MITCH D JOHNSON' Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: RE: help with mgb restore Thanks. I will check with Mike and would be interested in anything you hear for down south. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: MITCH D JOHNSON [mailto:spitfiresrule at msn.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 6:54 PM To: Dave Jennings Subject: Re: help with mgb restore Dave, Being from up north here I'm not real good at Utah county pros. We can put it out to the club and we usually get some suggestions, maybe even a fellow "B" person. I always sugest Mike Bailey's garage on 4800 south in SLC. He is a serious MG guy and very reasonable! Let me know if you want it to go out the group. Mitch ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Jennings To: spitfiresrule at msn.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: help with mgb restore Mitch I am looking for someone who would know a good shop to work with to restore a 1969 mgb. I am new at this and looking to partner with a shop in doing part of the restore. I live in Alpine area so would prefer Utah county shop but Salt Lake City could work too. Dave 801.318.5536 From glen at gatekeepers.com Mon Sep 3 10:22:12 2007 From: glen at gatekeepers.com (Glen Schimmelpfennig) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:22:12 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Fw: help with mgb restore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a 69' AH Sprite that I have been working on. I believe the AH Sprite and MG are the same basic design and would love to follow your progress as you restore the MGB. Maybe I could learn a few things and you knows maybe I might know something that I could share. Intranet Consulting Inc. Glen Schimmelpfennig 387 South 1100 West Farmington, Utah 84025 801-231-6338 glen at gatekeepers.com -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MITCH D JOHNSON Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:51 PM To: BMCU Subject: [Bmcu] Fw: help with mgb restore Anybody able to help Dave out with any suggestions? Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Jennings To: 'MITCH D JOHNSON' Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: RE: help with mgb restore Thanks. I will check with Mike and would be interested in anything you hear for down south. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- From: MITCH D JOHNSON [mailto:spitfiresrule at msn.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 6:54 PM To: Dave Jennings Subject: Re: help with mgb restore Dave, Being from up north here I'm not real good at Utah county pros. We can put it out to the club and we usually get some suggestions, maybe even a fellow "B" person. I always sugest Mike Bailey's garage on 4800 south in SLC. He is a serious MG guy and very reasonable! Let me know if you want it to go out the group. Mitch ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Jennings To: spitfiresrule at msn.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: help with mgb restore Mitch I am looking for someone who would know a good shop to work with to restore a 1969 mgb. I am new at this and looking to partner with a shop in doing part of the restore. I live in Alpine area so would prefer Utah county shop but Salt Lake City could work too. Dave 801.318.5536 _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From carlin.jacobson at usa.net Tue Sep 4 06:39:06 2007 From: carlin.jacobson at usa.net (Carlin.jacobson@usa.net) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:39:06 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Please keep me subscribed by email Message-ID: <242LiDmMg7244S27.1188909546@cmsweb27.cms.usa.net> Please keep me scribed by email Carlin.jacobson at usa.net From robminil7 at mac.com Tue Sep 4 11:17:10 2007 From: robminil7 at mac.com (Robert Green) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:17:10 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Fwd: Sunchaser 1000 Car Show and Track Lap References: <46DD8FF1.7010207@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <55E8B9D9-DCB8-4311-9F63-31AA6C389B03@mac.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: Gary Lindstrom > Date: September 4, 2007 11:03:45 AM MDT > To: Robert Green > Cc: Gary Lindstrom > Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunchaser 1000 Car Show and Track Lap > > > > Robert Green wrote: >> BMCUers, >> I just got this from the guys at Miller Motor Sport Park, I >> attended car corral/show there last month, and it was fun. You >> also get a few laps around the track as parade laps. (you can >> occasionally go through a couple of turns if you hold back. Kind >> of like Alpine Loop) Perhaps you could pass this on to the powers >> the be at BMCU at some members that could get away on Friday could >> show up. >> Rob Green >> Begin forwarded message: >>> *From: *Utah's Car Club Center >> > >>> *Date: *September 3, 2007 7:11:13 PM MDT >>> *To: *robminil7 at mac.com >>> *Subject: **Sunchaser 1000 Car Show and Track Lap* >>> >>> Hi Rob - We would love to see your Lotus again - Tell Your >>> Friends - We're doing it again FRIDAY September 14th !! >>> Everyone will have VIP parking in the Car Club Coral - UCCC >>> along with MMP will be your hosts! $25 ticket gets you into the >>> show/races - no additional fee for car show registration or track >>> lap! Enter using the South Gate! Gates Open at 8am, Car Show and >>> Staging 12-6:30pm, Track Lap 7:00pm. >>> The road course is a 4.5 mile long, 40-50 foot wide, 24-turn >>> layout that provides a variety of cornering speeds, from 50 mph >>> to well over 100 mph. The fastest cars and motorcycles are said >>> to approach 200 miles per hour on the track's 50 foot wide, 3500 >>> foot main straight. While the track is basically flat, Miller >>> Motorsports Park 's designers have incorporated several >>> significant elevation changes in order to add character, >>> challenge, and unparalleled sightlines for spectators. Tell your >>> friends - last month we had 48 car club vehicles hit the track - >>> this is an awesome event and we look forward to having you ALL >>> join us! Call Dave at 580-2794 for more information >>> Thank you for your time, >>> David Degeus - Founder >>> U . C . C . C . - Utah's Car Club Center >>> www.utahscarclubcenter.com >> B42D-37DCB9553CB9}mid://00000133/!x-usc:http:// >>> www.utahscarclubcenter.com/> From spitfiresrule at msn.com Tue Sep 4 22:15:48 2007 From: spitfiresrule at msn.com (MITCH D JOHNSON) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:15:48 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Hands Up for Triumphest 07 Message-ID: I've been getting some e-mail traffic concerning the Triumphest 2007 this year. This is what I need. If you are going, have registered and have room reservations or are planning too, please contact me. It would be great for all of us to be able to caravan down together. http://www.triumphest.com/ Thanks, Mitch From jon at jonzaremba.com Sun Sep 9 01:26:00 2007 From: jon at jonzaremba.com (Jon Zaremba) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 01:26:00 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Jensen Healy for $300 in West Jordan... Message-ID: <1446996100CD428DB6A6FBE64DB1E65F@Helm> Hey gang...just saw this on KSL and figured i'd pass it on. Seems like a very low price...especially given the description... http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=297384 Jon Zaremba 79 B 80 Cressida From kandmcowan at earthlink.net Sun Sep 9 11:56:43 2007 From: kandmcowan at earthlink.net (Kevin Cowan) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:56:43 -0700 Subject: [Bmcu] 71 Midget on Craigs list Message-ID: <380-22007909175643323@earthlink.net> $2500 isn't bad if its in as good shape at the owner clams. Below is from that listing. I love this car. Perfect 2-seater for the upcoming fall! It's a head turner and a blast to drive. Unfortunately, I'm moving and must sell it. I've owned this car for about a year and kept it garaged the entire time with a suede cover over it. I can still count how many times I've taken it out on two hands. It has 88K original miles. The title is clean. The interior is in great shape and the body has NO rust. The previous owner also garaged it. The owner before him has saved maintenance receipts that go back to the 80's that I also have. The tires have a lot of tread on them and the rims are wire chrome. So are the bumpers. Come have a look, take it for a spin, and make me an offer. You can e-mail me or call me @ (801) 628-2556. Thanks. Go to carigslist for photo's and contact info. http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/car/417402398.htm From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 9 12:24:47 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:24:47 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 71 Midget on Craigs list In-Reply-To: <380-22007909175643323@earthlink.net> References: <380-22007909175643323@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46E43A6F.4060205@bradakis.com> >http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/car/417402398.html > > For saome reason the final 'l' was left off in the original message, the link should now work. mjb. http://baileysautomotive.com From racergt at xmission.com Sun Sep 9 12:44:14 2007 From: racergt at xmission.com (Lee) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Spitfire front suspension parts - ball joints and trunnions In-Reply-To: <46E43A6F.4060205@bradakis.com> References: <380-22007909175643323@earthlink.net> <46E43A6F.4060205@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070909123611.02835d78@mail.xmission.com> Is there anyone in or around Salt Lake who stocks the upper ball joint the last 60's Spitfire? My Europa shares these parts with the Triumph Spitfire and I want to replace the upper ball joints on both sides. Also, what is the recommended oil to use for the trunnions? Engine oil like 10W30? 75 weight or thicker gear lube? My Lotus manual failed to mention the correct fluid for the trunnions... Lee - 1969 Lotus Europa S2Z getting ready to offer up the chassis to the body! From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 9 13:06:19 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:06:19 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Spitfire front suspension parts - ball joints and trunnions In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070909123611.02835d78@mail.xmission.com> References: <380-22007909175643323@earthlink.net> <46E43A6F.4060205@bradakis.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070909123611.02835d78@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <46E4442B.1080803@bradakis.com> I know I have some ball joints in stock, but I don't remember at the moment if they are TR4-6 or Spitfire. I'll have to check and get back to you. On a commercial note of shameless self-promotion, if you order parts from Bailey's we can usually have them in a couple of days. Unless it is something not normally stocked by the various suppliers, like, say, left side door panels for a '69 TR6. That was on backorder only a month or two! mjb. From spitfiresrule at msn.com Mon Sep 10 14:08:00 2007 From: spitfiresrule at msn.com (MITCH D JOHNSON) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:08:00 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Message-ID: For your reading pleasure, or frustration? Mitch http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html From kmhmanagement at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 17:02:52 2007 From: kmhmanagement at comcast.net (Mark Hansen) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:02:52 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Jensen Healy for $300 in West Jordan... References: <1446996100CD428DB6A6FBE64DB1E65F@Helm> Message-ID: <002a01c7f3fe$b7b93700$0202a8c0@downstairs> Forget it... Tried to contact the seller and he will not respond... Think he made some major mistakes in the listing... Don't waste your time... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Zaremba" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:26 AM Subject: [Bmcu] Jensen Healy for $300 in West Jordan... > Hey gang...just saw this on KSL and figured i'd pass it on. Seems like a > very low price...especially given the description... > > http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=297384 > > Jon Zaremba > 79 B > 80 Cressida > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From Gbrovers at aol.com Tue Sep 11 00:25:22 2007 From: Gbrovers at aol.com (Gbrovers at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:25:22 EDT Subject: [Bmcu] Spridget info Message-ID: Does anyone know what year that MG Midgets started using the 1500 cc engine instead of the 1275? Was the 1500 engine a complete POS and why? Bill ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From adamant at xmission.com Tue Sep 11 07:51:34 2007 From: adamant at xmission.com (adamant at xmission.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:51:34 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Fwd: Spridget info Message-ID: <20070911075134.o9n8n53x0ko0ww4k@webmail.xmission.com> Bill, There is some of your info here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Midget Adam. ----- Forwarded message from Gbrovers at aol.com ----- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:25:22 EDT From: Gbrovers at aol.com Reply-To: Gbrovers at aol.com Subject: [Bmcu] Spridget info To: bmcu at autox.team.net Does anyone know what year that MG Midgets started using the 1500 cc engine instead of the 1275? Was the 1500 engine a complete POS and why? Bill ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu ----- End forwarded message ----- From stradi at xmission.com Tue Sep 11 08:32:17 2007 From: stradi at xmission.com (Michael Scoggins) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:32:17 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. Message-ID: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> Mitch sent out an address for the 50 worst cars. I couldn't get it to run so I did a search and found that it was missing a (.). Here is the address that I got to work. http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html Michael Scoggins From jon at jonzaremba.com Tue Sep 11 09:38:53 2007 From: jon at jonzaremba.com (Jon Zaremba) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:38:53 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? In-Reply-To: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> References: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> Message-ID: <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> Hi Gang, Well, the weather couldn't be finer this week! I'm still learning some of Utah's best kept secret roads. Does anyone have any suggestions on some of their favorite drives in the area? Perhaps some nice wooded non-highway (but paved) roads that aren't too obvious when browsing Mapquest? Thanks, Jon Zaremba 79 B 80 Cressida From Jonathan.Hermance at ATK.COM Tue Sep 11 11:05:03 2007 From: Jonathan.Hermance at ATK.COM (Hermance, Jonathan) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:05:03 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? In-Reply-To: <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> References: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> Message-ID: <17A7303D2D920945961624A9BD1954700158BB92@ut40se01.atk.com> Jon, Timpanogas Cave to Hwy 189 past Sundance. A primary attraction of the Alpine Loop Tour the BMCU has taken every August or so for the past 15 plus years. Jon H. -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jon Zaremba Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:39 AM To: BCMU Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Hi Gang, Well, the weather couldn't be finer this week! I'm still learning some of Utah's best kept secret roads. Does anyone have any suggestions on some of their favorite drives in the area? Perhaps some nice wooded non-highway (but paved) roads that aren't too obvious when browsing Mapquest? Thanks, Jon Zaremba 79 B 80 Cressida From andrew at drooartz.com Tue Sep 11 12:50:13 2007 From: andrew at drooartz.com (Andrew Frink) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? In-Reply-To: <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> References: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> Message-ID: <53997.205.123.189.56.1189536613.squirrel@box326.bluehost.com> Wolf Creek pass, from Francis to Hanna -- one of my favorites, and often deserted during the week. > Hi Gang, > > Well, the weather couldn't be finer this week! I'm still learning some of > Utah's best kept secret roads. Does anyone have any suggestions on some > of > their favorite drives in the area? Perhaps some nice wooded non-highway > (but paved) roads that aren't too obvious when browsing Mapquest? > > Thanks, > Jon Zaremba > 79 B > 80 Cressida > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From bughous at msn.com Tue Sep 11 12:54:29 2007 From: bughous at msn.com (Eugene Jaroch) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:54:29 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Message-ID: From: Eugene Jaroch To: Jon Zaremba Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Jon, "Once Around the Lake". Pineview, that is. 89 north out of SLC to Uintah. Harrison Blvd. through Ogden and 12th. St./Hwy 39 up to Pineview Res. in Huntsville. Along the way is Rainbow Gardens, the Oaks, the Trappist Monastery and the Shooting Star in Huntsville. Through Eden and Liberty then up and over the North Ogden Divide. Jog to the left then west to Washington Blvd. Fill your water bottles at the artesian well there in the Acres Market parking lot then south toward Ogden stopping at Country Boy Dairy. Washington joins 89 in Ogden. Happy Trails, Paul 80 B From bdcanada at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 13:01:54 2007 From: bdcanada at sbcglobal.net (bdcanada at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:01:54 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Bmcu] Request to be removed Message-ID: <46E6E618.000003.00480@SKINNY> As marketing manager for British Wire Wheel I am getting all the club email among the members. Please remove me from the list. I am interested in your newsletters but not all of the communication between your members. If you can fix this I would be very grateful. Thanks, Dan Canada British Wire Wheel [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of elephant_en.gif] From rgood36362 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 13:58:27 2007 From: rgood36362 at aol.com (rgood36362 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:58:27 -0400 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? In-Reply-To: <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> References: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> Message-ID: <8C9C2C540E37195-D48-4EDE@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Two suggestions: ? Trapper's Loop/Old Snowbasin road: Go up I-84 (only have to do about 6 miles of freeway), get off at Mountain Green and follow the signs to Snowbasin.? After hitting the resort, continue on the old Snowbasin road (lots of twisties) to where it drops down to Pineview reservoir.? For there, take a right and do a loop around the lake, or left and head down Ogden canyon.? Emigration/East Canyon: Start out like you're going for Trapper's loop, but instead of following the signs to Snowbasin, continue on the old road to Morgan.? Head up east canyon, take a swing around the east shore of the lake, and keep heading south.? When you get to Emigration canyon, you can turn right, do the twisties, and go past the zoo and This is the Place.? Or continue going straight and end up on I-80 about 2/3 of the way down Parley's canyon. Rich Goodman -----Original Message----- From: Jon Zaremba To: BCMU Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 9:38 am Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Hi Gang, Well, the weather couldn't be finer this week! I'm still learning some of Utah's best kept secret roads. Does anyone have any suggestions on some of their favorite drives in the area? Perhaps some nice wooded non-highway (but paved) roads that aren't too obvious when browsing Mapquest? Thanks, Jon Zaremba 79 B 80 Cressida _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From rgood36362 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 13:59:47 2007 From: rgood36362 at aol.com (rgood36362 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:59:47 -0400 Subject: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. In-Reply-To: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> References: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> Message-ID: <8C9C2C570632E29-D48-4EFC@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> I voted for Time magazine as one of the 50 worst magazines.... Rich Goodman Proud owner of a "doorstop" -----Original Message----- From: Michael Scoggins To: BCMU Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 8:32 am Subject: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. Mitch sent out an address for the 50 worst cars. I couldn't get it to run so I did a search and found that it was missing a (.). Here is the address that I got to work. http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html Michael Scoggins _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From RFMARKMANN at aol.com Tue Sep 11 19:16:00 2007 From: RFMARKMANN at aol.com (RFMARKMANN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:16:00 EDT Subject: [Bmcu] Request to be removed Message-ID: compelling concept ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From stonestaff at mindspring.com Tue Sep 11 21:33:13 2007 From: stonestaff at mindspring.com (Clayton Merchant) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:33:13 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? In-Reply-To: <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> Message-ID: Jon, two suggestions but both will require a fair bit of driving and make sure your cooling system is up for both. Option 1) Mirror Lake Highway-beautiful high mountain drive through the scenic Uinta's. Take I-80 east up to Wanship and get off at exit 156. This will take you past Rockport State Park on SR-32. Continue on SR-32 into Kamas where you will head east on SR-150 which is the Mirror Lake Highway. Follow it up as far as you wish to go, all the way to Evanston,Wyo. if you want. Some of the most beautiful country in the state, but as I said, be prepared, because you will climb to nearly 10,000 feet. Best to go during the week rather than the weekend as this is a popular recreation area. Option 2) Logan Canyon to Bear Lake- Find your way to Logan whichever way you prefer, I-15 or 89 to Perry/Brigham City. Head east up Sardine Canyon to Logan. Take highway 89 east out of Logan past Utah State Univ. into Logan canyon. Again, magnificent scenery all the way up to Bear Lake, drop down into Garden City and make sure you stop at either Lebeau's or the Quick and Tasty for their Rasberry Shakes this time of year. Drive around the lake over to Montpelier or take Ovid Canyon into Preston, Idaho. Can't beat the scenery. Again, this is a good climb and involves an entire day's jaunt. Do it during the week to avoid the SUV's pulling boats. Another very popular place. Well worth the drive in either case if you have the time and confidence in your machine, but I know you have an MG so that shouldn't be a problem. Now if you had that other brand that starts with the letter T......, well then all bets are off! Clayton -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jon Zaremba Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:39 AM To: BCMU Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Hi Gang, Well, the weather couldn't be finer this week! I'm still learning some of Utah's best kept secret roads. Does anyone have any suggestions on some of their favorite drives in the area? Perhaps some nice wooded non-highway (but paved) roads that aren't too obvious when browsing Mapquest? Thanks, Jon Zaremba 79 B 80 Cressida _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From wbeech at flash.net Tue Sep 11 22:29:31 2007 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:29:31 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070912042922.05A321879D7@autox.team.net> Option #1 sounds fun, as the weather is cooling perhaps the old TR3 will be up to the task. I think I was about 10 shy of boiling on the trek up the Alpine Loop on a rather warm Saturday a few weeks ago, but it sure was fun being out with all the LBCs. Bill B '58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (rolling restoration) "A bad day in your TR just gives you license to go shopping on-line again!" -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clayton Merchant Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:33 PM To: Jon Zaremba Cc: BMCU Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Jon, two suggestions but both will require a fair bit of driving and make sure your cooling system is up for both. Option 1) Mirror Lake Highway-beautiful high mountain drive through the scenic Uinta's. Take I-80 east up to Wanship and get off at exit 156. This will take you past Rockport State Park on SR-32. Continue on SR-32 into Kamas where you will head east on SR-150 which is the Mirror Lake Highway. Follow it up as far as you wish to go, all the way to Evanston,Wyo. if you want. Some of the most beautiful country in the state, but as I said, be prepared, because you will climb to nearly 10,000 feet. Best to go during the week rather than the weekend as this is a popular recreation area. Option 2) Logan Canyon to Bear Lake- Find your way to Logan whichever way you prefer, I-15 or 89 to Perry/Brigham City. Head east up Sardine Canyon to Logan. Take highway 89 east out of Logan past Utah State Univ. into Logan canyon. Again, magnificent scenery all the way up to Bear Lake, drop down into Garden City and make sure you stop at either Lebeau's or the Quick and Tasty for their Rasberry Shakes this time of year. Drive around the lake over to Montpelier or take Ovid Canyon into Preston, Idaho. Can't beat the scenery. Again, this is a good climb and involves an entire day's jaunt. Do it during the week to avoid the SUV's pulling boats. Another very popular place. Well worth the drive in either case if you have the time and confidence in your machine, but I know you have an MG so that shouldn't be a problem. Now if you had that other brand that starts with the letter T......, well then all bets are off! Clayton -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jon Zaremba Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:39 AM To: BCMU Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Hi Gang, Well, the weather couldn't be finer this week! I'm still learning some of Utah's best kept secret roads. Does anyone have any suggestions on some of their favorite drives in the area? Perhaps some nice wooded non-highway (but paved) roads that aren't too obvious when browsing Mapquest? Thanks, Jon Zaremba 79 B 80 Cressida _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM From mark at bradakis.com Wed Sep 12 01:05:43 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:05:43 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Spridget info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E78FC7.2080807@bradakis.com> Boy, you'd think I'd know when British Leyland started putting the Spit motor in the Midget, but off hand I don't know which year, whether or not it coincided with rubber bumpers. Anyway, the 1500 wasn't the best Spitfire motor, but it wasn't bad. There were some crank oiling issues and localized hot spots in that block casting but nothing serious. The 1500 did share the problem of having the thrust washers fall out if folks didn't pay attention to wear, just like like the other Spitfire, Herald, GT6, TR6 motors. The general consensus seems to be that the failure rate of these motors was higher in the Midgets than the Spitfires for two reasons. First off, they didn't like having to serve time in an inferior car ;-) But more important was the basic design difference. In the seperate frame and body of the Spitfire, there was plenty of breathing room in the engine bay for the motor. In the closer confines of the unibody Midgets, keeping cool air flowing around the block was difficult, so the motors tended to run hotter and trash more rod bearings, thrust washers and such. But in general the long stroke of the 1500 motor lends itself to low and midrange torque better than the other three Spitfire motors ( the 1147, the 1296 and the 1296) and makes a decent street motor, and as the Killer Spit has demonstrated in the past a decent autocross engine. But for racing, the small journal 1296 is still the best bet. Gee, most folks are nodding off, I better shut up now and move on to other topics. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Sep 12 01:23:09 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:23:09 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Request to be removed In-Reply-To: <46E6E618.000003.00480@SKINNY> References: <46E6E618.000003.00480@SKINNY> Message-ID: <46E793DD.20504@bradakis.com> Each and every message to the BMCU list has a wealth of information contained in the headers, specifically the rfc2369 compliant stuff. But unlike myself, the vast majority of folks on this list have not spent a quarter of a century in the computer field, and have no idea what I'm talking about. So they are missing out on all the quick links to subscription management the headers provide, like these: List-Id: British Motor Club of Utah List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , But everyone getting this list, in either regular or digest form, should be seeing the line http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu somewhere in each and every message that shows up in their mailbox. If your internet service provides you with web access, you can click on this link and manage your subscription, doing things like switching from regular to digest mode, changing various options and unsubscribing. The monthly reminder message sent to all list members also has links so that folks can manage their subscriptions with just a few clicks. Hmmm, one thing I really need to get sone soon is fix it so the links to the archives that one sees actually go to http://www.team.net/archive instead of the much less useful default location. RealSoonNow, maybe after I get Killer's 1500 motor back together! mjb. From adamant at xmission.com Wed Sep 12 07:46:43 2007 From: adamant at xmission.com (adamant at xmission.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:46:43 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Spridget info In-Reply-To: <46E78FC7.2080807@bradakis.com> References: <46E78FC7.2080807@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20070912074643.ihepbra0owk0gwkg@webmail.xmission.com> Well the answer (if anyone cared to look 8^) ) was 1974! If anyone is planning any casual fall drives, let us all know. As for me, well I can't drive too slow or my intercooler gets too hot (well thats my excuse anyway). Cheers All, Adam. Quoting "Mark J. Bradakis" | > Boy, you'd think I'd know when British Leyland started putting the Spit > motor in the Midget, but off hand I don't know which year, whether or > not it coincided with rubber bumpers. > > Anyway, the 1500 wasn't the best Spitfire motor, but it wasn't bad. > There were some crank oiling issues and localized hot spots in that > block casting but nothing serious. The 1500 did share the problem > of having the thrust washers fall out if folks didn't pay attention to > wear, just like like the other Spitfire, Herald, GT6, TR6 motors. > > The general consensus seems to be that the failure rate of these motors > was higher in the Midgets than the Spitfires for two reasons. First off, > they didn't like having to serve time in an inferior car ;-) But more > important was the basic design difference. In the seperate frame and > body of the Spitfire, there was plenty of breathing room in the engine > bay for the motor. > > In the closer confines of the unibody Midgets, keeping cool air flowing > around the block was difficult, so the motors tended to run hotter and > trash more rod bearings, thrust washers and such. > > But in general the long stroke of the 1500 motor lends itself to low > and midrange torque better than the other three Spitfire motors ( the > 1147, the 1296 and the 1296) and makes a decent street motor, and > as the Killer Spit has demonstrated in the past a decent autocross > engine. But for racing, the small journal 1296 is still the best bet. > > Gee, most folks are nodding off, I better shut up now and move on > to other topics. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From adamant at xmission.com Wed Sep 12 07:50:32 2007 From: adamant at xmission.com (adamant at xmission.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:50:32 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Request to be removed In-Reply-To: <46E793DD.20504@bradakis.com> References: <46E6E618.000003.00480@SKINNY> <46E793DD.20504@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20070912075032.koi0kzq8000kkw0k@webmail.xmission.com> LOL, I think you lost them all at RFC2369! Mark have you been out to any events this year? I can't say I have all that active myself. -- Adam. Quoting "Mark J. Bradakis" | > Each and every message to the BMCU list has a wealth of information > contained in the headers, specifically the rfc2369 compliant stuff. But > unlike myself, the vast majority of folks on this list have not spent a > quarter > of a century in the computer field, and have no idea what I'm talking about. > So they are missing out on all the quick links to subscription management > the headers provide, like these: > > List-Id: British Motor Club of Utah > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > > > But everyone getting this list, in either regular or digest form, should be > seeing the line > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu > > somewhere in each and every message that shows up in their mailbox. > If your internet service provides you with web access, you can click on this > link and manage your subscription, doing things like switching from regular > to digest mode, changing various options and unsubscribing. The monthly > reminder message sent to all list members also has links so that folks can > manage their subscriptions with just a few clicks. > > Hmmm, one thing I really need to get sone soon is fix it so the links to the > archives that one sees actually go to http://www.team.net/archive instead > of the much less useful default location. RealSoonNow, maybe after I > get Killer's 1500 motor back together! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From stradi at xmission.com Wed Sep 12 09:28:08 2007 From: stradi at xmission.com (Michael Scoggins) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:28:08 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Car Brands. Message-ID: >Well worth the drive in either case if you have the time and >confidence in your machine, but I know you have an MG so that shouldn't >be a problem. Now if you had that other brand that starts with the letter >T......, well then all bets are off! > >Clayton Other Brand? Your just jealous you don't have a 6 under the hood. It's true I personally have had a couple of issues with the car, like not tightening the fly wheel bolts to the correct torque and having to be towed home from Moab, and currently have problems with Davis county emissions, and now a clunk in the rear end. But I also drove the car to Santa Barbara last year and back with no issues. So I don't know if we, the Triumph community, haven any more issues than you MG guys. ;-0 Happy driving. Michael Scoggins From chrisjones_67 at msn.com Wed Sep 12 09:44:55 2007 From: chrisjones_67 at msn.com (chrisjones_67 at msn.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:44:55 +0000 Subject: [Bmcu] Car Brands. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jealousy is not a factor once the MG is powered with proper V8 engine! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Scoggins" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:28:08 To:"BCMU" Subject: [Bmcu] Car Brands. >Well worth the drive in either case if you have the time and >confidence in your machine, but I know you have an MG so that shouldn't >be a problem. Now if you had that other brand that starts with the letter >T......, well then all bets are off! > >Clayton Other Brand? Your just jealous you don't have a 6 under the hood. It's true I personally have had a couple of issues with the car, like not tightening the fly wheel bolts to the correct torque and having to be towed home from Moab, and currently have problems with Davis county emissions, and now a clunk in the rear end. But I also drove the car to Santa Barbara last year and back with no issues. So I don't know if we, the Triumph community, haven any more issues than you MG guys. ;-0 Happy driving. Michael Scoggins _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From eastoncp at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 14:46:37 2007 From: eastoncp at yahoo.com (Charles Easton) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bmcu] Car Brands. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <968745.84447.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You know, my brothers and I have had this debate for 25 years. It's great to see it's still going! chrisjones_67 at msn.com wrote: Jealousy is not a factor once the MG is powered with proper V8 engine! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Scoggins" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:28:08 To:"BCMU" Subject: [Bmcu] Car Brands. >Well worth the drive in either case if you have the time and >confidence in your machine, but I know you have an MG so that shouldn't >be a problem. Now if you had that other brand that starts with the letter >T......, well then all bets are off! > >Clayton Other Brand? Your just jealous you don't have a 6 under the hood. It's true I personally have had a couple of issues with the car, like not tightening the fly wheel bolts to the correct torque and having to be towed home from Moab, and currently have problems with Davis county emissions, and now a clunk in the rear end. But I also drove the car to Santa Barbara last year and back with no issues. So I don't know if we, the Triumph community, haven any more issues than you MG guys. ;-0 Happy driving. Michael Scoggins _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From eastoncp at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 14:55:50 2007 From: eastoncp at yahoo.com (Charles Easton) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bmcu] MG Starter for Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <147046.95324.qm@web35311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I've inherited an MGB (late model 1968-1980) high-torque, gear reduction starter that I can't use. It's brand new with a few oil smudges. New ones cost $200.00. I'm asking $100.00. Let me know if you're interested. Thanks, Chuck From www.tsimportedautomotive.com: General Information: Solenoid Design - The inherent design of the Lucas solenoid is very susceptible to Hot Start Syndrome. This is because the windings of the solenoid are encapsulated in steel. There is simply no means for the heat to dissipate. The solenoid for our Hi-Torque starter is encased in aluminum. Inside the area for the solenoid there is the equivalent of 1/2 cup volume of air. Further, it is equipped with a vent hole. Every time the solenoid is engaged, it pushes (pulls) cooler air into the solenoid area thus virtually eliminating the Hot Start Syndrome.d Gear Ratio - The gear ratio of the starter is 4.44:1 which enables the starter to develop its unique torque values. Bearings vs Bushings - The Hi-Torque starter is equipped with five (5) full roller bearings while the typical Lucas unit uses two (2) bushings to suspend the armature. Technical Data No load condition @ 11.5 wolts Max current (amps) - 90 or less Minimum speed (rpm) - 3000 or more Load condition 8.0 volts are minimum voltage requirements Torque - .65 kg-n Maximum current (amps) - 250 or less Minimum speed (rpm) - 1180 or more Lock test Voltage - 2.5v (at least 7:1 CR) Max current (amps) - 300 or less Minimum torque (kg - n) - .7 or more Specifications Voltages - 12v Output - 1kn Rating (seconds) - 30 seconds Torque rating - 534 ft. lbs NOTE: Torque rating is based on a 9 tooth pinion gear. --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. From kandmcowan at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 17:15:28 2007 From: kandmcowan at earthlink.net (kandmcowan at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:15:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Message-ID: <32773835.1189638929291.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm looking for a good, but slightly shorter drive this weekend, maybe around 100mi total from SLC. I need to be back in time to pull the trany on my brand new fresh out of the box restored Healey 100M, so I can chase the oil leak on my just rebuilt engine. Kevin -----Original Message----- >From: wbeech >Sent: Sep 11, 2007 10:29 PM >To: stonestaff at mindspring.com, 'Jon Zaremba' >Cc: 'BMCU' >Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? > >Option #1 sounds fun, as the weather is cooling perhaps the old TR3 will be >up to the task. I think I was about 10 shy of boiling on the trek up the >Alpine Loop on a rather warm Saturday a few weeks ago, but it sure was fun >being out with all the LBCs. > >Bill B >'58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (rolling restoration) >"A bad day in your TR just gives you license to go shopping on-line again!" > > >-----Original Message----- >From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Clayton Merchant >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:33 PM >To: Jon Zaremba >Cc: BMCU >Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? > >Jon, two suggestions but both will require a fair bit of driving and make >sure your cooling system is up for both. > >Option 1) Mirror Lake Highway-beautiful high mountain drive through the >scenic Uinta's. Take I-80 east up to Wanship and get off at exit 156. This >will take you past Rockport State Park on SR-32. Continue on SR-32 into >Kamas where you will head east on SR-150 which is the Mirror Lake Highway. >Follow it up as far as you wish to go, all the way to Evanston,Wyo. if you >want. Some of the most beautiful country in the state, but as I said, be >prepared, because you will climb to nearly 10,000 feet. Best to go during >the week rather than the weekend as this is a popular recreation area. > >Option 2) Logan Canyon to Bear Lake- Find your way to Logan whichever way >you prefer, I-15 or 89 to Perry/Brigham City. Head east up Sardine Canyon to >Logan. Take highway 89 east out of Logan past Utah State Univ. into Logan >canyon. Again, magnificent scenery all the way up to Bear Lake, drop down >into Garden City and make sure you stop at either Lebeau's or the Quick and >Tasty for their Rasberry Shakes this time of year. Drive around the lake >over to Montpelier or take Ovid Canyon into Preston, Idaho. Can't beat the >scenery. Again, this is a good climb and involves an entire day's jaunt. Do >it during the week to avoid the SUV's pulling boats. Another very popular >place. Well worth the drive in either case if you have the time and >confidence in your machine, but I know you have an MG so that shouldn't be a >problem. Now if you had that other brand that starts with the letter >T......, well then all bets are off! > >Clayton > >-----Original Message----- >From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net]On >Behalf Of Jon Zaremba >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:39 AM >To: BCMU >Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? > > >Hi Gang, > >Well, the weather couldn't be finer this week! I'm still learning some of >Utah's best kept secret roads. Does anyone have any suggestions on some of >their favorite drives in the area? Perhaps some nice wooded non-highway >(but paved) roads that aren't too obvious when browsing Mapquest? > >Thanks, >Jon Zaremba >79 B >80 Cressida >_______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >_______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 >5:46 PM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 >5:46 PM From stonestaff at mindspring.com Wed Sep 12 20:11:54 2007 From: stonestaff at mindspring.com (Clayton Merchant) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:11:54 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Car Brands. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike, you made my point for me!! LOL :^) (All in good fun,of course.) Clayton -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael Scoggins Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:28 AM To: BCMU Subject: [Bmcu] Car Brands. >Well worth the drive in either case if you have the time and >confidence in your machine, but I know you have an MG so that shouldn't >be a problem. Now if you had that other brand that starts with the letter >T......, well then all bets are off! > >Clayton Other Brand? Your just jealous you don't have a 6 under the hood. It's true I personally have had a couple of issues with the car, like not tightening the fly wheel bolts to the correct torque and having to be towed home from Moab, and currently have problems with Davis county emissions, and now a clunk in the rear end. But I also drove the car to Santa Barbara last year and back with no issues. So I don't know if we, the Triumph community, haven any more issues than you MG guys. ;-0 Happy driving. Michael Scoggins _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From jon at jonzaremba.com Wed Sep 12 20:56:51 2007 From: jon at jonzaremba.com (Jon Zaremba) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:56:51 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] LBC Wanted In-Reply-To: <8C9C2C540E37195-D48-4EDE@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> References: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> <8C9C2C540E37195-D48-4EDE@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Someone on Craigslist in SLC is looking....here's the add: http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/car/420473616.html Jon Zaremba From jon at jonzaremba.com Wed Sep 12 21:04:37 2007 From: jon at jonzaremba.com (Jon Zaremba) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:04:37 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824F70EA3A6F40EC92DC9E36DFA5E35E@Helm> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I've been on most of these roads already, but there are a few that are new to me. I'll be exploring! Jon Z. From bughous at msn.com Wed Sep 12 21:15:42 2007 From: bughous at msn.com (Eugene Jaroch) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:15:42 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? References: <824F70EA3A6F40EC92DC9E36DFA5E35E@Helm> Message-ID: "wolf"? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Zaremba To: BMCU Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I've been on most of these roads already, but there are a few that are new to me. I'll be exploring! Jon Z. _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From heyitsblake at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 23:21:16 2007 From: heyitsblake at gmail.com (Blake Beecher) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:21:16 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? In-Reply-To: <8C9C2C540E37195-D48-4EDE@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> References: <040FD1405ABA4FF29D01E2A90571530C@MScogginsPC> <04E013EBFB204F448698E2A01E1C4AE2@Helm> <8C9C2C540E37195-D48-4EDE@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip regarding East Canyon. I took that drive today (Wednesday). Emigration Canyon was awful! (A perfect drive for a Land Rover, as there were potholes, construction, and endless slow vehicles.) East Canyon, though, WOW!!! Forty-five minutes of some of the best driving in my life. Not a SINGLE other vehicle going my way for the entire drive to Henifer. Thanks for the great suggestion. - Blake On 9/11/07, rgood36362 at aol.com wrote: > > Two suggestions: > > ? > > Trapper's Loop/Old Snowbasin road: > > Go up I-84 (only have to do about 6 miles of freeway), get off at Mountain > Green and follow the signs to Snowbasin.? After hitting the resort, continue > on the old Snowbasin road (lots of twisties) to where it drops down to > Pineview reservoir.? For there, take a right and do a loop around the lake, > or left and head down Ogden canyon.? > > Emigration/East Canyon: > Start out like you're going for Trapper's loop, but instead of following > the signs to Snowbasin, continue on the old road to Morgan.? Head up east > canyon, take a swing around the east shore of the lake, and keep heading > south.? When you get to Emigration canyon, you can turn right, do the > twisties, and go past the zoo and This is the Place.? Or continue going > straight and end up on I-80 about 2/3 of the way down Parley's canyon. > > Rich Goodman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Zaremba > To: BCMU > Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 9:38 am > Subject: [Bmcu] Suggested Drives? > > > > > Hi Gang, > > Well, the weather couldn't be finer this week! I'm still learning some of > Utah's best kept secret roads. Does anyone have any suggestions on some > of > their favorite drives in the area? Perhaps some nice wooded non-highway > (but paved) roads that aren't too obvious when browsing Mapquest? > > Thanks, > Jon Zaremba > 79 B > 80 Cressida > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From kandmcowan at earthlink.net Thu Sep 13 07:15:27 2007 From: kandmcowan at earthlink.net (Kevin Cowan) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:15:27 -0700 Subject: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. Message-ID: <380-220079413131527339@earthlink.net> Pretty funny articles, although if you read the review of the Stag one does get the idea that they are not laughing WITH us. Also see the write up on the Bricklen if your wondering why the Miners day parade is run going down hill. Kevin > [Original Message] > From: > To: ; > Date: 9/11/2007 1:00:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. > > I voted for Time magazine as one of the 50 worst magazines.... > > > > Rich Goodman > > Proud owner of a "doorstop" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Scoggins > To: BCMU > Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 8:32 am > Subject: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. > > > > > Mitch sent out an address for the 50 worst cars. I couldn't get it to run so I > did a search and found that it was missing a (.). Here is the address that I > got to work. > > http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html > > Michael Scoggins > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From jpivirotto at firstindustrial.com Thu Sep 13 08:27:22 2007 From: jpivirotto at firstindustrial.com (Jim Pivirotto) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:27:22 -0500 Subject: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. In-Reply-To: <380-220079413131527339@earthlink.net> Message-ID: As a BMCU'er and a Bricklin owner, I can tell you that the 74 Bricklin was not that slow and in fact outran the corvette in those years. Granted emissions had taken their toll on all cars at that time and the quality of the Brick was very bad so maybe it should be on the list. But like many of this author's critiques he probably never drove a Bricklin or any of the other cars he is putting down. Pugs From hegg at unabled.com Thu Sep 13 08:44:12 2007 From: hegg at unabled.com (Jeff) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:44:12 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E94CBC.2010801@unabled.com> I have to agree - I don't know that the author has driven or probably even seen many of the cars he criticized. Everyone's goal in a car is different anyway. A "worst" car is not necessarily one that breaks down. Ask a vintage Lotus owner if their problem-prone car was the worst car they've ever had. A "best" car isn't one that's reliable and comfortable either. Does everyone enjoy the wind through their hair and the body roll when they drive a Buick LeSabre through the canyon with the window down? But it's all subjective anyway and I read it to enjoy the humorous comments! Jeff Jim Pivirotto wrote: > As a BMCU'er and a Bricklin owner, I can tell you that the 74 Bricklin > was not that slow and in fact outran the corvette in those years. > Granted emissions had taken their toll on all cars at that time and the > quality of the Brick was very bad so maybe it should be on the list. But > like many of this author's critiques he probably never drove a Bricklin > or any of the other cars he is putting down. Pugs > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From dbkimsey at hotmail.com Fri Sep 14 13:00:34 2007 From: dbkimsey at hotmail.com (dbkimsey) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:00:34 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. References: <46E94CBC.2010801@unabled.com> Message-ID: Since I am the DeLorean driver I guess I have to take exception as well. Seems my friends got a kick out of the listing. The author doesn't like first year "experiments" My experience is that in over 20 years my DMC has kept running. Not the experience my brother has had but he never drives his, mine has nearly 100K miles on it. It is looking a little worn around the edges but it starts and runs most every day (during the good weather) When it was my daily driver it had no more than the usual issues. Tune-ups, clutch, brakes, tires, I lowered it 1 1/2" so it is a little harder on tires that it used to be but it handles better. The engine is not what it was designed for, the 2.8 v-6 is ok but a short block 327 would have made a world of difference--off the line. It drives quite nicely around the streets and in traffic, except that everyone is taller; Yesterday a new T-bird convert came by and I was looking Up at him, Great street legal go-cart! I can think of a lot worse things than that. Have a great day, enjoy the drive Dale Kimsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 50 worst cars. >I have to agree - I don't know that the author has driven or probably > even seen many of the cars he criticized. Everyone's goal in a car is > different anyway. A "worst" car is not necessarily one that breaks > down. Ask a vintage Lotus owner if their problem-prone car was the > worst car they've ever had. A "best" car isn't one that's reliable and > comfortable either. Does everyone enjoy the wind through their hair and > the body roll when they drive a Buick LeSabre through the canyon with > the window down? > > But it's all subjective anyway and I read it to enjoy the humorous > comments! > > Jeff > > > Jim Pivirotto wrote: >> As a BMCU'er and a Bricklin owner, I can tell you that the 74 Bricklin >> was not that slow and in fact outran the corvette in those years. >> Granted emissions had taken their toll on all cars at that time and the >> quality of the Brick was very bad so maybe it should be on the list. But >> like many of this author's critiques he probably never drove a Bricklin >> or any of the other cars he is putting down. Pugs >> _______________________________________________ >> Bmcu mailing list >> Bmcu at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From bughous at msn.com Sat Sep 15 14:47:17 2007 From: bughous at msn.com (Eugene Jaroch) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:47:17 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] State Street Cruise Message-ID: Hello Members, For our State Street Cruise next Saturday the 22nd. Joe would like to know how many cars and a head count of participants. May I have a show of hands, please? Thank You, Paul & Joe From beachbumbarry at msn.com Sun Sep 16 18:07:49 2007 From: beachbumbarry at msn.com (Barry Engstrum) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:07:49 -0700 Subject: [Bmcu] State Street Cruise References: Message-ID: Paul & Joe, I might be able to make it, but I need to know what time we meet and how long will we be cruising. Also where we will meet. Thanking you in advance for all the info. BarryE ----- Original Message ----- From: Eugene Jaroch To: bmcu at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: [Bmcu] State Street Cruise Hello Members, For our State Street Cruise next Saturday the 22nd. Joe would like to know how many cars and a head count of participants. May I have a show of hands, please? Thank You, Paul & Joe _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From gary at cs.utah.edu Sun Sep 16 18:10:43 2007 From: gary at cs.utah.edu (Gary Lindstrom) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:10:43 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] State Street Cruise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EDC603.8060902@cs.utah.edu> I'll jump in here -- the article that appeared in the Sept. newsletter gives all the details, and can be accessed on line via the trusty? Lucas calendar http://www.britishmotorclub.org/2007/StateStCruise9-22-07/ Cheers, --Gary Barry Engstrum wrote: > Paul & Joe, I might be able to make it, but I need to know what time we meet > and how long will we be cruising. > Also where we will meet. > Thanking you in advance for all the info. > BarryE From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 17 18:44:55 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:44:55 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Here's what we need! Message-ID: <46EF1F87.6030109@bradakis.com> Check out the description of the clubhouse - nice. mjb. ----- From: "Larry Daniels" Subject: PPP Tech Session 9-22-07 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:38:52 -0500 An open invitation to all the WI or nearby listers who care to come: This Saturday, Sept. 22, our local Brit car club, Fox Cities British Car Club, will be having an open house and dual tech session. We start at 10:30 AM with a session on the new oil formulas followed by a session by Peter Caldwell on lever action shocks. After the tech sessions the club will provide lunch and a tour of the clubhouse. The clubhouse is 14,000 square feet including a 7 stall service area, cold and temp-controlled car storage, a meeting room, a vending room, a kitchen, a library and a British Pub. Come for the tech sessions, come for the lunch, come for the tour or come for the brews in the pub. The address is 3531 Sand Pit Road, Oshkosh, WI. Hope to see some new faces. Any questions, contact me: Larry Daniels LADANIELS at SBCGLOBAL.NET From wbeech at flash.net Mon Sep 17 23:04:53 2007 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:04:53 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Here's what we need! In-Reply-To: <46EF1F87.6030109@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20070918050436.776711879D0@autox.team.net> Great, you'll have to triple the dues! BB -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:45 PM To: BCMU Subject: [Bmcu] Here's what we need! Check out the description of the clubhouse - nice. mjb. ----- From: "Larry Daniels" Subject: PPP Tech Session 9-22-07 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:38:52 -0500 An open invitation to all the WI or nearby listers who care to come: This Saturday, Sept. 22, our local Brit car club, Fox Cities British Car Club, will be having an open house and dual tech session. We start at 10:30 AM with a session on the new oil formulas followed by a session by Peter Caldwell on lever action shocks. After the tech sessions the club will provide lunch and a tour of the clubhouse. The clubhouse is 14,000 square feet including a 7 stall service area, cold and temp-controlled car storage, a meeting room, a vending room, a kitchen, a library and a British Pub. Come for the tech sessions, come for the lunch, come for the tour or come for the brews in the pub. The address is 3531 Sand Pit Road, Oshkosh, WI. Hope to see some new faces. Any questions, contact me: Larry Daniels LADANIELS at SBCGLOBAL.NET _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM From eastoncp at yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 15:42:23 2007 From: eastoncp at yahoo.com (Charles Easton) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bmcu] MG for Sale In-Reply-To: <46EDC603.8060902@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <519293.85783.qm@web35306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy folks, I just wanted everyone to know that I've reduced the sale price on my '70 MGBGT from $9,900 to $7000. Here's a description, and attached are photos. I've got it posted on a few pay sites, but if any of you know other clubs that might be interested please let me know. Thanks! The car is kept in excellent running condition and is show quality. It was fully restored in 1997 and always garaged, and has served as a daily driver in good weather and participates actively in the local British Car Club. While it is still a show-stopper there are some very minor signs of age on the body (nicks on the hood, one inch paint crack on the drivers side pillar, chrome tailpipe tip needs replacement). The interior is beautiful, and in excellent condition (black and white soft vinyl). Carpets are near perfect. The engine and electrical run very well, and require no work outside of routine maintenance. $7,000 or best offer. Call Chuck at 801-910-2263 (cell) or 801-546-6703 (home). --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 100_2237.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 100_2239.JPG] From gary at cs.utah.edu Wed Sep 26 09:21:23 2007 From: gary at cs.utah.edu (Gary Lindstrom) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:21:23 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Colour Tour update (Sunday 9/30) Message-ID: <46FA78F3.1080103@cs.utah.edu> The Salt Lake Tribune is predicting partly cloudy, high of 71, low of 41 for this Sunday. So, all systems are Go for the Fall Colour Tour. We'll rendezvous at 8:30am for a 9:00am departure at Hogle Zoo, as described in http://www.britishmotorclub.org/2007/ColourTour9-30-07/ Don't forget warm clothes and a picnic lunch (or plan to buy one in Kamas or Silver Creek Junction. --Gary p.s. There have been some construction stops on the upper Emigration Canyon road throughout the summer, which we'll likely encounter, just like we did on the Trappers Loop Run. I don't expect major delays, however. From jercurry at comcast.net Thu Sep 27 21:22:20 2007 From: jercurry at comcast.net (Jeremiah Curry) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:22:20 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Message-ID: <001501c8017e$c833bc80$0202fea9@screamer> Howdy all, I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since I got it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found that the holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes studs. I figured the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new ones. However after putting the new studs in I find the same problem, maybe a little less severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I can even get the gasket on without tearing it to pieces. Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? thanks, Jeremiah [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jeremiah at curryclan.net Thu Sep 27 21:20:22 2007 From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:20:22 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Message-ID: <001101c8017e$8e18dbc0$0202fea9@screamer> Howdy all, I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since I got it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found that the holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes studs. I figured the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new ones. However after putting the new studs in I find the same problem, maybe a little less severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I can even get the gasket on without tearing it to pieces. Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? thanks, Jeremiah [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From ron.christensen at wsapr.com Fri Sep 28 10:12:08 2007 From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:12:08 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: <001101c8017e$8e18dbc0$0202fea9@screamer> References: <001101c8017e$8e18dbc0$0202fea9@screamer> Message-ID: <001101c801ea$51bc0230$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> It is a common problem with all British cars . . . . block shrinkage. Take the engine out and warm it to 1000 degrees and the gasket should slide right on. -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:20 PM To: owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Howdy all, I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since I got it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found that the holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes studs. I figured the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new ones. However after putting the new studs in I find the same problem, maybe a little less severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I can even get the gasket on without tearing it to pieces. Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? thanks, Jeremiah [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From ihueton at yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 10:14:23 2007 From: ihueton at yahoo.com (Iain Hueton) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Message-ID: <914354.51785.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> could you throw the gasket in the freezer to shrink it down, slide over the bolts, and then let it warm up in place? Iain Iain Hueton www.toriandesigns.com 1804 Ross Drive Ogden, UT 84403 H 801-340-0049 email ihueton at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Christensen To: Jeremiah Curry ; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? It is a common problem with all British cars . . . . block shrinkage. Take the engine out and warm it to 1000 degrees and the gasket should slide right on. -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:20 PM To: owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Howdy all, I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since I got it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found that the holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes studs. I figured the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new ones. However after putting the new studs in I find the same problem, maybe a little less severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I can even get the gasket on without tearing it to pieces. Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? thanks, Jeremiah [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From ron.christensen at wsapr.com Fri Sep 28 10:32:17 2007 From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:32:17 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: <914354.51785.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <914354.51785.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c801ed$22643a90$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> The gasket, being copper, is resistant to shrinkage. Only heating the block will work. -----Original Message----- From: Iain Hueton [mailto:ihueton at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:14 AM To: Ron Christensen; Jeremiah Curry; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? could you throw the gasket in the freezer to shrink it down, slide over the bolts, and then let it warm up in place? Iain Iain Hueton www.toriandesigns.com 1804 Ross Drive Ogden, UT 84403 H 801-340-0049 email ihueton at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Christensen To: Jeremiah Curry ; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? It is a common problem with all British cars . . . . block shrinkage. Take the engine out and warm it to 1000 degrees and the gasket should slide right on. -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:20 PM To: owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Howdy all, I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since I got it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found that the holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes studs. I figured the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new ones. However after putting the new studs in I find the same problem, maybe a little less severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I can even get the gasket on without tearing it to pieces. Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? thanks, Jeremiah [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From kandmcowan at earthlink.net Fri Sep 28 12:08:11 2007 From: kandmcowan at earthlink.net (kandmcowan at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:08:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Message-ID: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The coefficent of expansion of copper is 17, steel is 11 (higher means more expansion). So cooling the copper will "Shrink" it. Good idea to put the gasket in the freezer. Here is the wikipedia website link if you wish to learn more on thermal expansion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_thermal_expansion Kevin -----Original Message----- >From: Ron Christensen >Sent: Sep 28, 2007 10:32 AM >To: 'Iain Hueton' , 'Jeremiah Curry' , owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net, bmcu at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? > >The gasket, being copper, is resistant to shrinkage. Only heating the block >will work. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Iain Hueton [mailto:ihueton at yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:14 AM >To: Ron Christensen; Jeremiah Curry; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; >bmcu at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? > >could you throw the gasket in the freezer to shrink it down, slide over the >bolts, and then let it warm up in place? >Iain > >Iain Hueton >www.toriandesigns.com >1804 Ross Drive >Ogden, UT 84403 >H 801-340-0049 >email ihueton at yahoo.com > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Ron Christensen >To: Jeremiah Curry ; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; >bmcu at autox.team.net >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:12:08 AM >Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? > > >It is a common problem with all British cars . . . . block shrinkage. Take >the engine out and warm it to 1000 degrees and the gasket should slide right >on. > >-----Original Message----- >From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:20 PM >To: owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net >Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? > >Howdy all, > >I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since I got >it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found that the >holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes studs. I figured >the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new ones. However after >putting the new studs in I find the same problem, maybe a little less >severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I can even get the gasket on >without tearing it to pieces. > >Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? > >thanks, >Jeremiah > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a >name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >_______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >_______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From elliottcheney at comcast.net Fri Sep 28 13:45:19 2007 From: elliottcheney at comcast.net (ElliottCheney) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:45:19 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: You can also carefully enlarge the bolt holes in the gasket with a home made punch. > The coefficent of expansion of copper is 17, steel is 11 (higher means more > expansion). So cooling the copper will "Shrink" it. Good idea to put the > gasket in the freezer. Here is the wikipedia website link if you wish to > learn more on thermal expansion. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_thermal_expansion > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Christensen >> Sent: Sep 28, 2007 10:32 AM >> To: 'Iain Hueton' , 'Jeremiah Curry' >> , owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net, bmcu at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? >> >> The gasket, being copper, is resistant to shrinkage. Only heating the block >> will work. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Iain Hueton [mailto:ihueton at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:14 AM >> To: Ron Christensen; Jeremiah Curry; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; >> bmcu at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? >> >> could you throw the gasket in the freezer to shrink it down, slide over the >> bolts, and then let it warm up in place? >> Iain >> >> Iain Hueton >> www.toriandesigns.com >> 1804 Ross Drive >> Ogden, UT 84403 >> H 801-340-0049 >> email ihueton at yahoo.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Ron Christensen >> To: Jeremiah Curry ; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; >> bmcu at autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:12:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? >> >> >> It is a common problem with all British cars . . . . block shrinkage. Take >> the engine out and warm it to 1000 degrees and the gasket should slide right >> on. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:20 PM >> To: owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? >> >> Howdy all, >> >> I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since I got >> it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found that the >> holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes studs. I figured >> the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new ones. However after >> putting the new studs in I find the same problem, maybe a little less >> severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I can even get the gasket on >> without tearing it to pieces. >> >> Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? >> >> thanks, >> Jeremiah >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Bmcu mailing list >> Bmcu at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >> _______________________________________________ >> Bmcu mailing list >> Bmcu at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >> _______________________________________________ >> Bmcu mailing list >> Bmcu at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From match at ece.utah.edu Fri Sep 28 14:25:33 2007 From: match at ece.utah.edu (match at ece.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:25:33 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: References: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: <46FD0EDD.408.187E2FF@match.ece.utah.edu> Does it occure to nobody besides me that he has the wrong gasket? From ron.christensen at wsapr.com Fri Sep 28 14:57:56 2007 From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:57:56 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003e01c80212$3f04b880$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> If you would like to learn more about my advice you can go to this Wikipedia website for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke Please read it carefully! -----Original Message----- From: kandmcowan at earthlink.net [mailto:kandmcowan at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:08 PM To: Ron Christensen; 'Iain Hueton'; 'Jeremiah Curry'; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? The coefficent of expansion of copper is 17, steel is 11 (higher means more expansion). So cooling the copper will "Shrink" it. Good idea to put the gasket in the freezer. Here is the wikipedia website link if you wish to learn more on thermal expansion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_thermal_expansion Kevin -----Original Message----- >From: Ron Christensen >Sent: Sep 28, 2007 10:32 AM >To: 'Iain Hueton' , 'Jeremiah Curry' >, owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net, >bmcu at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? > >The gasket, being copper, is resistant to shrinkage. Only heating the block >will work. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Iain Hueton [mailto:ihueton at yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:14 AM >To: Ron Christensen; Jeremiah Curry; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; >bmcu at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? > >could you throw the gasket in the freezer to shrink it down, slide >over the bolts, and then let it warm up in place? >Iain > >Iain Hueton >www.toriandesigns.com >1804 Ross Drive >Ogden, UT 84403 >H 801-340-0049 >email ihueton at yahoo.com > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Ron Christensen >To: Jeremiah Curry ; >owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:12:08 AM >Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? > > >It is a common problem with all British cars . . . . block shrinkage. >Take the engine out and warm it to 1000 degrees and the gasket should >slide right on. > >-----Original Message----- >From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:20 PM >To: owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net >Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? > >Howdy all, > >I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since I >got it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found >that the holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes >studs. I figured the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new >ones. However after putting the new studs in I find the same problem, >maybe a little less severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I >can even get the gasket on without tearing it to pieces. > >Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? > >thanks, >Jeremiah > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which >had a name of winmail.dat] >_______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >_______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >_______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From ron.christensen at wsapr.com Fri Sep 28 14:59:48 2007 From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:59:48 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: References: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003f01c80212$81f3bb00$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> I prefer Cherry Koolaid myself. -----Original Message----- From: ElliottCheney [mailto:elliottcheney at comcast.net] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:45 PM To: kandmcowan at earthlink.net; Ron Christensen; 'Iain Hueton'; 'Jeremiah Curry'; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? You can also carefully enlarge the bolt holes in the gasket with a home made punch. > The coefficent of expansion of copper is 17, steel is 11 (higher means > more expansion). So cooling the copper will "Shrink" it. Good idea > to put the gasket in the freezer. Here is the wikipedia website link > if you wish to learn more on thermal expansion. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_thermal_expansion > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Christensen >> Sent: Sep 28, 2007 10:32 AM >> To: 'Iain Hueton' , 'Jeremiah Curry' >> , owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net, >> bmcu at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? >> >> The gasket, being copper, is resistant to shrinkage. Only heating the block >> will work. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Iain Hueton [mailto:ihueton at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:14 AM >> To: Ron Christensen; Jeremiah Curry; owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; >> bmcu at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? >> >> could you throw the gasket in the freezer to shrink it down, slide >> over the bolts, and then let it warm up in place? >> Iain >> >> Iain Hueton >> www.toriandesigns.com >> 1804 Ross Drive >> Ogden, UT 84403 >> H 801-340-0049 >> email ihueton at yahoo.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Ron Christensen >> To: Jeremiah Curry ; >> owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:12:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? >> >> >> It is a common problem with all British cars . . . . block shrinkage. >> Take the engine out and warm it to 1000 degrees and the gasket should >> slide right on. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:20 PM >> To: owner-triumphs at Autox.Team.Net; bmcu at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? >> >> Howdy all, >> >> I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the first time since >> I got it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket on and found >> that the holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the holes >> studs. I figured the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered >> new ones. However after putting the new studs in I find the same >> problem, maybe a little less severe, but the same problem. I don't >> know if I can even get the gasket on without tearing it to pieces. >> >> Has anyone else seen this before or have any insight? >> >> thanks, >> Jeremiah >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which >> had a name of winmail.dat] >> _______________________________________________ >> Bmcu mailing list >> Bmcu at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >> _______________________________________________ >> Bmcu mailing list >> Bmcu at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu >> _______________________________________________ >> Bmcu mailing list >> Bmcu at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From ron.christensen at wsapr.com Fri Sep 28 15:02:10 2007 From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:02:10 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: <46FD0EDD.408.187E2FF@match.ece.utah.edu> References: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <46FD0EDD.408.187E2FF@match.ece.utah.edu> Message-ID: <004001c80212$d7c15e20$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> Or possibly the wrong car! I advise taking the gasket around like Prince Charming and see if he can find a head it will fit! -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of match at ece.utah.edu Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:26 PM To: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net; Bmcu at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Does it occure to nobody besides me that he has the wrong gasket? _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From ron.christensen at wsapr.com Fri Sep 28 15:10:39 2007 From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:10:39 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: <46FD0EDD.408.187E2FF@match.ece.utah.edu> References: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <46FD0EDD.408.187E2FF@match.ece.utah.edu> Message-ID: <004901c80214$05ec41b0$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> Additional advice from a BMC expert in LaVerne California: If heating the block does not result in proper fit of the head gasket you must re-heat it with more humidity, the previous heat may have been too dry. Failing that, you may just have to rent the block-stretcher from Moss Motors, Standard Motors Special Tool #E110576-BS. From ron.christensen at wsapr.com Fri Sep 28 15:36:42 2007 From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: <004901c80214$05ec41b0$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> References: <22771005.1191002891491.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <46FD0EDD.408.187E2FF@match.ece.utah.edu> <004901c80214$05ec41b0$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> Message-ID: <005601c80217$aab52240$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> More info from the LaVerne source: The problem with freezing the head gasket is that as it warms, it may pull the head studs in to the centre of the block again and the cylinder head will no longer fit over the studs. Check the block for taper, you may have to install the gasket and the cylinder head from the other side. -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Christensen Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:11 PM To: match at ece.utah.edu; bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net; Bmcu at autox.team.net Cc: Win Phelps Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? Additional advice from a BMC expert in LaVerne California: If heating the block does not result in proper fit of the head gasket you must re-heat it with more humidity, the previous heat may have been too dry. Failing that, you may just have to rent the block-stretcher from Moss Motors, Standard Motors Special Tool #E110576-BS. _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From bill_beecher at flash.net Sat Sep 29 00:09:29 2007 From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:09:29 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Best Book for TR Restorers? Message-ID: <20070929060852.5F91E187A00@autox.team.net> Am getting ready to embark on the restoration of the TR3, I am a fair mechanic and will do most of my own work over the coming year, except for paint & body. I have looked at MANY sites of cars during their restoration, most probably from folks on this list, is there a good book or document that you have found to be helpful just to be sure that everything gets checked off in the proper order? I have seen the book "How to restore a Triumph TR2-3A" by Roger Williams (forward by Bill Piggott), one review at Amazon complained about the lack of details. Any recommendations? Bill B '58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (rolling restoration) "A bad day in your TR just gives you license to go shopping on-line again!" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM From al_hope at xmission.com Sat Sep 29 09:49:03 2007 From: al_hope at xmission.com (Al & Hope) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:49:03 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Best Book for TR Restorers? References: <20070929060852.5F91E187A00@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001001c802b0$4386b360$0200a8c0@Compaq90905> I haven't done a really extensive restoration, but I've found the following to be helpful: Workshop Manual for the Triumph TR2, TR3 and TR3A Kenneth Ball Autopress LTD Triumph TR2,3,3A, 4&4A Owners Workshop Manual Haynes These may be hard to find. Good luck Al Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill beecher" To: "'list Triumph'" ; "'british-cars'" ; "'BCMU'" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:09 AM Subject: [Bmcu] Best Book for TR Restorers? > Am getting ready to embark on the restoration of the TR3, I am a fair > mechanic and will do most of my own work over the coming year, except for > paint & body. > > I have looked at MANY sites of cars during their restoration, most > probably > from folks on this list, is there a good book or document that you have > found to be helpful just to be sure that everything gets checked off in > the > proper order? > > I have seen the book "How to restore a Triumph TR2-3A" by Roger Williams > (forward by Bill Piggott), one review at Amazon complained about the lack > of > details. > > Any recommendations? > > Bill B > '58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (rolling restoration) > "A bad day in your TR just gives you license to go shopping on-line > again!" > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > 9/27/2007 > 5:00 PM > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From ron.christensen at wsapr.com Sat Sep 29 11:45:35 2007 From: ron.christensen at wsapr.com (Ron Christensen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:45:35 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Best Book for TR Restorers? In-Reply-To: <20070929060852.5F91E187A00@autox.team.net> References: <20070929060852.5F91E187A00@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000901c802c0$8a484e70$1800a8c0@WSAPR.local> Hopefully Mr. Williams addresses the dreaded block shrinkage problem in his book! -----Original Message----- From: bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:bmcu-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:09 AM To: 'list Triumph'; 'british-cars'; 'BCMU' Subject: [Bmcu] Best Book for TR Restorers? Am getting ready to embark on the restoration of the TR3, I am a fair mechanic and will do most of my own work over the coming year, except for paint & body. I have looked at MANY sites of cars during their restoration, most probably from folks on this list, is there a good book or document that you have found to be helpful just to be sure that everything gets checked off in the proper order? I have seen the book "How to restore a Triumph TR2-3A" by Roger Williams (forward by Bill Piggott), one review at Amazon complained about the lack of details. Any recommendations? Bill B '58 TR-3A TS/30766 L (rolling restoration) "A bad day in your TR just gives you license to go shopping on-line again!" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM _______________________________________________ Bmcu mailing list Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From jercurry at comcast.net Sat Sep 29 16:13:11 2007 From: jercurry at comcast.net (Jeremiah Curry) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:13:11 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? In-Reply-To: <338089.28415.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c802e5$ec88be10$6901a8c0@screamer> Yes the gasket is solid copper and yes the holes line up, they are just a few mm off. Trying to force it on leads to a mangles gasket. The idea of putting the gasket down and then putting the studs in the block sounds like the best bet, but your idea of using a file to shape the holes sounds promising as well. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a bigger problem. I am used to working on my newer audi, so things not lining up perfectly scares me. I forget manufacturing practices weren't always as percise as they are now. Thanks, Jeremiah -----Original Message----- From: Steven Abner [mailto:sabner at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:57 AM To: Jeremiah Curry Subject: Re: [Bmcu] 57 TR3 head studs not lined up? I've been reading all the traffic on the problem, and I'm confused. Is the gasket solid copper? Do all of the appropriate holes line up otherwise? Like the coolant holes and the cylinder profiles? If the everything else is hwere it needs to be, and the gasket is solid copper, it seems to mee a little time spent with a fine rat tail file would be the best fix. --- Jeremiah Curry wrote: > Howdy all, > > I am getting ready to put the head on my TR3 for the > first time since I got > it. A few weeks ago I went to put the head gasket > on and found that the > holes in the gasket didn't exactly line up with the > holes studs. I figured > the studs must be bent, so I stopped and ordered new > ones. However after > putting the new studs in I find the same problem, > maybe a little less > severe, but the same problem. I don't know if I can > even get the gasket on > without tearing it to pieces. > > Has anyone else seen this before or have any > insight? > > thanks, > Jeremiah > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Bmcu mailing list > Bmcu at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From alpine87fp at msn.com Sat Sep 29 19:19:40 2007 From: alpine87fp at msn.com (ROGER DAVIS) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:19:40 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Colour Tour update (Sunday 9/30) In-Reply-To: <46FA78F3.1080103@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: Gary, I washed the Alpine today before the rain/snow came. Jill and I are presently gathering our "snuggy" clothes in preparation for tomorrows tour. Our keyword is "layering." See you in the morning! Roger & Jill Davis ______________________________________________________________ From: Gary Lindstrom To: BMCU Membership Subject: [Bmcu] Colour Tour update (Sunday 9/30) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:21:23 -0600 >The Salt Lake Tribune is predicting partly cloudy, high of 71, low of 41 >for this Sunday. > >So, all systems are Go for the Fall Colour Tour. > >We'll rendezvous at 8:30am for a 9:00am departure at Hogle Zoo, as >described in http://www.britishmotorclub.org/2007/ColourTour9-30-07/ > >Don't forget warm clothes and a picnic lunch (or plan to buy one in >Kamas or Silver Creek Junction. > >--Gary > >p.s. There have been some construction stops on the upper Emigration >Canyon road throughout the summer, which we'll likely encounter, just >like we did on the Trappers Loop Run. I don't expect major delays, however. >_______________________________________________ >Bmcu mailing list >Bmcu at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/bmcu From gary at cs.utah.edu Sat Sep 29 19:56:22 2007 From: gary at cs.utah.edu (Gary Lindstrom) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:56:22 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Colour Tour update (Sunday 9/30) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FF0246.8030109@cs.utah.edu> Terrific, we're rolling tomorrow rain, shine, snow, sleet, hail, ... . Actually, the weather service is still forecasting sunny for tomorrow -- should be a great day. Cheers, --Gary ROGER DAVIS wrote: > Gary, > > I washed the Alpine today before the rain/snow came. Jill and I are > presently gathering our "snuggy" clothes in preparation for tomorrows > tour. Our keyword is "layering." > > See you in the morning! > > Roger & Jill Davis From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 30 11:11:59 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:11:59 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] Colour Tour update (Sunday 9/30) In-Reply-To: <46FF0246.8030109@cs.utah.edu> References: <46FF0246.8030109@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <46FFD8DF.2080803@bradakis.com> Yep, looks like it turned out to be a clear, sunny day. I imagine, though, the predominant color for this tour might be white ;-) I decided the clapped out, white squaretail Spit just wasn't up for such a long drive yet, so I wimped out. Shucks. mjb. From hegg at unabled.com Sun Sep 30 13:31:07 2007 From: hegg at unabled.com (Jeff) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:31:07 -0600 Subject: [Bmcu] A Load of TR7 Parts For Sale Message-ID: <46FFF97B.3040201@unabled.com> Greetings everyone - I've finally got around to finishing out some spring cleaning and have all of my TR7 parts collected. Since I no longer have a TR7, I've got to get rid of these parts. I really don't want to deal with the eBay hassle, so I thought I'd put them up here first. You can see the parts by heading to http://www.unabled.com and scrolling down to the TR7 Parts section. Or, if you like shortcuts, you can just go to http://unabled.com/tr7/. I don't have a price set on any of them - just have a look-see, email me with any questions, and make a reasonable offer. They're all in Farmington if you want to come by and inspect anything - just let me know and I'll give you my address. I work on 33rd South and 7th East if that's more convenient to you - let me know what you want me to bring in to inspect. Thanks for looking and hope y'all had a nice drive this morning! Jeff