From mjb at autox.team.net  Thu Jun 10 19:43:42 2010
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:43:42 -0600
Subject: [Autox] ALERT!
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Date: 	Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:57:10 -0700
From: 	H. Duck Allen <howduck at qwest.net>
To: 	
CC: 	



Helping out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350 was 
stolen last night in Manassas, VA.
 It's a white, crew cab F350 dually pickup with Kansas tags and SCCA 
stickers on the side windows.
 Contact Howard Duncan (hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after 
contacting the police, of course!) 

From PbPied at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 13:26:00 2010
From: PbPied at aol.com (PbPied at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:26:00 EDT
Subject: [Autox] Autox Digest, Vol 2, Issue 18
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nooooo!
 
 
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-------- Original Message  --------
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Date:   Thu, 10  Jun 2010 15:57:10 -0700
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To:     
CC:      



Helping out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350  was 
stolen last night in Manassas, VA.
It's a white, crew cab F350  dually pickup with Kansas tags and SCCA 
stickers on the side  windows.
Contact Howard Duncan (hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after  
contacting the police, of course!)  


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From greno at sunflower.com  Sat Jun 12 10:57:26 2010
From: greno at sunflower.com (Greg Reno)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:57:26 -0500
Subject: [Autox] Want to Buy
Message-ID: <7286495B-E93C-48DC-9879-1E242266056E@sunflower.com>

I'm looking for a set of 99 Miata wheels. Must be the 15x6, 5 spoke,  
in the cast aluminum finish...not the chrome.  I'm looking for a nice  
set, complete with center caps. Let me know if you have a set in the  
garage that you'd like to get rid of.


Greg Reno
greno at sunflower.com

From nokones at kenmitchell.com  Sat Jun 12 17:14:45 2010
From: nokones at kenmitchell.com (Kenneth Allan Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Autox] Autox Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19
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If the F350 was a C3500 and had On-Star they (On-Star & The Police) would
know where exactly the vehicle is once the stolen information is entered
into the Stolen Vehicle System.  It would automatically activate/alert
On-Star and they would be able to pinpoint the exact location of the
vehicle.

Kenneth Allan Mitchell
nokones at kenmitchell.com

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nooooo!
 
 
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-------- Original Message  --------
Subject:    [WtW] ALERT!
Date:   Thu, 10  Jun 2010 15:57:10 -0700
From:   H. Duck Allen  <howduck at qwest.net>
To:     
CC:      



Helping out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350  was 
stolen last night in Manassas, VA.
It's a white, crew cab F350  dually pickup with Kansas tags and SCCA 
stickers on the side  windows.
Contact Howard Duncan (hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after  
contacting the police, of course!)  


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:57:26 -0500
From: Greg Reno <greno at sunflower.com>
Subject: [Autox] Want to Buy
To: Wichita SCCA List <wichitascca at googlegroups.com>
Cc: "Team.net" <autox at autox.team.net>,	kansasAutox
	<Kansasautox at yahoogroups.com>
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I'm looking for a set of 99 Miata wheels. Must be the 15x6, 5 spoke,  
in the cast aluminum finish...not the chrome.  I'm looking for a nice  
set, complete with center caps. Let me know if you have a set in the  
garage that you'd like to get rid of.


Greg Reno
greno at sunflower.com


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From lollipop487 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 12 18:45:57 2010
From: lollipop487 at comcast.net (Pat Kelly)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:45:57 -0700
Subject: [Autox] Autox Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19
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Isn't On-Star a General Motors product? I think F350 is a Ford??
--Pat K

> From: "Kenneth Allan Mitchell" <nokones at kenmitchell.com>
> Reply-To: nokones at kenmitchell.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:14:45 -0700
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> Subject: Re: [Autox] Autox Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19
> 
> If the F350 was a C3500 and had On-Star they (On-Star & The Police) would
> know where exactly the vehicle is once the stolen information is entered
> into the Stolen Vehicle System.  It would automatically activate/alert
> On-Star and they would be able to pinpoint the exact location of the
> vehicle.
> 
> Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> nokones at kenmitchell.com
> 
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> -------- Original Message  --------
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> Date:   Thu, 10  Jun 2010 15:57:10 -0700
> From:   H. Duck Allen  <howduck at qwest.net>
> To:     
> CC:      
> 
> 
> 
> Helping out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350  was
> stolen last night in Manassas, VA.
> It's a white, crew cab F350  dually pickup with Kansas tags and SCCA
> stickers on the side  windows.
> Contact Howard Duncan (hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after
> contacting the police, of course!)
> 
> 
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> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:57:26 -0500
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> I'm looking for a set of 99 Miata wheels. Must be the 15x6, 5 spoke,
> in the cast aluminum finish...not the chrome.  I'm looking for a nice
> set, complete with center caps. Let me know if you have a set in the
> garage that you'd like to get rid of.
> 
> 
> Greg Reno
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From samandgreg at netins.net  Sat Jun 12 18:52:33 2010
From: samandgreg at netins.net (Greg)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:52:33 -0500
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
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So nobody would ever be able to successfully steal my 08 
Chevrolet?  Seems difficult to believe.

Greg S.
Yellow 08 (with On-Star deactivated because I didn't pay for it.)

At 06:14 PM 6/12/2010, Kenneth Allan Mitchell wrote:
>If the F350 was a C3500 and had On-Star they (On-Star & The Police) would
>know where exactly the vehicle is once the stolen information is entered
>into the Stolen Vehicle System.  It would automatically activate/alert
>On-Star and they would be able to pinpoint the exact location of the
>vehicle.
>
>Kenneth Allan Mitchell
>nokones at kenmitchell.com

From tr6nut at verizon.net  Sat Jun 12 18:12:33 2010
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:12:33 -0400
Subject: [Autox] Autox Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19
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On 6/12/2010 07:14, Kenneth Allan Mitchell wrote:
> If the F350 was a C3500 and had On-Star they (On-Star&  The Police) would
> know where exactly the vehicle is once the stolen information is entered
> into the Stolen Vehicle System.  It would automatically activate/alert
> On-Star and they would be able to pinpoint the exact location of the
> vehicle.
>
>    


If you have Lo-jack installed I believe it will do the same thing... and 
you don't have to buy a Government Motors product.

From nokones at kenmitchell.com  Sun Jun 13 08:26:36 2010
From: nokones at kenmitchell.com (Kenneth Allan Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 07:26:36 -0700
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
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I just reread my previous posting on this subject.  I'm not seeing where I
said it would "NEVER" be stolen.  On-Star can't prevent but it can deter.
But I did say if it was stolen it'll be immediately located and if the
suspect is with the vehicle he'll/she will immediately be in-custody.

LoJack is another system that works Ok but not as well as On-Star.  LoJack
requires a equipped Police Car be in the immediate area of the stolen
vehicle with a LoJack transponder and then home in on the emitting signal
after it is activated by the Stolen Vehicle System (SVS).

I know of two successful recent incidents where On-Star immediately cause
the apprehension of criminals in the act.

The first one was kinda amazing/exciting.  This guy buys a car equipped with
On-Star from a private party.  This guy did not activate the On-Star service
and I do not know if the previous owner activated the service or not,
however, the current owner owned the vehicle for approx. a year.  This guy
runs into some financial problems and decides to take the car to his
friend's automotive shop, which has been suspected of being a chop shop, and
starts to dismantle the vehicle to sell the parts.  This guy reports the car
stolen.  The VIN is entered into the SVS and within a couple of minutes
Police Dispatch, in the same City, after entering the vehicle into SVS gets
a call from an On-Star operator reporting the activation and the location of
the stolen car.

Units respond, locate the car, shop dudes, and the owner of the car that was
reported stolen, were all that the shop.  After realizing the vehicle owner
was also at the shop, everyone went to jail.  It was an Insurance Fraud
case.

The second incident, a car owner with an On-Star equipped vehicle reports
his vehicle stolen to his local Police.  His local Police takes the report
and enters the vehicle into the SVS.  SVS automatically activates the
On-Star and On-Star locates the vehicle near a City 26 miles north from the
City where the vehicle was originally stolen, and the stolen vehicle is in
motion.

On-Star calls the City where the vehicle is near and the Police locates the
vehicle leaving their City.  The pursuit is on.  The pursuit is terminated
and two suspects taken into custody and to jail.  More outstanding police
work and an excellent example how well On-Star works.

Another excellent example is the Airbag deployment activation feature, where
an On=Star equipped vehicle crashed in a rural area with very low traffic.
Vehicle runs off the road and over the side.  Vehicle has a frontal
collision with a fixed object to cause the airbag deployment.  On-Star is
notified and On-Star notifies the Police, and two lives saved.

Another neat On-Star feature is when you are the race track (Thunder Hill)
and you leave your keys in the glove box and your sweetheart has her purse
in the car, and she goes into your truck to get something, and locks the
doors so her purse doesn't get stolen.  Of course your cell phone is in the
locked vehicle so you go to the pay phone in the club house and call
On-Star, walla your doors are remotely unlocked.  Kinda cool.

Of course, you can only get this on a GM vehicle and that was my point if
SCCA bought a C3500 instead a F350 they could have had the On-Star system
thus have their truck back by now.  Yes, a C3500 is a GM vehicle and not a
Ford product.  

Also, I believe the GM vehicles have a factory anti-theft system and the
keys are coded keys thus, the vehicle cannot start unless you have the coded
key in the ignition.  I'm not sure if the Ford trucks have any electronic or
anti-theft technology for their vehicles like the GM vehicles.  

I'm not a Ford person so I'll leave that question to a Ford person.

Kenneth Allan Mitchell
nokones at kenmitchell.com

-----Original Message-----
From: autox-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:autox-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 17:53
To: nokones at kenmitchell.com; autox at autox.team.net
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?

So nobody would ever be able to successfully steal my 08 
Chevrolet?  Seems difficult to believe.

Greg S.
Yellow 08 (with On-Star deactivated because I didn't pay for it.)

At 06:14 PM 6/12/2010, Kenneth Allan Mitchell wrote:
>If the F350 was a C3500 and had On-Star they (On-Star & The Police) would
>know where exactly the vehicle is once the stolen information is entered
>into the Stolen Vehicle System.  It would automatically activate/alert
>On-Star and they would be able to pinpoint the exact location of the
>vehicle.
>
>Kenneth Allan Mitchell
>nokones at kenmitchell.com
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From jlieberman37 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 13 17:09:31 2010
From: jlieberman37 at comcast.net (John Lieberman)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:09:31 -0500
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb0b04$6eb4d2b0$4c1e7810$@com>
References: <mailman.37.1276365604.22607.autox@autox.team.net>
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	<000c01cb0b04$6eb4d2b0$4c1e7810$@com>
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Ford trucks have this, too,  I had a duplicate key made for my '03 F150 
shortly after I bought it -- only to find that it would unlock the doors 
and the tailgate but it wouldn't start the truck.

John Lieberman


Kenneth Allan Mitchell wrote:
> Also, I believe the GM vehicles have a factory anti-theft system and the
> keys are coded keys thus, the vehicle cannot start unless you have the coded
> key in the ignition.  I'm not sure if the Ford trucks have any electronic or
> anti-theft technology for their vehicles like the GM vehicles.  
>
> I'm not a Ford person so I'll leave that question to a Ford person.
>
> Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> nokones at kenmitchell.com

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 13 18:01:56 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:01:56 -0600
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb0b04$6eb4d2b0$4c1e7810$@com>
References: <mailman.37.1276365604.22607.autox@autox.team.net>
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	<000c01cb0b04$6eb4d2b0$4c1e7810$@com>
Message-ID: <4C157174.2010604@bradakis.com>

I can't recall where I heard or read the story, but OnStar may make it
easier for some folks to steal your car.  Apparently some guys hacked
into the system and from their computers were able to do things like
apply the brakes, shut off the motor and such to random vehicles.

So someone might be able to remotely unlock your doors, start your
engine, and drive away.  Well, except for perhaps a physical interlock
on the transmission that keeps it from being put in gear without a
key.

The wonders of modern technology.

Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.

Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

mjb.

From nokones at kenmitchell.com  Mon Jun 14 07:13:56 2010
From: nokones at kenmitchell.com (Kenneth Allan Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
In-Reply-To: <4C15652B.5060005@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.37.1276365604.22607.autox@autox.team.net>
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	<auto-002136035894@cgpf2.cgp.netins.net>
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Message-ID: <002a01cb0bc3$71ea9b80$55bfd280$@com>

Then my question is:  How did they steal the truck? Did someone leave the
key in the ignition?  If the Fords have an anti-theft system like the GM
trucks how did the thieves were able to start the vehicle and drive it off?
Either they had the appropriate key or it was towed. Hotwired, I doubt it.



Kenneth Allan Mitchell
nokones at kenmitchell.com

-----Original Message-----
From: John Lieberman [mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 16:10
To: nokones at kenmitchell.com
Cc: 'Greg'; autox at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?

Ford trucks have this, too,  I had a duplicate key made for my '03 F150 
shortly after I bought it -- only to find that it would unlock the doors 
and the tailgate but it wouldn't start the truck.

John Lieberman


Kenneth Allan Mitchell wrote:
> Also, I believe the GM vehicles have a factory anti-theft system and the
> keys are coded keys thus, the vehicle cannot start unless you have the
coded
> key in the ignition.  I'm not sure if the Ford trucks have any electronic
or
> anti-theft technology for their vehicles like the GM vehicles.  
>
> I'm not a Ford person so I'll leave that question to a Ford person.
>
> Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> nokones at kenmitchell.com

From tom at sth2.com  Mon Jun 14 08:25:32 2010
From: tom at sth2.com (Tom Holt)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:25:32 -0500
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
In-Reply-To: <002a01cb0bc3$71ea9b80$55bfd280$@com>
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	<002a01cb0bc3$71ea9b80$55bfd280$@com>
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I'm not sure what year the Solo truck was, but Ford was insanely slow about 
adding any sort of theft protection to the SuperDuty trucks. They are the 
number one stolen vehicle in Texas these days, for use in human smuggling 
from Mexico. We've had about 5 stolen from my work parking lot in Austin. I 
believe Ford didn't add chipped keys until about 2007 or 2008, and the door 
locks are laughably easy to defeat... My F250 stays home a lot more now.

Tom


---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Kenneth Allan Mitchell" <nokones at kenmitchell.com>
To: "'John Lieberman'" <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
Cc: autox at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:13:56 -0700
Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?

> Then my question is:  How did they steal the truck? Did someone leave the
> key in the ignition?  If the Fords have an anti-theft system like the GM
> trucks how did the thieves were able to start the vehicle and drive it off?
> Either they had the appropriate key or it was towed. Hotwired, I doubt it.
> 
> Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> nokones at kenmitchell.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Lieberman [mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 16:10
> To: nokones at kenmitchell.com
> Cc: 'Greg'; autox at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
> 
> Ford trucks have this, too,  I had a duplicate key made for my '03 F150 
> shortly after I bought it -- only to find that it would unlock the doors 
> and the tailgate but it wouldn't start the truck.
> 
> John Lieberman
> 
> Kenneth Allan Mitchell wrote:
> > Also, I believe the GM vehicles have a factory anti-theft system and the
> > keys are coded keys thus, the vehicle cannot start unless you have the
> coded
> > key in the ignition.  I'm not sure if the Ford trucks have any electronic
> or
> > anti-theft technology for their vehicles like the GM vehicles.  
> >
> > I'm not a Ford person so I'll leave that question to a Ford person.
> >
> > Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> > nokones at kenmitchell.com
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From jigou at raquet.net  Mon Jun 14 10:48:08 2010
From: jigou at raquet.net (Jarrod Igou)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:48:08 -0500
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
In-Reply-To: <20100614141936.M28000@sth2.com>
References: <mailman.37.1276365604.22607.autox@autox.team.net>,
	<002a01cb0bc3$71ea9b80$55bfd280$@com>,
	<20100614141936.M28000@sth2.com>
Message-ID: <4C165D48.6177.53D39EF@jigou.raquet.net>

My 2003 Excursion had a chip in the key. The door locks are indeed an issue, though.

And Greg S, I'll be happy to stop by and work on stealing that yellow Chevy.  :-)

Jarrod


On 14 Jun 2010 at 9:25, Tom Holt wrote:

> I'm not sure what year the Solo truck was, but Ford was insanely slow about 
> adding any sort of theft protection to the SuperDuty trucks. They are the 
> number one stolen vehicle in Texas these days, for use in human smuggling 
> from Mexico. We've had about 5 stolen from my work parking lot in Austin. I 
> believe Ford didn't add chipped keys until about 2007 or 2008, and the door 
> locks are laughably easy to defeat... My F250 stays home a lot more now.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Kenneth Allan Mitchell" <nokones at kenmitchell.com>
> To: "'John Lieberman'" <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
> Cc: autox at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:13:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
> 
> > Then my question is:  How did they steal the truck? Did someone leave the
> > key in the ignition?  If the Fords have an anti-theft system like the GM
> > trucks how did the thieves were able to start the vehicle and drive it off?
> > Either they had the appropriate key or it was towed. Hotwired, I doubt it.
> > 
> > Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> > nokones at kenmitchell.com
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Lieberman [mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net] 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 16:10
> > To: nokones at kenmitchell.com
> > Cc: 'Greg'; autox at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
> > 
> > Ford trucks have this, too,  I had a duplicate key made for my '03 F150 
> > shortly after I bought it -- only to find that it would unlock the doors 
> > and the tailgate but it wouldn't start the truck.
> > 
> > John Lieberman
> > 
> > Kenneth Allan Mitchell wrote:
> > > Also, I believe the GM vehicles have a factory anti-theft system and the
> > > keys are coded keys thus, the vehicle cannot start unless you have the
> > coded
> > > key in the ignition.  I'm not sure if the Ford trucks have any electronic
> > or
> > > anti-theft technology for their vehicles like the GM vehicles.  
> > >
> > > I'm not a Ford person so I'll leave that question to a Ford person.
> > >
> > > Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> > > nokones at kenmitchell.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
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From tom at sth2.com  Mon Jun 14 12:54:00 2010
From: tom at sth2.com (Tom Holt)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:54:00 -0500
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
In-Reply-To: <4C165D48.6177.53D39EF@jigou.raquet.net>
References: <mailman.37.1276365604.22607.autox@autox.team.net>,
	<002a01cb0bc3$71ea9b80$55bfd280$@com>,
	<20100614141936.M28000@sth2.com>
	<4C165D48.6177.53D39EF@jigou.raquet.net>
Message-ID: <20100614184724.M35091@sth2.com>

There were apparantly some exceptions like the Excursion and Harley trucks, 
but the rest of the super duty pickups did not get the chip until 2008. 
dumb, but true. I know my bosses '05 King ranch did not have a chipped key 
when it was stolen, nor did the other 4 F250/350s, The only truck in the 
outer boundaries of the parking to go untouched was the lone Harley F250.

If you have an F250 in this part of the country you better install a kill 
switch and/or be very careful where you park it.

Tom



---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Jarrod Igou" <jigou at raquet.net>
To: autox at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:48:08 -0500
Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?

> My 2003 Excursion had a chip in the key. The door locks are indeed an 
issue, though.
> 
> And Greg S, I'll be happy to stop by and work on stealing that yellow 
Chevy.  :-)
> 
> Jarrod
> 
> On 14 Jun 2010 at 9:25, Tom Holt wrote:
> 
> > I'm not sure what year the Solo truck was, but Ford was insanely slow 
about 
> > adding any sort of theft protection to the SuperDuty trucks. They are 
the 
> > number one stolen vehicle in Texas these days, for use in human 
smuggling 
> > from Mexico. We've had about 5 stolen from my work parking lot in 
Austin. I 
> > believe Ford didn't add chipped keys until about 2007 or 2008, and the 
door 
> > locks are laughably easy to defeat... My F250 stays home a lot more now.
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > 
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: "Kenneth Allan Mitchell" <nokones at kenmitchell.com>
> > To: "'John Lieberman'" <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
> > Cc: autox at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:13:56 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
> > 
> > > Then my question is:  How did they steal the truck? Did someone leave 
the
> > > key in the ignition?  If the Fords have an anti-theft system like the 
GM
> > > trucks how did the thieves were able to start the vehicle and drive it 
off?
> > > Either they had the appropriate key or it was towed. Hotwired, I doubt 
it.
> > > 
> > > Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> > > nokones at kenmitchell.com
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Lieberman [mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net] 
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 16:10
> > > To: nokones at kenmitchell.com
> > > Cc: 'Greg'; autox at autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
> > > 
> > > Ford trucks have this, too,  I had a duplicate key made for my '03 
F150 
> > > shortly after I bought it -- only to find that it would unlock the 
doors 
> > > and the tailgate but it wouldn't start the truck.
> > > 
> > > John Lieberman
> > > 
> > > Kenneth Allan Mitchell wrote:
> > > > Also, I believe the GM vehicles have a factory anti-theft system and 
the
> > > > keys are coded keys thus, the vehicle cannot start unless you have 
the
> > > coded
> > > > key in the ignition.  I'm not sure if the Ford trucks have any 
electronic
> > > or
> > > > anti-theft technology for their vehicles like the GM vehicles.  
> > > >
> > > > I'm not a Ford person so I'll leave that question to a Ford person.
> > > >
> > > > Kenneth Allan Mitchell
> > > > nokones at kenmitchell.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 
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From samandgreg at netins.net  Mon Jun 14 14:23:16 2010
From: samandgreg at netins.net (Greg)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:23:16 -0500
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
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/HA9e1s: Permission denied

From pethier at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 22:20:49 2010
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:20:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
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----- "Greg" <samandgreg at netins.net> wrote:

> From: "Greg" <samandgreg at netins.net>
> To: autox at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:23:16 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
>
> /HA9e1s: Permission denied

Cracks me up to see this in a thread about security!

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
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From bfetch at tpg.com  Wed Jun 16 15:01:28 2010
From: bfetch at tpg.com (Fetch, Brandon)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:01:28 -0500
Subject: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?
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That was an aftermarket add-on device that a lot of tote-the-note lots are
using.  In an effort to ensure their vehicles are repossessed in salable
condition they install a device that interfaces directly with the PCM of the
car.

Via a web interface, they can then locate the vehicle and apply whatever
controls are available to them through the PCM.

I believe it was an Austin, TX incident where a disgruntled former employee of
a lot used his still-valid credentials to access the website and begin to play
havoc with the lot's customer's cars.

Bad juju and a prime example of having an "employee termination" procedure.

-----Original Message-----
From: autox-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:autox-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 8:02 PM
To: autox at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?

I can't recall where I heard or read the story, but OnStar may make it
easier for some folks to steal your car.  Apparently some guys hacked
into the system and from their computers were able to do things like
apply the brakes, shut off the motor and such to random vehicles.

So someone might be able to remotely unlock your doors, start your
engine, and drive away.  Well, except for perhaps a physical interlock
on the transmission that keeps it from being put in gear without a
key.

The wonders of modern technology.

Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.

Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

mjb.
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From bfetch at tpg.com  Wed Jun 16 15:03:07 2010
From: bfetch at tpg.com (Fetch, Brandon)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:03:07 -0500
Subject: [Autox] Want to Buy
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Not to pimp a vendor or place but Planet Miata might be able to assist.

He does Miata dismantling for preparation into Spec Miata racecars.

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I'm looking for a set of 99 Miata wheels. Must be the 15x6, 5 spoke,
in the cast aluminum finish...not the chrome.  I'm looking for a nice
set, complete with center caps. Let me know if you have a set in the
garage that you'd like to get rid of.


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From lhheston at netscape.net  Thu Jun 17 21:43:13 2010
From: lhheston at netscape.net (Lonnie Heston)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:43:13 -0400
Subject: [Autox] Autox Digest, Vol 2, Issue 23
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Mark, I think you saw an article wherein 2 college professors hacked the
onboard car computer, but controlling that car required having another
computer - a PC - onboard, connected to the OBD port.  They did all this
without help from the manufacturer, or any prior software knowledge of car
computer or networks.  They demonstrated they could turn on and off the
lights, change heater settings, alter the radio, kill the engine  - regardless
of switch position - and scariest of all - prevent the brakes from working.
See the computer geek magazine articles...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/196293/car_hackers_can_kill_brakes_engine_and_
more.html

or

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/051410-car-hackers-can-kill-brakes.html
?source=nww_rss






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From: "Fetch, Brandon" <bfetch at tpg.com>

Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?

To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>, "autox at autox.team.net"

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That was an aftermarket add-on device that a lot of tote-the-note lots are
using.  In an effort to ensure their vehicles are repossessed in salable
condition they install a device that interfaces directly with the PCM of the
car.

Via a web interface, they can then locate the vehicle and apply whatever
controls are available to them through the PCM.

I believe it was an Austin, TX incident where a disgruntled former employee
of
a lot used his still-valid credentials to access the website and begin to
play
havoc with the lot's customer's cars.

Bad juju and a prime example of having an "employee termination" procedure.

-----Original Message-----

From: autox-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:autox-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 8:02 PM

To: autox at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Autox] On-Star makes car theft impossible?

I can't recall where I heard or read the story, but OnStar may make it
easier for some folks to steal your car.  Apparently some guys hacked
into the system and from their computers were able to do things like
apply the brakes, shut off the motor and such to random vehicles.

So someone might be able to remotely unlock your doors, start your
engine, and drive away.  Well, except for perhaps a physical interlock
on the transmission that keeps it from being put in gear without a
key.

The wonders of modern technology.

Resistance is futile.

You will be assimilated.

Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

mjb.