From george.ryan at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 1 13:50:20 2010 From: george.ryan at sbcglobal.net (George Ryan) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:50:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers Message-ID: <304431.16385.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Time to update and re-supply. It's been years since I bought any cones but I remember that there once was a supplier on team.net that sold cones to autocrossers. Somehow in my move from Oklahoma to Colorado I have lost that contact number. Does anybody have a supplier that would be interested in selling 150 to 200 cones for a good price? Also need to get rid of this antique timer. Looking for the best, most user friendly timer/program available (would be especially nice if it were to have registration included). I saw a timer that was wireless from the lights to the bus - - that was awesome! Would also like to find a display (wireless?) to place at the finish, I have the computer direct wired to the display on the bus now, but only spectators can see the numbers, I need one for the competitors to see their times after their run. Suggestions or ideas?? From dennis at raceamerica.com Mon Feb 1 14:14:38 2010 From: dennis at raceamerica.com (Dennis Laczny) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:14:38 -0800 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <304431.16385.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <304431.16385.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20100201131223.03f812f0@raceamerica.com> George, RaceAmerica provides the wireless timing systems and displays for autocross. I can provide a quotation for the timing system as well as the wireless display if I can get an idea of the size of display digits or the distance from the crowd. Regards, Dennis Laczny RaceAmerica Corporation The Leader in Event Critical Timing Electronics (408) 988-6188 www.raceamerica.com At 12:50 PM 2/1/2010, George Ryan wrote: >Time to update and re-supply. It's been years since I bought any cones but >I remember that there once was a supplier on team.net that sold cones to >autocrossers. Somehow in my move from Oklahoma to Colorado I have lost that >contact number. Does anybody have a supplier that would be interested in >selling 150 to 200 cones for a good price? > >Also need to get rid of this antique timer. Looking for the best, most user >friendly timer/program available (would be especially nice if it were to have >registration included). I saw a timer that was wireless from the lights to the >bus - - that was awesome! > >Would also like to find a display (wireless?) to place at the finish, I have >the computer direct wired to the display on the bus now, but only spectators >can see the numbers, I need one for the competitors to see their times after >their run. > >Suggestions or ideas?? > > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Autox mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > >http://www.team.net/archive > >You are subscribed as dennis at raceamerica.com From greendot1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 14:18:55 2010 From: greendot1 at comcast.net (Bruce & Mary Wentzel) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20100201131223.03f812f0@raceamerica.com> Message-ID: <1057578984.1470001265059135798.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You may be thinking of Glenn Duensing as the cone supplier. He recently passed away so no help there. Not to knock anything, but many of us do not like the RaceAmerica displays as they are hard to read outdoors, although IB think somebody mentioned they have been recently improved. I'm sure that Dennis will let us know.B :-) The old Chronmix was great for visibility, but is no longer available. JACircuits has the timer of choice and is developing a new model with improved features that I am not capable of enumerating for you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Laczny" To: "George Ryan" Cc: autox at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:14:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers George, RaceAmerica provides the wireless timing systems and displays for autocross. B I can provide a quotation for the timing system as well as the wireless display if I can get an idea of the size of display digits or the distance from the crowd. Regards, Dennis Laczny RaceAmerica Corporation The Leader in Event Critical Timing Electronics (408) 988-6188 www.raceamerica.com At 12:50 PM 2/1/2010, George Ryan wrote: >Time to update and re-supply. It's been years since I bought any cones but >I remember that there once was a supplier on team.net that sold cones to >autocrossers. Somehow in my move from Oklahoma to Colorado I have lost that >contact number. Does anybody have a supplier that would be interested in >selling 150 to 200 cones for a good price? > >Also need to get rid of this antique timer. Looking for the best, most user >friendly timer/program available (would be especially nice if it were to have >registration included). I saw a timer that was wireless from the lights to the >bus - - that was awesome! > >Would also like to find a display (wireless?) to place at the finish, I have >the computer direct wired to the display on the bus now, but only spectators >can see the numbers, I need one for the competitors to see their times after >their run. > >Suggestions or ideas?? > > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Autox mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > >http://www.team.net/archive > >You are subscribed as dennis at raceamerica.com Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as greendot1 at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Feb 1 18:20:39 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 19:20:39 -0600 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers References: <304431.16385.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Get the cones from SCCA. $105 for a box of 20. Go to www.scca.com, log in, click on "merchandise" and go to the "Region Merchandise Order Form." It's on Pg. 2 under race supplies. And yeah, a JACircuits timer. They also have displays that interface with the timer. Nice yellow-on-black -- much easier to read. Red-on-black is difficult to see from any distance. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ryan" To: Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:50 PM Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers > Time to update and re-supply. It's been years since I bought any cones but > I remember that there once was a supplier on team.net that sold cones to > autocrossers. Somehow in my move from Oklahoma to Colorado I have lost > that > contact number. Does anybody have a supplier that would be interested in > selling 150 to 200 cones for a good price? > > Also need to get rid of this antique timer. Looking for the best, most > user > friendly timer/program available (would be especially nice if it were to > have > registration included). I saw a timer that was wireless from the lights to > the > bus - - that was awesome! > > Would also like to find a display (wireless?) to place at the finish, I > have > the computer direct wired to the display on the bus now, but only > spectators > can see the numbers, I need one for the competitors to see their times > after > their run. > > Suggestions or ideas?? > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com From pethier at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 22:25:20 2010 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1622924101.1916281265088320213.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > Get the cones from SCCA. $105 for a box of 20. Still annoys me that this has made the 18" pylon the standard. 12" pylons are cheaper, easier to handle and store, and don't beat on the cars as hard. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UB "uncle jack" 1979 Caterham 7 1994 Miata C-package 2004 Suburban 8.1 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From samandgreg at netins.net Tue Feb 2 08:04:16 2010 From: samandgreg at netins.net (Greg) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:04:16 -0600 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <1622924101.1916281265088320213.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emery ville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1622924101.1916281265088320213.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You wouldn't believe what they do to the front wing on an Atlantic at 60 mph. Pray for SPRING! Greg Scharnberg Ralt RT5 At 11:25 PM 2/1/2010, pethier at comcast.net wrote: >----- "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > > Get the cones from SCCA. $105 for a box of 20. > >Still annoys me that this has made the 18" pylon the standard. 12" >pylons are cheaper, easier to handle and store, and don't beat on >the cars as hard. > >Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA From lorenzoscribe at hotmail.com Tue Feb 2 05:59:37 2010 From: lorenzoscribe at hotmail.com (Larry Steckel) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:59:37 -0500 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <1622924101.1916281265088320213.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: , <1622924101.1916281265088320213.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: To my mind, a 12 inch cone is simply too short to see at speed. (yea I know we aren't supposed to hit them) and a 24 inch cone is way too tall except for start stop gates to differentiate them from regular gates. And they really hurt when crunched. 18 inch cones are just about the right size to be seen against the pavement from in the car yet still small enough to not hurt anything underneath if you whack one. Larry Steckel > Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:25:20 +0000 > From: pethier at comcast.net > To: rocky at spitfire4.com > CC: george.ryan at sbcglobal.net; autox at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers > > ----- "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > > Get the cones from SCCA. $105 for a box of 20. > > Still annoys me that this has made the 18" pylon the standard. 12" pylons are cheaper, easier to handle and store, and don't beat on the cars as hard. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UB "uncle jack" > 1979 Caterham 7 > 1994 Miata C-package > 2004 Suburban 8.1 > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.triumphtransamerica.org > http://www.mnautox.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as lorenzoscribe at hotmail.com From pethier at comcast.net Tue Feb 2 12:08:23 2010 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1346199311.2123801265137703738.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > From: "Larry Steckel" > To my mind, a 12 inch cone is simply too short to see at speed. I don't agree. In fact, from the perspective of a low car like a Seven or a formula car, a lot full of 12" cones is a easier to read than a lot full of 18" cones. The taller the cones, thicker the forest. Best cones we ever had were some 12" soft yellow ones that were molded out of what seemed like pencil erasers. These suckers would roll under a car and pop out the other side with no damage to either. I agree with my son Alan that the solid-base cones ought not be allowed on an autocross course. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UB "uncle jack" 1979 Caterham 7 1994 Miata C-package 2004 Suburban 8.1 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From free2000 at quixnet.net Tue Feb 2 12:14:00 2010 From: free2000 at quixnet.net (Rick Brown) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:14:00 -0800 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: References: <1622924101.1916281265088320213.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B687978.7050204@quixnet.net> Try hitting one in a kart, especially if it gets stuck underneath and you suddenly have no steering! Rick Brown F125 Greg wrote: > You wouldn't believe what they do to the front wing on an Atlantic at > 60 mph. > > Pray for SPRING! > > Greg Scharnberg > Ralt RT5 > > At 11:25 PM 2/1/2010, pethier at comcast.net wrote: >> ----- "Rocky Entriken" wrote: >> > Get the cones from SCCA. $105 for a box of 20. >> >> Still annoys me that this has made the 18" pylon the standard. 12" >> pylons are cheaper, easier to handle and store, and don't beat on the >> cars as hard. >> >> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as free2000 at quixnet.net From jamesh220 at comcast.net Tue Feb 2 12:53:58 2010 From: jamesh220 at comcast.net (JH) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <1346199311.2123801265137703738.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2117679070.2180681265140438543.JavaMail.root@sz0077a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I saw some Harbour Freight cones yesterday for about $4.99 each that were teh 18" size but lighter bases and thinner material for the cone.B Neat and cheap but I think these lightweight cones would be hard to stay put on windy days or when an A-Mod car with big wings go by too quickly. I too think the 12" cones are sufficient and less prone to being knocked over in high wind conditions.B They are also easier to store and easier to carry when the event is over. I've driven karts to fender cars over the years and the 12" cones are plenty visible.B I think it should be proposed as a new standard. Jim Harn ----- Original Message ----- From: pethier at comcast.net To: "Larry Steckel" Cc: "george ryan" , "Team.Net Autocross" Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 1:08:23 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers > From: "Larry Steckel" > To my mind, a 12 inch cone is simply too short to see at speed. I don't agree. B In fact, from the perspective of a low car like a Seven or a formula car, a lot full of 12" cones is a easier to read than a lot full of 18" cones. B The taller the cones, thicker the forest. Best cones we ever had were some 12" soft yellow ones that were molded out of what seemed like pencil erasers. B These suckers would roll under a car and pop out the other side with no damage to either. I agree with my son Alan that the solid-base cones ought not be allowed on an autocross course. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UB "uncle jack" 1979 Caterham 7 1994 Miata C-package 2004 Suburban 8.1 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jamesh220 at comcast.net From k4cay.chuck at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 13:24:00 2010 From: k4cay.chuck at gmail.com (Charles Schultz) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:24:00 -0600 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <4B687978.7050204@quixnet.net> References: <1622924101.1916281265088320213.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4B687978.7050204@quixnet.net> Message-ID: <6fcec12d1002021224u7c2eaedenf58407a3eac980b8@mail.gmail.com> I've seen an F440 do that. Once the first cone got under a tire, it looked like a corn harvester scooping up the cones. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Rick Brown wrote: > Try hitting one in a kart, especially if it gets stuck underneath and you > suddenly have no steering! From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Feb 2 14:06:41 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:06:41 -0600 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers References: <2117679070.2180681265140438543.JavaMail.root@sz0077a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I never thought much about it. I always kinda liked the 18" cones. Easier to see, etc, etc, yada, yada. Then at our November event I center-punched one, as I've done so many times before over the years. There was no missing the sucker, so floor it, nail it, and keep going. And I managed to rip my oil cooler off! :-O Never done THAT before! Thank goodness for my Accusump! --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "JH" To: Cc: "Team.Net Autocross" Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers >I saw some Harbour Freight cones yesterday for about $4.99 each that were >teh > 18" size but lighter bases and thinner material for the cone.B Neat and > cheap > but I think these lightweight cones would be hard to stay put on windy > days or > when an A-Mod car with big wings go by too quickly. > > > > I too think the 12" cones are sufficient and less prone to being knocked > over > in high wind conditions.B They are also easier to store and easier to > carry > when the event is over. > > > > I've driven karts to fender cars over the years and the 12" cones are > plenty > visible.B I think it should be proposed as a new standard. > > > > Jim Harn > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pethier at comcast.net > To: "Larry Steckel" > Cc: "george ryan" , "Team.Net Autocross" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 1:08:23 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers > >> From: "Larry Steckel" >> To my mind, a 12 inch cone is simply too short to see at speed. > > I don't agree. B In fact, from the perspective of a low car like a Seven > or a > formula car, a lot full of 12" cones is a easier to read than a lot full > of > 18" cones. B The taller the cones, thicker the forest. > > Best cones we ever had were some 12" soft yellow ones that were molded out > of > what seemed like pencil erasers. B These suckers would roll under a car > and > pop out the other side with no damage to either. > > I agree with my son Alan that the solid-base cones ought not be allowed on > an > autocross course. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UB "uncle jack" > 1979 Caterham 7 > 1994 Miata C-package > 2004 Suburban 8.1 > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net From dennis at raceamerica.com Tue Feb 2 15:45:13 2010 From: dennis at raceamerica.com (Dennis Laczny) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:45:13 -0800 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <1057578984.1470001265059135798.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emery ville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20100201131223.03f812f0@raceamerica.com> <1057578984.1470001265059135798.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20100202143547.043022e8@raceamerica.com> Yes, we have updated the LEDs to the latest technology ultra-brights. Part of the issue with brightness is the AC Adapter is replaced by a less expensive Radio Shack unit that is not regulated and offers lower voltage causing a big brightness difference. One of the new enhancements we added to the displays is programatic brightness dimming control to tone down the brightness. The problem with the mechanical Chronoimx displays was the segemnts would stick as they aged or when dirt and moisture got inside. And the cost of the dispaly was not cheap! I am surprised to hear the comment on the JAC timer of choice as the Timer AC4 has been greatly outselling the JAC for the past 5 years and now offers the latest 3850 model with a number of new features. George, good luck in your search, let me know if I can be of any assitance. Regards, Dennis Laczny RaceAmerica Corporation The Leader in Event Critical Timing Electronics (408) 988-6188 www.raceamerica.com >Not to knock anything, but many of us do not like the RaceAmerica displays as >they are hard to read outdoors, although IB think somebody mentioned they have >been recently improved. I'm sure that Dennis will let us know.B :-) > >The old Chronmix was great for visibility, but is no longer available. > >JACircuits has the timer of choice and is developing a new model with improved >features that I am not capable of enumerating for you. > >Bruce From free2000 at quixnet.net Tue Feb 2 16:40:42 2010 From: free2000 at quixnet.net (Rick Brown) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:40:42 -0800 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <1057578984.1470001265059135798.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1057578984.1470001265059135798.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B68B7FA.3070504@quixnet.net> Source for Chronomix replacement parts: __http://www.flipdigitnumerals.com/_ _We (Cal Club) have had very little trouble with our Chronomix displays. If a digit gets "lazy" it's really pretty easy to take apart, clean, lube with a little dry graphite and put back together. Rick Brown CalClub Timing & Scoring From mark at bradakis.com Tue Feb 2 18:28:21 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:28:21 -0700 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20100202143547.043022e8@raceamerica.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20100201131223.03f812f0@raceamerica.com> <1057578984.1470001265059135798.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20100202143547.043022e8@raceamerica.com> Message-ID: <4B68D135.5090508@bradakis.com> This seems like a good time to put on my old codger hat and relate my favorite cone story. Boy, this list has been around for 20 years, what a surprise. Anyway, I managed to make it to Kansas for the 25th anniversary of the Solo Nationals, Killer Spit in tow. '97 it was, back when this list would see hundreds of messages in August before the big event. I was working the course for ESP. A red Mustang comes screaming through a gate and WALLOPS one of the cones, major hit. The cone goes under the car, hits the rear tire and goes sailing maybe 25 - 30 feet into the air. It hits the ground, bounces and jumps around a bit, and ends up *standing upright* within the outline of the original location. I've never ever seen a cone that was displaced so much end up not being displaced. I couldn't call it in on the radio, I was laughing too hard! mjb. From bfetch at tpg.com Wed Feb 3 09:22:10 2010 From: bfetch at tpg.com (Fetch, Brandon) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:22:10 -0600 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <4B68D135.5090508@bradakis.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20100201131223.03f812f0@raceamerica.com> <1057578984.1470001265059135798.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20100202143547.043022e8@raceamerica.com> <4B68D135.5090508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: *prints this e-mail for being laminated & saved* See!!! It DOES happen! -----Original Message----- From: autox-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:autox-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:28 PM To: autox at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers This seems like a good time to put on my old codger hat and relate my favorite cone story. Boy, this list has been around for 20 years, what a surprise. Anyway, I managed to make it to Kansas for the 25th anniversary of the Solo Nationals, Killer Spit in tow. '97 it was, back when this list would see hundreds of messages in August before the big event. I was working the course for ESP. A red Mustang comes screaming through a gate and WALLOPS one of the cones, major hit. The cone goes under the car, hits the rear tire and goes sailing maybe 25 - 30 feet into the air. It hits the ground, bounces and jumps around a bit, and ends up *standing upright* within the outline of the original location. I've never ever seen a cone that was displaced so much end up not being displaced. I couldn't call it in on the radio, I was laughing too hard! mjb. Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as bfetch at texpac.com This message is intended only for the person(s) to which it is addressed and may contain privileged, confidential and/or insider information.. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action concerning the contents of this message and any attachment(s) by anyone other than the named recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. From jamesh220 at comcast.net Wed Feb 3 10:54:09 2010 From: jamesh220 at comcast.net (JH) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <296326986.2598141265218994247.JavaMail.root@sz0077a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2075972941.2605181265219649052.JavaMail.root@sz0077a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes and I've seen a cone run over more than once by the same car at the same point get crushed flat and come back up still in the box...it was when I was working the starter for a Southbend Region event and Mike Zik uhr took his CP Camaro and had to turn hard left after the lights running directly over the inside cone 3 consequetive runs in a row. There was another time when I saw Rick Ruth obliterate a cone completely when it was sub 30 degrees and the cone was shattered but the base was still in the box.B Cold cones do get brittle and when struck at +60 mph crumble into little pieces...B I was working the corner and recording cones but since it was still in the box, we let it go. Then there was a day of high wind, Jim McKamey came through at speed past a narrow gate, the wind shear from his wings tipped over the cones on both sides and the cones fell in towards the course so we had to count them both even though there was no contact. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Fetch" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , autox at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 10:22:10 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers *prints this e-mail for being laminated & saved* See!!! B It DOES happen! -----Original Message----- From: autox-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:autox-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:28 PM To: autox at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers This seems like a good time to put on my old codger hat and relate my favorite cone story. B Boy, this list has been around for 20 years, what a surprise. Anyway, I managed to make it to Kansas for the 25th anniversary of the Solo Nationals, Killer Spit in tow. B '97 it was, back when this list would see hundreds of messages in August before the big event. I was working the course for ESP. B A red Mustang comes screaming through a gate and WALLOPS one of the cones, major hit. B The cone goes under the car, hits the rear tire and goes sailing maybe 25 - 30 feet into the air. B It hits the ground, bounces and jumps around a bit, and ends up *standing upright* within the outline of the original location. I've never ever seen a cone that was displaced so much end up not being displaced. B I couldn't call it in on the radio, I was laughing too hard! mjb. Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as bfetch at texpac.com This message is intended only for the person(s) to which it is addressed and may contain privileged, confidential and/or insider information.. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action concerning the contents of this message and any attachment(s) by anyone other than the named recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jamesh220 at comcast.net From greendot1 at comcast.net Wed Feb 3 12:25:48 2010 From: greendot1 at comcast.net (Bruce & Mary Wentzel) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers In-Reply-To: <2075972941.2605181265219649052.JavaMail.root@sz0077a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1440821256.2308011265225148641.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> And those of us who ran Corvettes with side pipes learned to turn the outlets down instead of to the side. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JH" To: "Brandon Fetch" Cc: autox at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:54:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers Yes and I've seen a cone run over more than once by the same car at the same point get crushed flat and come back up still in the box...it was when I was working the starter for a Southbend Region event and Mike Zik uhr took his CP Camaro and had to turn hard left after the lights running directly over the inside cone 3 consequetive runs in a row. There was another time when I saw Rick Ruth obliterate a cone completely when it was sub 30 degrees and the cone was shattered but the base was still in the box.B B Cold cones do get brittle and when struck at +60 mph crumble into little pieces...B B I was working the corner and recording cones but since it was still in the box, we let it go. Then there was a day of high wind, Jim McKamey came through at speed past a narrow gate, the wind shear from his wings tipped over the cones on both sides and the cones fell in towards the course so we had to count them both even though there was no contact. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Fetch" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , autox at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 10:22:10 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers *prints this e-mail for being laminated & saved* See!!! B It DOES happen! -----Original Message----- From: autox-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:autox-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:28 PM To: autox at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers This seems like a good time to put on my old codger hat and relate my favorite cone story. B Boy, this list has been around for 20 years, what a surprise. Anyway, I managed to make it to Kansas for the 25th anniversary of the Solo Nationals, Killer Spit in tow. B '97 it was, back when this list would see hundreds of messages in August before the big event. I was working the course for ESP. B A red Mustang comes screaming through a gate and WALLOPS one of the cones, major hit. B The cone goes under the car, hits the rear tire and goes sailing maybe 25 - 30 feet into the air. B It hits the ground, bounces and jumps around a bit, and ends up *standing upright* within the outline of the original location. I've never ever seen a cone that was displaced so much end up not being displaced. B I couldn't call it in on the radio, I was laughing too hard! mjb. Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as bfetch at texpac.com This message is intended only for the person(s) to which it is addressed and may contain privileged, confidential and/or insider information.. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action concerning the contents of this message and any attachment(s) by anyone other than the named recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jamesh220 at comcast.net Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as greendot1 at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Feb 3 17:30:32 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:30:32 -0600 Subject: [Autox] Cones and timers References: <1440821256.2308011265225148641.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2231B524D21845099F9270C14C9011A8@rocky> Our rule here in Salina -- we've seen it happen -- is that if the car passes and there is still *A* cone upright in the box, no penalty. Even if the cone left standing was originally the pointer before the driver hit both of them. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce & Mary Wentzel" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers > And those of us who ran Corvettes with side pipes learned to turn the > outlets > down instead of to the side. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JH" > To: "Brandon Fetch" > Cc: autox at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:54:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers > > Yes and I've seen a cone run over more than once by the same car at the > same > point get crushed flat and come back up still in the box...it was when I > was > working the starter for a Southbend Region event and Mike Zik uhr took his > CP > Camaro and had to turn hard left after the lights running directly over > the > inside cone 3 consequetive runs in a row. > > > > There was another time when I saw Rick Ruth obliterate a cone completely > when > it was sub 30 degrees and the cone was shattered but the base was still in > the > box.B B Cold cones do get brittle and when struck at +60 mph crumble into > little pieces...B B I was working the corner and recording cones but since > it > was still in the box, we let it go. > > > > Then there was a day of high wind, Jim McKamey came through at speed past > a > narrow gate, the wind shear from his wings tipped over the cones on both > sides > and the cones fell in towards the course so we had to count them both even > though there was no contact. > > > > Jim > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brandon Fetch" > To: "Mark J Bradakis" , autox at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 10:22:10 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers > > *prints this e-mail for being laminated & saved* > > See!!! B It DOES happen! > > -----Original Message----- > From: autox-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:autox-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:28 PM > To: autox at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers > > This seems like a good time to put on my old codger hat and relate > my favorite cone story. B Boy, this list has been around for 20 years, > what a surprise. > > Anyway, I managed to make it to Kansas for the 25th anniversary > of the Solo Nationals, Killer Spit in tow. B '97 it was, back when this > list would see hundreds of messages in August before the big event. > > I was working the course for ESP. B A red Mustang comes screaming > through a gate and WALLOPS one of the cones, major hit. B The cone > goes under the car, hits the rear tire and goes sailing maybe 25 - 30 feet > into the air. B It hits the ground, bounces and jumps around a bit, and > ends up *standing upright* within the outline of the original location. > > I've never ever seen a cone that was displaced so much end up not being > displaced. B I couldn't call it in on the radio, I was laughing too hard! > > mjb. > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as bfetch at texpac.com > > This message is intended only for the person(s) to which it is addressed > and may contain privileged, confidential and/or insider information.. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. > Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action > concerning > the contents of this message and any attachment(s) by anyone other > than the named recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as jamesh220 at comcast.net > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as greendot1 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com From jthor11 at aol.com Thu Feb 4 18:46:28 2010 From: jthor11 at aol.com (jthor11 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:46:28 -0500 Subject: [Autox] Cones & timers. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC741C2AE3F64D-2C30-4487@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> I didn't know Salina did that. I'd have called it in as a penalty as the cone that was there... isn't any longer. Jan in Omaha Message: 2 ate: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:30:32 -0600 rom: "Rocky Entriken" ubject: Re: [Autox] Cones and timers o: "Bruce & Mary Wentzel" c: autox at autox.team.net essage-ID: <2231B524D21845099F9270C14C9011A8 at rocky> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Our rule here in Salina -- we've seen it happen -- is that if the car passes nd there is still *A* cone upright in the box, no penalty. Even if the cone eft standing was originally the pointer before the driver hit both of them. --Rocky = From mark at sirota.org Fri Feb 5 07:18:29 2010 From: mark at sirota.org (Mark Sirota) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:18:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Autox] Cones & timers. In-Reply-To: <355225635.1992211265340516080.JavaMail.root@zm-mbx-levy.zimbra.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <1924915244.2094871265379509308.JavaMail.root@zm-mbx-levy.zimbra.upenn.edu> ----- jthor11 at aol.com wrote: > I didn't know Salina did that. I'd have called it in as a penalty > as the cone that was there... isn't any longer. As I recall, there was an official ruling on this at some point, but I can't remember in what venue. The decision was that if (the base of) any cone was still touching the box, no penalty. That's the only enforceable ruling; we don't number the cones to match the boxes, so you can't be sure whether the cone that's there was the one that used to be there. Besides, don't you think someone who manages to swap cones deserves a little bonus? Mark From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Feb 5 16:14:42 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:14:42 -0600 Subject: [Autox] Cones & timers. References: <1924915244.2094871265379509308.JavaMail.root@zm-mbx-levy.zimbra.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <4ED5B4761A5044DF83A0B9D27B895824@rocky> Exactly. As I answered someone else: Unless you're actively watching the cone you may never see the transition -- but someone else who does gets all excited about it. And then you've got the argument. We've also seen a driver hit two of a line of cones (e.g. slalom cones or a cone row) and cone #1 ends up upright in box #2. It's rare, enough so that it is funny when it happens, but it removes all argument to just score what's left in the box with no concern over how it got there. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sirota" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Autox] Cones & timers. > ----- jthor11 at aol.com wrote: >> I didn't know Salina did that. I'd have called it in as a penalty >> as the cone that was there... isn't any longer. > > As I recall, there was an official ruling on this at some point, > but I can't remember in what venue. > > The decision was that if (the base of) any cone was still touching > the box, no penalty. That's the only enforceable ruling; we don't > number the cones to match the boxes, so you can't be sure whether > the cone that's there was the one that used to be there. > > Besides, don't you think someone who manages to swap cones deserves > a little bonus? > > Mark From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Feb 5 22:29:26 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:29:26 -0600 Subject: [Autox] San Francisco Traffic 1906 Message-ID: <39B1F0BB96F34CE1A29800646F175615@rocky> You car nuts might enjoy this link that my sister-in-law sent me. Traffic in 1906 -- San Francisco's Market Street. Link is at the bottom. You probably have to cut-n-paste. Despite the description below, this was shot from a cable car, not a streetcar. The difference, cable cars are pulled from a below-street-level cable -- see the slot between the tracks. Also the oncoming cars are cable cars -- open front, enclosed back, just like the Powell Street cars of today. Streetcars are longer, completely enclosed, powered by an overhead electrical wire -- a couple of them cross in front of the cable car. That's the spire of the Ferry Building (it's still there today) straight ahead, so the cable car is traveling easterly. (I lived in San Francisco from first grade through high school. No, I didn't live there in 1906!!) --Rocky Entriken This is great, well worth watching. San Francisco Market St 1906. This is fascinating to watch. 7-minute San Francisco street car ride 1906 - No lights, no traffic direction, all at the pace of a horse or bicycle. Thought the young people might not believe what life was like 100 years ago! Even some cars with right hand drive! This fascinating bit of film was shot from the San Francisco Market Street car estimated taken just a few days before the 1906 earthquake. Amazing to see the casual way the early cars just wove in an out of traffic and the pedestrians seemingly taking their lives in their hands as they walked in front of anything on wheels. Notice the heavy goods wagons running on tracks on the right as they get close to the Ferry Building . The wagons appear to have extra large steel wheels with a standard track width. And what about the fat cop with his truncheon ready to deal with any civil disturbances. Wonder what he did during the earthquake. Some comment from a local historian: - This gets identified as 1905 to 1909, but recent research by some transit experts concludes that it was done possibly on Monday, April 16, 1906 or Tuesday, April 17! Yep a day or two before the earthquake that would greatly alter this landscape. The other interesting thing is to watch the traffic and the chances people took when crossing the street. Street accidents were endemic throughout the US as the country changed with the advent of the horseless carriage. The cable cars that are visible were running at a predictable 9.2 MPH. Horses moved slowly on city streets too. But the automobile could reach speeds of 20 MPH! Early autos had the steering wheel on the right then we standardized it to the left. The rules of the road were evolving. Major train crossing had crossing lights, but rural crossing were only marked with a sign and you were responsible for your own safety in crossing the tracks and looking for the train coming. Even signal lights in cities didn't evolve until the 1920s. The cop directing traffic was about the only traffic control in use until then. As life sped up, we devised ways to protect the public, but it evolved slowly and unfortunately a lot of people died on city streets. http://www.flixxy.com/san-francisco-1905-historical-footage.htm From burgerc at iquest.net Thu Feb 18 18:44:06 2010 From: burgerc at iquest.net (burgerc at iquest.net) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:44:06 -0500 Subject: [Autox] CarFax Message-ID: <20100218204406.17203pt3fnispf6s@webmail.iquest.net> I am looking for a new tow vehicle and checked into CARFAX. I seem to remember that one request used to be $30, and there was an unlimited option for one month. Apparently, a single request is $35 no, and the only other option appears to be five requests for $44, neither of which appear to be a very good deal. Does anyone have some leftover inquiries that would otherwise go unused to check this vehicle? 3D7KA28CX4G136871 Clemens ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From greendot1 at comcast.net Fri Feb 19 06:24:04 2010 From: greendot1 at comcast.net (Bruce & Mary Wentzel) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Autox] CarFax In-Reply-To: <20100218204406.17203pt3fnispf6s@webmail.iquest.net> Message-ID: <1381609392.5010061266585844459.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> At the risk of stealing the thread, if available can a check be run on 1FTYA95W2SVA08155 Thanks Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: burgerc at iquest.net To: autox at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:44:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Autox] CarFax I am looking for a new tow vehicle and checked into CARFAX. B I seem to B remember that one request used to be $30, and there was an unlimited B option for one month. B Apparently, a single request is $35 no, and the B only other option appears to be five requests for $44, neither of B which appear to be a very good deal. Does anyone have some leftover inquiries that would otherwise go B unused to check this vehicle? 3D7KA28CX4G136871 Clemens ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. Autox mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as greendot1 at comcast.net From jlieberman37 at comcast.net Fri Feb 19 15:42:54 2010 From: jlieberman37 at comcast.net (John Lieberman) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:42:54 -0600 Subject: [Autox] CarFax In-Reply-To: <1381609392.5010061266585844459.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1381609392.5010061266585844459.JavaMail.root@sz0008a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B7F13EE.9030102@comcast.net> Hey, guys. I know there are several FREE alternatives to carfax. I've never tried any of them -- never had reason to -- but I know they're out there. Google "alternative to carfax" or "vin check" John Bruce & Mary Wentzel wrote: > At the risk of stealing the thread, if available can a check be run on > > 1FTYA95W2SVA08155 > > > > Thanks > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: burgerc at iquest.net > To: autox at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:44:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Autox] CarFax > > I am looking for a new tow vehicle and checked into CARFAX. B I seem to B > remember that one request used to be $30, and there was an unlimited B > option for one month. B Apparently, a single request is $35 no, and the B > only other option appears to be five requests for $44, neither of B > which appear to be a very good deal. > > Does anyone have some leftover inquiries that would otherwise go B > unused to check this vehicle? > > 3D7KA28CX4G136871 > > > Clemens > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as greendot1 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Autox mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autox > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as jlieberman37 at comcast.net From burgerc at iquest.net Fri Feb 19 17:41:51 2010 From: burgerc at iquest.net (burgerc at iquest.net) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:41:51 -0500 Subject: [Autox] CarFax In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100219194151.14047kacvaqwojcw@webmail.iquest.net> I've got the report. I went ahead and paid for it. Clemens > I am looking for a new tow vehicle and checked into CARFAX. I seem to > remember that one request used to be $30, and there was an unlimited > option for one month. Apparently, a single request is $35 no, and the > only other option appears to be five requests for $44, neither of > which appear to be a very good deal. > > Does anyone have some leftover inquiries that would otherwise go > unused to check this vehicle? > > 3D7KA28CX4G136871 > > > Clemens > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.