From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 14:38:28 2012 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP Message-ID: <1332016708.22319.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Im trying to help my Scotish buddy get his S2 up and driving. I would be on the road BUT we do have some things Im hoping the Alpine guys can help me with. First off I gave/sold him a S5 engine for thr S2 which had positive ground. he changed it to negative ground and I think thats the largest part of my problems. The gas gauge wont work BUT I did remove the sending unit yesterday and eventho some fool had a metal screw in one hole i was able to tap it out and use stainless allen head bolts. He has one of my S5 gauges and it goes straight to full with enough gas in the car to make it register. Im also at a loss to get it to charge as the car orginally had a generator but it now has a S5 alternator. His main thought was to change it over so his radio/steero would work. Hughie found the car setting at a co workers Christmas party and he has seveal years and cash invested, so getting him up and going is a have to do ordeal. Any thought will be deeply appreiated. plus the car is beautiful- a blue color with a bit of metal flake. BUT he has yet to drive the car It runs fine and I would be down the road- there are gas stations everywhere and I would put a one wire alt. on it BUT its not mine. Thanks guys ahead of time. TonytheTiger From aballard at ix.netcom.com Mon Mar 19 09:21:07 2012 From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:21:07 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP In-Reply-To: <1332016708.22319.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1332016708.22319.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0744BE-164E-4057-B087-DFE498C3354B@ix.netcom.com> http://www.team.net/www/rootes/sunbeam/alpine/mk1-5/techtips/cvtgrnd.html http://www.team.net/www/rootes/sunbeam/alpine/mk1-5/techtips/altconv.html Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Im trying to help my Scotish buddy get his S2 up and driving. I would be on > the road BUT we do have some things Im hoping the Alpine guys can help me > with. First off I gave/sold him a S5 engine for thr S2 which had positive > ground. he changed it to negative ground and I think thats the largest part of > my problems. The gas gauge wont work BUT I did remove the sending unit > yesterday and eventho some fool had a metal screw in one hole i was able to > tap it out and use stainless allen head bolts. He has one of my S5 gauges and > it goes straight to full with enough gas in the car to make it register. Im > also at a loss to get it to charge as the car orginally had a generator but it > now has a S5 alternator. His main thought was to change it over so his > radio/steero would work. Hughie found the car setting at a co workers > Christmas party and he has seveal years and cash invested, so getting him up > and going is a have to do ordeal. Any thought will be deeply > appreiated. plus the car is beautiful- a blue color with a bit of metal > flake. BUT he has yet to drive the car It runs fine and I would be down the > road- there are gas stations everywhere and I would put a one wire alt. on it > BUT its not mine. Thanks guys ahead of time. > TonytheTiger > _______________________________________________ > Alpines at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/aballard at ix.netcom.com From JACranwell at aol.com Mon Mar 19 09:33:45 2012 From: JACranwell at aol.com (JACranwell at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP Message-ID: <1792e.2b45bb47.3c98abd9@aol.com> Tony, You're probably aware, but if it is a pukka SV alternator, it has a remote control pack (Lucas 4TR), which needs to be wired in too. It should be mounted in the inner wheel arch, where the dynamo controller would have been. Personally, I would use a more modern alernator, without the external pack, as they tend to be more reliable. A old type Mini unit would do nicely, which is what I have in my SIII. Good luck. Julian. From peter at wizardclassics.co.uk Mon Mar 19 09:38:22 2012 From: peter at wizardclassics.co.uk (peter at wizardclassics.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:38:22 -0000 Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP References: <1332016708.22319.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3D0744BE-164E-4057-B087-DFE498C3354B@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: The original gauges were the balanced coil type. the S5 gauges are bimetallic strip, which needs a voltage regulator to give a 10volt supply. If you haven't fitted one you will have problems. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Tony Somebody" Cc: "Alpine List" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [Alpines] S2 HELP > http://www.team.net/www/rootes/sunbeam/alpine/mk1-5/techtips/cvtgrnd.html > > http://www.team.net/www/rootes/sunbeam/alpine/mk1-5/techtips/altconv.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 17, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > >> Im trying to help my Scotish buddy get his S2 up and driving. I would be >> on >> the road BUT we do have some things Im hoping the Alpine guys can help me >> with. First off I gave/sold him a S5 engine for thr S2 which had positive >> ground. he changed it to negative ground and I think thats the largest >> part > of >> my problems. The gas gauge wont work BUT I did remove the sending unit >> yesterday and eventho some fool had a metal screw in one hole i was able >> to >> tap it out and use stainless allen head bolts. He has one of my S5 gauges > and >> it goes straight to full with enough gas in the car to make it register. >> Im >> also at a loss to get it to charge as the car orginally had a generator >> but > it >> now has a S5 alternator. His main thought was to change it over so his >> radio/steero would work. Hughie found the car setting at a co workers >> Christmas party and he has seveal years and cash invested, so getting him > up >> and going is a have to do ordeal. Any thought will be deeply >> appreiated. plus the car is beautiful- a blue color with a bit of metal >> flake. BUT he has yet to drive the car It runs fine and I would be down >> the >> road- there are gas stations everywhere and I would put a one wire alt. >> on > it >> BUT its not mine. Thanks guys ahead of time. >> TonytheTiger >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpines at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $17.25 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/aballard at ix.netcom.com > _______________________________________________ > Alpines at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/peter at wizardclassics.co.uk > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4879 - Release Date: 03/18/12 From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi Mon Mar 19 10:32:21 2012 From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (Lauri Lehtinen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:32:21 +0200 Subject: [Alpines] A Sunbeam at F1 2012 In-Reply-To: <1792e.2b45bb47.3c98abd9@aol.com> References: <1792e.2b45bb47.3c98abd9@aol.com> Message-ID: <009a01cd05ed$de9f6af0$9bde40d0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> Hi folks, I saw a photo in my newspaper where Kimi Raikkonen was sitting on a headlight of a BRG Sunbeam Tiger. At windshield top there was a big sticker "Lewis Hamilton". Second car in row might have been an early series Alpine in white. Does anyone know more about this starting of the season, was there a program from "Sunbeam Owners of Melbourne"? (We have a good delegation from Finland in F1: Kimi in Lotus, Heikki Kovalainen in Caterham and Valtteri Bottas as a test driver to Williams. And of course Nico Rosberg has a finnish passport, but he races with a german licence.) From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 10:42:49 2012 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP In-Reply-To: <1792e.2b45bb47.3c98abd9@aol.com> Message-ID: <1332175369.78236.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> My main concer is he changeed the battery from a positive ground syestem to a negative. I know if I try to use a S5 gauge it wont work unless I use a bimetal strip or buy one that a cpl of the Tiger guys have available and are a very good replacement. Im thinking its easier to install a small one wire so I have very littlle wiring to do. The chap wants to drive the car BUT I woulddnt let a gas gauge stop me and I would have the generator rebuilt IF needed and the control box checked or replaced- we have a great local shop that works on Terrys Jaguars starters, generators ,alternators for all who have an idea who Bill Terry is or his Jaag parts business.. Again, does anyone see or know if I should do anything different now that he changed the battery around- his reason- so his radio would work. I told him I think I could fix that simple item if changing thing back to positive grnd would make things charge etc- .I have some electrical experience BUT Ive never worked on a car that was positive grnd and so if changed what else I must do???Thanks in advance again. TonytheTiger PS- I need a S2 fuel gauge IF anyone has a good one. Otherwise I will have his rebuilt. Hughie, the Scottish owner works for JOY and install long wall syestems at coal mines all over the world- so he is gone for 6 weeks to 2 months at a time on ocassion- Im tierd of working on his car as I have my own Beams that need attention but he is a decent Chap who needs help or he tends to rig it like a coal miner would- with a hammer and tie wire or black tape. Just want this Alpine back on nthe road, it is a beauty. --- On Mon, 3/19/12, JACranwell at aol.com wrote: From: JACranwell at aol.com Subject: Re: [Alpines] S2 HELP To: aballard at ix.netcom.com, acchd73 at yahoo.com Cc: alpines at autox.team.net Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 10:33 AM Tony, You're probably aware, but if it is a pukka SV alternator, it has a remote control pack (Lucas 4TR), which needs to be wired in too. It should be mounted in the inner wheel arch, where the dynamo controller would have been. Personally, I would use a more modern alernator, without the external pack, as they tend to be more reliable. A old type Mini unit would do nicely, which is what I have in my SIII. Good luck. Julian. _______________________________________________ Alpines at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/achd73 at yahoo.com From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi Mon Mar 19 10:44:32 2012 From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (Lauri Lehtinen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:44:32 +0200 Subject: [Alpines] A Sunbeam at F1 2012 In-Reply-To: <009a01cd05ed$de9f6af0$9bde40d0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> References: <1792e.2b45bb47.3c98abd9@aol.com> <009a01cd05ed$de9f6af0$9bde40d0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <009b01cd05ef$936bca90$ba435fb0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> Sorry to bother you - it was here: http://sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17652 From aballard at ix.netcom.com Mon Mar 19 13:35:52 2012 From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:35:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP Message-ID: <15798537.1332185753819.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXXUYjFcj: Permission denied From jarrid_gross at earthlink.net Mon Mar 19 14:04:11 2012 From: jarrid_gross at earthlink.net (jarrid_gross at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:04:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP Message-ID: <32896035.1332187451714.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One thing to be clear on is that you cannot mix the SII sender with the later/SV bimetal gauge. The resistance ranges are not compatible. Nothing wrong with using the later gauge with its matching sender although the earlier gauges do not use a voltage regulator the later thermal ones use a regulator. HTH Jarrid Gross SII 1725 EFI -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Somebody >Sent: Mar 19, 2012 10:42 AM >To: aballard at ix.netcom.com, achd73 at yahoo.com, JACranwell at aol.com >Cc: alpines at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Alpines] S2 HELP > >My main concer is he changeed the battery from a positive ground syestem to a >negative. I know if I try to use a S5 gauge it wont work unless I use a >bimetal strip or buy one that a cpl of the Tiger guys have available and are a >very good replacement. Im thinking its easier to install a small one wire so I >have very littlle wiring to do. The chap wants to drive the car BUT I woulddnt >let a gas gauge stop me and I would have the generator rebuilt IF needed and >the control box checked or replaced- we have a great local shop that works on >Terrys Jaguars starters, generators ,alternators for all who have an idea who >Bill Terry is or his Jaag parts business.. Again, does anyone see or know if I >should do anything different now that he changed the battery around- his >reason- so his radio would work. I told him I think I could fix that simple >item if changing thing back to positive grnd would make things charge etc- .I >have some electrical experience BUT Ive > never worked on a car that was positive grnd and so if changed what else I >must do???Thanks in advance again. >TonytheTiger >PS- I need a S2 fuel gauge IF anyone has a good one. Otherwise I will have his >rebuilt. Hughie, the Scottish owner works for JOY and install long wall >syestems at coal mines all over the world- so he is gone for 6 weeks to 2 >months at a time on ocassion- Im tierd of working on his car as I have my own >Beams that need attention but he is a decent Chap who needs help or he tends >to rig it like a coal miner would- with a hammer and tie wire or black tape. >Just want this Alpine back on nthe road, it is a beauty. > >--- On Mon, 3/19/12, JACranwell at aol.com wrote: > > >From: JACranwell at aol.com >Subject: Re: [Alpines] S2 HELP >To: aballard at ix.netcom.com, acchd73 at yahoo.com >Cc: alpines at autox.team.net >Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 10:33 AM > > >Tony, > >You're probably aware, but if it is a pukka SV alternator, it has a remote >control pack (Lucas 4TR), which needs to be wired in too. It should be >mounted in the inner wheel arch, where the dynamo controller would have >been. > >Personally, I would use a more modern alernator, without the external pack, >as they tend to be more reliable. A old type Mini unit would do nicely, >which is what I have in my SIII. > >Good luck. > >Julian. >_______________________________________________ >Alpines at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $17.25 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/achd73 at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Alpines at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $17.25 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jarrid_gross at earthlink.net From peter at wizardclassics.co.uk Mon Mar 19 15:32:50 2012 From: peter at wizardclassics.co.uk (peter at wizardclassics.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:32:50 -0000 Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP References: <1332175369.78236.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0200F17143EB46A285166B16F142D3B5@peterspc> As long as the dynamo has been replaced by an alternator and the battery polarity reversed the car should start and run. As long as the gauges have been changed for ones from a SV there should be nothing else to worry about. Of course, if the alternator is the older type then you will need the correct regulator and to connect the ignition warning light appropriately, if you have the later 16ACR or similar, that makes for an easier swap. Let's go back to square one. What is actually working/not working? It's probably easier to swap a car from pos ground to neg. ground than to completely safely isolate a radio from the vehicle metalwork to run it on opposite polarity. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Alpines] S2 HELP > My main concer is he changeed the battery from a positive ground syestem > to a > negative. I know if I try to use a S5 gauge it wont work unless I use a > bimetal strip or buy one that a cpl of the Tiger guys have available and > are a > very good replacement. Im thinking its easier to install a small one wire > so I > have very littlle wiring to do. The chap wants to drive the car BUT I > woulddnt > let a gas gauge stop me and I would have the generator rebuilt IF needed > and > the control box checked or replaced- we have a great local shop that works > on > Terrys Jaguars starters, generators ,alternators for all who have an idea > who > Bill Terry is or his Jaag parts business.. Again, does anyone see or know > if I > should do anything different now that he changed the battery around- his > reason- so his radio would work. I told him I think I could fix that > simple > item if changing thing back to positive grnd would make things charge etc- > .I > have some electrical experience BUT Ive > never worked on a car that was positive grnd and so if changed what else I > must do???Thanks in advance again. > TonytheTiger > PS- I need a S2 fuel gauge IF anyone has a good one. Otherwise I will have > his > rebuilt. Hughie, the Scottish owner works for JOY and install long wall > syestems at coal mines all over the world- so he is gone for 6 weeks to 2 > months at a time on ocassion- Im tierd of working on his car as I have my > own > Beams that need attention but he is a decent Chap who needs help or he > tends > to rig it like a coal miner would- with a hammer and tie wire or black > tape. > Just want this Alpine back on nthe road, it is a beauty. From JACranwell at aol.com Tue Mar 20 03:08:20 2012 From: JACranwell at aol.com (JACranwell at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alpines] S2 HELP Message-ID: <307b5.10d74c26.3c99a304@aol.com> Also check the radio, as some of the older types, including mine, have a polarity switch on the chassis. Julian From beamertwo at hotmail.com Wed Mar 21 05:03:21 2012 From: beamertwo at hotmail.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:03:21 +1100 Subject: [Alpines] Sunbeams at Australian F1 GP Message-ID: Lauri and anyone interested, Sunbeams were used to carry the drivers on their parade lap at the Australian F1 GP this year. I recorded the telecast, but haven't had time to watch it yet. When I do, I will try to put the important part - the Sunbeams! - on Youtube. Rick Harrison From marcsmall at comcast.net Fri Mar 23 14:38:04 2012 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:38:04 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] FOR SALE, CHEAP! Message-ID: I have the following: 1 1725cc five-main bearing crank with some surface rust. $75 and you pick it up (I am in Chester, Virginia, just south of Richmond, that capitol of the CSA) 2 fuel distribution tee fittings for the Stromberg CD 250's on the Series V. $50 each. postpaid in the US. Or make an offer! Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From yvrcanada at hotmail.com Tue Mar 27 02:30:48 2012 From: yvrcanada at hotmail.com (Ohan .) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:30:48 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] PPG paint code: Carnival Red Message-ID: If anyone has the PPG paint code for the Alpine V - Carnival Red. I would appreciate it. Ohan From rande at thecia.net Wed Mar 28 07:49:16 2012 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:49:16 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] Tigers United archives Message-ID: <4f7316dc.6261.0@thecia.net> A couple of things: Stu, right on. Dave Munroe reminded me this is the same fella in Meredith, NH that is probably more renown? for rebuilding Rootes brake boosters. Just a thought, but maybe a Spring or Summer tour to his place would be a good regional TEAE trip, hint-hint. In the olden days, like 15 years, we had C.A.T Shop Notes and TEAE Sunbeam Survivor to archive the tech tips that appeared in the monthly newsletters. Welcome to the internet, where just one tip about a distributor problem can bring maybe 10-15 replies in one 24 hour period, that as of last night, were still coming. This is a job for (other than Superman) a paid archivist and/or all of us with either reams of paper or unlimited memory in our laptops. While we're continuing to support the Mark Bradakis Fund, we may need to establish the Jay Laifman Fund as well if he's going to take this on. Last point. One of the things that are a big help about eBay to me are the pictures of Sunbeam parts offered, as a tool for assembling our cars i.e. things that aren't in Rick or Curt's catalogue or found in the Rootes parts catalogue. In the worst case, when you're not sure if the eBay part is an Alpine or Tiger part, you can pass the photo along to someone with more experience who can tell you. It's a huge resource. From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 08:28:21 2012 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Alpines] Tigers United archives In-Reply-To: <4f7316dc.6261.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <1332944901.15356.YahooMailClassic@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> EXCELLENT post Rande!! --- On Wed, 3/28/12, rande wrote: From: rande Subject: [Alpines] Tigers United archives To: tigers at autox.team.net Cc: alpines at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 8:49 AM A couple of things: Stu, right on. Dave Munroe reminded me this is the same fella in Meredith, NH that is probably more renown? for rebuilding Rootes brake boosters. Just a thought, but maybe a Spring or Summer tour to his place would be a good regional TEAE trip, hint-hint. In the olden days, like 15 years, we had C.A.T Shop Notes and TEAE Sunbeam Survivor to archive the tech tips that appeared in the monthly newsletters. Welcome to the internet, where just one tip about a distributor problem can bring maybe 10-15 replies in one 24 hour period, that as of last night, were still coming. This is a job for (other than Superman) a paid archivist and/or all of us with either reams of paper or unlimited memory in our laptops. While we're continuing to support the Mark Bradakis Fund, we may need to establish the Jay Laifman Fund as well if he's going to take this on. Last point. One of the things that are a big help about eBay to me are the pictures of Sunbeam parts offered, as a tool for assembling our cars i.e. things that aren't in Rick or Curt's catalogue or found in the Rootes parts catalogue. In the worst case, when you're not sure if the eBay part is an Alpine or Tiger part, you can pass the photo along to someone with more experience who can tell you. It's a huge resource. _______________________________________________ Alpines at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/achd73 at yahoo.com From rande at thecia.net Sat Mar 31 09:37:00 2012 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] Off topic-Drag strips leave L.A. Message-ID: <4f77249c.2038.0@thecia.net> On this mornings one hour show on National Public Radio's show Only A Game is a feature on the closing of Los Angeles' last two drag strips, Fontana and Irwindale. Check local listings for when it airs in your town. Here in Boston it airs twice on Sat. You may be able to catch possible podcast and photos at www.onlyagame.org