From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu Thu Jul 26 21:50:10 2012 From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine Message-ID: Well, having waited a year after the accident, I'm now about to start the repairs. And the bumper very generously offered by a list member is no longer available, so I'm wondering if anyone else has one. I have the one that was hit, and it can probably be pounded back and reused, but if someone has one that is straight and just needs chrome, that might be a better-looking option in the end. I'm in Palo Alto, California. -Barry -- bhayes yat cs dot stanford dot edu is what you should put in your contact files -- it'll forward to me no matter where I move From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu Fri Jul 27 08:22:19 2012 From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:22:19 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I asked this before, and don't remember the answer: My Alpine V has the lights for the rear license plate mounted on the rear bumper, but some bumpers don't seem to have these lights. Anyone have good photos of the two configurations of the lights on the rear plate? Anyone know the manufacturing history of the two configurations? From wiencek at anl.gov Fri Jul 27 08:49:04 2012 From: wiencek at anl.gov (Wiencek, Thomas) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:49:04 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FA56BB961B62E4BBF260430AFBEF719067DD1F8B9@HETFIELD.anl.gov> The late Alpines used the license plate lights in the bumper. They must have run out of the license light holder brackets??? -----Original Message----- From: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barry Hayes Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 9:22 AM To: alpines Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine I asked this before, and don't remember the answer: My Alpine V has the lights for the rear license plate mounted on the rear bumper, but some bumpers don't seem to have these lights. Anyone have good photos of the two configurations of the lights on the rear plate? Anyone know the manufacturing history of the two configurations? _______________________________________________ Alpines at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/wiencek at anl.gov From bmounce at rcn.com Fri Jul 27 09:15:08 2012 From: bmounce at rcn.com (Bill Mounce) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:15:08 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02a701cd6c0a$9d1e3dd0$d75ab970$@com> The ones that sit on the bumper, the little chrome half globes, are late SV, I have them. You can get new ones from Moss. Bill Mounce Proud owner of the Alpine formerly known as The Paperweight -----Original Message----- From: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barry Hayes Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:22 AM To: alpines Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine I asked this before, and don't remember the answer: My Alpine V has the lights for the rear license plate mounted on the rear bumper, but some bumpers don't seem to have these lights. Anyone have good photos of the two configurations of the lights on the rear plate? Anyone know the manufacturing history of the two configurations? _______________________________________________ Alpines at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/bmounce at rcn.com From jandkstone99 at msn.com Fri Jul 27 11:00:26 2012 From: jandkstone99 at msn.com (Jim Stone) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:00:26 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine In-Reply-To: <02a701cd6c0a$9d1e3dd0$d75ab970$@com> References: , , <02a701cd6c0a$9d1e3dd0$d75ab970$@com> Message-ID: I am curious Barry: does your Alpine also have the non-peaked headlight rims. My '67 parts car had both the bumper mounted lights and the non-peaked rims, but I don't know if all late 67's came that way. The general consensus seems to be that Rootes just used whatever they had on hand as the model was nearing its end and there are many idiosyncrasies with the last cars off the line. > From: bmounce at rcn.com > To: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu; alpines at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:15:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine > > The ones that sit on the bumper, the little chrome half globes, are late SV, > I have them. You can get new ones from Moss. > > Bill Mounce > Proud owner of the Alpine formerly known as The Paperweight > > -----Original Message----- > From: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Barry Hayes > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:22 AM > To: alpines > Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine > > I asked this before, and don't remember the answer: > My Alpine V has the lights for the rear license plate mounted on the rear > bumper, but some bumpers don't seem to have these lights. > Anyone have good photos of the two configurations of the lights on the rear > plate? Anyone know the manufacturing history of the two configurations? > _______________________________________________ > Alpines at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/bmounce at rcn.com > _______________________________________________ > Alpines at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jandkstone99 at msn.com From bmounce at rcn.com Fri Jul 27 11:16:34 2012 From: bmounce at rcn.com (Bill Mounce) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine In-Reply-To: References: <02a701cd6c0a$9d1e3dd0$d75ab970$@com> Message-ID: <24EA731B-5825-4365-BFB0-F0BCB3EFB5DB@rcn.com> I have peaks. Built 8/28/67. Since both of them have peaks, I have Twin Peaks! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I am curious Barry: does your Alpine also have the non-peaked headlight rims. > My '67 parts car had both the bumper mounted lights and the non-peaked rims, > but I don't know if all late 67's came that way. The general consensus seems > to be that Rootes just used whatever they had on hand as the model was nearing > its end and there are many idiosyncrasies with the last cars off the line. > >> From: bmounce at rcn.com >> To: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu; alpines at autox.team.net >> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:15:08 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine >> >> The ones that sit on the bumper, the little chrome half globes, are late > SV, >> I have them. You can get new ones from Moss. >> >> Bill Mounce >> Proud owner of the Alpine formerly known as The Paperweight >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Barry Hayes >> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:22 AM >> To: alpines >> Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine >> >> I asked this before, and don't remember the answer: >> My Alpine V has the lights for the rear license plate mounted on the rear >> bumper, but some bumpers don't seem to have these lights. >> Anyone have good photos of the two configurations of the lights on the rear >> plate? Anyone know the manufacturing history of the two configurations? >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpines at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $17.25 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/bmounce at rcn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpines at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $17.25 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jandkstone99 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > Alpines at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/bmounce at rcn.com From aballard at ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 27 11:51:58 2012 From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:51:58 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine In-Reply-To: References: <02a701cd6c0a$9d1e3dd0$d75ab970$@com> Message-ID: I think that all the late SVs came that way--my late SV parts car certainly did. Allan Ballard Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I am curious Barry: does your Alpine also have the non-peaked headlight rims. > My '67 parts car had both the bumper mounted lights and the non-peaked rims, > but I don't know if all late 67's came that way. The general consensus seems > to be that Rootes just used whatever they had on hand as the model was nearing > its end and there are many idiosyncrasies with the last cars off the line. > >> From: bmounce at rcn.com >> To: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu; alpines at autox.team.net >> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:15:08 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine >> >> The ones that sit on the bumper, the little chrome half globes, are late > SV, >> I have them. You can get new ones from Moss. >> >> Bill Mounce >> Proud owner of the Alpine formerly known as The Paperweight >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Barry Hayes >> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:22 AM >> To: alpines >> Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine >> >> I asked this before, and don't remember the answer: >> My Alpine V has the lights for the rear license plate mounted on the rear >> bumper, but some bumpers don't seem to have these lights. >> Anyone have good photos of the two configurations of the lights on the rear >> plate? Anyone know the manufacturing history of the two configurations? >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpines at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $17.25 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/bmounce at rcn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpines at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $17.25 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jandkstone99 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > Alpines at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/aballard at ix.netcom.com From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi Fri Jul 27 13:26:09 2012 From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:26:09 +0000 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine Message-ID: <201207271926.q6RJQ9QR020837@pr-mc1mon-01.pr.atl.nmsg.s.nokia.com> It is the british way - they were not purists, as british motorcykles clearly show. On the other hand it makes our live easier, as almost all combinations may be correct! LC$hetetty Nokia-puhelimestani ---- alkuperC$inen viesti ---- LC$hett.: Jim Stone LC$het.: 27.07.2012, 20:00 V.ottaja: alpines at autox.team.ne I am curious Barry: does your Alpine also have the non-peaked headlight rims. My '67 parts car had both the bumper mounted lights and the non-peaked rims, but I don't know if all late 67's came that way. The general consensus seems to be that Rootes just used whatever they had on hand... > From: bmounce at rcn.com > To: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu; alpines at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:15:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine > > The ones that sit on the bumper, the little chrome half globes, are late SV, > I have them. You can get new ones from Moss. > > Bill Mounce > Proud owner of the Alpine formerly known as The Paperweight > > -----Original Message----- > From: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Barry Hayes > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:22 AM > To: alpines > Subject: Re: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine > > I asked this before, and don't remember the answer: > My Alpine V has the lights for the rear license plate mounted on the rear > bumper, but some bumpers don't seem to have these lights. > Anyone have good photos of the two configurations of the lights on the rear > plate? Anyone know the manufacturing history of the two configurations? > _______________________________________________ > Alpines at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/bmounce at rcn.com > _______________________________________________ > Alpines at autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Alpines at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From rwvose at vcn.com Fri Jul 27 13:44:01 2012 From: rwvose at vcn.com (rwvose at vcn.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:44:01 -0600 Subject: [Alpines] I need a bumper for 67 Alpine Message-ID: <485f1b25f93c36b00681e3d28ea2e8c9@vcn.com> Barry, Have you call Rick at SS to see if he has any used bumpers? Rich Vose From rande at thecia.net Sun Jul 29 09:36:16 2012 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] VIN break for SV rear bumpers Message-ID: <50155870.4a92.0@thecia.net> Some folks asked at what point did Rootes change over to rear bumpers with number plate lamps mounted to them. The following information comes from the Rootes parts catalogue: NAS & Germany, also all markets from *Note Fitted on and from Chassis Nos.: B395016692/3, 16703, 16708/9, 16711/12, 16714,16717, 16719/20, 16722-16729 inclusive, 16731/2/3, 16735/6/7, 16739-16743 inclusive, 16745, 16746/7, 16749, 16753 inclusive, 16755/6, 16758, 16760 to 16767 inclusive, 16769, 16772/3, 16777, then from 16779 onwards. Now, my notes. I've included just the sequential part of the VIN. Also, for example, a number like 16772/3 means cars number 16772 and 16773. Also, cars with this bumper used a separate and different number plate lamp part number from earlier cars. As these very late VIN's were built after the end of Tiger Mk II assembly, they don't seem to be used on Tigers. I have a photo of Tiger II number 626 (the last II was #633), and it uses the older version of the Alpine V rear bumper. From cdpmbmengle at msn.com Sun Jul 29 19:36:58 2012 From: cdpmbmengle at msn.com (Chris Engle) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:36:58 -0600 Subject: [Alpines] VIN break for SV rear bumpers In-Reply-To: <50155870.4a92.0@thecia.net> References: <50155870.4a92.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: My Alpine has the license plate bracket mounted to the body below the rear bumper. Is this what everyone is referring to or is mine different than both of those? ----- Original Message ----- From: rande To: alpines at autox.team.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:36 AM Subject: [Alpines] VIN break for SV rear bumpers Some folks asked at what point did Rootes change over to rear bumpers with number plate lamps mounted to them. The following information comes from the Rootes parts catalogue: NAS & Germany, also all markets from *Note Fitted on and from Chassis Nos.: B395016692/3, 16703, 16708/9, 16711/12, 16714,16717, 16719/20, 16722-16729 inclusive, 16731/2/3, 16735/6/7, 16739-16743 inclusive, 16745, 16746/7, 16749, 16753 inclusive, 16755/6, 16758, 16760 to 16767 inclusive, 16769, 16772/3, 16777, then from 16779 onwards. Now, my notes. I've included just the sequential part of the VIN. Also, for example, a number like 16772/3 means cars number 16772 and 16773. Also, cars with this bumper used a separate and different number plate lamp part number from earlier cars. As these very late VIN's were built after the end of Tiger Mk II assembly, they don't seem to be used on Tigers. I have a photo of Tiger II number 626 (the last II was #633), and it uses the older version of the Alpine V rear bumper. _______________________________________________ Alpines at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/cdpmbmengle at msn.com From rande at thecia.net Sun Jul 29 20:52:54 2012 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:52:54 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] very late model Alpine bumpers Message-ID: <5015f706.5828.0@thecia.net> Hi, Judging by your description, your car is NOT part of this batch of the tail end of Alpine Ser. V cars. You have the most common number plate lamp setup, like all Series IV, all Tigers, and all but the last roughly 2,500 Series V cars. The original inquiry was about cars that have the number plate lamp actually mounted on the chrome rear bumper, not on the rear lower valance below the boot(trunk) lid. Rande From marcsmall at comcast.net Sun Jul 29 22:08:36 2012 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:08:36 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] VIN break for SV rear bumpers In-Reply-To: References: <50155870.4a92.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: At 09:36 PM 7/29/2012, Chris Engle wrote: >My Alpine has the license plate bracket mounted to the body below the rear >bumper. Is this what everyone is referring to or is mine different than both >of those? Only the benighted in California would regard these as "VIN" numbers. To the rest of the US, they are serial numbers. My registration card for my '84 Audi says, in proper terms, SERIAL NUMBER. The late Steve Laifman and I argued this point for years but, then, he lived in California and, to those who live on the Left Coast, everything revolves around them. Sorry, Jay. I did like your Dad and I miss his peppery personality. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 30 01:08:33 2012 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:08:33 +0100 Subject: [Alpines] VIN break for SV rear bumpers In-Reply-To: <20120730041225.384932D0218@autox.team.net> References: <50155870.4a92.0@thecia.net> <20120730041225.384932D0218@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <+ZE++QIxLjFQFwE9@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> HI Marc, The Sunbeam manufacturers term used is chassis number - stick with that, its factory original and is what it has said on the car for the last 50 years. Forget the benighted California, you can only be officially 'Knighted' at a big house here in England. There are at least 3 factory original rear number (licence) plate lamp versions: 1 - Single Lucas glass dome mounted below the boot (trunk) lock. 2 - twin lights mounted on a plate using the same fixings. 3 - twin chrome dome lights mounted on the rear bumper. Part numbers and Chassis number ranges are in the parts manual. Jeff :-) In message <20120730041225.384932D0218 at autox.team.net>, Marc James Small writes >At 09:36 PM 7/29/2012, Chris Engle wrote: >>My Alpine has the license plate bracket mounted to the body below the rear >>bumper. Is this what everyone is referring to or is mine different than >both >>of those? > > >Only the benighted in California would regard >these as "VIN" numbers. To the rest of the US, >they are serial numbers. My registration card >for my '84 Audi says, in proper terms, SERIAL NUMBER. > >The late Steve Laifman and I argued this point >for years but, then, he lived in California and, >to those who live on the Left Coast, everything revolves around them. > >Sorry, Jay. I did like your Dad and I miss his peppery personality. > >Marc > > >msmall at aya.yale.edu >Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! >_______________________________________________ >Alpines at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $17.25 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > > -- Jeff Howarth From rande at thecia.net Mon Jul 30 07:38:49 2012 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:38:49 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] VIN break for Ser. V rear bumpers Message-ID: <50168e69.6587.0@thecia.net> Let me answer some of these issues, as they occur to me. I used the term VIN, because in this former colony, around 1981, the local Federal colonists, charged with such matters, decreed that all cars made for US sale should have the same type of information in the same position for each car, regardless of manufacturer, to wit the first digit refers to the country of origin ( 1 for US, 2 for Canada, 3 for Mexico, 4 for either Australia or Kentucky - don't ask, I don't know why either, J for Japan, W for West Germany, S for Great Britain, etc.) Tenth digit is for the year model, don't want to explain that here, ask offline. I'm a parts guy, and whether it's BMW or Ford, the term VIN is part of the catalogue process, that's why I personally am used to using the term. Jeff, of course you're correct, Rootes used 'Chassis Nos.'for their parts catalogue. As I had photocopied a Tiger 'Chassis Nos.' last night, I had only to look three inches away from the monitor to verify that. As for being 'Knighted' at a big house, here in the former colony we refer to the 'big house' as the place you are sent to when you are caught 'nicking' both the chassis number plate and the car it's attached to. Maybe, you meant 'big house' in the same vein that the Vanderbilts referred to their 40 room homes in Newport, RI as 'cottages', except you were referring to the Windsors of Buckingham and Balmoral. I.E., no swords nor Queens in our 'big houses", one can only guess. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 30 22:25:32 2012 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:25:32 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] very late model Alpine bumpers In-Reply-To: <5015f706.5828.0@thecia.net> References: <5015f706.5828.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <006b01cd6ed4$86759f70$9360de50$@sbcglobal.net> I recall my Series 2 purchased in 1964 with 700 miles on it had the lights mounted on the bumper and when I bought my Series IV it had them mounted on a bracket attached to the body under the top edge of the bumper. In both cases they lit up the vertical portion of the trunk where the plate was mounted. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: Re: [Alpines] very late model Alpine bumpers Hi, Judging by your description, your car is NOT part of this batch of the tail end of Alpine Ser. V cars. You have the most common number plate lamp setup, like all Series IV, all Tigers, and all but the last roughly 2,500 Series V cars. The original inquiry was about cars that have the number plate lamp actually mounted on the chrome rear bumper, not on the rear lower valance below the boot(trunk) lid. Rande