From rande at thecia.net Sat Jul 2 12:27:20 2011 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 14:27:20 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] Last weekends British Car Day Boston Message-ID: <4e0f6308.61a8.0@thecia.net> I want to thank everyone who could make it to BCD last Sunday. We had super weather, mostly sun and a slight breeze. By the time I had to leave, at noon, we had about 225 cars on display. Chief among them were a red Alpine Series II whose owner I met for the first time, and who lives the next town over from me, and who has owned the car for years, he said; a Med Blue Alpine Series V whose owner I didn't get to meet, but Mr Brennan did; a black Tiger 1A that I haven't seen in the area before;Dana and Marlene Freemans BRG Tiger 1A that they've had since 1967, and along with David Twomblys Tiger 1(which he couldn't bring, but has owned since around 1971), are the most original, spotless cars I've seen on either coast; and Stu Brennans Tiger 1A which did arrive after he replaced all of the brake rubber parts and sorted out another brake issue. The usual suspects, too (MG, TR, Jaguar, A-H) but also 15-20 assorted Lotus Europas, Exige (and a dealer-supplied Evora). Thanks again to Stu and his family, David Kellogg, David Twombly,the Freemans, the two owners whose names I didn't get, and to the Larz Andersen Museum staff for ordering up such a super day for the show this year. RB From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu Sun Jul 3 17:08:37 2011 From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 16:08:37 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] Various rubber trim parts Message-ID: My 1967 Alpine V has a lot of 1967 rubber weather strip bits on it still. But maybe not for much longer. It's a daily driver, so I don't worry much if it has substitute parts. Anyone have any experience replacing the door seal with less Alpine-specific parts? -b From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sun Jul 3 19:54:25 2011 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alpines] Various rubber trim parts Message-ID: <12ecb.2792933.3b427751@aol.com> -b, Why spend your money for weather-stripping that is incorrect for the car and really doesn't fit it? I suggest you support one of the independent small business Sunbeam parts suppliers who has gone to the trouble and expense to remanufacture rubber parts as close to original as possible and made from modern materials. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu Wed Jul 6 15:02:12 2011 From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 14:02:12 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] Various rubber trim parts In-Reply-To: <12ecb.2792933.3b427751@aol.com> References: <12ecb.2792933.3b427751@aol.com> Message-ID: Good point: I would hate to see my local Sunbeam parts supplier go out of business because I've cheaped out and bought some dreadful mis-matched part. On the other hand, it isn't clear that all the Sunbeam suppliers have gone to the trouble and expense of remanufacturing. I expect some simply mark up stock parts at least some of the time. If the thing I am paying for is them knowing which Ford part I can just drop in, so be it, but that is a different thing. And you don't have to ask many questions here to learn that not all Sunbeam parts suppliers supply the same thing. I'm not naming names, but I hear someone's horror story and I'm more likely to shell out an extra $30. But when I do that 15 times, it starts to hurt. Miserly yours, Barry From bmounce at rcn.com Sat Jul 16 11:53:24 2011 From: bmounce at rcn.com (Bill Mounce) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:53:24 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] steering questions Message-ID: <00ab01cc43e1$53a61e40$faf25ac0$@com> Hello all, I have a late 67 SV, and the steering is 'unusual'. I have had it on a lift, and the steering seems quite tight; my mechanic agreed. When driving and going through a turn, it does not want to straighten out when my hands come off the wheel, I need to turn it back. It also wanders a bit on a straight road, but I chalk that up to being an old Brit car. Also, the steering box seems to be leaking through the rocker shaft bush. It had run low on gear oil, I filled it, and the next morning had a handsome puddle under the car. It didn't seem low on fluid, but the swing lever was wet, and it did not appear to come out of the filler cap. The box I have has adjustments done at the outer column. I am hesitant to pull the steering box, is that my only option? Is it a job for a (rank) amateur? Are parts available? Anyone with experience, Help! Thank you, Bill Mounce From rootesrooter at aol.com Sat Jul 16 14:33:05 2011 From: rootesrooter at aol.com (RootesRooter) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alpines] steering questions In-Reply-To: <00ab01cc43e1$53a61e40$faf25ac0$@com> References: <00ab01cc43e1$53a61e40$faf25ac0$@com> Message-ID: <8CE120EB302ABA5-960-B35B@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Wandering on a highway rutted by truck tires is typical for Alpines. It should return to center on its own, though. Sounds like the o-ring around the drop arm is kaput. It's much fun to replace - NOT! You'd be better off to fill the box with lithium grease instead of 90-wt. Did refilling the steering box with oil (however temporary it might have lasted) affect the steering tightness? A long-dry box could do be responsible. It could also be that a PO removed one too many adjustment shims from under the steering box cover plate. (I'm not sure what you mean about adjustments at the outer column) Or its possible your ball joints are desperately in need of grease. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mounce To: Alpine Discussion Group Cc: 'Richard Fritz' Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: [Alpines] steering questions Hello all, I have a late 67 SV, and the steering is 'unusual'. I have had it on a ift, and the steering seems quite tight; my mechanic agreed. When driving nd going through a turn, it does not want to straighten out when my hands ome off the wheel, I need to turn it back. It also wanders a bit on a traight road, but I chalk that up to being an old Brit car. Also, the steering box seems to be leaking through the rocker shaft bush. t had run low on gear oil, I filled it, and the next morning had a handsome uddle under the car. It didn't seem low on fluid, but the swing lever was et, and it did not appear to come out of the filler cap. The box I have has adjustments done at the outer column. I am hesitant to ull the steering box, is that my only option? Is it a job for a (rank) mateur? Are parts available? Anyone with experience, Help! Thank you, Bill Mounce ______________________________________________ lpines at autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $17.25 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/rootesrooter at aol.com From gardner.mb at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 14:44:46 2011 From: gardner.mb at gmail.com (MB Gardner) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:44:46 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] archive Message-ID: Can anyone tell me how to search the archive of posts? -- Sincerely, Michael B. Gardner Cell 216-215-2855 Home/fax 216-991-2701 ________________________________________________ This communication may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Anyone who receives this message in error should notify the sender immediately by telephone or by email. From banana111 at msn.com Sat Jul 16 15:03:31 2011 From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:03:31 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] Steering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, check to be sure somewhere along the line somebody left out or installed backwards the wedges between the crossmember and the frame. That will screw up the castor and make the steering behave as you describe. Brent > Hello all, > > > > I have a late 67 SV, and the steering is 'unusual'. I have had it on a > lift, and the steering seems quite tight; my mechanic agreed. When driving > and going through a turn, it does not want to straighten out when my hands > come off the wheel, I need to turn it back. It also wanders a bit on a > straight road, but I chalk that up to being an old Brit car. > > > > Also, the steering box seems to be leaking through the rocker shaft bush. > It had run low on gear oil, I filled it, and the next morning had a handsome > puddle under the car. It didn't seem low on fluid, but the swing lever was > wet, and it did not appear to come out of the filler cap. > > > > The box I have has adjustments done at the outer column. I am hesitant to > pull the steering box, is that my only option? Is it a job for a (rank) > amateur? Are parts available? Anyone with experience, Help! > > > > Thank you, > > > > Bill Mounce > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Alpines mailing list > Alpines at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines > > > End of Alpines Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25 > ************************************** From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jul 16 16:24:06 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:24:06 -0600 Subject: [Alpines] archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E220F86.2000201@bradakis.com> MB Gardner wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to search the archive of posts? > > http://www.team.net/archive There's a link in every real-time message, but apparently not in the digest. I'll see what I can do about that. mjb. From tom.hill at att.net Sat Jul 16 17:02:34 2011 From: tom.hill at att.net (Thomas Hill) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Alpines] steering questions In-Reply-To: <8CE120EB302ABA5-960-B35B@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <00ab01cc43e1$53a61e40$faf25ac0$@com> <8CE120EB302ABA5-960-B35B@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1310857354.11699.YahooMailNeo@web180409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> How about the alignment? Not having enough caster will prevent the steering from "self straightening". tom hill From: RootesRooter To: bmounce at rcn.com; alpines at autox.team.net Cc: wizzzbang at verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Alpines] steering questions Wandering on a highway rutted by truck tires is typical for Alpines. It should return to center on its own, though. Sounds like the o-ring around the drop arm is kaput. It's much fun to replace - NOT! You'd be better off to fill the box with lithium grease instead of 90-wt. Did refilling the steering box with oil (however temporary it might have lasted) affect the steering tightness? A long-dry box could do be responsible. It could also be that a PO removed one too many adjustment shims from under the steering box cover plate. (I'm not sure what you mean about adjustments at the outer column) Or its possible your ball joints are desperately in need of grease. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mounce To: Alpine Discussion Group Cc: 'Richard Fritz' Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: [Alpines] steering questions Hello all, I have a late 67 SV, and the steering is 'unusual'. I have had it on a ift, and the steering seems quite tight; my mechanic agreed. When driving nd going through a turn, it does not want to straighten out when my hands ome off the wheel, I need to turn it back. It also wanders a bit on a traight road, but I chalk that up to being an old Brit car. Also, the steering box seems to be leaking through the rocker shaft bush. t had run low on gear oil, I filled it, and the next morning had a handsome uddle under the car. It didn't seem low on fluid, but the swing lever was et, and it did not appear to come out of the filler cap. The box I have has adjustments done at the outer column. I am hesitant to ull the steering box, is that my only option? Is it a job for a (rank) mateur? Are parts available? Anyone with experience, Help! Thank you, Bill Mounce ______________________________________________ lpines at autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $17.25 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/rootesrooter at aol.com _______________________________________________ Alpines at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/tom.hill at att.net From JACranwell at aol.com Sun Jul 17 01:55:54 2011 From: JACranwell at aol.com (JACranwell at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alpines] steering questions Message-ID: <3652.27dbcf7b.3b53ef8a@aol.com> It could also be tightness in the idler arm on the opposite side to the steering box. These need frequent greasing. However, it does sound most likely it is the box. I would go with the suggestion of using lithium grease, instead of oil. I've used grease in my SIII box for the past 20 years, and it's still the original box and going fine after 48 years. Julian. From mrtebo at shaw.ca Sun Jul 17 05:48:45 2011 From: mrtebo at shaw.ca (Mary and Ron Tebo) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 05:48:45 -0600 Subject: [Alpines] archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E22CC1D.5030301@shaw.ca> Michael: In addition to what Mark mentioned, you can still access the archives of the list fom1994 to 2000, and there is a wealth of excellent information in there. http://www.team.net/www/rootes/sunbeam/alpine/mk1-5/index.html On Saturday16/07/11 2:44 PM, MB Gardner wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to search the archive of posts? From bmounce at rcn.com Sun Jul 17 12:12:14 2011 From: bmounce at rcn.com (Bill Mounce) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] steering questions In-Reply-To: <1310857354.11699.YahooMailNeo@web180409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <00ab01cc43e1$53a61e40$faf25ac0$@com> <8CE120EB302ABA5-960-B35B@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> <1310857354.11699.YahooMailNeo@web180409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f201cc44ad$0e9a0e70$2bce2b50$@com> Alignment may be questionable, along with the wedge placement. That's my first stop. Thank you, B. From: Thomas Hill [mailto:tom.hill at att.net] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:03 PM To: RootesRooter; bmounce at rcn.com; alpines at autox.team.net Cc: wizzzbang at verizon.net Subject: Re: [Alpines] steering questions How about the alignment? Not having enough caster will prevent the steering from "self straightening". tom hill From: RootesRooter To: bmounce at rcn.com; alpines at autox.team.net Cc: wizzzbang at verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Alpines] steering questions Wandering on a highway rutted by truck tires is typical for Alpines. It should return to center on its own, though. Sounds like the o-ring around the drop arm is kaput. It's much fun to replace - NOT! You'd be better off to fill the box with lithium grease instead of 90-wt. Did refilling the steering box with oil (however temporary it might have lasted) affect the steering tightness? A long-dry box could do be responsible. It could also be that a PO removed one too many adjustment shims from under the steering box cover plate. (I'm not sure what you mean about adjustments at the outer column) Or its possible your ball joints are desperately in need of grease. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mounce To: Alpine Discussion Group Cc: 'Richard Fritz' Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: [Alpines] steering questions Hello all, I have a late 67 SV, and the steering is 'unusual'. I have had it on a ift, and the steering seems quite tight; my mechanic agreed. When driving nd going through a turn, it does not want to straighten out when my hands ome off the wheel, I need to turn it back. It also wanders a bit on a traight road, but I chalk that up to being an old Brit car. Also, the steering box seems to be leaking through the rocker shaft bush. t had run low on gear oil, I filled it, and the next morning had a handsome uddle under the car. It didn't seem low on fluid, but the swing lever was et, and it did not appear to come out of the filler cap. The box I have has adjustments done at the outer column. I am hesitant to ull the steering box, is that my only option? Is it a job for a (rank) mateur? Are parts available? Anyone with experience, Help! Thank you, Bill Mounce ______________________________________________ lpines at autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $17.25 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/rootesrooter at aol.com _______________________________________________ Alpines at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/tom.hill at att.net From jacranwell at aol.com Mon Jul 18 03:14:00 2011 From: jacranwell at aol.com (jacranwell at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 05:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alpines] steering questions In-Reply-To: <00f201cc44ad$0e9a0e70$2bce2b50$@com> References: <00ab01cc43e1$53a61e40$faf25ac0$@com><8CE120EB302ABA5-960-B35B@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com><1310857354.11699.YahooMailNeo@web180409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00f201cc44ad$0e9a0e70$2bce2b50$@com> Message-ID: <8CE134229F50362-14D8-6FCFC@webmail-d168.sysops.aol.com> You should be able to eliminate the alignment by jacking the front wheels off the ground. If still stiff, then it's more likely to be part of the steering system. Julian. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mounce To: 'Thomas Hill' ; 'RootesRooter' ; alpines CC: wizzzbang Sent: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:33 Subject: Re: [Alpines] steering questions Alignment may be questionable, along with the wedge placement. That's my irst stop. Thank you, B. From: Thomas Hill [mailto:tom.hill at att.net] ent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:03 PM o: RootesRooter; bmounce at rcn.com; alpines at autox.team.net c: wizzzbang at verizon.net ubject: Re: [Alpines] steering questions How about the alignment? Not having enough caster will prevent the steering rom "self straightening". tom hill From: RootesRooter o: bmounce at rcn.com; alpines at autox.team.net c: wizzzbang at verizon.net ent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:33 PM ubject: Re: [Alpines] steering questions Wandering on a highway rutted by truck tires is typical for Alpines. It hould return to center on its own, though. Sounds like the o-ring around the drop arm is kaput. It's much fun to eplace NOT! You'd be better off to fill the box with lithium grease instead of 0-wt. Did refilling the steering box with oil (however temporary it might have asted) affect the steering tightness? A long-dry box could do be esponsible. It could also be that a PO removed one too many adjustment shims from under he steering box cover plate. (I'm not sure what you mean about adjustments t the outer column) Or its possible your ball joints are desperately in need of grease. ----Original Message----- rom: Bill Mounce o: Alpine Discussion Group c: 'Richard Fritz' ent: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:46 pm ubject: [Alpines] steering questions ello all, I have a late 67 SV, and the steering is 'unusual'. I have had it on a ft, and the steering seems quite tight; my mechanic agreed. When driving d going through a turn, it does not want to straighten out when my hands me off the wheel, I need to turn it back. It also wanders a bit on a raight road, but I chalk that up to being an old Brit car. Also, the steering box seems to be leaking through the rocker shaft bush. had run low on gear oil, I filled it, and the next morning had a handsome ddle under the car. It didn't seem low on fluid, but the swing lever was t, and it did not appear to come out of the filler cap. The box I have has adjustments done at the outer column. I am hesitant to ll the steering box, is that my only option? Is it a job for a (rank) ateur? Are parts available? Anyone with experience, Help! Thank you, Bill Mounce _____________________________________________ pines at autox.team.net nate: http://www.team.net/donate.html ggested annual donation $17.25 chive: http://www.team.net/archive rums: http://www.team.net/forums subscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/rootesrooter at aol.com ______________________________________________ lpines at autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $17.25 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/tom.hill at att.net ______________________________________________ lpines at autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $17.25 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jacranwell at aol.com