From rande at thecia.net  Wed Mar  3 16:00:55 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4b8eea27.14b5.0@thecia.net>

Hi,

For those into Harrington-converted cars like the Type A, LeMans GT,
Type C and D Alpines, as well as the Dove GTR4 Triumph, there's a 
nifty website for Thomas Harrington Coachbuilders:

http://www.thcoachwork.co.uk/

The site features most of their products, so there's a few 
coaches (buses) in the mix, as well.

From kb9csw at juno.com  Fri Mar  5 15:22:54 2010
From: kb9csw at juno.com (D W Spearing)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 22:22:54 GMT
Subject: [Alpines] Sudden oil pressure drop off
Message-ID: <20100305.222254.24080.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Hi,

I have a 1967 Sunbeam Alpine Series V.  One day I drove it to work and the oil
pressure was find; 45 psig hot cold idle or full bore and it has been that way
since new and through two overhauls, until that day!  I got into town and
stopped at the stop sign and the oil pressure dropped off to almost zero at
idle!  It came up when I revved it a bit but then back down it went.  Yes, the
first thing I did was look at the dip stick and that was ok.

It was starting to burn a bit of oil so I decided perhaps it is time to
overhaul it.  I bored it out to .040 Over and installed new: pistons, bearings
(crank,rod and cam), valves, oil pump, fuel pump, timing chain and gears, and
had the cam reground and lifters refaced.  I checked the running clearance of
the bearings and they are within tolerance.  I also checked and cleaned the
oil pressure relief valve and the oil cooler valve.  Further, I checked the
oil pressure gauge with another gauge and they both read the same through the
full range.

I started it up and when it got warm the oil pressure fell off as before, even
with 20W 50 oil in it.

Any thought as to what caused the sudden oil pressure loss?  Has it happened
to anyone else?


---
73
DE Dave KB9CSW
David Wm Spearing
kb9csw at juno.com




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From jarrid_gross at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  5 15:54:59 2010
From: jarrid_gross at earthlink.net (jarrid_gross at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:54:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Alpines] Sudden oil pressure drop off
Message-ID: <5831410.1267829699833.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dave,

This is a basic and classic problem with these engines.

Your issue is very minor, its a stuck oil pressure relief valve.
Often you can remove it from the filter base, clean it and reassemble it, but
the problem will likely return again someday.

A better fix is to get a new relief valve, but these are very rare due to this issue.

The main problem is the design of the valve and the materials used, they gall up and
the burr will hand the piston near wide open from when the oil pressure was dumping
at higher RPMs.

Others have gotten more clever and disassembled the valve and rebuilt it with modern
unworn parts (new piston, and lined the inside of the tube section).

In any case, provided you didnt run it for long, or under load with zero oil pressure
then there is no long term damage from the problem.


HTH

Jarrid Gross

-----Original Message-----
>From: D W Spearing <kb9csw at juno.com>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 5:22 PM
>To: alpines at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Alpines] Sudden oil pressure drop off
>
>Hi,
>
>I have a 1967 Sunbeam Alpine Series V.  One day I drove it to work and the oil
>pressure was find; 45 psig hot cold idle or full bore and it has been that way
>since new and through two overhauls, until that day!  I got into town and
>stopped at the stop sign and the oil pressure dropped off to almost zero at
>idle!  It came up when I revved it a bit but then back down it went.  Yes, the
>first thing I did was look at the dip stick and that was ok.

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Mar  5 16:18:48 2010
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:18:48 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] Sudden oil pressure drop off
In-Reply-To: <20100305.222254.24080.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100305.222254.24080.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20100305232140.2E9FD187660@autox.team.net>

At 05:22 PM 3/5/2010, D W Spearing wrote:

 >Any thought as to what caused the sudden oil pressure loss?  Has it
happened
 >to anyone else?

You do not tell us where you live and the ambient
weather conditions, as that may have an
impact.  I would have suggested that you check
your oil pressure gauge and its line before
rebuilding the engine.  A dollop of dirt in the
line can cause the pressure to fall to zero
without any real meaning.  And in very cold
conditions -- say, 0 deg F, bits of ice can form
in the line from water trapped in the oil to do the same.

Curt, didn't I write a tech tip on this back in
the longago, for the Sunbeam Car Club?

Marc


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From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi  Tue Mar  9 14:53:16 2010
From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (=?iso-8859-1?B?o2F1cmk=?=)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:53:16 +0200
Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism
Message-ID: <FBF9CACD0D254DA4B2AFFE8F4E8B56FD@lehtipuu224865>

I have an old and quite complex house. Now I have left my workshop manual
somewhere, and I can not reassemble door window mechanism. Well, some
problems are with windshield, too. 

 

Is there an easy access to this kind of info somewhere?

 

Lauri Lehtinen

journalist, engineer

mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988

From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar  9 15:02:20 2010
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:02:20 -0800
Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism
In-Reply-To: <FBF9CACD0D254DA4B2AFFE8F4E8B56FD@lehtipuu224865>
References: <FBF9CACD0D254DA4B2AFFE8F4E8B56FD@lehtipuu224865>
Message-ID: <8B4CE0DA7E334CC083F13D7DA0920CC1@ROSS>

As I recall Lauri you have an Alpine here is a link to the door tech tips on
line.   

http://teae.org/2009/alpinetiger-doors-the-inside-story/

Ross "Commodores Blues" Hulse

To: 'Alpine List'
Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism

I have an old and quite complex house. Now I have left my workshop manual
somewhere, and I can not reassemble door window mechanism. Well, some
problems are with windshield, too. 

 

Is there an easy access to this kind of info somewhere?

 

Lauri Lehtinen

journalist, engineer

mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988

From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi  Tue Mar  9 16:00:27 2010
From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (=?iso-8859-1?B?o2F1cmk=?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:00:27 +0200
Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism
In-Reply-To: <8B4CE0DA7E334CC083F13D7DA0920CC1@ROSS>
Message-ID: <E36DA5A9C8234221879828BFC156EB22@lehtipuu224865>

Thank you very much. This is very essential with left hand window, which
tilts not enough inwards.
I still wonder how to get winding mechanism connected to window bottom rail
at the right side. All links must be in right angle, but how to slide
"rolls" to the rail at bottom of the window, from front or rear or
combining?

I have done this 2 or 4 times, but it takes hours to learn it (and only a
couple of months to forget the steps of work).

Lauri Lehtinen
journalist, engineer
mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988


-----Alkuperdinen viesti-----
Ldhettdjd: Ross [mailto:ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net]
Ldhetetty: 10. maaliskuuta 2010 0:02
Vastaanottaja: '#auri'; 'Alpine List'
Aihe: RE: [Alpines] window mechanism


As I recall Lauri you have an Alpine here is a link to the door tech tips on
line.

http://teae.org/2009/alpinetiger-doors-the-inside-story/

Ross "Commodores Blues" Hulse

To: 'Alpine List'
Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism

I have an old and quite complex house. Now I have left my workshop manual
somewhere, and I can not reassemble door window mechanism. Well, some
problems are with windshield, too.



Is there an easy access to this kind of info somewhere?



Lauri Lehtinen

journalist, engineer

mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988

From jandkstone99 at msn.com  Tue Mar  9 18:48:58 2010
From: jandkstone99 at msn.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:48:58 -0600
Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism
In-Reply-To: <E36DA5A9C8234221879828BFC156EB22@lehtipuu224865>
References: <8B4CE0DA7E334CC083F13D7DA0920CC1@ROSS>,
	<E36DA5A9C8234221879828BFC156EB22@lehtipuu224865>
Message-ID: <COL115-W560DBE98057601E6073B9DCC330@phx.gbl>

Is this what you are looking for?
http://www.rootes1725cc.info/wsm145/cont01.htm


> From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi
> To: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net; alpines at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:00:27 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] window mechanism
>
> Thank you very much. This is very essential with left hand window, which
> tilts not enough inwards.
> I still wonder how to get winding mechanism connected to window bottom rail
> at the right side. All links must be in right angle, but how to slide
> "rolls" to the rail at bottom of the window, from front or rear or
> combining?
>
> I have done this 2 or 4 times, but it takes hours to learn it (and only a
> couple of months to forget the steps of work).
>
> Lauri Lehtinen
> journalist, engineer
> mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988
>
>
> -----Alkuperdinen viesti-----
> Ldhettdjd: Ross [mailto:ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net]
> Ldhetetty: 10. maaliskuuta 2010 0:02
> Vastaanottaja: '#auri'; 'Alpine List'
> Aihe: RE: [Alpines] window mechanism
>
>
> As I recall Lauri you have an Alpine here is a link to the door tech tips
on
> line.
>
> http://teae.org/2009/alpinetiger-doors-the-inside-story/
>
> Ross "Commodores Blues" Hulse
>
> To: 'Alpine List'
> Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism
>
> I have an old and quite complex house. Now I have left my workshop manual
> somewhere, and I can not reassemble door window mechanism. Well, some
> problems are with windshield, too.
>
>
>
> Is there an easy access to this kind of info somewhere?
>
>
>
> Lauri Lehtinen
>
> journalist, engineer
>
> mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988
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From jacranwell at aol.com  Wed Mar 10 09:12:35 2010
From: jacranwell at aol.com (jacranwell at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:12:35 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism
In-Reply-To: <E36DA5A9C8234221879828BFC156EB22@lehtipuu224865>
Message-ID: <8CC8E83A140D635-150C-3E7@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>

Lauri,

As I recall, you need to :

1. Remove the stops in the window channel
2. Position the Window where you can reach the channel
3. Slide the upper bar of the mechanism into the channel, I think you have
more space to the front, as you have the quarterlight width to play with
4. Re-install the stops
5. Attach the winder mechanism
6. Adjust the stops, so that the window is correct at top/bottom. Very
important this, as if the window winds too high, you will smash the window on
closing against the hardtop or softtop rail (yes I've done this!) very messy,
and start again.

Another tip is that there is a difference in the channel shape/size between
earlier models and SV, so ensure mechanism is matched to window channel.

If you'd like me to scan the workshop manual pages, let me know.

Good luck.

Julian.






-----Original Message-----
From: B#auri <lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi>
To: 'Ross' <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>; 'Alpine List' <alpines at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:00
Subject: Re: [Alpines] window mechanism


Thank you very much. This is very essential with left hand window, which
ilts not enough inwards.
 still wonder how to get winding mechanism connected to window bottom rail
t the right side. All links must be in right angle, but how to slide
rolls" to the rail at bottom of the window, from front or rear or
ombining?
I have done this 2 or 4 times, but it takes hours to learn it (and only a
ouple of months to forget the steps of work).
Lauri Lehtinen
ournalist, engineer
obile: +358 (0) 400 851988

----Alkuperdinen viesti-----
dhettdjd: Ross [mailto:ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net]
dhetetty: 10. maaliskuuta 2010 0:02
astaanottaja: '#auri'; 'Alpine List'
ihe: RE: [Alpines] window mechanism

s I recall Lauri you have an Alpine here is a link to the door tech tips on
ine.
http://teae.org/2009/alpinetiger-doors-the-inside-story/
Ross "Commodores Blues" Hulse
To: 'Alpine List'
ubject: [Alpines] window mechanism
I have an old and quite complex house. Now I have left my workshop manual
omewhere, and I can not reassemble door window mechanism. Well, some
roblems are with windshield, too.

Is there an easy access to this kind of info somewhere?

Lauri Lehtinen
journalist, engineer
mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 11 00:28:10 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:28:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Alpines] window mechanism
In-Reply-To: <8CC8E83A140D635-150C-3E7@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <879589.82513.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It was years ago that I had a door not closing and as I watched, the young man
who I was helping to raise, was slamming the door and before I could tell him
it wouldnt close becuse the door glass was hitting the hardtop, he really
slammed it. Seems I fought trying to get the replacement in and finally I
decided if I removed the quater window it have me a ton more room as it has a
channel the window slides up/down in- with it out of the way I could then move
the glass to the places necessary to get the winder rollers back inside the
track- which it seems had to be removed to get the glass out BUT this was a
long time ago and any detail might be wrong. Im pretty sure tho the quater
glass being removed is a major help.
TtT

--- On Wed, 3/10/10, jacranwell at aol.com <jacranwell at aol.com> wrote:


From: jacranwell at aol.com <jacranwell at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Alpines] window mechanism
To: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi, ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net,
alpines at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:12 AM


Lauri,

As I recall, you need to :

1. Remove the stops in the window channel
2. Position the Window where you can reach the channel
3. Slide the upper bar of the mechanism into the channel, I think you have
more space to the front, as you have the quarterlight width to play with
4. Re-install the stops
5. Attach the winder mechanism
6. Adjust the stops, so that the window is correct at top/bottom. Very
important this, as if the window winds too high, you will smash the window on
closing against the hardtop or softtop rail (yes I've done this!) very messy,
and start again.

Another tip is that there is a difference in the channel shape/size between
earlier models and SV, so ensure mechanism is matched to window channel.

If you'd like me to scan the workshop manual pages, let me know.

Good luck.

Julian.






-----Original Message-----
From: B#auri <lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi>
To: 'Ross' <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>; 'Alpine List' <alpines at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:00
Subject: Re: [Alpines] window mechanism


Thank you very much. This is very essential with left hand window, which
ilts not enough inwards.
still wonder how to get winding mechanism connected to window bottom rail
t the right side. All links must be in right angle, but how to slide
rolls" to the rail at bottom of the window, from front or rear or
ombining?
I have done this 2 or 4 times, but it takes hours to learn it (and only a
ouple of months to forget the steps of work).
Lauri Lehtinen
ournalist, engineer
obile: +358 (0) 400 851988

----Alkuperdinen viesti-----
dhettdjd: Ross [mailto:ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net]
dhetetty: 10. maaliskuuta 2010 0:02
astaanottaja: '#auri'; 'Alpine List'
ihe: RE: [Alpines] window mechanism

s I recall Lauri you have an Alpine here is a link to the door tech tips on
ine.
http://teae.org/2009/alpinetiger-doors-the-inside-story/
Ross "Commodores Blues" Hulse
To: 'Alpine List'
ubject: [Alpines] window mechanism
I have an old and quite complex house. Now I have left my workshop manual
omewhere, and I can not reassemble door window mechanism. Well, some
roblems are with windshield, too.

Is there an easy access to this kind of info somewhere?

Lauri Lehtinen
journalist, engineer
mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988
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