From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu  Thu Oct  1 17:26:15 2009
From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:26:15 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] Parts needed: series V license light bits, wiper motor,
 maybe
In-Reply-To: <d0facb1d0909182134y2da01efeud94a3bf4ea421fce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0facb1d0909182134y2da01efeud94a3bf4ea421fce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0facb1d0910011626h7a60bca6h3200126c68401465@mail.gmail.com>

Alrighty, it looks like the motor isn't working, and I need to pull it. My
shop manual is woefully silent about that, and it's pretty clear that there
are a lot of wrong ways. Anyone have good information on pulling the ww
motor and staying sane happy?

On Sep 18, 2009 9:34 PM, "Barry Hayes" <bhayes at cs.stanford.edu> wrote:

I'm going to get pulled over some day for one of these ..
Anyone have an extra lens and the socket with wires? I'm not sure what
that second part is called .. Victoria doesn't seem to have any, nor
Sunbeam Specialties, and I'm a bit reluctant to shell out $200 for two
entire assemblies from Victoria.

On the other hand, I am thinking of trying to kludge these instead.
http://www.radlites.com/billet_mount.htm
Anyone been there, done that?

I also have what seems a lot like a non-functioning wiper motor -- it
seems to be getting volts, and when I apply an external 12V, nothing.
It's going to be ugly if I rewind that myself, and none seem to be
available commercially.
 -b

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From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu  Thu Oct  1 20:10:28 2009
From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:10:28 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] alternator relay rating ..
Message-ID: <d0facb1d0910011910i26b43581ga9168c2b2461f3e4@mail.gmail.com>

My alternator relay looks like a Lucas 33252D, but I find no spec to
match that number anywhere.

anyone know what the max amps it's rated for? 20? 30?

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From jandkstone99 at msn.com  Thu Oct  1 20:48:42 2009
From: jandkstone99 at msn.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:48:42 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] Parts needed: series V license light bits,
 wiper  motor, maybe
In-Reply-To: <d0facb1d0910011626h7a60bca6h3200126c68401465@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0facb1d0909182134y2da01efeud94a3bf4ea421fce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W616774E32057E7F44503BECCD20@phx.gbl>

The Workshop Manual covers this in detail.  You can get them pretty readily on
eBay (you can also get a CD that contains the WSM, Parts Book, and lots of
other info for about $15).  In the meantime, there is one online at
http://www.rootes1725cc.info/wsm145/cont01.htm.  The section on pulling the
engine is here: http://www.rootes1725cc.info/wsm145/wsm_b/b_34.htm  It is a
little hard to read, but it will probably get you through until you can get a
better copy.

Good luck.  It isn't all that difficult.  Most people find it easiest to pull
the engine and transmission together, but you don't have to.  The manual
covers both ways.

Jim Stone

> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:26:15 -0700
> From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu
> To: alpines at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] Parts needed: series V license light bits, wiper
motor, maybe
>
> Alrighty, it looks like the motor isn't working, and I need to pull it. My
> shop manual is woefully silent about that, and it's pretty clear that there
> are a lot of wrong ways. Anyone have good information on pulling the ww
> motor and staying sane happy?
>
> On Sep 18, 2009 9:34 PM, "Barry Hayes" <bhayes at cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm going to get pulled over some day for one of these ..
> Anyone have an extra lens and the socket with wires? I'm not sure what
> that second part is called .. Victoria doesn't seem to have any, nor
> Sunbeam Specialties, and I'm a bit reluctant to shell out $200 for two
> entire assemblies from Victoria.
>
> On the other hand, I am thinking of trying to kludge these instead.
> http://www.radlites.com/billet_mount.htm
> Anyone been there, done that?
>
> I also have what seems a lot like a non-functioning wiper motor -- it
> seems to be getting volts, and when I apply an external 12V, nothing.
> It's going to be ugly if I rewind that myself, and none seem to be
> available commercially.
>  -b
>
> --
> bhayes yat cs dot stanford dot edu is what you should put in your
> contact files -- it'll forward to me no matter where I move
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From w1gsl at MIT.EDU  Thu Oct  1 20:50:37 2009
From: w1gsl at MIT.EDU (Steven L. Finberg)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:50:37 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] alternator relay rating ..
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:10:28 PDT."
	<d0facb1d0910011910i26b43581ga9168c2b2461f3e4@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200910020250.n922obgY003736@no-knife.mit.edu>

Hi Barry

Its not rated for current.  The warning ligth simulator...
only runs the red ligth on the dash....

With the stock 10AC Alpine alternator the regulator is 
solid state and has no internal relays.  If you can't find 
/ don't want to trust the lLcas regulator you can use almost 
any american external alternator regulator.

The warning light simulator was a bass ackwards attempt to save 
a few cents on some diodes in the alternator..  The Lucas part was a heat 
operated relay  and was even less reliable than normal Lucas stuff.

  The standard 
american alternator solves the warning light problem much more eligantely.

If you want a working improvment that looks 
stock there are published transistor circuites 
you can build into an old warning light simulator housing.

Steve F

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Steve Finberg                        W1GSL                       w1gsl at mit.edu
PO Box 397082 MIT Br        Cambridge MA  02139-7082              617 258 3754
*******************************************************************************

From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu  Thu Oct  1 21:00:20 2009
From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:00:20 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] alternator relay rating ..
In-Reply-To: <200910020250.n922obgY003736@no-knife.mit.edu>
References: <d0facb1d0910011910i26b43581ga9168c2b2461f3e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910020250.n922obgY003736@no-knife.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <d0facb1d0910012000u1b26266ara7c10b613c0596a1@mail.gmail.com>

I'm talking about the relay, not the solid- state controller.
There's the controller, the relay, and the. Warning light simultor.

The relay is just a relay so should be rated.

On Oct 1, 2009 7:50 PM, "Steven L. Finberg" <w1gsl at mit.edu> wrote:

Hi Barry

Its not rated for current.  The warning ligth simulator...
only runs the red ligth on the dash....

With the stock 10AC Alpine alternator the regulator is
solid state and has no internal relays.  If you can't find
/ don't want to trust the lLcas regulator you can use almost
any american external alternator regulator.

The warning light simulator was a bass ackwards attempt to save
a few cents on some diodes in the alternator..  The Lucas part was a heat
operated relay  and was even less reliable than normal Lucas stuff.

 The standard
american alternator solves the warning light problem much more eligantely.

If you want a working improvment that looks
stock there are published transistor circuites
you can build into an old warning light simulator housing.

Steve F

*******************************************************************************
Steve Finberg                        W1GSL
w1gsl at mit.edu
PO Box 397082 MIT Br        Cambridge MA  02139-7082              617 258
3754
*******************************************************************************

From w1gsl at MIT.EDU  Thu Oct  1 21:34:37 2009
From: w1gsl at MIT.EDU (Steven L. Finberg)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:34:37 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] alternator relay rating ..
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:00:20 PDT."
	<d0facb1d0910012000u1b26266ara7c10b613c0596a1@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200910020334.n923YbhN005504@no-knife.mit.edu>

Hi Barry

In the stock series V Alpine alternator circuit, there is no 
switching relay.   There is the 4TRregulator and the warning light simulator.

The high current lead goes directly to the starter circuit 
selonide, where it ties into the battery circuit.

Are you refering to the starter solonide?  While the 10AC is only rated for 
35 Amps  the starter relay has to be rated for more than 100A of 
cranking current.  

Steve F

*******************************************************************************
Steve Finberg                        W1GSL                       w1gsl at mit.edu
PO Box 397082 MIT Br        Cambridge MA  02139-7082              617 258 3754
*******************************************************************************

From bmounce at rcn.com  Fri Oct  2 03:10:50 2009
From: bmounce at rcn.com (Bill Mounce)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 05:10:50 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Parts needed: series V license light bits,
 wiper   motor, maybe
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W616774E32057E7F44503BECCD20@phx.gbl>
References: <d0facb1d0909182134y2da01efeud94a3bf4ea421fce@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL115-W616774E32057E7F44503BECCD20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004901ca4340$3e16ccd0$ba446670$@com>

Hint, get a couple of friends and protect the body, especially the sheet
metal at the front of the bay, and the area at the top of the firewall.  As
the motor & trans comes out, even gently and carefully, it will bang the
hell out of these parts.  Trust me.

Bill M.

-----Original Message-----
From: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:49 PM
To: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu; alpines at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Alpines] Parts needed: series V license light bits, wiper
motor, maybe

The Workshop Manual covers this in detail.  You can get them pretty readily
on
eBay (you can also get a CD that contains the WSM, Parts Book, and lots of
other info for about $15).  In the meantime, there is one online at
http://www.rootes1725cc.info/wsm145/cont01.htm.  The section on pulling the
engine is here: http://www.rootes1725cc.info/wsm145/wsm_b/b_34.htm  It is a
little hard to read, but it will probably get you through until you can get
a
better copy.

Good luck.  It isn't all that difficult.  Most people find it easiest to
pull
the engine and transmission together, but you don't have to.  The manual
covers both ways.

Jim Stone

> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:26:15 -0700
> From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu
> To: alpines at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] Parts needed: series V license light bits, wiper
motor, maybe
>
> Alrighty, it looks like the motor isn't working, and I need to pull it. My
> shop manual is woefully silent about that, and it's pretty clear that
there
> are a lot of wrong ways. Anyone have good information on pulling the ww
> motor and staying sane happy?
>
> On Sep 18, 2009 9:34 PM, "Barry Hayes" <bhayes at cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm going to get pulled over some day for one of these ..
> Anyone have an extra lens and the socket with wires? I'm not sure what
> that second part is called .. Victoria doesn't seem to have any, nor
> Sunbeam Specialties, and I'm a bit reluctant to shell out $200 for two
> entire assemblies from Victoria.
>
> On the other hand, I am thinking of trying to kludge these instead.
> http://www.radlites.com/billet_mount.htm
> Anyone been there, done that?
>
> I also have what seems a lot like a non-functioning wiper motor -- it
> seems to be getting volts, and when I apply an external 12V, nothing.
> It's going to be ugly if I rewind that myself, and none seem to be
> available commercially.
>  -b
>
> --
> bhayes yat cs dot stanford dot edu is what you should put in your
> contact files -- it'll forward to me no matter where I move
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jacranwell at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 04:17:39 2009
From: jacranwell at aol.com (jacranwell at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:17:39 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] alternator relay rating ..
In-Reply-To: <200910020334.n923YbhN005504@no-knife.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CC1160B495F990-18A4-2B7BD@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>

If it's any help? the Alpine unit and controller are the same as the Jag E-Type. I've just installed my spare in my neighbours E-Type S2.



Julian.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven L. Finberg <w1gsl at MIT.EDU>
To: Barry Hayes <bhayes at cs.stanford.edu>
CC: alpines <alpines at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 5:34
Subject: Re: [Alpines] alternator relay rating ..




Hi Barry

In the stock series V Alpine alternator circuit, there is no 
switching relay.   There is the 4TRregulator and the warning light simulator.

The high current lead goes directly to the starter circuit 
selonide, where it ties into the battery circuit.

Are you refering to the starter solonide?  While the 10AC is only rated for 
35 Amps  the starter relay has to be rated for more than 100A of 
cranking current.  

Steve F

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From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu  Fri Oct  2 10:00:12 2009
From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:00:12 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] Parts needed: series V license light bits, wiper motor,
 maybe
In-Reply-To: <d0facb1d0910011626h7a60bca6h3200126c68401465@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0facb1d0909182134y2da01efeud94a3bf4ea421fce@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0facb1d0910011626h7a60bca6h3200126c68401465@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0facb1d0910020900j7ec01653q7b9554225cf0e16c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the suggestion, but it looks as if I should have been clearer ..
The *wiper* motor, not the engine ..

As it stands, I have wipers that don't work, a wiper motor that *in
place* doesn't work, but I haven't pulled and bench-tested. So really,
the motor could be fine and it could be anything downstream frozen up,
or dried-out packing grease or something. The motor *is* getting
power, and doesn't have an internal break; I isolated it and jumpered
it.

I'm happy to listen to suggestions, but to me it sounds like trying to
test the motor and mechanical linkage when they aren't tied together
should be the next step, and that sounds like pulling the wiper motor.
I'm hoping I can get at that from underneath, and don't have to pull
the dash or something ..

Thanks again, everyone!

From w1gsl at MIT.EDU  Fri Oct  2 20:02:13 2009
From: w1gsl at MIT.EDU (Steven L. Finberg)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:02:13 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] alternator relay rating ..
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:39:43 PDT."
	<d0facb1d0910012139h6cfde3f4uff8d89ecd131986@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200910030202.n9322Des023583@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu>

Hi Barry

My error,  the field cut out relay is stock but is not in my driver...

It is also part of the   bass aquaward Lucas set up.  
All it does is connect the alternator field to 12 V
when ever the ignition is on.  If I recall corectly the field current is 
<5A ( I don't have the alpine books here... )  Measure the 
field resistance between the 2 narrow terminals of the connector.
The max field current will be ~ 14.5V / field resistance.
All this relay does is to reduce the current flowing in the ignition switch.

Aside from requiring this relay and having a complicated warning light circuit
which modern alternators do not.. The Lucas circuit has one other serious 
flaw,  If perchance you leave the ignition on without the 
alternator turning...  It dosen't put out any charging current.. which
causes the regulator to command maximun field current, which heats up the 
field winding without any cooling ... which burns the field out....  
You are warned...

Steve F

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Steve Finberg                        W1GSL                       w1gsl at mit.edu
PO Box 397082 MIT Br        Cambridge MA  02139-7082              617 258 3754
*******************************************************************************

From cbhlouky at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct  4 14:48:57 2009
From: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net (Craig Holmes)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:48:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Alpines] unsubsribe
Message-ID: <111977.20182.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Please remove me from this list.
Thanks,
Craig Holmes

From landrover780 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 15:23:20 2009
From: landrover780 at yahoo.com (Frazier Hansell)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:23:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Alpines] (no subject)
Message-ID: <933761.52891.qm@web58706.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Please remove me from this list as well.  My email is quite loaded!

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct  5 18:20:09 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:20:09 -0600
Subject: [Alpines] unsubsribe
In-Reply-To: <111977.20182.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <111977.20182.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACA8D39.5010505@bradakis.com>

Craig Holmes wrote:
> Please remove me from this list.
>   
I'm assuming that sending this to the whole list was your last resort, 
since just the
other day the monthly Team.Net subscription reminders were sent out.  
There is
a web link for each list to which you are subscribed where you can 
unsubscribe
with just a click or two.  Of course, knowing how to spell 'unsubscribe' 
helps ;-)

What, exactly, happened when you clicked on the link in that message?  
If there
is an error with the mailman server I'll work on getting it rectified.

Also there is a link at the bottom of each regular message that takes 
you to an
administration page, it is near the top for digests, as well as all the  
RFC2369
headers, such as:

  List-Id: Sunbeam Alpine Discussion <alpines.autox.team.net>
  List-Unsubscribe: <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines>,
        <mailto:alpines-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe>
  List-Post: <mailto:alpines at autox.team.net>
  List-Help: <mailto:alpines-request at autox.team.net?subject=help>
  List-Subscribe: <http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines>,
        <mailto:alpines-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe>


But not a lot of mailers in common use display these headers, though
some do.



mjb.

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 11 09:51:55 2009
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:51:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Alpines] Help with my Humber
Message-ID: <25713489.1255276315775.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear Listers and Dennis,

Dennis Stevenson wrote the following message about a car that he just purchased.  It is a Humber Limo that appears to have a history with the Royal Air Force. He knows little about it and needs help.

These are Rootes Cars (Hillman, Singer, Sunbeam, Talbot, and Humber) that was bought out by Chrysler in the mid-1960s

There is a Humber Blog:

http://www.allworldauto.com/blogs/category/auto-manufacturers/humber/

A brief history can be found at:

http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/rootes.html

1952 was a the last year for the sidevalve six that was replaced with an OHV engine that went into these cars for years. 

We had a very rare Humber estate (woody station wagon)show up at the Palo Alto British car meet built on a Limo chassis and the owner said that he was able to get most parts out of the UK. Check our the British classic car mags like Classic Cars 

(http://www.classiccarsmagazine.co.uk/contact.php) 

and Practical Classics 
(http://www.ewa1.com/mghpc.html) 

for clubs and parts suppliers.

This is a lovely car that would have much more value and interest in the UK or with a military vehicle collector.  This should be considered before making a "resto-rod" - Though, fitting an American six and automatic without cutting(and saving the original running gear) and restoring the rest would be another way to go.  Remember, restoration is usually easier and will make the outcome more valuable.

Can anyone else help Dennis...

Best,

Rick Feibusch
British Car Network
Venice Beach, California

-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Dennis Stevenson <ds122945 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Oct 11, 2009 1:46 AM
To: british-cars-pre-war at autox.team.net
Subject: [PreWar] help with my humber

I have purched a 1952 Humber Super Snipe Touring Limousine . The Limo. has an RAF & SS# under the hood . It also has a Ministry Of  Supply W.V.3. Contract #6 VEH.11174.CCB Plate mounted under the hood on the firewall ! 

I have not been able to find original importer or history of my car but I OWN IT for better or worse.!!!  Its got to be cheaper to fix up than my last divorce !!!   
I plan on restoring my limo but  may make a resto rod if its just a limo.with no historical value. AIR COND IS SURE NICE HERE IN FLORIDA!!!  It is not running and has been sitting in a barn for years. It needs a right rear fender and rear bumber but they can be fixed if no parts are available.   If any one has any idea where I can get any info on my limo 

Please let me know !!!           
Thank You, 

Dennis

From rsdslp at juno.com  Wed Oct 14 19:35:52 2009
From: rsdslp at juno.com (Robert Dobrowski)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:35:52 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
Message-ID: <20091014.183759.-133269933.3.rsdslp@juno.com>

Just a note of warning to everyone. 
Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke aka dugstahlk6ylr. 
I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never arrived and he
refused to file a claim with UPS. 
Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out. They claim that
since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you must be lying.  
Obviously if you didn't receive something you couldn't possibly have
proof. Please spread the word. 
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 21:43:39 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:43:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Alpines] Fw: Re:  Trouble on EBAY
Message-ID: <183503.33094.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Robert- IF he shipped he has to have
> a tracking number. Recontact ebay and request he at least
> furnish that- the place he shipped will have it on their
> computer still- it will prove if he shipped or if he lies.
> Be very firm with ebay- I will send them a letter or sign a
> petition- they sell lots of Beam parts.I dont care to
> threaten a boycott IF they dont at least make him furnish
> the tracking number.
> TonytheTiger
> PS- I have a set of trim rings I bought from a seller in
> Austraila. Expensive but nice. Shiping was high and he was
> too, price wise-not physically. I didnt buy thru ebay. Later
> I found a set I had forgotten I had bought on ebay. I dont
> care if they sell but will do so if you need them- better
> interest in Beam parts than my savings account recently.
>
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> > Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> > To: Tigers at autox.team.net,
> Alpines at autox.team.net
> > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:35 PM
> > Just a note of warning to everyone.
> > Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke
> aka
> > dugstahlk6ylr.
> > I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never
> > arrived and he
> > refused to file a claim with UPS.
> > Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out.
> They
> > claim that
> > since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you
> must
> > be lying. 
> > Obviously if you didn't receive something you
> couldn't
> > possibly have
> > proof. Please spread the word.
> >
> ____________________________________________________________
> > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!
> >
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYbJkavZCcgy4FgeS1Z6LnbLa
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From canisdog at aol.com  Thu Oct 15 05:23:27 2009
From: canisdog at aol.com (canisdog at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:23:27 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
In-Reply-To: <20091014.183759.-133269933.3.rsdslp@juno.com>
References: <20091014.183759.-133269933.3.rsdslp@juno.com>
Message-ID: <8CC1BA10CE9488D-2424-7F5C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>

 You have it back words!  The burden of proof is on him.  File a dispute with
PayPal and they will reverse the charges
and he will have to show proof he shipped it.  This is one of the reasons EB
went to paypal only.  Although they
make money at every turn, they have the power to pull the plug.  Had a dispute
filed on me and they reversed charges
for over $500.  I straightened it out but it scared me!  This is why everyone
should use a Credit Card or PayPal when buying.

Paul







-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
To: Tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 8:35 pm
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY










Just a note of warning to everyone.
Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke aka dugstahlk6ylr.
I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never arrived and he
refused to file a claim with UPS.
Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out. They claim that
since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you must be lying.
Obviously if you didn't receive something you couldn't possibly have
proof. Please spread the word.
____________________________________________________________
Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYbJkavZCcgy4FgeS1Z6LnbLa
GgMiFu63vHaLNe6TNZfkIe0Ltu/
Alpines at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines

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From rsdslp at juno.com  Thu Oct 15 21:03:42 2009
From: rsdslp at juno.com (Robert Dobrowski)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:03:42 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
Message-ID: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com>

Paul,

I did file a dispute with Paypal and they simply stated that if UPS says
they shipped an Item then you received it.
Who knows what UPS did but they will not accept a claim from the receiver
only from the shipper so I lose.
Paypal is part of the problem.
I appreciate your suppport. 

Thanks

	Bob

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:23:27 -0400 canisdog at aol.com writes:
>  You have it back words!  The burden of proof is on him.  File a 
> dispute with
> PayPal and they will reverse the charges
> and he will have to show proof he shipped it.  This is one of the 
> reasons EB
> went to paypal only.  Although they
> make money at every turn, they have the power to pull the plug.  Had 
> a dispute
> filed on me and they reversed charges
> for over $500.  I straightened it out but it scared me!  This is why 
> everyone
> should use a Credit Card or PayPal when buying.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 8:35 pm
> Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Just a note of warning to everyone.
> Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke aka 
> dugstahlk6ylr.
> I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never arrived and he
> refused to file a claim with UPS.
> Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out. They claim that
> since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you must be 
> lying.
> Obviously if you didn't receive something you couldn't possibly have
> proof. Please spread the word.
> ____________________________________________________________
> Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYbJkavZCcgy4FgeS1Z6L
nbLa
> GgMiFu63vHaLNe6TNZfkIe0Ltu/
> Alpines at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines
> 
> http://www.team.net/archive
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
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From jarrid_gross at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 15 22:29:53 2009
From: jarrid_gross at earthlink.net (jarrid_gross at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:29:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
Message-ID: <21117781.1255667393644.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Did the seller provide proof of shipping to you or Paypal?

I have learned several times now to BE SURE to require insurance or a form
of delivery with tracking.

If the seller will not allow you to tack on insurance than you are better off
not bidding.


Jarrid Gross
RootesRacer

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 23:46:26 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:46:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
In-Reply-To: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com>
Message-ID: <735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob- you have to recontact paypal and explain the seller claims he shippd but
has not provided any proof (receipt, tracking number etc) so UPS has not made
any such statement. Be FIRM with them as well. If he is allowed to cheat you,
than I  may be next. I would still like his ebay ID.
TonytheTiger

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com> wrote:

> From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> To: canisdog at aol.com
> Cc: Alpines at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:03 PM
> Paul,
>
> I did file a dispute with Paypal and they simply stated
> that if UPS says
> they shipped an Item then you received it.
> Who knows what UPS did but they will not accept a claim
> from the receiver
> only from the shipper so I lose.
> Paypal is part of the problem.
> I appreciate your suppport.
>
> Thanks
>
>     Bob
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:23:27 -0400 canisdog at aol.com
> writes:
> >  You have it back words!  The burden of
> proof is on him.  File a
> > dispute with
> > PayPal and they will reverse the charges
> > and he will have to show proof he shipped it. 
> This is one of the
> > reasons EB
> > went to paypal only.  Although they
> > make money at every turn, they have the power to pull
> the plug.  Had
> > a dispute
> > filed on me and they reversed charges
> > for over $500.  I straightened it out but it
> scared me!  This is why
> > everyone
> > should use a Credit Card or PayPal when buying.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> > To: Tigers at autox.team.net;
> Alpines at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 8:35 pm
> > Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a note of warning to everyone.
> > Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke
> aka
> > dugstahlk6ylr.
> > I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never
> arrived and he
> > refused to file a claim with UPS.
> > Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out.
> They claim that
> > since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you
> must be
> > lying.
> > Obviously if you didn't receive something you couldn't
> possibly have
> > proof. Please spread the word.
> >
> ____________________________________________________________
> > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!
> >
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYbJkavZCcgy4FgeS1Z6L
> nbLa
> > GgMiFu63vHaLNe6TNZfkIe0Ltu/
> > Alpines at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines
> >
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> >
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 05:56:30 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com>
	<735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091016115652.4D78418787F@autox.team.net>

At 01:46 AM 10/16/2009, Tony Somebody wrote:
 >Bob- you have to recontact paypal and explain the seller claims he shippd
but
 >has not provided any proof (receipt, tracking number etc) so UPS has not
made
 >any such statement. Be FIRM with them as well. If he is allowed to cheat
you,
 >than I  may be next. I would still like his ebay ID.

One large step along the way is to avoid the
shady ladies, UPS and FedEx, and to stick with
the very reliable Postal Service.  The only
significant problems I have ever had have been
with UPS.  I insist on USPS and have never had a problem.

Go with the pros.  Avoid the shady ladies.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From cmeinel464 at aol.com  Fri Oct 16 07:03:14 2009
From: cmeinel464 at aol.com (cmeinel464 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:03:14 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <20091016115652.4D78418787F@autox.team.net>
References: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com><735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20091016115652.4D78418787F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CC1C78281CDBC0-8CBC-6F8@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com>

Marc et All,



Now lets look at this situation from the other side:  I've had a Ebay store
now for about three years and on a few occasions people say they didn't
receive or the part was broken on delivery. In either case we simply confirm
address and reship.  We always use the postal service and they are great, we
track everything showing that the part was delivered.

But, sometimes things got nuts, people give you the wrong address or parts are
left in their garage etc.  I just had a box returned from Austria that was
shipped on August 30th. Improper address, but the address is correct to what
was provided by the customer.  He has emailed me on many occasion accusing us
of taking his money and not shipping the item. Vendors as well as customers
must be able to track items sent. This way everyone is accountable.

In this particular case, after contacting PayPal, re contact the vendor and
insist on a tracking number, if he can not supply one he most likely never
sent it.

Best regards,

Curt Meinel

Classic Sunbeam Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net>
To: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>; Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
Cc: Alpine List <alpines at autox.team.net>; Beamclub <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:56 am
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS



At 01:46 AM 10/16/2009, Tony Somebody wrote:
>Bob- you have to recontact paypal and explain the seller claims he shippd
but
>has not provided any proof (receipt, tracking number etc) so UPS has not
made
>any such statement. Be FIRM with them as well. If he is allowed to cheat
you,
>than I may be next. I would still like his ebay ID.

One large step along the way is to avoid the
shady ladies, UPS and FedEx, and to stick with
the very reliable Postal Service. The only
significant problems I have ever had have been
with UPS. I insist on USPS and have never had a problem.

Go with the pros. Avoid the shady ladies.

Marc

msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
Alpines at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines

http://www.team.net/archive

From boxweed at thebest.net  Fri Oct 16 09:35:16 2009
From: boxweed at thebest.net (boxweed)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:35:16 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
References: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com>
Message-ID: <89BB366535FE47FBA7BDA3C475FD6C38@boxweed>

I love using Paypal because it's the only way I know of to use a credit card 
when paying for stuff from private sellers on eBay.  I've had a couple 
instances where I either didn't receive the item, and when the seller was 
less than accommodating, I simply called VISA rather than dealing with 
Paypal and got immediate satisfaction from them.

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Dobrowski" <rsdslp at juno.com>
To: <canisdog at aol.com>
Cc: <Alpines at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY


> Paul,
>
> I did file a dispute with Paypal and they simply stated that if UPS says
> they shipped an Item then you received it.
> Who knows what UPS did but they will not accept a claim from the receiver
> only from the shipper so I lose.
> Paypal is part of the problem.
> I appreciate your suppport.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:23:27 -0400 canisdog at aol.com writes:
>>  You have it back words!  The burden of proof is on him.  File a
>> dispute with
>> PayPal and they will reverse the charges
>> and he will have to show proof he shipped it.  This is one of the
>> reasons EB
>> went to paypal only.  Although they
>> make money at every turn, they have the power to pull the plug.  Had
>> a dispute
>> filed on me and they reversed charges
>> for over $500.  I straightened it out but it scared me!  This is why
>> everyone
>> should use a Credit Card or PayPal when buying.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
>> To: Tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 8:35 pm
>> Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Just a note of warning to everyone.
>> Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke aka
>> dugstahlk6ylr.
>> I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never arrived and he
>> refused to file a claim with UPS.
>> Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out. They claim that
>> since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you must be
>> lying.
>> Obviously if you didn't receive something you couldn't possibly have
>> proof. Please spread the word.
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!
>>
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYbJkavZCcgy4FgeS1Z6L
> nbLa
>> GgMiFu63vHaLNe6TNZfkIe0Ltu/
>> Alpines at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines
>>
>> http://www.team.net/archive
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> Alpines at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines
>>
>> http://www.team.net/archive
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From sportsix63 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 09:55:45 2009
From: sportsix63 at yahoo.com (jim williams)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:55:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <8CC1C78281CDBC0-8CBC-6F8@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <483041.7431.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm not sure if its the same all over but UPS has damaged more shipments for
me than anyother carrier.




Jim Williams  Lewisburg, West Virginia



--- On Fri, 10/16/09, cmeinel464 at aol.com <cmeinel464 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: cmeinel464 at aol.com <cmeinel464 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
> To: marcsmall at comcast.net, tigers at autox.team.net, Alpines at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 9:03 AM
> Marc et All,
>
>
>
> Now lets look at this situation from the other side: 
> I've had a Ebay store
> now for about three years and on a few occasions people say
> they didn't
> receive or the part was broken on delivery. In either case
> we simply confirm
> address and reship.  We always use the postal service
> and they are great, we
> track everything showing that the part was delivered.
>
> But, sometimes things got nuts, people give you the wrong
> address or parts are
> left in their garage etc.  I just had a box returned
> from Austria that was
> shipped on August 30th. Improper address, but the address
> is correct to what
> was provided by the customer.  He has emailed me on
> many occasion accusing us
> of taking his money and not shipping the item. Vendors as
> well as customers
> must be able to track items sent. This way everyone is
> accountable.
>
> In this particular case, after contacting PayPal, re
> contact the vendor and
> insist on a tracking number, if he can not supply one he
> most likely never
> sent it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Curt Meinel
>
> Classic Sunbeam Inc.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net>
> To: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>;
> Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> Cc: Alpine List <alpines at autox.team.net>;
> Beamclub <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:56 am
> Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
>
>
>
> At 01:46 AM 10/16/2009, Tony Somebody wrote:
> >Bob- you have to recontact paypal and explain the
> seller claims he shippd
> but
> >has not provided any proof (receipt, tracking number
> etc) so UPS has not
> made
> >any such statement. Be FIRM with them as well. If he is
> allowed to cheat
> you,
> >than I may be next. I would still like his ebay ID.
>
> One large step along the way is to avoid the
> shady ladies, UPS and FedEx, and to stick with
> the very reliable Postal Service. The only
> significant problems I have ever had have been
> with UPS. I insist on USPS and have never had a problem.
>
> Go with the pros. Avoid the shady ladies.
>
> Marc
>
> msmall at aya.yale.edu
> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
> Alpines at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines
>
> http://www.team.net/archive
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> Alpines at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines
>
> http://www.team.net/archive

From bhayes at cs.stanford.edu  Fri Oct 16 10:09:58 2009
From: bhayes at cs.stanford.edu (Barry Hayes)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:09:58 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <20091016115652.4D78418787F@autox.team.net>
References: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com>
	<735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20091016115652.4D78418787F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <d0facb1d0910160909w23cccc54ja15ac0a25b605bfc@mail.gmail.com>

If you're dealing with a seller who wants to rip you off, you lose.
UPS, FedEx, PayPal, EBay .. they are just tools being used by someone
who is trying to rip you off. End of story. People who want to rip you
off can use these or other tools to do so.

Someone who wants to rip you off can send you a box with nothing in
it. Everything look FINE on the record, for the seller. All the
tracking, reciept, money transfer. Except you say "I got an empty box"
and the seller says "I sent you the Hope diamond".

All anyone knows is that one of you is a liar ..

From jarrid_gross at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 16 10:44:37 2009
From: jarrid_gross at earthlink.net (jarrid_gross at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:44:37 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
Message-ID: <15845673.1255711477830.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

For me, USPS "the post office" has destroyed more items than the rest combined.

With UPS, the default insurance is $100.
With USPS- zero, nada, zilch.

Ive had packages sent via USPS poorly packaged by the seller, absolutely decimated
by USPS and there is ZERO recourse from either if they didnt insure it.

Food for thought.

Jarrid Gross


-----Original Message-----
>From: jim williams <sportsix63 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 16, 2009 8:55 AM
>To: marcsmall at comcast.net, tigers at autox.team.net, Alpines at autox.team.net, cmeinel464 at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
>
>I'm not sure if its the same all over but UPS has damaged more shipments for
>me than anyother carrier.
>
>
>
>
>Jim Williams  Lewisburg, West Virginia

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 11:03:51 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:03:51 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <15845673.1255711477830.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa
	.earthlink.net>
References: <15845673.1255711477830.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20091016170955.BAA2518786B@autox.team.net>

At 12:44 PM 10/16/2009, jarrid_gross at earthlink.net wrote:
 >For me, USPS "the post office" has destroyed
more items than the rest combined.
 >
 >With UPS, the default insurance is $100.
 >With USPS- zero, nada, zilch.
 >
 >Ive had packages sent via USPS poorly packaged by the seller,
 >absolutely decimated
 >by USPS and there is ZERO recourse from either if they didnt insure it.
 >
 >Food for thought.

Try this one on for size.  Contemplate the
shipping of an item bearing a serial number which
is no longer in production outside the US.  UPS,
FedEx, &c, will take your insurance money but, if
the item is damaged or lost, they'll suddenly
exclaim, "oh, this is a Unique Item, and we don't
insure these!" and will cheerfully refund your
insurance payment but no more.  It is a rotten
scam.  The USPS will insure shipments to almost
all nations save, for some odd reason, to
Singapore, and the rates and coverage are
determined by international postal treaties.

I do a fair amount of shipping older camera
lenses.  The USPS has never damaged a single
shipment.  UPS once left an $8,000 lens in a bush
outside my office on a rainy day, and so much for
"signature required".  Luckily, the lens wasn't
harmed, but that ended my dealings with UPS.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From rsdslp at juno.com  Fri Oct 16 13:45:49 2009
From: rsdslp at juno.com (rsdslp at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:45:49 GMT
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
Message-ID: <20091016.124549.28227.1@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

I checked.
Neighbors don't have it.
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From boxweed at thebest.net  Sat Oct 17 08:50:32 2009
From: boxweed at thebest.net (boxweed)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:50:32 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
References: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com>
	<89BB366535FE47FBA7BDA3C475FD6C38@boxweed>
	<7D217128F312461980E22D258AB17C4F@WIZARD1>
Message-ID: <D42BF38B217E430B86DC25595C8F918D@boxweed>

The fact that I was able to get my money back at least twice by going around 
Paypal and dealing directly with VISA pretty much disproves what your bank 
told you.  Another example of why you shouldn't believe everything you hear.

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Chadbund" <peter at wizardclassics.co.uk>
To: "boxweed" <boxweed at thebest.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY


>I was informed by my bank that paying with a credit card through Paypal, 
>you no longer had the same recourse as when using the card "direct" as 
>their contract was with Paypal not the seller of the goods
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "boxweed" <boxweed at thebest.net>
> To: "Robert Dobrowski" <rsdslp at juno.com>
> Cc: "Sunbeam List" <alpines at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
>
>
>>I love using Paypal because it's the only way I know of to use a credit 
>>card when paying for stuff from private sellers on eBay.  I've had a 
>>couple instances where I either didn't receive the item, and when the 
>>seller was less than accommodating, I simply called VISA rather than 
>>dealing with Paypal and got immediate satisfaction from them.
>>
>> Bob

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 11:51:15 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:51:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
In-Reply-To: <D42BF38B217E430B86DC25595C8F918D@boxweed>
Message-ID: <983351.33429.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The bottom line is that Paypal is a go between- one that gets a cut of the
money charged to your credit card- the rest in installed into the sellers
paypal account. He can allow it to remain there or transfer the funds directly
to his banking account. Minus the fee paypay(who ebay owns)charges for thr
service they provide. I dont personally have much respect for either company
BUT I use them or perhaps truer words would be, I allow them to use me.
The worst part of this seems that if you dont call your credit card, then you
loose your payment and if you are succesful in obtaining a refund, then the
seller, who did provide a shipping number becomes the looser, while UPS, the
people who seem to realy be at fault continue their evil ways.
TtT

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, boxweed <boxweed at thebest.net> wrote:

> From: boxweed <boxweed at thebest.net>
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> To: "Peter Chadbund" <peter at wizardclassics.co.uk>
> Cc: "Sunbeam List" <alpines at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 9:50 AM
> The fact that I was able to get my
> money back at least twice by going around Paypal and dealing
> directly with VISA pretty much disproves what your bank told
> you.  Another example of why you shouldn't believe
> everything you hear.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Chadbund"
<peter at wizardclassics.co.uk>
> To: "boxweed" <boxweed at thebest.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
>
>
> > I was informed by my bank that paying with a credit
> card through Paypal, you no longer had the same recourse as
> when using the card "direct" as their contract was with
> Paypal not the seller of the goods
> > Peter
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "boxweed" <boxweed at thebest.net>
> > To: "Robert Dobrowski" <rsdslp at juno.com>
> > Cc: "Sunbeam List" <alpines at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> >
> >
> >> I love using Paypal because it's the only way I
> know of to use a credit card when paying for stuff from
> private sellers on eBay.  I've had a couple instances
> where I either didn't receive the item, and when the seller
> was less than accommodating, I simply called VISA rather
> than dealing with Paypal and got immediate satisfaction from
> them.
> >>
> >> Bob
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From lists at brits-n-pieces.com  Sat Oct 17 14:24:04 2009
From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken))
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:24:04 +0200
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <d0facb1d0910160909w23cccc54ja15ac0a25b605bfc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAPO6xBf31l1Dm6bMijCNPYbCgAAAEAAAADN71YYOj9BGtxyWHizbp9QBAAAAAA==@brits-n-pieces.com>

Barry,

I've had a complete opposed case shortly. I'm from Germany, bought an item
in the US, paid for it (by paypal), it was shipped but improperly packed
(just a single cardbox for a heavy item consisting of 4 parts). The box was
damaged during transition, one part (a metal bar) made its independent way.
I contacted the seller who said that I should blame USPS (the packing was
really a cardbox without backing). I contacted Paypal and they reimbursed
50$ (the money I had estimated the metal bar is worth) in no time.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Barry Hayes
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:10 PM
To: alpines
Subject: Re: [Alpines] AVOID UPS

If you're dealing with a seller who wants to rip you off, you lose.
UPS, FedEx, PayPal, EBay .. they are just tools being used by someone who is
trying to rip you off. End of story. People who want to rip you off can use
these or other tools to do so.

Someone who wants to rip you off can send you a box with nothing in it.
Everything look FINE on the record, for the seller. All the tracking,
reciept, money transfer. Except you say "I got an empty box"
and the seller says "I sent you the Hope diamond".

All anyone knows is that one of you is a liar ..

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 15:21:17 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAPO6xBf31l1Dm6bMijCNPYbCgAAAEAAAADN71YYOj9BGtxyWHizbp9QBAAAAAA==@brits-n-pieces.com>
Message-ID: <983711.47732.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Eric- I think you are quite lucky. That's the first time Ive heard of paypal refunding a payment or even more so, a partial payment due to poor packaging. I also don't understand why shippers don't consider that thin or even thick cardboard with metal parts don't need more protection. Even wadded up newspaper helps a ton. IF the parts cant move inside the package, odds are increased substantially that the parts will all arrive intact.Perhaps we should ALL remember this. Seems it sets a precedent in my nonlegal mind.
TonytheTiger 

From cdpmbmengle at msn.com  Mon Oct 19 13:45:18 2009
From: cdpmbmengle at msn.com (Chris Engle)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:45:18 -0600
Subject: [Alpines] Hardtop Sheet Metal
Message-ID: <SNT110-DS1236B9B4259B95CCF56FCCB5C10@phx.gbl>

Does anyone out there have a contact for hardtop sheet metal parts?

From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi  Mon Oct 19 15:24:43 2009
From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (=?iso-8859-1?B?o2F1cmk=?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:24:43 +0300
Subject: [Alpines] Hardtop Sheet Metal
In-Reply-To: <SNT110-DS1236B9B4259B95CCF56FCCB5C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C6A5107F9C674892AD67A8366845D80B@lehtipuu224865>

No, I don't. But for your information, I visited about 10 years ago in
Finnish aircraft industry. At that moment they were partly building,
mere assembling F-18 Hornets.
They had in use an interesting method of forming 3D complex
(multi-spherical) sheet metal objects. In that method a sheet metal was
put on a wooden "mould". Then it was covered with a thick rubber cover
and above that cover they set oil with high pressure (maybe about 200
bar).
Result was a very good copy of that form in wood. They said it was then
very suitable for short runs - might that been about 20 - 200 items per
year? That seems to me to be quite perfect way of forming body parts for
vintage cars and motorcycles.

It is a fragile cost of true metal pressing, and much better result if
compared by making it by hammering.

Keep your ears open, our relatives might restore our jewels cheaper when
we are gone....

Lauri Lehtinen
journalist, engineer
mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Oct 24 12:24:21 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:24:21 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] more eBay/idiot lights
Message-ID: <4ae34655.71f8.0@thecia.net>

There's a SET of warning light lens on the SUNBEAM ALPINE listing of eBay. The
red light is real faded, but a good candidate for flipping the lens. Auction
deadline is up real soon.

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 18:13:28 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Alpines] S2 wiring diagram needed
Message-ID: <996110.34073.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm helping a friend who has restored a beautiful S2. Needless to say the Lucas problems have been increased by a PO. Could a S2 owner or anyone having a wiring diagram for a S2 scan it and email me a copy.I'm sure I can get the bugs out but S3,4 and 5 are all the wiring diagrams I have and although many things are wired the same, the colors are different. Any help is appreciated in advance.
TonytheTiger