From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Mar 2 11:14:03 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:14:03 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] BeaveRun 2008 Message-ID: Hi everyone, Hope the new year has found you healthy and ready to enjoy a great year of racing! As we all look at our calendars and plot out what events we are going to I realize that most of you, like myself, will be thinking a lot harder about where we go and what we do. The rising cost of fuel and everything else will cause most of us to stop and think for a few moments. SO, given that I am going to tell you why you must put the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association/VRG Historic Races at BeaveRun on your calendar. This is a must event whether you race on the track, do slalom or Solo II events or just like to come out with your sports or vintage car and watch! As most of you know this event, in conjunction with all of the other PVGPA events, raises money for our charities, the Autism Society of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny School. Over the past 25 years we have given these charities over 2.5 million dollars ( not just raised that amount but actually given into the hands of the charities that much money) BeaveRun is entering it's 5th year now and besides kicking the festivities off we have grown into an event that is hard put to be equaled anywhere. With the years of experience that the PVGPA brings on board and all of the talent and expertise of the VRG we have a group that puts on some of the best and safest racing I have experienced anywhere. Add all of the rest, great people working at the track, paddock, registration, etc you have a package hard to beat. We offer something for everyone that wants to come! For those racing on the track ample track time with plenty of actual races on a track that while so safe it is a great place for a novice, difficult to the point that a slight slip and you are watching your friends wave bye-bye! The track lends itself to quick nimble cars which can show a thing to the big muscle cars that are here. Yet the back straight and the entrance combo leading onto it, can allow the big cars to really get cranked up. For those who want to drive a car spiritedly but for whatever reasons the track is not an option we offer a full weekend of Solo II competition. There is ample parking for those who just want to spectate and the roads in the area are fun to bring your classic out onto. There is plenty going on track side, vendors and displays and the drivers and cars to get to know. The paddock is reminiscent of the tracks from the sixties when drivers and cars were right there and only a fence separated you from the pits and track. Your checks and money go directly to the charity. Checks are made directly to the PVGPA and our gate receipts go to the charities also. So no matter how you come in you are helping people who need our help and having a good time. What could be more quintessential American than a bunch of volunteers getting together with a bunch of normal, everyday people and turning a good time into a good deed. Put Beaver on you calendar and see you there You can get entry forms an more information at www.cloverleaf-auto.com (click the vintage Race Button and follow to BeaveRun) www.vrgonline.org and www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com Ralph Steinberg PVGPA Director of Competition Historic Races at BeaveRun From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Mar 5 23:04:51 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:04:51 -0800 Subject: [Alpines] 1990 - 1994 Lexus LS 400 Question Message-ID: <47CF8983.6020503@mayfco.com> Do any of you have the physical dimensions of the subject car and automatic tranny? I am thinking that would make for one cool motor for my Tiger and be a seriously smooth running mosheen... But I wonder if it will fit. The latest stuff inour u pickem parts place is circa 1975 or so.. so I have nothing I can look at. A web site would also be really good... mayf From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Thu Mar 6 12:34:40 2008 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:34:40 -0800 Subject: [Alpines] 1990 - 1994 Lexus LS 400 Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DrMayf writes: Do any of you have the physical dimensions of the subject car and automatic tranny? I am thinking that would make for one cool motor for my Tiger and be a seriously smooth running mosheen... But I wonder if it will fit. The latest stuff inour u pickem parts place is circa 1975 or so.. so I have nothing I can look at. A web site would also be really good... mayf While a V8 like that may be nice, there is a reason why most non-Tiger conversions are V6s - also crazy smooth engines. If you want to go modern like that, you may want to consider the Nissan V6 in its Zs and G35s. It probably also has a pick-em up truck version that allows for a forward/aft orientation of the engine. Jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. 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From mrtebo at shaw.ca Sun Mar 9 07:00:33 2008 From: mrtebo at shaw.ca (Ron Tebo) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:00:33 -0600 Subject: [Alpines] 1990 - 1994 Lexus LS 400 Question In-Reply-To: <47CF8983.6020503@mayfco.com> References: <47CF8983.6020503@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <47D3ED81.6090703@shaw.ca> drmayf: If you go here : http://www.lexls.com/tutorials/engine/valvecover.html There are a number of pictures of the 93 engine bay, and while the engine looks quite short and compact, it does look as though it would crowd a Tiger engine bay! Hope this helps! Ron Tebo drmayf wrote: >Do any of you have the physical dimensions of the subject car and >automatic tranny? I am thinking that would make for one cool motor for >my Tiger and be a seriously smooth running mosheen... But I wonder if it >will fit. The latest stuff inour u pickem parts place is circa 1975 or >so.. so I have nothing I can look at. >A web site would also be really good... > >mayf >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Alpines at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines > >http://www.team.net/archive From agwh at gcal.ac.uk Wed Mar 12 05:45:43 2008 From: agwh at gcal.ac.uk (Andy Whiteford) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:45:43 +0000 Subject: [Alpines] Clutch pipe routing Message-ID: Has anyone got a photo of exactly how the clutch hydraulic pipe runs in a RHD [uk] alpine, i.e. Does it double back sharply ?? at master cyl and run along bulkhead ?? then down Under / over gearbox ??? A photo of an engine bay would be great. !! You guys with the LHD alpines need not reply.... -A- Ser 3 From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 22:30:57 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:30:57 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Alpines] SF Bay Area All-British Car Meet - Sept 6 & 7 Brisbane Marina!!! Message-ID: <25356986.1205472657828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Gang, As you all know by now, the Palo Alto park is no longer available for our traditional British Car Meet. Just signed to use the Brisbane, CA Marina for the 31st Annual Greater Bay Area British Car Meet on Sept. 6th and 7th, 2008 - Details to come......... I am also working on bringing back a fall meet in LA Best, Rick Feibusch Meet Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Berge Sent: Mar 11, 2008 1:15 PM To: morris_motors at yahoogroups.com Subject: [morris_motors] All-British Car Show The Chico Area British Car Club is hosting the 19th Annual All British Meet on the 20th of April 2008, in Chico, CA Chico is located 90 miles north of Sacramento, CA Preregistration is $20.00 before 10 Apr. Further info can be found at www.chicobritish.org or call Tony at (530)342-1821. Mailing address CABCC P.O. 6366 Chico, CA 95927-6366 __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Yahoo! Groups-[ma_grp_160.gif] Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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Problem is there isn't enough room on the backside for the long bolts and the nuts. The bolts touch the housing on the rear seal and keep the flywheel from bolting down correctly, much less mention any rotational issues. I was thinking of just getting new bolts that are the correct length and just use a tap to thread the holes in the aluminum flywheel so I can screw the bolts directly into the aluminum to hold the removeable wear surface. I'm wondering if there will be any issues with the steel bolts screwing into the aluminum? My guess is that a flywheel doesn't see much more than maybe 150 degrees F in temperature and if I use some locktite to install the bolts maybe this will work. Anyone know more about this who could let me know if they think this will work. The flywheel looks like one from Fidanza, but it was made locally. Any input is welcome. TIA Dan Eiland From jarrid_gross at earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 22:25:04 2008 From: jarrid_gross at earthlink.net (jarrid_gross at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:25:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Alpines] Aluminum Flywheel question Message-ID: <5189717.1205817904948.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dan, Flywheels can get much higher temp than you are thinking. Also, any threads in the aluminum would have to be heli-coiled since aluminum would last too long at the torque values that steel fasteners would require. Most mfgrs today use special rivets to attach the wear plate to the flywheel, not bolts/nuts. I would elliminate the lock nuts, and have a PEM type fastener pressed in from the back. This looks kind of like a "T" and has threads that go through it, and act like a nut in that they contain the threads for the bolt, and wont pull through the flywheel. They are also much lower profile than a nut. Best of luck. Jarrid Gross >I have an aluminum flywheel that was custom made for one of my Brit cars and >it has a removeable wear surface. The company that made the flywheel used >the correct type bolts to secure the wear surface the the flywheel but they >used long bolts that pass all the way through the flywheel and then they >used lock-nuts on the backside of the flywheel to secure everything. Problem >is there isn't enough room on the backside for the long bolts and the nuts. >The bolts touch the housing on the rear seal and keep the flywheel from >bolting down correctly, much less mention any rotational issues. I was >thinking of just getting new bolts that are the correct length and just use >a tap to thread the holes in the aluminum flywheel so I can screw the bolts >directly into the aluminum to hold the removeable wear surface. I'm >wondering if there will be any issues with the steel bolts screwing into the >aluminum? My guess is that a flywheel doesn't see much more than maybe 150 >degrees F in temperature and if I use some locktite to install the bolts >maybe this will work. Anyone know more about this who could let me know if >they think this will work. The flywheel looks like one from Fidanza, but it >was made locally. Any input is welcome. > >TIA >Dan Eiland From cwade at bluefrog.com Mon Mar 17 23:34:04 2008 From: cwade at bluefrog.com (Carl Wade) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:34:04 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] Aluminum flywheel question Message-ID: <47DF625C.9010404@bluefrog.com> From my marine experience, I would recommend installing heli-coils in the aluminum flywheel, then you can use the original diameter and thread bolt size. You would then have no corrosion issues if you are using steel bolts of whatever the recommended hardness is. Get a heli-coil kit for the original bolt size and thread pitch. It should include a number drill of the correct size for the heli-coil tap supplied in the kit. In outboard motors, aluminum is used for the cyliinder block and detachable heads, also the mid-section and lower unit. Stainless steel bolts are usually used for the fasteners. Hardened steel bolts were used in some brands of outboards in the past, and were quite a chore to replace when the service procedure required their removal. Stainless bolts can eventually get badly corroded in place, requiring careful, patient drilling to remove, and usually a heli-coil installation is necessary due to the aluminum corroding away to powder. Carl Wade former owner of Kenyon Marine Repair Williamson, NY (near Lake Ontario) From CANISDOG at aol.com Tue Mar 18 04:29:31 2008 From: CANISDOG at aol.com (CANISDOG at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:29:31 EDT Subject: [Alpines] Aluminum Flywheel question Message-ID: Dan since the surface will most likely outwear you, I would use large press rivets. A machine shop should be able to put them in or you can use the old "backyard Billy" method and pound them yourself. Drilling them out would be easy for a surface change if needed. I would not hesitate using the heli-coil method either as the pressure is lateral on the bolts. P In a message dated 3/17/2008 9:44:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, deiland1 at elp.rr.com writes: I have an aluminum flywheel that was custom made for one of my Brit cars and it has a removeable wear surface. The company that made the flywheel used the correct type bolts to secure the wear surface the the flywheel but they used long bolts that pass all the way through the flywheel and then they used lock-nuts on the backside of the flywheel to secure everything. Problem is there isn't enough room on the backside for the long bolts and the nuts. The bolts touch the housing on the rear seal and keep the flywheel from bolting down correctly, much less mention any rotational issues. I was thinking of just getting new bolts that are the correct length and just use a tap to thread the holes in the aluminum flywheel so I can screw the bolts directly into the aluminum to hold the removeable wear surface. I'm wondering if there will be any issues with the steel bolts screwing into the aluminum? My guess is that a flywheel doesn't see much more than maybe 150 degrees F in temperature and if I use some locktite to install the bolts maybe this will work. Anyone know more about this who could let me know if they think this will work. The flywheel looks like one from Fidanza, but it was made locally. Any input is welcome. TIA Dan Eiland Alpines at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines http://www.team.net/archive **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 18 07:43:16 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:43:16 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] Aluminum Flywheel question References: Message-ID: <005601c88906$696c1840$4001a8c0@lotus61mff> I agree with the rivet recommendation. What is the thickness of the wear surface? The forces working adversely on the wear surface are rotational shear, not forces that would lift the wear surface off the flywheel. Assuming there is sufficient thickness to the wear surface I would consider shuffle pins to prevent rotation, then rivet it to the flywheel. Any competent machine shop should be able to do this. Besides, you'll want to magnuflux the wear surface and dye-penetrant test the flywheel first to insure it's not coming apart or through the bell housing when you least expect/desire it to do so, and after the fabrication is complete you'll want to balance the assembly again. Heli-coils would work, provided there is enough thickness to the flywheel for them to get enough interlocking threads. I would instead recommend a "time-sert" type repair; and a competent machine shop will know the best type for the job. Good luck and happy racing!! Carl Lotus 61 FF, formerly Series 1 Alpine ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Alpines] Aluminum Flywheel question Dan since the surface will most likely outwear you, I would use large press rivets. A machine shop should be able to put them in or you can use the old "backyard Billy" method and pound them yourself. Drilling them out would be easy for a surface change if needed. I would not hesitate using the heli-coil method either as the pressure is lateral on the bolts. P From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 28 09:05:35 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alpines] Fw: [British-cars] Classic names are part of Tata deal Message-ID: <25900943.1206720336202.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Classic names are part of Tata deal Tony Lewin Automotive News | March 27, 2008 - 6:46 am EST Tata Motors will get the right use three classic British auto-brand names as part of its $2.3 billion deal to buy Jaguar and Land Rover. Included in the deal are the Rover name and the Jaguar-owned names of Daimler and Lanchester. Ford bought the rights to the Rover brand name from BMW in September 2006 for >an undisclosed sum to ensure no other automaker could use it and cause >confusion with the Land Rover brand. > >"We acquired the Rover trademark in the interests of protecting Land Rover," >said Ford of Europe spokesman John Gardiner. "So it's also in the interests of >the new owner of Land Rover to have it." > >BMW obtained ownership of the Rover name when it bought the Rover group in >1994. In 2006, BMW refused a request from China's SAIC to use the Rover brand >name under license. SAIC had bought some assets of the ailing MG Rover group >and now builds cars called Roewes in China. > >Jaguar acquired the rights to sell cars badged as Daimlers in 1960 from the UK >Daimler car company that was founded in 1896 and licensed by Gottlieb Daimler >to use his internal combustion engine. The UK Daimler car company also owned >the Lanchester brand name. > >You may e-mail Tony Lewin at autonews at crain.com > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Daimler finally ditches Chrysler following name change > >New brand name is confirmed as Daimler AG > >DaimlerChrysler has expunged the memory of its ill-fated merger with the >American carmaker Chrysler after finally agreeing on a name change. > >Following months of debate, shareholders yesterday approved changing the >manufacturer's name to Daimler AG. > >Despite chief executive Dieter Zetsche's insistence that the company take the >name, shareholders, who had wanted to include Benz in the company's masthead, >were satisfied by a compromise. > >Benz name > >Co-founder of the German company Karl Benz will be honoured by changing the >name of the company's premium division Mercedes Car Group to Mercedes-Benz >Cars and renaming the van unit Mercedes-Benz Vans. > >DaimlerChrysler Bank will also be renamed Mercedes-Benz Bank. > >The changes will see the remaking of corporate material, including letterheads >and websites, and will cost between b,50 - 60m (B#34.6 - 41.5m). > >The decision to use Daimler complies with an agreement struck between the >German manufacturer and Ford in August, which gave DaimlerChrysler permission >to use the Daimler name. > >The Daimler name is currently owned by Jaguar. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >British-cars at autox.team.net > >You are subscribed as rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/british-cars From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 30 10:24:43 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alpines] UPDATED LIST: former BLMC marques + their current owners Message-ID: <2009181.1206897883932.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Stephen G Cooper >Sent: Mar 30, 2008 1:10 PM >To: Arcane_autos at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Arcane_autos] Re:former BLMC marques and their current owners - please add info! > >The Leyland name was purchased and still used by DAF of the Netherlands. The trucks are still running in Europe. > >more later > >Stephen Cooper > -----Original Message----- >From: John Voelcker >Sent: Mar 29, 2008 10:30 AM >Subject: UPDATED LIST: former BLMC marques + their current owners > >I do love the Interwebs ... based on Robert's info, here's an updated list with a couple of educated guesses. > > As for the Leyland brand (used on trucks in several markets, and cars in Australia only), it may have gone to whoever bought BLMC's truck business -- anyone know who that was? > > Mini / Mini Cooper - BMW > Austin - BMW >Morris - BMW >Riley - BMW >Triumph - BMW >Standard - BMW ?? >Wolseley - BMW ?? > >MG - SAIC, China > > Jaguar - Tata >Land Rover - Tata >Rover - Tata >Daimler - Tata >Lancaster - Tata >Vanden Plas - Tata > Alvis - Tata ?? > >best, jv. From aballard at ix.netcom.com Sun Mar 30 10:46:20 2008 From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:46:20 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] UPDATED LIST: former BLMC marques + their currentowners In-Reply-To: <2009181.1206897883932.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I thought Ford bought "Land Rover" for a couple billion $$US. -----Original Message----- From: alpines-bounces+aballard=ix.netcom.com at autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces+aballard=ix.netcom.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:25 PM To: John Voelcker; riley at autox.team.net; alpines at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net; BritCarTalk Group; Arcane Autos Group Cc: D.Andrews at latrobeunicredit.com.au; rjdenton479 at gmail.com; rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Alpines] UPDATED LIST: former BLMC marques + their currentowners -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Stephen G Cooper >Sent: Mar 30, 2008 1:10 PM >To: Arcane_autos at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Arcane_autos] Re:former BLMC marques and their current owners - please add info! > >The Leyland name was purchased and still used by DAF of the Netherlands. The trucks are still running in Europe. > >more later > >Stephen Cooper > -----Original Message----- >From: John Voelcker >Sent: Mar 29, 2008 10:30 AM >Subject: UPDATED LIST: former BLMC marques + their current owners > >I do love the Interwebs ... based on Robert's info, here's an updated list with a couple of educated guesses. > > As for the Leyland brand (used on trucks in several markets, and cars in Australia only), it may have gone to whoever bought BLMC's truck business -- anyone know who that was? > > Mini / Mini Cooper - BMW > Austin - BMW >Morris - BMW >Riley - BMW >Triumph - BMW >Standard - BMW ?? >Wolseley - BMW ?? > >MG - SAIC, China > > Jaguar - Tata >Land Rover - Tata >Rover - Tata >Daimler - Tata >Lancaster - Tata >Vanden Plas - Tata > Alvis - Tata ?? > >best, jv. Alpines at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Mar 30 11:33:50 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:33:50 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] Reconnoitering Big Bear Message-ID: <47EFDD0E.1020200@mayfco.com> I sent a two part message to the tigers and alpines list. I just received notice that it was too long by about 950 bytes (characters) for the Alpine list, and since I have not received my own back from the tiger list it probably flunked that one also. So unless the moderator consents to let them pass, yo wont get them. For all who are trailering up to Big Bear, send me a note and I will forward what I wrote to you directly. You need to know what I found out. mayf From c_mottram at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 15:01:03 2008 From: c_mottram at yahoo.com (Chris Mottram) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Alpines] Get Smart 2008 Message-ID: <858398.26211.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check out this clip from the new Get Smart movie- the Sunbeam action starts at 1:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgSFcBcAto&feature=related Chris ____________________________________________________________________________________ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Mar 30 22:24:19 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:24:19 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] Reconnoitering Big Bear Notes Message-ID: <47F07583.9080200@mayfco.com> Folks, just be aware that the notes I am sending out to those who request them because the list moderator wont let them through either list, are my opinions. Your mileage may vary, lol. I am just trying to be helpful and not trying to panic anyone. But I guaranbtee that had yo started up highway 18 with a trailer yo would have regretted it, lol... mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Mar 31 16:29:50 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:29:50 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] Some Google Earth Photos of Big Bear, the roads, and theResort Message-ID: <47F173EE.5040701@mayfco.com> I used google earth and got three good photos of highway 18 between Lucerne and Big Bear, Highway 18 out of Big Bear and the resort and parking lot itself. I do not know how big the jpg files are but I will be willing to try and send them to anyone who is trailering and wants to look.. mayf