From w1gsl at MIT.EDU  Tue Jul  1 14:52:24 2008
From: w1gsl at MIT.EDU (Steven L. Finberg)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Wire wheel torque
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:48:09 PDT."
	<d0facb1d0806302148m74f6751h553703a05329527f@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200807012052.m61KqOnQ021310@grumpy-fuzzball.mit.edu>

How do you plan to measure the torque? 
Be happy with the hammer, check its tight after a mile or so..

Be sure to clean and grease the spline before torquing.

Steve F

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 I have a 1967 Series V, with wire wheels with knockoffs. From the        
owners handbook I gather that the spec for tightening them is "whack     
them a bunch with the lead hammer". I would rather have something        
measured in lb-ft. What numbers are people using to torqu on their       
wheels?                                                                  
 -Barry                                                                  

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  3 19:08:27 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:08:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Alpines] 2008 VENTURA  BRITISH CAR SHOW - July 27th - Oxnard
Message-ID: <16708386.1215133707951.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The Central Coast British Car Club Presents:

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Channel Islands Harbour   *  July 27th, 2008

Join us for a great afternoon at our wonderful waterfront location at the
Channel Islands Harbour. This year we are honoring the Austin Healey marque,
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Oxnard is but a short and lovely drive up the coast from Los Angeles b Come
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From CMeinel464 at aol.com  Fri Jul  4 11:48:06 2008
From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:48:06 EDT
Subject: [Alpines] Happy 4th !!!
Message-ID: <bcd.2fa7d9a6.359fbc56@aol.com>

Happy 4th of July to all our fellow Alpine & Tiger owners.
 
Curt & Patti
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Jul  5 14:09:06 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:09:06 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] Speaking of Panhard Bars...
Message-ID: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com>

Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a 
panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter 
intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that 
would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel 
hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is 
to keep the rear centered.  If I put coil overs on the rear of my car, 
then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing 
linkage for fore and aft movement.

So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? .  

mayf

From hamilton at accesswave.ca  Sat Jul  5 15:52:55 2008
From: hamilton at accesswave.ca (Bob Hamilton)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:52:55 -0300
Subject: [Alpines] Speaking of Panhard Bars...
In-Reply-To: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com>
References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <6t3dkg$7rphh9@ip02.eastlink.ca>

   Hi Terry,
   Yes,  the  MK Alpines and Sunbeam Talbots (early to mid 50's) all have
   Panhard bars and rear springs with 13 leaves! Yes, 13! I would suspect
   that  on  hard  cornering (like Stirling Moss did on these cars in the
   Alpine  Rally),  it  would keep the springs vertical rather than twist
   sideways. I am not sure if they continued these in the Series cars.
   Regards,
   Bob
   At 05:09 PM 7/5/2008, drmayf wrote:

     Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a
     panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter
     intuitive  to  me.  The  leaf springs keep the rear end located and
     that
     would  seem  to  make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about
     wheel
     hop,  but  a  panhard  bar  or  any  other kind of lateral location
     linkage is
     to  keep  the rear centered.  If I put coil overs on the rear of my
     car,
     then,  yeah,  a  locating  bar  would  be  needed,  as well as some
     trailing
     linkage for fore and aft movement.
     So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? .
     mayf

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Robert (Bob) A.C. Hamilton, Waverley, Nova Scotia, Canada
   Sunbeam Talbots - Alpine, Drophead and Saloon, 1953-1954
   Sunbeam Talbot Web Page: www.sunbeamtalbot.info (or .org)
   E-Mail: hamilton at accesswave.ca or robertach at ns.sympatico.ca
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Sat Jul  5 15:54:56 2008
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:54:56 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars...
In-Reply-To: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com>
References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20080705220338.8D07418767A@autox.team.net>

At 04:09 PM 7/5/2008, drmayf wrote:
 >Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a
 >panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter
 >intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that
 >would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel
 >hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is
 >to keep the rear centered.  If I put coil overs on the rear of my car,
 >then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing
 >linkage for fore and aft movement.
 >
 >So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? .


The much more civilized Alpine did not need a
Panhard Rod to produce manueverability which, all
else being equal, routinely leaves Tigers in the
dust on any sort of decent back road.

The original Tigers were produced by mushing up
Alpine bodies and the only suspension
modifications were those necessary to fit that
ungainly Ford mill into a decently sized engine
compartment.  Hence, the rear suspension remained
the same -- a torn rotator cuff (damn!  there
goes my career pitching for the Atlanta Braves,
and I really WAS looking forward to a perfect
World Series game against the detestable Yankees
or the even more detestable Boston Dead Sox)
makes it hard for me to dig out my parts
manuals.  I suspect without checking these that
the Alpine IIIa/IV rear springs were identical to
those on the Alpine 260 if not for those on the Alpine V and Tiger II.

If you upgrade your rear springs to something
more in line with that unGodly amount of power
that barbaric engine provides, a Panhard Rod becomes unnecessary.

(The above is all written in good fun save for
the cmments about the Yankees and the Boston
Morons, and, yes, I grin as I write these
words.  You guys all live on the Left Coast and
therefore have no knowledge of REAL baseball.)

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Jul  5 17:33:06 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:33:06 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars...
In-Reply-To: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> 
References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> 
Message-ID: <487004B2.6050709@mayfco.com>

What's baseball?  And I certainly agreee with you on the steering part 
of an Alpine!  While it looks odd, it at least works! Heck, maybe we can 
get a challenge race going, eh? Something like the gumball ralley but 
only for Alpines and Tigers? Say coast to coast on just back roads? Hey 
that might be fun!

and thanks for the tongue in cheek comments, it's fun

mayf
Marc James Small wrote:

> At 04:09 PM 7/5/2008, drmayf wrote:
> >Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a
> >panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter
> >intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that
> >would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel
> >hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is
> >to keep the rear centered.  If I put coil overs on the rear of my car,
> >then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing
> >linkage for fore and aft movement.
> >
> >So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? .
>
>
> The much more civilized Alpine did not need a Panhard Rod to produce 
> manueverability which, all else being equal, routinely leaves Tigers 
> in the dust on any sort of decent back road.
>
> The original Tigers were produced by mushing up Alpine bodies and the 
> only suspension modifications were those necessary to fit that 
> ungainly Ford mill into a decently sized engine compartment.  Hence, 
> the rear suspension remained the same -- a torn rotator cuff (damn!  
> there goes my career pitching for the Atlanta Braves, and I really WAS 
> looking forward to a perfect World Series game against the detestable 
> Yankees or the even more detestable Boston Dead Sox) makes it hard for 
> me to dig out my parts manuals.  I suspect without checking these that 
> the Alpine IIIa/IV rear springs were identical to those on the Alpine 
> 260 if not for those on the Alpine V and Tiger II.
>
> If you upgrade your rear springs to something more in line with that 
> unGodly amount of power that barbaric engine provides, a Panhard Rod 
> becomes unnecessary.
>
> (The above is all written in good fun save for the cmments about the 
> Yankees and the Boston Morons, and, yes, I grin as I write these 
> words.  You guys all live on the Left Coast and therefore have no 
> knowledge of REAL baseball.)
>
> Marc
>
>
> msmall at aya.yale.edu
> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Sat Jul  5 21:24:25 2008
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 23:24:25 EDT
Subject: [Alpines] [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars...
Message-ID: <c09.3c7b5cb9.35a194e9@aol.com>

marcsmall at comcast.net writes:

> Hence, the rear suspension remained the same -- 

Geez, except ................. the Works added one leaf to the rear stack of 
the Tiger (just like the Hillman Minx suspension V the Sunbeam Rapier) and 
then balanced it using stiffer front springs... so, it was not the same, nor was 
either car ultimately developed properly by the Works.

Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle


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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jul  6 09:22:14 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:22:14 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars...
In-Reply-To: <0F8707D1C38E461D9C5C8AF15B2FFF8F@xpseay>
References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com>
	<0F8707D1C38E461D9C5C8AF15B2FFF8F@xpseay>
Message-ID: <4870E326.6040606@mayfco.com>

Hmmm, yes, that may or may not have been the impetus for the bar.  
However, the function of a panhard bar is to locate the rear end  in the 
center of the car's frame. The end points of the bar should be mounted 
such that they are parallel with the axle tubes. Done this way there is 
very little displacement of the rear end when it moves up and down with 
the suspension. Hopwever, whether MKI or MKII the Tiger bar is mounted 
so badly that it tries to cause a large displacement of the rear end. 
The springs prevent any large movement however and this causes the end 
attached to the frame to cause flexing and eventual failure of the frame 
bracket.   Was this one of the mods originally built into one of the 
prototypes? Who thought that this device was even needed...same guy who 
installed the "bent" R&P steering tie rods?  Did car number 1 have a 
panhard bar?

Interesting stuff trying to get into the heads of those in charge of 
such decisions..

l8r

mayf
Will Seay wrote:

>mayf,
>
>I think the idea behind the Panhard rod is to keep the rear end and axle 
>from rotating on torque reaction.  When lots of torque is transmitted to the 
>rear end, it tends to rotate (in the axis along the drive shaft).  This 
>results in applying more pressure to one spring and less to the other.  Not 
>a good thing.  The Panhard rod is supposed to keep this from happening. 
>When the rear end tries to rotate, the Panhard rod is supposed to go into 
>tension (or is it compression?) to keep the rear end from rotating.  Our 
>Limey friends, when they put a Panhard rod in the Tiger, assumed that the 
>Ford engine rotated in the same direction that British engines do.  Well it 
>doesn't.  As a result, MK1 and MK1A Tigers have the Panhard rod attached to 
>the wrong side of the car.  Maybe it has something to do with driving on the 
>wrong side of the road or something like that.  I guess the arrangement 
>would be correct for an Alpine, if they put a Panhard rod on the Alpine. 
>Anyhow, in a MK1/1A the Panhard rod pushes when it should pull.  Maybe 
>that's why they like to tear out, but I doubt it.  This was corrected in the 
>MKII.
>
>- Will B382001570
>____________________________
>Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; "Alpines" <alpines at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:09 PM
>Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars...
>
>
>Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a
>panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter
>intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that
>would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel
>hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is
>to keep the rear centered.  If I put coil overs on the rear of my car,
>then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing
>linkage for fore and aft movement.
>
>So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? .
>
>mayf
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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 16 16:08:13 2008
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:08:13 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] the Sunbeam Name...
Message-ID: <BAY114-W8BE9176062475A8604812AA8F0@phx.gbl>

I saw a posting on the Sunbeam Alpine website
(http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8641) a few minutes ago
about a Sunbeam scooter.

They seem to be using the Sunbeam name and history as there own.

Below are a couple links I found...

http://www.sunbeamamerica.com/index.html

https://www.tapadapters.com/splashPage.hg

http://www.netlook.com/jump/pvt.cfm?nl=AT10461027&usid=1021


This seems to be along the lines of what happened a couple years ago
(2005/2006?). Did it ever get resolved?

Paul
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From JACranwell at aol.com  Thu Jul 17 03:18:24 2008
From: JACranwell at aol.com (JACranwell at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:18:24 EDT
Subject: [Alpines] Le Mans Classic Event 2008
Message-ID: <c06.3d00b65f.35b06860@aol.com>

I had the most fantastic time at the Le Mans Classic this weekend.

There was a massive turnout of Alpines and Tigers, and I spotted at least 100 
of them, mostly from the UK.

On the track, both Harrington (3000 RW) and Alpine (9201 RW) were 
represented, and did very well, a few shots of these can be seen in the links below.

The Lister Tiger was not at this years event, as it was (and spun out 
spectacularly into the gravel) in 2006. It may have been at the Goodwood Festival of 
Speed, which for some daft reason was the same W/E.


9201 RW in the Pits
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30045654&l=03aba&id=1331721244

3000 RW in the Pits
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30045659&l=d816f&id=1331721244

9201 RW on track, grid 4
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30045663&l=4c64c&id=1331721244

3000 RW on Track, grid 3
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30045662&l=1667b&id=1331721244

My SIII going under the Dunlop bridge during the parade/race
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30045681&l=665b6&id=1331721244


Results for the event can be found at : 
http://www.lemansclassic.com/2008/uk/surLaPiste_resultats.html

9201 RW came in 2nd overall for grid 4, and 3000 RW a respectable 38th in 
grid 3.

I got to race a few laps with the amateurs on Saturday AM, and got the old 
girl up to 118MPH on the Mulsanne straight, not bad considering I was carrying 2 
passengers. We overtook a few E-types, Morgans and Alfas on the way round. 
Absolutely awesome.

Just the run down and back was huge fun, and the number of classics being 
driven down there is just mind-blowing.

I travelled down with a bunch of mates in a variety of classic, including 2 
XK120 lightweights, and a couple of TRs. Photo of the posse at:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30045668&l=8c91a&id=1331721244


Anyone signed up to Facebook can enjoy an awesome, and growing collection of 
photos, and videos, including one of my Alpine on track at the page for: 
Lemans Posse.You may have to become a friend of Lemans Posse, or some such.

Enjoy, and if you've not made it to this event yet, put it in the diary for 
2010.

Julian.

From rootesalpine at aol.com  Fri Jul 18 18:11:55 2008
From: rootesalpine at aol.com (rootesalpine at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:55 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Brake switch and door window questions
Message-ID: <8CAB74B2FC1A6F0-1548-3608@webmail-nf18.sim.aol.com>

I want to install a mechanical brake light switch to my brake pedal and I am
wondering if anyone here has a suggestion regarding what kind of switch works
well and mounts easily. B  I am thinking of a deadman switch such as in the
seat of a riding lawnmower. B they are B heavy duty and can hold up to being
stepped on. B If I could figure how to mount it on the pedal lever just above
the pedal cushion where my foot would contact both.



Second question, I need to replace my door window. B I have read the manual
for removal and installation and frankly it makes no sense to me at all.
B Does anyone have the magic trick?




Rob Carpenter

Series V

Poulsbo WA

From rande at thecia.net  Sun Jul 20 07:31:07 2008
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:31:07 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Harrington Lemans V8
Message-ID: <48833e1b.30af.0@thecia.net>

Has anyone else noticed the story in the July 2008 edition of Classic and Sportscar,
the UK magazine.

In Michael Ware's column, Lost & Found (pg 28), he describes a 1962 Harrington
Lemans that John Horsman (part of JW Automotive Engineering, the Ford GT developers)
took to Des O'Dell to have a Tiger bulkhead and transmission tunnel fitted.
According to the story, a  Ford GT spec 289 was installed and and the car was
used as a test mule for engine modifications during the Ford GT racing program.
Concurrently, it was also Horsman's daily driver.

Again according to the article, two UK 'enthusiasts" are planning its restoration.


Looking at the front view of the car, the LH wing doesn't have a hole for the
round indicator of a Harrington, and the RH wing looks to be one from a Series
IV or V Alpine with the larger directional mounting hole.

The pictures remind me of the supposed faux Harrington Tiger pictures of a dusty
car in a lockup from several years ago.

Anyone have any more info about the C&SC car other than what Michael Ware wrote
about?

Rande Bellman
B382000048

From sunbeam.alpine at swipnet.se  Sun Jul 20 08:29:58 2008
From: sunbeam.alpine at swipnet.se (Sunbeam Alpine)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:29:58 +0200
Subject: [Alpines] Harrington Lemans V8
References: <48833e1b.30af.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <002501c8ea75$16c60ad0$0401a8c0@harringt9626a9>

Hi,
It's for sale, check out www.sussexsportscars.co.uk
cheers
Jan
www.harringtonalpine.org

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From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Cc: <alpines at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: [Alpines] Harrington Lemans V8


> Has anyone else noticed the story in the July 2008 edition of Classic and 
> Sportscar,
> the UK magazine.
>
> In Michael Ware's column, Lost & Found (pg 28), he describes a 1962 
> Harrington
> Lemans that John Horsman (part of JW Automotive Engineering, the Ford GT 
> developers)
> took to Des O'Dell to have a Tiger bulkhead and transmission tunnel 
> fitted.
> According to the story, a  Ford GT spec 289 was installed and and the car 
> was
> used as a test mule for engine modifications during the Ford GT racing 
> program.
> Concurrently, it was also Horsman's daily driver.
>
> Again according to the article, two UK 'enthusiasts" are planning its 
> restoration.
>
>
> Looking at the front view of the car, the LH wing doesn't have a hole for 
> the
> round indicator of a Harrington, and the RH wing looks to be one from a 
> Series
> IV or V Alpine with the larger directional mounting hole.
>
> The pictures remind me of the supposed faux Harrington Tiger pictures of a 
> dusty
> car in a lockup from several years ago.
>
> Anyone have any more info about the C&SC car other than what Michael Ware 
> wrote
> about?
>
> Rande Bellman
> B382000048
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From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Sun Jul 20 11:06:18 2008
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:06:18 +0100
Subject: [Alpines] Harrington Lemans V8
In-Reply-To: <48833e1b.30af.0@thecia.net>
References: <48833e1b.30af.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <HPysCSEKC3gIFwrS@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

HI Rande,


its the same car as in Norms book.

At the end of the day I guess its an Alger conversion with a Harrington 
roof!!!

I spoke to the seller who seemed to think that it was worth 
significantly more than a Le Mans or Tiger
I think the history he gives may be true or have some truth in it, but 
it doesn't make it a factory rally car.

regards

Jeff

In message <48833e1b.30af.0 at thecia.net>, rande <rande at thecia.net> writes
>Has anyone else noticed the story in the July 2008 edition of Classic 
>and Sportscar,
>the UK magazine.
>
>In Michael Ware's column, Lost & Found (pg 28), he describes a 1962 Harrington
>Lemans that John Horsman (part of JW Automotive Engineering, the Ford 
>GT developers)
>took to Des O'Dell to have a Tiger bulkhead and transmission tunnel fitted.
>According to the story, a  Ford GT spec 289 was installed and and the car was
>used as a test mule for engine modifications during the Ford GT racing program.
>Concurrently, it was also Horsman's daily driver.
>
>Again according to the article, two UK 'enthusiasts" are planning its 
>restoration.
>
>
>Looking at the front view of the car, the LH wing doesn't have a hole for the
>round indicator of a Harrington, and the RH wing looks to be one from a Series
>IV or V Alpine with the larger directional mounting hole.
>
>The pictures remind me of the supposed faux Harrington Tiger pictures 
>of a dusty
>car in a lockup from several years ago.
>
>Anyone have any more info about the C&SC car other than what Michael Ware wrote
>about?
>
>Rande Bellman
>B382000048
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From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 20 19:30:16 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:30:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Alpines] Update - SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA BRITISH CAR MEET - Sept.
 6 & 7, 2008
Message-ID: <9361285.1216603816543.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

THE  BRITISH  CAR  MEET * 2008
Sierra Point Marina  *  Brisbane, CA
Saturday & Sunday * September 6th & 7th

Dear NorCal British Car Enthusiast,

The Sierra Point British Car Meet in Brisbane is coming along great - This
year, the food and drink will be handled by the Brisbane Lions Club, that will
have their grill trailer with burgers, dogs, and (hopefully) bangers all day
plus cold drinks, but get this!!!  The Sierra Point Yacht Club will open their
doors early on Sunday for a reasonable, sit-down, prix fix breakfast, AND,
they also have a full bar that will be open all day as well ......

Herb Gibson's Jazz Orchestra will be back again, set up just outside the Yacht
Club.

Due to a number of reasons, the Saturday swap meet has been canceled for this
year, but it will seriously be reconsidered for next year.

Even though this event is brought to you by the same folks who coordinated the
Palo Alto Meet for 30 years, this is a new location with new challenges and
requirements and we are working hard to provide a similar event at a
reasonable price. This year, we are going back to collectable year-specific
event coffee mugs for gifts.

If you belong to a club, make sure the general membership knows about this
Sierra Point meet - meet old friends in a new location - carrying on the
tradition.

Cheers,

Rick Feibusch
Meet Coordinator

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -  - - - - - - - - -


THE  BRITISH  CAR  MEET * 2008
Sierra Point Marina  *  Brisbane, CA
Saturday & Sunday * September 6th & 7th

Join us for one of the most historic British automotive events in California
at
our new dockside venue at the Sierra Point Marina.  Over 400 quirky, classic,
and
thoroughly lovable British cars are once again expected to grace the lawn and
adjacent
parking area in Brisbane, California. This is essentially the old Palo Alto
meet
in its new location. We are also expecting another great display of automotive
oddities
provided by the Arcane Auto Society. Spectators attend and park for free.

SUNDAY SHOW - SEPTEMBER 7th

Join your British car friends for a smashing day at the Marina. Don't have a
show car? Don't worry! Daily drivers, vintage racers, street rods and
works-in-progress
are as welcome as Concours quality show cars.  British food, jazz, & more fun
than you'll be able to tolerate!  Awards in many classes. There will be no
preregistration
- all entrants will receive a commemorative gift. Cars will be placed at
9:00AM
and the fun goes on all day.  The registration fee is still $25 per car at the
gate.

SATURDAY TOUR - SEPTEMBER 6th

The British Car Meet TOUR TO THE SEA starts at the Sierra Point Marina
boathouse
(the same place as the Sunday Car Show) and winds through the hills to the
sea.
Itbs no-cost option for people who like to drive their cars as well as show
them.
We will be sending cars off between 9:00AM and 10:30AM.  A map will be
provided.
The tour ends at Cameron's Pub in Half Moon Bay where we will be kicking
tyres
and telling tall tales in the car park well into the afternoon.

DIRECTIONS:

The Brisbane Marina is lacated just east of the Bayshore Freeway (101) between
San
Francisco and the SF Airport/Highway 380. Just  take the Sierra Point Exit and
follow
the signs to the Marina. Trailer parking will be available on-site.

Call for information:  310-392-6605
e-mail: Sierra Point Marina Britmeet <rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net>

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 21 10:52:35 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:52:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Alpines] Update - SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA BRITISH CAR MEET - Sept.
 6 & 7, 2008
Message-ID: <11820353.1216659155201.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

THE  BRITISH  CAR  MEET * 2008
Sierra Point Marina  *  Brisbane, CA
Saturday & Sunday * September 6th & 7th

Dear NorCal British Car Enthusiast,

The Sierra Point British Car Meet in Brisbane is coming along great - This
year, the food and drink will be handled by the Brisbane Lions Club, that will
have their grill trailer with burgers, dogs, and (hopefully) bangers all day
plus cold drinks, but get this!!!  The Sierra Point Yacht Club will open their
doors early on Sunday for a reasonable, sit-down, prix fix breakfast, AND,
they also have a full bar that will be open all day as well ......

Herb Gibson's Jazz Orchestra will be back again, set up just outside the Yacht
Club.

Due to a number of reasons, the Saturday swap meet has been canceled for this
year, but it will seriously be reconsidered for next year.

Even though this event is brought to you by the same folks who coordinated the
Palo Alto Meet for 30 years, this is a new location with new challenges and
requirements and we are working hard to provide a similar event at a
reasonable price. This year, we are going back to collectable year-specific
event coffee mugs for gifts.

If you belong to a club, make sure the general membership knows about this
Sierra Point meet - meet old friends in a new location - carrying on the
tradition.

Cheers,

Rick Feibusch
Meet Coordinator

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -  - - - - - - - - -


THE  BRITISH  CAR  MEET * 2008
Sierra Point Marina  *  Brisbane, CA
Saturday & Sunday * September 6th & 7th

Join us for one of the most historic British automotive events in California
at
our new dockside venue at the Sierra Point Marina.  Over 400 quirky, classic,
and
thoroughly lovable British cars are once again expected to grace the lawn and
adjacent
parking area in Brisbane, California. This is essentially the old Palo Alto
meet
in its new location. We are also expecting another great display of automotive
oddities
provided by the Arcane Auto Society. Spectators attend and park for free.

SUNDAY SHOW - SEPTEMBER 7th

Join your British car friends for a smashing day at the Marina. Don't have a
show car? Don't worry! Daily drivers, vintage racers, street rods and
works-in-progress
are as welcome as Concours quality show cars.  British food, jazz, & more fun
than you'll be able to tolerate!  Awards in many classes. There will be no
preregistration
- all entrants will receive a commemorative gift. Cars will be placed at
9:00AM
and the fun goes on all day.  The registration fee is still $25 per car at the
gate.

SATURDAY TOUR - SEPTEMBER 6th

The British Car Meet TOUR TO THE SEA starts at the Sierra Point Marina
boathouse
(the same place as the Sunday Car Show) and winds through the hills to the
sea.
Itbs no-cost option for people who like to drive their cars as well as show
them.
We will be sending cars off between 9:00AM and 10:30AM.  A map will be
provided.
The tour ends at Cameron's Pub in Half Moon Bay where we will be kicking
tyres
and telling tall tales in the car park well into the afternoon.

DIRECTIONS:

The Brisbane Marina is lacated just east of the Bayshore Freeway (101) between
San
Francisco and the SF Airport/Highway 380. Just  take the Sierra Point Exit and
follow
the signs to the Marina. Trailer parking will be available on-site.

Call for information:  310-392-6605
e-mail: Sierra Point Marina Britmeet <rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net>

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 21 10:52:13 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:52:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Alpines] Update - SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA BRITISH CAR MEET - Sept.
 6 & 7, 2008
Message-ID: <3309724.1216659134090.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

THE  BRITISH  CAR  MEET * 2008
Sierra Point Marina  *  Brisbane, CA
Saturday & Sunday * September 6th & 7th

Dear NorCal British Car Enthusiast,

The Sierra Point British Car Meet in Brisbane is coming along great - This
year, the food and drink will be handled by the Brisbane Lions Club, that will
have their grill trailer with burgers, dogs, and (hopefully) bangers all day
plus cold drinks, but get this!!!  The Sierra Point Yacht Club will open their
doors early on Sunday for a reasonable, sit-down, prix fix breakfast, AND,
they also have a full bar that will be open all day as well ......

Herb Gibson's Jazz Orchestra will be back again, set up just outside the Yacht
Club.

Due to a number of reasons, the Saturday swap meet has been canceled for this
year, but it will seriously be reconsidered for next year.

Even though this event is brought to you by the same folks who coordinated the
Palo Alto Meet for 30 years, this is a new location with new challenges and
requirements and we are working hard to provide a similar event at a
reasonable price. This year, we are going back to collectable year-specific
event coffee mugs for gifts.

If you belong to a club, make sure the general membership knows about this
Sierra Point meet - meet old friends in a new location - carrying on the
tradition.

Cheers,

Rick Feibusch
Meet Coordinator

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -  - - - - - - - - -


THE  BRITISH  CAR  MEET * 2008
Sierra Point Marina  *  Brisbane, CA
Saturday & Sunday * September 6th & 7th

Join us for one of the most historic British automotive events in California
at
our new dockside venue at the Sierra Point Marina.  Over 400 quirky, classic,
and
thoroughly lovable British cars are once again expected to grace the lawn and
adjacent
parking area in Brisbane, California. This is essentially the old Palo Alto
meet
in its new location. We are also expecting another great display of automotive
oddities
provided by the Arcane Auto Society. Spectators attend and park for free.

SUNDAY SHOW - SEPTEMBER 7th

Join your British car friends for a smashing day at the Marina. Don't have a
show car? Don't worry! Daily drivers, vintage racers, street rods and
works-in-progress
are as welcome as Concours quality show cars.  British food, jazz, & more fun
than you'll be able to tolerate!  Awards in many classes. There will be no
preregistration
- all entrants will receive a commemorative gift. Cars will be placed at
9:00AM
and the fun goes on all day.  The registration fee is still $25 per car at the
gate.

SATURDAY TOUR - SEPTEMBER 6th

The British Car Meet TOUR TO THE SEA starts at the Sierra Point Marina
boathouse
(the same place as the Sunday Car Show) and winds through the hills to the
sea.
Itbs no-cost option for people who like to drive their cars as well as show
them.
We will be sending cars off between 9:00AM and 10:30AM.  A map will be
provided.
The tour ends at Cameron's Pub in Half Moon Bay where we will be kicking
tyres
and telling tall tales in the car park well into the afternoon.

DIRECTIONS:

The Brisbane Marina is lacated just east of the Bayshore Freeway (101) between
San
Francisco and the SF Airport/Highway 380. Just  take the Sierra Point Exit and
follow
the signs to the Marina. Trailer parking will be available on-site.

Call for information:  310-392-6605
e-mail: Sierra Point Marina Britmeet <rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net>

From mrtebo at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 22 06:34:35 2008
From: mrtebo at shaw.ca (Ron Tebo)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:34:35 -0600
Subject: [Alpines] Brake switch and door window questions
In-Reply-To: <8CAB74B2FC1A6F0-1548-3608@webmail-nf18.sim.aol.com>
References: <8CAB74B2FC1A6F0-1548-3608@webmail-nf18.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4885D3DB.6080302@shaw.ca>

Rob:

With regard to your substitute BL switch, I think you are going in the 
wrong direction. You need to modify your plan to use a switch that 
completes the circuit  the minute you touch the brake and then goes off 
when you release the brake. I have some articles in my archive on this, 
and replacing windows (if you could clarify what you don't understand).
Also, most brake switch failures on the Alpine seem to be due to a 
sludged-up or poorly bled system. Let me know if you want more info.

Ron Tebo

rootesalpine at aol.com wrote:

>I want to install a mechanical brake light switch to my brake pedal and I am
>wondering if anyone here has a suggestion regarding what kind of switch works
>well and mounts easily. B  I am thinking of a deadman switch such as in the
>seat of a riding lawnmower. B they are B heavy duty and can hold up to being
>stepped on. B If I could figure how to mount it on the pedal lever just above
>the pedal cushion where my foot would contact both.
>
>
>
>Second question, I need to replace my door window. B I have read the manual
>for removal and installation and frankly it makes no sense to me at all.
>B Does anyone have the magic trick?
>
>
>
>
>Rob Carpenter
>
>Series V
>
>Poulsbo WA
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From boxweed at thebest.net  Wed Jul 23 06:38:21 2008
From: boxweed at thebest.net (boxweed)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:38:21 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Sunbeam Tiger Question
Message-ID: <001a01c8ecc0$fe8368c0$6101a8c0@boxweed>

I have a couple questions regarding Sunbeam Tigers that I hope someone from
the List can answer:
1)  I recently bought a late Tiger Mark IA (serial # in the 2300s) that has
small, round side lights on the sides of both front fenders and in the centers
of both rear side Rootes Group badges where the cloisonne medalions would
normally be.  They look like they could be factory items but I've never seen
them on a Sunbeam before.  Does anyone know if these are factory items or
not?
2)  I wrote to N. Miller to obtain the JAL number for my car, but because the
VIN tag was not still attached to the car, he would not give me the JAL info.
Does anyone know if there is another way to obtain JAL info.  (I have the VIN
tag, which was removed along with the JAL tag when the car was dismantled for
restoration, but the JAL tag was lost.)

Thanks in advance!
Bob

From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Jul 23 12:16:31 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:16:31 -0400
Subject: [Alpines] Sunbeam Tiger Question
In-Reply-To: <001a01c8ecc0$fe8368c0$6101a8c0@boxweed>
Message-ID: <20080723141631.5PERJ.104001.imail@eastrmwml22.mgt.cox.net>

Hi, Bob:

The side lights you speak of are not stock Tiger items.  Those types of lights were not goverment mandated until 1968 so someone at some point in time must have thought they looked cool and installed them.  The bottom line here is that you can chuck 'em.

As for the second part of your question, I don't know where you are located but the only way that I would know if to find the JAL # would be to take your car somewhere where they were doing the TAC inspections.  Once they are satisfied that your Tiger is what it claims to be, they would tell you what the factory designated JAL # was.  Maybe at SUNI V in Rapid City next year????

Enjoy your Tiger,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

---- boxweed <boxweed at thebest.net> wrote: 
> I have a couple questions regarding Sunbeam Tigers that I hope someone from
> the List can answer:
> 1)  I recently bought a late Tiger Mark IA (serial # in the 2300s) that has
> small, round side lights on the sides of both front fenders and in the centers
> of both rear side Rootes Group badges where the cloisonne medalions would
> normally be.  They look like they could be factory items but I've never seen
> them on a Sunbeam before.  Does anyone know if these are factory items or
> not?
> 2)  I wrote to N. Miller to obtain the JAL number for my car, but because the
> VIN tag was not still attached to the car, he would not give me the JAL info.
> Does anyone know if there is another way to obtain JAL info.  (I have the VIN
> tag, which was removed along with the JAL tag when the car was dismantled for
> restoration, but the JAL tag was lost.)
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Bob
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From mrtebo at shaw.ca  Mon Jul 28 06:45:18 2008
From: mrtebo at shaw.ca (Ron Tebo)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:45:18 -0600
Subject: [Alpines] Brake switch and door window questions
In-Reply-To: <8CABE884AD5D245-C30-C1E6@webmail-nh08.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAB74B2FC1A6F0-1548-3608@webmail-nf18.sim.aol.com>
	<4885D3DB.6080302@shaw.ca>
	<8CABE884AD5D245-C30-C1E6@webmail-nh08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <488DBF5E.5070603@shaw.ca>

Rob:

 Here is post 3+4 in that thread and there are more, but the server will 
bounce long messages or attachments . More later.

Ron Tebo


Subject: RE: Damn Brake Light Switch
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:11 -0700
From: Theo Smit <theo.smit at dynastream.com>
To: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com, ssage at socal.rr.com
CC: alpines at autox.team.net, Tigers at autox.team.net

Jay,
It's up to you what kind of switch you use, but I'd be inclined to use a
brake pedal switch from another car, because that would have the right
kind of adjustable mounting, and the proper current handling ability.
You _can_ use a hammer as a screwdriver, but that doesn't mean it will
always give good results.

You can leave the original wires in the engine compartment if you want,
and just figure out where they run under the dash and splice into them
there. I don't offhand recall if the factory wiring had the brake lights
on the ignition circuit (i.e. key off = no brake lights), but that is
NOT the way to do it. One side of the switch should go to a fuse that is
connected to the battery, and the other side goes to the brake light
wire that runs to the back of the car.

Theo







Subject: Re: Damn Brake Light Switch
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:27:00 -0800
From: Sage <ssage at socal.rr.com>
To: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com
CC: alpines at autox.team.net, Tigers at autox.team.net

Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com wrote:

 >I stated in an earlier posting to the SAOC board that I was having trouble
 >with my third new brake light switch.
 >

Jay:
I went through several brake light switches. They all worked at first,
then malfunctioned at various times later, usually within a couple to a
few weeks. Same thing happened with aftermarket, and then two Lucas
switches. Happened exactly as you describe...it took more and more
pressure on thre pedal to get the lights to work, then they stopped
working. I was running silicone fluid, was told that the switches don't
work well with it, so I changed back to Girling. Still no luck. I
finally installed a mechanical brake switch, as suggested by Tom Hall
and a couple of others, and my brake lights now work instantly with only
slightly touching the brake pedal, as they're supposed to.

I got three or four mechanical brake light switches to try from various
cars at Pick A Part, made a braket up to hold it (this is the tricky
part since it has to be located just right to work), and then wired my
new switch to the wiring harness under the hood (I couldn't find the
wiring harness connection in the passenger compartment). I mounted the
switch and bracket above the brake pedal arm. I had to add a flat piece
of metal to the back of the pedal arm so the button on the switch is
pushed in easily. When your foot is off the pedal, the pedal arm (or I
should say the flat metal piece attached to the pedal arm) pushes the
button on the stop light switch in, opening the circuit. When you push
the pedal down, the button releases and completes the electrical
circuit, turning on your brake lights. When you take your foot off the
pedal and it returns up, the button on the switch is again pushed in,
opening the circuit, and shutting off the brake lights. If you go this
route, be sure you get a brake light switch that works in the above
manner (some of them work the opposite way). To complete the job, I just
left the original brake switch in place at the junction in the engine
compartment. You could get a bolt/plug instead if you want instead.

The other problem I've had with my "stock" brake light switches is a
couple of them ended up leaking. Plus, I had those switches in and out
so often (replacing them, or trying to tighten them down too much to try
and stop the leaks, before I knew what I was doing or looking at/for) I
think I probably partially stripped the internal threads on the brake
line junction, which added to the difficulty in keeping things dry,
which they now are.

Steve Sage









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From mrtebo at shaw.ca  Mon Jul 28 06:57:55 2008
From: mrtebo at shaw.ca (Ron Tebo)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:57:55 -0600
Subject: [Alpines] Brake switch and door window questions
In-Reply-To: <8CABE884AD5D245-C30-C1E6@webmail-nh08.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAB74B2FC1A6F0-1548-3608@webmail-nf18.sim.aol.com>
	<4885D3DB.6080302@shaw.ca>
	<8CABE884AD5D245-C30-C1E6@webmail-nh08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <488DC253.3060707@shaw.ca>

Rob:

 Post 5+6 (end) of that thread.

Ron Tebo

ubject: Re: Damn Brake Light Switch
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:00:50 -0800
From: Sage <ssage at socal.rr.com>
To: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com
CC: alpines at autox.team.net, Tigers at autox.team.net

Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com wrote:

 >I was actually thinking of using an old door light switch for it.  I've
 >got one and it has a very light spring mechanism.  I actually have two
 >Rootes factory original GT ones, but thought I'd use one from another car!
 >
 >I'm not sure I understand about the wires in the passenger compartment.
 >Are there two leads that will complete the circuit?  If so, what about the
 >wires next to the hydraulic switch?  Do they need to be connected?  Left
 >separate?  Any idea what colors these extra wires are?  My wiring harness
 >is from a very late SV Alpine - though it is in a S3 body.
 >
 >Jay
 >
Jay:
Since I couldn't find the wires that are supposed to be in the passenger
compartment, I just pulled out the two wires that plug into the switch in
the engine compartment, attached long wires to those, and ran them back
through the firewall to the "new" stop light switch above the brake pedal.
If I take the time to find the wires in the passenger compartment, that will
be a lot cleaner install.
Steve Sage
ubject: Re: Damn Brake Light Switch
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:09:18 -0800
From: Diane and Roland Dudley <csx2282 at juno.com>
To: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com
CC: ssage at socal.rr.com, alpines at autox.team.net, Tigers at autox.team.net

Jay,

I had a similar problem with my Cobra's hydraulic brake light
switch.  More pedal pressure than is normally required in street
traffic was needed to turn the brake lights on.  Actually this is
kind of a generic problem for Cobras, because the gearing is so
low.  At 80 MPH, the engine is running at about 4k RPM.  Engine
braking does about 95% of the stopping in street traffic.

I tried replacing the switch, but it didn't make any difference.  Since
I'm a cheapskate, I came up with a very inexpensive and simple
solution.  I bought a limit switch at a local hardware store.  This
is a switch with a long metal tab for the switching mechanism.  I
mounted it so the back of the brake pedal arm presses on the
tab and holds the switch "on".

The switch can be wired to be normally-on or normally-off.  I
wired it for normally-on.  In other words, the switch conducts
current when the pedal is pressed and the arm is no longer in contact
with the tab.  I don't know what the pedal setup is like on your
Alpine, but on my Cobra I didn't need a bracket to mount the switch
on.  In fact it's held in place on an adjacent frame tube with nylon
cable ties.

As for the wiring, I ran extra wires from the limit switch to the
hydraulic switch and connected them in parallel with that switch's
terminals.

Actually I'm on the second switch now.  I managed to mangle the
first one while doing some brake work a couple of years ago.  But
the first one did last more than 10 years.

Roland

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:45:05 -0800 Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com writes:
 > I was actually thinking of using an old door light switch for it.
 > I've
 > got one and it has a very light spring mechanism.  I actually have
 > two
 > Rootes factory original GT ones, but thought I'd use one from
 > another car!
 >
 > I'm not sure I understand about the wires in the passenger
 > compartment.
 > Are there two leads that will complete the circuit?  If so, what
 > about the
 > wires next to the hydraulic switch?  Do they need to be connected?
 > Left
 > separate?  Any idea what colors these extra wires are?  My wiring
 > harness
 > is from a very late SV Alpine - though it is in a S3 body.
 >
 > Jay