From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Dec  1 23:11:52 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:11:52 -0800
Subject: [Alpines] Production Data
Message-ID: <4934D1A8.2040905@mayfco.com>

The racing organizaion for the salt flats is gonna start requiring 
production run data for race cars based on producion vehicles. Do any of 
you all know where I can find that data for a Series V Alpine? I have 
the vin and sal numbers if that helps.

mayf

From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Tue Dec  2 03:57:44 2008
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:57:44 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] Production Data
In-Reply-To: <4934D1A8.2040905@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <E1L7Sqb-0008JP-9d@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Is this what you need .. ??

(SAOCA web site:
 http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=39

Allan

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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:12 AM
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Subject: [Alpines] Production Data

The racing organizaion for the salt flats is gonna start requiring
production run data for race cars based on producion vehicles. Do any
of you all know where I can find that data for a Series V Alpine? I
have the vin and sal numbers if that helps.

mayf
Alpines at autox.team.net
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From bmounce at rcn.com  Tue Dec 30 14:46:13 2008
From: bmounce at rcn.com (Bill Mounce)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
Message-ID: <013501c96ac8$09825670$1c870350$@com>

Happy New Year to all:

 

I picked up my 67 Alpine from a friend who finished off the wiring and
interior.  Looks great, just about finished, one or two problems that can
wait for spring.  One that can't, however, is a brake problem I encountered
on my way home.  After about 15 miles, I found that when I clutched to
shift, the car slowed down!  I then noticed when on a hill with no hand
brake and in neutral, the car would not roll.  I pulled over and think I saw
smoke from the passenger rear brake; I could be wrong.  However, with the
car off, the brake lights were on.  After about 20 minutes the brake lights
went off and the car rolled again.  I drove about 3 miles home and parked
it.

 

I know how to wring out the braking system, but before I start, are there
any usual suspects?  Does this sound familiar to anyone?

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Bill Mounce

Easton, PA

From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Dec 31 05:04:57 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:04:57 -0600
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
In-Reply-To: <013501c96ac8$09825670$1c870350$@com>
References: <013501c96ac8$09825670$1c870350$@com>
Message-ID: <E5E2F442AA5841D9B10E63D399A82D8C@awtigerPC>

Bill:

Happy New Year to you as well!

Now to your problem.  Being a '67 model, your car should be a Series V and 
Series Vs have a brake booster.  That would be the first place I would look. 
They have a tendency to stick sometimes and that could be the problem.  Just 
as a test, you could get a piece of brake line and two couplings and 
disconnect the brake lines from the booster to bypass the unit all together. 
Then test the brakes and see what you've got.  Chances are your problem will 
be discovered.

Best of luck,
Andy Walker
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Mounce" <bmounce at rcn.com>
To: "Alpine Discussion Group" <alpines at autox.team.net>
Cc: "'RICHARD FRITZ'" <wizzzbang at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:46 PM
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem


> Happy New Year to all:
>
>
>
> I picked up my 67 Alpine from a friend who finished off the wiring and
> interior.  Looks great, just about finished, one or two problems that can
> wait for spring.  One that can't, however, is a brake problem I 
> encountered
> on my way home.  After about 15 miles, I found that when I clutched to
> shift, the car slowed down!  I then noticed when on a hill with no hand
> brake and in neutral, the car would not roll.  I pulled over and think I 
> saw
> smoke from the passenger rear brake; I could be wrong.  However, with the
> car off, the brake lights were on.  After about 20 minutes the brake 
> lights
> went off and the car rolled again.  I drove about 3 miles home and parked
> it.
>
>
>
> I know how to wring out the braking system, but before I start, are there
> any usual suspects?  Does this sound familiar to anyone?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Bill Mounce
>
> Easton, PA
> _______________________________________________
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From mrtebo at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 31 06:01:04 2008
From: mrtebo at shaw.ca (Mary and Ron Tebo)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
In-Reply-To: <013501c96ac8$09825670$1c870350$@com>
References: <013501c96ac8$09825670$1c870350$@com>
Message-ID: <495B6D10.6050600@shaw.ca>

Bill:

In addition to what Andy suggested, you might check the rear rubber hose 
which might be rotten and partially obstructing the line.

Happy New Year!

Ron Tebo

Bill Mounce wrote:
> Happy New Year to all:
>
>  
>
> I picked up my 67 Alpine from a friend who finished off the wiring and
> interior.  Looks great, just about finished, one or two problems that can
> wait for spring.  One that can't, however, is a brake problem I encountered
> on my way home.  After about 15 miles, I found that when I clutched to
> shift, the car slowed down!  I then noticed when on a hill with no hand
> brake and in neutral, the car would not roll.  I pulled over and think I saw
> smoke from the passenger rear brake; I could be wrong.  However, with the
> car off, the brake lights were on.  After about 20 minutes the brake lights
> went off and the car rolled again.  I drove about 3 miles home and parked
> it.
>
>  
>
> I know how to wring out the braking system, but before I start, are there
> any usual suspects?  Does this sound familiar to anyone?
>
>  
>
> Thanks in advance, 
>
>  
>
> Bill Mounce
>
> Easton, PA
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> Alpines at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines
>
> http://www.team.net/archive

From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi  Wed Dec 31 15:18:59 2008
From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (=?iso-8859-1?B?o2F1cmk=?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:18:59 +0200
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
In-Reply-To: <013501c96ac8$09825670$1c870350$@com>
Message-ID: <62205E2A512A44A99D534B6A0CC5FFB3@lehtipuu224865>

Did 67 Alpines have auto adjust system?

Larry



Lauri Lehtinen
journalist, engineer
mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988


-----Alkuperdinen viesti-----
Ldhettdjd: alpines-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:alpines-bounces at autox.team.net] Puolesta Bill Mounce
Ldhetetty: 30. joulukuuta 2008 23:46
Vastaanottaja: Alpine Discussion Group
Kopio: 'RICHARD FRITZ'
Aihe: [Alpines] brake problem

Happy New Year to all:



I picked up my 67 Alpine from a friend who finished off the wiring and
interior.  Looks great, just about finished, one or two problems that
can
wait for spring.  One that can't, however, is a brake problem I
encountered
on my way home.  After about 15 miles, I found that when I clutched to
shift, the car slowed down!  I then noticed when on a hill with no hand
brake and in neutral, the car would not roll.  I pulled over and think I
saw
smoke from the passenger rear brake; I could be wrong.  However, with
the
car off, the brake lights were on.  After about 20 minutes the brake
lights
went off and the car rolled again.  I drove about 3 miles home and
parked
it.



I know how to wring out the braking system, but before I start, are
there
any usual suspects?  Does this sound familiar to anyone?



Thanks in advance,



Bill Mounce

Easton, PA
Alpines at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines

http://www.team.net/archive

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Wed Dec 31 16:14:00 2008
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:14:00 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
In-Reply-To: <62205E2A512A44A99D534B6A0CC5FFB3@lehtipuu224865>
References: <013501c96ac8$09825670$1c870350$@com>
	<62205E2A512A44A99D534B6A0CC5FFB3@lehtipuu224865>
Message-ID: <20081231232626.6F2DB18765E@autox.team.net>

At 05:18 PM 12/31/2008, #auri wrote:
 >Did 67 Alpines have auto adjust system?

All but the very last Alpine V's had the auto
adjust system.  The last of the breed went back
to the manual adjust system as used on the Alpine
I to IV and on the Triumph TR's.

No, I don't know the changeover off the top of my
head but will look it up if there is sufficient interest.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi  Wed Dec 31 16:37:55 2008
From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (=?iso-8859-1?B?o2F1cmk=?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:37:55 +0200
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
In-Reply-To: <20081231232617.5663027D84@emh05.mail.saunalahti.fi>
Message-ID: <786D26C31DDB4368BE69B7B8016C5C2C@lehtipuu224865>

I am not sure but I have a "feeling" that factory went back to manual
adjust because of some malfunctions which were something like descripted
earlier in this discussion.

Sorry of my bad English, I have not automatic correction.

So, if the problem was not solved yet, cleaning rear drums auto adjust
system might help. But, my ser IV has manual adjust, and this is only an
idea I had without own experience.

Lauri Lehtinen
journalist, engineer
mobile: +358 (0) 400 851988


-----Alkuperdinen viesti-----
Ldhettdjd: Marc James Small [mailto:marcsmall at comcast.net]
Ldhetetty: 1. tammikuuta 2009 1:14
Vastaanottaja: #auri; 'Bill Mounce'; 'Alpine Discussion Group'
Kopio: 'RICHARD FRITZ'
Aihe: Re: [Alpines] brake problem

At 05:18 PM 12/31/2008, #auri wrote:
 >Did 67 Alpines have auto adjust system?

All but the very last Alpine V's had the auto
adjust system.  The last of the breed went back
to the manual adjust system as used on the Alpine
I to IV and on the Triumph TR's.

No, I don't know the changeover off the top of my
head but will look it up if there is sufficient interest.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Wed Dec 31 16:49:27 2008
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
In-Reply-To: <786D26C31DDB4368BE69B7B8016C5C2C@lehtipuu224865>
References: <20081231232617.5663027D84@emh05.mail.saunalahti.fi>
	<786D26C31DDB4368BE69B7B8016C5C2C@lehtipuu224865>
Message-ID: <20081231235627.7ACE7187659@autox.team.net>

At 06:37 PM 12/31/2008, #auri wrote:
 >I am not sure but I have a "feeling" that factory went back to manual
 >adjust because of some malfunctions which were something like descripted
 >earlier in this discussion.
 >
 >Sorry of my bad English, I have not automatic correction.

There were some problems with the automatic
adjusting brakes but they were pretty
reliable:  I have around 100,000 miles or so on
them and they never let me down.

The reason for the switch is the same reason the
Series V has a manual hand-crank nut on the
fan-belt pulley nut:  Rootes was using up what
was in the parts bin and trying to avoid having
to buy new stuff.  So, when they ran out of the
automatic adjusting brake parts, they just went
back to the earlier system, which in any event
was still in production.  Girling had sold off
the automatic adjusting brake system to Ford of
Germany in 1966 and had pulled it from production.

By the time the Series V entered the fray, Rootes
was bleeding to death from all that red ink the
Imp brought the company.  It was never properly
supported by a company very close to bankruptcy.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From SuperAlfa at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 17:20:11 2008
From: SuperAlfa at aol.com (SuperAlfa at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:20:11 EST
Subject: [Alpines] Brake Problem
Message-ID: <be7.43101040.368d663b@aol.com>

Had this problem in a Ford; turned out that the master died. The pressure  
would build, but it wouldn't release. One more thing to check...
-Phil Edwards
Enumclaw WA
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From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 31 21:16:50 2008
From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:16:50 -0800
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
References: <20081231232617.5663027D84@emh05.mail.saunalahti.fi><786D26C31DDB4368BE69B7B8016C5C2C@lehtipuu224865>
	<20081231235627.7ACE7187659@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <0FF95EFF9F044A7D8318832B0E8862C7@owner33025ef87>

If this was a case of 4 wheel disc brakes I would tell you to "pony up" for
new rear brake pads. Very common when the (disc brake pistons) are pushed way
out of the calipers they have a tendency to bind in the caliper rather than
retract the fraction of a millimeter they need to release pressure on the
rotor. This is especially common on small piston calipers like Girling 12SP
and 14LF.

I've been away from Alpines for five years now, but...... replace the hose in
the line to the rear axle/rear brakes. It's out of sight so out of mind and
ignored, but the rubber will deteriorate in that hose especially. It will
expand when brakes applied and when the brakes are released it holds a small
amount of pressure on the rear drum brakes. It doesn't take much pressure to
generate the drag described and only a few minutes for the pressure to bleed
off, but a seeming lifetime to diagnose and correct...

Happy New Year!!
    Carl
        (formerly Andy Walkers) S1,
        Lotus 61 Formula Ford
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Marc James Small
  To: #auri ; 'BillMounce' ; 'Alpine Discussion Group'
  Cc: 'RICHARD FRITZ'
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Alpines] brake problem


  At 06:37 PM 12/31/2008, #auri wrote:
   >I am not sure but I have a "feeling" that factory went back to manual
   >adjust because of some malfunctions which were something like descripted
   >earlier in this discussion.
   >
   >Sorry of my bad English, I have not automatic correction.

  There were some problems with the automatic
  adjusting brakes but they were pretty
  reliable:  I have around 100,000 miles or so on
  them and they never let me down.

  The reason for the switch is the same reason the
  Series V has a manual hand-crank nut on the
  fan-belt pulley nut:  Rootes was using up what
  was in the parts bin and trying to avoid having
  to buy new stuff.  So, when they ran out of the
  automatic adjusting brake parts, they just went
  back to the earlier system, which in any event
  was still in production.  Girling had sold off
  the automatic adjusting brake system to Ford of
  Germany in 1966 and had pulled it from production.

  By the time the Series V entered the fray, Rootes
  was bleeding to death from all that red ink the
  Imp brought the company.  It was never properly
  supported by a company very close to bankruptcy.

  Marc


  msmall at aya.yale.edu
  Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Wed Dec 31 23:03:47 2008
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:03:47 -0500
Subject: [Alpines] brake problem
In-Reply-To: <0FF95EFF9F044A7D8318832B0E8862C7@owner33025ef87>
References: <20081231232617.5663027D84@emh05.mail.saunalahti.fi>
	<786D26C31DDB4368BE69B7B8016C5C2C@lehtipuu224865>
	<20081231235627.7ACE7187659@autox.team.net>
	<0FF95EFF9F044A7D8318832B0E8862C7@owner33025ef87>
Message-ID: <20090101061126.6F2CE18763F@autox.team.net>

At 11:16 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>If this was a case of 4 wheel disc brakes I
>would tell you to "pony up" for new rear brake
>pads. Very common when the (disc brake pistons)
>are pushed way out of the calipers they have a
>tendency to bind in the caliper rather than
>retract the fraction of a millimeter they need
>to release pressure on the rotor. This is
>especially common on small piston calipers like Girling 12SP and 14LF.
>
>I've been away from Alpines for five years now,
>but...... replace the hose in the line to the
>rear axle/rear brakes. It's out of sight so out
>of mind and ignored, but the rubber will
>deteriorate in that hose especially. It will
>expand when brakes applied and when the brakes
>are released it holds a small amount of pressure
>on the rear drum brakes. It doesn't take much
>pressure to generate the drag described and only
>a few minutes for the pressure to bleed off, but
>a seeming lifetime to diagnose and correct...

This message appears to me in a manner which I
cannot read.  I have a grave problem with
contrast, so dainty blues on a white background
give me little to work with.  Try DARK black on
white to make it legible.  Id love to answer you
but, well, I cannot.  Everything on the Net
really should be sent in a common format, very dark and very white.

Marc



msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!