From armorseal at spiretech.com Thu Nov 1 09:58:06 2007 From: armorseal at spiretech.com (Chuck Nicodemus) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:58:06 -0700 Subject: [Alpines] HOLLYWOOD TIGER MAGAZINE ARTICLE References: Message-ID: <014101c81ca8$9c71b440$6401a8c0@chuckvnootxuli> Wouldn't it be real great if some one would do an article on Alpines, the real Sunbeam. I mean really do a good job and then recognize the idea that the Tiger is "JUST" an Alpine with a bigger engine? After all, now it seems that Alpine is only thought of as a parts car. My 2.85 p. Chuck From milano164 at comcast.net Thu Nov 1 14:31:44 2007 From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:31:44 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] HSC article and Alpine articles Message-ID: <5323D97B-E907-4BD0-8E54-0248773409BD@comcast.net> Chuck, Actually, there have been some really good articles on the Alpine fairly recently. I don't know if you get Hemming's Sports and Exotics but they did a story on the a very nice red Series II, I think June 2007. Hemmings also ran an article on the Sports Car Forum Alpine, September 2005 in their very first issue. http://www.hemmings.com/store/backissues.html?publication=HSX Also, Vintage Racecar Journal ran a nice story on the Sebring Alpines and the LeMans Alpine last year. http:// www.vintageracecar.com/ If you, or anyone else, would like me to e-mail you the PDF story on Vince Tamburo, won the 1960 G-production championship in the Alpine, or the story on Steve Alcala's Sebring Alpine that is nearly finished, I would be glad to. (I wrote the stories and Scott Christie did a beautiful job of editing). Just write me... I thought the HSC article was really good. The Tiger is looking really great and it is fantastic that some of these really important production cars, Alpines and Tigers, are getting saved or restored. Steve P.S. clearly Tigers have significant value... however, the Alpine race cars I have found are at the "end of the their road" and well beat. Just short of scrap. If you happen to see an Alpine you believe might have been raced please write. Most likely, I can tell you exactly who raced it and when with a bit of research. The first clue on an Alpine I look for is an exhaust mount rubber mounted just behind the head on the firewall or the throttle bracket has additional reinforcement. Two typical racing modification that I see on most every Alpine for the track. SS. From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi Fri Nov 2 00:10:33 2007 From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (=?us-ascii?Q?=3Fauri_Lehtinen?=) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:10:33 +0200 Subject: [Alpines] Peugeot 504 cabrio? In-Reply-To: <5323D97B-E907-4BD0-8E54-0248773409BD@comcast.net> Message-ID: I seek a Peugeot cabrio for next summer (Alpine is too small for 4 persons). Is it posseble to find such from the States or specially from Canada?? ?arry From bmounce at rcn.com Sun Nov 4 13:51:21 2007 From: bmounce at rcn.com (Bill Mounce) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:51:21 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] gasoline smell Message-ID: <018f01c81f24$74ede2d0$6501a8c0@HOVAC> I did not get to use my SV much this year. I did use it a few weeks ago, and when I checked the oil, it had a strong gasoline smell. This concerns me only as I think it may decrease the lubricity of the oil. Is this a real concern? I am using a Weber carb, if it matters. Thanks, Bill No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - Release Date: 11/4/2007 11:05 AM From JACranwell at aol.com Mon Nov 5 02:42:09 2007 From: JACranwell at aol.com (JACranwell at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:42:09 EST Subject: [Alpines] gasoline smell Message-ID: Another likely cause is the balance hose that runs between the tops of the tanks. If that has come loose, or has split, the gas smell would be pretty unbearable. It connects straight to the tank on the LHS, and to the rubber extended from the filler cap on the RHS. I had just this problem with my SIII after it had been in the body shop and they left the pipe off. Julian. From rootesrooter at aol.com Mon Nov 5 09:44:46 2007 From: rootesrooter at aol.com (rootesrooter at aol.com) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:44:46 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] gasoline smell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9EDE24EDC82D1-1DC-711@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> Good point. Is the smell coming from the dipstick or just in the driver compartment?? The oil on the dipstick may already feel thinner to the touch than normal by now. -----Original Message----- From: JACranwell at aol.com To: bmounce at rcn.com; alpines at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 1:42 am Subject: Re: [Alpines] gasoline smell Another likely cause is the balance hose that runs between the tops of the tanks. If that has come loose, or has split, the gas smell would be pretty unbearable. It connects straight to the tank on the LHS, and to the rubber extended from the filler cap on the RHS. I had just this problem with my SIII after it had been in the body shop and they left the pipe off. Julian. _______________________________________________ rootesrooter at aol.com Alpines at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From WSuman at aol.com Mon Nov 5 13:03:38 2007 From: WSuman at aol.com (WSuman at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:03:38 EST Subject: [Alpines] Fuel Smell in oil Message-ID: Couldn't this be a failure of the fuel pump itself. My understanding it will pump into the crankcase if there's a diaphragm problem. Walt Suman S-V Seattle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:51:21 -0500 From: "Bill Mounce" Subject: [Alpines] gasoline smell To: "'Alpine Discussion List'" Message-ID: <018f01c81f24$74ede2d0$6501a8c0 at HOVAC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I did not get to use my SV much this year. I did use it a few weeks ago, and when I checked the oil, it had a strong gasoline smell. This concerns me only as I think it may decrease the lubricity of the oil. Is this a real concern? I am using a Weber carb, if it matters. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi Tue Nov 6 01:02:44 2007 From: lehtinen.lauri at kolumbus.fi (=?us-ascii?Q?=3Fauri_Lehtinen?=) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:02:44 +0200 Subject: [Alpines] Fuel Smell in oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gasoline in oil is not so dangerous as it sounds. Germans used "Kallt-start" system in aviation engines, as they had not developed such warming systems as we in Finland. They did add 10 - 15% gasoline to engine oil for cold starting during east-front winter battles. When engine warmed up, gaso evapored and vanished, and so oil was as thick as before. Well, it was those circumstances and obsolete oils, but a little amount of petrol in engine oil will not explode engine. Larry Leaflet, Helsinki Series IV Roadster, Carnival Red. -------------------------------------------------------- Couldn't this be a failure of the fuel pump itself. My understanding it will pump into the crankcase if there's a diaphragm problem. Walt Suman S-V Seattle From rootesrooter at aol.com Tue Nov 6 10:52:02 2007 From: rootesrooter at aol.com (rootesrooter at aol.com) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:52:02 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] Fuel Smell in oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C9EEB4DF09BC44-C68-3D7B@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> But what's to stop that "little" "10%-15%" from becoming 50%, 75%??? If the fuel pump diaphram has failed, fuel will continue to?steadily pump into the crankcase.? I had this happen on a fastback Alpine.? When I checked the oil there was a very thin, clear film on the dipstick?that went several inches up beyond the Full mark. Only the smell convinced me the crankcase was overfull and not empty. At some point I think you would get enough gasoline vapors evaporating in the crankcase that one good spark would turn your engine into an IED. Dick Sanders Kent, WA -----Original Message----- From: ?auri Lehtinen To: WSuman at aol.com; alpines at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Alpines] Fuel Smell in oil Gasoline in oil is not so dangerous as it sounds. Germans used "Kallt-start" system in aviation engines, as they had not developed such warming systems as we in Finland. They did add 10 - 15% gasoline to engine oil for cold starting during east-front winter battles. When engine warmed up, gaso evapored and vanished, and so oil was as thick as before. Well, it was those circumstances and obsolete oils, but a little amount of petrol in engine oil will not explode engine. Larry Leaflet, Helsinki Series IV Roadster, Carnival Red. -------------------------------------------------------- Couldn't this be a failure of the fuel pump itself. My understanding it will pump into the crankcase if there's a diaphragm problem. Walt Suman S-V Seattle _______________________________________________ rootesrooter at aol.com Alpines at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From e.schoenmaker at planet.nl Tue Nov 6 11:06:54 2007 From: e.schoenmaker at planet.nl (Evert Schoenmaker) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:06:54 +0100 Subject: [Alpines] Fuel Smell in oil In-Reply-To: <8C9EEB4DF09BC44-C68-3D7B@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I agree with fact that a engine not fast will explode. I Think the biggest problem is that the oil/fuelmixture doesn't greas the cylinders and everything else. If the mixture on the dipstick is very thin its the same at the cylinderwand en everywhere else. I don't think i have to tell you what will happen if the motor isn't protect with a thin layer of oil. It wont be the first engine that completly is wasted on this problem. So get a new fueldiphram what whil last with the new fuelspesifications. Evert Schoenmaker The Netherlands -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: alpines-bounces+e.schoenmaker=planet.nl at autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces+e.schoenmaker=planet.nl at autox.team.net]Namens rootesrooter at aol.com Verzonden: dinsdag 6 november 2007 18:52 Aan: alpines at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Alpines] Fuel Smell in oil But what's to stop that "little" "10%-15%" from becoming 50%, 75%??? If the fuel pump diaphram has failed, fuel will continue to?steadily pump into the crankcase.? I had this happen on a fastback Alpine.? When I checked the oil there was a very thin, clear film on the dipstick?that went several inches up beyond the Full mark. Only the smell convinced me the crankcase was overfull and not empty. At some point I think you would get enough gasoline vapors evaporating in the crankcase that one good spark would turn your engine into an IED. Dick Sanders Kent, WA -----Original Message----- From: ?auri Lehtinen To: WSuman at aol.com; alpines at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Alpines] Fuel Smell in oil Gasoline in oil is not so dangerous as it sounds. Germans used "Kallt-start" system in aviation engines, as they had not developed such warming systems as we in Finland. They did add 10 - 15% gasoline to engine oil for cold starting during east-front winter battles. When engine warmed up, gaso evapored and vanished, and so oil was as thick as before. Well, it was those circumstances and obsolete oils, but a little amount of petrol in engine oil will not explode engine. Larry Leaflet, Helsinki Series IV Roadster, Carnival Red. -------------------------------------------------------- Couldn't this be a failure of the fuel pump itself. My understanding it will pump into the crankcase if there's a diaphragm problem. Walt Suman S-V Seattle _______________________________________________ rootesrooter at aol.com Alpines at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ e.schoenmaker at planet.nl Alpines at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines From hamilton at accesswave.ca Wed Nov 14 06:52:50 2007 From: hamilton at accesswave.ca (Bob Hamilton) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:52:50 -0400 Subject: [Alpines] Sunbeam Talbot Owners Group 2008 Rootes Cars Calendar Message-ID: <6195rf$5md3lk@ip03.eastlink.ca> Hi everyone, Vic Hughes in Australia has compiled another attractive Rootes Group calendar for 2008 and I am passing the ordering information along in case you would like to purchase one or more of these attractive, reasonably priced calendars. You can preview this calendar at the link below. Regards, Bob >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:26:43 +1100 >From: Vic & Rosalie Hughes >Subject: [Staowners] 2008 Rootes cars Calendar >Sender: staowners-bounces at sunbeamtalbot.info >To: staowners at sunbeamtalbot.info > >Hi all, > >The 2008 calendar is now ready for purchase. S.T.A.O. List Members >are well represented with 3 of the 5 Sunbeams featured. > >Those in North America/Canada should use this link to preview and purchase: >http://www.lulu.com/content/1236678 > >Those in Australia should use this one: >http://www.lulu.com/content/1418572 > >The pictures are the same, but the holidays differ. > >For those in Canada, there is some horrendous charge that is >incurred because of the way Lulu Publishing ships to that country >(Bob knows the details of this). However, I have a generous >volunteer from the Hillman Cars group who is prepared to have your >calendars shipped to her address and then take them over the border >and re-post them to you. If you contact Cory at this email >address waltsdahlias at yahoo.com she >will help you out. > >Cheers, Vic > >_______________________________________________ >Staowners mailing list >Staowners at sunbeamtalbot.info >http://sunbeamtalbot.info/mailman/listinfo/staowners_sunbeamtalbot.info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert (Bob) A.C. Hamilton, Waverley, Nova Scotia, Canada Sunbeam Talbots - Alpine, Drophead and Saloon, 1953-1954 Sunbeam Talbot Web Page: www.sunbeamtalbot.info (or .org) E-Mail: hamilton at accesswave.ca or robertach at ns.sympatico.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fredlevit at earthlink.net Wed Nov 14 14:07:02 2007 From: fredlevit at earthlink.net (Fred Levit) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:07:02 -0600 Subject: [Alpines] Old License Platees Message-ID: I have a number of old Illinois license plates dating from about 1950. If anyone can use and wants any I will be glad to dig them out and send them to you. Write me at: fredlevit at earthlink.net From drafting at ramdesign.on.ca Wed Nov 14 08:26:43 2007 From: drafting at ramdesign.on.ca (Andrew Masse) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:26:43 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] Custom 11x17 Sunbeam Alpine Calendar for 2008 Message-ID: <006001c826d2$c4dbb5a0$2700fea9@piii600> There is another Calendar out there, this one is a club calendar of very high quality. A great deal of work has gone into this calendar and is a bit of a fund raiser for the SAOCA. It will be sold through the club web site very soon and samples of the work can be seen at. http://www.ramdesign.on.ca/sunbeams/invasion_things.htm For more information you may also contact me to inform you what you can do to make the purchase. Best regards, Andrew Masse A.T.O. Architectural and Mechanical Design http://www.ramdesign.on.ca From CANISDOG at aol.com Thu Nov 15 05:31:08 2007 From: CANISDOG at aol.com (CANISDOG at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:31:08 EST Subject: [Alpines] Custom 11x17 Sunbeam Alpine Calendar for 2008 Message-ID: It would be nice to be able to order the calendar with a picture of our own car on one month of the year (at least) Otherwise, the "custom" is just of no interest. Paul ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From fredlevit at earthlink.net Thu Nov 15 19:08:21 2007 From: fredlevit at earthlink.net (Fred Levit) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:08:21 -0600 Subject: [Alpines] Old license plaes Message-ID: To all of you who responded: This weekend I will go through them and pull out the ones of the specific years that some of you have requested. Then the rest will go to the guy who has his garage wall covered with old plates. Give me a week or so to get it done. I will let each of you know if I have the years you want. Fred From vix at telus.net Thu Nov 29 16:49:00 2007 From: vix at telus.net (Victoria Frodsham) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:49:00 -0800 Subject: [Alpines] 62 Sunbeam Harrington Le Mans Message-ID: I have one for sale - rare, excellent condition, original. I am looking for the best sites on which to advertise. Any info you can provide? I am in Vancouver BC, Canada. Thanks! Victoria