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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Yes I do have that schematic, and like you, I believe that the relay is the problem. I have one coming in soon, maybe today, I'll keep you posted. Thanks to everyone that has an input into my problem.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">A. Guzman</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">"76 Java Green TR6</div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, September 13, 2019, 08:01:27 AM EDT, <6pack-request@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Re: Electrical problems (im sloane)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 2. Re: Electrical problems (Richard Lindsay)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 3. Re: Electrical problems (DAVID MASSEY)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 02:27:36 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: im sloane <<a ymailto="mailto:im_sloane@hotmail.com" href="mailto:im_sloane@hotmail.com">im_sloane@hotmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:BN6PR18MB1140AFE2AB23BA5002B7A4DD8EB30@BN6PR18MB1140.namprd18.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:BN6PR18MB1140AFE2AB23BA5002B7A4DD8EB30@BN6PR18MB1140.namprd18.prod.outlook.com">BN6PR18MB1140AFE2AB23BA5002B7A4DD8EB30@BN6PR18MB1140.namprd18.prod.outlook.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. <a href="http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers). So this is all definitely related.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sloane<br></div><div dir="ltr">________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net">6pack-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem. It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn button. I've had the car for 18 years, daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now, other than a bad<br></div><div dir="ltr">starter and alternator.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">A. Guzman<br></div><div dir="ltr">'76 TR6-Java Green<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190913/134f4bcd/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190913/134f4bcd/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:36:40 -0500<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Richard Lindsay <<a ymailto="mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com" href="mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: im sloane <<a ymailto="mailto:im_sloane@hotmail.com" href="mailto:im_sloane@hotmail.com">im_sloane@hotmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAOc+-dwgYJrdFXEUwTYU4QvYQWtY8_ki=JXvzQk54=<a ymailto="mailto:n3cSCWbw@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:n3cSCWbw@mail.gmail.com">n3cSCWbw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> Thanks! I have seen those schematics but didn't have a copy. Sloane, I<br></div><div dir="ltr">think you are right. The stalk switches and horn relay are likely culprits.<br></div><div dir="ltr">The kinds of quieky electrical problems that Mr. Guzman is addressing often<br></div><div dir="ltr">stem from broken grounds but a short in the stalk switches may eventually<br></div><div dir="ltr">be found. (Assumption that 'A.' is male, thus the prefix 'Mr.'. Although<br></div><div dir="ltr">today, assuming a gender is PC suicide.) Anyway...<br></div><div dir="ltr"> Good words of caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interesting<br></div><div dir="ltr">gadget. It was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and clip lead on<br></div><div dir="ltr">one end and a battery terminal connector on the other. The idea is to<br></div><div dir="ltr">remove the negative battery lead, attach the clip to the cable and place<br></div><div dir="ltr">the other on the battery post. Any circuit except the starter could work<br></div><div dir="ltr">but an accidental short circuit would pop the fuse rather than burning the<br></div><div dir="ltr">harness - or worse.<br></div><div dir="ltr"> From the pictures that A. sent, it would be good maintenance to<br></div><div dir="ltr">disconnect the battery and un-mount the relays for cleaning. As we know,<br></div><div dir="ltr">the lower relay is the starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current<br></div><div dir="ltr">from the ignition switch and helps provide the seat belt starter interlock.<br></div><div dir="ltr">A. also notes that the upper relay, the horn relay, shows a lot of<br></div><div dir="ltr">corrosion and that he has a new one on order. Great opportunity to clean<br></div><div dir="ltr">all the wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they still fit securely<br></div><div dir="ltr">on to the 1/4" male tabs. If not, replace them. I use SimpleGreen for<br></div><div dir="ltr">cleaning followed by brake cleaner as needed.<br></div><div dir="ltr"> A. also reports that although the horn relay 'clicks' at the press of<br></div><div dir="ltr">the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests a bad horn<br></div><div dir="ltr">relay. Although why the headlights flash on is more likely to be a short in<br></div><div dir="ltr">the column or associated stalk switches. Testing continues...<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Rick<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple<br></div><div dir="ltr">> circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending<br></div><div dir="ltr">> negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow?<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a<br></div><div dir="ltr">> circuit breaker, so you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see<br></div><div dir="ltr">> the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit<br></div><div dir="ltr">> which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers). So this<br></div><div dir="ltr">> is all definitely related.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Sloane<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">> *From:* 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net">6pack-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of tr6roadster via<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem. It is the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> headlights that blink when I press the horn button. I've had the car for<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 18 years, daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now, other<br></div><div dir="ltr">> than a bad<br></div><div dir="ltr">> starter and alternator.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> A. Guzman<br></div><div dir="ltr">> '76 TR6-Java Green<br></div><div dir="ltr">> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Suggested annual donation $12.96<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Unsubscribe/Manage:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/richardolindsay@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/richardolindsay@gmail.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190913/51739ede/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190913/51739ede/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:59:52 +0000 (UTC)<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: DAVID MASSEY <<a ymailto="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com" href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com">dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:906516148.4541438.1568375992543@mail.yahoo.com" href="mailto:906516148.4541438.1568375992543@mail.yahoo.com">906516148.4541438.1568375992543@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> Thanks for the reminder about this collection of schematics.? I've had these for many years and I have referred to them on many occasions.? Kudos to Dan Masters who put a lot of time in research and drawing these up.<br></div><div dir="ltr">The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function but the main power for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on the battery cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I am at a loss to explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in the fuse block could be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look for is a wire-to-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the steering wheel.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Did you or anyone else do some work under the dash and disconnect and reconnect wires?<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Dave <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">-----Original Message-----<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: im sloane via 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 10:05 pm<br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">#yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here.?<a href="http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow??<br></div><div dir="ltr">Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so? you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this is all definitely related.?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sloane??From: 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net">6pack-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack <<a ymailto="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net" href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.? It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn button.? I've had the car for 18 years,? daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,? other than a badstarter and alternator.??<br></div><div dir="ltr">A. 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