<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61994">Great question about the floors that I am also contemplating. I like seeing all the responses to the questions. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62328">I did not know the answer but I found a good answer online that matched other responses from (I have no link/business to them) : </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 33); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; white-space: nowrap;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62533" class=""><a href="http://www.muskegonbrake.com/" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62531">www.muskegonbrake.c</a>om</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 33); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; white-space: nowrap;" class=""><br></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62378"> Converting to silicone brake fluid has pros and cons, all of which should be considered before making the transition.. To start with, there are a few very good reasons to convert to DOT5 silicone brake fluid:</div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62377"> </div><ul style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 18px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; list-style-type: none; line-height: 18px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62373"><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 25px; background-image: none; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: no-repeat;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62376"> Silicone fluid is non-hydroscopic (it doesn’t attract or absorb water)</li><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 25px; background-image: none; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: no-repeat;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62375"> It will not ruin paint (glycol fluid will remove paint)</li><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 25px; background-image: none; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: no-repeat;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62374"> Silicone brake fluid has a higher dry boiling point than DOT3 and DOT4 fluid, providing better, more rugged performance under pressure</li><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 25px; background-image: none; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: no-repeat;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62372"> Silicone is a full synthetic fluid with superior lubrication properties for the pistons in the braking system (reduces wear on the seals and pistons)</li></ul><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62364"> </div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62365">As great as all this sounds, there are a few drawbacks as well:</div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62366"> </div><ul style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 18px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; list-style-type: none; line-height: 18px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62363"><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 25px; background-image: none; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: no-repeat;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62367">Silicone brake fluid does not mix with water, so any water that enters the system will travel to the lowest point (low point in caliper ore line)</li><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 25px; background-image: none; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: no-repeat;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62368">It will not mix with glycol based DOT3, DOT4, or DOT5.1 fluids (can create a gel, damaging braking system if mixed)</li><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 25px; background-image: none; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: no-repeat;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62362">Silicone brake fluid cannot be used in ABS braking systems</li></ul><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62369"> </div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62333" class="">These drawbacks should be taken into consideration before you switch, to make sure that a) your auto's braking system is up for the conversion, and b) the conversion to silicone brake fluid is done properly to ensure no damage is done to the vehicle.</div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62361"> </div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62357">The best time to convert to silicone brake fluid is when you are replacing the major brake system components, especially the master cylinder and calipers. Installing our Super Brake Kit is a great example. With the Super Brake Kit, you will replace all four calipers, rubber hoses, and the master cylinder, removing all brake fluid from the system and allowing for an easy conversion.</div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62370"> </div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62371">When pouring silicone brake fluid, do so slowly. DOT5 fluid has the ability to become aerated easily, which means that when handled quickly it can develop small bubbles. Pouring slowly to minimize splashing is best. Similarly, it has been suggested that if you uncap a bottle of DOT5 the day before you plan to work on the vehicle, it will allow any trapped air bubbles to rise to the top and dissipate.</div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62358"> </div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62359">When bleeding the brakes, use nice, even strokes to minimize the cavitation, which can create air bubbles. Alternatively, gravity bleeding is another way to reduce the amount of air bubbles in the system.</div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12.1599998474121px; line-height: 18px;" dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62360"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62795">Hope this helps.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62796">JB</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62169">Long live team 6pack!</span></div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:25 AM, Jim Jones via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5169001218"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23991"><span id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24298">James:</span></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23990"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982">These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case for the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pushing. Objectively speaking, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that I would walk away from him - no run!<span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982"><span id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23981">I had a moment of truth like that with my car. It was there in plain sight when I drove 700 miles to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel beneath the battery. It was not exactly pristine correct but it was solid. I had to make a decision then, but I did buy it. After all the other work I did on the car it was NOT an item that ever caused me concern. Frankly, if I was faced with doing that same repair I probably would have done the same thing.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982">What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise happy with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever way that makes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be re-done by future owners.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982">PS - Silicone fluid is just fantastic!</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982"> <br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23938"><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23937">Jim Jones
<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"> <div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24278" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24277" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv5169001218yqt7734520482" id="yiv5169001218yqt80698"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24276"> <hr size="1"> <font id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24289" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv5169001218y_msg_container" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24282"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv5169001218">
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<div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24281"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24280"><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24286">Hi all…</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24285"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24284">First….<span id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24283" style="font-size:12pt;">I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away….seriously…even after 22 years of my entire adult life.</span></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24279"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24491">I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's…and I gather he does very high end work….and accustom to people with deep pockets.</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24516">So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24451"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24450">First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24484">First overwhelming thought…body of the car? ugh.</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24490"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24485">Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24448">eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.</div><div>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24483"><br clear="none"></div><div>So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24486">Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24487">Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24489">I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...<span id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24488" style="font-size:12pt;">my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can </span><span style="font-size:12pt;">find a car</span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> that </span><span style="font-size:12pt;">comes close to showroom condition!!!</span></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm….what else…</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24452">…I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24482"><span style="font-size:12pt;">or:</span></div><div>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy…mercy…no more…make it stop" stage.</div><div>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again….I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and <span style="font-size:12pt;">I know the history of THIS car.</span></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24455"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24454"><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24453">Or:</div><div>another option….(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good welding job </div><div>but not nearly as intense of a procedure <font size="3">or expensive. I know</font>…<font size="3">you get what you pay for. </font></div></div><div><font size="3"><br clear="none"></font></div><div>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painted.</div><div>At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!</div><div>(only half kidding….)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Oh, one more thing….</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24481">this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.</div><div>I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!</div><div>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm….They void it if the silicone falls the parts.</div><div>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. </div><div>I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates. </div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24480"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24457">I was recently curious why <font id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24456" size="3">auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments</font>…<font id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24458" size="3">is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24459"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24477">Well, any advice or words of comfort?</div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24478"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24479">James</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>1976 TR6 </div><div><br clear="none"></div> </div></div>
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