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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry to hear of the quote shock. You
could always try the simple "scrape it down and then coat with POR"
method. Before that, a bit of braising could cover many sins. It would
definitely help in the floorpan area. Actually I was always under the
impression that the replacements were designed to be welded "in situ"
as it were. I've certainly seen it done enough. Perfection, maybe not, but
perfection is awfully expensive.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As to the Silicone question: Lord I do tire
of the fright-mongers. Silicone works. Period. After this much time, one would
think this question had been resolved, if only by the continued survival of the
people who have converted. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I asked a couple of list gurus like
Randall and then decided to give it a go. I was so sick of getting my paint
ruined by the seemingly unavoidable TR drips.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I did the bare minimum of work to switch
over. I just drained as much of the old fluid as I could, by unbolting the
calipers and turning them over to drain. I pumped a bottle of Dot5 through to
clean the lines and then just tightened the valves. I think I bled the system a
little once or twice in the next couple of days to get a little air out and
that was it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I haven't seen a wrinkle in the paint or
had a joint freeze up on the brake lines in the 10 years since I changed. Brakes
are nice and stiff, clutch is very good. It seems to me that the brake MC and
clutch MC seals last longer with the smoother feel of the silicone fluid. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway, one of the best changes I ever
made to the car. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about those...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mark Hooper<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1972 TR6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>James_ via 6pack<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> June-09-15 4:42 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">6pack@autox.team.net</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [6pack] Floorpan
replacement and Rust repair quote...</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Hi all…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First….I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and
walk away….seriously…even after 22 years of my entire adult life.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works
on Austin Healey's…and I gather he does very high end work….and
accustom to people with deep pockets.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the
best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be
off the frame to replace.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First overwhelming thought…body of the car? ugh.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels
fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects
the pedal box too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand
blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a <st1:place
w:st="on">LOT</st1:place> of money and the rest of the year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I
love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a
car is worth.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is
not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a
car that comes close to showroom condition!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed /
sad / hmmmm….what else…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>…I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say
screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive
it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>or:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached
that "mercy…mercy…no more…make it stop" stage.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again….I
mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of
THIS car.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Or:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>another option….(my original desire/thought) is to
have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a
really good welding job <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>but not nearly as intense of a procedure or
expensive. I know…you get what you pay for. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to
detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and
engine bay painted.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS -
they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is
removed!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>(only half kidding….)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Oh, one more thing….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to
Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being
voided if I use it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is
that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I
buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss,
etc. hmmmm….They void it if the silicone falls the parts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone
and he just follows what his dad hates. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to
carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration
guy's comments…is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Well, any advice or words of comfort?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>James<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>1976 TR6 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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