From bobfabie at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 06:05:11 2022 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:05:11 -0500 Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Message-ID: Yesterday, my TR6 came back to life for the first time since 2016. It started and ran beautifully without a hitch-square tires and all. I?m writing to give a shout-out and recommendations to the service providers and products I used, and certainly to the many 6Pack members who responded so quickly, and so often, with their experience based advice. Coventry Motor Works - Easton MD. Sandy Thompson and his sons own and operate a first class, full service British car restoration company. They rebuilt my stock transmission and it?s perfect. Ken Dolhonde rebuilt my Stromberg carbs; great service and, obviously, great work given how well the car runs. Jeff Schlemmer at Advance Distributor rebuilt my distributor and was always available to answer questions before and after the sale. Richard, owner of Goodparts, provided hours of phone help and advice. I purchased several parts from him, most notably, the street cam he recommended, which turned out to be a great choice for me. PARTS I installed and recommend because they have performed flawlessly: LUK Clutch Kit with the KOYO throw out bearing. Firenza Aluminum flywheel. Great replacement part! Rareelectircal gear reduction starter - flawless operation. ARP head bolts. Remflex header gasket. Excellent sealing. Goodparts GP 2/3 camshaft, parts & customer service. Ford Fiesta alternator upgrade; flawless plug and play. Thank you all; couldn?t do it without you!! Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It started and ran beautifully without a hitch-square tires and all. I?m writing to give a shout-out and recommendations to the service providers and products ?I used, and certainly to the many 6Pack members who responded so quickly, and so often, with their experience based advice. Coventry Motor Works - Easton MD. Sandy Thompson and his sons own and operate a first class, full service British car restoration company. They rebuilt my stock transmission and it?s perfect. Ken Dolhonde rebuilt my Stromberg carbs; great service and, obviously, great work given how well the car runs. Jeff Schlemmer at Advance Distributor rebuilt my distributor and was always available to answer questions before and after the sale. Richard, owner of Goodparts, provided hours of phone help and advice. I purchased several parts from him, most notably, the street cam he recommended, which turned out to be a great choice for me. PARTS I installed and recommend because they have performed flawlessly:?LUK Clutch Kit with the KOYO throw out bearing.Firenza Aluminum flywheel. Great replacement part!Rareelectircal gear reduction starter - flawless operation.ARP head bolts.Remflex header gasket. Excellent sealing.Goodparts GP 2/3 camshaft, parts & customer service.Ford Fiesta alternator upgrade; flawless plug and play. Thank you all; couldn?t do it without you!! Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I completely agree with you on > the feedback about Richard Good. I've got his GP3 cam and 1.65 roller > rockers in my engine, and he also did some great work to the cylinder head. > His products are great quality, and his support and advice is tremendous. > > Regards, > Tim Holbrook > 1971 TR6 (in hibernation for the winter) > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022, 08:05:40 AM EST, rmf3860 rmf3860 < > bobfabie at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yesterday, my TR6 came back to life for the first time since 2016. It > started and ran beautifully without a hitch-square tires and all. > > I?m writing to give a shout-out and recommendations to the service > providers and products I used, and certainly to the many 6Pack members who > responded so quickly, and so often, with their experience based advice. > > Coventry Motor Works - Easton MD. Sandy Thompson and his sons own and > operate a first class, full service British car restoration company. They > rebuilt my stock transmission and it?s perfect. > > Ken Dolhonde rebuilt my Stromberg carbs; great service and, obviously, > great work given how well the car runs. > > Jeff Schlemmer at Advance Distributor rebuilt my distributor and was > always available to answer questions before and after the sale. > > Richard, owner of Goodparts, provided hours of phone help and advice. I > purchased several parts from him, most notably, the street cam he > recommended, which turned out to be a great choice for me. > > PARTS I installed and recommend because they have performed flawlessly: > LUK Clutch Kit with the KOYO throw out bearing. > Firenza Aluminum flywheel. Great replacement part! > Rareelectircal gear reduction starter - flawless operation. > ARP head bolts. > Remflex header gasket. Excellent sealing. > Goodparts GP 2/3 camshaft, parts & customer service. > Ford Fiesta alternator upgrade; flawless plug and play. > > Thank you all; couldn?t do it without you!! > > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Having cam bearings installed made a tremendous difference in oil pressure-the lack of which prompted the engine rebuild. I?m concerned, however, that there are no leaks anywhere, which doesn?t seem normal. Thanks for your note. Bob On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:44 PM Timothy Holbrook > wrote: Thanks for sharing this Bob, and congrats!!! Sounds like you've done one heck of a build, I'm jealous! And it really is helpful that you've passed along these references and recommendations. I completely agree with you on the feedback about Richard Good. I've got his GP3 cam and 1.65 roller rockers in my engine, and he also did some great work to the cylinder head. His products are great quality, and his support and advice is tremendous. Regards, Tim Holbrook 1971 TR6 (in hibernation for the winter) On Tuesday, January 25, 2022, 08:05:40 AM EST, rmf3860 rmf3860 > wrote: Yesterday, my TR6 came back to life for the first time since 2016. It started and ran beautifully without a hitch-square tires and all. I?m writing to give a shout-out and recommendations to the service providers and products I used, and certainly to the many 6Pack members who responded so quickly, and so often, with their experience based advice. Coventry Motor Works - Easton MD. Sandy Thompson and his sons own and operate a first class, full service British car restoration company. They rebuilt my stock transmission and it?s perfect. Ken Dolhonde rebuilt my Stromberg carbs; great service and, obviously, great work given how well the car runs. Jeff Schlemmer at Advance Distributor rebuilt my distributor and was always available to answer questions before and after the sale. Richard, owner of Goodparts, provided hours of phone help and advice. I purchased several parts from him, most notably, the street cam he recommended, which turned out to be a great choice for me. PARTS I installed and recommend because they have performed flawlessly: LUK Clutch Kit with the KOYO throw out bearing. Firenza Aluminum flywheel. Great replacement part! Rareelectircal gear reduction starter - flawless operation. ARP head bolts. Remflex header gasket. Excellent sealing. Goodparts GP 2/3 camshaft, parts & customer service. Ford Fiesta alternator upgrade; flawless plug and play. Thank you all; couldn?t do it without you!! Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, VA [cid:image001.jpg at 01D81296.7000E1D0] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 86792 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From im_sloane at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 23:12:29 2022 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 06:12:29 +0000 Subject: [6pack] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <1134052195.2294626.1643139851040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "oil still looked like honey" Years ago, I'd put mine on ramps to change the oil. With the drain hole in the front of the pan, it too me way too many years to realize that (D'oh!) I was leaving at least a half quart of the black oil in there. Now I use jacks, and when it's down to a drip I lower the front and jack up the rear to let it drip for a few hours (sometime days). My favorite "oddity" about our cars is how you can't get the oil filter canister away from the car during a change. And just in case you don't know why, it's because the steering column is on the wrong side of our LHD cars. So, I just cock it down there and let it drip. It takes seasoned finesse to get that O-ring out, doesn't it? Sloane 69-Six 72-Spit ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of dave northrup Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 3:23 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] (no subject) Don?t be concerned about the lack of oil leaks. Properly buttoned up, with a few extras to stave off the weak spots, and you should be fine. A number of years ago my engine was rebuilt by an excellent craftsman. I put several hundred miles on it in the next couple of weeks and the oil still looked like honey after that. From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of rmf3860 rmf3860 Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:18 AM To: Timothy Holbrook Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] (no subject) Thanks Tim. Put 50 more miles on it yesterday (top down and 40?) and I?m very pleased that it runs better than ever. Having cam bearings installed made a tremendous difference in oil pressure-the lack of which prompted the engine rebuild. I?m concerned, however, that there are no leaks anywhere, which doesn?t seem normal. Thanks for your note. Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.lang.tr6 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 04:46:48 2022 From: robert.lang.tr6 at gmail.com (Bob Lang) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 06:46:48 -0500 Subject: [6pack] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <1134052195.2294626.1643139851040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Having done hundreds of TR6 oil changes with the stock filter setup, it is easier to get the canister out from the bottom by dropping the clutch slave out of the way. Dealers back in the day would remove the fuel pump to access from the top but I had personal experience where they left the fuel pump disconnected. Needless to say it's quite the attention getter to be stranded on a major thoroughfare at rush hour within sight of the dealership! C ya rml On Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 1:13 AM im sloane wrote: > "oil still looked like honey" > > Years ago, I'd put mine on ramps to change the oil. With the drain hole in > the front of the pan, it too me way too many years to realize that (D'oh!) > I was leaving at least a half quart of the black oil in there. Now I use > jacks, and when it's down to a drip I lower the front and jack up the rear > to let it drip for a few hours (sometime days). My favorite "oddity" about > our cars is how you can't get the oil filter canister away from the car > during a change. And just in case you don't know why, it's because the > steering column is on the wrong side of our LHD cars. So, I just cock it > down there and let it drip. It takes seasoned finesse to get that O-ring > out, doesn't it? > > Sloane > 69-Six > 72-Spit > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of dave northrup < > dave at ranteer.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2022 3:23 PM > *To:* 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> > *Subject:* Re: [6pack] (no subject) > > > Don?t be concerned about the lack of oil leaks. Properly buttoned up, > with a few extras to stave off the weak spots, and you should be fine. > > > > A number of years ago my engine was rebuilt by an excellent craftsman. I > put several hundred miles on it in the next couple of weeks and the oil > still looked like honey after that. > > > > > > *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *rmf3860 > rmf3860 > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:18 AM > *To:* Timothy Holbrook > *Cc:* 6pack at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [6pack] (no subject) > > > > Thanks Tim. Put 50 more miles on it yesterday (top down and 40?) and I?m > very pleased that it runs better than ever. Having cam bearings installed > made a tremendous difference in oil pressure-the lack of which prompted the > engine rebuild. I?m concerned, however, that there are no leaks anywhere, > which doesn?t seem normal. > > > > Thanks for your note. > > Bob > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/robert.lang.tr6 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex Thomson From: 6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of otral at juno.com Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:43 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Rear end clunk Twenty years of rear end clunk when I put it in reverse with cold engine and I'm tired of it. But as soon as the engine warms up it disappears and i dismiss it. Do I bite the bullet and get it checked out? I'm sure my mechanic will say get it fixed. And how much do you think a repaired rear end will cost me? Al in CT with 74 French Blue ____________________________________________________________ Choose to be safer online. Opt-in to Cyber Safety with NortonLifeLock. Plans starting as low as $6.95 per month.* NetZero.com/NortonLifeLock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks. Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vsnively at aol.com Fri Jan 28 04:17:24 2022 From: vsnively at aol.com (Victor Snively) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 11:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Two Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1750870188.1776371.1643368644167@mail.yahoo.com> Bob, I experienced the back-up light issue (they didn't work) when I bought the car 22 years ago. It needed a clutch, and once I had everything ready to button up after reassembly, I noticed there were two green pigtails in the harness, but discovered only one operated the back-up lights. Someone previous to me chose the wrong one. I simply switched the bullet connector from one pigtail to the other and back-up lights worked. I don't remember a red thread, but I do remember a "dummy" pigtail, or at least the one that didn't juice the back-up lights. I'm fairly certain that the harness is original (1975) to the car, not sure what's the function of alternate pigtail. It's an overdrive car, but it works fine. Hope this helps. Regards,Vic Snively'75 TR6 w/AC -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 10:09 pm Subject: [6pack] Two Issues Hello All, As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that? I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.? First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at all.? Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/vsnively at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Fri Jan 28 05:53:08 2022 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Two Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.? As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch to the lights.? The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.? The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good. Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?? If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the flasher to flash. On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.? The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.? The ground connection is the usual suspect.? Start there.? If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. Dave -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm Subject: [6pack] Two Issues Hello All, As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that? I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.? First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at all.? Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobfabie at gmail.com Fri Jan 28 06:11:10 2022 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:11:10 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Two Issues In-Reply-To: <1750870188.1776371.1643368644167@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1750870188.1776371.1643368644167@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Victor, Thank you for replying. I will switch the bullet pigtail wires as you suggested. I was initially concerned about one of the three green wires having a colored thread and trying to match it up correctly. I believe that ?other pigtail set? is for cars with a seatbelt warning module. Mine also has it but it was taped off. Our cars are the same year and we?ve owned them for the same number of years (21 for me), however, I don?t have AC or OD. Thanks again for your suggestion. All be well. Bob Fabie ?75 TR6 On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:17 AM Victor Snively wrote: > Bob, > > I experienced the back-up light issue (they didn't work) when I bought the > car 22 years ago. It needed a clutch, and once I had everything ready to > button up after reassembly, I noticed there were two green pigtails in the > harness, but discovered only one operated the back-up lights. Someone > previous to me chose the wrong one. I simply switched the bullet connector > from one pigtail to the other and back-up lights worked. I don't remember a > red thread, but I do remember a "dummy" pigtail, or at least the one that > didn't juice the back-up lights. I'm fairly certain that the harness is > original (1975) to the car, not sure what's the function of alternate > pigtail. It's an overdrive car, but it works fine. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Vic Snively > '75 TR6 w/AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 10:09 pm > Subject: [6pack] Two Issues > > Hello All, > > As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running > beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a > few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other > important things interfered. Imagine that? > > I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, > probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. > > First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at > all. > > Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light > harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out > how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the > passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are > solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are > almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different > color thread. > > Can anyone help me sort out these issues? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/vsnively at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vsnively at aol.com Fri Jan 28 08:39:29 2022 From: vsnively at aol.com (Victor Snively) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 15:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Two Issues In-Reply-To: References: <1750870188.1776371.1643368644167@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1763879344.1815050.1643384369995@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Bob. Forgot about the seatbelt module. Mine was disconnected when I bought the car and I left it that way. -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: Victor Snively Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 8:11 am Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Victor, Thank you for replying. I will switch the bullet pigtail wires as you suggested. I was initially concerned about one of the three green wires having a colored thread and trying to match it up correctly.? I believe that ?other pigtail set? is for cars with a seatbelt warning module. Mine also has it but it was taped off. Our cars are the same year and we?ve owned them for the same number of years (21 for me), however, I don?t have AC or OD.? Thanks again for your suggestion.? All be well. Bob Fabie?75 TR6 On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:17 AM Victor Snively wrote: Bob, I experienced the back-up light issue (they didn't work) when I bought the car 22 years ago. It needed a clutch, and once I had everything ready to button up after reassembly, I noticed there were two green pigtails in the harness, but discovered only one operated the back-up lights. Someone previous to me chose the wrong one. I simply switched the bullet connector from one pigtail to the other and back-up lights worked. I don't remember a red thread, but I do remember a "dummy" pigtail, or at least the one that didn't juice the back-up lights. I'm fairly certain that the harness is original (1975) to the car, not sure what's the function of alternate pigtail. It's an overdrive car, but it works fine. Hope this helps. Regards,Vic Snively'75 TR6 w/AC -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 10:09 pm Subject: [6pack] Two Issues Hello All, As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that? I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.? First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at all.? Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/vsnively at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From otral at juno.com Fri Jan 28 11:03:29 2022 From: otral at juno.com (otral at juno.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 18:03:29 GMT Subject: [6pack] Clunk Message-ID: <20220128.130329.21832.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Thanks to all who replied to my query. I never think of looking for the obvious. 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URL: From bobfabie at gmail.com Fri Jan 28 17:11:31 2022 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 19:11:31 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Two Issues In-Reply-To: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dave, Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back up lights, THEY WORKED! The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues. Thanks again for your help. Bob Fabie On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's > handy wiring diagrams. As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 > volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the > switch to the lights. The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on. > The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, > turn signals so if they work you are probably good. > > Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one? If one bulb > is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the > flasher to flash. > > On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets. The > sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old. The > ground connection is the usual suspect. Start there. If you have a volt > meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm > Subject: [6pack] Two Issues > > Hello All, > > As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running > beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a > few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other > important things interfered. Imagine that? > > I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, > probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. > > First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at > all. > > Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light > harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out > how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the > passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are > solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are > almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different > color thread. > > Can anyone help me sort out these issues? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sat Jan 29 06:30:02 2022 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 08:30:02 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Two Issues In-Reply-To: References: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, When I was restoring my 72 the rear lights did not work very well. I posted a query and the answer was the ground in the sockets could be suspect. The real problem is the original socket assemblies were poorly made. Anyway, I finally fixed the problem by grounding every socket individually and no problems since. There used to be a replacement for the original sockets but it NLA. Bob On 1/28/22 7:11 PM, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > Dave, > > Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered > out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. > When I connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected > to the trans back up lights, THEY WORKED! > > The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only > flash on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn > signals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal > module and hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any > other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues. > > Thanks again for your help. > > Bob Fabie > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY > wrote: > > Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan > Master's handy wiring diagrams.? As you can see, there is a green > wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which > feeds power from the switch to the lights.? The Green wire should > be hot anytime the key is on.? The fuse that feeds it also feeds > power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so if they > work you are probably good. > > Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?? If > one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough > current to cause the flasher to flash. > > On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.? > The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get > old. The ground connection is the usual suspect.? Start there.? If > you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they > plug onto the sockets. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > <6pack at autox.team.net > > Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm > Subject: [6pack] Two Issues > > Hello All, > > As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running > beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up > taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. > Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that? > > I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two > issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. > > First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t > work at all. > > Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back > up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t > quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 > bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that > two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a > ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to > discern which are solid and which has a different color thread. > > Can anyone help me sort out these issues? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/yellowtr at adelphia.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sat Jan 29 06:38:56 2022 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 13:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Two Issues In-Reply-To: References: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1118501223.3840677.1643463536134@mail.yahoo.com> OK.? No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.? The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.? If those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.? If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.? I'd start there. Dave -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Dave, Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back up lights, THEY WORKED! The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues. Thanks again for your help. Bob Fabie On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.? As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch to the lights.? The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.? The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good. Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?? If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the flasher to flash. On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.? The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.? The ground connection is the usual suspect.? Start there.? If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. Dave -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm Subject: [6pack] Two Issues Hello All, As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that? I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.? First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at all.? Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobfabie at gmail.com Sat Jan 29 06:49:38 2022 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 08:49:38 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Two Issues In-Reply-To: <1118501223.3840677.1643463536134@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> <1118501223.3840677.1643463536134@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Dave. I?ll start by replacing the hazard and turn signal relays which should arrive today or tomorrow. Bob On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 8:39 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > OK. No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch. The hazard switch > disconnects the turn signal flasher. If those contacts are dodgy the turn > signals won't work. If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they > won't work in the hazard mode. I'd start there. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: DAVID MASSEY > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm > Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues > > Dave, > > Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out > the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I > connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans > back up lights, THEY WORKED! > > The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash > on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the > drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard > module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to > the cause(s) of these issues. > > Thanks again for your help. > > Bob Fabie > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's > handy wiring diagrams. As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 > volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the > switch to the lights. The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on. > The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, > turn signals so if they work you are probably good. > > Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one? If one bulb > is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the > flasher to flash. > > On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets. The > sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old. The > ground connection is the usual suspect. Start there. If you have a volt > meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm > Subject: [6pack] Two Issues > > Hello All, > > As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running > beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a > few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other > important things interfered. Imagine that? > > I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, > probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. > > First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at > all. > > Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light > harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out > how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the > passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are > solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are > almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different > color thread. > > Can anyone help me sort out these issues? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: