[6pack] Two Issues

Tue Feb 1 15:32:00 MST 2022

Tom, Dave et.al,

Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a
couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove
the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at
the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so
I'm going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast).

Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Check the emergency flasher switch.  Power to the turn signal flasher
> passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the
> emergency flashers are engaged.
>
> Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and
> jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> To: im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com>
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
> I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non
> functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work.
> Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way
> hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and
> washer, trunk light - everything works.
>
> What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal
> flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.
>
> Thanks
> Bob Fabie
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a
> bugger.  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm
> reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  12V
> has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K
> (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it
> sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the
> Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V
> from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate)
> wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when
> you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power,
> causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.
>
> The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on
> the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.
>
> When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to
> the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and
> then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.
>
> So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a
> switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard
> flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the
> light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to
> both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter
> thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the
> flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.
>
> Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely
> disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a
> new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.
> Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.
>
> A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering
> column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that
> front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the
> turn signal switch.
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
> 72-Spit
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <
> dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
> *To:* bobfabie at gmail.com <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.  The hazard switch
> disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the turn
> signals won't work.  If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they
> won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> Dave,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out
> the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I
> connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans
> back up lights, THEY WORKED!
>
> The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash
> on he driver’s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the
> drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard
> module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to
> the cause(s) of these issues.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Bob Fabie
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's
> handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12
> volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the
> switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.
> The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges,
> turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
>
> Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bulb
> is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the
> flasher to flash.
>
> On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.  The
> sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.  The
> ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a volt
> meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
> Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> Hello All,
>
> As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running
> beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a
> few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other
> important things interfered. Imagine that…
>
> I’m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues,
> probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.
>
> First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn’t work at
> all.
>
> Second: The back-up lights don’t work. I’ve installed a new back up light
> harness. I’ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can’t quite figure out
> how the 3 wires connect to the main harness’ 3 bullet connectors in the
> passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are
> solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are
> almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different
> color thread.
>
> Can anyone help me sort out these issues?
>
> Thanks.
> Bob Fabie
> Fredericksburg, VA
>
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