From im_sloane at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  1 09:11:04 2022
From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:11:04 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
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Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  12V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.  Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the turn signal switch.

Sloane
69-Six
72-Spit

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From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.  The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.  If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.

Dave



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From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com<mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>> wrote:
[X]
Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.  The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.  The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.  The ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



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Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that?

I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at all.

Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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From bobfabie at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 12:52:33 2022
From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 14:52:33 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
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Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non
functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work.
Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way
hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and
washer, trunk light - everything works.

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal
flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks
Bob Fabie


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a
> bugger.  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm
> reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  12V
> has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K
> (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it
> sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the
> Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V
> from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate)
> wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when
> you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power,
> causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.
>
> The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on
> the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.
>
> When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to
> the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and
> then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.
>
> So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a
> switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard
> flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the
> light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to
> both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter
> thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the
> flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.
>
> Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely
> disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a
> new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.
> Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.
>
> A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering
> column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that
> front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the
> turn signal switch.
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
> 72-Spit
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <
> dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
> *To:* bobfabie at gmail.com <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.  The hazard switch
> disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the turn
> signals won't work.  If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they
> won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> Dave,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out
> the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I
> connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans
> back up lights, THEY WORKED!
>
> The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash
> on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the
> drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard
> module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to
> the cause(s) of these issues.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Bob Fabie
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's
> handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12
> volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the
> switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.
> The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges,
> turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
>
> Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bulb
> is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the
> flasher to flash.
>
> On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.  The
> sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.  The
> ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a volt
> meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
> Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> Hello All,
>
> As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running
> beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a
> few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other
> important things interfered. Imagine that?
>
> I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues,
> probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.
>
> First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at
> all.
>
> Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light
> harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out
> how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the
> passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are
> solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are
> almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different
> color thread.
>
> Can anyone help me sort out these issues?
>
> Thanks.
> Bob Fabie
> Fredericksburg, VA
>
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From tom.lofgren at stanfordalumni.org  Tue Feb  1 13:39:22 2022
From: tom.lofgren at stanfordalumni.org (Tom Lofgren)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 12:39:22 -0800
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
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If your hazards are working, then it sure seems like it could be your turn
signal switch on the column.

Tom
'69 TR6
'63 TR4

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:53 AM rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
> I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non
> functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work.
> Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way
> hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and
> washer, trunk light - everything works.
>
> What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal
> flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.
>
> Thanks
> Bob Fabie
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a
>> bugger.  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm
>> reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  12V
>> has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K
>> (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it
>> sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the
>> Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V
>> from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate)
>> wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when
>> you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power,
>> causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.
>>
>> The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are
>> on the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.
>>
>> When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S
>> to the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch
>> and then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.
>>
>> So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a
>> switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard
>> flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the
>> light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to
>> both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter
>> thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the
>> flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.
>>
>> Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely
>> disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a
>> new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.
>> Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.
>>
>> A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering
>> column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that
>> front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the
>> turn signal switch.
>>
>> Sloane
>> 69-Six
>> 72-Spit
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <
>> dave1massey at cs.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
>> *To:* bobfabie at gmail.com <bobfabie at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>>
>> OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.  The hazard switch
>> disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the turn
>> signals won't work.  If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they
>> won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
>> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
>> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out
>> the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I
>> connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans
>> back up lights, THEY WORKED!
>>
>> The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only
>> flash on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals
>> on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and
>> hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts
>> as to the cause(s) of these issues.
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>>
>> Bob Fabie
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's
>> handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12
>> volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the
>> switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.
>> The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges,
>> turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
>>
>> Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bulb
>> is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the
>> flasher to flash.
>>
>> On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.  The
>> sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.  The
>> ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a volt
>> meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
>> To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
>> Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running
>> beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a
>> few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other
>> important things interfered. Imagine that?
>>
>> I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues,
>> probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.
>>
>> First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work
>> at all.
>>
>> Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light
>> harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out
>> how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the
>> passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are
>> solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are
>> almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different
>> color thread.
>>
>> Can anyone help me sort out these issues?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Bob Fabie
>> Fredericksburg, VA
>>
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From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 22:04:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
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 Check the emergency flasher switch.? Power to the turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emergency flashers are engaged.? 

Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything works. 

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.
ThanksBob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com> wrote:

Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.? I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)? 12V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.?
The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.?
When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.?
So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.?
Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.? Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.?
A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the turn signal switch.?
Sloane?69-Six72-Spit
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues?OK.? No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.? The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.? If those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.? If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.? I'd start there.

Dave 



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To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back up lights, THEY WORKED!
The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.
Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.? As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch to the lights.? The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.? The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?? If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the flasher to flash.
On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.? The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.? The ground connection is the usual suspect.? Start there.? If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave 



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Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,
As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that?
I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.?
First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at all.?
Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread.
Can anyone help me sort out these issues?
Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA
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Tom, Dave et.al,

Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a
couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove
the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at
the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so
I'm going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast).

Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Check the emergency flasher switch.  Power to the turn signal flasher
> passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the
> emergency flashers are engaged.
>
> Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and
> jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> To: im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com>
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
> I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non
> functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work.
> Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way
> hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and
> washer, trunk light - everything works.
>
> What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal
> flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.
>
> Thanks
> Bob Fabie
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a
> bugger.  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm
> reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  12V
> has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K
> (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it
> sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the
> Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V
> from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate)
> wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when
> you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power,
> causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.
>
> The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on
> the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.
>
> When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to
> the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and
> then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.
>
> So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a
> switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard
> flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the
> light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to
> both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter
> thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the
> flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.
>
> Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely
> disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a
> new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.
> Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.
>
> A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering
> column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that
> front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the
> turn signal switch.
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
> 72-Spit
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <
> dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
> *To:* bobfabie at gmail.com <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.  The hazard switch
> disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the turn
> signals won't work.  If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they
> won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> Dave,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out
> the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I
> connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans
> back up lights, THEY WORKED!
>
> The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash
> on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the
> drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard
> module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to
> the cause(s) of these issues.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Bob Fabie
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's
> handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12
> volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the
> switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.
> The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges,
> turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
>
> Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bulb
> is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the
> flasher to flash.
>
> On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.  The
> sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.  The
> ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a volt
> meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
> Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> Hello All,
>
> As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running
> beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a
> few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other
> important things interfered. Imagine that?
>
> I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues,
> probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.
>
> First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at
> all.
>
> Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light
> harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out
> how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the
> passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are
> solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are
> almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different
> color thread.
>
> Can anyone help me sort out these issues?
>
> Thanks.
> Bob Fabie
> Fredericksburg, VA
>
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Temporarily bypass the hazard switch by sending a known 12V to the input side of the turn signal flasher. Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave the green/brown wire connected. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the battery, but I'm brave) to where the green/slate was connected. If the flasher is OK and the column switch is OK, they should work left and right.

I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switch connector. It's a PIA.  I probably wouldn't go back in there without a brand-new Hazard switch in hand.

Sloane

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Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Tom, Dave et.al<http://et.al>,

Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast).

Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com<mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>> wrote:
Check the emergency flasher switch.  Power to the turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emergency flashers are engaged.

Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.


Dave



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To: im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com<mailto:im_sloane at hotmail.com>>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net<mailto:6pack at autox.team.net> <6pack at autox.team.net<mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything works.

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks
Bob Fabie


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com<mailto:im_sloane at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  12V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.  Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the turn signal switch.

Sloane
69-Six
72-Spit

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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.  The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.  If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.

Dave



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Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com<mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>> wrote:
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Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.  The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.  The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.  The ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



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Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that?

I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at all.

Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Feb  2 06:05:40 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:05:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
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 Good idea.? Consider this the diagnosis phase.? If they work then you have a choice.? 

1) Pull the gauges (or just the tach) and fix/replace the switch, or 

2) Just find an alternate feed (green wire) and let it go at that.? 

The only down side to #2 is that if you engage the flashers with the key off AND with the turn signal in the right or left position there will be a cross circuit that will try to feed the green and the white circuits through the flashers.? I think the flashers will be the weak link but they are relatively easy to replace.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

#yiv6598302901 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Temporarily bypass the hazard switch by sending a known 12V to the input side of the turn signal flasher. Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave the green/brown wire connected. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the battery, but I'm brave) to where the green/slate was connected. If the flasher is OK and the column switch is OK, they should work left and right.? ?
I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switch connector. It's a PIA.? I probably wouldn't go back in there without a brand-new Hazard switch in hand.?
Sloane?
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Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues?Tom, Dave et.al,
Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast).
Thanks again for your help.Bob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

Check the emergency flasher switch.? Power to the turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emergency flashers are engaged.?

Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.

Dave 



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Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything works. 

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.
ThanksBob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com> wrote:

Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.? I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)? 12V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.?
The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.?
When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.?
So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.?
Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.? Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.?
A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the turn signal switch.?
Sloane?69-Six72-Spit
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues?OK.? No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.? The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.? If those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.? If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.? I'd start there.

Dave 



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Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back up lights, THEY WORKED!
The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash on he driver?s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.
Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.? As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch to the lights.? The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.? The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?? If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the flasher to flash.
On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.? The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.? The ground connection is the usual suspect.? Start there.? If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave 



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Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,
As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important things interfered. Imagine that?
I?m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.?
First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn?t work at all.?
Second: The back-up lights don?t work. I?ve installed a new back up light harness. I?ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can?t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness? 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different color thread.
Can anyone help me sort out these issues?
Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA
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From bobfabie at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 18:43:40 2022
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 19:43:40 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Is The Server Down?
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Hello All,

Don?t need anything, but haven?t seen any mail from the group for a couple
weeks. Has anyone else been receiving any mail?

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 18 19:20:06 2022
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 02:20:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [6pack] Is The Server Down?
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There has been traffic.? Not much but some.

Dave 
 
  On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 19:44, rmf3860 rmf3860<bobfabie at gmail.com> wrote:   Hello All,
Don?t need anything, but haven?t seen any mail from the group for a couple weeks. Has anyone else been receiving any mail?
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 Test for Bob Fabie.
 
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I got it!! Thanks Dave.
Bob Fabie

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I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease? nipple.? ? ?Advice or tricks? on accomplishing this?? ?Easy to do if hub is off the car.Thank you,? ? Bruce 73 tr6

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From im_sloane at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 22 23:42:13 2022
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 06:42:13 +0000
Subject: [6pack] question for 6packers if  too quiet
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I've always heard it's impossible to grease those 2 u-joints, unless you have a hole cut in your wishbones at just the right place. I suppose it's obvious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild.

Sloane
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I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease  nipple.     Advice or tricks  on accomplishing this?   Easy to do if hub is off the car.
Thank you,    Bruce 73 tr6

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From robert.lang.tr6 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 05:21:03 2022
From: robert.lang.tr6 at gmail.com (Bob Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:21:03 -0500
Subject: [6pack] question for 6packers if too quiet
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I always remove the outer axles to grease the outer u-joint. I find it
usually pays to take the brake drum off to check stuff so it's no big deal
to pull the outer axles.  Plus you get to make sure the studs for the hub
attachment are not stripped. You can also use the opportunity to clean up
the brake dust.

C ya
Bob Lang

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> I've always heard it's impossible to grease those 2 u-joints, unless you
> have a hole cut in your wishbones at just the right place. I suppose it's
> obvious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild.
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
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> I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and
> the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease
> nipple.     Advice or tricks  on accomplishing this?   Easy to do if hub is
> off the car.
> Thank you,    Bruce 73 tr6
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From patrick.bloem at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 23 12:49:18 2022
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 19:49:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 84, Issue 8
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I've always heard it's impossible to grease those 2 u-joints, unless you have a hole cut in your wishbones at just the right place. I suppose it's obvious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild.

Sloane
69-Six
72-Spit
All,In light of machining a hole in the trailing arm does anyone have a dimension to do this?? I have extra Trailing arms and may look into this and then put in a rubber plug when not servicing.?


J. Patrick Bloem68 TR-25073 TR-6 

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? 1. question for 6packers if? too quiet (Yahoo)
? 2. Re: question for 6packers if? too quiet (im sloane)
? 3. Re: question for 6packers if too quiet (Bob Lang)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:12:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: Yahoo <brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca>
To: "6pack at autox.team.net" <6pack at autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] question for 6packers if? too quiet
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I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease? nipple.? ? ?Advice or tricks? on accomplishing this?? ?Easy to do if hub is off the car.Thank you,? ? Bruce 73 tr6

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 06:42:13 +0000
From: im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [6pack] question for 6packers if? too quiet
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I've always heard it's impossible to grease those 2 u-joints, unless you have a hole cut in your wishbones at just the right place. I suppose it's obvious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild.

Sloane
69-Six
72-Spit
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I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease? nipple.? ? Advice or tricks? on accomplishing this?? Easy to do if hub is off the car.
Thank you,? ? Bruce 73 tr6

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:21:03 -0500
From: Bob Lang <robert.lang.tr6 at gmail.com>
To: im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] question for 6packers if too quiet
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I always remove the outer axles to grease the outer u-joint. I find it
usually pays to take the brake drum off to check stuff so it's no big deal
to pull the outer axles.? Plus you get to make sure the studs for the hub
attachment are not stripped. You can also use the opportunity to clean up
the brake dust.

C ya
Bob Lang

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 1:42 AM im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've always heard it's impossible to grease those 2 u-joints, unless you
> have a hole cut in your wishbones at just the right place. I suppose it's
> obvious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild.
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
> 72-Spit
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> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Yahoo <
> brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2022 8:12 PM
> *To:* 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [6pack] question for 6packers if too quiet
>
> I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and
> the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease
> nipple.? ? Advice or tricks? on accomplishing this?? Easy to do if hub is
> off the car.
> Thank you,? ? Bruce 73 tr6
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From bobfabie at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 20:02:30 2022
From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:02:30 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Need One Aluminum Wheel Trim Ring
Message-ID: <CA+aQ7wzwjdKcNLDHX+JjYqbdrr=wkg4nJ+-nxD4j6mAY_AVASw@mail.gmail.com>

Any chance someone has one (or two) original aluminum beauty rings in
excellent condition for sale?

Thank you.
Bob F.
Fredericksburg, VA
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From bobfabie at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 20:30:53 2022
From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:30:53 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Need One Aluminum Wheel Trim Ring
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References: <CA+aQ7wzwjdKcNLDHX+JjYqbdrr=wkg4nJ+-nxD4j6mAY_AVASw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+aQ7wza5sFAqhWPANniLpFzSe0ub1zRg5SYQa0r=VAKwEPVmA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Dave. I?m looking for original aluminum ones.

Bob

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:14 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> I have a pretty good set of 4 chrome
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
> Date: 2/23/22 9:03 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: [6pack] Need One Aluminum Wheel Trim Ring
>
> Any chance someone has one (or two) original aluminum beauty rings in
> excellent condition for sale?
>
> Thank you.
> Bob F.
> Fredericksburg, VA
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From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 23:09:50 2022
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 01:09:50 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Need One Aluminum Wheel Trim Ring
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 <720c0c61968b45d68ea2213af4ed3a22@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <9fa780cd-fb9d-a1f4-748c-bf1cf0246303@gmail.com>

Bob,

I've got a set of 4 original aluminum trim rings available but I don't 
want to break up the set.? If you can use the set, we can negotiate a price.

Chuck
Xenia, OH


On 2/23/2022 10:30 PM, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote:
> Thanks, Dave. I?m looking for original aluminum ones.
>
> Bob
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:14 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>     I have a pretty good set of 4 chrome
>
>
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie at gmail.com>
>     Date: 2/23/22 9:03 PM (GMT-06:00)
>     To: 6pack at autox.team.net
>     Subject: [6pack] Need One Aluminum Wheel Trim Ring
>
>     Any chance someone has one (or two) original aluminum beauty rings
>     in excellent condition for sale?
>
>     Thank you.
>     Bob F.
>     Fredericksburg, VA
>
>
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