From tjh173 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 1 06:55:08 2021 From: tjh173 at yahoo.com (Timothy Holbrook) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 12:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] front spoiler References: <438848148.2249176.1622552108909.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <438848148.2249176.1622552108909@mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I saw this car come up for sale on Bring A Trailer, and the front spoiler caught my eye. Modified 1974 Triumph TR6 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 4 (Lot #49,079) | Bring a Trailer If you look at it closely, you'll see it's got a more aggressive profile than the stock spoiler that Triumph fitted to TR6's from 1973 onwards.? I asked the owner where he got it, but it was already fitted to the car before he bought it, so he doesn't really know.? He commented that he thinks it came from Rimmer in UK, but looking at their website it just again looks like the OE style.? Anyone know anything about this style of spoiler?? I love the look! 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On Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 7:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > I?ve looked ?everywhere? and cannot find a 7/16-24 thread chaser tap to > clean out the block holes. I assume I?m correct about the 7/16-24 size. > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/richardolindsay at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 18:30:33 2021 From: taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 17:30:33 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475DEEF8-EC7C-4FC1-B3C3-8785FD06A018@yahoo.com> Bob ? I?m pretty sure all the 7/16" bolts and nuts in the TR are 20 tpi. Dick > On Jun 14, 2021, at 5:11 PM, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > > I?ve looked ?everywhere? and cannot find a 7/16-24 thread chaser tap to clean out the block holes. I assume I?m correct about the 7/16-24 size. > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com > From aljlthomson at charter.net Mon Jun 14 18:53:37 2021 From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:53:37 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a801d76180$e04fbff0$a0ef3fd0$@charter.net> Bob ? Check that thread size again. 7/16 SAE UNF thread is 20 Threads per Inch. There is a 7/16-24 thread size listed in the McMaster-Carr catalog but I?m not sure if that is what you want. https://www.mcmaster.com/taps/general-purpose-taps-9/ Alex Thomson From: 6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rmf3860 rmf3860 Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 8:11 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts I?ve looked ?everywhere? and cannot find a 7/16-24 thread chaser tap to clean out the block holes. I assume I?m correct about the 7/16-24 size. Thanks. Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobfabie at gmail.com Mon Jun 14 21:00:24 2021 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 23:00:24 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts In-Reply-To: <00a801d76180$e04fbff0$a0ef3fd0$@charter.net> References: <00a801d76180$e04fbff0$a0ef3fd0$@charter.net> Message-ID: Gents. Thank you Dick, Janet, Richard, and Alex for responding. I assumed, incorrectly, that the bolt was a 7/16 -24, but I?ve been informed it?s 7/16-20. I?ve also been taught how to make a thread cleaning ?tap?. Thanks to all. Bob On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:53 PM Alex & Janet Thomson < aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote: > Bob ? Check that thread size again. 7/16 SAE UNF thread is 20 Threads per > Inch. There is a 7/16-24 thread size listed in the McMaster-Carr catalog > but I?m not sure if that is what you want. > > > > https://www.mcmaster.com/taps/general-purpose-taps-9/ > > > > Alex Thomson > > > > *From:* 6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *rmf3860 > rmf3860 > *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 8:11 PM > *To:* 6pack at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts > > > > I?ve looked ?everywhere? and cannot find a 7/16-24 thread chaser tap to > clean out the block holes. I assume I?m correct about the 7/16-24 size. > > > > Thanks. > > Bob Fabie > > Fredericksburg, VA > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 22:31:18 2021 From: taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 21:31:18 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts In-Reply-To: References: <00a801d76180$e04fbff0$a0ef3fd0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <91584E91-D43C-4E78-BA4E-87C7C222CA44@yahoo.com> Yes, if the threads are decent they can be revived by making this "tool". The 7/16x20tpi tap and die is usually included in a set as sold by Sears and others. Dick > On Jun 14, 2021, at 8:00 PM, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > > Gents. > > Thank you Dick, Janet, Richard, and Alex for responding. I assumed, incorrectly, that the bolt was a 7/16 -24, but I?ve been informed it?s 7/16-20. I?ve also been taught how to make a thread cleaning ?tap?. > > Thanks to all. > > Bob > >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:53 PM Alex & Janet Thomson wrote: >> Bob ? Check that thread size again. 7/16 SAE UNF thread is 20 Threads per Inch. There is a 7/16-24 thread size listed in the McMaster-Carr catalog but I?m not sure if that is what you want. >> >> >> >> https://www.mcmaster.com/taps/general-purpose-taps-9/ >> >> >> >> >> Alex Thomson >> >> >> >> From: 6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rmf3860 rmf3860 >> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 8:11 PM >> To: 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts >> >> >> >> I?ve looked ?everywhere? and cannot find a 7/16-24 thread chaser tap to clean out the block holes. I assume I?m correct about the 7/16-24 size. >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Bob Fabie >> >> Fredericksburg, VA >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Jun 15 06:54:37 2021 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459594010.128447.1623761677173@mail.yahoo.com> Have you tried McMaster-Carr? https://www.mcmaster.com/taps/thread-size~7-16-24/?SrchEntryWebPart_InpBox=taps Dave -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jun 14, 2021 7:11 pm Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts I?ve looked ?everywhere? and cannot find a 7/16-24 thread chaser tap to clean out the block holes. I assume I?m correct about the 7/16-24 size. Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wcwellbaum at cox.net Tue Jun 15 15:42:04 2021 From: wcwellbaum at cox.net (BILL WELLBAUM) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1586374240.2714199.1623793324875@myemail.cox.net> You should be looking for two taps--5/16 x 24 and a 3/8 x 24. Those two will cover almost all block holes. > On June 14, 2021 at 8:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > > I?ve looked ?everywhere? and cannot find a 7/16-24 thread chaser tap to clean out the block holes. I assume I?m correct about the 7/16-24 size. > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/wcwellbaum at cox.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wcwellbaum at cox.net Tue Jun 15 15:49:42 2021 From: wcwellbaum at cox.net (BILL WELLBAUM) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Cylinder Head Bolts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <630166804.2714347.1623793782287@myemail.cox.net> And the larger block holes are 7/16 x 20 TPI. > On June 14, 2021 at 8:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > > I?ve looked ?everywhere? and cannot find a 7/16-24 thread chaser tap to clean out the block holes. I assume I?m correct about the 7/16-24 size. > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/wcwellbaum at cox.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobfabie at gmail.com Thu Jun 17 15:45:19 2021 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 16:45:19 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Clutch Set Recommendations Message-ID: Fellow Enthusiasts, I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get the group?s current collective wisdom. My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch system. While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. What are your experiences and recommendations? Thanks. Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdqtr6 at comcast.net Thu Jun 17 17:53:42 2021 From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (Tom Walling) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 19:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1108090040.272773.1623974023056@connect.xfinity.com> The Roadster Factory has a complete kit for clutch replacements. It's not cheap, but who wants to keep doing a clutch job every 5,000 miles? It is called the "Magic Clutch Kit: and is part number RFK 1109. This is probably the best solution for clutch replacement on the market. Good luck! > On 06/17/2021 5:45 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > > > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get the group?s current collective wisdom. > > My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch system. > > While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. > > What are your experiences and recommendations? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/pdqtr6 at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 19:25:40 2021 From: taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:25:40 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AB46520-E168-493E-8057-8BD381BC9483@yahoo.com> Bob -- These grooves in the diaphragm fingers are common for those setups on the TR6 that has the automatic clutch adjustment feature. No concern here as there's plenty of meat here. These grooves can be removed with a drill press and a large enough sanding cone if this sore of thing bugs a person. The RHP bearing is another story. Some of the older stock lasted many thousands of miles while others less than a thousand before squealing. Most like the trade off found with the heavier Koyo bearing that TRF and maybe others offer. Dick > On Jun 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get the group?s current collective wisdom. > > My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch system. > > While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. > > What are your experiences and recommendations? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com > From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 18 06:22:20 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 06:22:20 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: <1108090040.272773.1623974023056@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1108090040.272773.1623974023056@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <066e4a47-d67d-62d6-3af7-cd42fa45faff@bradakis.com> On 6/17/21 5:53 PM, Tom Walling wrote: > The Roadster Factory has a complete kit for clutch replacements. It's > not cheap, but who wants to keep doing a clutch job every 5,000 miles? > It is called the "Magic Clutch Kit: and is part number RFK 1109. This > is probably the best solution for clutch replacement on the market. > Good luck! I've got to tell this tale.? So I get laid off from the U of U, am doing some part time work for my buddy Mike.? He has an automotive repair shop. works on all sort of stuff.? He's an MG guy, I am his go to Triumph guy. Customer comes in with a TR6, needs a clutch.? I talk the owner into the Roadster Factory Magic Clutch kit.? I've done a few before, they work great.? Parts come in, go to work.? Back then I could drive drive a TR into the shop, and 2 hours later have the gearbox on the workbench.? I do the clutch job, button it up, get it back on the ground.? Fire it up and there is an incredible screeching sound, metal on metal nerve numbing noise. Obviously something was wrong.? Back on the lift, tear it apart. Turns out it was a problem with the TRF clutch kit.? But it wasn't their fault.? After a few emails and phone calls back and forth the root of the problem was clear.? The pressure plate was wrong. It was supposed to have flat fingers on the diaphragm spring, the one in the box had curved tips.? The company that supplied the pressure plate had put the wrong part in the box. Even though TRF was not really responsible for the wrong part, they went out of their way to correct the problem at no further cost to us, as quickly as they could. Overnight shipping of the right part.? Pretty impressive customer service! Back together with the right parts, one happy customer with one properly working clutch. mjb. From tjh173 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 12:13:23 2021 From: tjh173 at yahoo.com (Timothy Holbrook) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 18:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <122764982.2417846.1624040003904@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right holes.? Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in the specific proper holes.? These ensure proper alignment of the trans and engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing and pressure plate.? Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the right bolts in the right holes.?? Regards,Tim Holbrook1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily driving it) On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: Fellow Enthusiasts, I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get the group?s current collective wisdom.? My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch system.? While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth.? What are your experiences and recommendations? Thanks.?Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobfabie at gmail.com Fri Jun 18 14:46:10 2021 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 15:46:10 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Thank You Re: Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: <122764982.2417846.1624040003904@mail.yahoo.com> References: <122764982.2417846.1624040003904@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up questions/comments: BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, ??and its been trouble.? Did you mean it?s been no trouble? TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the ?Magic Clutch Kit?. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having installed the kit? DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF?s kit, just their TO bearing, or some other combination? Is this the bearing that requires a counter spring on the slave? MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit or something else? TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I?m aware of the importance of proper alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place. Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have. Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, VA On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the > correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold > the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right > holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a > specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in > the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans and > engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing > and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've > got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the > right bolts in the right holes. > > Regards, > Tim Holbrook > 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily > driving it) > > On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 < > bobfabie at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over > time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get > the group?s current collective wisdom. > > My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure > plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the > pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch > system. > > While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe > was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. > The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. > > What are your experiences and recommendations? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grglmn at gmail.com Fri Jun 18 15:53:24 2021 From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 16:53:24 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Thank You Re: Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <122764982.2417846.1624040003904@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the slave cylinder inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have heard many say it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feature gives me a little concern. Greg Lemon TR250 On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > > Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up > questions/comments: > > BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, ??and its been > trouble.? Did you mean it?s been no trouble? > > TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the ?Magic Clutch Kit?. Do they > specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having installed > the kit? > > DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF?s kit, just their TO bearing, or some > other combination? Is this the bearing that requires a counter spring on > the slave? > > MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a > second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit or > something else? > > TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I?m aware of the importance of proper alignment and > will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place. > > Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have. > > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook wrote: > >> Hi Bob, >> >> Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the >> correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold >> the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right >> holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a >> specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in >> the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans and >> engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing >> and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've >> got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the >> right bolts in the right holes. >> >> Regards, >> Tim Holbrook >> 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily >> driving it) >> >> On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 < >> bobfabie at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Fellow Enthusiasts, >> >> I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change >> over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to >> get the group?s current collective wisdom. >> >> My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure >> plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the >> pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch >> system. >> >> While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I >> believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight >> fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. >> >> What are your experiences and recommendations? >> >> Thanks. >> Bob Fabie >> Fredericksburg, VA >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/grglmn at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you mean it?s been no trouble? >> >> TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the ?Magic Clutch Kit?. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having installed the kit? >> >> DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF?s kit, just their TO bearing, or some other combination? Is this the bearing that requires a counter spring on the slave? >> >> MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit or something else? >> >> TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I?m aware of the importance of proper alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place. >> >> Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have. >> >> Bob Fabie >> Fredericksburg, VA >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook wrote: >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans and engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the right bolts in the right holes. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Tim Holbrook >>> 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily driving it) >>> >>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: >>> >>> >>> Fellow Enthusiasts, >>> >>> I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get the group?s current collective wisdom. >>> >>> My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch system. >>> >>> While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. >>> >>> What are your experiences and recommendations? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Bob Fabie >>> Fredericksburg, VA >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> >>> 6pack at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/grglmn at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/taylorturbo6 at yahoo.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btp44 at aol.com Fri Jun 18 17:14:23 2021 From: btp44 at aol.com (Berry Price) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 23:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Thank You Re: Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <122764982.2417846.1624040003904@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <593045744.943234.1624058063582@mail.yahoo.com> Bob-Sorry my alz must be flaring up again. The LUK clutch has not given me any trouble.Berry -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Fri, Jun 18, 2021 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Thank You Re: Clutch Set Recommendations Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up questions/comments: BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, ??and its been trouble.? Did you mean it?s been no trouble? TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the ?Magic Clutch Kit?. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having installed the kit? DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF?s kit, just their TO bearing, or some other combination?? Is this the bearing that requires a counter spring on the slave? MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit or something else? TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I?m aware of the importance of proper alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place. Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have. Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook wrote: Hi Bob, Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right holes.? Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in the specific proper holes.? These ensure proper alignment of the trans and engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing and pressure plate.? Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the right bolts in the right holes.?? Regards,Tim Holbrook1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily driving it) On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: Fellow Enthusiasts, I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get the group?s current collective wisdom.? My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch system.? While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth.? What are your experiences and recommendations? 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URL: From rrochlin at comcast.net Fri Jun 18 17:28:16 2021 From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 19:28:16 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Thank You Re: Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My opinion is using a bronze bearing carrier is extremely important to getting a smooth clutch action. How heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discussion on the list. Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutch research by TR6 enthusiasts. I?ve had many standard shift cars and I can?t recall any having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 even many V8?s. There is an internal hydraulic clutch available for the TR6, but I don?t think the TRF magic clutch kit utilizes it. Best Bob 72? TR6 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > ? > I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the slave cylinder inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have heard many say it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feature gives me a little concern. > > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > >> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: >> >> Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up questions/comments: >> >> BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, ??and its been trouble.? Did you mean it?s been no trouble? >> >> TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the ?Magic Clutch Kit?. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having installed the kit? >> >> DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF?s kit, just their TO bearing, or some other combination? Is this the bearing that requires a counter spring on the slave? >> >> MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit or something else? >> >> TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I?m aware of the importance of proper alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place. >> >> Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have. >> >> Bob Fabie >> Fredericksburg, VA >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook wrote: >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans and engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the right bolts in the right holes. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Tim Holbrook >>> 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily driving it) >>> >>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: >>> >>> >>> Fellow Enthusiasts, >>> >>> I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get the group?s current collective wisdom. >>> >>> My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch system. >>> >>> While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. >>> >>> What are your experiences and recommendations? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Bob Fabie >>> Fredericksburg, VA >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> >>> 6pack at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/grglmn at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rrochlin at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was there for the 1994 VTR National and arrived on the "hook" of a tow truck. I changed the clutch in the host hotel's parking lot in the heat between the daily thunder storms. That's something I hope never to repeat! I have not had any further touble with it, but you never know. My next one will be a Magic Clutch from TRF. > On 06/18/2021 7:28 PM Robert Rochlin wrote: > > > My opinion is using a bronze bearing carrier is extremely important to getting a smooth clutch action. > How heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discussion on the list. Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutch research by TR6 enthusiasts. I?ve had many standard shift cars and I can?t recall any having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 even many V8?s. There is an internal hydraulic clutch available for the TR6, but I don?t think the TRF magic clutch kit utilizes it. > Best > Bob > 72? TR6 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jun 18, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the slave cylinder inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have heard many say it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feature gives me a little concern. > > > > > > Greg Lemon > > TR250 > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 < bobfabie at gmail.com mailto:bobfabie at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up questions/comments: > > > > > > BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, ??and its been trouble.? Did you mean it?s been no trouble? > > > > > > TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the ?Magic Clutch Kit?. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having installed the kit? > > > > > > DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF?s kit, just their TO bearing, or some other combination? Is this the bearing that requires a counter spring on the slave? > > > > > > MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit or something else? > > > > > > TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I?m aware of the importance of proper alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place. > > > > > > Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have. > > > > > > Bob Fabie > > > Fredericksburg, VA > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook < tjh173 at yahoo.com mailto:tjh173 at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > > > > > Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans and engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the right bolts in the right holes. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Tim Holbrook > > > > 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily driving it) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 < bobfabie at gmail.com mailto:bobfabie at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > > > > > > > I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get the group?s current collective wisdom. > > > > > > > > My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch system. > > > > > > > > While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. > > > > > > > > What are your experiences and recommendations? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Bob Fabie > > > > Fredericksburg, VA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > > > > > > > 6pack at autox.team.net mailto:6pack at autox.team.net > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > > > > 6pack at autox.team.net mailto:6pack at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/grglmn at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rrochlin at comcast.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/pdqtr6 at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobfabie at gmail.com Sun Jun 20 14:19:10 2021 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (rmf3860 rmf3860) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 15:19:10 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Thank You Re: Clutch Set Recommendations In-Reply-To: <122239359.283727.1624213822562@connect.xfinity.com> References: <122239359.283727.1624213822562@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Tom. Very helpful information. Bet you?ll never forget changing that clutch in the parking lot! By now, I?ve read ?every? technical article and every posting about TR6 clutches I could find on the web. It seems every combination of components has its down side-mostly involving the T/O bearing. With all due respect to the suggestions and comments to of the group, I?m still undecided, but I am leaning toward the TRF package. I also plan to speak with Moss? technical advisors to see what they recommend. I wish you had some pictures of that parking lot clutch job. I?d love to see them. Thanks again. Bob Fabie On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 1:30 PM Tom Walling wrote: > My only knowledge of how TRF's Magic Clutch works on the car is from > postings here on the lists. I do know that TRF has always been a strong > advocate for quality above price, and I feel that is really important when > it comes to parts that are a real pig to get at and change-out. > > My current clutch was "cobbled together" from parts from TRF, World Parts > (remember them? are they still around?) and a junk yard in Asheville NC. I > was there for the 1994 VTR National and arrived on the "hook" of a tow > truck. I changed the clutch in the host hotel's parking lot in the heat > between the daily thunder storms. That's something I hope never to repeat! > I have not had any further touble with it, but you never know. My next one > will be a Magic Clutch from TRF. > > On 06/18/2021 7:28 PM Robert Rochlin wrote: > > > My opinion is using a bronze bearing carrier is extremely important to > getting a smooth clutch action. > How heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discussion on > the list. Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutch research by > TR6 enthusiasts. I?ve had many standard shift cars and I can?t recall any > having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 even many V8?s. There is an > internal hydraulic clutch available for the TR6, but I don?t think the > TRF magic clutch kit utilizes it. > Best > Bob > 72? TR6 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the slave > cylinder inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have heard many say > it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feature gives me > a little concern. > > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 < bobfabie at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up > questions/comments: > > BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, ??and its been > trouble.? Did you mean it?s been no trouble? > > TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the ?Magic Clutch Kit?. Do they > specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having installed > the kit? > > DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF?s kit, just their TO bearing, or some > other combination? Is this the bearing that requires a counter spring on > the slave? > > MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a > second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit or > something else? > > TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I?m aware of the importance of proper alignment and > will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place. > > Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have. > > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook < tjh173 at yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Bob, > > Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the > correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold > the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right > holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a > specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in > the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans and > engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing > and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've > got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the > right bolts in the right holes. > > Regards, > Tim Holbrook > 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily > driving it) > > > On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 < > bobfabie at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change over > time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to get > the group?s current collective wisdom. > > My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure > plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the > pressure plate fingers. There?s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch > system. > > While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe > was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate?s straight fingers. > The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. > > What are your experiences and recommendations? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tjh173 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/grglmn at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rrochlin at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/pdqtr6 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bobfabie at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From janah at att.net Mon Jun 21 11:21:21 2021 From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 17:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Clutch Set Recommendations References: <639737212.1815150.1624296081019.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <639737212.1815150.1624296081019@mail.yahoo.com> "The? six cylinder car's clutch is not such a happy story and is the Achilles Heel of the 6 cylinder cars."? So says Roger Williams in his book; How to Restore Triumph TR5/250 & TR6. I am not going to reproduce that section of the book here, but I will try to de-mystify this area of the car. The issues center around: a.) mechanical tolerances/design deficiency.b.) supersessionc.) poor documentation The clutch design does not have much allowance for wear & tear. Originally a 0.75" Master Cylinder was fitted and this worked well but their were complaints of "heavy clutch" with this system. During the 1970 model year, the master cylinder was changed to a 0.70" unit. This did soften up the clutch pressure, but now wear and tear deficiencies of the mechanical parts became significant issues causing drag and partial clutch disengagement. Bushing wear, clutch fork pin wear , cylinder leaks etc. will cause poor performance.?? The car parts biz is quite dynamic, and companies get sold, go out of business, or simply manage the life cycle of their products. Part of this is that if they have a slow or small selling item, they look around to see if they have another part with greater sales that could be use for the slow selling application and they discontinue the part for the slow selling application.? The original clutch & driven plate were Laycock units and worked quite well.? But Laycock sold their clutch business to LUK. LUK stopped making the TR6 Clutch some time ago.? Enter Borg & Beck.? They offered a clutch for the TR6 that I think became a standard.? It worked quite well. But in time, they saw slow sales for this model and it disappeared from the inventory. B&B used colored paint spots to mark their different pressure plates - I believe there was a "Yellow-spot" a "Green-Spot" and a "Blue-spot".? I don't recall which one was used on the TR6, but it was discontinued and superceded with one of the other clutches. Should be ok right?? It fits right?? No problem then!? Wrong! Wrong because one of these clutches was designed for a much heavier vehicle (Van). You want a good tight clutch right?? Yes, but excessive spring pressure is very hard on the thrust washers when the clutch is disengaged.? Not a good situation. Also it increases pressure on the clutch fork pin and can break it. Anyone who has ever had a broken clutch fork pin knows what a PITA it is. Then B&B was sold to Delphi and that product line was rationalized with yet another clutch that had "cranked" spring fingers. Another generic parts vendor Quinton Hazel also has such a clutch.? I have heard mixed reports on this type, with some folks reporting squealing and other reporting good operation.? I can only tell you that their original Laycock design was straight fingered. Some of the squealing reports seem to be linked with larger throw-out bearings when used with the cranked fingered clutches.? Now some info about the throw-out bearings. The original configuration was an RHP bearing on a bronze carrier that was pinned. A while back reports came out about premature failures with the RHP bearings. Either a bad batch of bearing was made or quality had suffered. It is hard to know what happened, because once a part like this gets a "black-eye", people move away from them because they are such a pain to change, nobody wants to take a chance on it again.? I am not saying that RHP bearings are good or bad, simply relating what I have heard.? Anecdote - This became an issue for me because I was a "clutch rider" (head hung in shame).? I would sit there at a light with my left foot on the clutch and my foot on the brake. After? a while I began to hear my bearing (an RHP as it turns out) whirring away.? So when I pulled the tranny for another project, I decided that I should get a new bearing and it would not be an RHP.? Now was it a crappy bearing or a crappy driver that was the issue?? These things are hard to tease apart.? There are now a number of brands out there, but I will mention 3.? The Koyo bearing was originally designed for a Landcruiser. It was larger than the other bearings.? Some folks love'em and some folks have reporting squealing.? It is true that being a larger bearing it is going to take more force to overcome inertia and get it spinning. There is another bearing that comes highly recommended called KYK. Never used one but would because of this recommendation from a source that I trust. Gunst has become a dirty name in some quarters of the Triumph community.? It was hyped as a godsend, and then a few problems were mentioned (hard to track down the variables).? I will say that the Gust bearings are different in that they are meant to contact the clutch at all times.? I have put one in my car.? I don't know what to expect but I hope for the best.? Finally carriers.? Bronze carriers have been mentioned as preferred. It makes sense as they are useful in circumstances when you have surface movements in that bronze seems to resist abrasion and not gall. Mating the carrier to the bearing is a precision operation.? Most of us should either buy a bearing that is mated to the carrier or have a good machine shop do it for you. "Pinned" refers to a hardened pin that prevents the bearing carrier from rotating on the clutch fork pin. This makes sense to me as we want to gearing to rotate and not the carrier.? I know folks who have had squealing issue without a pin. Again drilling and installing an anti-rotation pin is best left to a shop for most of us. "Magic Clutch" Kit - Hype or for real?? A word about Charles Runyon. Charles Runyon, the former proprietor of the Roadster Factory has recently passed away.? I won't speak ill of the dead except to acknowledge that some folks in our community may have got hurt over some of his business practices late in his life.? I will say that Charles and his company have been for a very long time, real friends and proponents of our community.? ?Charles had noticed that there seemed to be a lot of clutch issues with our cars and some of these issues no doubt blew back on him, when new parts he sold didn't fix the issues (remember these problems are hard to tease apart). Being very well connected in the community he was able to pull opinions from some of the most knowledgeable folks in our hobby and come of with a serious attempt at rectifying these clutch issues. Charles realized that the reliability of the clutch mechanics was as important as the clutch components themselves and pulled together a kit of parts that would significantly improve the probability of successful clutch repair.? So I think it is for real and not hype, that when you do a clutch job you should replace everything. It isn't that much more money and it worth the extra effort. He also discovered the Sachs clutch.? This clutch most resembles the original Laycock clutch design. This is the clutch I have used in my car.? I have gone a bit further and added a feature that allows me? to lubricate my clutch shaft with a grease gun. If you are interested I can tell about this in another post.? Despite all of these there were still more people than there should have been that were reporting clutch issues. A few years back a couple of sleuths uncovered the "dowel" bolts. In the parts lists, there are 2 special bolts among the many bolts that mate engine the bell housing.? These are referred to as "dowel bolts". Williams in his book obliquely mentions "locating bolts".? If the bell housing is misaligned to the engine even a little bit, poor clutch performance results. These bolts have larger chanks and are located at 2 and 8 O'clock and align the transmission to the engine. If you lose these bolts or don't put them in first than you can have clutch issues no matter what you do.? Many folks have installed hardened steel dowels in place of these bolts.?? Hopefully, this summary will help you with your clutch replacement.? Please excuse the length of it.? Many folks referred to different aspects of this story, but I thought it would be good to put it all in one place. Regards-John Cyg70 DamsonCC52927LO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrochlin at comcast.net Mon Jun 21 13:23:19 2021 From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:23:19 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Fwd: Clutch Set Recommendations References: <639737212.1815150.1624296081019@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John, Wow, that was an excellent detailed history of the TR6 clutch, its problems and offered solutions. You really lay out the history of the clutch and the machinations of the supply chain. Even though I?ve had my TR6 for over 20 years I?ve never read so detailed an explanation. Antidotally, I?ve had a Gunst bearing set up in my car that I got when they first came out and have always had a smooth clutch acton and never any kind of issue with it. I?m not sure that they sell them anymore thought. Thanks for taking the time John. Best, Bob ?72 TR6 > Begin forwarded message: > > From: John Cyganowski > Subject: Re: [6pack] Clutch Set Recommendations > Date: June 21, 2021 at 1:21:21 PM EDT > To: "6pack at autox.team.net" <6pack at autox.team.net> > > "The six cylinder car's clutch is not such a happy story and is the Achilles Heel of the 6 cylinder cars." So says Roger Williams in his book; How to Restore Triumph TR5/250 & TR6. > > I am not going to reproduce that section of the book here, but I will try to de-mystify this area of the car. > > The issues center around: > > a.) mechanical tolerances/design deficiency. > b.) supersession > c.) poor documentation > > The clutch design does not have much allowance for wear & tear. Originally a 0.75" Master Cylinder was fitted and this worked well but their were complaints of "heavy clutch" with this system. During the 1970 model year, the master cylinder was changed to a 0.70" unit. This did soften up the clutch pressure, but now wear and tear deficiencies of the mechanical parts became significant issues causing drag and partial clutch disengagement. Bushing wear, clutch fork pin wear , cylinder leaks etc. will cause poor performance. > > The car parts biz is quite dynamic, and companies get sold, go out of business, or simply manage the life cycle of their products. Part of this is that if they have a slow or small selling item, they look around to see if they have another part with greater sales that could be use for the slow selling application and they discontinue the part for the slow selling application. The original clutch & driven plate were Laycock units and worked quite well. But Laycock sold their clutch business to LUK. LUK stopped making the TR6 Clutch some time ago. Enter Borg & Beck. They offered a clutch for the TR6 that I think became a standard. It worked quite well. But in time, they saw slow sales for this model and it disappeared from the inventory. B&B used colored paint spots to mark their different pressure plates - I believe there was a "Yellow-spot" a "Green-Spot" and a "Blue-spot". I don't recall which one was used on the TR6, but it was discontinued and superceded with one of the other clutches. Should be ok right? It fits right? No problem then! Wrong! Wrong because one of these clutches was designed for a much heavier vehicle (Van). You want a good tight clutch right? Yes, but excessive spring pressure is very hard on the thrust washers when the clutch is disengaged. Not a good situation. Also it increases pressure on the clutch fork pin and can break it. Anyone who has ever had a broken clutch fork pin knows what a PITA it is. Then B&B was sold to Delphi and that product line was rationalized with yet another clutch that had "cranked" spring fingers. Another generic parts vendor Quinton Hazel also has such a clutch. I have heard mixed reports on this type, with some folks reporting squealing and other reporting good operation. I can only tell you that their original Laycock design was straight fingered. Some of the squealing reports seem to be linked with larger throw-out bearings when used with the cranked fingered clutches. Now some info about the throw-out bearings. > > The original configuration was an RHP bearing on a bronze carrier that was pinned. A while back reports came out about premature failures with the RHP bearings. Either a bad batch of bearing was made or quality had suffered. It is hard to know what happened, because once a part like this gets a "black-eye", people move away from them because they are such a pain to change, nobody wants to take a chance on it again. I am not saying that RHP bearings are good or bad, simply relating what I have heard. Anecdote - This became an issue for me because I was a "clutch rider" (head hung in shame). I would sit there at a light with my left foot on the clutch and my foot on the brake. After a while I began to hear my bearing (an RHP as it turns out) whirring away. So when I pulled the tranny for another project, I decided that I should get a new bearing and it would not be an RHP. Now was it a crappy bearing or a crappy driver that was the issue? These things are hard to tease apart. There are now a number of brands out there, but I will mention 3. The Koyo bearing was originally designed for a Landcruiser. It was larger than the other bearings. Some folks love'em and some folks have reporting squealing. It is true that being a larger bearing it is going to take more force to overcome inertia and get it spinning. There is another bearing that comes highly recommended called KYK. Never used one but would because of this recommendation from a source that I trust. Gunst has become a dirty name in some quarters of the Triumph community. It was hyped as a godsend, and then a few problems were mentioned (hard to track down the variables). I will say that the Gust bearings are different in that they are meant to contact the clutch at all times. I have put one in my car. I don't know what to expect but I hope for the best. Finally carriers. Bronze carriers have been mentioned as preferred. It makes sense as they are useful in circumstances when you have surface movements in that bronze seems to resist abrasion and not gall. Mating the carrier to the bearing is a precision operation. Most of us should either buy a bearing that is mated to the carrier or have a good machine shop do it for you. "Pinned" refers to a hardened pin that prevents the bearing carrier from rotating on the clutch fork pin. This makes sense to me as we want to gearing to rotate and not the carrier. I know folks who have had squealing issue without a pin. Again drilling and installing an anti-rotation pin is best left to a shop for most of us. > > "Magic Clutch" Kit - Hype or for real? A word about Charles Runyon. Charles Runyon, the former proprietor of the Roadster Factory has recently passed away. I won't speak ill of the dead except to acknowledge that some folks in our community may have got hurt over some of his business practices late in his life. I will say that Charles and his company have been for a very long time, real friends and proponents of our community. Charles had noticed that there seemed to be a lot of clutch issues with our cars and some of these issues no doubt blew back on him, when new parts he sold didn't fix the issues (remember these problems are hard to tease apart). Being very well connected in the community he was able to pull opinions from some of the most knowledgeable folks in our hobby and come of with a serious attempt at rectifying these clutch issues. Charles realized that the reliability of the clutch mechanics was as important as the clutch components themselves and pulled together a kit of parts that would significantly improve the probability of successful clutch repair. So I think it is for real and not hype, that when you do a clutch job you should replace everything. It isn't that much more money and it worth the extra effort. He also discovered the Sachs clutch. This clutch most resembles the original Laycock clutch design. This is the clutch I have used in my car. I have gone a bit further and added a feature that allows me to lubricate my clutch shaft with a grease gun. If you are interested I can tell about this in another post. > > Despite all of these there were still more people than there should have been that were reporting clutch issues. A few years back a couple of sleuths uncovered the "dowel" bolts. In the parts lists, there are 2 special bolts among the many bolts that mate engine the bell housing. These are referred to as "dowel bolts". Williams in his book obliquely mentions "locating bolts". If the bell housing is misaligned to the engine even a little bit, poor clutch performance results. These bolts have larger chanks and are located at 2 and 8 O'clock and align the transmission to the engine. If you lose these bolts or don't put them in first than you can have clutch issues no matter what you do. Many folks have installed hardened steel dowels in place of these bolts. > > Hopefully, this summary will help you with your clutch replacement. Please excuse the length of it. Many folks referred to different aspects of this story, but I thought it would be good to put it all in one place. > > Regards- > John Cyg > 70 Damson > CC52927LO > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rrochlin at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes my clutch is a bit stiff,? but it has been flawless for many years now.?Good luck.? ? You don't want a second trip in there anytime soon, so maybe the magic kit is the way to go. Bruce Simms 73TR6 with A type OD Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From im_sloane at hotmail.com Mon Jun 21 19:48:15 2021 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 01:48:15 +0000 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Diff, replacing the seals, axle bearings. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey guys, I think I never came back to give an update. I did order another Moss seal, and put this one in with just a thin layer of the black gasket maker. No leaks. Thanks as always for all the help/suggestions. Sloane ________________________________ SO, do I try another Moss seal, try to smooth out that surface, and maybe even a thin coat of the gasket maker? Or is the TRF seal worth it? any advice? 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Modified 1974 Triumph TR6 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 4 (Lot #49,079) | Bring a Trailer If you look at it closely, you'll see it's got a more aggressive profile than the stock spoiler that Triumph fitted to TR6's from 1973 onwards.? I asked the owner where he got it, but it was already fitted to the car before he bought it, so he doesn't really know.? He commented that he thinks it came from Rimmer in UK, but looking at their website it just again looks like the OE style.? Anyone know anything about this style of spoiler?? I love the look! Regards,Tim Holbrook1971 TR6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From auprichard at uprichard.net Sun Jun 27 11:45:19 2021 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:45:19 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler In-Reply-To: <472526120.5229956.1624811832839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <472526120.5229956.1624811832839.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <472526120.5229956.1624811832839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00aa01d76b7c$3306a830$9913f890$@uprichard.net> I know Racetorations in the UK sells spoilers like this: http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr4-c6/tr4-body-and-exterior-trim-c68/racetorations-tr4-6-front-spoiler-c-w-cooling-ducts-p1334 Disclaimer: my cousin, Darryl Uprichard, owns Racetorations. No financial interest, sadly? Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Timothy Holbrook Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 12:37 PM To: 6Pack List <6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler Hi everyone, I saw this car come up for sale on Bring A Trailer a while back, and the front spoiler caught my eye. Modified 1974 Triumph TR6 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 4 (Lot #49,079) | Bring a Trailer If you look at it closely, you'll see it's got a more aggressive profile than the stock spoiler that Triumph fitted to TR6's from 1973 onwards. I asked the owner where he got it, but it was already fitted to the car before he bought it, so he doesn't really know. He commented that he thinks it came from Rimmer in UK, but looking at their website it just again looks like the OE style. Anyone know anything about this style of spoiler? I love the look! 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Dave -----Original Message----- From: auprichard at uprichard.net To: 'Timothy Holbrook' ; '6Pack List' <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Front spoiler I know Racetorations in the UK sells spoilers like this: ?http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr4-c6/tr4-body-and-exterior-trim-c68/racetorations-tr4-6-front-spoiler-c-w-cooling-ducts-p1334 ?Disclaimer:? my cousin, Darryl Uprichard, owns Racetorations.? No financial interest, sadly? ?Andrew UprichardJackson, Michigan ?From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Timothy Holbrook Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 12:37 PM To: 6Pack List <6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler ?Hi everyone, ?I saw this car come up for sale on Bring A Trailer a while back,?and the front spoiler caught my eye. ?Modified 1974 Triumph TR6 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 4 (Lot #49,079) | Bring a Trailer ?If you look at it closely, you'll see it's got a more aggressive profile than the stock spoiler that Triumph fitted to TR6's from 1973 onwards.? I asked the owner where he got it, but it was already fitted to the car before he bought it, so he doesn't really know.? He commented that he thinks it came from Rimmer in UK, but looking at their website it just again looks like the OE style.? ?Anyone know anything about this style of spoiler?? 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URL: From auprichard at uprichard.net Sun Jun 27 13:35:42 2021 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:35:42 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler In-Reply-To: <2073519945.930374.1624818453531@mail.yahoo.com> References: <472526120.5229956.1624811832839.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <472526120.5229956.1624811832839@mail.yahoo.com> <00aa01d76b7c$3306a830$9913f890$@uprichard.net> <2073519945.930374.1624818453531@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201d76b8b$9f004460$dd00cd20$@uprichard.net> Mention my name and he?ll probably add a surcharge !! Darryl?s father and mine were brothers who grew up in Ireland. Both went to war (WWII): my father returned to Ireland while Darryl?s settled in England. I never knew about my English cousin until I bought my first TR!! People say they are expensive (and I guess they can be) but all their stuff is good. Not for the everyday driver, but I have used them extensively for my two fast-road cars and am happy with what I bought. Andrew From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 2:28 PM To: auprichard at uprichard.net; tjh173 at yahoo.com; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Front spoiler What? No family discount? Nice spoiler. Cooling ducts and everything. Dave -----Original Message----- From: auprichard at uprichard.net To: 'Timothy Holbrook' >; '6Pack List' <6pack at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Front spoiler I know Racetorations in the UK sells spoilers like this: http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr4-c6/tr4-body-and-exterior-trim-c68/racetorations-tr4-6-front-spoiler-c-w-cooling-ducts-p1334 Disclaimer: my cousin, Darryl Uprichard, owns Racetorations. No financial interest, sadly? Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net > On Behalf Of Timothy Holbrook Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 12:37 PM To: 6Pack List <6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler Hi everyone, I saw this car come up for sale on Bring A Trailer a while back, and the front spoiler caught my eye. Modified 1974 Triumph TR6 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 4 (Lot #49,079) | Bring a Trailer If you look at it closely, you'll see it's got a more aggressive profile than the stock spoiler that Triumph fitted to TR6's from 1973 onwards. I asked the owner where he got it, but it was already fitted to the car before he bought it, so he doesn't really know. He commented that he thinks it came from Rimmer in UK, but looking at their website it just again looks like the OE style. Anyone know anything about this style of spoiler? I love the look! Regards, Tim Holbrook 1971 TR6 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Jun 27 15:44:16 2021 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler In-Reply-To: <003201d76b8b$9f004460$dd00cd20$@uprichard.net> References: <472526120.5229956.1624811832839.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <472526120.5229956.1624811832839@mail.yahoo.com> <00aa01d76b7c$3306a830$9913f890$@uprichard.net> <2073519945.930374.1624818453531@mail.yahoo.com> <003201d76b8b$9f004460$dd00cd20$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <837746036.491811.1624830256715@mail.yahoo.com> You can always live vicariously through him, I suppose. ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: auprichard at uprichard.net To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; tjh173 at yahoo.com; 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 2:35 pm Subject: RE: [6pack] Front spoiler #yiv0001791867 #yiv0001791867 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0001791867 #yiv0001791867 p.yiv0001791867MsoNormal, #yiv0001791867 li.yiv0001791867MsoNormal, #yiv0001791867 div.yiv0001791867MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv0001791867 a:link, #yiv0001791867 span.yiv0001791867MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0001791867 span.yiv0001791867EmailStyle28 {font-family:New serif;color:#1F497D;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;}#yiv0001791867 .yiv0001791867MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv0001791867 div.yiv0001791867WordSection1 {}#yiv0001791867 Mention my name and he?ll probably add a surcharge !! ?Darryl?s father and mine were brothers who grew up in Ireland.? Both went to war (WWII):? my father returned to Ireland while Darryl?s settled in England.? I never knew about my English cousin until I bought my first TR!! ?People say they are expensive (and I guess they can be) but all their stuff is good.? Not for the everyday driver, but I have used them extensively for my two fast-road cars and am happy with what I bought. ?Andrew ?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 2:28 PM To: auprichard at uprichard.net; tjh173 at yahoo.com; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Front spoiler ?What?? No family discount? ?Nice spoiler.? Cooling ducts and everything. ?Dave ? ?-----Original Message----- From: auprichard at uprichard.net To: 'Timothy Holbrook' ; '6Pack List' <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Front spoilerI know Racetorations in the UK sells spoilers like this:?http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr4-c6/tr4-body-and-exterior-trim-c68/racetorations-tr4-6-front-spoiler-c-w-cooling-ducts-p1334?Disclaimer:? my cousin, Darryl Uprichard, owns Racetorations.? No financial interest, sadly??Andrew UprichardJackson, Michigan?From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Timothy Holbrook Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 12:37 PM To: 6Pack List <6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler?Hi everyone,?I saw this car come up for sale on Bring A Trailer a while back,?and the front spoiler caught my eye.?Modified 1974 Triumph TR6 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 4 (Lot #49,079) | Bring a Trailer?If you look at it closely, you'll see it's got a more aggressive profile than the stock spoiler that Triumph fitted to TR6's from 1973 onwards.? I asked the owner where he got it, but it was already fitted to the car before he bought it, so he doesn't really know.? He commented that he thinks it came from Rimmer in UK, but looking at their website it just again looks like the OE style.??Anyone know anything about this style of spoiler?? I love the look!?Regards,Tim Holbrook1971 TR6_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Mon Jun 28 08:12:20 2021 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 09:12:20 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler In-Reply-To: <003201d76b8b$9f004460$dd00cd20$@uprichard.net> References: <472526120.5229956.1624811832839.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <472526120.5229956.1624811832839@mail.yahoo.com> <00aa01d76b7c$3306a830$9913f890$@uprichard.net> <2073519945.930374.1624818453531@mail.yahoo.com> <003201d76b8b$9f004460$dd00cd20$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <001401d76c27$9da35390$d8e9fab0$@ranteer.com> I have their billet aluminum water pump. Expensive but well worth it. From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard at uprichard.net Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 2:36 PM To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; tjh173 at yahoo.com; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Front spoiler Mention my name and he?ll probably add a surcharge !! Darryl?s father and mine were brothers who grew up in Ireland. Both went to war (WWII): my father returned to Ireland while Darryl?s settled in England. I never knew about my English cousin until I bought my first TR!! People say they are expensive (and I guess they can be) but all their stuff is good. Not for the everyday driver, but I have used them extensively for my two fast-road cars and am happy with what I bought. Andrew From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 2:28 PM To: auprichard at uprichard.net ; tjh173 at yahoo.com ; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Front spoiler What? No family discount? Nice spoiler. Cooling ducts and everything. Dave -----Original Message----- From: auprichard at uprichard.net To: 'Timothy Holbrook' >; '6Pack List' <6pack at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Front spoiler I know Racetorations in the UK sells spoilers like this: http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr4-c6/tr4-body-and-exterior-trim-c68/racetorations-tr4-6-front-spoiler-c-w-cooling-ducts-p1334 Disclaimer: my cousin, Darryl Uprichard, owns Racetorations. No financial interest, sadly? Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net > On Behalf Of Timothy Holbrook Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 12:37 PM To: 6Pack List <6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [6pack] Front spoiler Hi everyone, I saw this car come up for sale on Bring A Trailer a while back, and the front spoiler caught my eye. Modified 1974 Triumph TR6 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 4 (Lot #49,079) | Bring a Trailer If you look at it closely, you'll see it's got a more aggressive profile than the stock spoiler that Triumph fitted to TR6's from 1973 onwards. I asked the owner where he got it, but it was already fitted to the car before he bought it, so he doesn't really know. He commented that he thinks it came from Rimmer in UK, but looking at their website it just again looks like the OE style. Anyone know anything about this style of spoiler? I love the look! Regards, Tim Holbrook 1971 TR6 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: