From jmerone at rocketmail.com  Wed Aug  1 12:30:13 2012
From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:30:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Going to the TRials?
Message-ID: <1343845813.67518.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

    
Hi all:
 
Is anyone on this list going to the 6-pack TRials in Niagara
Falls this September from either New England or upstate New York?    I'm still
on the fence, but if we go I'd like to join a caravan headed that way if
possible.  Please contact me off list.
 
Thanks,
 
Joe Merone
CF18928
jmerone at rocketmail.com    

From DJFidler at rogers.com  Thu Aug  2 12:00:48 2012
From: DJFidler at rogers.com (David Fidler)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:00:48 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Going to the TRials?
In-Reply-To: <1343845813.67518.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1343845813.67518.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Joe,

There's a list of those who have registered so far on the TRials website:

www.401-PACK.com

We have almost 100 rooms booked at the hotel and 50 registrations so far. 

Don't sit on the fence too long, now is the time to at least book your room
(cancellable), because our allocation at 30% discount ends after August
7th!!

David Fidler
Co-Chair 2012 6-PACK TRials

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Merone
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:30 PM
To: Triumph List; 6 Pack list
Subject: [6pack] Going to the TRials?

    
Hi all:
 
Is anyone on this list going to the 6-pack TRials in Niagara
Falls this September from either New England or upstate New York?    I'm
still
on the fence, but if we go I'd like to join a caravan headed that way if
possible.  Please contact me off list.
 
Thanks,
 
Joe Merone
CF18928
jmerone at rocketmail.com    

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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Aug  3 14:03:38 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:03:38 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Sad day - I sold a Triumph
Message-ID: <F6253F8F-F75B-456D-B4C4-6A2EA781F887@comcast.net>

That gap in my signature below is "66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost  
parts)"  that has now become an organ donor for other TRs. I sold it  
to Paul Dierschow of Sports Car Craftsmen here in Denver if you're  
looking for things not available in catalogs such as a rear shelf or B  
posts.

So in celebration of me actually selling a car instead of buying  
another my wife went shopping, now that's insult to injury. The  
celebration may be short lived thought if I buy a vintage race car.

Somberly,
Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)

66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
levilevi at comcast.net

From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 16:28:02 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:28:02 -0700
Subject: [6pack] [TR] Sad day - I sold a Triumph
In-Reply-To: <F6253F8F-F75B-456D-B4C4-6A2EA781F887@comcast.net>
References: <F6253F8F-F75B-456D-B4C4-6A2EA781F887@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNDHzRORD-jznRcbdYmaphpTquAoaVr5twd1y68twQeAig@mail.gmail.com>

Not if ... WHEN

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> That gap in my signature below is "66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost
> parts)"  that has now become an organ donor for other TRs. I sold it to
> Paul Dierschow of Sports Car Craftsmen here in Denver if you're looking for
> things not available in catalogs such as a rear shelf or B posts.
>
> So in celebration of me actually selling a car instead of buying another
> my wife went shopping, now that's insult to injury. The celebration may be
> short lived thought if I buy a vintage race car.
>
> Somberly,
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> levilevi at comcast.net
>
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>



-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Aug  3 22:16:47 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:16:47 -0600
Subject: [6pack] A type OD top cover switch question
Message-ID: <7C934897-0FAA-49BD-A3D0-22120A37833D@comcast.net>

List,

If an A type OD has three switches on the top cover does that means it  
has a seat belt interlock? And if it only has two switches on the top  
cover does that mean it only has an OD and reverse switch without a  
seat belt interlock? What year did the seat belt interlock switches  
appear?

Thanks
Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
levilevi at comcast.net

From lfm614 at aol.com  Sat Aug  4 11:44:01 2012
From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:44:01 +0000
Subject: [6pack] A type OD top cover switch question
Message-ID: <2049721289-1344102242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1395213451-@b13.c20.bise6.blackberry>

Never heard of an OD having a seat belt interlock.  The 73 I believe had a module that disabled the ignition but that's all I have heard of. 

The extra switch on the A is that engages in 2, 3 and 4th vs the J that is only 3 and 4th.  


------Original Message------
From: Bud Rolofson
Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
To: TR-6 list
Subject: [6pack] A type OD top cover switch question
Sent: Aug 3, 2012 11:16 PM

List,

If an A type OD has three switches on the top cover does that means it  
has a seat belt interlock? And if it only has two switches on the top  
cover does that mean it only has an OD and reverse switch without a  
seat belt interlock? What year did the seat belt interlock switches  
appear?

Thanks
Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
levilevi at comcast.net

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From FETNERJ001 at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Aug  4 12:05:07 2012
From: FETNERJ001 at hawaii.rr.com (Jeff Fetner)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 08:05:07 -1000
Subject: [6pack] A type OD top cover switch question
In-Reply-To: <2049721289-1344102242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1395213451-@b13.c20.bise6.blackberry>
References: <2049721289-1344102242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1395213451-@b13.c20.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <9C9C70B6928B49629950077247E86D1E@JeffHP>

Bud,

  Later TR6s (74 & up) had a 'neutral safety switch' to prevent the car from 
being started while in gear.

  An A-type should have three switches on the top cover; two for OD 
engagement in 2/3/4 gear and one for the reverse lights.

  I'm going from memory though...

Jeff
74.5 & 75 TR6

-----Original Message----- 
From: lfm614 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:44 AM
To: TR-6 list
Subject: Re: [6pack] A type OD top cover switch question

Never heard of an OD having a seat belt interlock.  The 73 I believe had a 
module that disabled the ignition but that's all I have heard of.

The extra switch on the A is that engages in 2, 3 and 4th vs the J that is 
only 3 and 4th.


------Original Message------
From: Bud Rolofson
Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
To: TR-6 list
Subject: [6pack] A type OD top cover switch question
Sent: Aug 3, 2012 11:16 PM

List,

If an A type OD has three switches on the top cover does that means it
has a seat belt interlock? And if it only has two switches on the top
cover does that mean it only has an OD and reverse switch without a
seat belt interlock? What year did the seat belt interlock switches
appear?

Thanks
Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
levilevi at comcast.net

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Aug 16 16:47:30 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:47:30 -0400
Subject: [6pack] indescribable
Message-ID: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>

After more than a half-century on this earth, I thought I had experienced
just about everything there was to experience.  That was, until I got my
TR250 back from the dyno, correctly jetted and with 160bhp at the wheels.
Not that I intend to set speed records, but the sheer exhilaration of
driving the car after a 4-year restoration effort defies definitions.
Shifting through those gears and feeling the smoothness of that engine (I
love my TR3, but these 6 cylinders just exude power).

Sorry everyone, but this is why I love these cars.  Unbelievable.

Andrew Uprichard
1962 TR3B
1968 TR250
1957 smallmouth (undergoing restoration)

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Thu Aug 16 18:48:37 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:48:37 -0500
Subject: [6pack] indescribable
In-Reply-To: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
References: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <73664A3AEF7E46C7AB3DC24CC83DA6DB@GregPC>

Sounds wonderful, congrats, nothing like things working well after you put 
them back together, inquiring minds want to know what you did to get 160 bhp 
and how it runs, smooth idle or lumpy, etc.?

Thanks

Greg Lemon
TR250 (pushing out an estimated 120-125)

From robertbreazeale at msn.com  Thu Aug 16 19:07:31 2012
From: robertbreazeale at msn.com (Robert Breazeale)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:07:31 -0700
Subject: [6pack] indescribable
In-Reply-To: <73664A3AEF7E46C7AB3DC24CC83DA6DB@GregPC>
References: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
	<73664A3AEF7E46C7AB3DC24CC83DA6DB@GregPC>
Message-ID: <CACq6inuR7JnbbYCY8WkLnp-9OfxHat0ELacjHzuxsGW4O2DMag@mail.gmail.com>

Indeed, I was wondering the same, do tell.

Cheers!
________________________________________________________________

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Greg Lemon <glemon at neb.rr.com> wrote:

> Sounds wonderful, congrats, nothing like things working well after you put
> them back together, inquiring minds want to know what you did to get 160
> bhp and how it runs, smooth idle or lumpy, etc.?
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250 (pushing out an estimated 120-125)
>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Aug 16 19:39:19 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:39:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] indescribable
In-Reply-To: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
References: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208162138460.30204@isis.mit.edu>

As they say on Facebook - LIKE!!!


gratZ.
rml

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2012, Andrew Uprichard wrote:

> After more than a half-century on this earth, I thought I had experienced
> just about everything there was to experience.  That was, until I got my
> TR250 back from the dyno, correctly jetted and with 160bhp at the wheels.
> Not that I intend to set speed records, but the sheer exhilaration of
> driving the car after a 4-year restoration effort defies definitions.
> Shifting through those gears and feeling the smoothness of that engine (I
> love my TR3, but these 6 cylinders just exude power).
>
> Sorry everyone, but this is why I love these cars.  Unbelievable.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> 1962 TR3B
> 1968 TR250
> 1957 smallmouth (undergoing restoration)
>
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>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Aug 16 19:43:53 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:43:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] indescribable
In-Reply-To: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
References: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208162143071.30204@isis.mit.edu>

160 to the wheels... prey, do tell.

rml
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Aug 17 05:36:28 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:36:28 -0400
Subject: [6pack] indescribable
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208162143071.30204@isis.mit.edu>
References: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208162143071.30204@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <004601cd7c6c$8c0ee130$a42ca390$@uprichard.net>

To Bob and the many others who asked:

I owe most of this story to my cousin, Darryl Uprichard, owner of
Racetorations in the UK (no financial interest).  We talked about the
possibilities for the car and he came up with a menu of options for
performance versus cost.  We settled on +60 forged pistons, cam bearings and
a fast-road cam, the head was ported, we went with triple 40 DCOE Webers and
we fitted a stainless steel header.  Other additions included an electronic
distributor, a lightened flywheel and an alloy sump.

The car was dyno'd locally:  the shop had no experience with Webers, but
Racetorations sent a box of jets from which we chose airs, mains and idles
and returned the rest.  This made a huge difference:  for the person who
asked, the car now accelerates smoothly throughout the range.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:44 PM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] indescribable


160 to the wheels... prey, do tell.

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 17 07:50:27 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:50:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] indescribable
In-Reply-To: <004601cd7c6c$8c0ee130$a42ca390$@uprichard.net>
References: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208162143071.30204@isis.mit.edu>
	<004601cd7c6c$8c0ee130$a42ca390$@uprichard.net>
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Hi - believe it or not, I more or less assumed there was a connection to 
Racetorations. Family connection: even better!

What sort of chassis dyno were you running on?

And - we assume a free-flow exhaust, but what compression ratio are you 
running? And last - what size chokes are you running.

Last - what's the torque peak?

regards,
rml
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From Chip19474 at aol.com  Fri Aug 17 09:08:55 2012
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:08:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] [TR] indescribable
Message-ID: <e5f1.567a9a79.3d5fb887@aol.com>

Andrew,
 
I did a lot of engine mods to my TR6 motor during restoration and,  
unfortunately never had a chance to dyno it.  I know that it took a few  miles to 
get it sorted out (carb needles, adjustments, timing,etc.) so what did  you 
do and how was the sorting out process!!??
 
Oh....big congrats and hope you have many miles enjoying the power:)
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack,  PA
1976 TR6 CF57822U
 
 
In a message dated 8/16/2012 6:48:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
auprichard at uprichard.net writes:

That  was, until I got my
TR250 back from the dyno, correctly jetted and with  160bhp at the wheels.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 17 09:31:58 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:31:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] [TR] indescribable.....Now     "CALIFORNIA AIR"
In-Reply-To: <e5f1.567a9a79.3d5fb887@aol.com>
References: <e5f1.567a9a79.3d5fb887@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CF4AA4920B726A-154C-5BE33@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>

Lists:

The ultimate TR250 is featured on a new DVD by UK's John Clancy   (TR250K)

Kas Kastner's US/TRIUMPH Competition Years...including footage of the recent
Kastner Cup

The website     triumphdvd.co.uk

It includes YOUTUBE trailers of all of his TRIUMPH DVDs.


Can be ordered directly from John in the UK or through Ted Schumacher or
A.R.E. in NORTH AMERICA

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 17 10:54:53 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:54:53 -0400
Subject: [6pack] [TR] indescribable.....Now     "CALIFORNIA AIR"
In-Reply-To: <8CF4AA4920B726A-154C-5BE33@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
References: <e5f1.567a9a79.3d5fb887@aol.com>,
	<8CF4AA4920B726A-154C-5BE33@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W7069F15C9402F11CD4E18DBAB40@phx.gbl>

And lets not forget those awesome drivers interviews!  I'm not sure how I
pulled that one off, I think Evelyn must have slipped him a twenty behind my
back.
THANKS JOHN.

Marty


> To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:31:58 -0400
> CC: bfcc at hotmail.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] indescribable.....Now "CALIFORNIA AIR"
>
> Lists:
>
> The ultimate TR250 is featured on a new DVD by UK's John Clancy (TR250K)
>
> Kas Kastner's US/TRIUMPH Competition Years...including footage of the
recent
> Kastner Cup
>
> The website triumphdvd.co.uk
>
> It includes YOUTUBE trailers of all of his TRIUMPH DVDs.
>
>
> Can be ordered directly from John in the UK or through Ted Schumacher or
> A.R.E. in NORTH AMERICA
>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Aug 18 17:06:10 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:06:10 -0500
Subject: [6pack] indescribable
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208170948040.31877@isis.mit.edu>
References: <002f01cd7c01$209464e0$61bd2ea0$@uprichard.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208162143071.30204@isis.mit.edu>
	<004601cd7c6c$8c0ee130$a42ca390$@uprichard.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208170948040.31877@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <50301FE2.7000406@pobox.com>

And what can you tell us about the cam?  It would be nice to know: (1) 
duration seat-to-seat (2) duration 0.050 lift (3) total cam lift and (4) 
lobe separation angle and (5) intake lobe center angle.  Are you running 
stock lifter diameter of 0.80 and stock 1.5:1 rockers? I have dealt with 
Daryyl quite a bit for TR3/4 cam blanks.  I'm just finishing a frame off 
restoration of a TR250 I've had from new.  I tried to mimic the approach 
Kastner did to get a TR250 to run 128 mph with minimal changes to the 
engine.  Mine probably won't go that fast, that's why I said "mimic".
Larry Young
www.TildenTechnologies.com

On 8/17/2012 8:50 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote:
> Hi - believe it or not, I more or less assumed there was a connection 
> to Racetorations. Family connection: even better!
>
> What sort of chassis dyno were you running on?
>
> And - we assume a free-flow exhaust, but what compression ratio are 
> you running? And last - what size chokes are you running.
>
> Last - what's the torque peak?
>
> regards,
> rml
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
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> Former NER Solo Chair                          |"
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>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Aug 18 19:44:55 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:44:55 -0500
Subject: [6pack] open trailer available
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFCJowHGnxug42=nqzz46W3S97gbQd==GzWM6L_zSFteVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFCJowHGnxug42=nqzz46W3S97gbQd==GzWM6L_zSFteVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <318423B7389849B691034A1835EAA42B@Spitfire>

I'm running an empty trailer suitable for an lbc from dallas to tuscaloosa 
next friday.

if you need a car moved I can make you a great deal

dave northrup
dallas, tx 

From levilevi at comcast.net  Sun Aug 19 11:31:17 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:31:17 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Surrogate buyer near Sussex County, NJ?
Message-ID: <3F32BDBB-914F-469B-AA84-A2DBA0C5E6B2@comcast.net>

List,

Anyone know who the 6pack surrogate buyer is for areas near Sussex Co.  
NJ.

Thanks
Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
levilevi at comcast.net

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Aug 26 08:58:33 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:58:33 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Any one have this problem?
Message-ID: <00e601cd839b$440dff70$cc29fe50$@uprichard.net>

List:

After rebuilding the TR250, I noticed a distinct "click" from around my feet
and in sync with engine revs.  Turned out to be the servo non-return valve.
Advice was to keep trying until I found a valve which didn't "click"  So far
I have tried 5 (thanks to Marv Gruber for two) and still no luck.  The TR250
valves have three lugs and twist in a third of a turn, so they are harder to
come across than the later, TR6, variety.

Does anyone have experience with this and could it be something other than
the valve itself, say within the servo ?

Or if anyone has a decent valve they'd let me try, that would also be great.
Thanks in advance,

Andrew Uprichard
1962 TR3B
1968 TR250
1957 small-mouth (slow restoration)

From stubeatty at aol.com  Sun Aug 26 10:21:17 2012
From: stubeatty at aol.com (stubeatty at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Selling my TR6
Message-ID: <8CF51BDF3FADD9A-968-22DB2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>

After 28 years of ownership I have reluctantly decided to sell my 1976 TR6. I
am the second owner. There have been a lot of modifications done over the
years.
Shaved the head 110 thou, GP2 cam. roller rockers, triple ZS carb set up,
stainless ceramic coated Falcon header to Ansa exhaust, Delco alternator, hi
rev starter, electronic igintion, HD 4 core rad with electric fan, overdrive,
urethane bushings, Spax on all 4 corners, aluminum rad shroud, stock steering
wheel leather wrapped, original TR6 seats with cloth inserts and more. The
body is in fabulous shape, better than new, no rust anywhere. Soft top &
tonneau like new. Yokohama tires new last year. Just recoated the inside of
the fuel tank with POR product, new fuel pump.40 Watt Sony radio.
If you are interested or know of anyone who might be interested contact me off
list.
I plan to put this in ebay in the next week and will be advertising locally (2
hrs east of Toronto Ontario)

Stuart Beatty
76 Carmine TR6

From blambert at socal.rr.com  Mon Aug 27 08:03:27 2012
From: blambert at socal.rr.com (D&B Lambert)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:03:27 -0700
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Repro Bumper - Quality??
In-Reply-To: <8CF51BDF3FADD9A-968-22DB2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF51BDF3FADD9A-968-22DB2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3903130063AA4118B93F3C8E45431E7B@Lambert1>

Hello,
Can anyone comment from an experience standpoint on the quality of the repro
bumpers for an early TR6?  I've heard things from "don't bother, they're
made from tin foil" to "not as good as original but it's ok".  I'm
interested specifically about the rear bumper center section for my '71 TR6.
Does anyone have one on their car at this time?  Has it been ok?  Any
vendors better than the others?  I'd much rather have the original
straightened and re-chromed, but here in SoCal the price of chrome work has
gone astronomical.
Thanks, Dennis

From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 27 09:08:06 2012
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Repro Bumper - Quality??
In-Reply-To: <3903130063AA4118B93F3C8E45431E7B@Lambert1>
Message-ID: <1346080086.56590.YahooMailClassic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I purchased a complete bumper set (F&R) from a Moss reseller back in 2006. The
finish was good. The way the front bumper fit deviated noticeably compared to
the original. It protruded out a bit and was lower. Not enough that the casual
observer would notice, however.

The rear fitted better but the way it fit relative to the body was a tiny bit
different. I would suggest getting new corner bumpers, too. I tried mixing old
and new parts and it was a struggle to get them all to fit together.

Get new rubber seals that go between the center and corner pieces, too.

Jim

--- On Mon, 8/27/12, D&B Lambert <blambert at socal.rr.com> wrote:

From: D&B Lambert <blambert at socal.rr.com>
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Repro Bumper - Quality??
To: 6pack at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 9:03 AM

Hello,
Can anyone comment from an experience standpoint on the quality of the repro
bumpers for an early TR6?  I've heard things from "don't bother, they're
made from tin foil" to "not as good as original but it's ok".  I'm
interested specifically about the rear bumper center section for my '71 TR6.
Does anyone have one on their car at this time?  Has it been ok?  Any
vendors better than the others?  I'd much rather have the original
straightened and re-chromed, but here in SoCal the price of chrome work has
gone astronomical.
Thanks, Dennis

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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 27 12:51:17 2012
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:51:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Oil Cooler
In-Reply-To: <20120827182058.I4WOI.45230.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
References: <3903130063AA4118B93F3C8E45431E7B@Lambert1>
	<20120827182058.I4WOI.45230.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <1346093477.17185.YahooMailNeo@web160402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hello All,
I am considering adding an oil cooler (13 row) to my 74 TR6. TRF has them on sale and now may be a good time to purchase. I run 20-50 and really only drive the car in the summer. I have noticed a drop in pressure as the car warms up to around 10-15PSI at idle. My questions are do I need to add a thermostat? When changing the oil how to you get old oil out of the cooler, or do you need not worry about that? Any other concerns I should be aware of.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Robert
Robert Rudolphi
1974 TR6

From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 27 13:22:36 2012
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:22:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Oil Cooler
In-Reply-To: <1346093477.17185.YahooMailNeo@web160402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1346095356.70683.YahooMailClassic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I would not get an oil cooler without the thermostat. The question is IF your car needs one at all. The oil has to reach a certain temperature to provide optimal lubrication properties. Lowering the temperature could work against that. I would not worry about the low pressure reading if you are using quality oil suitable for your motor.

If the concern is over heating the motor, a thermostatically controlled electric fan is a much better investment. Plus it reduces drag on your motor. If you know that your cooling system is in good shape - clean radiator and water passages - then an oil cooler won't do you much good.

IF your motor has been modified to provide more performance then it's probably a good idea.  I had one on my car as insurance because the motor had a supercharger.

Regards,
Jim

--- On Mon, 8/27/12, robert rudolphi <robertrudolphi at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: robert rudolphi <robertrudolphi at yahoo.com>
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Oil Cooler
To: "6pack at autox.team.net" <6pack at autox.team.net>, "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 1:51 PM

Hello All,
I am considering adding an oil cooler (13 row) to my 74 TR6. TRF has them on sale and now may be a good time to purchase. I run 20-50 and really only drive the car in the summer. I have noticed a drop in pressure as the car warms up to around 10-15PSI at idle. My questions are do I need to add a thermostat? When changing the oil how to you get old oil out of the cooler, or do you need not worry about that? Any other concerns I should be aware of.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Robert
Robert Rudolphi
1974 TR6

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 27 13:46:29 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:46:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Oil Cooler
In-Reply-To: <1346093477.17185.YahooMailNeo@web160402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <3903130063AA4118B93F3C8E45431E7B@Lambert1>
	<20120827182058.I4WOI.45230.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
	<1346093477.17185.YahooMailNeo@web160402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208271521481.12125@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Whether you need an oil cooler is subject for debate. Going out on a limb 
here, a street driven motor would probably never see critical oil temps, 
hence the oil cooler is not needed. If, on the other hand, you have a race 
motor that sees high-rpm, heavy load operation, then the oil cooler would 
be called for. The one exception for a street-driven car would be if you 
tow or you plan to sit in traffic all the time.

As a single data point, I have a 12:1 motor in an autocrosser and I do run 
an oil cooler. With no oil cooler, I would see oil temps in excess of 210 
on a hot day. With the oil cooler I do see up to about 180 when it gets 
really hot and I have two drivers and there's an occasional spike to 
200-ish. So the delta T with a 13-row cooler is 10 - 30 derees oil temp. I 
have a 13-row cooler and I have a thermostatic bypass valve.

But to the point - with an oil cooler and the old-style oil (20w50), 
you're giving up horsepower due to parasitic drag from the oil. There are 
other side-issues that are related to the oil being too cool.

I guess the point is, there's not much to be gained by the oil cooler 
except possibly the ooh-ahh factor. In any case, if you do run an oil 
cooler make sure that you have one of the thermostatically controlled 
bypass thingies because if you don't run one of those and you run your car 
when it's cold the oil will NEVER get to operating temps and you'll be 
bypassing the pressure relief valve all the time because the oil pressure 
will STAY at 100+ psi all the time. This is patently bad, IMHO. Also note 
that you are adding a maintenance item to your system...

regarding maintenance of an oil cooler, with a thermostatic bypass, you 
need to test the thing to make sure it's actually working, so add that to 
your monthly to-do list. You also need to keep a sharp eye on the cooler 
and hoses for problems. The oil flows through the system at line pressure, 
so a tiny crack in the cooler itself can turn into a gusher at (usually) 
the worst time. There's also the issue of purging the oil cooler during 
oil changes so that you get a full, fresh charge of new oil during oil 
changes... which is one of the points of doing oil changes.

But that's my two cents on the matter. Like I said, I have one on the race 
car. I don't have one on the street car.

c ya,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
Former NER Solo Chair                          |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Aug 27 14:43:14 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:43:14 -0400
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Oil Cooler
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208271521481.12125@isis.mit.edu>
References: <3903130063AA4118B93F3C8E45431E7B@Lambert1>
	<20120827182058.I4WOI.45230.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
	<1346093477.17185.YahooMailNeo@web160402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208271521481.12125@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <002b01cd8494$9909e080$cb1da180$@uprichard.net>

Another consideration is blowing the oil cooler on a cold day if you don't
run it with a thermostat.  The coolers aren't meant to deal with the high
pressure of oil on a cold day.  Plus, the first thing you may notice is when
that oil warning light comes on.......

Andrew Uprichard

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert M. Lang
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 3:46 PM
To: robert rudolphi
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Oil Cooler

Hi,

Whether you need an oil cooler is subject for debate. Going out on a limb
here, a street driven motor would probably never see critical oil temps,
hence the oil cooler is not needed. If, on the other hand, you have a race
motor that sees high-rpm, heavy load operation, then the oil cooler would be
called for. The one exception for a street-driven car would be if you tow or
you plan to sit in traffic all the time.

As a single data point, I have a 12:1 motor in an autocrosser and I do run
an oil cooler. With no oil cooler, I would see oil temps in excess of 210 on
a hot day. With the oil cooler I do see up to about 180 when it gets really
hot and I have two drivers and there's an occasional spike to 200-ish. So
the delta T with a 13-row cooler is 10 - 30 derees oil temp. I have a 13-row
cooler and I have a thermostatic bypass valve.

But to the point - with an oil cooler and the old-style oil (20w50), you're
giving up horsepower due to parasitic drag from the oil. There are other
side-issues that are related to the oil being too cool.

I guess the point is, there's not much to be gained by the oil cooler except
possibly the ooh-ahh factor. In any case, if you do run an oil cooler make
sure that you have one of the thermostatically controlled bypass thingies
because if you don't run one of those and you run your car when it's cold
the oil will NEVER get to operating temps and you'll be bypassing the
pressure relief valve all the time because the oil pressure will STAY at
100+ psi all the time. This is patently bad, IMHO. Also note that you are
adding a maintenance item to your system...

regarding maintenance of an oil cooler, with a thermostatic bypass, you need
to test the thing to make sure it's actually working, so add that to your
monthly to-do list. You also need to keep a sharp eye on the cooler and
hoses for problems. The oil flows through the system at line pressure, so a
tiny crack in the cooler itself can turn into a gusher at (usually) the
worst time. There's also the issue of purging the oil cooler during oil
changes so that you get a full, fresh charge of new oil during oil
changes... which is one of the points of doing oil changes.

But that's my two cents on the matter. Like I said, I have one on the race
car. I don't have one on the street car.

c ya,
rml
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Former NER Solo Chair                          |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 27 15:20:19 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:20:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Oil Cooler
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208271521481.12125@isis.mit.edu>
References: <3903130063AA4118B93F3C8E45431E7B@Lambert1>
	<20120827182058.I4WOI.45230.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
	<1346093477.17185.YahooMailNeo@web160402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1208271521481.12125@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CF52B0E4D7B400-1948-2FA99@webmail-d018.sysops.aol.com>

what BOBSTA said

we are sub-3.00 minutes at Road America and dont run an oil cooler.

we did....but had to block off air to get oil temps up.

we also run a dead stock radiator and always have.

one less oil leak and one less failure opportunity.



Joe A
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: robert rudolphi <robertrudolphi at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Oil Cooler


Hi,

Whether you need an oil cooler is subject for debate. Going out on a limb
here, a street driven motor would probably never see critical oil temps,
hence the oil cooler is not needed. If, on the other hand, you have a race
motor that sees high-rpm, heavy load operation, then the oil cooler would
be called for. The one exception for a street-driven car would be if you
tow or you plan to sit in traffic all the time.

As a single data point, I have a 12:1 motor in an autocrosser and I do run
an oil cooler. With no oil cooler, I would see oil temps in excess of 210
on a hot day. With the oil cooler I do see up to about 180 when it gets
really hot and I have two drivers and there's an occasional spike to
200-ish. So the delta T with a 13-row cooler is 10 - 30 derees oil temp. I
have a 13-row cooler and I have a thermostatic bypass valve.

But to the point - with an oil cooler and the old-style oil (20w50),
you're giving up horsepower due to parasitic drag from the oil. There are
other side-issues that are related to the oil being too cool.

I guess the point is, there's not much to be gained by the oil cooler
except possibly the ooh-ahh factor. In any case, if you do run an oil
cooler make sure that you have one of the thermostatically controlled
bypass thingies because if you don't run one of those and you run your car
when it's cold the oil will NEVER get to operating temps and you'll be
bypassing the pressure relief valve all the time because the oil pressure
will STAY at 100+ psi all the time. This is patently bad, IMHO. Also note
that you are adding a maintenance item to your system...

regarding maintenance of an oil cooler, with a thermostatic bypass, you
need to test the thing to make sure it's actually working, so add that to
your monthly to-do list. You also need to keep a sharp eye on the cooler
and hoses for problems. The oil flows through the system at line pressure,
so a tiny crack in the cooler itself can turn into a gusher at (usually)
the worst time. There's also the issue of purging the oil cooler during
oil changes so that you get a full, fresh charge of new oil during oil
changes... which is one of the points of doing oil changes.

But that's my two cents on the matter. Like I said, I have one on the race
car. I don't have one on the street car.

c ya,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
Former NER Solo Chair                          |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From jzagami at si.rr.com  Mon Aug 27 16:34:27 2012
From: jzagami at si.rr.com (Joseph Zagami)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:34:27 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Repro bumper
Message-ID: <23C80C99-7438-4461-ABF7-C6BFB51F0BE9@si.rr.com>

I have a complete set from VB. The weight and fit seem to be the same as the
originals( which I still have). After 5 years they have held up well. As a
caveat, I have not taken the car out in the rain or washed the car for that
matter. I have been told by some restoration shops that the repros do not
weather well (the plating is not triple plating) but if they are refinished
they look and weather like the originals.
                Regards,
                            Joseph 71 Tr6