From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 1 20:30:11 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 22:30:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Trailer Ohio to TRF area Message-ID: I might have an empty trailer going from northern ohio to the TRF area and back. Anybody need a car or some big parts hauled? Marty Sukey From brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 5 15:34:31 2011 From: brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca (Bruce Simms) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 14:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Access port on transmission tunnel cover - Recommendations? Message-ID: <1309901671.71630.YahooMailRC@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Okay, replacing old dash with sharp looking burl venner one. While I'm in there....replace and lube speeo cable, tach cable, oil presuure line and all the bulbs. What else? Outer casing on sppedo cable torn, so out she comes. Maybe speedo will be steadier. Everything apart, so far so good except for undoing sppedo cable at OD adapter. Can't get enough on it to unscrew it. Not enough room. The shop manual section for this job says to remove right side tunnel carpet and take off access cover, great except that my 73 is an A type OD conversion, so no got one. The plastc tunnel cover from the RF didn't have that option when I bought it. So, looks like I need to cut one out. Drill a hole and cut out acess panel with a sawzall. Shouldn't take long. Roger William's book "How to Restore TR6" has a picture of one on pg 106. I guess I'll follow that unless folks have other recommendations or measurements I could follow. Guess I'll cover the hole with sheet metal and self tapping screws. Thank you, Bruce Simms From forzion7 at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 16:32:11 2011 From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:32:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Access port on transmission tunnel cover - Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1309901671.71630.YahooMailRC@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1309901671.71630.YahooMailRC@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, there's no access cover for the side of the tranny tunnel and it is a problem. I tried to salvage the speedo cover from my original tranny tunnel but the shape is different for the new molded plastic tunnels. Seems like someone could manufacture a run or two of these and it would fill a gap left there by the Big 3. They all sell the molded tranny covers but no one sells a speedo cable adapter cover that fits the molded tunnel..... Dave '74 Six w/A/OD +TBI On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Bruce Simms wrote: > Okay, replacing old dash with sharp looking burl venner one. While I'm in > there....replace and lube > speeo cable, tach cable, oil presuure line and all > the bulbs. What else? > Outer casing on sppedo cable torn, so out she > comes. Maybe speedo will be > steadier. > Everything apart, so far so good > except for undoing sppedo cable at OD > adapter. Can't get enough on it to > unscrew it. Not enough room. > The shop manual section for this job says to > remove right side tunnel carpet and > take off access cover, great except that > my 73 is an A type OD conversion, so no > got one. > The plastc tunnel cover from > the RF didn't have that option when I bought it. > > So, looks like I need to cut > one out. Drill a hole and cut out acess panel > with a sawzall. Shouldn't > take long. Roger William's book "How to Restore > TR6" has a picture of > one on pg 106. I guess I'll follow that unless folks > have other > recommendations or measurements I could follow. Guess I'll cover > the hole > with sheet metal and self tapping screws. > > Thank you, > > Bruce Simms > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/forzion7 at gmail.com From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 5 16:58:59 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:58:59 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Access port on transmission tunnel cover - Recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <1309901671.71630.YahooMailRC@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51E4230201FD4A0DBAE8910DFE35B23E@ranteer.local> its not that hard to make one out of fiberglass -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Friedlander" Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 5:32 PM To: "Bruce Simms" Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Access port on transmission tunnel cover - Recommendations? > Yeah, there's no access cover for the side of the tranny tunnel > and it is a problem. > > I tried to salvage the speedo cover from my original tranny tunnel but > the shape is different for the new molded plastic tunnels. Seems like > someone could manufacture a run or two of these and it would fill > a gap left there by the Big 3. They all sell the molded tranny covers > but no one sells a speedo cable adapter cover that fits the molded > tunnel..... From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue Jul 5 17:20:06 2011 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (tedtsimx at bright.net) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 19:20:06 -0400 Subject: [6pack] =?utf-8?q?Access_port_on_transmission_tunnel_cover_-_Reco?= =?utf-8?q?mmendations_=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1309901671.71630.YahooMailRC@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3c7d766c-3b0a-4b34-9a3e-1cf26110a175@blur> We make a retro cover for OD right angle drive. Ted Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: David Friedlander To: Bruce Simms Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 22:32:11 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [6pack] Access port on transmission tunnel cover - Recommendations? Yeah, there's no access cover for the side of the tranny tunnel and it is a problem. I tried to salvage the speedo cover from my original tranny tunnel but the shape is different for the new molded plastic tunnels. Seems like someone could manufacture a run or two of these and it would fill a gap left there by the Big 3. They all sell the molded tranny covers but no one sells a speedo cable adapter cover that fits the molded tunnel..... Dave '74 Six w/A/OD +TBI On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Bruce Simms wrote: > Okay, replacing old dash with sharp looking burl venner one. While I'm in > there....replace and lube > speeo cable, tach cable, oil presuure line and all > the bulbs. What else? > Outer casing on sppedo cable torn, so out she > comes. Maybe speedo will be > steadier. > Everything apart, so far so good > except for undoing sppedo cable at OD > adapter. Can't get enough on it to > unscrew it. Not enough room. > The shop manual section for this job says to > remove right side tunnel carpet and > take off access cover, great except that > my 73 is an A type OD conversion, so no > got one. > The plastc tunnel cover from > the RF didn't have that option when I bought it. > > So, looks like I need to cut > one out. Drill a hole and cut out acess panel > with a sawzall. Shouldn't > take long. Roger William's book "How to Restore > TR6" has a picture of > one on pg 106. I guess I'll follow that unless folks > have other > recommendations or measurements I could follow. Guess I'll cover > the hole > with sheet metal and self tapping screws. > > Thank you, > > Bruce Simms > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/forzion7 at gmail.com ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tedtsimx at bright.net From anabil007 at comcast.net Tue Jul 5 17:30:47 2011 From: anabil007 at comcast.net (Bill) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:30:47 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Access port on transmission tunnel cover - Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <51E4230201FD4A0DBAE8910DFE35B23E@ranteer.local> References: <1309901671.71630.YahooMailRC@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <51E4230201FD4A0DBAE8910DFE35B23E@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Or just cut a hole in the old one, use the rubber plug from the TR3 ... =s access ... >its not that hard to make one out of fiberglass > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "David Friedlander" >Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 5:32 PM >To: "Bruce Simms" >Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net> >Subject: Re: [6pack] Access port on transmission tunnel cover - >Recommendations? > >>Yeah, there's no access cover for the side of the tranny tunnel >>and it is a problem. >> -- "Thinking is the hardest work there is. That's why so few people undertake it." - Henry Ford Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA From jimjcmo at yahoo.com Tue Jul 5 17:44:48 2011 From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Notice to list Message-ID: <1309909488.28988.YahooMailClassic@web160714.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It is painful for me to say this (very painful) but I am selling my beloved 1972 Emerald TR6. I must note there are several modifications, including a Moss supercharger. Please contact me off list if you have any interest. Here is a link to pictures of it: http://s1128.photobucket.com/albums/m493/jimjcmo/ If you want to contact me with questions my number is 573-291-2355. I really want this to go to someone who cares about these cars. Regards to all, Jim Jones Jefferson City, MO From jattr6 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 6 11:29:54 2011 From: jattr6 at hotmail.com (James_ TR6) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:29:54 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? Message-ID: Ok, I have Dan Master's electrical book.My Red Ignition light comes on while driving.Sometimes it waits a while to come on.I had my alternator tested. Was told it is perfect.Battery is good too. hmmm? Any ideas? From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed Jul 6 13:21:28 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 15:21:28 EDT Subject: [6pack] Access port on transmission tunnel cover - Recommendations? Message-ID: <2d425.386cb54a.3b460fb8@aol.com> When I replaced my transmission cover on my '72 with factory A-type OD I transferred the existing covers to the new one by cutting out the two sections , one on the left side for the solenoid and right hand for the speedo. ISTR that the ABS covers have the "bump outs" where the covers go. I sealed them with "bun bum and they seem to work fine. I also seem to recall that TRF has them listed in their TR6 catalogue. If they are not available you might want to contact Scott Harper at Team Triumph to see if you can obtain them. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 7/6/2011 1:31:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 6pack-request at autox.team.net writes: The shop manual section for this job says to remove right side tunnel carpet and take off access cover, great except that my 73 is an A type OD conversion, so no got one. The plastc tunnel cover from the RF didn't have that option when I bought it. From davgil at aol.com Wed Jul 6 13:55:11 2011 From: davgil at aol.com (davgil at aol.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:55:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE0A2DBFA80FEA-1A40-330CE@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com> James, I have that problem occasionally. I have found that when I remove and replace the connections to the alternator a few times, the problem is temporarily resolved. I need to clean the contacts well and probably use a little dialectric grease on them, but it somehow seems easier just to remove and replace the plug a time or two and enjoy the drive. This may or may not help with your problem. David Gill 1976 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: James_ TR6 To: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:29 pm Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? Ok, I have Dan Master's electrical book.My Red Ignition light comes on while riving.Sometimes it waits a while to come on.I had my alternator tested. Was old it is perfect.Battery is good too. hmmm? ny ideas? ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/davgil at aol.com From rgperry at earthlink.net Wed Jul 6 15:50:28 2011 From: rgperry at earthlink.net (Robert Perry) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 16:50:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? Message-ID: <8531012.1309989028716.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> James, Years ago I had a light ( I believe it was the red ignition light) stay on. The problem was the brake differential switch (PDWA switch). The o rings leaked fluid and caused the switch to short or the slide piston was off center activating the switch. Try removing the electrical connector to the PDWA switch. Repair of the PDWA switch is up to you. I left the switch connector disconnected ever since. Regards, Greg Perry -----Original Message----- >From: James_ TR6 >Sent: Jul 6, 2011 12:29 PM >To: 6pack at autox.team.net >Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? > >Ok, I have Dan Master's electrical book.My Red Ignition light comes on while >driving.Sometimes it waits a while to come on.I had my alternator tested. Was >told it is perfect.Battery is good too. hmmm? >Any ideas? > >________________________________________ > >6pack at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rgperry at earthlink.net From jattr6 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 6 17:27:02 2011 From: jattr6 at hotmail.com (James_ TR6) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 23:27:02 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? In-Reply-To: <8531012.1309989028716.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8531012.1309989028716.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks Greg! I had that experience too, but i think the PDWA only affected the brake light.for years i had my brake light bulb disabled....until i rebuilt the PDWA and bleed the brakesto re-align the piston.but thanks...i think i have a gremlin elsewhere. side note, we all hear people poke fun of Lucas and our cars, but i have found Lucas to be great.the only time i have an issue is when in fact there is an issue. :-)sure, it may be poor/bad connections due to design...but mostly age. > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 16:50:28 -0500 > From: rgperry at earthlink.net > To: jattr6 at hotmail.com; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? > > James, > > Years ago I had a light ( I believe it was the red ignition light) stay on. The problem was the brake differential switch (PDWA switch). The o rings leaked fluid and caused the switch to short or the slide piston was off center activating the switch. Try removing the electrical connector to the PDWA switch. Repair of the PDWA switch is up to you. I left the switch connector disconnected ever since. > > Regards, > Greg Perry > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: James_ TR6 > >Sent: Jul 6, 2011 12:29 PM > >To: 6pack at autox.team.net > >Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? > > > >Ok, I have Dan Master's electrical book.My Red Ignition light comes on while > >driving.Sometimes it waits a while to come on.I had my alternator tested. Was > >told it is perfect.Battery is good too. hmmm? > >Any ideas? > > > >________________________________________ > > > >6pack at autox.team.net > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rgperry at earthlink.net From colinthom at shaw.ca Wed Jul 6 22:23:21 2011 From: colinthom at shaw.ca (Colin Thom) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 21:23:21 -0700 Subject: [6pack] shifting hot Message-ID: <001401cc3c5d$9b0fa2a0$d12ee7e0$@ca> Hi Gang. Back in May I posted a query about my car not shifting well once things got hot. I'm pleased to report that after resealing, then replacing the CMC and CSC and paying careful attention to the bleeding thereof, things are once again right in my world. I also switched from DOT 5 to DOT 4 but who knows if that made a difference or not. Many thanks to Dick Taylor and Bill Wellbaum for advice along the way. Colin '75. Oh..does a guy grease the clevis pins in his clutch linkage? If yes, with what? From im_sloane at hotmail.com Thu Jul 7 07:45:58 2011 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 13:45:58 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brother had this issue on his 73. He was missing the engine-block to body grounding wire. It would find ground somewhere, but intermittently lose ground, and light would flicker. He burned up 2 alternators before our mechanic noticed he was missing this wire. Problem solved. Sloane :o) 69-Six > From: jattr6 at hotmail.com > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:29:54 +0000 > Subject: [6pack] Red Ignition Light? > > Ok, I have Dan Master's electrical book.My Red Ignition light comes on while > driving.Sometimes it waits a while to come on.I had my alternator tested. Was > told it is perfect.Battery is good too. hmmm? > Any ideas? From tr6taylor at webtv.net Thu Jul 7 13:46:32 2011 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:46:32 GMT Subject: [6pack] shifting hot Message-ID: Wheel bearing grease was about the best I found to minimize wear at the pedal box linkage. Even so, eventually the bore in the clutch pedal arm was excessive enough to warrant boring it out, and sleeving it back to the original size. I used bronze for the bushing, and also made a bronze clevis pin. Overkill maybe, but... Dick -----Original Message----- From: Colin Thom Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 9:23 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] shifting hot Hi Gang. Back in May I posted a query about my car not shifting well once things got hot. I'm pleased to report that after resealing, then replacing the CMC and CSC and paying careful attention to the bleeding thereof, things are once again right in my world. I also switched from DOT 5 to DOT 4 but who knows if that made a difference or not. Many thanks to Dick Taylor and Bill Wellbaum for advice along the way. Colin '75. Oh..does a guy grease the clevis pins in his clutch linkage? If yes, with what? ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tr6taylor at webtv.net From auprichard at uprichard.net Thu Jul 7 16:06:07 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:06:07 -0400 Subject: [6pack] question on magnesium wheels In-Reply-To: References: <3a5cf.7c95b718.3b39d95c@cs.com><4E092E8E.5020901@rmi.net><4E150277.2040807@rmi.net> Message-ID: <18290F2171F94A3D96EA7083849D7756@DCH6RFC1> Oh all-knowing ones: Can magnesium wheels (torq thrust, American racing Silverstone, came on triumphs) be repaired? My recollection of chemistry would suggest that Mg + heat = nasty explosion, but what if you have a wheel with a cracked rim? Andrew Uprichard From dcmdcm at nc.rr.com Fri Jul 8 16:14:39 2011 From: dcmdcm at nc.rr.com (Douglas Morris) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:14:39 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Insurance for Vacation Travel Message-ID: <8DBC1AB9-79E7-48FD-B8F4-D1CB28272C09@nc.rr.com> Anybody know of a good source for comprehensive insurance that would cover a cross-country trip? The three companies I know of (who deal in classic-car comprehensive) don't cover that kind of use. Barring that, any TR events in Seattle, LA, and Austin (late Jul - early Aug) that I can go to as my primary destinations? Doug Morris, NC, '74 CF-18xxx-UO From dcmdcm at nc.rr.com Fri Jul 8 17:13:57 2011 From: dcmdcm at nc.rr.com (Douglas Morris) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:13:57 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Glove Compartment Hinge Screws Message-ID: <3EB9935D-2CB1-428F-B5E4-2704366695E4@nc.rr.com> Has anyone repaired loose glove-compartment hinge screws? I just added the nifty finger-hook dealio to my glove-compartment push button, but the hinge screws are barely hangin' in. (I think they're still workin' only out of habit; and I'd hate to have cigars, revolver, sunglasses, flashlight, pressure gauge, pens, etc. come tumbling out unexpectedly.) I'd re-drill and plug the holes, if I could get a drill in there; buuut maybe there's a proven better way. (No, bigger screws don't work.) From tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net Fri Jul 8 18:12:11 2011 From: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net (Tomislav Marincic) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:12:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR: question on magnesium wheels Message-ID: <380-2201176901211109@earthlink.net> Andrew, I had a set of 5 ARE Silverstone magnesium wheels for my TR250. I had them repaired in York, PA, by some large company that advertised in Hemmings. They were able to repair and weld without any difficulty. I had one wheel with a chunk missing out of the rim, and they repaired it beautifully. I had another with 3 cracked spokes, and they pronounced it unrepairable. I guess it depends on how badly damaged the wheels are. Good luck. To From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Fri Jul 8 18:42:13 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:42:13 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Glove Compartment Hinge Screws In-Reply-To: <3EB9935D-2CB1-428F-B5E4-2704366695E4@nc.rr.com> References: <3EB9935D-2CB1-428F-B5E4-2704366695E4@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5166084E94F04BC5BA35CFEEABE2450B@BobPC> You could try breaking a wood toothpick into the hole to see if it gives the screws something to bite into. Or fill the holes with plastic wood, screw just the screws (no door or hinge) in while it's still soft, let it harden and back the screws out. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Morris Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:13 PM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Glove Compartment Hinge Screws Has anyone repaired loose glove-compartment hinge screws? I just added the nifty finger-hook dealio to my glove-compartment push button, but the hinge screws are barely hangin' in. (I think they're still workin' only out of habit; and I'd hate to have cigars, revolver, sunglasses, flashlight, pressure gauge, pens, etc. come tumbling out unexpectedly.) I'd re-drill and plug the holes, if I could get a drill in there; buuut maybe there's a proven better way. (No, bigger screws don't work.) From tr6taylor at webtv.net Fri Jul 8 19:51:57 2011 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:51:57 GMT Subject: [6pack] Glove Compartment Hinge Screws Message-ID: Douglas---I filled these hinge holes with a product called "FIXALL". It's a powder to be mixed with water. It hardens fairly quick. I poked the mixture down into the stripped holes, then stuck toothpicks down to compress as much as possible. I sort of remember leaving pieces of these 'picks (the round style) down in the holes during the setup. Anyway, it's been holding up for the years since I redid the dash wood. There's probably better stuff, like maybe plastic wood that could do the job. tho I haven't seen this product on shelves in some time. And I was able to use the original screws. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Morris Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 4:13 PM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Glove Compartment Hinge Screws Has anyone repaired loose glove-compartment hinge screws? I just added the nifty finger-hook dealio to my glove-compartment push button, but the hinge screws are barely hangin' in. (I think they're still workin' only out of habit; and I'd hate to have cigars, revolver, sunglasses, flashlight, pressure gauge, pens, etc. come tumbling out unexpectedly.) I'd re-drill and plug the holes, if I could get a drill in there; buuut maybe there's a proven better way. (No, bigger screws don't work.) ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tr6taylor at webtv.net From emanteno at comcast.net Sat Jul 9 09:50:51 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:50:51 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Servo Question Message-ID: All, I have just received a rebuilt servo and it came without the white plastic fitting for the vacuum line. I have the fitting that I need in another servo unit, but I don't know how to get it out and have a strong desire not to break it while trying to get it out. Has someone out there been there, done that? THANKS, Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL From jsnable at mac.com Sat Jul 9 10:55:22 2011 From: jsnable at mac.com (Jay Snable) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:55:22 -0700 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Servo Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01ADE38A-8CF7-4ED1-827A-21C73E83AB60@mac.com> I rebuilt my servo quite a few years back, and if I remember correctly that piece just pulls out (there may be a slight barb to hold it in). I'd try to get some lubrication in there and work it out slowly - it's probably pretty brittle by now! Jay '73 TR6 On Jul 9, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Irv Korey wrote: > All, > > I have just received a rebuilt servo and it came without the white plastic > fitting for the vacuum line. I have the > fitting that I need in another servo unit, but I don't know how to get it > out and have a strong desire not > to break it while trying to get it out. Has someone out there been there, > done that? > > THANKS, > > Irv Korey > 74 TR6 CF22767U > Highland Park, IL > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/jsnable at mac.com From emanteno at comcast.net Sun Jul 10 08:44:46 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:44:46 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Servo Question In-Reply-To: <01ADE38A-8CF7-4ED1-827A-21C73E83AB60@mac.com> References: <01ADE38A-8CF7-4ED1-827A-21C73E83AB60@mac.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jay Snable wrote: > I rebuilt my servo quite a few years back, and if I remember correctly that > piece just pulls out (there may be a slight barb to hold it in). I'd try to > get some lubrication in there and work it out slowly - it's probably pretty > brittle by now! > Thanks to the advice from Jay Snable, John Mitchell, Tim Hutchison, and Jerry V V, I was able to successfully extract my fitting this AM. Thanks for the help, guys. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL From forzion7 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 19:11:50 2011 From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:11:50 -0400 Subject: [6pack] PDWA switch leak Message-ID: Hey team ~ I noticed my brake pedal getting lower, of late. Each time I went for a drive I noted it was a bit softer pedal. Now I'm at the point of saying I'm not driving ther car until I figure it out. Tried to bleed the brakes but kept getting bubbles and the pedal wasn't improving. So, I figured I had a leak in the system somewhere. After investigation, it appears that when I pump the brake pedal some, I get brake fluid (DOT 5) coming up out of the PDWA switch though the *top* of the nylon switch, around the warning light wire. Anyone (everyone) ever had this problem before? TRF wants $58.91 for that little nylon switch and, if there's a way to fix it without replacing it, I'd sure like to know.... Thanks in advance, for any BTDT advice offered. Dave '74 Six From lfm614 at aol.com Sun Jul 10 19:54:25 2011 From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:54:25 +0000 Subject: [6pack] PDWA switch leak Message-ID: <105451890-1310349227-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-193497226-@b1.c20.bise6.blackberry> The electrical switch does not hold pressure the little o-rings on the piston inside do. Not hard to push the piston out and replace the o-rings. If you take the old ones and piston to a local supplier you can probably get them for less than $0.50 if you order them you'll pay many times more just in S&H alone. Lou 72 Pimento ------Original Message------ From: David Friedlander Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net To: TR-6 list Subject: [6pack] PDWA switch leak Sent: Jul 10, 2011 8:11 PM Hey team ~ I noticed my brake pedal getting lower, of late. Each time I went for a drive I noted it was a bit softer pedal. Now I'm at the point of saying I'm not driving ther car until I figure it out. Tried to bleed the brakes but kept getting bubbles and the pedal wasn't improving. So, I figured I had a leak in the system somewhere. After investigation, it appears that when I pump the brake pedal some, I get brake fluid (DOT 5) coming up out of the PDWA switch though the *top* of the nylon switch, around the warning light wire. Anyone (everyone) ever had this problem before? TRF wants $58.91 for that little nylon switch and, if there's a way to fix it without replacing it, I'd sure like to know.... Thanks in advance, for any BTDT advice offered. Dave '74 Six ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/lfm614 at aol.com From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sun Jul 10 20:15:08 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:15:08 -0400 Subject: [6pack] PDWA switch leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B36814C5774419D83D45B4ADCF04285@BobPC> Dave, Moss has a couple of excellent videos posted on You Tube for rebuilding the switch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hk73mih2pc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z79ATcN-juw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oI2yrRCUVI Look them over............ might fix your problem. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: David Friedlander Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:11 PM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] PDWA switch leak Hey team ~ I noticed my brake pedal getting lower, of late. Each time I went for a drive I noted it was a bit softer pedal. Now I'm at the point of saying I'm not driving ther car until I figure it out. Tried to bleed the brakes but kept getting bubbles and the pedal wasn't improving. So, I figured I had a leak in the system somewhere. After investigation, it appears that when I pump the brake pedal some, I get brake fluid (DOT 5) coming up out of the PDWA switch though the *top* of the nylon switch, around the warning light wire. Anyone (everyone) ever had this problem before? TRF wants $58.91 for that little nylon switch and, if there's a way to fix it without replacing it, I'd sure like to know.... Thanks in advance, for any BTDT advice offered. Dave '74 Six ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From forzion7 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 20:33:54 2011 From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:33:54 -0400 Subject: [6pack] PDWA switch leak In-Reply-To: <105451890-1310349227-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-193497226-@b1.c20.bise6.blackberry> References: <105451890-1310349227-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-193497226-@b1.c20.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Cool! I should have remembered that as I rebuilt the PDWA just 3-4 years ago. Seems 'early' for the o-rings to fail. I know they make o-rings out of many different rubber compounds.So, because of the 'early' failure, I now suspect I may have used a correct o-ring size when I last rebuilt the PDWA but perhaps the WRONG O-RING MATERIAL. For those interested, see the first chart here, for compatibility of static and dynamic seal materials used with brake fluids: http://www.efunda.com/designstandards/oring/oring_chemical.cfm?SM=none&SC=Brake%20Fluid I may go with teflon rings, this time..... Thanks to all for your inputs! Dave '74 Six On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:54 PM, wrote: > The electrical switch does not hold pressure the little o-rings on the > piston inside do. Not hard to push the piston out and replace the o-rings. > If you take the old ones and piston to a local supplier you can probably > get them for less than $0.50 if you order them you'll pay many times more > just in S&H alone. > > Lou > 72 Pimento > ------Original Message------ > From: David Friedlander > Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net > To: TR-6 list > Subject: [6pack] PDWA switch leak > Sent: Jul 10, 2011 8:11 PM > > Hey team ~ > > I noticed my brake pedal getting lower, of late. Each time I went for a > drive I noted it > was a bit softer pedal. Now I'm at the point of saying I'm not driving ther > car until I > figure it out. Tried to bleed the brakes but kept getting bubbles and the > pedal wasn't > improving. So, I figured I had a leak in the system somewhere. After > investigation, it > appears that when I pump the brake pedal some, I get brake fluid (DOT 5) > coming up > out of the PDWA switch though the *top* of the nylon switch, around the > warning light > wire. Anyone (everyone) ever had this problem before? TRF wants $58.91 for > that little > nylon switch and, if there's a way to fix it without replacing it, I'd sure > like to know.... > > Thanks in advance, for any BTDT advice offered. > > Dave > '74 Six > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/lfm614 at aol.com From auprichard at uprichard.net Thu Jul 14 07:22:10 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:22:10 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Retr0bright update References: <1e70c.36908880.3b36604d@aol.com> <1B0658A4F25F480C8463959CBC1A5F31@DCH6RFC1> <1309092665.99744.YahooMailNeo@web36102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So I ordered hydrogen peroxide, glycerine, gum and Oxyclean, as well as a blender as my wife wasn't to keen on me using hers. I followed the instructions and came up with a sticky goo which was almost impossible to get off my hands, the bench and everything else it came into contact with. Turns out I made enough to coat a car, so next time I'll rachet down the quantities. I smeared the goo over the washer and radiator overflow bottles and set them in the sun for 2 days as instructed. Once it dried, washing it off was fairly simple. It's hard to say, but I think both are less yellow than previously. The instructions have a "rinse and repeat" suggestions, so I'm going to give it a second shot when I get some more supplies. I realize I cannot attach pictures to these emails, but if anyone wants before and afters, I'll be glad to send them along after the second application. Then you can decide if it's worth it. Andrew Uprichard _____ From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 11:37 AM To: 'Dale'; 'triumphs at autox.team.net'; '6pack at autox.team.net' Subject: RE: [6pack] question Thanks to all who replied. I had tried vinegar and bleach, as well as those effervescent tablets used to clean dentures (they work a charm for glass decanter bottles) - all to no avail. Randall had suggested Retr0bright and sent a link - I'll give it a try and get back to y'all. Andrew Uprichard _____ From: Dale [mailto:tpdwinch at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:51 AM To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] question Andrew There was a suggestion in the past to fill the bottle in a container, for inside snd outside of the bottle, with a light mixture of vinegarand let it sit for a few days. Dale From: Andrew Uprichard To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:23 AM Subject: [6pack] question Do any of you brainiacs have any suggestions on how to clean up a very yellow-looking washer bottle for my TR250 - that is, if it is even possible? Not a big deal, but if there were a way to do it, I'd be interested. Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tpdwinch at yahoo.com From daybell7 at aol.com Thu Jul 14 15:22:37 2011 From: daybell7 at aol.com (daybell7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Hard Starting New SU6 Carbs Message-ID: <8CE10834A02EB2E-CB0-27062@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> TR6'ers, My car needs full choke to start and must run for 5 minutes or so before I can close the choke. It starts when I stop cranking the starter. I have new SU6 Carbs that were pre-adjusted when I received them. The outside temperature doesn't seem to affect the process. My other cars start easier using the choke, but I can close the choke almost immediately. How can I start my car without the choke or similar to my other cars. Thanks in advance. Steve Hughes Gainesville, FL 68 BGT 72 MGB 59 Morris Minor 73 TR6 From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 16:24:10 2011 From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Retr0bright update Message-ID: <1310682250.56880.YahooMailRC@web161217.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Did I miss something here? Moss lists the overflow bottle for $12.95!! Buying a new one seems a lot easier than the exercise you have been through. Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR 6 From tr6 at lbcs.ca Thu Jul 14 17:33:29 2011 From: tr6 at lbcs.ca (Dave More) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:33:29 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Hard Starting New SU6 Carbs In-Reply-To: <8CE10834A02EB2E-CB0-27062@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE10834A02EB2E-CB0-27062@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E1F7CC9.1010001@lbcs.ca> FWIW I experience the same condition on my SU conversion. I've just become used to it as once things are warmed up with the choke in the mixture is perfect. Cheers, Dave More 76 TR6 CF58310 On 14/07/2011 3:22 PM, daybell7 at aol.com wrote: > TR6'ers, > > My car needs full choke to start and must run for 5 minutes or so before I can > close the choke. It starts when I stop cranking the starter. I have new SU6 > Carbs that were pre-adjusted when I received them. The outside temperature > doesn't seem to affect the process. > > My other cars start easier using the choke, but I can close the choke almost > immediately. > > How can I start my car without the choke or similar to my other cars. > > Thanks in advance. > > Steve Hughes > Gainesville, FL > 68 BGT > 72 MGB > 59 Morris Minor > 73 TR6 > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tr6 at lbcs.ca > > -- Cheers, Dave From djfidler at rogers.com Thu Jul 14 17:55:47 2011 From: djfidler at rogers.com (David Fidler) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:55:47 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Hard Starting New SU6 Carbs In-Reply-To: <8CE10834A02EB2E-CB0-27062@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE10834A02EB2E-CB0-27062@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Steve, The choke is there for a reason, to add gas when you start the car and for a while afterwards, while the engine warms up. Trying to hurry this process is counterproductive. 5 mins on choke is about right (longer if it's a cold day). If your other cars require less choke, they're probably running too rich. Best regards, David (Fid). Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 5:22 PM, daybell7 at aol.com wrote: > TR6'ers, > > My car needs full choke to start and must run for 5 minutes or so before I can > close the choke. It starts when I stop cranking the starter. I have new SU6 > Carbs that were pre-adjusted when I received them. The outside temperature > doesn't seem to affect the process. > > My other cars start easier using the choke, but I can close the choke almost > immediately. > > How can I start my car without the choke or similar to my other cars. > > Thanks in advance. > > Steve Hughes > Gainesville, FL > 68 BGT > 72 MGB > 59 Morris Minor > 73 TR6 > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/djfidler at rogers.com From rivers2hills at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 19:04:05 2011 From: rivers2hills at yahoo.com (John Summers) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] ?? Message-ID: <1310691845.36078.YahooMailClassic@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Where is everybody? Like me, can't afford a battery and insurance,,,, From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Jul 14 19:40:20 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:40:20 -0500 Subject: [6pack] ?? In-Reply-To: <1310691845.36078.YahooMailClassic@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310691845.36078.YahooMailClassic@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:04 PM, John Summers wrote: > Where is everybody? Like me, can't afford a battery and insurance,,,, > Mostly on the 6-Pack Forum I suspect. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Jul 14 20:19:44 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:19:44 -0400 Subject: [6pack] ?? In-Reply-To: References: <1310691845.36078.YahooMailClassic@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5424F7620B064E588CD706C25B23C0CC@BobPC> Hate to say it but................. the TR6 gang is in the www.6-pack.com forum. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Irv Korey Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:40 PM To: John Summers Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:04 PM, John Summers wrote: > Where is everybody? Like me, can't afford a battery and insurance,,,, > Mostly on the 6-Pack Forum I suspect. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From jimjcmo at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 21:21:41 2011 From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] signing off.... Message-ID: <1310700101.70694.YahooMailClassic@web160718.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Friends: It has been eight years since I bought my 72 Emerald car, 2003. And eight years that I've been a very small part of this forum. It's been a great ride and you all are among the most generous friends I've never met. I listed my car for sale on Hemmings.com five days ago. It sold three days later, which astonished me. Dumb luck, I guess. Life has gotten very crazy in the past year. My sister has non-curable cancer, my wife was diagnosed with aggressive cancer in March, and my father passed away last month. It is time to simplify my life. I sign off from this list with a bit of the email I sent to the new owner of my car. I think it probably applies to a lot of you all out there. I encourage you to drive the car as much as you can before you make any changes on it. Learn the car. It will talk to you, if you listen to it. Unlike modern cars, you can feel the car; the lifters ticking, the piston slap, the carb sucking air into the motor's lungs, the clutch engagement sighing noise. The manual choke requires a only a deft touch. Everything you see is what it appears to be - metal, plastic, wood, rubber. Nothing is representational, no secrets, no deceptions. I suppose this sounds somewhat Zen-like but these old cars communicate in ways that modern stuff that is oh-so-refined and filtered cannot. If you infer that I am passionate about the car that will soon no longer be mine, you are correct. During its rebirth I bumped my head on it uncountable times. I screamed at it. I cried over it. I bled upon it. People probably snickered skeptically at me as I labored hours into the night. It will always carry a bit of me until it is junked. It's not like birthing a child, but once you go through that process working mostly alone, there is a connection created that endures beyond the completion of the work. I wish you all well. Keep the lights burning brightly in Lucas Land! Jim Jones Jefferson City, MO From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jul 14 21:36:06 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:36:06 -0600 Subject: [6pack] ?? In-Reply-To: <5424F7620B064E588CD706C25B23C0CC@BobPC> References: <1310691845.36078.YahooMailClassic@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5424F7620B064E588CD706C25B23C0CC@BobPC> Message-ID: <86133ADB-6F48-4B65-AD62-B6D051DF1AD7@comcast.net> Guess I'm out of the gang then. Dang. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote: > Hate to say it but................. the TR6 gang is in the www.6-pack.com > forum. > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > 1975 TR6 with: > Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed > Nissan Diff & CVJs > > -----Original Message----- From: Irv Korey > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:40 PM > To: John Summers > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:04 PM, John Summers > wrote: > >> Where is everybody? Like me, can't afford a battery and >> insurance,,,, >> > > > Mostly on the 6-Pack Forum I suspect. > > Irv Korey > 74 TR6 CF22767U > Highland Park, IL > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi at comcast.net From auprichard at uprichard.net Fri Jul 15 05:35:21 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:35:21 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Retr0bright update In-Reply-To: <1310682250.56880.YahooMailRC@web161217.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310682250.56880.YahooMailRC@web161217.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am probably the last person to insist on originality. For this car, I have written an article for VTR detailing all the modifications. Everything from a frame strengthening kit, shock tower conversion and sealed ball bearing trailing arm conversion to +60 forged pistons and steel billet connecting rods, cam bearings and a fast road cam. But every now and then one sees a piece and wonders, "can I clean this up and use it again?" So it was with the bottles, and the experiment with Retr0bright. I was going to say "call me crazy" until I realized that it (being crazy)is a prerequisite to owning these cars and subscribing to this list......... Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael lunsford Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:24 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Retr0bright update Did I miss something here? Moss lists the overflow bottle for $12.95!! Buying a new one seems a lot easier than the exercise you have been through. Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR 6 ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/auprichard at uprichard.net From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Fri Jul 15 06:15:16 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:15:16 -0400 Subject: [6pack] ?? In-Reply-To: <86133ADB-6F48-4B65-AD62-B6D051DF1AD7@comcast.net> References: <1310691845.36078.YahooMailClassic@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5424F7620B064E588CD706C25B23C0CC@BobPC> <86133ADB-6F48-4B65-AD62-B6D051DF1AD7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3B646B1046364EC2A4813676388EF3B8@BobPC> Awwww Bud......... but your cruise control is alive and well in the Forum ;-) It was quite an attention getter. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:36 PM To: Bob Danielson Cc: Irv Korey ; John Summers ; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? Guess I'm out of the gang then. Dang. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote: > Hate to say it but................. the TR6 gang is in the www.6-pack.com > forum. > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > 1975 TR6 with: > Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed > Nissan Diff & CVJs > > -----Original Message----- From: Irv Korey > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:40 PM > To: John Summers > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:04 PM, John Summers > wrote: > >> Where is everybody? Like me, can't afford a battery and insurance,,,, >> > > > Mostly on the 6-Pack Forum I suspect. > > Irv Korey > 74 TR6 CF22767U > Highland Park, IL > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi at comcast.net From forzion7 at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 06:23:56 2011 From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:23:56 -0400 Subject: [6pack] signing off.... In-Reply-To: <1310700101.70694.YahooMailClassic@web160718.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310700101.70694.YahooMailClassic@web160718.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow, quite a piece of writing, Jim. Sounds like more than just a few moments of wisdom and reflection contained within its "confines." Our hearts go out to you and to all your loved ones. Our prayers go out for you to find Strength in the days ahead... Dave '74 Six On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Jim Jones wrote: > Friends: > > It has been eight years since I bought my 72 Emerald car, 2003. And eight > years that I've been a very small part of this forum. It's been a great > ride > and you all are among the most generous friends I've never met. I listed my > car for sale on Hemmings.com five days ago. It sold three days later, which > astonished me. Dumb luck, I guess. Life has gotten very crazy in the past > year. My sister has non-curable cancer, my wife was diagnosed with > aggressive > cancer in March, and my father passed away last month. It is time to > simplify > my life. > > I sign off from this list with a bit of the email I sent to the new owner > of > my car. I think it probably applies to a lot of you all out there. > > I encourage you to drive the car as much as you can before you make any > changes on it. Learn the car. It will talk to you, if you listen to it. > Unlike > modern cars, you can feel the car; the lifters ticking, the piston slap, > the > carb sucking air into the motor's lungs, the clutch engagement > sighing noise. The manual choke requires a only a deft touch. Everything > you > see is what it appears to be - metal, plastic, wood, rubber. Nothing is > representational, no secrets, no deceptions. I suppose this sounds somewhat > Zen-like but these old cars communicate in ways that modern stuff that > is oh-so-refined and filtered cannot. > > If you infer that I am passionate about the car that will soon no longer be > mine, you are correct. During its rebirth I bumped my head on it > uncountable > times. I screamed at it. I cried over it. I bled upon it. People probably > snickered skeptically at me as I labored hours into the night. It will > always > carry a bit of me until it is junked. It's not like birthing a child, but > once > you go through that process working mostly alone, there is a connection > created that endures beyond the completion of the work. > > I wish you all well. Keep the lights burning brightly in Lucas Land! > > Jim Jones > Jefferson City, MO > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/forzion7 at gmail.com From auprichard at uprichard.net Fri Jul 15 06:58:06 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:58:06 -0400 Subject: [6pack] [TR] Retr0bright update In-Reply-To: <4E203293.9090608@gmail.com> References: <1310682250.56880.YahooMailRC@web161217.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E203293.9090608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <95651424BF5947709B5C496A4EDBE6C2@DCH6RFC1> I hate to pull the doctor card, but there is a condition known as folie ` plusieurs (madness shared by many), but perhaps we'll leave it at that....... Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:29 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Retr0bright update On 7/15/11 4:35 AM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > I was going to say "call me crazy" until I realized that it (being crazy)is > a prerequisite to owning these cars and subscribing to this list......... > > I'm a firm believer in the concept "Reality is what you make of it." and sanity is defined by a consensus of a sample group. If you confine your sample group to subscribers of this list then you would be crazy not to own a TR. Ergo, I am perfectly sane. Teriann triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Jul 15 11:17:17 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:17:17 -0600 Subject: [6pack] ?? In-Reply-To: <3B646B1046364EC2A4813676388EF3B8@BobPC> References: <1310691845.36078.YahooMailClassic@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5424F7620B064E588CD706C25B23C0CC@BobPC> <86133ADB-6F48-4B65-AD62-B6D051DF1AD7@comcast.net> <3B646B1046364EC2A4813676388EF3B8@BobPC> Message-ID: <2DA78D73-2693-4776-81AC-7DA33A0C7896@comcast.net> Bob, I have nothing against the 6pack forum but maybe I should at least explain my thinking. Here's my take. I find forums set up like the 6-pack forum to be cold. I've tried other forums like that such as the Ford truck forum, and a RC plane forum and they all seem less personal than the email lists. I guess its just my personal reaction to all the categories and sections. I have no idea what category to be in or what to read or what to sign up for. And I don't want to sign up for them all. I know attachments and pictures are supposed to be an advantage on the forum but there's so many ways to convey info on the internet that isn't a huge plus for me. I obviously don't get it...what the big attraction is. I can understand organized, engineer type thinking people liking the forum but that doesn't describe me. I'm more of a Triumph generalist I guess and like to read about cars other than just the 6 bangers. My experience is that certain things on the 6-pack forum aren't available to a guest and I can't seem to satisfy the registration requirements. It's a major pain to try over and over again only to have to retype everything every time so I just gave up. Enough people are still on the 6pack and general Triumph email list that I always get questions answered so I guess I'll muddle along. At least I have an idea of who I'm talking to on the list...whereas I don't recognize anyone on the 6-pack forum but I know that's a function of having been on the list for 14 years. Its just easier knowing who the ramblers/chatters are and who the tech/knowhow people are and I've developed my internal calibration over the years to pick and choose which to read and I'll do both depending on time available and mood. I'm comfortable stuck in my rut I guess. Glad to hear the cruise control info was useful to some. I take solace knowing that anything of value from the forum will show up on the list from the folks that do both, like you. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 15, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Bob Danielson wrote: > Awwww Bud......... but your cruise control is alive and well in the > Forum ;-) It was quite an attention getter. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:36 PM > To: Bob Danielson > Cc: Irv Korey ; John Summers ; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? > > Guess I'm out of the gang then. Dang. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote: > >> Hate to say it but................. the TR6 gang is in the www.6-pack.com >> forum. >> >> >> Bob Danielson >> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org >> 1975 TR6 with: >> Throttle Body Injection >> Toyota 5 Speed >> Nissan Diff & CVJs >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Irv Korey >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:40 PM >> To: John Summers >> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? >> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:04 PM, John Summers >> wrote: >> >>> Where is everybody? Like me, can't afford a battery and >>> insurance,,,, >>> >> >> >> Mostly on the 6-Pack Forum I suspect. >> >> Irv Korey >> 74 TR6 CF22767U >> Highland Park, IL >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi at comcast.net From tr6taylor at webtv.net Fri Jul 15 13:14:37 2011 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:14:37 GMT Subject: [6pack] Hard Starting New SU6 Carbs Message-ID: Steve---The need to use a Choke depends a lot on the temperature of the engine and surrounding temperatures. If you would like to reduce the time the choke is in use, you could just lower the jets on the SU's a couple of flats, or more. This will allow more fuel to pass thru, so the air/fuel mix will be richer. This lowering is easy enough to do, and entirely returnable to where they now are, (if you don't like the results) by counting the number of flats being lowered. It would be good to know that there are no vacuum leaks, that cause a lean mix, more noticeable during warmup. Also, feel the intake manifold pipe, to be sure there's (hot) water flowing thru it as the engine warms up. This aids greatly to the fuel atomization process. There are several ways to check on whether this air/fuel mix is correct. Depending on one's budget and need-to- know, we can use the simple but not always reliable sparkplug color test, ColorTune, or a tailpipe exhaust analysis, or even an air/fuel analyzer with the attendant 02 sensor. Know that enrichening the mix at idle speed, where it's critical, doesn't change the mix all that much at cruising speeds. There's always the possibility that the needles being used in these SU's are too lean to begin with, but that's for another post! Dick From jmerone at rocketmail.com Fri Jul 15 14:56:55 2011 From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] More ? Message-ID: <1310763415.9455.YahooMailNeo@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think you nailed it Bud. The set-up here (which includes lots of cross-talk posting) requires that contributors fully explain in a more narrative form what they're talking about - which in turn makes this list so nice and "warm." Joe Merone CF18928 5-speed >Bud Rolofson said: >I have nothing against the 6pack forum but maybe I should at least >explain my thinking. Here's my take. >I find forums set up like the 6-pack forum to be cold. From Robert.P.Waldrop at USA.dupont.com Fri Jul 15 15:45:36 2011 From: Robert.P.Waldrop at USA.dupont.com (Robert P Waldrop) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:45:36 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Robert P Waldrop/AE/DuPont is on vacation. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 07/15/2011 and will not return until 07/18/2011. I will be intermittantly checking my messages while I am out. Please leave me a voicemail at 919-248-5324 or contact Customer Service at 800-284-3382 ext 5775 for sales assistance or to place an order. You can email customer service at : mcmustomerservice at usa.dupont.com Regards, Robert Waldrop This communication is for use by the intended recipient and contains information that may be Privileged, confidential or copyrighted under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby formally notified that any use, copying or distribution of this e-mail, in whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail from your system. Unless explicitly and conspicuously designated as "E-Contract Intended", this e-mail does not constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment, or an acceptance of a contract offer. This e-mail does not constitute a consent to the use of sender's contact information for direct marketing purposes or for transfers of data to third parties. Francais Deutsch Italiano Espanol Portugues Japanese Chinese Korean http://www.DuPont.com/corp/email_disclaimer.html From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu Fri Jul 15 16:50:54 2011 From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:50:54 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Hard Starting New SU6 Carbs Message-ID: <0D5BA8AE8E5942448F2C84EF34995F2F4114392411@EXCH2.nws.oregonstate.edu> Steve, If your TR isn't starting until you release the key, it sounds like you may have a wire in the wrong place on your ignition switch. Mine did this until I picked up a copy of Dan Master's book and traced my wiring connections. As soon as I corrected my connections, the car started as normal. Mike Corvallis, OR From forzion7 at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 18:43:41 2011 From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:43:41 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Them's the brakes.... Message-ID: Hey List; I have been trying to bleed my brakes after rebuilding the PDWA but can't seem to get rid of the air bubbles in the brake lines. I'm using DOT5 and SpeedBleeders but, at this rate, this could get expensive! I've checked for air/fluid leaks elsewhere in the lines but have found nothing suspicious. No drips under the booster, either. Perhaps there's just a LOT of air in the lines.... Suggestions for where else to check?? Thanks, guys! Dave Friedlander '74 Six/A-OD + TBI From trsix74 at comcast.net Sun Jul 17 15:29:56 2011 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 17:29:56 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. Message-ID: Issue: One side flashes faster than the other. I have checked all the bulbs. Checked all the grounds. Cleaned all the bulb holders and connectors. Is it the flasher unit itself? At this point I am baffled. Any help would be appreciated. Robert L. Gannon http://home.comcast.net/~trsix74/site/?/home/ From djfidler at rogers.com Sun Jul 17 16:34:41 2011 From: djfidler at rogers.com (David Fidler) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:34:41 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert, First of all check the wattage of all the bulbs and make sure they are they same. Second, check that you are using the proper turn signal flasher unit and NOT a 4-way flasher unit. The latter will work, but you'll never know if a bulb has gone, as they are plumbed differently inside. With the proper unit, the turn signal will stop flashing and stay on when a bulb fails. Best regards, David. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2011, at 5:29 PM, "Robert Liam Gannon" wrote: > Issue: One side flashes faster than the other. I have checked all the bulbs. > Checked all the grounds. Cleaned all the bulb holders and connectors. Is it > the flasher unit itself? At this point I am baffled. Any help would be > appreciated. > > > > Robert L. Gannon > > http://home.comcast.net/~trsix74/site/?/home/ > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/djfidler at rogers.com From tpdwinch at yahoo.com Sun Jul 17 17:03:58 2011 From: tpdwinch at yahoo.com (Dale) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1310943838.61819.YahooMailNeo@web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert Sounds like a bad ground on the slow side. Dale From: Robert Liam Gannon To: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. Issue: One side flashes faster than the other. I have checked all the bulbs. Checked all the grounds. Cleaned all the bulb holders and connectors. Is it the flasher unit itself? At this point I am baffled. Any help would be appreciated. Robert L. Gannon http://home.comcast.net/~trsix74/site/?/home/ ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tpdwinch at yahoo.com From tr6taylor at webtv.net Sun Jul 17 18:44:35 2011 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 00:44:35 GMT Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. Message-ID: Robert---There is more (or is it less?) resistance on the side that is flashing slower. Not always easy to find where this is happening. I went thru this exercise some time ago and accidently found replacement bulbs that flashed twice as fast (66 times/min.) I cheated here and just put the faster bulb on the side that was once too slow, for my liking. Now they flashed both at the same rate. I reported this to the Sixpack Editor back then, and he ran a story on "Those blankety-blank blinkers", or something like that. In the story I mentioned the brand & part no. of the bulb used, if you care to look it up? Meanwhile, try switching these two bulbs you now use from right to left, to see what happens!_I don't think it's the flasher itself. Somewhere along the way, something else changed in my TR, as now both (new) bulbs flash at the same rate, still at over 60 per by my watch. Ignition key on, motor not running, no other load on the battery. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Robert Liam Gannon Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:29 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. Issue: One side flashes faster than the other. I have checked all the bulbs. Checked all the grounds. Cleaned all the bulb holders and connectors. Is it the flasher unit itself? At this point I am baffled. Any help would be appreciated. Robert L. Gannon http://home.comcast.net/~trsix74/site/?/home/ ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tr6taylor at webtv.net From trsix74 at comcast.net Sun Jul 17 19:04:11 2011 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 21:04:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Issue: One side flashes faster than the other. Dick again has the answer for me. I checked the bulbs again. Guess what? One bulb was made elsewhere in the world, three were identical US made. Removed the simulated brass base unit and replaced with a new US made one and everything works at the same speed. Thanks all for your replies. All is well again. I can now blinkety blink in a slow English rhythm and I say blankety blank to the producers of that simulated brass bulb. From bratt at sasktel.net Sun Jul 17 19:21:53 2011 From: bratt at sasktel.net (ed) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:21:53 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. References: Message-ID: <001801cc44e9$14740bc0$6401a8c0@CHALKIESCOMPUTER> Robert: >From my experience I would suggest you check the fine print on the bulbs. If the wattage of the bulbs differs the flash time will differ. Even different brands of bulbs with the same wattage rating may have different resistance which can affect the flash rate. Ed Bratt Regina, Saskatchewan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Liam Gannon" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 3:29 PM Subject: [6pack] Indicator Issue. > Issue: One side flashes faster than the other. I have checked all the > bulbs. > Checked all the grounds. Cleaned all the bulb holders and connectors. Is > it > the flasher unit itself? At this point I am baffled. Any help would be > appreciated. > > > > Robert L. Gannon > > http://home.comcast.net/~trsix74/site/?/home/ > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bratt at sasktel.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3770 - Release Date: 07/17/11 06:41:00 From davgil at aol.com Mon Jul 18 07:08:41 2011 From: davgil at aol.com (davgil at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:08:41 -0400 Subject: [6pack] radiator contamination Message-ID: <8CE1362F3552E20-2350-29EE@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> To the more well informed. Yesterday was a beautiful weekend in North Georgia and I had the opportunity for a nice drive with my 1976 TR6. Great day until I heard that unusual sound from up front and then smelled the unmistakeable odor of an overheated fan belt. As I looked for a place to pull off the road, I watched the termperature climb to the top of my gauge. Upon parking at a safe location I popped the bonnet and watched the coolant continue to boil into the overflow bottle. Fortunately replacement of the broken belt (great reason to have a spare on hand) and a half gallon of water into the cooled down radiator did the trick. The problem was that when I was able to remove the radiator cap, I found several pieces of what appeared to be blue form-a-gasket material at the filler neck. My car always runs pretty cool and I have not had any overheating issues. I don't believe that it got hot enough to damage the head. Other than draining and flushing the coolant system, should I worry about checking anything else? I probably ran it another 30 minutes after the repair and no signs of any problem whatsoever, or any leaking around the head or water pump. Your advice is welcomed. Regards David Gill 1976 TR6 From trsix74 at comcast.net Mon Jul 18 11:02:42 2011 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (trsix74 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [6pack] radiator contamination In-Reply-To: <8CE1362F3552E20-2350-29EE@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <568719025.811125.1311008562240.JavaMail.root@sz0068a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Could be excess sealer used on the waterpump gasket. I would continue to enjoy and just keep an eye on the temp gauge and water level. From tr6taylor at webtv.net Mon Jul 18 12:49:31 2011 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:49:31 GMT Subject: [6pack] radiator contamination Message-ID: David---I'm wondering what caused the "overheated fan belt"? If the belt smoked because one of the accessories was dragging, then this could happen again with the new belt. It would be easy enough to slacken the belt and try turning both the waterpump and the alternator, by hand. If both feel smooth enough thru several revolutions, then things here should be OK. Be sure to use the right (1/2 inch) wide belt, that should match all the pulleys. Dick -----Original Message----- From: davgil at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:08 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] radiator contamination To the more well informed. Yesterday was a beautiful weekend in North Georgia and I had the opportunity for a nice drive with my 1976 TR6. Great day until I heard that unusual sound from up front and then smelled the unmistakeable odor of an overheated fan belt. As I looked for a place to pull off the road, I watched the termperature climb to the top of my gauge. Upon parking at a safe location I popped the bonnet and watched the coolant continue to boil into the overflow bottle. Fortunately replacement of the broken belt (great reason to have a spare on hand) and a half gallon of water into the cooled down radiator did the trick. The problem was that when I was able to remove the radiator cap, I found several pieces of what appeared to be blue form-a-gasket material at the filler neck. My car always runs pretty cool and I have not had any overheating issues. I don't believe that it got hot enough to damage the head. Other than draining and flushing the coolant system, should I worry about checking anything else? I probably ran it another 30 minutes after the repair and no signs of any problem whatsoever, or any leaking around the head or water pump. Your advice is welcomed. Regards David Gill 1976 TR6 ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tr6taylor at webtv.net From wcwellbaum at cox.net Mon Jul 18 18:49:24 2011 From: wcwellbaum at cox.net (Bill Wellbaum) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:49:24 -0700 Subject: [6pack] TR Gearboxes Message-ID: A friend with a '59 TR-3 encountered a loud bang (he said it resembled a large backfire) and the whole car shook while accelerating in 2nd gear. Now, when in second, he has loud clicking and growling sounds and when going round a corner the gear lever rocks back and forth and the growling is worse. He said he can get in and out of 2nd gear but the noises keep him from going there. He got home ok and said there was no problem with 1st, 3rd and 4th. He didn't try to engage the o/d unit for fear of causing more damage. 1. Any suggestions on what may have happened, 2. Are the gearbox cases similar for the TR-2-6 series of cars--or are they all dramatically different? Bill Wellbaum Las Vegas From bratt at sasktel.net Mon Jul 18 20:22:06 2011 From: bratt at sasktel.net (ed) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:22:06 -0600 Subject: [6pack] TR Gearboxes References: Message-ID: <005301cc45ba$a863d410$6401a8c0@CHALKIESCOMPUTER> Bill: The big bang when it failed would suggest that a loose piece of metal tried to do an exit between two gears.. It is likely to be a piece from a failed bearing or a tooth breaken loose from a gear. Fortunately the buckeystriumphs gearbox overhaul pages are still around. http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/Gearbox/GearboxOverhaul1/GearboxOverhaul1.htm Ed Bratt Regina Saskatchewan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wellbaum" To: "6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: [6pack] TR Gearboxes From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu Mon Jul 18 20:55:31 2011 From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:55:31 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR Gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B0143C41946D9@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> There are a few differences between the TR-3 tranies, and the later TR-4 and on ones. The biggest two are that the later ones have sychros in first, and the countershafts ride on different types of bearings. The counter shafts are the weakest element in these transmissions. The complete units are interchangeable up until they used a different ODs ("A" type versus "J" type.) The mounting lugs were different on the later ones, but with a bit of ingenuity, it is easy to make a good mounting adapter. One of the popular mods for the TR-3s was to get a TR-4 trans and put it in the -3. >From what the you are describing it sounds like he broke a tooth on one of the two 2nd gears (main one and the idler gear) and as the tooth dropped, it whacked and chipped another tooth. The "bang" was likely the tooth letting go. Biggest question: how does the car drive in 1st, 3rd, and 4th? Does the OD still engage? If it makes the kind of noises you describe while in those gears, it may not be the transmission at all, but rather the differential. Sorry for your friend's problems. Cheers. ________________________________________ From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Wellbaum [wcwellbaum at cox.net] Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:49 PM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] TR Gearboxes A friend with a '59 TR-3 encountered a loud bang (he said it resembled a large backfire) and the whole car shook while accelerating in 2nd gear. Now, when in second, he has loud clicking and growling sounds and when going round a corner the gear lever rocks back and forth and the growling is worse. He said he can get in and out of 2nd gear but the noises keep him from going there. He got home ok and said there was no problem with 1st, 3rd and 4th. He didn't try to engage the o/d unit for fear of causing more damage. 1. Any suggestions on what may have happened, 2. Are the gearbox cases similar for the TR-2-6 series of cars--or are they all dramatically different? Bill Wellbaum Las Vegas ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/jar7u at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu From djfidler at rogers.com Tue Jul 19 06:23:25 2011 From: djfidler at rogers.com (David Fidler) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:23:25 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR Gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, When you find out what the problem is, I have a 1960 TR3a gearbox (in pieces), which I cannibalized for an A-Type overdrive, it may have all the parts your friend will need. It is in good shape and was working perfectly before the car it was in got wrecked. Best regards, David. On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:49 PM, "Bill Wellbaum" wrote: > A friend with a '59 TR-3 encountered a loud bang (he said it resembled a large > backfire) and the whole car shook while accelerating in 2nd gear. Now, when > in second, he has loud clicking and growling sounds and when going round a > corner the gear lever rocks back and forth and the growling is worse. He said > he can get in and out of 2nd gear but the noises keep him from going there. > He got home ok and said there was no problem with 1st, 3rd and 4th. He didn't > try to engage the o/d unit for fear of causing more damage. > > 1. Any suggestions on what may have happened, > 2. Are the gearbox cases similar for the TR-2-6 series of cars--or are they > all dramatically different? > > Bill Wellbaum > Las Vegas > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/djfidler at rogers.com From FSZEK at aol.com Wed Jul 20 16:44:28 2011 From: FSZEK at aol.com (FSZEK at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Engine block Message-ID: <29a99.1eb2e856.3b58b44b@aol.com> Hi team- Where are TR6 engine block cracks likely ? I inherited a spare , and want to assess it... Cheers, Frank From DJFidler at rogers.com Fri Jul 15 15:06:40 2011 From: DJFidler at rogers.com (David Fidler) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:06:40 -0400 Subject: [6pack] ?? In-Reply-To: <2DA78D73-2693-4776-81AC-7DA33A0C7896@comcast.net> References: <1310691845.36078.YahooMailClassic@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5424F7620B064E588CD706C25B23C0CC@BobPC> <86133ADB-6F48-4B65-AD62-B6D051DF1AD7@comcast.net> <3B646B1046364EC2A4813676388EF3B8@BobPC> <2DA78D73-2693-4776-81AC-7DA33A0C7896@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00ea01cc4333$18127e40$48377ac0$@com> Hi Bud, David Fidler here, I'm the editor of 6-PACK magazine and an avid 6-PACK forum user. I know you are set in your ways on this and that's fine, but I just wanted to clarify a few things that you seem to have the wrong idea about. When you register on the forums, you can participate in ALL of them, you don't have to just sign up for one. They are categorized to make it simpler to find the topics you're interested in, electrical, mechanical, club news etc. etc. You can chose to follow any thread that interests you and you will receive an e-mail telling your when someone posts to it. It is a VERY friendly place to hang out, there's no coldness and no brinksmanship or anything like that, just people who want to help, or need help... much like the e-mail list you enjoy so much. Joining 6-PACK is really simple, you just click on "shop & join" and follow the links and look for the 1 or 2 year option. The problem you referred to was fixed a long time ago and was only a problem for a short while... Murphy's Law that you chose to try to join at that time! Or, you can just send a cheque for $35 to Ray Suchta, 121 Lexington Drive, Canonsburg, PA 15317 and provide your name, address and e-mail address and tell him you want to join 6-PACK. The member only areas of the website are there to encourage people to join, if we don't have paying members, we can't have a website/forums etc., simple as that. So we would LOVE to have you join the club officially and receive all of the benefits, including a first class magazine and events. Why not give it another try? If you're not 100% happy with your membership, you've only spent $35 and I'm sure we can even look into reimbursing you if it's a really that bad. I'm confident you'll enjoy it and find it great value. I will send you a sample copy of the magazine in a separate e-mail, so I don't clog up this list. Best regards, David (Fid) -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:17 PM To: Bob Danielson Cc: John Summers; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? Bob, I have nothing against the 6pack forum but maybe I should at least explain my thinking. Here's my take. I find forums set up like the 6-pack forum to be cold. I've tried other forums like that such as the Ford truck forum, and a RC plane forum and they all seem less personal than the email lists. I guess its just my personal reaction to all the categories and sections. I have no idea what category to be in or what to read or what to sign up for. And I don't want to sign up for them all. I know attachments and pictures are supposed to be an advantage on the forum but there's so many ways to convey info on the internet that isn't a huge plus for me. I obviously don't get it...what the big attraction is. I can understand organized, engineer type thinking people liking the forum but that doesn't describe me. I'm more of a Triumph generalist I guess and like to read about cars other than just the 6 bangers. My experience is that certain things on the 6-pack forum aren't available to a guest and I can't seem to satisfy the registration requirements. It's a major pain to try over and over again only to have to retype everything every time so I just gave up. Enough people are still on the 6pack and general Triumph email list that I always get questions answered so I guess I'll muddle along. At least I have an idea of who I'm talking to on the list...whereas I don't recognize anyone on the 6-pack forum but I know that's a function of having been on the list for 14 years. Its just easier knowing who the ramblers/chatters are and who the tech/knowhow people are and I've developed my internal calibration over the years to pick and choose which to read and I'll do both depending on time available and mood. I'm comfortable stuck in my rut I guess. Glad to hear the cruise control info was useful to some. I take solace knowing that anything of value from the forum will show up on the list from the folks that do both, like you. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 15, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Bob Danielson wrote: > Awwww Bud......... but your cruise control is alive and well in the > Forum ;-) It was quite an attention getter. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:36 PM > To: Bob Danielson > Cc: Irv Korey ; John Summers ; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? > > Guess I'm out of the gang then. Dang. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote: > >> Hate to say it but................. the TR6 gang is in the www.6-pack.com >> forum. >> >> >> Bob Danielson >> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org >> 1975 TR6 with: >> Throttle Body Injection >> Toyota 5 Speed >> Nissan Diff & CVJs >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Irv Korey >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:40 PM >> To: John Summers >> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [6pack] ?? >> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:04 PM, John Summers >> wrote: >> >>> Where is everybody? Like me, can't afford a battery and >>> insurance,,,, >>> >> >> >> Mostly on the 6-Pack Forum I suspect. >> >> Irv Korey >> 74 TR6 CF22767U >> Highland Park, IL >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi at comcast.net ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/djfidler at rogers.com From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu Thu Jul 21 13:21:59 2011 From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:21:59 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Reconditioned Gauges Not Behaving Message-ID: <0D5BA8AE8E5942448F2C84EF34995F2F41151F55F3@EXCH2.nws.oregonstate.edu> I recently had all my gauges reconditioned by West Valley. Morris does beautiful work and was great to work with. I have problems with two of the gauges (fuel and Amp meter) that I want to run by this group before I call Morris just in case the issue has a simple solution. I did not have these problems before the gauges were reconditioned and re-installed. Fuel Gauge: When the ignition switch is on, the needle goes from empty to just past full and stays there. Once, the needle moved to the correct location based on the amount of gas in the tank but stayed there only a couple of minutes. AMP meter: The needle on the AMP meter sits full to the right in the discharge area when the ignition key is off. When the switch is turned on, the needle moves to the middle of the gauge but rests a little to the discharge side. Last Sunday, I did a long drive (350 miles) with the lights on the entire time and I didn't notice any battery/charging issues. When the lights were turned on the needle would twitch a little, but not move noticeably otherwise. Turn signals had no impact on the needle. Can I assume my problem is in the AMP meter? If it's a problem with the meter, can these be taken apart and fixed, or when they go bad do you just buy another? When I installed the refurbished gauges, I re-attached the wires as they had been and I have double-checked this against my Bentley diagrams a second time. Any thought on what may be happening here? All feedback appreciated. Mike Corvallis, OR From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Jul 21 14:49:51 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:49:51 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Reconditioned Gauges Not Behaving In-Reply-To: <0D5BA8AE8E5942448F2C84EF34995F2F41151F55F3@EXCH2.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <0D5BA8AE8E5942448F2C84EF34995F2F41151F55F3@EXCH2.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <3A4A8269028A43EE8429BCF5C9FD1BFF@BobPC> Hi Michael......... your questions are an excellent reason to buy Dan Masters' Electrical Handbook! Per Dan: If water temp gauge is OK and it's just the fuel gauge follow these steps. Those two gauges are "wired together" via the voltage stabilizer. Fuel Gauge - If it is pegged on high ONLY when the key is on, you have a short to ground somewhere. Go to the fuel sender and remove the wire to the gauge. If the gauge reads zero the fuel sender is faulty. If not, reattach the wire at the fuel sender and go to the gauge and remove the wire from the fuel sender. If it returns to normal, there is a short in the wire from the sender. If it doesn't , the short is in the gauge itself. Ammeter: This gauge is Polarity sensitive. Looking at the back of the gauge with hole for the light at the bottom, the hook ups are: Top right tab = Brown wire, Top Left Tab = Large Brown/White wire and Bottom Left Tab = small Brown/White wire. Hope that helps. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Corbitt, Michael Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:21 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Reconditioned Gauges Not Behaving I recently had all my gauges reconditioned by West Valley. Morris does beautiful work and was great to work with. I have problems with two of the gauges (fuel and Amp meter) that I want to run by this group before I call Morris just in case the issue has a simple solution. I did not have these problems before the gauges were reconditioned and re-installed. Fuel Gauge: When the ignition switch is on, the needle goes from empty to just past full and stays there. Once, the needle moved to the correct location based on the amount of gas in the tank but stayed there only a couple of minutes. AMP meter: The needle on the AMP meter sits full to the right in the discharge area when the ignition key is off. When the switch is turned on, the needle moves to the middle of the gauge but rests a little to the discharge side. Last Sunday, I did a long drive (350 miles) with the lights on the entire time and I didn't notice any battery/charging issues. When the lights were turned on the needle would twitch a little, but not move noticeably otherwise. Turn signals had no impact on the needle. Can I assume my problem is in the AMP meter? If it's a problem with the meter, can these be taken apart and fixed, or when they go bad do you just buy another? When I installed the refurbished gauges, I re-attached the wires as they had been and I have double-checked this against my Bentley diagrams a second time. Any thought on what may be happening here? All feedback appreciated. Mike Corvallis, OR________________________________________ From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 15:31:54 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:31:54 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Radiator and Gas Tank tech session Message-ID: <8E1BB346-3C90-4DE3-9BD8-B70E237C53DD@comcast.net> For those attending VTR2011 in Breckenridge this year you might want to attend one of the Friday tech sessions that will be put on by Carl Spike of Spike Radiators here in Denver. Carl came to a RMTC chapter meeting and gave a talk and we just about didn't let him go home because we had so many questions. Fortunately he has lots of answers. He does a lot of vintage radiators and gas tanks and knows everything from the chemistry of anti-freezes and additives (get the scoop on water wetter) that are marketed to the number of rows and fin counts to use. His sessions are 9:30-11:00 and 2:00-3:30 on Friday August 19th. You can park your car for the car show that day and then attend one of Carl's sessions. You will walk away smarter, I can almost guarantee it. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From wcwellbaum at cox.net Fri Jul 22 08:33:07 2011 From: wcwellbaum at cox.net (Bill Wellbaum) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:33:07 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Fw: TR3 Transmission Message-ID: Any comments on the question below. We need some expert advice. Bill Wellbaum British Auto Club of Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Payne To: Bill Wellbaum ; Bill Wellbaum ; billwellbaum at lvcfs.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: TR3 Transmission Bill, To bend your ear a bit Here's what my thought was, but I don't think it will work. I have a fully rebuilt TR4 transmission sitting on the floor of my garage. - non overdrive. It is fully synchronized and works beautifully. I have a broken 1959 overdrive TR3 transmission in the car. In a perfect world, I'd remove the broken unit, separate the OD, remove the tailpiece from the good gearbox, bolt the OD to it and reinstall - about 6 hours worth of work and back in business. As near as I can tell the OD units for all TR3/4s were "Type A" and identical. Unfortunately, it would appear that the mainshaft for OD transmissions were not the same as OD transmissions on TR3 transmissions. I have no idea whether or not this was the case for the fully synchronized TR4 unit I have. Thus the question to post to the TR Web if you would for me. Can I bolt an OD from a TR3 up to a TR4 non OD transmission? If not, what would be required to do so. My research is telling me that I need to get a longer mainshaft for an OD TR4 and install it in my rebuilt TR4 trans, which is equally as much work as what will likely be required with the existing broken trans. Other minor benefits to my rebuilt trans are: Tilton hydraulic throwout bearing - ready to go. MGB pressure plate for aforementioned bearing TR4 clutch disc - much better than TR3 unit. Question is - can this be done? Then we get to the ethical dilemma - am I buggering up a numbers matching car to gain synchro in 1-2? Jonas Payne Director of Preconstruction Thor Construction PH: (702) 269-2007 Fax: (702) 269-7095 Cell: (702) 358-5084 From DJFidler at rogers.com Fri Jul 22 09:07:25 2011 From: DJFidler at rogers.com (David Fidler) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:07:25 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Fw: TR3 Transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010d01cc4881$1119db30$334d9190$@com> Bill and Jonas, You do need to replace your mainshaft with the OD TR4 version (I think it's actually shorter not longer?), so essentially you're in for another gearbox rebuild. The A-Type OD units are mechanically the same, but they do have different output ratios. On a TR6 it's 22%, you can also get units that are 20 & 24%, you can tell by the first 2 digits in the serial #. Not sure what it should be for a TR3, but my unit came off a TR3 and it's 22%, so it's correct for the TR6. As far as the ethical question, what judge is going to look inside a gearbox? ;-) David. -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Wellbaum Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:33 AM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Fw: TR3 Transmission Any comments on the question below. We need some expert advice. Bill Wellbaum British Auto Club of Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Payne To: Bill Wellbaum ; Bill Wellbaum ; billwellbaum at lvcfs.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: TR3 Transmission Bill, To bend your ear a bit Here's what my thought was, but I don't think it will work. I have a fully rebuilt TR4 transmission sitting on the floor of my garage. - non overdrive. It is fully synchronized and works beautifully. I have a broken 1959 overdrive TR3 transmission in the car. In a perfect world, I'd remove the broken unit, separate the OD, remove the tailpiece from the good gearbox, bolt the OD to it and reinstall - about 6 hours worth of work and back in business. As near as I can tell the OD units for all TR3/4s were "Type A" and identical. Unfortunately, it would appear that the mainshaft for OD transmissions were not the same as OD transmissions on TR3 transmissions. I have no idea whether or not this was the case for the fully synchronized TR4 unit I have. Thus the question to post to the TR Web if you would for me. Can I bolt an OD from a TR3 up to a TR4 non OD transmission? If not, what would be required to do so. My research is telling me that I need to get a longer mainshaft for an OD TR4 and install it in my rebuilt TR4 trans, which is equally as much work as what will likely be required with the existing broken trans. Other minor benefits to my rebuilt trans are: Tilton hydraulic throwout bearing - ready to go. MGB pressure plate for aforementioned bearing TR4 clutch disc - much better than TR3 unit. Question is - can this be done? Then we get to the ethical dilemma - am I buggering up a numbers matching car to gain synchro in 1-2? Jonas Payne Director of Preconstruction Thor Construction PH: (702) 269-2007 Fax: (702) 269-7095 Cell: (702) 358-5084 ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/djfidler at rogers.com From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu Fri Jul 22 10:04:47 2011 From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:04:47 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Fw: TR3 Transmission In-Reply-To: <010d01cc4881$1119db30$334d9190$@com> References: , <010d01cc4881$1119db30$334d9190$@com> Message-ID: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B0143C61FE1B1@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> The difference in the overdrive transmissions was from the "A" type OD to the "J" type. The "J" type required a mainshaft in the trans to have a 12 groove extension pattern while the older ones used a 6 groove extension. The early TR-4 used the older type, same as in the -3. I'm not sure when the change over to the newer style OD occurred. ________________________________________ From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Fidler [DJFidler at rogers.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Bill Wellbaum'; '6pack' Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: TR3 Transmission Bill and Jonas, You do need to replace your mainshaft with the OD TR4 version (I think it's actually shorter not longer?), so essentially you're in for another gearbox rebuild. The A-Type OD units are mechanically the same, but they do have different output ratios. On a TR6 it's 22%, you can also get units that are 20 & 24%, you can tell by the first 2 digits in the serial #. Not sure what it should be for a TR3, but my unit came off a TR3 and it's 22%, so it's correct for the TR6. As far as the ethical question, what judge is going to look inside a gearbox? ;-) David. -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Wellbaum Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:33 AM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Fw: TR3 Transmission Any comments on the question below. We need some expert advice. Bill Wellbaum British Auto Club of Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Payne To: Bill Wellbaum ; Bill Wellbaum ; billwellbaum at lvcfs.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: TR3 Transmission Bill, To bend your ear a bit Here's what my thought was, but I don't think it will work. I have a fully rebuilt TR4 transmission sitting on the floor of my garage. - non overdrive. It is fully synchronized and works beautifully. I have a broken 1959 overdrive TR3 transmission in the car. In a perfect world, I'd remove the broken unit, separate the OD, remove the tailpiece from the good gearbox, bolt the OD to it and reinstall - about 6 hours worth of work and back in business. As near as I can tell the OD units for all TR3/4s were "Type A" and identical. Unfortunately, it would appear that the mainshaft for OD transmissions were not the same as OD transmissions on TR3 transmissions. I have no idea whether or not this was the case for the fully synchronized TR4 unit I have. Thus the question to post to the TR Web if you would for me. Can I bolt an OD from a TR3 up to a TR4 non OD transmission? If not, what would be required to do so. My research is telling me that I need to get a longer mainshaft for an OD TR4 and install it in my rebuilt TR4 trans, which is equally as much work as what will likely be required with the existing broken trans. Other minor benefits to my rebuilt trans are: Tilton hydraulic throwout bearing - ready to go. MGB pressure plate for aforementioned bearing TR4 clutch disc - much better than TR3 unit. Question is - can this be done? Then we get to the ethical dilemma - am I buggering up a numbers matching car to gain synchro in 1-2? Jonas Payne Director of Preconstruction Thor Construction PH: (702) 269-2007 Fax: (702) 269-7095 Cell: (702) 358-5084 ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/djfidler at rogers.com ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/jar7u at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 22 19:10:53 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] PVGP RATCO has two frames there. Message-ID: <8CE16EC8083F763-1948-6DF6@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> PITTSBURG VINTAGE GRAND PRIX this weekend. If you are going to be at PVGP, stop in RATCOs BOOTH and check out the brand new TR6 frames. Tony also has also has his new tube shock coversion kit for the TR4, there. We installed this kit for a race in June with great results. It is a conversion kit that will not tear your frame as it has lateral support with the mounts. Tony Vigliotti will also be a featured speaker at the VTR Convention at Breckenridge in August. Joe A From TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com Sat Jul 23 09:40:49 2011 From: TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com (TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Shock Conversion Message-ID: <2357d.1d28776c.3b5c4581@aol.com> My next project will be rebuilding the rear suspension on my 1971 TR6. I've red that converting to tube shocks can cause tire clearance problems. I have Panasport 16" wheels fitted with 215 R55-16 Kumho tires. I'd be interested in any advise from those with simular setups. Thanks Doug From ms6453 at optonline.net Sat Jul 23 12:18:15 2011 From: ms6453 at optonline.net (Mitch) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:18:15 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Shock Conversion In-Reply-To: <2357d.1d28776c.3b5c4581@aol.com> References: <2357d.1d28776c.3b5c4581@aol.com> Message-ID: <2C63DECB-5084-4ACD-827D-C720E31D459A@optonline.net> I have 15x7" panasports with Yokohama 215-65 , no problem. I would consider making an additional brace to support the bracket. I have the conversion on my car for 10 years without any problem but others have had weld and mount failures. I would probably blame the failures on the inconsistent quality of welds and metallurgy on these cars. I recently made a brace simply because it's cheap insurance. Mitch Seff On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:40 AM, TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com wrote: > My next project will be rebuilding the rear suspension on my 1971 TR6. > I've red that converting to tube shocks can cause tire clearance problems. > I have Panasport 16" wheels fitted with 215 R55-16 Kumho tires. I'd be > interested in any advise from those with simular setups. > Thanks Doug > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/ms6453 at optonline.net > Mitch Seff From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Jul 25 13:42:29 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:42:29 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Shock Conversion In-Reply-To: <2357d.1d28776c.3b5c4581@aol.com> References: <2357d.1d28776c.3b5c4581@aol.com> Message-ID: I run a similar wheel/tire setup. No problems on that front. But make sure your rubber stops on the trailing arms are adjusted so they do their job BEFORE the shock bottoms out. Test the stops once the conversion is completely on by using a jack to raise the trailing arm until the rubber stops compress. If your shocks bottom out before this happens then the brackets may rip from the frame and take a few pieces with it. Ask me how I know. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 23, 2011, at 9:40 AM, TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com wrote: > My next project will be rebuilding the rear suspension on my 1971 > TR6. > I've red that converting to tube shocks can cause tire clearance > problems. > I have Panasport 16" wheels fitted with 215 R55-16 Kumho tires. I'd > be > interested in any advise from those with simular setups. > Thanks Doug > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Jul 26 13:33:55 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:33:55 -0600 Subject: [6pack] VTR2011 Volunteers? Message-ID: List, We seem to have fewer volunteers for helping with VTR this year. The Rocky Mountain Triumph Club has a core team of really hardworking people organizing and working the events but we'd like them to be able to participate in VTR events as well as work the convention. If you're attending would you be interested in helping out for an event for an hour or two? Please email me off line and I'll send you an excel spreadsheet to look at, fill in a spot or two, and send back to me. First to volunteer get the best choices. For those of you attending and/or signed up for the autocross we would like "corner captains" for the work stations on the course. There will be 2-3 people at each work station and you'd be the person with the radio and fire extinguisher, and the point of contact for autocross officials. Let me know if you can help. The RMTC is looking forward to putting on VTR this year in a beautiful area (Breckenridge) and I'm looking forward to seeing all my VTR friends. Thanks to Irv Korey and Mike Bilyk of ISOA who have volunteered to help already. Thanks for any help you can provide. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From johnehorton at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:09:17 2011 From: johnehorton at yahoo.com (johnehorton at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Message-ID: <1311786557.56409.YahooMailMobile@web39306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://securitiesdocket.com/google.php From johnehorton at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:10:31 2011 From: johnehorton at yahoo.com (johnehorton at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Message-ID: <1311786631.85431.YahooMailMobile@web39321.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://02bb06d.netsolhost.com/google.php From johnehorton at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 13:01:52 2011 From: johnehorton at yahoo.com (johnehorton at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Message-ID: <1311793312.49709.YahooMailMobile@web39324.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://bbraffaello.com/google.php From johnehorton at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 13:02:03 2011 From: johnehorton at yahoo.com (johnehorton at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Message-ID: <1311793323.84032.YahooMailMobile@web39322.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://mikehoryn.com/google.php From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jul 28 10:26:47 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:26:47 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TRF Summer Party & FT decals Message-ID: I will be bringing the left over Fred Thomas memorial stickers and decals to the upcoming TRF Summer Party. I will have the Green TR8 there, don't know about the Vintage Race Spitfire. Will probably have the canopy set up near the autox finish line as usual or you can call me on my cell their at 440-225-0209 if you want to purchase one. $1.00 each is the cost. Marty Sukey From brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca Sat Jul 30 11:42:28 2011 From: brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca (Bruce Simms) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] lubrication for tr6 speedo & tach cables Message-ID: <1312047748.10828.YahooMailNeo@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> New speedo and tach cables while replacing dash. I separated inner and outer and sprayed inner cables with "Cable Life" by Protectall. Product is designed for control cables on snowmobiles, motorcycles, watercraft, bikes etc., so it works in harsh environments. Should I use something heavier on TR6 cables, as with luck, I won't be in there again for many years. Manual ssays to use light coating of grease. My tach bounced around in cooler Canadian weather we get in fall. Speedo also bounced. First time I've done anything with cables in 12 years of ownership. Thank you, Bruce Simms From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sat Jul 30 13:11:40 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:11:40 -0400 Subject: [6pack] lubrication for tr6 speedo & tach cables In-Reply-To: <1312047748.10828.YahooMailNeo@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1312047748.10828.YahooMailNeo@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can't help you on the proper lube but even though you have new cables, double check the tip to make sure it's within spec. My new cables were well out of spec. I got the specs from Morris at West Valley Instruments and they're posted toward the bottom of this page http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpeedometerCalibration.htm An out of spec cable can, at best, cause erratic readings and, at worse, damage the gauge internals. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Simms Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:42 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] lubrication for tr6 speedo & tach cables New speedo and tach cables while replacing dash. I separated inner and outer and sprayed inner cables with "Cable Life" by Protectall. Product is designed for control cables on snowmobiles, motorcycles, watercraft, bikes etc., so it works in harsh environments. Should I use something heavier on TR6 cables, as with luck, I won't be in there again for many years. Manual ssays to use light coating of grease. My tach bounced around in cooler Canadian weather we get in fall. Speedo also bounced. First time I've done anything with cables in 12 years of ownership. Thank you, Bruce Simms ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sun Jul 31 15:40:04 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:40:04 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Is this Mail List Request Legit? Message-ID: <78D86A761E0747A1AE851D5F7201E37A@BobPC> I just got 2 emails saying that I had requested to be removed from the 6-Pack Mail List and 1 email about a password reminder. I know Mark sends out a reminder that we're subscribed to the Lists but I've never seen these 2 requests. Seeing as I've made neither request.........are these legit? Message 1 "We have received a request from 173.149.85.43 for the removal of your email address, "75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org" from the 6pack at autox.team.net mailing list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: http://autox.team.net/mailman/confirm/6pack/c29bdf8dd879a87d041b9b0da7e87612383350d2" Message 2 "You, or someone posing as you, has requested a password reminder for your membership on the mailing list 6pack at autox.team.net. You will need this password in order to change your membership options (e.g. do you want regular delivery or digest delivery), and having this password makes it easier for you to unsubscribe from the mailing list." Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs From alanatkinson at hotmail.com Sun Jul 31 16:07:14 2011 From: alanatkinson at hotmail.com (Alan Atkinson) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:07:14 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Is this Mail List Request Legit? In-Reply-To: <78D86A761E0747A1AE851D5F7201E37A@BobPC> References: <78D86A761E0747A1AE851D5F7201E37A@BobPC> Message-ID: Bob, Right click on the link and look at the properties.It's phishing - it's pointing to a microsoft live (hotmail) email address. Ignore it. > From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:40:04 -0400 > Subject: [6pack] Is this Mail List Request Legit? > > I just got 2 emails saying that I had requested to be removed from the > 6-Pack Mail List and 1 email about a password reminder. I know Mark sends > out a reminder that we're subscribed to the Lists but I've never seen these > 2 requests. Seeing as I've made neither request.........are these legit? > > Message 1 > "We have received a request from 173.149.85.43 for the removal of your > email address, "75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org" from the > 6pack at autox.team.net mailing list. To confirm that you want to be > removed from this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping > the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/confirm/6pack/c29bdf8dd879a87d041b9b0da7e876123 83350d2" > > Message 2 > > "You, or someone posing as you, has requested a password reminder for > your membership on the mailing list 6pack at autox.team.net. You will > need this password in order to change your membership options (e.g. do > you want regular delivery or digest delivery), and having this > password makes it easier for you to unsubscribe from the mailing list." > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > 1975 TR6 with: > Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed > Nissan Diff & CVJs > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alanatkinson at hotmail.com