From cm.sherman at verizon.net Sun Mar 1 09:31:00 2009 From: cm.sherman at verizon.net (Corey Sherman) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:31:00 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Triumph in NYTimes... Mercury De Soto The Winner? Message-ID: <74E3B4BD2B5746EFA41A48DFD1F5C6E8@DellXPS720> Well go figure... despite a Call-to-Action to over 5,000 Triumph enthusiasts (VTR, 6-pack and ITTR), apparently furniture maker Steve Heller's custom 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis sedan was voted Car of the Year (1). It was built of parts from 11 donor cars with welded body panels. He received nearly 1,000 of the 6,392 total votes (2). Without sounding cynical, I am surprised considering I so many friends, family and List members claimed to vote, but if we it was to be fair it would have been regulated by someone in the insurance, banking or auto industry (LOL). Seriousily, something funny went on here, but little anybody can do... "the people have voted" - who says they have to have good taste! Anyways, sorry about the rant, and a thank you for those who did support our Marque. Corey Sherman (1) NY Times Article Winner http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/automobiles/collectibles/22MARQUIS.html (2) NYTimes Classics and Conversation Pieces Published: February 20, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/akru65 (3) Read the Autoblog to see reader's comments: http://tinyurl.com/c52opo From jmitch at snet.net Sun Mar 1 11:01:15 2009 From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:01:15 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Triumph in NYTimes... Mercury De Soto The Winner? In-Reply-To: <74E3B4BD2B5746EFA41A48DFD1F5C6E8@DellXPS720> References: <74E3B4BD2B5746EFA41A48DFD1F5C6E8@DellXPS720> Message-ID: <49AACD6B.8090703@snet.net> I'd sell that Italia if it can't beat a DeSoto. I've got a few extra bucks I could give you:) John Mitchell Corey Sherman wrote: > Well go figure... > > despite a Call-to-Action to over 5,000 Triumph enthusiasts (VTR, 6-pack and > ITTR), apparently furniture maker Steve Heller's custom 1998 Mercury Grand > Marquis sedan was voted Car of the Year (1). > > It was built of parts from 11 donor cars with welded body panels. He > received nearly 1,000 of the 6,392 total votes (2). > > Without sounding cynical, I am surprised considering I so many friends, > family and List members claimed to vote, but if we it was to be fair it > would have been regulated by someone in the insurance, banking or auto > industry (LOL). Seriousily, something funny went on here, but little anybody > can do... "the people have voted" - who says they have to have good taste! > > Anyways, sorry about the rant, and a thank you for those who did support our > Marque. > Corey Sherman > > > > (1) NY Times Article Winner > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/automobiles/collectibles/22MARQUIS.html > > > (2) NYTimes Classics and Conversation Pieces Published: February 20, 2009 > http://tinyurl.com/akru65 > > > (3) Read the Autoblog to see reader's comments: > http://tinyurl.com/c52opo > > _______________________________________________ From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sun Mar 1 11:25:44 2009 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:25:44 -0500 Subject: [6pack] 16BP Message-ID: <200903011325.44557.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Just finished putting new SS pistons + new seals in the calipers. All I can say is the 16BP is a nice upgrade from the TR3 and TR4 calipers. Removing the old pistons wasn't too bad. Used my large channel locks and worked the pistons free by rotating and using some Dot 5. Then the all came right out! No colorfull language from the cellar today! Bob From lfm614 at aol.com Sun Mar 1 12:14:33 2009 From: lfm614 at aol.com ( ) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:14:33 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Piston rings Message-ID: <661556809-1235934794-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977183072-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi guys, Putting in new rings and checking o direction of the inner bevel. Should that go up or down? Outside of the rings appear to be square or the same top and bottom. Thanks, Lou 72 TR6 From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu Sun Mar 1 14:41:13 2009 From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:41:13 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Cable Route Message-ID: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C630@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> In finishing up the conversion of my 69 to a J-Type overdrive, I'm ready to connect the speedometer cable. What is the path of the speedometer cable for a J-Type overdrive (I have an angle drive)? Mike Corvallis, OR From Btp44 at aol.com Sun Mar 1 17:51:47 2009 From: Btp44 at aol.com (Btp44 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:51:47 EST Subject: [6pack] Piston rings Message-ID: Lou-I just finished installing new piston rings (Grant), purchased from TRF. The inner bevel of the compression rings goes up and the rings were also marked "top". The oil control rings required care to keep the ends of the expander from overlaping. Berry Price **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From lfm614 at aol.com Sun Mar 1 17:56:54 2009 From: lfm614 at aol.com ( ) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:56:54 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Piston rings Message-ID: <1137802963-1235955335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1895643779-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thanks Berry, Got the bevel and its up but they are not marked top so I was double checking. Got these from TRF too. Did you redo your bearings as well? If so, how hard is it to turn the crank with the new rings and new bearings? Lou ------Original Message------ From: Btp44 at aol.com To: Lfmaol To: TR-6 list Sent: Mar 1, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Piston rings Lou-I just finished installing new piston rings (Grant), purchased from TRF. The inner bevel of the compression rings goes up and the rings were also marked "top". The oil control rings required care to keep the ends of the expander from overlaping. Berry Price ---------------- Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today . From stan.foster at hp.com Sun Mar 1 19:09:12 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:09:12 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Piston rings In-Reply-To: <1137802963-1235955335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1895643779-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1137802963-1235955335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1895643779-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF729427B44840@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Lou, as you tighten the mains and then each big end you should rotate the engine at each stage to make sure that the last action did not cause anything to seize, indicating that something went wrong like a cap on backwards or a bearing with incorrect clearance. You will notice that the crank gets harder to turn with each step but it should still turn easily and freely without binding. You should be able to push it around by hand with some difficulty by grasping the journals but it should rotate freely with a wrench/lever. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:57 PM To: Btp44 at aol.com; TR-6 list Subject: Re: [6pack] Piston rings Thanks Berry, Got the bevel and its up but they are not marked top so I was double checking. Got these from TRF too. Did you redo your bearings as well? If so, how hard is it to turn the crank with the new rings and new bearings? Lou From rpeglow at optonline.net Sun Mar 1 22:59:00 2009 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:59:00 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Triumph in NYTimes... Mercury De Soto The Winner? References: <74E3B4BD2B5746EFA41A48DFD1F5C6E8@DellXPS720> Message-ID: <00de01c99afb$fc9790b0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Sorry, you lost you got my vote. That "Marquis" is gross! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corey Sherman" To: ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: [6pack] Triumph in NYTimes... Mercury De Soto The Winner? > Well go figure... > > despite a Call-to-Action to over 5,000 Triumph enthusiasts (VTR, 6-pack and > ITTR), apparently furniture maker Steve Heller's custom 1998 Mercury Grand > Marquis sedan was voted Car of the Year (1). > > It was built of parts from 11 donor cars with welded body panels. He > received nearly 1,000 of the 6,392 total votes (2). > > Without sounding cynical, I am surprised considering I so many friends, > family and List members claimed to vote, but if we it was to be fair it > would have been regulated by someone in the insurance, banking or auto > industry (LOL). Seriousily, something funny went on here, but little anybody > can do... "the people have voted" - who says they have to have good taste! > > Anyways, sorry about the rant, and a thank you for those who did support our > Marque. > Corey Sherman > > > > (1) NY Times Article Winner > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/automobiles/collectibles/22MARQUIS.html > > > (2) NYTimes Classics and Conversation Pieces Published: February 20, 2009 > http://tinyurl.com/akru65 > > > (3) Read the Autoblog to see reader's comments: > http://tinyurl.com/c52opo > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rpeglow at optonline.net > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11860 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11860 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From sakirsis at consolidated.net Mon Mar 2 07:49:40 2009 From: sakirsis at consolidated.net (Steve Kirsis) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:49:40 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Bulb holders In-Reply-To: <49265.98.200.63.37.1235869018.squirrel@www.automate-it.com> References: <06C0E950E7C2418B9FA6C6C692CDAC70@stevekirsisPC> <49265.98.200.63.37.1235869018.squirrel@www.automate-it.com> Message-ID: <8CBCDFEC1E1C4D02BE1D2CEE4982774C@stevekirsisPC> Lee, It is Rimmer Bros. part #RS2018. I believe this may have been the original set up as I have found 2 unused grounding tabs, 1 on each side of the boot which accomodate the grounds on the bulb holder. Mine is a '75. If yours does not have these you will have to decide how you want them grounded. Then forget about them. Steve Kirsis '70 Damson, '75 Pimento ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Daniels" To: "Steve Kirsis" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Bulb holders > Steve - have these worked out well for you? If you have the part no. I'd > appreciate it. > thanks, > Lee D. > > >> Just received my complete set of rear bulb holders from Rimmer Bros. >> (U.K) and >> am extremely pleased. not only was the price right (34.00 dollars >> including >> shipping) but all six of them have push on connectors for the ground. I >> think >> my problems have been solved. Great quality, great price, better >> illumination. >> Set does not include side markers. > Steve Kirsis '70 Damson, '75 Pimento. If >> anyone wants the part # I will look it up again and pass it on. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 08:13:34 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:13:34 -0600 Subject: [6pack] [TR] no fire in the hole-'71 tr6 References: <576274.50605.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c99b49$ad488a20$6f03a8c0@ranteer.local> i just scanned in the installation and trouble shooting pages that came with my pertronix for a list member. if anyone else would like a copy please contact me offline and i'll forward you a copy as well. From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Mar 2 08:15:36 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:15:36 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Cable Route In-Reply-To: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C630@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C630@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573E05EE49@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Mike: The angle drive points forward. Connect the cable and route in the right side of the tranny until you get to the bell housing, then cross over the top of the tranny where the bell housing meets the transmission. Then forward past the firewall, and then up, back and over to the speedo hole in the firewall. Voila! Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Corbitt, Michael Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:41 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Cable Route In finishing up the conversion of my 69 to a J-Type overdrive, I'm ready to connect the speedometer cable. What is the path of the speedometer cable for a J-Type overdrive (I have an angle drive)? Mike Corvallis, OR _______________________________________________ From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu Mon Mar 2 08:36:16 2009 From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:36:16 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Cable Route In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573E05EE49@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C630@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573E05EE49@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170E75@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Vance, Coming from the speedometer, the cable goes through a grommet in the firewall then drops down through another grommet in the body on the left side of the battery. When you came forward of the firewall with your cable, did you follow this path, or did you bypass the grommet in the body and just go up and directly through the firewall to the speedometer? Last night, with the angle drive pointed down, I ran mine under the OD and then followed the original path of the four speed set up - basically because the cable was already there and I wanted to see how it looked. It fits okay and doesn't hang down, but the additional exposure to road debris makes me wonder if the cable is going to take a beating. As always, thanks for the input. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Navarrette, Vance [mailto:vance.navarrette at intel.com] Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:16 AM To: Corbitt, Michael; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: RE: Speedometer Cable Route Mike: The angle drive points forward. Connect the cable and route in the right side of the tranny until you get to the bell housing, then cross over the top of the tranny where the bell housing meets the transmission. Then forward past the firewall, and then up, back and over to the speedo hole in the firewall. Voila! Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Corbitt, Michael Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:41 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Cable Route In finishing up the conversion of my 69 to a J-Type overdrive, I'm ready to connect the speedometer cable. What is the path of the speedometer cable for a J-Type overdrive (I have an angle drive)? Mike Corvallis, OR _______________________________________________ From stan.foster at hp.com Mon Mar 2 08:46:17 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:46:17 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Cable Route In-Reply-To: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170E75@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C630@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573E05EE49@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170E75@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF729427B4493B@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Here's a picture of how mine is routed in the engine bay, taken before the engine and engine bay overhaul. http://tinyurl.com/bopmb5 Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Corbitt, Michael Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:36 AM To: Navarrette, Vance; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Speedometer Cable Route Vance, Coming from the speedometer, the cable goes through a grommet in the firewall then drops down through another grommet in the body on the left side of the battery. When you came forward of the firewall with your cable, did you follow this path, or did you bypass the grommet in the body and just go up and directly through the firewall to the speedometer? Last night, with the angle drive pointed down, I ran mine under the OD and then followed the original path of the four speed set up - basically because the cable was already there and I wanted to see how it looked. It fits okay and doesn't hang down, but the additional exposure to road debris makes me wonder if the cable is going to take a beating. As always, thanks for the input. Mike From sakirsis at consolidated.net Mon Mar 2 09:33:01 2009 From: sakirsis at consolidated.net (Steve Kirsis) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:33:01 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Length Message-ID: This subject could not be more timely for me. Tomorrow my J type OD goes into my '75 6. I still have a functioning EGR counter. Will the cable reach the right angle drive? Hopefully it will. Steve Kirsis From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu Mon Mar 2 12:44:53 2009 From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:44:53 -0800 Subject: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 3, Issue 78 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170E77@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Steve, There was no problem with the speedometer cable reaching the angle drive from underneath. And based on Mike Crane's and Vance's feedback, working up from the right side and over the bell housing works fine too. Mike From cris_tr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 2 13:07:48 2009 From: cris_tr6 at hotmail.com (Cris Hemingway) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:07:48 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Removing Front Spindles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded. I got the buggers apart this morning after letting them soak in penetrating oil all weekend and getting a bigger hammer! I only peened the nuts, and then just cut them off as I am replacing the spindles with uprated ones. I'm in cleanup mode now, waiting for the new parts to arrive. Cris Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Experience all of the new features, and Reconnect with your life. From trsix74 at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 15:42:31 2009 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:42:31 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Triumph in NYTimes... Mercury De Soto The Winner? In-Reply-To: <74E3B4BD2B5746EFA41A48DFD1F5C6E8@DellXPS720> References: <74E3B4BD2B5746EFA41A48DFD1F5C6E8@DellXPS720> Message-ID: <49B7AB215A764FA18CF1419813203F7D@Robert> despite a Call-to-Action to over 5,000 Triumph enthusiasts (VTR, 6-pack and ITTR), apparently furniture maker Steve Heller's custom 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis sedan was voted Car of the Year (1). IMHO: I bet if you bought an ad or had some history with the paper you would have fared better. I have first hand knowledge on how that works. The stupid newspaper ad sales person for a company I worked for sent the faxed to the wrong recipient and let the cat out of the bag. The newspaper had to make good and retract the award. Needles to say each time the Newspaper puts on the competition, newer and non advertising businesses are winning. From DLylis at aol.com Mon Mar 2 16:51:25 2009 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:51:25 EST Subject: [6pack] Triumph in NYTimes... Mercury De Soto The Winner? Message-ID: I watched the slide show and IMHO this guy deserves to win something! If you haven't, watch it. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) From stan.foster at hp.com Mon Mar 2 19:36:14 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:36:14 +0000 Subject: [6pack] PWDA question Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF729428635BBB@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> This winter I rebuilt my front suspension and calipers so the front brake system was drained. It is all back together now and I was noticing some odd behavior when trying to bleed the front brakes. I recalled some traffic in the past about needing to re-center the shuttle in the PWDA so thinking that may be a factor I removed the plastic switch part expecting to see a moveable component beneath but what I see is a small hole that the brass prong on the bottom of the plastic part fits into and no obvious part that could be moved. What am I missing ? Stan. From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu Mon Mar 2 20:04:58 2009 From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:04:58 -0800 Subject: [6pack] OD Wires and Plastic Tunnel Covers Message-ID: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C63A@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> I have a plastic tunnel cover from TRF. For those of you with the same, did you drill a hole in the right side of the tunnel cover up near the front to pass through the OD wires? And if so, did you only drill the hole large enough to pass the wires, or did you drill a larger hole and use a rubber grommet? Mike Corvallis, OR From tgeiger at GeigerGarage.com Tue Mar 3 07:46:19 2009 From: tgeiger at GeigerGarage.com (Terry Geiger) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:46:19 -0600 Subject: [6pack] OD Wires and Plastic Tunnel Covers In-Reply-To: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C63A@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C63A@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <7949AC4874BD40C98C5BA93B3DFC577A@aitinc.local> I drilled a larger hole and installed a rubber grommet to prevent damage to the wiring harness. Terry Geiger www.GeigerGarage.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbitt, Michael" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: [6pack] OD Wires and Plastic Tunnel Covers >I have a plastic tunnel cover from TRF. For those of you with the same, >did > you drill a hole in the right side of the tunnel cover up near the front > to > pass through the OD wires? And if so, did you only drill the hole large > enough to pass the wires, or did you drill a larger hole and use a rubber > grommet? > > Mike > Corvallis, OR From vance.navarrette at intel.com Tue Mar 3 12:57:06 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:57:06 -0800 Subject: [6pack] PWDA question In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF729428635BBB@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF729428635BBB@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573E0F9D3F@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Stan: The shuttle is behind that little hole. Fortunately it does not need to be moved very far. Insert a small screw driver into the hole and lever the shuttle into the centered position. You will find that you can feel a small depression in the shuttle, and when that depression is centered under the hole, everything should work correctly. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Foster, Stan (HP IT) Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'TR6' Subject: [6pack] PWDA question This winter I rebuilt my front suspension and calipers so the front brake system was drained. It is all back together now and I was noticing some odd behavior when trying to bleed the front brakes. I recalled some traffic in the past about needing to re-center the shuttle in the PWDA so thinking that may be a factor I removed the plastic switch part expecting to see a moveable component beneath but what I see is a small hole that the brass prong on the bottom of the plastic part fits into and no obvious part that could be moved. What am I missing ? Stan. From rsh17 at msn.com Thu Mar 5 06:26:56 2009 From: rsh17 at msn.com (Richard Seaton) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:26:56 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Hi Message-ID: Hi, Dear friend How are you ? My friend told me an electronics online shopping mall. He bought some Iphones , game consoles and laptops. They could offer original stuff with very low price.More details,Please Browse the following website. website : http://www.newhong.com MSN : newhongservice1 at hotmail.com E-mail : newhongservice1 at yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 From forzion at maine.rr.com Thu Mar 5 18:01:01 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:01:01 -0500 Subject: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay Message-ID: <49B075CD.2010102@maine.rr.com> List Is that a J-type OD currently being bid at $100 on eBay? Check out Item number: 250380672503 NFI, Dave '74-Six w/A-type From stan.foster at hp.com Thu Mar 5 18:41:14 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 01:41:14 +0000 Subject: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay In-Reply-To: <49B075CD.2010102@maine.rr.com> References: <49B075CD.2010102@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294286364C5@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Dave, the short text would indicate that this was originally a Volvo J-type and it is unclear if it has been modified for the TR6 speedo although mechanically it will work with the TR6 tranny. Stan Overdrive fits TR6 Model "J" type #27-U5951 018934 .78:1 end ratio Worked when taken off car -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:01 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay List Is that a J-type OD currently being bid at $100 on eBay? Check out Item number: 250380672503 NFI, Dave '74-Six w/A-type _______________________________________________ From forzion at maine.rr.com Thu Mar 5 18:52:24 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:52:24 -0500 Subject: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294286364C5@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <49B075CD.2010102@maine.rr.com> <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294286364C5@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <49B081D8.4090806@maine.rr.com> Stan; Well, for say $150 (w/shipping), it could be nice for someone with a J-type (or just looking for an OD) to pick one up for [relatively] not much $$. Seems like folks were saying, just last week, that some OD's were going for four-figure prices! Dave Foster, Stan (HP IT) wrote: >Dave, the short text would indicate that this was originally a Volvo J-type and it is unclear if it has been modified for the TR6 speedo although mechanically it will work with the TR6 tranny. > >Stan > > > >Overdrive fits TR6 Model "J" type #27-U5951 018934 .78:1 end ratio Worked when taken off car > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Friedlander >Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:01 PM >To: 6pack at autox.team.net >Subject: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay > >List > >Is that a J-type OD currently being bid at $100 on eBay? > >Check out Item number: 250380672503 > >NFI, > >Dave >'74-Six w/A-type >_______________________________________________ From DLylis at aol.com Thu Mar 5 19:37:09 2009 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:37:09 EST Subject: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:08:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stan.foster at hp.com writes: Dave, the short text would indicate that this was originally a Volvo J-type What does short text mean? David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) From forzion at maine.rr.com Fri Mar 6 08:11:22 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:11:22 -0500 Subject: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294286364C7@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <49B075CD.2010102@maine.rr.com> <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294286364C5@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> <49B081D8.4090806@maine.rr.com> <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294286364C7@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <49B13D1A.7070903@maine.rr.com> Stan; Looks like the J-Type sold for $112.50 plus shipping! http://snipurl.com/d8svh [cgi_ebay_com] If it's, in fact a good-working-order J-type, someone got a very good deal! Dave Foster, Stan (HP IT) wrote: > Its early yet, still almost 3 hours left in the auction and several > bidders so I'm guessing it will go for $250 to $350 before its over. > > > > Stan > > > > From: David Friedlander [mailto:forzion at maine.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:52 PM > To: Foster, Stan (HP IT) > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay > > > > Stan; > > Well, for say $150 (w/shipping), it could be nice for someone with a > J-type (or just looking for an OD) > to pick one up for [relatively] not much $$. Seems like folks were > saying, just last week, that some > OD's were going for four-figure prices! > > Dave > > > > Foster, Stan (HP IT) wrote: > >Dave, the short text would indicate that this was originally a Volvo J-type and it is unclear if it has been modified for the TR6 speedo although mechanically it will work with the TR6 tranny. > > > >Stan > > > > > > > >Overdrive fits TR6 Model "J" type #27-U5951 018934 .78:1 end ratio Worked when taken off car > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Friedlander > >Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:01 PM > >To: 6pack at autox.team.net > >Subject: [6pack] J-type OD on eBay > > > >List > > > >Is that a J-type OD currently being bid at $100 on eBay? > > > >Check out Item number: 250380672503 > > > >NFI, > > > >Dave > >'74-Six w/A-type > >_______________________________________________ From lindquistse at charter.net Sun Mar 8 16:21:26 2009 From: lindquistse at charter.net (Steve Lindquist) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:21:26 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Oil filter wrenches Message-ID: <0DB8E1568F2D42D0B3D4B34BC99AB9B9@computerroom> Does anyone have a favorite oil filter wrench that works with the spin-on oil filters? I have a number of them but getting to the filter in the TR250 with the frame, fuel line, clutch mater cylinder all in the way allows me to spin it about 1/64 of a revolution before the handle hits something. Thanks, Steve CD231L -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DLylis at aol.com Sun Mar 8 16:47:17 2009 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:47:17 EDT Subject: [6pack] Oil filter wrenches Message-ID: I got one at Autozone that has a swivel handle. Works well. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hrmcaleer at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 9 06:53:04 2009 From: hrmcaleer at bellsouth.net (Hugh R McAleer) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:53:04 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Calling Chad Jester Message-ID: Chad, please contact me off list. Thanks Hugh TR250 Owner and a couple of Stags Zebulon, GA Newsletter Editor Georgia Triumph Association www.gatriumph.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From janah at att.net Fri Mar 13 16:34:00 2009 From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:34:00 -0400 Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? Message-ID: <8E0E6F3E515341219950D14AC40797F7@p4home> I have recently read in one place that the TR5/TR6 PI rocker ration was 1.5:1? Is this correct? John Cyg From stan.foster at hp.com Fri Mar 13 16:47:38 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:47:38 +0000 Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? In-Reply-To: <8E0E6F3E515341219950D14AC40797F7@p4home> References: <8E0E6F3E515341219950D14AC40797F7@p4home> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF729428F24539@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> John, that sounds correct. Corroborating evidence from the rimmer web site where he positions the roller rockers: "The complete rocker assembly is replaced with this kit. The new rocker arms use roller tips and internal rollers on an all new steel shaft. The rocker ratio is increased from 1.5 to 1.65:1 giving greater valve lift." Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Cyganowski Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:34 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? I have recently read in one place that the TR5/TR6 PI rocker ration was 1.5:1? Is this correct? John Cyg From vance.navarrette at intel.com Sat Mar 14 09:14:53 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:14:53 -0700 Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? In-Reply-To: <8E0E6F3E515341219950D14AC40797F7@p4home> References: <8E0E6F3E515341219950D14AC40797F7@p4home> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E0035B@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> John: That is my understanding as well. A popular misconception seems to be that the PI got its power primarily from the Lucas injection, but that is not the case. The 1969 PI had: UK Spec US Spec ------------------------------------- 280 degree cam 240 degree cam 1.5 rockers 1.4 rockers 9.5:1 compression 8.5:1 compression Wideport head Narrow port head Cold air intake Dual air filter Dual exhaust Single exhaust Fuel injection Dual ZS carburetors Together these gave the 150HP vs the 105HP in the US. The later US TR6s got some of these nicer bits as the emissions requirements sapped power from the engine, but as we all know the TR6 only kept the power at 105HP, it never went up. Pity the poor MGB owner during this time. Power went down as time went on, and in the last year of production I recall the MGB wheezed out a measly 65 HP making the TR6 seem like a rocket ship by comparison. 'Course the Datsun 240Z was making 150HP from its 2.4 liter, so Triumph had a few things to learn from Japan about how to make power *and* meet emissions. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Cyganowski Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:34 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? I have recently read in one place that the TR5/TR6 PI rocker ration was 1.5:1? Is this correct? John Cyg From Btp44 at aol.com Sat Mar 14 13:11:33 2009 From: Btp44 at aol.com (Btp44 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:11:33 EDT Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? Message-ID: Vance-How was the change in rocker ratio made? The TRF cat. doesn't show different rocker arms or pedestals for the PI cars. Inquiring minds want to know. Berry Price **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From Btp44 at aol.com Sat Mar 14 16:32:27 2009 From: Btp44 at aol.com (Btp44 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:32:27 EDT Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? Message-ID: Jonmac-Even though the PI cars weren't marketed in NA, the TRF catalog lists all of the PI components, including a cylinder head for "police cars only"? Berry Price **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sat Mar 14 18:11:33 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:11:33 -0000 Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? References: Message-ID: <8F4F92EA2B064C59B26F4DDB929878BB@Bevan> > Jonmac-Even though the PI cars weren't marketed in NA, the TRF catalog lists > all of the PI components, including a cylinder head for "police cars only"? A strange decision for Mr. Runyan to make? Presumably he's selling kit for people to convert? As for the police cars, Standard-Triumph did sell a large number of cars to UK police forces. Mostly, they were the 2.5PI saloon car with a special police spec on several different fronts. On occasions, I drove these police variants when they'd been returned from different forces after evaluation as motorway patrol cars. They were considerably faster than the normal 2.5PI (132bhp) with TR5 & 6 at 150bhp. At a guesstimate, I'd say the output was around 170bhp. They certainly had unique camshafts, different distributor settings, different heads and completely different datum track settings on the metering units. I do remember returning one to the factory in Coventry from London and this was fitted with a separate police spec speedo that was super accurate. All I do remember was that at 120mph, the car was still accelerating and was very much on the level and not downhill. By contrast, the normal version sold to the general public would just about stagger to 110 downhill with a following wind. Jonmac From Btp44 at aol.com Sat Mar 14 20:19:08 2009 From: Btp44 at aol.com (Btp44 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:19:08 EDT Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? Message-ID: Jonmac-Charles isn't marketing (or stocking as far as I know) the parts used in the PI cars. However, his 2 vol. Tr6 catalogs do include the parts used in the PI spec cars and that is why I was curious as to why there wasn't a different rocker listed if the rr for the PI cars isn't the same as NA ones. Thanks for shedding light on the "police car" head, even though it appears in the TR6 catalog, I fiqured it was probably for a sedan. Berry Price **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From jsvannorman at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:08:11 2009 From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:08:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] BL badge question Message-ID: What is the proper color BL badge for a 74 1/2 TR6? I've seen a number of different versions (silver with dark blue background, light blue with silver background, etc.) My 6 didn't have them when I bought her, but two light blue with silver background ones were in the parts box I received and I've wondered if they are the correct ones. Also, they weren't stick-on ones, but rather have posts on the back. John V. 1974 1/2 TR6 From lindquistse at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:40:02 2009 From: lindquistse at gmail.com (Stephen Lindquist) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:40:02 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment Message-ID: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa@mail.gmail.com> I am replacing the carpet in my 250 and have been eyeing some hi-tech thermal/acoustic underlayments. Has anyone tried Dynamat Extreme or other engineered materials as an upgrade to jute and or compressed felt. The stuff is pricey, and it occurs to me that sound proofing a roadster is perhaps folly, since the wind noise alone will make deaf. Thermal insulation would be nice as well, so I have looked at some claimed combo materials. But I only intend to lay the carpet down once, and if there are miracle materials out there I'd like to know. I am replacing carpet since the transmission tunnel "seal" to the floor boards never lived up to its name. So I have some hose testing to do with the new tunnel gaskets before I commit to the underlayment. Thanks, Steve CD231L From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Mar 16 10:09:54 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:09:54 -0700 Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E00606@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Well Berry: Looks like I got it wrong. I went back and looked, the rockers were the same between PI and north American models. Drat. I *THINK* I got the rest of it correct, but maybe not. I will slink away and lick my wounds now. Thanks for pointing out the gaff. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast ________________________________ From: Btp44 at aol.com [mailto:Btp44 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:12 PM To: Navarrette, Vance; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? Vance-How was the change in rocker ratio made? The TRF cat. doesn't show different rocker arms or pedestals for the PI cars. Inquiring minds want to know. Berry Price From cregg.cowan at sri.com Mon Mar 16 10:38:23 2009 From: cregg.cowan at sri.com (Cregg Cowan) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:38:23 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Piston rings --> torque for turning crank Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20090316101952.05da8670@mail.esd.sri.com> Hi Lou & Berry, I was also curious about how hard the crank should be to turn as I'm building up the engine. I just measured that 21 ft-lbs of torque are required to turn my newly rebuilt bottom end (Grant rings with King HD rod & main bearings). Up to 24 ft-lbs is OK according to p. 30 of Vizard's book, but I'm not completely sure if that is for just the crank and pistons. I measured this by hanging a 15 pound weight on my breaker bar handle. When suspended at 14" from the center of the crank the crank did not turn; at 15" the crank turned (15 lbs * 1.25 ft = 18.75 ft-lbs). I estimate the 18" breaker bar weighs 3 pounds (probably more like 2 pounds, but I'm being conservative), so the unloaded breaker bar contributes 2.25 ft-lbs of torque (3 lbs * 0.75 ft) for a total of 21. For this measurement the rear oil seal was installed, as was the timing chain and cam (but no lifters, oil pump, or timing chain tensioner). Let me know if this is not clear and I can send photos of the test setup. Hope this helps, Cregg At 05:56 PM 3/1/2009, lfm614 at aol.com wrote: >Thanks Berry, > >Got the bevel and its up but they are not marked top so I was double >checking. Got these from TRF too. > >Did you redo your bearings as well? If so, how hard is it to turn the >crank with the new rings and new bearings? > >Lou From Mohawktriumphs at aol.com Mon Mar 16 11:39:43 2009 From: Mohawktriumphs at aol.com (Mohawktriumphs at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:39:43 EDT Subject: [6pack] Laycock clutch dimension Message-ID: Need a measurement please. Have my 6 down for stuck clutch after winter nap. Its Laycock clutch worked well and only 5000 miles on it. I want to re-use it. What is the thickness of a new Laycock friction disk? I don't trust"new" parts, unless no choice,especially TR6 clutch parts... Thanks, Mohawks TR6 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From Darcy_Hunter at Instron.com Mon Mar 16 12:10:43 2009 From: Darcy_Hunter at Instron.com (Hunter, Darcy) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:10:43 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment Message-ID: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A845A@USNorS37.instron.com> Timely since I'm doing the same thing, for different reasons. As part of a carpet replacement process, my plan is to put down an underlayment, in this case Dynamat Extreme and then the carpet to which I will attach a 30 oz jute padding. Have the interior completely stripped now and treated a few spots on the floor that looked like they might be potential rust areas. I order 36 sq ft. of Dynamat for about $145 delivered from Amazon and yesterday I went about putting it on the transmission tunnel. Took about 1 hour and looks pretty good. Keep in mind, the product is not flexible so bends and contours needed to be addressed by inserting pieces, cutting out pieces or small folds in the skin. Part of the install includes smoothing the product with a roller which is an important step. Frankly, I'm using a wallpaper seam roller which is working just fine. Bottom line is that I'm pretty happy with it. I expect it will take 3-4 hours to finish the floor, driveshaft cover and rear parcel shelf and just by the end, I'll have developed a good technique! I used quite a few very small pieces to fill the cracks and not waste but after rolling, it looks very good. Question I've got for someone who is experienced is concerning the original thick tar or asphalt damping pieces that were originally used. They are on the heel area of the parcel shelf and there are pieces just behind the seats on the floor that are about 6x9 inches in size. These all seem to be very well attached to the metal. Should these all be removed or left intact? Removing would be tough. Thanks Darcy Hunter '73 TR6 No. Easton, MA Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment To: 6pack at autox.team.net Message-ID: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am replacing the carpet in my 250 and have been eyeing some hi-tech thermal/acoustic underlayments. Has anyone tried Dynamat Extreme or other engineered materials as an upgrade to jute and or compressed felt. The stuff is pricey, and it occurs to me that sound proofing a roadster is perhaps folly, since the wind noise alone will make deaf. Thermal insulation would be nice as well, so I have looked at some claimed combo materials. But I only intend to lay the carpet down once, and if there are miracle materials out there I'd like to know. I am replacing carpet since the transmission tunnel "seal" to the floor boards never lived up to its name. So I have some hose testing to do with the new tunnel gaskets before I commit to the underlayment. Thanks, Steve From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Mar 16 13:11:01 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:11:01 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment In-Reply-To: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A845A@USNorS37.instron.com> References: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A845A@USNorS37.instron.com> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E007F6@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> The only reason I can see to remove them is to paint the car. I removed mine so that there would be paint on all the sheet metal. The factory primed the metal, then installed the sound damping material, assembled the body, and painted it. So there was no paint under the asphalt and in the sheet metal seams. It comes off very easily with a heat gun and a putty knife. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hunter, Darcy Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:11 PM To: '6pack at autox.team.net' Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment Question I've got for someone who is experienced is concerning the original thick tar or asphalt damping pieces that were originally used. They are on the heel area of the parcel shelf and there are pieces just behind the seats on the floor that are about 6x9 inches in size. These all seem to be very well attached to the metal. Should these all be removed or left intact? Removing would be tough. Thanks Darcy Hunter '73 TR6 No. Easton, MA From grant at bowtie6.com Mon Mar 16 13:28:09 2009 From: grant at bowtie6.com (Joseph Grant) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:28:09 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment In-Reply-To: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A845A@USNorS37.instron.com> References: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A845A@USNorS37.instron.com> Message-ID: <000301c9a675$b9147580$2b3d6080$@com> >> Keep in mind, the product is not flexible so bends and contours needed >> to be addressed by inserting pieces, cutting out pieces or small folds in the >> skin. I disagree. DynamatExtreme is quite pliable. If you use it 'cold' it might be a little hard to bend, but if you let it warm a tad in the sun it will be very pliable. I used DynamatExtreme quite extensively on my TR6 and highly recommend it. There are several places where I did 90 degree bends with no problems. I also found it molds itself quite nicely to contours. I ended up using two Bulk Pack boxes on the body alone. Click on the link below. This link is to a gallery in my website where there is plenty of info about all this. http://www.bowtie6.com/tr6_pics/carpet/gallery1/index.html Also: the wallpaper roller is not bad, but to do this 'right' you need to get the DynamatRoller. I did not believe it until I used the proper roller. The difference is that the DynamatRoller is made of rubber and is much wider than the one used for wallpaper. It makes a big difference when squeezing the material down. Finally, when I restored my factory hard top I lined the entire inside of the top with DynamatExtreme (used several sheets from a new BulkPack). BIG difference. There is no rattling and it gives the top a different 'feel'. Granted, it made the top heavier, but that is all good: the more solid feel is worth it. Joe PS: Why the need for "jute"? When it gets wet it stinks. From k6na at cts.com Mon Mar 16 13:53:35 2009 From: k6na at cts.com (Glenn Rattmann) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:53:35 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment In-Reply-To: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090316205225.4285D893E@marlborough.concentric.com> Steve, On June 16, 2008 there were several good msgs on this subject. Dave Friedlander sent the following to Corey Sherman. Good luck! Maybe Corey can relate his results too. Rgds, Glenn/San Diego TR6s Check out http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/conclusion/ I used Second Skin's Damplifier (http://www.secondskinaudio.com). It was rated as best by the testing methods used on the website above. Additionally, I am installing their Overkill product in the doors and in the cockpit as well as the rear panel (in front of the gas tank). It's my own feeling but sometimes "cheap" works, sometimes not.... After spending as much as I have to date on this car, getting cheap here didn't make sense, to me. Buy the way, I didn't use these products "under the jute" but in place of it.... Dave Friedlander At 09:40 AM 3/16/2009, you wrote: >I am replacing the carpet in my 250 and have been eyeing some hi-tech >thermal/acoustic underlayments. Has anyone tried Dynamat Extreme or other >engineered materials as an upgrade to jute and or compressed felt. >Steve >CD231L From lfm614 at aol.com Mon Mar 16 13:57:22 2009 From: lfm614 at aol.com ( ) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:57:22 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Laycock clutch dimension Message-ID: <756888154-1237236977-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-118297148-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I asked the same question on 6-PACK a couple of weeks ago and got around 0.30 - 0.32" depending on brand. Interesting to see what comes back here. Lou ------Original Message------ From: Mohawktriumphs at aol.com Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net To: TR-6 list Sent: Mar 16, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [6pack] Laycock clutch dimension Need a measurement please. Have my 6 down for stuck clutch after winter nap. Its Laycock clutch worked well and only 5000 miles on it. I want to re-use it. What is the thickness of a new Laycock friction disk? I don't trust"new" parts, unless no choice,especially TR6 clutch parts... Thanks, Mohawks TR6 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as lfm614 at aol.com From janah at att.net Mon Mar 16 15:25:58 2009 From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:25:58 -0400 Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? Message-ID: <5B59146081514489BD6CABB844F0CAFC@p4home> Well Berry: Looks like I got it wrong. I went back and looked, the rockers were the same between PI and north American models. Drat. Well now this is why I asked. Just because I "read it on the internet" does not necessairly make it true. John Cyg From stan.foster at hp.com Mon Mar 16 17:16:53 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:16:53 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Laycock clutch dimension In-Reply-To: <756888154-1237236977-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-118297148-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <756888154-1237236977-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-118297148-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF729429092FEE@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> I have a new disc in the basement, made in the UK, sourced from TRF a year ago (long story), but of unknown manufacturer. It measures .32 inches. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:57 PM To: Mohawktriumphs at aol.com; TR-6 list Subject: Re: [6pack] Laycock clutch dimension I asked the same question on 6-PACK a couple of weeks ago and got around 0.30 - 0.32" depending on brand. Interesting to see what comes back here. Lou From apackard68 at att.net Mon Mar 16 23:21:38 2009 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:21:38 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment In-Reply-To: <20090316205225.4285D893E@marlborough.concentric.com> Message-ID: <336235.12639.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I also used Damplifier (not the Pro version) on my TR250. Pretty easy to install with patience and a gasket-hole making set to make nice round access holes for seat rails, floor snaps, etc. I glued the padding to the carpet pieces that went on the tranny tunnel (2 pieces), drive shaft tunnel and floor pieces, and then used the snaps to hold them in place. No snaps used under the seat rails for obvious reasons. Driving with the car all closed up (doesn't happen often) is now a much quieter, insulated sound than before. The pieces in the doors also give them a more solid sound when closing, although I did also inject foam insulation in the rockers and b-post when doing the resto. Andy CD6746L HVDA -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Rattmann Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:54 PM To: Stephen Lindquist Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Under carpet treatment Steve, On June 16, 2008 there were several good msgs on this subject. Dave Friedlander sent the following to Corey Sherman. Good luck! Maybe Corey can relate his results too. Rgds, Glenn/San Diego TR6s Check out http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/conclusion/ I used Second Skin's Damplifier (http://www.secondskinaudio.com). It was rated as best by the testing methods used on the website above. Additionally, I am installing their Overkill product in the doors and in the cockpit as well as the rear panel (in front of the gas tank). It's my own feeling but sometimes "cheap" works, sometimes not.... After spending as much as I have to date on this car, getting cheap here didn't make sense, to me. Buy the way, I didn't use these products "under the jute" but in place of it.... Dave Friedlander At 09:40 AM 3/16/2009, you wrote: >I am replacing the carpet in my 250 and have been eyeing some hi-tech >thermal/acoustic underlayments. Has anyone tried Dynamat Extreme or other >engineered materials as an upgrade to jute and or compressed felt. >Steve >CD231L 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as apackard68 at att.net From Darcy_Hunter at Instron.com Tue Mar 17 04:44:39 2009 From: Darcy_Hunter at Instron.com (Hunter, Darcy) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:44:39 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment In-Reply-To: <000301c9a675$b9147580$2b3d6080$@com> References: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A845A@USNorS37.instron.com> <000301c9a675$b9147580$2b3d6080$@com> Message-ID: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A8463@USNorS37.instron.com> I'm sorry, I mis-spoke when I said "not flexible". The product is in fact very flexible, what I wanted to emphasize is that because of the aluminum backing, it doesn't stretch much. For me, this meant contours had to be covered buy small cut outs, small inserts or small wrinkles in the product. Maybe if I try the hair dryer on my next session, things will improve. I'm using the jute really because it was there and it gives a nice feel and plusher look. I notice in your photo series Joe, you seem to be using some type of jute looking material covering the tunnel and I assume other non-floor areas. Did you use the closed cell on the Floor carpets but jute material on the tunnel and parcel shelf and closed cell on the floor? Also, where did you get the closed cell material? Thanks Darcy Hunter '73 TR6 North Easton, MA -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Grant [mailto:grant at bowtie6.com] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:28 PM To: Hunter, Darcy; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [6pack] Under carpet treatment >> Keep in mind, the product is not flexible so bends and contours needed >> to be addressed by inserting pieces, cutting out pieces or small folds in the >> skin. I disagree. DynamatExtreme is quite pliable. If you use it 'cold' it might be a little hard to bend, but if you let it warm a tad in the sun it will be very pliable. I used DynamatExtreme quite extensively on my TR6 and highly recommend it. There are several places where I did 90 degree bends with no problems. I also found it molds itself quite nicely to contours. I ended up using two Bulk Pack boxes on the body alone. Click on the link below. This link is to a gallery in my website where there is plenty of info about all this. http://www.bowtie6.com/tr6_pics/carpet/gallery1/index.html Also: the wallpaper roller is not bad, but to do this 'right' you need to get the DynamatRoller. I did not believe it until I used the proper roller. The difference is that the DynamatRoller is made of rubber and is much wider than the one used for wallpaper. It makes a big difference when squeezing the material down. Finally, when I restored my factory hard top I lined the entire inside of the top with DynamatExtreme (used several sheets from a new BulkPack). BIG difference. There is no rattling and it gives the top a different 'feel'. Granted, it made the top heavier, but that is all good: the more solid feel is worth it. Joe PS: Why the need for "jute"? When it gets wet it stinks. From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 05:13:33 2009 From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Laycock Clutch dimension question Message-ID: <177353.30532.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I presume since you said you "have it down" for a stuck clutch that you have already taken the tranny out and removed the clutch. If this is the case you obviously don't need, or want to know that several members have had success in unsticking a clutch without removing anything. Since I have only read about it on this forum I willl leave it to those who have successfully used this technique to explain it. Mike Lunsford From william.mcintire at wright.edu Tue Mar 17 05:32:43 2009 From: william.mcintire at wright.edu (William McIntire) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:32:43 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Laycock Clutch dimension question In-Reply-To: <177353.30532.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <177353.30532.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65409fc07c8de.49bf602b@wright.edu> Mike and all, It's a piece of cake. With the engine off put the trans in a higher gear, like 3rd, depress the clutch and stand on the brakes. Bump the starter repeatedly. Do not leave the starter engaged just bump it against the flywheel. After a few tries the clutch will unstick and you're good to go. Worked for me for years. Just do not leave the starter engaged for any extended period as it may cook. Bill '70 6 ----- Original Message ----- From: michael lunsford Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:13 am Subject: [6pack] Laycock Clutch dimension question To: 6pack at autox.team.net > I presume since you said you "have it down" for a stuck clutch > that you have > already taken the tranny out and removed the clutch. If > this is the case you > obviously don't need, or want to know that several members have > had success in > unsticking a clutch without removing anything. Since I > have only read about > it on this forum I willl leave it to those who have successfully > used this > technique to explain it. > > Mike Lunsford > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as william.mcintire at wright.edu From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Tue Mar 17 06:00:59 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:00:59 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment In-Reply-To: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DBF892F22EC4E3ABD9A012188D234A9@BOBSNEWPC> I did my whole car (floors, doors, tranny tunnel, rear deck, rear deck panel, trunk & gas tank) two years with FatMat. My objective was to cool and quiet (especially the doors) the car at a reasonable price. And it worked great! A very noticeable difference. I also bought some carpet underlayment from Lowes which is fairly thick and quite dense. If you do your tranny tunnel be prepared for a wrestling match with the dash support. The FatMat and underlayment were just thick enough to make it very "interesting" getting the dash support back in place. You can see my work here: http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/FatMat.htm and here http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/5SpeedInterior.htm Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lindquist Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:40 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment I am replacing the carpet in my 250 and have been eyeing some hi-tech thermal/acoustic underlayments. Has anyone tried Dynamat Extreme or other engineered materials as an upgrade to jute and or compressed felt. The stuff is pricey, and it occurs to me that sound proofing a roadster is perhaps folly, since the wind noise alone will make deaf. Thermal insulation would be nice as well, so I have looked at some claimed combo materials. But I only intend to lay the carpet down once, and if there are miracle materials out there I'd like to know. I am replacing carpet since the transmission tunnel "seal" to the floor boards never lived up to its name. So I have some hose testing to do with the new tunnel gaskets before I commit to the underlayment. Thanks, Steve CD231L 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 06:43:46 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] PI Rocker Ratio? In-Reply-To: <8E0E6F3E515341219950D14AC40797F7@p4home> References: <8E0E6F3E515341219950D14AC40797F7@p4home> Message-ID: Hi, I'm going to toss in a tuppence here. The TRF book lists a different adjustment screw for PI (and late TR6), but the rockers are listed as the same for all TR6 (allowing that there's are odd and even rockers, of course). As far as the ratio, all stock setups are between 1.42:1 and about 1.46:1. The mention of 1.5:1 is very optimistinc. You can prove it yourself - measure the amount of cam lift and then measure the amount of valve lift on a couple of valves. You'll be amazed at the differences. Especially on a worn motor (with stock rockers). This is one place where roller rockers "win". The ratio should never change over the life of the part. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From forzion at maine.rr.com Tue Mar 17 07:06:32 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:06:32 +0000 Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Message-ID: <20090317140633.3TF1F.316747.root@hrndva-web19-z01> Darcy; I used Damplifier, like Andrew did (also, not the Pro). I also used their Overkill closed cell product over the Damplifier, in the doors and on the floorboards under the carpeting. I cut out the Damplifier where the feet of the dask support would sit, so clearance wouldn't be an issue... See http://www.secondskinaudio.com/noise-filter/overkill.php Very solid now... and quiet, with the top up... Second Skin products seem high quality, to me! Dave Friedlander '74-Six w/A-OD and TBI ---- "Hunter wrote: > I'm sorry, I mis-spoke when I said "not flexible". The product is in fact > very flexible, what I wanted to emphasize is that because of the aluminum > backing, it doesn't stretch much. For me, this meant contours had to be > covered buy small cut outs, small inserts or small wrinkles in the product. > Maybe if I try the hair dryer on my next session, things will improve. > I'm using the jute really because it was there and it gives a nice feel and > plusher look. I notice in your photo series Joe, you seem to be using some > type of jute looking material covering the tunnel and I assume other non-floor > areas. Did you use the closed cell on the Floor carpets but jute material on > the tunnel and parcel shelf and closed cell on the floor? Also, where did you > get the closed cell material? Thanks > > Darcy Hunter > '73 TR6 > North Easton, MA From jmitch at snet.net Tue Mar 17 13:18:44 2009 From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:18:44 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment In-Reply-To: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A8463@USNorS37.instron.com> References: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A845A@USNorS37.instron.com> <000301c9a675$b9147580$2b3d6080$@com> <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A8463@USNorS37.instron.com> Message-ID: <49C005A4.3010209@snet.net> I think the jute is needed to get that authentic British smell in the car. That's why used it over sections of Dynamat. John Mitchell 76 TR6 72 Stag Hunter, Darcy wrote: > I'm sorry, I mis-spoke when I said "not flexible". The product is in fact > very flexible, what I wanted to emphasize is that because of the aluminum > backing, it doesn't stretch much. For me, this meant contours had to be > covered buy small cut outs, small inserts or small wrinkles in the product. > Maybe if I try the hair dryer on my next session, things will improve. > I'm using the jute really because it was there and it gives a nice feel and > plusher look. I notice in your photo series Joe, you seem to be using some > type of jute looking material covering the tunnel and I assume other non-floor > areas. Did you use the closed cell on the Floor carpets but jute material on > the tunnel and parcel shelf and closed cell on the floor? Also, where did you > get the closed cell material? Thanks > > Darcy Hunter > '73 TR6 > North Easton, MA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Grant [mailto:grant at bowtie6.com] > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:28 PM > To: Hunter, Darcy; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [6pack] Under carpet treatment > > >>> Keep in mind, the product is not flexible so bends and contours needed >>> to be addressed by inserting pieces, cutting out pieces or small folds in >>> > the > >>> skin. >>> > > I disagree. DynamatExtreme is quite pliable. If you use it 'cold' it might > be a little hard to bend, but if you let it warm a tad in the sun it will be > very pliable. I used DynamatExtreme quite extensively on my TR6 and highly > recommend it. There are several places where I did 90 degree bends with no > problems. I also found it molds itself quite nicely to contours. I ended > up using two Bulk Pack boxes on the body alone. From DLylis at aol.com Tue Mar 17 14:07:05 2009 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:07:05 EDT Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2009 4:19:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmitch at snet.net writes: I think the jute is needed to get that authentic British smell in the car. Don't you need to soak it in oil first? David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From vance.navarrette at intel.com Tue Mar 17 14:16:13 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:16:13 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E00F12@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> David: Soaking jute in oil to get the authentic British smell is a very popular misconception. It is actually the smell of jute and of burning Lucas electrics that gives that authentic smell. I am quite certain of that. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DLylis at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:07 PM To: jmitch at snet.net; Darcy_Hunter at Instron.com Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Under carpet treatment I think the jute is needed to get that authentic British smell in the car. Don't you need to soak it in oil first? David Lylis From william.mcintire at wright.edu Tue Mar 17 15:51:03 2009 From: william.mcintire at wright.edu (William McIntire) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:51:03 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E00F12@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E00F12@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <65a0cf8b7827d.49bff117@wright.edu> How can one discount the fragrance of wet sheep ever present in early (pre TR 4) vehicles during high humidity conditions? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Navarrette, Vance" Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells To: "DLylis at aol.com" , "6pack at autox.team.net" <6pack at autox.team.net> > David: > > Soaking jute in oil to get the authentic British smell is a > very popular > misconception. It is actually the smell of jute and of burning > Lucas electrics > that gives that authentic smell. > > I am quite certain of that. > > Vance > > Vance Navarrette > Cogito Ergo Zoom > I think, therefore I go fast > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of DLylis at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:07 PM > To: jmitch at snet.net; Darcy_Hunter at Instron.com > Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] Under carpet treatment > > I think the jute is needed to get that authentic British > smell in the > car. > > Don't you need to soak it in oil first? > > David Lylis > _______________________________________________ From Lfm614 at aol.com Tue Mar 17 16:34:01 2009 From: Lfm614 at aol.com (Lfm614 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:34:01 EDT Subject: [6pack] Throw Out Bearing Question Message-ID: I am going back together and ready to put the tranny on the motor. I bought a brand new standard OEM throw out bearing assembly from TRF to replace my old one that was starting to sing. The new sleeve does not have the pin to keep it from turning on the fork pins like the old one, it has the little hole though. How critical is that pin? Doesn't look like you can get one in there once the sleeve and bearing are pressed together. I did notice that my old one has two notches or impressions from the old pins up against where the pin is and 180 deg out. I thought that maybe that is the reason the pin may longer be used. Any experience with this? Is this assembly put together wrong? Thanks, Lou **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Tue Mar 17 16:50:58 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:50:58 -0000 Subject: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells References: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E00F12@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> <65a0cf8b7827d.49bff117@wright.edu> Message-ID: <040DFB41D2F04FCBBA87DC96747E533A@Bevan> The smell many enthusiasts *ought* to have inside Triumphs that use the fibreboard instrument panels and transmission covers, should be that of wet, raw fish. I well remember seeing those componets being made at a firm called Prestfibre near London. The raw ingredients comprised water, chopped carboard and sawdust to which a substantial amount of fish glue was added as a setting agent. The moulds to make them were made of perforated steel sheet (a male and female version) between which the 'slop' was sandwiched and then baked for about 30 minutes. The whole factory stank of fish, the outside air for about 200 yards stank of fish - and Heralds that leaked, as many did, also stank of fish as well. So if you seek a genuine Triumph LBC smell, never go anywhere without a raw fish somewhere in the cockpit. Do the Concours Judges have this piece of information to ensure cars are truly 'original'? Jonmac From jimmble at roadrunner.com Wed Mar 18 02:56:56 2009 From: jimmble at roadrunner.com (Jim Franks) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:56:56 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Throw Out Bearing Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C0C568.7020807@roadrunner.com> Lou, You need to stop the sleeve from turning on the shaft. The pins are meant to do that. Just take the sleeve to NAPA and have them match a roll pin to it. Jim Franks Lfm614 at aol.com wrote: > I am going back together and ready to put the tranny on the motor. I bought > a brand new standard OEM throw out bearing assembly from TRF to replace my > old one that was starting to sing. The new sleeve does not have the pin to > keep it from turning on the fork pins like the old one, it has the little hole > though. How critical is that pin? Doesn't look like you can get one in > there once the sleeve and bearing are pressed together. I did notice that my old > one has two notches or impressions from the old pins up against where the pin > is and 180 deg out. I thought that maybe that is the reason the pin may > longer be used. > > Any experience with this? Is this assembly put together wrong? > > Thanks, > > Lou > > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under > $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as jimmble at roadrunner.com From ron at rvar.net Wed Mar 18 07:29:52 2009 From: ron at rvar.net (ron) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:29:52 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment References: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DA1EBA087D24534B9A47C601148FD67@RVAR> Steve, We use DynaMat Xtreme in all of our cars. It is installed on all the flat panels, door skins, trans tunnel, and cowl. It does two things, keeps out the under hood and under car heat as well as reducing the road noise. The car feels much more solid and it is definitely more comfortable to drive in the summer. You can buy the DynaMat on Amazon There are pictures of an installation at www.rvar.shutterfly.com. Ron Ron's Vintage Auto Restoration ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Lindquist" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment >I am replacing the carpet in my 250 and have been eyeing some hi-tech > thermal/acoustic underlayments. Has anyone tried Dynamat Extreme or other > engineered materials as an upgrade to jute and or compressed felt. > > The stuff is pricey, and it occurs to me that sound proofing a roadster is > perhaps folly, since the wind noise alone will make deaf. Thermal > insulation would be nice as well, so I have looked at some claimed combo > materials. > > But I only intend to lay the carpet down once, and if there are miracle > materials out there I'd like to know. I am replacing carpet since the > transmission tunnel "seal" to the floor boards never lived up to its name. > So I have some hose testing to do with the new tunnel gaskets before I > commit to the underlayment. > > Thanks, > > Steve > CD231L > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rgh at vvm.com From vance.navarrette at intel.com Wed Mar 18 08:30:25 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:30:25 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells In-Reply-To: <040DFB41D2F04FCBBA87DC96747E533A@Bevan> References: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E00F12@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> <65a0cf8b7827d.49bff117@wright.edu> <040DFB41D2F04FCBBA87DC96747E533A@Bevan> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E85F58@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Jonmac: I wish you had not posted this. Now EVERYONE knows how to give their car that special something for a concours judging. Drat. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney [mailto:standardtriumph at btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:51 PM To: Navarrette, Vance; William McIntire Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells So if you seek a genuine Triumph LBC smell, never go anywhere without a raw fish somewhere in the cockpit. Do the Concours Judges have this piece of information to ensure cars are truly 'original'? Jonmac From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu Wed Mar 18 08:53:55 2009 From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:53:55 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Sound Deadener Message-ID: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170EEA@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> For those of you who redid your interiors using FatMat or another sound deadening stick-on application, I'm curious what you may have done with the factory-applied sound deadener. On the vertical rise of the rear shelf the factory installed stuff has some rather large wrinkles where it may have slipped over time (or just been applied that way). These of course were hidden by the carpet and padding. Did you (1) just cover the factory-applied sound deadener as is with the Fatmat, (2) cut out the protruding wrinkles to flatten out what was there, (3) totally remove the old stuff, (4) or something else? Mike Corvallis, OR From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Wed Mar 18 09:07:16 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:07:16 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Sound Deadener In-Reply-To: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170EEA@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170EEA@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <05DC498DCD5642F1B12BD6292336BC62@BOBSNEWPC> I removed as much of the old stuff as could easily be done. I didn't worry about getting it all off as the FatMat is really sticky and adheres to anything. Plus I'm lazy! Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Corbitt, Michael Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:54 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Sound Deadener For those of you who redid your interiors using FatMat or another sound deadening stick-on application, I'm curious what you may have done with the factory-applied sound deadener. On the vertical rise of the rear shelf the factory installed stuff has some rather large wrinkles where it may have slipped over time (or just been applied that way). These of course were hidden by the carpet and padding. Did you (1) just cover the factory-applied sound deadener as is with the Fatmat, (2) cut out the protruding wrinkles to flatten out what was there, (3) totally remove the old stuff, (4) or something else? Mike Corvallis, OR 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From grant at bowtie6.com Wed Mar 18 11:07:03 2009 From: grant at bowtie6.com (Joseph Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:07:03 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Sound Deadener In-Reply-To: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170EEA@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170EEA@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <000901c9a7f4$5775b340$066119c0$@com> Totally removed the old stuff. This stuff was also inside the doors - it is now gone replaced by DynamatExtreme. Joe '72 Triumph TR6 - CC77169 www.bowtie6.com From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Mar 18 15:35:21 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:35:21 -0000 Subject: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells References: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E00F12@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> <65a0cf8b7827d.49bff117@wright.edu> <040DFB41D2F04FCBBA87DC96747E533A@Bevan> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E85F58@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Hey, perhaps I ought to arrange to have relays of freshly caught fish to keep in the TTACD Stag this year? Are the Great Lakes noted for some particularly smelly ones? Jonmac Jonmac: I wish you had not posted this. Now EVERYONE knows how to give their car that special something for a concours judging. Drat. Vance So if you seek a genuine Triumph LBC smell, never go anywhere without a raw fish somewhere in the cockpit. Do the Concours Judges have this piece of information to ensure cars are truly 'original'? Jonmac From dr.becker at cox.net Wed Mar 18 19:51:33 2009 From: dr.becker at cox.net (Don Becker) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:51:33 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment References: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090316205225.4285D893E@marlborough.concentric.com> Message-ID: <8E428A03731E495D8BFEC85B0DDAD7AF@DONIRENE> Unfortunately, I just installed some Fatmat on the door skin (passenger door only) and will have to remove (sic). I'm convinced now that the Phoenix summer will melt the Fatmat into a pool of black sticky asphalt which won't be pretty. (Doors will easily reach 160F in July....well OK, June thru September to be more accurate) Ordered Second Skin today...here tomorrow. Now, the fun of ripping out the Fatmat. Suggestions? Dry Ice? Heatgun/Blowdryer? Thanks, Don Becker 74 Mallard Blue > Steve, > On June 16, 2008 there were several good msgs on this subject. Dave > Friedlander sent the following to Corey Sherman. > Good luck! Maybe Corey can relate his results too. > Rgds, > Glenn/San Diego TR6s > > Check out http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/conclusion/ > > I used Second Skin's Damplifier (http://www.secondskinaudio.com). It > was rated as best by the testing methods used on the website above. > Additionally, I am installing their Overkill product in the doors and > in the cockpit as well as the rear panel (in front of the gas tank). > It's my own feeling but sometimes "cheap" works, sometimes not.... > After spending as much as I have to date on this car, getting cheap > here didn't make sense, to me. Buy the way, I didn't use these > products "under the jute" but in place of it.... > > Dave Friedlander > > At 09:40 AM 3/16/2009, you wrote: >>I am replacing the carpet in my 250 and have been eyeing some hi-tech >>thermal/acoustic underlayments. Has anyone tried Dynamat Extreme or other >>engineered materials as an upgrade to jute and or compressed felt. >>Steve >>CD231L > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as dr.becker at cox.net From apackard68 at att.net Wed Mar 18 22:17:24 2009 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:17:24 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Surrey top (backlight) side window seals Message-ID: <896490.27792.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone: Straight up from the B-pillar on the surrey top backlight, there is supposed to be a strip of rubber trim to help seal the rear of the door windows when closed. The rubber strip is to be held in place by steel channels dovetail-style with the beveled side of the rubber slid/pressed into the channel. It is very similar to how the front seal of the convertible top is held in place. When I bought my surrey top, the side channels were not present and are NLA at the suppliers. I haven't tried Rimmer Bros, so maybe they are an option. Does anyone have any of these channels or have they had any success reproducing them? If I still am having no luck, I may beg someone to let me remove theirs and take them to a fabrication shop to have them reproduced. I'm thinking Todd Bermudez or Sterrett Smith may good resources to help solve a problem such as this given their past efforts around sourcing surrey tops. Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered. Andy CD6746L HVDA From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 05:13:42 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Surrey top (backlight) side window seals Message-ID: <631810.99285.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Andy, Uh Sterrett sold his car... That strip you're talkin' about would've been installed on a TR4. I'm not so sure they were installed on the TR5/TR250, but I would say having that channel and seal installed will help make a better wind/water barrier. I don't know exactly where to source this bit, but I do have a set one of my back lights I could remove. I bet you could use some channel from a TR4 as well. The TR4s had channel going from the top of the A-Post to the top of the B-Post. A single rubber seal was installed. Cheers, Todd --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Andrew Packard wrote: > From: Andrew Packard > Subject: [6pack] Surrey top (backlight) side window seals > To: TTSCC at yahoogroups.com, 6pack at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:17 AM > Hi everyone: > > Straight up from the B-pillar on the surrey top backlight, > there is supposed > to be a strip of rubber trim to help seal the rear of the > door windows when > closed. The rubber strip is to be held in place by > steel channels > dovetail-style with the beveled side of the rubber > slid/pressed into the > channel. It is very similar to how the front seal of > the convertible top is > held in place. When I bought my surrey top, the side > channels were not > present and are NLA at the suppliers. I haven't tried > Rimmer Bros, so maybe > they are an option. > > > > Does anyone have any of these channels or have they had any > success > reproducing them? If I still am having no luck, I may > beg someone to let me > remove theirs and take them to a fabrication shop to have > them reproduced. > I'm thinking Todd Bermudez or Sterrett Smith may good > resources to help > solve a problem such as this given their past efforts > around sourcing surrey > tops. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered. > > > > Andy > > CD6746L HVDA > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as red_tr250 at yahoo.com From rpeglow at optonline.net Thu Mar 19 09:32:23 2009 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:32:23 -0800 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Clutch Master cylinder (.70 vs .75) References: <195168.21319.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006501c9679f$7e75cc40$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Message-ID: <005b01c9a8b0$48410160$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Hello List, I'm back. After cleaning up some previous paint damage and acquiring the necessary parts I will be re-assembling my clutch hydraulics. I rebuilt the .70 master cylinder and purchased the "long throw" slave from BP Northwest. I have a new solid pipe and the braided stainless flex tube finished off with a speed bleeder and going with DOT 5. The question...what should I use regarding thread-lock on the pipe connections? Seems there must have been something used originally as it bubbled out when using heat to get the male-to-male connector apart. Thank you. Regards, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "6pack List" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [6pack] TR6 Clutch Master cylinder (.70 vs .75) > Hello List, > I have read (somewhere?) that the earlier master cylinders (,75) vs. later > (.70) provide greater throw or ease of operation. > Is this true and a viable reason to use a .75 in a 1970? I'd like to give my > left knee all the consideration possible. :~) > Thank you. > Regards, > Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11990 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From vance.navarrette at intel.com Thu Mar 19 09:24:33 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:24:33 -0700 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Clutch Master cylinder (.70 vs .75) In-Reply-To: <005b01c9a8b0$48410160$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> References: <195168.21319.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006501c9679f$7e75cc40$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> <005b01c9a8b0$48410160$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A887C0@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Bob: I did not notice any such sealant when I replaced the brake lines on my '74. Is it possible it was merely brake fluid, perhaps with a bit of absorbed moisture? Brake fluid will boil if you get it hot enough (400-500 degrees?) The 0.70 master will get you a longer throw at the slave, albeit at the expense of some increased pedal effort. I have concluded that if you want a lighter clutch pedal, the best solution is to get the proper pressure plate. According to Roger Williams, many TR6s ended up with the incorrect Borg and Beck pressure plate after B&B discontinued the original part number. The original B&B was the so called "yellow spot" which had a similar clamping pressure to the Laycock. The yellow spot refers to the splash of paint that B&B applied to the pressure plate to give a visual indication of the clamping force. When yellow was discontinued, apparently the "green spot" pressure plate was substituted widely, when in fact the "blue spot" was a much better match. The yellow spot had the lightest pedal, followed by the blue spot. Apparently the green spot is a significant step up in clamping pressure, leading to high pedal effort. It should also be mentioned that the higher the pedal pressure, the more wear you put on the thrust washers, so a green spot may cause premature failures(?). Anyway, I used a NOS yellow spot on my TR6, and I was told by my LBC mechanic that it was the lightest TR6 clutch pedal he could remember. All I know is that it has worked flawlessly for the last 4 years (admittedly the mileage has been low, I only drive it in fair weather). One other thought - could a high clamping pressure contribute to clutch disk sticking? Dunno.... You won't regret going with DOT5. It works great, and no paint damage. Bleeding it is a challenge, however. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:32 AM To: 6pack List Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Clutch Master cylinder (.70 vs .75) Hello List, The question...what should I use regarding thread-lock on the pipe connections? Seems there must have been something used originally as it bubbled out when using heat to get the male-to-male connector apart. Thank you. Regards, Bob From tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 10:06:11 2009 From: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net (Tomislav Marincic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:06:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Alternator quandry Message-ID: <380-22009341917611937@earthlink.net> Hello, Through some further stupidity on my part, I've wound up with an alternator intended for a MGB, '78-80, instead of a TR6, 1974... Both are Lucas ACR18 types, both rotate the same direction, both are internally regulated, both have 3-terminal connections, both mount the same, etc. However, no catalog lists the same alternator for these two applications. (TR6's call for remanufactured Lucas A1811 or 1817, MGB's for Lucas A1812 or 1816). Can I safely assume that the differences are down to terminal orientation, pulley size, and subtle difference in output, or can there be some sort of "cosmic" internal difference? Also, I'm converting from 5-terminal to 3-terminal wiring. If I understand all the various online instructions correctly, will there be only 2 wires in the final connection (large brown-white positive lead, small brown-yellow indicating lead)? Moss says to remove the loop wire, and fold the solid-brown and black wires back into the harness. That leaves just 2 wires connected to the alternator. Thanks, Tom (4 years into a 2-year restoration) From stan.foster at hp.com Thu Mar 19 10:44:37 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:44:37 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Alternator quandry In-Reply-To: <380-22009341917611937@earthlink.net> References: <380-22009341917611937@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294290936D9@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Tom, I don't have any insight to offer re the MGB vs TR models but I believe you are correct that with an internally regulated alternator you only need two wires (one to the battery, one to the dash lamp) and that the third battery sense wire is optional. My Bosch alternator actually uses that terminal for a noise suppression capacitor but I have seen people connect the TR6 sense wire to it also. There probably is a difference but I elected to not to connect that wire and have had no issues in over a year with the two wire configuration. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tomislav Marincic Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:06 PM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Alternator quandry Hello, Through some further stupidity on my part, I've wound up with an alternator intended for a MGB, '78-80, instead of a TR6, 1974... Both are Lucas ACR18 types, both rotate the same direction, both are internally regulated, both have 3-terminal connections, both mount the same, etc. However, no catalog lists the same alternator for these two applications. (TR6's call for remanufactured Lucas A1811 or 1817, MGB's for Lucas A1812 or 1816). Can I safely assume that the differences are down to terminal orientation, pulley size, and subtle difference in output, or can there be some sort of "cosmic" internal difference? Also, I'm converting from 5-terminal to 3-terminal wiring. If I understand all the various online instructions correctly, will there be only 2 wires in the final connection (large brown-white positive lead, small brown-yellow indicating lead)? Moss says to remove the loop wire, and fold the solid-brown and black wires back into the harness. That leaves just 2 wires connected to the alternator. Thanks, Tom (4 years into a 2-year restoration) From tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 10:51:33 2009 From: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net (Tomislav Marincic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:51:33 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Alternator quandry Message-ID: <380-2200934191751330@earthlink.net> Vance, Thanks for the quick reply. I have Dan Masters' book, and on page 157 he says to connect the alternator with three wires. I also downloaded some instructions from Moss Motors (http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/PDF/540-280.pdf) that say to use just 2 wires. When you mention "I miswired the original and blew it up", you are addressing my biggest concern. If I fry my new wiring harness, I'm going to soak the car with gasoline and immolate myself in it like a protesting Zen monk. How many wires do you other guys have in your 3-terminal plugs? I assume everyone has the big brown-white wire and the smaller brown-yellow, but is the small solid-brown necessary or not? Thanks, Tom > [Original Message] > From: Navarrette, Vance > To: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net > Date: 3/19/2009 1:32:24 PM > Subject: RE: [6pack] Alternator quandry > > Tom: > > The differences come down to connectors and pulleys. > > I think you will find that if you pop the rear cover off the old and new alternators, you will see that they are identical. When I replaced my alternator last time (I miswired the original and blew it up - can't blame that one on the prince of darkness. Drat!) The replacement had the 3 wire connection instead of 4 (I think that is the number of wires. Maybe it was two instead of three...?). Being a wack job for originality for the most part, I was ready to ask for another one. The parts guy popped the back cover off on the spot, pointed to where the missing terminal was supposed to attach. He moved the terminal over from my old one, swapped the rear covers, and everything was fine. Go figure. > The core charge for my old alternator was $1. Apparently they do not get much call for the old Lucas stuff anymore. Sigh. > > Vance Navarrette > Cogito Ergo Zoom > I think, therefore I go fast > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tomislav Marincic > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:06 AM > To: 6pack > Subject: [6pack] Alternator quandry > > Hello, > > Through some further stupidity on my part, I've wound up with an alternator intended for a MGB, '78-80, instead of a TR6, 1974... > > Both are Lucas ACR18 types, both rotate the same direction, both are internally regulated, both have 3-terminal connections, both mount the same, etc. However, no catalog lists the same alternator for these two applications. (TR6's call for remanufactured Lucas A1811 or 1817, MGB's for Lucas A1812 or 1816). > > Can I safely assume that the differences are down to terminal orientation, pulley size, and subtle difference in output, or can there be some sort of "cosmic" internal difference? > > > > Thanks, Tom (4 years into a 2-year restoration) From dncullig at us.ibm.com Thu Mar 19 11:00:30 2009 From: dncullig at us.ibm.com (Dennis N Culligan) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:00:30 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells Message-ID: John Macartney wrote: >Hey, perhaps I ought to arrange to have relays of freshly caught fish >to keep in the TTACD Stag this year? Jonmac - We can probably get some Quadricentennial (*) striped bass from the Hudson River for your trip through the Mid-Hudson Valley. Dennis Culligan / Brits of the Hudson (*) 2009 is the Quadricentennial of Henrik Hudson's trip up the Hudson River. (www.hudson400.com) From jmerone at rocketmail.com Thu Mar 19 11:43:09 2009 From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Our 400 beats your 400 Message-ID: <853383.63204.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dennis Culligan said: (*) 2009 is the Quadricentennial of Henrik Hudson's trip up the Hudson River. (www.hudson400.com) 2009 is also the 400th anniversay of Samuel de Champlain's historic arrival and "discovery" of Lake Champlain. www.celebratechamplain.org Joe Merone South Burlington, VT CF18928 5-speed From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Thu Mar 19 12:07:36 2009 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:07:36 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Our 400 beats your 400 In-Reply-To: <853383.63204.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <853383.63204.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c9a8c6$07cb8860$17629920$@edu> Well, let's see. In 1609, Santa Fe was the capital of New Mexico (then still part of Mexico), there was a highway from Mexico City to Santa Fe (El Camino Real de Tierra Adentro del Norte) [the Royal Road to the Interior Land to the North]. The new capital building was being finished (started in 1608) (still standing, a National Park), and there was a nice hotel, still open and operating.... Kevin Las Cruces, NM CC82183U -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Merone Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:43 PM To: dncullig at us.ibm.com; 6 Pack list Subject: [6pack] Our 400 beats your 400 Dennis Culligan said: (*) 2009 is the Quadricentennial of Henrik Hudson's trip up the Hudson River. (www.hudson400.com) 2009 is also the 400th anniversay of Samuel de Champlain's historic arrival and "discovery" of Lake Champlain. www.celebratechamplain.org Joe Merone South Burlington, VT CF18928 5-speed 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From sakirsis at consolidated.net Thu Mar 19 15:14:19 2009 From: sakirsis at consolidated.net (Steve Kirsis) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:14:19 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Felt Undercovering Message-ID: I have just finished up the new carpet and Jute under- felt and I have to Laugh as you boys Have got me smelling it and applying oil to some remnants. An hour later and it still smells like---- Marvel Mystery Oil. This was part of my winter J-Type OD project which went very well. My 3rd OD install in my career and I'm finally getting good. Steve Kirsis, '70 and '75 TR 6's now both with OD. From peterschop at aol.com Thu Mar 19 16:38:40 2009 From: peterschop at aol.com (peterschop at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:38:40 -0400 Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction Message-ID: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> I am bolting my trans to the engine on my six with the engine out of the car. Which way do the bolts face? Are the heads on the trans side?or the engine side or does it matter? Thanks, Peter Schoppelry From acekraut11 at aol.com Thu Mar 19 16:42:23 2009 From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:42:23 -0400 Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction In-Reply-To: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB77037CAFAC20-448-1E9B@webmail-md12.sysops.aol.com> Engine side for mine.? It was easier to put the nuts on the bolts inside the car rather than the other way around for me. -----Original Message----- From: peterschop at aol.com To: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 7:38 pm Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction I am bolting my trans to the engine on my six with the engine out of the car. Which way do the bolts face? Are the heads on the trans side?or the engine side or does it matter? Thanks, Peter Schoppelry 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as acekraut11 at aol.com From stan.foster at hp.com Thu Mar 19 16:42:13 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:42:13 +0000 Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction In-Reply-To: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72942984F928@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> I think the convention is to have the bolts inserted from the engine side although I'm struggling to think why that would make any difference other than perhaps easier to wield a spanner on the nut inside the tub than in the engine bay. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of peterschop at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:39 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction I am bolting my trans to the engine on my six with the engine out of the car. Which way do the bolts face? Are the heads on the trans side?or the engine side or does it matter? Thanks, Peter Schoppelry From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Mar 19 17:28:16 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:28:16 -0400 Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction In-Reply-To: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1FA02754DDDA4DA298DF019FADE52252@BOBSNEWPC> The bolts went in from the engine side for me. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of peterschop at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:39 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction I am bolting my trans to the engine on my six with the engine out of the car. Which way do the bolts face? Are the heads on the trans side?or the engine side or does it matter? Thanks, Peter Schoppelry 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From jmitch at snet.net Thu Mar 19 17:44:36 2009 From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:44:36 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Felt Undercovering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C2E6F4.8030901@snet.net> I think it's water and probably some mold growth that gives it the correct odor. John Mitchell Steve Kirsis wrote: > I have just finished up the new carpet and Jute under- felt and I have to > Laugh as you boys Have got me smelling it and applying oil to some remnants. > An hour later and it still smells like---- Marvel Mystery Oil. This was part > of my winter J-Type OD project which went very well. My 3rd OD install in my > career and I'm finally getting good. Steve Kirsis, '70 and '75 TR 6's now both > with OD. > _______________________________________________ From vance.navarrette at intel.com Fri Mar 20 06:54:18 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:54:18 -0700 Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction In-Reply-To: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A88CA1@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Peter: I don't think it matters, but the factory installed them with the head towards the engine. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of peterschop at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:39 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction I am bolting my trans to the engine on my six with the engine out of the car. Which way do the bolts face? Are the heads on the trans side?or the engine side or does it matter? Thanks, Peter Schoppelry From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Mar 20 09:51:57 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:51:57 -0000 Subject: [6pack] transmission bolt direction References: <8CB7702F7EAC78A-C50-1E82@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A88CA1@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <5C6B5C8592174A92BAD58479DE380C74@Bevan> > I don't think it matters, but the factory installed them with the head > towards the engine. Primarily because with the engine and gearbox as an assembly and sitting on rotating assembly cradle, it's far easier to tighten the nuts with an air-wrench from the gearbox side than from the engine side. Jonmac From trguy at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 20 13:20:06 2009 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:20:06 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Seat Rebuild 70-72 Model TR6 Message-ID: <000901c9a999$42b55400$c81ffc00$@rr.com> Listers: I have a brand new seat kit from TRF (vinyl and foam) and am ready to rebuild my 70-72 high back buckets. Apparently, TRF does not have any instructions from the manufacturer. Bob Danielson has great pics on his web site of the late model seat rebuild. Anyone have a resource for rebuilding the 70-72 seats? I documented the disassembly of the seats with lots of pics, but it would be helpful to see how these newer pieces go back together before I "give it my best shot." Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL 75 TR6 (soon to have 70-72 seats for those long runs up the blue ridge) From vance.navarrette at intel.com Fri Mar 20 13:34:27 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:34:27 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Seat Rebuild 70-72 Model TR6 In-Reply-To: <000901c9a999$42b55400$c81ffc00$@rr.com> References: <000901c9a999$42b55400$c81ffc00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A8900F@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Jim: Good instructions available on the Buckeye Triumphs web site: http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/Seats/ReupholsteringSeats.htm Cheers, Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:20 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Seat Rebuild 70-72 Model TR6 Listers: I have a brand new seat kit from TRF (vinyl and foam) and am ready to rebuild my 70-72 high back buckets. Apparently, TRF does not have any instructions from the manufacturer. Bob Danielson has great pics on his web site of the late model seat rebuild. Anyone have a resource for rebuilding the 70-72 seats? I documented the disassembly of the seats with lots of pics, but it would be helpful to see how these newer pieces go back together before I "give it my best shot." Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen From trguy at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 20 14:27:35 2009 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:27:35 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Seat Rebuild 70-72 Model TR6 In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A8900F@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <000901c9a999$42b55400$c81ffc00$@rr.com> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A8900F@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <001101c9a9a2$b04667d0$10d33770$@rr.com> Vance - thanks for the info. This helps, but I was hoping to see a redo of the early seats. Maybe I need to take some pics and post when finished (only if it looks good). Jim -----Original Message----- From: Navarrette, Vance [mailto:vance.navarrette at intel.com] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:34 PM To: James Henningsen; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [6pack] Seat Rebuild 70-72 Model TR6 Jim: Good instructions available on the Buckeye Triumphs web site: http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/Seats/ReupholsteringSeats.htm Cheers, Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:20 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Seat Rebuild 70-72 Model TR6 Listers: I have a brand new seat kit from TRF (vinyl and foam) and am ready to rebuild my 70-72 high back buckets. Apparently, TRF does not have any instructions from the manufacturer. Bob Danielson has great pics on his web site of the late model seat rebuild. Anyone have a resource for rebuilding the 70-72 seats? I documented the disassembly of the seats with lots of pics, but it would be helpful to see how these newer pieces go back together before I "give it my best shot." Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen From Darcy_Hunter at Instron.com Fri Mar 20 14:30:44 2009 From: Darcy_Hunter at Instron.com (Hunter, Darcy) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:30:44 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Underpad Message-ID: <2158B1B575A86C4FA812AAD3540F06027F867A84B9@USNorS37.instron.com> Steve, where did you get the underpad? Was it an actual jute and was it a 30oz or 40oz weight? Thanks Darcy Hunter No. Easton, MA '73 TR6 I have just finished up the new carpet and Jute under- felt and I have to Laugh as you boys Have got me smelling it and applying oil to some remnants. An hour later and it still smells like---- Marvel Mystery Oil. This was part of my winter J-Type OD project which went very well. My 3rd OD install in my career and I'm finally getting good. Steve Kirsis, '70 and '75 TR 6's now both with OD. From apackard68 at att.net Sat Mar 21 09:30:05 2009 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:30:05 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Surrey top retainer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <934288.16930.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone: I received a couple responses from the list about my surrey top sealing issue. Randy below provided the best answer and I ordered two pieces from TRF on Thursday. I let the group know how it works out. Andy _____ From: Randy&Val DeRuiter [mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:05 AM To: apackard68 at att.net Subject: Surrey top retainer Hi Andy- Saw your note on the 6pack list. I'm not an active lister, but I have a TR4 with a surrey top I'm refinishing. The retainer is the same as the channel on the body of a TR4. Roadster Factory has sections that I think would work for you: PN 750163, about $5 each. Its the same part number as for that part with Moss Europe, so it should be correct. Randy _____ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. Check it out. From triumph at 2simpleusa.com Wed Mar 18 16:54:54 2009 From: triumph at 2simpleusa.com (Tony Gordon) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:54:54 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells References: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E00F12@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com><65a0cf8b7827d.49bff117@wright.edu><040DFB41D2F04FCBBA87DC96747E533A@Bevan><4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795752E85F58@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Great Lakes fish can barely raise a whiff of smell ... the mercury levels keeps the odor at bay (very useful if you loose a temp gauge), although the fairly common two headed variety (PCBs and dioxins go that I understand from a great authority) will make people you meet smile I'm sure .... ************************************** Tony Gordon 72 TR6 In the middle of the Great Lakes! ************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "Navarrette, Vance" Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Authentic LBC smells > Hey, perhaps I ought to arrange to have relays of freshly caught fish to > keep in the TTACD Stag this year? Are the Great Lakes noted for some > particularly smelly ones? > Jonmac > > > Jonmac: > I wish you had not posted this. Now EVERYONE knows how to give their car > that special something for a concours judging. Drat. > Vance > > > So if you seek a genuine Triumph LBC smell, never go anywhere without a > raw fish somewhere in the cockpit. Do the Concours Judges have this piece > of information to ensure cars are truly 'original'? > Jonmac > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as triumph at 2simpleusa.com From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sun Mar 22 06:12:40 2009 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:12:40 -0400 Subject: [6pack] 72 steering lock Message-ID: <200903220912.40666.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Hello, I was removing the dash and components yesterday and came to the steering lock and was stumped to find a way to remove the 2 screws. It appears they were installed by the factory and then had the "head" removed as a security precaution. I guess they never thought the lock would be removed. So I thought a few minutes and figured out the only way to remove the screws was to cut a grove with a Dremmel. This worked but has anyone else tried another method? I doubt it is worth covering up the new slot with some bondo when I re-install the lock since if someone wants go steal the car, all they have to do is load it up on a trailer. Bob From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sun Mar 22 06:24:31 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:24:31 -0000 Subject: [6pack] 72 steering lock References: <200903220912.40666.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: > I was removing the dash and components yesterday and came to the steering lock > and was stumped to find a way to remove the 2 screws. It appears they were > installed by the factory and then had the "head" removed as a security > precaution. > I guess they never thought the lock would be removed. Primarily Bob, the idea was to make it as difficult as possible to remove the lock at all! That's why the bolts holding it in place had shear-off heads when a specific level of torque was applied. Jonmac From grant at bowtie6.com Sun Mar 22 06:44:12 2009 From: grant at bowtie6.com (Joseph Grant) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:44:12 -0400 Subject: [6pack] 72 steering lock In-Reply-To: <200903220912.40666.yellowtr@adelphia.net> References: <200903220912.40666.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <000001c9aaf4$492f2b60$db8d8220$@com> The bolts on the ignition module on Series III Jaguar saloons use the exact same idea (a shearable bolt that basically breaks when being installed). I have taken the lock mechanism apart on my XJ6 and had to remove the bolts in the same manner you describe. I recall at the time, I was able to purchase new fasteners that included the specially designed head that would shear off after a certain amount of tightening force was applied. No bondo needed. Another idea is to go to your local Ace hardware store and see if you can find some button head hex bolts - they would work just fine. Joe '72 Triumph TR6 - CC77169 www.bowtie6.com From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu Sun Mar 22 09:50:24 2009 From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:50:24 -0700 Subject: [6pack] J-Type OD Test Run Message-ID: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C686@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> This past week I finished wiring the J-Type OD I installed in my 69. I couldn't wait any longer, so Thursday evening with a few minutes of daylight remaining, I bolted the driver's seat in with two bolts and sans a seat belt I ventured out onto our local back road for a test drive. I was just amazed all the gears actually worked, let alone the OD. I must say, it was a long one-second wait when I hit the OD lever. What a sweet feeling. I'm sure I was grinning ear to ear. It's amazing how much heat comes up through the opening around the gearbox. Felt pretty nice on a cool evening, but in the summer that would be brutal. I made sure I kept my body parts away from the whizzing u-joint; what a knuckle trimmer that would be. Mike Corvallis, OR From DLylis at aol.com Sun Mar 22 10:57:40 2009 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:57:40 EDT Subject: [6pack] J-Type OD Test Run Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/2009 12:50:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu writes: It's amazing how much heat comes up through the opening around the gearbox. Make note of that when you insulate it! David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From jzagami at si.rr.com Sun Mar 22 13:14:38 2009 From: jzagami at si.rr.com (joseph zagami) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:14:38 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Seat Rebuild 70-72 Model TR6 Message-ID: <26878F922E214C7486EA4E2EB3A6A379@Bigboy> James, I did the seats (highback)for my 71 Tr using the Trf kit. I found the Vb interior instructions somewhat helpful but the instructions in Roger Williams' "How to restore a Triumph Tr5, 250 & Tr6" more so ,even though he uses a 250 as an example. Being a compulsive fusspot as well as never having tackled upholstery before, the interior took forever and a day to complete. Some advice; use your teardown as templates; take loads of pictures; fit refit and refit and refit yet again until you are satisfied ,before taking snips at the material; take your time as this is a job that teaches patience. I can send you pics of my teardown and completion if you wish. Good Luck, Joseph Zagami From bratt at sasktel.net Sun Mar 22 21:12:29 2009 From: bratt at sasktel.net (ed) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:12:29 -0600 Subject: [6pack] J-Type OD Test Run References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C686@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <032801c9ab6d$95360460$6401a8c0@willhuq4x0qsgd> Mike: Not too safe to mess around with any unprotected ujoints. I have a friend who can tell you about the importance of avoiding spining u-joints. He was working a saw driven by a PTO on a small tractor, about 25 hp., and walked too close to a spinning ujoint. In about 2 seconds, he was grabbed by the cloth sleeve of his coveralls, was spun, and then thrown clear--but, totally naked, and missing one arm. Now, if that isn't just so embarassing..........try a TR6 with 4 times the horsepower, and no clear path for the throw. Ed Bratt Regina, Saskatchewan 1976 Tr6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbitt, Michael" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [6pack] J-Type OD Test Run From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Mar 23 08:30:55 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:30:55 -0700 Subject: [6pack] J-Type OD Test Run In-Reply-To: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C686@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C686@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A89346@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Mike: Not only did you add big $$ to the value of your car, you can impress everyone by saying that you installed it yourself! And the cruising RPM makes top down driving even better. Now, if I could just find a 100HP additive, and put it in my crankcase motor oil. What a rush! Vance -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Corbitt, Michael Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:50 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] J-Type OD Test Run This past week I finished wiring the J-Type OD I installed in my 69. I couldn't wait any longer, so Thursday evening with a few minutes of daylight remaining, I bolted the driver's seat in with two bolts and sans a seat belt I ventured out onto our local back road for a test drive. I was just amazed all the gears actually worked, let alone the OD. I must say, it was a long one-second wait when I hit the OD lever. What a sweet feeling. I'm sure I was grinning ear to ear. Mike Corvallis, OR From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 23 09:06:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] More POWAH Message-ID: Hi, So, I strapped one of my cars on a dyno expecting "big numbers" or at the very least bigger numbers than what I had seen before. Assuming things like 12:1 compression and proper cam timing, I should def. see 150 fwhp and that should translate to maybe 130 at the wheels. I eventually got there (135.8 to the wheels), but less than what I really want. So, where did we go wrong? I took the motor apart a couple of weeks ago. Bear in mind that I need to start driving this car in a week or so from now. The "tradition" continues, e.g. Bob starts major car repair / improvement just before needing to use said vehicle. I think I like the excitement of the last-minute "gotta get 'er done" thing. At any rate, 12:1 should mean roughly 36 cc combustion chambers. Note - that includes the head gasket. Fearing that taking off too much head material, I cut the head to 3.315". That should have been 3.295 according to the TR6 Comp. Prep book. Turns out I was waaaaay too conservative. I measured the head w/o the gasket and I have 38cc chambers. Add the gasket (and factor out a tad due to the dome pistons), and we're close to 41cc chambers. Even with a .040 overbore, this is something like 10.4 or 10.5:1... So, I'm making the exact amount of power that I should be making considering all the parts of the system. Oh well. I'll put that motor back together and go to plan B which is to finish the other motor. That one is def. over 12:1!! In the words of H, Simpson... DOH! On the plus side, I def. don't need 110 octane fuel with what I have right now. :-) rml p.s. having a burrette is awesome. CC'ing the heads is a 20 min job and well worth it if you take the time. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jimmble at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 23 10:18:06 2009 From: jimmble at roadrunner.com (Jim Franks) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:18:06 -0400 Subject: [6pack] 1974 TR6 for sale Message-ID: <49C7C44E.4080205@roadrunner.com> I am selling a project car in NE Ohio if anyone is interested. Look in classifieds at the 6-pack site for more. $4900.00 http://www.6-pack.org/ http://home.roadrunner.com/~jimmble/index/1974_TR6.html Thanks, y'all! Jim Franks From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 20:40:30 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:40:30 -0500 Subject: [6pack] very OT - New Jersey Beaches Message-ID: <000901c9ac32$4a0147f0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local> strictly for those of you who either live there or btdt we are going to be in philadelphia, and then newton NJ (family cemetary) this summer - june - and we're looking for a family beach for a few days. did the ventnor thing before (and saw Lucy), and am looking for a nice family beach farther north. anyone have a recommendation? From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 00:01:53 2009 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:01:53 -0600 Subject: [6pack] TR6 transmission? In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A89346@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C686@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A89346@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: List, What should one expect to pay for a good condition 4 speed TR6 transmission these days? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Navarrette, Vance wrote: > Mike: > > Not only did you add big $$ to the value of your car, you can impress > everyone by saying that you installed it yourself! And the cruising > RPM makes > top down driving even better. > Now, if I could just find a 100HP additive, and put it in my > crankcase motor > oil. What a rush! > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net > ] On > Behalf Of Corbitt, Michael > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:50 AM > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [6pack] J-Type OD Test Run > > This past week I finished wiring the J-Type OD I installed in my > 69. I > couldn't wait any longer, so Thursday evening with a few minutes of > daylight > remaining, I bolted the driver's seat in with two bolts and sans a > seat belt > I > ventured out onto our local back road for a test drive. I was just > amazed > all > the gears actually worked, let alone the OD. I must say, it was a > long > one-second wait when I hit the OD lever. What a sweet feeling. I'm > sure I > was grinning ear to ear. > > Mike > > Corvallis, OR > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as levilevi at comcast.net From vance.navarrette at intel.com Tue Mar 24 07:20:39 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:20:39 -0700 Subject: [6pack] TR6 transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C686@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A89346@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D711D3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Bud: Depends on the mileage and condition of course, but I would guess no more than $300, with the low end being $150. Don't take my word for it, go to eBay and search the completed listings for TR6 transmissions, and see what they sell for. If I was going to swap transmissions, I would toss in an OD tranny. For $1500 you can get a rebuilt OD tranny that will add $3000 or more to the value of a car in otherwise good condition. So says my LBC mechanic. Cheers, Vance Vance Navarrette '74 Mimosa with overdrive -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:02 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] TR6 transmission? List, What should one expect to pay for a good condition 4 speed TR6 transmission these days? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From brian at asmoothmove.biz Tue Mar 24 07:50:55 2009 From: brian at asmoothmove.biz (brian at asmoothmove.biz) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:50:55 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 transmission? In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D711D3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A471530052220215C686@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758A89346@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D711D3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <006201c9ac8f$effce940$cff6bbc0$@biz> I couldn't agree more. I "suffered" with the stock 4-speed until I got wise two years ago and added the O.D. It makes a big difference in engine noise at highway speeds and adds a couple of miles to each gallon used. Adding the wiring and relay is straightforward. I have my A-type set up so the OD works in 3rd and 4th. I could have it work in 2nd as well! If you can swing it, add the OD. Brian J. Alwin 72 TR6 CC79085 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Navarrette, Vance Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:21 AM To: Bud Rolofson; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 transmission? Bud: Depends on the mileage and condition of course, but I would guess no more than $300, with the low end being $150. Don't take my word for it, go to eBay and search the completed listings for TR6 transmissions, and see what they sell for. If I was going to swap transmissions, I would toss in an OD tranny. For $1500 you can get a rebuilt OD tranny that will add $3000 or more to the value of a car in otherwise good condition. So says my LBC mechanic. Cheers, Vance Vance Navarrette '74 Mimosa with overdrive -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:02 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] TR6 transmission? List, What should one expect to pay for a good condition 4 speed TR6 transmission these days? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as brian at asmoothmove.biz From fishplate at charter.net Tue Mar 24 09:48:47 2009 From: fishplate at charter.net (fishplate at charter.net) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:48:47 -0400 Subject: [6pack] [TR] TR6 transmission? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090324124847.NNDVA.46650.root@mp05> ---- Bud Rolofson wrote: > List, > > What should one expect to pay for a good condition 4 speed TR6 > transmission these days? Depends. Are you selling it to me, or buying it from me? I've always used eBay completed auctions to get an idea of whatt hings are worth... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. From jsvannorman at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:54:35 2009 From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:54:35 -0400 Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse Message-ID: I was working with my father on his 1974 1/2 TR6 this weekend. We finally got her up and running after an extended hibernation for some restoration work. After she fired up, we noticed that all the components running on the green wire (the turn signals,windshield wipers, fuel and temperature gauge, etc.) were dead. After some detective work with the help of Dan Master's excellent book and a handful of blown fuses, we discovered that whenever we turn on the heater fan, regardless of whether there are any other green-wire components running, it blows the fuse within a matter of seconds. I doubt it was the fuse rating on the fuses we were using. It is supposed to use a 35 amp British fuse and we were using 20 amp American / Standard fuses. And at one time even tried a 35 amp American / Standard fuse and it blew that too. So it seems to me that either the heater fan or the heater fan switch is drawing too much current. But how would that be possible? Also, we had all the gauges off during our hibernation work - is it possible that we could have hooked the heater fan switch backwards (but would that even make a difference?). John V. From tr6taylor at webtv.net Tue Mar 24 12:02:51 2009 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:02:51 GMT Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse Message-ID: John V.---Using Dan Masters schematics, check that the three heater wires go to the correct terminal. (Tthe high and low speed wires are interchangeable, which only makes the pull-out different). If the hot and ground wires are correct, it would seem that the heater motor itself doesn't want to turn, blowing the fuse. Dick -----Original Message----- From: John VanNorman Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:54 AM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse I was working with my father on his 1974 1/2 TR6 this weekend. We finally got her up and running after an extended hibernation for some restoration work. After she fired up, we noticed that all the components running on the green wire (the turn signals,windshield wipers, fuel and temperature gauge, etc.) were dead. After some detective work with the help of Dan Master's excellent book and a handful of blown fuses, we discovered that whenever we turn on the heater fan, regardless of whether there are any other green-wire components running, it blows the fuse within a matter of seconds. I doubt it was the fuse rating on the fuses we were using. It is supposed to use a 35 amp British fuse and we were using 20 amp American / Standard fuses. And at one time even tried a 35 amp American / Standard fuse and it blew that too. So it seems to me that either the heater fan or the heater fan switch is drawing too much current. But how would that be possible? Also, we had all the gauges off during our hibernation work - is it possible that we could have hooked the heater fan switch backwards (but would that even make a difference?). John V. 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From TR250Driver at aol.com Tue Mar 24 15:47:43 2009 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:47:43 EDT Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse Message-ID: John, Went thru all that for a number of years with my 71 TR6. It turned out to be a problem with the installation of the switch itself which grounded one of the wires and blew the fuse every time it was switched on. Darrell **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From vance.navarrette at intel.com Tue Mar 24 16:15:03 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:15:03 -0700 Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D7168A@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> John: Does the fuse blow on high speed, low speed or both? You need not toast more fuses. Pull the fuse in question, and check the resistance between the heater side of the fuse clip and ground with the fan "ON". The ignition key should be in the off position while doing this test, the transmission should be in first gear and the wipers should be off. This will disable all the other circuits except the heater. Flip the heater between both speeds. Does the resistance change by more than 1 ohm? 1. Yes - it toggles between a few ohms and almost zero. Leave the fan speed switch in the high resistance position, replace the fuse, and switch the ignition to the accessory position. What happens? The fan does not turn at all: The fan motor is shorted or perhaps seized. The fan runs at high speed: GRN/YLW wire from switch is shorted to ground. The fan runs at a low speed: GRN/BRN wire from switch is shorted to ground. 2. No - The resistance changes by less than 1 ohm. The switch is bad, or miswired. A seized fan motor would not be uncommon, and can be repaired. The car is 30 years old, and the motor shaft is mild steel, so it is prone to corrosion. Also, in 30 years the motor lube probably dried up as well. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John VanNorman Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:55 AM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse So it seems to me that either the heater fan or the heater fan switch is drawing too much current. But how would that be possible? Also, we had all the gauges off during our hibernation work - is it possible that we could have hooked the heater fan switch backwards (but would that even make a difference?). John V. From rpeglow at optonline.net Tue Mar 24 20:18:41 2009 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:18:41 -0800 Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse References: Message-ID: <00d101c9acf8$662f90f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Hi John, See attached part of wiring diagram for 1971 in Clifton's Repair manual. The green should have 12volts when the ignition is on. To eliminate the switch with all wires disconnected (from the switch) except ground on fan motor: Touch green to green/brown or green/yellow and the fan motor should run with the ignition switch on. Or, touch 12v from the battery to green/brown or green/yellow and fan motor should run. If it runs then the motor should be OK, problem in switch or wiring. Good luck. Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12030 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/x-bmp which had a name of 71TR6Fan.bmp] From stan.foster at hp.com Tue Mar 24 16:44:54 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:44:54 +0000 Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse In-Reply-To: <00d101c9acf8$662f90f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> References: <00d101c9acf8$662f90f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294298500C2@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Bob, you got de-mimed by the autox mailer, it strips out anything that is not plain text, 3k characters or less. For an online copy of the wiring diagrams our friends at Advance Autowire still publish them online, click on Stock Schematics in the left nav column. http://www.advanceautowire.com/ Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:19 PM To: John VanNorman Cc: 6-Pack Subject: Re: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse Hi John, See attached part of wiring diagram for 1971 in Clifton's Repair manual. The green should have 12volts when the ignition is on. To eliminate the switch with all wires disconnected (from the switch) except ground on fan motor: Touch green to green/brown or green/yellow and the fan motor should run with the ignition switch on. Or, touch 12v from the battery to green/brown or green/yellow and fan motor should run. If it runs then the motor should be OK, problem in switch or wiring. Good luck. Bob From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Tue Mar 24 17:04:22 2009 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:04:22 -0600 Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294298500C2@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00d101c9acf8$662f90f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294298500C2@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <000b01c9acdd$4ff58490$efe08db0$@edu> Ummmmm, >From beautiful Las Cruces, New Mexico, where it freezes about twice each year, where we can drive topless every single month... HEATER? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING HEATER! Kevin K5KMC CC82183U -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Foster, Stan (HP IT) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:45 PM To: Bob; John VanNorman Cc: 6-Pack Subject: Re: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse Bob, you got de-mimed by the autox mailer, it strips out anything that is not plain text, 3k characters or less. For an online copy of the wiring diagrams our friends at Advance Autowire still publish them online, click on Stock Schematics in the left nav column. http://www.advanceautowire.com/ Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:19 PM To: John VanNorman Cc: 6-Pack Subject: Re: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse Hi John, See attached part of wiring diagram for 1971 in Clifton's Repair manual. The green should have 12volts when the ignition is on. To eliminate the switch with all wires disconnected (from the switch) except ground on fan motor: Touch green to green/brown or green/yellow and the fan motor should run with the ignition switch on. Or, touch 12v from the battery to green/brown or green/yellow and fan motor should run. If it runs then the motor should be OK, problem in switch or wiring. Good luck. Bob 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From jsvannorman at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 17:12:27 2009 From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:12:27 -0400 Subject: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse In-Reply-To: <000b01c9acdd$4ff58490$efe08db0$@edu> References: <00d101c9acf8$662f90f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294298500C2@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> <000b01c9acdd$4ff58490$efe08db0$@edu> Message-ID: Once again, thanks to everyone for their advice - except Kevin! Actually, if the women drive like that every single month, maybe I need to move to New Mexico. John On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Kevin McNelis wrote: > Ummmmm, > > From beautiful Las Cruces, New Mexico, where it freezes about twice each > year, where we can drive topless every single month... > > HEATER? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING HEATER! > > Kevin > K5KMC > CC82183U > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Foster, Stan (HP IT) > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:45 PM > To: Bob; John VanNorman > Cc: 6-Pack > Subject: Re: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse > > Bob, you got de-mimed by the autox mailer, it strips out anything that is > not > plain text, 3k characters or less. For an online copy of the wiring > diagrams > our friends at Advance Autowire still publish them online, click on Stock > Schematics in the left nav column. > > http://www.advanceautowire.com/ > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:19 PM > To: John VanNorman > Cc: 6-Pack > Subject: Re: [6pack] heater fan blowing fuse > > Hi John, > See attached part of wiring diagram for 1971 in Clifton's Repair manual. > The green should have 12volts when the ignition is on. > To eliminate the switch with all wires disconnected (from the switch) > except > ground on fan motor: > Touch green to green/brown or green/yellow and the fan motor should run > with > the ignition switch on. > Or, touch 12v from the battery to green/brown or green/yellow and fan motor > should run. > If it runs then the motor should be OK, problem in switch or wiring. > Good luck. > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From TR250Driver at aol.com Tue Mar 24 18:15:09 2009 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:15:09 EDT Subject: [6pack] 60 spoke wires + Redlines offered Message-ID: HI, I have 5 painted, 60 spoke wires with Michelin Redlines mounted taking up space in the garage. Four of the wheels are Dayton Brand and I believe one that I used as a spare is an original. The four tires on the Dayton's are used reproduction Michelins not worn out but at least 8 years old. I will sell them big time cheap but you must pick them up in Akron, OH or convince me to ship them by truck, etc to you. Ran them on my TR250 for years but now I have a restored car and a new set of wheels and redline tires. If interested please contact me off List, Darrell **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From cbhlouky at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 24 18:26:33 2009 From: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:26:33 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Fw: British Bash car show Message-ID: <4CDCFB43B05649EC910919FD1C90D329@home9cmfx9peca> Mark your calendars!! June 5th and 6th in Louisville, Kentucky The 25th annual British Bash all British car show!! Friday evening Cruise and fun. Car display, Live Music, Beer Garden, Ice cream, Kiddie Bounces Saturday car show with over 30 classes, vendors, CAR RAFFLE / 1970 Spitfire, door prizes, Food, Beer Garden, Ice cream, Kiddie bounces, after show cruise. www.britishbash.com for more details!! Thanks, Craig Holmes 2009 Bash coordinator cbhlouky at bellsouth.net From im_sloane at hotmail.com Wed Mar 25 03:52:51 2009 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:52:51 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Fw: British Bash car show In-Reply-To: <4CDCFB43B05649EC910919FD1C90D329@home9cmfx9peca> References: <4CDCFB43B05649EC910919FD1C90D329@home9cmfx9peca> Message-ID: It's that time of year!! Also, mark your calendars for the Triumph Club of the Carolina's annual event, 'The Gathering', April 17-18-19 at Sheldon Vineyards in Dobson, NC. Friday there is a Blue Ridge Foothills Tour driving event, Saturday is the Car Show, and Sunday morning an Autocross event (the most fun I've ever had in my Six). Go to www.triumphclub.org for more info. Sloane :) 69'Six _________________________________________________________________ Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A From Ron.Landis at kentcountymi.gov Wed Mar 25 05:57:13 2009 From: Ron.Landis at kentcountymi.gov (Ron Landis) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:57:13 -0400 Subject: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 3, Issue 98 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C9F1E8.3505.0045.0@kentcountymi.gov> Darrell I will be going to Canton Ohio this weekend from Grand Rapids, MI So if there is someone between here and there that would want your wheels I could stop by and pick them up. Also where are you located? Maybe we could grab a coffee or beer and I could see your 250. I have a 250 also. My cell number is (616) 299-0540 Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Landis, Director Engineering/Utility Services Division Dept. of Public Works - Kent County, MI PH 616-336-4370 FX 616-336-3338 Cell 616-299-0540 ********************************************************************* This message has been prepared on resources owned by Kent County, MI. It is subject to the Acceptable Use Policy of Kent County. From jmerone at rocketmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:09:23 2009 From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] TR6 Transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53084.78865.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with those who say that a used 4-speed is worth no more than $100 tops. When I switched to a 5-speed TR6 in 2007 I gave away my old transmission (via a posting on this list) to whoever would come and get it, and was happy to do so. Joe Merone South Burlington, VT CF18928 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 25 13:55:39 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] TR6 Transmission In-Reply-To: <53084.78865.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <53084.78865.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Joe Merone wrote: > I agree with those who say that a used 4-speed is worth no more than $100 > tops. When I switched to a 5-speed TR6 in 2007 I gave away my old > transmission (via a posting on this list) to whoever would come and get it, > and was happy to do so. If you're in the Boston area and you want to give away any TR6 trannies, feel free to drop me a line. I pick-up. :-) Boston is defined as within 120 miles or so as the crow flies. > Joe Merone > South Burlington, VT > CF18928 rml TR6's --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 14:17:45 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] TR6 Transmission Message-ID: <38529.17718.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Joe, As far as worth...what's it worth when you NEED a gearbox? It's worth what you're willing to pay....how desperate you are for something you can drop into your car. You might try to buy one for $100 and you might get a perfectly good one for that price. Then again, you might not? How much is your time worth to find out you have been sold a gearbox that requires a rebuild? All of a sudden, you have a lot of labor into something. What's the rebuild going to cost? Maybe cheaper to buy another one at 100? What's funny...if you're selling or storing in hopes of selling, you practically can't give them away. Cheers, Todd Bermudez TR250 '68 Overdrive Surrey TR250 '68 Overdrive Surrey TR6 '70 Overdrive Triumph 2000 '68 Overdrive GT6 MK1 RHD '68 Overdrive GT6 MK1 RHD '66 Overdrive --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Joe Merone wrote: > From: Joe Merone > Subject: [6pack] TR6 Transmission > To: triumphs at autox.team.net, "6 Pack list" <6pack at autox.team.net> > Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 4:09 PM > I agree with those who say that a > used 4-speed is worth no more than $100 > tops. When I switched to a 5-speed TR6 in 2007 I gave > away my old > transmission (via a posting on this list) to whoever would > come and get it, > and was happy to do so. > > Joe Merone > South Burlington, VT > CF18928 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as red_tr250 at yahoo.com From Btp44 at aol.com Wed Mar 25 14:48:44 2009 From: Btp44 at aol.com (Btp44 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:48:44 EDT Subject: [6pack] TR6 transmission? Message-ID: The next time anyone needs a input shaft, cluster gear, or other internals, check the prices of TRF or Moss. Some of the bits aren't even available new Then remember the trans. that was sold for $100. Berry Price **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From sbeaulieu at caci.com Wed Mar 25 16:10:13 2009 From: sbeaulieu at caci.com (Stephen Beaulieu) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:10:13 -0400 Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 03/25/2009 and will not return until 03/31/2009. I will respond to your message when I return. From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 21:34:03 2009 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:34:03 -0600 Subject: [6pack] TR6 transmission? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all who chipped on this question. There's been a wide range of prices and opinions offered as might be expected given the vagueness of the question. I was looking to sell the 4 speed transmission that came with my TR6 and had purportedly been rebuilt as the same time as the engine in early 1997. I replaced it with an OD transmission from my rustbucket TR6 parts car in 1998 so it didn't have a lot of miles on it as far as I knew and it was a good old rock solid TR6 transmission that had synchros good enough to up shift with out the clutch. The range was from: give it away to $450 by the way. But the comments about the parts in the tranny that are apparently made of "unobtanium" carried the day. Being a pack rat anyhow I was just looking for an excuse to hold on to the tranny so I guess i will keep it for the various parts that a few people ( such as Berry below) mentioned that are not available in the catalogs. Thanks Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Btp44 at aol.com wrote: > The next time anyone needs a input shaft, cluster gear, or other > internals, check the prices of TRF or Moss. Some of the bits aren't > even available new Then remember the trans. that was sold for $100. > Berry Price > > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 06:10:27 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:10:27 -0500 Subject: [6pack] latest issue References: Message-ID: <001d01c9ae14$3dd02580$6515a8c0@ranteer.local> Hi, all. i hope you all enjoyed the last issue of the 6 Pack magazine. i've been trying unsuccessfully to obtain some extra copies from the various personnel who put it out, but so far no luck. if any of you were going to toss it anyway, i'd appreciate getting your copy. i'd be happy to pay postage, etc. please contact me off list. thanks! From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 06:43:40 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] latest issue Message-ID: <211278.26038.qm@web43141.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Wow, you really are "hot to trot" about getting extra copies I guess I should've been more clear in my first response. We have extra copies mailed to us(membership), but they're mailed separately. Sometimes it takes an extra week to get them. Please be patient Todd former editor --- On Thu, 3/26/09, oliver wrote: > From: oliver > Subject: [6pack] latest issue > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 9:10 AM > Hi, all. > > i hope you all enjoyed the last issue of the 6 Pack > magazine. > > i've been trying unsuccessfully to obtain some extra copies > from the various personnel who put it out, but so far no > luck. if any of you were going to toss it anyway, i'd > appreciate getting your copy. i'd be happy to pay > postage, etc. > > please contact me off list. > > thanks! _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as red_tr250 at yahoo.com From vance.navarrette at intel.com Thu Mar 26 09:51:33 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:51:33 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Hardtop prices Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D71E32@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Folks: Just saw a factory hardtop go on eBay for $660. About what I paid for mine. Just an FYI in case anyone was considering a factory hard top for their car. They are available for reasonable $$$. Some things to look for: Glass is in good shape, stainless trim pieces are intact, minimal rust. Plan on replacing the headliner. Even if it is intact, you still must replace it. It will be extremely fragile (a light finger pressure will cause it to split) and the factory adhesive will have bled through the fabric. If by chance your fabric is not like tissue paper, I suppose you could simply paint it instead of replacing it. Plan on at least $100 for motor freight, too. It is too large to go UPS. eBay item: 170312764588 Cheers, Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Thu Mar 26 10:18:14 2009 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:18:14 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Hardtop prices In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D71E32@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D71E32@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <000601c9ae36$f2619c00$d724d400$@edu> Which brings up an interesting question, that I THINK I know the answer to... I have a '72 with the original hardtop, but because I live in southern New Mexico where it almost never rains, and rarely even gets below freezing, I never use it. So, thinking down the road to someday when I might decide to sell the car, would I get enough of a higher price with the hardtop included with the car to justify NOT selling the hardtop now? In other words, would I be better off getting $600 now, or would the inclusion of the hardtop with the car get me an extra $1,000 or so? Opine away! Kevin K5KMC CC82183U -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Navarrette, Vance Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:52 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Hardtop prices Folks: Just saw a factory hardtop go on eBay for $660. About what I paid for mine. Just an FYI in case anyone was considering a factory hard top for their car. They are available for reasonable $$$. Some things to look for: Glass is in good shape, stainless trim pieces are intact, minimal rust. Plan on replacing the headliner. Even if it is intact, you still must replace it. It will be extremely fragile (a light finger pressure will cause it to split) and the factory adhesive will have bled through the fabric. If by chance your fabric is not like tissue paper, I suppose you could simply paint it instead of replacing it. Plan on at least $100 for motor freight, too. It is too large to go UPS. eBay item: 170312764588 Cheers, Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 26 10:54:09 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Hardtop prices In-Reply-To: <000601c9ae36$f2619c00$d724d400$@edu> References: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D71E32@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> <000601c9ae36$f2619c00$d724d400$@edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Kevin McNelis wrote: > Which brings up an interesting question, that I THINK I know the answer > to... [stuff deleted] > So, thinking down the road to someday when I might decide to sell the car, > would I get enough of a higher price with the hardtop included with the car > to justify NOT selling the hardtop now? In other words, would I be better > off getting $600 now, or would the inclusion of the hardtop with the car get > me an extra $1,000 or so? I'm not a collector, so anything I say can be safely ignored. :-) >From the concours standpoint, if your car came from Coventry with a hardtop (or any other DOCUMENTED option) then keeping it will maintain the originality. If your car did NOT come with a hardtop (or O/D or whatever), having one may or may not increase the value if the car depending (of course) on the condition at the time of sale. The presence of those options shouldn't hurt the resale value, but if someone is buying an original car, then it should have all the original stuff. No more, no less. If the car didn't come with an option and that option is included in the sale, the car is by definition "over-restored". > Opine away! > > Kevin > K5KMC > CC82183U rml CR1871UO CF14111 Others that are mostly long gone --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vance.navarrette at intel.com Thu Mar 26 11:36:07 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:36:07 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Hardtop prices In-Reply-To: References: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758D71E32@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> <000601c9ae36$f2619c00$d724d400$@edu> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795758E262DF@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Folks: Here is what my LBC mechanic sez. He is also a licensed used car dealer (all British, of course) so he routinely sells cars and I think has a good sense of the market: > A nice clean hard top is probably worth $500-600 with or with out the car. > I have seen cars sell with > hard tops for up to $1000 more then cars with out however. > Thanks > Stan Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast From jsvannorman at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 12:34:17 2009 From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:34:17 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Hard top prices Message-ID: I've had my eyes open for a factory hardtop for the past two years now. The problem I keep having is my unwillingness to pay around $700 or so for the hardtop and shipping without being able to first look at the top in person to get a good look at the parts Vance points out. It seems that every top that comes up on eBay or other sources is a long trek from central Ohio. I guess at some point I'll just have to break down, unless one of my fellow Buckeye Triumph members with a hardtop would like to get rid of his! Actually, this does raise a question. As some of you guys may know, I'm 6 foot 5. I have absolutely no problem with my head hitting the convertible top when it is up. I'm assuming the hardtop has about the same amount of head room, but I may be wrong. None of the guys in the club have ever driven their 6 with the hardtop on while I've been around for me to test it out. John V. 1974 1/2 TR6 > Just saw a factory hardtop go on eBay for $660. About what I paid for > mine. > > Just an FYI in case anyone was considering a factory hard top for > their car. They are available for reasonable $$$. Some things to look for: > Glass is in good shape, stainless trim pieces are intact, minimal rust. Plan > on replacing the headliner. Even if it is intact, you still must replace it. > It will be extremely fragile (a light finger pressure will cause it to split) > and the factory adhesive will have bled through the fabric. If by chance your > fabric is not like tissue paper, I suppose you could simply paint it instead > of replacing it. > Plan on at least $100 for motor freight, too. It is too large to go > UPS. From wayne at motorcarriage.com Thu Mar 26 14:01:49 2009 From: wayne at motorcarriage.com (Wayne Lee) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:01:49 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Hard top prices Message-ID: Hi John, My 75 has it's original Hardtop, which I didn't even take off last summer because of slacking off having my new Robbins Top put on by someone who does it everyday. I took out the TR6 for the first time this year this past weekend before last. The poor thing had to stay outside over the winter (which I wouldn't do with the Softtop) and get brushed off with a broom every time I had to clear the Driveway with the snowblower etc. It was last on the road Dec. 18, parked in the Drive with 3/4 tank of gas, and a strong dose of Marvel Mystery Oil added to the Tank at the last fill up in Dec. I went out march 14, opened the Hood and gave the Fuel Pump a few strokes to fill the fuel Bowls, and she started like she was used the day before. Sorry for going off on the tangent there. To answer your question, I'm 6'3" and I have a couple inchesclearance at least above my Head with the hardtop. My Seat may be a little sunken in, but I doubt enough to make a difference. Cheers, Wayne Lee Douglas,MA 64 TR4 (project) 75 TR6 SU's, Pertronix, 74 Exhaust Manifold, ANSA Exhaust (Daily Driver again) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John VanNorman" > To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [6pack] Hard top prices > > >> I've had my eyes open for a factory hardtop for the past two years >> now. The problem I keep having is my unwillingness to pay around $700 >> or so for the hardtop and shipping without being able to first look at >> the top in person to get a good look at the parts Vance points out. >> It seems that every top that comes up on eBay or other sources is a >> long trek from central Ohio. I guess at some point I'll just have to >> break down, unless one of my fellow Buckeye Triumph members with a >> hardtop would like to get rid of his! >> >> Actually, this does raise a question. As some of you guys may know, >> I'm 6 foot 5. I have absolutely no problem with my head hitting the >> convertible top when it is up. I'm assuming the hardtop has about the >> same amount of head room, but I may be wrong. None of the guys in the >> club have ever driven their 6 with the hardtop on while I've been >> around for me to test it out. From Pimento73 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 14:23:12 2009 From: Pimento73 at aol.com (Pimento73 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:23:12 EDT Subject: [6pack] Hard top prices Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2009 3:35:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jsvannorman at gmail.com writes: Actually, this does raise a question. As some of you guys may know, I'm 6 foot 5. I have absolutely no problem with my head hitting the convertible top when it is up. I'm assuming the hardtop has about the same amount of head room, but I may be wrong. yep, you're wrong - the clearance is very different - i don't know by how much, but I can tell you that I can autocross my TR6 with the soft top on and erected without my helmet touching the top - with hardtop on I have serious helmet-against-the-roof issues. I'm about 5ft 13in tall Cheers, Jack Mc **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From Pimento73 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 14:30:38 2009 From: Pimento73 at aol.com (Pimento73 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:30:38 EDT Subject: [6pack] Hardtop prices Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2009 1:54:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: if someone is buying an original car, then it should have all the original stuff. No more, no less. If the car didn't come with an option and that option is included in the sale, the car is by definition "over-restored". Not by any definition I've ever seen. A fully optioned car is not over-restored. A car painted in thick wet-look clear coat that was never available when the car was new is over-restored. A car with a chromed air filter or brake booster - or any other part chromed that wasn't originally - is over-restored. A car with leather upholstery that originally had vinyl is over-restored. A car with factory overdrive or factory hard top, even though it may have left the factory without them, is NOT over-restored. Those items could have been added by the dealer. Cheers, Jack Mc **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com Thu Mar 26 14:39:32 2009 From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:39:32 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson Message-ID: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BB15FBBA@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local> Dear List- There is sad news in the Triumph world from Bowling Green, KY today. Keith Bryson, a long time Triumph enthuasist from Bowling Green died in a airplane crash late last night near Lexington, KY. Keith owned a beautiful TR 250 that won best of show a few years back at 6Pack. He also had a Stag and low mileage Jaguar XJ6. Keith and I traveled to many TRF Summer Party's over the years and he truly loved the british car people he met, which would include many on this List. Godspeed Keith- Steve Thornton Bowling Green, KY From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 15:06:04 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:06:04 EDT Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson Message-ID: Steve, that is indeed VERY sad news. I was at the 6-pack Trials when Keith won Best of Show. He and I exchanged many e-mails as I worked on my TR 250 to try to get it up to Keith's level. He was always kind and generous with his time and suggestions. Truly an asset to the Triumph Family which will be greatly missed. Cheers to ALL and especially Keith! Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From rpeglow at optonline.net Thu Mar 26 20:27:40 2009 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:27:40 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson References: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BB15FBBA@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local> Message-ID: <023601c9ae8b$fc930330$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> http://www.kentucky.com/211/story/739722.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Thornton" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Cc: "triumphs" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson > Dear List- > > > There is sad news in the Triumph world from Bowling Green, KY today. > > Keith Bryson, a long time Triumph enthuasist from Bowling Green died in > a airplane crash late last night near Lexington, KY. Keith owned a > beautiful TR 250 that won best of show a few years back at 6Pack. He > also had a Stag and low mileage Jaguar XJ6. > > Keith and I traveled to many TRF Summer Party's over the years and he > truly loved the british car people he met, which would include many on > this List. > > Godspeed Keith- > > > Steve Thornton > Bowling Green, KY > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rpeglow at optonline.net > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.12050 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12050 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From rsh17 at msn.com Thu Mar 26 16:37:08 2009 From: rsh17 at msn.com (Richard Seaton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:37:08 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, more info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bad information and according to todays Bowlong Green newpaper we have good news, Bryson was not on the plane only the pilot. Richard Seaton RSH17 at msn.com > From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:06:04 -0400 > To: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com; 6pack at autox.team.net > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson > > Steve, that is indeed VERY sad news. I was at the 6-pack Trials when Keith > won Best of Show. He and I exchanged many e-mails as I worked on my TR 250 to > try to get it up to Keith's level. He was always kind and generous with his > time and suggestions. Truly an asset to the Triumph Family which will be > greatly missed. > > Cheers to ALL and especially Keith! > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rsh17 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8  Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ From rsh17 at msn.com Thu Mar 26 16:38:39 2009 From: rsh17 at msn.com (Richard Seaton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:38:39 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bad information and according to todays Bowlong Green newpaper we have good news, Bryson was not on the plane only the pilot. http://www.bgdailynews.com/articles/2009/03/26/news/news3.txt Richard Seaton RSH17 at msn.com > From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:06:04 -0400 > To: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com; 6pack at autox.team.net > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson > > Steve, that is indeed VERY sad news. I was at the 6-pack Trials when Keith > won Best of Show. He and I exchanged many e-mails as I worked on my TR 250 to > try to get it up to Keith's level. He was always kind and generous with his > time and suggestions. Truly an asset to the Triumph Family which will be > greatly missed. > > Cheers to ALL and especially Keith! > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rsh17 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 16:39:53 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:39:53 EDT Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, more info Message-ID: Richard, that would be awesome! Except of course for the Pilot's family. I have seen conflicting reports about it being on local TV, etc. Here's a cheer to your being correct. Gary **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From rsh17 at msn.com Thu Mar 26 16:46:14 2009 From: rsh17 at msn.com (Richard Seaton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:46:14 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, more info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ops just popped off the email, yeah bad about the pilot of course, haven't released his name as of yet. Richard Seaton RSH17 at msn.com From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:39:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, more info To: rsh17 at msn.com; sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com; 6pack at autox.team.net CC: triumphs at autox.team.net Richard, that would be awesome! Except of course for the Pilot's family. I have seen conflicting reports about it being on local TV, etc. Here's a cheer to your being correct. Gary Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8  Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ From rmcbride at mi.rr.com Thu Mar 26 17:37:04 2009 From: rmcbride at mi.rr.com (Robert McBride) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:37:04 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, more info References: Message-ID: <999969F2094244B9966843C837196E2E@hp> I just found this on line Federal investigators are on the scene of a deadly plane crash in central Kentucky. The small plane went down on in rural Woodford County at about 10:00 Wednesday night. 27 SKYFIRST few over the scene on Thursday morning and the video shows the pilot came just short of landing in an open field, crashing instead close to Delaney Ferry Road, near Pinkard Baptist Church. Investigators say making it to that field may have made the difference between life and death. Members of the FAA and NTSB are on scene. The FAA says the plane was traveling from Bowling Green to Blue Grass Airport in Lexington. It crashed about an hour after takeoff. Only the pilot was on board. He hasn't been formally identified, but friends tell us it was Dr. Keith Bryson. He's reportedly an OBGYN from Bowling Green. We're told he co-owned the plane with a friend and was on his way to Lexington to visit his fiancee. There is no black box in the wreckage because one is not required by law for this particular model of aircraft. On Thursday, the airport released the last words between the tower and the pilot. Tower: I want to just verify... You are not declaring an emergency... And you don't need equipment standing by? Pilot: Negative... I don't need equipment.... I don't need equipment... I just need you to help me get in. Investigators will be back on the scene on Friday. They plan to remove whats left of the crash scene at that time. They say it could be four to five weeks before a report is released on what caused the plane to crash. From TR250Driver at aol.com Thu Mar 26 18:04:23 2009 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:04:23 EDT Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2009 5:40:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com writes: Godspeed Keith- Steve, For sure, tears are in my eyes for our good friend Keith. He was a fine Kentucky gentleman that will forever be in my memories of Triumph travels during the last decade or so. Darrell **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From kandrews at charter.net Thu Mar 26 18:53:45 2009 From: kandrews at charter.net (Kevin Andrews) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:53:45 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson References: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BB15FBBA@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local> Message-ID: Man! That is so sad. I knew Keith at the Trials. A very enthusist of the TR-250. He will surely be missed. Condolances to the Bryson family and Godspeed. Kevin Andrews ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Thornton" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Cc: "triumphs" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:39 PM Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson > Dear List- > > > There is sad news in the Triumph world from Bowling Green, KY today. > > Keith Bryson, a long time Triumph enthuasist from Bowling Green died in > a airplane crash late last night near Lexington, KY. Keith owned a > beautiful TR 250 that won best of show a few years back at 6Pack. He > also had a Stag and low mileage Jaguar XJ6. > > Keith and I traveled to many TRF Summer Party's over the years and he > truly loved the british car people he met, which would include many on > this List. > > Godspeed Keith- > > > Steve Thornton > Bowling Green, KY > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as kandrews at charter.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2025 - Release Date: 03/26/09 20:05:00 From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com Thu Mar 26 19:04:01 2009 From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:04:01 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info Message-ID: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BB15FBC4@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local> All- Unfortunately, Keith was the pilot. Steve Thornton Bowling Green, KY ________________________________ From: Richard Seaton [mailto:rsh17 at msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:39 PM To: gsfuqua1 at aol.com; Steve Thornton; 6pack at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info Bad information and according to todays Bowlong Green newpaper we have good news, Bryson was not on the plane only the pilot. http://www.bgdailynews.com/articles/2009/03/26/news/news3.txt Richard Seaton RSH17 at msn.com > From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:06:04 -0400 > To: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com; 6pack at autox.team.net > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson > > Steve, that is indeed VERY sad news. I was at the 6-pack Trials when Keith > won Best of Show. He and I exchanged many e-mails as I worked on my TR 250 to > try to get it up to Keith's level. He was always kind and generous with his > time and suggestions. Truly an asset to the Triumph Family which will be > greatly missed. > > Cheers to ALL and especially Keith! > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rsh17 at msn.com ________________________________ Windows Live(tm) SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. Check it out. Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1937 - Release Date: 02/06/09 11:31:00 From rsh17 at msn.com Thu Mar 26 19:09:01 2009 From: rsh17 at msn.com (Richard Seaton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:09:01 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info In-Reply-To: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BB15FBC4@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local> References: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BB15FBC4@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local> Message-ID: Oh, the paper gave the impression otherwise, my apologies for misrepresenting. Richard Seaton RSH17 at msn.com Richard Seaton RSH17 at msn.com Subject: RE: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:04:01 -0600 From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com To: rsh17 at msn.com; gsfuqua1 at aol.com; 6pack at autox.team.net CC: triumphs at autox.team.net All- Unfortunately, Keith was the pilot. Steve Thornton Bowling Green, KY From: Richard Seaton [mailto:rsh17 at msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:39 PM To: gsfuqua1 at aol.com; Steve Thornton; 6pack at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info Bad information and according to todays Bowlong Green newpaper we have good news, Bryson was not on the plane only the pilot. http://www.bgdailynews.com/articles/2009/03/26/news/news3.txt Richard Seaton RSH17 at msn.com > From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:06:04 -0400 > To: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com; 6pack at autox.team.net > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson > > Steve, that is indeed VERY sad news. I was at the 6-pack Trials when Keith > won Best of Show. He and I exchanged many e-mails as I worked on my TR 250 to > try to get it up to Keith's level. He was always kind and generous with his > time and suggestions. Truly an asset to the Triumph Family which will be > greatly missed. > > Cheers to ALL and especially Keith! > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rsh17 at msn.com Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. Check it out. Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1937 - Release Date: 02/06/09 11:31:00 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Mar 27 16:47:48 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:47:48 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info In-Reply-To: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BB15FBC4@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local> Message-ID: I just saw it on the local news. It is a sad time for Bowling Green and our family of Triumph lovers. He was a great guy. Mike Munson Bowling Green, KY http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Thornton Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:04 PM To: Richard Seaton; gsfuqua1 at aol.com; 6pack at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info All- Unfortunately, Keith was the pilot. Steve Thornton Bowling Green, KY ________________________________ From: Richard Seaton [mailto:rsh17 at msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:39 PM To: gsfuqua1 at aol.com; Steve Thornton; 6pack at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson, correct info Bad information and according to todays Bowlong Green newpaper we have good news, Bryson was not on the plane only the pilot. http://www.bgdailynews.com/articles/2009/03/26/news/news3.txt Richard Seaton RSH17 at msn.com > From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:06:04 -0400 > To: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com; 6pack at autox.team.net > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] Sad news- Keith Bryson > > Steve, that is indeed VERY sad news. I was at the 6-pack Trials when Keith > won Best of Show. He and I exchanged many e-mails as I worked on my TR 250 to > try to get it up to Keith's level. He was always kind and generous with his > time and suggestions. Truly an asset to the Triumph Family which will be > greatly missed. > > Cheers to ALL and especially Keith! > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rsh17 at msn.com ________________________________ Windows Live(tm) SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. Check it out. Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1937 - Release Date: 02/06/09 11:31:00 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fasttrs at mindspring.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2025 - Release Date: 03/26/09 20:05:00 From r_rochlin at hotmail.com Sat Mar 28 17:01:47 2009 From: r_rochlin at hotmail.com (Robert Rochlin) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:01:47 +0000 Subject: [6pack] New Top Installation Message-ID: Hi All, I got a Robbbins Sunfast top from TRF. Rebuilt the frame and started to reassemble the top a couple of days ago. The Sunfast top seems to be of excellent quality and the top frame is straight, but when I fit the top it seems to not fit very well. When the side windows and the section of top between the side and rear windows is tensioned the rear window is slack, not nice and tight. The section of top between the rear and main bow is also slack. I've only gotten as far as installing the rear stiffener and I' m sure I did that correctly. I didn't want to proceed unless I'm sure it's not a problem with the top. It seems as if the top doesn't fit correctly, but I'm a novice at this top fitting stuff. The top that came off fit perfectly. I don't get it. I'm hoping someone else has had anyone had the same experience installing a Sunfast top and can offer some guidance. As a last resort I'll take it to a Robbins recommended installer, and let them have a look at it. Thanks. Bob Rochlin 72' TR6 _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8  Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ From marty.tr6 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 22:42:05 2009 From: marty.tr6 at gmail.com (Marty) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:42:05 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Sound Deadener In-Reply-To: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170EEA@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A4715300522202170EEA@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: Removed it all and applied Damplifier Pro. Marty Clark Gilbert, AZ 1974 TR6 CF17352U http://www.triumphowners.com/798 From marty.tr6 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 22:50:09 2009 From: marty.tr6 at gmail.com (Marty) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:50:09 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Under carpet treatment In-Reply-To: <8E428A03731E495D8BFEC85B0DDAD7AF@DONIRENE> References: <7dfdd1160903160940r448278a1m8e36fe6cdd94d3aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090316205225.4285D893E@marlborough.concentric.com> <8E428A03731E495D8BFEC85B0DDAD7AF@DONIRENE> Message-ID: Don, I've had Damplifier Pro in my TR6 here in the Phoenix heat for over a year and half with no issues. Feet don't heat up like they use to when driving the car in the middle of the summer. The car sounds a lot more solid. Great stuff! Marty Clark Gilbert, AZ 1974 TR6 http://www.triumphowners.com/798 On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Don Becker wrote: > Unfortunately, I just installed some Fatmat on the door skin (passenger > door only) and will have to remove (sic). I'm convinced now that the Phoenix > summer will melt the Fatmat into a pool of black sticky asphalt which won't > be pretty. (Doors will easily reach 160F in July....well OK, June thru > September to be more accurate) > Ordered Second Skin today...here tomorrow. Now, the fun of ripping out the > Fatmat. Suggestions? Dry Ice? Heatgun/Blowdryer? > > Thanks, > > Don Becker > 74 Mallard Blue From emartin at bscsd.org Mon Mar 30 11:04:32 2009 From: emartin at bscsd.org (Martin, Edwin) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:04:32 -0400 Subject: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <74719AD09FAEB948878BDBB80666D1B0013B9B0A@MAIL.bscsd.org> -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of 6pack-request at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:00 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to 6pack at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 6pack-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at 6pack-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sound Deadener (Marty) 2. Re: Under carpet treatment (Marty) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:42:05 -0700 From: Marty Subject: Re: [6pack] Sound Deadener To: "Corbitt, Michael" Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Removed it all and applied Damplifier Pro. Marty Clark Gilbert, AZ 1974 TR6 CF17352U http://www.triumphowners.com/798 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:50:09 -0700 From: Marty Subject: Re: [6pack] Under carpet treatment To: Don Becker Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don, I've had Damplifier Pro in my TR6 here in the Phoenix heat for over a year and half with no issues. Feet don't heat up like they use to when driving the car in the middle of the summer. The car sounds a lot more solid. Great stuff! Marty Clark Gilbert, AZ 1974 TR6 http://www.triumphowners.com/798 On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Don Becker wrote: > Unfortunately, I just installed some Fatmat on the door skin (passenger > door only) and will have to remove (sic). I'm convinced now that the Phoenix > summer will melt the Fatmat into a pool of black sticky asphalt which won't > be pretty. (Doors will easily reach 160F in July....well OK, June thru > September to be more accurate) > Ordered Second Skin today...here tomorrow. Now, the fun of ripping out the > Fatmat. Suggestions? Dry Ice? Heatgun/Blowdryer? > > Thanks, > > Don Becker > 74 Mallard Blue ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 6pack mailing list 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack End of 6pack Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 ************************************* From apackard68 at att.net Mon Mar 30 12:02:58 2009 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Changing out springs Message-ID: <320102.54731.qm@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> When I was getting my TR250 aligned for the first time, the body was sitting very high above the tops of the tires. I decided to swap out my stock-height uprated springs for shorter ones. Unfortunately, after a couple hundred miles, the suspension settled quite a bit and was riding much lower than I had intended. I was scraping my muffler on seemingly any undulation in the road. This past weekend, I swapped out the rear springs back to what I had previously and drove it to work today to get the rear settled in properly. With the shorter front springs still in, the nose is noticably lower than the rear now. What are the pros and cons of having different ride heights front and rear? I can see over the hood more easily and it looks like it is more aerodynamic now. Will the handling around corners be all screwed up now? Or will the front end not plow into corners as much? I think weight distribution is probably more of a factor than anything, but your point of view is welcome! Andy Packard CD6746L HVDA and a bunch of other stuff From tr6taylor at webtv.net Mon Mar 30 12:49:41 2009 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:49:41 GMT Subject: [6pack] Changing out springs Message-ID: Hi, Andy---Depends on how much of a difference there is, I'd say. On my '73 the front end measures 26 inches from fender lip to ground, and at the rear it's 27.5 inches. I also like this look, so left it this way. I have found no disadvantage with this combo. I can provoke the tail end to step out, but I like this also. The rear bar 5/8" diam. which we know adds to this balance. I'd say to take it to a vacant parking lot and put it thru its paces. Decide then... Dick -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:02 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net, ttscc at yahoogroups.com Subject: [6pack] Changing out springs When I was getting my TR250 aligned for the first time, the body was sitting very high above the tops of the tires. I decided to swap out my stock-height uprated springs for shorter ones. Unfortunately, after a couple hundred miles, the suspension settled quite a bit and was riding much lower than I had intended. I was scraping my muffler on seemingly any undulation in the road. This past weekend, I swapped out the rear springs back to what I had previously and drove it to work today to get the rear settled in properly. With the shorter front springs still in, the nose is noticably lower than the rear now. What are the pros and cons of having different ride heights front and rear? I can see over the hood more easily and it looks like it is more aerodynamic now. Will the handling around corners be all screwed up now? Or will the front end not plow into corners as much? I think weight distribution is probably more of a factor than anything, but your point of view is welcome! Andy Packard CD6746L HVDA and a bunch of other stuff 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From Pimento73 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 15:48:25 2009 From: Pimento73 at aol.com (Pimento73 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:48:25 EDT Subject: [6pack] Changing out springs Message-ID: In a message dated 3/30/2009 3:50:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tr6taylor at webtv.net writes: I'd say to take it to a vacant parking lot and put it thru its paces. this is always a good idea - particularly if there are cones, timing equipment, and other enthusiasts involved. Cheers, Jack Mc **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 05:59:50 2009 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:59:50 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Cylinder Head Question Message-ID: <354a1780903310559h66d7ae8r5c8dd3b916e31ea7@mail.gmail.com> Good morning, I am trying to identify the cylinder head that came on a spare engine that I recently bought. The head has the number 313248 cast into it. When I go to The Roadster Factory online catalog, that number comes up as a TR6 cylinder head, but doesn't say from what year. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL From stan.foster at hp.com Tue Mar 31 06:37:24 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:37:24 +0000 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Cylinder Head Question In-Reply-To: <354a1780903310559h66d7ae8r5c8dd3b916e31ea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <354a1780903310559h66d7ae8r5c8dd3b916e31ea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF7294299C9D9F@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Irv, the only reference I have (which came from Derek Graham who I think is on this list) shows that head as being used from 74 through 77 on the Triumph 2500 TC saloons in various parts of the world so I'm guessing it might be the same as the 74-76 TR6 heads. That number is the casting number but do you not have another number that looks like say 219019 or similar stamped on the manifold side of the head ? Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:00 AM To: 6Pack Subject: [6pack] TR6 Cylinder Head Question Good morning, I am trying to identify the cylinder head that came on a spare engine that I recently bought. The head has the number 313248 cast into it. When I go to The Roadster Factory online catalog, that number comes up as a TR6 cylinder head, but doesn't say from what year. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL From rpeglow at optonline.net Tue Mar 31 11:54:20 2009 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:54:20 -0800 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Cylinder Head Question References: <354a1780903310559h66d7ae8r5c8dd3b916e31ea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007701c9b232$1a0b58f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Hi Irv, Rimmer TR6 catalog shows that head (313248) was on engines starting with serial #CR5001. http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/triumph/tr6/engine#Cylinder%20Heads This chart shows the CR head is from PI cars. http://www.triumphspitfire.com/enginenumbers.html Regards, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irv Korey" To: "6Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:59 AM Subject: [6pack] TR6 Cylinder Head Question > Good morning, > > I am trying to identify the cylinder head that came on a spare engine that I > recently bought. The head has the number 313248 cast into it. When I go to > The Roadster Factory online catalog, that number comes up as a TR6 cylinder > head, but doesn't say from what year. Can anyone point me in the right > direction? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > 74 TR6 CF22767U > Highland Park, IL > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rpeglow at optonline.net > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.12080 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12080 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 08:30:29 2009 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:30:29 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Cylinder Head Question In-Reply-To: <007701c9b232$1a0b58f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> References: <354a1780903310559h66d7ae8r5c8dd3b916e31ea7@mail.gmail.com> <007701c9b232$1a0b58f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Message-ID: <354a1780903310830s74327eb4p251b2d5cbfa12d7d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone for their replies to my cylinder head inquiry. Irv From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 13:26:56 2009 From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Changing out Springs Message-ID: <702925.1647.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Andy, I have been experiencing front fender rub on my tires when they are at full lock and I cross the curb when exiting my driveway. The fenders have taken a few lumps out of the tires and has slightly bent the fender causing the paint to chip. I am using stock springs on my 1970 TR6 and know the rub is because the 205/65/16 tires are wider than the stock tires. I also know some people have the same setup but haven't had any rubbing problems. To FINALLY get to the point I just finished putting 1/2 inch spacers under the front springs which raised the fender about 3/4 of an inch and I don't expect to have any further problems with the scraping. I did notice that the headlights now light up the overhead road signs even when the lights are on dim. I plan to pick up some 1/2 inch spacers and put them on the rear to level out the car so that it is a little more to my liking. So, to summarize, you can just pick up some spacers,which come in several heights and put them under your springs to more simply solve your problem. You can get almost any reasonable height this way. Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR 6 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 14:04:10 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:04:10 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Changing out Springs In-Reply-To: <702925.1647.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <702925.1647.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c9b244$3d01acd0$b7050670$@net> Mike what is you ride height Craig -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael lunsford Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:27 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Changing out Springs Andy, I have been experiencing front fender rub on my tires when they are at full lock and I cross the curb when exiting my driveway. The fenders have taken a few lumps out of the tires and has slightly bent the fender causing the paint to chip. I am using stock springs on my 1970 TR6 and know the rub is because the 205/65/16 tires are wider than the stock tires. I also know some people have the same setup but haven't had any rubbing problems. To FINALLY get to the point I just finished putting 1/2 inch spacers under the front springs which raised the fender about 3/4 of an inch and I don't expect to have any further problems with the scraping. I did notice that the headlights now light up the overhead road signs even when the lights are on dim. I plan to pick up some 1/2 inch spacers and put them on the rear to level out the car so that it is a little more to my liking. So, to summarize, you can just pick up some spacers,which come in several heights and put them under your springs to more simply solve your problem. You can get almost any reasonable height this way. Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR 6 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net From rpeglow at optonline.net Tue Mar 31 19:56:18 2009 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:56:18 -0800 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Clutch Master cylinder (.70 vs .75) References: <195168.21319.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006501c9679f$7e75cc40$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573BAF249C@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <002001c9b275$6e61c9f0$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> The report. Rebuilt a .70 (correct for '70, '71) master cylinder. Replaced steel pipe and replaced red flex pipe with braided flex pipe Replaced slave with the "extended throw slave" Replaced clutch slave fork (it was worn) with adjustable fork DOT 5 and speed bleeder. Result Bleeding; filled master and allowed gravity to work for about 20 minutes then speed bleeder made it a cinch 1 man job. Clutch pedal effort is less and clutch engages much more quickly With extended throw slave and 1/8" added to fork length I moved seat back a notch for comfort. No need to tip-toe clutch pedal When I drained system there was black goop probably from deteriorated rubber. Thank you to Eric, Vance and the List for suggestions. > > Hello List, > I have read (somewhere?) that the earlier master cylinders (,75) vs. later > (.70) provide greater throw or ease of operation. > Is this true and a viable reason to use a .75 in a 1970? I'd like to give my > left knee all the consideration possible. :~) > Thank you. > Regards, > Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12080 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Tue Mar 31 16:27:06 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:27:06 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 at Tradition Golf Message-ID: <0802BD5C2CFD42519467082A3DF8487B@BOBSNEWPC> Anybody on the Mail List have their red TR6 at the Tradition Gold Course in Wallingford CT today? Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From im_sloane at hotmail.com Tue Mar 31 18:30:38 2009 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:30:38 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Buddy's Spit has carb issues Message-ID: Hi team, I have a buddy with a 74 Spit, OEM carb(1). Car has been off the road for most of the last two years, but he cranks it regularly. (only body and interior work) He's having an issue after a 20-30 minute drive. Car won't start, and he notices oil(?) coming out of the small pin hole near the top of the carb dashpot. I'm thinking he could have a stuck float, flooded carb, and gas is backing up into the dashpot, which would overflow if the top was off, but is squeezing out the little hole. He get's it home without a tow, so obviously it will start when cooled down. I'm hoping he doesn't need to rebuild the whole carb. What say ye? Sloane :) 69-Six _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From tr6taylor at webtv.net Tue Mar 31 23:59:02 2009 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:59:02 GMT Subject: [6pack] Changing out Springs Message-ID: Michael---If you now like the height of your car, it's may be possible to adjust the beams down. One of the screws behind the chrome rim controls beam height, and a side screw controls side placement of the beam. If you want to do this job yourself, like the bandits that we are, it is not difficult. Shine the headlights onto a flat surface, like a garage door at night, and chalkmark some X's to indicate the approx. center of the beams. Then use the adjustment to get them both down evenly. In my case I had to raise the beam, as the front end is lower than "stock". Dick -----Original Message----- From: michael lunsford Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:26 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Changing out Springs Andy, I have been experiencing front fender rub on my tires when they are at full lock and I cross the curb when exiting my driveway. The fenders have taken a few lumps out of the tires and has slightly bent the fender causing the paint to chip. I am using stock springs on my 1970 TR6 and know the rub is because the 205/65/16 tires are wider than the stock tires. I also know some people have the same setup but haven't had any rubbing problems. To FINALLY get to the point I just finished putting 1/2 inch spacers under the front springs which raised the fender about 3/4 of an inch and I don't expect to have any further problems with the scraping. I did notice that the headlights now light up the overhead road signs even when the lights are on dim. I plan to pick up some 1/2 inch spacers and put them on the rear to level out the car so that it is a little more to my liking. So, to summarize, you can just pick up some spacers,which come in several heights and put them under your springs to more simply solve your problem. You can get almost any reasonable height this way. Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR 6 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net