From slowtoaccept at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 07:21:05 2009 From: slowtoaccept at yahoo.com (Jerry C Shaw) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:21:05 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Door glass installation question Message-ID: What are listers using to secure the glazing strip to the bottom of the window glass and the channel assy. Right now I'm just using a force fit, but don't thank that is secure enough, but didn't want to glue it until I adjusted the travel. Should just the glazing strip be glued to the glass, or to the channel, too? And if glued, what glue? Jerry '75/'74 TR6 From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sat Aug 1 09:44:13 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:44:13 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Door glass installation question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F474EDB30EF446095598A40211BDB40@BOBSNEWPC> Gerry........... I thought it was just a force fit. No adhesive required but I could be wrong. All I've done so far is the window channels using Velcro! http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/WindowChannel.htm It worked great too. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry C Shaw Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:21 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Door glass installation question What are listers using to secure the glazing strip to the bottom of the window glass and the channel assy. Right now I'm just using a force fit, but don't thank that is secure enough, but didn't want to glue it until I adjusted the travel. Should just the glazing strip be glued to the glass, or to the channel, too? And if glued, what glue? Jerry '75/'74 TR6 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From joe.simcoe at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 21:49:17 2009 From: joe.simcoe at gmail.com (Joe Simcoe) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:49:17 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Books and Manuals for Sale Message-ID: <870ec5210908012049i19a70688u2538533bc9079fc7@mail.gmail.com> I am selling off all of my Triumph and British Car manuals and books. My wife just listed eight items for me on ebay. Go to advanced search and search for items being sold by gbsimcoe to find what I have listed. All of these items are from my personal collection, most dating back 10 to 15 years. Unless noted otherwise they are in very very good condition. If you have an interest in any of the topics, they will make a great addition to your library. Joe Simcoe From lindquistse at charter.net Sun Aug 2 06:14:44 2009 From: lindquistse at charter.net (Steve Lindquist) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:14:44 -0400 Subject: [6pack] door glass installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9CE0780C11E94E3DA589891A69DC01E2@computerroom> 1. Door glass installation question (Jerry C Shaw) 2. Re: Door glass installation question (Bob Danielson) I used 3M Super Weatherstrip and Gasket Adhesive 08008 and its great stuff for sealing rubber to glass or metal. Its available from TRF or Google the specific part number and you'll find it online. Steve 68 TR250 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 6pack mailing list 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack End of 6pack Digest, Vol 3, Issue 226 ************************************* From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Sun Aug 2 12:38:06 2009 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TTA) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:38:06 -0600 Subject: [6pack] TTA - See John's interview in Sarnia Canada Message-ID: <4A75DD0E.6000104@triumphstagclub.org> Hello All, TTA is getting more positive press! On Thursday 30 July 2009, Tara Hagan, reporter for The Observer in Sarnia, Ontario Canada interviewed John Macartney on video. see it here http://www.theobserver.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1681952 Right after the audio portion of this interview was aired on a Canadian radio station, a lady approached John and the Bluewater British Car Club noting she had just heard about this drive and the cause, and wanted to know more and how she could help. This has been the typical response everywhere John goes. This is exactly what this drive is all about folks, increasing awareness about PTSD so people can seek out and receive help. It is not John's private charity or holiday, it is not Glenn's private charity, these charities are national charities supporting causes that need our help to provide the support to the people who need help to lift themselves out of this PTSD hole. If any you have more videos and press we can be aware of, do let us know so we can post them to the TTA website. I believe there is an interview from David LaChance of Hemmings coming up soon too that will be available on Podcast. Thanks to everyone who are actively providing support for this drive - probably the biggest Triumph gathering for a cause anytime in North America! -- Glenn A. Merrell TTA North American Drive Coordinator 2009 TSN Admin www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk Skype,Twitter,FaceBook: StagByTriumph From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 21:49:49 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:49:49 -0500 Subject: [6pack] gas tank sending unit replacement Message-ID: <15B7CD4332F44AF5A373107301797B79@ranteer.local> for anyone comtemplating this, its not hard. concensus is to go with the brass ford part. i've tried to explain the steps here: http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/index.html#update From tr6parts at charter.net Mon Aug 3 20:11:07 2009 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:11:07 -0400 Subject: [6pack] polished intakes Message-ID: I am heading to TRF this weekend, If someone is interested in a polished intake, I can take a couple with me. TR6,4,3 & spits Email me off list. Thanks Al Salvatore From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 16:52:28 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:52:28 -0500 Subject: [6pack] need over riders References: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51FE12961A6048A7A8EE990F9CA8B4C2@ranteer.local> i have a friend who is looking for some tr6 over riders. anyone have any leads? please reply all so my friend gets a copy. From rclark at robertsonclark.com Tue Aug 4 17:39:30 2009 From: rclark at robertsonclark.com (Robert N. Clark) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:39:30 -0700 Subject: [6pack] need over riders In-Reply-To: <51FE12961A6048A7A8EE990F9CA8B4C2@ranteer.local> References: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <51FE12961A6048A7A8EE990F9CA8B4C2@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Front or rear? I have a set of rears and at least one front. Bob Clark '69 TR6 i have a friend who is looking for some tr6 over riders. anyone have any leads? please reply all so my friend gets a copy. From jimmble at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 4 17:47:13 2009 From: jimmble at roadrunner.com (Jim Franks) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:47:13 -0400 Subject: [6pack] need over riders In-Reply-To: <51FE12961A6048A7A8EE990F9CA8B4C2@ranteer.local> References: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <51FE12961A6048A7A8EE990F9CA8B4C2@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <4A78C881.7060709@roadrunner.com> What year? Jim oliver wrote: > i have a friend who is looking for some tr6 over riders. > > anyone have any leads? > > please reply all so my friend gets a copy. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as jimmble at roadrunner.com From TR250Driver at aol.com Tue Aug 4 18:06:50 2009 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:06:50 EDT Subject: [6pack] TRF Summer Party Message-ID: Hey Guys, I just have to ask, how many of you have your Triumphs fixed and plan on attending the TRF SP? I would suspect that everyone would realize that this will be the premier east coast event this year for people who drive Triumphs. Be there or be square as they say. Drag Race, Autox, Poker Run & Tours what more could you ask for? Sound off if you are going to be there. I'm there with the GT6+ Darrell **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 19:31:43 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (triosan at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:31:43 +0000 Subject: [6pack] need over riders Message-ID: Have 74.5 front. ------Original Message------ From: oliver Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net To: Triumph List To: 6 Pack list Cc: dvanhorn at monteshelton.com Subject: [6pack] need over riders Sent: Aug 4, 2009 15:52 i have a friend who is looking for some tr6 over riders. anyone have any leads? please reply all so my friend gets a copy. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com Sent from my BlackBerry. smartphone with SprintSpeed From tr6parts at charter.net Tue Aug 4 19:40:34 2009 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:40:34 -0400 Subject: [6pack] [TR] need over riders References: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <51FE12961A6048A7A8EE990F9CA8B4C2@ranteer.local> Message-ID: I have front and rears for a 74 Al Salvatore ----- Original Message ----- From: "oliver" To: "Triumph List" ; "6 Pack list" <6pack at autox.team.net> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: [TR] need over riders >i have a friend who is looking for some tr6 over riders. > > anyone have any leads? > > please reply all so my friend gets a copy. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as tr6parts at charter.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From TR250Driver at aol.com Tue Aug 4 19:50:54 2009 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:50:54 EDT Subject: [6pack] [TR] TRF Summer Party Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/2009 9:25:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dlylis at gmail.com writes: would love to go but the distance and my employment situation speak otherwise. My plan was to win the bidding for Tom's son and have him drive me but that doesn't look like it is going to work out either. ------Original Message------ Hey I understand but one needs to realize that the TRF Summer Party for Triumph owners is pretty much like Sturgis is for Harley Davidson guys. "Time is a Wasting" folks, fix them & drive them before it is too late. Feeling a little old I admit, Darrell From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 19:51:33 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:51:33 -0400 Subject: [6pack] [TR] TRF Summer Party In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Evelyn and I will there with her TR8 and my Vintage race spitfire. Jason will be with us in his Mini Cooper. Will be arriving Thursday at the Comfort Inn in Blairsville. Marty > From: TR250Driver at aol.com > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:06:50 -0400 > To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net > CC: spitfires at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TRF Summer Party > > Hey Guys, > I just have to ask, how many of you have your Triumphs fixed and plan on > attending the TRF SP? I would suspect that everyone would realize that this > will be the premier east coast event this year for people who drive > Triumphs. Be there or be square as they say. Drag Race, Autox, Poker Run & Tours > what more could you ask for? > Sound off if you are going to be there. I'm there with the GT6+ > Darrell > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US :SI_PH_software:082009 From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 20:15:17 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:15:17 -0500 Subject: [6pack] [TR] TRF Summer Party References: <20090805020442.4641D187DE4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4D26AEB094F44E6685CB92612DE98B61@ranteer.local> what was the high bid? >I would love to go but the distance and my employment situation speak >otherwise. My plan was to win the bidding for Tom's son and have him drive >me but that doesn't look like it is going to work out either. > ------Original Message------ From sumton at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 18:14:58 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:14:58 -0500 Subject: [6pack] [TR] Forever Parts References: <1227169575.304661249514183389.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: carry it as a spare ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Triumph List" ; "6 Pack list" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: [TR] Forever Parts > Some months ago on the Triumphs list, someone asked about the immortality > (sort of) of various parts that survive replacement during a restoration > > About five years ago, I restored my TR3A from the ground up and have been > driving it from ice-out to first snow in New Hampshire, all that time > using > the original Lucas coil.B > > Amazing. > > Today I swapped it out for a new one, not because it died, but because I > was > getting inefficient spark from the wire connection.B Frankly, I just > didn't > like the solder on copper washer connection.B The replacement has a push > on > type. > > The coil is fine.B From 1959 to 2009, it pushed the car like intended.B > Fifty > years of service, and it's now on the parts bench, and I can't bring > myself to > throw it away. Sort of like an old, loyal horse, I guess, it deserves to > be > appreciated in old age. > > Crazy. > > How do I defend the clutter to my wife? > > Terry Smith > > New Hampshire From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 5 21:14:24 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:14:24 -0600 Subject: [6pack] [TR] TRF Summer Party In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7A4A90.7000106@bradakis.com> TRF, VTR, CRC, sigh. I would love to attend a TRF Summer Party some day, but living over 2,000 miles away certainly factors into the situation. I hear it is a good time. A couple of things I had been looking forward to, closer to home, was the combined VTR and Triumphest meet coming up in a few weeks. But such is not to be. Things have been slow at the shop where I work on old British cars, seems not that many folks want to spend money on their toys these days. And Team.Net contributions have been few and far between this year, shucks. Not many folks are making use of the donate link at the bottom of the messages. Drat. Another event of interest within a long day's drive of Salt Lake City is the Columbia River Classic, http://www.crclassic.com a big vintage race coming up. Triumphs will be a prominent feature, including the Kastner Cup race. Another notable event I'll be missing, sad to say. Oh well, so it goes. mjb. From joe.simcoe at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 22:21:58 2009 From: joe.simcoe at gmail.com (Joe Simcoe) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:21:58 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Books and Manuals for sale (Reminder) Message-ID: <870ec5210908062121s6402b26ex534677cb0c586985@mail.gmail.com> Just a reminder . . . I have listed a few books and and manuals on Ebay. These are my personal items that I am selling in preparation for a move. Sorry to part with them, but alas my British car days are behind me. Go to Ebay, and do an advanced search for items being sold by gbsimcoe These are all in Very Very good condition, and are my personal items (not resale stuff) I know many are traveling etc . . but if you are interested please take a look, the auctions end in a couple of days Joe Simcoe From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Fri Aug 7 06:20:53 2009 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:20:53 EDT Subject: [6pack] John Macartney Visit Message-ID: John will be visiting the Tulsa area this weekend from Aug 8-10. We will be meeting him at the OK welcome station on I-40 coming from Arkansas on Saturday, Aug 8 at ~2 pm and escorting him to town. For more information give me a call or e-mail me. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs Member at Large 918-625-6798 ` **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From ambritts at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 7 13:52:54 2009 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:52:54 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Solvent Warning Message-ID: <004401ca1798$a880c680$6401a8c0@STATION6> I normally wouldn't blast the list with this type of information, but this one could very well be worth reading. Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 A severe warning ..Please read this article http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm From bratt at sasktel.net Fri Aug 7 14:21:51 2009 From: bratt at sasktel.net (ed) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:21:51 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Solvent Warning References: <004401ca1798$a880c680$6401a8c0@STATION6> Message-ID: <000801ca179c$b383d960$6401a8c0@willhuq4x0qsgd> Alex: Here is another source of deadly phosgene gas, so when you borrow one of your wife's new teflon pans to test a thermostat, or clean some car parts, be careful not to over heat the teflon pan.: In two to five minutes on a conventional stovetop, cookware coated with Teflon and other non-stick surfaces can exceed temperatures at which the coating breaks apart and emits toxic particles and gases linked to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pet bird deaths and an unknown number of human illnesses each year, according to tests commissioned by Environmental Working Group (EWG). In new tests conducted by a university food safety professor, a generic non-stick frying pan preheated on a conventional, electric stovetop burner reached 7360F in three minutes and 20 seconds, with temperatures still rising when the tests were terminated. A Teflon pan reached 7210F in just five minutes under the same test conditions (See Figure 1), as measured by a commercially available infrared thermometer. DuPont studies show that the Teflon offgases toxic particulates at 4460F. At 6800F Teflon pans release at least six toxic gases, including two carcinogens, two global pollutants, and MFA, a chemical lethal to humans at low doses. At temperatures that DuPont scientists claim are reached on stovetop drip pans (10000F), non-stick coatings break down to a chemical warfare agent known as PFIB, and a chemical analog of the WWII nerve gas phosgene. Ed Bratt Regina, Saskatchewan 1976 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex" To: "Sixpack" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: [6pack] Solvent Warning From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Fri Aug 7 14:58:34 2009 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:58:34 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Solvent Warning In-Reply-To: <004401ca1798$a880c680$6401a8c0@STATION6> References: <004401ca1798$a880c680$6401a8c0@STATION6> Message-ID: <004401ca17a1$d52b5200$7f81f600$@edu> First, Alex, I'm glad you are Ok. Phosgene was one of the gasses used in World War I. It can also be produced by heating some of the "Freon" gasses-- so BE CAREFUL! A good respirator can go a long way (no, not a "dust mask", a RESPIRATOR). Kevin -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:53 PM To: Sixpack; Triumph List Subject: [6pack] Solvent Warning I normally wouldn't blast the list with this type of information, but this one could very well be worth reading. Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 A severe warning ..Please read this article http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From ambritts at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 7 16:23:41 2009 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:23:41 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Solvent Warning References: <004401ca1798$a880c680$6401a8c0@STATION6> <004401ca17a1$d52b5200$7f81f600$@edu> Message-ID: <005e01ca17ad$c6c65c30$6401a8c0@STATION6> Hi Kevin, That was not me. Just something I came across and wanted to share. Thanks for the concern though. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin McNelis" To: "'Alex'" ; "'Sixpack'" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "'Triumph List'" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: RE: [6pack] Solvent Warning > First, Alex, I'm glad you are Ok. > > Phosgene was one of the gasses used in World War I. It can also be > produced > by heating some of the "Freon" gasses-- so BE CAREFUL! > > A good respirator can go a long way (no, not a "dust mask", a RESPIRATOR). > > Kevin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Alex > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:53 PM > To: Sixpack; Triumph List > Subject: [6pack] Solvent Warning > > I normally wouldn't blast the list with this type of information, but this > one > could very well be worth reading. > Alex Manzo > > 59 TR3A > > 72 TR6 > > A severe warning ..Please read this article > > http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm From janah at att.net Sat Aug 8 04:28:13 2009 From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:28:13 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Time to Mill the Head & Deck the Block Message-ID: All- We are getting ready to plane the head and deck the block. The objective is to take it up to 9.5:1. The shop did a test fit of the new pistons into the block the other day to see where we are for deck height. (Oh Baby!) So we are at -0.014. What are the pros and cons of zero decking the block? I can think of: 1. More money (what else is new?) 2. The block is done (can't plane it again for another rebuild). I know I will lose the block serial number if I deck it. I plan to restamp it. Anyone know what size/style font? Somewhere I heard someone say that the combustion characteristics were better with a zero decked block? Anyone want to defend that one? So right now it looks as though I will take 0.048-0.053" off the head. Anything else I may have missed here? _________________ cygan 70 Damson CC52927LO http://www.triumphowners.com/845 From bratt at sasktel.net Sat Aug 8 10:16:28 2009 From: bratt at sasktel.net (ed) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:16:28 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Time to Mill the Head & Deck the Block References: Message-ID: <003d01ca1843$96125620$6401a8c0@willhuq4x0qsgd> John: I would do some serious research on the fuel octane that you would require. Then, I would make sure that I was able to buy that required high octane fuel at a local gas pump, so I could fuel up properly; and I mean without using octane boosters, chemical additives; mixing, and personal exposure to some pretty toxic chemicals. Ed Bratt Regina, Saskatchewan 1976 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cyganowski" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:28 AM Subject: [6pack] Time to Mill the Head & Deck the Block From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sat Aug 8 19:42:53 2009 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:42:53 EDT Subject: [6pack] This Saturday Message-ID: Had a handoff from BMCA at the OK welcome station at ~230pm. They had a great turnout (didn't count but a least 6 cars) GCT had 3 cars and 5 members. Me in the '6, John and Tom in John's 6 and Janice and Al in their TR7. We escorted John and Uncle Jack to the Homewood suites. John and I had a delightful meat at the Fox and Hound (and a few cold ones, too!!!!) Had a great time and let John go back to his room for some R&R. Meet back at the hotel around 815 for a drive around Tulsa and then back to the hotel for a media opp @ 130. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs Member at Large 918-455-8993 918-625-6798 Cell **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 8 20:43:02 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:43:02 -0600 Subject: [6pack] [TR] This Saturday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7E37B6.8060009@bradakis.com> Sounds like a good time. Last time I checked the route, it looked as if every possible effort was made to avoid coming within 500 miles of Salt Lake City. Not surprising, I wasn't able to round up any local interest back in the early planning stages. On a side note, if you get some pictures you'd like to share, remember you can't send them through the email lists, but you can go to http://www.team.net/forums and post them in the Triumph section there. And for a note on the other side, thanks to those who recently sent in contributions for Team.Net maintenance. I, as well as thousands of subscribers around the globe do appreciate it. mjb. From acekraut at suscom-maine.net Sat Aug 8 22:07:37 2009 From: acekraut at suscom-maine.net (AC) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:07:37 -0400 Subject: [6pack] 2009 BCNH Show Pics Message-ID: <552E53F08023429CA653CC56B24CFB71@company2a887aa> For those so inclined.. Wonderful weather today made the two hour drive from Maine and the show well worth it. Mini was the featured marquee to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the Mini. Unfortunately, only one classic Mini was there. It was a nice venue with about 100 cars in attendance, most in very nice condition with a good variety. They are extending the show to two days this year with Sunday featuring the British Cars again as well as adding other European makes. Pics can be found at triumphowners.com/108. Just scroll down until you see the pics links and follow the link for the 2009 BCNH Car show. Enjoy! From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 13:24:56 2009 From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Fw: MILLING THE HEAD AND DECKING THE BLOCK Message-ID: <500935.68364.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't know why this bounced the first time but I thought I would give it a second try. Mike If John's calculations are correct and the contemplated decking and milling results in a 9.5 compression ratio premium 93 octaine pump gas will work just fine. My setup calculates out to about 9.8/1 and I get by just fine on 93 octaine premium without any octaine enhancing additives. Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR 6 PS: Information regarding John's decking and milling questions should be all over the archives as I recall this topic coming up several times in the past. If I recall correctly (a big question) the concensus was that decking was preferable to milling the head because the head retained more of the designed in squish area that way. Of course I just took a bunch off of my head (the one on the car, I can't spare any of my own) and it still seems to work fine. YMMV. <<>>>> From TR250Driver at aol.com Sun Aug 9 15:16:35 2009 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:16:35 EDT Subject: [6pack] [TR] Broke the GT6+ Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2009 1:54:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yellowtr at adelphia.net writes: Anyway, you should be able to source a temporary replacement at TRF and should have enough help around to get it installed for your ride home. One more reason I don't push my 3 and 4 and will also take it easy with the 6 when it is done. Bob Hi Bob, As usual @ Triumph events once I got to the side of the road I was swarmed by other Triumph Rallyists willing to give up their time to help out. Since I stopped on a hill several of them helped push the GT up the hill to a parts store and out of harms way. A jack was offered, TRF had the part but after some consideration I decided that the rotoflex axle would be a pain to remove to properly install the u-joint w/o that special Churchill tool required to support the spring load even if I towed it back to TRF. Thanks to all who helped out! My good friends, Eric Langreder and Jim Shear stopped by and offered to drive me back to the hotel to get my trailer for the rescue. All was well in a few hours although Eric's son, Tim, and my wife Beverly had to stay back with the GT for a few hours. They were entertained by some locals who stopped by to inquire if they could help. One was a former MG SCCA racer who was curious why I was not doing the roadside repair? Thanks Jim, Eric & Tim! You know the GT has autoxed before w/o incident. I run my TR's hard at Triumph events. I really believe that if they are right they can take it. Perhaps the trailer as a back up makes a difference but there are times when I leave that @ home. I usually never trailer to the TRF SP but time I was hauling some tires to give to John Swauger. Perhaps I was just due. Darrell From janah at att.net Sun Aug 9 16:50:35 2009 From: janah at att.net (janah at att.net) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:50:35 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Time to Mill the Head & Deck the Block In-Reply-To: <003d01ca1843$96125620$6401a8c0@willhuq4x0qsgd> References: <003d01ca1843$96125620$6401a8c0@willhuq4x0qsgd> Message-ID: <080920092250.17210.4A7F52BB0002F2A70000433A22230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF080E020E06@att.net> Hi Ed, Thanks for the advice. 9.5:1 compression is pretty moderate and I will be able to run on pump gas. I won't have to use octane boost or anything exotic like aviation gas. -------------- Original message from ed : -------------- > John: > > I would do some serious research on the fuel octane that you would require. > Then, I would make sure that I was able to buy that required high octane > fuel at a local gas pump, so I could fuel up properly; and I mean without > using octane boosters, chemical additives; mixing, and personal exposure to > some pretty toxic chemicals. > > Ed Bratt > Regina, Saskatchewan > 1976 TR6 > From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 20:24:32 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:24:32 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TRF Summer Party 2009 Message-ID: We just got back from the 2009 Roadster Factory Summer Party. HAD AN ABSOLUTE BLAST. It was great visiting with everybody. Below are a couple of videos. Do a cut and paste. One is an in-car video of me in the Spitfire at the autocross and the second is Jason in Evelyn's TR8 at the LemMans Start contest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXvbaOhfDZU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHLZCspTWY Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sun Aug 9 20:56:05 2009 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:56:05 EDT Subject: [6pack] Johnmac Visit Message-ID: Our Club had a delightful visit and dinner with Johnmac this evening. Tomorrow is a down day for John before a trip to Fayettetville (sp) for Tuesday. If anyone is on the list from the Arkansas club please send John and I an e-mail so we can co-ordinate the hand off Tuesday. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs Member at Large 918-625-6798 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From rccpl1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 05:48:08 2009 From: rccpl1 at yahoo.com (john doe) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] colortune Message-ID: <214323.33978.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> anyone in the ny or nj area have one that i can borrow to get the mixture right on a su conversion for a tr6 thanks ralph from pearl river ny From ken at azkiwis.com Wed Aug 12 10:23:49 2009 From: ken at azkiwis.com (Ken Davis) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:23:49 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. Message-ID: <44E50F1AD3794B2E845E7A0C78FCA40B@AcerPC> Brain freeze. plus poor prior planning. Got my beast running again -sort of. Was running, but points were very worn and almost unadjustable. Carefully removed them but did not pay attention to the order of plastic insulators and wires... Starting from the base... A plastic insulator Then the spring Then the 2 wires then the other insulator then the bolt... is this right??? Thanks Ken 73 TR6 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 10:51:50 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. In-Reply-To: <44E50F1AD3794B2E845E7A0C78FCA40B@AcerPC> References: <44E50F1AD3794B2E845E7A0C78FCA40B@AcerPC> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Ken Davis wrote: > Brain freeze. plus poor prior planning. > > Got my beast running again -sort of. Was running, but points were very worn > and almost unadjustable. Carefully removed them but did not pay attention > to the order of plastic insulators and wires... > > Starting from the base... > > A plastic insulator > Then the spring > Then the 2 wires > then the other insulator > then the bolt... > > > is this right??? It's "right" when everything is connected and the points are open that there is no path to ground when you put your ohm meter on the input to the points. Or your test light. But to your question - "it sounds right", although I _think_ you want the two wires on top of the upper insulator. It's right when there's a path to ground when the points are closed and no path to ground when the points open. I must have fixed this 20 or 30 times when my Dad or my brother tried doing a "tune-up" back inthe day. They'd get it wrong every time. Eventually, they just called me and asked me to do the job. :-) > Thanks > > > Ken > 73 TR6 _______________________________________________ regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stan.foster at hp.com Wed Aug 12 10:59:41 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:59:41 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. In-Reply-To: <44E50F1AD3794B2E845E7A0C78FCA40B@AcerPC> References: <44E50F1AD3794B2E845E7A0C78FCA40B@AcerPC> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72D5150C8799@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> You've got it Ken. The plastic insulators isolate the electrical connection to just the points. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Davis Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:24 PM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. Brain freeze. plus poor prior planning. Got my beast running again -sort of. Was running, but points were very worn and almost unadjustable. Carefully removed them but did not pay attention to the order of plastic insulators and wires... Starting from the base... A plastic insulator Then the spring Then the 2 wires then the other insulator then the bolt... is this right??? Thanks Ken 73 TR6 From ken at azkiwis.com Wed Aug 12 11:03:19 2009 From: ken at azkiwis.com (Ken Davis) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:03:19 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72D5150C8799@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <44E50F1AD3794B2E845E7A0C78FCA40B@AcerPC> <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72D5150C8799@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: Thanks Stan, thought it was right but.... Cranking gives no start, no power to plugs, no flash on the timing light... gonna reinstall once more then go back to the old set... sigh. Ken 73 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foster, Stan (HP IT)" To: "Ken Davis" ; "6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 09:59 Subject: RE: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. You've got it Ken. The plastic insulators isolate the electrical connection to just the points. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Davis Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:24 PM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. Brain freeze. plus poor prior planning. Got my beast running again -sort of. Was running, but points were very worn and almost unadjustable. Carefully removed them but did not pay attention to the order of plastic insulators and wires... Starting from the base... A plastic insulator Then the spring Then the 2 wires then the other insulator then the bolt... is this right??? Thanks Ken 73 TR6 From ken at azkiwis.com Wed Aug 12 11:24:08 2009 From: ken at azkiwis.com (Ken Davis) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:24:08 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. In-Reply-To: References: <44E50F1AD3794B2E845E7A0C78FCA40B@AcerPC><41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72D5150C8799@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <7664FD83107D478EBF0BF29D83E26CC2@AcerPC> Stan, it was the "new" points. Straight out of the box - cleaned with solvent, a brush and a lite file... Put in the old ones... vroom vroom Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Davis" To: "Foster, Stan (HP IT)" ; "6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:03 Subject: Re: [6pack] Stupid Question on Points. > Thanks Stan, thought it was right but.... Cranking gives no start, no > power to plugs, no flash on the timing light... gonna reinstall once > more then go back to the old set... > You are subscribed as ken at azkiwis.com From KKSMC at aol.com Thu Aug 13 12:51:55 2009 From: KKSMC at aol.com (KKSMC at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:51:55 EDT Subject: [6pack] 6 PACK Trials site info Message-ID: Will be attending 6PACK Trials activities in NJ in Sept. Please advise on main location for activities on Long Beach Island during Trials events. Website does not indicate any specific location or schedule of events. Any info is appreciated. '73.5-'6 From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Thu Aug 13 13:45:52 2009 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:45:52 -0600 Subject: [6pack] 6 PACK Trials site info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007e01ca1c4e$ab866960$02933c20$@edu> Long Beach Island? Speaking for myself, MY main activities would be drinking beer and admiring bikini bodies. Not necessarily in that order. YMMV. Kevin Kevin McNelis K5KMC 575-571-7326 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KKSMC at aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:52 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net; mailman-owner at autox.team.net; webmaster at 6-pack.org Subject: [6pack] 6 PACK Trials site info Will be attending 6PACK Trials activities in NJ in Sept. Please advise on main location for activities on Long Beach Island during Trials events. Website does not indicate any specific location or schedule of events. Any info is appreciated. '73.5-'6 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Aug 13 14:21:31 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:21:31 -0400 Subject: [6pack] 6 PACK Trials site info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <391C52AEA34146669D1C47B432E81AF1@BOBSNEWPC> It's all right there on the 6-Pack Site http://www.6-pack.org/TRials09/html/Trials09home.html Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KKSMC at aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:52 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net; mailman-owner at autox.team.net; webmaster at 6-pack.org Subject: [6pack] 6 PACK Trials site info Will be attending 6PACK Trials activities in NJ in Sept. Please advise on main location for activities on Long Beach Island during Trials events. Website does not indicate any specific location or schedule of events. Any info is appreciated. '73.5-'6 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From im_sloane at hotmail.com Thu Aug 13 15:53:04 2009 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:53:04 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Castrol EDGE Message-ID: OK, I hate that little Castrol 'Scottish' guy, and I'm not switching to synthetic no matter how many times he hits me with that darn dip-stick! I assume EDGE is 'really' synthetic oil, not like the 'new synthetic' brake fluid that is really the same good old stuff in a new bottle. It's amazing how marketing can ruin a company. I really hate that little guy. (haha) Sloane :) 69-Six _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackTo School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Thu Aug 13 16:34:30 2009 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:34:30 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Castrol EDGE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a701ca1c66$39fe75e0$adfb61a0$@edu> The last time I "thought with my dipstick, Jimmy", I got a good case of the clap..... I know, Too Much Information! Kevin -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of im sloane Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:53 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Castrol EDGE OK, I hate that little Castrol 'Scottish' guy, and I'm not switching to synthetic no matter how many times he hits me with that darn dip-stick! I assume EDGE is 'really' synthetic oil, not like the 'new synthetic' brake fluid that is really the same good old stuff in a new bottle. It's amazing how marketing can ruin a company. I really hate that little guy. (haha) Sloane :) 69-Six _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackT o School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From trguy at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 13 17:37:11 2009 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:37:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Alloy Wheels Question Message-ID: <000b01ca1c6e$fb4abd00$f1e03700$@rr.com> Listers: I am looking into 16x7 alloy wheels from Rota as I heard these were good quality from the racers and are available for Datsun and Triumph. They only have a +04 offset available in the 16x7 and wondered if anyone had experience with +04 offset and knew if that would work with a stock TR6 brake and suspension system. Or, should I look for a zero offset. Thanks , Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL 75 TR6 From apackard68 at att.net Thu Aug 13 18:38:07 2009 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:38:07 -0700 Subject: [6pack] height of accelerator pedal Message-ID: <9E58A23C-C38D-478D-BCF3-40096707B3BF@att.net> Hi everyone: What is the height of your accelerator pedal relative to your brake pedal height? Right now mine are about even, but my modern MINI's pedal is significantly lower than the brake. If I set my TR pedal at the same relative height, I don't think I could get full throttle, and we all love some full throttle every once in a while. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Andy CD6746L HVDA Dual Strombergs after frustration with Triple Webers From stan.foster at hp.com Thu Aug 13 19:13:05 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:13:05 +0000 Subject: [6pack] height of accelerator pedal In-Reply-To: <9E58A23C-C38D-478D-BCF3-40096707B3BF@att.net> References: <9E58A23C-C38D-478D-BCF3-40096707B3BF@att.net> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72D5150C8A74@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Andy, my accelerator pedal is slightly lower than the brake but not much. I find this quite comfortable and arrived at that setting through experimentation (tried both higher and lower). I have the 3xDCOE carb setup and as I'm sure you know had to fiddle a bit with linkage to get it all working right but I have no problem achieving wide open throttle on the Webers with the pedal at this height. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Packard Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:38 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] height of accelerator pedal Hi everyone: What is the height of your accelerator pedal relative to your brake pedal height? Right now mine are about even, but my modern MINI's pedal is significantly lower than the brake. If I set my TR pedal at the same relative height, I don't think I could get full throttle, and we all love some full throttle every once in a while. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Andy CD6746L HVDA Dual Strombergs after frustration with Triple Webers _______________________________________________ From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Thu Aug 13 19:27:52 2009 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:27:52 -0600 Subject: [6pack] TTA Charity Drive arrival to Colorado Message-ID: <4A84BD98.9030808@triumphstagclub.org> Hello All, John Marcartney and "Uncle Jack" are now sweating it out in Texas. When I was there two years ago for VTR, it was 115 F!!! Here is the schedule from the TTA web site starting the 18th of August for caravaners in the North Texas, New Mexico, and Rocky Mountain Colorado regions. Tuesday 08/18 - Departure from Amarillo TX to Raton NM to Rendezvous with any and all caravaners to escort John to Colorado Springs. After an overnighter in Colorado Springs - Wednesday 08/19 - drive up and down Pikes Peak Toll road, then lunch in Colorado Springs , then north toward and through Denver before rush hour! ALL ROCKY MOUNTAIN BRITISH CLUBS: John is available for a talk about Coventry Motor industry days either Thursday 20th or Friday 21st evenings. Contact Glenn Merrell ASAP to set something up at your venue and invite all the other British Car clubs and members - pass the hat! Any arrangements and organization are greatly appreciated! At this point, were at about past the halfway point in terms of distance covered and distance to go before the finish. With this in mind, Glenn and Susan Merrell have kindly asked John to spend a few days R&R with them in Lafayette, Colorado. Glenn is past Chairman and President of The Triumph Stag Club, USA and very much of a moving light in the organization and co-ordination of the Triumph Trans-AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009, Glenn being the TTA North American Charity Drive 2009 Coordinator. Sun. 23 August. A visit to Fort Collins as a guest of The British Motoring Club of Northern Colorado Tue 25 August. The Drive resumes with John and uncle jack leaving Fort Collins, en-route for an evening meet with the guys and gals of somewhere between Ft. Collins and Omaha NE. Cheers! -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org From yellowtr at adelphia.net Thu Aug 13 19:29:42 2009 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:29:42 -0400 Subject: [6pack] height of accelerator pedal In-Reply-To: <9E58A23C-C38D-478D-BCF3-40096707B3BF@att.net> References: <9E58A23C-C38D-478D-BCF3-40096707B3BF@att.net> Message-ID: <200908132129.43405.yellowtr@adelphia.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 08:38:07 pm Andrew Packard wrote: > Hi everyone: > What is the height of your accelerator pedal relative to your brake > pedal height? Right now mine are about even, but my modern MINI's > pedal is significantly lower than the brake. If I set my TR pedal at > the same relative height, I don't think I could get full throttle, and > we all love some full throttle every once in a while. > > Thanks in advance for your feedback. > > Andy > CD6746L HVDA > Dual Strombergs after frustration with Triple Webers Andy,, On my 4 I have the break and gas petal at the same height. That way it is very easy to double clutch etc. On the 3 the gas petal is much lower than the 4 and one of these days I will adjust it to be the same as the 4. So my advise is to make the gas petal the same as the break. Bob From emanteno at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 21:19:14 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:19:14 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Alloy Wheels Question In-Reply-To: <000b01ca1c6e$fb4abd00$f1e03700$@rr.com> References: <000b01ca1c6e$fb4abd00$f1e03700$@rr.com> Message-ID: <354a1780908132019w5a009080x416a73e8ebec7995@mail.gmail.com> I'm using 16x7 Konig Rewinds, and I think they are zero offset. They fit great, and I'm running 205/55x16 tires on them and have no rubbing issues at all. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > Listers: > > I am looking into 16x7 alloy wheels from Rota as I heard these were good > quality from the racers and are available for Datsun and Triumph. They > only > have a +04 offset available in the 16x7 and wondered if anyone had > experience with +04 offset and knew if that would work with a stock TR6 > brake and suspension system. Or, should I look for a zero offset. > > > > Thanks , > > Jim Henningsen > > Maitland, FL > > 75 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as emanteno at gmail.com From tr6parts at charter.net Thu Aug 13 21:42:17 2009 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:42:17 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Alloy Wheels Question References: <000b01ca1c6e$fb4abd00$f1e03700$@rr.com> Message-ID: <50D46BB8839F49D794262C1A82C38AE8@Alan> Go for the 17's. I want to know how they fit. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Henningsen" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: [6pack] Alloy Wheels Question > Listers: > > I am looking into 16x7 alloy wheels from Rota as I heard these were good > quality from the racers and are available for Datsun and Triumph. They > only > have a +04 offset available in the 16x7 and wondered if anyone had > experience with +04 offset and knew if that would work with a stock TR6 > brake and suspension system. Or, should I look for a zero offset. > > > > Thanks , > > Jim Henningsen > > Maitland, FL > > 75 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as tr6parts at charter.net From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:50:07 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:50:07 -0500 Subject: [6pack] car rpm's drop to 0 References: <000b01ca1c6e$fb4abd00$f1e03700$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49B06F9A5EA446369AF68ECA7D973CE8@ranteer.local> hi, all. 72 tr6, gp2 cam, triple carbs, lightened flywheel, shaved, ported, polished, decked runs fine around town, but coming off the freeway when you take it out of gear it just dies. any thoughts? From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 23:09:25 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:09:25 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Birmingham Mechanic Message-ID: <0F298410FE1C4F0F8801A705FC2DE4E2@ranteer.local> hi. i'm looking for someone in the birmingham (AL) area who might be able to tune a 3 carb TR6 thanks! From rccpl1 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 04:12:40 2009 From: rccpl1 at yahoo.com (john doe) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] voltage stabalizer Message-ID: <785552.61508.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> having a problem with my fuel gauge and temp gauge bought a new vs and nothing is there a way to check it and to see if the gauges are working ,also can you take out the gas tank sending unit without taking out the tank From trguy at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 14 05:33:28 2009 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:33:28 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Alloy Wheels Question In-Reply-To: <354a1780908132019w5a009080x416a73e8ebec7995@mail.gmail.com> References: <000b01ca1c6e$fb4abd00$f1e03700$@rr.com> <354a1780908132019w5a009080x416a73e8ebec7995@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601ca1cd3$0b78e530$226aaf90$@rr.com> Irv: Thanks for the response. Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL 75 TR6 From: Irv Korey [mailto:emanteno at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:19 PM To: James Henningsen Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Alloy Wheels Question I'm using 16x7 Konig Rewinds, and I think they are zero offset. They fit great, and I'm running 205/55x16 tires on them and have no rubbing issues at all. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM, James Henningsen wrote: Listers: I am looking into 16x7 alloy wheels from Rota as I heard these were good quality from the racers and are available for Datsun and Triumph. They only have a +04 offset available in the 16x7 and wondered if anyone had experience with +04 offset and knew if that would work with a stock TR6 brake and suspension system. Or, should I look for a zero offset. Thanks , Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL 75 TR6 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as emanteno at gmail.com From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Fri Aug 14 06:13:24 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:13:24 -0400 Subject: [6pack] voltage stabalizer In-Reply-To: <785552.61508.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <785552.61508.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47841236AB0D4C598C897787C72D3C45@BOBSNEWPC> What year TR6.....wiring varies with different years. What kind of a problem did you have with your gauges? No readings, erratic readings, inaccurate readings....Both gauges are fed by the same wire (LG or LG/G) and the VS is fed by a green wire. Are both gauges properly grounded? The more info, the easier it is to help. If you search the 6-Pack Forum (www.6-pack.org) you'll find pictures on how to replace the sending unit without totally removing the gas tank from the car. You can pivot the right side of the tank enough to get access to the sending unit after removing the filler cap and all the tank bolts. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john doe Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:13 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] voltage stabalizer having a problem with my fuel gauge and temp gauge bought a new vs and nothing is there a way to check it and to see if the gauges are working ,also can you take out the gas tank sending unit without taking out the tank 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From stan.foster at hp.com Fri Aug 14 06:19:26 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:19:26 +0000 Subject: [6pack] car rpm's drop to 0 In-Reply-To: <49B06F9A5EA446369AF68ECA7D973CE8@ranteer.local> References: <000b01ca1c6e$fb4abd00$f1e03700$@rr.com> <49B06F9A5EA446369AF68ECA7D973CE8@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72D5150C8AB6@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Going to need more info I think... What carbs are these ? What fuel pump are you using ? Is this the only scenario when it dies, ie it will otherwise idle in the driveway, at a stop light etc but after a high speed run or after a tight bend (?) it dies ?. What if you don't take it out of gear but just disengage the clutch does it still die ? After it dies, what must happen before it restarts ? Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of oliver Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:50 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] car rpm's drop to 0 hi, all. 72 tr6, gp2 cam, triple carbs, lightened flywheel, shaved, ported, polished, decked runs fine around town, but coming off the freeway when you take it out of gear it just dies. any thoughts? From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Aug 14 07:02:57 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] car rpm's drop to 0 In-Reply-To: <49B06F9A5EA446369AF68ECA7D973CE8@ranteer.local> References: <000b01ca1c6e$fb4abd00$f1e03700$@rr.com> <49B06F9A5EA446369AF68ECA7D973CE8@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Hi, What do the plugs look like? Do yo smell fuel? Is there any sort of vacuum leak problem? Try blocking the brake booster hose and re-test. Some of us have had that prob where the brake booster diaphragm is shot and you loose vac. on decel/braking. But I'd "read" the plugs when it dies. They don't lie. You just have to read them "right". regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr6taylor at webtv.net Fri Aug 14 13:50:52 2009 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:50:52 GMT Subject: [6pack] car rpm's drop to 0 Message-ID: Oliver---With the information given, I'll take a stab at it. IF...you no longer have the (hot) water pipe running thru the manifold, then long runs at highway speeds could cause the carbs to get cold. The engine would then act as it would when starting a cold engine, and require CHOKE. One way to test this is to pop the hood and feel the intake manifold and carbs to see if they are cold, after such a run. If so, you'll then have to figure a way to keep the carbs and/or fuel warm during these episodes. Dick -----Original Message----- From: oliver Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:50 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] car rpm's drop to 0 hi, all. 72 tr6, gp2 cam, triple carbs, lightened flywheel, shaved, ported, polished, decked runs fine around town, but coming off the freeway when you take it out of gear it just dies. any thoughts? 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From tr6taylor at webtv.net Fri Aug 14 14:05:48 2009 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:05:48 GMT Subject: [6pack] height of accelerator pedal Message-ID: Andy---To get a little more leg room, I bent the pedal so it would be one inch below the brake pedal. (Before that, it was even with, or slightly above the brake) This is easy enough to do, as the pedal rod is soft. To keep full acceleration, the pedal stop bolt was lowered. I think the pinch bolt position was also changed a little along the way. All's well... Dick -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:38 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] height of accelerator pedal Hi everyone: What is the height of your accelerator pedal relative to your brake pedal height? Right now mine are about even, but my modern MINI's pedal is significantly lower than the brake. If I set my TR pedal at the same relative height, I don't think I could get full throttle, and we all love some full throttle every once in a while. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Andy CD6746L HVDA Dual Strombergs after frustration with Triple Webers 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From rccpl1 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 08:16:12 2009 From: rccpl1 at yahoo.com (john doe) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] su carb owners Message-ID: <201230.11022.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> any one out there that has a tr6 su carb conversion get back to me please i have a few questions to ask ralph from new york. From sullij at att.net Sun Aug 16 07:47:11 2009 From: sullij at att.net (John G. Sullivan) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:47:11 -0400 Subject: [6pack] SU conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01ca1e78$0ee296c0$2ca7c440$@net> I have the SU conversion. What Questions do you have? /john sullivan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 6pack-request at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:00 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 3, Issue 239 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to 6pack at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 6pack-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at 6pack-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." From johncnorth at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 18:46:06 2009 From: johncnorth at gmail.com (John North) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:46:06 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Overdrive plate Message-ID: <49f668fe0908161746r6865836dk37668531704430b@mail.gmail.com> Does the later model - 76 - have a plate on the rear that says Overdrive. I bought a plate a while ago, then realized that it fits with the Triumph plate on the earlier models. Haven't been able to find a pic of a late model to see where or if it fits... Who's got a late model with OD? John North From stan.foster at hp.com Sun Aug 16 19:02:00 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:02:00 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Overdrive plate In-Reply-To: <49f668fe0908161746r6865836dk37668531704430b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49f668fe0908161746r6865836dk37668531704430b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72D5150C8C04@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> John, I think they dropped the OD badge when they moved the TRIUMPH badge. On my 74.5 I put the TRIUMPH badge back where it belongs and hung an OD badge from it when I retrofitted the OD. Problem solved. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John North Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:46 PM To: Triumph 6 Pack Subject: [6pack] Overdrive plate Does the later model - 76 - have a plate on the rear that says Overdrive. I bought a plate a while ago, then realized that it fits with the Triumph plate on the earlier models. Haven't been able to find a pic of a late model to see where or if it fits... Who's got a late model with OD? John North 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as stan.foster at hp.com From aldwyn at sylvancircle.org Sun Aug 16 19:46:29 2009 From: aldwyn at sylvancircle.org (Aldwyn) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:46:29 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Overdrive plate In-Reply-To: <49f668fe0908161746r6865836dk37668531704430b@mail.gmail.com > References: <49f668fe0908161746r6865836dk37668531704430b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20090816214539.03fecf70@216.7.163.243> John, My 76 with OD did/does not have the Overdrive badge. Thanks! Aldwyn At 08:46 PM 8/16/2009, John North wrote: >Does the later model - 76 - have a plate on the rear that says >Overdrive. I bought a plate a while ago, then realized that it fits >with the Triumph plate on the earlier models. Haven't been able to >find a pic of a late model to see where or if it fits... > >Who's got a late model with OD? > >John North From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 12:40:18 2009 From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Transmission rear seal Message-ID: <780659.20216.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a persistent leak from the rear seal on my transmission and thought while I was replacing the old differential with the Q45 LSD I would also change the old tranny seal. Are there any tricks to this or do I just pry the old one out and drive the new one in? I know the old saw that "if a British car stops leaking it's out of oil" applies but since I have the motor down to a drop or two every now and then, and hopefully the new Japanese diff won't leak, I thought I would see what I could do with the tranny. Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR 6, soon with LSD (no, not the kind from the 70s) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From yellowtr at adelphia.net Mon Aug 17 16:59:28 2009 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:59:28 -0400 Subject: [6pack] rear tail light lens screws 72 TR6 Project. Message-ID: <200908171859.29216.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Hi, When removing the small phillips head screws that secure the rear lenses to the tail light bodys I had a terrible time with those screws. Was wondering if anyone on the list has replaced them with a torque head type screw maybe in the stainless version. If anyone has and they remember the size etc or a McMaster Carr reference # please forward your information. Thanks, Bob From mjmullin at juno.com Tue Aug 18 17:19:28 2009 From: mjmullin at juno.com (mjmullin at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:19:28 GMT Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable Trouble Message-ID: <20090818.191928.3143.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hi all: Hate to dredge up an old topic, but there was a thread in June about speedo cable troubles and the fact that maybe the inner cable stuck into the speedo too much. It's strange that all my pieces seem to work untill everything is assembled (i.e., the cable spins when disconnected from the speedo while driving, and I can spin the speedo with the cable and a drill....). What muddies the waters more is this all came about when I changed the OD angle drive (the big gear fell out while driving one day). My cable may be too short, as the shoulder at the speedo end is 0.2 inch and that seems to be the same depth as the square drive sits down in the speedo. To the point - who's the preferred vendor for a speedo cable? Thanks - Matt ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsO1tSmxyZzcBpBdOUTuKcIE3a7a CRfmwfktbpqEHmCikTerhXK7R2/ From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Tue Aug 18 18:31:08 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:31:08 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable Trouble In-Reply-To: <20090818.191928.3143.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090818.191928.3143.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <834C6E6FF2314D22AF1208BF14303A03@BOBSNEWPC> That may have been my response from when I had my speedo and tach rebuilt by West Valley Auto. Basically Morris at West Valley specified what the min/max protrusion should be along with the diameter of the tip. I had him rebuild both of my cables when he did the instruments. I think it cost about $25 and both work perfectly now. You can get the info here http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpeedometerCalibration.htm As to a preferred vendor....I wouldn't go with any of them......I'd have Morris rebuild the existing cable. All he does is British instruments and he guarantees his work. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mjmullin at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:19 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable Trouble Hi all: Hate to dredge up an old topic, but there was a thread in June about speedo cable troubles and the fact that maybe the inner cable stuck into the speedo too much. It's strange that all my pieces seem to work untill everything is assembled (i.e., the cable spins when disconnected from the speedo while driving, and I can spin the speedo with the cable and a drill....). What muddies the waters more is this all came about when I changed the OD angle drive (the big gear fell out while driving one day). My cable may be too short, as the shoulder at the speedo end is 0.2 inch and that seems to be the same depth as the square drive sits down in the speedo. To the point - who's the preferred vendor for a speedo cable? Thanks - Matt ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsO1tSmxyZzcBpBdOUTuKcIE3a7 a CRfmwfktbpqEHmCikTerhXK7R2/ 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From jsnable at mac.com Tue Aug 18 21:54:04 2009 From: jsnable at mac.com (Jay Snable) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:54:04 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Transmission rear seal In-Reply-To: <780659.20216.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <780659.20216.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, It's been a while since I worked on my car's rear seal leak, but I think the seal was pretty easy to remove once the flange was off. More importantly in my case, I did the job twice as a new seal did not fix the leak. I ended up using a Speedi-Sleeve to provide a new sealing surface on the flange. I think I just measured the diameter and got one at Napa rather than ordering from one of the usual suspects. Not cheap, but something to consider while you are doing this job... Jay '73 TR6 On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:40 AM, michael lunsford wrote: > I have a persistent leak from the rear seal on my transmission and > thought > while I was replacing the old differential with the Q45 LSD I would > also > change the old tranny seal. Are there any tricks to this or do I > just pry the > old one out and drive the new one in? I know the old saw that "if a > British > car stops leaking it's out of oil" applies but since I have the > motor down to > a drop or two every now and then, and hopefully the new Japanese > diff won't > leak, I thought I would see what I could do with the tranny. > > Mike Lunsford, > 1970 TR 6, soon with LSD (no, not the kind from the 70s) From brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 18 22:20:06 2009 From: brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca (Bruce Simms) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? Message-ID: <164861.56048.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Is there an easier way to remove the oil line from the oil pressure guage? The manual has you removing the speedo and tach to lower the dashboard to the service position. It looks like you could remove the ashtray and get a bit of access, although I'm not sure you have enough room to actually get anything done. If someone's done this, maybe they could explain. While my oil pressure line hasn't failed, I'm hearing more about this happening. Thank you, Bruce Simms 73 TR6 __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Aug 18 22:45:40 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:45:40 EDT Subject: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? Message-ID: Bruce, you might want to talk to Ted Schumacher of TSI. Ted has a new replacement line that is made of flexible braided steel. I have several and they work like a charm. I don't know about how others do it but I certainly don't drop the dash. I usually end up on my head with a flashlight in my mouth and perhaps the ash tray and one of the other gauges just loose but not disconnected. Try this link. _http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/_ (http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/) Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO From stan.foster at hp.com Wed Aug 19 00:10:38 2009 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:10:38 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? In-Reply-To: <164861.56048.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <164861.56048.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72D5150C90F9@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Bruce, Bob Danielson has some nice pictures of this procedure and I bet he will provide a link when he next checks in but basically you go in through the ash tray and remove the oil pressure gauge clamp nuts and then pull the gauge forward for easy access to the oil line. The original plastic line has a leather seal at the gauge end that you may need to replace and the TSI SS replacement uses a different fitting that I recall just uses some Teflon tape. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Simms Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:20 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? Is there an easier way to remove the oil line from the oil pressure guage? The manual has you removing the speedo and tach to lower the dashboard to the service position. It looks like you could remove the ashtray and get a bit of access, although I'm not sure you have enough room to actually get anything done. If someone's done this, maybe they could explain. While my oil pressure line hasn't failed, I'm hearing more about this happening. Thank you, Bruce Simms 73 TR6 From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 04:43:33 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:43:33 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? In-Reply-To: <164861.56048.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <164861.56048.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <354a1780908190343q47ebf9cbmbceac41b0a5a41b5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Bruce Simms wrote: > Is there an easier way to remove the oil line from the oil pressure guage? > The manual has you removing the speedo and tach to lower the dashboard to > the > service position. > > It looks like you could remove the ashtray and get a bit of > access, although I'm not sure you have enough room to actually get anything > done. If someone's done this, maybe they could explain. Yes, you can get in there through the ashtray opening, as long as your hands aren't too big. You can reach into the opening, turn the little thumbscrews that hold the gauge bracket and remove all of those pieces through the opening, then pull the gauge forward and out of the dash to access the oil line. I used this technique to install the stainless line that I got from Ted Schumacher. I also used some heat shrink tubing to cover the stainless hose where it passed under the dash so that it wouldn't abraid any wires it might come in contact with. Turned out to be a simple task through the ashtray opening. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL From r_rochlin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 05:06:57 2009 From: r_rochlin at hotmail.com (Bob Rochlin) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:06:57 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable Trouble In-Reply-To: <20090818.191928.3143.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090818.191928.3143.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: It was unlikely, but when I had the same trouble( all parts worked independently) it turned out that the case of my O/D unit was from an Austin Healy 3000. The only difference between the unit made for the TR6 and the A-H 300 is that the speedometer pinion from the TR6 seats too far out from the drive gear on the O/D drive shaft when normally assembled into the A-H case. I eventually set the pinion father into the overdrive body. The set screw, that would normally set into the counter bore on the speedometer pinion body now sets on the body of the speedometer pinion and all works well.Bob Rochlin'72 TR6 > From: mjmullin at juno.com > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:19:28 +0000 > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable Trouble > > Hi all: > Hate to dredge up an old topic, but there was a thread in June about speedo > cable troubles and the fact that maybe the inner cable stuck into the speedo > too much. It's strange that all my pieces seem to work untill everything is > assembled (i.e., the cable spins when disconnected from the speedo while > driving, and I can spin the speedo with the cable and a drill....). What > muddies the waters more is this all came about when I changed the OD angle > drive (the big gear fell out while driving one day). My cable may be too > short, as the shoulder at the speedo end is 0.2 inch and that seems to be the > same depth as the square drive sits down in the speedo. > To the point - who's the preferred vendor for a speedo cable? > Thanks - Matt > ____________________________________________________________ > Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more > info. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsO1tSmxyZzcBpBdOUTuKcIE3a7a > CRfmwfktbpqEHmCikTerhXK7R2/ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as r_rochlin at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM _HYGN_faster:082009 From tr6parts at charter.net Wed Aug 19 05:25:27 2009 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:25:27 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Transmission rear seal References: <780659.20216.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7426DC81D87E4B2D861129360EED3BB2@Alan> Hi Mike, I too, recommend speedi sleeve. I haven't used it for the transmission, but when I did a motor swap, it turned out that the replacement motor had a bad leak coming from the rear seal. Upon removal of the rear seal, I found a bad groove in the shaft. Not wanting to tear the motor apart to polish out the end, I got a speedi sleeve. So far no leak. Al Salvatore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Snable" To: "michael lunsford" Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Transmission rear seal > Hi Mike, > > It's been a while since I worked on my car's rear seal leak, but I think > the seal was pretty easy to remove once the flange was off. More > importantly in my case, I did the job twice as a new seal did not fix the > leak. I ended up using a Speedi-Sleeve to provide a new sealing surface > on the flange. I think I just measured the diameter and got one at Napa > rather than ordering from one of the usual suspects. Not cheap, but > something to consider while you are doing this job... > > Jay > '73 TR6 > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:40 AM, michael lunsford wrote: > >> I have a persistent leak from the rear seal on my transmission and >> thought >> while I was replacing the old differential with the Q45 LSD I would also >> change the old tranny seal. Are there any tricks to this or do I just >> pry the >> old one out and drive the new one in? I know the old saw that "if a >> British >> car stops leaking it's out of oil" applies but since I have the motor >> down to >> a drop or two every now and then, and hopefully the new Japanese diff >> won't >> leak, I thought I would see what I could do with the tranny. >> >> Mike Lunsford, >> 1970 TR 6, soon with LSD (no, not the kind from the 70s) From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Wed Aug 19 05:59:15 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:59:15 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? In-Reply-To: <354a1780908190343q47ebf9cbmbceac41b0a5a41b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <164861.56048.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <354a1780908190343q47ebf9cbmbceac41b0a5a41b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2020D1A850344E608E9D1FA26C933795@BOBSNEWPC> I did it the way Irv describes except I also removed my tach to get a little more room. With the TSI S/S line you can't get it on without removing the OP gauge from the dash as the heater gets in the way. And I too highly recommend the S/S line from Ted Schumacher. There's a couple of pictures here: This one is looking through the ash tray http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ForumImages/OPBack.jpg Here's the gauge out and the S/S line installed. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ForumImages/OPLineGauge.jpg Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:44 AM To: Bruce Simms Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Bruce Simms wrote: > Is there an easier way to remove the oil line from the oil pressure guage? > The manual has you removing the speedo and tach to lower the > dashboard to the service position. > > It looks like you could remove the ashtray and get a bit of access, > although I'm not sure you have enough room to actually get anything > done. If someone's done this, maybe they could explain. Yes, you can get in there through the ashtray opening, as long as your hands aren't too big. You can reach into the opening, turn the little thumbscrews that hold the gauge bracket and remove all of those pieces through the opening, then pull the gauge forward and out of the dash to access the oil line. I used this technique to install the stainless line that I got from Ted Schumacher. I also used some heat shrink tubing to cover the stainless hose where it passed under the dash so that it wouldn't abraid any wires it might come in contact with. Turned out to be a simple task through the ashtray opening. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From forzion at maine.rr.com Wed Aug 19 12:06:32 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:06:32 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? Message-ID: <20090819180632.WDPPJ.694669.root@hrndva-web01-z01> Anyone out there recall the number for either the Mobil 1 or Purolator spin on filters? Thanks, Dave Friedlander '74-Six From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 19 12:13:14 2009 From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? In-Reply-To: <20090819180632.WDPPJ.694669.root@hrndva-web01-z01> References: <20090819180632.WDPPJ.694669.root@hrndva-web01-z01> Message-ID: <171612.94350.qm@web82608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> M1-209 I believe http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of100b.htm ________________________________ From: Dave To: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:06:32 AM Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? Anyone out there recall the number for either the Mobil 1 or Purolator spin on filters? Thanks, Dave Friedlander '74-Six 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as mailkendall at sbcglobal.net From jmcoh at comcast.net Wed Aug 19 12:22:36 2009 From: jmcoh at comcast.net (John Cohen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:22:36 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? In-Reply-To: <20090819180632.WDPPJ.694669.root@hrndva-web01-z01> References: <20090819180632.WDPPJ.694669.root@hrndva-web01-z01> Message-ID: <007601ca20fa$076d8010$16488030$@net> The Mobil 1 is M1-209 Purolater: L20195 I like the WIX: 51516 John Cohen 76 TR6 http://www.triumphowners.com/701 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:07 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? Anyone out there recall the number for either the Mobil 1 or Purolator spin on filters? Thanks, Dave Friedlander '74-Six From forzion at maine.rr.com Wed Aug 19 12:48:11 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:48:11 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? In-Reply-To: <007601ca20fa$076d8010$16488030$@net> Message-ID: <20090819184812.9IAXK.695721.root@hrndva-web01-z01> Thanks, John and all who responded.... I've heard WIX recommended before but not too many shops around here seem to carry that brand... Cheers! Dave ---- John Cohen wrote: > The Mobil 1 is M1-209 > Purolater: L20195 > I like the WIX: 51516 > > John Cohen > 76 TR6 > http://www.triumphowners.com/701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:07 PM > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? > > Anyone out there recall the number for either the Mobil 1 > or Purolator spin on filters? > > Thanks, > > Dave Friedlander > '74-Six From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 13:06:45 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:06:45 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? In-Reply-To: <20090819184812.9IAXK.695721.root@hrndva-web01-z01> References: <007601ca20fa$076d8010$16488030$@net> <20090819184812.9IAXK.695721.root@hrndva-web01-z01> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0908191206j1760e529g99d2618f84d5e100@mail.gmail.com> The Napa Gold number is 1516 [many of these filters are made by multiple manufacturers to spec]. I helped install a manufacturing information system at Champion filters in Fairfield IL a few years ago. They made their brand, plus NAPA, PEP Boys, Cragen, and numerous others by contract. The filters vary in design and construction depending on the spec. Pretty sure 1516 defined the spec that both NAPA and Wix used for that filter, Note: I think K&N has theirs specially made to their spec. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave wrote: > Thanks, John and all who responded.... I've heard WIX recommended > before but not too many shops around here seem to carry that brand... > > Cheers! > > Dave > > ---- John Cohen wrote: >> The Mobil 1 is M1-209 >> Purolater: L20195 >> I like the WIX: 51516 >> >> John Cohen >> 76 TR6 >> http://www.triumphowners.com/701 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:07 PM >> To: 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: [6pack] Mobil 1 Filter? >> >> Anyone out there recall the number for either the Mobil 1 >> or Purolator spin on filters? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave Friedlander >> '74-Six > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From tr6taylor at webtv.net Wed Aug 19 13:18:43 2009 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:18:43 GMT Subject: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? Message-ID: Bruce---If concerned about the possibility of this pressure line failing, short of replacing this line with a new one, it's good to carry a 1/8 inch pipe plug in the car with your other 'spare' parts. Inserting this plug into the block could at least stop the flow of oil onto your knickers and Nikes. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Simms Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:20 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Oil Pressure Line Replacement - Access? Is there an easier way to remove the oil line from the oil pressure guage? The manual has you removing the speedo and tach to lower the dashboard to the service position. It looks like you could remove the ashtray and get a bit of access, although I'm not sure you have enough room to actually get anything done. If someone's done this, maybe they could explain. While my oil pressure line hasn't failed, I'm hearing more about this happening. Thank you, Bruce Simms 73 TR6 __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:05:47 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:05:47 -0700 Subject: [6pack] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day Message-ID: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have some track experience. -- Chuck Arnold From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Wed Aug 19 22:07:58 2009 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:07:58 -0600 Subject: [6pack] TTA STTAG summits Pikes Peak, 14110 feel above sea level Message-ID: <4A8CCC1E.3040005@triumphstagclub.org> Hello All, Today 19 August 2009, John Macartney driving the TTA STTAG known as "Uncle Jack", lead by Glenn Merrell driving a 1973 Stag with Paul Lugo riding in the passenger seat, reached the 14110 foot (14115 feet in actuality) summit of Pikes Peak Colorado at approximately 10:00 am Mountain time. The STTAG behaved perfectly (actually both Stags performed admirably), the temperature needle never reaching midrange, the ZS carburetors providing constant power band all the way to the top of the Colorado 14er. This was after a hot drive from Amarillo to Raton NM for John the day before, then a drive from Raton NM to Colorado Springs for a night over. A pleasurable change was dry temperatures in the 50's F as opposed to lows of 80's. I'll get some photos up on FLICKR in the next day or two. John and the TTA Stag are now in Lafayette Colorado where the 6000 mile service list is being performed right around 8000 miles completed. Next event is a Meet and Greet with British Motoring Club of Northern Colorado, Sunday the 23rd of August. If you are a Colorado British Car enthusiast, come on by!! We need caravaners to travel with John and the STTAG from Ft. Collins to Omaha the 24th - 26th with a stop over at Pioneer Village near Kearney NE the 24th. If you have never been to Pioneer Village, you are missing a huge collection of cars, tractors, airplanes, and all sorts of Americana history. Cheers! -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org From forzion at maine.rr.com Sat Aug 22 17:35:26 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:35:26 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures Message-ID: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> Hello list; Been pretty quiet these past few days..... I know: Everyone must be on the Forum. Anyway, here's a pretty basic question but I have just been too curious to let it go. I know many of us ride on different sizes and many different brands of tires. Only a relatively small percentage, I would guess, still ride on stock dimensioned/ redline-type tires. When inflating tires, are we really to follow Triumph directions: 20 lbs. in the fronts, 24 in the rears? Will our more modern tires perform as well as they should with just 20 lbs. in them? Cheers, Dave Friedlander 74-Six From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 22 18:00:45 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:00:45 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1B5FD11D3A4CC299B8ABBCB15B878C@ranteer.local> i run yokes - 32/34 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Friedlander" To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures > Hello list; > > Been pretty quiet these past few days..... > > I know: Everyone must be on the Forum. > > Anyway, here's a pretty basic question but I have just been too curious > to let it go. > > I know many of us ride on different sizes and many different brands of > tires. > Only a relatively small percentage, I would guess, still ride on stock > dimensioned/ > redline-type tires. When inflating tires, are we really to follow > Triumph directions: > 20 lbs. in the fronts, 24 in the rears? Will our more modern tires > perform as well > as they should with just 20 lbs. in them? > > Cheers, > > Dave Friedlander > 74-Six > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as sumton at sbcglobal.net From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Sat Aug 22 18:06:48 2009 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:06:48 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <000301ca2385$9d61df20$d8259d60$@edu> Call me a luddite, but I still run stock size tires on steel wheels. Not relines, no innertubes, you know, modern tires. I run 30 psi all around. No understeer, and just enough oversteer to show off. YMMV Kevin Kevin McNelis K5KMC 575-571-7326 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:35 PM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures Hello list; Been pretty quiet these past few days..... I know: Everyone must be on the Forum. Anyway, here's a pretty basic question but I have just been too curious to let it go. I know many of us ride on different sizes and many different brands of tires. Only a relatively small percentage, I would guess, still ride on stock dimensioned/ redline-type tires. When inflating tires, are we really to follow Triumph directions: 20 lbs. in the fronts, 24 in the rears? Will our more modern tires perform as well as they should with just 20 lbs. in them? Cheers, Dave Friedlander 74-Six 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From shewfamily at aol.com Sat Aug 22 18:11:14 2009 From: shewfamily at aol.com (shewfamily at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:11:14 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: <4D1B5FD11D3A4CC299B8ABBCB15B878C@ranteer.local> References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> <4D1B5FD11D3A4CC299B8ABBCB15B878C@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <8CBF19D5CAF1853-7DC-3588@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> I run 28/30 on?the road?and 26/28 in town. John Shewmake '74 TR6 Birmingham, AL -----Original Message----- From: oliver To: 6-Pack <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures i run yokes - 32/34 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Friedlander" ? To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net>? Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:35 PM? Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures? ? > Hello list;? > > Been pretty quiet these past few days.....? > > I know: Everyone must be on the Forum.? > > Anyway, here's a pretty basic question but I have just been too curious? > to let it go.? > > I know many of us ride on different sizes and many different brands of > tires.? > Only a relatively small percentage, I would guess, still ride on stock > dimensioned/? > redline-type tires. When inflating tires, are we really to follow > Triumph directions:? > 20 lbs. in the fronts, 24 in the rears? Will our more modern tires > perform as well? > as they should with just 20 lbs. in them?? > > Cheers,? > > Dave Friedlander? > 74-Six? > _______________________________________________? > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? > > 6pack at autox.team.net? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack? > > http://www.team.net/archive? > > You are subscribed as sumton at sbcglobal.net? _______________________________________________? ? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? 6pack at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack? ? http://www.team.net/archive? ? You are subscribed as shewfamily at aol.com? From rmcbride at mi.rr.com Sat Aug 22 18:37:55 2009 From: rmcbride at mi.rr.com (Robert McBride) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:37:55 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <23EA18AE25E540B6AF6C4568C92E062C@home> I took mine out for it's first run in two years just last week.. It still has the redlines on it, started up easily so I pulled it out of the garage gave the tires a quick look and went for a drive.. I had a rough ride because of flat spots on the tires. And when stopping it wanted to pull to the right. I drove it about 6 miles came back and when I parked it noticed a lot of smoke coming from the left front fender area. My first thought was that the brake was dragging. I had to get the hose and lightly sprayed the tire as I was afraid that the heat might cause it to catch on fire.. After things cooled off I jacked her up and checked the brake it was not dragging at all.. So I lowered it back to the ground decided to add some air to the tires my inflater also has a gage on it and I remember that all the tires were in the 20# range but I put 35# in each one to try and keep them from flat spotting so much again. Took her for another ride and it was smoother riding but she still pulled to the right on braking but didn't smoke after that run of about 3 miles.. Gee at this rate I'll have 30,000 miles on her buy the end of summer.. was at 29,989 when I backed her back into the garage.. Looks like I'll have to do some more checking into the brakes..and repack the wheel bearing... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Friedlander" To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures > Hello list; > > Been pretty quiet these past few days..... > > I know: Everyone must be on the Forum. > > Anyway, here's a pretty basic question but I have just been too curious > to let it go. > > I know many of us ride on different sizes and many different brands of > tires. > Only a relatively small percentage, I would guess, still ride on stock > dimensioned/ > redline-type tires. When inflating tires, are we really to follow > Triumph directions: > 20 lbs. in the fronts, 24 in the rears? Will our more modern tires > perform as well > as they should with just 20 lbs. in them? > > Cheers, > > Dave Friedlander > 74-Six > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rmcbride at mi.rr.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 From fishplate at charter.net Sat Aug 22 20:01:06 2009 From: fishplate at charter.net (fishplate at charter.net) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:01:06 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: <23EA18AE25E540B6AF6C4568C92E062C@home> Message-ID: <20090822220106.ORZPZ.3920798.root@mp17> ---- Robert McBride wrote: > I took mine out for it's first run in two years just last week.. It still > has the redlines on it, How old are those tires? From forzion at maine.rr.com Sat Aug 22 20:07:35 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:07:35 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: <20090822220106.ORZPZ.3920798.root@mp17> References: <20090822220106.ORZPZ.3920798.root@mp17> Message-ID: <4A90A467.1040901@maine.rr.com> Whenever I put new tires on any of my other vehicles, Tire Rack always tells me to inflate them to whatever pressures the original manufacturer recommends. So I use the car's owner's manual. Apparently, not so for the Triumph.... Didn't think so. The tire info plate on the inside of my glove box door is, apparently, just for decoration.... Sounds like the list is using anywhere from 28 to 35 lbs! Dave Friedlander '74-Six fishplate at charter.net wrote: >---- Robert McBride wrote: > > >>I took mine out for it's first run in two years just last week.. It still >>has the redlines on it, >> >> > >How old are those tires? >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >6pack at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > >http://www.team.net/archive > >You are subscribed as forzion at maine.rr.com From rmcbride at mi.rr.com Sat Aug 22 21:22:59 2009 From: rmcbride at mi.rr.com (Robert McBride) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:22:59 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures References: <20090822220106.ORZPZ.3920798.root@mp17> Message-ID: <791CF3EB5E5544199F9A2D6701ABC5B5@home> I'm not sure but (2009 - 1976 =33) I'm sure they are less than 35 years old.. Good thing that I only drive it at 35 mph..most of the time.. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures > ---- Robert McBride wrote: >> I took mine out for it's first run in two years just last week.. It >> still >> has the redlines on it, > > How old are those tires? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rmcbride at mi.rr.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 From ajw at golden.net Sat Aug 22 21:32:18 2009 From: ajw at golden.net (john weir) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:32:18 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures References: <20090822220106.ORZPZ.3920798.root@mp17> <791CF3EB5E5544199F9A2D6701ABC5B5@home> Message-ID: At 35 years, the loss of elastomers in the rubber has made them a'kin to the rock tires I've seen on B.C. comics or Fred Flintstone cars. Please stop and put something newer and safe on those good 'ol steel wheels. Your family and friends will appreciate your extra time with them. Keeping the shinny side up. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McBride" To: ; "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures > I'm not sure but (2009 - 1976 =33) I'm sure they are less than 35 years > old.. Good thing that I only drive it at 35 mph..most of the time.. Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:01 PM > Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures > > >> ---- Robert McBride wrote: >>> I took mine out for it's first run in two years just last week.. It >>> still >>> has the redlines on it, >> >> How old are those tires? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> You are subscribed as rmcbride at mi.rr.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 > 18:04:00 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as ajw at golden.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 22 21:39:45 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:39:45 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures References: <20090822220106.ORZPZ.3920798.root@mp17><791CF3EB5E5544199F9A2D6701ABC5B5@home> Message-ID: old tires are DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!! we enjoy your contributions - please get rid of them ----- Original Message ----- From: "john weir" To: "Robert McBride" ; ; "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures > At 35 years, the loss of elastomers in the rubber has made them a'kin to > the rock tires I've seen on B.C. comics or Fred Flintstone cars. > Please stop and put something newer and safe on those good 'ol steel > wheels. Your family and friends will appreciate your extra time with them. > Keeping the shinny side up. > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert McBride" > To: ; "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:22 PM > Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures > > >> I'm not sure but (2009 - 1976 =33) I'm sure they are less than 35 years >> old.. Good thing that I only drive it at 35 mph..most of the time.. Bob >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> >> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures >> >> >>> ---- Robert McBride wrote: >>>> I took mine out for it's first run in two years just last week.. It >>>> still >>>> has the redlines on it, >>> >>> How old are those tires? From rmcbride at mi.rr.com Sat Aug 22 21:48:05 2009 From: rmcbride at mi.rr.com (Robert McBride) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:48:05 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures References: <20090822220106.ORZPZ.3920798.root@mp17><791CF3EB5E5544199F9A2D6701ABC5B5@home> Message-ID: <4543E8BE7F074BEDAC2881873F5DC496@home> But the older they get harder they get and the longer they will last.. Which is a lot different then my body is doing!!!! At twice the age... ----- Original Message ----- From: "oliver" To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures > old tires are DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!! > > we enjoy your contributions - please get rid of them > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john weir" > To: "Robert McBride" ; ; > "6-Pack" > <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures > > >> At 35 years, the loss of elastomers in the rubber has made them a'kin to >> the rock tires I've seen on B.C. comics or Fred Flintstone cars. >> Please stop and put something newer and safe on those good 'ol steel >> wheels. Your family and friends will appreciate your extra time with >> them. >> Keeping the shinny side up. >> John >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert McBride" >> To: ; "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> >> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures >> >> >>> I'm not sure but (2009 - 1976 =33) I'm sure they are less than 35 years >>> old.. Good thing that I only drive it at 35 mph..most of the time.. Bob >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures >>> >>> >>>> ---- Robert McBride wrote: >>>>> I took mine out for it's first run in two years just last week.. It >>>>> still >>>>> has the redlines on it, >>>> >>>> How old are those tires? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rmcbride at mi.rr.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sat Aug 22 22:37:59 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:37:59 +0200 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: <8CBF19D5CAF1853-7DC-3588@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: You mean you deflate them when entering a town and stop by the nearest station to inflate them when leaving that town again? Eric -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of shewfamily at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:11 AM To: sumton at sbcglobal.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures I run 28/30 on?the road?and 26/28 in town. John Shewmake '74 TR6 Birmingham, AL From anabil007 at comcast.net Sat Aug 22 23:16:12 2009 From: anabil007 at comcast.net (Bill) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:16:12 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: <000301ca2385$9d61df20$d8259d60$@edu> References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> <000301ca2385$9d61df20$d8259d60$@edu> Message-ID: Is it possible ... just possible ... that Coker Redlines are manufactured as "direct copies" of Redlines and still have the original date stamps?? Or is Coker required to date stamp them with actual date of manufacture ... Just a Thought -- Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA From rmcbride at mi.rr.com Sat Aug 22 23:47:32 2009 From: rmcbride at mi.rr.com (Robert McBride) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:47:32 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com><000301ca2385$9d61df20$d8259d60$@edu> Message-ID: <57F6ACFE74AD421884A837FFC7B1392A@home> They are required to use the real date... Next time I'm up at cottage I'll check mine for a date stamp but I don't think it was required back then.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: "Kevin McNelis" ; ; "'6-Pack'" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures > Is it possible ... just possible ... that Coker Redlines are > manufactured as "direct copies" of Redlines and still have the > original date stamps?? Or is Coker required to date stamp them with > actual date of manufacture ... > > Just a Thought > -- > > Bill Pugh > 1957 TR3 > "Casper" > TS16765L > Wallace, CA > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rmcbride at mi.rr.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 From forzion at maine.rr.com Sun Aug 23 15:10:31 2009 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:10:31 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A91B047.2050809@maine.rr.com> Thanks, Dick. Makes sense... I'm sure the 55-series I'm getting will need to run at a higher pressure. Certainly above anything Triumph ever envisioned.... Dave Sally or Dick Taylor wrote: >Dave---Triumph must've wanted us to have a boulevard ride (lots of compliance) when suggesting that the tire pressures be this low. The sidewalls were so tall that there was very little danger of bending a rim if hitting a pothole. If running with a shorter sidewall, such as the 70 series, or shorter profile, then the odds of damage goes up with such low pressures. More pressure and the shorter sidewall also means better handling, which many of us want. I keep mine around 28lb. (195-65) in front and 30lb. (205-70) in the rear. The ride is a little jiggly on our deteriorating roads, unless there is lots of stuff in the car, like on trips carrying suitcases, bowling balls, etc. Semi-comp springs adds to the stiffness. > >Dick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Friedlander >Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 4:35 PM >To: 6-Pack >Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures > >Hello list; > >Been pretty quiet these past few days..... > >I know: Everyone must be on the Forum. > >Anyway, here's a pretty basic question but I have just been too curious >to let it go. > >I know many of us ride on different sizes and many different brands of >tires. >Only a relatively small percentage, I would guess, still ride on stock >dimensioned/ >redline-type tires. When inflating tires, are we really to follow >Triumph directions: >20 lbs. in the fronts, 24 in the rears? Will our more modern tires >perform as well >as they should with just 20 lbs. in them? > >Cheers, > >Dave Friedlander >74-Six >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >6pack at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > >http://www.team.net/archive > >You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From shewfamily at aol.com Sun Aug 23 15:42:12 2009 From: shewfamily at aol.com (shewfamily at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:42:12 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CBF251B53850FA-F98-63BE@WEBMAIL-MC16.sysops.aol.com> So that is why it takes me so long on those drives.? Seriously, I have found that this small increase in pressure helps gas mileage but doesn't hurt ride quality that much. John Shewmake '74 TR6 Birmingham, AL -----Original Message----- From: Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) To: shewfamily at aol.com; sumton at sbcglobal.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:37 pm Subject: RE: [6pack] Tire Pressures You mean you deflate them when entering a town and stop by the nearest station to inflate them when leaving that town again? Eric -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of shewfamily at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:11 AM To: sumton at sbcglobal.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures I run 28/30 on?the road?and 26/28 in town. John Shewmake '74 TR6 Birmingham, AL From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 05:52:26 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi, I've played with tire pressures on TR6's for a long time. THe 20/24 for the stock tires results in a car that tends to push a bit. This is good for the vast majority of drivers. you can gett the handling to balance by making the pressures more equal, and you can get slightly better mileage by moving the pressures up a bit. I run 32/32 on my Old Yokohama A-509s. The car is very neutral and I can "rotate" it when needed. Of course I run stiff springs and big bars front/rear, but when I ran the stock suspension with stock tires (185/80-15) back in the day, I ran 28/28 on the street with no ill effects for years. I think I went up to higher pressures to get better mileage, but the handling was pretty much the same as the stock setup. if you want the car to rotate more (you probably do NOT want to do this, BTW) run slightly higher pressures in the front. Note, the above assumes that you are not running race tires or anything exotic. For example, some DOT race radials need big pressures - I ran 40 or 42 psi on the Hoosier radials when they first came out. I run more like 25 psi on the bias ply slicks on the race car. But no matter what you do, make sure you do not exceed the max pressure listed on the tire carcass. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 75teer6 at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 08:19:50 2009 From: 75teer6 at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:19:50 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <83dfea6b0908240719m264a867fy3371efc2e34d2da4@mail.gmail.com> Dick, Can you expand on your choice of tires that you mention in your message reproduced below? Front: 195-65, Rear: 205-70 It seems that the diameter is different front & back, as well as the width. What is your reasoning and experience with that choice? Is it particular to the suspension? Are you pleased with that comdination? Would you change that combination in the future? Looking forward to learn more. Henri 75 TR6, triple webers ================================= RE: Dick Taylor wrote: Dave---Triumph must've wanted us to have a boulevard ride (lots of compliance) when suggesting that the tire pressures be this low. The sidewalls were so tall that there was very little danger of bending a rim if hitting a pothole. If running with a shorter sidewall, such as the 70 series, or shorter profile, then the odds of damage goes up with such low pressures. More pressure and the shorter sidewall also means better handling, which many of us want. I keep mine around 28lb. (195-65) in front and 30lb. (205-70) in the rear. The ride is a little jiggly on our deteriorating roads, unless there is lots of stuff in the car, like on trips carrying suitcases, bowling balls, etc. Semi-comp springs adds to the stiffness. Dick From TR6UO at aol.com Mon Aug 24 09:10:16 2009 From: TR6UO at aol.com (TR6UO at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:10:16 EDT Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures Message-ID: Coker owns the redline molds, but they're located at the Michelin plant in South Carolina. Michelin makes them for Coker and the tires have to comply with all current regs, including date stamps. Interestingly, the red is from the casing and the outer wrap covers all but the red stripe. If you were to scrape the sidewall you'd see progressively more red. Check the date stamps and replace any tires that are too old. You can still buy the redlines, but the technology is from the 70s, so you're getting style over ride. If anyone needs help reading the date codes, you can call Michelin or Coker for help. Steve '72 CCUO In a message dated 8/22/2009 10:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, anabil007 at comcast.net writes: Is it possible ... just possible ... that Coker Redlines are manufactured as "direct copies" of Redlines and still have the original date stamps?? Or is Coker required to date stamp them with actual date of manufacture ... Just a Thought -- Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6uo at aol.com From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Aug 24 09:22:31 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:22:31 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: <000301ca2385$9d61df20$d8259d60$@edu> References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> <000301ca2385$9d61df20$d8259d60$@edu> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795712DF8EA4EC@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Kevin: Calling you a luddite would be the kettle calling the pot black. Anyone driving a 35 year old British car is a luddite by definition. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kevin McNelis Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:07 PM To: forzion at maine.rr.com; '6-Pack' Subject: Re: [6pack] Tire Pressures Call me a luddite, but I still run stock size tires on steel wheels. Not relines, no innertubes, you know, modern tires. I run 30 psi all around. No understeer, and just enough oversteer to show off. YMMV Kevin Kevin McNelis K5KMC 575-571-7326 From 75teer6 at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 09:29:52 2009 From: 75teer6 at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:29:52 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> <83dfea6b0908240719m264a867fy3371efc2e34d2da4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83dfea6b0908240829p6d125b6dsd55887fb81bffa6a@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Bob, I do not know the details about Dick's TR6, but based on his contributions I suspect he drives a very well sorted TR6, which is the reason for wanting to learn more about his choice of tires. At 118hp at the wheels (3,500 ft altitude), my 6 is not as powerful as a supercharged 6 but it goes very well. Every time I have the chance to run it at our local track I have a great time. I run Dunlop SP5000 205-65x15 on American Racing LeMans wheels, and feel very safe with them at speed. Henri On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Henri Lefebvre wrote: > >> Dick, >> >> Can you expand on your choice of tires that you mention in your >> message reproduced below? >> >> Front: 195-65, Rear: 205-70 >> >> It seems that the diameter is different front & back, as well as the >> width. >> What is your reasoning and experience with that choice? >> Is it particular to the suspension? >> Are you pleased with that comdination? >> Would you change that combination in the future? > > If you don't know about Dick's car, he runs a turbocharged TR6motor, so he's > putting some ponies to the ground not found in our "normally aspirtated" > TR6's. > >> Looking forward to learn more. >> >> Henri >> 75 TR6, triple webers > > Ah - a man after my own tastes! > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Henri 75 TR6, triple webers From 75teer6 at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 13:22:19 2009 From: 75teer6 at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:22:19 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Tire Pressures In-Reply-To: References: <4A9080BE.3030302@maine.rr.com> <83dfea6b0908240719m264a867fy3371efc2e34d2da4@mail.gmail.com> <83dfea6b0908240829p6d125b6dsd55887fb81bffa6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83dfea6b0908241222y681d6cefn64e5b48520e00366@mail.gmail.com> Bob, Mine are 6", I bought them used 30 years ago from a TR6 owner who was installing new chrome wire wheel conversions on a '69. The wire wheels looed good and classic, but I personally prefer the LeMans on my Red 6, especially that I probably have the only set in Calgary and area. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Henri Lefebvre wrote: > >> Thank you Bob, >> >> I do not know the details about Dick's TR6, but based on his >> contributions I suspect he drives a very well sorted TR6, which is the >> reason for wanting to learn more about his choice of tires. >> >> At 118hp at the wheels (3,500 ft altitude), my 6 is not as powerful as >> a supercharged 6 but it goes very well. Every time I have the chance >> to run it at our local track I have a great time. I run Dunlop SP5000 >> 205-65x15 on American Racing LeMans wheels, and feel very safe with >> them at speed. > > LeMans wheels? Kool. 6" or 5.5" (or 7")??? > > I have a couple of sets of 5.5" that I keep thinking I'll put on my street > car. 15 years and I still haven't done it yet! Well, I did race them for a > few years. That's gotta count for something. > >> Henri > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Henri 75 TR6, triple webers [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of VOTP 09, 4a.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of VOTP 2009 A.jpg] From jhmdds at aol.com Mon Aug 24 20:14:27 2009 From: jhmdds at aol.com (jhmdds at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:14:27 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Improved thrust washers Message-ID: <8CBF340E825E746-1064-1D018@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> Hey, I'm looking for the guy selling the improved thrust washers for my modified '75 Tr6. I think they are copper.? Can anyone help? Thank, James From lfm614 at aol.com Mon Aug 24 20:24:29 2009 From: lfm614 at aol.com ( ) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:24:29 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Improved thrust washers Message-ID: <1764546071-1251167125-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-773319348-@bxe1256.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> It's scott helms and they are bronze alloy cut to size. Just google TR6 + thrust washer and he should pop up. If not let me know and I will go look in my stuff at home. I put two custom cut ones in mine. Lou ------Original Message------ From: jhmdds at aol.com Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net To: TR-6 list Subject: [6pack] Improved thrust washers Sent: Aug 24, 2009 9:14 PM Hey, I'm looking for the guy selling the improved thrust washers for my modified '75 Tr6. I think they are copper.? Can anyone help? Thank, James 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as lfm614 at aol.com From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Mon Aug 24 20:28:02 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:28:02 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Improved thrust washers In-Reply-To: <8CBF340E825E746-1064-1D018@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBF340E825E746-1064-1D018@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7789FDC31E4E41B5B2A9600DF3C7EF74@BOBSNEWPC> Here's Scott's website....... http://www.customthrustwashers.com/ Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jhmdds at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:14 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Improved thrust washers Hey, I'm looking for the guy selling the improved thrust washers for my modified '75 Tr6. I think they are copper.? Can anyone help? Thank, James 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From jmitch at snet.net Tue Aug 25 05:41:38 2009 From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:41:38 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Improved thrust washers In-Reply-To: <8CBF340E825E746-1064-1D018@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBF340E825E746-1064-1D018@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A93CDF2.9070607@snet.net> Kai at Wishbone classics is also selling an improved washer. Same materials as the old one, but a bigger surface area with dimples to carry more oil. www.wbclassics.com Not sure which is better. John Mitchell 76 TR6 72 Stag jhmdds at aol.com wrote: > Hey, > > I'm looking for the guy selling the improved thrust washers for my modified '75 Tr6. I think they are copper.? Can anyone help? > > Thank, > > James From 70tr6 at comcast.net Tue Aug 25 10:38:25 2009 From: 70tr6 at comcast.net (Ashford Little) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:38:25 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Looking for John Gilbert Message-ID: <44061B29-7B98-4E9B-8045-98699500DB5F@comcast.net> If anyone knows John Gilbert then please have him contact me. Thanks, Ashford Little 70tr6 at comcast.net From 70tr6 at comcast.net Tue Aug 25 10:39:14 2009 From: 70tr6 at comcast.net (Ashford Little) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:39:14 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Looking for Don Hull Message-ID: <47D8BA65-3932-4664-8B12-852D9E5E23AF@comcast.net> I'm also looking for Don Hull. Please have him contact me. Ashford Little 70tr6 at comcast.net From 70tr6 at comcast.net Tue Aug 25 10:40:33 2009 From: 70tr6 at comcast.net (Ashford Little) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:40:33 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Missing members? Message-ID: <30A87C8A-B273-4F2A-B19F-F99CB5CDCF22@comcast.net> OK, last one, I'm looking for the following people so they can get their newsletter. Mark Campbell of TX Tom Suckling of OH Bill Green of GA Thanks, Ashford Little 70tr6 at comcast.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 15:44:42 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Racing For Charity Message-ID: Hi, This is pure unadulterated spam, so feel free to hit delete now. I wanted to "ring" all of you about what I'm doing this weekend. I'll be "racing against leukemia" with my Sports Car Club of America friends. In short, pretty much all the money collected the weekend for pledge runs in the autocross, a time, speed, distance rallye, road racing, track tours, etc. will all be turned over to the UMass Memorial Foundation earmarked for Leukemia research. Please go to: http://www.firstgiving.com/robertlang1 and consider making a donation of any size. If you're in a $$$ squeeze, don't frett, the site will accept donations up 'till 30-NOV-2009 And _tell your friends and extended family_, please. Thanks so much. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Wed Aug 26 14:13:12 2009 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:13:12 -0400 Subject: [6pack] [TR] Not good with electrical In-Reply-To: <20090826134305.69D541878DB@autox.team.net> References: <20090826134305.69D541878DB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Guys, If you haven't downloaded the FREE AAW wire schematics....do so. These were put together by Dan Masters with a lot of input from some very knowledgeable List members. They are more accurate than the factory schematics. You can get them here for a TR2-TR4A http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf and here for a TR250 and TR6 http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf After you download and save them, look at the TR6 schematic and you'll see that the trunk light was on an always hot purple wire until 1974 at which point it was moved to red wire working off of the headlight switch. So for 1973 and earlier, the light came on when the trunk was opened. From 1974 - 76, you had to have the headlight switch on for the light to work. It makes no sense to me but that's how it was done. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dlylis at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:42 AM To: fishplate at charter.net; triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Not good with electrical My 69 has the trunk light come on whenever the trunk is opened regardless of the light switch. ------Original Message------ From: fishplate at charter.net Sender: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Not good with electrical Sent: Aug 26, 2009 2:00 AM ---- Chip19474 at aol.com wrote: > > So, before you get too far along in your diagnosis, try turning the > lights on first! If it's a purple wire, it should work any time. If it's a red wire, it should only work when the parking lights are illuminated. And for the record, if the trunk light switch or wire were to fail so the trunk light was switched on all the time, I'd rather it be on only with the parking lights. In the daytime, you don't' need a light; and if one of the lights on my car is going to kill the battery, I'd prefer it to be a light in a place I'm likely to see rather than one hidden in the trunk. Jeff Athens This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Wed Aug 26 20:36:04 2009 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:36:04 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Caravaning from East to SLO - Triumphest - NATC 2009 Message-ID: <4A95F114.5010807@triumphstagclub.org> Hello Travelers to Triumphest / NATC 2009: ONLY 36 DAYS to TRIUMPHEST / North American Triumph Challenge 2009 in San Luis Obispo California!! I am completing my plans for caravaning to Triumphest / NATC 2009 from Colorado. In the past we have traveled solo in the Stag and had some pretty spectacular drives I reported on over the years. This one should not be any different. At present I am planning on a two day drive from Lafayette Colorado to San Luis Obispo California, and the moss don't grow under the wheels of this Stag! Get there, unpack and get with the program. Basic route is approximately 1200 miles; out of Denver west on I-70 through the Colorado Rockies to I-15 in Utah, south through Las Vegas then west to Barstow California, spice it up a bit and take CA HWY 58 west to CA HWY 223, CA HWY 166 (maybe a photo op at ButtonWillow track) across the mountains to Santa Maria, then north on 101 to Pismo Beach. I want to depart Colorado on either the 27th or 28th of September at the latest to arrive in Pismo the 29th. There is a large caravan of Triumphs planning to travel with the TTA STTAG and John Macartney from Monterey CA the morning of the 30th down 1A and I'd like to meet up with them about San Simeon on 1A late morning on the 30th to make the grand finale arrival drive into SLO. Comments and ideas? -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org From tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net Thu Aug 27 19:29:36 2009 From: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net (Tomislav Marincic) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:29:36 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Roll Bar Finishing Message-ID: <380-22009852812936421@earthlink.net> Bill, I painted mine body color, but got a padded cover for the top. Some pix are on my web page. Remember, real roll bars on race cars are for guys who are wearing helmets. If you get rear-ended on the road, your grape is going to smack that thing. I feel much more comfortable having at least SOME padding on it. Cheers, Tom www.triumphowners.com/735 All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. George Orwell From nelsonjd at quidnunc.net Fri Aug 28 11:57:22 2009 From: nelsonjd at quidnunc.net (Jim Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:57:22 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers Message-ID: I am trying to promote my love of Triumphs to my son. He is 11 yrs old and having gone on several ralleys and car shows this year, he is excited. The problem is he is already 5' 10" tall. My guess is that he will wind up to be somewhere in the 6' 8" to 6' 10" range (just like his uncles). I am 6 ft and almost max out my TR6. I have a roll bar that I can remove but it will only give a couple more inches of leg room. So I know the TR6 is not a possibility. Is there any other Triumphs that have the capability for taller drivers? I'm hoping that perhaps a Stag or ?? would have more room, that I could get one and we could have a father and son project in restoring it for him to drive. Jim Nelson 1970 TR6 From stuartt at tlthompson.com Fri Aug 28 12:10:18 2009 From: stuartt at tlthompson.com (Stuart Thompson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:10:18 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers References: Message-ID: Just drive it with the top down. :) From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Fri Aug 28 12:13:58 2009 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:13:58 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401ca280b$50d3a780$f27af680$@edu> I'm thinking some cutting and welding will fix it. But the kid will probably want anesthesia first... Kevin Kevin McNelis K5KMC 575-571-7326 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stuart Thompson Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:10 PM To: Jim Nelson; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers Just drive it with the top down. :) 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From rclark at robertsonclark.com Fri Aug 28 12:21:40 2009 From: rclark at robertsonclark.com (Robert N. Clark) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:21:40 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, I'm 6'2 and it's not the head room that's the problem, it's the leg room. If he makes it to 6'8" or 10", unless he is built like Michael Phelps, I suspect his right knee will be wedged between the steering wheel and the center consol. Remove the roll bar, and see if you can rework the seat rails to get an inch or so more leg room. Maybe Miata seats are thinner in back and will allow even more movement. Otherwise, the 7s and 8s have decent leg room and head room. Bob Clark '69 TR6 From jsvannorman at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 12:24:35 2009 From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:24:35 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers Message-ID: Jim, Although he in fact may end up being too tall, don't necessarily rule out a TR6. I'm 6'5" tall. There are some things we big guys can do to squeeze into one. You can read my article in April 2008 Buckeye Triumphs newsletter here: http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/newsletter/PDF_Files/Apr2008.pdf Also, look at a TR7 or 8. The first time I sat in one, I was amazed at the amount of room I had. John V. > I am trying to promote my love of Triumphs to my son. He is 11 yrs old and > having gone on several ralleys and car shows this year, he is excited. The > problem is he is already 5' 10" tall. My guess is that he will wind up to > be somewhere in the 6' 8" to 6' 10" range (just like his uncles). > > I am 6 ft and almost max out my TR6. I have a roll bar that I can remove > but it will only give a couple more inches of leg room. So I know the TR6 > is not a possibility. Is there any other Triumphs that have the capability > for taller drivers? > > I'm hoping that perhaps a Stag or ?? would have more room, that I could get > one and we could have a father and son project in restoring it for him to > drive. > > Jim Nelson > 1970 TR6 From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 12:36:24 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, John VanNorman wrote: [stuff deleted] > Also, look at a TR7 or 8. The first time I sat in one, I was amazed > at the amount of room I had. Ditto that - I can barely see over the dashboard on wedges I've sat in. Of course I'm 5'7". > John V. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From trglory at verizon.net Fri Aug 28 14:55:09 2009 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joe Laurito) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:55:09 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a201ca2821$d481d230$7d857690$@net> Jim; A wedge is made for big people & has ample room for the tallest. A TR7 would be a wonderful candidate for a father/son project. A rather good one can be had for a song and they are very easy to refurbish. My son & I did a 1981 TR7 when he was in high school and it became his daily driver all through college. He was a BMOC because everyone thought that the car was "exotic". Joe -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Nelson Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:57 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers I am trying to promote my love of Triumphs to my son. He is 11 yrs old and having gone on several ralleys and car shows this year, he is excited. The problem is he is already 5' 10" tall. My guess is that he will wind up to be somewhere in the 6' 8" to 6' 10" range (just like his uncles). I am 6 ft and almost max out my TR6. I have a roll bar that I can remove but it will only give a couple more inches of leg room. So I know the TR6 is not a possibility. Is there any other Triumphs that have the capability for taller drivers? I'm hoping that perhaps a Stag or ?? would have more room, that I could get one and we could have a father and son project in restoring it for him to drive. Jim Nelson 1970 TR6 From coffeycreek at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 15:00:27 2009 From: coffeycreek at yahoo.com (mark creek) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] end Message-ID: <450396.99138.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> end From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sat Aug 29 08:24:40 2009 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:24:40 -0400 Subject: [6pack] paint Message-ID: <200908291024.41124.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Hi, I put this query on the 6 pack forum but no replies. So now I turn to the mail list. Has anyone on 6-Pack used www.tcpglobal.com for their paint? I am looking for Acrylic Urethane which I believe is a single stage. I have used PPG DCC before but it is about twice as expensive as what Global sells. The paint is called "restoration shop paint". If you have used global, how good were they in matching the color when you gave them the year, color name and reference # as show on this page: http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.aspx?image=1973-triumph-pg03.jpg I did try and search the forum for tcp global but only received 1 hit and all it really didn't show much detail etc. Thanks, Bob From william.mcintire at wright.edu Sat Aug 29 08:32:30 2009 From: william.mcintire at wright.edu (William McIntire) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:32:30 -0400 Subject: [6pack] paint In-Reply-To: <200908291024.41124.yellowtr@adelphia.net> References: <200908291024.41124.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <6620e9e9303be.4a9903be@wright.edu> Bob, Painted mine with PPG acrylic enamel with hardener in like 1982 and in my barn. Still looks great. Don't know anything about tcp or cost comparisons but the PPG stuff may be worth consideration. Bill '70 6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:25 am Subject: [6pack] paint To: 6pack at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net > Hi, > > I put this query on the 6 pack forum but no replies. > > So now I turn to the mail list. > > Has anyone on 6-Pack used www.tcpglobal.com for their paint? > > I am looking for Acrylic Urethane which I believe is a single stage. > > I have used PPG DCC before but it is about twice as expensive as > what Global > sells. > > The paint is called "restoration shop paint". > > If you have used global, how good were they in matching the > color when you > gave them the year, color name and reference # as show on this page: > > http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.aspx?image=1973-triumph-pg03.jpg > > I did try and search the forum for tcp global but only received > 1 hit and all > it really didn't show much detail etc. > > Thanks, > > Bob > _______________________________________________ From k_nachman at comcast.net Sat Aug 29 13:10:48 2009 From: k_nachman at comcast.net (Ken) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:10:48 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Hazard & Brake Markings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002501ca28dc$6b0730f0$411592d0$@net> Does anyone have a source for the HAZARD & BRAKE markings on the dashs of TR250s & early TR6s? I can't find them available for sale anywhere and the sign shop where I get my real estate signs says they can't make them up because it is too small a font for their equipment. Ken Nachman Richmond Triumph Register 1969 TR6 From jmitch at snet.net Sun Aug 30 12:26:45 2009 From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:26:45 -0400 Subject: [6pack] [Fwd: Intersting article] Message-ID: <4A9AC465.9020806@snet.net> X-Account-Key: account2 X-Apparently-To: jmitch at snet.net via 68.142.199.158; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:44:38 -0700 X-YMailISG: FnVX2lcWLDtl7LbuCO7lHAP.RMePvjzqRFsmvG3.oETi1d.H4KNrD1G_2r.3ZCAWFtu4sWWeKYaamByqlG09fo.xMUHiXkjykUWAoXWjhn0FBJpEmS5ha6FLsA1cf9O.hV44GOBjK2obCZk5rBdtFRtkoZ4OFseKFg4WQHN1PeUsGcXkuPzIBk5aER06ipPwXQAIM83l8lPKD0csl9A8_JgvUUzadDVnMJzJGcR00YKXaQvdnFfAop8j5YCPKFhn2.GaKdG6bBbiylDgXsN43fqJC9coDHYKMTziVLiUmd99.awr46drqpccpLgwRDrZ_Nccr5nDZVSn8OD5r2QIVbT6yALz0EGA2CVA7t0iMywFpcEiKas9oabsAjMz6cWctzNLr1hKsBd4UvZWlohO_5bgIpISINuOD_F3JwwCeFWrPamZhKWeYBmNpS6uJ7rFN.VawBCUuNMWqG_1NYN4wUTpG5_O3497y_oSlN65wnY- X-Originating-IP: [209.85.218.210] Authentication-Results: mta143.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=gmail.com; domainkeys=pass (ok); from=gmail.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 207.115.36.135 (EHLO nlpi121.prodigy.net) (207.115.36.135) by mta143.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:44:38 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.218.210] Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com (mail-bw0-f210.google.com [209.85.218.210]) by nlpi121.prodigy.net (8.13.8 inb ipv6 jeff0203/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7UGibOY007455 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:44:37 -0500 Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so1370845bwz.12 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Wg8xUPN7RVMN/daWTrvci0DsqR0gaHbonXvMOStKE8A=; b=MiJOyswpRQtCi7XJgpiN6G1xvc5kHnsiWBEPpaBvKgviHkUiitQoLAn3aESewjZYop kD/NolqGpIwSPlapPuSls7ksCaVFp5Twx8pmnit2uwHZRN6aq/ML5zhjMJiw3iCtjtkT hpwYNWD0ZDESgeb/PGclV38tLqMuG1qlcBvmg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=xjOFV5A8IS5pdDbvCYWGxx8jLRsc/yPrHu+6bbi1b7be7GfPL1hGrgb2rNOnj31aCW ODgGjGUKcz8V4r1o+7FmHZZRuX9mH+iZTYIqacprtc6xRyFqyVEoxiZvJICpLMF9N6wy XxC/RXnkqhDyqzjXBxUvEicJVR4h/W8R9IY1I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.101 with SMTP id c37mr337674hbg.4.1251650674680; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:44:34 -0400 Message-ID: <7ff83f490908300944p5ebe372fye02ccbca339aa1c5 at mail.gmail.com> Subject: Intersting article From: Mike Lucas To: John Mitchell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain http://www.carlectro.com/node/33 From Joe.Simcoe at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 15:50:07 2009 From: Joe.Simcoe at gmail.com (Joe.Simcoe at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:50:07 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Selling Magazines and Manuals Message-ID: <0016367657c98beeae047262e628@google.com> Sorry to keep posting the same message . . but I am AGAIN selling a batch of old British (mostly Triumph - TR6 and TR250) magazines and manuals. Some of this stuff is British publications I collected - Triumph over Triumph (published by Ken Richardson's son Paul). There are 6 of these, they have many articles regarding OLD 30's 40's 50's Triumph stuff, including the development of the Works racing teams etc. Some other British stuff and some US publications. Most items were published in the 1990's. Also there are a couple of Triumph books, I am sure all are still in print, but you can pick these up at a reasonable cost and everything is in VERY GOOD condition. (Except the Haynes manual which is in fair condition, but very usable) Anyway - check EBAY under advanced search look for items being sold by GBSimcoe. I hate to sell off this collection, but I am preparing to move and need to scale back. Thanks, Joe Simcoe From im_sloane at hotmail.com Sun Aug 30 20:46:26 2009 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:46:26 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Triumph for tall drivers In-Reply-To: <00a201ca2821$d481d230$7d857690$@net> References: <00a201ca2821$d481d230$7d857690$@net> Message-ID: Another thing that can give a little more knee room is a smaller wheel. Sloane :) 69-Six > I am trying to promote my love of Triumphs to my son. He is 11 yrs old and > having gone on several ralleys and car shows this year, he is excited. The > problem is he is already 5' 10" tall. My guess is that he will wind up to > be somewhere in the 6' 8" to 6' 10" range (just like his uncles). > > I am 6 ft and almost max out my TR6. I have a roll bar that I can remove > but it will only give a couple more inches of leg room. So I know the TR6 > is not a possibility. Is there any other Triumphs that have the capability > for taller drivers? > > I'm hoping that perhaps a Stag or ?? would have more room, that I could get > one and we could have a father and son project in restoring it for him to > drive. > > Jim Nelson > 1970 TR6 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From trglory at verizon.net Mon Aug 31 09:10:07 2009 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joe Laurito) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:10:07 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy Message-ID: <002601ca2a4d$20969bb0$61c3d310$@net> I'm getting ready to install a Pertronix unit in the distributor of my '75 TR6. The current circuit has a red and a white wire from the harness going to the plus side of the coil and a black wire coming off the plus side of the coil going to a blue can (capacitor?) that is grounded to the coil mounting bolt. That last item is not shown on the wiring diagram applicable to that year. When I mount the Pertronix, should I keep or remove the blue component? Joe From jzagami at si.rr.com Mon Aug 31 09:47:23 2009 From: jzagami at si.rr.com (joseph zagami) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:47:23 -0400 Subject: [6pack] dash decals Message-ID: <33EF9B3F60A04B11935DC4ACE7307EE6@Bigboy> Ken, I had mine duplicated by a local sign shop(staten island n.y.). I gave them the original dash. I assume they took a picture and fed that into the software to generate the decal. The decal was somewhat tedious to install given it's delicate structure. I had to go through a few before success, so if you find a sign shop have them make a bunch for you. Mine has been on the car for over two years and still looks new. If all else fails, I may have an extra that I can send you. Regards, JZ From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Aug 31 10:47:25 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:47:25 -0700 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy In-Reply-To: <002601ca2a4d$20969bb0$61c3d310$@net> References: <002601ca2a4d$20969bb0$61c3d310$@net> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795712DFA3E88E@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Joe: The capacitor is there to suppress kick back from the coil when the current is interrupted. Since the Pertronix replaces the points only, I would assume that the cap is still needed to protect the Pertronix from the kick back voltage. Assuming that the Pertronix directions say nothing specific, leaving the capacitor installed will make sure that the Pertronix does not die prematurely. I would hope that the Pertronix would have a clamping diode internally to eliminate the need for the capacitor, but I would not take it for granted that this is the case. So in the absence of information to the contrary, the safe thing to do is leave the capacitor in place. You should know that I do not run a Pertronix, so I am far from being an expert. This is just my $0.00002 worth. Cheers, Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Laurito Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:10 AM To: 6Pack List Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy I'm getting ready to install a Pertronix unit in the distributor of my '75 TR6. The current circuit has a red and a white wire from the harness going to the plus side of the coil and a black wire coming off the plus side of the coil going to a blue can (capacitor?) that is grounded to the coil mounting bolt. That last item is not shown on the wiring diagram applicable to that year. When I mount the Pertronix, should I keep or remove the blue component? Joe From TR250Driver at aol.com Mon Aug 31 11:54:22 2009 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:54:22 EDT Subject: [6pack] dash decals Message-ID: I will take a half dozen or so if you have them made up for the TR250 dash. Darrell In a message dated 8/31/2009 11:47:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jzagami at si.rr.com writes: I had to go through a few before success, so if you find a sign shop have them make a bunch for you From lfm614 at aol.com Mon Aug 31 11:55:40 2009 From: lfm614 at aol.com ( ) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:55:40 +0000 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy Message-ID: <1454514861-1251741562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-917785672-@bda601.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> If I understand what you are describing and it is outside the dizzy, its a noise supression cap for the radio and yes it should fine to leave as is. Lou ------Original Message------ From: Joe Laurito Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net To: TR-6 list Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy Sent: Aug 31, 2009 10:10 AM I'm getting ready to install a Pertronix unit in the distributor of my '75 TR6. The current circuit has a red and a white wire from the harness going to the plus side of the coil and a black wire coming off the plus side of the coil going to a blue can (capacitor?) that is grounded to the coil mounting bolt. That last item is not shown on the wiring diagram applicable to that year. When I mount the Pertronix, should I keep or remove the blue component? Joe _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as lfm614 at aol.com From grego at sandesco.com Mon Aug 31 12:59:24 2009 From: grego at sandesco.com (grego at sandesco.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:59:24 -0700 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy In-Reply-To: <1454514861-1251741562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-917785672-@bda601.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1454514861-1251741562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-917785672-@bda601.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20090831115924.rupyjgpq84ww848k@webmail.dsl-only.net> Quoting lfm614 at aol.com: > If I understand what you are describing and it is outside the dizzy, > its a noise supression cap for the radio and yes it should fine to > leave as is. That is a secondary benefit of the capacitor. As Vance pointed out, the primary reason for their existence is to keep the points from burning and to protect the coil. When the points open, they interrupt the current to the primary winding of the coil. This causes the electrical field, that has built up when the points were closed, to collapse in both the primary and secondary windings of the coil. The energy now has to go somewhere. The secondary coil pulse goes to the spark plug and causes an arc across it's electrodes. The primary coil pulse goes back to the points and causes an arc across the now open points. The capacitor (also called a condenser) suppresses this voltage spike, at least enough of it to keep it from arcing. It also limits the induced voltage in the coil after the field collapses, saving stress on the coil insulation, which in turn helps prolong the life of the coil. Electronic ignition systems take care of this internally and usually don't want to see the extra capacitance at the output. So they don't use the condenser. I would contact them and speak to an application engineer. I am surprised they don't say anything about it in their instructions. It would probably not be an issue to leave it in the circuit. But the system may work better with out it. -grego > ------Original Message------ > From: Joe Laurito > Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net > To: TR-6 list > Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy > Sent: Aug 31, 2009 10:10 AM > > I'm getting ready to install a Pertronix unit in the distributor of my '75 > TR6. The current circuit has a red and a white wire from the harness going > to the plus side of the coil and a black wire coming off the plus side of > the coil going to a blue can (capacitor?) that is grounded to the coil > mounting bolt. That last item is not shown on the wiring diagram applicable > to that year. When I mount the Pertronix, should I keep or remove the blue > component? > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as lfm614 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as grego at sandesco.com From apackard68 at att.net Mon Aug 31 13:35:44 2009 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Left hand turn stutter Message-ID: <19322.65542.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello listers: I completed the rebuild of my stock carb set up on Saturday night, had a successful test drive that night, and then autocrossed on Sunday. I gave the car a "B" for overall performance since it drove 90 miles each way to get to the event and it was 100 degrees or so the entire afternoon in California's central valley. I have not yet rec'd my Stromberg heat shield yet, so I ran without one. I shared my car with a fellow club member and we each took 5 runs each that lasted about 70 seconds each. The car did well the first two runs, but then began to hesitate around hard left-hand corners for a couple runs and then was hesitating in only mild corners. I have an electric fuel pump putting out 6 psi that goes through a regulator that reduces the flow to about 3 or 4 psi's. My float height is about 16.75mm. When I first attached the stock carbs off my storage shelf before renewing the gaskets, the car ran okay with them but gushed out fuel when the car was off with the fuel pump operating. During the rebuild, I found the float height to be set too high at < 15mm. When it all went back together, the new float heights prevented excess fuel flow. My inital thought is to remove the regulator and allow for the full 6 psi's to reach the carbs, keeping the fuel bowls full during fast runs. I also thought about raising the float height a little to 16.25mm to help maintain higher fuel levels. My other suspicion is that due to the heat from the weather, auto crossing and my headers without a heat shield, perhaps I was boiling the gas in the float bowls. Could my timing also be contributing to a very hot engine bay? I don't have the specs on the timing off hand. Any opinions and thoughts are welcome. Andy Packard CD6746L From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Aug 31 15:04:13 2009 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:04:13 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Left hand turn stutter In-Reply-To: <19322.65542.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <19322.65542.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C22795712DFA3EB31@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Andy: Hesitation normally means that the mixture is going lean during acceleration, which often means dashpots. I suppose you could be getting low fuel in your float bowls - but I think of dashpots when I think of hesitation. Did you check your dashpot oil level? Sounds like the oil level may have dropped during your runs, perhaps due to trailing throttle vacuum pulling the oil past the o-rings in the dashpot. Did you put fresh diaphragms and dashpot o-rings in during your rebuild? Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Packard Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:36 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Left hand turn stutter Hello listers: I completed the rebuild of my stock carb set up on Saturday night, had a successful test drive that night, and then autocrossed on Sunday. I shared my car with a fellow club member and we each took 5 runs each that lasted about 70 seconds each. The car did well the first two runs, but then began to hesitate around hard left-hand corners for a couple runs and then was hesitating in only mild corners. Any opinions and thoughts are welcome. Andy Packard CD6746L From Lfm614 at aol.com Mon Aug 31 16:38:44 2009 From: Lfm614 at aol.com (Lfm614 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:38:44 EDT Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy Message-ID: Makes sense, so why do only later models have it? Lou In a message dated 8/31/2009 2:03:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, grego at sandesco.com writes: Quoting lfm614 at aol.com: > If I understand what you are describing and it is outside the dizzy, > its a noise supression cap for the radio and yes it should fine to > leave as is. That is a secondary benefit of the capacitor. As Vance pointed out, the primary reason for their existence is to keep the points from burning and to protect the coil. When the points open, they interrupt the current to the primary winding of the coil. This causes the electrical field, that has built up when the points were closed, to collapse in both the primary and secondary windings of the coil. The energy now has to go somewhere. The secondary coil pulse goes to the spark plug and causes an arc across it's electrodes. The primary coil pulse goes back to the points and causes an arc across the now open points. The capacitor (also called a condenser) suppresses this voltage spike, at least enough of it to keep it from arcing. It also limits the induced voltage in the coil after the field collapses, saving stress on the coil insulation, which in turn helps prolong the life of the coil. Electronic ignition systems take care of this internally and usually don't want to see the extra capacitance at the output. So they don't use the condenser. I would contact them and speak to an application engineer. I am surprised they don't say anything about it in their instructions. It would probably not be an issue to leave it in the circuit. But the system may work better with out it. -grego > ------Original Message------ > From: Joe Laurito > Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net > To: TR-6 list > Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy > Sent: Aug 31, 2009 10:10 AM > > I'm getting ready to install a Pertronix unit in the distributor of my '75 > TR6. The current circuit has a red and a white wire from the harness going > to the plus side of the coil and a black wire coming off the plus side of > the coil going to a blue can (capacitor?) that is grounded to the coil > mounting bolt. That last item is not shown on the wiring diagram applicable > to that year. When I mount the Pertronix, should I keep or remove the blue > component? > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as lfm614 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as grego at sandesco.com 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as lfm614 at aol.com From Lfm614 at aol.com Mon Aug 31 16:42:27 2009 From: Lfm614 at aol.com (Lfm614 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:42:27 EDT Subject: [6pack] [Fwd: Intersting article] Message-ID: Cute, Lucas building an electric car and ironically enough calling it the "Prince". Now you can't make that up, Lou In a message dated 8/30/2009 1:27:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jmitch at snet.net writes: http://www.carlectro.com/node/33 From fishplate at charter.net Mon Aug 31 16:49:54 2009 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:49:54 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 06:38 PM 8/31/2009, Lfm614 at aol.com wrote: >Makes sense, so why do only later models have it? The blue capacitor was for radio suppression. The condenser in the distributor is the one that prevents the points from arcing. > >That is a secondary benefit of the capacitor. As Vance pointed out, >the primary reason for their existence is to keep the points from burning >and to protect the coil. Jeff Scarbrough 75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5 http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/ Corrosion Acres, Georgia #354 From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Aug 31 16:59:32 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:59:32 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Left hand turn stutter In-Reply-To: <19322.65542.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <19322.65542.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Andy. Remember the stutter well. My take on it is under HARD left hand cornering the gas flows to the outside of the bowl allowing the floats to drop and pump too much gas into the chamber, it will stutter until it blows all the gas out and then take off again. Because of how the floats are hinged is why you don't see it on right handers. If you run without air filters don't be surprised to find gas puddled up in the frame channel under the carbs after a run. After many attempts at solving this problem I finally switched to S-U's. Problem solved. Good luck. Marty _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From apackard68 at att.net Mon Aug 31 17:28:13 2009 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [6pack] Left hand turn stutter In-Reply-To: References: <19322.65542.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <667111.39117.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Marty: Interesting that you see this as too much fuel rather than not enough. I would think the holes in the brass plug into which the fuel is drawn and then pulled up the tubes to the throttle chamber could not get "over supplied" with fuel. I was interpreting the behavior as the damper being up, maximizing the vacuum pull but there wasn't fuel at the brass plug holes to be drawn due to the sloshing of low levels of fuel in the bowl. I'm probably exposing my ignorance of how the carbs function, but that was my thought process. Andy ________________________________ From: marty sukey To: apackard68 at att.net; 6 Digest <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:59:32 PM Subject: RE: [6pack] Left hand turn stutter Hi Andy. Remember the stutter well. My take on it is under HARD left hand cornering the gas flows to the outside of the bowl allowing the floats to drop and pump too much gas into the chamber, it will stutter until it blows all the gas out and then take off again. Because of how the floats are hinged is why you don't see it on right handers. If you run without air filters don't be surprised to find gas puddled up in the frame channel under the carbs after a run. After many attempts at solving this problem I finally switched to S-U's. Problem solved. Good luck. Marty ________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. From grego at sandesco.com Mon Aug 31 17:40:34 2009 From: grego at sandesco.com (grego at sandesco.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:40:34 -0700 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090831164034.afkztdu0n44k4cww@webmail.dsl-only.net> Ah! Thanks Jeff, Didn't realize there were two on the TRs. It has been so long since I had a stock system I forgot what it had. Actually mine may never have had the suppressor cap. -grego Quoting Jeff Scarbrough : > At 06:38 PM 8/31/2009, Lfm614 at aol.com wrote: >> Makes sense, so why do only later models have it? > > The blue capacitor was for radio suppression. The condenser in the > distributor is the one that prevents the points from arcing. > >> >> That is a secondary benefit of the capacitor. As Vance pointed out, >> the primary reason for their existence is to keep the points from burning >> and to protect the coil. > > > Jeff Scarbrough 75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5 > http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/ > Corrosion Acres, Georgia #354 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as grego at sandesco.com From lfm614 at aol.com Mon Aug 31 17:47:55 2009 From: lfm614 at aol.com ( ) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:47:55 +0000 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy Message-ID: <1158975580-1251762537-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-621966917-@bda601.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That's what I thought about the one outside the dizzy....the one inside the dizzy is the one that protects the points. Lou ------Original Message------ From: Jeff Scarbrough Sender: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net To: TR-6 list Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy Sent: Aug 31, 2009 5:49 PM At 06:38 PM 8/31/2009, Lfm614 at aol.com wrote: >Makes sense, so why do only later models have it? The blue capacitor was for radio suppression. The condenser in the distributor is the one that prevents the points from arcing. > >That is a secondary benefit of the capacitor. As Vance pointed out, >the primary reason for their existence is to keep the points from burning >and to protect the coil. Jeff Scarbrough 75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5 http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/ Corrosion Acres, Georgia #354 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as lfm614 at aol.com From tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net Mon Aug 31 18:03:01 2009 From: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net (Tomislav Marincic) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:03:01 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Left hand turn stutter Message-ID: <380-22009921031781@earthlink.net> Andy, All TR250's miss on left hand turns when the fuel gets somewhere below half a tank. Fill it up and it'll go away. The TR250 fuel tank (and perhaps 1969 TR6 twin-carb) did not contain the internal baffles of the later models. When cornering to the left with less than half a tank, the fuel sloshes to the right and the engine misses. Why? We've beaten that to death in earlier threads with no resolution. (And we may yet again) In theory, there's enough fuel in the float bowls that the momentary surge shouldn't matter. Yet it happens. Cheers, Tom (Former CD3574L owner) Message: 2 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Packard Subject: [6pack] Left hand turn stutter To: 6pack at autox.team.net Message-ID: <19322.65542.qm at web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello listers: I completed the rebuild of my stock carb set up on Saturday night, had a successful test drive that night, and then autocrossed on Sunday. I gave the car a "B" for overall performance since it drove 90 miles each way to get to the event and it was 100 degrees or so the entire afternoon in California's central valley. I have not yet rec'd my Stromberg heat shield yet, so I ran without one. I shared my car with a fellow club member and we each took 5 runs each that lasted about 70 seconds each. The car did well the first two runs, but then began to hesitate around hard left-hand corners for a couple runs and then was hesitating in only mild corners. I have an electric fuel pump putting out 6 psi that goes through a regulator that reduces the flow to about 3 or 4 psi's. My float height is about 16.75mm. When I first attached the stock carbs off my storage shelf before renewing the gaskets, the car ran okay with them but gushed out fuel when the car was off with the fuel pump operating. During the rebuild, I found the float height to be set too high at < 15mm. When it all went back together, the new float heights prevented excess fuel flow. My inital thought is to remove the regulator and allow for the full 6 psi's to reach the carbs, keeping the fuel bowls full during fast runs. I also thought about raising the float height a little to 16.25mm to help maintain higher fuel levels. My other suspicion is that due to the heat from the weather, auto crossing and my headers without a heat shield, perhaps I was boiling the gas in the float bowls. Could my timing also be contributing to a very hot engine bay? I don't have the specs on the timing off hand. Any opinions and thoughts are welcome. Andy Packard CD6746 From trglory at verizon.net Mon Aug 31 18:43:57 2009 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joe Laurito) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:43:57 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 Message-ID: <012a01ca2a9d$4a885080$df98f180$@net> As a follow-up, I made sure the car was running tip-top before I started the change-over. Car ran smooth as butter. Looked at the timing with a strobe and found it to be set at about 9 ticks BTDC (I assume that equates to 18 degrees?) at idle which was about 750RPM and solid as a rock. Pulled the points and condenser and installed the Pertronix. I had to cut the wires back because they were way too long and the connectors were much too small for the mates on the coil. In addition, both red & black wires had female connectors and the coil wants a male on the negative side. I started the car up and it sounds like a blown exhaust gasket. It bangs, burps, backfires through the carbs and acts extremely rude on the whole. I did not move the distributor, but timing is now 2 ticks (4 degrees?) ATDC. I tried to retard the timing, but when cranked all the way clockwise, the best I can do is about 3 ticks BTDC so I returned it to where it was at two ticks ATDC. Idle is 500 RPM and very rough. I increased the idle speed to 800RPM and installed a new rotor, cap, ignition wires and nothing got any better (or worse). I changed to a Pertronix Flamethrower coil (which is larger than the Lucas and does not fit in the coil bracket) and nothing got any better. Not sure what to do next....put the points back? Joe -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Laurito Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:10 AM To: 6Pack List Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy I'm getting ready to install a Pertronix unit in the distributor of my '75 TR6. The current circuit has a red and a white wire from the harness going to the plus side of the coil and a black wire coming off the plus side of the coil going to a blue can (capacitor?) that is grounded to the coil mounting bolt. That last item is not shown on the wiring diagram applicable to that year. When I mount the Pertronix, should I keep or remove the blue component? Joe _______________________________________________ From fishplate at charter.net Mon Aug 31 18:55:53 2009 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:55:53 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <012a01ca2a9d$4a885080$df98f180$@net> References: <012a01ca2a9d$4a885080$df98f180$@net> Message-ID: At 08:43 PM 8/31/2009, Joe Laurito wrote: >Pulled the points and condenser and installed the Pertronix. The timing would have changed even if you didn't disturb the distributor, as the pickup is in a slightly different place than the cam lobe/point block. Did you have the vacuum advance hose connected? If I'm thinking of the right years and your car, it should be disconnected and plugged to set the timing. You will need to get it at the same place as before...you might also re-check the installation of the Pertronix, as well as all your wiring connections. Maybe you pinched a wire somewhere? Jeff Scarbrough 75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5 http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/ Corrosion Acres, Georgia #354 From rmcbride at mi.rr.com Mon Aug 31 19:24:00 2009 From: rmcbride at mi.rr.com (Robert McBride) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 References: <012a01ca2a9d$4a885080$df98f180$@net> Message-ID: I would move all the plug wires one hole on the cap and try again to set the timing.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Laurito" To: "6Pack List" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 > As a follow-up, I made sure the car was running tip-top before I started > the > change-over. Car ran smooth as butter. Looked at the timing with a strobe > and found it to be set at about 9 ticks BTDC (I assume that equates to 18 > degrees?) at idle which was about 750RPM and solid as a rock. > > Pulled the points and condenser and installed the Pertronix. I had to cut > the wires back because they were way too long and the connectors were much > too small for the mates on the coil. In addition, both red & black wires > had > female connectors and the coil wants a male on the negative side. I > started > the car up and it sounds like a blown exhaust gasket. It bangs, burps, > backfires through the carbs and acts extremely rude on the whole. I did > not > move the distributor, but timing is now 2 ticks (4 degrees?) ATDC. I tried > to retard the timing, but when cranked all the way clockwise, the best I > can > do is about 3 ticks BTDC so I returned it to where it was at two ticks > ATDC. > Idle is 500 RPM and very rough. > > I increased the idle speed to 800RPM and installed a new rotor, cap, > ignition wires and nothing got any better (or worse). I changed to a > Pertronix Flamethrower coil (which is larger than the Lucas and does not > fit > in the coil bracket) and nothing got any better. > > Not sure what to do next....put the points back? > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Joe Laurito > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:10 AM > To: 6Pack List > Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy > > I'm getting ready to install a Pertronix unit in the distributor of my '75 > TR6. The current circuit has a red and a white wire from the harness going > to the plus side of the coil and a black wire coming off the plus side of > the coil going to a blue can (capacitor?) that is grounded to the coil > mounting bolt. That last item is not shown on the wiring diagram > applicable > to that year. When I mount the Pertronix, should I keep or remove the blue > component? > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rmcbride at mi.rr.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.73/2338 - Release Date: 08/31/09 17:52:00 From trglory at verizon.net Mon Aug 31 20:18:08 2009 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joe Laurito) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:18:08 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <012a01ca2a9d$4a885080$df98f180$@net> Message-ID: <014d01ca2aaa$72bc2420$58346c60$@net> Robert; That sounds like it has possibilities, I'll try it tomorrow. Move the wires clockwise and turn the distributor counter-clockwise? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Robert McBride [mailto:rmcbride at mi.rr.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:24 PM To: Joe Laurito; 6Pack List Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 I would move all the plug wires one hole on the cap and try again to set the timing.. From shewfamily at aol.com Mon Aug 31 21:44:07 2009 From: shewfamily at aol.com (shewfamily at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:44:07 -0400 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <014d01ca2aaa$72bc2420$58346c60$@net> References: <012a01ca2a9d$4a885080$df98f180$@net> <014d01ca2aaa$72bc2420$58346c60$@net> Message-ID: <8CBF8CD97F010BF-B688-3A59D@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> Just checking to make sure you set the air gap between the pickup and the ring that goes over the lobes.? You indicated that you installed it but you didn't mention setting that gap with the gap tool provided.? Just checking. John Shewmake '74 TR6 with Pertronics Birmingham, AL -----Original Message----- From: Joe Laurito To: 'Robert McBride' ; '6Pack List' <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 Robert; That sounds like it has possibilities, I'll try it tomorrow. Move the wires clockwise and turn the distributor counter-clockwise? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Robert McBride [mailto:rmcbride at mi.rr.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:24 PM To: Joe Laurito; 6Pack List Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Dizzy - Part 2 I would move all the plug wires one hole on the cap and try again to set the timing.. 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as shewfamily at aol.com