From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Dec 1 08:18:27 2008 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:18:27 -0800 Subject: [6pack] [TR] Pulstar Pulse plugs In-Reply-To: References: <4931B199.1010902@snet.net> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573B8559DE@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Ron: Can't say that I have tried them, but Vizard in his book "Tuning the a-series engine" really endorses this type of technology. This is the same idea used in the Nology Wires, which add a capacitor to the spark circuit to store and then release the spark energy. He saw an honest 2% increase in power. Not enough to feel in the seat of your pants, but measurable on the dyno. After all the BS claims out there about magnetic fuel energizers, split electrode spark plugs, and air intake vortex generators, here is an idea that really seems to work. The Pulstar plugs are the same idea, but move the circuit into the plug. Nology has a patent on the spark plug wire idea, so this bypasses their patent. My only gripe is that the Nology wires are a one time buy, whereas with Pulstars every time you change your plugs there goes $100. Nology does not offer a set of wires for the TR6 that I have been able to tell, although it looks easy to build your own set. Vance Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronald Olds Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:36 AM To: 'John Mitchell'; '6-Pack'; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] Pulstar Pulse plugs Sounds almost too good to be true. Has anyone else tried these? what was he results? Ron Olds -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Mitchell Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:18 PM To: 6-Pack; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Pulstar Pulse plugs In a post some time back, someone mentioned trying Pulstar Pulse plugs. They have a pulse circuit that build energy like a camera flash. I was skeptical at $25 each, but I'm gullible too:) I put them in the TR6 last night after pulling a perfectly good set of NGK's out that had perfect color. I was amazed to find when I turned the key after the car had been sitting almost a month, that the engine seemed to jump to life. It idled nicer and I was able to take off the choke before I was out of the driveway. Normally it needs choke for a mile or so when it's this cold(30 F). I cant say if there's more horsepower or better fuel economy, but It definitely ran nicer than before. Before the idle tended to be a bit lumpy due to the cam and roller rockers and very light flywheel. It actually felt much smoother. They might not be worth $25 a plug, but if you need a Christmas present for the car.......could be worth a try. John Mitchell 76 TR6 www.pulstar.com This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs You are subscribed as ronald.olds at mchsi.com http://www.team.net/archive 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as vance.navarrette at intel.com From dbjohnso at us.ibm.com Mon Dec 1 14:23:48 2008 From: dbjohnso at us.ibm.com (David B Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:23:48 -0500 Subject: [6pack] J.M. Wagner Sales, Ltd Message-ID: List, Has anyone been able to contact Justin Wagner or know how to contact him regarding his silicone valve cover gasket? I ordered one several weeks ago and sent payment to the address listed on his website with no response to date. His gasket gets rave reviews and I'd sure like to have one, but he sure makes it tough to get one! Dave From trsix74 at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 14:43:35 2008 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:43:35 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Frame Blasting In-Reply-To: <7F5FB0E27DE048A6A61BD01BC120C494@PamHome> References: <7F5FB0E27DE048A6A61BD01BC120C494@PamHome> Message-ID: <9AA4662BFA624B189D39E28FD018E5E7@Robert> Paid $400 to have mine media blasted and powder coated in black, back in 2003. From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Mon Dec 1 16:32:33 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:32:33 -0500 Subject: [6pack] J.M. Wagner Sales, Ltd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David.........I forwarded this to the Triumph Mail List because I know Justin often monitors it. Maybe someone there knows what's going on. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David B Johnson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:24 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] J.M. Wagner Sales, Ltd List, Has anyone been able to contact Justin Wagner or know how to contact him regarding his silicone valve cover gasket? I ordered one several weeks ago and sent payment to the address listed on his website with no response to date. His gasket gets rave reviews and I'd sure like to have one, but he sure makes it tough to get one! Dave 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From cm.sherman at verizon.net Mon Dec 1 17:01:32 2008 From: cm.sherman at verizon.net (Corey Sherman) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:01:32 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Call for Action - Please help Vote for my Triumph in NYTimes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <699E011523AC475C8C63579A502F36A3@DellXPS720> Much to my surprise and complete delight, my 1960 Triumph (Italia 2000 GT Coupe - TR3 bodied by Vignale) is one of the 30 finalists in the 2008 New York Times Collectible Car of the Year Contest! Please go to http://collectiblecars.nytimes.com/Contest/Vote.asp#COL802181 and Vote for my car - every vote counts! Voting will be open to the public until Dec 30th, 2008. One vote per person per day. The winner will be featured in a New York Times article and will be announced in February 2009. Last year's winner was a 1959 Truimph TR3A - let's show them Triumphs' rule! Thanks in advance for your time, consideration and support. Corey Sherman 917.239.5486 From mahutchinson at rightbuyhome.com Mon Dec 1 18:38:07 2008 From: mahutchinson at rightbuyhome.com (Michael) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:38:07 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Frame Blasting In-Reply-To: <9AA4662BFA624B189D39E28FD018E5E7@Robert> Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1L7KDA2ZOl-0001JW@mrelay.perfora.net> I had my frame blasted and powder coated at Young's Welding in Chanute, KS in '05 and I believe the cost was $160. The workmanship was great. NFI. Michael Hutchinson -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Liam Gannon Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:44 PM To: 'Mark'; '6pack List' Subject: Re: [6pack] Frame Blasting Paid $400 to have mine media blasted and powder coated in black, back in 2003. 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as mahutchinson at rightbuyhome.com From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Dec 1 18:47:10 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:47:10 EST Subject: [6pack] Frame Blasting Message-ID: Just priced this in KC. $750.00 estimate which included the blasting and powder coating. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From glenn.rierson at verizon.net Tue Dec 2 06:34:10 2008 From: glenn.rierson at verizon.net (Glenn Rierson) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:34:10 -0600 Subject: [6pack] More info on Pulstar Pulse Plugs Message-ID: <0C9F5AA10F0E4676B18658DAECBBAAB2@GlennPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: John Meade To: glenn.rierson at verizon.net Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: RE: Pertronix Electronic Ignition Glenn, Your TR3 uses a =" reach, gasket seat spark plug, which we unfortunately do not offer at this point in time; therefore I recommend that you look at our other great product DirectHits (www.pulstarplug.com/directhits.cfm). You will find that this is the same technology as Pulstar in a two piece application where the pulse element attaches to a non-resistor spark plug. For your application I would recommend that you use the DirectHits S100, and an NGK BP6HS. Your TR6 uses the Pulstar BE-1, which can be found using our application guide (www.pulstar.com/howtobuy.cfm) The S100 sells for $29.95 per unit, and comes with a 30 day money back guarantee, as well as a lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects, and Pulstar comes with a 30 day money back guarantee as well as a four year warranty. You can order yours online at (www.pulstarplug.com) or by calling one of our customer service representatives at 1-888-800-6700. All of our products will work quite well with your Petronix ignition systems. John Meade Production 2451 Alamo Ave. SE Albuquerque, NM 87106 USA www.pulstar.com 1.505.999.2014 From: Glenn Rierson [mailto:glenn.rierson at verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:47 AM To: Lou Camilli Subject: Pertronix Electronic Ignition I have a '59 Triumph TR3A (four cylinder) and a '70 Triumph TR6 (six cylinder). Both of them have Pertronix installed. Is your Pulstar plug compatible and is the BE-1 plug the correct choice for both cars? Would the plug gap of .025" remain the same with the Pertronix and Pulstar combination? Take care, Glenn No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1817 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Tue Dec 2 11:02:54 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:02:54 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Gas Tank Cleaning Message-ID: Last week I had my first ever tow/slider ride (http://tinyurl.com/5tjvc7) when I lost most fuel pressure while cruising down the highway. It turns out that the gas tank outlet fitting was totally blocked. Seeing as I had the tank boiled out two years ago I suspect it was my stupid use of Teflon tape on the fittings that caused the problem. So now I have the tank out of the car and wonder what's the best way to "clean" it out. I could add about 1/2 gallon of gas and agitate the tank and pour it into a container. Or I could use a product made for cleaning gas tanks but my searching has turned up mostly products for getting the rust out of the tank. So what's the best way to just stir up what's in there and pour it out? Thanks Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From stan.foster at hp.com Tue Dec 2 11:10:06 2008 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:10:06 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Gas Tank Cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF72799E65A36D@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> [snipped from Bob's original post in the 6pack forum] > So today I was cursing down the highway when the engine lost power......... Bob, I suspect this is your real problem. They get their feelings hurt you know. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Danielson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:03 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Gas Tank Cleaning Last week I had my first ever tow/slider ride (http://tinyurl.com/5tjvc7) when I lost most fuel pressure while cruising down the highway. It turns out that the gas tank outlet fitting was totally blocked. Seeing as I had the tank boiled out two years ago I suspect it was my stupid use of Teflon tape on the fittings that caused the problem. So now I have the tank out of the car and wonder what's the best way to "clean" it out. I could add about 1/2 gallon of gas and agitate the tank and pour it into a container. Or I could use a product made for cleaning gas tanks but my searching has turned up mostly products for getting the rust out of the tank. So what's the best way to just stir up what's in there and pour it out? Thanks Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From rclark at robertsonclark.com Tue Dec 2 12:01:20 2008 From: rclark at robertsonclark.com (Robert N. Clark) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:01:20 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Gas Tank Cleaning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So what's the best way to just stir up what's in there and pour it out? Bob, Many years ago, I had to pull my tank to clean out unknown contaminants maliciously put there by others. I used a lot of water, then rinsed with alcohol which absorbs the water. I believe I used isopropyl but ethanol will work also. If you want to dry the alcohol further, you can rinse again with something lighter such as acetone or lacquer thinner. Just be careful of open flame. Using this method, you can use a lot of water and pressure to rinse out the stuff. The alcohol and acetone will eliminate any residual water that remains. If you want to be certain that there isn't any water contaminating the gas when you refill, use a gas dryer additive in the first tank. Bob Clark '69 TR6 From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 2 16:45:27 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:45:27 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Frame Blasting In-Reply-To: <7F5FB0E27DE048A6A61BD01BC120C494@PamHome> References: <7F5FB0E27DE048A6A61BD01BC120C494@PamHome> Message-ID: I got a price for mine today in Northern Ohio of $140. I'd much rather have mine done in Hawaii though:) Marty > From: mbullard at hawaii.rr.com > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:54:30 -1000 > Subject: [6pack] Frame Blasting > > Aloha All, > > I've got my frame all stripped and power washed and am now ready to have it > media blasted. Can you guys/gals give me some prices on what this should > cost. I know that price varies with location but am curious what others have > paid or been quoted. > > Thanks, > > Mark Bullard > '74 TR6 > Kailua, HI > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 From mbullard at hawaii.rr.com Tue Dec 2 18:15:47 2008 From: mbullard at hawaii.rr.com (mbullard at hawaii.rr.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 1:15:47 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Frame Blasting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081203011547.Z14M8.177475.root@hrndva-web21-z01> Sure you would but I got a price for $400. What we pay for paradise. Mark ---- marty sukey wrote: > > I got a price for mine today in Northern Ohio of $140. I'd much rather have mine done in Hawaii though:) > > Marty > > > From: mbullard at hawaii.rr.com > > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:54:30 -1000 > > Subject: [6pack] Frame Blasting > > > > Aloha All, > > > > I've got my frame all stripped and power washed and am now ready to have it > > media blasted. Can you guys/gals give me some prices on what this should > > cost. I know that price varies with location but am curious what others have > > paid or been quoted. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark Bullard > > '74 TR6 > > Kailua, HI > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Wed Dec 3 11:24:44 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:24:44 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Fishing......in the Gas Tank! Message-ID: The other day I asked the list about the best way to clean the gas tank of some debris that blocked the outlet and resulted in my first slider ride. I removed the sender unit to give me another opening to look through and am happy to say that it's not Teflon tape or Hylomar. It's the remnants of a white rubbery gasket with a "T" shaped profile. I have no idea how it got there other than it may have been in the shop's tank that boiled out my tank two year's ago. You can see pictures here http://tinyurl.com/5s6wyv toward the bottom of the thread. Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu Wed Dec 3 11:36:55 2008 From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:36:55 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Fishing......in the Gas Tank! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ummmm... A condominium??? EEEWWWW! Kevin L. Kevin McNelis, PhD, CPA New Mexico State University 505-646-2485 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Danielson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:25 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Fishing......in the Gas Tank! The other day I asked the list about the best way to clean the gas tank of some debris that blocked the outlet and resulted in my first slider ride. I removed the sender unit to give me another opening to look through and am happy to say that it's not Teflon tape or Hylomar. It's the remnants of a white rubbery gasket with a "T" shaped profile. I have no idea how it got there other than it may have been in the shop's tank that boiled out my tank two year's ago. You can see pictures here http://tinyurl.com/5s6wyv toward the bottom of the thread. Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as kmcnelis at nmsu.edu From hhart2404 at charter.net Wed Dec 3 12:08:23 2008 From: hhart2404 at charter.net (Harry Hart) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:08:23 -0600 Subject: [6pack] delco Message-ID: <9C04D0DEE0BF4C88866DA98A33A5FBBC@harryo20vd8cj2> I am sorry to bring this up again, but what is the part number for the Delco alternator? Thanks Harry Hart From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Wed Dec 3 13:26:21 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:26:21 -0500 Subject: [6pack] delco In-Reply-To: <9C04D0DEE0BF4C88866DA98A33A5FBBC@harryo20vd8cj2> References: <9C04D0DEE0BF4C88866DA98A33A5FBBC@harryo20vd8cj2> Message-ID: <7A00F0B47C384C6DB11883016D8B3988@BOBSNEWPC> Harry, I don't know that there is "one" part number as it varies with the amps, "clock" position and the make i.e NAPA, AutoZone, Pep Boys all might carry a "Delco" type alternator but under their brand name. Here's the best tutorial I was able to find on the subject http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/delcoremy.shtml They also have a chart toward the bottom of the page that sums up the 10 options that you have. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Harry Hart Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:08 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] delco I am sorry to bring this up again, but what is the part number for the Delco alternator? Thanks Harry Hart 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From vcolper at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 17:37:55 2008 From: vcolper at yahoo.com (Victor Colon) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:37:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] Hard top glass Message-ID: <695547.85600.qm@web111408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey I'm about to discard a hardtop. I know it hurts but it's just too rusty along the bottom frame. How much could I ask for the glass? Victor Colon 1973 TR6 slooowww restoration Guayama, PR From DLylis at aol.com Wed Dec 3 18:08:53 2008 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:08:53 EST Subject: [6pack] Hard top glass Message-ID: send pics please. how rusty is too rusty. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Stay in touch with ALL of your friends: update your AIM, Bebo, Facebook, and MySpace pages with just one click. The NEW AOL.com. 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(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From jsvannorman at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 06:56:07 2008 From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:56:07 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Aluminum fuel tank / glove box lock Message-ID: I've been thinking about installing an aluminum fuel tank on my 6 this winter. For those of you who have one, where did you get it? I know TRF carries them, but just wanted to shop around. And on an unrelated note (other than TR6 related), my dad redid his dash but misplaced the glove box lock. Does anyone have a late style black lock with key and U-shaped support bracket they'd be willing to sell? John V. 1974 1/2 TR6 From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sat Dec 6 09:22:21 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:22:21 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Trailing Arm Thread Repair Message-ID: I'm planning on removing the 5 hub attachment studs from the Trailing Arms, drilling out the threads and inserting Keen-Serts. This will give me proper threads without worry of stripping them. Once these are in place is there any reason why I can't replace the studs with bolts? The inserts will allow for more then adequate torquing and I could also use Locktite. Just thinking out loud here. Thanks Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From tbullock at gv.net Sat Dec 6 10:06:50 2008 From: tbullock at gv.net (Todd Bullock) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:06:50 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Bolts on trailing arm Message-ID: <006701c957c5$08f6dde0$6401a8c0@Station3> When I got my TR6, It had helicoils and bolts in place of some of the studs. It worked fine. I have installed the keen-sert in another set of trailing arms, they went in easy. Be careful to not drill too deep. I used a 3 tap set to put the threads in. Todd From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sat Dec 6 10:35:25 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:35:25 -0500 Subject: [6pack] [TR] Trailing Arm Thread Repair In-Reply-To: <20081206184541.O1PI4.184299.root@cdptpa-web02-z02> References: <20081206184541.O1PI4.184299.root@cdptpa-web02-z02> Message-ID: Jerry, I have a couple of studs that I tighten more by feel then by torque. I have one that was stripped and I fixed that with a Keen-Sert. It's just one of those projects called....WIINIMAW.... Or While I'm In There I Might As Well........ A term I've stolen from Paul Rego :-) But then again, I might not do it....... Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:46 PM To: Bob Danielson; 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Trailing Arm Thread Repair Bob, why do you feel the need to do this? Are some of them torn now? I've run my TR 4A since 1969 when I bought it and the trailing arm threads are fine as are the studs. I've had them apart too many times to remember too. I don't believe they will suddenly strip if they are good now and are properly torqued. If they are stripped then by all means fix them, I'd stay with the studs myself as assembly is much easier than trying to align for bolts. Does anyone (non-competition) have the experience that these will just pull out at some point? JVV ---- Bob Danielson <75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > I'm planning on removing the 5 hub attachment studs from the Trailing > Arms, drilling out the threads and inserting Keen-Serts. This will > give me proper threads without worry of stripping them. Once these are > in place is there any reason why I can't replace the studs with bolts? > The inserts will allow for more then adequate torquing and I could also use Locktite. > > Just thinking out loud here. > > Thanks > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org http://www.team.net/archive From sullij at att.net Sat Dec 6 11:54:18 2008 From: sullij at att.net (John G. Sullivan) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:54:18 -0500 Subject: [6pack] door adjustment Message-ID: <000601c957d4$0b3c1520$21b43f60$@net> During the winter, I find that the driver's door is hard to shut, that the lock doesn't catch unless you slam the door. I have tried to clean and lubricate the lock; however, that hasn't been too successful. How do you fix this? Also, I understand that by pushing the interior door lock forward, should lock the door. Doesn't seem to be very effective on my car. Any insight is appreciated. John Sullivan From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 6 12:28:43 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:28:43 -0500 Subject: [6pack] [TR] Trailing Arm Thread Repair In-Reply-To: <20081206184541.O1PI4.184299.root@cdptpa-web02-z02> References: <20081206184541.O1PI4.184299.root@cdptpa-web02-z02> Message-ID: I think I agree with Jerry. Proper torque is the key though. If previous tightening was a little heavy handed there is not much holding power left though IMHO. Putting in heli-coils isn't that big of job. Marty > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:45:41 -0500 > From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com > To: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org; 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Trailing Arm Thread Repair > > Bob, why do you feel the need to do this? Are some of them torn now? I've run my TR 4A since 1969 when I bought it and the trailing arm threads are fine as are the studs. I've had them apart too many times to remember too. I don't believe they will suddenly strip if they are good now and are properly torqued. If they are stripped then by all means fix them, I'd stay with the studs myself as assembly is much easier than trying to align for bolts. > Does anyone (non-competition) have the experience that these will just pull out at some point? > JVV > > ---- Bob Danielson <75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > > I'm planning on removing the 5 hub attachment studs from the Trailing Arms, > > drilling out the threads and inserting Keen-Serts. This will give me proper > > threads without worry of stripping them. Once these are in place is there > > any reason why I can't replace the studs with bolts? The inserts will allow > > for more then adequate torquing and I could also use Locktite. > > > > Just thinking out loud here. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob > > > > Bob Danielson > > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection > > Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD > > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 From tr6taylor at webtv.net Sat Dec 6 14:44:32 2008 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:44:32 GMT Subject: [6pack] door adjustment Message-ID: John G.---Here's a few ideas; a) Check that the thickness of the tab for the soft top isn't causing the need to slam the door. Also that none of the weather stripping is interferring. (Use strips of paper between the door and stripping. Pull out the paper to test for excessive tightness) b) The striker plate may have moved back into the B pillar too far for the door latch to catch. Adjust the plate outward (three screws) about 1/16" and try. Mark outline of plate position with some sort of pen before loosening these screws. c) It's possible that the lock itself has seen better days. But if the lock still locks when using the key, with the door open, then this is not part of the problem. You'll know more about this when you pop loose just enough of the rear-most clips that hold the door panel in place. This should expose enough of the hardware that controls the "remote" door lock. If in doubt about what this operation should look like, you can take a look at the other, better door workings. Dick -----Original Message----- From: John G. Sullivan Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:54 AM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] door adjustment During the winter, I find that the driver's door is hard to shut, that the lock doesn't catch unless you slam the door. I have tried to clean and lubricate the lock; however, that hasn't been too successful. How do you fix this? Also, I understand that by pushing the interior door lock forward, should lock the door. Doesn't seem to be very effective on my car. Any insight is appreciated. John Sullivan 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From dbjohnso at us.ibm.com Sat Dec 6 16:34:23 2008 From: dbjohnso at us.ibm.com (David B Johnson) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:34:23 -0500 Subject: [6pack] J.M. Wagner Sales Update Message-ID: Last week I inquired if anyone had spoken with Justin Wagner recently re his silicone valve cover gaskets. I received a lot of helpful information from members including an offer to sell me one of Justin's gaskets that he had never used. One of the alternate email addresses I was given to contact Justin did the trick and he responded on Thursday. He has been busy with his "day job" and regrets that he has not been able to pay more attention to his Triumph parts. He said he intends to do a production run of silicone gaskets and hopefully lay up enough to get him through 2009. Wanted to update everyone in case anyone was concerned or considering ordering a gasket from Justin. Dave From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 6 22:03:11 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:03:11 -0600 Subject: [6pack] overdrive transmission question Message-ID: <000801c95829$1e565e90$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> OK. i am sure i am the only one who does not know this, so my apologies. i have a 72 tr6, with an overdrive tranny that was added (not original). it works in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. i've been to the quantum mechanics site, and the two pictures look very similar to me. is there any way to tell if it is a j or a type overdrive? thanks! From trsix74 at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 04:25:34 2008 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:25:34 -0500 Subject: [6pack] overdrive transmission question In-Reply-To: <000801c95829$1e565e90$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <000801c95829$1e565e90$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: > SNIP: is there any way to tell if it is a j or a type overdrive? Oliver, I am certainly not the expert, but I believe that the solenoid on an A Type is vertical and on a J Type it is horizontal. Here is a link to show you the J Type: http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/jod/JOD1/JOD1.htm From aldwyn at sylvancircle.org Sun Dec 7 06:59:28 2008 From: aldwyn at sylvancircle.org (Aldwyn) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:59:28 -0500 Subject: [6pack] overdrive transmission question In-Reply-To: <000801c95829$1e565e90$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <000801c95829$1e565e90$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20081207085837.03d03240@216.7.163.243> Oliver, If it's working in 2nd gear, then it's the older A Type overdrive, as the J Type only worked in 3rd and 4th gears. - Aldwyn At 12:03 AM 12/7/2008, Oliver wrote: >OK. i am sure i am the only one who does not know this, so my apologies. > >i have a 72 tr6, with an overdrive tranny that was added (not original). it >works in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. > >i've been to the quantum mechanics site, and the two pictures look very >similar to me. > >is there any way to tell if it is a j or a type overdrive? > >thanks! >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >6pack at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > >http://www.team.net/archive > >You are subscribed as aldwyn at sylvancircle.org From acekraut11 at aol.com Sun Dec 7 07:19:05 2008 From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:19:05 -0500 Subject: [6pack] overdrive transmission question In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20081207085837.03d03240@216.7.163.243> References: <000801c95829$1e565e90$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> <6.2.1.2.2.20081207085837.03d03240@216.7.163.243> Message-ID: <8CB268DE566205E-508-1DC9@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com> Aldwyn, While true most of the time, it is possible to add a switch to the J-type gearbox to allow the car to shift into OD in second gear, even if it is a j-type.? I know of one list member who has done exactly that, with a converted 4 speed to j-type gearbox. Aaron Aaron Cropley 71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!) http://www.triumphowners.com/108 2002 Mini Cooper S Topsham, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Aldwyn To: Oliver ; 6-Pack <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 8:59 am Subject: Re: [6pack] overdrive transmission question Oliver,? ? If it's working in 2nd gear, then it's the older A Type overdrive, as the J Type only worked in 3rd and 4th gears.? ? - Aldwyn? ? At 12:03 AM 12/7/2008, Oliver wrote:? >OK. i am sure i am the only one who does not know this, so my apologies.? >? >i have a 72 tr6, with an overdrive tranny that was added (not original). it? >works in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.? >? >i've been to the quantum mechanics site, and the two pictures look very? >similar to me.? >? >is there any way to tell if it is a j or a type overdrive?? >? >thanks!? From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 7 11:12:34 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:12:34 -0600 Subject: [6pack] overdrive tranny Message-ID: <000c01c95897$61febc00$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> hey! that was easy. thanks to the many listers who informed me I have an A type. From triumph at 2simpleusa.com Sun Dec 7 18:10:55 2008 From: triumph at 2simpleusa.com (Tony Gordon) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:10:55 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 inlet valve seals question References: <8CB26CEBE15E7BC-3B4-6F6@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My TR6 engine rebuild continues its slow progress ... the head is now ready for porting .... I now have a 1.3" template (an old inlet valve turned down to 1.3 as per Kas' instructions) ... if anyone wants a similar template (a valve turned down to 1.3"), let me know, and I'll send you one for the cost of shipping (I have 5 valves left!). I am planning on using phosphor bronze guides, and wanted to use valve seals on the inlet side. Does anyone have any specs. on suitable seals and any machining that might be needed on the new valve guides? I plan to use double valve springs and 1.6 ratio rockers. ************************************** Tony Gordon 72 TR6 ************************************** From stan.foster at hp.com Sun Dec 7 22:03:15 2008 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:03:15 +0000 Subject: [6pack] TR6 inlet valve seals question In-Reply-To: References: <8CB26CEBE15E7BC-3B4-6F6@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF727FC5985A6F@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Tony, Richard Good sells bronze guides that have been machined to accept a small teflon seal. There is not much wiggle room with the double springs so most other seals don't fit. I have yet to find an alternative to the setup that Richard sells and which I have been using for about 9 months. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Gordon Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:11 PM To: TR list; 6pack Subject: [6pack] TR6 inlet valve seals question My TR6 engine rebuild continues its slow progress ... the head is now ready for porting .... I now have a 1.3" template (an old inlet valve turned down to 1.3 as per Kas' instructions) ... if anyone wants a similar template (a valve turned down to 1.3"), let me know, and I'll send you one for the cost of shipping (I have 5 valves left!). I am planning on using phosphor bronze guides, and wanted to use valve seals on the inlet side. Does anyone have any specs. on suitable seals and any machining that might be needed on the new valve guides? I plan to use double valve springs and 1.6 ratio rockers. ************************************** Tony Gordon 72 TR6 ************************************** From jholekamp at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 8 07:52:04 2008 From: jholekamp at sbcglobal.net (Jay Holekamp) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:52:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] J-type Overdrive not engaging quickly Message-ID: <894481.77066.qm@web80406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings David, If you want to better understand what's going on in your Overdrive, it's very helpful to be able to measure the oil pressure the unit is making. Low oil pressure will cause the symptoms you are experiencing. Initially for my own use, I've made up Oil Pressure Test Gauge Sets for use with A/D, J & LH Type Laycock Overdrives. I offer these gauges sets for sale. For more detail see: http://tinyurl.com/505s brgds, Jay '64 Triumph TR4 since '67 From britishtr6 at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 10:45:55 2008 From: britishtr6 at gmail.com (Jon Messier) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:45:55 -0800 Subject: [6pack] OT: Can someone run a carfax for me? Message-ID: Hi, I am in need of a new daily (non-Triumph) vehicle and was wondering if anyone can run a carfax for me? Email me offlist if possible. Thanks, Jon From hhart2404 at charter.net Mon Dec 8 12:46:25 2008 From: hhart2404 at charter.net (Harry Hart) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:46:25 -0600 Subject: [6pack] delco alternator Message-ID: <65948AF32E5940F18C39587DA7B93F2A@harryo20vd8cj2> I installed the Delco alternator this weekend and I have a question about the wiring. I found a web site that referenced a GT6 and showed this set up: large brown wire - bolt terminal brown/yellow - pin 1 small brown wire - pin 2 Is this correct for a TR6? Thank you Harry Hart From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Mon Dec 8 14:28:48 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:28:48 -0500 Subject: [6pack] CVJs Have Arrived Message-ID: <988FDB1DE1284E898C4726493C18A072@BOBSNEWPC> The Forum regulars will be sick of seeing this but I just took delivery of Goodparts' brand new, back in stock, better designed and lower priced CVJs. There's some pictures and Richard's explanation of the changes on my site here: http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/CVJ.htm Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From rclark at robertsonclark.com Mon Dec 8 17:12:33 2008 From: rclark at robertsonclark.com (Robert N. Clark) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:12:33 -0800 Subject: [6pack] CVJs Have Arrived In-Reply-To: <988FDB1DE1284E898C4726493C18A072@BOBSNEWPC> Message-ID: What is the benefit of a cvj over the original set up? Bob Clark '69 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Danielson Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:29 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] CVJs Have Arrived The Forum regulars will be sick of seeing this but I just took delivery of Goodparts' brand new, back in stock, better designed and lower priced CVJs. There's some pictures and Richard's explanation of the changes on my site here: http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/CVJ.htm Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From yellowtr at adelphia.net Mon Dec 8 17:03:09 2008 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:03:09 -0500 Subject: [6pack] bumper re-chrome update Message-ID: <200812081903.09798.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Lists: Well Sandy's called this morning and said my TR6 front bumper was done so I drove up to Syr. and picked it up. I just unpacked and inspected it and my first impression is very good. One of the list members from Rochester said that he tried Sandy's a few years ago for his 4A restoration and was not impressed. Not sure if things have changed since but this looks very good. I just finished putting a coat of Collinite wax on the entire bumper and will wrap it up in cellophane and bubble wrap as the restoration is just starting and I will not be mounting this bumper for about 2 years or so if I am lucky. The 20% off bumpers offer is still on for the month of Dec. and if I can get the cash, I am going to have the rear 6 bumper re-plated as well. May do the TR4 rear bumper also this spring. The current bumper is good for a daily driver but there is some spider-ing etc. But there is no surface rust like the 6 had. I dont have a good before picture but the finished product is very nice. For 288 + tax I figured it was worth a try. Website: http://www.sandysbumpermart.com/ Bob From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 8 17:04:10 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:04:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [6pack] CVJs Have Arrived In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Robert N. Clark wrote: > What is the benefit of a cvj over the original set up? less power is used up by the cv than a u-joint. some folks say a LOT of power gets sucked up at those joints. I have no emprical data, though. But look at ANY new car since about 1985 and you won't find many u-joints except in trucks. Bottom line - cv's are better. Also note in the Goodparts setup that if the axle breaks the hub stays put. With the stock setup, if the outer axle stub breaks, you are SOL, for sure 'cause the wheel goes off in whatever direction it wants. :-( > Bob Clark > '69 TR6 rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 19:46:10 2008 From: levilevi at comcast.net (levilevi) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:46:10 -0700 Subject: [6pack] OT: Can someone run a carfax for me? References: Message-ID: Carfax can. Sign up like I had to. 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost Parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Messier To: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: [6pack] OT: Can someone run a carfax for me? Hi, I am in need of a new daily (non-Triumph) vehicle and was wondering if anyone can run a carfax for me? Email me offlist if possible. Thanks, Jon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as levilevi at comcast.net From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 8 20:56:31 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:56:31 -0600 Subject: [6pack] tranny swap Message-ID: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> OK. i've got some reasonable mechanical skills; i've worked on a lot of different aspects of the car, but I'm a newbie compared to most of you guys. if i have a replacement OD tranny ready to go, about how long to make the swap (tranny in car is also od)? thanks. From acekraut11 at aol.com Mon Dec 8 21:24:15 2008 From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:24:15 -0500 Subject: [6pack] tranny swap In-Reply-To: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: <8CB27CD2116BDAF-1374-1F95@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Hi Oliver, The answer will depend somewhat on your resources.? Do you have access to a lift, or are you doing it in your garage with jack stands?? Do you have help or are you doing it alone?? Replacing the clutch components at the same time?? Regardless you can expect the second time to take significantly less time than the first.? Figure a good day to get it done alone the first time you are completing the repair.? Even a helper just to hold a wrench on one side of the gearbox saves a lot of time. It is possible to run into problems like stubborn or rusted bolts that can add significantly more time to the swap.? Sorry for the relatively vague answer.? Use the list for more detailed questions as the questions surface. Aaron Aaron Cropley 71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!) http://www.triumphowners.com/108 2002 Mini Cooper S Topsham, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Oliver To: 6-Pack <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:56 pm Subject: [6pack] tranny swap OK. i've got some reasonable mechanical skills; i've worked on a lot of different aspects of the car, but I'm a newbie compared to most of you guys. if i have a replacement OD tranny ready to go, about how long to make the swap (tranny in car is also od)? thanks. 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as acekraut11 at aol.com From stan.foster at hp.com Mon Dec 8 22:11:11 2008 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:11:11 +0000 Subject: [6pack] tranny swap In-Reply-To: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF727FC5985D0A@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> I would say if all you are doing is a tranny swap and not messing with clutch, flywheel, rear oil seal etc then it is a good weekend project. Start on Friday evening by removing the seats, front carpets, dash support and tranny cover. Saturday disconnect prop shaft, gearbox to engine bolts (note placement or lack of alignment dowels), clutch slave, tranny loom, remove gear stick, disconnect rear mount from frame, lift out the tranny with help from stout friend. Tranny with OD weighs about 100lbs and it has to be lifted manually. Sunday. You and at least one stout friend install replacement tranny, bolt everything back up, reconnect and bleed clutch, reconnect loom. Quick test. Re-install tranny cover, carpet, dash support, seats etc. Drink beer. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:57 PM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] tranny swap OK. i've got some reasonable mechanical skills; i've worked on a lot of different aspects of the car, but I'm a newbie compared to most of you guys. if i have a replacement OD tranny ready to go, about how long to make the swap (tranny in car is also od)? thanks. _______________________________________________ From acekraut11 at aol.com Mon Dec 8 22:47:22 2008 From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:47:22 -0500 Subject: [6pack] tranny swap In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF727FC5985D0A@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF727FC5985D0A@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <8CB27D8BDBAD4E3-1374-223E@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Stan, I agree with everything you wrote except you can bypass the need to bleed the clutch if you use wire to tie off the push rod coming out of the clutch slave to keep it in place.? Reverse steps when installing and the clutch should not need to be bled.? At least that has worked for me in the past. Aaron Aaron Cropley 71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!) http://www.triumphowners.com/108 2002 Mini Cooper S Topsham, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Foster, Stan (HP IT) To: Oliver ; 6-Pack <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:11 am Subject: Re: [6pack] tranny swap I would say if all you are doing is a tranny swap and not messing with clutch, flywheel, rear oil seal etc then it is a good weekend project. Start on Friday evening by removing the seats, front carpets, dash support and tranny cover. Saturday disconnect prop shaft, gearbox to engine bolts (note placement or lack of alignment dowels), clutch slave, tranny loom, remove gear stick, disconnect rear mount from frame, lift out the tranny with help from stout friend. Tranny with OD weighs about 100lbs and it has to be lifted manually. Sunday. You and at least one stout friend install replacement tranny, bolt everything back up, reconnect and bleed clutch, reconnect loom. Quick test. Re-install tranny cover, carpet, dash support, seats etc. Drink beer. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:57 PM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] tranny swap OK. i've got some reasonable mechanical skills; i've worked on a lot of different aspects of the car, but I'm a newbie compared to most of you guys. if i have a replacement OD tranny ready to go, about how long to make the swap (tranny in car is also od)? thanks. _______________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as acekraut11 at aol.com From DLylis at aol.com Tue Dec 9 05:17:52 2008 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:17:52 EST Subject: [6pack] tranny swap Message-ID: Most of your time is going to be spent removing and replacing the interior. The tranny swap is pretty straightforward, but have an extra set of hands. Taking out and putting in is much easier and with the extra hands you can align better and make sure you do not over stress the spline going in. If your interior is out you should be able to do this in 2-3 hours if you have air tools and someone with a wrench on the back side where needed. If your interior is still entirely in place I would allocate a day, and don't make plans for dinner out that evening. Use new nylocs for the prop shaft connection. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Stay in touch with ALL of your friends: update your AIM, Bebo, Facebook, and MySpace pages with just one click. The NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000012) From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Dec 9 07:48:17 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:48:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [6pack] tranny swap In-Reply-To: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Oliver wrote: > OK. i've got some reasonable mechanical skills; i've worked on a lot of > different aspects of the car, but I'm a newbie compared to most of you guys. > > if i have a replacement OD tranny ready to go, about how long to make the swap > (tranny in car is also od)? I've done the job in under two hours. For your first attempt, double that. Air tools help. A lot! > thanks. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Dec 9 07:58:24 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:58:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [6pack] tranny swap In-Reply-To: References: <000601c959b2$21c1f5a0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Robert Lang wrote: > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Oliver wrote: > >> OK. i've got some reasonable mechanical skills; i've worked on a lot of >> different aspects of the car, but I'm a newbie compared to most of you >> guys. >> >> if i have a replacement OD tranny ready to go, about how long to make the >> swap >> (tranny in car is also od)? > > I've done the job in under two hours. > > For your first attempt, double that. > > Air tools help. A lot! four or 5 pairs of vice grips are good for holding bolt heads or nuts when you seperate the tranny from the motor. >> thanks. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Dec 9 08:13:38 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:13:38 EST Subject: [6pack] tranny swap Message-ID: "Oliver" Life is short. Take your time and do other stuff you have meant to do, along the way. You can change a head gasket and replace clutch disc, at the track in under one hour, but not because you want to. JA > I've done the job in under two hours. > > For your first attempt, double that. > > Air tools help. A lot! From stan.foster at hp.com Tue Dec 9 09:29:46 2008 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:29:46 +0000 Subject: [6pack] tranny swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF727FC5985E58@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Agree 100%. The schedule I posted earlier assumes that you spend about 4 hours a day, which is just about as long as I can mentally and physically work on the TR before I start to get tired and start doing stupid things. Take your time, bag, label and store anything that you remove, make a diagram of the loom connections etc. The tranny with OD is heavy, re-insertion is harder than removal, you could easily spend 45 mins just getting it to engage with the clutch if this is your first time. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:14 AM To: lang at isis.mit.edu; sumton at sbcglobal.net Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] tranny swap "Oliver" Life is short. Take your time and do other stuff you have meant to do, along the way. You can change a head gasket and replace clutch disc, at the track in under one hour, but not because you want to. JA > I've done the job in under two hours. > > For your first attempt, double that. > > Air tools help. A lot! From jmerone at rocketmail.com Tue Dec 9 10:44:59 2008 From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:44:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue Message-ID: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sunday night my wife and I returned home after being away someplace warm for almost two weeks. The family car had sat unused in the driveway all that time. It lives outside because in the garage Trevor the TR6 has been resting while waiting to go into storage. So, Monday morning brings the coldest day of the year so far here in Vermont, -2 degrees in the morning. Added to that was 2 inches of new snow still falling on top of black-ice covered roads. The Saab won't start, and it won't take a jump from my battery charger. So I fire up the Triumph (no problem there of course) and try to jump it from that. No-go. We need to get going as my wife HAS to be at work early, and there's no time to wait for AAA. So what do we end up driving to work in? You got it - the TR6. All that new body work, paint job, and pampered LBC life be damned. I actually said "It's time to earn your keep fella." Clothed for the office and with briefcases in hand, we both squeeze into the Triumph and begin our silly looking and frightful commute. With my hands firmly gripping the wheel I slowly manuever through morning traffic up and down hills of ice, snow, and slush. And yes the salt trucks had been out - further causing me greif. It was un-freaking-believable. I stayed within my built in bubble of safety, not wanting to get anywhere near anyone. Ever notice how bad people drive, and the conditions are, when you're equipment and/or conditions are compromised? The stares coming back from other drivers was a combination of confusion and amusement. But we made it. After sitting outside my office all day, Trevor started up just fine for the drive home. Good thing I switch to 10W40 for late fall driving. I then pick up the wife and stop by Auto Zone for a new battery for the Saab. When we finally got home I was outside in the dark (it's now up to 6 degrees) installing the battery, then hosing down the Triumph as best as I could before putting it away again. You should have seen the neighbors staring. "There's that crazy car guy out there again." It's actually supposed to warm up some tomorrow so I'll be taking it out again for a full bath and rubdown before going back in the garage and ready for the next rescue. Joe Merone South Burlington, VT CF18928 5-speed Presently covered in a little slush and salt From stuartt at tlthompson.com Tue Dec 9 11:02:23 2008 From: stuartt at tlthompson.com (Stuart Thompson) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:02:23 -0600 Subject: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue References: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great story...made me feel like I was right there with you! My TR6 came to the rescue recently when my son needed a jump start at his place of employment. Got plenty of looks from younger kids asking me "what is that?". Far out man! Stuart From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Dec 9 11:06:02 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:06:02 EST Subject: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue Message-ID: Great story! I used to drive a Bugeye Sprite to work in the winter....and before I had parking spot with a name on it. I could find spaces no one else could, and if need be I could nose in & slide the rear over in a tight spot, on the packed snow. (The conservative Iowa John Deere personnel thought the whole exercise was bizarre. I was one of the very few in the entire parking lot that variously drove a Karmann Ghia, Sprite, Volvo 1800, TR4A, and TR3A to work over the years) Joe A > Sunday night my wife and I returned home after being away someplace warm for > almost two weeks. The family car had sat unused in the driveway all that > time. It lives outside because in the garage Trevor the TR6 has been resting > while waiting to go into storage. From Chip19474 at aol.com Tue Dec 9 12:32:01 2008 From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:32:01 EST Subject: [6pack] [TR] TR6 to the rescue Message-ID: Joe, What a great story....do you all remember when we had to drive these cars through ice and snow because a TR was all we owned!!?? I have to admit I almost took my beautifully restored TR6 out for a spin in a freak pre-Thanksgiving snow a couple of weeks ago before the salt trucks got out. I was planning to wash it anyway before its winter nap and this little devilish voice in my head said "take it out - live the moment"! Instead I reflected on how many white knuckle drives I took home from college in my TR3 in the snow with Firestone Town & Country studded snow tires in the rear and a very heavy cast metal picnic table umbrella weight in the boot for traction...then I had another sip of Captain Morgans:) Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1976 TR6 CF57822U In a message dated 12/9/2008 12:45:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jmerone at rocketmail.com writes: So what do we end up driving to work in? You got it - the TR6. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Dec 9 12:35:05 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:35:05 EST Subject: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue Message-ID: Joe, you should send that in as a story for 6-Pack and VTR. I know from experience the Editors are always looking for a good story. Maybe you could even send a picture of the outside. Don't have to have the car in it but just to show what you and the little beastie went through. Cheers, Gary Fuqua **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Dec 9 13:57:24 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:57:24 EST Subject: [6pack] [TR] TR6 to the rescue and other wintertime stories Message-ID: Chip, Thanks for kind word. I have another snowtime story and parking...... My first LBC was a MG TD in 1962. I lived downtown over a Restaurant & Lounge in Charles City, Iowa, while working for White Farm Equipment. It was snowing those huge snow flakes in the evening and I was approaching a street parking spot off of Main.........from the opposite direction. I flicked the steering wheel left, gave it a little gas, and slid sideways in the parallel parking spot, neatly between two other cars..about 3 inches from the high curbing, common in those days. Now this was a very dark side street, and I was unaware of the two shiny official issue high top leather boots standing there........until I looked through the side curtain. I got out, glanced his way, and kept on walking. This city cop never said a word, but I am pretty sure he was shaking his head. (There was only one of these cars in Charles City, so there was no question he knew who it was) This same TD was known to pull an upside down car hood behind it with screaming girls on the frozen Cedar River....but that's another story. Joe A > Joe, > > What a great story....do you all remember when we had to drive these cars > through ice and snow because a TR was all we owned!!?? From 70tr6 at mindspring.com Tue Dec 9 14:10:57 2008 From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:10:57 -0500 Subject: [6pack] [TR] TR6 to the rescue In-Reply-To: <493EB59F.70603@earthlink.net> References: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <493EB59F.70603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <80B60F47-19D9-4D17-B06F-3137EC17DA43@mindspring.com> I'm not sure this qualifies, but last year my wife called me on the cell phone. It seems the um, German sedan, was acting up. Virtually all the lights were on in the dash and it would only proceed at a 5 mph rate. Thinking I had a handle on things I hopped in my daily driver, but grabbed the battery out of the TR6. I believed the alternator had probably gone south, so I installed the TR battery and drove the Merc home. While the Triumph didn't rescue my wife, the years of ownership had taught me a little bit of diagnostic lessons. The repair shop tried to tell me it was just the battery, but I pressed my point and was ultimately proven correct. You see, driving a Triumph is not only fun but educational too. Ashford Little '70 TR6 From im_sloane at hotmail.com Tue Dec 9 14:30:35 2008 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:30:35 +0000 Subject: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue In-Reply-To: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <106527.66473.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great story! While it's dirty, go ahead and get this year's Christmas Tree in it. Just take out the trunk floor and spare tire. I never got such strange looks from a Tree man, and amazement that it actually would fit in there. Sloane :) 69-Six SNIP--It's actually supposed to warm up some> tomorrow so I'll be taking it out again for a full bath and rubdown before> going back in the garage and ready for the next rescue.> > Joe Merone> South> Burlington, VT> CF18928 5-speed> Presently covered in a little slush and salt > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > 6pack at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack> > http://www.team.net/archive> > You are subscribed as im_sloane at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 9 14:45:46 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:45:46 -0600 Subject: [6pack] [TR] TR6 to the rescue References: Message-ID: <003a01c95a48$369d1860$390211ac@Ranteer.local> it rarely snows in dallas, but when it does we ALWAYS take out one of the front wheel drive cars (honda) and an lbc. two years ago my son did a perfect 360 into an intersection (there was no traffic). we laughed and squealed and kept going! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 to the rescue > Joe, > > What a great story....do you all remember when we had to drive these cars > through ice and snow because a TR was all we owned!!?? > > I have to admit I almost took my beautifully restored TR6 out for a spin > in > a freak pre-Thanksgiving snow a couple of weeks ago before the salt > trucks > got out. I was planning to wash it anyway before its winter nap and this > little devilish voice in my head said "take it out - live the moment"! > > Instead I reflected on how many white knuckle drives I took home from > college in my TR3 in the snow with Firestone Town & Country studded snow > tires in > the rear and a very heavy cast metal picnic table umbrella weight in the > boot > for traction...then I had another sip of Captain Morgans:) > > Chip Krout > Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. > Skippack, PA > 1976 TR6 CF57822U > > > In a message dated 12/9/2008 12:45:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jmerone at rocketmail.com writes: > > So what do we end up driving > to work in? You got it - the TR6. > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as sumton at sbcglobal.net From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Tue Dec 9 16:08:00 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:08:00 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue Message-ID: <35083FF2CC48488C9DF7508AB7DE8537@BOBSNEWPC> Joe, That's how I spent my 4 years in Winooski, VT......driving the Sprite and then the AH3000....only difference was I looked forward to the snow and sliding the car all over the place. Interesting how our perspectives change with time. I bet Trevor had a blast too. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Dec 9 19:01:54 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:01:54 -0600 Subject: [6pack] [TR] TR6 to the rescue In-Reply-To: <80B60F47-19D9-4D17-B06F-3137EC17DA43@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Oh, so you DO have more mechanical ability than a Blue Smurf! I'm proud of you! Mike Munson 70-6 racer 73-6 street Bowling Green, KY Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 to the rescue I'm not sure this qualifies, but last year my wife called me on the cell phone. It seems the um, German sedan, was acting up. Virtually all the lights were on in the dash and it would only proceed at a 5 mph rate. Thinking I had a handle on things I hopped in my daily driver, but grabbed the battery out of the TR6. I believed the alternator had probably gone south, so I installed the TR battery and drove the Merc home. While the Triumph didn't rescue my wife, the years of ownership had taught me a little bit of diagnostic lessons. The repair shop tried to tell me it was just the battery, but I pressed my point and was ultimately proven correct. You see, driving a Triumph is not only fun but educational too. Ashford Little '70 TR6 _______________________________________________ From DLylis at aol.com Tue Dec 9 19:52:41 2008 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:52:41 EST Subject: [6pack] [TR] TR6 to the rescue Message-ID: OK a little off topic. Living on Cape Cod and my wife and I are going to a party at night going North on 495. I have a SAAB Turbo (88 I think) and this car has a freeze warning light. Temp goes to freezing, light comes on. We are driving along about 65 and I decide to slow down. When I slow down I discover we are on black ice. I reduce my speed to about 40 and take it slow and easy. Some ice, no ice, as we go along. I turn around to head for home. Suddenly lights appears in my rear view and this guy is moving. Apparently, no freeze warning light. His headlights start to sweep back and forth as he loses control of the car, and then they disappear. The next time we see the lights they are shining in our faces as he passes us going backwards. I don't know as I will ever forget the looks on their faces as they came into my headlights and I could see into their windshield. A couple of wild swings and everyone came to a stop unharmed. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Stay in touch with ALL of your friends: update your AIM, Bebo, Facebook, and MySpace pages with just one click. The NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000012) From jmerone at rocketmail.com Wed Dec 10 10:49:25 2008 From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:49:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue - the end Message-ID: <388168.78110.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The story ends... Since our wild winter ride Monday morning the TR6 has sat back in the garage, but was covered with a fine layer of salt and grime. I've been waiting for a slight break in the weather to get it outside and give it a bath, all the time feeling sorry for my paint, my canvas top, my chrome, and my undercarriage - although that part of the car has that very special Triumph lubrication liberally applied over most of it. This morning I awoke to temps in the 40s, but dropping fast due to a cold front quickly on the way. Off to work? Nah - I've got to wash the car - and now. So there I am out in the driveway at 7:30 a.m. on a December morning in Vermont, the sun just coming up, washing a British sports car. And not just a little wash, but a thorough one. Yes neighbors, I am a little weird - "good morning and have a nice day." And what happens then? You guessed it - a very heavy snow squall hits. Keep washing - faster. But now the rinse water is freezing up on the car. Keep drying - faster. More strange looks from the neighbors, but a clean and happy car. Joe Merone South Burlington, VT CF18928 5-speed From KKSMC at aol.com Wed Dec 10 13:17:22 2008 From: KKSMC at aol.com (KKSMC at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:17:22 EST Subject: [6pack] Math problem Message-ID: **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From tr6taylor at webtv.net Wed Dec 10 16:00:36 2008 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:00:36 GMT Subject: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue Message-ID: I also liked to drive my six in the snow. I found that with studded snow tires I could go many places. As you may know, salt isn't used on So. Cal. roads, as those in charge prefer spreading cinders. Winter trips to our mountain cabin usually ended with me dropping off the wife and then going out to explore some of the local roads. It would probably be even more fun now, with the limited slip diff, but alas, the cabin was sold after 24 years of play. (And these tires dismounted and scrapped) I still remember going up one hill that the driver of a VW found necessary to back down from. I'm sure he was surprised to see a TR6 go on around him! Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bob Danielson Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 3:08 PM To: '6 Pack list', 'Triumph List' Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 to the rescue Joe, That's how I spent my 4 years in Winooski, VT......driving the Sprite and then the AH3000....only difference was I looked forward to the snow and sliding the car all over the place. Interesting how our perspectives change with time. I bet Trevor had a blast too. Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From fishplate at charter.net Wed Dec 10 21:41:40 2008 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:41:40 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Overdrive Conversion Message-ID: <20081211044139.ZRNO128.aarprv06.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net> Suppose a guy had a spare Spitfire transmission with J-type overdrive, and a 1975 TR6 that sadly lacked an overdrive. How foolish might this hypothetical individual be to consider what it would take to put the J-type from the Spitfire onto the TR6 gearbox? Jeff Scarbrough 75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5 http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/ Corrosion Acres, Georgia #354 From DLylis at aol.com Thu Dec 11 04:26:19 2008 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:26:19 EST Subject: [6pack] Overdrive Conversion Message-ID: I can't speak as to the Spitfire part of this, but if it is a general run of the mill J type, you have to change the tranny mainshaft (and all the bearings and bushes while you are in there), and the rear mount (I think/maybe not on a 75), and drive away. I put a J type on my 60 TR3A. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019) From TR6UO at aol.com Thu Dec 11 05:58:18 2008 From: TR6UO at aol.com (TR6UO at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:58:18 EST Subject: [6pack] Clutch Hydraulics Message-ID: Listers, Well, there's no way to ask this question without admitting that I had not started my TR6 in quite some time. Yesterday, in preparation for some pre-winter embalming, I reset the cutoff switch, got in to start the car and noticed the clutch pedal was very soft. My first thought was I had lost clutch fluid, as I used to have the same issue on my 4A, which I never resolved before selling. My suspicions were confirmed when I opened the reservoir and found only a small deposit of black gunk defiantly starring back at me. I cleaned it out, refilled it and in a couple pumps of the pedal I felt the familiar resistance of the hydraulics returned to life. My question is where do I start looking for the leak? I did see some evidence of leakage on the garage floor on the passenger side. I wouldn't normally associate that with the clutch hydraulics. Thanks for any input! Steve '72 TR6 **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 06:37:28 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:37:28 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Clutch Hydraulics Message-ID: <121120081337.1759.4941179800066D48000006DF2216557996970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: TR6UO at aol.com > My question is where do I start looking for the leak? When that happened in my car, all of the fluid was inside the dust cap of the slave cylinder, but beyond the seal on the slave cylinder piston. As soon as I pulled the dust cap, all of the fluid came out. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL From tr6taylor at webtv.net Thu Dec 11 12:12:49 2008 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:12:49 GMT Subject: [6pack] Clutch Hydraulics Message-ID: Steve---There should only be two likely places for the hydraulic fluid to escape: the clutch master and the clutch slave cylinder. If it's the MC, there will be seepage at the dust cover down at the base of the clutch pedal. If it's the SC, then it will be at the like dust cover, as Irv mentioned. Any other less likely places, as a loose bleeder screw or cracked fluid line should show up when pressurizing system, when pumping and holding the clutch down. If air got into the system when the reservoir was low, you may have to bleed it out at the nipple. Dick -----Original Message----- From: TR6UO at aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:58 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Clutch Hydraulics Listers, Well, there's no way to ask this question without admitting that I had not started my TR6 in quite some time. Yesterday, in preparation for some pre-winter embalming, I reset the cutoff switch, got in to start the car and noticed the clutch pedal was very soft. My first thought was I had lost clutch fluid, as I used to have the same issue on my 4A, which I never resolved before selling. My suspicions were confirmed when I opened the reservoir and found only a small deposit of black gunk defiantly starring back at me. I cleaned it out, refilled it and in a couple pumps of the pedal I felt the familiar resistance of the hydraulics returned to life. My question is where do I start looking for the leak? I did see some evidence of leakage on the garage floor on the passenger side. I wouldn't normally associate that with the clutch hydraulics. Thanks for any input! Steve '72 TR6 **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From TR6UO at aol.com Thu Dec 11 12:35:23 2008 From: TR6UO at aol.com (TR6UO at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:35:23 EST Subject: [6pack] Clutch Hydraulics Message-ID: Gentlemen, Thanks very much for all the great feedback. I should have some time on Saturday morning to check it out. Regards, Steve '72 TR6 **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From trsix74 at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 15:06:58 2008 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:06:58 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Clutch Hydraulics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E6CBEB5D1E3435D9DD029B2AAC242A5@Robert> My money is that it bypassed the piston and tipping valve and it has ended up in the Brake Servo From trsix74 at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 15:17:33 2008 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:17:33 -0500 Subject: [6pack] FW: Clutch Hydraulics Message-ID: <4EB541ABEE8A40AA9C72A026450842F1@Robert> Clutch fluid? Lou Duhh, I guess I should read before commenting! From aldwyn at sylvancircle.org Thu Dec 11 16:52:43 2008 From: aldwyn at sylvancircle.org (Aldwyn) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:52:43 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Clutch Hydraulics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20081211184515.03d1cb40@216.7.163.243> Like Irv, I had this happen, too. Clutch master was empty of fluid, but there was no puddle on the carpet below the slave, no puddle in the footwell, no sign of leakage from the master, etc... Quite a bit of the fluid ended up being in the rubber cover of the slave... when I removed the slave, the fluid was happy to drip all over my arm. :) You could also have a crack in the plastic hose which runs between the slave and the metal line that is connected to the master... even though I discovered it was my slave that was bad (replaced it with a long throw slave, BTW... totally changed the feel of the clutch), I replaced the plastic hose as well, just in case.... since it's easy to replace, and doesn't cost much for a new one (unless you go braided!), I figured it was a no brainer. And it wouldn't surprise me if you saw fluid on the passenger side. Fluid may have run from around the seal to the mount, over to the bell housing, and then onto the ground from there. Good luck! At 07:58 AM 12/11/2008, TR6UO at aol.com wrote: >Listers, > >Well, there's no way to ask this question without admitting that I had not >started my TR6 in quite some time. >Yesterday, in preparation for some pre-winter embalming, I reset the cutoff >switch, got in to start the car and noticed the clutch pedal was very soft. >My first thought was I had lost clutch fluid, as I used to have the >same issue >on my 4A, which I never resolved before selling. My suspicions were >confirmed when I opened the reservoir and found only a small deposit of >black gunk >defiantly starring back at me. I cleaned it out, refilled it and in a couple >pumps of the pedal I felt the familiar resistance of the >hydraulics returned to >life. > >My question is where do I start looking for the leak? I did see some >evidence of leakage on the garage floor on the passenger side. I >wouldn't normally >associate that with the clutch hydraulics. > >Thanks for any input! > >Steve >'72 TR6 From brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 12 19:58:05 2008 From: brucesimms2003 at yahoo.ca (Bruce Simms) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:58:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] Clutch hydraulics Message-ID: <408678.63390.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I found the same as Irv with the missing fluid. A new slave, bled the system, and all was good again. Bruce Simms __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 20:02:43 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:02:43 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Clutch hydraulics References: <408678.63390.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c95ccf$45aafff0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> don't forget to replace the hose while you're there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Simms" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Clutch hydraulics >I found the same as Irv with the missing fluid. A new slave, bled the >system, > and all was good again. > > Bruce Simms From 70tr6 at mindspring.com Fri Dec 12 22:10:21 2008 From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:10:21 -0500 Subject: [6pack] 6-Pack Membership lapse email References: <4948D186-85E4-423E-A16E-16B3F9497BDD@6-pack.org> Message-ID: > It has come to my attention that an email inadvertently went out to > 6-Pack members stating that their membership may be about to > expire. This email went out in error. It is our policy to send an > email to members who have either one or zero issues left. This > email may have gone to all members regardless of status. The 6-Pack > regrets this error, and you can always check your status as to > remaining issues by logging into the website and noting the number > of issues left. That number is correct up to the issue that was > just mailed out. Members whose membership is about to receive will > receive notification via email within the next couple of days if > they are about to lapse. Members with two or more issues remaining > will not receive this email. Once you receive this email, one issue > (the one recently received) will be deducted so in effect if you > check your status today and have 4 issues remaining, you actually > have 3 not counting the current issue. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > Ashford Little > 6-Pack Membership Secretary > '70 TR6 From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 14 11:08:07 2008 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:08:07 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR4(A) Message-ID: <029801c95e16$eb1a4a70$6401a8c0@STATION6> There is a movie on cable right now (Sunday 1:00 PM). It is called "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes" with Kirt Russell 1969. There is a beautiful powder Blue TR4 (A) that one of the kids is driving. Alex Manzo From triosan at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 12:31:27 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:31:27 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Need a TR6 4 speed mainshaft Message-ID: <8cbd782d0812141131h26d0197fnd2f7ac42b20e7b0d@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have a later tranny TR6 main shaft they would like to sell? Someone who converted their 4 speed to OD would be a good candidate.Thanks, -- Chuck Arnold From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sun Dec 14 14:34:23 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:34:23 -0500 Subject: [6pack] "Best" Nut to use Message-ID: <344B9FD1C0D5437586669E131FA1A9A7@BOBSNEWPC> Right now I have the differential and axles out of the car. In the past I've always used Nyloc nuts (brand new ones, never re-use them) but am seeing more references to better locking type nuts to use. I want them for: diff to driveshaft, diff to axles and axle hubs to training arms. In Mcmaster, I can find: nylocs, expanding/Flexloc and Distorted-Thread of which there are 5 choices. I know one person using Cleve-locs(?) which might be a brand name. Someone else is using all Aircraft quality AN and NAS type hardware. All provide for vibration resistant fit which is what I'm looking for. So what are you using or what do you recommend? Thanks Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From 70tr6 at mindspring.com Sun Dec 14 15:38:29 2008 From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:38:29 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Driving Reminder Message-ID: <41EE98E8-E23A-4A7C-929A-BF58F071929B@mindspring.com> The weather is 45 degrees, cold and damp. It's the kind of day that is dreary and gets you in a bad mood. It looks like it's gonna rain. It doesn't look like a good day to drive a convertible, right? Wrong, go drive your car if you aren't subject to salty roads. It'll improve your mood, trust me. Then you can reward yourself with a nice caramel colored malt beverage. Mood improved. Ashford Little '70 TR6 From 70tr6 at mindspring.com Sun Dec 14 16:10:36 2008 From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:10:36 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Anybody seen this movie? Message-ID: I went to Netlfix to see what is coming this week and they suggested a movie called Flywheel that I might like. On the cover is a TR3. http://www.flywheelthemovie.com/story.php Ashford Little '70 TR6 From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Dec 14 17:46:31 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:46:31 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Anybody seen this movie? Message-ID: <7D8BEB9B.24627020.00159EE9@cs.com> Ashford, I saw FLYWHEEL on the shelves of a rental place and meant to go back after it, but didnt. Coincidentally, the TRIUMPH factory used 'FLYWHEEL' as the address for their facsimile transmissions. Thanks for reminding me about this movie as I wish to see it or acquire it. Joe A >I went to Netlfix to see what is coming this week and they suggested a >movie called Flywheel that I might like. On the cover is a TR3. > >http://www.flywheelthemovie.com/story.php > >Ashford Little >'70 TR6 >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >6pack at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > >http://www.team.net/archive > >You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 14 18:20:24 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:20:24 -0600 Subject: [6pack] [TR] Anybody seen this movie? References: <7D8BEB9B.24627020.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <001d01c95e53$79273940$ca89a8c0@Ranteer.local> flywheel is a cute little movie about a used car salesman who buys a tr3 which ends up needing a flywheel. that is completely peripheral to the movie. the used car salesman (and i don't remember why/how) suddenly decides not to cheat people anymore, and in fact returns a bunch of money to people he has cheated. he then is close to going out of business . . . i won't spoil it for you. its very preachy, light and fluffy. the tr3 shows up in the beginning, i think once in the middle, and at the very end. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Ashford Little" <70tr6 at mindspring.com>; "6-PackEmail List" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Email List" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Anybody seen this movie? > Ashford, > > I saw FLYWHEEL on the shelves of a rental place and meant to go back after > it, but didnt. > > Coincidentally, the TRIUMPH factory used 'FLYWHEEL' as the address for > their facsimile transmissions. > > Thanks for reminding me about this movie as I wish to see it or acquire > it. > > Joe A > > > >>I went to Netlfix to see what is coming this week and they suggested a >>movie called Flywheel that I might like. On the cover is a TR3. >> >>http://www.flywheelthemovie.com/story.php From Btp44 at aol.com Sun Dec 14 19:55:59 2008 From: Btp44 at aol.com (Btp44 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:55:59 EST Subject: [6pack] [TR] Anybody seen this movie? Message-ID: Anybody remember the movie "Diner"? It featured a red TR3. and an ingenious use for a bag of popcorn. Berry Price **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 15 10:49:55 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:49:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [6pack] [TR] Anybody seen this movie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 Btp44 at aol.com wrote: > Anybody remember the movie "Diner"? It featured a red TR3. and an ingenious > use for a bag of popcorn. The TR3 belongs (belonged???) to Triumphs list and all-around goood guy John Lye. His license plate is DINER issued in VA. > Berry Price rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Btp44 at aol.com Mon Dec 15 11:06:24 2008 From: Btp44 at aol.com (Btp44 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:06:24 EST Subject: [6pack] [TR] Anybody seen this movie? Message-ID: Hopefully it survived the staged roll over without major damage. Berry **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From lindquistse at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 13:00:09 2008 From: lindquistse at gmail.com (Stephen Lindquist) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:00:09 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Message-ID: <7dfdd1160812151200l5ea99c78je69a7d610acdfd77@mail.gmail.com> What rpm should the engine crankshaft be turning at when the starter is in good shape and the battery fully charged? I am trying to diagnose a lack spark to my plugs. I get a nice spark off the coil if I attach a plug wire to the coil output but not all spark plug wires seem to be firing at 1/6th of the coil spark rate. And since the engine wont start I am trying to diagnose the problem from starter rpm/camshaft rpm and the numbers don't seem to make sense. 68 TR250 Thanks, Steve From britishtr6 at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 14:24:31 2008 From: britishtr6 at gmail.com (Jon M) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:24:31 -0800 Subject: [6pack] FS: TR6 Kangol Seatbelt 'Press' Button Stickers Message-ID: Hello fellow 6-Packers, I've been a lurker for a long time, so please excuse my blatant bomb to the list; I hope you will be patient with me. A few years back, I had some bright orange "Press" stickers made for the original Kangol Seatbelts. Some may remember that I sold some to this list back then. Well, I was going through a bunch of stuff during the recent holiday and found that I still had a few left and thought I would offer them up for sale. If you are interested, they are $5.00 for a set (2 stickers) postage included. At this time, I would prefer payment via Paypal. The Paypal address for payment is: britishtr6 at gmail.com and please use the following in the subject line: TR6 Kangol Seatbelt 'Press' Button Stickers Thanks for your understanding and now back to your regular scheduled TR6 discussions!! Cheers, Jon From vance.navarrette at intel.com Mon Dec 15 14:41:14 2008 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:41:14 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm In-Reply-To: <7dfdd1160812151200l5ea99c78je69a7d610acdfd77@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dfdd1160812151200l5ea99c78je69a7d610acdfd77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573BA04403@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Steve: A guess would be 400 RPM cranking speed. But I would expect it to start even if the cranking speed were, say, 300 RPM or less. Some things to check: 1. Spark plug gap. They should be around 0.025" or so. Make sure they are all correct. 2. Cap and Rotor. Make sure you have the correct rotor and cap for your model year. The design changed during the production run, and you cannot mix and match the cap/rotor. Also inspect the inside of the cap to make sure there is no damage and that the cap is clean inside. Inspect the rotor for any damage as well. 3. Firing order. Make sure your wires proceed ANTI-CLOCKWISE around the top of the dizzy cap in the following order: 1-5-3-6-2-4. 4. Spark plug wires. The wires are resistor wires, and can go bad. If a plug is not firing reliably, try swapping a wire from a cylinder that does fire reliably. If that solves the problem for the bad cylinder, replace the plug wires. You can get wires from any good auto parts store. Bosch makes a set that will fit. 5. Timing. Surprisingly easy to get wrong. Set the timing at 10 BTDC with the vacuum line to the dizzy disconnected and plugged. The shop manual is confusing and a failed vacuum pot will give a false reading, so this is the safest way to get the correct result. 6. Dwell (or point gap). Make sure the gap on the points is correct, or better yet set the dwell using a dwell meter. If this is wrong, the points may not open or close fully and missing sparks will be the result. 7. Spark coil. Make sure you have the correct coil. High performance coils draw more current and if your battery or wiring is marginal, may cause problems. I do not recommend the use of high performance coils, although many people have great success with them. Check the resistance of the primary side of the coil. It should be about 3 ohms if you have a stock coil. That will keep you busy for a while. If that doesn't do it, let us know and we can start talking about the carbs and/or cam timing. Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lindquist Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:00 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm What rpm should the engine crankshaft be turning at when the starter is in good shape and the battery fully charged? I am trying to diagnose a lack spark to my plugs. I get a nice spark off the coil if I attach a plug wire to the coil output but not all spark plug wires seem to be firing at 1/6th of the coil spark rate. And since the engine wont start I am trying to diagnose the problem from starter rpm/camshaft rpm and the numbers don't seem to make sense. 68 TR250 Thanks, Steve From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 15 15:25:35 2008 From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:25:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Message-ID: <578188.28650.qm@web82607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Steve and Vance, I missed the original message somehow but I recorded cranking speeds as low as 200rpm when I was messing around with some ignition stuff a few years ago. The spark should work fine just anytime the points open regardless of cranking speed. To test the spark the first step I use is to put the coil wire somewhere close to something so it can spark and just open the points and see if i get anything. (Or move the trigger wheel on my optical ignition) Kendall ----- Original Message ---- From: "Navarrette, Vance" To: Stephen Lindquist Cc: "6pack at autox.team.net" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:41:14 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Steve: A guess would be 400 RPM cranking speed. But I would expect it to start even if the cranking speed were, say, 300 RPM or less. Some things to check: From DLylis at aol.com Mon Dec 15 16:02:24 2008 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:02:24 EST Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Message-ID: Make sure the points are not improperly grounded. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215195222x1200993641/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=82%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO82) From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Mon Dec 15 23:51:20 2008 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:51:20 +0100 Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If they were, he wouldn't get a nice spark off the coil when he attached a plug wire to the coil output. Best regards Eric www.brits-n-pieces.com -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DLylis at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:02 AM To: lindquistse at gmail.com; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Make sure the points are not improperly grounded. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Mon Dec 15 23:59:20 2008 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:59:20 +0100 Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573BA04403@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: These are surely things to look at, but setting the timing should be done last, especially after setting the dwell angle, because setting the dwell destroys the timing. BTW, what are your objections to high performance coils? Best regards Eric www.brits-n-pieces.com Steve: A guess would be 400 RPM cranking speed. But I would expect it to start even if the cranking speed were, say, 300 RPM or less. Some things to check: 1. Spark plug gap. They should be around 0.025" or so. Make sure they are all correct. 2. Cap and Rotor. Make sure you have the correct rotor and cap for your model year. The design changed during the production run, and you cannot mix and match the cap/rotor. Also inspect the inside of the cap to make sure there is no damage and that the cap is clean inside. Inspect the rotor for any damage as well. 3. Firing order. Make sure your wires proceed ANTI-CLOCKWISE around the top of the dizzy cap in the following order: 1-5-3-6-2-4. 4. Spark plug wires. The wires are resistor wires, and can go bad. If a plug is not firing reliably, try swapping a wire from a cylinder that does fire reliably. If that solves the problem for the bad cylinder, replace the plug wires. You can get wires from any good auto parts store. Bosch makes a set that will fit. 5. Timing. Surprisingly easy to get wrong. Set the timing at 10 BTDC with the vacuum line to the dizzy disconnected and plugged. The shop manual is confusing and a failed vacuum pot will give a false reading, so this is the safest way to get the correct result. 6. Dwell (or point gap). Make sure the gap on the points is correct, or better yet set the dwell using a dwell meter. If this is wrong, the points may not open or close fully and missing sparks will be the result. 7. Spark coil. Make sure you have the correct coil. High performance coils draw more current and if your battery or wiring is marginal, may cause problems. I do not recommend the use of high performance coils, although many people have great success with them. Check the resistance of the primary side of the coil. It should be about 3 ohms if you have a stock coil. That will keep you busy for a while. If that doesn't do it, let us know and we can start talking about the carbs and/or cam timing. Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast From tr6taylor at webtv.net Tue Dec 16 00:36:12 2008 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:36:12 GMT Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Message-ID: Steve---If you have a good, steady spark from the coil wire to ground, then things are probably OK from the points to the coil neg. If you can't get spark to the plug wires, then the rotor is suspect. Or something in the cap area. The no-start could be timing related, but you should still be seeing spark from the plug wires. Approx. 12 flashes during five seconds of cranking, per wire. My best guess for crankshaft rpm when using the starter motor would be around 150 rpm. A lot depends on how much drag is from motor parts, compression, oil viscosity and the like. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Lindquist Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:00 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm What rpm should the engine crankshaft be turning at when the starter is in good shape and the battery fully charged? I am trying to diagnose a lack spark to my plugs. I get a nice spark off the coil if I attach a plug wire to the coil output but not all spark plug wires seem to be firing at 1/6th of the coil spark rate. And since the engine wont start I am trying to diagnose the problem from starter rpm/camshaft rpm and the numbers don't seem to make sense. 68 TR250 Thanks, Steve 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Tue Dec 16 00:58:39 2008 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:58:39 +0100 Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dick, 150 rpm makes 2.5 rps (rotations per second). That is 12.5 rotations per 5 secs. A 4-stroke engine has 1 ignition every 2 rotations per cylinder. That makes approx. 6 flashes during 5 secs of cranking per wire. So, a rule of thumb would be 1 flash/sec, maybe a bit more. Best regards Eric www.brits-n-pieces.com -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sally or Dick Taylor Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:36 AM To: Stephen Lindquist; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Steve---If you have a good, steady spark from the coil wire to ground, then things are probably OK from the points to the coil neg. If you can't get spark to the plug wires, then the rotor is suspect. Or something in the cap area. The no-start could be timing related, but you should still be seeing spark from the plug wires. Approx. 12 flashes during five seconds of cranking, per wire. My best guess for crankshaft rpm when using the starter motor would be around 150 rpm. A lot depends on how much drag is from motor parts, compression, oil viscosity and the like. Dick From 70tr6 at mindspring.com Tue Dec 16 06:17:46 2008 From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:17:46 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Ever ask your child what car they want? Message-ID: No, not a 16 year old. My wife called me after dropping the kids off at school, and they played a game on the way. She asked them if they could have one car, what would it be? My daughter responded to the singular request by naming four cars. When Catherine reminded her that she had only asked for one car, she said "why not, we have four cars." Here were the responses from youngest to oldest. Amalie (6): TR6, 911, Trooper and a Bug - the first three have inhabited the driveway at one time or another Davis (8): TR8, I didn't know he even knew what a TR8 was Nathan (10): Spitfire and a Mustang - I hope an older one There's hope for the younger generation yet. Ashford Little '70 TR6 From sakirsis at consolidated.net Tue Dec 16 11:22:31 2008 From: sakirsis at consolidated.net (Steve Kirsis) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:22:31 -0600 Subject: [6pack] Cir-Clip Pliers Message-ID: <9366C965251543DF9F7DCA1233AF2410@stevekirsisPC> Hey Gang, Can anyone suggest or does anyone know of a source of Triumph right Cir-Clip pliers? Trying to find stocking gifts for my wife and I can't think of anything nicer. But what size and style for a six? Didn't know there were so many to choose from. Steve Kirsis. '70 and '75. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue Dec 16 11:32:19 2008 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:32:19 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Cir-Clip Pliers In-Reply-To: <9366C965251543DF9F7DCA1233AF2410@stevekirsisPC> Message-ID: <92962243FE724B1DAF16233776ED5753@Desktop> So Steve Your wife works on your six? Craig -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kirsis Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:23 PM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Cir-Clip Pliers Hey Gang, Can anyone suggest or does anyone know of a source of Triumph right Cir-Clip pliers? Trying to find stocking gifts for my wife and I can't think of anything nicer. But what size and style for a six? Didn't know there were so many to choose from. Steve Kirsis. '70 and '75. 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net From vance.navarrette at intel.com Tue Dec 16 11:45:28 2008 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:45:28 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Cir-Clip Pliers In-Reply-To: <92962243FE724B1DAF16233776ED5753@Desktop> References: <9366C965251543DF9F7DCA1233AF2410@stevekirsisPC> <92962243FE724B1DAF16233776ED5753@Desktop> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573BA048E4@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Craig: I assumed it worked the same way in Steve's house that it works in mine: "Wow, honey. That sure is a nice set of cir-clip pliers. Mind if I borrow them?" Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:32 AM To: 'Steve Kirsis'; '6pack' Subject: Re: [6pack] Cir-Clip Pliers So Steve Your wife works on your six? Craig From vance.navarrette at intel.com Tue Dec 16 10:31:16 2008 From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:31:16 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm In-Reply-To: References: <7dfdd1160812151200l5ea99c78je69a7d610acdfd77@mail.gmail.com> <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573BA04403@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279573BA04800@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> George: I owe you and the list an apology. You are correct, the TR6 cap/rotor did not change. I am getting TR6 stuff tangled up with Mini stuff. The mini of course had multiple changes in the dizzy, cap, rotor and lots of other stuff. The only things that changed on the TR6 dizzy were the wires and the vacuum dashpots. The cap and rotor never changed. Sorry about that... Vance ('74 TR6, '76 Mini) Vance Navarrette Cogito Ergo Zoom I think, therefore I go fast ________________________________ From: George Loriot [mailto:george_loriot at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:38 AM To: Navarrette, Vance; lindquistse at gmail.com Cc: 6pack Subject: RE: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Vance, Could you be a little more specific about distributor cap and rotor change during the production run? All catalogs I've seen only show 1 part number for all TR6 model years. Is there a secret cache of properly labeled caps/rotors that was squirreled away by Lucas just to maintain their reputation as Price of Darkness? I have a 76 mostly stock TR6 and it runs fine with occaisional misses. I could make a case that a misaligned cap/rotor combo could do that. And help would be greatly appreciated. George Loriot 1976 TR6 - in the frozen north of Vermont From im_sloane at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 14:22:12 2008 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:22:12 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Ever ask your child what car they want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm the proud father of 1 'car guy' and 1 'not car guy'. (15) once said he'd like a mini-van. Of course that was a few years ago, before learner's permit. (12) always states that he want's a Mustang, Corvette, Porsche, etc. He 'assumes' there's a TR6 in his future so that goes without saying. Sloane :) 69-Six ('till I kick the bucket)> From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com> To: 6pack at autox.team.net; Triumphs at autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:17:46 -0500> Subject: [6pack] Ever ask your child what car they want?> > Ashford Little> '70 TR6> _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > 6pack at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack> > http://www.team.net/archive> > You are subscribed as im_sloane at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 From Lfm614 at aol.com Tue Dec 16 15:38:32 2008 From: Lfm614 at aol.com (Lfm614 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:38:32 EST Subject: [6pack] Cir-Clip Pliers Message-ID: Either that or she has cir-clips Lou In a message dated 12/16/2008 12:33:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, wensley_tr at comcast.net writes: So Steve Your wife works on your six? Craig -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kirsis Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:23 PM To: 6pack Subject: [6pack] Cir-Clip Pliers Hey Gang, Can anyone suggest or does anyone know of a source of Triumph right Cir-Clip pliers? Trying to find stocking gifts for my wife and I can't think of anything nicer. But what size and style for a six? Didn't know there were so many to choose from. Steve Kirsis. '70 and '75. 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as lfm614 at aol.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From anabil007 at comcast.net Tue Dec 16 16:28:28 2008 From: anabil007 at comcast.net (Bill & AnnaBelle) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:28:28 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Cir-Clip Pliers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually my Wife works (with me) on HER TR6, and when needed on my TR3 ... there are times when long slender fingers can reach places I can't ... and yes ... she does get grease under her fingernails ... So Steve Your wife works on your six? Craig -- Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 TS16765L aka Casper AnnaBelle Pugh 1970 TR6 CC59179L aka Rosey Wallace, CA From anabil007 at comcast.net Tue Dec 16 16:31:26 2008 From: anabil007 at comcast.net (Bill & AnnaBelle) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:31:26 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Ever ask your child what car they want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have not had to "ask", our Son has made it abundantly clear to us (and his Sister) that Casper will be his ... just as soon as he can pry the Steering Wheel from my cold, dead hands ... -- Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 TS16765L aka Casper AnnaBelle Pugh 1970 TR6 CC59179L aka Rosey Wallace, CA From cm.sherman at verizon.net Tue Dec 16 17:19:38 2008 From: cm.sherman at verizon.net (Corey Sherman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:19:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [6pack] Got vote Message-ID: <1954312871.16255821229473178492.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Sorry to bomb the list, but I thought I would send this small reminder asking those to vote for my Triumph Italia again... like voting in Chicago, Early and often. Really, you ought to vote every day - its the car with the most votes that wins! My apologies for being so persistent, but many individuals didn't realize that you should vote many times - I know its a pain. http://collectiblecars.nytimes.com/Contest/Vote.asp#COL802181 Thanks again, Happy Holidays Corey Sherman cm.sherman at verzion.net From dito9561 at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 16 18:08:55 2008 From: dito9561 at bellsouth.net (Greg Dito) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:08:55 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Triple SU Size References: Message-ID: <000901c95fe4$093c51a0$6101a8c0@phoenix> Listers, Does anyone have some knowledge as to whether it makes sense to use 1-1/2" SUs (HIF38 or HIF4) on a Goodparts triple manifold versus 1-3/4"? The 1-1/2" x 3 has more than enough CFM capacity for the engine but because the throat is smaller I would expect there to be greater negative pressure across the carb jet resulting in a more thorough mix of air and fuel at greater velocity going into the combustion chamber. Is my premise correct or not? Thanks in advance. Greg Dito CD6250L From tr6taylor at webtv.net Tue Dec 16 18:32:08 2008 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:32:08 GMT Subject: [6pack] Triple SU Size Message-ID: Greg---I think your premise is correct on all accounts. Would the carb flanges bolt up to the manifold? Dick -----Original Message----- From: Greg Dito Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:08 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Triple SU Size Listers, Does anyone have some knowledge as to whether it makes sense to use 1-1/2" SUs (HIF38 or HIF4) on a Goodparts triple manifold versus 1-3/4"? The 1-1/2" x 3 has more than enough CFM capacity for the engine but because the throat is smaller I would expect there to be greater negative pressure across the carb jet resulting in a more thorough mix of air and fuel at greater velocity going into the combustion chamber. Is my premise correct or not? Thanks in advance. Greg Dito CD6250L 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From tr6taylor at webtv.net Tue Dec 16 19:51:52 2008 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:51:52 GMT Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Message-ID: Eric---Your math is correct, of course, as is the revolutions per spark event. My curiosity got the better of me so I went out and disconnected all of the plug wires and held one of them to ground. Cranking the engine for 10 seconds, I counted 15 sparks at the plug wire. Looks like my particular engine spins around 180 rpm with the starter motor. I really enjoy these types of discussions! Dick -----Original Message----- From: Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:58 PM To: 'Sally or Dick Taylor', 'Stephen Lindquist', 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Dick, 150 rpm makes 2.5 rps (rotations per second). That is 12.5 rotations per 5 secs. A 4-stroke engine has 1 ignition every 2 rotations per cylinder. That makes approx. 6 flashes during 5 secs of cranking per wire. So, a rule of thumb would be 1 flash/sec, maybe a bit more. Best regards Eric www.brits-n-pieces.com -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sally or Dick Taylor Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:36 AM To: Stephen Lindquist; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Proper starting rpm Steve---If you have a good, steady spark from the coil wire to ground, then things are probably OK from the points to the coil neg. If you can't get spark to the plug wires, then the rotor is suspect. Or something in the cap area. The no-start could be timing related, but you should still be seeing spark from the plug wires. Approx. 12 flashes during five seconds of cranking, per wire. My best guess for crankshaft rpm when using the starter motor would be around 150 rpm. A lot depends on how much drag is from motor parts, compression, oil viscosity and the like. Dick From rpeglow at optonline.net Wed Dec 17 07:24:32 2008 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:24:32 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm, but References: <7dfdd1160812151200l5ea99c78je69a7d610acdfd77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c96053$2e390290$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Hi Steve, The list always has much to offer. I am curious, what happened first, "car won't start"? Was it recently running OK? Regards, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Lindquist" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [6pack] Proper starting rpm > What rpm should the engine crankshaft be turning at when the starter is in > good shape and the battery fully charged? > > I am trying to diagnose a lack spark to my plugs. I get a nice spark off > the coil if I attach a plug wire to the coil output but not all spark plug > wires seem to be firing at 1/6th of the coil spark rate. And since the > engine wont start I am trying to diagnose the problem from starter > rpm/camshaft rpm and the numbers don't seem to make sense. > > 68 TR250 > > Thanks, Steve > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as rpeglow at optonline.net > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11340 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11360 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From dito9561 at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 17 05:30:02 2008 From: dito9561 at bellsouth.net (Greg Dito) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:30:02 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Triple SU Size References: Message-ID: <000d01c96043$3003cac0$6101a8c0@phoenix> AHHH! The $60,000 question! That I will need to investigate unless someone knows already. I was considering using the 1-1/2" thick carb to manifold insulators and putting a chamfer on the ID to lead into the manifold. From photos the carbs appear the same except for the throat diameter. Thanks, Dick. Greg CD6250L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally or Dick Taylor" To: "Greg Dito" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Triple SU Size > Greg---I think your premise is correct on all accounts. Would the carb > flanges bolt up to the manifold? > > Dick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Dito > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:08 PM > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [6pack] Triple SU Size > > Listers, > > Does anyone have some knowledge as to whether it makes sense to use 1-1/2" > SUs (HIF38 or HIF4) on a Goodparts triple manifold versus 1-3/4"? The > 1-1/2" x 3 has more than enough CFM capacity for the engine but because > the > throat is smaller I would expect there to be greater negative pressure > across the carb jet resulting in a more thorough mix of air and fuel at > greater velocity going into the combustion chamber. Is my premise correct > or not? > > Thanks in advance. > > Greg Dito > CD6250L From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 13:20:02 2008 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:20:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] Triple SU Size In-Reply-To: <000d01c96043$3003cac0$6101a8c0@phoenix> Message-ID: <801645.30180.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Greg, Goodparts does offer a triple GT6 manifold which will work with the 1.5" carbs...it's just swept downward to clear the GT6 bonnet, but should work just fine on the TR6/TR250. Not sure about port spacing though. Why don't you ask Richard & see if he'll make somethin' up for you. Cheers, Todd Bermudez '68 TR250 '70 TR6 '68 Triumph 2000 '68 GT6 RHD --- Greg Dito wrote: > AHHH! The $60,000 question! That I will need to > investigate unless someone > knows already. I was considering using the 1-1/2" > thick carb to manifold > insulators and putting a chamfer on the ID to lead > into the manifold. From > photos the carbs appear the same except for the > throat diameter. > > Thanks, Dick. > > Greg > CD6250L > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sally or Dick Taylor" > To: "Greg Dito" ; > <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [6pack] Triple SU Size > > > > Greg---I think your premise is correct on all > accounts. Would the carb > > flanges bolt up to the manifold? > > > > Dick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Dito > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:08 PM > > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > > Subject: [6pack] Triple SU Size > > > > Listers, > > > > Does anyone have some knowledge as to whether it > makes sense to use 1-1/2" > > SUs (HIF38 or HIF4) on a Goodparts triple manifold > versus 1-3/4"? The > > 1-1/2" x 3 has more than enough CFM capacity for > the engine but because > > the > > throat is smaller I would expect there to be > greater negative pressure > > across the carb jet resulting in a more thorough > mix of air and fuel at > > greater velocity going into the combustion > chamber. Is my premise correct > > or not? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Greg Dito > > CD6250L > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as red_tr250 at yahoo.com From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Dec 18 20:38:36 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:38:36 -0600 Subject: [6pack] TR6 on CSI Message-ID: Did anybody else see the TR6 on CSI Las Vegas tonight? Mike Munson Bowling Green, KY. 70 race car 73 street From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Dec 18 21:27:45 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:27:45 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 on CSI Message-ID: <24EF4A84.3DC32F55.00159EE9@cs.com> just barely...i was hoping to see more than a guy acting dead ;-) joe a >Did anybody else see the TR6 on CSI Las Vegas tonight? > > > >Mike Munson > >Bowling Green, KY. > >70 race car > >73 street >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >6pack at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > >http://www.team.net/archive > >You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 08:17:29 2008 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:17:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] TR6 on CSI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <255138.20591.qm@web43138.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mike, Was that the one with the blue smurf in it? Cheers, Todd --- Mike Munson wrote: > Did anybody else see the TR6 on CSI Las Vegas > tonight? > > > > Mike Munson > > Bowling Green, KY. > > 70 race car > > 73 street > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as red_tr250 at yahoo.com From marty.tr6 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 15:59:23 2008 From: marty.tr6 at gmail.com (Marty) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:59:23 -0700 Subject: [6pack] Ever ask your child what car they want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My daughter wants a TR3 as her second car, she assumes her older brother will get the TR6. Marty Clark Gilbert, AZ 1974 TR6 CF17352U http://www.triumphowners.com/798 From patton at suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 20 18:56:22 2008 From: patton at suscom-maine.net (Rick Patton) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:56:22 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Ever ask your child what car they want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494DA246.9020000@suscom-maine.net> Hi Marty, My kids have quite the assortment of cars including three Brit badges. Son and his wife: Daily drivers are a Monte Carlo and an Accord. 68 Spitfire project. Daughter and her husband : 09 Mini Cooper S 2 VW's; an 08 VW GTI and an 87 VW Sirocco with 350 Hp at the front wheels - very scary ride! 67 GT6 at the body shop for over two years being painted Isadora, the 69 Caddy hearse, 500 cubic inch engine with a 16 gallon gas tank, curtains. Also a scary ride but for different reasons. Merry Christmas, Rick Patton Brunswick Maine 75 TR6sci 74 TVR 2500M http://pattonmachine.com/ Marty wrote: > My daughter wants a TR3 as her second car, she assumes her older brother > will get the TR6. > > Marty Clark From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Dec 22 16:45:49 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:45:49 -0000 Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all Message-ID: Over the ten + years I've been reading the daily missives from these lists, I've never known it so late before the usual Christmas Greetings have started going out. Maybe list janitors have put a block on them and surely I can't be the first? So, if they haven't filtered Seasons Greeting notes to the trash-can, a very Happy Christmas to you and your families - and I greatly look forward to being able to put many faces to names as I complete my Canada and U.S. odyssey next year. Being now completely Triumph-less, I'm also looking forward to reading (in a few days time) of how many 'best beloveds' have invested in bottom end gasket sets, reliable flasher units, non-squeaking clutch release bearings, 6-3-1 exhaust manifolds - and other 'essentialatum' for you all. Therefore, "Happy Christmas" and remember, whatever you do over the holiday that you enjoy, it's probably a sin :) Jonmac Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation From rmcbride at mi.rr.com Mon Dec 22 16:57:34 2008 From: rmcbride at mi.rr.com (Robert McBride) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:57:34 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all References: Message-ID: Thank you and the same back at you and yours...... I think like most guys I don't get in the Christmas mood till panic sets in about 4:30pm on Christmas eve... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: ; ; "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all Over the ten + years I've been reading the daily missives from these lists, I've never known it so late before the usual Christmas Greetings have started going out. Maybe list janitors have put a block on them and surely I can't be the first? So, if they haven't filtered Seasons Greeting notes to the trash-can, a very Happy Christmas to you and your families - and I greatly look forward to being able to put many faces to names as I complete my Canada and U.S. odyssey next year. Being now completely Triumph-less, I'm also looking forward to reading (in a few days time) of how many 'best beloveds' have invested in bottom end gasket sets, reliable flasher units, non-squeaking clutch release bearings, 6-3-1 exhaust manifolds - and other 'essentialatum' for you all. Therefore, "Happy Christmas" and remember, whatever you do over the holiday that you enjoy, it's probably a sin :) Jonmac Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as rmcbride at mi.rr.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 12/21/2008 3:08 PM From DLylis at aol.com Mon Dec 22 17:27:07 2008 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:27:07 EST Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all Message-ID: . . . and on earth peace, good will toward men. A News Years resolution for everyone. Happy Holidays. David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019) From trsix74 at comcast.net Mon Dec 22 18:01:50 2008 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:01:50 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A Christmas Story for all to enjoy...... Twas the night before Christmas and Cynthia lay sleeping in her bed. A stir woke her up only to find the Jolly Old Fellow standing there covered in soot from the chimney (or the backfire of a untuned TR6). "Oh my, who goes there?" she questions. Santa answers "Ho Ho Ho, I'm Santa you know, got to give the children their gifts you know!" "Oh Santa" she whispers, "stay a while , I'll really make it worth your while!" "No No No, I'm Santa you know, got to give the children their gifts you know!" As she stands up and drops the night gown to the floor "Really Santa, come on stay a while, I'll really make it worth your while!" Santa replies as he feasts his eyes on Cynthia "Hey Hey Hey, got to stay, can't get up the chimney this way!!!!" Wishing you all a Very Merry Christmas, all the best for 2009 and may your wife know the Hotline for Moss Motors, Vicky Brits and TRF!!!!! From forzion at maine.rr.com Mon Dec 22 19:31:41 2008 From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:31:41 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49504D8D.90602@maine.rr.com> Right.... There's really only One Reason to celebrate this season and Santa isn't it! Dave DLylis at aol.com wrote: >. . . and on earth peace, good will toward men. A News Years resolution >for everyone. Happy Holidays. > > >David Lylis >69 TR6 CC26160L >60 TR3A TS74461LO >**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, >Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW >AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019) >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >6pack at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > >http://www.team.net/archive > >You are subscribed as forzion at maine.rr.com From im_sloane at hotmail.com Tue Dec 23 07:07:37 2008 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:07:37 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The internet brings all us Triumph guys together in a virtual community, so imagine if you will that we all live on the same street, sharing the same love of our LBCs. As you drive past my house you notice the white TR6 pulling up the drive way with the Christmas tree sticking out of the trunk. No other holiday decorations are evident until you notice the Triumph Wreath on the front door. What does your yard look like? Merry Christmas to all! Sloane :) 1969 Triumph Way. British Leylandville, USA> From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com> To: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:45:49 +0000> Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all> _________________________________________________________________ Its the same Hotmail.. If by same you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12 2008 From stan.foster at hp.com Tue Dec 23 07:25:08 2008 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:25:08 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF727FCB6E2F32@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Merry Xmas John, half of the US is still distracted with ice, snow and single digit temps. Many people here in the north east still without power almost two weeks after an ice storm that left MA and our neighboring states looking like we had been hit by a tornado. Hard to believe that the weight of that much ice on the wires would cause a utility pole to snap !. The ice storm was followed by two feet of snow. If the treated roads dry up I'll take the TR6 out today however it is currently only 3 degrees F so I hope it warms up a bit. I usually use the xmas hols to start the TR6 winter projects. Last year was the big one with the engine rebuild and this year it will be front end rebuild (suspension and brakes) and take care of some rust on the rear valence as well as the continuing frame cleanup. Santa is working on a video camera that I plan to use to mess with some TR related video streaming and video recording (eg time-lapse video of interesting trips). However Santa is currently confused about what to deliver due to the different formats and camera features. If anyone has a flash video camera (ie not DV tape) with firewire connection to a Windows system and can stream video with it I would be interested in hearing what camera you have. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:46 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] Greetings one and all Over the ten + years I've been reading the daily missives from these lists, I've never known it so late before the usual Christmas Greetings have started going out. Maybe list janitors have put a block on them and surely I can't be the first? So, if they haven't filtered Seasons Greeting notes to the trash-can, a very Happy Christmas to you and your families - and I greatly look forward to being able to put many faces to names as I complete my Canada and U.S. odyssey next year. Being now completely Triumph-less, I'm also looking forward to reading (in a few days time) of how many 'best beloveds' have invested in bottom end gasket sets, reliable flasher units, non-squeaking clutch release bearings, 6-3-1 exhaust manifolds - and other 'essentialatum' for you all. Therefore, "Happy Christmas" and remember, whatever you do over the holiday that you enjoy, it's probably a sin :) Jonmac Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation From sbeaulieu at caci.com Tue Dec 23 14:03:40 2008 From: sbeaulieu at caci.com (Stephen Beaulieu) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:03:40 -0500 Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 12/23/2008 and will not return until 12/29/2008. I will respond to your message when I return. From yellowtr at adelphia.net Wed Dec 24 07:14:51 2008 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:14:51 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Greetings Message-ID: <200812240914.51869.yellowtr@adelphia.net> To all on both lists a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah and the best of the New Year. I would like to thank all the members of both lists that have helped along the way. I cant think of a finer bunch of guys and gals, who through these lists and the love of their Triumphs, have become such close friends. I hope the New Year brings us closer together and some day I hope to meet some of you in person for a change. It is early, but I am trying to work towards a first visit to TRF's summer party this year. Again the best of wishes for the Holidays. Bob Labuz 1958 TR3A (pale yellow) 1963 TR4 (spa white) 1972 TR6 Project (currently brown but will be French Blue eventhough not a valid color for the 72 year) but should look nice next to the 3 and 4. From ambritts at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 24 07:27:26 2008 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:27:26 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Holiday Greetings Message-ID: <023601c965d3$bf6fcd90$6401a8c0@STATION6> Hello all In keeping with the spirit of the season and reflecting over the past year with all the ups and downs, I now find my self appreciating those things that always seem to survive the test of time and these times were most testing. That most tested joy being the closeness of friends and those who we share the little pleasures in life with. For all of you who are experiencing the storms of the past week in the north, I wish you safe travels, warmth and comfort and for the many of us who once knew what snow was really like, (Florida Natives) coupled with the cold, gloves, scarves, hats, long Johns and Jeans and anything else stuffed underneath, please enjoy and have a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah and a Healthy & Prosperous New Year. Alex Manzo From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Wed Dec 24 16:00:10 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:00:10 -0500 Subject: [6pack] [TR] magazine cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <945171F671C74E33A5D499C26A3C8E00@BOBSNEWPC> OMG..............they told me that they had a pleasant surprise but I had no idea that we'd be on the cover! What a nice Christmas present.......and I haven't gotten my issue yet. Thanks for letting me know. Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ElangTR4 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:14 PM To: Triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] magazine cover I just received the February issue of "Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car" in the mail yesterday. There's a good looking yellow TR6 on the cover being driven by a guy familiar to the list. That's a nice car Bob Danielson! There's also an article comparing a Sprite, Mini, Midget, and a Spitfire owned by Brian Nickerson. Is Brian on the list? This is a publication that should be of interest to most everyone on the list as there is always some LBC content, and the cars that are featured are cars we can relate to. Members of the editorial staff own Triumphs including a TR3, a GT6, and a couple of Spitfires. There is also a monthly columnist by the name of Mike Cook who can tell a good story. A magazine worth checking out. Happy Holidays! Eric Langreder 71 TR6 From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 12:26:12 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:26:12 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Rebuilt TR4A IRS Hubs Message-ID: <8cbd782d0812251126m10fe91efqc66b2d038601a6fe@mail.gmail.com> I believe the TR4 IRS hub is the same as a TR6. In that case anyone wanting new or rebuilt hubs owes it to themselves and their cars to considerr what Richard Good is now offering: http://goodparts.com/shop/index.php?productID=347. $379 each and a design that will not break and can be maintained. I have written an article for 6-Pack and done lots of work fabricating Nissan 280 Z axels for my TR6 race car. Richard now offers a hub and CV joint unit for about the same price as my cost for making the Nissan ones. Were I to do it over again I sure wouldjust order his parts. -- Chuck Arnold From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Dec 25 15:18:51 2008 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:18:51 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Rebuilt TR4A IRS Hubs References: <8cbd782d0812251126m10fe91efqc66b2d038601a6fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33C8FD4DED9B4D288B2619FCD2D7D41A@acer6e40e97492> Chuck, I've got his new CVJs sitting in my basement and will be putting them on my 6 after the first of the year. I'll let ya'all know how it goes! Bob Danielson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "TR list" Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Rebuilt TR4A IRS Hubs >I believe the TR4 IRS hub is the same as a TR6. In that case anyone >wanting > new or rebuilt hubs owes it to themselves and their cars to considerr what > Richard Good is now offering: > > http://goodparts.com/shop/index.php?productID=347. $379 each and a design > that will not break and can be maintained. > > I have written an article for 6-Pack and done lots of work fabricating > Nissan 280 Z axels for my TR6 race car. Richard now offers a hub and CV > joint unit for about the same price as my cost for making the Nissan ones. > Were I to do it over again I sure wouldjust order his parts. > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From rpeglow at optonline.net Fri Dec 26 14:18:27 2008 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:18:27 -0800 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Clutch Master cylinder (.70 vs .75) References: <195168.21319.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c9679f$7e75cc40$c0ea7b45@gpcorporate.com> Hello List, I have read (somewhere?) that the earlier master cylinders (,75) vs. later (.70) provide greater throw or ease of operation. Is this true and a viable reason to use a .75 in a 1970? I'd like to give my left knee all the consideration possible. :~) Thank you. Regards, Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11420 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From tr6taylor at webtv.net Fri Dec 26 14:59:13 2008 From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:59:13 GMT Subject: [6pack] TR6 Clutch Master cylinder (.70 vs .75) Message-ID: Bob---It is true that the early six had a larger bore in the clutch MC, thus giving a longer stroke to the slave cylinder. If you trade your early MC for the later one, it should make the clutch pedal easier to depress. Know that the linkage in your pedal box must be without much play, or otherwise it's possible that you won't get complete clutch disengagement. (Also, the tube fitting out of the early CMC may be different than the later one) If your clutch pedal seems especially hard to depress, like at the last half inch of travel, there could be another reason for this, such as a broken fork pin. If it is necessary for you to now push your pedal clear to the floor, you may have to fix a couple of things before going to the smaller bored CMC. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bob Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:18 PM To: 6pack List Subject: [6pack] TR6 Clutch Master cylinder (.70 vs .75) Hello List, I have read (somewhere?) that the earlier master cylinders (,75) vs. later (.70) provide greater throw or ease of operation. Is this true and a viable reason to use a .75 in a 1970? I'd like to give my left knee all the consideration possible. :~) Thank you. Regards, Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11420 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tr6taylor at webtv.net From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 15:55:27 2008 From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER Message-ID: <952367.95799.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't know how the length of the throw on a .75 (early) clutch MC compares with the later.70 diameter clutch. I do know from experience that the early .75 clutch requires more pressure than the later .70 clutch so I think you have the story reversed. The later model is easier on your leg than the early model. Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR6 with .70 late model clutch. <>> From tr6 at pobox.com Fri Dec 26 18:24:35 2008 From: tr6 at pobox.com (Mark Steph) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:24:35 -0600 Subject: [6pack] CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER In-Reply-To: <952367.95799.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <952367.95799.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495583D3.8020307@pobox.com> There is another factor here: There were 2 different clutch systems supplied. I cannot for the life of me remember which years had what, but there were both Laycock and Borg & Beck clutches fitted to the TR6. I remember that at some time in the past, I switched from one of them to the other -- and the muscle required decreased by about half. Now, being as I did this about 1985... and that same clutch is still in there, I cannot for the life of me remember what I switched from and to. michael lunsford wrote: > I don't know how the length of the throw on a .75 (early) clutch MC compares > with the later.70 diameter clutch. I do know from experience that the early > .75 clutch requires more pressure than the later .70 clutch so I think you > have the story reversed. The later model is easier on your leg than the early > model. > > Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR6 with .70 late model clutch. > -- http://SporkInTheEye.blogspot.com -- So much poison in power The principles get left out So much mind on the matter The spirit gets forgotten about Like a righteous inspiration Overlooked in haste Like a teardrop in the ocean A diamond in the waste Some world views are spacious-- And some are merely spaced Neil Peart, "Grand Designs", Power Windows (1985) From jimmble at roadrunner.com Fri Dec 26 19:00:37 2008 From: jimmble at roadrunner.com (Jim Franks) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:00:37 -0500 Subject: [6pack] CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER In-Reply-To: <495583D3.8020307@pobox.com> References: <952367.95799.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <495583D3.8020307@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49558C45.5030407@roadrunner.com> Mark, the Laycock was the easier one to push. The threads on both masters are the same. The fitting likes to mushroom after the first installation, making it a bugger to re-install. Jim Franks Mark Steph wrote: > There is another factor here: There were 2 different clutch systems > supplied. I cannot for the life of me remember which years had what, > but there were both Laycock and Borg & Beck clutches fitted to the TR6. > I remember that at some time in the past, I switched from one of them > to the other -- and the muscle required decreased by about half. > > Now, being as I did this about 1985... and that same clutch is still in > there, I cannot for the life of me remember what I switched from and to. > > michael lunsford wrote: > >> I don't know how the length of the throw on a .75 (early) clutch MC compares >> with the later.70 diameter clutch. I do know from experience that the early >> .75 clutch requires more pressure than the later .70 clutch so I think you >> have the story reversed. The later model is easier on your leg than the early >> model. >> >> Mike Lunsford, 1970 TR6 with .70 late model clutch. From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sat Dec 27 06:32:06 2008 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 08:32:06 -0500 Subject: [6pack] [TR] Latest issue of Sports & Exotic magazine References: <8cbd782d0812251126m10fe91efqc66b2d038601a6fe@mail.gmail.com><33C8FD4DED9B4D288B2619FCD2D7D41A@acer6e40e97492> <6.0.3.0.1.20081226225326.0384ce18@pop.napanet.net> Message-ID: <375C5A2BA1534AB392F1414C3A5F585E@acer6e40e97492> Don, While I haven't received my copy as yet, I'm quite familiar with the yellow TR6 in the upgrade article ;-) Hopefully when I get home from the Xmas visit with the grandkids, the issue will be waiting for me and I can fill everyone in on how this came about and the photo shoot........which was a blast to do. Bob Danielson 1975 Mimosa TR6 Running with TBI, Toyota 5 speed & Nissan Differential ----- Original Message ----- From: "don" To: Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:14 AM Subject: [TR] Latest issue of Sports & Exotic magazine > >Hello TR list! > > I just received the latest (Feb 2009) issue of Sports & Exotic magazine. > This issue seems to have about 50% of its articles devoted to Triumph. If > you are into Triumphs, this is a must read. The cover story is on the > updating of a TR6; another story inside is on the updating/rstoration of a > TR8 coupe; and the other TR related article is of a review/comparison of > Spitfire, Sprite, Mini, and Midget. > > They really do a good job on this magazine. It is descended from the old > Hemmings Special Interest Autos which split into this magazine for > imported cars and Hemmings Classic Car for old American cars. I spend > about ten minutes looking at the new issues of Road & Track when they > arrive. I have subscribed to R&T since I was a kid, and have 'em back to > the late '40s. However, the current incarnation is boring. When the > Hemmings magazines arrive, I must spend hours reading them. > > Don Scott > Calistoga CA > '91 Miata BRG > 1962 MGA Mk II > 1992 Integra GSR > 1962 TR4 (don't have yet) > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1863 - Release > Date: 12/24/2008 11:49 AM > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > http://www.team.net/archive From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sat Dec 27 10:16:06 2008 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:16:06 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 in GRM Dec Issue Message-ID: <3465EA0F6397419BA0680889EEC2D80F@acer6e40e97492> There's a pretty good article in the Dec issue of Grass Roots Motorsports on the 12 steps they follow for the 1st start of a rebuilt engine. The car shown is a late BRG TR6 with green hoses and triple carbs. Does it belong to anyone on the List? Bob Bob Danielson 1975 Mimosa TR6 Running with TBI, Toyota 5 speed & Nissan differential From slbridge at hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 11:10:56 2008 From: slbridge at hotmail.com (steve bridge) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:10:56 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Chemistry Question non LBC Message-ID: Are there any alternatives to Methanol as a reagent? I am hoping to find one that is either edible or organic. _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122 008 From alanatkinson at hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 11:56:32 2008 From: alanatkinson at hotmail.com (Alan Atkinson) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:56:32 -0500 Subject: [6pack] FW: Chemistry Question non LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You don't get much more organic than a short chain alcohol. It's just a wee bit nasty if you drink it... I'm guessing you mean a reagent for biodiesel production. If that's the case and iirc, you can substitute ethanol. Which is both quite edible and organic... > From: slbridge at hotmail.com> To: 6pack at autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:10:56 +0000> Subject: [6pack] Chemistry Question non LBC> > Are there any alternatives to Methanol as a reagent? I am hoping to find one> that is either edible or organic.> > _________________________________________________________________> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.> http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122> 008> _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > 6pack at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack> > http://www.team.net/archive> > You are subscribed as alanatkinson at hotmail.com Its the same Hotmail.. If by same you mean up to 70% faster. Get your account now. _________________________________________________________________ Its the same Hotmail.. If by same you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12 2008 From mbullard at hawaii.rr.com Sat Dec 27 12:25:41 2008 From: mbullard at hawaii.rr.com (mbullard at hawaii.rr.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:25:41 +0000 Subject: [6pack] TR6 in GRM Dec Issue In-Reply-To: <3465EA0F6397419BA0680889EEC2D80F@acer6e40e97492> Message-ID: <20081227192541.UJ2SG.380463.root@hrndva-web08-z02> Aloha, Mele Kalikimaka & Hau'oli Makahiki Hou Bob: Can you tell me what month that is, I want to buy it but the descriptions on the web site don't mention it. Thanks, Mark ---- Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > There's a pretty good article in the Dec issue of Grass Roots Motorsports on > the 12 steps they follow for the 1st start of a rebuilt engine. The car shown > is a late BRG TR6 with green hoses and triple carbs. Does it belong to anyone > on the List? > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > 1975 Mimosa TR6 > Running with TBI, Toyota 5 speed & > Nissan differential From DLylis at aol.com Sat Dec 27 14:20:03 2008 From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:20:03 EST Subject: [6pack] TR6 in GRM Dec Issue Message-ID: In a message dated 12/27/2008 2:26:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mbullard at hawaii.rr.com writes: Aloha, Mele Kalikimaka & Hau'oli Makahiki Hou Bob: Does that mean its your car? David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) From tpdwinch at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 14:25:09 2008 From: tpdwinch at yahoo.com (Dale) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:25:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6pack] TR6 in GRM Dec Issue References: Message-ID: <756008.59080.qm@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> December 2008 issue. Dale ________________________________ From: "DLylis at aol.com" To: mbullard at hawaii.rr.com; 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org; 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 4:20:03 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 in GRM Dec Issue In a message dated 12/27/2008 2:26:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mbullard at hawaii.rr.com writes: Aloha, Mele Kalikimaka & Hau'oli Makahiki Hou Bob: Does that mean its your car? David Lylis 69 TR6 CC26160L 60 TR3A TS74461LO **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as tpdwinch at yahoo.com From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sun Dec 28 10:35:48 2008 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:35:48 -0500 Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs Message-ID: <200812281235.48981.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Hi, Well I got to the last bolt on the car to remove and the stud snapped. Close but no cigar. The stud that snapped was one of the rear diff mount studs. The one on the drivers side. Looks like this stud is mounted through the rear part of the frame and welded on. It appears that Moss supplies the part (320-365) and maybe TRF with part # 147671? Is it possible for me to drill out the old stud and install a new one? I see it is welded on the top, but what about the interior of the frame area? Has anyone attempted this fix? Its always something! Bob From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sun Dec 28 13:41:25 2008 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:41:25 -0500 Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs In-Reply-To: <732499.17129.qm@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200812281235.48981.yellowtr@adelphia.net> <732499.17129.qm@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200812281541.25991.yellowtr@adelphia.net> On Sunday 28 December 2008 14:01:01 Dale wrote: > Bob > > Had do do this with the front one on mine, yes you can drill it out and > then tack the new one place. You may have to put the diff back in to get > everything square. > > Dale > > > Dale, I guess since the differential is out it would be easier to make a wooden jig simulating the 4 differential mount points. Easier than lifting the diff. Glad to know that I am not the first to tackle this problem. Thanks for your advice. Bob From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sun Dec 28 15:20:57 2008 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:20:57 -0500 Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs References: <200812281235.48981.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <883A58D0914F4936B30A25302975A613@acer6e40e97492> Bob, Here's how my front diff mount looks (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/DiffMounts.htm) As you can see, it's been drilled out and I now use a bolt on that side. Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 Running with TBI, Toyota 5 speed & Nissan differential ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:35 PM Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs > Hi, > > Well I got to the last bolt on the car to remove and the stud snapped. > > Close but no cigar. > > The stud that snapped was one of the rear diff mount studs. The one on the > drivers side. > > Looks like this stud is mounted through the rear part of the frame and > welded > on. > > It appears that Moss supplies the part (320-365) and maybe TRF with part # > 147671? > > Is it possible for me to drill out the old stud and install a new one? > > I see it is welded on the top, but what about the interior of the frame > area? > > Has anyone attempted this fix? > > Its always something! > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sun Dec 28 16:06:23 2008 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:06:23 -0500 Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs In-Reply-To: <883A58D0914F4936B30A25302975A613@acer6e40e97492> References: <200812281235.48981.yellowtr@adelphia.net> <883A58D0914F4936B30A25302975A613@acer6e40e97492> Message-ID: <200812281806.23469.yellowtr@adelphia.net> On Sunday 28 December 2008 17:20:57 Bob Danielson wrote: > Bob, > Here's how my front diff mount looks > (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/DiffMounts.htm) As you can see, it's been > drilled out and I now use a bolt on that side. > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > 1975 TR6 > Running with TBI, Toyota 5 speed & > Nissan differential Bob, The stud that broke was the drivers side but a rear stud not a front. Do you think it is a good idea to drill out the broken stud, thread and use a bolt, or just replace the entire stud? You seem to have the most info on rear differential mounts. Bob From Timbo00001 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 16:18:51 2008 From: Timbo00001 at aol.com (Timbo00001 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:18:51 EST Subject: [6pack] TR 6 Fan/Clock for sale Message-ID: Please let me know if I'm out of line here and I'll leave with humble apologies. The item: The story: When my TR6 was delivered with the obligatory extra (seized) engine and trans, the guy dropped it and broke a couple fins off the fan, making me so very happy. Because it couldn't be used in its proper purpose, I make a clock out of it. It's nothing great, but for those of us who know what it is, it's kind of cool. The Triumph is long gone, but the fan remains and I'm now purging my garage, so it's for sale to anyone who'd like to make a reasonable offer before it goes to ebay. Thanks for your time and this forum. If it's improper, please accept my apologies, if not, please contact me with offers. Tim (_timbo00001 at aol.com_ (mailto:timbo00001 at aol.com) ) Formerly - '72 Damson TR6. From Timbo00001 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 16:28:15 2008 From: Timbo00001 at aol.com (Timbo00001 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:28:15 EST Subject: [6pack] Fwd: TR 6 Fan/Clock for sale Message-ID: The picture did not seem to be sent the first time. ____________________________________ From: Timbo00001 at aol.com Subj: [6pack] TR 6 Fan/Clock for sale Please let me know if I'm out of line here and I'll leave with humble apologies. The item: The story: When my TR6 was delivered with the obligatory extra (seized) engine and trans, the guy dropped it and broke a couple fins off the fan, making me so very happy. Because it couldn't be used in its proper purpose, I make a clock out of it. It's nothing great, but for those of us who know what it is, it's kind of cool. The Triumph is long gone, but the fan remains and I'm now purging my garage, so it's for sale to anyone who'd like to make a reasonable offer before it goes to ebay. Thanks for your time and this forum. If it's improper, please accept my apologies, if not, please contact me with offers. Tim (_timbo00001 at aol.com_ (mailto:timbo00001 at aol.com) ) Formerly - '72 Damson TR6. 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as timbo00001 at aol.com From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sun Dec 28 16:47:59 2008 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:47:59 -0500 Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs References: <200812281235.48981.yellowtr@adelphia.net><883A58D0914F4936B30A25302975A613@acer6e40e97492> <200812281806.23469.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <34B3393DB91349169EF76B416406A019@acer6e40e97492> Mine's been that way for at least 12 years with no problems. As long as the pin is solid and there's no other cracks, it's worth a shot. I've got about 1-1/2" of thread in there. You should also box in both the front and rear mounts while you're in there. Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 Running with TBI, Toyota 5 speed & Nissan differential ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "Bob Danielson" <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] diff mounting studs > On Sunday 28 December 2008 17:20:57 Bob Danielson wrote: >> Bob, >> Here's how my front diff mount looks >> (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/DiffMounts.htm) As you can see, it's been >> drilled out and I now use a bolt on that side. >> >> Bob >> >> Bob Danielson >> 1975 TR6 >> Running with TBI, Toyota 5 speed & >> Nissan differential > Bob, > > The stud that broke was the drivers side but a rear stud not a front. > > Do you think it is a good idea to drill out the broken stud, thread and > use a > bolt, or just replace the entire stud? > > You seem to have the most info on rear differential mounts. > > Bob From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 16:58:14 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0500 Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs In-Reply-To: <200812281235.48981.yellowtr@adelphia.net> References: <200812281235.48981.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Yes, I did this exact thing. I made up a set of bushings to that go over the post to use a guides for the drill and tap to ensure that everything goes on center. Your welcome to borrow them for the price of mailing them if you return them. I will have to find them though:). On the welding question, I just looked at two frames and see no evidence of weld were the mounting stud projects through the bracket on the underside of the frame. It almost appears the only attachment of the stud it self is where it projects through the large frame member going cross car under the parcel shelf where it is welded in place. It sure seams as though it would be welded to the brackets underneath though. Whats the popular opinion on this? Thanks, Marty > From: yellowtr at adelphia.net > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:35:48 -0500 > Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs > > Hi, > > Well I got to the last bolt on the car to remove and the stud snapped. > > Close but no cigar. > > The stud that snapped was one of the rear diff mount studs. The one on the > drivers side. > > Looks like this stud is mounted through the rear part of the frame and welded > on. > > It appears that Moss supplies the part (320-365) and maybe TRF with part # > 147671? > > Is it possible for me to drill out the old stud and install a new one? > > I see it is welded on the top, but what about the interior of the frame area? > > Has anyone attempted this fix? > > Its always something! > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ From stan.foster at hp.com Sun Dec 28 17:26:48 2008 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:48 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Fwd: TR 6 Fan/Clock for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF727FCB6E2FDA@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net> Tim, the autox mailer has many restrictions like plain text only, no attachments, limited message size etc. Upload the image to a photo publishing site like photobucket and then email the link. Stan -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Timbo00001 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:28 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Fwd: TR 6 Fan/Clock for sale The picture did not seem to be sent the first time. From trguy at cfl.rr.com Sun Dec 28 18:15:17 2008 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:15:17 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question Message-ID: <7B461B9E40374F6AB7AA27530B2157C1@TRGUY> Happy Holidays Listers!!!! Spent an enjoyable Christmas break in NC visiting family and working on my sister in laws new 72 MGB project car with my brother and nephew. Lots of fun pulling the front suspension off for a rebuild. Now on to my 75 TR6 current project. Looking to rebuild a set of 70-72 bucket seats to put in my 75. The differences in prices for a seat kit and foam kit vary widely between Prestige, The Roadster Factory, Moss and Victoria British. I prefer to give TRF business, but they are the highest by far, even with the current discount. Any recommendations on quality differences between these suppliers? Many thanks in advance! Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL (80 and sunny - sorry) 75 TR6 CF35914U From acekraut11 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 19:19:35 2008 From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:19:35 -0500 Subject: [6pack] diff mounting studs In-Reply-To: <200812281806.23469.yellowtr@adelphia.net> References: <200812281235.48981.yellowtr@adelphia.net><883A58D0914F4936B30A25302975A613@acer6e40e97492> <200812281806.23469.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <8CB377306F3B60B-158C-10FB@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com> Bob, You can see my solution at triumphowners.com/108.? Scroll down until you come across the picture links that shows the differential mount.? My car was the same as what Marty describes, welded at the top but not where the pin went through the bracket.? Check out the web page and let me know if you have any questions or would like any clarification. Aaron Aaron Cropley 71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!) http://www.triumphowners.com/108 2002 Mini Cooper S Topsham, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Bob To: Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] diff mounting studs On Sunday 28 December 2008 17:20:57 Bob Danielson wrote: > Bob, > Here's how my front diff mount looks > (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/DiffMounts.htm) As you can see, it's been > drilled out and I now use a bolt on that side. > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > 1975 TR6 > Running with TBI, Toyota 5 speed & > Nissan differential Bob, The stud that broke was the drivers side but a rear stud not a front. Do you think it is a good idea to drill out the broken stud, thread and use a bolt, or just replace the entire stud? You seem to have the most info on rear differential mounts. Bob From im_sloane at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 19:47:48 2008 From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:47:48 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question In-Reply-To: <7B461B9E40374F6AB7AA27530B2157C1@TRGUY> References: <7B461B9E40374F6AB7AA27530B2157C1@TRGUY> Message-ID: Jim, No first hand experience, but a buddy was rebuilding his Spitfire seats. He assumed foam was foam and went with the cheaper VB kit. When he started tearing his seats down and saw what the original foam was suppose to be like, he was disappointed with his decision. It was too much money to go back and change, but he could see from the pictures that the TRF kits were exact as original . He had to do much cuting, shaving, and shaping to get them looking right. He was not buying seat cover kits, just the new foam. Hope that helps in your decision. Sloane :)69-Six, which by the way has 70-72 seats. > Now on to my 75 TR6 current project. Looking to rebuild a set of 70-72 bucket> seats to put in my 75. The differences in prices for a seat kit and foam kit> vary widely between Prestige, The Roadster Factory, Moss and Victoria British.> I prefer to give TRF business, but they are the highest by far, even with the> current discount. Any recommendations on quality differences between these> suppliers?> > Many thanks in advance!> Jim Henningsen _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ From trguy at cfl.rr.com Sun Dec 28 19:51:22 2008 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:51:22 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question In-Reply-To: References: <7B461B9E40374F6AB7AA27530B2157C1@TRGUY> Message-ID: <1FDF7B5193F54F4D8B5F3ACA89FEF752@TRGUY> Sloane: Thanks for the feedback! Jim Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: im sloane To: trguy at cfl.rr.com ; 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: RE: [6pack] Seat Kits Question Jim, No first hand experience, but a buddy was rebuilding his Spitfire seats. He assumed foam was foam and went with the cheaper VB kit. When he started tearing his seats down and saw what the original foam was suppose to be like, he was disappointed with his decision. It was too much money to go back and change, but he could see from the pictures that the TRF kits were exact as original . He had to do much cuting, shaving, and shaping to get them looking right. He was not buying seat cover kits, just the new foam. Hope that helps in your decision. Sloane :) 69-Six, which by the way has 70-72 seats. > Now on to my 75 TR6 current project. Looking to rebuild a set of 70-72 bucket > seats to put in my 75. The differences in prices for a seat kit and foam kit > vary widely between Prestige, The Roadster Factory, Moss and Victoria British. > I prefer to give TRF business, but they are the highest by far, even with the > current discount. Any recommendations on quality differences between these > suppliers? > > Many thanks in advance! > Jim Henningsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista.. See how From trguy at cfl.rr.com Sun Dec 28 19:58:38 2008 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:58:38 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question In-Reply-To: <000901c96959$221706b0$e91f10ac@Ranteer.local> References: <7B461B9E40374F6AB7AA27530B2157C1@TRGUY> <000901c96959$221706b0$e91f10ac@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: <0F5CFEC853FC4B1ABC3AA86D3DDD3F90@TRGUY> Oliver: Thanks for the link. Jim Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver To: James Henningsen Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Seat Kits Question there's a slide show on the redrivertriumphclub.org web site if you are interested. http://www.redrivertriumphclub.org/tech.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: James Henningsen To: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question Happy Holidays Listers!!!! Spent an enjoyable Christmas break in NC visiting family and working on my sister in laws new 72 MGB project car with my brother and nephew. Lots of fun pulling the front suspension off for a rebuild. Now on to my 75 TR6 current project. Looking to rebuild a set of 70-72 bucket seats to put in my 75. The differences in prices for a seat kit and foam kit vary widely between Prestige, The Roadster Factory, Moss and Victoria British. I prefer to give TRF business, but they are the highest by far, even with the current discount. Any recommendations on quality differences between these suppliers? Many thanks in advance! Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL (80 and sunny - sorry) 75 TR6 CF35914U _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as sumton at sbcglobal.net From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Mon Dec 29 14:14:21 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:14:21 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question In-Reply-To: <7B461B9E40374F6AB7AA27530B2157C1@TRGUY> References: <7B461B9E40374F6AB7AA27530B2157C1@TRGUY> Message-ID: <4C91010B270246EDA0125D094F452B5E@BOBSNEWPC> Jim, It was about 11 years ago that I did my seats with the VB kit and everything, including the foam has held up really well. However, if I were doing it today I'd give serious consideration to Prestige. I have their mohair top and the quality is excellent so I'd expect the same from their seats. BTW.....when it comes time to do your seats here's a step by step pictorial on how to do it. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/Restoration_VB_Guide.htm Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:15 PM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question Happy Holidays Listers!!!! Spent an enjoyable Christmas break in NC visiting family and working on my sister in laws new 72 MGB project car with my brother and nephew. Lots of fun pulling the front suspension off for a rebuild. Now on to my 75 TR6 current project. Looking to rebuild a set of 70-72 bucket seats to put in my 75. The differences in prices for a seat kit and foam kit vary widely between Prestige, The Roadster Factory, Moss and Victoria British. I prefer to give TRF business, but they are the highest by far, even with the current discount. Any recommendations on quality differences between these suppliers? Many thanks in advance! Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL (80 and sunny - sorry) 75 TR6 CF35914U 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From janah at att.net Mon Dec 29 16:54:29 2008 From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:54:29 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR6 Green/ Ambla Gray Message-ID: <9C137EC9D4444A58A7AF4904B9CF1313@p4home> Hi All- Who has the TR6 that is TRG with an ambla gray interior? Regards, John Cyg CC52927LO Damson / New Tan From trguy at cfl.rr.com Mon Dec 29 18:24:07 2008 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:24:07 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question In-Reply-To: <4C91010B270246EDA0125D094F452B5E@BOBSNEWPC> References: <7B461B9E40374F6AB7AA27530B2157C1@TRGUY> <4C91010B270246EDA0125D094F452B5E@BOBSNEWPC> Message-ID: Bob: Thanks for the input and link! I have been leaning towards Prestige and they are a bit less expensive even with TRF sale prices. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "'James Henningsen'" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [6pack] Seat Kits Question > Jim, > It was about 11 years ago that I did my seats with the VB kit and > everything, including the foam has held up really well. However, if I were > doing it today I'd give serious consideration to Prestige. I have their > mohair top and the quality is excellent so I'd expect the same from their > seats. > > BTW.....when it comes time to do your seats here's a step by step > pictorial > on how to do it. > > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/Restoration_VB_Guide.htm > > > Bob Danielson > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of James Henningsen > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:15 PM > To: 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question > > Happy Holidays Listers!!!! > > Spent an enjoyable Christmas break in NC visiting family and working on my > sister in laws new 72 MGB project car with my brother and nephew. Lots of > fun pulling the front suspension off for a rebuild. > > Now on to my 75 TR6 current project. Looking to rebuild a set of 70-72 > bucket seats to put in my 75. The differences in prices for a seat kit > and > foam kit vary widely between Prestige, The Roadster Factory, Moss and > Victoria British. > I prefer to give TRF business, but they are the highest by far, even with > the > current discount. Any recommendations on quality differences between > these > suppliers? > > Many thanks in advance! > Jim Henningsen > Maitland, FL (80 and sunny - sorry) > 75 TR6 CF35914U > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From lindquistse at charter.net Tue Dec 30 15:17:14 2008 From: lindquistse at charter.net (Steve Lindquist) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:17:14 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR250 starting issues Message-ID: <59123A9DCA2B4E4ABDC53F211F00F8A0@computerroom> I last queried the list about getting my TR250 started in Early December. Vance gave me a "to check" list and the results are: 1) 6 new plugs, all gapped to .025" 2) Cap and rotor. My distributor is a 22D, cap and rotor are new from TRF, Lucas DDB117. I have used this cap before. 3) Firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4. My distributor has always been installed 180 out of phase by the previous owners, and the wiring is adjusted. 4) Vacuum advance disabled, plugged, timing set to 10 BTDC. 5) Dwell set to 35 with a dwell meter. 6) Coil primary is 2.9 ohms, I have two to chose from. 7) New wires. But I measured all of them anyway and they range from 2-4 Kohms depending on length. 8) New points, condenser Car hasn't run since September. You can hear that it really wants to start, but stale gas ( who puts in Stabil in September?) and a crankcase full of 20W-50 in a 25F garage aren't helping. I am still iterating between timing and dwell settings, recharging the battery overnight. Presence of spark, as indicated by an inductive timing light, seems to be very sensitive to the dwell setting. Dwell is spec'd at 35 +/- 3 , is that still a good range? Would a little starting fluid help matters along? Anything else I can do to get it going? I have fuel flow as I verified by breaking the carb connection and cranking the engine. The carbs were rebuilt last year by Joe Curto so I am thinking that carb issues are less likely than finicky electrics. The TR250 has a single width timing chain. Are they prone to stretching, and how often are they replaced? I have no idea the status of mine, I am just thinking about things that can go wrong. Thanks, Steve From trsix74 at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 15:57:42 2008 From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:57:42 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR250 starting issues In-Reply-To: <59123A9DCA2B4E4ABDC53F211F00F8A0@computerroom> References: <59123A9DCA2B4E4ABDC53F211F00F8A0@computerroom> Message-ID: Make sure the gas is being pumped into the carbs (check by lifting the pistons, whilst someone is turning the starter for you), then use some starter fluid. If it ran in September and it sat the entire time, there is probably a little varnish build up somewhere. Starter fluid is dangerous. Be careful please. Don't ask how I know. I put stabil in every year, run the car for 10 minutes before putting it away. Never had an issue. From dbjohnso at us.ibm.com Tue Dec 30 17:24:52 2008 From: dbjohnso at us.ibm.com (David B Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:24:52 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Front Side Markers - '73 Message-ID: Hello gang, I pulled all my lights/lenses/bulbs out of storage today for some sprucing up before reinstalling them on my '73. My front side markers on each front fender have silver trim around the edge that I hadn't noticed when I tore it down a several years ago. I know that the turn signal lenses for the '73's did not have the silver trim as the earlier models did and mine are correct in this respect, but I don't recall seeing any postings addressing the side marker lenses, whether or not they retained the silver trim for the '73 model year. Both of my fenders were replaced at some point before I took ownership so it's entirely possible the lenses are not original and the incorrect version was installed. Can anyone with original 1973 side marker lenses confirm the silver trim vs no silver trim question for me? Thanks Dave From tr6parts at charter.net Tue Dec 30 18:19:20 2008 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:19:20 -0500 Subject: [6pack] Seat Kits Question Message-ID: <5D07BB0602164CE2AF4BB8325B098900@Alan> > Jim, > > I don't believe Prestige seat kits have the embosed print pattern, if that > matters. > Where as VB, TRF are as original; so are these. > > You could also check with BPNW, > http://www.bpnorthwest.com/.sc/ms/cat/TR250-TR6--Interior/4 > Newton Commercial, ( they don't list TR6, but they do make them in > original patterns.) > http://www.newtoncomm.co.uk/cars/triumph/index.jsp > > John Skinner > http://www.john-skinner.co.uk/ > > > Aldridge trimming. http://www.aldridge.co.uk/services/schematic.cfm?id=3 > > If your looking for leather, then nobody makes it with a pattern. > > Cheers, > > Al From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Tue Dec 30 20:58:03 2008 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:58:03 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TA Repair Jig Message-ID: <3AC09BFB34AB48F8B5E53312690C1359@BOBSNEWPC> OK guys..... for those of you who wanted the TA repair jig, I did one side today with no problems at all. It was a very simple repair using the jig and the results are "spot on". Some of you were worried about there being enough "meat" in the TAs to take the drilling and tapping and I can say that there's no evidence of anything breaking through. I told Rick to ship the units he has sold, so drop him an email to check on yours. It's well worth the $60 introductory price ..........or split it with friends or your local club. Oh yea.... here's where I wrote it all up http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/TAJig.htm ..... no navigation buttons yet but there's links at the bottom of each page. Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 CF38503U Running w/ Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 21:40:45 2008 From: levilevi at comcast.net (levilevi) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:40:45 -0700 Subject: [6pack] TR250 starting issues References: <59123A9DCA2B4E4ABDC53F211F00F8A0@computerroom> Message-ID: <7597216AB304421B800EC87773ED5FD8@rolofson> Steve, I haven't had points in my engine for a while but when I did have them I remember get the sequence of the washers, points, insulator, etc. wrong and somehow grounding or maybe not grounding the points and the engine not starting. Someone on the list that's done their points lately can probably tick off the order. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost Parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lindquist To: 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [6pack] TR250 starting issues I last queried the list about getting my TR250 started in Early December. Vance gave me a "to check" list and the results are: 1) 6 new plugs, all gapped to .025" 2) Cap and rotor. My distributor is a 22D, cap and rotor are new from TRF, Lucas DDB117. I have used this cap before. 3) Firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4. My distributor has always been installed 180 out of phase by the previous owners, and the wiring is adjusted. 4) Vacuum advance disabled, plugged, timing set to 10 BTDC. 5) Dwell set to 35 with a dwell meter. 6) Coil primary is 2.9 ohms, I have two to chose from. 7) New wires. But I measured all of them anyway and they range from 2-4 Kohms depending on length. 8) New points, condenser Car hasn't run since September. You can hear that it really wants to start, but stale gas ( who puts in Stabil in September?) and a crankcase full of 20W-50 in a 25F garage aren't helping. I am still iterating between timing and dwell settings, recharging the battery overnight. Presence of spark, as indicated by an inductive timing light, seems to be very sensitive to the dwell setting. Dwell is spec'd at 35 +/- 3 , is that still a good range? Would a little starting fluid help matters along? Anything else I can do to get it going? I have fuel flow as I verified by breaking the carb connection and cranking the engine. The carbs were rebuilt last year by Joe Curto so I am thinking that carb issues are less likely than finicky electrics. The TR250 has a single width timing chain. Are they prone to stretching, and how often are they replaced? I have no idea the status of mine, I am just thinking about things that can go wrong. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 6pack at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as levilevi at comcast.net From dito9561 at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 30 22:25:45 2008 From: dito9561 at bellsouth.net (Greg Dito) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:25:45 -0500 Subject: [6pack] TR250 starting issues References: <59123A9DCA2B4E4ABDC53F211F00F8A0@computerroom> Message-ID: <001901c96b08$3c754ac0$6101a8c0@phoenix> Steve, As long as the starter is turning over the motor it can then be one of two things - lack of fuel or lack of spark. Fuel 1. Place a rag under the fuel pipe connection between the carb fuel pipe and the fuel pipe coming from the pump. 2. Disconnect the pipe from the connector hose. If fuel spills from the pipe it may be a good sign but continue on. 3. Place the end of the pipe coming from the fuel pump into a disposable container such as a paper or plastic cup. 4. Have someone crank the engine. Fuel should start flowing from the pipe into the cup. If no fuel than I would suspect the fuel pump (possibly torn diaphram) or a clogged fuel filter. Using a glass see-through inline fuel filter makes this check very simple and cleaner. If fuel flows from the pipe then reconnect to the carb pipe and check the spark next: Spark 1. Remove one plug wire, push a large enough Philips head screwdriver into the boot for it to be held by the plug clip 2. While holding the very end of the plastic screwdriver handle (emphasis on PLASTIC) bring the steel shaft of the screwdriver about 1/4" near a metal part of the engine (I use the front lifting eye and #1 plug wire). 3. Have someone crank the engine for several seconds. A strong spark should be seen jumping from the screwdriver shaft to the engine metal as the starter turns the motor. If no spark or a weak spark, and considering all you've done so far and it's all still in good shape, then possibly it's a bad coil, bad wire from the coil to the cap, or a grounding issue with the points. Double check that everything is where it's supposed to be as far as insulators on the points. Check resistance on the distributor lead wire (it should be near zero). I've also heard of new condensors being defective so that's another item to consider. It can get more involved if everything else checks out but this would be a good start to troubleshooting the problem. Greg Dito CD6250L Chapel, Hill, NC From derick at zeni.net Wed Dec 31 10:04:44 2008 From: derick at zeni.net (Don Erickson) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:04:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [6pack] TR250 starting issues In-Reply-To: <59123A9DCA2B4E4ABDC53F211F00F8A0@computerroom> References: <59123A9DCA2B4E4ABDC53F211F00F8A0@computerroom> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Steve Lindquist wrote: > Anything else I can do to get it going? I have fuel flow as I verified by > breaking the carb connection and cranking the engine. The carbs were > rebuilt last year by Joe Curto so I am thinking that carb issues are less > likely than finicky electrics. You could try pulling the coil wire from the distributor cap and leaving it resting on top of the socket hole. This will force the coil to work harder to bridge the inch or so gap, and thus create a hotter spark at your plugs. Also, hearing a louder snap as the spark jumps the gap lets you know that your ignition system is functioning properly. I just got a rebuilt engine running with 2 1/2 year old gasoline, and this "force hotter spark" method was how I finally got the motor to catch and run, after running down the battery a time or two without success. Not that it should matter too much, but my car has the old "Crane Cams" electronic ignition module installed. Regards, -Don From jsnable at mac.com Wed Dec 31 11:01:39 2008 From: jsnable at mac.com (Jay Snable) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:01:39 -0800 Subject: [6pack] Front Side Markers - '73 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <164284673044541223304167957754462388089-Webmail@me.com> Hi Dave, My '73 has the silver trim on the side markers (well, sort of silver at this point...), and plain turn signal lenses. Jay '73 TR6 On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 04:24PM, "David B Johnson" wrote: >Hello gang, > >I pulled all my lights/lenses/bulbs out of storage today for some sprucing >up before reinstalling them on my '73. My front side markers on each front >fender have silver trim around the edge that I hadn't noticed when I tore >it down a several years ago. I know that the turn signal lenses for the >'73's did not have the silver trim as the earlier models did and mine are >correct in this respect, but I don't recall seeing any postings addressing >the side marker lenses, whether or not they retained the silver trim for >the '73 model year. Both of my fenders were replaced at some point before >I took ownership so it's entirely possible the lenses are not original and >the incorrect version was installed. Can anyone with original 1973 side >marker lenses confirm the silver trim vs no silver trim question for me? > >Thanks > >Dave