From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Fri Aug  1 02:36:11 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:36:11 +0100
Subject: [6pack] Watkins Glen - 4-7 Sept
Message-ID: <00bf01c8f3b1$a767fc70$0201a8c0@Bevan>

Are nay listers attending at The Glenn in September? Please let me know off-list as I'd like to meet 
you if possible.

jonmac 

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Aug  1 08:07:09 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:07:09 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Watkins Glen - 4-7 Sept   JonMac
Message-ID: <c34.3b0ea3c0.35c4728d@cs.com>

Are any listers attending at The Glenn in September? Please let me know 
off-list as I'd like to meet   you if possible.

jonmac 
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TR Lists:

In response to JonMac's note.

We are having a modest hospitality tent in the Triumph Paddock area. This is  
supported by our WPTA VTR friends and Sponsored by Moss and Classic 
Motorsports magazine.

I would like to extend an invitation to all who attend to stop by during the 
weekend. There will be several interesting folks lurking about....and some 
very special historical Triumphs.  Some of us are camping there and will likely 
do some night time socializing....(usually until about 9:00PM for me. It's an 
age thing) The Brits will likely keep the campfires burning far past that.

This will be a great place for JonMac to hold court, and actually is part of 
the plan.

Joe Alexander
Friends of Triumph






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From sakirsis at consolidated.net  Fri Aug  1 11:41:05 2008
From: sakirsis at consolidated.net (Steve Kirsis)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:41:05 -0500
Subject: [6pack] test
Message-ID: <BA527703A7104748BC1D5EBABCC67A95@stevekirsisPC>

test. please delete.

From sakirsis at consolidated.net  Fri Aug  1 11:47:55 2008
From: sakirsis at consolidated.net (Steve Kirsis)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:47:55 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Headlight Stone Guards
Message-ID: <7104EFC79718424D87B1D3DC6902FA35@stevekirsisPC>

Has anyone had any experience with installing Vicky Brit's headlight stone
guards? I feel they are installed correctly but they seem flimsy and too easy
to pop-off. I don't want them falling off on the first drive. Thanks, Steve
Kirsis, '70 and '75 TR6's

From dncullig at us.ibm.com  Fri Aug  1 12:45:52 2008
From: dncullig at us.ibm.com (Dennis N Culligan)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:45:52 -0400
Subject: [6pack]  Headlight Stone Guards
Message-ID: <OFF541ABB7.D41419B6-ON85257498.00668727-85257498.006713E2@us.ibm.com>

Steve wrote:
>Has anyone had any experience with installing Vicky Brit's headlight stone
>guards? I feel they are installed correctly but they seem flimsy and too
easy
>to pop-off. I don't want them falling off on the first drive. Thanks,
Steve
>Kirsis, '70 and '75 TR6's

Steve -
   I had these guards on my car for a number of years - I've
since removed them 'cuz they rust up pretty quick. I bent one
of the mounting tabs completely around the outside edge of the
stone guard to make sure they did not fall off - if you finagle
them just right, the mounting tabs will fit through one of the
openings in the guard.
  Also be careful that the mounting tabs don't stick up enough
to clip the hood when you open it. This can easily scratch the
front edge of the hood.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY /1976 TR6 CF57948U - TR6IUMPH

From tr250 at mindspring.com  Fri Aug  1 12:49:00 2008
From: tr250 at mindspring.com (Mark Walker)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:49:00 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Call for Trials registrations
Message-ID: <00a701c8f407$43512940$c9f37bc0$@com>

The 6-Pack Trials are September 11,12, and 13 in Townsend, TN.   Find more
info at http://www.6-pack.org or call me at 865-591-0982.

 

This is technically not a last call but that is fast approaching,  this may
be the largest, best driving Trials ever.  Don't  miss it.

 

Mark Walker

Tr250 at mindspring.com

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri Aug  1 14:45:40 2008
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:45:40 -0400
Subject: [6pack] VTR/NATC convention
Message-ID: <489375F4.5030203@bright.net>

List members, if you are attending this event, please stop by our 
display.  We will be open Tuesday - Thursday in the hotel vendor area 
and Friday at the car show.  Engine, suspension, brake goodies all on 
display along with our gear reduction starters.  Tuesday afternoon I am 
presenting a tech session on testing, tools and performance. Wednesday 
morning Mike Cook and myself are doing a session on what it was like "in 
the day". This will be from a corporate viewpoint, dealer viewpoint and 
competition viewpoint.  "Win on Sunday and hopefully sell on Monday!"  
If there is something you want me to bring, please call or email soon.  
If I can bring it along, you save shipping.  See you there.  Thanks for 
your time. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu  Fri Aug  1 20:15:41 2008
From: Michael_Corbitt at ous.edu (Corbitt, Michael)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:15:41 -0700
Subject: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings
Message-ID: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A47153005222013BC575@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu>

I have a question about the J-Type overdrive.  When mating the rear and main
castings, why do Nelson's instructions call for copper washers on the two
upper studs?  What's the purpose of the copper washers here?  Why the tow
upper studs and not on all six?  Thanks for any feedback.

Mike
Corvallis, OR

From stan.foster at hp.com  Fri Aug  1 21:06:27 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 03:06:27 +0000
Subject: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings
In-Reply-To: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A47153005222013BC575@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu>
References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A47153005222013BC575@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E59661647@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Mike, I have not examined this particular assembly but copper washers are
typically used when bolts or studs are screwed into oil passages. An example I
am familiar with is the rear engine oil seal housing that has one copper
washer at the top. My guess is that the two upper studs you reference are
screwed into threaded holes with an oil passage behind and without the copper
washer and probably some additional measures like sealant the joint will leak
more than usual.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Corbitt,
Michael
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:16 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings

I have a question about the J-Type overdrive.  When mating the rear and main
castings, why do Nelson's instructions call for copper washers on the two
upper studs?  What's the purpose of the copper washers here?  Why the tow
upper studs and not on all six?  Thanks for any feedback.

Mike
Corvallis, OR

From patton at suscom-maine.net  Fri Aug  1 22:52:30 2008
From: patton at suscom-maine.net (Rick)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:52:30 -0400
Subject: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E59661647@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <POEHJKJOLFPLCMCHAKJCEEEEGJAA.patton@suscom-maine.net>

Mike,

I just sealed the leak from those two upper studs. When we assembled the OD
it had plastic sleeves for those studs that would get crushed in around the
stud by the nut. They leaked from day one and nothing I tried sealed them.

Two weeks ago we replaced a very loud throw out bearing so it was the
perfect time to also change out the speedo gear on the output shaft and
finally seal those two studs. Once the rear OD cover was removed you could
see that the two upper studs are open to the oil around the OD clutch and
final drive. All the other studs are completely surrounded by the casting.
We used new plastic sleeves liberally coated with The Right Stuff and a
small close fitting flat washer. No more leaks, the new bearing is whisper
quiet, and my speedo is correct for the first time in years! Originally we
used the plastic sleeves, a lock washer, and a nut. Now looking back, I
think the lock washer allowed oil to slip by. Because the engine is very
strong we run the OD at 650 psi rather than the standard 450psi so it shifts
very hard. The two plastic sealing sleeves came from Volvo, part number
1232520.

Rick Patton
75 TR6sci supercharged and fuel injected
rick at pattonmachine.com
http://pattonmachine.com


>snip
> Subject: Re: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings
>
>
> Mike, I have not examined this particular assembly but copper washers are
> typically used when bolts or studs are screwed into oil passages.
> An example I
> am familiar with is the rear engine oil seal housing that has one copper
> washer at the top. My guess is that the two upper studs you reference are
> screwed into threaded holes with an oil passage behind and
> without the copper
> washer and probably some additional measures like sealant the
> joint will leak
> more than usual.
>
> Stan
>snip
> I have a question about the J-Type overdrive.  When mating the
> rear and main
> castings, why do Nelson's instructions call for copper washers on the two
> upper studs?  What's the purpose of the copper washers here?  Why the tow
> upper studs and not on all six?  Thanks for any feedback.
>
> Mike
> Corvallis, OR
snip

From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  2 17:16:51 2008
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:16:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] points change troubles
Message-ID: <418248.32809.qm@web59607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I'd like to thank everyone for the help/suggestions with my post concerning
point change that made the 6 run worse.  Apparently I had the wrong points.  I
had purchased the points for the early dizzy (two vacuum pots) instead of
points for the later one (retard only).  
How i made the wrong points work
amazes me.  Some how I got the two plates separated (theres like a bold head
which slides in a slot that holds the two together).  When this head slipped
out it held the two plates apart........and somehow i secured the points and
set at .015 and it did run (very badly).  Finally today i tore it all apart
and put it back together correctly..........and ended up not being able to fit
the points at all.  The rub pad would not reach the post at all.  Totally
flumoxed I went back to my order sheet and TRF parts book and hopefully I've
found the answer by ordering correct points.  Not sure why I didn't research
things better in the beginning.
And I do have electronic ignition ready to put
on along with sport coil.  I just wanted to break in the engine and get it
running well before changing.  I also want to have a good spare
points/condenser mounted on plate to carry along in case the crane system goes
boink. lol
again.............LOVE the list.......thanks everyone!
gary
nafziger

From tr6 at pipeline.com  Sun Aug  3 05:52:49 2008
From: tr6 at pipeline.com (Ronald Olds)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:52:49 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Coco Floor Mats
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAGR0/UN+345Oi0ESU7rmM4wBAITr15KniR9MuVqf/6yjAv4AAAFImMEAABAAAAB9G7zGWTjoSoPFe+Ln2oVlAQAAAAA=@pipeline.com>

I remember someone was looking for coco floor mats for their car.  The link
below is has them on sale for 50% off.

 

http://www.herringtoncatalog.com/ms341.html

 

Ron Olds

From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Sun Aug  3 08:17:39 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:17:39 -0400
Subject: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E59661647@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <2E09C5AF30306D43BDB6A47153005222013BC575@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu>,
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E59661647@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF4EE5F8A7@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>

Yep, a copper compression washer is widely used for oil seal applications
around studs or bolts were there is oil pressure behind the bolt.  As a rule,
one should always use a new one each time, because once compressed (deformed)
it is much more difficult to get the seal you need.
________________________________________
From: 6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net
[6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Foster, Stan [stan.foster at hp.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:06 PM
To: Corbitt, Michael; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings

Mike, I have not examined this particular assembly but copper washers are
typically used when bolts or studs are screwed into oil passages. An example
I
am familiar with is the rear engine oil seal housing that has one copper
washer at the top. My guess is that the two upper studs you reference are
screwed into threaded holes with an oil passage behind and without the copper
washer and probably some additional measures like sealant the joint will leak
more than usual.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Corbitt,
Michael
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:16 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings

I have a question about the J-Type overdrive.  When mating the rear and main
castings, why do Nelson's instructions call for copper washers on the two
upper studs?  What's the purpose of the copper washers here?  Why the tow
upper studs and not on all six?  Thanks for any feedback.

Mike
Corvallis, OR
6pack at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack

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From johncnorth at gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 10:45:49 2008
From: johncnorth at gmail.com (John North)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:45:49 -0400
Subject: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings
In-Reply-To: <POEHJKJOLFPLCMCHAKJCEEEEGJAA.patton@suscom-maine.net>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E59661647@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<POEHJKJOLFPLCMCHAKJCEEEEGJAA.patton@suscom-maine.net>
Message-ID: <49f668fe0808030945n1c6873feq82f8462f6576acc6@mail.gmail.com>

How did you change the oil pressure in the OD?

John North

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Rick <patton at suscom-maine.net> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Isnip
> Because the engine is very
> strong we run the OD at 650 psi rather than the standard 450psi so it shifts
> very hard. The two plastic sealing sleeves came from Volvo, part number
> 1232520.
>
> Rick Patton
> 75 TR6sci supercharged and fuel injected
> rick at pattonmachine.com
> http://pattonmachine.com

From patton at suscom-maine.net  Sun Aug  3 14:05:45 2008
From: patton at suscom-maine.net (Rick)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:05:45 -0400
Subject: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings
In-Reply-To: <49f668fe0808030945n1c6873feq82f8462f6576acc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <POEHJKJOLFPLCMCHAKJCEEFFGJAA.patton@suscom-maine.net>

Hi John,

> How did you change the oil pressure in the OD?

By adding pressure adjusting shim washers to the valve in the bottom of the
OD. The shift is so abrupt that I use the clutch much of the time going into
or out of overdrive. The OD switch is momentary and on the gearshift knob
using a line lock or nitrous style knob from Hurst. OD works in 2,3, and 4.
It is controlled by a little circuit board that drops out the OD whenever
you pass thru neutral and hitting the button toggles it on or off. No more
unexpected power shifts into OD.

The sad news is that I don't think the fellow supplying the circuit boards
offers them any longer  but what a  nice addition! Glad I have one of the
few he sold.

Rick Patton
75 TR6sci
rick at pattonmachine.com
http://pattonmachine.com
http://topshamautoparts.com/tr6/


> -----Original Message-----
> From: 6pack-bounces+patton=suscom-maine.net at autox.team.net
> [mailto:6pack-bounces+patton=suscom-maine.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf
> Of John North
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:46 PM
> To: Triumph 6 Pack
> Subject: Re: [6pack] J-Type Overdrive - Mating the Two Castings
>
>
> How did you change the oil pressure in the OD?
>
> John North

From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Sun Aug  3 15:40:15 2008
From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:40:15 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Falken Tires
Message-ID: <000501c8f5b1$86589d30$210110ac@bobspc>

Does anybody have any experience with Falken tires....specifically Falken
Ziex ZE-912? Grass Roots Motorsports did a review on budget performance
tires and they tied at #1 with Bridgestone Potenza.

Thanks
Bob

Bob Danielson
1975 TR6 CF38503U
Running w/ Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 

From dhounsell at msn.com  Sun Aug  3 17:58:31 2008
From: dhounsell at msn.com (douglas hounsell)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:58:31 -0400
Subject: [6pack] 71 TR6 Fuel Problems
Message-ID: <BAY112-W1001F1438A24D1D46F862DAB790@phx.gbl>

Just developed a stumble after 30 minutes of a run.
Car skips at 2500 to 3000 rpm
Zenith carbs Dash pots holding oil
plugs not fouled
let the car sit and it runs fine for a period of time
Running 87 octane 10% ethanol and added can of dry gas no help
thinking fuel pump or tank issues
Within 500 miles new plugs,rotor,wires,cap, fuel filter, air filters
Doug Hounsell
Gilford NH
603-528-2967
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug  3 18:06:35 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:06:35 -0500
Subject: [6pack] 71 TR6 Fuel Problems
References: <BAY112-W1001F1438A24D1D46F862DAB790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000301c8f5c5$f9e0c980$6415a8c0@garage.local>

check the diaphrams?

From trsix74 at comcast.net  Sun Aug  3 18:21:56 2008
From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:21:56 -0400
Subject: [6pack] 71 TR6 Fuel Problems
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W1001F1438A24D1D46F862DAB790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-W1001F1438A24D1D46F862DAB790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001c8f5c8$1b156370$6601a8c0@Robert>

Just developed a stumble after 30 minutes of a run.
Car skips at 2500 to 3000 rpm
Zenith carbs Dash pots holding oil
plugs not fouled
let the car sit and it runs fine for a period of time
Running 87 octane 10% ethanol and added can of dry gas no help
thinking fuel pump or tank issues
Within 500 miles new plugs,rotor,wires,cap, fuel filter, air filters


Question. How is your vacuum advance diaphragm? Whilst idling it will not
affect, but when you rev the engine and there is no suction, it can create
issues that you are experiencing. Either use a mighty vac unit to check it
or suck o the end of the tube and see if you get a vacuum.

From salva57 at optonline.net  Sun Aug  3 19:02:03 2008
From: salva57 at optonline.net (salva57 at optonline.net)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:02:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [6pack] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <e441918045fc5.4896550b@optonline.net>

I'm planning to drive up to the Glen this September, not familiar with that track, which is the best camping area?
Thanks.
Sal
www.triumphowners.com/381 

From tr6taylor at webtv.net  Sun Aug  3 23:02:24 2008
From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:02:24 GMT
Subject: [6pack] 71 TR6 Fuel Problems
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV837C51CD8511432740695F4780@phx.gbl>

Doug---You didn't mention if the problem goes away after 3000 rpm, so I'll assume that it is still there. I'd first make sure that the fuel filter is clean, as the engine could be starving for fuel after you go for a lengthy run  Taking the engine to a speed where not enough fuel can pass thru could be what's happening. Stopping, or idling the engine allows the filter to pass enough to fill the lines to the carbs (depending on the fuel level in the fuel tank).  This is easy enough to check. Just remove the line right before the carbs and start the engine. (Have an empty container at the ready, of course)  If the fuel gushes out endlessly, then the filter is NOT the problem!

If the engine dies out, let a container and gravity feed some fuel into the line that goes to the carbs. Check again. If the engine still won't rev to it's heart's content, there could be some dirt stuck in one or both (unlikely) of the float jets.

Otherwise, how's this "creampuff" doing! Still looking as good as when I last saw it?

Dick
L.A.


-----Original Message-----
From: douglas hounsell
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 4:58 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] 71 TR6 Fuel Problems

Just developed a stumble after 30 minutes of a run.
Car skips at 2500 to 3000 rpm
Zenith carbs Dash pots holding oil
plugs not fouled
let the car sit and it runs fine for a period of time
Running 87 octane 10% ethanol and added can of dry gas no help
thinking fuel pump or tank issues
Within 500 miles new plugs,rotor,wires,cap, fuel filter, air filters
Doug Hounsell
Gilford NH
603-528-2967
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From johncnorth at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 06:24:22 2008
From: johncnorth at gmail.com (John North)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:24:22 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
Message-ID: <49f668fe0808040524y46e1a14fhcdf671c680349179@mail.gmail.com>

Tuning following my engine rebuild...   When I put the pedal to the
floor in any gear, the engine misses badly, and smooths out when I
back off the throttle.   This is especially true at 2000 rpms or less.
  Once over 2500, it accelerates pretty well, still misses
occasionally.

I have 9.5:1 compression, Goodparts GP2 cam, smoothed ports.   I am
running with stock ZS carbs.

I have checked timing, points, plugs multiple times.   Have advanced
and retarded timing a few degrees.   Replaced wires, rotor, dizzie cap
with known good ones.   Changed carb needles for B1E.   All these with
little effect.   Dashpots have 5/20 oil in.

Vance called the GP2 a hairy cam, as I recall, and I am starting to
wonder whether that might be the issue.   Maybe it needs to run over
2500 rpms...

Any other experiences out there or suggestions for where to go from here?

John North

From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug  4 06:33:04 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:33:04 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
In-Reply-To: <49f668fe0808040524y46e1a14fhcdf671c680349179@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49f668fe0808040524y46e1a14fhcdf671c680349179@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E59661711@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

John, I don't think it is the cam. I installed a GP2 last winter (9.6:1 cr)
and the engine will idle happily at 900 rpm and will pull willingly in all
gears well below 2500. I still have a few other teething problems to sort out
with the carbs (3xdcoe) but I don't think the GP2 is that hairy. Your problem
may be as simple as needing richer needles and/or a third Stromberg to get
more fuel into the motor.

Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John
North
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 8:24 AM
To: Triumph 6 Pack
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load

Tuning following my engine rebuild...   When I put the pedal to the
floor in any gear, the engine misses badly, and smooths out when I
back off the throttle.   This is especially true at 2000 rpms or less.
  Once over 2500, it accelerates pretty well, still misses
occasionally.

I have 9.5:1 compression, Goodparts GP2 cam, smoothed ports.   I am
running with stock ZS carbs.

I have checked timing, points, plugs multiple times.   Have advanced
and retarded timing a few degrees.   Replaced wires, rotor, dizzie cap
with known good ones.   Changed carb needles for B1E.   All these with
little effect.   Dashpots have 5/20 oil in.

Vance called the GP2 a hairy cam, as I recall, and I am starting to
wonder whether that might be the issue.   Maybe it needs to run over
2500 rpms...

Any other experiences out there or suggestions for where to go from here?

John North

From jkorsak at cableone.net  Mon Aug  4 07:14:25 2008
From: jkorsak at cableone.net (John Korsak)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:14:25 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Falken Tires
In-Reply-To: <000501c8f5b1$86589d30$210110ac@bobspc>
Message-ID: <CNEJKLKGAIHAIADGOILDAEHIDCAA.jkorsak@cableone.net>

Bob,

I have been running Falken ZE 912's for about 1 year and have put over
10,000 miles on them.  They are very quite and very grippe.  They are a
great value.  My last set of tires were Yoko Avid's and I thought they were
also very good.

I am preparing my 74 for another long journey.  I will be leaving for
Watkins Glenn on the 1st of Sept.  From there I will drive down to Tenn for
the Trails and then up to NJ to visit my brother.  I will put on 6 to 8
thousand miles on my 6 before returning to KS.  With the Flaken's, I don't
have any concerns regarding the tires.

John Korsak
74 TR6
CF25165UO

From jndavis at ball.com  Mon Aug  4 12:52:22 2008
From: jndavis at ball.com (Davis, James N)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:52:22 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Engine miss response
References: <mailman.7.1217872800.1156.6pack@autox.team.net>
	<D4D707D8B223AA4BAD7EC190D852E4F948399DAA@AEROMSG3.AERO.BALL.COM>
Message-ID: <B5B5A8E973AE074EABFD14550E51E00B0987DBB0@AEROMSG3.AERO.BALL.COM>

Doug,

I had exactly the same symptoms with my 1974 TR6. It turned out that my spark
plug gap was set wide, when I regapped to .025" she ran like a champ.

Jim Davis


Message: 3
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:58:31 -0400
From: douglas hounsell <dhounsell at msn.com>
Subject: [6pack] 71 TR6 Fuel Problems
To: "6pack at autox.team.net" <6pack at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W1001F1438A24D1D46F862DAB790 at phx.gbl>
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Just developed a stumble after 30 minutes of a run.
Car skips at 2500 to 3000 rpm
Zenith carbs Dash pots holding oil
plugs not fouled
let the car sit and it runs fine for a period of time
Running 87 octane 10% ethanol and added can of dry gas no help
thinking fuel pump or tank issues
Within 500 miles new plugs,rotor,wires,cap, fuel filter, air filters
Doug Hounsell
Gilford NH
603-528-2967
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From tr6taylor at webtv.net  Mon Aug  4 13:35:01 2008
From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:35:01 GMT
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7E15FD79AD15FB0D1DC37F4780@phx.gbl>

John---You should be able to get the engine to run decently with the equipment you have in place. The problem, unfortunately, means that it could be either electrical, or fuel related. While I suspect that it's electrical, let's first try some (easier) things that deal with the fuel:

First, run the needle height adjusting screws down to the bottom of their travel. (Count the number of quarter turns, in case you want to return to the start position). This will pull the needles up to their maximum richness. Do a trial run.
 If this doesn't improve things, then use a 20W-50 oil in the dashpots. Heavier oil keeps the air valves from rising too quickly, which leans out the A/F mix. You don't want leanness under acceleration. Make a trial run.

The above suggestions are easily reversed if they do no good. If they don't, write back for some electrical ideas, as they could take up "too much space" and not get sent to the list!

These are the kind of issues I like to tackle, in the comfort of my own garage. 

Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: John North
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 5:24 AM
To: Triumph 6 Pack
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load

Tuning following my engine rebuild...   When I put the pedal to the
floor in any gear, the engine misses badly, and smooths out when I
back off the throttle.   This is especially true at 2000 rpms or less.
  Once over 2500, it accelerates pretty well, still misses
occasionally.

I have 9.5:1 compression, Goodparts GP2 cam, smoothed ports.   I am
running with stock ZS carbs.

I have checked timing, points, plugs multiple times.   Have advanced
and retarded timing a few degrees.   Replaced wires, rotor, dizzie cap
with known good ones.   Changed carb needles for B1E.   All these with
little effect.   Dashpots have 5/20 oil in.

Vance called the GP2 a hairy cam, as I recall, and I am starting to
wonder whether that might be the issue.   Maybe it needs to run over
2500 rpms...

Any other experiences out there or suggestions for where to go from here?

John North
6pack at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack

http://www.team.net/archive

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From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 13:43:04 2008
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV7E15FD79AD15FB0D1DC37F4780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <839292.64593.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John:Have you inspected the carb diaphrams for holes? Even a pin hole can cause problems like you describe>Jim

From f700fast at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 13:47:48 2008
From: f700fast at yahoo.com (Tom Rand)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] "A" Overdrive Parts
Message-ID: <320894.82093.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
I recall a few years back of a repair shop in Conn. that has parts and service. Does anyone know who these guys are and number?
I've ordered from them in he past but I have lost that info.
Thanks
1970 TR6
Poland Spring

From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug  4 13:51:03 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:51:03 +0000
Subject: [6pack] "A" Overdrive Parts
In-Reply-To: <320894.82093.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <320894.82093.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5966189D@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

John Esposito perhaps ?

http://www.quantumechanics.com/

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Rand
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 3:48 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] "A" Overdrive Parts

Hello all,
I recall a few years back of a repair shop in Conn. that has parts and
service. Does anyone know who these guys are and number?
I've ordered from them in he past but I have lost that info.
Thanks
1970 TR6
Poland Spring

From dirtbeard at pacbell.net  Mon Aug  4 14:06:54 2008
From: dirtbeard at pacbell.net (old dirtbeard)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission
Message-ID: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi guys,

I know this has to have been discussed previously, but I am interested in experiences reinstalling a TR6 engine and transmission as a unit as compared to individually. I removed them separately and used a floor engine hoist to remove the engine.

I don't know if I would have tried this with the floor hoist, but I now have a 10' high steel I-beam with a 2-ton trolley and chain hoist in my garage (along with the floor hoist).

It would seem to be easier to assemble the engine and transmission prior to installation, but maybe it is very hard steering the "long lump" home.

Any experiences/opinions/advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

best,

doug

From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug  4 14:15:13 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:15:13 +0000
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E596618AA@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

If I have the engine and tranny out I would always install them together. It
is just so much easier than trying to install separately.
I used a 2 ton crane and an Oberg tilt lift and had a helper to aid with
steering the unit back into the engine bay but it went back in very smoothly.
I recommend the step ladder to reach the tilt lift bar unless you are 6ft 6
inches tall or greater and the slippers make it an overall comfortable
experience :-)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/foster461/Winter%202008%20Projects/DSC
_0004-1.jpg

The crane provides both up and down and fwd/back mobility, I have no
experience using a beam for this project but I know at least one person that
has this setup who will probably chime in shortly.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of old
dirtbeard
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:07 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission

Hi guys,

I know this has to have been discussed previously, but I am interested in
experiences reinstalling a TR6 engine and transmission as a unit as compared
to individually. I removed them separately and used a floor engine hoist to
remove the engine.

I don't know if I would have tried this with the floor hoist, but I now have a
10' high steel I-beam with a 2-ton trolley and chain hoist in my garage (along
with the floor hoist).

It would seem to be easier to assemble the engine and transmission prior to
installation, but maybe it is very hard steering the "long lump" home.

Any experiences/opinions/advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

best,

doug

From shewfamily at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 15:52:11 2008
From: shewfamily at aol.com (shewfamily at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:52:11 -0400
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CAC4937BD0E334-1144-100C@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com>

I believe the shop manual instructs you to install the engine and 
transmission separately.  I have had my engine and transmission out 
twice and both times followed the instructions in the manual.  If I 
recall correctly, you lower the engine into the engine bay by 
supporting the rear of the engine on a jack or jack stand and then bolt 
the motor mounts.  The transmission is then brought in through the 
passenger door and installed on the engine.  I used my floor jack with 
a board to support the transmission and used the wheels on the floor 
jack to help me properly position and mate the transmission input shaft 
through the pressure plate and the clutch disk and into the pilot 
bearing.  Both times I was by myself when I installed the transmission 
and it went together fairly easily.
John Shewmake
'74 TR6
Chattanooga, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard at pacbell.net>
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 3:06 pm
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission

Hi guys,

I know this has to have been discussed previously, but I am interested 
in experiences reinstalling a TR6 engine and transmission as a unit as 
compared to individually. I removed them separately and used a floor 
engine hoist to remove the engine.

I don't know if I would have tried this with the floor hoist, but I now 
have a 10' high steel I-beam with a 2-ton trolley and chain hoist in my 
garage (along with the floor hoist).

It would seem to be easier to assemble the engine and transmission 
prior to installation, but maybe it is very hard steering the "long 
lump" home.

Any experiences/opinions/advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

best,

doug
6pack at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack

http://www.team.net/archive

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From shewfamily at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 16:05:49 2008
From: shewfamily at aol.com (shewfamily at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:05:49 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
In-Reply-To: <49f668fe0808040524y46e1a14fhcdf671c680349179@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49f668fe0808040524y46e1a14fhcdf671c680349179@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CAC4956371AF5C-1144-1126@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com>

John,
Did you rebuild your carbs as part of the engine rebuild?  If you did 
rebuild them and replace the needles and jets, how deep in the carb 
throat did you locate the jets?

I had a similar problem caused by the PO when I first purchased my TR6 
9 years ago.  The PO had rebuilt the carbs and had installed new jets 
even with the throat of the carb.  In doing my research and ordering 
the parts to rebuild the carbs from Apple Hydraulics, I asked how deep 
the jets should be installed.  I was told that when Apple rebuilds 
carbs they install the jets 85 to 120 thousandths below the throat 
surface.  I got out my dial indicator and installed mine at about 100 
thousandths.  When I reinstalled the carbs, my problem was solved as I 
could now adjust the richness enough to make it run properly.  With the 
jets installed even with the throat body, there was not enough 
adjustment in the needles to get the richness required to keep the 
backfires from happening.  Even if you didn't rebuild your carbs, those 
jets may not me deep enough in the throat with the GP2 Cam for the 
needle adjustment to get you rich enough.  Long shot, but thought I 
would mention it in the event if works for you.
John Shewmake
'74 TR6
Chattanooga, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: John North <johncnorth at gmail.com>
To: Triumph 6 Pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 7:24 am
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load

Tuning following my engine rebuild...   When I put the pedal to the
floor in any gear, the engine misses badly, and smooths out when I
back off the throttle.   This is especially true at 2000 rpms or less.
  Once over 2500, it accelerates pretty well, still misses
occasionally.

I have 9.5:1 compression, Goodparts GP2 cam, smoothed ports.   I am
running with stock ZS carbs.

I have checked timing, points, plugs multiple times.   Have advanced
and retarded timing a few degrees.   Replaced wires, rotor, dizzie cap
with known good ones.   Changed carb needles for B1E.   All these with
little effect.   Dashpots have 5/20 oil in.

Vance called the GP2 a hairy cam, as I recall, and I am starting to
wonder whether that might be the issue.   Maybe it needs to run over
2500 rpms...

Any other experiences out there or suggestions for where to go from 
here?

John North
6pack at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack

http://www.team.net/archive

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From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Mon Aug  4 16:21:26 2008
From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:21:26 -0400
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c8f680$7151eb60$210110ac@bobspc>

If you're pulling them both anyway, it's the easiest way to do it. Some
people even pull them with the carbs and manifold still attached. I,
however, removed everything I could and had a helper when it came time to
remove and install it. I also used the Oberg tilt sling which makes it even
easier. The only warning is that you have to either remove or pay close
attention to the accelerator shaft as the bell housing wants to hit it on
removal and installation. You can see some pictures here
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/EngineRemoval.htm


Bob Danielson
1975 TR6 CF38503U
Running w/ Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+75tr6=tr6.danielsonfamily.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+75tr6=tr6.danielsonfamily.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of old dirtbeard
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:07 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission

Hi guys,

I know this has to have been discussed previously, but I am interested in
experiences reinstalling a TR6 engine and transmission as a unit as compared
to individually. I removed them separately and used a floor engine hoist to
remove the engine.

I don't know if I would have tried this with the floor hoist, but I now have
a 10' high steel I-beam with a 2-ton trolley and chain hoist in my garage
(along with the floor hoist).

It would seem to be easier to assemble the engine and transmission prior to
installation, but maybe it is very hard steering the "long lump" home.

Any experiences/opinions/advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

best,

doug
6pack at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack

http://www.team.net/archive

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From dirtbeard at pacbell.net  Mon Aug  4 16:57:30 2008
From: dirtbeard at pacbell.net (old dirtbeard)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:57:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E596618AA@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <63055.79058.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stan,

Thank you very much -- the Oberg sling looks like a great addition. I looked to see if there are different models of it, but in Moss they show the same one for all models. I see this one for less money, but don't know if it is the same model:

http://www.primetimesolutions.com/Automotive/Other-Auto-Solutions/Oberg-Tilt-Lift-Engine-Sling?cid=77&leadsource=PF107&cvsfa=495&cvsfe=2&cvsfp=TILT01

Any ideas if it is the same sling?

Thanks for the great photos, too..

best,

doug

"Foster, Stan" <stan.foster at hp.com> wrote: If I have the engine and tranny out I would always install them together. It is just so much easier than trying to install separately.
I used a 2 ton crane and an Oberg tilt lift and had a helper to aid with steering the unit back into the engine bay but it went back in very smoothly. I recommend the step ladder to reach the tilt lift bar unless you are 6ft 6 inches tall or greater and the slippers make it an overall comfortable experience :-)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/foster461/Winter%202008%20Projects/DSC_0004-1.jpg

The crane provides both up and down and fwd/back mobility, I have no experience using a beam for this project but I know at least one person that has this setup who will probably chime in shortly.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of old dirtbeard
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:07 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission

Hi guys,

I know this has to have been discussed previously, but I am interested in experiences reinstalling a TR6 engine and transmission as a unit as compared to individually. I removed them separately and used a floor engine hoist to remove the engine.

I don't know if I would have tried this with the floor hoist, but I now have a 10' high steel I-beam with a 2-ton trolley and chain hoist in my garage (along with the floor hoist).

It would seem to be easier to assemble the engine and transmission prior to installation, but maybe it is very hard steering the "long lump" home.

Any experiences/opinions/advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

best,

doug

From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug  4 17:22:06 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:22:06 +0000
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <63055.79058.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E596618AA@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<63055.79058.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5966190E@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

[ Resending with edits to avoid the autox mailer limitations]

Doug, that looks like the same one that Bob D and I have. You just need a long
breaker bar to operate it and there is a bit of a technique required
especially when it is under load. The device has a locking mechanism that you
need to unlock, then  rotate the load and then re-lock but it does not
ratchet. This means once you unlock it you have to support the load via the
lever until you complete your adjustment and then re-lock. So you need to be
well braced and you need to position the lever so that you are comfortable
with the initial load and the load at the target rotation (ie don't start off
off-balance and fully extended  or you will lose it and the load will nose
dive into something you care about !). The cool thing is that you have very
fine control and it makes this project a piece of cake. I did the removal
single handed one evening but appreciated having a helper to assist with
re-installation. As Bob said the critical thing to watch is the bulkhead as
that is where you have the least clearance and I found that with the cross
tube and steering rack out there was just enough room to ease the combined
unit back into place and I don't think we touched anything on the way in.

I bought a pair of shackles from Home Depot to attach the sling to the lifting
eyes and you need to protect the valve cover with something substantial
otherwise the sling will damage it at some point in the process.

Installing a tranny from the inside of the car especially with OD on the end
is no picnic. This thing weighs 100lbs with OD and if you are removing the
engine I don't see any point in torturing yourself trying to take the engine
and gearbox out individually and even less point in installing them
individually.

Stan

From: old dirtbeard [mailto:dirtbeard at pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:58 PM
To: Foster, Stan; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission

Stan,

Thank you very much -- the Oberg sling looks like a great addition. I looked
to see if there are different models of it, but in Moss they show the same one
for all models. I see this one for less money, but don't know if it is the
same model:

http://www.primetimesolutions.com/Automotive/Other-Auto-Solutions/Oberg-Tilt-
Lift-Engine-Sling?cid=77&leadsource=PF107&cvsfa=495&cvsfe=2&cvsfp=TILT01

Any ideas if it is the same sling?

Thanks for the great photos, too..

best,

doug

From johncnorth at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 18:27:22 2008
From: johncnorth at gmail.com (John North)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:27:22 -0400
Subject: [6pack] reinstalling TR6 engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <839128.95870.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49f668fe0808041727w69c5f5eet2dfe85047682616a@mail.gmail.com>

Installing as one unit worked best for me also.   As an alternative to
the Oberg, Harbor Freight has a balancer that works fine also, I think
I paid $39.00   I don't see how this job could be done without some
mechanical means to bring the unit to the correct angle.

John North

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard at pacbell.net> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I know this has to have been discussed previously, but I am interested in experiences reinstalling a TR6 engine and transmission as a unit as compared to individually. I removed them separately and used a floor engine hoist to remove the engine.
>
> I don't know if I would have tried this with the floor hoist, but I now have a 10' high steel I-beam with a 2-ton trolley and chain hoist in my garage (along with the floor hoist).

From dito9561 at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  4 19:54:18 2008
From: dito9561 at bellsouth.net (Greg Dito)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:54:18 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Watkins Glen
References: <e441918045fc5.4896550b@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <003401c8f69e$2d408d50$6101a8c0@phoenix>

http://www.theglen.com/

It's been awhile but my guess is that it does not really matter as far as 
conduct of the campers in the way it used to be a problem, well, unless you 
wanted to camp there which I always did 8~D.  My understanding is conduct is 
much more strictly enforced (or does someone know that to be false?).  Back 
in the day the camping area down at the 'boot' of the Formula 1 circuit 
(also adjacent to the infamous and long filled-in 'Bog') was NOT a place for 
families.  I recall most family camping was along the main straight and the 
turn at the end of it.

If you are speaking to best view, unless you're sitting on a motorhome most 
good spectator areas are a short distance from camping areas.  Also, if you 
like to camp in the trees than B and C along the back straight is your best 
bet although there are some treed areas in D and E.  Section A is pretty 
barren of trees.  If you have a motorhome to sit on top of than I would 
probably try to get as close to the sweeping turn at the end of the straight 
in section F.  E and F are usually reserved camping so call ahead for those 
sections.

For all I know the landscape may have changed quite a bit and if someone 
knows better please correct me.  The other comment, in case you're not 
familiar with that part of New York state, is to bring cold weather 
clothing.  It can get downright frigid at night.  There was a July IMSA 
event that I attended back around 1980 or so where I got sunburned during 
the day with temp in the 90s and that night it went below freezing.

Have a blast.  It's a beautiful and historic track.

Greg
CD6250L
Chapel Hill, NC



> I'm planning to drive up to the Glen this September, not familiar with 
> that track, which is the best camping area?
> Thanks.
> Sal
> www.triumphowners.com/381
> _______________________________________________

From dito9561 at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  4 20:09:23 2008
From: dito9561 at bellsouth.net (Greg Dito)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:09:23 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Watkins Glen
References: <e441918045fc5.4896550b@optonline.net>
	<003401c8f69e$2d408d50$6101a8c0@phoenix>
Message-ID: <003e01c8f6a0$48b152c0$6101a8c0@phoenix>

Sal,

Well, of course I thought of this after I sent the message.  You can see the 
track on Google Earth (gray block below Seneca Lake, track is off to the 
left of center) and it does look like there are fewer trees than I remember 
along the back straight.  It is a late Fall/Winter view so you'll have to 
look for the barren trees to see where they are.

Greg

>
> If you are speaking to best view, unless you're sitting on a motorhome 
> most
> good spectator areas are a short distance from camping areas.  Also, if 
> you
> like to camp in the trees than B and C along the back straight is your 
> best
> bet although there are some treed areas in D and E.  Section A is pretty
> barren of trees.  If you have a motorhome to sit on top of than I would
> probably try to get as close to the sweeping turn at the end of the 
> straight
> in section F.  E and F are usually reserved camping so call ahead for 
> those
> sections.

From triumph.tr4 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 22:05:09 2008
From: triumph.tr4 at gmail.com (Scott Tilton)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:05:09 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Miata seat conversion
In-Reply-To: <000901c8f29a$7c596d60$210110ac@bobspc>
References: <8CABFB2C61CC546-105C-2739@webmail-ne02.sysops.aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0807291258500.25927@isis.mit.edu>
	<000901c8f29a$7c596d60$210110ac@bobspc>
Message-ID: <a436b5f40808042105t5ac834a5j27df5156dbfd0477@mail.gmail.com>

When I was driving my TR4 - I had some early TR6 seats in it.
The adjustable angle for the incline / recline was nice as well as having a
head rest, even if it doesn't go all the way up to my head.

The seats were in crappy condition though and so I made a jump over to Miata
seats.

The 4 is wrecked now and the TR6 is the road warrior now.
The stock 1970 seats in the 6 are in good shape, and feel very comfortable
to me, so I haven't been in a big hurry to make the conversion again.

However I will say this - The Miata seats have much better adjustment
increments.  Let's you fine tune your seating positon a little better.
I also had the grey cloth covered Miata seats - SO much better on hot days
and long trips than the black vinyl that can sear you in the sunshine or
soak you when you sweat.

Speakers would be nice.  I never hooked mine up.  Over that Ansa exhaust - I
wonder if I'd hear them anyway.

-- 
Scott Tilton

Signature below blatantly stolen from Bud Rolofson:

70TR6 CC5#### (Good 6)
63TR4 CT157## (The Wreck-Almost Parts)
64TR4 CT25### (The Project)
97F-150 L TRUCKO (Triumph Support Vehicle)
1989 Honda Prelude Si 4WS (economic commuter Vehicle)

From glccrc at ptd.net  Tue Aug  5 02:43:12 2008
From: glccrc at ptd.net (glc / crc)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:43:12 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Miata seat conversion
In-Reply-To: <a436b5f40808042105t5ac834a5j27df5156dbfd0477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080805084242.7DE3018763D@autox.team.net>

The stereo guy started wanting to put in a 10" woofer and cd changer, I just
want a pair in each headrest and a spot to hook in an iPod. Considering
changing the small speakers by the knees to 6" round for some bass.

Monza exhaust from headers- why bother with more? Amen.

Can't see a TR6 trying to impersonate a rice burner with someone half my age
driving. Don't have any Ace of Bass in my collection.

glc

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+glccrc=ptd.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+glccrc=ptd.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott
Tilton
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:05 AM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Miata seat conversion

When I was driving my TR4 - I had some early TR6 seats in it.
The adjustable angle for the incline / recline was nice as well as having a
head rest, even if it doesn't go all the way up to my head.

The seats were in crappy condition though and so I made a jump over to Miata
seats.

The 4 is wrecked now and the TR6 is the road warrior now.
The stock 1970 seats in the 6 are in good shape, and feel very comfortable
to me, so I haven't been in a big hurry to make the conversion again.

However I will say this - The Miata seats have much better adjustment
increments.  Let's you fine tune your seating positon a little better.
I also had the grey cloth covered Miata seats - SO much better on hot days
and long trips than the black vinyl that can sear you in the sunshine or
soak you when you sweat.

Speakers would be nice.  I never hooked mine up.  Over that Ansa exhaust - I
wonder if I'd hear them anyway.

-- 
Scott Tilton

Signature below blatantly stolen from Bud Rolofson:

70TR6 CC5#### (Good 6)
63TR4 CT157## (The Wreck-Almost Parts)
64TR4 CT25### (The Project)
97F-150 L TRUCKO (Triumph Support Vehicle)
1989 Honda Prelude Si 4WS (economic commuter Vehicle)
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From glccrc at ptd.net  Tue Aug  5 03:06:12 2008
From: glccrc at ptd.net (glc / crc)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 05:06:12 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Watkins Glen
In-Reply-To: <003e01c8f6a0$48b152c0$6101a8c0@phoenix>
Message-ID: <20080805090541.BAED518763D@autox.team.net>

In Sept I doubt the trees will be barren at the Glen.
We have a group of about 12, mostly Porsche owners, staying in Corning at
the Staybridge Suites
http://www.hotelguide.com/hotel/united_states/corning/staybridge_suites_corn
ing/6636001_en.html#details

We'll arrive Th night so as to be ready for the Fri AM assembly at the
museum and catch all the Marque of the Year activities.

Whomever has "The Last open Road" logos on their race and street TR's, thank
you- Got me curious, and I've just finished reading BS Levy's book, and
ordered the rest of them. Sitting on vacation reading about his first ride
with Big Al around the Glen's road course -while knowing I'd be re-tracing
their steps in a couple months- was "special". 

If you ever considered going to the vintage at the Glen, this certainly
would be the year to bring your TR, with Triumph being marque of the year.
Last year there wasn't much of a strong BMW presence when it was their year,
so I hope we do better.

Paint job is 8/11, then the interior goes from black to tan, roll bar
finally gets cushioned, new bumpers, etc. 

If anyone is in need of a decent black interior, and some bumpers that
aren't that bad, please contact me off-list. My passenger seat is decent
shape, driver's seat is shot.

George Church


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+glccrc=ptd.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+glccrc=ptd.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Dito
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:09 PM
To: salva57 at optonline.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Watkins Glen

Sal,

Well, of course I thought of this after I sent the message.  You can see the

track on Google Earth (gray block below Seneca Lake, track is off to the 
left of center) and it does look like there are fewer trees than I remember 
along the back straight.  It is a late Fall/Winter view so you'll have to 
look for the barren trees to see where they are.

Greg

>
> If you are speaking to best view, unless you're sitting on a motorhome 
> most
> good spectator areas are a short distance from camping areas.  Also, if 
> you
> like to camp in the trees than B and C along the back straight is your 
> best
> bet although there are some treed areas in D and E.  Section A is pretty
> barren of trees.  If you have a motorhome to sit on top of than I would
> probably try to get as close to the sweeping turn at the end of the 
> straight
> in section F.  E and F are usually reserved camping so call ahead for 
> those
> sections.
6pack at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack

http://www.team.net/archive

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From dncullig at us.ibm.com  Tue Aug  5 07:55:34 2008
From: dncullig at us.ibm.com (Dennis N Culligan)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:55:34 -0400
Subject: [6pack]  Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <OFC2CDF2F7.DA44A07F-ON8525749C.004A419B-8525749C.004C7FE5@us.ibm.com>

Sal wrote:
>I'm planning to drive up to the Glen this September,
>not familiar with that track, which is the best camping area?

Sal -
 There is no best - almost the entire infield and much of
the outside of the track is available for camping. You can
be trackside almost anywhere on the circuit (except for the
pits and paddock areas and turns 1 and 2).  It's a matter
of personal taste - do you want to see the cars go by at over?
a hundred miles an hour?  If so, camp along the back straight
between the Esses and the 'Bus Stop'. Want a better look - try
up on top of the Boot (tho' it can get a little rowdy up there
even on a Vintage weekend).  Other nice spots - on the infield
where the cars come up out of the boot onto the NASCAR course,
or in the woods on the uphill out of the boot, or over on Turn
5 past the 'Bus Stop'. If trackside isn't a priority, there are
lots of nice spots in the infield. Take a look at the website
(www.theglen.com) under 'Seating charts/maps' and select camping-
note that there are NO RESERVED CAMPSITES for the Vintage event -
it's all first come, first served and if you get there early to
mid-day Friday, you should be able to camp almost anywhere. Also
note that some 'trackside' sites are either low or possibly be-
hind the aarmco barriers so not all trackside sites have a clear
view of the track (but they still charge $235 for them for the
Indy car weekend and more for NASCAR). HTH.

Dennis Culligan Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U - TR6IUMPH
I'll be there (but will be 'roughing it' in a hotel).

From jmerone at rocketmail.com  Tue Aug  5 09:26:30 2008
From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Camping at The Glen
Message-ID: <789349.30531.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And if you don't want to camp right at the track, there's a great New York
State park and campground right in downtown Watkins Glen alongside the gorge. 
My wife and I have stayed there twice in the past during the vintage racing
week.  You can book it online.
 
This year we're staying at another place that's along RT.414 and the lake with
some other LBC fans.
 
Joe Merone
CF18928

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Aug  5 10:09:39 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:09:39 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Camping at The Glen
Message-ID: <cc7.3a101f71.35c9d543@cs.com>

Joe and others,

It great to hear how many Triumphs will be at The Glen.  The Western 
Pennsylvania Triumph (VTR) guys informally host our Triumph Hospitality area. It is 
open to anyone that passes by. We will be located in the paddock at one end of 
the tech barn, on grass and hard surface. Introduce yourself.

Joe Alexander
Friends of Triumph


> And if you don't want to camp right at the track, there's a great New York
> State park and campground right in downtown Watkins Glen alongside the 
> gorge. 
> My wife and I have stayed there twice in the past during the vintage racing
> week.  You can book it online.
> 
> This year we're staying at another place that's along RT.414 and the lake 
> with
> some other LBC fans.
> 
> Joe Merone
> CF18928
> 

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From krgibbon at volcano.net  Tue Aug  5 13:52:50 2008
From: krgibbon at volcano.net (Richard & Karyn Gibbon)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:52:50 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Triumphest 2008
Message-ID: <JAEGKGGOKHPAHAHPLFDKKEAIDAAA.krgibbon@volcano.net>

Hi,
This is just a reminder that Triumphest 2008 is coming up soon, just two
months away, October 2-5, South Lake Tahoe, NV.
The registration fee will increase to $75 September 1.
If you have not already registered, this is the time to do it.
We are planning a great weekend starting with the M.S.Dixie dinner/cruise on
Lake Tahoe, Autocross, Funkhana, PicTour Rallye,
Friday night 50s Birthday Party, Car Show, Tech Session, Awards Banquet, and
a lot more.
The Roadster Factory, Moss Motors, and Rimmer Bros. along with other vendors
will be present.
So, please make your reservations NOW! We take Visa & MasterCard.
Need registration & reservation info; visit "www.triumphtravelers.org" or
e-mail "krgibbon at volcano.net"
or call Rich & Karyn Gibbon 209-296-8792.

From Timbo00001 at aol.com  Tue Aug  5 16:47:23 2008
From: Timbo00001 at aol.com (Timbo00001 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:47:23 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
Message-ID: <c24.40da8986.35ca327b@aol.com>

When is the Battle of the Brits in Sterling Heights, MI?
 
 



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Read reviews on AOL Autos.      
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Aug  5 20:00:59 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:00:59 -0400
Subject: [6pack] VTR  2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!!
Message-ID: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net>

As a VTR member for almost 20 years and attending a number of these 
conventions I have to comment on my and my wifes experiences with this 
particular convention.
So far a good experience, the Detroit Club has been very accommodating. 
The events have been well planned out but they could have contacted 
local VTR members that are from the area for more information.

The reason I belong to the VTR is that I have a fondness for the mark 
and have a barn full of these cars that have been restored or need 
restoration.
What really irritates me (pisses me off) is the arrogance of some members.

I must comment that the FOT beer swap that Marty Sukey planned went 
extremely well. I and a few others brought some local and home brew that 
crowd enjoyed. I would suggest this should be a regular event at the 
triumph gatherings. So good plan Marty it was a pleasure meeting another 
FOT member and home brewer.

What really irritated us was the arrogance of one particular VTR member 
Daryl Floyd. After sucking down on the ( and mine) free beer, he had the 
nerve after waiting in line for the chili dogs to say that the empty 
table was all taken ( 16 seats and never full after that) and we 
couldn't have a place to sit for  a moment to eat our dogs.  It's 
disconcerting looking at a table with 14 empty chairs that is full 
because someone says so. There were quite a few people eating on the 
lawn due to the invisible attendants at this table.  After we left in 
disgust the table  never did fill up. We wondered if there was some 
cover charge for special VTR members. This sucks and we find it 
personally offensive.

Our money, I assume, was printed on the same press as their's and we 
should have had access to seating at this venue. I find it disgusting  
behavior when individuals act in this manner.

If the goal of these events is to promote camaraderie and the Triumph 
Mark I'm all for it.
If I have to put up with this B%%  S%%t. then I guess I'll by a Miata..

Sincerely Disgusted

Glenn Franco
3 TR6's. TR250, Spit Racer,  1500 Spit

From im_sloane at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  6 05:28:40 2008
From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:28:40 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Miata seat conversion
In-Reply-To: <BLU118-W4B2853D183A5CA832EAA58E7D0@phx.gbl>
References: <8CABFB2C61CC546-105C-2739@webmail-ne02.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU118-W4B2853D183A5CA832EAA58E7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU118-W349049FCE8BDF27E77B89E8E7A0@phx.gbl>

Miata seats to original Triumph rails via 3 ft angle-iron:

I've posted pics with descriptions at www.triumphowners.com/776.

They're working great. Write if you have any questions.

Sloane :)> > BTW, as for mounting, I took an unorthodoxed approach to the
conversion. I> fashioned a bracket to connect the Miata seats (minus the Miata
rails) to the> Triumph seat rails using a 3 ft piece of angle-iron, cut into 4
pieces.> Basically made the bottom of the Miata seat look and function like
the bottom> of the Triumph seat. It tilts forward, but of course doesn't have
a catch to> connect at the rear. Only taken one test drive, so not sure how
well the> design will hold up under extended use, but the fit seems just
right.> > Sloane :)
_________________________________________________________________
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From johncnorth at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 17:32:34 2008
From: johncnorth at gmail.com (John North)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:32:34 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV7E15FD79AD15FB0D1DC37F4780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-DAV7E15FD79AD15FB0D1DC37F4780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49f668fe0808061632i2770499awf14efe297f632ba@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the comments.   I am so sick of working the electrical
side, I decided to work on the carbs.

I topped up the dashpots with 90wt oil (which is recommended by John
Twist the MGB guru).   I noticed some improvement there.   I think I
will try the B1E needles again - these give about a 10% increase in
flow.   I did this before and didn't see any improvement, but then I
found several electrical issues that were no doubt contributing.

I did not change the jets when I did the carb rebuild, because they
did not come with the kit.   John Curto recommends having the jets at
least .120 below the deck even as much as .160 below.   Mine are .108.
 How do I move these jets?   Do I need some kind of fancy press?
Can I do it with a punch?

From tr6parts at charter.net  Wed Aug  6 18:42:20 2008
From: tr6parts at charter.net (Alan Salvatore)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:42:20 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Panasport Wheels
Message-ID: <008101c8f826$73368e20$d44a9e18@alan>

Does anyone know the backspacing on the 16 inch Panasports for the TR6?

Is it 3 1/2 or 4 inches.

Thanks

Al

From tr6taylor at webtv.net  Thu Aug  7 01:18:24 2008
From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:18:24 GMT
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV259D5A52125F1BB7D1EE8F4750@phx.gbl>

John---The jets are pressed in.To get your jets down lower than the .108 you now have, here's how:

Cut a piece of 1/8 inch thick steel stock, small enough to fit over the jet, but not so large as to touch the bushing that the jet is pressed into. (A piece of 1/8 key stock about .187 long should work nicely)
Lay this stock across the jet and tap it down with a suitable punch to where it (the key stock) is even with the top of the bridge. This will put the top of the jet at a .125 depth.

Lowering the jets will certainly allow for a richer mix, but in honesty, this "extra" depth is equivalent to about 1/2 turn on the screw adjustment that sets needle height. (Lowering the jet is akin to raising the needle, so far as the anular opening) So unless youve used up all of the needle height adjustment and still want more, this jet lowering won't give you much of a difference. 

I know you don't want to think about getting into the electricals, so here's another idea:
Since you have a performance cam, be sure the lash is set to the cam grinder's recommendation.

Let us know how you make out on all of this...

Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: John North
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 4:32 PM
To: Triumph 6 Pack
Subject: Re: [6pack] Missing under load

Thanks for all the comments.   I am so sick of working the electrical
side, I decided to work on the carbs.

I topped up the dashpots with 90wt oil (which is recommended by John
Twist the MGB guru).   I noticed some improvement there.   I think I
will try the B1E needles again - these give about a 10% increase in
flow.   I did this before and didn't see any improvement, but then I
found several electrical issues that were no doubt contributing.

I did not change the jets when I did the carb rebuild, because they
did not come with the kit.   John Curto recommends having the jets at
least .120 below the deck even as much as .160 below.   Mine are .108.
 How do I move these jets?   Do I need some kind of fancy press?
Can I do it with a punch?
6pack at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack

http://www.team.net/archive

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From acekraut11 at aol.com  Thu Aug  7 21:45:05 2008
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:45:05 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Speedo How To Guide
Message-ID: <8CAC72047C59D27-1224-1EFF@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>

 Hi Everyone,

It is inspection time for my TR6 and I am thinking it probably wont pass since the speedo doesnt work.? I know there was a pdf file of how to repair the speedo and I even downloaded and saved a copy....on the hard drive that failed awhile back.? Can someone kindly forward the link once again so I can possibly repair my speedo so I can get my car inspected? 

Thanks in advance.

Aaron


 


Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

From acekraut11 at aol.com  Thu Aug  7 22:34:07 2008
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:34:07 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Speedo How To Guide
In-Reply-To: <8CAC72047C59D27-1224-1EFF@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAC72047C59D27-1224-1EFF@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CAC72720F0B978-1224-2019@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>

 My thanks to Stan Foster and Mark Bullard who both came through with pdf files of the document.

Cheers,

Aaron


 


Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Aug  8 00:06:32 2008
From: levilevi at comcast.net (levilevi)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:06:32 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Missing under load
References: <BAY101-DAV7E15FD79AD15FB0D1DC37F4780@phx.gbl>
	<49f668fe0808061632i2770499awf14efe297f632ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c8f91c$e8a1d6a0$9d63b043@rolofson>

John,

I made a tool to set the jets at a certain depth by grounding a 3/8 inch bolt
(2 1/2" long) flat as I could get it and then double nutting the bolt to the
depth I wanted to set the jet.  I checked it at various stages of beating the
jet downward...it takes some serious and well placed blows..with a digital
caliper with a depth probe.  If you go too far you can drive the jet back the
other way with a bronze valve guide for a Honda (got mine from Apple
Hydraulics so call them for details) that fits right over the bottom of the
jet so you can pound it without destroying it.  I also used some of AH's lean
B1A needles to overcome a running rich problem at 5280 ft..  A fuel pressure
regulator made a big difference too.

Bud

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost Parts)
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71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
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  To: Triumph 6 Pack
  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [6pack] Missing under load


  Thanks for all the comments.   I am so sick of working the electrical
  side, I decided to work on the carbs.

  I topped up the dashpots with 90wt oil (which is recommended by John
  Twist the MGB guru).   I noticed some improvement there.   I think I
  will try the B1E needles again - these give about a 10% increase in
  flow.   I did this before and didn't see any improvement, but then I
  found several electrical issues that were no doubt contributing.

  I did not change the jets when I did the carb rebuild, because they
  did not come with the kit.   John Curto recommends having the jets at
  least .120 below the deck even as much as .160 below.   Mine are .108.
   How do I move these jets?   Do I need some kind of fancy press?
  Can I do it with a punch?
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From apackard68 at comcast.net  Fri Aug  8 00:24:58 2008
From: apackard68 at comcast.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:24:58 -0700
Subject: [6pack] what goes in the left footwell above the dimmer foot switch?
Message-ID: <20080808062943.2BBA0187659@autox.team.net>

Hi list:

I'm reassembling my TR250. In the driver's footwell, directly above the
dimmer switch, there's a captive speed nut but I forget what screws into it.
Can anyone help?  I thought it was the hazard flasher unit, but there's not
enough clearance for the pedal box with that there.  Thanks in advance for
the help.

Andy

From george_loriot at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  8 09:01:02 2008
From: george_loriot at hotmail.com (George Loriot)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:01:02 -0400
Subject: [6pack] blown head gasket
Message-ID: <BLU145-W224AA14DE85FB0FD5F8E4F8E740@phx.gbl>

Hi Listers,

I ask for advice from your wisdom.  Here's the story

1976 TR6, stock engine (I think)
A couple of days ago, I was warming it up at idle when the engine began to run
poorly, like missing on a cylinder.  No smoke anywhere.  Must be electrical,
since it happened so fast and there's Lucas waiting in the wings....
A quick check, everything firing ok, gas feed ok, still runs low on power.
Compression test:
140 - 140 - 130 - 15 - 15 - 120

So lucas is not at fault for once.  Must be a blown head gasket between cyls 4
and 5.  No loss of coolant, no coolant in the oil, must be only between
cylinders.
So I took the head off, and there's no real obvious break in the gasket
between 4 - 5.  There's a little more discoloration on the head between those
cylinders but not obvious to my untrained eye.  A straightedge across the head
shows less than .002 difference, about the same as on the rest of the head.
It's pretty obvious that the head has been off before which is probably why it
wasn't too hard to do.  The car has 105K miles and I've put 35K on it and the
PO didn't remove the head so it's been at least 45K miles since it was off.  I
haven't removed the valves but there's not a lot of carbon in the combustion
chambers, so they may be ok as is.

The pistons are fairly tight in the bores, ascertained by rocking them at tdc.
No ridge to speak of.  The block seems flat, or at least it's not much warped
if at all.  This is the later block with the grooves cut into the deck.  Since
it all seems ok, I'm willing to say the gasket itself went bad and replace it
and be done with it.

Do any of you know if this is a reasonable course of action?  Any ideas on
what else could be at fault?  Should the head be planed?   I'm not thinking of
raising the compression ratio, just put it back as it was, but planing it to
make it absolutely flat.  The head thickness is about 3.95 inches.  I can't
find the emails that the list sent around about the correct head thickness,
and what CR you get for different thicknesses.

More questions, if I may:  any recommendation on head gasket sets?
                                   should the head studs be replaced?
                                   should I use permatex on the head studs
into the block (3 came out when uncrewing the nuts)
                                   even if they're not replaced, should the
studs be removed and re-permatexed?
                                   no gasket cement on the head gasket
itself?

If I'm making any ridiculous errors please let me know.  You folks have come
to my rescus many times. and I really appreciate the helpful wisdom of the
list.

George Loriot
1976 TR6

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From stan.foster at hp.com  Fri Aug  8 09:16:16 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:16:16 +0000
Subject: [6pack] blown head gasket
In-Reply-To: <BLU145-W224AA14DE85FB0FD5F8E4F8E740@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU145-W224AA14DE85FB0FD5F8E4F8E740@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5981CA6D@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

George, milling the head to make it dead flat would be inexpensive as it would
just be a few thou. You could take it to your local machine shop and ask them
to measure it and they can tell you if they can improve on its flatness..

Richard Good published a chart of head thickness and compression ratio but
really you need to CC the head to get the real number.

http://www.goodparts.com/tech_docs/TR6_Compression_Ratio.html

Milling the head to 9.6:1 or so will surely liven it up and even better with a
PI-like cam..

I would personally use new head studs, washers and nuts, they are not cheap
but you don't want one to shear. The studs go in hand tight and you don't want
to use thread locker. If the studs come out when you are removing the head
that is a Good Thing in my opinion. I tend to stick with the Payen gaskets and
no gasket goop on the head gasket. I have nothing bad to say about the cheaper
gaskets and I know others use them without incident.

Follow the torque sequence and re-torque after a few hundred miles.

Stan

From tr6 at pobox.com  Fri Aug  8 09:26:02 2008
From: tr6 at pobox.com (Mark Steph)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:26:02 -0500
Subject: [6pack] [TR]  Speedo How To Guide
In-Reply-To: <8CAC72720F0B978-1224-2019@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAC72047C59D27-1224-1EFF@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CAC72720F0B978-1224-2019@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <489C658A.9010405@pobox.com>

Can you post a link to this doc?  My speedo works, but the odometer has 
been broken since about 1984.

And a followup: can you get parts for these things?  A speedometer shop 
actually disconnected the odometer as a "fix".  (I believe the original 
problem was that a PO rolled the mileage back and stripped some of the 
gears.)

acekraut11 at aol.com wrote:
>  My thanks to Stan Foster and Mark Bullard who both came through with pdf files of the document.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Aaron Cropley
> 71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
> http://www.triumphowners.com/108
> 2002 Mini Cooper S
> Topsham, Maine
> _______________________________________________

From stan.foster at hp.com  Fri Aug  8 09:30:20 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:30:20 +0000
Subject: [6pack] [TR]  Speedo How To Guide
In-Reply-To: <489C658A.9010405@pobox.com>
References: <8CAC72047C59D27-1224-1EFF@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CAC72720F0B978-1224-2019@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
	<489C658A.9010405@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5981CA81@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Mark, you will get the attachment via the direct address and the autox mailer
will strip it off for everyone else.

You can get these units repaired by outfits like Palo Alto speedometer or you
can pick them up on eBay or at shows etc.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Steph
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:26 AM
To: '6pack'
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] Speedo How To Guide

Can you post a link to this doc?  My speedo works, but the odometer has
been broken since about 1984.

And a followup: can you get parts for these things?  A speedometer shop
actually disconnected the odometer as a "fix".  (I believe the original
problem was that a PO rolled the mileage back and stripped some of the
gears.)

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of speedo repair.pdf]

From rray at neweracanning.com  Fri Aug  8 11:02:00 2008
From: rray at neweracanning.com (Rick Ray)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:02:00 -0400
Subject: [6pack] 74 Carmine for sale
Message-ID: <02a601c8f978$7a1caaf0$f302a8c0@RickRayNotebook>

I have a 74 Carmine TR6 for sale:
   
  Tan interior - excellent condition
  Monza exhaust
  Excellent top
  Red Line tires
  No rust evident anywhere

 

Please email me if you have interest.

 

Thank you, 

 

Rick Ray

rray at neweracanning.com 

From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  8 11:04:51 2008
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] off topic - Jag for sale
Message-ID: <791105.34400.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm selling my 1996 Jag XJ12. If you any of you know someone who may be
interested please reply to me off list. The car is in Central Missouri.
 
Regards,
Jim

From stan.foster at hp.com  Fri Aug  8 11:07:07 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:07:07 +0000
Subject: [6pack] [TR]  Speedo How To Guide
In-Reply-To: <489C658A.9010405@pobox.com>
References: <8CAC72047C59D27-1224-1EFF@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CAC72720F0B978-1224-2019@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
	<489C658A.9010405@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5981CAD4@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Ok, tracked down an online source for this doc:


http://www.sterlingbritishmotoringsociety.org/files/SmithSpeedoRepair.pdf



-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Steph
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:26 AM
To: '6pack'
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] Speedo How To Guide

Can you post a link to this doc?  My speedo works, but the odometer has
been broken since about 1984.

And a followup: can you get parts for these things?  A speedometer shop
actually disconnected the odometer as a "fix".  (I believe the original
problem was that a PO rolled the mileage back and stripped some of the
gears.)

acekraut11 at aol.com wrote:
>  My thanks to Stan Foster and Mark Bullard who both came through with pdf
files of the document.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> Aaron Cropley
> 71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
> http://www.triumphowners.com/108
> 2002 Mini Cooper S
> Topsham, Maine
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From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Fri Aug  8 12:10:34 2008
From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:10:34 -0400
Subject: [6pack] [TR]  Speedo How To Guide
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5981CAD4@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <8CAC72047C59D27-1224-1EFF@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com><8CAC72720F0B978-1224-2019@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com><489C658A.9010405@pobox.com>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5981CAD4@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <000301c8f982$0fd6f6f0$210110ac@bobspc>

After saving this file to my PC, I notice that it's the 3rd copy I've saved
since 2006! And Tony Rhodes wrote the article so.....Tony....would you mind
if I posted the article on my site for people to access?

Bob

Bob Danielson
1975 TR6 CF38503U
Running w/ Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+75tr6=tr6.danielsonfamily.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+75tr6=tr6.danielsonfamily.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Foster, Stan
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:07 PM
To: Mark Steph; '6pack'
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] Speedo How To Guide

Ok, tracked down an online source for this doc:


http://www.sterlingbritishmotoringsociety.org/files/SmithSpeedoRepair.pdf

From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  8 15:18:24 2008
From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Blown Head Gasket
Message-ID: <153268.8965.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

One obvious issue that I haven't seen discussed is which head gasket was on
the car? As most 6 packers know, the late model TR 6 engine has a groove
around each cylinder in the block and requires a late model gasket with a
reenforced (metal) circle around each cylinder that fits into the groove.  If
your engine had an early head gasket on it without the reenforcement
circle around each cylinder this may have contributed to early gasket
failure.  
 
Also, I don't think you need to replace the head bolts unless you are planning
on a high performance application.  I have rebuilt 3 or four engines and all I
ever do is clean the threads with a tap and dye set and reinstall.  I concur
with the suggestion that since you have the head off you might as well have it
surfaced to ensure that it is completely flat.  Since it is a late model motor
with a 7.75 to 1 compression ratio you may as well have the head milled to
whatever specs give you something close to 9.5 to 1.  It's a cheap way to
significantly improve the horsepower of your engine.
 
Mike Lunsford 1970 TR 6 (9.98 CR)

From triumph72 at juno.com  Fri Aug  8 15:43:11 2008
From: triumph72 at juno.com (triumph72 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:43:11 GMT
Subject: [6pack] Yo, Glenn...
Message-ID: <20080808.164311.18932.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>

Yo, Glenn,
IMHO, this forum is neither the time nor the place to "flame" somebody for
what you personally consider rude or arrogant actions.  If no one else
complained, than it seems that no one (other than you) had a problem w/Daryl
Floyd's actions.  By the way, the proper time to address this situation would
have been to immediately and directly approach Daryl and talk to him,
man-to-man, and not bring it into this site and air your grievance.   Call Ann
Landers.
Go 'buy' your Miata and check your use of the English language and spelling
before you hit the 'send' button...
Will you be going to the 6-PACK Trials...? See you there.
Yours in Triumphs,
Steve

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From lfm614 at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 17:24:51 2008
From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:24:51 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Yo, Glenn...
Message-ID: <80829544-1218237892-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-679342134-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Its really strange when you only get the flame back and not what caused it to begin with.  

Lou
------Original Message------
From: triumph72 at juno.com
Sender: 6pack-bounces+lfm614=aol.com at autox.team.net
To: TR-6 list
Sent: Aug 8, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: [6pack] Yo, Glenn...

Yo, Glenn,
IMHO, this forum is neither the time nor the place to "flame" somebody for
what you personally consider rude or arrogant actions.  If no one else
complained, than it seems that no one (other than you) had a problem w/Daryl
Floyd's actions.  By the way, the proper time to address this situation would
have been to immediately and directly approach Daryl and talk to him,
man-to-man, and not bring it into this site and air your grievance.   Call Ann
Landers.
Go 'buy' your Miata and check your use of the English language and spelling
before you hit the 'send' button...
Will you be going to the 6-PACK Trials...? See you there.
Yours in Triumphs,
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From tr6parts at charter.net  Fri Aug  8 18:52:58 2008
From: tr6parts at charter.net (Alan Salvatore)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:52:58 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
Message-ID: <009501c8f9ba$448f3b90$d44a9e18@alan>

Is anyone using Rota RB wheels on a TR6.

They are similar  to Panasports. They come in 16 an 17 inch.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg107/6parts/74tr6/ac60_11.jpg

I wanted to make sure of the clearence.

Thanks

Al

From george_loriot at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  8 19:50:24 2008
From: george_loriot at hotmail.com (George Loriot)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:50:24 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Blown Head Gasket
In-Reply-To: <153268.8965.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <153268.8965.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU145-W2783E1546846C81870A3E48E770@phx.gbl>

The head gasket does have the metal rings that fit into the grooves around the
cylinders.  It doesn't show much damage, if any, but it only ran about 5
minutes after the incident happened.  So not too much time to do any more
damage.  I think I'll take listers' advice and have the head milled a bit, so
it'll be surfaced flat and a little higher CR (maybe 9:1) and have a go at it.
I took out 2 valves and they look good, with no slop in the valve guides.  So
I think I'll remove the carbon from valves and chambers and use an
old-fashioned valve lapping tool to lap the seats a bit.

I'll check the compression before finishing the final assembly.  Thanks to all
who responded.

George Loriot
1976 TR6> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:18:24 -0700> From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com>
To: 6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Blown Head Gasket> > One obvious
issue that I haven't seen discussed is which head gasket was on> the car? As
most 6 packers know, the late model TR 6 engine has a groove> around each
cylinder in the block and requires a late model gasket with a> reenforced
(metal) circle around each cylinder that fits into the groove. If> your engine
had an early head gasket on it without the reenforcement> circle around each
cylinder this may have contributed to early gasket> failure. > > Also, I don't
think you need to replace the head bolts unless you are planning> on a high
performance application. I have rebuilt 3 or four engines and all I> ever do
is clean the threads with a tap and dye set and reinstall. I concur> with the
suggestion that since you have the head off you might as well have it>
surfaced to ensure that it is completely flat. Since it is a late model motor>
with a 7.75 to 1 compression ratio you may as well have the head milled to>
whatever specs give you something close to 9.5 to 1. It's a cheap way to>
significantly improve the horsepower of your engine.> > Mike Lunsford 1970 TR
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From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Sat Aug  9 18:35:17 2008
From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:35:17 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Repair Document
Message-ID: <000001c8fa80$f8836e20$210110ac@bobspc>

Tony Rhodes was kind enough to let me post his invaluable speedometer repair
document to my web site. The link is on the main page in the "Other Cool
Stuff" section with the grey colored buttons. It's about 1.5 meg in size and
require Adobe Acrobat.

Bob

Bob Danielson
1975 TR6 CF38503U
Running w/ Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 

From forzion at maine.rr.com  Sat Aug  9 18:50:32 2008
From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:50:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Speedometer Repair Document
In-Reply-To: <000001c8fa80$f8836e20$210110ac@bobspc>
References: <000001c8fa80$f8836e20$210110ac@bobspc>
Message-ID: <489E3B58.3000905@maine.rr.com>

Nice work! Thanks, Bob! AND THANKS, Tony!
I especially love those illustrations!

Dave
CF25194U+O+TBI


Bob Danielson wrote:

>Tony Rhodes was kind enough to let me post his invaluable speedometer repair
>document to my web site. The link is on the main page in the "Other Cool
>Stuff" section with the grey colored buttons. It's about 1.5 meg in size and
>require Adobe Acrobat.
>
>Bob
>
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>1975 TR6 CF38503U
>Running w/ Throttle Body Injection
>Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 21:47:15 2008
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:47:15 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Paging John Korsak
Message-ID: <081020080347.24068.489E64C2000841B800005E042205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net>

Sorry for the interruption, everyone.

John,

Please contact me off list.

Thanks,

Irv Korey

From rccpl1 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 10 05:09:54 2008
From: rccpl1 at yahoo.com (john doe)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] fuel pump
Message-ID: <583496.19039.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

having a problem with fuel pump when priming the pump can't get the gas to flow out the other side is there a minimum amount of gas needed to make it flow its brand new any help 

From trsix74 at comcast.net  Sun Aug 10 05:32:21 2008
From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:32:21 -0400
Subject: [6pack] fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <583496.19039.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <583496.19039.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c8fadc$c0fffc50$6601a8c0@Robert>

John you did not mention what you have checked so far. Sounds to me if the
pump is new, there is something blocking the flow of gas from the tank.
Often the rubber flex hoses will swell after time and cause restriction.
Start with gas in the line before the pump. Is there a natural gravity flow
of gas? Is there a secondary in line fuel filter immediately after the tank?
If so, is it filled with crap and does it need replacing? Next, with the
pump attached prime the line and check if fuel is reaching the carbs.
Sometimes the diaphragm is not linked correctly. 
I once did some fancy line installation, twisted the flex hose close to the
carbs in a pigtail fashion. With the twist I did not realize I restricted
the flow of gas and at high speeds, the float bowls ran out of gasoline.
Scary in a tunnel just outside Pittsburgh on my way back from the Vintage
Grand Prix. Lessons learned here, is keep everything as straight as possible
and make sure all short rubber connecting pieces are new. Hope this helps. 

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 10 08:23:53 2008
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:23:53 -0400
Subject: [6pack] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
Message-ID: <BAY123-W366FD863E6CBDDE03DF6A1BA760@phx.gbl>

There was a guy taking a bunch of pictures of the autocross Thursday. Go to
www.digiproofs.com and use guest password TRRiverside.  Be sure to check out
the positive camber on the black Spitfire. that must have been a handful.

Marty

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From Chip19474 at aol.com  Sun Aug 10 08:46:53 2008
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:46:53 EDT
Subject: [6pack] [TR] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
Message-ID: <c23.432670b9.35d0595d@aol.com>

Yep...that brings back memories of my '70 Spit Mark 3 at the TRF summer  
picnic autocross back in 1999 (or 2000 can't remember!).  The inside  wheel would 
lift high enough to come back down and chirp the tires - I was  a driving 
advertisement for needing a camber compensator and "what not to do" if  you're 
really serious about shaving time off of your score since precious  seconds tick 
away while your car is trying to sort out its geometry  dilemma:)
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack, PA
1976 TR6  CF57822U
 
 
In a message dated 8/10/2008 10:26:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
trmarty at hotmail.com writes:

Be sure  to check out
the positive camber on the black  Spitfire.




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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 10 10:19:29 2008
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:29 -0400
Subject: [6pack] [TR] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
In-Reply-To: <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <081020081457.9271.489F01D700039F880000243722165486869D0A07089B0A9F@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <BAY123-W5297130F05D739B7A43668BA760@phx.gbl>

FWIW, I had recently bolted one of Joe's Camber Compensators to the Spitfire I
ran in Ypsilanti.

Marty



 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:02:20 -0700
 From: spitlist at cox.net
 To: 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; Chip19474 at aol.com;
Spitfun at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; trmarty at hotmail.com; pethier at comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [TR] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures

 The good news is, I just bought 50 pieces of spring stock from which to
fabricate more camber compensators.  So there is little chance I will run out
anytime soon.

 Joe C.


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From Chip19474 at aol.com  Sun Aug 10 11:33:50 2008
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:33:50 EDT
Subject: [6pack] [TR] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
Message-ID: <cfc.3da02b31.35d0807e@aol.com>

It was definitely on the top of my "to-do" list for the Spit.  That  car was 
sooo much fun!  But a few years ago (after the TR6 restoration) I  had a 
chance to sell the car to a club member who wanted to buy it to surprise  his wife 
for her 40th birthday....so I parted with it.  She still owns it  and drives 
it regularly although I don't think she's doing any fast camber turns  with it!
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack, PA
1976 TR6  CF57822U
 
 
In a message dated 8/10/2008 12:20:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
trmarty at hotmail.com writes:

I had  recently bolted one of Joe's Camber Compensators to the Spitfire I
ran in  Ypsilanti.





**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? 
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From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 10 14:34:53 2008
From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:34:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
Message-ID: <357209.74441.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

is this the black spitfire that you were referencing??

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/spit.jpg

yikes!

Kendall


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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:23:53 AM
Subject: [6pack] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures

There was a guy taking a bunch of pictures of the autocross Thursday. Go to
www.digiproofs.com and use guest password TRRiverside.  Be sure to check out
the positive camber on the black Spitfire. that must have been a handful.

Marty

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From im_sloane at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 10 17:58:41 2008
From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:58:41 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Spin Tappets at VTR?
In-Reply-To: <357209.74441.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <357209.74441.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU118-W46AAC0CF2DB4609BA742B18E760@phx.gbl>

I read something somewhere about the new Spin Tappets CD being available at
VTR. If anybody knows of where these might be downloaded from, please let me
know, or if there is a website for purchase.

thanks,
Sloane :)
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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 08:24:40 2008
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 will not idle when hot
Message-ID: <862940.83623.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
I have been having a fairly constant problem with my 74 TR6. The car
starts from cold well and runs great but once it is fully warm it does not
like to idle. If I pull up to a stop light after the car is fully warmed up,
the idle will slowly drop and the car will stall. It seems to be worse after I
stop for a short period of time and then begin driving again.  I am not sure
if it is fuel or electrical. It is running stock carbs and a 20 year old Lucas
Sports Coil. I also recently added one of the carb heat shields which seemed
to have no effect. It does have electronic ignition. The carbs were rebuilt 15
+years ago and I have not touched them since. In every other way the car runs
great. I would love to send the carbs off of be completely rebuilt and
polished by Paltech and hope to do that over the winter,  but would like to
see if the list thinks this may be related to something else that I can try to
fix.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Robert
Robert Rudolphi 
74 TR6

From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug 11 08:34:00 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:34:00 +0000
Subject: [6pack] TR6 will not idle when hot
In-Reply-To: <862940.83623.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <862940.83623.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5981CD08@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Robert, the 74 cars have an elaborate system of vacuum tubing to control
emissions at idle. This includes the dizzy retard, the thermostatic switch in
the top hose and another widget on the rear carb whose function escapes me but
there is a little valve under there. If you have all of that intact still, it
would seem to be a good potential source of problems at idle if some part of
it is not working properly.

Also check that the points gap is correctly set to 15 thou.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert
rudolphi
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:25 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] TR6 will not idle when hot

Hi all,
I have been having a fairly constant problem with my 74 TR6. The car
starts from cold well and runs great but once it is fully warm it does not
like to idle. If I pull up to a stop light after the car is fully warmed up,
the idle will slowly drop and the car will stall. It seems to be worse after
I
stop for a short period of time and then begin driving again.  I am not sure
if it is fuel or electrical. It is running stock carbs and a 20 year old
Lucas
Sports Coil. I also recently added one of the carb heat shields which seemed
to have no effect. It does have electronic ignition. The carbs were rebuilt
15
+years ago and I have not touched them since. In every other way the car runs
great. I would love to send the carbs off of be completely rebuilt and
polished by Paltech and hope to do that over the winter,  but would like to
see if the list thinks this may be related to something else that I can try
to
fix.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Robert
Robert Rudolphi
74 TR6

From sakirsis at consolidated.net  Mon Aug 11 08:36:48 2008
From: sakirsis at consolidated.net (Steve Kirsis)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:36:48 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Heat Shield
Message-ID: <5BECFD9F1DD14216A8BEAA15F879AD97@stevekirsisPC>

I am having the same problem with my '70. I am planning to install a heat
shield. Fuel could possibly be vaporizing.

From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Aug 11 09:29:32 2008
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:29:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
References: <357209.74441.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004801c8fbc7$0da83410$0300a8c0@Desktop>

"yikes"
is not a strong enough word
Craig
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From: "Kendall Larsen" <mailkendall at sbcglobal.net>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>; "6pack List" <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures


> is this the black spitfire that you were referencing??
>
> http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/spit.jpg
>
> yikes!
>
> Kendall
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>; "triumphs at autox.team.net" 
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Rich Torres <spitfun at aol.com>; 6 Digest 
> <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:23:53 AM
> Subject: [6pack] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
>
> There was a guy taking a bunch of pictures of the autocross Thursday. Go 
> to
> www.digiproofs.com and use guest password TRRiverside.  Be sure to check 
> out
> the positive camber on the black Spitfire. that must have been a handful.
>
> Marty
>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 11 09:29:45 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:29:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
In-Reply-To: <004801c8fbc7$0da83410$0300a8c0@Desktop>
References: <357209.74441.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<004801c8fbc7$0da83410$0300a8c0@Desktop>
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Craig wrote:

> "yikes"
> is not a strong enough word
> Craig

I have vids in the "archive" of a Vitesse guy tucking BOTH rear wheels 
with them BOTH off the ground by 6 inches or more.

It wasn't the dude from Urbana-Champlain... it was the dude from GA, 
Kendall Larson, maybe?

There were still shots in TVT just after the event. That was the '96 VTR 
in ALbany.

later,
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 11 09:44:18 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:44:18 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Heat Shield
Message-ID: <d1e.2e99569c.35d1b852@cs.com>

Stuff you guys already know, but sometimes worth repeating.......

Heat Shield will not necessarily cure an existing fuel handling problem, but 
will always improve the efficiencies of engine operations.

Heat & Altitude is always an enemy. And perhaps today's fuels contribute to 
the problem.

>From the fifties, it seems that Triumph was the only British marque that did 
not have a heat shield. I suspect a cost issue of tooling, materials, and 
labor.

Stainless Steel Heat shields get even better with an air gap (double wall). 
Cold Air Boxes raise the bar even further.

Joe A


> I am having the same problem with my '70. I am planning to install a heat
> shield. Fuel could possibly be vaporizing.
> 

   </HTML>

From acekraut11 at aol.com  Mon Aug 11 10:21:29 2008
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:21:29 -0400
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Speedo
Message-ID: <8CAC9E571E7A019-1E34-C0E@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com>

 Hi Mark,

On the Fat Chance Garage web site you list a speedo available.? Do you still have it?? Is it an early speedo?? How much?

Thanks,

Aaron


 


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71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

From tpdwinch at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 15:19:22 2008
From: tpdwinch at yahoo.com (Dale)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:19:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 will not idle when hot
Message-ID: <505242.26578.qm@web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Robert 
 
You will have to provide some more information to fully access your
problem.
 
Do you still have all the original plumbing hooked up and intact?
 
What condition is the retard vacuum in on the dizzy? Disconnect it and plug
it to see if there is a difference.
 
Off the top of my head for a start there
are two things to check. First see if you can pull air through the carbon
canister going back to the fuel tank.
Second, pop the tops off the carb bodies
and see if you have any pin holes or small tears in the diaphams had open up
when warm.
 
Dale

Hi all,
I have been having a fairly constant problem with
my 74 TR6. The car
starts from cold well and runs great but once it is fully
warm it does not
like to idle. If I pull up to a stop light after the car is
fully warmed up,
the idle will slowly drop and the car will stall. It seems to
be worse after I
stop for a short period of time and then begin driving
again.  I am not sure
if it is fuel or electrical. It is running stock carbs
and a 20 year old Lucas
Sports Coil. I also recently added one of the carb
heat shields which seemed
to have no effect. It does have electronic ignition.
The carbs were rebuilt 15
+years ago and I have not touched them since. In
every other way the car runs
great. I would love to send the carbs off of be
completely rebuilt and
polished by Paltech and hope to do that over the
winter,  but would like to
see if the list thinks this may be related to
something else that I can try to
fix.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Robert
Robert Rudolphi 
74 TR6
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 11 19:13:07 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:13:07 -0500
Subject: [6pack] off topic, but what car is this???
References: <862940.83623.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c8fc1a$95bc6440$6415a8c0@garage.local>

http://www.ranteer.com/misc1/

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 11 19:59:37 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:59:37 -0500
Subject: [6pack] but what car is it???
Message-ID: <002701c8fc1f$14e5a840$6415a8c0@garage.local>

A 1991 Nissan Figaro.

See James Doh's write up on roadster design elements:

http://groups.msn.com/badroc/roadsterdesignelements.msnw

From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Aug 11 20:38:22 2008
From: levilevi at comcast.net (levilevi)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:38:22 -0600
Subject: [6pack] [TR] TR6 will not idle when hot
References: <862940.83623.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101c8fc24$7dc40640$9d63b043@rolofson>

I'll second what Stan and Dale have already pointed out about the 74 emission
system/spaghetti western of tubing.  1) it is a potential site of vacuum leaks
and 2) it does matter that its the original setup with ALL the tubing...the
carbs have a way of knowing if you're cheating.  Had 74 carbs originally
before I pulled some 71s from my parts car.  The 74s wouldn't work on the
parts car until every piece of tubing was connected...then it ran great.  Look
in the back of a Bentley to see the connections and flow of things.

Bud

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost Parts)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: robert rudolphi
  To: triumphs at autox.team.net ; 6pack at autox.team.net
  Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:24 AM
  Subject: [TR] TR6 will not idle when hot


  Hi all,
  I have been having a fairly constant problem with my 74 TR6. The car
  starts from cold well and runs great but once it is fully warm it does not
  like to idle. If I pull up to a stop light after the car is fully warmed
up,
  the idle will slowly drop and the car will stall. It seems to be worse after
I
  stop for a short period of time and then begin driving again.  I am not
sure
  if it is fuel or electrical. It is running stock carbs and a 20 year old
Lucas
  Sports Coil. I also recently added one of the carb heat shields which
seemed
  to have no effect. It does have electronic ignition. The carbs were rebuilt
15
  +years ago and I have not touched them since. In every other way the car
runs
  great. I would love to send the carbs off of be completely rebuilt and
  polished by Paltech and hope to do that over the winter,  but would like to
  see if the list thinks this may be related to something else that I can try
to
  fix.
  Thanks in advance for any assistance.
  Robert
  Robert Rudolphi
  74 TR6
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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 08:33:08 2008
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:08 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
References: <009501c8f9ba$448f3b90$d44a9e18@alan>
Message-ID: <006a01c8fc88$574cc560$0300a8c0@Desktop>

don't go with the 17" ...you have no suspension to with and you will brake 
wheels or suspension parts
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Salvatore" <tr6parts at charter.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>; "6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels


> Is anyone using Rota RB wheels on a TR6.
>
> They are similar  to Panasports. They come in 16 an 17 inch.
>
> http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg107/6parts/74tr6/ac60_11.jpg
>
> I wanted to make sure of the clearence.
>
> Thanks
>
> Al
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Aug 12 09:37:00 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:37:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
In-Reply-To: <006a01c8fc88$574cc560$0300a8c0@Desktop>
References: <009501c8f9ba$448f3b90$d44a9e18@alan>
	<006a01c8fc88$574cc560$0300a8c0@Desktop>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808121136130.7921@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Craig wrote:

> don't go with the 17" ...you have no suspension to with and you will brake
> wheels or suspension parts
> Craig

???????????????????????????????????

Huh?

rml
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From wsteinman at pogolaw.com  Tue Aug 12 09:50:52 2008
From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:50:52 -0400
Subject: [6pack] but what car is it???
In-Reply-To: <002701c8fc1f$14e5a840$6415a8c0@garage.local>
References: <002701c8fc1f$14e5a840$6415a8c0@garage.local>
Message-ID: <82A974D0BA5A5E4C85412B56F8C0D4B23EEB55@US-EXCH-VS02.US.PGFM.NET>

We saw a ton of Figaros in Japan on our trip there in February.  A very
nifty little car.




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From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:00:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Robert Lang wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Craig wrote:
>
>> don't go with the 17" ...you have no suspension to with and you will brake
>> wheels or suspension parts
>> Craig
>
> ???????????????????????????????????
>
> Huh?

I don't usually answer my own questions (except late at night in the 
garage... when I'm by myself), but Craig just dropped me a line on this 
one.

According to Craig, the amount of suspension travel on the TR6 is limited 
(full droop to full bump) and that with the combo of short suspension 
travel and small sidewalls on the wheels, there's a good chance that you 
can bottom the suspension on pot holes and the like and that when the 
supsension bottoms you either break a wheel or the suspension mounts will 
bend/break.

If you have a stock-ish suspension, there's about 6 inches of travel. If 
you have things lowered, you loose bump travel (typically) so this is 
where you're most likely going to get into trouble. But the suspension 
bottoming would happen regardless of the wheel size...

Bottom line - buy a spare wheel or get something that you can get 
replacements of/when you break one (or the tire monkey breaks one, not 
that I've ever seen that!)

Thanks for the clarification, Craig!

c ya,
rml
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From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Tue Aug 12 11:15:24 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:15:24 -0700
Subject: [6pack] TR6 will not idle when hot
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        Robert:

        The probable cause is that your temperature compensators are either
mis-adjusted or stuck. These adjust the fuel mixture based on the temperature
of the carb.  If they are not operating the mixture goes rich as the carbs
warm up. The symptom is particularly bad after the carbs have been heat soaked
by a hot motor. You shut down the car, and the flow of fresh, cool gas stops.
The heat from the exhaust manifold warms the carbs and the fuel in them, and
when you restart the car it runs very rich until the carbs cool off to a more
normal operating temperature. The mixture gets so rich that the car will idle
roughly and in extreme cases it will die.
        Do this when the engine is cold:
        1. Start by removing the covers to the compensators (Two very small
screws. Don't lose them!)
        2. Clean the compensator by squirting in a generous amount of carb
cleaner on the pintle end of the bi-metallic strip. Gently work the pintle up
and down no more than 1/16" of an inch with a small screw driver. If you lift
the pintle too far, you will bend the bi-metallic strip so be gentle.
        3. When the carb has dried, you will need to adjust the compensator.
The correct way to do it is to set it at 140F using hot water and a
thermometer. Here is a ghetto method that will get you close -
        a. Loosen the tiny Nyloc nut in the middle of the bi-metallic strip
until you observe the pintle raise slightly off its seat. Verify that it is
off its seat by depressing it gently with your finger tip and note that it
moves slightly before it stops on its seat. If it does not raise off its seat
and the Nyloc nut is loose, then the pintle is stuck (clean it again) or you
have a bad compensator.
        b. Using your fingertip, repeatedly push down (gently!) on the pintle
as you tighten the lock nut until you can no longer feel the pintle move when
you depress it. Tighten the lock nut one full turn past this point.
        c. Reinstall the cover.

        This will get you close to the correct calibration.

    Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

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From: 6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
robert rudolphi
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:25 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] TR6 will not idle when hot

Hi all,
I have been having a fairly constant problem with my 74 TR6. The car
starts from cold well and runs great but once it is fully warm it does not
like to idle. If I pull up to a stop light after the car is fully warmed up,
the idle will slowly drop and the car will stall. It seems to be worse after
I
stop for a short period of time and then begin driving again.

<snip>

Robert Rudolphi
74 TR6

From tr6parts at charter.net  Tue Aug 12 11:49:14 2008
From: tr6parts at charter.net (Alan Salvatore)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:14 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
References: <009501c8f9ba$448f3b90$d44a9e18@alan><006a01c8fc88$574cc560$0300a8c0@Desktop><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808121136130.7921@isis.mit.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808121146020.7921@isis.mit.edu>
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I have seen 17" work on a TR6.
It was a 17" Centerline Wheel with 205/50R/17 tires.

A real bad pot hole can do in any size wheel.

al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "Craig" <wensley_Tr at comcast.net>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>; "6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Rota RB wheels


> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Robert Lang wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Craig wrote:
>>
>>> don't go with the 17" ...you have no suspension to with and you will 
>>> brake
>>> wheels or suspension parts
>>> Craig
>>
>> ???????????????????????????????????
>>
>> Huh?
>
> I don't usually answer my own questions (except late at night in the
> garage... when I'm by myself), but Craig just dropped me a line on this
> one.
>
> According to Craig, the amount of suspension travel on the TR6 is limited
> (full droop to full bump) and that with the combo of short suspension
> travel and small sidewalls on the wheels, there's a good chance that you
> can bottom the suspension on pot holes and the like and that when the
> supsension bottoms you either break a wheel or the suspension mounts will
> bend/break.
>
> If you have a stock-ish suspension, there's about 6 inches of travel. If
> you have things lowered, you loose bump travel (typically) so this is
> where you're most likely going to get into trouble. But the suspension
> bottoming would happen regardless of the wheel size...
>
> Bottom line - buy a spare wheel or get something that you can get
> replacements of/when you break one (or the tire monkey breaks one, not
> that I've ever seen that!)
>
> Thanks for the clarification, Craig!
>
> c ya,
> rml
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From rclark at robertsonclark.com  Tue Aug 12 12:45:29 2008
From: rclark at robertsonclark.com (Robert N. Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:45:29 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
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Message-ID: <C602EE381BAA2B46B9210FBB5483F2814DD402@main.RSC.local>

Because a TR6 stock tire size had a substantial sidewall dimension, the
move from a 15" wheel to a 17" wheel is not that significant.  A
205/60/17 tire (if it exists) would have a sidewall height of 4.84 which
is huge by modern standards.  A 205/55/17 tire has a sidewall height of
4.43 inches.  I don't think the suspensions in our cars are that fragile
that they would not be able to handle the increase in sidewall rigidity
created by the narrower sidewall.  If they were, then I would think the
switch from rubber to urethane bushes would have a greater impact on
suspension failure due to shock.

Bob Clark
'69 TR6

From forzion at maine.rr.com  Tue Aug 12 13:23:22 2008
From: forzion at maine.rr.com (forzion at maine.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:23:22 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
Message-ID: <9050990.1426561218569002713.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web03-z02>

Looks like Tirerack offers a number of good choices of 205/55/17's but NO 205/60's. See http://snipurl.com/3fecd  

Dave
CF25194


---- "Robert N. Clark" <rclark at robertsonclark.com> wrote: 
> Because a TR6 stock tire size had a substantial sidewall dimension, the
> move from a 15" wheel to a 17" wheel is not that significant.  A
> 205/60/17 tire (if it exists) would have a sidewall height of 4.84 which
> is huge by modern standards.  A 205/55/17 tire has a sidewall height of
> 4.43 inches.  I don't think the suspensions in our cars are that fragile
> that they would not be able to handle the increase in sidewall rigidity
> created by the narrower sidewall.  If they were, then I would think the
> switch from rubber to urethane bushes would have a greater impact on
> suspension failure due to shock.
> 
> Bob Clark
> '69 TR6
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From forzion at maine.rr.com  Tue Aug 12 13:44:36 2008
From: forzion at maine.rr.com (forzion at maine.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:44:36 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
Message-ID: <31632278.1431451218570276916.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web03-z02>

Anyone know the correct backspacing for our wheels?

Dave


---- Alan Salvatore <tr6parts at charter.net> wrote: 
> I have seen 17" work on a TR6.
> It was a 17" Centerline Wheel with 205/50R/17 tires.
> 
> A real bad pot hole can do in any size wheel.
> 
> al
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> To: "Craig" <wensley_Tr at comcast.net>
> Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>; "6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Rota RB wheels
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Robert Lang wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Craig wrote:
> >>
> >>> don't go with the 17" ...you have no suspension to with and you will 
> >>> brake
> >>> wheels or suspension parts
> >>> Craig
> >>
> >> ???????????????????????????????????
> >>
> >> Huh?
> >
> > I don't usually answer my own questions (except late at night in the
> > garage... when I'm by myself), but Craig just dropped me a line on this
> > one.
> >
> > According to Craig, the amount of suspension travel on the TR6 is limited
> > (full droop to full bump) and that with the combo of short suspension
> > travel and small sidewalls on the wheels, there's a good chance that you
> > can bottom the suspension on pot holes and the like and that when the
> > supsension bottoms you either break a wheel or the suspension mounts will
> > bend/break.
> >
> > If you have a stock-ish suspension, there's about 6 inches of travel. If
> > you have things lowered, you loose bump travel (typically) so this is
> > where you're most likely going to get into trouble. But the suspension
> > bottoming would happen regardless of the wheel size...
> >
> > Bottom line - buy a spare wheel or get something that you can get
> > replacements of/when you break one (or the tire monkey breaks one, not
> > that I've ever seen that!)
> >
> > Thanks for the clarification, Craig!
> >
> > c ya,
> > rml
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From marty.tr6 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 14:02:56 2008
From: marty.tr6 at gmail.com (Marty Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:02:56 -0700
Subject: [6pack] 74 TR6 U-Joint Needs Replacement
Message-ID: <df0e1f1e0808121302t786d5974nf57e935047222d47@mail.gmail.com>

I need to replace my rear U-Joint (explains the vibrations I've been feeling
the last week). I was going to have a 4 wheel alignment done but they said
to bring it back after I fixed the U-Joint issue that they discovered. They
test drove the car and then put it on the rack and aftershowing me the
U-Joint they did a quick inspection to see if anything else obvious needed
replacement but they didn't see anything . Besides replacing the U-Joints
are there any related projects I should think about doing at the same time
without going nuts? The car is just about to turn 49,000 miles. I replaced
the rear trailing arm bushings and shocks last year.

How involved is replacing the U-Joints, I've never done this and I'm not
real experienced on working on cars? Anyone besides the big three to look at
purchasing them from?

Marty Clark
Gilbert, AZ
1974 TR6 CF17352U
http://www.triumphowners.com/798

From cregg.cowan at sri.com  Tue Aug 12 14:55:40 2008
From: cregg.cowan at sri.com (Cregg Cowan)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:40 -0700
Subject: [6pack] 74 TR6 U-Joint Needs Replacement
In-Reply-To: <df0e1f1e0808121302t786d5974nf57e935047222d47@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <df0e1f1e0808121302t786d5974nf57e935047222d47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20080812134841.06179960@mail.esd.sri.com>

I've usually taken my driveshaft and half-shafts to a local drive line shop 
that carries Spicer Hardy
(or is it Hardy Spicer?) u-joints.  They install them for a nominal fee and 
can balance your drive shaft if necessary.
It also results in less down time as compared to ordering the parts.

As regards a drive train vibration, make sure the drive shaft is 'in-phase' 
--- the yokes of the u-joints should be parallel.
I accidentally got mine 'out of phase' (yokes perpendicular to each other) 
and that resulted in a vibration/growl that I felt
through the gearshift.

Good Luck!
Cregg
73 TR6
71 TR6 Rust-o-ration

At 01:02 PM 8/12/2008, Marty Clark wrote:
>I need to replace my rear U-Joint (explains the vibrations I've been feeling
>the last week). I was going to have a 4 wheel alignment done but they said
>to bring it back after I fixed the U-Joint issue that they discovered. They
>test drove the car and then put it on the rack and aftershowing me the
>U-Joint they did a quick inspection to see if anything else obvious needed
>replacement but they didn't see anything . Besides replacing the U-Joints
>are there any related projects I should think about doing at the same time
>without going nuts? The car is just about to turn 49,000 miles. I replaced
>the rear trailing arm bushings and shocks last year.
>
>How involved is replacing the U-Joints, I've never done this and I'm not
>real experienced on working on cars? Anyone besides the big three to look at
>purchasing them from?
>
>Marty Clark
>Gilbert, AZ
>1974 TR6 CF17352U
>http://www.triumphowners.com/798
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Tue Aug 12 15:39:09 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:39:09 -0500
Subject: [6pack] 74 TR6 U-Joint Needs Replacement
In-Reply-To: <df0e1f1e0808121302t786d5974nf57e935047222d47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1KT1aB-0002SD-1a@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Goodparts have HD u-joints that stand up to my racing abuse.
I recommend replacing them all at one time.
It is a pretty extensive job to replace them so you may want to find someone
in your area that specializes in Triumphs or at least drivelines.


Mike Munson
Bowling Green, KY

http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135


I need to replace my rear U-Joint (explains the vibrations I've been feeling
the last week). I was going to have a 4 wheel alignment done but they said
to bring it back after I fixed the U-Joint issue that they discovered. They
test drove the car and then put it on the rack and aftershowing me the
U-Joint they did a quick inspection to see if anything else obvious needed
replacement but they didn't see anything . Besides replacing the U-Joints
are there any related projects I should think about doing at the same time
without going nuts? The car is just about to turn 49,000 miles. I replaced
the rear trailing arm bushings and shocks last year.

How involved is replacing the U-Joints, I've never done this and I'm not
real experienced on working on cars? Anyone besides the big three to look at
purchasing them from?

Marty Clark

From Chip19474 at aol.com  Wed Aug 13 06:20:25 2008
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:20:25 EDT
Subject: [6pack] [TR] 74 TR6 U-Joint Needs Replacement
Message-ID: <ca4.3269521e.35d42b89@aol.com>

Marty,
 
While the car is up in the air, I'd suggest checking the diff mountings and  
also checking the play in both rear wheels to be sure the rear hub bearings 
are  okay.....
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack, PA
1976 TR6  CF57822U
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/12/2008 4:03:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
marty.tr6 at gmail.com writes:

are  there any related projects I should think about doing at the same  time
without going nuts?




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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 13 11:20:21 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found 
cracks in both rear trailing arms.

I guess I need to deal with this:

http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg

I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the 
trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that 
crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I 
was installing the bushings. Yikes.

Opinions?

regards,
rml
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 12:05:52 2008
From: levilevi at comcast.net (levilevi)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:05:52 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000d01c8fd6f$3a062ea0$9d63b043@rolofson>

That's scary.  What kind of shocks are you using?  Do your bump stops actually
touch when and where they are supposed to?  Is the other TA cracked in a
similar place?  I tried putting in a shock in coil setup but didn't like it
that I'd have to add 3/4 inches of washers under the bump stop to keep from
punching out the TA where the shock and spring sit in the TA.  I'm using my
old lever arms (rebuilt to heavy duty by Apple Hy) until I decide what a
better approach is.  The ride is sure nicer than the tube shocks I had on
before.  I may try them again but I'll weld some pieces to the bottom of the
crossmember to completely box it in and also make sure that the bump stop can
do its job as designed...I think they didn't touch at all when the tube shock
reached its limit and all the torque/twisting happened to the crossmember when
the brackets were mounted.  The passenger side crossmember ripped out on my
trip to Valley Forge last year.

Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost Parts)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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  To: solo at lists.ner.org
  Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:20 AM
  Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry


  Hi,

  I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found
  cracks in both rear trailing arms.

  I guess I need to deal with this:

  http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg

  I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the
  trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that
  crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I
  was installing the bushings. Yikes.

  Opinions?

  regards,
  rml
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From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Wed Aug 13 12:12:10 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:12:10 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D1E3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

        RML:

        Looks like there was a chipped edge on the casting, and the crack
proliferated from the chip. Could it be damage incurred on the race track?
Might be good to look for other chips and sand/polish them out of the
casting.
        This *IS* one of the places that the castings are known to crack,
however. What modifications have you made to the suspension? Coil over shocks,
sway bars, etc?

        Cheers,

        Vance


    Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Robert Lang
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:20 AM
To: solo at lists.ner.org
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry

Hi,

I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found
cracks in both rear trailing arms.

I guess I need to deal with this:

http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg

I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the
trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that
crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I
was installing the bushings. Yikes.

Opinions?

regards,
rml

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 13 12:27:04 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:27:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D1E3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D1E3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Navarrette, Vance wrote:

>        RML:

Howdy.

>        Looks like there was a chipped edge on the casting, and the crack 
> proliferated from the chip. Could it be damage incurred on the race 
> track? Might be good to look for other chips and sand/polish them out of 
> the casting.

I have to be honest - I have no idea where the ding came from. I just 
haven't been watching that closely. That said, I don't recall that the 
crack was there in MAR when I installed the nylatron bushings.

A agree with the sand/polish thing. Maybe on the replacements.

:-)

>        This *IS* one of the places that the castings are known to crack, 
> however. What modifications have you made to the suspension? Coil over 
> shocks, sway bars, etc?

I know they break there and also where the shock mounts (behind the hub 
carrier). But this is not a radical suspension.

I have Triumphtune "Sprint" springs (roughly 600 lbs), with a spacer (the 
springs are REALLY short), rebuilt lever shocks (apple hydraulics HD), 
goodparts swaybar and goodparts nylatron and adjustable camber brackets. I 
ran the car through the entire suspension range checking for binding and 
there is none and the upper and lower bump stops function as designed 
except that upper bump rubber is re-shaped and the upper bump stop is 
moved up about 1/2"

It's not very radical... most of the lowering comes from tire profile 
(23x9x15 slix)!

>        Cheers,
>
>        Vance

regards,
rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 13 13:01:56 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:01:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131417350.23144@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D1E3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131417350.23144@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131432340.23144@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Robert Lang wrote:

> It's not very radical... most of the lowering comes from tire profile
> (23x9x15 slix)!

Note - these tires are insanely sticky. I pick up 1/2 pound of gravel 
driving around the paddock on each tire when they are warm/hot.

So we could be just seeing a combo of very high CoF and higher than usual 
bending moments... it's possible the ding on the driver's side was a piece 
of the casting breaking away, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

>>        Cheers,
>>
>>        Vance

regards,
rml
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From tpdwinch at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 13 15:20:25 2008
From: tpdwinch at yahoo.com (Dale)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:20:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
Message-ID: <45288.40643.qm@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob
Have you looked into the coilovers that Tony from Ratco sell? 
With that
said I don't know if you would run into a more servere bump stop problem.
I
have his setup on my driver because I have never liked the idea of the shock
on the trailing arm so far out.
I have seen the result in another TR6 when the
shock on the arm breaks.
Just a thought.  Dale



----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "Navarrette, Vance"
<vance.navarrette at intel.com>
Cc: "6pack at autox.team.net" <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:01:56 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Race Car
Quandry

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Robert Lang wrote:

> It's not very radical...
most of the lowering comes from tire profile
> (23x9x15 slix)!

Note - these
tires are insanely sticky. I pick up 1/2 pound of gravel 
driving around the
paddock on each tire when they are warm/hot.

So we could be just seeing a
combo of very high CoF and higher than usual 
bending moments... it's possible
the ding on the driver's side was a piece 
of the casting breaking away, but
I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

>>        Cheers,
>>
>>        Vance
regards,
rml
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From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Wed Aug 13 15:57:21 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:57:21 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131432340.23144@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D1E3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
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Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D3EF@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

        RML:

        Given that the crack originates (seemingly) on the lower side of the
casting, and given that it originates between the hub and the shock, a
hypothesis is that it is cracking because;

        The spring is too strong;

                or

        rebound damping is excessive;

                or

        both.

        The crack originates on the bottom of the arm, implying that there is
a bending force being applied to the arm near the crack. The bending force is
such that the lower edge of the arm is in tension, and the upper edge is in
compression. The only time that will happen is during rebound. Under those
conditions the spring is trying to force the arm down, while the shock is
resisting with a net result of a bending force on the arm.
        Unfortunately, the damping must be matched to the spring rate for
optimum handling. If there is too much damping, then the answer may be as
simple as going to standard shocks. If it is correctly matched to the spring
rate, then you must reduce both the spring rate and the rebound damping to
maintain control of the suspension, at the expense of increased body roll when
cornering.
        If that is not acceptable, then you will need to MIG weld some
additional aluminum to the bottom edge to increase it's strength - and inspect
regularly for cracks.

        Just some random thoughts.

        Vance


      Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:02 PM
To: Navarrette, Vance
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Race Car Quandry

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Robert Lang wrote:

> It's not very radical... most of the lowering comes from tire profile
> (23x9x15 slix)!

Note - these tires are insanely sticky. I pick up 1/2 pound of gravel
driving around the paddock on each tire when they are warm/hot.

So we could be just seeing a combo of very high CoF and higher than usual
bending moments... it's possible the ding on the driver's side was a piece
of the casting breaking away, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

>>        Cheers,
>>
>>        Vance

regards,
rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 13 20:33:19 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:33:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D3EF@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D1E3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131417350.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131432340.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D3EF@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808132148340.30955@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Good theory, however the crack is actually on the outer flat between the 
hub carrier and the spring pan. That said - I am running springs that are 
roughly 600 pounds, so they are pretty stiff. The shocks are Armstrong 
levers with the Apple Hydraulics HD option (in essence a stiffer shock on 
both compression and rebound.) I have no shock numbers, but I'm pretty 
confident that they are pretty closely matched to the springs.

I hve run the driver side suspension through the entire motion range and 
there is binding no anywhere. It's smooth as butter.

There is no evidence of a hard compression (to the upper bump stop) and 
I'm 100% sure the shock isn't binding.

I'm currently thinking that the trailing arm took a shot on that lower 
edge sometime in an earlier life that left a chip or ding or something. 
Interestingly, I have only two spare t/a's and one has marks right where 
this crack is located on the lowere edge. It alsmost looks like toothmarks 
from a floor jack.

The one thing that has me thinking otherwise is that the other trailing 
arm has a similar crack that is much newer and much shorter (may .5 inch 
total length).

I'm going to try to TIG 'em up with some reinforcement and keep and eye on 
it while I prep the replacements... because of the Corvair hubs, there's 
quite a bit of fettling to get everthing to fit. I also want to bead 
blast the new ones so I can do a real crack test on them to be sure 
that they are servicable.

But I'm playing with my cars and that's fun!

regards,
rml
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From stan.foster at hp.com  Thu Aug 14 08:01:51 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:01:51 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with Webers
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56E39@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

My understanding of the AR valve is that it lowers the pressure in the
Stromberg carbs to cut the fuel supply to the engine. After the Weber DCOE
conversion I no longer have connections into the carbs so the AR valve just
has its original  connections to the inlet manifold via the banjo that also
connects the servo and to the canister.

Am I correct that the AR valve is at this point serving no purpose ?

The reason I ask is twofold, one is if the valve is doing nothing I will
remove it and second, I'm having a problem with running on and if there is a
way to make this valve more effective with the Weber carbs I'm interested in
ideas/suggestions.

Stan

From 75teer6 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 08:44:29 2008
From: 75teer6 at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:44:29 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
 Webers
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56E39@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56E39@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <83dfea6b0808140744n4129cfb5h5b65bb4aa6c4cde9@mail.gmail.com>

Stan,

I also have triple DCOE's and I am looking forward to the responses. I
also have problems with running-on and would like to find a solution.

The hose of my Anti-Run-on valve is not connected, and the electrical
not connected either at this time.

You mention:
" ...  so the AR valve just has its original  connections to the inlet
manifold via the banjo that also connects the servo and to the
canister"

Where is it connected to the canister, which outlet connection?

I had considered connecting the AR valve to the banjo on the manifold
but your comments indicate that it does not stop running-on. I suppose
that all it does is lean the fuel mixture a bit but not enough to stop
the running-on. I was hesitant to connect the AR Valve to the banjo in
case the valve leaked and caused a lean mixture to the engine.

Henri



On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Foster, Stan <stan.foster at hp.com> wrote:
> My understanding of the AR valve is that it lowers the pressure in the
> Stromberg carbs to cut the fuel supply to the engine. After the Weber DCOE
> conversion I no longer have connections into the carbs so the AR valve just
> has its original  connections to the inlet manifold via the banjo that also
> connects the servo and to the canister.
>
> Am I correct that the AR valve is at this point serving no purpose ?
>
> The reason I ask is twofold, one is if the valve is doing nothing I will
> remove it and second, I'm having a problem with running on and if there is a
> way to make this valve more effective with the Weber carbs I'm interested in
> ideas/suggestions.
>
> Stan
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From stan.foster at hp.com  Thu Aug 14 09:02:46 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:02:46 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
 Webers
In-Reply-To: <83dfea6b0808140744n4129cfb5h5b65bb4aa6c4cde9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56E39@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<83dfea6b0808140744n4129cfb5h5b65bb4aa6c4cde9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56E6E@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Henri, the AR valve has a narrow tube that goes to the banjo on the manifold
and on the opposite side has a larger diameter tube the goes into a port on
the bottom of the canister with a short piece of U shaped hose.

I got a note from Vance confirming that the valve is useless in this
application, I hope he doesn't mind me re-posting the body of that message
here:

<snip>

        You are correct, the anti-run on valve is now doing space research.

        If you are having run on, try hooking the valve up to your Webers. The
float bowls are vented to atmosphere somewhere. Drill/tap the vent hole and
hook it up to your AR valve.
        The valve works by applying vacuum to the float bowl. This in turn
prevents air pressure from pushing the fuel out through the jet.
        If you don't want to mess with your Webers, there is a Rover valve
that be hooked to your booster vacuum line, part number ADU9535. Available
from Moss Europe last time I checked.

</snip>


-----Original Message-----
From: Henri Lefebvre [mailto:75teer6 at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:44 AM
To: Foster, Stan
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
Webers

Stan,

I also have triple DCOE's and I am looking forward to the responses. I
also have problems with running-on and would like to find a solution.

The hose of my Anti-Run-on valve is not connected, and the electrical
not connected either at this time.

You mention:
" ...  so the AR valve just has its original  connections to the inlet
manifold via the banjo that also connects the servo and to the
canister"

Where is it connected to the canister, which outlet connection?

I had considered connecting the AR valve to the banjo on the manifold
but your comments indicate that it does not stop running-on. I suppose
that all it does is lean the fuel mixture a bit but not enough to stop
the running-on. I was hesitant to connect the AR Valve to the banjo in
case the valve leaked and caused a lean mixture to the engine.

Henri

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Aug 14 09:37:34 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:37:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
 Webers
In-Reply-To: <83dfea6b0808140744n4129cfb5h5b65bb4aa6c4cde9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56E39@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<83dfea6b0808140744n4129cfb5h5b65bb4aa6c4cde9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808141133580.1099@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

running on only happens when you have fuel that can still flow into the 
intake tract... on my race car, I kill the fuel pump and run the motor at 
2k to drop the fuel bowls down a tad and then shut the motor off. No 
run-on EVER.

But the fuel may be a red herring. Make sure that your plugs aren't too 
hot, as a hot plug may retain enough heat to "glow" a bit and that would 
promote run-on as an ignition source. I don't know how to read plugs 
precisely, but a plug that is WHITE is probably too hot.

I know you're running the NGK BP7's - do you have any 6's to try to see if 
that helps?

rml
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From rpeglow at optonline.net  Thu Aug 14 12:47:46 2008
From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:47:46 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
 Webers
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56E39@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<83dfea6b0808140744n4129cfb5h5b65bb4aa6c4cde9@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808141133580.1099@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000401c8fe3e$3e19ba00$23f37b45@gpcorporate.com>

F W I W I had run-on on a '70 TR6 with the Stromberg's. I have not checked
compression.
Timing is correct, plugs are gapped correct. I also use 10% ethanol blend
gas, no choice there.
I went to premium fuel problem is gone.
Regard,
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From im_sloane at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 14 09:55:01 2008
From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:55:01 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
 Webers
Message-ID: <BLU118-W18669584DBEAB45DC337028E720@phx.gbl>

You know, my 69 has developed this same problem, but it's so old I try not to
expect too much. However, I have put it on an 87 octane diet since the prices
tripled+. I used to pump '89-plus' and I don't recall having the problem. I
suppose I can afford the 'luxury' of going back up.

YMMV,
Sloane :)
69-Six - everything old and stock. > > F W I W I had run-on on a '70 TR6 with
the Stromberg's. I have not checked> compression.> Timing is correct, plugs
are gapped correct. I also use 10% ethanol blend> gas, no choice there.> I
went to premium fuel problem is gone.> Regard,> Bob
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From lfm614 at aol.com  Thu Aug 14 12:01:52 2008
From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:01:52 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced
 withWebers
Message-ID: <1775444045-1218736923-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1380654914-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I've always run mine on 87 with no problems but I heard of others switching having to adjust timing for the new octane to get the car to run right. 

Lou
------Original Message------
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To: TR-6 list
Sent: Aug 14, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced withWebers

You know, my 69 has developed this same problem, but it's so old I try not to
expect too much. However, I have put it on an 87 octane diet since the prices
tripled+. I used to pump '89-plus' and I don't recall having the problem. I
suppose I can afford the 'luxury' of going back up.

YMMV,
Sloane :)
69-Six - everything old and stock. > > F W I W I had run-on on a '70 TR6 with
the Stromberg's. I have not checked> compression.> Timing is correct, plugs
are gapped correct. I also use 10% ethanol blend> gas, no choice there.> I
went to premium fuel problem is gone.> Regard,> Bob
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From tr6taylor at webtv.net  Thu Aug 14 13:00:41 2008
From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:00:41 GMT
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
 Webers
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV8BC95B9A2367982D5E9CBF4720@phx.gbl>

I'm not familiar enough with the Weber to know if there is a way to connect the AR valve to their float bowls. But if run-on is a major problem, take a look at Roger Williams book on "How to Improve....." and you'll see a note on connecting an aftermarket valve to the intake manifold. Looks like they can be sourced from England. From what I can gather, turning off the ign. opens a solenoid, which vents to atmosphere. No suction, no run-on.

Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: Henri Lefebvre
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:44 AM
To: Foster, Stan
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with Webers

Stan,

I also have triple DCOE's and I am looking forward to the responses. I
also have problems with running-on and would like to find a solution.

The hose of my Anti-Run-on valve is not connected, and the electrical
not connected either at this time.

You mention:
" ...  so the AR valve just has its original  connections to the inlet
manifold via the banjo that also connects the servo and to the
canister"

Where is it connected to the canister, which outlet connection?

I had considered connecting the AR valve to the banjo on the manifold
but your comments indicate that it does not stop running-on. I suppose
that all it does is lean the fuel mixture a bit but not enough to stop
the running-on. I was hesitant to connect the AR Valve to the banjo in
case the valve leaked and caused a lean mixture to the engine.

Henri



On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Foster, Stan <stan.foster at hp.com> wrote:
> My understanding of the AR valve is that it lowers the pressure in the
> Stromberg carbs to cut the fuel supply to the engine. After the Weber DCOE
> conversion I no longer have connections into the carbs so the AR valve just
> has its original  connections to the inlet manifold via the banjo that also
> connects the servo and to the canister.
>
> Am I correct that the AR valve is at this point serving no purpose ?
>
> The reason I ask is twofold, one is if the valve is doing nothing I will
> remove it and second, I'm having a problem with running on and if there is a
> way to make this valve more effective with the Weber carbs I'm interested in
> ideas/suggestions.
>
> Stan
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From triumph.tr4 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 17:04:11 2008
From: triumph.tr4 at gmail.com (Scott Tilton)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:04:11 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808132148340.30955@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D1E3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131417350.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131432340.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D3EF@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808132148340.30955@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <a436b5f40808141604i175dc112g186d453d5e5015f6@mail.gmail.com>

What Vance said seems to make sense, even if the crack is between the hub
carrier and the spring pan.

Take the situation where the trailing arm has compressed the spring and the
shock has finally halted upward movement (of the arm and wheel)
Everything then starts moving back downward again.  The spring is compressed
and is pushing down on the middle of the trailing arm with a lot of force.
(as it always is)    The shock is way out there at the far tip of the
trailing arm and is going to be exerting a force upward at that point.
(resisting the downward motion during rebound)
So the portion of the trailing arm between the spring and the shock mounting
point is going to be stressed in such a way that the bottom edge of the
trailing arm is going to be in tension - and so would crack just like is
shown in your picture.

During rebound - the stronger the spring constant and/or more amount of
shock damping - the more stress the trailing arm is going to see.
Just like Vance says.

Hitting the upper bump stop wouldn't make a crack like the one you have
there.
Even if you removed the shock completely and hit the upper bump stop very
hard.  It is going to transmit force down around the hub carrier and if
anything - will start a crack in the opposite direction.

If you hit the lower bump stop really hard, you could start the crack like
you have though.
(which is the same thing as running out of travel on a tube shock conversion
- a sudden, drastic increase in the upward force out there at the tip where
the shock mount is.)

Playing devil's advocate - I suppose if you had a really stiff spring and a
really weak shock - you could start that crack during compression.  It'd
have to happen by hitting a pretty hard bump and jolting the suspension
though - (made worse if the hit happens with the suspension already
compressed.)

For my two cents - the chipped arm causing a stress riser was the real
problem.  Stress risers really have a dramatic effect on things.

If it is a know weak point - then my question is - why not reinforce it even
on the new arm you install?


-- 
Scott Tilton
(Signature below blatantly stolen from Bud Rolofson:)

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63TR4 CT157## (The Wreck-Almost Parts)
64TR4 CT25### (The Project)
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1989 Honda Prelude Si 4WS (economic commuter Vehicle)

From triumph.tr4 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 17:23:31 2008
From: triumph.tr4 at gmail.com (Scott Tilton)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:23:31 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Race Car Quandry
In-Reply-To: <a436b5f40808141604i175dc112g186d453d5e5015f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131315360.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D1E3@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131417350.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808131432340.23144@isis.mit.edu>
	<4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572EA2D3EF@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808132148340.30955@isis.mit.edu>
	<a436b5f40808141604i175dc112g186d453d5e5015f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a436b5f40808141623s732dbe84kd50ed98cc6d62af6@mail.gmail.com>

Actually - the more I think about it . .  . the more I think the TR trailing
arm suspension has a lot of merits.
I can't comment on the geometry of it - but having the shock act way out
there on the tip and the bump stops located as they are makes a lot of
sense.

The amount of leverage you get at the shock mounting point on and IRS TR is
great.  It means you shock doesn't have to be as stiff to get the same
results.  (the lever arm setup also does a good job of allowing clearance
for wheels and tires and stuff too)

Switching to a shock inside the coil spring means that you've got to have a
hell of a stiff shock since it is acting with so much shorter of a torque
arm.   also - that part of the trailing arm - the spring pan - is going to
see a lot more localized forces acting in different directions than it was
designed to see.

I think this leverage factor is what goes wrong with some tube shock
conversions....  When I put the KYB's on my car - they were way too stiff to
drive around on (for my taste).  I don't know what the intended application
is for those KYB shocks is - but I wouldn't be surprised if it were a
suspension with the shock inside the coil spring.  (I mean - they may fit
and have the right range of travel - but surely they weren't designed and
spec'd by KYB to go on an IRS TR tube shock conversion kit.

I switched to adjustable Spax - I still haven't ironed them out completely -
but if I dial them up to mid range (13 of 27 clicks)  - they will be too
stiff.  If that spax shock were on some other car that located it inside a
coil spring - it might need to use the upper (stiffer) half of its range.

Okay - done typing.  I'm about to jump on a plane headed to Denver.

See ya

Scott

From jsvannorman at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 19:47:32 2008
From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:47:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Armrest question
Message-ID: <d8ff30d40808141847ib1b63afn65b4ede8fce0424c@mail.gmail.com>

I installed one of those JC Whitney armrests back in the winter and
the thing has already broken (cheap plastic hinges).  I can't find it
in the archives, but I seem to remember reading that the armrest from
a Spitfire will fit on a TR6.  Can anyone confirm that?

John V.

From stan.foster at hp.com  Thu Aug 14 22:08:27 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:08:27 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
 Webers
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV8BC95B9A2367982D5E9CBF4720@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-DAV8BC95B9A2367982D5E9CBF4720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56FE3@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Well spotted Dick ( *1 sorry, couldn't resist, it's a British car forum after
all..). Vance had also identified that part earlier today in a reply to my
original post:

> Rover valve that can be hooked to your booster vacuum line, part number
ADU9535.

Unfortunately this part doesn't seem to be available at this time from the
usual UK sources.

Stan


*1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: Sally or Dick Taylor [mailto:tr6taylor at webtv.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:01 PM
To: 75teer6 at gmail.com; Foster, Stan
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Anti-run on valve after Strombergs are replaced with
Webers

I'm not familiar enough with the Weber to know if there is a way to connect
the AR valve to their float bowls. But if run-on is a major problem, take a
look at Roger Williams book on "How to Improve....." and you'll see a note on
connecting an aftermarket valve to the intake manifold. Looks like they can be
sourced from England. From what I can gather, turning off the ign. opens a
solenoid, which vents to atmosphere. No suction, no run-on.

Dick

From brian at asmoothmove.biz  Fri Aug 15 12:02:02 2008
From: brian at asmoothmove.biz (Brian J. Alwin)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:02:02 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Jacking Point and Instructions
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5AF56FE3@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c8ff01$05ed0a10$2f01a8c0@BriansNotebook>

Dear List:

After the Nats I experienced a flat tire and had to use my TR-6's jack for
the first time. Problem was, I had never used it before and had no idea
where it was supposed to go under the car! I ended up using it under the
shock mounting boss on the rear control arm. Can anyone tell me where the
jack points are and if there is supposed to be an instruction sticker on the
boot lid?

Many thanks!

Brian J. Alwin
Minnesnowta
1972 TR-6 CC79085

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 15 12:21:30 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Jacking Point and Instructions
In-Reply-To: <000f01c8ff01$05ed0a10$2f01a8c0@BriansNotebook>
References: <000f01c8ff01$05ed0a10$2f01a8c0@BriansNotebook>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808151419320.4609@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Brian J. Alwin wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> After the Nats I experienced a flat tire and had to use my TR-6's jack for
> the first time. Problem was, I had never used it before and had no idea
> where it was supposed to go under the car! I ended up using it under the
> shock mounting boss on the rear control arm. Can anyone tell me where the
> jack points are and if there is supposed to be an instruction sticker on the
> boot lid?

USE THE JACK ANYWHERE ON THE FRAME.

I tend to use the flat sections under the doors. The rear frame "turns up" 
and is not a good place to jack unless you like to have the car fall off 
the jack!

I believe the owner manual has a diagram of the jacking points.

> Many thanks!
>
> Brian J. Alwin
> Minnesnowta
> 1972 TR-6 CC79085

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From TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com  Fri Aug 15 16:06:56 2008
From: TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com (TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:06:56 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Seat Belts
Message-ID: <cf8.3d0859cb.35d75800@aol.com>

At the VTR in Ypsilanti recently I noticed several TR6's with updated seat  
belts. The previous owner removed my shoulder belt, so I'm interested in which  
of the Big 3 I should purchase from. Also several had a "shoulder pad" with  
TRIUMPH embroidered on it. Does anyone know the source for it?
 
Thanks
Doug



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From stan.foster at hp.com  Fri Aug 15 16:55:43 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:55:43 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Seat Belts
In-Reply-To: <cf8.3d0859cb.35d75800@aol.com>
References: <cf8.3d0859cb.35d75800@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5CF88590@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Doug, this is only relevant if we are talking about inertia reel belts but
after trying the Securon belts I did considerable research to find a belt that
looked right, that spooled freely and fit into the original seat belt parkers.
Properties that the Securon belts that I was using never exhibited. At VTR
last year I saw a TR6 with belts that met my criterion and it turns out that
they came from Kai Radicke of Wishbone Classics. Kai later told me that he had
researched these belts to come up with the winning combination. I have these
in my TR6 now and they work great. I had to make one additional modification
to the plastic cover that snaps over the bolt on the wheel arch as it was
interfering with the belt and needed trimming.

Kai's belts are not cheap (circa $110 per side plus shipping) but in addition
to being good quality, working correctly and looking correct in the TR6 (stalk
length etc) they cut down on the complaints from the passenger seat
considerably as my wife hated the Securon belts and never hesitated to remind
me!.

I can post pictures if needed.

Stan



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TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:07 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Seat Belts

At the VTR in Ypsilanti recently I noticed several TR6's with updated seat
belts. The previous owner removed my shoulder belt, so I'm interested in
which
of the Big 3 I should purchase from. Also several had a "shoulder pad" with
TRIUMPH embroidered on it. Does anyone know the source for it?

Thanks
Doug



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From sbeaulieu at caci.com  Fri Aug 15 17:19:23 2008
From: sbeaulieu at caci.com (Stephen Beaulieu)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:19:23 -0400
Subject: [6pack] (no subject)
Message-ID: <OFC0B26200.627C1D79-ON852574A6.00801E59-852574A6.00801E59@caci.com>

I will be out of the office starting  08/15/2008 and will not return until 08/18/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return.

From pbeckman at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 15 20:24:41 2008
From: pbeckman at ameritech.net (Phil Beckman)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:24:41 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Another seat belt question
Message-ID: <2C52974DEF9D44B1A96329E6C10635A9@office.CM.NET>

Saw the last message about replacement seat belts and that triggers a question
I've had for a while.

I've often considered replacing the belts in my car and the ones Stan
mentioned sound great.  Only one problem.

When I restored my TR6 many years ago now I ended up throwing away the body
and purchasing a new, rust-free body from Texes because the existing body
turned out to be more rust than metal.  The problem I encountered is that the
new body came from a '69 TR6 which never had the inertial type belts.  That
meant no lower mounting hole for the inertial reel.  I put in old fashioned 3
point belts that adjust manually but I've never liked them because they're
such a pain to adjust, especially for a passenger who is expecting modren
retractable belts.

Has anyone ever mounted inertial type belts in a body that wasn't originally
fitted with inertial type belts?  How difficult would that be?  I have to
think it would involve welding a reinforcing plate of some sort down low where
the inertial reel would mount.

From pbeckman at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 15 20:38:31 2008
From: pbeckman at ameritech.net (Phil Beckman)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:38:31 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
Message-ID: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>

So, I'm heading down to central Indiana in a couple weeks for a get together
with some old friends and I'm thinking of taking the TR6.  Chicago to Central
Indiana is only a few hundred miles each way but I haven't driven it any
significant distance for a number of years so I'm thinking I should spend some
time making sure its up for the trip.

My list of things to check is:

- U-Joint health
- Points, plugs, timing, etc
- Belts, hoses, etc
- Oil level in the diff and tranny
- Take a look at the condition of the rear hubs

Things I know are fine
- Brakes were done recently as was the master cylinder and clutch hydraulics.
- Radiator was cleaned and restored this past spring
- Oil was, of course, changed in spring
- Carbs are in fine shape
- Tires are fine

Been a long time since I took this car on a road trip.  What am I missing?

Phil Beckman
Libertyville, IL
'73 TR6

From davidaschenck at comcast.net  Fri Aug 15 20:51:10 2008
From: davidaschenck at comcast.net (David A. Schenck)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:51:10 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Propshaft
Message-ID: <20080816024924.C7734187881@autox.team.net>

Does anyone know if you can obtain the retaining ring and cork seal that is
inside the "cap" that holds the sliding yoke to rest of the shaft?  I see
new propshafts but don't see any separate components.

 

Thanks,

 

Dave

 

Towson, MD

TR250

From tpdwinch at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 06:36:56 2008
From: tpdwinch at yahoo.com (Dale)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:36:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Another seat belt question
Message-ID: <556417.86125.qm@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Phil
TRF used to sell a kit to convert pre reel cars. Basicaly it was a nut
and bolt with a large square washer.
No big deal. All you need is the
dimensions of the mounting points and you can adapt it to your car.
Dale
----- Original Message ----
From: Phil Beckman <pbeckman at ameritech.net>
To:
6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:24:41 PM
Subject:
[6pack] Another seat belt question

Saw the last message about replacement
seat belts and that triggers a question
I've had for a while.

I've often
considered replacing the belts in my car and the ones Stan
mentioned sound
great.  Only one problem.

When I restored my TR6 many years ago now I ended
up throwing away the body
and purchasing a new, rust-free body from Texes
because the existing body
turned out to be more rust than metal.  The problem
I encountered is that the
new body came from a '69 TR6 which never had the
inertial type belts.  That
meant no lower mounting hole for the inertial
reel.  I put in old fashioned 3
point belts that adjust manually but I've
never liked them because they're
such a pain to adjust, especially for a
passenger who is expecting modren
retractable belts.

Has anyone ever mounted
inertial type belts in a body that wasn't originally
fitted with inertial type
belts?  How difficult would that be?  I have to
think it would involve welding
a reinforcing plate of some sort down low where
the inertial reel would mount.
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From glccrc at ptd.net  Sat Aug 16 07:23:20 2008
From: glccrc at ptd.net (glc / crc)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:23:20 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
In-Reply-To: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>
Message-ID: <12188931207827866@pm9.mailnet.ptd.net>

My wife upgraded our AAA membership to Gold Level so we have a longer towing
radius if the differential goes out again.

glc

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+glccrc=ptd.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+glccrc=ptd.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Beckman
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:39 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Road trip

So, I'm heading down to central Indiana in a couple weeks for a get together
with some old friends and I'm thinking of taking the TR6.  Chicago to
Central
Indiana is only a few hundred miles each way but I haven't driven it any
significant distance for a number of years so I'm thinking I should spend
some
time making sure its up for the trip.

My list of things to check is:

- U-Joint health
- Points, plugs, timing, etc
- Belts, hoses, etc
- Oil level in the diff and tranny
- Take a look at the condition of the rear hubs

Things I know are fine
- Brakes were done recently as was the master cylinder and clutch
hydraulics.
- Radiator was cleaned and restored this past spring
- Oil was, of course, changed in spring
- Carbs are in fine shape
- Tires are fine

Been a long time since I took this car on a road trip.  What am I missing?

Phil Beckman
Libertyville, IL
'73 TR6
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From stan.foster at hp.com  Sat Aug 16 07:26:44 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:26:44 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
In-Reply-To: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>
References: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5CF885B3@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Phil, a few additional thoughts..


AAA or similar breakdown insurance
Make sure the wipers and washers work, especially if you tend to normally
avoid using the car on rainy days
Make sure the hazard lights work and that the blinkers still work after you
test the hazards
If you anticipate cold periods make sure the heater valve works and doesn't
rupture when you open/close it. You should always have a spare valve in the
trunk.

I love road trips in the TR, have fun.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Beckman
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:39 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Road trip

So, I'm heading down to central Indiana in a couple weeks for a get together
with some old friends and I'm thinking of taking the TR6.  Chicago to Central
Indiana is only a few hundred miles each way but I haven't driven it any
significant distance for a number of years so I'm thinking I should spend
some
time making sure its up for the trip.

My list of things to check is:

- U-Joint health
- Points, plugs, timing, etc
- Belts, hoses, etc
- Oil level in the diff and tranny
- Take a look at the condition of the rear hubs

Things I know are fine
- Brakes were done recently as was the master cylinder and clutch hydraulics.
- Radiator was cleaned and restored this past spring
- Oil was, of course, changed in spring
- Carbs are in fine shape
- Tires are fine

Been a long time since I took this car on a road trip.  What am I missing?

Phil Beckman
Libertyville, IL
'73 TR6

From tr250 at mindspring.com  Fri Aug 15 08:48:25 2008
From: tr250 at mindspring.com (Mark Walker)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:48:25 -0400
Subject: [6pack] 6-Pack Trials
Message-ID: <000301c8fee5$f8dce090$ea96a1b0$@com>

Plans are close to final and details are being worked out for the 2008
Trials in Townsend, TN  September 11, 12, 13.  The glitch I missed (not that
this would affect any of you either) is that Townsend is in a dry (sort of)
county.  No liquor by the drink in restaurants, no liquor stores.   You'll
have to bring your own wine and spirits, or stop at the liquor store in
Knoxville or Maryville as you come through.   Anybody needing directions or
info can call me at 865-591-0982.

 

There is a web site for the Trials with up to date info:
http://www.2008trials.org

 

Call or email me (tr250 at mindspring.com) with any questions.

 

Registration is overdue.  Hurry.

 

Mark Walker

Trials host

From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 12:22:04 2008
From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:22:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] BREAKDOWN INSURANCE
Message-ID: <639203.44098.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I seem to recall seeing something on one of the car shows on TV recently in
which one of the larger classic car insurance companies (Hagerty maybe) is
offering some type of towing deal with their insurance package.  Anyone know
anything about this?
 
Mike Lunsford

From rpeglow at optonline.net  Sat Aug 16 15:35:03 2008
From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:35:03 -0700
Subject: [6pack] BREAKDOWN INSURANCE
References: <639203.44098.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c8ffe7$f164ea30$23f37b45@gpcorporate.com>

Hi Mike,
Hagerty Plus has 3 different levels of what they call "towing mile benefit"
allowances.
10 mile, 50 mile and 125 mile.
http://www.hagerty.com/Auto/vehicle_hpn.aspx
Regards,
Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael lunsford" <mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com>
To: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:22 AM
Subject: [6pack] BREAKDOWN INSURANCE


> I seem to recall seeing something on one of the car shows on TV recently
in
> which one of the larger classic car insurance companies (Hagerty maybe) is
> offering some type of towing deal with their insurance package.  Anyone
know
> anything about this?
>
> Mike Lunsford
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From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 12:42:18 2008
From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:42:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Clutch Master Cylinder diameters
Message-ID: <429416.91316.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I recently bought new clutch MCs for my 69 and 70 TR6.  The 69 called for the
.75 diameter bore and the 70 called for the .70 diameter.  You can probably
tell where I'm going from here already.  There was a 50% probability that,
without looking at the part number, I would get the right one on the right
car.  Of course that didn't happen or you wouldn't be seeing this message. 
 
Nevertheless, as an object lesson and an admission of stupidity you may wish
to know what happens as a result of getting these two ass backwards.  First,
the effort required to push the clutch down on the 70 just about doubled and
has become a real PITA to use around town.  Secondly the MC on the 69 doesn't
want to disengage as easily as it should though some of this may be because
further bleeding of the Slave Cylinder is needed.  Am I correct in assuming
that the larger diameter of the MC on the 69 has resulted in slightly less
pressure thus less extension of the Slave cylinder which reduces the throw
of the clutch fork or is it just more FM related to our LBCs.
 
Mike Lunsford,  Bunch of TR6s, bunch of parts 

From janah at att.net  Sat Aug 16 13:07:20 2008
From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:07:20 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Damper Rebuild
Message-ID: <262AAE4EE1F144168EF523E4C4894730@p4home>

Hi All-

I need to have my damper rebuilt.  I seem to recall that this is a company
that does it.  Anybody have the contact info?  Do they make the timing marks
readable as well?

Thanks,
John Cyg

From jsnable at mac.com  Sat Aug 16 13:57:08 2008
From: jsnable at mac.com (Jay Snable)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:57:08 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Damper Rebuild
In-Reply-To: <262AAE4EE1F144168EF523E4C4894730@p4home>
References: <262AAE4EE1F144168EF523E4C4894730@p4home>
Message-ID: <DCF7E6A0-6C75-4849-82ED-CA82ED1640AC@mac.com>

Hi John,

I used Damper Doctor (www.damperdoctor.com, ~$130) with good results.  
The timing marks were cleaned up, but not treated specially otherwise.  
I suppose you could rub some contrasting paint into them before  
installing it to make the marks more visible.

Jay
'73 TR6

On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:07 PM, John Cyganowski wrote:

> Hi All-
>
> I need to have my damper rebuilt.  I seem to recall that this is a  
> company
> that does it.  Anybody have the contact info?  Do they make the  
> timing marks
> readable as well?
>
> Thanks,
> John Cyg

From samuelsma at aol.com  Sat Aug 16 14:06:14 2008
From: samuelsma at aol.com (samuelsma at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:06:14 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Seat belts
Message-ID: <8CACDF2AB78018A-968-25D1@webmail-dd15.sysops.aol.com>

Doug:

I purchased the replacement seat belts from TRF for my '76 when they went on sale several months ago.? The belts are of high quality and were very quick to install, using all the original mounting points.? The retractors work fine.? The only negatives is that they don't use a "stalk" from the trans tunnel, instead just bolting on down low and having webbing connecting the working part to the tunnel.? The length of that part is adjustable, however, allowing you to cinch the belts at the waist very easily.? The second negative is that the actual buckle is very finicky.? On both sides, it just has to be jiggled until it clasps securely.? I'm used to it by now, but a better design would have prevented this problem.

I think I paid about $175 on sale, but it might have been less.

Michael
'76 Tahiti blue
Miami

From lfm614 at aol.com  Sat Aug 16 16:24:13 2008
From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:24:13 +0000
Subject: [6pack] BREAKDOWN INSURANCE
Message-ID: <690662104-1218925457-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-403110417-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yes, Hagerty has it for sure at three different levels of towing.  They call it Hagerty plus, the 10 miles package is $25 per year. 

Lou
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ReplyTo: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com
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Subject: [6pack] BREAKDOWN INSURANCE

I seem to recall seeing something on one of the car shows on TV recently in
which one of the larger classic car insurance companies (Hagerty maybe) is
offering some type of towing deal with their insurance package.  Anyone know
anything about this?
 
Mike Lunsford
6pack at autox.team.net
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From 70tr6 at mindspring.com  Sat Aug 16 17:54:32 2008
From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:54:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808111127150.5545@isis.mit.edu>
References: <357209.74441.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<004801c8fbc7$0da83410$0300a8c0@Desktop>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808111127150.5545@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <34F7FBFC-10B6-4355-A1BC-B5C5BE04AF4B@mindspring.com>

That was Ronnie Babbitt in his Vitesse.

Ashford Little
'70 TR6






On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Robert Lang wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Craig wrote:
>
>> "yikes"
>> is not a strong enough word
>> Craig
>
> I have vids in the "archive" of a Vitesse guy tucking BOTH rear wheels
> with them BOTH off the ground by 6 inches or more.
>
> It wasn't the dude from Urbana-Champlain... it was the dude from GA,
> Kendall Larson, maybe?
>
> There were still shots in TVT just after the event. That was the '96  
> VTR
> in ALbany.
>
> later,
> rml
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From jmitch at snet.net  Sun Aug 17 06:25:02 2008
From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:25:02 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Front License plate bracket
Message-ID: <48A8189E.10907@snet.net>

    Several weeks ago someone on list asked about finding a late model 
license plate holder for his TR6.  I noticed one listed on ebay today if 
it's still needed.
  Item number  370078168330


                                           John Mitchell    76 TR6

From alanatkinson at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 17 10:11:23 2008
From: alanatkinson at hotmail.com (Alan Atkinson)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:11:23 -0400
Subject: [6pack] TR250 and TR6 colors
Message-ID: <BLU113-W1325D338BA390193D439CDC66F0@phx.gbl>

A few weeks ago I sent out a plea for color photos of your cars to add to a
gallery of stock colors on the 6-pack site.
I got a pretty good response, but we're still missing a few. If you have a car
in one of these stock colors, it would be great if you could send a picture or
two to webmaster at 6-pack.org so we can get the set.

TR250 Colors still missing:
Black
Signal Red
Triumph Racing Green
Wedgewood Blue

TR6 Colors still missing:
Black
Conifer Green
Emerald Green
Java Green
Topaz

If you have a TR6 or 250 in another stock color and would like it adding, then
feel free to send me a snap. If you want to make my life easier, 1024x768
jpg's are preferred. Bigger is fine. Smaller leaves the car looking blurry
when it gets blown up.

TIA, Alan

Oh and you can see the cars here -
http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack//index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=5
&Itemid=42


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From stan.foster at hp.com  Sun Aug 17 12:30:08 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:30:08 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Pictures and demo video of Kai's seat belts
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5CF885F0@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

A couple of people were interested in how the seat belts from Kai Radicke
looked when they are installed. I took a few pictures and my wife shot a video
of the belts in operation. Apologies for the poor quality of the audio/video,
it was shot using my phone, must get a video camera one of these days...

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/foster461/TR6/Seat%20Belts/


The only picture that might need a bit of explanation is this one showing the
plastic cover that goes over the upper wheel arch attachment point. I found
that the end of the cover was interfering with the way the belt moved through
the metal loop so I removed about < of an inch from the end of the cover using
a hacksaw (images shows the cut area circled in red and this is the  picture
after the surgery) and now the belt moves freely through the top loop. The
cover still clips to the bolt and looks fine.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/foster461/TR6/Seat%20Belts/Modifiedcov
er.jpg

Should also mention that the seats are Miata of course and the belt spooler on
the wheel arch is well clear of the roll bar so no issues there.

There may be other/different/better/cheaper solutions out there, these worked
for me.

Stan

From fishplate at charter.net  Sun Aug 17 15:59:32 2008
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:59:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Pictures and demo video of Kai's seat belts
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5CF885F0@GVW0414X.americ
	as.hpqcorp.net>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5CF885F0@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <20080817215923.OFMD7436.aarprv04.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net>

At 02:30 PM 8/17/2008, Foster, Stan wrote:
>A couple of people were interested in how the seat belts from Kai Radicke
>looked when they are installed.

Does anyone know if he's still in business?  I recall some 
controversy a while back when hes web site went dark for a while; now 
it's eight or nine months out of date...

I emailed him the other day when the seat belts were first mentioned, 
no reply so far...



Jeff Scarbrough      75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5
http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/
Athens, Georgia         #354 

From stan.foster at hp.com  Sun Aug 17 16:05:12 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:05:12 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Pictures and demo video of Kai's seat belts
In-Reply-To: <20080817215923.OFMD7436.aarprv04.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5CF885F0@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<20080817215923.OFMD7436.aarprv04.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5D7BDFB3@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Kai is essentially a one man operation so if there is an event that he is
attending (he often has a stall at the major events) or if he is on vacation,
response can be a bit slow but he is alive and well as far as I know and still
operating Wishbone Classics.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
Scarbrough
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:00 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Pictures and demo video of Kai's seat belts

At 02:30 PM 8/17/2008, Foster, Stan wrote:
>A couple of people were interested in how the seat belts from Kai Radicke
>looked when they are installed.

Does anyone know if he's still in business?  I recall some
controversy a while back when hes web site went dark for a while; now
it's eight or nine months out of date...

I emailed him the other day when the seat belts were first mentioned,
no reply so far...



Jeff Scarbrough      75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5
http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/
Athens, Georgia         #354
_______________________________________________

From jmitch at snet.net  Sun Aug 17 18:22:13 2008
From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:22:13 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Pertronix failure
Message-ID: <48A8C0B5.7000509@snet.net>

    I had my Pertronix unit on my TR6 fail this evening.  I've had it 
less than a year.  Luckily I had a backup unit in the boot.  A quick 
switch and all was well.  At home I checked the wires going into the 
sensor for continuity and both were solid all the way.  The only 
difference in wiring, was that I had the red lead connected to the fuse 
box and the black lead to the negative side of the coil.  I did it that 
way to hide the extra wire and make it look original.  Could this have 
effected the longevity of the unit?  Thanks for any insights.   John 
Mitchell    76 TR6   Shelton, CT

From 70tr6 at mindspring.com  Sun Aug 17 19:37:04 2008
From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:37:04 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Fwd: [TR] Uncle Jack
References: <081820080127.5057.48A8D003000C4B5B000013C122120592140E059B9A0503@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <60562E37-0782-4885-AF81-3BBB5CB82868@mindspring.com>

I heard about this this afternoon.  Uncle Jack was an extraordinary  
man and the Triumph World has lost one of it's finest.

Ashford Little
'70 TR6






Begin forwarded message:

> From: mkutka at comcast.net
> Date: August 17, 2008 9:27:31 PM EDT
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Uncle Jack
>
> A sad day this past weekend. I picked this up from the FOT list. In  
> Grattan Michigan we lost a true friend of triumph racing "new blue,"  
> his Tr4.
>
> Uncle Jack was a very supportive figure in the current Triumph  
> racing fraternity and for triumph lovers all over who drive their  
> cars. He was instrumental in some of the recent updates for our cars  
> and was always willing to help out a fellow triumph guy. He was a  
> true friend of the hobby and for those who worked with and knew him  
> well including his family I extend my condolences. I spoke with  
> Uncle Jack several times over the phone and entrusted some "custom"  
> work to him a few years ago. He was one of the special people you  
> meet in life and are thankful for them. I still have the scribbled  
> recipe I transcribed while speaking to him over the phone. It was a  
> basic recipe for a fast street TR3/4/4A motor. He insisted I refer  
> to him as Uncle Jack even though we never met face to face and told  
> me to call anytime. That and many other stories from all the others  
> he helped in this hobby is why we are lucky to have had him.
>
> Gods Speed Uncle Jack
>
> MK

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 17 22:03:50 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:03:50 -0500
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes
References: <2010516.1157981205524405683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02>
Message-ID: <002101c900e7$84efe750$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>

Good evening, all.

just went for a drive in the TR6 with my daughter, who is 15, and on her 
learner's permit.  She drove it for the first time and loved it!

anyway, that's the good news.

the bad news: the trafficator blinks like a strobe, as do the front 
blinkers.  i did not check the rear, but i'm assuming they are doing the 
same silly dance.

is the most likely culprit the flasher unit?? 

From rpeglow at optonline.net  Mon Aug 18 09:21:33 2008
From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:21:33 -0700
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes
References: <2010516.1157981205524405683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02>
	<002101c900e7$84efe750$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <000c01c90146$18dc0260$23f37b45@gpcorporate.com>

I have seen that condition on one side of the car when one lamp has gone
bad.
You did not mention what hazard flasher does???
If rear bulbs are not working I would look for wiring problem common to both
in the rear first.
Regards,
Bob
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From: "Oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; "'6-Pack'"
<6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes


> Good evening, all.
>
> just went for a drive in the TR6 with my daughter, who is 15, and on her
> learner's permit.  She drove it for the first time and loved it!
>
> anyway, that's the good news.
>
> the bad news: the trafficator blinks like a strobe, as do the front
> blinkers.  i did not check the rear, but i'm assuming they are doing the
> same silly dance.
>
> is the most likely culprit the flasher unit??
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From lfm614 at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 06:43:11 2008
From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:43:11 +0000
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes
Message-ID: <558877198-1219063392-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1499230975-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Usually faster blinking is an indication of a burnt bulb or an open circuit that appears as burnt bulb?  Is it just on side?  Check the back and sides. 

Lou
------Original Message------
From: Oliver
Sender: 6pack-bounces+lfm614=aol.com at autox.team.net
To: 'Triumphs'
To: TR-6 list
Sent: Aug 17, 2008 11:03 PM
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes

Good evening, all.

just went for a drive in the TR6 with my daughter, who is 15, and on her 
learner's permit.  She drove it for the first time and loved it!

anyway, that's the good news.

the bad news: the trafficator blinks like a strobe, as do the front 
blinkers.  i did not check the rear, but i'm assuming they are doing the 
same silly dance.

is the most likely culprit the flasher unit?? 
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From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug 18 07:16:15 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:16:15 +0000
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes
In-Reply-To: <002101c900e7$84efe750$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
References: <2010516.1157981205524405683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02>
	<002101c900e7$84efe750$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB6C192F5@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

It depends.. if you are still using an original TR6 blinker unit that uses a
thermal switch then it is more likely to be a bulb/ground issue as the thermal
switch is reliant on a specific load on the circuit and even the wrong wattage
bulb will screw it up although in my experience things seem to slow down not
speed up so I guess I would not rule out the flasher unit even in this
case...

If you are using a hazard flasher control unit that will continue switching
even if no bulbs are working I would tend to favor the flasher unit as the
culprit.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:04 AM
To: 'Triumphs'; '6-Pack'
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes

Good evening, all.

just went for a drive in the TR6 with my daughter, who is 15, and on her
learner's permit.  She drove it for the first time and loved it!

anyway, that's the good news.

the bad news: the trafficator blinks like a strobe, as do the front
blinkers.  i did not check the rear, but i'm assuming they are doing the
same silly dance.

is the most likely culprit the flasher unit??

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 18 08:37:01 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:37:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] NATC 2009  (VTR) pictures
In-Reply-To: <34F7FBFC-10B6-4355-A1BC-B5C5BE04AF4B@mindspring.com>
References: <357209.74441.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008, Ashford Little wrote:

> That was Ronnie Babbitt in his Vitesse.

Ya - that's it!

I have a video somewhere. The crowd comments while shooting are pretty 
close to priceless. Lots of WOWs.

> Ashford Little
> '70 TR6

rml
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From 75teer6 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 08:53:37 2008
From: 75teer6 at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:53:37 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
In-Reply-To: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>
References: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>
Message-ID: <83dfea6b0808180753g491869b3j3a1974de5328bf66@mail.gmail.com>

Phil,

In addition to the rear hubs, you might check the Front hubs and bearings.
I also carry a spare:
    Fuel pump,
    Heater control valve (even if you don't intend to use the heater),
    Distributor cap, points, condenser,
    Valve cover gasket,

I have never needed any of the above on a road trip, but better safe than sorry,

Henri

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Phil Beckman <pbeckman at ameritech.net> wrote:
> So, I'm heading down to central Indiana in a couple weeks for a get together
> with some old friends and I'm thinking of taking the TR6.  Chicago to Central
> Indiana is only a few hundred miles each way but I haven't driven it any
> significant distance for a number of years so I'm thinking I should spend some
> time making sure its up for the trip.
>
> My list of things to check is:
>
> - U-Joint health
> - Points, plugs, timing, etc
> - Belts, hoses, etc
> - Oil level in the diff and tranny
> - Take a look at the condition of the rear hubs
>
> Things I know are fine
> - Brakes were done recently as was the master cylinder and clutch hydraulics.
> - Radiator was cleaned and restored this past spring
> - Oil was, of course, changed in spring
> - Carbs are in fine shape
> - Tires are fine
>
> Been a long time since I took this car on a road trip.  What am I missing?
>
> Phil Beckman
> Libertyville, IL
> '73 TR6
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From dncullig at us.ibm.com  Mon Aug 18 09:54:06 2008
From: dncullig at us.ibm.com (Dennis N Culligan)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:54:06 -0400
Subject: [6pack] "Uncle Jack" Drews
Message-ID: <OFA5CBF7E5.5151DE32-ON852574A9.005664F4-852574A9.005759D5@us.ibm.com>

  I met "Uncle Jack" on numerous occasions (Mosport, Road
America, Mid Ohio) and although I am not a racer, he was al-
ways more than willing to invite you into his motorhome and
talk Triumphs 'till the cows came home.  He will be missed,
especially at the upcoming Triumph celebration at Watkins
Glen, and my deepest condolences go out to his family.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U - TR6IUMPH

From davgil at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 09:55:15 2008
From: davgil at aol.com (davgil at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:55:15 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
In-Reply-To: <83dfea6b0808180753g491869b3j3a1974de5328bf66@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>
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Message-ID: <8CACF61F0AE30FD-14A8-D2C@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com>

AAA card and cell phone.


-----Original Message-----
From: Henri Lefebvre <75teer6 at gmail.com>
To: Phil Beckman <pbeckman at ameritech.net>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] Road trip



Phil,

In addition to the rear hubs, you might check the Front hubs and bearings.
I also carry a spare:
    Fuel pump,
    Heater control valve (even if you don't intend to use the heater),
    Distributor cap, points, condenser,
    Valve cover gasket,

I have never needed any of the above on a road trip, but better safe than sorry,

Henri

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Phil Beckman <pbeckman at ameritech.net> wrote:
> So, I'm heading down to central Indiana in a couple weeks for a get together
> with some old friends and I'm thinking of taking the TR6.  Chicago to Central
> Indiana is only a few hundred miles each way but I haven't driven it any
> significant distance for a number of years so I'm thinking I should spend some
> time making sure its up for the trip.
>
> My list of things to check is:
>
> - U-Joint health
> - Points, plugs, timing, etc
> - Belts, hoses, etc
> - Oil level in the diff and tranny
> - Take a look at the condition of the rear hubs
>
> Things I know are fine
> - Brakes were done recently as was the master cylinder and clutch hydraulics.
> - Radiator was cleaned and restored this past spring
> - Oil was, of course, changed in spring
> - Carbs are in fine shape
> - Tires are fine
>
> Been a long time since I took this car on a road trip.  What am I missing?
>
> Phil Beckman
> Libertyville, IL
> '73 TR6
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From jattr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 18 12:03:27 2008
From: jattr6 at hotmail.com (James_ TR6)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:03:27 +0000
Subject: [6pack] TR6's spotted - Portland OR -
Message-ID: <COL101-W37E6FC47CA7C6E190F2053806E0@phx.gbl>

I saw TWO TR6's this weekend driving up the Columbia Gorge on my way to Hood
River to go kayaking.
Sat. a pale yellow ? heading toward hood river and Sunday morning, a blue one
heading toward Portland.

Ahhh, I wish I had my TR6 out here...it is in storage on the East Coast. I
drove/moved to Portland
in June for a job and a change.

Well, just thought I would see if the owners are on this board.

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From jattr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 18 12:10:21 2008
From: jattr6 at hotmail.com (James_ TR6)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:10:21 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Poll: Anyone own a Ski Rack for TR6...
Message-ID: <COL101-W156B5B65821B424F62245D806E0@phx.gbl>

Years ago, pre ebay and actually pre internet (for the masses anyway)...
I bought a NOS ski rack for my TR6!!! Mounts in front of the boot lid
(attaches to the lid
between the hinge and lid) and the other piece positioned between the bumper
mounting bolt
and the body. the skis angle vertically over the top.

I have NEVER seen one on a car at a show, or seen one for sale on ebay.
Has anyone seen one or own one? I have always been curious....


I am a skiier and have used the rack in the winter to go downhill and cross
country
skiing. of course, only if the roads are clear! But, I have been caught in
snow before...
BTW, Pirelli's are amazing in the snow!

James
1976 TR6
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 18 12:17:23 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:17:23 -0500
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes
References: <2010516.1157981205524405683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02>
	<002101c900e7$84efe750$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB6C192F5@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <001901c9015e$aaaeb620$428ca8c0@Ranteer.local>

yup.  have a bulb out.  thanks to all!!!!!

From rclark at robertsonclark.com  Mon Aug 18 13:22:23 2008
From: rclark at robertsonclark.com (Robert N. Clark)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:22:23 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Poll: Anyone own a Ski Rack for TR6...
In-Reply-To: <COL101-W156B5B65821B424F62245D806E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C602EE381BAA2B46B9210FBB5483F2814DD42B@main.RSC.local>

I had two different versions back in the 70s.  One was similar to yours
at the front but the back section also mounted to the trunk lid.  I
didn't like what they did to the paint.  I also had another pair that
mounted to the luggage rack.  The only problem there was the clearance
between the bottom of the forward mount and the trunk lid.


Bob Clark
'69 TR6

From im_sloane at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 18 13:32:10 2008
From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:32:10 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
In-Reply-To: <8CACF61F0AE30FD-14A8-D2C@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com>
References: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>
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	<8CACF61F0AE30FD-14A8-D2C@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU118-W49FA321C3DC5FE4FC443C28E6E0@phx.gbl>

Team 6,
FWIW, concerning AAA, I had considered a membership just for this reason, but
reading the fine print learned that they would only tow me back to the garage
from which the tow truck came. With an LBC I assume this would get me a bunch
of dumb looks and smart comments. I also called AAA and inquired about the
type of tow vehicle, stating that I had a classic auto and would 'require' a
roll-back wrecker. The said they could not promise that, and that what ever
type of wrecker came was all that was available.

These two items lead me back to my original plans. If I should ever 'knock on
wood dash' need a tow, I'll just have to fork out the cash for a roll-back
ride home. Saving the yearly membership fee, I'll consider myself  'Self
Insured'.

No offence intended to AAA, and if you've had a great experience I'd love to
hear it.

YMMV
Sloane :)
69-Six> To: 75teer6 at gmail.com; 6pack at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008
11:55:15 -0400> From: davgil at aol.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Road trip> > AAA
card and cell phone.
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From ianbreyer at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 14:05:42 2008
From: ianbreyer at yahoo.com (Ian Breyer)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Uncooperative zipper
Message-ID: <301855.75251.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi all. Does anyone have any suggestins (home remedies?) for dealing with a
zipper that has just recently become a royal pain. I have a Robbins top in
otherwise perfect shape thats only 4 years old. The teeth recently don't want
to interlock although none seem to be broken. Would lubricant help? Thanks for
any and all suggestions.
 
Ian
72 TR6 Jasmin Yellow

Ian Breyer
36 Mechanic Street, 1st Floor
New Haven, CT 06511
home email: ianbreyer at yahoo.com
work email: ibreyer at hartynet.com

From lfm614 at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 14:06:15 2008
From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:06:15 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
Message-ID: <443617486-1219090108-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2122652755-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Depends on how you have your TR insured. I have Hagerty and they have three "towing" options on their plus package based on distance and they use a roll back. The basic is only $25 a year for 10 miles, goes up from there. 

Lou
------Original Message------
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Sender: 6pack-bounces+lfm614=aol.com at autox.team.net
To: TR-6 list
Sent: Aug 18, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Road trip

Team 6,
FWIW, concerning AAA, I had considered a membership just for this reason, but
reading the fine print learned that they would only tow me back to the garage
from which the tow truck came. With an LBC I assume this would get me a bunch
of dumb looks and smart comments. I also called AAA and inquired about the
type of tow vehicle, stating that I had a classic auto and would 'require' a
roll-back wrecker. The said they could not promise that, and that what ever
type of wrecker came was all that was available.

These two items lead me back to my original plans. If I should ever 'knock on
wood dash' need a tow, I'll just have to fork out the cash for a roll-back
ride home. Saving the yearly membership fee, I'll consider myself  'Self
Insured'.

No offence intended to AAA, and if you've had a great experience I'd love to
hear it.

YMMV
Sloane :)
69-Six> To: 75teer6 at gmail.com; 6pack at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008
11:55:15 -0400> From: davgil at aol.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Road trip> > AAA
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 18 14:22:19 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
In-Reply-To: <BLU118-W49FA321C3DC5FE4FC443C28E6E0@phx.gbl>
References: <70AFEA7879D745BEBD63B7A57A18D8C8@office.CM.NET>
	<83dfea6b0808180753g491869b3j3a1974de5328bf66@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8CACF61F0AE30FD-14A8-D2C@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU118-W49FA321C3DC5FE4FC443C28E6E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808181612500.21169@isis.mit.edu>

Hi

I've had AAA for years. I have the super-duper version, I think it's 
AAA-plus or AAA-gold. Whatever.

I have had a wide variety of experience with them, but mostly good. Part 
of that is because of the fact that they contract with indepenent 
franchises / vendors. In fact, the worst "bad" cases were downright scary.

BUT (and this is pertitent to the issue at hand), when I needed a flatbed 
tow 73 miles from New Hampshire Speedway to my house, the truck driver was 
AWESOME. He saw the car and new to do it right.

I had one short haul when my points died about 10 or 12 miles from home. 
The guy was real nice, but a bit clueless about old cars. As the result of 
his lack of undestanding old cars, he wound up pulling a chunk of my frame 
off... really (he thought his towing hook would "hold just fine" on the 
holes near the bumper end of the frame. Good thing we had the car in gear 
with the e-brake on! I never gave him any crap about it. He was shipping 
to Iraq the next week or so (National Guard and called up). True story.

But I've had probably 10 incidents from jump starts in KANSAS (I live in 
Massachusetts) to lock outs (these are becoming more frequent for me... 
old age? NAH!) to 75 mile tows and with one exception, the service 
provided was worth it.

I'll skip the lockout story when I almost won a regional driving 
championship and sold my mother's house all while we got 8 inches of rain 
in one day!

But bad towing stories usually start out predictably and go downhill from 
there.

Oh, and the 73 mile tow would have been well over $200 w/o AAA-plus. And 
good towtruck drivers KNOW where the ATMs are located.

:-)

regards,
rml
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From 75teer6 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 14:35:42 2008
From: 75teer6 at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:35:42 -0600
Subject: [6pack] TR250 and TR6 colors
In-Reply-To: <BLU113-W32036A0184738EBEEC0932C66E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU113-W1325D338BA390193D439CDC66F0@phx.gbl>
	<83dfea6b0808180808s2b62aad8xea64d9a1bd0a6da4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU113-W32036A0184738EBEEC0932C66E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <83dfea6b0808181335n4641540ao7add17d6d4fd6a4d@mail.gmail.com>

Alan,

The wheels are American Racing Le Mans wheels. These were originally
installed by the original owner of a 69 TR6. The third owner decided
to install after market chrome wire wheel conversions and I bought
these wheels from him. No regrets!
The EBS slotted front rotors and finned aluminum rear drums look great
through the 4 spokes.

Henri.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Alan Atkinson <alanatkinson at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Henri, you are in there now.
> What wheels are those btw?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:08:25 -0600
>> From: 75teer6 at gmail.com
>> To: webmaster at 6-pack.org
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] TR250 and TR6 colors
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> I attach a photo of my 75 TR6 in Signal Red, with the factory hardtop.
>> This photo was taken as we arrived at our Club's car show on July 26,
>> 2008, in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
>> You can see more photos on our club's website: www.vsccc.ca
>>
>> Henri
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Alan Atkinson
>> <alanatkinson at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > A few weeks ago I sent out a plea for color photos of your cars to add
>> > to a
>> > gallery of stock colors on the 6-pack site.
>> > I got a pretty good response, but we're still missing a few. If you have
>> > a car
>> > in one of these stock colors, it would be great if you could send a
>> > picture or
>> > two to webmaster at 6-pack.org so we can get the set.
>> >
>> > TR250 Colors still missing:
>> > Black
>> > Signal Red
>> > Triumph Racing Green
>> > Wedgewood Blue
>> >
>> > TR6 Colors still missing:
>> > Black
>> > Conifer Green
>> > Emerald Green
>> > Java Green
>> > Topaz
>> >
>> > If you have a TR6 or 250 in another stock color and would like it
>> > adding, then
>> > feel free to send me a snap. If you want to make my life easier,
>> > 1024x768
>> > jpg's are preferred. Bigger is fine. Smaller leaves the car looking
>> > blurry
>> > when it gets blown up.
>> >
>> > TIA, Alan
>> >
>> > Oh and you can see the cars here -
>> >
>> > http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack//index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=5
>> > &Itemid=42
>> >
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From sloseke at holly.colostate.edu  Mon Aug 18 14:38:22 2008
From: sloseke at holly.colostate.edu (Shawn J. Loseke)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:38:22 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
Message-ID: <48ABCA9C@webmail.colostate.edu>

I've been a AAA member for several years. I'll admit that I never asked those 
questions before I joined. However, anytime I have ever used it I have always 
been asked if I preferred a rollback/flatbed. I have used the service several 
times (mostly on non-British cars), they allow four uses per year without 
question. Not once have they dictated where the car would be towed to. They 
have always asked where the car was and where I wanted it taken. I have the 
"Plus" membership which allows up to 100 miles towing for free. Since towing a 
car across town can cost more than the yearly membership, I feel its a 
bargain.

Coverage may differ in other areas as well. Most of the tow trucks I see in my 
area are flatbeds anymore. Very few of the hook trucks. Too many AWD vehicles 
in my area may be one reason. ;)

The other part that I like is the membership is tied to you, not a specific 
car. So it covers multiple cars if need be without additional cost.

Shawn



>===== Original Message From im sloane <im_sloane at hotmail.com> =====
>Team 6,
>FWIW, concerning AAA, I had considered a membership just for this reason, but
>reading the fine print learned that they would only tow me back to the garage
>from which the tow truck came. With an LBC I assume this would get me a bunch
>of dumb looks and smart comments. I also called AAA and inquired about the
>type of tow vehicle, stating that I had a classic auto and would 'require' a
>roll-back wrecker. The said they could not promise that, and that what ever
>type of wrecker came was all that was available.
>
>These two items lead me back to my original plans. If I should ever 'knock on
>wood dash' need a tow, I'll just have to fork out the cash for a roll-back
>ride home. Saving the yearly membership fee, I'll consider myself  'Self
>Insured'.
>
>No offence intended to AAA, and if you've had a great experience I'd love to
>hear it.
>
>YMMV
>Sloane :)
>69-Six> To: 75teer6 at gmail.com; 6pack at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008
>11:55:15 -0400> From: davgil at aol.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Road trip> > AAA
>card and cell phone.
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From bratt at sasktel.net  Mon Aug 18 14:58:03 2008
From: bratt at sasktel.net (Ed)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:58:03 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Uncooperative zipper
In-Reply-To: <301855.75251.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <301855.75251.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1219093083.7655.7.camel@ed-desktop>

Ian:

I had a sticking zipper on a tonneau cover and lubricated it with  (if
you can believe it) white lock lubricant.  I do not recall the brand
name.  It worked fairly well, but needed frequent re-application in wet
weather.  It came in a tubular plastic "puffer bottle".

Graphite is usually used for lubricating locks, but I do not believe it
was actually "graphite", but was probably another element that has
similar lubrication capability.

Ed Bratt
Regina, Saskatchewan
1976 TR6


On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 13:05 -0700, Ian Breyer wrote:

> Hi all. Does anyone have any suggestins (home remedies?) for dealing with a
> zipper that has just recently become a royal pain. 

From mgc4 at cdc.gov  Mon Aug 18 15:02:16 2008
From: mgc4 at cdc.gov (Campsmith, Michael (CDC/CCID/NCHHSTP))
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:02:16 -0400
Subject: [6pack] FW:  Uncooperative zipper
Message-ID: <751E75E14EA3D54FBD634BDE1E3ECAC6010454DA@LTA3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>

Rub a bar of soap across the teeth.  Has the advantage of no
petroleum-based solvents to stain your material.

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+mgc4=cdc.gov at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+mgc4=cdc.gov at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:58 PM
To: ianbreyer at yahoo.com
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Uncooperative zipper

Ian:

I had a sticking zipper on a tonneau cover and lubricated it with  (if
you can believe it) white lock lubricant.  I do not recall the brand
name.  It worked fairly well, but needed frequent re-application in wet
weather.  It came in a tubular plastic "puffer bottle".

Graphite is usually used for lubricating locks, but I do not believe it
was actually "graphite", but was probably another element that has
similar lubrication capability.

Ed Bratt
Regina, Saskatchewan
1976 TR6


On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 13:05 -0700, Ian Breyer wrote:

> Hi all. Does anyone have any suggestins (home remedies?) for dealing
> with a zipper that has just recently become a royal pain.
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From lfm614 at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 15:15:52 2008
From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:15:52 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Uncooperative zipper
Message-ID: <505748671-1219094793-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1800060100-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have used soap before on the inside with good results.  Just used a small bar of soap like you find in motels and rubbed it on the tracks while together then zipped and unzipped a few times to spread and lubricated.  If yours is rusted, it may take something like graphite. 

Lou
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ReplyTo: ianbreyer at yahoo.com
Sent: Aug 18, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: [6pack] Uncooperative zipper

Hi all. Does anyone have any suggestins (home remedies?) for dealing with a
zipper that has just recently become a royal pain. I have a Robbins top in
otherwise perfect shape thats only 4 years old. The teeth recently don't want
to interlock although none seem to be broken. Would lubricant help? Thanks for
any and all suggestions.
 
Ian
72 TR6 Jasmin Yellow

Ian Breyer
36 Mechanic Street, 1st Floor
New Haven, CT 06511
home email: ianbreyer at yahoo.com
work email: ibreyer at hartynet.com
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From KKSMC at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 15:40:27 2008
From: KKSMC at aol.com (KKSMC at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:40:27 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Tonneau cover zipper source
Message-ID: <c4e.3d0df574.35db464b@aol.com>

Where can one locate a close to original as possible replacement brass  
zipper for a tonneau cover?
I broke the pull handle off the zipper and been using pliers to operate  it.
 
Any advice ALWAYS welcomed here.



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From johncnorth at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 17:36:09 2008
From: johncnorth at gmail.com (John North)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:36:09 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Uncooperative zipper
In-Reply-To: <301855.75251.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <301855.75251.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49f668fe0808181636g76067030g805f73a2d5190103@mail.gmail.com>

Candle wax also works pretty good and doesn't wash off.   Just rub a
candle along the closed zipper.

John North

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Ian Breyer <ianbreyer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all. Does anyone have any suggestins (home remedies?) for dealing with a
> zipper that has just recently become a royal pain. I have a Robbins top in
> otherwise perfect shape thats only 4 years old. The teeth recently don't want
> to interlock although none seem to be broken. Would lubricant help? Thanks for
> any and all suggestions.
>
> Ian
> 72 TR6 Jasmin Yellow
>
> Ian Breyer
> 36 Mechanic Street, 1st Floor
> New Haven, CT 06511
> home email: ianbreyer at yahoo.com
> work email: ibreyer at hartynet.com
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From alanatkinson at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 18 17:58:45 2008
From: alanatkinson at hotmail.com (Alan Atkinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:58:45 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Classixfieds announcement
Message-ID: <BLU113-W225D71BB4FA1B6FCE8CB35C66E0@phx.gbl>

This is just a quick note for those of you who don't frequent the
www.6-pack.org website.

Announcing the introduction of the new 6-Pack classixfieds.

This is where you can buy sell or trade TR6/TR250 cars and parts.

It's free to registered users for non-commercial applications, and we hope
that you'll find it a huge improvement from the old buy/sell/trade autojumble
in the forums. Please take the time to have a look at it, and please consider
using if if you have stuff to sell.

If you have comments, we're all ears - send them to webmaster at 6-pack.org.
Otherwise, enjoy.

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From DLylis at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 18:05:06 2008
From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:05:06 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Road trip
Message-ID: <cc4.3977fe62.35db6832@aol.com>

I have the Plus Membership and they brought my 6 back to my house!  
 
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69 TR6 CC26160L
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 18 21:08:45 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:08:45 -0500
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes continues
References: <2010516.1157981205524405683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02>
	<002101c900e7$84efe750$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB6C192F5@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <000301c901a8$e91857f0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>

the first level culprit was a bad connection whcih caused the passenger side 
front to not work.

but - it still flashes like a strobe.  at least i have functional blinkers 
<grin>

the four way flashers work just fine, and flash in an appropriately timed 
manner.  all four corners.

clean/check all the grounds? 

From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug 18 21:16:48 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:16:48 +0000
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes continues
In-Reply-To: <000301c901a8$e91857f0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
References: <2010516.1157981205524405683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02>
	<002101c900e7$84efe750$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB6C192F5@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<000301c901a8$e91857f0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743A73D@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

> clean/check all the grounds?

That would be the next logical step. This system is a pain to get working and
many people just give up and put a hazard flasher in place of the indicator
unit. These are brute force on/off flashers and while they wont warn you of a
blown bulb like the thermal flasher would do they will be less temperamental.

Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:09 PM
To: 'Triumphs'; '6-Pack'
Subject: Re: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes continues

the first level culprit was a bad connection whcih caused the passenger side
front to not work.

but - it still flashes like a strobe.  at least i have functional blinkers
<grin>

the four way flashers work just fine, and flash in an appropriately timed
manner.  all four corners.

clean/check all the grounds?

From lfm614 at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 07:13:35 2008
From: lfm614 at aol.com (lfm614 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:13:35 +0000
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes continues
Message-ID: <360000018-1219151616-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1965151146-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Are all the lights working on both sides front and back?

Does it go the same fast speed on both sides?

Lou
------Original Message------
From: Oliver
Sender: 6pack-bounces+lfm614=aol.com at autox.team.net
To: 'Triumphs'
To: TR-6 list
Sent: Aug 18, 2008 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes continues

the first level culprit was a bad connection whcih caused the passenger side 
front to not work.

but - it still flashes like a strobe.  at least i have functional blinkers 
<grin>

the four way flashers work just fine, and flash in an appropriately timed 
manner.  all four corners.

clean/check all the grounds? 
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From 75teer6 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 19 08:19:07 2008
From: 75teer6 at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:19:07 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Seat Belts
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5CF88590@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <cf8.3d0859cb.35d75800@aol.com>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724E5CF88590@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <83dfea6b0808190719q687f192cu67118c7bd19c78ed@mail.gmail.com>

Doug,

I recently installed the Securon retractable seat belt model 500/30
and I am very pleased with its operation. The installation is the same
as the original belt and uses a centre stalk. Securon lists a
different model number for the TR6, but the consensus is that model
500/30 is better for fit and use. You might want to check the Victoria
British website.

The minor drawback is that the Securon does not fit in the 'Belt
Parking/Storage device' on the door sill when the belt is not in use;
I never use that feature in any event.

Henri

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Foster, Stan <stan.foster at hp.com> wrote:
> Doug, this is only relevant if we are talking about inertia reel belts but
> after trying the Securon belts I did considerable research to find a belt that
> looked right, that spooled freely and fit into the original seat belt parkers.
> Properties that the Securon belts that I was using never exhibited. At VTR
> last year I saw a TR6 with belts that met my criterion and it turns out that
> they came from Kai Radicke of Wishbone Classics. Kai later told me that he had
> researched these belts to come up with the winning combination. I have these
> in my TR6 now and they work great. I had to make one additional modification
> to the plastic cover that snaps over the bolt on the wheel arch as it was
> interfering with the belt and needed trimming.
>
> Kai's belts are not cheap (circa $110 per side plus shipping) but in addition
> to being good quality, working correctly and looking correct in the TR6 (stalk
> length etc) they cut down on the complaints from the passenger seat
> considerably as my wife hated the Securon belts and never hesitated to remind
> me!.
>
> I can post pictures if needed.
>
> Stan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
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> TRIUMPH6PK at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:07 PM
> To: 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: [6pack] Seat Belts
>
> At the VTR in Ypsilanti recently I noticed several TR6's with updated seat
> belts. The previous owner removed my shoulder belt, so I'm interested in
> which
> of the Big 3 I should purchase from. Also several had a "shoulder pad" with
> TRIUMPH embroidered on it. Does anyone know the source for it?
>
> Thanks
> Doug
>
>
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From dncullig at us.ibm.com  Tue Aug 19 12:17:33 2008
From: dncullig at us.ibm.com (Dennis N Culligan)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:17:33 -0400
Subject: [6pack]  Tonneau cover zipper source
Message-ID: <OFA28D8C0F.4B6AA3A0-ON852574AA.0063C20A-852574AA.00647C02@us.ibm.com>

KKSMC wrote:
>Where can one locate a close to original as possible replacement brass
>zipper for a tonneau cover?

I got my tonneau zipper replaced at a place that makes/repairs
boat covers.  It's not brass but it's a heavier duty zipper than
the original. May not please the Concours judges, but c'est la vie..

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U TR6IUMPH

From mcmeganutt at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 14:24:50 2008
From: mcmeganutt at aol.com (mcmeganutt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:24:50 -0400
Subject: [6pack] 28th Annual Connecticut Triumph Register British Car Show
Message-ID: <8CAD050C447A509-1300-68E@webmail-db14.sysops.aol.com>

Everyone is cordially invited to the 28th Annual Connecticut Triumph Register Picnic and Motorcar Gathering to take place Sunday September 7th, 2008 at Wickham Park, Manchester, CT exit 60 off of I-84. For additional information go to www.CTRiumph.com for show info and directions and www.wickhampark.org to learn more about this extraordinary park. 

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 19 14:45:24 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:45:24 -0500
Subject: [6pack] turn signal flasher
References: <752497.29910.qm@web57210.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201c9023c$84a6d870$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>

does anyone have a part number/recommendation for a turn signal flasher from 
a flaps that will work in a 72 tr6?  or, since i'm not in that big a hurry, 
does anyone have one they would like to sell (new/used)? 

From stan.foster at hp.com  Tue Aug 19 14:52:56 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:52:56 +0000
Subject: [6pack] turn signal flasher
In-Reply-To: <000201c9023c$84a6d870$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
References: <752497.29910.qm@web57210.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<000201c9023c$84a6d870$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743A945@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Depending on what approach you want to take you can get a new thermal flasher
from the usual suppliers or you can fit a two wire hazard unit available from
any autoparts store.

>From TRF:

http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/157.php?s_wt=1680&s_ht=1050

part number LUSFB114  $11.98


Stan





-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:45 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] turn signal flasher

does anyone have a part number/recommendation for a turn signal flasher from
a flaps that will work in a 72 tr6?  or, since i'm not in that big a hurry,
does anyone have one they would like to sell (new/used)?
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From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Tue Aug 19 15:21:50 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:21:50 -0700
Subject: [6pack] turn signal flasher
In-Reply-To: <000201c9023c$84a6d870$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
References: <752497.29910.qm@web57210.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<000201c9023c$84a6d870$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572F4D0249@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

        Oliver:

        After experiencing a high failure rate on the Lucas, I finally
resorted to
replacing the Lucas unit with a generic two terminal flasher from the local
auto parts store.
No problems since then. I also purchased a mounting bracket, since the
original
bracket only accommodates the square Lucas flasher, but the rest of the world
uses the small round can. It is held in place by the original TR6 screw in the
original
location.
        The Lucas units either died completely, or slowed to a stop when the
TR6 was idling
at a stop light. I was replacing them every few months. I also like the fact
that that
the unit I am presently using is LOUD, so I get some audible clicks when the
flasher
is operating. Makes it more difficult to unknowingly drive around with my
flasher blinking
and telling the world "This driver is an idiot".

        Vance

    Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Oliver
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:45 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] turn signal flasher

does anyone have a part number/recommendation for a turn signal flasher from
a flaps that will work in a 72 tr6?  or, since i'm not in that big a hurry,
does anyone have one they would like to sell (new/used)?

From acekraut11 at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 19:20:50 2008
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:50 -0400
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Speedo Cable Broken
Message-ID: <8CAD07A1D96291B-17D8-1409@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com>

 Hello List:

After thinking for almost a year that the head of my TR6 speedo was frozen I
discovered yesterday that the speedo is fine on my car.? The cable is
broken on the opposite end, near the right angle drive, which I knew
but I figured that the speedo had seized and that was where the cable was weakest and had
broke.? Not true since last night I pulled the broken cable out,
snipped off the last 8 inches, stuck the cut end in my drill and fired
the speedo up to 130mph and ran it at that speed for a couple minutes.?
The speedo needle didnt flicker at all, rock steady and the unit didnt
heat up at all so no internal friction.? 

So, for those of you who might have had a similar problem in the past what was your solution.? The angle drive sure seemed to move freely when I installed it and I dont recall any sharp bends in the cable when it was installed.? I do seem to recall that there wasnt a lot of extra length of cable when the cable was installed.? Are there two different length cables?? Maybe one for an OD and for a car with the 4-speed?? Anyone had any problems caused by the right angle drive?

As always, thanks in advance for the collective wisdom and any and all assistance offered.

Cheers,

Aaron


 


Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

From acekraut11 at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 19:29:45 2008
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:29:45 -0400
Subject: [6pack] TR6 New Tire Survey
Message-ID: <8CAD07B5D011A9E-17D8-1487@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com>

 Hi Everyone,

The Yokohama Avids that I have installed on my TR6 wont pass inspection this year.? I have been satisfied with their performance but I am disappointed in how few miles they lasted.? I don't believe I have been overly rough with them, no burn-outs, no auto crossing.

The last time I was contemplating a tire purchase I asked for people to send me information on what wheels and tires they had on their car.? I posted those results on the triumphowners.com web site as a reference tool.? It has been a few years since the last survey so I thought it wouldn't hurt to see what people were riding on nowadays.? I will skip the wheel portion this time and concentrate only on the tires.? So, if you would care to participate then please respond to me with the following information:

Tire Brand
Tire Model
Tire Size
Estimate # of miles driven on tires
Recommend them or not?
Any other general comments?
OK to use your name as a contributor?

I will take some time to collect the response, tabulate them and post them on triumphowners.com for all to use as a reference since the question does seem to come up quite regularly.? 

Thanks in advance for everyone's help and participation.

Cheers,

Aaron


 


Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

From pbeckman at ameritech.net  Wed Aug 20 07:10:59 2008
From: pbeckman at ameritech.net (Phil Beckman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:10:59 -0500
Subject: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?
Message-ID: <F0ED3FE7C05242ECA43472B8DCA44A06@office.CM.NET>

So in prep for this trip to central Indiana I'm planning over labor day
weekend I decided to just take my TR6 to a local britsh car mechanic and have
him give the car a once over.  Its been like 8 years since a professional
mechanic looked at the car so I figure its probably not a bad thing to do
anyway.  I've taken the car there before (8 years ago) and he come very highly
recommended.

Anyway, he found a couple things worth doing but one of the things he
mentioned that I should consider doing sometime soon was replace the rubber
brake lines.  He said its not a major safety concern right now but that the
lines are "perished",  I have no clue what that means and didn't bother to ask
him becuase he said its not a major concern right now.

Anybody know what it means for rubber brake lines to "perish"?


Phil Beckman
Libertyville, IL
'73 TR6

From stan.foster at hp.com  Wed Aug 20 07:45:17 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:45:17 +0000
Subject: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?
In-Reply-To: <F0ED3FE7C05242ECA43472B8DCA44A06@office.CM.NET>
References: <F0ED3FE7C05242ECA43472B8DCA44A06@office.CM.NET>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AAAD@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Phil, over time rubber degrades. It is as if it dries out, shrinks and
hardens. That is perished. You often see the first signs of this on the outer
surface of the hose. If you bend the hose slightly you see cracks in the
surface. If the hose is very far gone the cracks are apparent from a distance.
Eventually the interior rubber breaks down and the hose starts to expand
instead of transferring hydraulic force to the brakes or worst case ruptures
and you lose that circuit, or worse.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Beckman
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:11 AM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?

So in prep for this trip to central Indiana I'm planning over labor day
weekend I decided to just take my TR6 to a local britsh car mechanic and have
him give the car a once over.  Its been like 8 years since a professional
mechanic looked at the car so I figure its probably not a bad thing to do
anyway.  I've taken the car there before (8 years ago) and he come very
highly
recommended.

Anyway, he found a couple things worth doing but one of the things he
mentioned that I should consider doing sometime soon was replace the rubber
brake lines.  He said its not a major safety concern right now but that the
lines are "perished",  I have no clue what that means and didn't bother to
ask
him becuase he said its not a major concern right now.

Anybody know what it means for rubber brake lines to "perish"?


Phil Beckman
Libertyville, IL
'73 TR6

From grant at bowtie6.com  Wed Aug 20 08:30:59 2008
From: grant at bowtie6.com (Joseph Grant)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:30:59 -0400
Subject: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AAAD@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <F0ED3FE7C05242ECA43472B8DCA44A06@office.CM.NET>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AAAD@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <000301c902d1$5effe9a0$1cffbce0$@com>

This is something I would repair.  

You can go with the original rubber replacements or you could upgrade and
get a set of good quality braded lines.  For example, the braded lines I
have are Teflon with stainless braid on the outside.  They will last quite
some time and will not be affected by braking pressure.  

Joe
'72 TR6 - CC77169
http://www.bowtie6.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Foster,
Stan
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 09:45
To: Phil Beckman; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?

Phil, over time rubber degrades. It is as if it dries out, shrinks and
hardens. That is perished. You often see the first signs of this on the
outer
surface of the hose. If you bend the hose slightly you see cracks in the
surface. If the hose is very far gone the cracks are apparent from a
distance.
Eventually the interior rubber breaks down and the hose starts to expand
instead of transferring hydraulic force to the brakes or worst case ruptures
and you lose that circuit, or worse.

Stan

From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu  Wed Aug 20 08:35:32 2008
From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:35:32 -0600
Subject: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?
In-Reply-To: <000301c902d1$5effe9a0$1cffbce0$@com>
Message-ID: <82C0B29274D44E0093612F0F492508DB@nmsu.edu>

Besides, the braided stainless looks SO KOOL!!!

I have 'em on my clutch line also.

Kevin





L. Kevin McNelis, PhD, CPA

New Mexico State University
505-646-2485

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+kmcnelis=nmsu.edu at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+kmcnelis=nmsu.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph
Grant
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:31 AM
To: 'Foster, Stan'; 'Phil Beckman'; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?

This is something I would repair.

You can go with the original rubber replacements or you could upgrade and
get a set of good quality braded lines.  For example, the braded lines I
have are Teflon with stainless braid on the outside.  They will last quite
some time and will not be affected by braking pressure.

Joe
'72 TR6 - CC77169
http://www.bowtie6.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Foster,
Stan
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 09:45
To: Phil Beckman; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?

Phil, over time rubber degrades. It is as if it dries out, shrinks and
hardens. That is perished. You often see the first signs of this on the
outer
surface of the hose. If you bend the hose slightly you see cracks in the
surface. If the hose is very far gone the cracks are apparent from a
distance.
Eventually the interior rubber breaks down and the hose starts to expand
instead of transferring hydraulic force to the brakes or worst case ruptures
and you lose that circuit, or worse.

Stan
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From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Wed Aug 20 09:29:31 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:29:31 -0700
Subject: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?
In-Reply-To: <000301c902d1$5effe9a0$1cffbce0$@com>
References: <F0ED3FE7C05242ECA43472B8DCA44A06@office.CM.NET>
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        Don't let the brake hoses go too long before replacing them. My DPO
let them go until the outer sheath had completely disintegrated, and the
fabric reinforcement was in tatters. Only the inner tubing was intact. I
noticed them one day while under the car working on another problem, and I
about wet myself. One panic stop and BLAM! No more brakes.
        Fortunately, I found the problem a couple of weeks after purchasing
the car, so I had not been driving around very much before I fixed the issue.
I went ahead and replaced the rear hoses too, although they were in much
better shape.

        Vance


    Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

From pbeckman at ameritech.net  Wed Aug 20 12:39:54 2008
From: pbeckman at ameritech.net (Phil Beckman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:39:54 -0500
Subject: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?
In-Reply-To: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572F4D0572@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <F0ED3FE7C05242ECA43472B8DCA44A06@office.CM.NET><41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AAAD@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net><000301c902d1$5effe9a0$1cffbce0$@com>
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Thanks all for the quick responses.  I definitely plan to get this done in 
the short term.  The mechanic says its not a critical issue right now so I 
told him to hold off on replacing them for now and I'll just do it in a 
couple months when I take the car off the road for the winter.  There are a 
number of other things I need to do to the car anyway.

As an aside, the mechanic really only found a couple significant issues. 
The U-Joints on the half shafts were badly worn so I told him to replace 
them.  The bushings on the steering rack were worn which was causing play in 
the steering (I knew this one going in).  Clutch hydraulics were leaking 
AGAIN.  I told him to just replace the slave rather than rebuilding it 
because I've rebuilt the stupid thing like 4 times now.

Beyond that there's nothing major standing in the way of my heading off into 
central Indiana.  What could possibly go wrong I mean, hey this is a 35 year 
old British car we're talking about here :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Navarrette, Vance" <vance.navarrette at intel.com>
To: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?


>        Don't let the brake hoses go too long before replacing them. My DPO
> let them go until the outer sheath had completely disintegrated, and the
> fabric reinforcement was in tatters. Only the inner tubing was intact. I
> noticed them one day while under the car working on another problem, and I
> about wet myself. One panic stop and BLAM! No more brakes.
>        Fortunately, I found the problem a couple of weeks after purchasing
> the car, so I had not been driving around very much before I fixed the 
> issue.
> I went ahead and replaced the rear hoses too, although they were in much
> better shape.
>
>        Vance
>
>
>    Vance Navarrette
>    Cogito Ergo Zoom
>    I think, therefore I go fast
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From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 13:02:46 2008
From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
Message-ID: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The definition I got for the the term "perished", mostly by osmosis, is that
it is a term used by the Brits for worn out.  If you look through your Bentley
repair manual you'll see this term used a lot, sort of like Bonnett, wings and
hood (top).
 
Mike Lunsford   

From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 13:16:13 2008
From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Turn Signal flasher
Message-ID: <376198.10488.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

As Vance (and others) have said, you can get a perfectly servicable flasher
from any local auto parts store.  I also discovered  that they offered two
kinds of flashers, one which is marked as Louder than normal.  Since the Brits
use right hand drive they logically located the flasher on the right side of
the car allowing them to hear the flasher more easily than for those of us
with left hand drive cars.  Since I have old ears, I also used a couple of
pigtails to relocate the flasher to the left side of my car.  With the loud
flasher on the left side I don't embarass myself quite as much as before when
people just wrote the never ending blinker  off to senility .
 
Mike Lunsford (nearing the top of the hill if not actually over it)  

From stan.foster at hp.com  Wed Aug 20 14:23:30 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:23:30 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
In-Reply-To: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AC09@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

It really has two meanings, one is to die as in they all perished at sea. The
other is often applied to soft materials like rubber and leather when they
become brittle and dry with age and start to deteriorate and break up. It
would not be applied to a solid part for example like a shaft or a bearing.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael
lunsford
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:03 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines

The definition I got for the the term "perished", mostly by osmosis, is that
it is a term used by the Brits for worn out.  If you look through your
Bentley
repair manual you'll see this term used a lot, sort of like Bonnett, wings
and
hood (top).

Mike Lunsford
6pack at autox.team.net
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 20 15:49:13 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:49:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AC09@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AC09@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808201748420.4972@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Foster, Stan wrote:

> It really has two meanings, one is to die as in they all perished at sea. The
> other is often applied to soft materials like rubber and leather when they
> become brittle and dry with age and start to deteriorate and break up. It
> would not be applied to a solid part for example like a shaft or a bearing.

Right - shafts and bearings get "knackered".

:-)

> Stan


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From stan.foster at hp.com  Wed Aug 20 15:50:32 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:50:32 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808201748420.4972@isis.mit.edu>
References: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Precisely !.



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:49 PM
To: Foster, Stan
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Foster, Stan wrote:

> It really has two meanings, one is to die as in they all perished at sea.
The
> other is often applied to soft materials like rubber and leather when they
> become brittle and dry with age and start to deteriorate and break up. It
> would not be applied to a solid part for example like a shaft or a bearing.

Right - shafts and bearings get "knackered".

:-)

> Stan


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From pbeckman at ameritech.net  Wed Aug 20 16:52:10 2008
From: pbeckman at ameritech.net (Phil Beckman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:52:10 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AC3A@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com><41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AC09@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808201748420.4972@isis.mit.edu>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AC3A@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <1AE62E3D5AA5411CB58AB474415AD06D@office.CM.NET>

Sooo...let me get this straight.

My brake lines are perished BUT my rear U-Joints are knackered?

Well that certainly clears things up :)

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Foster, Stan" <stan.foster at hp.com>
To: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines


> Precisely !.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:49 PM
> To: Foster, Stan
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Foster, Stan wrote:
>
>> It really has two meanings, one is to die as in they all perished at sea.
> The
>> other is often applied to soft materials like rubber and leather when 
>> they
>> become brittle and dry with age and start to deteriorate and break up. It
>> would not be applied to a solid part for example like a shaft or a 
>> bearing.
>
> Right - shafts and bearings get "knackered".
>
> :-)
>
>> Stan
>
>
> rml
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From stan.foster at hp.com  Wed Aug 20 17:03:41 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:03:41 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
In-Reply-To: <1AE62E3D5AA5411CB58AB474415AD06D@office.CM.NET>
References: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com><41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AC09@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808201748420.4972@isis.mit.edu>
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By George he's got it :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Beckman
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:52 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines

Sooo...let me get this straight.

My brake lines are perished BUT my rear U-Joints are knackered?

Well that certainly clears things up :)

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Foster, Stan" <stan.foster at hp.com>
To: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines


> Precisely !.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:49 PM
> To: Foster, Stan
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Foster, Stan wrote:
>
>> It really has two meanings, one is to die as in they all perished at sea.
> The
>> other is often applied to soft materials like rubber and leather when
>> they
>> become brittle and dry with age and start to deteriorate and break up. It
>> would not be applied to a solid part for example like a shaft or a
>> bearing.
>
> Right - shafts and bearings get "knackered".
>
> :-)
>
>> Stan
>
>
> rml
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From DLylis at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 17:35:26 2008
From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:35:26 EDT
Subject: [6pack] "Perished" brake lines?
Message-ID: <bd5.384c8852.35de043e@aol.com>

When I hear the words "perished" and "brake lines" in the same sentence, my  
ears perk up.  So should yours.  Your car is going to be in the shop  anyway.  
Have it done.  It is not difficult nor expensive, at least  not as expensive 
as the possible alternative.
 
David  Lylis
69 TR6 CC26160L
60 TR3A TS74461LO



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From fishplate at charter.net  Wed Aug 20 18:50:14 2008
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:50:14 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
In-Reply-To: <1AE62E3D5AA5411CB58AB474415AD06D@office.CM.NET>
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At 06:52 PM 8/20/2008, Phil Beckman wrote:

>Sooo...let me get this straight.
>
>My brake lines are perished BUT my rear U-Joints are knackered?

Nope.  They're slap wore out...

From DLylis at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 18:58:42 2008
From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:58:42 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Turn Signal flasher
Message-ID: <c4d.37b5095e.35de17c2@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2008 2:17:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com writes:

Since I  have old ears, I also used a couple of
pigtails to relocate the flasher to  the left side of my car.  With the loud
flasher on the left side I  don't embarass myself quite as much as before when
people just wrote the  never ending blinker  off to senility .



I have considered wiring the horns into the flasher.
 
David  Lylis
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60 TR3A TS74461LO



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From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Wed Aug 20 19:24:16 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:24:16 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
In-Reply-To: <20080821004956.PPMX10008.aarprv04.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net>
References: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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	<1AE62E3D5AA5411CB58AB474415AD06D@office.CM.NET>,
	<20080821004956.PPMX10008.aarprv04.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net>
Message-ID: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F0EB@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>

Actually, what happens is that the rubber on the interior of the line swells,
and can actually flake off.  Also it will get soft.  The result can be
degraded breaking, and the possibility of clogged lines.  If they are
original, I would seriously consider replacing them

Cheers.
________________________________________
From: 6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net
[6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Jeff Scarbrough [fishplate at charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:50 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines

At 06:52 PM 8/20/2008, Phil Beckman wrote:

>Sooo...let me get this straight.
>
>My brake lines are perished BUT my rear U-Joints are knackered?

Nope.  They're slap wore out...
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From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Thu Aug 21 08:18:39 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:18:39 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
In-Reply-To: <1AE62E3D5AA5411CB58AB474415AD06D@office.CM.NET>
References: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com><41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AC09@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808201748420.4972@isis.mit.edu>
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Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572F546113@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

        Phil:

        Correct. Some fettling is required. =:-o


    Vance Navarrette
    UK and US: Two countries separated by a common language.

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Phil Beckman
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:52 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines

Sooo...let me get this straight.

My brake lines are perished BUT my rear U-Joints are knackered?

Well that certainly clears things up :)

Phil

From rpeglow at optonline.net  Thu Aug 21 11:21:36 2008
From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:21:36 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Perished brake lines
References: <515872.3647.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <005e01c903b2$5d98d950$23f37b45@gpcorporate.com>

Spot on!
Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Navarrette, Vance" <vance.navarrette at intel.com>
To: "Phil Beckman" <pbeckman at ameritech.net>; <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines


>         Phil:
>
>         Correct. Some fettling is required. =:-o
>
>
>     Vance Navarrette
>     UK and US: Two countries separated by a common language.
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Of
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> To: 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Perished brake lines
>
> Sooo...let me get this straight.
>
> My brake lines are perished BUT my rear U-Joints are knackered?
>
> Well that certainly clears things up :)
>
> Phil
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From ianbreyer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 08:55:03 2008
From: ianbreyer at yahoo.com (Ian Breyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] fuel pump
Message-ID: <742740.49490.qm@web52511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

First of all thanks for the suggestions for my problematic zipper. Will let everyone know the result when I get around to trying to fix it.

On another note it appears my fuel pump is leaking, which would explain why my fuel economy has been so poor. Does anyone have a recommendation on the available replacement pumps? TRF and Moss (haven't checked anyone else yet) appear to have similar original style replacements but the price from TRF is over double the price from Moss. Does anyone have any insight why the prices are so vastly different? If the TRF pump is vastly superior it is probably worth it but if not...

Ian


Ian Breyer
36 Mechanic Street, 1st Floor
New Haven, CT 06511
home email: ianbreyer at yahoo.com
work email: ibreyer at hartynet.com

From stan.foster at hp.com  Thu Aug 21 09:13:47 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:13:47 +0000
Subject: [6pack] fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <742740.49490.qm@web52511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <742740.49490.qm@web52511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AD86@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Ian, if you have the original AC pump you could try just refurbing it with a
kit. Re cost of pumps, there are some cheap Chinese repro parts out there that
are junk, choose carefully..

Make sure you don't get anything caught in that zipper.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian
Breyer
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:55 AM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] fuel pump

First of all thanks for the suggestions for my problematic zipper. Will let
everyone know the result when I get around to trying to fix it.

On another note it appears my fuel pump is leaking, which would explain why my
fuel economy has been so poor. Does anyone have a recommendation on the
available replacement pumps? TRF and Moss (haven't checked anyone else yet)
appear to have similar original style replacements but the price from TRF is
over double the price from Moss. Does anyone have any insight why the prices
are so vastly different? If the TRF pump is vastly superior it is probably
worth it but if not...

Ian

From stuartt at tlthompson.com  Thu Aug 21 09:15:51 2008
From: stuartt at tlthompson.com (Stuart Thompson)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:15:51 -0500
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Speedo Cable Broken
References: <8CAD07A1D96291B-17D8-1409@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <5321246D36B04BDB84435489A204F785@Dell320>

Try recalibrating the triple triode actuator which will help release tension 
on
the L-2104 sensor illuminator. Then shimmy the schling bracket back into
phase until the pre-load tensioner is parallell with the dyna plate bearings
allowing for duo-alignment of the flinker node modulator. 

From ianbreyer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 12:56:24 2008
From: ianbreyer at yahoo.com (Ian Breyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:56:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] fuel pump
Message-ID: <794923.8225.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I went with the rebuild kit and used the money I saved to invest in
alternative energy stocks!!!!!!........actually I forked the rest of it over
to Charles Runyan to replace some other broken stuff.
 
Thanks again listers.
Ian

Ian Breyer
36 Mechanic Street, 1st Floor
New Haven, CT 06511
home email: ianbreyer at yahoo.com
work email: ibreyer at hartynet.com

From samuelsma at aol.com  Thu Aug 21 13:34:03 2008
From: samuelsma at aol.com (samuelsma at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:34:03 -0400
Subject: [6pack] fuel pump
Message-ID: <8CAD1DC00DB923C-C80-D77@webmail-nd01.sysops.aol.com>

Stan:

What about replacing your mechanical pump with an electrical one?? I did that with my '76.? It cost the same with installation, is unlikely to leak in the future, and seems to work great.? There is a blanking plate that blocks off the place that the mechanical pump used to go.? The electric pump is attached to the frame.

Just a thought.

Michael
'76 Tahiti blue
CF 57044U

From stan.foster at hp.com  Thu Aug 21 13:41:28 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:41:28 +0000
Subject: [6pack] fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <8CAD1DC00DB923C-C80-D77@webmail-nd01.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAD1DC00DB923C-C80-D77@webmail-nd01.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AE4B@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Hi Michael, I'm not the one with the leak (well, that that leak anyway..) but
by coincidence I do plan to convert to electric this winter and I have the
blanking plate etc ready to go.

Stan

From: samuelsma at aol.com [mailto:samuelsma at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:34 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net; Foster, Stan
Subject: fuel pump

Stan:

What about replacing your mechanical pump with an electrical one?  I did that
with my '76.  It cost the same with installation, is unlikely to leak in the
future, and seems to work great.  There is a blanking plate that blocks off
the place that the mechanical pump used to go.  The electric pump is attached
to the frame.

Just a thought.

Michael
'76 Tahiti blue
CF 57044U

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 21 20:47:58 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:47:58 -0500
Subject: [6pack] traffiator/blinker woes continues
References: <360000018-1219151616-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1965151146-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <000701c90401$8c9a7160$3d01000a@Ranteer.local>

finally dove in and found the blinker unit over on the passenger side 
against the fender under the dash.  i'm sure it was original <wink>; it was 
made in Japan.  (Rucas?)

went to a flaps, paid a couple bucks, and put it in.  ahhhhhhh,  blinkers 
like they should. 

From johnehorton at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 23:08:03 2008
From: johnehorton at yahoo.com (johnehorton at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:08:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
Message-ID: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I saw this.  It is not Triumph related.  But scares the devil out of me.  This man wants to eliminate the military.  



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: John Senerchia <jakas9 at cox.net>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient at yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:17:35 PM
Subject: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE

 
 

 

 
 WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM  WEBSITE






This is a 51-second  video of Obama  telling us  what he will do to the  military...watch it before this is removed off the web site.
Pass it  on...  you can view the speech in it's entirety by following  directions on the video comments

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america 

From acekraut11 at aol.com  Thu Aug 21 23:24:15 2008
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:24:15 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
In-Reply-To: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CAD22E74161F00-1168-40BD@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com>

 John,

It may have been an unintentional mistake on your part to post this email to this list.? It is a free country and you are entitled to your thoughts and beliefs but political opinions are best left unshared on this list.? There are plenty of other forums for those topics to be discussed on the web.

Respectfully submitted,

Aaron


 


Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: johnehorton at yahoo.com
To: Angela Cotton <angela-iwnet at lineone.net>; Anthony <rx7tii233 at aol.com>; Armand LaCasse <armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com>; Armand LeCasse LeCasse <big.blue.truck at live.com>
Cc: TR6 <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 1:08 am
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE










I saw this.  It is not Triumph related.  But scares the devil out of me.  This 
man wants to eliminate the military.  



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: John Senerchia <jakas9 at cox.net>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient at yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:17:35 PM
Subject: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE

 
 

 

 
 WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM  WEBSITE

From grant at bowtie6.com  Fri Aug 22 05:39:32 2008
From: grant at bowtie6.com (Joseph Grant)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:39:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
In-Reply-To: <8CAD22E74161F00-1168-40BD@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com>
References: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8CAD22E74161F00-1168-40BD@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901c9044b$bf6056b0$3e210410$@com>

I agree 100% with Aaron regarding this posting.

Joe
'72 TR6 - CC77169
http://www.bowtie6.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
acekraut11 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 01:24
To: johnehorton at yahoo.com; angela-iwnet at lineone.net; rx7tii233 at aol.com;
armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com; big.blue.truck at live.com
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE

 John,

It may have been an unintentional mistake on your part to post this email to
this list.? It is a free country and you are entitled to your thoughts and
beliefs but political opinions are best left unshared on this list.? There
are plenty of other forums for those topics to be discussed on the web.

Respectfully submitted,

Aaron


 


Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Fri Aug 22 06:29:32 2008
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:29:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
References: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8CAD22E74161F00-1168-40BD@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701c90452$bb398c30$0300a8c0@Desktop>

That's what we will get if he make it into office and its only the start



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <acekraut11 at aol.com>
To: <johnehorton at yahoo.com>; <angela-iwnet at lineone.net>; 
<rx7tii233 at aol.com>; <armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com>; 
<big.blue.truck at live.com>
Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE


> John,
>
> It may have been an unintentional mistake on your part to post this email 
> to this list.? It is a free country and you are entitled to your thoughts 
> and beliefs but political opinions are best left unshared on this list.? 
> There are plenty of other forums for those topics to be discussed on the 
> web.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> Aaron Cropley
> 71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
> http://www.triumphowners.com/108
> 2002 Mini Cooper S
> Topsham, Maine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnehorton at yahoo.com
> To: Angela Cotton <angela-iwnet at lineone.net>; Anthony <rx7tii233 at aol.com>; 
> Armand LaCasse <armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com>; Armand LeCasse LeCasse 
> <big.blue.truck at live.com>
> Cc: TR6 <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 1:08 am
> Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I saw this.  It is not Triumph related.  But scares the devil out of me. 
> This
> man wants to eliminate the military.
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: John Senerchia <jakas9 at cox.net>
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient at yahoo.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:17:35 PM
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM  WEBSITE
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From Timbo00001 at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 06:42:46 2008
From: Timbo00001 at aol.com (Timbo00001 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:42:46 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
Message-ID: <c31.3cb7784d.35e00e46@aol.com>

Let's keep this Triumph related.  Keep your views to yourself.
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2008 8:26:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wensley_Tr at comcast.net writes:

That's  what we will get if he make it into office and its only the  start



----- Original Message ----- 
From:  <acekraut11 at aol.com>
To: <johnehorton at yahoo.com>;  <angela-iwnet at lineone.net>; 
<rx7tii233 at aol.com>;  <armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com>;  
<big.blue.truck at live.com>
Cc:  <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24  AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM  WEBSITE


> John,
>
> It may have been an  unintentional mistake on your part to post this email 
> to this list.?  It is a free country and you are entitled to your thoughts 
> and  beliefs but political opinions are best left unshared on this list.? 
>  There are plenty of other forums for those topics to be discussed on the  
> web.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
>  Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> Aaron Cropley
> 71  TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
>  http://www.triumphowners.com/108
> 2002 Mini Cooper S
> Topsham,  Maine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: johnehorton at yahoo.com
> To: Angela Cotton  <angela-iwnet at lineone.net>; Anthony <rx7tii233 at aol.com>; 
>  Armand LaCasse <armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com>; Armand LeCasse LeCasse  
> <big.blue.truck at live.com>
> Cc: TR6  <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 1:08 am
>  Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM  WEBSITE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  I saw this.  It is not Triumph related.  But scares the devil out of  me. 
> This
> man wants to eliminate the  military.
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>  From: John Senerchia <jakas9 at cox.net>
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From sakirsis at consolidated.net  Fri Aug 22 07:33:28 2008
From: sakirsis at consolidated.net (Steve Kirsis)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:33:28 -0500
Subject: [6pack] C'mon
Message-ID: <5A71254E92C04275B051DCE89CC1827D@stevekirsisPC>

Lets not slime up this wonderful web-site. Steve Kirsis

From stuartt at tlthompson.com  Fri Aug 22 07:52:34 2008
From: stuartt at tlthompson.com (Stuart Thompson)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:52:34 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
Message-ID: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>

Fellow Listers:

I have been getting an intermittent cracking sound coming from the
rear end of my '74 TR6. The differential was rebuilt a few years ago
when I replaced the U-joints.

When the differential was out I discovered a cracked mounting
bracket (forward right) that was welded back but not reinforced.
Visual inspection shows the welded bracket appears to be
holding together.

What would be the most likely cause of a cracking sound? It does
it sometimes when just backing out of the garage or even turning the
corner at 15 mph.

It does not do it all the time. Last weekend I drove it approx 50 miles
and it only made that sound once or twice.

I am hesitant to venture too far from home until I know what's wrong
or about to give out.

I suppose it could be any number of things. My other 74 TR6 with
higher mileage never made this sound.

Regards,

Stuart

http://www.triumphowners.com/1069

From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 07:55:08 2008
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] postings
Message-ID: <735225.97245.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

People -
 
Let's not get in a huge twist over what is posted on this forum. What binds
all of us together is our interest in eccentric little machines that - when
they work right - give us a lot of pleasure. And even when they don't work
right, we get even more pleasure from fettling them back to health.
 
Perhaps we can afford to be tolerant of each other. After all, we're
passionate individuals. We're passionate about our ridiculous little cars,
we're passionate about enjoying life, so it stands to reason that some of us
may be passionate about our beliefs. I'm willing to let things like this slip
by, even in cases where I may not agree. We don't always agree about our
cars!
 
Just a bit of simple philosophy from rural Missouri.
 
Jim

From Robert.P.Waldrop at USA.dupont.com  Fri Aug 22 08:02:05 2008
From: Robert.P.Waldrop at USA.dupont.com (Robert P Waldrop)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:02:05 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Robert P Waldrop/AE/DuPont is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF045583D1.30499132-ON852574AD.004D189C-852574AD.004D189D@CDCLN05.LVS.DUPONT.COM>

I will be out of the office starting  08/21/2008 and will not return until
08/25/2008.

I will have very limited availability during this time.  You may leave me a
voice-mail at 800-284-3382 ext 5324 and I'll respond when I'm able.
Orders or order inquiries may be sent to:
MCMCUSTOMERSERVICE at USA.DUPONT.COM or you can contact customer service at
800-284-3382 extension 5775 option #1.

For immediate sales assistance, contact Brian Veeder at 800-284-3382
Extension 5579.

Regards, Robert Waldrop


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From stan.foster at hp.com  Fri Aug 22 08:02:24 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:02:24 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
In-Reply-To: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>
References: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AFA8@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Stuart, there are lots of possibilities unfortunately. Even if you welded up
the bracket they can crack in places that you cant see easily without dropping
the diff and checking the pins at the top and the brackets below. Another
possibility is the diff mounts especially if you have the rubber mounts with
the metal tube. Sometimes the bond between the tube and the rubber breaks
allowing the diff to move more than it should.

Could you describe more about when you hear this noise and is there anything
that you can do provoke it ?

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stuart
Thompson
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:53 AM
To: 6 Pack list
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound

Fellow Listers:

I have been getting an intermittent cracking sound coming from the
rear end of my '74 TR6. The differential was rebuilt a few years ago
when I replaced the U-joints.

When the differential was out I discovered a cracked mounting
bracket (forward right) that was welded back but not reinforced.
Visual inspection shows the welded bracket appears to be
holding together.

What would be the most likely cause of a cracking sound? It does
it sometimes when just backing out of the garage or even turning the
corner at 15 mph.

It does not do it all the time. Last weekend I drove it approx 50 miles
and it only made that sound once or twice.

I am hesitant to venture too far from home until I know what's wrong
or about to give out.

I suppose it could be any number of things. My other 74 TR6 with
higher mileage never made this sound.

Regards,

Stuart

http://www.triumphowners.com/1069

From stuartt at tlthompson.com  Fri Aug 22 08:07:36 2008
From: stuartt at tlthompson.com (Stuart Thompson)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:07:36 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
References: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AFA8@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <2510B4EB9E2D405886AC61F995904DCD@Dell320>

Only happens when accelerating in reverse or forward.

>
> Could you describe more about when you hear this noise and is there 
> anything that you can do provoke it ?
>
> Stan

From stan.foster at hp.com  Fri Aug 22 08:17:59 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:17:59 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
In-Reply-To: <2510B4EB9E2D405886AC61F995904DCD@Dell320>
References: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AFA8@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<2510B4EB9E2D405886AC61F995904DCD@Dell320>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AFB9@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Well first I would eliminate the obvious like splines and hubs and shocks and
if you have wire wheels they can get lose spokes and crackle/tinkle too. Most
back end issues clonk rather than crackle though and if nobody else comes up
with any better ideas over the next few days you may have to drop the diff and
check the mounts and bushes.

You should be able to feel the top of the diff pins with your hand and check
for drastic failure at that end but in the end the only way to really check
the diff mounts is to drop the diff.

Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Thompson [mailto:stuartt at tlthompson.com]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:08 AM
To: Foster, Stan; 6 Pack list
Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound

Only happens when accelerating in reverse or forward.

>
> Could you describe more about when you hear this noise and is there
> anything that you can do provoke it ?
>
> Stan

From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Fri Aug 22 08:27:25 2008
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:27:25 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
References: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320><41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AFA8@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<2510B4EB9E2D405886AC61F995904DCD@Dell320>
Message-ID: <009801c90463$3303cbd0$0300a8c0@Desktop>

raise the car up in the air and put it in gear see if you
can hear something if not try reverse
If you do hear it check for what could be lose
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Thompson" <stuartt at tlthompson.com>
To: "Foster, Stan" <stan.foster at hp.com>; "6 Pack list" 
<6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound


> Only happens when accelerating in reverse or forward.
>
>>
>> Could you describe more about when you hear this noise and is there
>> anything that you can do provoke it ?
>>
>> Stan
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 22 08:28:16 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:28:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] postings
In-Reply-To: <735225.97245.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <735225.97245.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808221027140.10034@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Jim Jones wrote:

> People -
>
> Let's not get in a huge twist over what is posted on this forum. What binds
> all of us together is our interest in eccentric little machines that - when
> they work right - give us a lot of pleasure. And even when they don't work
> right, we get even more pleasure from fettling them back to health.
>
> Perhaps we can afford to be tolerant of each other. After all, we're
> passionate individuals. We're passionate about our ridiculous little cars,
> we're passionate about enjoying life, so it stands to reason that some of us
> may be passionate about our beliefs. I'm willing to let things like this slip
> by, even in cases where I may not agree. We don't always agree about our
> cars!
>
> Just a bit of simple philosophy from rural Missouri.

Does drinking Mint Juleps or bourbon help?

:-)

> Jim

Dry in Boston,
rml
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From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Fri Aug 22 08:27:02 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:27:02 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
In-Reply-To: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F0EC@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>

Welcome to the first of the "swiftboat" b.s.  Furthermore, I read it in the
Star. Or National Perspirer.  And by the way, I always "click" on all those
e-mails that tell me my bank account needs to be updated. And if you believe
this, then I'll send you an e-mail so you can provide ME with your
banking/credit card information, so I can confirm that your accounts are  OK.
At least for the next couple of hours.
________________________________________
From: 6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net
[6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
johnehorton at yahoo.com [johnehorton at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:08 AM
To: Angela Cotton; Anthony; Armand LaCasse; Armand LeCasse LeCasse
Cc: TR6
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE

I saw this.  It is not Triumph related.  But scares the devil out of me.  This
man wants to eliminate the military.



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: John Senerchia <jakas9 at cox.net>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient at yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:17:35 PM
Subject: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE







 WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM  WEBSITE






This is a 51-second  video of Obama  telling us  what he will do to the
military...watch it before this is removed off the web site.
Pass it  on...  you can view the speech in it's entirety by following
directions on the video comments

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america
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From stuartt at tlthompson.com  Fri Aug 22 08:32:03 2008
From: stuartt at tlthompson.com (Stuart Thompson)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:32:03 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
References: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AFA8@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<2510B4EB9E2D405886AC61F995904DCD@Dell320>
	<41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743AFB9@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <340C7D9447C342C98DDA1252E270A3DC@Dell320>

My car is mostly original including the wheels. It's definitely not a clonk 
as I get that sometimes too.
The crackle is pretty loud so it must be under a lot of stress/pressure. 
I'll plan on dropping it down
this winter so I can have a better look. It needs some attention including 
replacing the bushes.



> Well first I would eliminate the obvious like splines and hubs and shocks 
> and if you have wire wheels they can get lose spokes and crackle/tinkle 
> too. Most back end issues clonk rather than crackle though and if nobody 
> else comes up with any better ideas over the next few days you may have to 
> drop the diff and check the mounts and bushes.
>
> You should be able to feel the top of the diff pins with your hand and 
> check for drastic failure at that end but in the end the only way to 
> really check the diff mounts is to drop the diff.
>
> Stan
> -----Original Message-----

From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Fri Aug 22 08:31:29 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:31:29 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
In-Reply-To: <8CAD22E74161F00-1168-40BD@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com>
References: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>,
	<8CAD22E74161F00-1168-40BD@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F0ED@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>

Aaron is right on spot.  This kind of "blog" has no business on this list.
________________________________________
From: 6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net
[6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
acekraut11 at aol.com [acekraut11 at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24 AM
To: johnehorton at yahoo.com; angela-iwnet at lineone.net; rx7tii233 at aol.com;
armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com; big.blue.truck at live.com
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE

 John,

It may have been an unintentional mistake on your part to post this email to
this list.? It is a free country and you are entitled to your thoughts and
beliefs but political opinions are best left unshared on this list.? There are
plenty of other forums for those topics to be discussed on the web.

Respectfully submitted,

Aaron





Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine






-----Original Message-----
From: johnehorton at yahoo.com
To: Angela Cotton <angela-iwnet at lineone.net>; Anthony <rx7tii233 at aol.com>;
Armand LaCasse <armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com>; Armand LeCasse LeCasse
<big.blue.truck at live.com>
Cc: TR6 <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 1:08 am
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE










I saw this.  It is not Triumph related.  But scares the devil out of me.
This
man wants to eliminate the military.



----- Forwarded Message ----
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To: Undisclosed-Recipient at yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:17:35 PM
Subject: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE







 WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM  WEBSITE
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From wayne at motorcarriage.com  Fri Aug 22 08:37:24 2008
From: wayne at motorcarriage.com (Wayne Lee)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:37:24 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE
References: <201818.66521.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F0EC@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <5D98684CDB654193BE2ED6ED9AC442D9@D9Z8J571>

Yeah, That's it...!   Somebody must of photoshopped that video. oh, wait a 
minute, they can't...Or maybe, that's really his brother they pulled out of 
the Hut for the Video, You know the Enquirer. They actually got people 
thinking John Edwards could be unfaithful... No good liberal should believe 
such rubbish. Forget facts, they can be very disruptive to our party. See 
you in Denver... ahh nevermind then.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruffner, James A *HS" <JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu>
To: <johnehorton at yahoo.com>; "Angela Cotton" <angela-iwnet at lineone.net>; 
"Anthony" <rx7tii233 at aol.com>; "ArmandLaCasse" 
<armand.l.lacasse at wellsfargo.com>; "Armand LeCasse LeCasse" 
<big.blue.truck at live.com>
Cc: "TR6" <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: WATCH THIS BEFORE IT IS REMOVED FROM WEBSITE


> Welcome to the first of the "swiftboat" b.s.  Furthermore, I read it in 
> the
> Star. Or National Perspirer.  And by the way, I always "click" on all 
> those
> e-mails that tell me my bank account needs to be updated. And if you 
> believe
> this, then I'll send you an e-mail so you can provide ME with your
> banking/credit card information, so I can confirm that your accounts are 
> OK.
> At least for the next couple of hours.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is a 51-second  video of Obama  telling us  what he will do to the
> military...watch it before this is removed off the web site.
> Pass it  on...  you can view the speech in it's entirety by following
> directions on the video comments
>
> http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america
> 6pack at autox.team.net
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From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 08:40:11 2008
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] postings
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808221027140.10034@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <993824.63636.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, I am quite philosophical after a number bourbons. It's the universal
lubricant of the Great Thinkers.
 
JJ (hic)

--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [6pack] postings
To: "Jim Jones" <jimjcmo at yahoo.com>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:28 AM

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Jim Jones wrote:

> People -
>
> Let's not get in a huge twist over what is posted on this forum. What
binds
> all of us together is our interest in eccentric little machines that -
when
> they work right - give us a lot of pleasure. And even when they don't
work
> right, we get even more pleasure from fettling them back to health.
>
> Perhaps we can afford to be tolerant of each other. After all, we're
> passionate individuals. We're passionate about our ridiculous little
cars,
> we're passionate about enjoying life, so it stands to reason that some
of us
> may be passionate about our beliefs. I'm willing to let things like
this slip
> by, even in cases where I may not agree. We don't always agree about
our
> cars!
>
> Just a bit of simple philosophy from rural Missouri.

Does drinking Mint Juleps or bourbon help?

:-)

> Jim

Dry in Boston,
rml
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From wayne at motorcarriage.com  Fri Aug 22 08:44:50 2008
From: wayne at motorcarriage.com (Wayne Lee)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:44:50 -0400
Subject: [6pack] postings
References: <993824.63636.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7028AE65FE374D3CB1DA12351B31B525@D9Z8J571>

I thought that was Scotch actually. Any famous Bourbon drinking thinkers I 
should know about?
W.L.
64 TR4
75 TR6 Daily Driver

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Jones" <jimjcmo at yahoo.com>
To: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] postings


> Yes, I am quite philosophical after a number bourbons. It's the universal
> lubricant of the Great Thinkers.
>
> JJ (hic)
>
> --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [6pack] postings
> To: "Jim Jones" <jimjcmo at yahoo.com>
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:28 AM
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Jim Jones wrote:
>
>> People -
>>
>> Let's not get in a huge twist over what is posted on this forum. What
> binds
>> all of us together is our interest in eccentric little machines that -
> when
>> they work right - give us a lot of pleasure. And even when they don't
> work
>> right, we get even more pleasure from fettling them back to health.
>>
>> Perhaps we can afford to be tolerant of each other. After all, we're
>> passionate individuals. We're passionate about our ridiculous little
> cars,
>> we're passionate about enjoying life, so it stands to reason that some
> of us
>> may be passionate about our beliefs. I'm willing to let things like
> this slip
>> by, even in cases where I may not agree. We don't always agree about
> our
>> cars!
>>
>> Just a bit of simple philosophy from rural Missouri.
>
> Does drinking Mint Juleps or bourbon help?
>
> :-)
>
>> Jim
>
> Dry in Boston,
> rml
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From fishplate at charter.net  Fri Aug 22 08:49:06 2008
From: fishplate at charter.net (fishplate at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 7:49:06 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
In-Reply-To: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>
Message-ID: <20080822104906.GTTVX.387405.root@fepweb13>

---- Stuart Thompson <stuartt at tlthompson.com> wrote: 

> What would be the most likely cause of a cracking sound? It does
> it sometimes when just backing out of the garage or even turning the
> corner at 15 mph.

My U-joints made a sound like wrinkling up a beer can when they went bad.  Perhaps this is what you are hearing?

Jeff Scarbrough
No Political Rants, Ga.

From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 09:09:58 2008
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:09:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] postings
In-Reply-To: <7028AE65FE374D3CB1DA12351B31B525@D9Z8J571>
Message-ID: <607565.77061.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, there's James Dickey (wrote Deliverance), F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest
Hemingway, Mark Twain.
 
Then there's my guiding light, the actor George Raft, who was known for
playing gangsters during the 30' & 40's. When asked way he had money problems
when he'd made so many movies, he answered: "I have spent most of my money on
women, horse racing, and whiskey. The rest I wasted."
 
I'm sure there are some others, but they escape me for now.
 
J.

--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Wayne Lee <wayne at motorcarriage.com> wrote:

From: Wayne Lee <wayne at motorcarriage.com>
Subject: Re: [6pack] postings
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:44 AM

I thought that was Scotch actually. Any famous Bourbon drinking thinkers I
should know about?
W.L.
64 TR4
75 TR6 Daily Driver

From apackard68 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 22 09:07:12 2008
From: apackard68 at comcast.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:07:12 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Rod at bottom of door guts
Message-ID: <20080822151211.9AA17187956@autox.team.net>

Hello all:

My TR250 is slowly coming together.  Everything seems to need a little extra
attention to go back on clean with fresh hardware while accommodating all
the aftermarket stuff.

 

I put my door guts in the passenger side.  Thanks to Bob D. and his website
for some advice on eliminating rattles.  I had previously updated the felt
in the channels, but pinching the tops of the channels and strategically
adding padding should help ward off any rattle gremlins in the future.  

 

My question is about the black bracket at the bottom that limits the down
travel of the window.  There's a rod passing through the bracket that hooks
to the brackets of each window channel.  What purpose does it serve?  Seems
like one more thing to vibrate in there.

 

Thanks for your help as always.

 

Andy

CD6746L

From pbeckman at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 22 09:18:24 2008
From: pbeckman at ameritech.net (Phil Beckman)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:18:24 -0500
Subject: [6pack] postings
In-Reply-To: <7028AE65FE374D3CB1DA12351B31B525@D9Z8J571>
References: <993824.63636.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<7028AE65FE374D3CB1DA12351B31B525@D9Z8J571>
Message-ID: <901954C0D4A742E4AF696B5756916D49@office.CM.NET>

I'm not famous but I am a bourbon drinker and I do sometimes think about 
things.

That's 2 out of 3!

Phil Beckman
Libertyville, IL
73 TR6

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Lee" <wayne at motorcarriage.com>
To: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] postings


>I thought that was Scotch actually. Any famous Bourbon drinking thinkers I
> should know about?
> W.L.
> 64 TR4
> 75 TR6 Daily Driver
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Jones" <jimjcmo at yahoo.com>
> To: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [6pack] postings
>
>
>> Yes, I am quite philosophical after a number bourbons. It's the universal
>> lubricant of the Great Thinkers.
>>
>> JJ (hic)
>>
>> --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] postings
>> To: "Jim Jones" <jimjcmo at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
>> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:28 AM
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Jim Jones wrote:
>>
>>> People -
>>>
>>> Let's not get in a huge twist over what is posted on this forum. What
>> binds
>>> all of us together is our interest in eccentric little machines that -
>> when
>>> they work right - give us a lot of pleasure. And even when they don't
>> work
>>> right, we get even more pleasure from fettling them back to health.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we can afford to be tolerant of each other. After all, we're
>>> passionate individuals. We're passionate about our ridiculous little
>> cars,
>>> we're passionate about enjoying life, so it stands to reason that some
>> of us
>>> may be passionate about our beliefs. I'm willing to let things like
>> this slip
>>> by, even in cases where I may not agree. We don't always agree about
>> our
>>> cars!
>>>
>>> Just a bit of simple philosophy from rural Missouri.
>>
>> Does drinking Mint Juleps or bourbon help?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> Dry in Boston,
>> rml
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Bob Lang              NER/SCCA                 |  This space for rent
>> Solo Chair 2008       TR6 40 F Prepared        |  Triumph!
>> Voice:781-438-2568    FAX: 617-258-9535        |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From wayne at motorcarriage.com  Fri Aug 22 09:26:16 2008
From: wayne at motorcarriage.com (Wayne Lee)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:26:16 -0400
Subject: [6pack] postings
References: <607565.77061.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FD00983ADF8D4324A49D800E15F5C5BD@D9Z8J571>

Good enough for me. Although I notice they're all fiction writers. Not that it
matters, that requires good thinking or a good imagination anyways.
Cheers,
Wayne Lee
Douglas,MA
64 TR4
75 TR6 Daily Driver

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Jones
  To: Wayne Lee
  Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [6pack] postings


        Well, there's James Dickey (wrote Deliverance), F. Scott Fitzgerald,
Ernest Hemingway, Mark Twain.

        Then there's my guiding light, the actor George Raft, who was known
for playing gangsters during the 30' & 40's. When asked way he had money
problems when he'd made so many movies, he answered: "I have spent most of my
money on women, horse racing, and whiskey. The rest I wasted."

        I'm sure there are some others, but they escape me for now.

        J.

        --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Wayne Lee <wayne at motorcarriage.com> wrote:

          From: Wayne Lee <wayne at motorcarriage.com>
          Subject: Re: [6pack] postings
          To: 6pack at autox.team.net
          Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:44 AM


I thought that was Scotch actually. Any famous Bourbon drinking thinkers I
should know about?
W.L.
64 TR4
75 TR6 Daily Driver

From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Fri Aug 22 09:29:30 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:29:30 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
In-Reply-To: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>
References: <FC0992B33FF2414BAA060DE9FC4C8759@Dell320>
Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572F5467BE@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

        Stuart:

        I am thinking that your diff mounts are in the process of failing. The
crack that was repaired may well be fine, but other things besides the
brackets can and do fail. The broken bracket was symptomatic of a broader
failure that is in progress.
        The mounting pins can and do pull out of the frame, and both the front
and rear mounts can fail (although the front ones are far and away the most
common failure).
        I reinforced the front mounts when I did my frame off, but now I am
wishing I had reinforced the back ones too. No problems, but the engine has
been warmed over, and I worry that the back ones might not last especially
when I grab rubber in third gear. Hah!
        I recommend a thorough inspection and even if they pass, get them
reinforced while you are at it. Hire one of those mobile welding guys to
install a kit from TRF, or make your own.

        Vance

    Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Stuart Thompson
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:53 AM
To: 6 Pack list
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound

Fellow Listers:

I have been getting an intermittent cracking sound coming from the
rear end of my '74 TR6. The differential was rebuilt a few years ago
when I replaced the U-joints.

When the differential was out I discovered a cracked mounting
bracket (forward right) that was welded back but not reinforced.
Visual inspection shows the welded bracket appears to be
holding together.

What would be the most likely cause of a cracking sound? It does
it sometimes when just backing out of the garage or even turning the
corner at 15 mph.

It does not do it all the time. Last weekend I drove it approx 50 miles
and it only made that sound once or twice.

<snip>

Regards,

Stuart

From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 09:30:33 2008
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Rod at bottom of door guts
In-Reply-To: <20080822151211.9AA17187956@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <713414.36915.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That rod serves to keep the window channels from spreading at the bottom when
rolling the glass down. I quelled the rattle it makes by gluing some foam
rubber (actually a piece of an old sponge) on the back of the door panel so it
presses against the rod, thereby keeping it from rattling. Yes, it's hillbilly
fix, but it does work.
 
Jim

From 75teer6 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 09:32:54 2008
From: 75teer6 at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:32:54 -0600
Subject: [6pack] postings
In-Reply-To: <7028AE65FE374D3CB1DA12351B31B525@D9Z8J571>
References: <993824.63636.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<7028AE65FE374D3CB1DA12351B31B525@D9Z8J571>
Message-ID: <83dfea6b0808220832h2ff94542r2a5e81f4e0a79330@mail.gmail.com>

While off-topic, should we start a survey on the favourite:

 Bourbon,
 Gin,
 Rum,
 Scotch,
 Rye Whisky

... used as parts lubricant, rust inhibitor, paint polish, interior
air fresheners and knuckle desinfectant ?

Henri

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Wayne Lee <wayne at motorcarriage.com> wrote:
> I thought that was Scotch actually. Any famous Bourbon drinking thinkers I
> should know about?
> W.L.
> 64 TR4
> 75 TR6 Daily Driver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Jones" <jimjcmo at yahoo.com>
> To: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [6pack] postings
>
>
>> Yes, I am quite philosophical after a number bourbons. It's the universal
>> lubricant of the Great Thinkers.
>>
>> JJ (hic)
>>
>> --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] postings
>> To: "Jim Jones" <jimjcmo at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
>> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:28 AM
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Jim Jones wrote:
>>
>>> People -
>>>
>>> Let's not get in a huge twist over what is posted on this forum. What
>> binds
>>> all of us together is our interest in eccentric little machines that -
>> when
>>> they work right - give us a lot of pleasure. And even when they don't
>> work
>>> right, we get even more pleasure from fettling them back to health.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we can afford to be tolerant of each other. After all, we're
>>> passionate individuals. We're passionate about our ridiculous little
>> cars,
>>> we're passionate about enjoying life, so it stands to reason that some
>> of us
>>> may be passionate about our beliefs. I'm willing to let things like
>> this slip
>>> by, even in cases where I may not agree. We don't always agree about
>> our
>>> cars!
>>>
>>> Just a bit of simple philosophy from rural Missouri.
>>
>> Does drinking Mint Juleps or bourbon help?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> Dry in Boston,
>> rml
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Bob Lang              NER/SCCA                 |  This space for rent
>> Solo Chair 2008       TR6 40 F Prepared        |  Triumph!
>> Voice:781-438-2568    FAX: 617-258-9535        |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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>>
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From john.zimmerman at dpg.com  Fri Aug 22 12:09:52 2008
From: john.zimmerman at dpg.com (Zimmerman, John)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:09:52 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
Message-ID: <C7895AAFD1BF2D42AB3584915C027A180511FC@stvexch2.vandorn.dpg.com>

I've found Bombay Saphire & tonic (without the lime) to have some very goog
lubricating qualities.


Thank you,
John Zimmerman
Traffic Supervisor

Demag Plastics Group
11792 Alameda Drive
Strongsville, Ohio 44149-3011

Phone: (440).876.6251
Fax:     (440) 876.6428
email:   john.zimmerman at dpg.com

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 22 12:38:27 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Bourbon Drinkers
In-Reply-To: <607565.77061.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <279364.70964.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

my dad.  god rest his soul.  
   
  only drank Old Fitzgerald, 100 proof, 12 year old Bourbon.

From trglory at comcast.net  Fri Aug 22 14:01:37 2008
From: trglory at comcast.net (Joe Laurito)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:01:37 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
References: <C7895AAFD1BF2D42AB3584915C027A180511FC@stvexch2.vandorn.dpg.com>
Message-ID: <802A3E6AC3534F8296FA5A9EFD84C3E1@Oldbox>

Bombay Saphire with a drop of vermouth is even googer!

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zimmerman, John" <john.zimmerman at dpg.com>
To: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants


> I've found Bombay Saphire & tonic (without the lime) to have some very 
> goog
> lubricating qualities.
>
>
> Thank you,
> John Zimmerman
> Traffic Supervisor
>
> Demag Plastics Group
> 11792 Alameda Drive
> Strongsville, Ohio 44149-3011
>
> Phone: (440).876.6251
> Fax:     (440) 876.6428
> email:   john.zimmerman at dpg.com

From 70tr6 at mindspring.com  Fri Aug 22 14:11:23 2008
From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:11:23 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
In-Reply-To: <802A3E6AC3534F8296FA5A9EFD84C3E1@Oldbox>
References: <C7895AAFD1BF2D42AB3584915C027A180511FC@stvexch2.vandorn.dpg.com>
	<802A3E6AC3534F8296FA5A9EFD84C3E1@Oldbox>
Message-ID: <7FA2C541-CF0D-4DBF-9F16-429130F7765A@mindspring.com>

>> I've found Bombay Saphire & tonic (without the lime) to have some  
>> very
>> goog
>> lubricating qualities.
>>




Perhaps, but if you leave out the lime then you risk getting scurvy.

Be safe out there, always include the lime.

Ashford Little
'70 TR6

From tr6taylor at webtv.net  Fri Aug 22 15:18:44 2008
From: tr6taylor at webtv.net (Sally or Dick Taylor)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:18:44 GMT
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV12F9FC35F275860CB94C2DF46A0@phx.gbl>

Stuart---Others have given you more likely causes of this intermittant cracking sound, so no need to repeat them. I will offer some less likely possible causes, only because they're easy to check.
1) Torque up your wheel lugs. If there is no change in the sound after a drive, switch the wheels, front to back. Grease the front bearings while here, if it looks like they need it.

2) Take the halfshafts apart and grease their splines.

3) With the rear wheels off the ground, try shaking them from top to bottom. (Loose hub)?

4) Grease those U-joints that have fittings in them. One at a time, between test drives. If there's improvement, that's the 'joint that was unhappy and may soon fail.

Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Thompson
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:52 AM
To: 6 Pack list
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent Cracking Sound

Fellow Listers:

I have been getting an intermittent cracking sound coming from the
rear end of my '74 TR6. The differential was rebuilt a few years ago
when I replaced the U-joints.

When the differential was out I discovered a cracked mounting
bracket (forward right) that was welded back but not reinforced.
Visual inspection shows the welded bracket appears to be
holding together.

What would be the most likely cause of a cracking sound? It does
it sometimes when just backing out of the garage or even turning the
corner at 15 mph.

It does not do it all the time. Last weekend I drove it approx 50 miles
and it only made that sound once or twice.

I am hesitant to venture too far from home until I know what's wrong
or about to give out.

I suppose it could be any number of things. My other 74 TR6 with
higher mileage never made this sound.

Regards,

Stuart

http://www.triumphowners.com/1069
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 22 16:04:46 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:04:46 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Uncle Jack    22 Setember 36-16 August 08
Message-ID: <bc8.3858582a.35e091fe@cs.com>

6 Pack

We lost one of our best......

We (a lot of us)  buried Uncle Jack yesterday in Geneseo, Illinois. Jack & 
were best friends for 20 years with nary an unkind word between us. 

We worked together on many projects, and traveled extensively, most of which 
had to do with Triumphs and Triumph people.

For those that are going to join us at Watkins Glen 3-7 September we will be 
memorializing Uncle Jack in the Triumph Paddock, and on the Track. Please join 
us on Saturday evening, if not throughout the weekend.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
Friends of Triumph.

PS: Uncle Jack's Pristine TR6 will be coming up for sale, for those that may 
be interested.

   </HTML>

From tpdwinch at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 17:49:49 2008
From: tpdwinch at yahoo.com (Dale)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:49:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Rod at bottom of door guts
Message-ID: <996996.50821.qm@web36108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Andy
The purpose of the rod is to keep the two channels in alignment and equal
distance apart.
Mine do not vibrate or make noise but the door pull on the
passenger side does.
Dale



----- Original Message ----
From: Andrew Packard
<apackard68 at comcast.net>
To: 6 pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday,
August 22, 2008 11:07:12 AM
Subject: [6pack] Rod at bottom of door guts

Hello
all:

My TR250 is slowly coming together.  Everything seems to need a little
extra
attention to go back on clean with fresh hardware while accommodating
all
the aftermarket stuff.



I put my door guts in the passenger side. 
Thanks to Bob D. and his website
for some advice on eliminating rattles.  I
had previously updated the felt
in the channels, but pinching the tops of the
channels and strategically
adding padding should help ward off any rattle
gremlins in the future.  



My question is about the black bracket at the
bottom that limits the down
travel of the window.  There's a rod passing
through the bracket that hooks
to the brackets of each window channel.  What
purpose does it serve?  Seems
like one more thing to vibrate in there.
Thanks for your help as always.



Andy

CD6746L
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From mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 12:37:21 2008
From: mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com (michael lunsford)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
Message-ID: <381983.18699.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

In extolling the virtues of the lime as a cure for scurvy Ashford failed to
also mention the virtue of the quinine in the tonic.  The tonic part of the
Gin and tonic was reportedly added to the Brit's Gin in Singapore to combat
the effects of the malarial mosquitoes, or so the old wife's tale I heard
indicated.
 
Mike Lunsford, VODKA and tonic for me 

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Aug 23 13:00:43 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:00:43 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Uncle Jack's Miata Seat Conversion Kit
Message-ID: <bc3.2ff89192.35e1b85b@cs.com>

Guys,

Uncle Jack did a production run of the subject brackets this summer.  Sadly, 
we had his funeral last Thursday.  I encouraged him to do this conversion as 
he had done this to his own TR6 and we have the resources to design and produce.

I wish to help with any further business regarding the brackets.  Some maybe 
expecting a shipping of the brackets. Some may want to purchase a set. Some 
have have installation problems and questions and I will want to help resolve.

I have no financial interest.

I had one email regarding the installation of a kit in a TR4A. There was some 
interference in the motion of the seat. I need to know if there are any other 
issues with installation so we can plan to deal with them.

If you are going to be with us at Watkins Glen, we will have some kits there. 
Ted Liberti, I know is going to pick up a couple of sets.

You will want to join us, as guests, in the Triumph Paddock, in any case. 
(Jack's son Tony will be racing....likely very close to the front) We will be 
celebrating the Life of Jack Drews.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
Friends of Triumph

   </HTML>

From stan.foster at hp.com  Sat Aug 23 13:07:22 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:07:22 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
In-Reply-To: <381983.18699.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <381983.18699.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743B124@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Spot on old chap, and a jolly good beverage it is too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_and_tonic


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael
lunsford
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:37 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants

In extolling the virtues of the lime as a cure for scurvy Ashford failed to
also mention the virtue of the quinine in the tonic.  The tonic part of the
Gin and tonic was reportedly added to the Brit's Gin in Singapore to combat
the effects of the malarial mosquitoes, or so the old wife's tale I heard
indicated.

Mike Lunsford, VODKA and tonic for me

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Aug 23 13:37:42 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:37:42 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Nyloc Nut Size for the Rear Dif Mounts
Message-ID: <c15.218ee656.35e1c106@cs.com>

What size threads on the rear dif isolator mounts.

Thanks in advance.

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From forzion at maine.rr.com  Sat Aug 23 18:01:41 2008
From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:01:41 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Non-return Valve
Message-ID: <48B0A4E5.5040705@maine.rr.com>

Hey folks!

Hope your weekend's been a good one thus far...!!

On the brake servo is the non-return valve connecting vacuum to the servo
and engine. Originally, these were bayonet-type inserts, part number 
516907.
As many of you already know, these are no longer available through the
standard parts resellers..... I DO note, however, that  there is a 
push-in type
of non-return valve, part number 18G8953, available from Rimmer Bros and
Moss UK -- for some reason, not carried by the Big 3.

(http://www.moss-europe.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=2404#top).

Will the push in type work in the same way as the original bayonet type? 
Has the
push-in superseded the bayonet type? There WAS a guy in the UK, selling 
them
on eBay a few months ago, but I don't see them listed, now.

Thanks for any insights....

Dave
CF25194U+O+TBI

From janah at att.net  Sun Aug 24 04:41:18 2008
From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:41:18 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Pistons
Message-ID: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home>

Engine rebuild time.  What brand pistons did you go with and why?

John Cyg

From janah at att.net  Sun Aug 24 04:42:45 2008
From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:42:45 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Alloy Waterpump Bodies
Message-ID: <492F8520A13447A180C93D3BC77CD778@p4home>

The cast waterpump body is very heavy.  I think I have seen alloy waterpump 
bodies that look just like the stock cast iron version?  Does anyone know of 
a source? 

From emanteno at comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 07:44:45 2008
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:44:45 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Alloy Waterpump Bodies
Message-ID: <082420081344.15835.48B165CD0008CA7200003DDB2205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "John Cyganowski" <janah at att.net> 

> The cast waterpump body is very heavy. I think I have seen alloy waterpump 
> bodies that look just like the stock cast iron version? Does anyone know of 
> a source? 

Try British Frame & Engine.
http://www.britishframeandengine.com/
NFI
Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL

From stan.foster at hp.com  Sun Aug 24 08:17:29 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:17:29 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Pistons
In-Reply-To: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home>
References: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB743B14E@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

What: +.020 Hepolite from Moss
Why: Had no information that would lead me to do something different

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John
Cyganowski
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:41 AM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Pistons

Engine rebuild time.  What brand pistons did you go with and why?

John Cyg

From anabil007 at comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 09:53:26 2008
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (Bill & AnnaBelle)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:53:26 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Pistons
In-Reply-To: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home>
References: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home>
Message-ID: <p06240800c4d7343859b9@[76.125.39.211]>

Ken Gillanders ... simply the best ... not sure if he has TR6 
pistons, but well worth the inquiry


>Engine rebuild time.  What brand pistons did you go with and why?
>
>John Cyg


-- 
Bill  Pugh
1957 TR3 TS16765L
aka
Casper

AnnaBelle Pugh
1970 TR6 CC59179L
aka
Rosey
Wallace, CA

From forzion at maine.rr.com  Sun Aug 24 11:29:20 2008
From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:29:20 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Pistons
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c4d7343859b9@[76.125.39.211]>
References: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home>
	<p06240800c4d7343859b9@[76.125.39.211]>
Message-ID: <48B19A70.8020000@maine.rr.com>

Ken Gillanders has some interesting reading available to us...

http://www.socaltriumphs.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=3&tabid=4

Dave Friedlander


Bill & AnnaBelle wrote:

>Ken Gillanders ... simply the best ... not sure if he has TR6 
>pistons, but well worth the inquiry
>
>
>  
>
>>Engine rebuild time.  What brand pistons did you go with and why?
>>
>>John Cyg

From StagByTriumph at tscusa.org  Sun Aug 24 13:09:32 2008
From: StagByTriumph at tscusa.org (Glenn A. Merrell)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:09:32 -0600
Subject: [6pack] Kastner Cup, Watkins Glen NY Triumph Team 44, TTA 2009 Drive
Message-ID: <48B1B1EC.903@tscusa.org>

Hi All,

Okay I'm BAAAACK!!
   
I have not been watching the lists too closely due to being 200% into 
this new job, but I note a curious lack of publicity for one of the 
premier Triumph events of this century.

September 5,6,7 2008 at Watkins Glen!

Triumph Race cars, Triumph Race drivers, Concours d' Elegance car shows, 
sight seeing, Lake Seneca, wineries and food, antiques and shopping,  
Triumph celebrities with sports car and racing journalists from all over 
the world, the US Vintage Gran Prix,  and remembrance of those great 
drivers and cars of the past.
 If you are into Triumphs, THIS is the event you should not miss.  But 
if you are into Triumphs, you already know about this epic event.
You will see many of the Friends of Triumph racers  
http://www.fot-racing.com/ who are some of our own marques racing 
legends, including Kas Kastner and more!
I am of course talking about 60 years of memories in one great weekend!  
Watkins Glen International Raceway is celebrating its 60th birthday - 60 
years of Road Racing at the Glen, and featuring the Triumph Marque and 
vintage racers.  Anyone associated with Triumphs and Road Racing will be 
there for the 3 days of celebrations, including a grand festival and car 
show hosted by the town of Watkins Glen.

If you have not made room reservations yet, you will find the closest 
rooms are 50 miles or more away, so expect a drive.

What does this have to do with the TTA 2009 Charity Drive?

Well,  John Macartney is scheduled to attend this historic festival 
event and be in the "Legends Speak" tent at the Grand Prix Festival in 
the town of Watkins Glen, and at the VIP paddock on the race grounds.  I 
will be joining John as the North American 2009 Drive Coordinator as we 
officially kick off the Triumph Trans America 2009 Charity Drive in 
Watkins Glen 4-7 September.  The key to the ignition of the TTA Stag 
starting this drive is only 11 months, and the key to our kickoff is the 
Watkins Glen 60th celebrations.

If you and/or your club have volunteered to support this drive, please 
stop by and chat with us.  If you have worked on the TTA Stag, 
definitely stop by and sign the TTA poster board as a volunteer!!  This 
will be our next step in planning and  preparing for this drive, plus we 
will have the latest photos and status of the TTA Stag being Prepared by 
the Illinois Sports Owners Association (look for STTAG Restoration Team 
Member Irv Korey and others from ISOA to have Stag paint and grease 
under their fingernails!)

See http://www.grandprixfestival.com for details of events on 5 
September, http://www.theglen.com for information about the 60 years 
celebration and races, and for information on the Triumph Trans AmeriCan 
2009 Charity Drive, go to http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk/

See you there!!

-- 
Glenn A. Merrell
TTA 2009 Charity Drive North American Coordinator
Chairman, Triumph Stag Club USA (2007-2009)
The best trophies are miles on the odometer, stone chips in the paint, dead bugs on the windshield!

From DLylis at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 15:35:46 2008
From: DLylis at aol.com (DLylis at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:35:46 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
Message-ID: <c12.3902552a.35e32e32@aol.com>

Ah yes, drinking.  I have been waiting for a topic on the list, of  which I 
can be the noted expert.
 
David  Lylis
69 TR6 CC26160L
60 TR3A TS74461LO



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 25 08:47:15 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:47:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Alloy Waterpump Bodies
In-Reply-To: <492F8520A13447A180C93D3BC77CD778@p4home>
References: <492F8520A13447A180C93D3BC77CD778@p4home>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808251046340.4635@isis.mit.edu>

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, John Cyganowski wrote:

> The cast waterpump body is very heavy.  I think I have seen alloy waterpump
> bodies that look just like the stock cast iron version?  Does anyone know of
> a source?

www.racetorations.co.uk

not cheap, but lighter than steel.... by a lot.

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 25 08:54:11 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:54:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] Pistons
In-Reply-To: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home>
References: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808251048250.4635@isis.mit.edu>

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, John Cyganowski wrote:

> Engine rebuild time.  What brand pistons did you go with and why?

for a street car, get the best you can afford. Best costs more, period. 
get CAST pistons (not forged).

due to industry "consolidation", I have no idea if the Hepolite pistons 
are the same thing that they used to be, but 10 years ago, they had a 
really great product and the sets were more or less matched, so the piston 
weighed in within a few grams of each other which made balancing easy.

If you get cheap pistons, they will likey NOT be matched, and you give up 
what you save on the purchase cost on balancing costs... if you balance.

But before you go the ne wpiston route, make sure that you really need 
them. I have over 135k miles on my original TR6 pistons! I've done a 
light hone and replaced the rings TWICE so far. I do need pistons on the 
next rebuild...

But the tr6 engine block seems to be pretty durable - at least that's my 
experience. And it _might_ explain why you can still buy a NEW TR6 block 
if you need one.

> John Cyg

regards,
rml
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From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu  Mon Aug 25 10:07:38 2008
From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:07:38 -0600
Subject: [6pack] NOT LBC, rivets question
Message-ID: <A7267C3ADCF84EFDB66978D40B4BB36F@nmsu.edu>

All aluminum horse trailer.  Hinged rear doors, hinges are held onto trailer
door frame with what appear to be quarter inch pop rivets.  Horse went nuts,
pulled out the rivets.  First, is there any such thing as pop rivets that
large?  The biggest I've seen are 3/16.  Second, trailer frame is 4 * 2 inch
box tubing.  Will it weaken the frame too much if I drill through the
original rivet holes, then through the back side, and reattach the hinges
with bolts?  Third, any suggestions on how to talk my spousal unit into
allowing me to buy a TIG welder so I can just weld the silly hinges back on?



Kevin







L. Kevin McNelis, PhD, CPA



New Mexico State University

505-646-2485

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From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug 25 10:10:39 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:10:39 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Unusual oil pump failure
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D48F68@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

I recently lost all oil pressure and after the usual checks decided the oil
pump was the most likely culprit even though sudden catastrophic failure
seemed unlikely.

On examining the pump and comparing the innards with a new pump it was clear
that something was terribly wrong as the shaft on the old pump was .25 inch
shorter than the shaft on the new pump and it no longer engaged with the slot
in the shaft on the dizzy drive gear.

You can see the differences in this photobucket album, old pump shaft on the
left, new pump shaft on the right.

http://www.photobucket.com/TR6oilpump

One of the images shows the new pump with the rotor pinned to the shaft. The
old pump has no such pin and this allowed the shaft to migrate down the pump.
I verified that I can tap the shaft up and down.

The old pump is not the original. It was installed around 1980 when the PO did
a minor engine refresh. I'm wondering if there is a history of pumps purchased
in that era having this problem ?. There is nothing on the old pump casting
that would indicate who made it, just a few numbers. The body is aluminum.

Stan

From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug 25 10:15:27 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:15:27 +0000
Subject: [6pack] NOT LBC, rivets question
In-Reply-To: <A7267C3ADCF84EFDB66978D40B4BB36F@nmsu.edu>
References: <A7267C3ADCF84EFDB66978D40B4BB36F@nmsu.edu>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D48F6D@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Kevin, just explain that to get the trailer repaired professionally it will
cost about the same as a good quality TIG welder so why not buy the welder
instead and then you would be able to fix the trailer and do hundreds of other
useful things around the house. You can bring up the cost of learning to use
the TIG at a later date after you have melted a big hole in the trailer.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kevin
McNelis
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:08 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] NOT LBC, rivets question

All aluminum horse trailer.  Hinged rear doors, hinges are held onto trailer
door frame with what appear to be quarter inch pop rivets.  Horse went nuts,
pulled out the rivets.  First, is there any such thing as pop rivets that
large?  The biggest I've seen are 3/16.  Second, trailer frame is 4 * 2 inch
box tubing.  Will it weaken the frame too much if I drill through the
original rivet holes, then through the back side, and reattach the hinges
with bolts?  Third, any suggestions on how to talk my spousal unit into
allowing me to buy a TIG welder so I can just weld the silly hinges back on?



Kevin

L. Kevin McNelis, PhD, CPA

New Mexico State University

505-646-2485

From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 10:24:19 2008
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:24:19 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Unusual oil pump failure
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D48F68@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D48F68@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808250924k577d755dh3798f6b016b92e2c@mail.gmail.com>

I had the exact same experience with a new pump I installed this summer.
Fortunately it never made pressure, so I never started the car with it.  Not
sure where my engine builder got the part, but since they are a Moss
reseller I imagine it came form them.

Peter A, if you are reading this can you do some background checking.  I can
send the bad pump to uou if you are interested.


On 8/25/08, Foster, Stan <stan.foster at hp.com> wrote:
>
> I recently lost all oil pressure and after the usual checks decided the oil
> pump was the most likely culprit even though sudden catastrophic failure
> seemed unlikely.
>
> On examining the pump and comparing the innards with a new pump it was
> clear
> that something was terribly wrong as the shaft on the old pump was .25 inch
> shorter than the shaft on the new pump and it no longer engaged with the
> slot
> in the shaft on the dizzy drive gear.
>
> You can see the differences in this photobucket album, old pump shaft on
> the
> left, new pump shaft on the right.
>
> http://www.photobucket.com/TR6oilpump
>
> One of the images shows the new pump with the rotor pinned to the shaft.
> The
> old pump has no such pin and this allowed the shaft to migrate down the
> pump.
> I verified that I can tap the shaft up and down.
>
> The old pump is not the original. It was installed around 1980 when the PO
> did
> a minor engine refresh. I'm wondering if there is a history of pumps
> purchased
> in that era having this problem ?. There is nothing on the old pump casting
> that would indicate who made it, just a few numbers. The body is aluminum.
>
> Stan
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From jimjcmo at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 11:10:31 2008
From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com (Jim Jones)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
Message-ID: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My car is running just fine, but I not one to leave well enough alone. I know
many on the list have improved their engines. My goal is to improve
performance up to 5000 RPM. I'm leaning toward the Goodparts triple carbs (ZS
or HS6), a mild cam, and a compression bump to 9.5:1. The car has a 6-2-1
header feeding into a single 2.25" free flow exhaust. Crane XR700 ingnition,
Lucas Sport Coil, stock dizzy. Would having the head flowed be worthwhile?
 
Has anyone had his/her car dynoed to measure the performance
of and/or optimize their upgrades?
 
I know that improvements can "seem" like they help because the car may sound
different or runs more smoothly, but when it is dynoed the gain can be
neglible. Like Kastner said, "Lap time is judge of all modifications." I'm not
looking to race, but it would be preferable to know what really works. Any
tuning hints on ignition and mixture would be helpful, too.
 
Does anyone know where a copy of Vizard's book can be obtained?
 
Regards,
Jim

From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 25 11:24:48 2008
From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
Message-ID: <683980.55194.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would add replacing the snout fan with an electrical one, light weight
flywheel, and engine balance to that list.
A few people have dynoed  their
sixes, hopefully they'll speak up. 

Kendall



----- Original Message ----
My
goal is to improve
performance up to 5000 RPM. I'm leaning toward the
Goodparts triple carbs (ZS
or HS6), a mild cam, and a compression bump to
9.5:1. The car has a 6-2-1
header feeding into a single 2.25" free flow
exhaust. Crane XR700 ingnition,
Lucas Sport Coil, stock dizzy. Would having
the head flowed be worthwhile?

From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug 25 11:35:16 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:35:16 +0000
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
In-Reply-To: <683980.55194.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <683980.55194.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D48F9C@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

There are a few dyno charts with some engine info on the 6pack web site.
Hopefully this link will work.

http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6302

It would be nice to get more, and more data. I plan to dyno mine later this
fall and will submit it for the records.

9.6:1 head, no porting
SS valves, 3 angle grind, and 1.55:1 roller rockers, tubular pushrods
GP2 cam
Block overbored +.020 and zero decked, recut recesses
Everything balanced.
Electric fan
3xdcoe Webers
Stock manifold and exhaust at the moment
Stock flywheel

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kendall
Larsen
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:25 PM
To: 6pack List
Subject: Re: [6pack] measuring engine improvements

I would add replacing the snout fan with an electrical one, light weight
flywheel, and engine balance to that list.
A few people have dynoed  their
sixes, hopefully they'll speak up.

Kendall



----- Original Message ----
My
goal is to improve
performance up to 5000 RPM. I'm leaning toward the
Goodparts triple carbs (ZS
or HS6), a mild cam, and a compression bump to
9.5:1. The car has a 6-2-1
header feeding into a single 2.25" free flow
exhaust. Crane XR700 ingnition,
Lucas Sport Coil, stock dizzy. Would having
the head flowed be worthwhile?
_______________________________________________

From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 11:41:13 2008
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:41:13 -0700
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
In-Reply-To: <683980.55194.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <683980.55194.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808251041p331d5d9bu7b831cb21434a7d9@mail.gmail.com>

Last engine I dynoed had triple webers, flowed head, same exhaust as you
describe, mid-range cam [272 degrees,  not sure of the valve lift], crane
optical point and crang=ne ignition system.  Had probably 10.5:1
compression.  Made 167 HP at the wheels.

Will be interesting to see what the Petrol Inject, 12.5:1, wildest cam
possible makes.  Engine ran strong to 7000 RPM in 4th [oveerdrive not
working].  Unfortuately something caused oiling problem to number 6 [I did
have three remote oil lines to the Gallery from the oil cooler return line
and also supplied by teh Accusump].  the result was a broken rod [broke
botrh ARP bolts!  This of course happended at 6500 RPM, so there is a nice
impression of the head on the forged piston, and some rounding of the head
chamber wherre the piston hit.  Engine now at builder to assess damage and
determine cause of oiling problem [the lower portion of the rod bearing was
very fused to the rod cap].

Chuck


On 8/25/08, Kendall Larsen <mailkendall at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I would add replacing the snout fan with an electrical one, light weight
> flywheel, and engine balance to that list.
> A few people have dynoed  their
> sixes, hopefully they'll speak up.
>
> Kendall
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> My
> goal is to improve
> performance up to 5000 RPM. I'm leaning toward the
> Goodparts triple carbs (ZS
> or HS6), a mild cam, and a compression bump to
> 9.5:1. The car has a 6-2-1
> header feeding into a single 2.25" free flow
> exhaust. Crane XR700 ingnition,
> Lucas Sport Coil, stock dizzy. Would having
> the head flowed be worthwhile?
> _______________________________________________
>
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From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 11:43:10 2008
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:43:10 -0700
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0808251041p331d5d9bu7b831cb21434a7d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <683980.55194.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0808251041p331d5d9bu7b831cb21434a7d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808251043l9aa19fesec908b1e0c2010c7@mail.gmail.com>

Properly setup dual Strombergs will work fine for your needs, though if you
intend to spend a lot of time at high RPM you should look into an electric
fuel pup and regulator.  I ran out of fuel at high once the head was ported
and the exhaust opened.

On 8/25/08, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Last engine I dynoed had triple webers, flowed head, same exhaust as you
> describe, mid-range cam [272 degrees,  not sure of the valve lift], crane
> optical point and crang=ne ignition system.  Had probably 10.5:1
> compression.  Made 167 HP at the wheels.
>
> Will be interesting to see what the Petrol Inject, 12.5:1, wildest cam
> possible makes.  Engine ran strong to 7000 RPM in 4th [oveerdrive not
> working].  Unfortuately something caused oiling problem to number 6 [I did
> have three remote oil lines to the Gallery from the oil cooler return line
> and also supplied by teh Accusump].  the result was a broken rod [broke
> botrh ARP bolts!  This of course happended at 6500 RPM, so there is a nice
> impression of the head on the forged piston, and some rounding of the head
> chamber wherre the piston hit.  Engine now at builder to assess damage and
> determine cause of oiling problem [the lower portion of the rod bearing was
> very fused to the rod cap].
>
> Chuck
>
>
>  On 8/25/08, Kendall Larsen <mailkendall at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> I would add replacing the snout fan with an electrical one, light weight
>> flywheel, and engine balance to that list.
>> A few people have dynoed  their
>> sixes, hopefully they'll speak up.
>>
>> Kendall
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> My
>> goal is to improve
>> performance up to 5000 RPM. I'm leaning toward the
>> Goodparts triple carbs (ZS
>> or HS6), a mild cam, and a compression bump to
>> 9.5:1. The car has a 6-2-1
>> header feeding into a single 2.25" free flow
>> exhaust. Crane XR700 ingnition,
>> Lucas Sport Coil, stock dizzy. Would having
>> the head flowed be worthwhile?
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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>>
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>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Chuck Arnold
>



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From grant at bowtie6.com  Mon Aug 25 12:21:43 2008
From: grant at bowtie6.com (Joseph Grant)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:21:43 -0400
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
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Out of curiosity I have a question - sure hope you don't mind it.  You
mentioned:

"Last engine I dynoed had triple webers, flowed head, same exhaust as you
describe, mid-range cam [272 degrees, not sure of the valve lift], crane
optical point and Crane ignition system.  Had probably 10.5:1 compression.
Made 167 HP at the wheels"

I would hope that included cam bearings and quite a bit of head work as well
as improved hardware throughout the engine.  So, if you don't mind my asking
but what kind of resources ($$) are involved to get 167hp?  

joe

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Arnold
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 13:41
To: Kendall Larsen
Cc: 6pack List
Subject: Re: [6pack] measuring engine improvements

Last engine I dynoed had triple webers, flowed head, same exhaust as you
describe, mid-range cam [272 degrees,  not sure of the valve lift], crane
optical point and crang=ne ignition system.  Had probably 10.5:1
compression.  Made 167 HP at the wheels.

Will be interesting to see what the Petrol Inject, 12.5:1, wildest cam
possible makes.  Engine ran strong to 7000 RPM in 4th [oveerdrive not
working].  Unfortuately something caused oiling problem to number 6 [I did
have three remote oil lines to the Gallery from the oil cooler return line
and also supplied by teh Accusump].  the result was a broken rod [broke
botrh ARP bolts!  This of course happended at 6500 RPM, so there is a nice
impression of the head on the forged piston, and some rounding of the head
chamber wherre the piston hit.  Engine now at builder to assess damage and
determine cause of oiling problem [the lower portion of the rod bearing was
very fused to the rod cap].

Chuck

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 25 12:56:44 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:56:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Joseph Grant wrote:

> Out of curiosity I have a question - sure hope you don't mind it.  You
> mentioned:
>
> "Last engine I dynoed had triple webers, flowed head, same exhaust as you
> describe, mid-range cam [272 degrees, not sure of the valve lift], crane
> optical point and Crane ignition system.  Had probably 10.5:1 compression.
> Made 167 HP at the wheels"
>
> I would hope that included cam bearings and quite a bit of head work as well
> as improved hardware throughout the engine.  So, if you don't mind my asking
> but what kind of resources ($$) are involved to get 167hp?

It's going to cost a lot more than you imagine.

I have a couple of engines with similar work done on them and the $$$ was 
well in excess of $5k.

If you are honest and you do the math, it all adds up pretty quick 
(balancing, $400 - pistons, $720 - machine block stuff, $600 - head work, 
"the sky is the limit", but $2k get's you close with proper valves and 
that sort of stuff)

I used to tell folks, $2k gets you a warm motor. $5k gets a fin motor and 
$15k gets you closer to a hight HP motor... but you can't drive it on the 
street.

To be honest, I've not seen the numbers Chuck has, but I've been trying to 
deal with getting the motor to run leaner... but I have been running 28mm 
chokes (I used to be limited to 28mm chokes by the rules I run with). Just 
going to 30 or 32 mm chokes on the Webers will free up more HP, but they 
all come in above 3k (where you DO NOT want your power for a street 
motor.)

But at 10:1, I got 144 lb/ft of torque from 2000 to 6500. The curve was 
almost flat (it sloped down a bit after 4500 or so).

> joe

regards,
rml
p.s. now that the cam is timed properly, Stan and I will head to a dyno 
(probably in OCT) to dial in a bit. I know I'm above 150 RWHP now because 
I can pretty much roast my rear tires if I don't roll into the throttle.

=:-0
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From mgc4 at cdc.gov  Mon Aug 25 13:22:41 2008
From: mgc4 at cdc.gov (Campsmith, Michael (CDC/CCID/NCHHSTP))
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:22:41 -0400
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
Message-ID: <751E75E14EA3D54FBD634BDE1E3ECAC60104551F@LTA3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>

I can only speak for my personal experience, so not sure how
representative results may be.

I have similar modifications to what you describe below, except with a
compression ratio closer to stock (head and block were not milled).
About 9 years ago I had the engine rebuilt to .020 overbore, GP2 cam,
Pertronix electronic ignition, sport coil.  Then about 4 years ago I
added HS6 carbs, dual headers and exhaust(Ansa).  Two years ago I had
the car dynoed and the best runs were 101 HP at the rear wheels and 128
ft-lbs torque (SAE for both measurements).  I kick myself for not having
dyno runs before any modifications other than the rebuild--thus I can't
address any net gains from the modifications.

My goal was to have a very street-able car that I could thrash on the
autocross course every now and then.  So far it has lived up to those
expectations.

I still find the styling of the TR6 quite attractive, but the
performance is strictly mid 20th century.  I doubt there is much to do
about that short of spending for a race motor that you can't live with
on the street.

As always, you mileage may vary.

Michael Campsmith
1974 TR6 (now BRG with half an interior)

-----Original Message-----
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Larsen
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [6pack] measuring engine improvements

I would add replacing the snout fan with an electrical one, light weight
flywheel, and engine balance to that list.
A few people have dynoed  their
sixes, hopefully they'll speak up.

Kendall



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My
goal is to improve
performance up to 5000 RPM. I'm leaning toward the Goodparts triple
carbs (ZS or HS6), a mild cam, and a compression bump to 9.5:1. The car
has a 6-2-1 header feeding into a single 2.25" free flow exhaust. Crane
XR700 ingnition, Lucas Sport Coil, stock dizzy. Would having the head
flowed be worthwhile?
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From stan.foster at hp.com  Mon Aug 25 13:32:16 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:32:16 +0000
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
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Here are my costs just for the machine shop work (no parts included) and the
only head work that was done was milling for the CR, valve seats re-cut and
installing new guides. If I had gone the whole way with porting the head that
would have added another $600 to $800 I'm guessing.

Description                     Cost

Spray wash head                $25.00
Bead blast head                $35.00
Wet mag head                    $45.00
Surface head                    $150.00
Install and hone valve guide ID $144.00
Machine valve seats             $108.00
Spray was block                 $85.00
Wet mag block                   $75.00
Surface block .012              $135.00
recut fire ring grooves         $150.00
line bore cam line              $450.00
install cam bearings            $75.00
bore and hone block +.020       $190.00
install pistons on con rods     $66.00
regrind crankshaft .010 under   $150.00
balance 6 cyl assembly          $280.00
inspect lifter bores            $37.50
resurface flywheel              $55.00

                Total $2,255.50


So with the  extra head work, up to $3000 plus your preferred parts (cam,
pistons, bearings, induction, exhaust, timing gear, rocker gear, gaskets,
seals, consumables etc) will give you a good approximation for a hot street
car good to 5500 rpm


I never added up the entire cost for my project (weak heart, cant take the
risk) but it has to be between $8k and $10k for what I'm hoping is a 150HP
engine, 130hp at the wheels. $3k of that was the roller rockers and the Webers
which are arguably an unnecessary expense and could be eliminated or deferred
and a cheaper solution used like the GP triple Stromberg conversion. The spit
bearings were also not required for this level of tune and that cost could be
eliminated assuming your cam bearing surfaces are in good shape.

Bob Lang and I took the motor apart and re-assembled it and the parts were
delivered to the machine shop ready to be processed so no additional labor
costs for grunt work.

You can see why some people look at other options like a short block chevy.

Stan

[sorry, stripped earlier context in the hope that this makes it through the
autox mailer intact]

From janah at att.net  Mon Aug 25 14:46:50 2008
From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:46:50 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Engine Progress
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I separated the head and short block and brought them to the engine shop. I 
finally got a look at things today.

I had everything hot tanked. They have magnafluxed the block, crank and 
rods.  Heads (mine + a spare) have been disassembled, hot tanked and bead 
blasted. They will be magnafluxed soon.

Pistons seem to have some light scoring/wear on the skirts sides. My thought 
is to replace them. Why are forged pistons for the TR6 $150-$200 a piece? 
This seems outrageous. County brand seems like a low priced cast 
alternative, but worry about going with the low bidder here. What are my 
options for cast?

Block is stock bore. They put a light hone on it and are recommending 1st 
oversize (0.020"?). Crank journals are stock.  They will polish it and them 
make a judgement if we need to go futher.

Cam is the 10-50-50-10 cam.  Lobes look okay but the fuel pump eccentric is 
worn.  I am going to replace the cam.

Things are much cleaner.

Next seems to be the rods.  I guess I need new bolts and small end bushes so 
they can start.

John Cyg

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "John Cyganowski" <janah at att.net>
Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Pistons


<snip>
> But before you go the ne wpiston route, make sure that you really need 
> them. I have over 135k miles on my original TR6 pistons! I've done a light 
> hone and replaced the rings TWICE so far. I do need pistons on the next 
> rebuild...
<snip>

From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Mon Aug 25 16:02:10 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:02:10 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Engine Progress
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        John:

        Do you know what cam you will be using? If you want to use stock, use
the later 256 degree cam (This is the 125HP PI cam) at least.


        Vance


    Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:47 PM
To: Robert Lang
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Subject: [6pack] Engine Progress

<snip>

Cam is the 10-50-50-10 cam.  Lobes look okay but the fuel pump eccentric is
worn.  I am going to replace the cam.

Things are much cleaner.

Next seems to be the rods.  I guess I need new bolts and small end bushes so
they can start.

John Cyg

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 25 16:59:21 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:59:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 cams...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808251856110.5945@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

There's some pages in the wayback archive that have interesting TRiumph 
tuning info for 2.0 and 2.5 liter Triumph 6 pots... check out:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030210061620/www.kvaleberg.com/t2000.html

go to tuning and poke around.

He doesn't list GoodPart cams and probably most of the current offerings 
are different, but it does show the variations.

You get the biggest power increases with compression increase, but if you 
add compression increase to cam changes... then you start really making 
power.

Just tossing in a whopping cam does nothing until you get to 9:1 and more. 
It does a LOT when you get to 12:1, but then you can't drive on the 
street.

Such is life.

rml
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From janah at att.net  Mon Aug 25 17:27:52 2008
From: janah at att.net (John Cyganowski)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:27:52 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Engine Progress
References: <E69EBDB709EE4DF987A6087C644BFADF@p4home><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808251048250.4635@isis.mit.edu>
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<snip>
Do you know what cam you will be using? If you want to use stock, use the 
later 256 degree cam (This is the 125HP PI cam) at least.
<snip>

I have the 150 PI cam P/N 307689.  I also have a rebuilt dizzy that has been 
recurved for it.  We will just see how lumpy it is.

john cyg 

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 25 17:58:50 2008
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:58:50 -0400
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
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Jim, I did mine and was putting out 153hp at the wheels and 152ft/lb torque.
Cam, head work, balanced, .020 over, 2 SU HD8's. 10.4 CR. I think I have a PDF
of the dyno run laying around some place if you want it. I can vouch for RML
smoking the tires at over 150HP. Saw him do it at Road America..... IN MY CAR,
darn kids:).

Good luck,
Marty Sukey



> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:10:31 -0700
> From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com
> To: 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
>
> My car is running just fine, but I not one to leave well enough alone. I
know
> many on the list have improved their engines. My goal is to improve
> performance up to 5000 RPM. I'm leaning toward the Goodparts triple carbs
(ZS
> or HS6), a mild cam, and a compression bump to 9.5:1. The car has a 6-2-1
> header feeding into a single 2.25" free flow exhaust. Crane XR700
ingnition,
> Lucas Sport Coil, stock dizzy. Would having the head flowed be worthwhile?
>
> Has anyone had his/her car dynoed to measure the performance
> of and/or optimize their upgrades?
>
> I know that improvements can "seem" like they help because the car may
sound
> different or runs more smoothly, but when it is dynoed the gain can be
> neglible. Like Kastner said, "Lap time is judge of all modifications." I'm
not
> looking to race, but it would be preferable to know what really works. Any
> tuning hints on ignition and mixture would be helpful, too.
>
> Does anyone know where a copy of Vizard's book can be obtained?
>
> Regards,
> Jim
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From johncnorth at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 18:55:03 2008
From: johncnorth at gmail.com (John North)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:55:03 -0400
Subject: [6pack] SU Conversion
Message-ID: <49f668fe0808251755h50d1a96coc3b6a87196092942@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen talk of using the HS6 for pretty much a bolt up carb
conversion...   Will the HIF6 work the same?

John North

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 25 20:09:16 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Off topic humor, but true story
In-Reply-To: <49f668fe0808251755h50d1a96coc3b6a87196092942@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200871.24754.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, it does have to do with parking lots . . .
   
  I have a client who is in the parking lot business.  He does curbs, cleaning, striping, patching, etc.
   
  personnel is always an issue, and he's always running ads.
   
  one day a lady called.  she wanted to interview for the parking lot stripper job.
   
  and he didn't even have her come in . . .

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 25 21:30:12 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:30:12 EDT
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
Message-ID: <bc0.3cb05d26.35e4d2c4@cs.com>

Strombergs

I have had such great fortune running the earlier Z-S 175s on my race car 
(TR4) I have wondered if this might not be a good alternative for TR6 instead of 
HS6 Carbs.

I find them wonderfully simple, easy to maintain, and very effective.

They are plentiful, because a lot of folks favor the SUs.

I dont much about the later TR6 Strombergs, but I dont think I would want 
them.

Joe A

> Properly setup dual Strombergs will work fine for your needs, though if you
> intend to spend a lot of time at high RPM you should look into an electric
> fuel pup and regulator.  I ran out of fuel at high once the head was ported
> and the exhaust opened.
> 

   </HTML>

From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Mon Aug 25 21:33:44 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:33:44 -0400
Subject: [6pack] SU Conversion
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Actually most 1 3/4" venturi SUs will bolt up.  But you have to have the
correct jet needles and choke cables. If you can find a listing for the
correct needles and a source, it will work.
________________________________________
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Subject: [6pack] SU Conversion

I have seen talk of using the HS6 for pretty much a bolt up carb
conversion...   Will the HIF6 work the same?

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Aug 26 07:43:18 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:43:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W7FDA22644448160B3C969BA670@phx.gbl>
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, marty sukey wrote:

> Jim, I did mine and was putting out 153hp at the wheels and 152ft/lb torque.
> Cam, head work, balanced, .020 over, 2 SU HD8's. 10.4 CR. I think I have a PDF
> of the dyno run laying around some place if you want it. I can vouch for RML
> smoking the tires at over 150HP. Saw him do it at Road America..... IN MY CAR,
> darn kids:).

That was a sweet ride... I shed a tear of two when I saw the pix.

I wish I'd had in-car on that spin. The poor guy working the course was 
pretty sure that I was going to hit him. That and the sound of the motor 
with the accelerator "matted" was probably a two or three stripe moment!

> Good luck,
> Marty Sukey

rml
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From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Tue Aug 26 08:26:35 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:26:35 -0700
Subject: [6pack] SU Conversion
In-Reply-To: <49f668fe0808251755h50d1a96coc3b6a87196092942@mail.gmail.com>
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        John:

        The HIF6/HIF44 will work just fine, and is a bit more compact. I tend
to favor them because they are easy to find - Volvo used them on their cars
for a while. They are exceedingly simple - although the overrun valve design
is pretty bad. ZS had a much better design for the overrun function that did
not degrade the performance of the carb as the SU did. That feature is easily
removed however...
        Adapting the linkage might be a challenge however. I installed a
single HIF carb on my mini, and it was cake because the linkages were all
cables. For the TR6 with its bell crank style linkage, it would be more of a
challenge.

        Vance

    Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:55 PM
To: Triumph 6 Pack
Subject: [6pack] SU Conversion

I have seen talk of using the HS6 for pretty much a bolt up carb
conversion...   Will the HIF6 work the same?

John North

From dc_bruin at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 26 12:41:51 2008
From: dc_bruin at hotmail.com (Dwayne Cooper)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:41:51 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable
Message-ID: <BLU145-W29739225AD7CC360E9925AF5660@phx.gbl>

I've had trouble with my speedometer for a while now.  It seems like the end
that goes into the transmission isn't long enough to seat properly so it
doesn't turn reliably.  I tried modifying a cable which worked, but it caused
a new oil leak (I've got enough of those already thank you).  In looking
through the Moss catalog it appears like I may need the two-part cable that's
listed as correct for 74.5 - 76 models.  My car is a 74 -- maybe a 74.5 -- it
had the rubber baby buggy bumpers so I think that makes it a 74.5.  Has anyone
had any experience with mixing up these two cables?  It seems like they may be
interchangeable in terms of fittings but not operation.

Thanks,

Dwayne
'74.5 (I think)
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From stan.foster at hp.com  Tue Aug 26 13:07:18 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:07:18 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <BLU145-W29739225AD7CC360E9925AF5660@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU145-W29739225AD7CC360E9925AF5660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D4923F@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Dwayne, the two part cable is only used on the later cars that had some kind
of gizmo just ahead of the bulkhead that was used as a reminder for something
that you had to do after so many miles. One part of the cable  goes into it
and other part goes from it to the speedo. If you don't have one of those
gizmos you don't need the two part cable. If you have a 74 or a 74.5 you
should not have one.

Repro speedo cables are notorious for not fitting correctly without some
fettling.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne
Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:42 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable

I've had trouble with my speedometer for a while now.  It seems like the end
that goes into the transmission isn't long enough to seat properly so it
doesn't turn reliably.  I tried modifying a cable which worked, but it caused
a new oil leak (I've got enough of those already thank you).  In looking
through the Moss catalog it appears like I may need the two-part cable that's
listed as correct for 74.5 - 76 models.  My car is a 74 -- maybe a 74.5 -- it
had the rubber baby buggy bumpers so I think that makes it a 74.5.  Has
anyone
had any experience with mixing up these two cables?  It seems like they may
be
interchangeable in terms of fittings but not operation.

Thanks,

Dwayne
'74.5 (I think)

From fishplate at charter.net  Tue Aug 26 13:50:34 2008
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:50:34 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <BLU145-W29739225AD7CC360E9925AF5660@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU145-W29739225AD7CC360E9925AF5660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20080826195037.MQSA29012.aarprv06.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net>

At 02:41 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:

>In looking
>through the Moss catalog it appears like I may need the two-part cable that's
>listed as correct for 74.5 - 76 models.

Dwane,

The two-part cable was for the EGR mileage switch on the 
firewall/bulkhead.  You can remove the switch (for off-road use only, 
the lawyers say) and use the one-piece cable in it's place.  Note 
that the cables are different for OD and non-OD cars, and may be 
different for single-rail and three-rail transmissions.


Jeff Scarbrough      75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5
http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/
Athens, Georgia         #354 

From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 26 16:23:18 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:23:18 +0100
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
References: <381983.18699.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <016301c907ca$5775dca0$0201a8c0@Bevan>

Schweppes Indian Tonic Water (still widely available in the UK) had a dollop of quinine added to it 
during manufacture. Schweppes still claim there's quinine in there but as we don't have malarial 
mosquitoes in the UK, the drug's existence in the elixir is academic. Personally, I prefer a Gin 
Sling and the best I've ever had was in Singapore at Raffles - where else?

Jonmac

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael lunsford" <mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com>
To: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants


> In extolling the virtues of the lime as a cure for scurvy Ashford failed to
> also mention the virtue of the quinine in the tonic.  The tonic part of the
> Gin and tonic was reportedly added to the Brit's Gin in Singapore to combat
> the effects of the malarial mosquitoes, or so the old wife's tale I heard
> indicated.
>
> Mike Lunsford, VODKA and tonic for me
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From mkutka at comcast.net  Tue Aug 26 19:28:39 2008
From: mkutka at comcast.net (mkutka at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:28:39 +0000
Subject: [6pack] (no subject)
Message-ID: <082720080128.20490.48B4ADC70004F0DC0000500A22165258560E059B9A0503@comcast.net>

Bob,

Is that the street or track car? Just curious...


Michael K




But at 10:1, I got 144 lb/ft of torque from 2000 to 6500. The curve was 
almost flat (it sloped down a bit after 4500 or so).

> joe

regards,
rml
p.s. now that the cam is timed properly, Stan and I will head to a dyno 
(probably in OCT) to dial in a bit. I know I'm above 150 RWHP now because 
I can pretty much roast my rear tires if I don't roll into the throttle.

From triumph at 2simpleusa.com  Tue Aug 26 20:01:48 2008
From: triumph at 2simpleusa.com (Tony Gordon)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:01:48 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
References: <381983.18699.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<016301c907ca$5775dca0$0201a8c0@Bevan>
Message-ID: <A501A8621C0F40BCB09876F468ACBCBC@D1TG6Y71>

John, breath a sigh of relief ... you can get it in the US as well ... and 
it seems in both countries, they have cut down on the quinine over the 
years.  Alas, you won't find Raffles in the US however ....

**************************************
Tony Gordon
72 TR6
**************************************
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: <mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com>; <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Lubricants


> Schweppes Indian Tonic Water (still widely available in the UK) had a 
> dollop of quinine added to it
> during manufacture. Schweppes still claim there's quinine in there but as 
> we don't have malarial
> mosquitoes in the UK, the drug's existence in the elixir is academic. 
> Personally, I prefer a Gin
> Sling and the best I've ever had was in Singapore at Raffles - where else?
>
> Jonmac
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "michael lunsford" <mblunsfordsr at yahoo.com>
> To: <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:37 PM
> Subject: [6pack] Lubricants
>
>
>> In extolling the virtues of the lime as a cure for scurvy Ashford failed 
>> to
>> also mention the virtue of the quinine in the tonic.  The tonic part of 
>> the
>> Gin and tonic was reportedly added to the Brit's Gin in Singapore to 
>> combat
>> the effects of the malarial mosquitoes, or so the old wife's tale I heard
>> indicated.

From triumph at 2simpleusa.com  Tue Aug 26 20:21:32 2008
From: triumph at 2simpleusa.com (Tony Gordon)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:21:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Seat Question
Message-ID: <5A83E4F505F84088AB89F8115221B983@D1TG6Y71>

A friend has found a couple of Honda S2000 seats and wants to know if I am
interested (while I continue to wait for a good set of Miata seats up here in
the now getting colder parts of Michigan).  Does anyone know if the S2000
seats will fit?  The photos I have found online seem to show that the seats
are quite wide at the 24"-28" height ... the Miata seats seem to taper more
towards the top ...

Advice welcome!

**************************************
Tony Gordon
72 TR6
**************************************

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 26 20:28:26 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:28:26 -0500
Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY123-W7FDA22644448160B3C969BA670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004401c907ec$97575890$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>

well, i hesitated to respond because i'm so outdone . . .

we tested right at 100 hp at the wheels.  don't remember the torque.

gp2 cam, electronic ignitor,upgraded ignition coil, ported, polished, 
shaved, zero-decked, about 10 cr, lightened flywheel, aluminum fan stuff, 
goodparts triple zs, K&N filters, header but stock exhaust, oil scraper. 
not balanced.  and yeah, my tires were smoking, too!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: <jimjcmo at yahoo.com>; <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] measuring engine improvements


> Jim, I did mine and was putting out 153hp at the wheels and 152ft/lb 
> torque.
> Cam, head work, balanced, .020 over, 2 SU HD8's. 10.4 CR. I think I have a 
> PDF
> of the dyno run laying around some place if you want it. I can vouch for 
> RML
> smoking the tires at over 150HP. Saw him do it at Road America..... IN MY 
> CAR,
> darn kids:).
>
> Good luck,
> Marty Sukey
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:10:31 -0700
>> From: jimjcmo at yahoo.com
>> To: 6pack at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [6pack] measuring engine improvements
>>
>> My car is running just fine, but I not one to leave well enough alone. I
> know
>> many on the list have improved their engines. My goal is to improve
>> performance up to 5000 RPM. I'm leaning toward the Goodparts triple carbs
> (ZS
>> or HS6), a mild cam, and a compression bump to 9.5:1. The car has a 6-2-1
>> header feeding into a single 2.25" free flow exhaust. Crane XR700
> ingnition,
>> Lucas Sport Coil, stock dizzy. Would having the head flowed be 
>> worthwhile?
>>
>> Has anyone had his/her car dynoed to measure the performance
>> of and/or optimize their upgrades?
>>
>> I know that improvements can "seem" like they help because the car may
> sound
>> different or runs more smoothly, but when it is dynoed the gain can be
>> neglible. Like Kastner said, "Lap time is judge of all modifications." 
>> I'm
> not
>> looking to race, but it would be preferable to know what really works. 
>> Any
>> tuning hints on ignition and mixture would be helpful, too.
>>
>> Does anyone know where a copy of Vizard's book can be obtained?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jim 

From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 26 23:21:04 2008
From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
Message-ID: <416294.2450.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Anyone else spot the TR6 on the citibank credit card website right now?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/e-r-cmau-may08.gif

Funny how your mind can pick up the patterns when you're not even looking for them. Would have ignored the banner but something ticked in my head that made me look again... HEY that's a TRIUMPH!

Kendall

From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 27 02:09:57 2008
From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] Poll: Anyone own a Ski Rack for TR6...
Message-ID: <730875.13164.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Did someone say TR6 in the snow?
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/tr6snow.jpg

took me a while to track that picture down. It's from early 2003 I think. 

No rack though sorry James!

Kendall



----- Original Message ----
From: James_ TR6 <jattr6 at hotmail.com>
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:10:21 AM
Subject: [6pack] Poll: Anyone own a Ski Rack for TR6...

>>Years ago, pre ebay and actually pre internet (for the masses anyway)...
>>I bought a NOS ski rack for my TR6!!! 

<snip>

>>of course, only if the roads are clear! But, I have been caught in
snow before...
BTW, Pirelli's are amazing in the snow!

James
1976 TR6
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From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 27 02:13:28 2008
From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 cams...
Message-ID: <722622.29284.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>> Just tossing in a whopping cam does nothing until you get to 9:1 and more. 
>> It does a LOT when you get to 12:1, but then you can't drive on the 
>> street.

Hey RML,

What does that really mean. "Can't drive it on the street?"

Won't idle below 1500 rpm?
No low end torque?
Can't drive it until fully warm?
On / off throttle response?
106 octane fuel only?

did I miss anything?

Kendall

From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 27 02:14:40 2008
From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 cams...
Message-ID: <347369.6924.qm@web82602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

(oops forgot to copy the list)

>> Just tossing in a whopping cam does nothing until you get to 9:1 and more. 
>> It does a LOT when you get to 12:1, but then you can't drive on the 
>> street.

Hey RML,

What does that really mean, "can't drive it on the street?"

Won't idle below 1500 rpm?
No low end torque?
Can't drive it until fully warm?
On / off throttle response?
106 octane fuel only?

did I miss anything?

Kendall

From mailkendall at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 27 02:44:03 2008
From: mailkendall at sbcglobal.net (Kendall Larsen)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
Message-ID: <902833.51725.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I finally wandered over to the 6-pack forums. 

http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/

and it looks like there is some good discussion going on there. Wondering if people are cross posting at all between this list and the forums? I never bothered to get onto the 'big' triumphs list either. I guess one can only keep up with so many conversations. But I might start checking out the forums more, are there lots of people here reading the forum daily?

Kendall

From red_tr250 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 06:11:40 2008
From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:11:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
In-Reply-To: <902833.51725.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <246153.67341.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Kendall,

My gut feel (don't have numbers to prove) is that most
posters on the 6-pack forum do not use this list and
the same can be said the other way around.  This list
has been around a long time...a few years more than
the 6-pack forum(s) so you'd think this list would
have more folks on it.  BUT, there are a TON of
registered users on the 6-pack forum.  I'm not sure
how many subscribe to this list, but there are almost
5300 registered users at the 6-pack site.  The number
of hits each day is staggering.  

I encourage folks to visit & check out what's goin'
on.  

Cheers,

Todd Bermudez
6-PACK Editor
cd198l


--- Kendall Larsen <mailkendall at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I finally wandered over to the 6-pack forums. 
> 
> http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/
> 
> and it looks like there is some good discussion
> going on there. Wondering if people are cross
> posting at all between this list and the forums? I
> never bothered to get onto the 'big' triumphs list
> either. I guess one can only keep up with so many
> conversations. But I might start checking out the
> forums more, are there lots of people here reading
> the forum daily?
> 
> Kendall

From alanatkinson at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 06:27:42 2008
From: alanatkinson at hotmail.com (Alan Atkinson)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:27:42 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
In-Reply-To: <246153.67341.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <902833.51725.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<246153.67341.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU113-W176C7F6B6EF511174E1116C6610@phx.gbl>

>From what I've seen (and I monitor this list as well as moderating the
website), there isn't much duplication of posting. Obviously I'm biased, but
I'd love to see everyone migrate to using the website, as it is wholly under
the control of the club.  For interest, currently we get about 15000 hits a
day, 85% of them in the forums and most of the rest in the members areas.
Activity is up about 50% over the last two years. If you are a member of the
6-Pack club and don't use the site, you are missing out. There is a ton of
stuff in the members area, and we're planning to add a lot more to it now that
the site revamp is complete. So just to echo Todd's parting words: I too would
encourage folks to visit and check out the site. You never know, you just
might like it. Club Members - your subscriptions are paying for it, so you
might as well get some use out of it.  See you at the TRials...Alan
Atkinson6-Pack Webmaster.

> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:11:40 -0700> From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com> To:
mailkendall at sbcglobal.net; 6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] OT:
6-pack Forums / Cross posting> > Hi Kendall,> > My gut feel (don't have
numbers to prove) is that most> posters on the 6-pack forum do not use this
list and> the same can be said the other way around. This list> has been
around a long time...a few years more than> the 6-pack forum(s) so you'd think
this list would> have more folks on it. BUT, there are a TON of> registered
users on the 6-pack forum. I'm not sure> how many subscribe to this list, but
there are almost> 5300 registered users at the 6-pack site. The number> of
hits each day is staggering. > > I encourage folks to visit & check out what's
goin'> on. > > Cheers,> > Todd Bermudez> 6-PACK Editor> cd198l> > > ---
Kendall Larsen <mailkendall at sbcglobal.net> wrote:> > > I finally wandered over
to the 6-pack forums. > > > > http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/> > > > and
it looks like there is some good discussion> > going on there. Wondering if
people are cross> > posting at all between this list and the forums? I> >
never bothered to get onto the 'big' triumphs list> > either. I guess one can
only keep up with so many> > conversations. But I might start checking out
the> > forums more, are there lots of people here reading> > the forum daily?>
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From stan.foster at hp.com  Wed Aug 27 06:55:51 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:55:51 +0000
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
In-Reply-To: <BLU113-W176C7F6B6EF511174E1116C6610@phx.gbl>
References: <902833.51725.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<246153.67341.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU113-W176C7F6B6EF511174E1116C6610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D4934A@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Advantages of the 6pack mailing list:

It comes via email so it comes to you, you don't have to go to it.
If you live in email, interaction is pretty much instant
If you travel a lot as I do and rely on mobile devices, the list works as well
on my phone as it does on my laptop
It has been around for a long time so there is a well established community
It is probably harder to find and to subscribe than web based forums
Newbies are well tolerated

Disadvantages of the 6pack mailing list:

Old tech, no text formatting, no pictures, no attachments, message size
limitations, irritating approach for preventing people from just replying to a
message to preserve the original context.



The forum solves most of the disadvantages (not sure about attachments beyond
images, eg can I share a spreadsheet ?). The big disadvantages are that it
would be different, it is web based and not email based although some forums
let you subscribe to a topic so you get notified of new postings that you want
to track more closely. Also you could be a God here in the 6pack list and a
noob in the forum until you have spent some time there and the regulars get to
know you.

In the end it is the communities that are the value, not the technology so the
6pack list will die when people stop participating or it is taken away.
Clearly the Forum is an active and growing community.

Stan

From triumph at 2simpleusa.com  Wed Aug 27 07:52:13 2008
From: triumph at 2simpleusa.com (triumph at 2simpleusa.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:52:13 -0500
Subject: [6pack] =?iso-8859-1?q?OT=3A_6-pack_Forums_/_Cross_posting?=
Message-ID: <20080827135213.13270.qmail@s465.sureserver.com>

Good analysis Stan,

A listserv is certainly old tech ... and it is linear in form, in that messages are sequential and not sorted by topic or focus.  Web forums are parallel in that they are often sorted by area of focus and then by topic.  

There are benefits and drawbacks to both: in the linear world, when you are not even sure you know how to ask the question, you might receive guidance from the collective wisdom of the list.  Similarly, when you have a multifaced problem, a broad approach often helps.

In a parallel world: it is better if you know what to ask before posting a question, but once posted, you might  receive targetted replies from those interested in that topic.  However, there is no guarantee that a question put in the wrong location on the forum or very poorly worded will receive any replies (and to a lesser extent, the wording problem could also affect replies on a list too).

In the linear world, searching by topic is a more complex process (although both the big list and 6pack do have searchable archives, but it is a bit complicated to do so).  The web forum search facility is generally better and much easier to use.

>From my perspective (and as someone who runs an IT department that makes extensive use of, and supports forums, and doesn't have any listservs anymore), I must admit to being lazy when it comes to plowing through the various headings, and lengthy topic listings presented in a big forum site ... the email list serves me up a list of questions or topics that I can choose to reply to or to ignore without me having to do anything else: much more efficient, and since I have the big list and 6 pack pointed to the same email address, it is very easy to handle.  Also, just as Stan observed, many people can access email much more easily than web-based information sources ... and the ease with which you can go "off-list" is much easier in the listserv world (and when I think of the remarkably helpful conversations I have had with listserv members off the list, that alone would keep me using the system!!).

I suppose at the end of the day, it comes down to what you are used to ... and now as an IT old timer, I guess I'm just used to the older, simpler, quicker to handle, easier to jump into email approach, with all of its limitations!

**************
Tony Gordon
72 TR6
**************
(ps ... when I'm really stuck and a question to the list doesn't bring forth an answer ... I do search the listservs AND the VTR and 6Pack forums!)

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 27 07:57:44 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:57:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <082720080128.20490.48B4ADC70004F0DC0000500A22165258560E059B9A0503@comcast.net>
References: <082720080128.20490.48B4ADC70004F0DC0000500A22165258560E059B9A0503@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808270957110.11532@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 mkutka at comcast.net wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Is that the street or track car? Just curious...

that's the race car.

the street car is much nore "tame".

:-)

> Michael K

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 27 08:21:14 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:21:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [6pack] TR6 cams...
In-Reply-To: <722622.29284.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <722622.29284.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0808271009030.11532@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Kendall Larsen wrote:

>>> Just tossing in a whopping cam does nothing until you get to 9:1 and more.
>>> It does a LOT when you get to 12:1, but then you can't drive on the
>>> street.
>
> Hey RML,
>
> What does that really mean. "Can't drive it on the street?"
>
> Won't idle below 1500 rpm?

Depends on the cam. My Piper BP 270 idles nicely at 900 or so.

> No low end torque?

Nope - PLENTY of low-end torque. My race car is set up to pull from 2000 
to 7000. Power is everywhere. But I also run gears (4.33 rear witha quaife 
and the "triumph close-ratio" setup with the 1.73 1st gear). So with the 
gearing, you pretty much have to light 'em up to get a smooth take off.

> Can't drive it until fully warm?

You can, but most racers WON'T. Cold oil means BIG PRESSURE. Also, the 
pistons (forged Venolia) rattle a bit when cold.

> On / off throttle response?

This is no prob. The current motor is pretty smooth from slow to fast.

> 106 octane fuel only?

Yep. I ran pump gas with 94 octane one. hammered a rod bearing. I'll never 
do that again.

I actully run 110 leaded, but that's because it's all I can get from the 
local race fuel vendors. I could get away with unleaded as long as it's 98 
or more octane. Otherwise I have to back off the timing a lot.

> did I miss anything?

nope. The fuel is the biggie. If I ran less ignition advance, I could 
probably run the 10:1 motor on the street, but the power is overkill.

The "thing" about TR6's is that they handle, not that they take off like a 
rocket.

But to make the race car streetable, I'd have to raise it (currently the 
front sway bar mounts are 1-7/8" from the ground then the car is level) 
and it is really easy to bottom the car out. I also only fit 23x9x15 
slicks which pick up everything on the street - punctures are pretty easy 
to get. There's also no lights (extra weight - C YA!) and the roll cage is 
good for roll overs, but BAD for drivers with no helmet. I can't speak for 
all states, but I know that driving a car with a helment is illegal in my 
state!

But the car is pretty impractical for the street. It can accelerate pretty 
quick and it changes directions extremely fast... it's not a go-kart, but 
it's pretty close considering that it weighs 1600 pounds more than one.

> Kendall

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From Pimento73 at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 09:10:04 2008
From: Pimento73 at aol.com (Pimento73 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:10:04 EDT
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
Message-ID: <cd1.367e79f7.35e6c84c@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:28:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
alanatkinson at hotmail.com writes:

So just  to echo Todd's parting words: I too would
encourage folks to visit and  check out the site. You never know, you just
might like it. Club Members -  your subscriptions are paying for it, so you
might as well get some use out  of it.  See you at the TRials...Alan
Atkinson6-Pack  Webmaster.
 
 
 
yeah the forum is great - but it hasn't let me sign in since the web  site 
changed, so I've mostly stopped going there. 
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From vance.navarrette at intel.com  Wed Aug 27 09:35:19 2008
From: vance.navarrette at intel.com (Navarrette, Vance)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:35:19 -0700
Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <BLU145-W29739225AD7CC360E9925AF5660@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU145-W29739225AD7CC360E9925AF5660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4158487B9DEE0647BA23911D1C2279572F5BB829@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

        Dwayne:

        Routing is more likely the problem than the cable length. The 74.5
cars used the standard speedo cable. The other cable listed is for the models
with the EGR counter. If your car does not have an EGR light on the dash, you
need the earlier one piece cable.
        Do you have an overdrive? If you do, you may be missing the little
gizmo called an "angle drive". This fits between the tranny and the cable, and
allows you to route the cable much more efficiently. If yours is missing, it
would explain why your cable seems too short. If this is not the case, you may
need to simply experiment with the cable routing a bit.
        One other possibility. Is the symptom that your speedometer is
"jumpy"? E.G. the needle is not showing a steady reading but instead bounces
while the car is in motion? If so, than it may be that your cable simply needs
to be lubed. If the cable gets dry, it winds up like a spring and then pops
free, causing the needle to bounce. Your "modified" cable may have solved the
problem simply because it was new and had fresh lubricant.

        Vance

    Vance Navarrette
    Cogito Ergo Zoom
    I think, therefore I go fast

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+vance.navarrette=intel.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Dwayne Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:42 AM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Speedo Cable

I've had trouble with my speedometer for a while now.  It seems like the end
that goes into the transmission isn't long enough to seat properly so it
doesn't turn reliably.

<snip>

Thanks,

Dwayne

From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Wed Aug 27 10:43:03 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:43:03 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
In-Reply-To: <416294.2450.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <416294.2450.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F0F5@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>

Cool.  TR-6's have shown up in some strange places.  A couple of the bad-asses
in an old movie drove a black TR-6.  Unfortunately I can remember the scene,
but not the name of the movie.
________________________________________
From: 6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net
[6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Kendall Larsen [mailkendall at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:21 AM
To: 6pack List
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Anyone else spot the TR6 on the citibank credit card website right now?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/e-r-cmau-may08.gif

Funny how your mind can pick up the patterns when you're not even looking for
them. Would have ignored the banner but something ticked in my head that made
me look again... HEY that's a TRIUMPH!

Kendall
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From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Wed Aug 27 11:08:46 2008
From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:08:46 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F0F5@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
References: <416294.2450.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F0F5@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <000f01c90867$94654bd0$210110ac@bobspc>

Here's a TR6 that was used in a 1999 issue of PC Magazine
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/Digital.htm 


Bob Danielson
1975 TR6 CF38503U
Running w/ Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+75tr6=tr6.danielsonfamily.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+75tr6=tr6.danielsonfamily.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ruffner, James A *HS
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Kendall Larsen; 6pack List
Subject: Re: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Cool.  TR-6's have shown up in some strange places.  A couple of the
bad-asses in an old movie drove a black TR-6.  Unfortunately I can remember
the scene, but not the name of the movie.
________________________________________
From: 6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net
[6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Kendall Larsen [mailkendall at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:21 AM
To: 6pack List
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Anyone else spot the TR6 on the citibank credit card website right now?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/e-r-cmau-may08.gif

Funny how your mind can pick up the patterns when you're not even looking
for them. Would have ignored the banner but something ticked in my head that
made me look again... HEY that's a TRIUMPH!

Kendall
6pack at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack

http://www.team.net/archive

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From jsvannorman at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 11:17:28 2008
From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:17:28 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
Message-ID: <d8ff30d40808271017w16d51961x99c3d3a8d5ea7014@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not a big poster on either our email list or the 6-Pack website,
but I used to hit the 6-Pack website to read the forums at least one
or twice a day.  I say "used to" because after they redesigned the
6-Pack website, they took away one of the most useful features they
had - the list of the 10 or so most recent forum postings.  I could
quickly scan the posting subjects and see what caught my eye.  Now you
have to go into each forum topic to see what is new and if there is a
subject that catches your eye and I'm too lazy to do that.  Maybe the
"most recent postings" list still there in another location, but I
wish they would bring that back.

That's why I like the email list digest - when I get an email I can
scan the list of subjects and pick out what interests me.

John V.
1974 1/2 TR6

From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Wed Aug 27 11:23:26 2008
From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:23:26 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
In-Reply-To: <902833.51725.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <902833.51725.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c90869$a06c4c10$210110ac@bobspc>

I've been on the Triumph Mail List for about 12 years now (before I even had
a car!) and the 6 Pack Mail List and 6 Pack Forum for about a year. I don't
know why it took me so long to find 6 pack but it did. I also frequent the
British Car Forum which is probably the forum equivalent of the Triumph Mail
List. I don't see much cross posting between any of the mail lists or forums
though I've done it a few times.

For me, the biggest forum advantage is the posting of pictures to help
explain or resolve a problem. A picture IS worth a thousand words. As others
have pointed out, the forum has everything grouped by topic and you can
subscribe to a topic and get notified when someone has added to the thread.
>From a server standpoint, the forum seems much more stable. Maybe it's just
me but there's times when I'll get little or no List email for a few days
followed by an influx of emails a day or two later. Having said all of
that......the Triumph Mail List has supported me through 10 years of
restoration and I'll always stay subscribed to try and help others as the
List members helped me. But I'm not dropping the Forums either :-)


Bob Danielson
1975 TR6 CF38503U
Running w/ Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed & Nissan LSD
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+75tr6=tr6.danielsonfamily.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+75tr6=tr6.danielsonfamily.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kendall Larsen
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:44 AM
To: 6pack List
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting

I finally wandered over to the 6-pack forums. 

http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/

and it looks like there is some good discussion going on there. Wondering if
people are cross posting at all between this list and the forums? I never
bothered to get onto the 'big' triumphs list either. I guess one can only
keep up with so many conversations. But I might start checking out the
forums more, are there lots of people here reading the forum daily?

Kendall
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From forzion at maine.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 11:25:16 2008
From: forzion at maine.rr.com (forzion at maine.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:25:16 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
Message-ID: <16620519.264591219857916759.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web12-z02>

Jim;

Well check out this website! Cool!

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Triumph_model-TR6.html

Dave


---- "Ruffner wrote: 
> Cool.  TR-6's have shown up in some strange places.  A couple of the bad-asses
> in an old movie drove a black TR-6.  Unfortunately I can remember the scene,
> but not the name of the movie.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net
> [6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Kendall Larsen [mailkendall at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:21 AM
> To: 6pack List
> Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
> 
> Anyone else spot the TR6 on the citibank credit card website right now?
> 
> http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/e-r-cmau-may08.gif
> 
> Funny how your mind can pick up the patterns when you're not even looking for
> them. Would have ignored the banner but something ticked in my head that made
> me look again... HEY that's a TRIUMPH!
> 
> Kendall
> 6pack at autox.team.net
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From kmcnelis at nmsu.edu  Wed Aug 27 11:34:02 2008
From: kmcnelis at nmsu.edu (Kevin McNelis)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:34:02 -0600
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
In-Reply-To: <16620519.264591219857916759.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web12-z02>
Message-ID: <A6C2E2A220B548BF99D5EA694A978663@nmsu.edu>

I also remember an episode of "Law and Order" in which a clue was a parking
ticket given to a (this is Detective Lenny Briscoe speaking) "vintage bright
red 1975 TR6- a kid's car, not one his old man would be driving..."

I always thought it was a funny line, because at 50, with a 21 year old son
who loves to drive my 6, I do consider myself "the old man"!

Kevin





L. Kevin McNelis, PhD, CPA

New Mexico State University
505-646-2485

From trglory at comcast.net  Wed Aug 27 12:46:28 2008
From: trglory at comcast.net (Joe Laurito)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:46:28 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
In-Reply-To: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D4934A@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <E7BBAA7903A6468FA49C154E1817DC6E@newbox>

As Stan says, you don't have to go looking for the message, it comes to you.

I also own a Z car so I was on the Z mail list too. They are a slightly
younger group, on average, than we are and they decided to completely dump
the mail list and go strictly with a forum. I signed up for their forum and
browsed a few times but haven't been back in over a year. When I have a
problem, I go on the forum, ask my question, get my answer and leave. In my
opinion that's just not fellowship, but the forum process is work while the
list process is recreation to me.

I signed up for the 6 pack forum but that ended the same way. If this list
ever goes, I'll probably just fall out of the information loop. I guess it's
something about old dogs and new tricks.

Joe, the old dog

From stan.foster at hp.com  Wed Aug 27 13:08:51 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:08:51 +0000
Subject: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting
In-Reply-To: <E7BBAA7903A6468FA49C154E1817DC6E@newbox>
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D4934A@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
	<E7BBAA7903A6468FA49C154E1817DC6E@newbox>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D49474@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

I belong to several online communities, all but the 6-pack list are web based
forums and they work fine with much richer capabilities than what we have here
for presenting and sharing information at least. I think the difference for me
is that I have no personal commitment or sense of ownership in the 6pack forum
simply because I have made no personal investment in it and formed no bond
with that community.

If someone posts a problem to the 6pack list, I'm probably going to research
it a bit even if I don't know the sender and don't know the answer off the top
of my head and it will bother me if a problem is posed here and we don't see
someone suggesting a solution within a short time, often seconds, usually
hours. I have an established virtual relationship with the people that hang
out here that I don't currently have with the Forum folks.

One other advantage of the email based distribution for me is that I use
Outlook in cached mode so all of my mail is here on my laptop whether I am
connected or not and I have 6pack mail going back years. Outlook has pretty
good search capability now so even if I am on a plane planning my next winter
TR projects I can reach back into the 6pack correspondence and find some
useful data. Cant (yet) do that with a web based forum.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Laurito
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:46 PM
To: '6pack List'
Subject: Re: [6pack] OT: 6-pack Forums / Cross posting

As Stan says, you don't have to go looking for the message, it comes to you.

I also own a Z car so I was on the Z mail list too. They are a slightly
younger group, on average, than we are and they decided to completely dump
the mail list and go strictly with a forum. I signed up for their forum and
browsed a few times but haven't been back in over a year. When I have a
problem, I go on the forum, ask my question, get my answer and leave. In my
opinion that's just not fellowship, but the forum process is work while the
list process is recreation to me.

I signed up for the 6 pack forum but that ended the same way. If this list
ever goes, I'll probably just fall out of the information loop. I guess it's
something about old dogs and new tricks.

Joe, the old dog

From im_sloane at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 13:19:39 2008
From: im_sloane at hotmail.com (im sloane)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:19:39 +0000
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
Message-ID: <BLU118-W47E48D13632FE992352D5F8E610@phx.gbl>

I think I recall an episode of The Bradey Bunch in which Marsha had a date
with a 'cool college dude' that drove a black TR6.

Oh, I stand corrected via Google:

"Brady Bunch", episode that had a nice 71 or 72 Damson TR-6 with wire wheels.
It was driven by the captain of the football team who marcia had a date with
until the infamous 'football' in the nose incident.

Sloane :)69-Six> > I also remember an episode of "Law and Order" in which a
clue was a parking> ticket given to a (this is Detective Lenny Briscoe
speaking) "vintage bright> red 1975 TR6- a kid's car, not one his old man
would be driving..."> > I always thought it was a funny line, because at 50,
with a 21 year old son> who loves to drive my 6, I do consider myself "the old
man"!> > Kevin>
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From bmiles at intinfo.com  Wed Aug 27 13:19:54 2008
From: bmiles at intinfo.com (Bruce Miles)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:19:54 -0400
Subject: [6pack] 6 Pack TRials Family Feud - You input is requested!
Message-ID: <000001c90879$e2f100c0$a8d30240$@com>

Hi everyone - My name is Brice Miles, I am the Newsletter Editor for the
Buckeye Triumphs club in Central Ohio

 

I will be traveling to Townsend and will be helping to play a game during
TRials based on the TV show Family Feud.

 

The difference being that we have Triumph questions

 

If you could take a couple minutes to fill out a questionnaire, save it on
your own computer, then forward it to me - I would be most grateful - and it
should help make TRials more fun too.

 

I have the questionnaires in 2 files, an excel file and a RTF (word
processing) format. Please do not change the first column (I need it to help
tabulate the results)

 

Send your answers to bmiles at intinfo.com 

 

Here are links to the files:

 

http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/newsletter/TRFeud.rtf 

http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/newsletter/TRFeud.xls 

 

Thanks for your input!

 

Bruce Miles
Newsletter Editor - Buckeye Triumphs
 <http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org> www.buckeyetriumphs.org 

bmiles at intinfo.com 

From 70tr6 at mindspring.com  Wed Aug 27 14:19:19 2008
From: 70tr6 at mindspring.com (Ashford Little)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:19:19 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
In-Reply-To: <BLU118-W47E48D13632FE992352D5F8E610@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU118-W47E48D13632FE992352D5F8E610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2410ED90-54EA-498E-8D80-B776721DA06C@mindspring.com>

On Aug 27, 2008, at 3:19 PM, im sloane wrote:
> I think I recall an episode of The Bradey Bunch in which Marsha had  
> a date
> with a 'cool college dude' that drove a black TR6.


Marcia was hot...

Ashford Little
'70 TR6

From apackard68 at comcast.net  Wed Aug 27 19:06:44 2008
From: apackard68 at comcast.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:06:44 -0700
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F0F5@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
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The bad guys in three men and a baby drove a TR6.
Andy

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Subject: Re: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Cool.  TR-6's have shown up in some strange places.  A couple of the
bad-asses
in an old movie drove a black TR-6.  Unfortunately I can remember the scene,
but not the name of the movie.
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Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Anyone else spot the TR6 on the citibank credit card website right now?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/e-r-cmau-may08.gif

Funny how your mind can pick up the patterns when you're not even looking
for
them. Would have ignored the banner but something ticked in my head that
made
me look again... HEY that's a TRIUMPH!

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From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Wed Aug 27 21:58:39 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:58:39 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
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That's it!
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Subject: Re: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

The bad guys in three men and a baby drove a TR6.
Andy

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Subject: Re: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Cool.  TR-6's have shown up in some strange places.  A couple of the
bad-asses
in an old movie drove a black TR-6.  Unfortunately I can remember the scene,
but not the name of the movie.
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Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Anyone else spot the TR6 on the citibank credit card website right now?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/tr6login/e-r-cmau-may08.gif

Funny how your mind can pick up the patterns when you're not even looking
for
them. Would have ignored the banner but something ticked in my head that
made
me look again... HEY that's a TRIUMPH!

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From pbeckman at ameritech.net  Thu Aug 28 06:46:28 2008
From: pbeckman at ameritech.net (Phil Beckman)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:46:28 -0500
Subject: [6pack] Top latch problems
Message-ID: <978FA6437F54450A89FF7246CF7130E6@office.CM.NET>

So, I'm planning to take the TR6 on a road trip this weekend and last night I
took it out on the highway just for a final rundown before I head out tomorrow
morning.  It was chilly so I very uncharacteristically drove with the top up.
In doing so I discovered a new quirk my car has developed.

Every few minutes the passenger side latch for the top will undo itself
forcing me to reach over and latch it down again.  Very annoying at 70 MPH on
the highway.  I don't think this is something that will cause me to leave the
TR6 at home tomorrow given that its not supposed to rain and I'll have a
copilot along who can fuss with the latch if necessary but, if there's an easy
fix for this I'd love to hear it.

My first inclination is to think that the top has somehow become misaligned.
If I recall from when I put it on 13 years ago, the frame can be adjusted with
relation to the windshield frame by loosening the screws where it mounts to
the interior behind the seats.  I could mess with that a bit tonight.

Other thoughts or do I just dub my copilot the official top latch maintenance
person.?

Thanks

Phil Beckman
Libertyville, IL
73 TR6

From stan.foster at hp.com  Thu Aug 28 06:57:22 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:57:22 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Top latch problems
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References: <978FA6437F54450A89FF7246CF7130E6@office.CM.NET>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D495A1@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Phil, these parts do wear out so there is a chance that it has worn to the
point that it will no longer latch securely. It could also be an alignment
issue preventing that side from fully latching especially if it was a cold day
and the hood fabric is stiff.

After making sure the handle is not loose, try closing the side that is coming
loose first to give it the best chance of engaging and then do the other side
and see if that makes any difference.

Stan

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[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Beckman
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:46 AM
To: '6pack List'
Subject: [6pack] Top latch problems

So, I'm planning to take the TR6 on a road trip this weekend and last night I
took it out on the highway just for a final rundown before I head out
tomorrow
morning.  It was chilly so I very uncharacteristically drove with the top up.
In doing so I discovered a new quirk my car has developed.

Every few minutes the passenger side latch for the top will undo itself
forcing me to reach over and latch it down again.  Very annoying at 70 MPH on
the highway.  I don't think this is something that will cause me to leave the
TR6 at home tomorrow given that its not supposed to rain and I'll have a
copilot along who can fuss with the latch if necessary but, if there's an
easy
fix for this I'd love to hear it.

My first inclination is to think that the top has somehow become misaligned.
If I recall from when I put it on 13 years ago, the frame can be adjusted
with
relation to the windshield frame by loosening the screws where it mounts to
the interior behind the seats.  I could mess with that a bit tonight.

Other thoughts or do I just dub my copilot the official top latch maintenance
person.?

Thanks

Phil Beckman
Libertyville, IL
73 TR6
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From TR6UO at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 13:10:09 2008
From: TR6UO at aol.com (TR6UO at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:10:09 EDT
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
Message-ID: <d47.2964e432.35e85211@aol.com>

Anyone recall the movie in which Billy Crystal drove a  TR6?



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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:44:02 2008
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:44:02 -0700
Subject: [6pack] B&B available at the Glen event
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com>

My mother, God rest her soul, died yesterday after a short sickness but many
years of pain.  I will always miss her,but am glad Ruth Arnold the person
has gone to be with her husband in a happier and pain free place.

That being said, it was a bad time to die for me as the funeral is Saturday
the 6th.  I am, therefore,having to cancel my trip to the Glen.  I have a
B&B reserved for 4 nights [Thurs-Sun] right in downtown Watkins Glen
[Blossums B&B].  I have not yet let the proprieter know.  IF anyone is
interested in taking over this reservation, let me know today and when I
cancel I will give them your contact information.

Sure am sad I am going to miss this once in a lifetime event -- it is just a
fitting cap to a Triumph season that saw me build out a car, get it running
real well, then have it break a rod before I could race it.

See you all at the Kastner Cup next year, wherever it may be!

-- 
Chuck Arnold

From stan.foster at hp.com  Thu Aug 28 13:56:20 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:56:20 +0000
Subject: [6pack] FW:  OT: TR6 on citibank site
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D496DA@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

According to

http://www.donredding.com/trmovies.html

It was:

    * "Throw Mama from the Train", Billy Crystal drove a '71 TR6



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Subject: Re: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Anyone recall the movie in which Billy Crystal drove a  TR6?

From stuartt at tlthompson.com  Thu Aug 28 14:26:00 2008
From: stuartt at tlthompson.com (Stuart Thompson)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:26:00 -0500
Subject: [6pack] FW:  OT: TR6 on citibank site
References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D496DA@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <DD163E1124F74B978E509059B6796351@Dell320>

I have a newsreel from 1965 on the Beatles Help DVD that 
shows Paul McCartney driving around the beach in a Spitfire. 




> According to
> 
> http://www.donredding.com/trmovies.html
> 
> It was:
> 
>    * "Throw Mama from the Train", Billy Crystal drove a '71 TR6

From TR6UO at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 15:22:13 2008
From: TR6UO at aol.com (TR6UO at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:22:13 EDT
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
Message-ID: <bd0.3812db07.35e87105@aol.com>

Oh, yeah. BTW, _http://www.donredding.com/trmovies.html_ 
(http://www.donredding.com/trmovies.html)    left out the TR4 in "Mr. Mom" with  Michael Keaton.  
In the scene just  prior to Keaton waiting for his interview exchanging 
recipes with the other  unemployd dads, in a shot of the outside of the builing, a 
(probably new ATT)  TR4 is shown speeding through the intersection.




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From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Thu Aug 28 19:15:01 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:15:01 -0400
Subject: [6pack] FW:  OT: TR6 on citibank site
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References: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D496DA@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>
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I knew that Billy Christal drove a TR-6.  The movie I was thinking of was
Three Men and a Baby.  The Baddies were driving a black TR-6.
________________________________________
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[6pack-bounces+jar7u=hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:56 PM
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Subject: [6pack] FW:  OT: TR6 on citibank site

According to

http://www.donredding.com/trmovies.html

It was:

    * "Throw Mama from the Train", Billy Crystal drove a '71 TR6



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From JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu  Thu Aug 28 19:16:57 2008
From: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu (Ruffner, James A *HS)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:16:57 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
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Also, in the old movie with Robert Redford and Jane Fonda, "Barefoot in the
Park,"  when the two of them are crossing the street from Central Park  in
front of the famous hotel there, there was a TR-4A (you could see the chrome
on the fender) parked there.
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mailkendall at sbcglobal.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Oh, yeah. BTW, http://www.donredding.com/trmovies.html  left out the TR4 in
"Mr. Mom" with  Michael Keaton.  In the scene just prior to Keaton waiting for
his interview exchanging recipes with the other unemployd dads, in a shot of
the outside of the builing, a (probably new ATT) TR4 is shown speeding through
the intersection.



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From acekraut11 at aol.com  Fri Aug 29 00:29:14 2008
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:29:14 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Speedo Problem Update
Message-ID: <8CAD7B7B0C569E5-E18-3EC4@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>

 Hi Everyone:

Tonight was spent working with fellow TR6 owner Rick Patton trying to figure out exactly what is wrong with my speedo since it stopped working after the speedo cable snapped a couple inches from the right angle drive.? We discovered that the plastic piece on the speedo end would bind in the metal sleeve when attached to the speedo.? A little filing allowed the whole unit to function properly at the speedo end.? Off to check out the other end and to cut off a bit of the cable since it was too long.? But before cutting I decided to remove the angle drive in order to make sure everything was still able to spin correctly.? Well, the end that screws into the OD had snapped so the right angle drive is useless.? So, which came first, the speedo end binding and causing the speedo cable and right angle to break or did the right angle drive seize first.? My money is on the little plastic piece seizing and causing the other two problems.? Before I order a replacement right angle drive from TRF I thought I would ask the list if anyone had a decent one laying around picking up dust that they might want to get rid of?

And Vance, I did lube the cable with moly grease to hopefully minimze internal cable friction.

Thanks in advance.

Aaron


 


Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

From triumph.tr4 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 08:19:32 2008
From: triumph.tr4 at gmail.com (Scott Tilton)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:19:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F106@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
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It has been a long time since I saw it.  At least one, maybe two decades.

Anyone ever watch the "rockumentary"  of The Who -  "The Kids are Alright?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(film)

There was a clip in there that featured a TR4.
I want to say all 4 members of the band were piled into or on to it as it
drove around an enclosed space, like a warehouse or something similar.
It may have even been stop action - or rather a series of rapid succession
still photos pieced together like a film (for artistic effect)

It was essentially a primitive music video decades before MTV came about.

I want to say that the song was "Happy Jack" which was kind of goofy and fun
and light hearted sounding, and would match my memory of the video.
If it was  . . . then "The Kids are Alright" is the only place you'd see
it.   Since according to Wikipedia
"A *promotional film* for the song "Happy Jack" was shot on December
19<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_19>,
1966 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966> for a BBC
Television<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Television>series called
*Sound and Picture City* but the show was never aired. "

Anyway - as a teenage TR4 driver and Who fanatic - when I saw a video where
the only things in it were the band members and a Triumph  - I was pretty
happy.

Scott Tilton
-- 
Signature below blatantly stolen from Bud Rolofson:

70TR6 CC5#### (Good 6)
63TR4 CT157## (The Wreck-Almost Parts)
64TR4 CT25### (The Project)
97F-150 L TRUCKO (Triumph Support Vehicle)
1989 Honda Prelude Si 4WS (economic commuter Vehicle)

From jsvannorman at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 12:44:28 2008
From: jsvannorman at gmail.com (John VanNorman)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:44:28 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
Message-ID: <d8ff30d40808291144wb793bc4m57f7f5bec7db8b9@mail.gmail.com>

In the 1998 movie "54" (about Studio 54), Ryan Phillippe's character
dates a girl played by Neve Campbell.  I'm fairly certain Neve
Campbell's character drove an Inca Yellow TR6 with a hardtop.  You see
her get into it after they leave a bar or restaurant.

John V.
1974 1/2 TR6

From Robert.P.Waldrop at USA.dupont.com  Fri Aug 29 14:04:18 2008
From: Robert.P.Waldrop at USA.dupont.com (Robert P Waldrop)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:04:18 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Robert P Waldrop/AE/DuPont is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF922F0E5F.FF73F5A3-ON852574B4.006E41D5-852574B4.006E41D5@CDCLN05.LVS.DUPONT.COM>

I will be out of the office starting  08/28/2008 and will not return until
09/02/2008.

I will have very limited availability during this time.  You may leave me a
voice-mail at 800-284-3382 ext 5324 and I'll respond when I'm able.
Orders or order inquiries may be sent to:
MCMCUSTOMERSERVICE at USA.DUPONT.COM or you can contact customer service at
800-284-3382 extension 5775 option #1.

For immediate sales assistance, contact Brian Veeder at 800-284-3382
Extension 5579.

Regards, Robert Waldrop


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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Fri Aug 29 14:08:57 2008
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:08:57 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Robert P Waldrop/AE/DuPont is out of the office.
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Robert P Waldrop wrote:
> I will be out of the office starting  08/28/2008 and will not return until
> 09/02/2008.....
>
>   
Geez Bob, how am I going to get some teflon for my oil if you're out of 
town.....

From triumph.tr4 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 15:07:17 2008
From: triumph.tr4 at gmail.com (Scott Tilton)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:07:17 -0400
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
In-Reply-To: <a436b5f40808290719r58fb8bc7ibe604143d160430b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bd0.3812db07.35e87105@aol.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890BFF87A9F106@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
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Ahh -   I found it.

Sort of.

The Who's "Happy Jack" had its own video - which was fun in its own right.

However Keith Moon's "Cobwebs and Strange"  is where I saw the TR4.

My memory failed me though as the scene I remembered is only about 2 seconds
long.
I could have sworn it was much longer.


If you want to see the TR4 - zoom ahead to 1:30 in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHtY6F61lM0&feature=related

Or just watch the whole thing if you want some light hearted amusement.

Scott Tilton




On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Scott Tilton <triumph.tr4 at gmail.com>wrote:

>  It has been a long time since I saw it.  At least one, maybe two decades.
>
> Anyone ever watch the "rockumentary"  of The Who -  "The Kids are Alright?"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(film)
>
> There was a clip in there that featured a TR4.
> I want to say all 4 members of the band were piled into or on to it as it
> drove around an enclosed space, like a warehouse or something similar.
> It may have even been stop action - or rather a series of rapid succession
> still photos pieced together like a film (for artistic effect)
>
> It was essentially a primitive music video decades before MTV came about.
>
> I want to say that the song was "Happy Jack" which was kind of goofy and
> fun and light hearted sounding, and would match my memory of the video.
> If it was  . . . then "The Kids are Alright" is the only place you'd see
> it.   Since according to Wikipedia
> "A *promotional film* for the song "Happy Jack" was shot on December 19<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_19>,
> 1966 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966> for a BBC Television<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Television>series called
> *Sound and Picture City* but the show was never aired. "
>
> Anyway - as a teenage TR4 driver and Who fanatic - when I saw a video where
> the only things in it were the band members and a Triumph  - I was pretty
> happy.
>
> Scott Tilton
> --
> Signature below blatantly stolen from Bud Rolofson:
>
> 70TR6 CC5#### (Good 6)
> 63TR4 CT157## (The Wreck-Almost Parts)
> 64TR4 CT25### (The Project)
> 97F-150 L TRUCKO (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> 1989 Honda Prelude Si 4WS (economic commuter Vehicle)

From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Fri Aug 29 20:59:06 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:59:06 -0500
Subject: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site
In-Reply-To: <d47.2964e432.35e85211@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1KZGg8-0000fU-3i@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Was it "Throw Mama from the Train"?

I think I remember a scene where it was on a beach.

Mike 

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[mailto:6pack-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
TR6UO at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:10 PM
To: JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu; apackard68 at comcast.net;
mailkendall at sbcglobal.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] OT: TR6 on citibank site

Anyone recall the movie in which Billy Crystal drove a  TR6?

From alanatkinson at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 30 08:58:17 2008
From: alanatkinson at hotmail.com (Alan Atkinson)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:58:17 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Plea for car pictures - updated
Message-ID: <BLU113-W24786F5CAE870A9CD7C83CC6620@phx.gbl>

A couple of weeks ago I sent out a note asking for images of your original
colored 6 or 250 for the gallery on the 6-Pack site.

I'd like to thank all those who responded.

I'm happy to say we have everything now except a picture of a TR6 in Conifer.
If you have one of these rare beasts, I'd love to have a picture of it to
complete the set. If you have any other images of stock color cars - 1024x768
or bigger - I'll still be delighted to post them, but I ~really~ want a
picture of a Conifer car...

TIA as always
Alan Atkinson
6-Pack webmaster
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From trsix74 at comcast.net  Sat Aug 30 15:37:34 2008
From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:37:34 -0400
Subject: [6pack] I GIve Up (Subject A Type Over Drive)
Message-ID: <000001c90ae8$9dcb5a10$6601a8c0@Robert>

I have been battling with the OD for the last few days. 

Symptoms: Does not go into OD

Items checked so far: Solenoid works well when the engine is not running.
Works with a need to assist by hand when the car is jacked up, engine
running and in top gear.

                                 Oil pressure in transmission at 420 and
operating valve cleaned.

                                 Lever aligned with hole and 3/16th dowel
enters perfectly.

Manually pushing down on the alignment lever, puts it into OD.

Adjusting lever and compensating for wear, puts it into OD but will not
release out of OD.

 

Any thoughts anyone?

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Aug 31 11:11:47 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:11:47 EDT
Subject: [6pack] Triumph People, Parts & Posters at The Glen
Message-ID: <ce6.34dbfe35.35ec2ad3@cs.com>

ALL TRIUMPH FOLKS

Some notes on the forthcoming Vintage Grand Prix at Watkins Glen with the 
featured car being our Triumphs.

You all know, Ted Schumacher and he is almost 20 years into vending at The 
Glen. See Ted at his booth.

While not vending at the Glen, folks like Richard Good, Tony Vigliotti, Matt 
Bakes, TRF, Moss,  and  A.R.E. will be represented. Look for them in the 
Triumph Paddock.

Tony Drews will be bringing some inventory on the Heavy Duty Front Spindles 
and Spacers, that Uncle Jack developed. Uncle Jack's recent TR6 seat bracket 
for Miata Conversions, will be there. 

We will all be wandering around the Triumph Paddock most of the time, and you 
will want to visit......

CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS OLDE ENGLISH PUB....
 
with that Limey, Gary Hunter, as Bartender. AND CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS IS THE 
OFFICIAL SPONSOR  OF THE KASTNER CUP TROPHY RACE ON SUNDAY AT 3:00pm

There are free posters for VTR members and Kas Kastner and other interesting 
folks will be lurking around to sign them. Posters may also be available for 
sale to non-VTR members for a very nominal cost. The President of VTR, Blake 
Discher, will be on hand.

If you know anything about the Western Pennsylvania Triumph Association, 
(VTR) they are the Official Hosts for the Friends of Triumph and can be found in 
their familiar STRIPED TENT. 

Of course, we are HONORING JOE & DOTTIE RICHARDS and the meticulously 
restored TR2 TS1 LO.   TS1 LO will be on display at the Grand Prix Festival in The 
Glen and in the Triumph Paddock.

On Saturday night we will be celebrating the Life of Uncle Jack Drews. The 
Kastner Cup Race will be dedicated to Uncle Jack and will feature "THE MISSING 
MAN FORMATION" on the PACE LAP.  

The Kastner Cup Honorary Pace Car will be the Triumph TR2 TS1 LO,  that has 
been purchased by Robert Parker Smith, and will become part of his private 
collection Hawaii.

The Glen will also be the location that JOHN MACARTNEY is going officially 
kick off the    promotion of the TransAmerica Charity Drive in the US & Canada. 
He will be on hand to discuss and has a powerpoint presentation.   
LOOK AT:  <http://triumphtransamerica.org.uk/> 

There's a lot more, but that's enuff. I got to pack. See you there!

Joe A

   </HTML>

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 31 11:33:32 2008
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:33:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] Glen head count
In-Reply-To: <ce6.34dbfe35.35ec2ad3@cs.com>
References: <ce6.34dbfe35.35ec2ad3@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W12A774B18686FC69D01496BA5D0@phx.gbl>

Hey, how about a head count if list members going to the Glen so we can keep
an eye open hoping to spot one another.

Evelyn and Marty Sukey will be there, who else?

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From trglory at comcast.net  Sun Aug 31 12:16:23 2008
From: trglory at comcast.net (Joe Laurito)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:16:23 -0400
Subject: [6pack] [TR] Glen head count
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W12A774B18686FC69D01496BA5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7E8C105920A04E67897DE2BB2CFF7BFF@newbox>

I'll be there in a green TR8.

Joe

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Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 1:34 PM
To: 6 Digest; Triumph List
Subject: [TR] Glen head count

Hey, how about a head count if list members going to the Glen so we can keep
an eye open hoping to spot one another.

Evelyn and Marty Sukey will be there, who else?

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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sun Aug 31 14:51:37 2008
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:51:37 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Glen head count
Message-ID: <083120082051.3935.48BB045900077BAD00000F5F2200734364970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> 

> Hey, how about a head count if list members going to the Glen so we can keep 
> an eye open hoping to spot one another. 
> 
> Evelyn and Marty Sukey will be there, who else? 

I'll be there, arrviving Wednesday PM.
Irv Korey

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sun Aug 31 16:06:50 2008
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:06:50 -0400
Subject: [6pack] new member
Message-ID: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>

Hello,

I am a new member to this list so let me introduce myself.

Bob Labuz,

Deerfield NY.

I am a member of the regular Triumphs list and have been for quite awhile.

I currently own a 58 3A and a 63 4 + a 74 Bonneville and a 98 Triumph Tbird 
MC.

Yesterday I committed to buy a very rough 72 TR6 that will require a full body 
off frame restoration so I decided I better get on this list as you can see I 
have no experience with either the 6 motor or the rear suspension plus any 
other 6 only stuff.

So I move up to the 70's.

I have always liked the 6's look and sound so maybe in a few years or so I 
will get to experience the car for myself.

Anyway, it will be another Triumph that will be making it back to the road 
where they should be.

Bob

From bamxn at triad.rr.com  Sun Aug 31 16:36:45 2008
From: bamxn at triad.rr.com (Bruce Moxon)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:36:45 -0400
Subject: [6pack] I GIve Up (Subject A Type Over Drive)
Message-ID: <74C3782E845A4811B2C87DC1635C6DF2@bruce5aa5d9409>

Robert,
Had the same problem and (fingers crossed) think I got it fixed today. It was
all trial and error since the lever set at the alignment hole in 4th would not
engage the OD. I had it up on stands in fourth and, with the solenoid clamp
lever loosened, determined how far I needed to push the lever past the hole to
get it to engage. Several times I pushed too far, tightened the clamp, and the
OD would not disingage - not a good thing on an "A" type since you can destroy
the OD in reverse.
Finally after several tries, I was able to determine where it would barely
engage and tightened the clamp. You have to be an octopus with several arms to
make sure that, you are holding the lever in the correct position, the clamp
is pryed into the up position on the solenoid, and tightening the clamp. Like
I said, it was trial and error if you are working alone, and a pain in the ***
but I believe I finally got it. I'm going to run around this weekend and make
sure it is fixed. Would not particularly want to drive to the Trials without
it.
Good Luck,
Bruce
TR250

>I have been battling with the OD for the last few days.
>Symptoms: Does not go into OD
>Items checked so far: Solenoid works well when the >engine is not running.
>Works with a need to assist by hand when the car is >jacked up, engine
>running and in top gear.Oil pressure in transmission at >420 and
>operating valve cleaned.
> Lever aligned with hole and 3/16th dowel enters >perfectly.
>Manually pushing down on the alignment lever, puts it >into OD.
>Adjusting lever and compensating for wear, puts it into >OD but will not
>release out of OD.
>Any thoughts anyone?

From forzion at maine.rr.com  Sun Aug 31 17:54:32 2008
From: forzion at maine.rr.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:54:32 -0400
Subject: [6pack] new member
In-Reply-To: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
References: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <48BB2F38.1070304@maine.rr.com>

Welcome aboard, Bob. Always nice to "see a new face" on the list....  :-)

Dave
Gorham, ME
'74- Six


Bob Labuz wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I am a new member to this list so let me introduce myself.
>
>Bob Labuz,
>
>Deerfield NY.
>
>I am a member of the regular Triumphs list and have been for quite awhile.
>
>I currently own a 58 3A and a 63 4 + a 74 Bonneville and a 98 Triumph Tbird 
>MC.
>
>Yesterday I committed to buy a very rough 72 TR6 that will require a full body 
>off frame restoration so I decided I better get on this list as you can see I 
>have no experience with either the 6 motor or the rear suspension plus any 
>other 6 only stuff.
>
>So I move up to the 70's.
>
>I have always liked the 6's look and sound so maybe in a few years or so I 
>will get to experience the car for myself.
>
>Anyway, it will be another Triumph that will be making it back to the road 
>where they should be.
>
>Bob
>_______________________________________________
>
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>
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>
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From trsix74 at comcast.net  Sun Aug 31 17:13:00 2008
From: trsix74 at comcast.net (Robert Liam Gannon)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:13:00 -0400
Subject: [6pack] new member
In-Reply-To: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
References: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <000301c90bbf$1d7c6340$6601a8c0@Robert>

Welcome. You came to the right group.

From dncullig at us.ibm.com  Sun Aug 31 19:40:49 2008
From: dncullig at us.ibm.com (Dennis N Culligan)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:40:49 -0400
Subject: [6pack]  Glen head count
Message-ID: <OFEB7EAC21.C51FE753-ON852574B7.0008C224-852574B7.00093B1F@us.ibm.com>

Marty wrote:
>Hey, how about a head count if list members going to the Glen so we can
keep
>an eye open hoping to spot one another.
>Evelyn and Marty Sukey will be there, who else?

I'll be there. Will arrive Thursday afternoon, am signed up for the Tour de
Marque on Friday and the "car show" on Saturday.  See ya there.

Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U  Tahiti Blue - TR6IUMPH

From acekraut11 at aol.com  Sun Aug 31 20:31:17 2008
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:31:17 -0400
Subject: [6pack] new member
In-Reply-To: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
References: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <8CAD9F1F253B03E-1540-6880@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com>

 Welcome Bob,

Since I subscribe to both lists I am familiar with your name and look forward to your contributions to the list.? Much like the Triumph list there is a lot of knowledge and help that is shared.

Congrats on the new purchase.? Any pics anywhere?? triumphowners.com or anywhere else?


 


Aaron Cropley
71 TR6 (Throttle Body Injection!)
http://www.triumphowners.com/108
2002 Mini Cooper S
Topsham, Maine

 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 6:06 pm
Subject: [6pack] new member










Hello,

I am a new member to this list so let me introduce myself.

Bob Labuz,

Deerfield NY.

I am a member of the regular Triumphs list and have been for quite awhile.

I currently own a 58 3A and a 63 4 + a 74 Bonneville and a 98 Triumph Tbird 
MC.

Yesterday I committed to buy a very rough 72 TR6 that will require a full body 
off frame restoration so I decided I better get on this list as you can see I 
have no experience with either the 6 motor or the rear suspension plus any 
other 6 only stuff.

So I move up to the 70's.

I have always liked the 6's look and sound so maybe in a few years or so I 
will get to experience the car for myself.

Anyway, it will be another Triumph that will be making it back to the road 
where they should be.

Bob

From stan.foster at hp.com  Sun Aug 31 18:21:07 2008
From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:21:07 +0000
Subject: [6pack] new member
In-Reply-To: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
References: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <41D3B4ED5AF2A2498846C82A9834AF724FB7D49969@GVW0414X.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Welcome Bob and congratulations on your recent acquisition. That is quite a
collection of TRIUMPHS you have there and the TR6 is a great example of the 6
cylinder cars with 72 being one of the better years before things started to
go down the toilet. Both the engine and the rear suspension are very
straightforward, in fact there isn't that much that is complicated on these
cars although there is plenty that will try your patience I'm sure.

Pictures are always fun to see and since this list doesn't support anything
more than unformatted text, an account with one of the free photo publishing
services is a handy way to show progress and help with projects. I prefer
photobucket but there are several alternatives.

Also, as discussed here recently, the 6pack operates a very active web based
forum at http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:6pack-bounces+stan.foster=hp.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Labuz
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:07 PM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] new member

Hello,

I am a new member to this list so let me introduce myself.

Bob Labuz,

Deerfield NY.

I am a member of the regular Triumphs list and have been for quite awhile.

I currently own a 58 3A and a 63 4 + a 74 Bonneville and a 98 Triumph Tbird
MC.

Yesterday I committed to buy a very rough 72 TR6 that will require a full
body
off frame restoration so I decided I better get on this list as you can see I
have no experience with either the 6 motor or the rear suspension plus any
other 6 only stuff.

So I move up to the 70's.

I have always liked the 6's look and sound so maybe in a few years or so I
will get to experience the car for myself.

Anyway, it will be another Triumph that will be making it back to the road
where they should be.

Bob

From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sun Aug 31 22:54:30 2008
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:54:30 EDT
Subject: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 2, Issue 349
Message-ID: <c54.331e8025.35eccf86@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/31/2008 1:03:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
6pack-request at autox.team.net writes:

Date:  Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:37:34 -0400
From: "Robert Liam Gannon"  <trsix74 at comcast.net>
Subject: [6pack] I GIve Up (Subject A Type Over  Drive)
To: <6pack at autox.team.net>
Message-ID:  <000001c90ae8$9dcb5a10$6601a8c0 at Robert>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

I have been battling with the OD for the last few  days. 

Symptoms: Does not go into OD

Items checked so far:  Solenoid works well when the engine is not running.
Works with a need to  assist by hand when the car is jacked up, engine
running and in top  gear.

Oil pressure in  transmission at 420 and
operating valve cleaned.

Lever aligned with hole and 3/16th dowel
enters  perfectly.

Manually pushing down on the alignment lever, puts it into  OD.

Adjusting lever and compensating for wear, puts it into OD but will  not
release out of OD.



Any thoughts  anyone?
Robert,
You may want to take a look at pg. 17 @ The VTR website.  The address  is:
_http://vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/OverDriveA02.pdf_ 
(http://vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/OverDriveA02.pdf) 
It describes how to adjust the operating valve.  We have found that  too 
often the adjustment using the drill does not work.  Try this  method.  It has 
worked for Larry and I.
Sam and Carol Clark
Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa)



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 31 20:51:14 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:51:14 -0500
Subject: [6pack] TRials
References: <200808311806.50370.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <000001c90c29$c04d3e90$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>

hi, all.

i'll be journeying down to Tuscaloosa on Wednesday the 10th to pick up my
son at UA.

we're hoping to head northeast at about 3:00 pm from there up into Townsend.

anyone want to travel together?

thanks.

feel free to contact me off line.