Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent Removal <[email-masked]> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>

From: "Steve Kirby" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:10:55 -0800

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Why?  'Cuz it's part of the heater system!
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Steve C.=20
  To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
  Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent Removal

  The phillips head screws under the lid and above the screen mesh are =
just to hold the screen in place. I do not know how the actual lid comes =
out. It gas been more then 20 years since I restored my ZA, but I =
remember thinking it was not designed to be removed after assembly by =
MG.=20
  --=20
  Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.

  franklin sprafke <[email-masked]> wrote:

    Hi,

    How do I remove he air vent* that resides between the bonnet and the =
windscreen?  I've been unable to find good exploded diagrams in either =
the WSM or SPL. =20

    * the SPL calls the vent cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - Dash =
Ventilator

    I can open the vent up, but it is very rusty and doesn't move well.  =
The vent cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but I suspect =
it is all rotted out underneath the lid.  When I open the vent, I can =
see a number of phillips head screws under the lid and above the screen =
mesh.  I suspect that removing them will allow me to pull the vent lid =
off, but those screws are so rusty they are going to break long before I =
can unscrew them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the group.=20

    I have the heater unit out of the car, but I don't see any easy =
access from underneath.   I can se e that there are 4 screws under the =
dash that look like they hold the flap to the air vent duct in place.  =
However,  it looks like it will still be impossible to extract the flap =
even if those 4 screws do come out - it's a really tight fit under =
there. =20

    So before I go about this the wrong way - what is the right way to =
remove the vent for repair? =20

    Thanks in advance.

    Best Regards,

    Dick

    Dick Sprafke
    Providence, RI
    57 ZB

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<DIV>Why?&nbsp; 'Cuz it's part of the heater system!</DIV>
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PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Steve =
C.</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">List for the Z Magnette Group =
- North=20
  America</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 19, =
2013 3:44=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Air =
Vent=20
  Removal</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>The phillips head screws under the lid and above the =
screen=20
  mesh are just to hold the screen in place. I do not know how the =
actual lid=20
  comes out. It gas been more then 20 years since I restored my ZA, but =
I=20
  remember thinking it was not designed to be removed after assembly by =
MG.=20
  <BR>-- <BR>Sent from my Android phone with <A=20
  href=3D"http://mail.com">mail.com</A> Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.<BR><BR>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>franklin sprafke =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
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    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>
    <DIV>Hi,</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>How do I remove he air vent* that resides between the bonnet =
and the=20
    windscreen? &nbsp;I've been unable to find good exploded diagrams in =
either=20
    the WSM or SPL. &nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>* the SPL calls the vent cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - Dash=20
    Ventilator</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>I can open the vent up, but it is very rusty and doesn't move =
well.=20
    &nbsp;The vent cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but =
I=20
    suspect it is all rotted out underneath the lid. &nbsp;When I open =
the vent,=20
    I can see a number of phillips head screws under the lid and above =
the=20
    screen mesh. &nbsp;I suspect that removing them will allow me to =
pull the=20
    vent lid off, but those screws are so rusty they are going to break =
long=20
    before I can unscrew them so I thought I'd better ask for advice =
from the=20
    group.&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>I have the heater unit out of the car, but I don't see any easy =
access=20
    from underneath. &nbsp; I can se e that there are 4 screws under the =
dash=20
    that look like they hold the flap to the air vent duct in place.=20
    &nbsp;However, &nbsp;it looks like it will still be impossible to =
extract=20
    the flap even if those 4 screws do come out - it's a really tight =
fit under=20
    there. &nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>So before I go about this the wrong way - what is the right way =
to=20
    remove the vent for repair? &nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Thanks in advance.</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Dick</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Dick Sprafke</DIV>
    <DIV>Providence, RI</DIV>
    <DIV>57 ZB</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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From: Mike <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:59:33 -0800 (PST)

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My ZB's heater puts out hot air. Where it comes from and where it goes are =
a mystery to me, since the hot water valve is an MGA/B unit mounted on the =
cylinder head. That means the cables to the flaps and all can't be connecte=
d properly.=0A=0AI was going to try & make it all correct, but now I'm not =
so sure I want to get into that.=0A=0A=0AMike=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________=
______________=0A From: Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>=0ATo: List for the =
Z Magnette Group - North America <[email-masked]> =0ASent: Thursd=
ay, December 19, 2013 12:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent Removal=
=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AWhy?=A0 'Cuz it's part of the heater system!=0A----- Origi=
nal Message ----- =0A>From: Steve C. =0A>To: List for the Z Magnette Group =
- North  America =0A>Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:44  AM=0A>Subject:=
 Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent  Removal=0A>=0A>The phillips head screws under th=
e lid and above the screen  mesh are just to hold the screen in place. I do=
 not know how the actual lid  comes out. It gas been more then 20 years sin=
ce I restored my ZA, but I  remember thinking it was not designed to be rem=
oved after assembly by MG. =0A>-- =0A>Sent from my Android phone with mail.=
com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.=0A>=0A>=0A>franklin sprafke <frsprafke@=
hotmail.com> wrote: =0A>=0A>>=0A>>Hi,=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>How do I remove he air =
vent* that resides between the bonnet and the  windscreen? =A0I've been una=
ble to find good exploded diagrams in either  the WSM or SPL. =A0=0A>>=0A>>=
=0A>>* the SPL calls the vent cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - Dash  Ventilator=
=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I can open the vent up, but it is very rusty and doesn't mov=
e well.  =A0The vent cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but =
I  suspect it is all rotted out underneath the lid. =A0When I open the vent=
,  I can see a number of phillips head screws under the lid and above the  =
screen mesh. =A0I suspect that removing them will allow me to pull the  ven=
t lid off, but those screws are so rusty they are going to break long  befo=
re I can unscrew them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the  grou=
p.=A0=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I have the heater unit out of the car, but I don't see =
any easy access  from underneath. =A0 I can se e that there are 4 screws un=
der the dash  that look like they hold the flap to the air vent duct in pla=
ce.  =A0However, =A0it looks like it will still be impossible to extract  t=
he flap even if those 4 screws do come out - it's a really tight fit under =
 there. =A0=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>So before I go about this the wrong way - what is=
 the right way to  remove the vent for repair? =A0=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Thanks in =
advance.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Best Regards,=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Dick=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Dick =
Sprafke=0A>>Providence, RI=0A>>57 ZB=0A>________________________________=0A=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Co=
urier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">My ZB's h=
eater puts out hot air. Where it comes from and where it goes are a mystery=
 to me, since the hot water valve is an MGA/B unit mounted on the cylinder =
head. That means the cables to the flaps and all can't be connected properl=
y.<br><br>I was going to try &amp; make it all correct, but now I'm not so =
sure I want to get into that.<br><div><br><span></span></div><div style=3D"=
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier=
,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: no=
rmal;"><span>Mike<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-famil=
y: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> =
<div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,=
 Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=
=3D"1">
  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Fro=
m:</span></b> Steve Kirby &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North Ame=
rica &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: b=
old;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:10 PM<br> <b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent Rem=
oval<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv59=
36249425">=0A=0A =0A<style>#yiv5936249425 .yiv5936249425hmmessage P {=0APAD=
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ONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A</style>=0A=0A =0A<div>=0A<div>Why?&nbsp; 'Cuz it's part =
of the heater system!</div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px =
solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;"=
>=0A  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div>=
=0A  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b> =0A  <=
a rel=3D"nofollow" title=3D"[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:laverda@aol.=
com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Steve C.</a> </div>=
=0A  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" title=
=3D"[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">List for the Z Ma=
gnette Group - North =0A  America</a> </div>=0A  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt ar=
ial;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:44 =0A  AM</div>=0A  <div =
style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent =0A  Re=
moval</div>=0A  <div><br></div>The phillips head screws under the lid and a=
bove the screen =0A  mesh are just to hold the screen in place. I do not kn=
ow how the actual lid =0A  comes out. It gas been more then 20 years since =
I restored my ZA, but I =0A  remember thinking it was not designed to be re=
moved after assembly by MG. =0A  <br>-- <br>Sent from my Android phone with=
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a> Mail. Please excuse my brevity.<br><br>=0A  <div class=3D"yiv5936249425g=
mail_quote">franklin sprafke &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:=0A  <bloc=
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   <div><br></div>=0A    <div>I can open the vent up, but it is very rusty =
and doesn't move well. =0A    &nbsp;The vent cover itself looks to be in re=
asonably good shape but I =0A    suspect it is all rotted out underneath th=
e lid. &nbsp;When I open the vent, =0A    I can see a number of phillips he=
ad screws under the lid and above the =0A    screen mesh. &nbsp;I suspect t=
hat removing them will allow me to pull the =0A    vent lid off, but those =
screws are so rusty they are going to break long =0A    before I can unscre=
w them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the =0A    group.&nbsp;<=
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