Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB <[email-masked]> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:15:22 -0800

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From: charles durning <[email-masked]>
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Steve,

Thanks for the inpit.  It looks like there may be a 5 inch (best guess)
difference between the ZB and the MGB shift lever placement.

Charlie Durning

If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Steve C. <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I believe Higear has a replacment lever set up that will move it to the
> standard position.
>
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>  charles durning <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I've been offered a used Hi-gear conversion from a wrecked MGB.  I did
>> some crude measurements and it looks like the shift lever will end up ba=
ck
>> by the parking brake handle.  What did you do to resolve that problem?
>>
>> Charlie Durning
>>
>> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM, David Halliday <[email-masked]>wrot=
e:
>>
>>> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford typ=
e
>>> 9 gearbox.  It is a great conversion.  It fits easily, with very little=
 in
>>> the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.
>>>
>>> I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday.  I really miss that
>>> 5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy <[email-masked]=
>wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with
>>>> a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a co=
uple
>>>> stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side loc=
ated
>>>> tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw cle=
ar
>>>> through and check the level through the side from the inside of the co=
ckpit
>>>> but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where=
 the
>>>> old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget b=
ox,
>>>> 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road g=
ear
>>>> for freeway use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rea=
r as
>>>> I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 =
rpm;
>>>> and 1st syncro is sure nice too. Very nice kit.
>>>>
>>>> Wombat
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
>>>>  *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<[email-masked]=
eam.net>
>>>>  *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>>>
>>>>  Mike and Charles,
>>>>
>>>> Yeah,  I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a
>>>> challenge on Lombard Hill!  I guess my consideration of rear gears pre=
sumed
>>>> the 1800 was already in the picture.
>>>>
>>>> I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can se=
e
>>>> I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all=
 -
>>>> there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.  Also =
note
>>>> that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.  It clears the
>>>> tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was
>>>> Rivergate's choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked t=
he
>>>> extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the
>>>> six-cylinder engine.  They do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-s=
peed
>>>> to "A block" engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe they also adap=
t
>>>> well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on occasion and hav=
e
>>>> dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a Rivergate/210 five-speed, a
>>>> Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front.  The trick is to FiND =
a 210
>>>> 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up also.  B=
TW,
>>>> there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen.  We may have another opt=
ion
>>>> before long.  Hopefully somebody who knows more than I will speak to t=
his.
>>>>
>>>> I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be mor=
e
>>>> trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little
>>>> return for your money and effort.  It would be nice to capitalize on t=
hat
>>>> free one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-mo=
st
>>>> worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3s=
ync
>>>> non-od transmission.  If you advertised to MGB guys that you were curr=
ently
>>>> accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by
>>>> morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some
>>>> sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.  I gave awa=
y
>>>> four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box tha=
t
>>>> I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid will get the house =
and
>>>> everything that's in the bank.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty
>>>> easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in th=
e MGB
>>>> 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a=
 2"
>>>> rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter woul=
d
>>>> require about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder i=
f
>>>> anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box.  After all, a Triumph has=
 to
>>>> be good for something...  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Allen
>>>>   ******************************************************************
>>>>
>>>> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Waywa=
rd
>>>> MGs*
>>>> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
>>>> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
>>>> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>>> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
>>>>
>>>> ******************************************************************
>>>>
>>>>  On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Allen,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the response.  I'm not intending on using a MGB OD
>>>> transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.  My conc=
ern
>>>> was with the location of the shifter.  I'm thinking that with a little
>>>> fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remo=
te
>>>> control.  I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.  I'l=
l
>>>> compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.
>>>>
>>>> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed
>>>> from a wrecked MGB.  It's FREE.  I looked it over and it looks like th=
e
>>>> sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.  It loo=
ks
>>>> like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.  I would u=
se it
>>>> if I can work out relocating the shift lever.
>>>>
>>>> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider
>>>> using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.  I cou=
ld
>>>> keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb
>>>> engine.
>>>>
>>>> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsu=
n
>>>> 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie Durning
>>>>
>>>> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]=
t
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z
>>>>> five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it o=
n two
>>>>> different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bi=
t of
>>>>> fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit in ques=
tion
>>>>> is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available f=
rom
>>>>> either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-buil=
t
>>>>> version for the Magnette.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty
>>>>> darn easy.  The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.=
  Bear
>>>>> in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission =
with a
>>>>> kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much mater=
ial
>>>>> was removed from the back of the shifter opening.  In fact, this is m=
ore
>>>>> than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it.  I c=
hose
>>>>> not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reve=
rse
>>>>> the conversion.  In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by u=
sing a
>>>>> Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I w=
ould
>>>>> have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is t=
hat
>>>>> the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the fro=
nt
>>>>> U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of co=
urse
>>>>> has it's own front yoke and transmission spline.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.   I did
>>>>> rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit =
its
>>>>> new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission choice,
>>>>> first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4=
.3, a
>>>>> 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy two-hour job. Y=
ou
>>>>> might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the
>>>>> higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in w=
hile
>>>>> visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while=
 we
>>>>> never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates)=
, they
>>>>> seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, I started wondering =
why I
>>>>> had gone to all this effort.  But then I get on the I-69 here in Mich=
igan
>>>>> with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, a=
long
>>>>> with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW,
>>>>> Allen
>>>>>   ******************************************************************
>>>>>
>>>>> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Wayw=
ard
>>>>> MGs*
>>>>> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
>>>>> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
>>>>> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>>>> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
>>>>>
>>>>> ******************************************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in
>>>>> my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are=
 so
>>>>> much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almo=
st no
>>>>> modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to =
build
>>>>> a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo=
 gear
>>>>> box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and makin=
g a
>>>>> clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but d=
o not
>>>>> remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my
>>>>> brevity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Kirby <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to
>>>>>> offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many,
>>>>>> mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee su=
perb
>>>>>> header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late =
B
>>>>>> synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things h=
e had
>>>>>> to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is mu=
ch
>>>>>> higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded =
him a
>>>>>> bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #2SteveK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> *From:* [email-masked]
>>>>>> *To:* [email-masked]
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compar=
e
>>>>>> a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is noticeably
>>>>>> different.  I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of=
 work
>>>>>> with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still =
a tight
>>>>>> fit.  I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier,
>>>>>> and probably cheaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>>>>>> [email-masked] writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would
>>>>>> still be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking ab=
out
>>>>>> eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the open=
ing on
>>>>>> the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the =
car and
>>>>>> do some measuring to see if that would be close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a
>>>>>> direct shifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie Durning
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an
>>>>>>> MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
>>>>>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to
>>>>>>> fit, and a new tunnel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed
>>>>>>> for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
>>>>>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians,
>>>>>>> eh? :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>>>>> Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits
>>>>>>>> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the
>>>>>>>> transmission
>>>>>>>> tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
>>>>>>>> synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you
>>>>>>>> might as well go five-speed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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<div>Steve,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks for the inpit.=A0 It looks like there=A0may be a=A05 inch (best=
 guess) difference between the ZB and the MGB shift lever placement.<br cle=
ar=3D"all"></div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Steve C. <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">laverd=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><u></u>I believe Higear has a replacm=
ent lever set up that will move it to the standard position.=20
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>-- <br>Sent from my Android phone with <a href=
=3D"http://mail.com/" target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a> Mail. Please excuse my=
 brevity.<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb">
<div class=3D"h5">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">charles durning &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:durningcha=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
=20
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>David,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I&#39;ve been offered a used Hi-gear conversion from a wrecked MGB.=A0=
 I did some crude measurements and it looks like the shift lever will end u=
p back by the parking brake handle.=A0 What did=A0you do to resolve that pr=
oblem?=A0<br clear=3D"all">
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM, David Halliday <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with=
 the Ford type 9 gearbox.=A0 It is a great conversion.=A0 It fits easily, w=
ith very little in the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.<br>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterd=
ay.=A0 I really miss that 5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!<br clear=3D"a=
ll"></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne &amp; Isabel Ha=
rdy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word" dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;;FONT-SIZE:14pt">
<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have =
experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, require=
s only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of t=
he side located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a h=
ole saw clear through and check the level through the side from the inside =
of the cockpit but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exa=
ctly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as th=
e Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down t=
he road gear for freeway use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9=
 : 1 rear as I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at abo=
ut 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro is sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"4"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39=
;;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:bachldrs=
@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div>
<div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:zmagne=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">List for the Z Magnette Group - North=
 America</a> </div></div>
<div>
<div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div></div><=
/div></div></div>
<div>=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39=
;;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
<div>
<div>Mike and Charles,=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Yeah,=A0 I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a chal=
lenge on Lombard Hill!=A0 I guess my consideration of rear gears presumed t=
he 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can se=
e I&#39;ve moved the handbrake back about 1.5&quot;. This is not difficult =
at all - there&#39;s plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable=
.=A0 Also note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it&#39;s front bracket.=
=A0 It clears the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions,=
 the 280Z was Rivergate&#39;s choice and their kit will not fit the others.=
 They liked the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to hand=
le the six-cylinder engine.=A0 They do have kits designed to fit the 210 fi=
ve-speed to &quot;A block&quot; engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe =
they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on occas=
ion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a Rivergate/210 five-s=
peed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front.=A0 The trick is to =
FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up al=
so.=A0 BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen.=A0 We may have an=
other option before long.=A0 Hopefully somebody who knows more than I will =
speak to this.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be mor=
e trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little re=
turn for your money and effort.=A0 It would be nice to capitalize on that f=
ree one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most wor=
thless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-=
od transmission.=A0 If you advertised to MGB guys that you were currently a=
ccepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by morning.=
 Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as the=
 internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.=A0 I gave away four of them =
about two years ago. I have one &quot;spare&quot; 4-sync od box that I&#39;=
ll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and eve=
rything that&#39;s in the bank. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty =
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it&#39;s shifter up right in the=
 MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a=
 2&quot; rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter =
would require about the same. I&#39;m pretty sure it would be doable. &#39;=
 Wonder if anybody&#39;s tried this with a Triumph TR6 box.=A0 After all, a=
 Triumph has to be good for something...=A0 ;-)=A0 ;-)=A0 ;-) </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Allen,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks for the response.=A0 I&#39;m not intending on using a MGB OD tr=
ansmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.=A0 My concern w=
as with the location of the shifter.=A0 I&#39;m thinking that with a little=
 fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote c=
ontrol.=A0 I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.=A0 I&#39=
;ll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed=
 from a wrecked MGB.=A0 It&#39;s FREE.=A0 I looked it over and it looks lik=
e the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.=A0 It =
looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.=A0 I woul=
d use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that&#39;s why I would consid=
er using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.=A0 I cou=
ld keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb en=
gine.=A0 </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsu=
n 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br clear=3D"all=
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<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
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<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelde=
r <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way to d=
o this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a &quot;Z&quot; in it!) a=
nd a Rivergate kit.=A0 I&#39;ve done it on two different Magnettes.=A0 The =
kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but=
 it isn&#39;t rocket science.=A0 The bit in question is the transmission mo=
unt. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Woo=
dson and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty d=
arn easy.=A0 The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.=A0 B=
ear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission wi=
th a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much materi=
al was removed from the back of the shifter opening.=A0 In fact, this is mo=
re than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it.=A0 I ch=
ose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to revers=
e the conversion.=A0 In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by usi=
ng a Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I wo=
uld have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is tha=
t the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U=
-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course ha=
s it&#39;s own front yoke and transmission spline.=A0 </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.=A0=A0 I d=
id rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its=
 new location. The PO didn&#39;t use a tower at all.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>One more thought.=A0 If you&#39;re undecided about the transmission ch=
oice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4=
.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.=A0 This is an easy two-hour job.=
 You might find that even with the original gearbox, you&#39;re happy with =
the higher-geared rear end. It&#39;s interesting that the two ZAs I rode in=
 while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and whil=
e we never went on the &quot;M roads&quot; with them (equivalent to our int=
erstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed.=A0 For awhile there, I starte=
d wondering why I had gone to all this effort.=A0 But then I get on the I-6=
9 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I&#39;m sure happy to ha=
ve my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT:normal;TEXT-TRANSFORM:=
none;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;TEXT-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:=
separate;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;WHITE-SPACE:normal;LETTER-SPACING:normal;FON=
T-WEIGHT:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K states I in=
stalled a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not even cons=
ider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The come wi=
th everything you need and require almost no modifications to the car. To i=
nstall the late over drive you need to build a rear transmission mount, a t=
ransmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with =
the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also di=
d some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think t=
hat covers it all.<br>
--<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><br>Sent from my Android phone w=
ith<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" hre=
f=3D"http://mail.com/" target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE:10pt">=A0</span>Mail. Please excuse my brevity.<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby &lt;<a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:=20
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">It =
is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offer up =
this answer, but I will anyway!=A0 One of my first, of many, mentors, in th=
e Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up ma=
ny of us have purchased.=A0 Steve did put a full late B synchro in his.=A0 =
I do remember Steve describing the various things he had to do.=A0 Steve is=
 a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine.=A0=
 Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I&#39;ve prodded him a bit, or Charlie=
 can contact him directly.</font></div>

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ont>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">#2S=
teveK</font></div>
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ING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228);FONT:10pt arial"><b>From:</=
b><span>=A0</span><a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span>=A0</span><a title=3D"zmagne=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>=A0</span>Tuesday, Novembe=
r 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>=A0</span>Re: [Zmagnett=
e] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Aria=
l">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider t=
han the 3 sync.=A0 Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.=A0 The transmission =
tunnel is noticeably different.=A0 I&#39;ve put a 4 sync in and early MGB a=
nd it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.=A0 =
Even then, its still a tight fit.=A0 I can&#39;t imagine a Magnette would b=
e any easier.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed wou=
ld be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. C=
entral Standard Time,<span>=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:durningcharles@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span>=A0</span>writes:=
</div>

<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEF=
T:5px"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#000000" face=
=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn&#39;t think that even modifying the re=
mote would work.=A0 It would still be too far back, not to mention the heig=
ht.=A0 I was thinking about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter=
 directly to the opening on the trans where the remote attaches.=A0 I still=
 have to get under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be cl=
ose.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 s=
ynchro trans with a direct shifter.=A0 That would keep me from having to ma=
ke something.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div></div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at=
 1:58 AM,<span>=A0</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a title=3D"mailto:monster@c=
averock.net.nz" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span>=A0</span>wrote:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><a title=3D"http://ww=
w.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href=3D"http://www.be=
ardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>Oxford.html</a=
><br>
<br>On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB e=
ngine and 4-synchro+overdrive &#39;box to a 1960&#39;s Farina Oxford.<br>It=
 includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a =
new tunnel.<br>
<br>I&#39;d agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the non=
-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span>=A0</=
span><br>
Robert=20
<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Charlie,<br>Even without =
overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and your going=
 to have to substantially reshape the transmission<br>
tunnel to make it fit. That&#39;s a ferocious price to pay for a<br>synchro=
nized first gear. If you&#39;re going to that much trouble, you<br>might as=
 well go five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></bloc=
kquote>
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ote></div></div></div>
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