Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo <[email-masked]> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>

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Arch, I haven't been following the thread but I have run across both types =
of tank. My original tank in the ZB has the pickup like you describe, next =
to the filler neck. I pulled a tank out of a parts car, it had the pickup w=
ith the banjo bolt in the center of the tank.

I don't know how you would fix the pickup that is next to the filler neck. =
If I get a bit of time, I'll stick the snake camera down inside that tank a=
nd see if I can get a pic of the interior.

Wray

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From: Arch Boston <[email-masked]>
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Sent: Tue, Dec 3, 2013 9:39 pm
Subject: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo

This is the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up.  However=
, my=20
agnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line.  My=
=20
ank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the large rubber fi=
ller=20
ube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump.  This afternoon I replaced the=
=20
uel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy).  Disconnecting the fuel l=
ine=20
rom tank should have spilled out a bit of gas.  Nothing.  Blowing into gas =
line=20
 could hear air entering gas tank....  Filter not clogged ( if there is one=
). =20
o....  The pickup tube in the tank must be loose/goofed up.  Has anyone=20
eplaced/ repaired this pickup?  Hate to go in completely blind.  Arch

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<div>Arch, I haven't been following the thread but I have run across both t=
ypes of tank. My original tank in the ZB has the pickup like you describe, =
next to the filler neck. I pulled a tank out of a parts car, it had the pic=
kup with the banjo bolt in the center of the tank.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>I don't know how you would fix the pickup that is next to the filler n=
eck. If I get a bit of time, I'll stick the snake camera down inside that t=
ank and see if I can get a pic of the interior.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Wray<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>

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From: Arch Boston &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America &lt;[email-masked].=
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Sent: Tue, Dec 3, 2013 9:39 pm<br>
Subject: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo<br>
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s the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up.  However, my=
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Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line.  M=
y=20
tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the large rubber f=
iller=20
tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump.  This afternoon I replaced th=
e=20
fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy).  Disconnecting the fuel =
line=20
from tank should have spilled out a bit of gas.  Nothing.  Blowing into gas=
 line=20
I could hear air entering gas tank....  Filter not clogged ( if there is on=
e). =20
So....  The pickup tube in the tank must be loose/goofed up.  Has anyone=20
replaced/ repaired this pickup?  Hate to go in completely blind.  Arch

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From: charles durning <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 06:11:23 -0600

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Arch,

It is possible to fix that pickup tube.  The tube should be soldiered or
brazed in place.  A creative radiator shop should be able to remove the
tube and then install a new tube.

 Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop install
a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is exactly when you
want) in the top of the tank.  the position should be like the picture.
>From there you can attach a tube to a fitting.  Be sure to cut the bottom
of the tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at least 1/4 inch
from the bottom of the tank. If the tank has the screen filter be sure
to position the new draw tube so it mates up with the screen.

While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean out any rust or
accumulated guck.

Charlie Durning

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Boston <[email-masked]> wrote:

> This is the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up.
>  However, my Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for
> gas line.  My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the
> large rubber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump.  This
> afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy).
>  Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should have spilled out a bit of
> gas.  Nothing.  Blowing into gas line I could hear air entering gas
> tank....  Filter not clogged ( if there is one).  So....  The pickup tube
> in the tank must be loose/goofed up.  Has anyone replaced/ repaired this
> pickup?  Hate to go in completely blind.  Arch
>
>
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLg6x6Q8Qk0/UdR7VQ9MbYI/AAAAAAAADIs/ecq6w4bKdGk/s640/2013-07-02+Magnette+gas+tank+refurbish+017+
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Arch,</div><div><br></div><div>It is possible to=A0fi=
x that pickup tube.=A0 The tube should be soldiered or brazed in place.=A0 =
A creative radiator shop should be able to remove the tube and then install=
 a new tube.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a =
radiator shop install a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator i=
s exactly when=A0you want)=A0in the top of the tank.=A0=A0the position shou=
ld be like the picture.=A0 From there you can attach a tube to a fitting.=
=A0 Be sure to cut the bottom of the tube at a 45 degree angle and also kee=
p the tube at least 1/4 inch from the bottom of the tank.=A0If the tank has=
 the=A0screen filter be sure to=A0position the new draw tube so=A0it mates =
up with the screen.=A0=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean =
out any rust or accumulated guck.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
 clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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hing.</font></div>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Bos=
ton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
This is the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up. =A0Howev=
er, my Magnette doesn&#39;t have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for g=
as line. =A0My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the=
 large rubber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump. =A0This =
afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy).=
 =A0Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should have spilled out a bit of =
gas. =A0Nothing. =A0Blowing into gas line I could hear air entering gas tan=
k.... =A0Filter not clogged ( if there is one). =A0So.... =A0The pickup tub=
e in the tank must be loose/goofed up. =A0Has anyone replaced/ repaired thi=
s pickup? =A0Hate to go in completely blind. =A0Arch<br>

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From: Arch Boston <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 11:27:53 -0500

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Charlie & Wray, Thanks for reply.  I now know a bit more about what I am in f=
or.  Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it sealed even thou=
gh it is not leaking.  Arch

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On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> Arch,
>=20
> It is possible to fix that pickup tube.  The tube should be soldiered or b=
razed in place.  A creative radiator shop should be able to remove the tube a=
nd then install a new tube.=20
>=20
>  Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop install=
 a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is exactly when you wan=
t) in the top of the tank.  the position should be like the picture.  =46rom=
 there you can attach a tube to a fitting.  Be sure to cut the bottom of the=
 tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at least 1/4 inch from the=
 bottom of the tank. If the tank has the screen filter be sure to position t=
he new draw tube so it mates up with the screen. =20
>=20
> While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean out any rust or acc=
umulated guck.
> This is the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up.  Howeve=
r, my Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas lin=
e.  My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the large ru=
bber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump.  This afternoon I r=
eplaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy).  Disconnectin=
g the fuel line from tank should have spilled out a bit of gas.  Nothing.  B=
lowing into gas line I could hear air entering gas tank....  Filter not clog=
ged ( if there is one).  So....  The pickup tube in the tank must be loose/g=
oofed up.  Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup?  Hate to go in complet=
ely blind.  Arch
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLg6x6Q8Qk0/UdR7VQ9MbYI/AAAAAAAADIs/ecq6w4bKdGk/=
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Charlie &amp; Wray, Thanks for reply. &nbsp;I now know a bit more about what I am in for. &nbsp;Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it sealed even though it is not leaking. &nbsp;Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Arch,</div><div><br></div><div>It is possible to&nbsp;fix that pickup tube.&nbsp; The tube should be soldiered or brazed in place.&nbsp; A creative radiator shop should be able to remove the tube and then install a new tube.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div><div>&nbsp;Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop install a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is exactly when&nbsp;you want)&nbsp;in the top of the tank.&nbsp;&nbsp;the position should be like the picture.&nbsp; From there you can attach a tube to a fitting.&nbsp; Be sure to cut the bottom of the tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at least 1/4 inch from the bottom of the tank.&nbsp;If the tank has the&nbsp;screen filter be sure to&nbsp;position the new draw tube so&nbsp;it mates up with the screen.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div><div>While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean out any rust or accumulated guck.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>&nbsp;</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Boston <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This is the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up. &nbsp;However, my Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line. &nbsp;My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the large rubber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump. &nbsp;This afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy). &nbsp;Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should have spilled out a bit of gas. &nbsp;Nothing. &nbsp;Blowing into gas line I could hear air entering gas tank.... &nbsp;Filter not clogged ( if there is one). &nbsp;So.... &nbsp;The pickup tube in the tank must be loose/goofed up. &nbsp;Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup? &nbsp;Hate to go in completely blind. &nbsp;Arch<br>

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From: charles durning <[email-masked]>
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Arch,

You might want to get some opinions on tank sealers.  Some just make a huge
mess of things.  I know there are some good ones, I just haven't found
those.  You might check with Eastwood.  The key to a good seal is the
inside of the tank must be flawless.  Otherwise the stuff just peals off
and makes a mess.

Charlie Durning

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Arch Boston <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  Charlie & Wray, Thanks for reply.  I now know a bit more about what I am
> in for.  Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it sealed even
> though it is not leaking.  Arch
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>   Arch,
>
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<div>Arch,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>You might want to get some opinions on tank sealers.=A0 Some just make=
 a huge mess of things.=A0 I know there are some good ones, I just haven&#3=
9;t found those.=A0 You might check with Eastwood.=A0 The key to a good sea=
l is the inside of the tank must be flawless.=A0 Otherwise the stuff just p=
eals off and makes a mess.<br clear=3D"all">
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
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an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<div>Charlie &amp; Wray, Thanks for reply. =A0I now know a bit more about w=
hat I am in for. =A0Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it =
sealed even though it is not leaking. =A0Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div=

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<div><br>On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></div>
<div></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Arch,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It is possible to=A0fix that pickup tube.=A0 The tube should be soldie=
red or brazed in place.=A0 A creative radiator shop should be able to remov=
e the tube and then install a new tube.=A0</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>=A0Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop i=
nstall a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is exactly when=
=A0you want)=A0in the top of the tank.=A0=A0the position should be like the=
 picture.=A0 From there you can attach a tube to a fitting.=A0 Be sure to c=
ut the bottom of the tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at le=
ast 1/4 inch from the bottom of the tank.=A0If the tank has the=A0screen fi=
lter be sure to=A0position the new draw tube so=A0it mates up with the scre=
en.=A0=A0</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean out any rust or=
 accumulated guck.</div></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Boston <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">This is the way the parts book says t=
he gas tank should be set up. =A0However, my Magnette doesn&#39;t have the =
banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line. =A0My tank has a rubber hose=
 located approx 1 1/2 inches under the large rubber filler tube for gas lin=
e that goes to the fuel pump. =A0This afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( =
which was a waste of time and energy). =A0Disconnecting the fuel line from =
tank should have spilled out a bit of gas. =A0Nothing. =A0Blowing into gas =
line I could hear air entering gas tank.... =A0Filter not clogged ( if ther=
e is one). =A0So.... =A0The pickup tube in the tank must be loose/goofed up=
. =A0Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup? =A0Hate to go in completely=
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 11:43:14 -0500

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I sent mine to Looper in Pennsylvania, not cheap, but a Damn nice job, I
don't like taking chances with Gasoline.

Mike H.

From: [email-masked]
[mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of charles durning
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:38 AM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo

Arch,

You might want to get some opinions on tank sealers.  Some just make a huge
mess of things.  I know there are some good ones, I just haven't found
those.  You might check with Eastwood.  The key to a good seal is the inside
of the tank must be flawless.  Otherwise the stuff just peals off and makes
a mess.

Charlie Durning

 

Charlie & Wray, Thanks for reply.  I now know a bit more about what I am in
for.  Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it sealed even
though it is not leaking.  Arch

Sent from my iPad

Arch,

It is possible to fix that pickup tube.  The tube should be soldiered or
brazed in place.  A creative radiator shop should be able to remove the tube
and then install a new tube. 

 Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop install a
threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is exactly when you want)
in the top of the tank.  the position should be like the picture.  From
there you can attach a tube to a fitting.  Be sure to cut the bottom of the
tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at least 1/4 inch from the
bottom of the tank. If the tank has the screen filter be sure to position
the new draw tube so it mates up with the screen.  

 

Charlie Durning

 

This is the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up.  However,
my Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line.
My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the large rubber
filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump.  This afternoon I
replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy).
Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should have spilled out a bit of gas.
Nothing.  Blowing into gas line I could hear air entering gas tank....
Filter not clogged ( if there is one).  So....  The pickup tube in the tank
must be loose/goofed up.  Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup?  Hate
to go in completely blind.  Arch

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLg6x6Q8Qk0/UdR7VQ9MbYI/AAAAAAAADIs/ecq6w4bKdGk/s6
40/2013-07-02+Magnette+gas+tank+refurbish+017+

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[email-masked] =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>charles =
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AM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
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photo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Arch,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>You might want to get some opinions on tank =
sealers.&nbsp; Some just make a huge mess of things.&nbsp; I know there =
are some good ones, I just haven't found those.&nbsp; You might check =
with Eastwood.&nbsp; The key to a good seal is the inside of the tank =
must be flawless.&nbsp; Otherwise the stuff just peals off and makes a =
mess.<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Charlie Durning<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>If you are using =
Google or Gmail, Big Brother is =
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class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Arch Boston &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Charlie &amp; Wray, =
Thanks for reply. &nbsp;I now know a bit more about what I am in for. =
&nbsp;Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it sealed even =
though it is not leaking. &nbsp;Arch<br><br>Sent from my =
iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles =
durning &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Arch,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It is possible to&nbsp;fix that pickup tube.&nbsp; The =
tube should be soldiered or brazed in place.&nbsp; A creative radiator =
shop should be able to remove the tube and then install a new =
tube.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;Another option is to abandon that pickup and =
have a radiator shop install a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a =
radiator is exactly when&nbsp;you want)&nbsp;in the top of the =
tank.&nbsp;&nbsp;the position should be like the picture.&nbsp; From =
there you can attach a tube to a fitting.&nbsp; Be sure to cut the =
bottom of the tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at least =
1/4 inch from the bottom of the tank.&nbsp;If the tank has =
the&nbsp;screen filter be sure to&nbsp;position the new draw tube =
so&nbsp;it mates up with the =
screen.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean =
out any rust or accumulated guck.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Charlie Durning<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Boston &lt;<a =
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target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>This is the way the =
parts book says the gas tank should be set up. &nbsp;However, my =
Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line. =
&nbsp;My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the =
large rubber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump. =
&nbsp;This afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of =
time and energy). &nbsp;Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should =
have spilled out a bit of gas. &nbsp;Nothing. &nbsp;Blowing into gas =
line I could hear air entering gas tank.... &nbsp;Filter not clogged ( =
if there is one). &nbsp;So.... &nbsp;The pickup tube in the tank must be =
loose/goofed up. &nbsp;Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup? =
&nbsp;Hate to go in completely blind. &nbsp;Arch<br><br><br><a =
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Mike,

Do you have their contact information?

Charlie Durning

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, sandyandmike <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> don=92t like taking chances with Gasoline.
>
>
>
> Mike H.
>
>
>
> *From:* [email-masked] [mailto:
> [email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *charles durning
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:38 AM
>
> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo
>
>
>
> Arch,
>
>
>
> You might want to get some opinions on tank sealers.  Some just make a
> huge mess of things.  I know there are some good ones, I just haven't fou=
nd
> in for.  Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it sealed ev=
en
>  Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop instal=
l
>  However, my Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank f=
or
> gas line.  My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under th=
e
> afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy=
).
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLg6x6Q8Qk0/UdR7VQ9MbYI/AAAAAAAADIs/ecq6w4bKdGk=
/s640/2013-07-02+Magnette+gas+tank+refurbish+017+
> Sent from my iPad

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<div>Mike,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Do you have their contact information?<br clear=3D"all"></div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, sandyandmike <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sa=
ns-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">I sent mine to Looper in Pennsy=
lvania, not cheap, but a Damn nice job, I don=92t like taking chances with =
Gasoline.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sa=
ns-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sa=
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ns-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Tahoma&#39;,&#39;=
sans-serif&#39;;FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:=
&#39;Tahoma&#39;,&#39;sans-serif&#39;;FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href=3D"mailto:zm=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ch=
arles durning<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:38 AM=20
<div class=3D"im"><br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North Amer=
ica<br></div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo<u></u><u></u></=
span>=20
<p></p>
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Arch,<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might want to get some opinions on tank sealers.=
=A0 Some just make a huge mess of things.=A0 I know there are some good one=
s, I just haven&#39;t found those.=A0 You might check with Eastwood.=A0 The=
 key to a good seal is the inside of the tank must be flawless.=A0 Otherwis=
e the stuff just peals off and makes a mess.<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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a bit more about what I am in for. =A0Since the tank has to come out I migh=
t as well have it sealed even though it is not leaking. =A0Arch<br><br>Sent=
 from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is possible to=A0fix that pickup tube.=A0 The tub=
e should be soldiered or brazed in place.=A0 A creative radiator shop shoul=
d be able to remove the tube and then install a new tube.=A0<u></u><u></u><=
/p></div>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0Another option is to abandon that pickup and have=
 a radiator shop install a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiato=
r is exactly when=A0you want)=A0in the top of the tank.=A0=A0the position s=
hould be like the picture.=A0 From there you can attach a tube to a fitting=
.=A0 Be sure to cut the bottom of the tube at a 45 degree angle and also ke=
ep the tube at least 1/4 inch from the bottom of the tank.=A0If the tank ha=
s the=A0screen filter be sure to=A0position the new draw tube so=A0it mates=
 up with the screen.=A0=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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an out any rust or accumulated guck.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Boston &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class=3D"MsoNormal">This is the way the par=
ts book says the gas tank should be set up. =A0However, my Magnette doesn&#=
39;t have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line. =A0My tank has=
 a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the large rubber filler tu=
be for gas line that goes to the fuel pump. =A0This afternoon I replaced th=
e fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy). =A0Disconnecting the f=
uel line from tank should have spilled out a bit of gas. =A0Nothing. =A0Blo=
wing into gas line I could hear air entering gas tank.... =A0Filter not clo=
gged ( if there is one). =A0So.... =A0The pickup tube in the tank must be l=
oose/goofed up. =A0Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup? =A0Hate to go=
 in completely blind. =A0Arch<br>
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I sealed my tank on my A roadster over 20 years ago with no problems.  I ju=
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.net] On Behalf Of charles durning
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:38 AM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo

Arch,

You might want to get some opinions on tank sealers.  Some just make a huge=
 mess of things.  I know there are some good ones, I just haven't found tho=
se.  You might check with Eastwood.  The key to a good seal is the inside o=
f the tank must be flawless.  Otherwise the stuff just peals off and makes =
a mess.

Charlie Durning

[email-masked]>> wrote:
Charlie & Wray, Thanks for reply.  I now know a bit more about what I am in=
 for.  Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it sealed even t=
hough it is not leaking.  Arch

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning <[email-masked]<mailt=
o:[email-masked]>> wrote:
Arch,

It is possible to fix that pickup tube.  The tube should be soldiered or br=
azed in place.  A creative radiator shop should be able to remove the tube =
and then install a new tube.

 Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop install =
a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is exactly when you wan=
t) in the top of the tank.  the position should be like the picture.  From =
there you can attach a tube to a fitting.  Be sure to cut the bottom of the=
 tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at least 1/4 inch from th=
e bottom of the tank. If the tank has the screen filter be sure to position=
 the new draw tube so it mates up with the screen.

While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean out any rust or accu=
mulated guck.

Charlie Durning

[email-masked]>> wrote:
This is the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up.  However=
, my Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas lin=
e.  My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the large r=
ubber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump.  This afternoon =
I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of time and energy).  Disconne=
cting the fuel line from tank should have spilled out a bit of gas.  Nothin=
g.  Blowing into gas line I could hear air entering gas tank....  Filter no=
t clogged ( if there is one).  So....  The pickup tube in the tank must be =
loose/goofed up.  Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup?  Hate to go in=
 completely blind.  Arch

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<b>On Behalf Of </b>charles durning<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Arch,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might want to get some opinions on tank sealers.=
&nbsp; Some just make a huge mess of things.&nbsp; I know there are some go=
od ones, I just haven't found those.&nbsp; You might check with Eastwood.&n=
bsp; The key to a good seal is the inside of the tank
 must be flawless.&nbsp; Otherwise the stuff just peals off and makes a mes=
s.<br clear=3D"all">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Arch Boston &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Charlie &amp; Wray, Thanks for reply. &nbsp;I now kn=
ow a bit more about what I am in for. &nbsp;Since the tank has to come out =
I might as well have it sealed even though it is not leaking. &nbsp;Arch<br=
<br>
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On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:durningch=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is possible to&nbsp;fix that pickup tube.&nbsp; T=
he tube should be soldiered or brazed in place.&nbsp; A creative radiator s=
hop should be able to remove the tube and then install a new tube.&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;Another option is to abandon that pickup and h=
ave a radiator shop install a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radi=
ator is exactly when&nbsp;you want)&nbsp;in the top of the tank.&nbsp;&nbsp=
;the position should be like the picture.&nbsp; From there you can
 attach a tube to a fitting.&nbsp; Be sure to cut the bottom of the tube at=
 a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at least 1/4 inch from the bottom=
 of the tank.&nbsp;If the tank has the&nbsp;screen filter be sure to&nbsp;p=
osition the new draw tube so&nbsp;it mates up with the screen.&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While that tank is out it will be worth while to cle=
an out any rust or accumulated guck.<o:p></o:p></p>
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>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">This is the way the p=
arts book says the gas tank should be set up. &nbsp;However, my Magnette do=
esn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line. &nbsp;My tank=
 has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches
 under the large rubber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump=
. &nbsp;This afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of time=
 and energy). &nbsp;Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should have spill=
ed out a bit of gas. &nbsp;Nothing. &nbsp;Blowing into
 gas line I could hear air entering gas tank.... &nbsp;Filter not clogged (=
 if there is one). &nbsp;So.... &nbsp;The pickup tube in the tank must be l=
oose/goofed up. &nbsp;Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup? &nbsp;Hate=
 to go in completely blind. &nbsp;Arch<br>
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Arch-
" Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should have spilled out a bit of 
gas."
Not true.
if the end of the pipe is above fuel level, no gas will come out. No 
more would you expect your coffee to jump out of the cup.
  If the end of the pipe is below fuel level, then you must establish a 
siphon for gas to come out.

Hook the pump to the tank and make a line to put the pump output in a 
jar. Turn it on and see if it delivers fuel. And see if there are 
bubbles in it, which would indicate an air leak above fuel level, 
possibly indicating a bad pickup tube.(Usually it is sufficient to put 
the line feeding the carbs in a jar for this)

FRM

On 12/4/2013 2:46 PM, Ed Sass wrote:
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> I sealed my tank on my A roadster over 20 years ago with no problems.  
> I just don't recall what product I used at the time.
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> huge mess of things.  I know there are some good ones, I just haven't 
> found those.  You might check with Eastwood.  The key to a good seal 
> is the inside of the tank must be flawless.  Otherwise the stuff just 
> peals off and makes a mess.
>
> Charlie Durning
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Arch Boston <[email-masked] 
>
> Charlie & Wray, Thanks for reply.  I now know a bit more about what I 
> am in for.  Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it 
> sealed even though it is not leaking.  Arch
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning <[email-masked] 
>
>     Arch,
>
>     It is possible to fix that pickup tube.  The tube should be
>     soldiered or brazed in place.  A creative radiator shop should be
>     able to remove the tube and then install a new tube.
>
>      Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop
>     install a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is
>     exactly when you want) in the top of the tank.  the position
>     should be like the picture.  From there you can attach a tube to a
>     fitting.  Be sure to cut the bottom of the tube at a 45 degree
>     angle and also keep the tube at least 1/4 inch from the bottom of
>     the tank. If the tank has the screen filter be sure to position
>     While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean out any
>     rust or accumulated guck.
>
>
>     Charlie Durning
>
>     On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Boston <[email-masked]
>
>      However, my Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the
>     tank for gas line.  My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2
>     inches under the large rubber filler tube for gas line that goes
>     to the fuel pump.  This afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which
>     was a waste of time and energy).  Disconnecting the fuel line from
>     tank should have spilled out a bit of gas.  Nothing.  Blowing into
>     gas line I could hear air entering gas tank....  Filter not
>     clogged ( if there is one).  So....  The pickup tube in the tank
>     must be loose/goofed up.  Has anyone replaced/ repaired this
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    Arch-<br>
    " Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should have spilled out a
    bit of gas."<br>
    Not true. <br>
    if the end of the pipe is above fuel level, no gas will come out. No
    more would you expect your coffee to jump out of the cup.<br>
    &nbsp;If the end of the pipe is below fuel level, then you must establish
    a siphon for gas to come out.<br>
    <br>
    Hook the pump to the tank and make a line to put the pump output in
    a jar. Turn it on and see if it delivers fuel. And see if there are
    bubbles in it, which would indicate an air leak above fuel level,
    possibly indicating a bad pickup tube.(Usually it is sufficient to
    put the line feeding the carbs in a jar for this)<br>
    <br>
    FRM<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/4/2013 2:46 PM, Ed Sass wrote:<br>
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            <b>On Behalf Of </b>charles durning<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:38 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Arch,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">You might want to get some opinions on
            tank sealers.&nbsp; Some just make a huge mess of things.&nbsp; I know
            there are some good ones, I just haven't found those.&nbsp; You
            might check with Eastwood.&nbsp; The key to a good seal is the
            inside of the tank must be flawless.&nbsp; Otherwise the stuff
            just peals off and makes a mess.<br clear="all">
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Arch
            Boston &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Charlie &amp; Wray, Thanks for reply.
                &nbsp;I now know a bit more about what I am in for. &nbsp;Since
                the tank has to come out I might as well have it sealed
                even though it is not leaking. &nbsp;Arch<br>
                <br>
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                    On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning &lt;<a
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Arch,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">It is possible to&nbsp;fix that
                          pickup tube.&nbsp; The tube should be soldiered or
                          brazed in place.&nbsp; A creative radiator shop
                          should be able to remove the tube and then
                          install a new tube.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;Another option is to
                          abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop
                          install a threaded bushing (a drain fitting
                          from a radiator is exactly when&nbsp;you want)&nbsp;in
                          the top of the tank.&nbsp;&nbsp;the position should be
                          like the picture.&nbsp; From there you can attach a
                          tube to a fitting.&nbsp; Be sure to cut the bottom
                          of the tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep
                          the tube at least 1/4 inch from the bottom of
                          the tank.&nbsp;If the tank has the&nbsp;screen filter be
                          sure to&nbsp;position the new draw tube so&nbsp;it mates
                          up with the screen.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">While that tank is out it
                          will be worth while to clean out any rust or
                          accumulated guck.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39
                          PM, Arch Boston &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This is the way
                          the parts book says the gas tank should be set
                          up. &nbsp;However, my Magnette doesn't have the
                          banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line.
                          &nbsp;My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1
                          1/2 inches under the large rubber filler tube
                          for gas line that goes to the fuel pump. &nbsp;This
                          afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was
                          a waste of time and energy). &nbsp;Disconnecting
                          the fuel line from tank should have spilled
                          out a bit of gas. &nbsp;Nothing. &nbsp;Blowing into gas
                          line I could hear air entering gas tank....
                          &nbsp;Filter not clogged ( if there is one).
                          &nbsp;So.... &nbsp;The pickup tube in the tank must be
                          loose/goofed up. &nbsp;Has anyone replaced/
                          repaired this pickup? &nbsp;Hate to go in
                          completely blind. &nbsp;Arch<br>
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I used the same stuff!

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  Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank photo

  I sealed my tank on my A roadster over 20 years ago with no problems.  =
I just don't recall what product I used at the time.

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  Arch,

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  You might want to get some opinions on tank sealers.  Some just make a =
huge mess of things.  I know there are some good ones, I just haven't =
found those.  You might check with Eastwood.  The key to a good seal is =
the inside of the tank must be flawless.  Otherwise the stuff just peals =
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  Charlie & Wray, Thanks for reply.  I now know a bit more about what I =
am in for.  Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it =
sealed even though it is not leaking.  Arch

  Sent from my iPad

  On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

    Arch,

    =20

    It is possible to fix that pickup tube.  The tube should be =
soldiered or brazed in place.  A creative radiator shop should be able =
to remove the tube and then install a new tube.=20

    =20

     Another option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop =
install a threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is exactly =
when you want) in the top of the tank.  the position should be like the =
picture.  From there you can attach a tube to a fitting.  Be sure to cut =
the bottom of the tube at a 45 degree angle and also keep the tube at =
least 1/4 inch from the bottom of the tank. If the tank has the screen =
filter be sure to position the new draw tube so it mates up with the =
screen. =20

    =20

    While that tank is out it will be worth while to clean out any rust =
or accumulated guck.

    =20

    Charlie Durning

    =20

    =20

    =20

    On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Boston <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

    This is the way the parts book says the gas tank should be set up.  =
However, my Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank =
for gas line.  My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches =
under the large rubber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel =
pump.  This afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of =
time and energy).  Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should have =
spilled out a bit of gas.  Nothing.  Blowing into gas line I could hear =
air entering gas tank....  Filter not clogged ( if there is one).  =
So....  The pickup tube in the tank must be loose/goofed up.  Has anyone =
replaced/ repaired this pickup?  Hate to go in completely blind.  Arch

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&nbsp;Nothing.=20
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Charlie, 

Here goes, Looper Service center, www.loopersc.com Glenn Looper President.

The reason I sent the tank there is I had a clunking in the tank and I
scoped it and could not find anything, I finally decided to send it there,
he had to open up the tank and found that the outlet had a brace on it that
had broken loose, he repaired that and closed it up and sealed it inside and
out, you can't see where he opened the tank up. Like I said 'Not Cheap, but
it's Gasoline" all I could see is the tank full cruising down the road and
something going terribly wrong and having a car full of gas.

Mike H.

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 12:01 PM

Mike,

 

Charlie Durning

 

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, sandyandmike <[email-masked]> wrote:

Mike H.

Arch,

 

Charlie Durning

 

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Arch,

 

Charlie Durning

 

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on it that had broken loose, he repaired that and closed it up and =
sealed it inside and out, you can&#8217;t see where he opened the tank =
up. Like I said &#8216;Not Cheap, but it&#8217;s Gasoline&#8221; all I =
could see is the tank full cruising down the road and something going =
terribly wrong and having a car full of gas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mike H.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
[email-masked] =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>charles =
durning<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2013 12:01 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Gas tank =
photo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Mike,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Do you have their contact information?<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Charlie Durning<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>If you are using =
Google or Gmail, Big Brother is =
watching.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, sandyandmike &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I sent mine to Looper in Pennsylvania, not cheap, but a Damn nice =
job, I don&#8217;t like taking chances with =
Gasoline.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mike H.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>charles durning<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:38 =
AM <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><b>To:</=
b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</sp=
an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: =
[Zmagnette] Gas tank photo</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Arch,<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You might =
want to get some opinions on tank sealers.&nbsp; Some just make a huge =
mess of things.&nbsp; I know there are some good ones, I just haven't =
found those.&nbsp; You might check with Eastwood.&nbsp; The key to a =
good seal is the inside of the tank must be flawless.&nbsp; Otherwise =
the stuff just peals off and makes a mess.<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Charlie =
Durning<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother =
is watching.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Dec =
4, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Arch Boston &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Charlie =
&amp; Wray, Thanks for reply. &nbsp;I now know a bit more about what I =
am in for. &nbsp;Since the tank has to come out I might as well have it =
sealed even though it is not leaking. &nbsp;Arch<br><br>Sent from my =
iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 4, =
2013, at 7:11 AM, charles durning &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Arch,<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It is =
possible to&nbsp;fix that pickup tube.&nbsp; The tube should be =
soldiered or brazed in place.&nbsp; A creative radiator shop should be =
able to remove the tube and then install a new =
tube.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;Anothe=
r option is to abandon that pickup and have a radiator shop install a =
threaded bushing (a drain fitting from a radiator is exactly =
when&nbsp;you want)&nbsp;in the top of the tank.&nbsp;&nbsp;the position =
should be like the picture.&nbsp; From there you can attach a tube to a =
fitting.&nbsp; Be sure to cut the bottom of the tube at a 45 degree =
angle and also keep the tube at least 1/4 inch from the bottom of the =
tank.&nbsp;If the tank has the&nbsp;screen filter be sure =
to&nbsp;position the new draw tube so&nbsp;it mates up with the =
screen.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>While that =
tank is out it will be worth while to clean out any rust or accumulated =
guck.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Charlie =
Durning<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother =
is watching.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Dec =
3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Arch Boston &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>This is the way =
the parts book says the gas tank should be set up. &nbsp;However, my =
Magnette doesn't have the banjo nut on the top of the tank for gas line. =
&nbsp;My tank has a rubber hose located approx 1 1/2 inches under the =
large rubber filler tube for gas line that goes to the fuel pump. =
&nbsp;This afternoon I replaced the fuel pump ( which was a waste of =
time and energy). &nbsp;Disconnecting the fuel line from tank should =
have spilled out a bit of gas. &nbsp;Nothing. &nbsp;Blowing into gas =
line I could hear air entering gas tank.... &nbsp;Filter not clogged ( =
if there is one). &nbsp;So.... &nbsp;The pickup tube in the tank must be =
loose/goofed up. &nbsp;Has anyone replaced/ repaired this pickup? =
&nbsp;Hate to go in completely blind. &nbsp;Arch<br><br><br><a =
href=3D"http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLg6x6Q8Qk0/UdR7VQ9MbYI/AAAAAAAADIs/ecq=
6w4bKdGk/s640/2013-07-02+Magnette+gas+tank+refurbish+017+" =
target=3D"_blank">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLg6x6Q8Qk0/UdR7VQ9MbYI/AAAAA=
AAADIs/ecq6w4bKdGk/s640/2013-07-02+Magnette+gas+tank+refurbish+017+</a><b=
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From: charles durning <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:18:06 -0600

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Mike,

Thanks,  Hopefully that information will be helpful to Arch and perhaps
others.
I looked into using their services years ago for an old Mercedes I once
had.  I heard that do good work.  However, I found a NOS gas tank for the
old Mercedes and went that way.

Thanks for jogging my memory I had forgotten about them.

Charlie Durning

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:30 AM, sandyandmike <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  Charlie,
>
> Here goes, Looper Service center, www.loopersc.com Glenn Looper President=
.
> scoped it and could not find anything, I finally decided to send it there=
,
> he had to open up the tank and found that the outlet had a brace on it th=
at
> had broken loose, he repaired that and closed it up and sealed it inside
> and out, you can=92t see where he opened the tank up. Like I said =91Not =
Cheap,
> but it=92s Gasoline=94 all I could see is the tank full cruising down the=
 road
> and something going terribly wrong and having a car full of gas.
>
>
>
> Mike H.
>
>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 12:01 PM
nd
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> Sent from my iPad

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<div>Mike,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks,=A0 Hopefully that information will be helpful to Arch and perh=
aps others.<br clear=3D"all"></div>
<div>I looked into using their services years ago for an old Mercedes I onc=
e had.=A0 I heard that do good work.=A0 However, I found a NOS gas tank for=
 the old Mercedes=A0and went that way.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks for jogging my memory I had forgotten about them.</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:30 AM, sandyandmike <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sa=
ns-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Charlie, <u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sa=
ns-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Here goes, Looper Service cente=
r, <a href=3D"http://www.loopersc.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.loopersc.com<=
/a> Glenn Looper President.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sa=
ns-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sa=
ns-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">The reason I sent the tank ther=
e is I had a clunking in the tank and I scoped it and could not find anythi=
ng, I finally decided to send it there, he had to open up the tank and foun=
d that the outlet had a brace on it that had broken loose, he repaired that=
 and closed it up and sealed it inside and out, you can=92t see where he op=
ened the tank up. Like I said =91Not Cheap, but it=92s Gasoline=94 all I co=
uld see is the tank full cruising down the road and something going terribl=
y wrong and having a car full of gas.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sa=
ns-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Tahoma&#39;,&#39;=
sans-serif&#39;;FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:=
&#39;Tahoma&#39;,&#39;sans-serif&#39;;FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href=3D"mailto:zm=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ch=
arles durning<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2013 12:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> List for t=
he Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Gas =
tank photo<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike,<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you have their contact information?<br clear=3D"a=
ll"><u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Charlie Durning<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:13.5pt">If you are using Go=
ogle or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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lvania, not cheap, but a Damn nice job, I don=92t like taking chances with =
Gasoline.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

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[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ch=
arles durning<br>
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Great that you found an NOS tank, with all of the CRAP they are putting in
the Gas nowadays and who knows what in the future, I didn't want to worry
about having something flaking off and giving me problems down the road.
Glenn was great to work with the tank left one week and was back here in
about 10 days, just like he said it would.

Mike H.

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:18 AM

Mike,

I looked into using their services years ago for an old Mercedes I once had.
I heard that do good work.  However, I found a NOS gas tank for the old
Mercedes and went that way.

Charlie Durning

 

Charlie, 

Here goes, Looper Service center, www.loopersc.com
<http://www.loopersc.com/>  Glenn Looper President.

Mike H.

Mike,

 

Charlie Durning

 

Mike H.

Arch,

 

Charlie Durning

 

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Arch,

 

Charlie Durning

 

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D'>Great that you found an NOS tank, with all of the CRAP they are =
putting in the Gas nowadays and who knows what in the future, I =
didn&#8217;t want to worry about having something flaking off and giving =
me problems down the road. Glenn was great to work with the tank left =
one week and was back here in about 10 days, just like he said it =
would.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
durning<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:18 =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,&nbsp; Hopefully that information will be =
helpful to Arch and perhaps others.<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I looked into =
using their services years ago for an old Mercedes I once had.&nbsp; I =
heard that do good work.&nbsp; However, I found a NOS gas tank for the =
old Mercedes&nbsp;and went that way.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks for jogging my memory I had forgotten about =
them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:30 AM, sandyandmike &lt;<a =
D'>Charlie, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
href=3D"http://www.loopersc.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.loopersc.com</a> =
Glenn Looper President.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
terribly wrong and having a car full of gas.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
</b>charles durning<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2013 12:01 =
photo</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Mike,<o:p></=
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Do you have =
their contact information?<br =
4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, sandyandmike &lt;<a =
AM </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
America</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:34:55 -0500 (EST)

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I am almost ready to connect the heater controls from the dash to the valve=
.  The slide control for temperature does two things, it opens the valve to=
 allow hot water to flow and it controls an inner flap.  How should the val=
ve and the inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable?  Maybe it will be =
obvious when I get into the car but not much is obvious to me when I am scr=
unched up.  I didn't do this step on my prior Magnette re-do because I don'=
t have a proper valve for it. =20

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valve.&nbsp; The slide control&nbsp;for temperature does two things, it ope=
ns the valve to allow hot water to flow and it controls an inner flap.&nbsp=
; How should the valve and the inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable=
?&nbsp; Maybe it will be obvious when I get into the car but not much is ob=
vious to me when I am scrunched up.&nbsp; I didn't do this step on my prior=
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From: Kelvin Dodd <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:34:12 -0800

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Lets see if this works.

From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]=
.net] On Behalf Of Rodger Shaver
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:35 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections

t have a proper valve for it.

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lve.&nbsp; The slide control&nbsp;for temperature does two things, it opens=
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:59:55 -0800

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this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but when Fearless Leader =
Allen and I were in the UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we were =
treated to an explanation by someone, who obviously and actually did =
understand the thing (meaning the entire =
air/heater/circulation/defroster system).  I can tell you that (NOT =
speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an intense 20 =
minutes long, and had to do with things like "when this is open, then =
air is circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ valve =
being open, while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed to =
the defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&.  This went on for, honest to =
god, 20 minutes.  I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&*.  I've done a =
couple of B's, and there seems to be no relationship there whatsoever.  =
I actually understand what happens, I think, in a B.

But thanks Kelvin . . . I get this part!

#2SteveK
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Kelvin Dodd=20
  To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'=20
  Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections

  Lets see if this works.=20

  =20

[mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Rodger Shaver

  =20

  I am almost ready to connect the heater controls from the dash to the =
valve.  The slide control for temperature does two things, it opens the =
valve to allow hot water to flow and it controls an inner flap.  How =
should the valve and the inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable?  =
Maybe it will be obvious when I get into the car but not much is obvious =
to me when I am scrunched up.  I didn't do this step on my prior =
Magnette re-do because I don't have a proper valve for it. =20

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<DIV>this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but when Fearless =
Leader=20
Allen and I were in the UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we were =
treated to=20
an explanation by someone, who obviously and actually did understand the =
thing=20
(meaning the entire air/heater/circulation/defroster system).&nbsp; I =
can tell=20
you that (NOT speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an =
intense 20=20
minutes long, and had to do with&nbsp;things like "when this is open, =
then air=20
is circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ valve =
being open,=20
while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed to the defroster, =
and=20
exits out the @#$%^&amp;.&nbsp; This went on for, honest to god, 20=20
minutes.&nbsp; I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&amp;*.&nbsp; I've =
done a=20
couple of B's, and there seems to be no relationship there =
whatsoever.&nbsp; I=20
actually understand what happens, I think, in a B.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But thanks Kelvin . . . I get this part!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>#2SteveK</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=[email-masked] =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Kelvin=20
  Dodd</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North=20
  America'</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 18, =
2013 1:34=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Heater =
control=20
  connections</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Lets=20
  see if this works. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">zmagnette-bounces@autox.=
team.net</A>=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Rodger=20
  Shaver<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:35 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A><BR>=
<B>Subject:</B>=20
  [Zmagnette] Heater control connections<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I am almost =
ready to=20
  connect the heater controls from the dash to the valve.&nbsp; The =
slide=20
  control&nbsp;for temperature does two things, it opens the valve to =
allow hot=20
  water to flow and it controls an inner flap.&nbsp; How should the =
valve and=20
  the inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable?&nbsp; Maybe it will =
be=20
  obvious when I get into the car but not much is obvious to me when I =
am=20
  scrunched up.&nbsp; I didn't do this step on my prior Magnette re-do =
because I=20
  don't have a proper valve for it.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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From: Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:24:16 -0500

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Yes, Steve is right...

 We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions =
and controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was =
considerably easier to understand.  (Not to say that it WAS understood!) =
 There was one freak moment during my restoration when a flash of =
intellectual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully =
understood the workings of the cowl-vent lever.  This flash of =
brilliance was so full it struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. To =
retain that vast battery of comprehension, while simultaneously grasping =
the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to effect all =
possible permutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh or =
recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or defroster =
vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car =
whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. =20

There is little doubt in my mind that three extra-terrestials from a =
much more advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico in the early =
'50s, and teleported their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on =
three successive nights, leaving him with a heater/defroster design of =
which he understood nothing  but felt inexplicably compelled to use in =
the new Magnette.  In the meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits =
returned to their home-planet where they were properly rebuked for their =
poor navigational skills - having landed in Roswell instead of =
Stonehenge where they had previously landed and built this circular =
stone marker to guide them back*.=20

*Although other archeologists have alternatively explained the artifact =
at Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, "monumentally" =
inefficient squirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of that unit =
replicated in the Z Magnette.

What else could possibly explain this design? No ordinary human being =
could possibly have designed this.  After all, John Twist himself has =
exclaimed that he never understood it. (Really!!)  We have here a design =
clearly emanating from beyond the human realm...  Of course anybody, =
regardless of intellectual advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya =
expect from three guys who couldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? =
Why do you think I replaced my entire Magnette heater with a modern one?=20=

Allen=20
****************************************************************
Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
****************************************************************

On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:

> this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but when Fearless =
Leader Allen and I were in the UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we =
were treated to an explanation by someone, who obviously and actually =
did understand the thing (meaning the entire =
air/heater/circulation/defroster system).  I can tell you that (NOT =
speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an intense 20 =
minutes long, and had to do with things like "when this is open, then =
air is circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ valve =
being open, while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed to =
the defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&.  This went on for, honest to =
god, 20 minutes.  I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&*.  I've done a =
couple of B's, and there seems to be no relationship there whatsoever.  =
I actually understand what happens, I think, in a B.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelvin Dodd
> To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
Magnette re-do because I don't have a proper valve for it.=20
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/[email-masked]

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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; ">Yes, Steve is right...<div><br></div><div>&nbsp;We =
heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions and =
controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was =
considerably easier to understand. &nbsp;(Not to say that it WAS =
understood!) &nbsp;There was one freak moment during my restoration when =
a flash of intellectual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, =
I fully understood the workings of the cowl-vent lever. &nbsp;This flash =
of brilliance was so full it struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. =
To retain that vast battery of comprehension, while simultaneously =
grasping the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to =
effect all possible permutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh =
or recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or defroster =
vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car =
whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>There is little doubt in my mind that =
three extra-terrestials from a much more advanced planet landed in =
Roswell New Mexico in the early '50s, and teleported their spirits to =
Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on three successive nights, leaving him =
with a heater/defroster design of which he understood nothing &nbsp;but =
felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new Magnette. &nbsp;In the =
meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits returned to their =
home-planet where they were properly rebuked for their poor navigational =
skills - having landed in Roswell instead of Stonehenge where they had =
previously landed and built this circular stone marker to guide them =
back*.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>*Although other archeologists have =
alternatively explained the artifact at Stonehenge as perhaps a =
petrified prehistoric, "monumentally" inefficient squirrel-cage blower - =
modeling the design of that unit replicated in the Z =
Magnette.</div><div><br></div><div>What else could possibly explain this =
design? No ordinary human being could possibly have designed this. =
&nbsp;After all, John Twist himself has exclaimed that he never =
understood it. (Really!!) &nbsp;We have here a design clearly emanating =
from beyond the human realm... &nbsp;Of course anybody, regardless of =
intellectual advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya expect from three =
guys who couldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think =
I replaced my entire Magnette heater with a modern =
one?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Allen&nbsp;<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" =
vlink=3D"purple"><div>this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but =
when Fearless Leader Allen and I were in the UK celebrating the =
Magnette's 60th, we were treated to an explanation by someone, who =
obviously and actually did understand the thing (meaning the entire =
air/heater/circulation/defroster system).&nbsp; I can tell you that (NOT =
speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an intense 20 =
minutes long, and had to do with&nbsp;things like "when this is open, =
then air is circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ =
valve being open, while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed =
to the defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&amp;.&nbsp; This went on for, =
honest to god, 20 minutes.&nbsp; I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd =
@#$%^&amp;*.&nbsp; I've done a couple of B's, and there seems to be no =
relationship there whatsoever.&nbsp; I actually understand what happens, =
I think, in a B.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>But thanks Kelvin . . . I =
get this part!</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>#2SteveK</div><blockquote =
style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; =
border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; =
margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style=3D"font: normal normal =
normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div =
style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: =
initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; =
background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); =
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initial; "><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Kelvin =
Dodd</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">'List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America'</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, December 18, =
2013 1:34 PM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Zmagnette] Heater =
control connections</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style=3D"font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Lets =
see if this works.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style=3D"font-family: =
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'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b><span =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; =
">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">[email-masked]</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On =
Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Rodger =
Shaver<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, December 18, =
2013 10:35 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
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From: franklin sprafke <[email-masked]>
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Hi=2C
How do I remove he air vent* that resides between the bonnet and the windsc=
reen?  I've been unable to find good exploded diagrams in either the WSM or=
 SPL. =20
* the SPL calls the vent cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - Dash Ventilator
I can open the vent up=2C but it is very rusty and doesn't move well.  The =
vent cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but I suspect it is =
all rotted out underneath the lid.  When I open the vent=2C I can see a num=
ber of phillips head screws under the lid and above the screen mesh.  I sus=
pect that removing them will allow me to pull the vent lid off=2C but those=
 screws are so rusty they are going to break long before I can unscrew them=
 so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the group.=20
I have the heater unit out of the car=2C but I don't see any easy access fr=
om underneath.   I can see that there are 4 screws under the dash that look=
 like they hold the flap to the air vent duct in place.  However=2C  it loo=
ks like it will still be impossible to extract the flap even if those 4 scr=
ews do come out - it's a really tight fit under there. =20
So before I go about this the wrong way - what is the right way to remove t=
he vent for repair? =20
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards=2C
Dick
Dick SprafkeProvidence=2C RI57 ZB 		 	   		  =

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e windscreen? &nbsp=3BI've been unable to find good exploded diagrams in ei=
ther the WSM or SPL. &nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div><div>* the SPL calls the =
vent cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - Dash Ventilator</div><div><br></div><div>=
I can open the vent up=2C but it is very rusty and doesn't move well. &nbsp=
=3BThe vent cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but I suspect=
 it is all rotted out underneath the lid. &nbsp=3BWhen I open the vent=2C I=
 can see a number of phillips head screws under the lid and above the scree=
n mesh. &nbsp=3BI suspect that removing them will allow me to pull the vent=
 lid off=2C but those screws are so rusty they are going to break long befo=
re I can unscrew them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the group=
.&nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div><div>I have the heater unit out of the car=2C=
 but I don't see any easy access from underneath. &nbsp=3B I can see that t=
here are 4 screws under the dash that look like they hold the flap to the a=
ir vent duct in place. &nbsp=3BHowever=2C &nbsp=3Bit looks like it will sti=
ll be impossible to extract the flap even if those 4 screws do come out - i=
t's a really tight fit under there. &nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div><div>So be=
fore I go about this the wrong way - what is the right way to remove the ve=
nt for repair? &nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Best Regards=2C</div><div><br></div><div>Dick</div><div><=
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From: steve grundt <[email-masked]>
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you have to remove the screen to get at the nuts thhat hold the cover. try
penetrant or drill the heads off.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM, franklin sprafke <[email-masked]>wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> How do I remove he air vent* that resides between the bonnet and the
> windscreen?  I've been unable to find good exploded diagrams in either the
> WSM or SPL.
>
> I can open the vent up, but it is very rusty and doesn't move well.  The
> vent cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but I suspect it is
> all rotted out underneath the lid.  When I open the vent, I can see a
> number of phillips head screws under the lid and above the screen mesh.  I
> suspect that removing them will allow me to pull the vent lid off, but
> those screws are so rusty they are going to break long before I can unscrew
> them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the group.
>
> I have the heater unit out of the car, but I don't see any easy access
> from underneath.   I can see that there are 4 screws under the dash that
> look like they hold the flap to the air vent duct in place.  However,  it
> looks like it will still be impossible to extract the flap even if those 4
> screws do come out - it's a really tight fit under there.
>
> So before I go about this the wrong way - what is the right way to remove
> the vent for repair?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dick
>
> Dick Sprafke
> Providence, RI
> 57 ZB
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/[email-masked]
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">you have to remove the screen to get at the nuts thhat hol=
d the cover. try penetrant or drill the heads off.</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM,=
 franklin sprafke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:frsprafke@hotmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>How do I remove=
 he air vent* that resides between the bonnet and the windscreen? =A0I&#39;=
ve been unable to find good exploded diagrams in either the WSM or SPL. =A0=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>* the SPL calls the vent cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - D=
ash Ventilator</div><div><br></div><div>I can open the vent up, but it is v=
ery rusty and doesn&#39;t move well. =A0The vent cover itself looks to be i=
n reasonably good shape but I suspect it is all rotted out underneath the l=
id. =A0When I open the vent, I can see a number of phillips head screws und=
er the lid and above the screen mesh. =A0I suspect that removing them will =
allow me to pull the vent lid off, but those screws are so rusty they are g=
oing to break long before I can unscrew them so I thought I&#39;d better as=
k for advice from the group.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>I have the heater unit out of the car, but I don&#39;t =
see any easy access from underneath. =A0 I can see that there are 4 screws =
under the dash that look like they hold the flap to the air vent duct in pl=
ace. =A0However, =A0it looks like it will still be impossible to extract th=
e flap even if those 4 screws do come out - it&#39;s a really tight fit und=
er there. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>So before I go about this the wrong way - what is the r=
ight way to remove the vent for repair? =A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks=
 in advance.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div><br></div><di=
v>
Dick</div><div><br></div><div>Dick Sprafke</div><div>Providence, RI</div><d=
iv>57 ZB</div> 		 	   		  </div></div>
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From: "Steve Kirby" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 07:23:44 -0800

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ayyyyee:  refer to Allen's explanation (of today) of all things =
heater/defroster/air/cold air/warm air/recirculating air/hot water/cold =
water.  That should clear it right up

This much I know about British cars:  The first piece down the assembly =
line is the heater.  All parts are then built around it.  Thus, as the =
Haynes Manuals would state, loosely paraphrased:  Dissassembly is the =
reverse of assembly.  So, step 1:  Remove the tailights  Step 2:  Remove =
the hub caps . . . and so forth.

Hope this helps.

#2SteveK
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: franklin sprafke=20
  To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
  Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent Removal

  Hi,

  How do I remove he air vent* that resides between the bonnet and the =
windscreen?  I've been unable to find good exploded diagrams in either =
the WSM or SPL. =20

  I can open the vent up, but it is very rusty and doesn't move well.  =
The vent cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but I suspect =
it is all rotted out underneath the lid.  When I open the vent, I can =
see a number of phillips head screws under the lid and above the screen =
mesh.  I suspect that removing them will allow me to pull the vent lid =
off, but those screws are so rusty they are going to break long before I =
can unscrew them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the group.=20

  I have the heater unit out of the car, but I don't see any easy access =
from underneath.   I can see that there are 4 screws under the dash that =
look like they hold the flap to the air vent duct in place.  However,  =
it looks like it will still be impossible to extract the flap even if =
those 4 screws do come out - it's a really tight fit under there. =20

  So before I go about this the wrong way - what is the right way to =
remove the vent for repair? =20

  Thanks in advance.

  Best Regards,

  Dick

  Dick Sprafke
  Providence, RI
  57 ZB

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<DIV>ayyyyee:&nbsp; refer to Allen's explanation (of today)&nbsp;of all =
things=20
heater/defroster/air/cold air/warm air/recirculating air/hot water/cold=20
water.&nbsp; That should clear it right up</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>This much I know about British cars:&nbsp; The first piece down the =

assembly line is the heater.&nbsp; All parts are then built around =
it.&nbsp;=20
Thus, as the Haynes Manuals would state, loosely paraphrased:&nbsp; =
Dissassembly=20
is the reverse of assembly.&nbsp; So, step 1:&nbsp; Remove the =
tailights&nbsp;=20
Step 2:&nbsp; Remove the hub caps . . . and so forth.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <A title=[email-masked] =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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- North=20
  America</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 18, =
2013 10:25=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Air =
Vent=20
  Removal</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>
  <DIV>Hi,</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>How do I remove he air vent* that resides between the bonnet and =
the=20
  windscreen? &nbsp;I've been unable to find good exploded diagrams in =
either=20
  the WSM or SPL. &nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>* the SPL calls the vent cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - Dash=20
  Ventilator</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>I can open the vent up, but it is very rusty and doesn't move =
well.=20
  &nbsp;The vent cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but I =
suspect=20
  it is all rotted out underneath the lid. &nbsp;When I open the vent, I =
can see=20
  a number of phillips head screws under the lid and above the screen =
mesh.=20
  &nbsp;I suspect that removing them will allow me to pull the vent lid =
off, but=20
  those screws are so rusty they are going to break long before I can =
unscrew=20
  them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the =
group.&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>I have the heater unit out of the car, but I don't see any easy =
access=20
  from underneath. &nbsp; I can see that there are 4 screws under the =
dash that=20
  look like they hold the flap to the air vent duct in place. =
&nbsp;However,=20
  &nbsp;it looks like it will still be impossible to extract the flap =
even if=20
  those 4 screws do come out - it's a really tight fit under there. =
&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>So before I go about this the wrong way - what is the right way =
to remove=20
  the vent for repair? &nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks in advance.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Dick</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Dick Sprafke</DIV>
  <DIV>Providence, RI</DIV>
  <DIV>57 ZB</DIV></DIV>
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Steve.

Times have not changed much. I picked up a 1991 Range Rover that needs to h=
ave the heater core replaced.

This is an excerpt from the recommended replacement procedure.

Step 1. Remove circlip from driver's side upper door hinge
Step 2. Remove left hand foot panel and disconnect door wiring harness
Step 3. Remove driver's side door.
Step 4. Remove circlip from passenger side upper door hinge
Etc etc.

From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]=
.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:24 AM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent Removal

ayyyyee:  refer to Allen's explanation (of today) of all things heater/defr=
oster/air/cold air/warm air/recirculating air/hot water/cold water.  That s=
hould clear it right up

This much I know about British cars:  The first piece down the assembly lin=
e is the heater.  All parts are then built around it.  Thus, as the Haynes =
Manuals would state, loosely paraphrased:  Dissassembly is the reverse of a=
ssembly.  So, step 1:  Remove the tailights  Step 2:  Remove the hub caps .=
 . . and so forth.

Hope this helps.

#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----
am.net>

Hi,

 SPL.

I can open the vent up, but it is very rusty and doesn't move well.  The ve=
nt cover itself looks to be in reasonably good shape but I suspect it is al=
l rotted out underneath the lid.  When I open the vent, I can see a number =
of phillips head screws under the lid and above the screen mesh.  I suspect=
 that removing them will allow me to pull the vent lid off, but those screw=
s are so rusty they are going to break long before I can unscrew them so I =
thought I'd better ask for advice from the group.

I have the heater unit out of the car, but I don't see any easy access from=
 underneath.   I can see that there are 4 screws under the dash that look l=
ike they hold the flap to the air vent duct in place.  However,  it looks l=
ike it will still be impossible to extract the flap even if those 4 screws =
do come out - it's a really tight fit under there.

he vent for repair?

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,

Dick

Dick Sprafke
Providence, RI
57 ZB
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=3Dwhite lang=3DEN-US=
 link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
F497D'>Steve. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Times have not changed much. I=
 picked up a 1991 Range Rover that needs to have the heater core replaced.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is an excerpt from the recommended repla=
cement procedure. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Step 1. Remove circl=
ip from driver&#8217;s side upper door hinge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D'>Step 2. Remove left hand foot panel and disconnect door=
 wiring harness<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Step 3. Re=
move driver&#8217;s side door.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'>Step 4. Remove circlip from passenger side upper door hinge<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Etc etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'borde=
r:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-=
serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'> [email-masked] [mailto:zmagnette-bounces=
@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Kirby<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, =
December 19, 2013 7:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - Nor=
th America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent Removal<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ayyyyee:&n=
bsp; refer to Allen's explanation (of today)&nbsp;of all things heater/defr=
oster/air/cold air/warm air/recirculating air/hot water/cold water.&nbsp; T=
hat should clear it right up<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif"'>This much I know about British cars:&nbsp; The first pie=
ce down the assembly line is the heater.&nbsp; All parts are then built aro=
und it.&nbsp; Thus, as the Haynes Manuals would state, loosely paraphrased:=
&nbsp; Dissassembly is the reverse of assembly.&nbsp; So, step 1:&nbsp; Rem=
ove the tailights&nbsp; Step 2:&nbsp; Remove the hub caps . . . and so fort=
h.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hope th=
is helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'=
>#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;borde=
r-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margi=
n-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Or=
iginal Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tit=
le=3D"[email-masked]">franklin sprafke</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ti=
tle=3D"[email-masked]">List for the Z Magnette Group - North Amer=
ica</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, =
December 18, 2013 10:25 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>S=
ubject:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans=
-serif"'> Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent Removal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi,<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>How do I remove h=
e air vent* that resides between the bonnet and the windscreen? &nbsp;I've =
been unable to find good exploded diagrams in either the WSM or SPL. &nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-f=
amily:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>* the SPL=
 calls the vent cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - Dash Ventilator<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I can open the vent up, =
but it is very rusty and doesn't move well. &nbsp;The vent cover itself loo=
ks to be in reasonably good shape but I suspect it is all rotted out undern=
eath the lid. &nbsp;When I open the vent, I can see a number of phillips he=
ad screws under the lid and above the screen mesh. &nbsp;I suspect that rem=
oving them will allow me to pull the vent lid off, but those screws are so =
rusty they are going to break long before I can unscrew them so I thought I=
'd better ask for advice from the group.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have the heater unit out of the car,=
 but I don't see any easy access from underneath. &nbsp; I can see that the=
re are 4 screws under the dash that look like they hold the flap to the air=
 vent duct in place. &nbsp;However, &nbsp;it looks like it will still be im=
possible to extract the flap even if those 4 screws do come out - it's a re=
ally tight fit under there. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So before I go about this the wrong way - what is =
the right way to remove the vent for repair? &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dick<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dick Sprafke<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibr=
i","sans-serif"'>Providence, RI<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>57 ZB<o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'tex=
t-align:center'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=
=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
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From: Richard Greenberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:07:57 -0700

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Don't blame the British.  I tried to change the heater blower motor on a =
2001 Camry and I gave up.  same story.

On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Kelvin Dodd wrote:

> Steve.
> =20
> Times have not changed much. I picked up a 1991 Range Rover that needs =
to have the heater core replaced.
> =20
> This is an excerpt from the recommended replacement procedure. =20
> =20
> Step 1. Remove circlip from driver=92s side upper door hinge
> Step 3. Remove driver=92s side door.
[mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
> =20
> This much I know about British cars:  The first piece down the =
assembly line is the heater.  All parts are then built around it.  Thus, =
as the Haynes Manuals would state, loosely paraphrased:  Dissassembly is =
the reverse of assembly.  So, step 1:  Remove the tailights  Step 2:  =
Remove the hub caps . . . and so forth.
> From: franklin sprafke
can unscrew them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the group.=20=

http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/[email-masked]

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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://14/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; ">Don't blame the British. &nbsp;I tried to change =
the heater blower motor on a 2001 Camry and I gave up. &nbsp;same =
story.<div><br><div><div>On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Kelvin Dodd =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: =
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">Steve.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Times have not changed much. I =
picked up a 1991 Range Rover that needs to have the heater core =
replaced.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">This is an excerpt from the =
recommended replacement procedure. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Step 1. Remove circlip from driver=92s side upper =
door hinge<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Step 2. Remove left hand foot panel and disconnect =
door wiring harness<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Step 3. Remove driver=92s side =
door.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Step 4. Remove circlip from passenger side upper =
door hinge<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Etc etc.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div><div style=3D"border-right-style: =
none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: =
initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: =
0in; "><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">[email-masked]</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On =
Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Steve =
Kirby<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, December 19, 2013 =
7:24 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent =
Removal<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">ayyyyee:&nbsp; refer to =
Allen's explanation (of today)&nbsp;of all things =
heater/defroster/air/cold air/warm air/recirculating air/hot water/cold =
water.&nbsp; That should clear it right =
up<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">This much I know about =
British cars:&nbsp; The first piece down the assembly line is the =
heater.&nbsp; All parts are then built around it.&nbsp; Thus, as the =
Haynes Manuals would state, loosely paraphrased:&nbsp; Dissassembly is =
the reverse of assembly.&nbsp; So, step 1:&nbsp; Remove the =
tailights&nbsp; Step 2:&nbsp; Remove the hub caps . . . and so =
forth.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hope this =
helps.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
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serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
">#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D"border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; =
border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; =
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0in; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">----- =
Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; =
background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: =
rgb(228, 228, 228); "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">franklin =
sprafke</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, December 18, =
2013 10:25 PM<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; ">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Zmagnette] Air Vent =
Removal<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">How do I remove he air =
vent* that resides between the bonnet and the windscreen? &nbsp;I've =
been unable to find good exploded diagrams in either the WSM or SPL. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">* the SPL calls the vent =
cover: P/N 36 Lid Assembly - Dash =
Ventilator<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I can open the vent up, but =
it is very rusty and doesn't move well. &nbsp;The vent cover itself =
looks to be in reasonably good shape but I suspect it is all rotted out =
underneath the lid. &nbsp;When I open the vent, I can see a number of =
phillips head screws under the lid and above the screen mesh. &nbsp;I =
suspect that removing them will allow me to pull the vent lid off, but =
those screws are so rusty they are going to break long before I can =
unscrew them so I thought I'd better ask for advice from the =
group.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:=
 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I have the heater unit out =
of the car, but I don't see any easy access from underneath. &nbsp; I =
can see that there are 4 screws under the dash that look like they hold =
the flap to the air vent duct in place. &nbsp;However, &nbsp;it looks =
like it will still be impossible to extract the flap even if those 4 =
screws do come out - it's a really tight fit under there. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">So before I go about this =
the wrong way - what is the right way to remove the vent for repair? =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Best =
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
">Dick<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
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serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
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"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
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serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
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Sprafke<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
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serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
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RI<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
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<head></head><body data-blackberry-caret-color="#00a8df" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Modern MG heater? Or modern car heater? Have details of this conversion been released? Maybe I was sleeping&nbsp;</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">James&nbsp;</div>                                                                                                                                     <p style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</p>                                                                                                                                                                           <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">                                              <div id="_persistentHeader" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;">  <div><b>From: </b>Allen Bachelder</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:27 AM</div><div><b>To: </b>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><base href="x-msg://1184/">Yes, Steve is right...<div><br></div><div>&nbsp;We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions and controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was considerably easier to understand. &nbsp;(Not to say that it WAS understood!) &nbsp;There was one freak moment during my restoration when a flash of intellectual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully understood the workings of the cowl-vent lever. &nbsp;This flash of brilliance was so full it struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. To retain that vast battery of comprehension, while simultaneously grasping the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to effect all possible permutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh or recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or defroster vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>There is little doubt in my mind that three extra-terrestials from a much more advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico in the early '50s, and teleported their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on three successive nights, leaving him with a heater/defroster design of which he understood nothing &nbsp;but felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new Magnette. &nbsp;In the meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits returned to their home-planet where they were properly rebuked for their poor navigational skills - having landed in Roswell instead of Stonehenge where they had previously landed and built this circular stone marker to guide them back*.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>*Although other archeologists have alternatively explained the artifact at Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, "monumentally" inefficient squirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of that unit replicated in the Z Magnette.</div><div><br></div><div>What else could possibly explain this design? No ordinary human being could possibly have designed this. &nbsp;After all, John Twist himself has exclaimed that he never understood it. (Really!!) &nbsp;We have here a design clearly emanating from beyond the human realm... &nbsp;Of course anybody, regardless of intellectual advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya expect from three guys who couldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think I replaced my entire Magnette heater with a modern one?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Allen&nbsp;<br><div>
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Kelvin,

Be of good cheer.  My doctor related to me today the instructions he =
found for replacing the RH low beam on his Saturn.  It involves jacking =
and removing left front wheel, removal of plastic inner wing, etc...

Cheers,
Allen

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after-white-space; ">Kelvin,<div><br></div><div>Be of good cheer. =
&nbsp;My doctor related to me today the instructions he found for =
replacing the RH low beam on his Saturn. &nbsp;It involves jacking and =
removing left front wheel, removal of plastic inner wing, =
etc...</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Allen<br><div>

<br><div><div>On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Kelvin Dodd wrote:</div><br =

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James,

No, you weren't sleeping. In my case, it was a new combined heater/evaporato=
r unit - a "Gen II" unit from Vintage Air. It's a tight fit but it works ver=
y well in both modes.=20

Holiday Cheers!
Allen

Sent from my iPhone
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
Allen Bachelder, prop.=20

> On Dec 19, 2013, at 7:22 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
>=20
> Modern MG heater? Or modern car heater? Have details of this conversion be=
en released? Maybe I was sleeping=20
> James=20
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>=20
> From: Allen Bachelder
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:27 AM
> Reply To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>  We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions an=
d controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was consid=
erably easier to understand.  (Not to say that it WAS understood!)  There wa=
s one freak moment during my restoration when a flash of intellectual light s=
truck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully understood the workings of t=
he cowl-vent lever.  This flash of brilliance was so full it struck me to th=
e floor, totally exhausted. To retain that vast battery of comprehension, wh=
ile simultaneously grasping the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-min=
gled so as to effect all possible permutations and combinations of cold or w=
arm, fresh or recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or de f=
roster vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car w=
hatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. =20
>=20
> There is little doubt in my mind that three extra-terrestials from a much m=
ore advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico in the early '50s, and tele=
ported their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on three successive n=
ights, leaving him with a heater/defroster design of which he understood not=
hing  but felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new Magnette.  In the me=
antime, the three extra-terrestial spirits returned to their home-planet whe=
re they were properly rebuked for their poor navigational skills - having la=
nded in Roswell instead of Stonehenge where they had previously landed and b=
uilt this circular stone marker to guide them back*.=20
>=20
> *Although other archeologists have alternatively explained the artifact at=
 Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, "monumentally" inef ficient s=
quirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of that unit replicated in the Z M=
agnette.
>=20
> What else could possibly explain this design? No ordinary human being coul=
d possibly have designed this.  After all, John Twist himself has exclaimed t=
hat he never understood it. (Really!!)  We have here a design clearly emanat=
ing from beyond the human realm...  Of course anybody, regardless of intelle=
ctual advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya expect from three guys who co=
uldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think I replaced my e=
ntire Magnette heater with a modern one?=20
>> this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but when Fearless Leader A=
llen and I were in the UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we were treated t=
o an explanation by someone, who obviously and actually did understand the t=
hing (meaning the entire air/heater/circulati on/defroster system).  I can t=
ell you that (NOT speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an in=
tense 20 minutes long, and had to do with things like "when this is open, th=
en air is circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ valve b=
eing open, while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed to the def=
roster, and exits out the @#$%^&.  This went on for, honest to god, 20 minut=
es.  I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&*.  I've done a couple of B's, an=
d there seems to be no relationship there whatsoever.  I actually understand=
 what happens, I think, in a B.
>> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net] On Behalf Of Rodger Shaver
>> I am almost ready to connect the heater controls from the dash to the val=
ve.  The slide control for temperature does two things, it opens the valve t=
o allow hot water to flow and it controls an inner flap.  How should the val=
ve and the inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable?  Maybe it will be o=
bvious when I get into the car but not much is obvious to me when I am scrun=
ched up.  I didn't do this step on my prior Magnette re-do because I don't h=
ave a proper valve for it.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>James,</div><div><br></div><div>No, yo=
u weren't sleeping. In my case, it was a new combined heater/evaporator unit=
 - a "Gen II" unit from Vintage Air. It's a tight fit but it works very well=
 in both modes.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Holiday Cheers!</div><div>All=
en</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone<div>Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs</=
div><div>Allen Bachelder, prop.&nbsp;</div></div><div><br>On Dec 19, 2013, a=
t 7:22 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wr=
ote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"width: 100%; f=
ont-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">M=
odern MG heater? Or modern car heater? Have details of this conversion been r=
eleased? Maybe I was sleeping&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-siz=
e: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73=
, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">James&nb=
sp;</div>                                                                   =
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"font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: r=
gb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"=
>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</p>                                 =
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b(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: T=
ahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;">  <div><b>From: </b>A=
llen Bachelder</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:27 AM</d=
iv><div><b>To: </b>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America</div><div><=
b>Reply To: </b>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America</div><div><b>S=
ubject: </b>Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections</div></div></td></tr>=
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color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id=3D"_originalContent" style=3D"=
"><base href=3D"x-msg://1184/">Yes, Steve is right...<div><br></div><div>&nb=
sp;We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions an=
d controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was consid=
erably easier to understand. &nbsp;(Not to say that it WAS understood!) &nbs=
p;There was one freak moment during my restoration when a flash of intellect=
ual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully understood the w=
orkings of the cowl-vent lever. &nbsp;This flash of brilliance was so full i=
t struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. To retain that vast battery of c=
omprehension, while simultaneously grasping the melange of cables and levers=
 obtusely co-mingled so as to effect all possible permutations and combinati=
ons of cold or warm, fresh or recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through flo=
or vents, or de
 froster vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the ca=
r whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>There is little doubt in my mind that three extra-terrestials from a much=
 more advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico in the early '50s, and te=
leported their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on three successiv=
e nights, leaving him with a heater/defroster design of which he understood n=
othing &nbsp;but felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new Magnette. &nb=
sp;In the meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits returned to their hom=
e-planet where they were properly rebuked for their poor navigational skills=
 - having landed in Roswell instead of Stonehenge where they had previously l=
anded and built this circular stone marker to guide them back*.&nbsp;</div><=
div><br></div><div>*Although other archeologists have alternatively explaine=
d the artifact at Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, "monumental=
ly" inef
 ficient squirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of that unit replicated i=
n the Z Magnette.</div><div><br></div><div>What else could possibly explain t=
his design? No ordinary human being could possibly have designed this. &nbsp=
;After all, John Twist himself has exclaimed that he never understood it. (R=
eally!!) &nbsp;We have here a design clearly emanating from beyond the human=
 realm... &nbsp;Of course anybody, regardless of intellectual advancement, c=
an make mistakes - whadaya expect from three guys who couldn't distinguish R=
oswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think I replaced my entire Magnette heate=
r with a modern one?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Allen&nbsp;<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:</div><br class=
=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Appl=
e-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; fo=
nt-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:=
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ent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing=
: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spaci=
ng: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:=
 auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang=3D"EN-=
US" link=3D"blue" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" vlink=3D"purple"><div>this will be of a=
bsolutely no help whatsoever, but when Fearless Leader Allen and I were in t=
he UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we were treated to an explanation by s=
omeone, who obviously and actually did understand the thing (meaning the ent=
ire air/heater/circulati
 on/defroster system).&nbsp; I can tell you that (NOT speaking for Allen!!!)=
, the explanation was at least an intense 20 minutes long, and had to do wit=
h&nbsp;things like "when this is open, then air is circulating from here to t=
here, which necessitates the #$%^ valve being open, while simulatanousely th=
e excess air is being directed to the defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&amp=
;.&nbsp; This went on for, honest to god, 20 minutes.&nbsp; I was lost after=
 the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&amp;*.&nbsp; I've done a couple of B's, and there seem=
s to be no relationship there whatsoever.&nbsp; I actually understand what h=
appens, I think, in a B.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>But thanks Kelvin . . . I=
 get this part!</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>#2SteveK</div><blockquote style=3D=
"border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style:=
 solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-righ=
t: 0px; "><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----=
- Original=20
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al; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-or=
igin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228=
); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;=
 "><b>From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a title=3D=
"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: b=
lue; text-decoration: underline; ">Kelvin Dodd</a></div><div style=3D"font: n=
ormal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-conv=
erted-space">&nbsp;</span><a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underlin=
e; ">'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'</a></div><div style=3D"=
font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"A=
pple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:34 PM</div=
><div style=3D"font: normal norma
 l normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted=
-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections</div><div><b=
r></div><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div styl=
e=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0i=
n; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style=3D"=
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "=
>Lets see if this works.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0i=
n; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Ti=
mes New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style=3D"font-family: Calibr=
i, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom=
: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 1=
2pt; "><b><span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "=
>From:</span></b><span styl=3D"" e=3D"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-=
size: 10pt; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; text-decorati=
on: underline; ">[email-masked]</a><span class=3D"Apple-co=
nverted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span class=3D"Apple-conver=
ted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"=
>&nbsp;</span></b>Rodger Shaver<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converte=
d-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:35 AM<br><b>To:</b><sp=
an class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@=
autox.team.net" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnett=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"=
>&nbsp;</span>[Zmagnette] Heater control connections<o:p></o:p></span></div>=
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin=
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 f; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
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Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style=3D"font-family: Aria=
l, sans-serif; color: black; ">I am almost ready to connect the heater contr=
ols from the dash to the valve.&nbsp; The slide control&nbsp;for temperature=
 does two things, it opens the valve to allow hot water to flow and it contr=
ols an inner flap.&nbsp; How should the valve and the inner flap be set when=
 I reinstall the cable?&nbsp; Maybe it will be obvious when I get into the c=
ar but not much is obvious to me when I am scrunched up.&nbsp; I didn't do t=
his step on my prior Magnette re-do because I don't have a proper valve for i=
t.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><br class=3D"webkit-block-p=
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Allen,

Smells a little like Ezra Brooks or Jackie D to me.................

Ed Sass

Edward Sass

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From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]=
.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:24 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections

Yes, Steve is right...

 We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions and=
 controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was consid=
erably easier to understand.  (Not to say that it WAS understood!)  There w=
as one freak moment during my restoration when a flash of intellectual ligh=
t struck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully understood the workings=
 of the cowl-vent lever.  This flash of brilliance was so full it struck me=
 to the floor, totally exhausted. To retain that vast battery of comprehens=
ion, while simultaneously grasping the melange of cables and levers obtusel=
y co-mingled so as to effect all possible permutations and combinations of =
cold or warm, fresh or recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor ven=
ts, or defroster vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity insi=
de the car whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm.

There is little doubt in my mind that three extra-terrestials from a much m=
ore advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico in the early '50s, and tel=
eported their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on three successiv=
e nights, leaving him with a heater/defroster design of which he understood=
 nothing  but felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new Magnette.  In t=
he meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits returned to their home-plan=
et where they were properly rebuked for their poor navigational skills - ha=
ving landed in Roswell instead of Stonehenge where they had previously land=
ed and built this circular stone marker to guide them back*.

*Although other archeologists have alternatively explained the artifact at =
Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, "monumentally" inefficient s=
quirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of that unit replicated in the Z =
Magnette.

What else could possibly explain this design? No ordinary human being could=
 possibly have designed this.  After all, John Twist himself has exclaimed =
that he never understood it. (Really!!)  We have here a design clearly eman=
ating from beyond the human realm...  Of course anybody, regardless of inte=
llectual advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya expect from three guys wh=
o couldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think I replaced=
 my entire Magnette heater with a modern one?

Allen

this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but when Fearless Leader All=
en and I were in the UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we were treated to=
 an explanation by someone, who obviously and actually did understand the t=
hing (meaning the entire air/heater/circulation/defroster system).  I can t=
ell you that (NOT speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an i=
ntense 20 minutes long, and had to do with things like "when this is open, =
then air is circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ val=
ve being open, while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed to th=
e defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&.  This went on for, honest to god, 20=
 minutes.  I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&*.  I've done a couple of =
B's, and there seems to be no relationship there whatsoever.  I actually un=
derstand what happens, I think, in a B.

#2SteveK
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Allen Bachelder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one=
 on the heater functions and controls, and one on the inner workings of the=
 Manumatic, which was considerably easier to understand. &nbsp;(Not to say =
that it WAS understood!) &nbsp;There was one freak
 moment during my restoration when a flash of intellectual light struck me =
and lo, for that single moment, I fully understood the workings of the cowl=
-vent lever. &nbsp;This flash of brilliance was so full it struck me to the=
 floor, totally exhausted. To retain
 that vast battery of comprehension, while simultaneously grasping the mela=
nge of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to effect all possible p=
ermutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh or recirculated, air, b=
lown or drawn, through floor vents,
 or defroster vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside =
the car whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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rrestials from a much more advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico in =
the early '50s, and teleported their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Pa=
lmer on three successive nights, leaving
 him with a heater/defroster design of which he understood nothing &nbsp;bu=
t felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new Magnette. &nbsp;In the mean=
time, the three extra-terrestial spirits returned to their home-planet wher=
e they were properly rebuked for their poor
 navigational skills - having landed in Roswell instead of Stonehenge where=
 they had previously landed and built this circular stone marker to guide t=
hem back*.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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e have here a design clearly emanating from
 beyond the human realm... &nbsp;Of course anybody, regardless of intellect=
ual advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya expect from three guys who cou=
ldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think I replaced my e=
ntire Magnette heater with a modern one?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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lvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">this will be of absolutely no help wh=
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he Magnette's 60th, we were treated to an explanation by
 someone, who obviously and actually did understand the thing (meaning the =
entire air/heater/circulation/defroster system).&nbsp; I can tell you that =
(NOT speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an intense 20 min=
utes long, and had to do with&nbsp;things
 like &quot;when this is open, then air is circulating from here to there, =
which necessitates the #$%^ valve being open, while simulatanousely the exc=
ess air is being directed to the defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&amp;.&n=
bsp; This went on for, honest to god, 20 minutes.&nbsp;
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's, and there seems to be no relationship there whatsoever.&nbsp; I actuall=
y understand what happens, I think, in a B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">'List
 for the Z Magnette Group - North America'</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Wednesday,
 December 18, 2013 1:34 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Re:
 [Zmagnette] Heater control connections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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an class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On
 Behalf Of<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Rodger Sha=
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ecember 18, 2013 10:35 AM<br>
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ans-serif&quot;;color:black">I am almost ready to connect the heater contro=
ls from the dash to the valve.&nbsp; The slide control&nbsp;for temperature=
 does two things, it opens the valve to allow hot water to flow and
 it controls an inner flap.&nbsp; How should the valve and the inner flap b=
e set when I reinstall the cable?&nbsp; Maybe it will be obvious when I get=
 into the car but not much is obvious to me when I am scrunched up.&nbsp; I=
 didn't do this step on my prior Magnette re-do
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You got that right, Ed...

Allen

On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Ed Sass wrote:

> Allen,
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> Ed Sass
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> Edward Sass
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LABORATORIES
> We encourage you to provide feedback to help us improve our services. =
you.
> From: [email-masked] =
[mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
>  We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater =
functions and controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, =
which was considerably easier to understand.  (Not to say that it WAS =
understood!)  There was one freak moment during my restoration when a =
flash of intellectual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, I =
fully understood the workings of the cowl-vent lever.  This flash of =
brilliance was so full it struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. To =
retain that vast battery of comprehension, while simultaneously grasping =
the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to effect all =
possible permutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh or =
recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or defroster =
vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car =
whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. =20
> =20
> *Although other archeologists have alternatively explained the =
artifact at Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, =
"monumentally" inefficient squirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On =
Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Allen =
Bachelder<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, December 18, =
2013 10:24 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Zmagnette] Heater =
control connections<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Yes, Steve is =
right...<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">&nbsp;We heard two =
incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions and controls, =
and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was considerably =
easier to understand. &nbsp;(Not to say that it WAS understood!) =
&nbsp;There was one freak moment during my restoration when a flash of =
intellectual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully =
understood the workings of the cowl-vent lever. &nbsp;This flash of =
brilliance was so full it struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. To =
retain that vast battery of comprehension, while simultaneously grasping =
the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to effect all =
possible permutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh or =
recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or defroster =
vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car =
whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">There is little doubt in =
my mind that three extra-terrestials from a much more advanced planet =
landed in Roswell New Mexico in the early '50s, and teleported their =
spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on three successive nights, =
leaving him with a heater/defroster design of which he understood =
nothing &nbsp;but felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new =
Magnette. &nbsp;In the meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits =
returned to their home-planet where they were properly rebuked for their =
poor navigational skills - having landed in Roswell instead of =
Stonehenge where they had previously landed and built this circular =
stone marker to guide them back*.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">*Although other archeologists have alternatively =
explained the artifact at Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, =
"monumentally" inefficient squirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of =
that unit replicated in the Z Magnette.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">What else could possibly explain this design? No =
ordinary human being could possibly have designed this. &nbsp;After all, =
John Twist himself has exclaimed that he never understood it. (Really!!) =
&nbsp;We have here a design clearly emanating from beyond the human =
realm... &nbsp;Of course anybody, regardless of intellectual =
advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya expect from three guys who =
couldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think I =
replaced my entire Magnette heater with a modern =
one?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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">Allen&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div><div =
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Roman', serif; "><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><b><i><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
black; =
">****************************************************************</span><=
/i></b></span><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size: =
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"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><=
div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div =
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Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">Allen &amp; Florrie Bachelder =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =3Diii=3D&lt;<br>Spring Creek Home for Wayward =
MGs</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
black; ">'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT</span></i></b><span =
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black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
black; ">North Street, MI 48049, USA</span></i></b><span =
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black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div =
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Roman', serif; "><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><b><i><span =
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black; "><a href=3D"http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs</a></span></i></b></span><sp=
an class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><=
div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div =
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margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
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">****************************************************************</span><=
/span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Kirby =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">this will be of absolutely =
no help whatsoever, but when Fearless Leader Allen and I were in the UK =
celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we were treated to an explanation by =
someone, who obviously and actually did understand the thing (meaning =
the entire air/heater/circulation/defroster system).&nbsp; I can tell =
you that (NOT speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an =
intense 20 minutes long, and had to do with&nbsp;things like "when this =
is open, then air is circulating from here to there, which necessitates =
the #$%^ valve being open, while simulatanousely the excess air is being =
directed to the defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&amp;.&nbsp; This went =
on for, honest to god, 20 minutes.&nbsp; I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd =
@#$%^&amp;*.&nbsp; I've done a couple of B's, and there seems to be no =
relationship there whatsoever.&nbsp; I actually understand what happens, =
I think, in a B.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; ">But thanks Kelvin . . . I get this =
part!<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; =
">#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote =
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0in; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">----- Original Message =
-----<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-image: initial; =
background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; =
background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); =
"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">From:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; "><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline; ">Kelvin Dodd</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; ">To:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; "><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">'List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America'</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">Sent:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:34 =
PM<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">Subject:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control =
connections<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Lets see if this =
works.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; =
">From:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; =
">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">[email-masked]</a><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Rodger =
Shaver<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, December 18, =
2013 10:35 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
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">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Zmagnette] Heater control =
connections</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-family:=
 Arial, sans-serif; color: black; ">I am almost ready to connect the =
heater controls from the dash to the valve.&nbsp; The slide =
control&nbsp;for temperature does two things, it opens the valve to =
allow hot water to flow and it controls an inner flap.&nbsp; How should =
the valve and the inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable?&nbsp; =
Maybe it will be obvious when I get into the car but not much is obvious =
to me when I am scrunched up.&nbsp; I didn't do this step on my prior =
Magnette re-do because I don't have a proper valve for =
it.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div =
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