Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB <[email-masked]> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>

From: David Halliday <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:09:52 +1100

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I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford type 9
gearbox.  It is a great conversion.  It fits easily, with very little in
the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.

I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday.  I really miss that 5th
gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!

Kind regards,

David

On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy <[email-masked]>wro=
te:

>   Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with a
> 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a couple
> stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side locate=
d
> tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw clear
> through and check the level through the side from the inside of the cockp=
it
> but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where th=
e
> old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box,
> 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear
> for freeway use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear a=
s
> I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm=
;
> and 1st syncro is sure nice too. Very nice kit.
>
> Wombat
>
>  *From:* Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<[email-masked].=
net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>
> Mike and Charles,
>
> Yeah,  I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a challenge
> on Lombard Hill!  I guess my consideration of rear gears presumed the 180=
0
> was already in the picture.
>
> I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can see
> I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all -
> there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.  Also not=
e
> that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.  It clears the
> tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was
> Rivergate's choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the
> extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the
> six-cylinder engine.  They do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-spee=
d
> to "A block" engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt
> well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on occasion and have
> dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a Rivergate/210 five-speed, a
> Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front.  The trick is to FiND a 2=
10
> 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up also.  BTW,
> there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen.  We may have another option
> before long.  Hopefully somebody who knows more than I will speak to this=
.
>
> I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more
> trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little
> return for your money and effort.  It would be nice to capitalize on that
> free one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most
> worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync
> non-od transmission.  If you advertised to MGB guys that you were current=
ly
> accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by
> morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some
> sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.  I gave away
> four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that
> I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and
> everything that's in the bank.
>
> Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty
> easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the M=
GB
> 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2"
> rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would
> require about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if
> anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box.  After all, a Triumph has to
> be good for something...  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Allen
>   ******************************************************************
>
> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Wayward =
MGs*
> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
>
> ******************************************************************
>
>  On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:
>
>  Allen,
>
> Thanks for the response.  I'm not intending on using a MGB OD transmissio=
n
> just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.  My concern was with the
> location of the shifter.  I'm thinking that with a little fabrication I c=
an
> relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote control.  I might
> even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.  I'll compare the 2 when =
I
> get it out sometime in the future.
>
> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed
> from a wrecked MGB.  It's FREE.  I looked it over and it looks like the
> sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.  It looks
> like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.  I would use =
it
> if I can work out relocating the shift lever.
>
> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider usin=
g
> the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.  I could keep t=
he
> 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb engine.
>
> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsun
> 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.
>
> Charlie Durning
>
> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>w=
rote:
>
>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z
>> five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it on t=
wo
>> different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit o=
f
>> fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit in questio=
n
>> is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from
>> either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built
>> version for the Magnette.
>>
>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty dar=
n
>> easy.  The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.  Bear i=
n
>> mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission with a
>> kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much material
>> was removed from the back of the shifter opening.  In fact, this is more
>> than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it.  I chos=
e
>> not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse
>> the conversion.  In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by usin=
g a
>> Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I woul=
d
>> have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that
>> the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front
>> U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of cours=
e
>> has it's own front yoke and transmission spline.
>>
>> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.   I did
>> rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its
>> new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
>>
>> One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission choice,
>> first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3,=
 a
>> 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy two-hour job. You
>> might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the
>> higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in whil=
e
>> visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while we
>> never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates), t=
hey
>> seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, I started wondering why=
 I
>> had gone to all this effort.  But then I get on the I-69 here in Michiga=
n
>> with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, alon=
g
>> with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.
>>
>> FWIW,
>> Allen
>>   ******************************************************************
>>
>> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Wayward=
 MGs*
>> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
>> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
>> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
>>
>> ******************************************************************
>>
>>  On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:
>>
>>  As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my
>> ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so mu=
ch
>> easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost no
>> modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to bui=
ld
>> a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo ge=
ar
>> box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a
>> clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do n=
ot
>> remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.
>> --
>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> Steve Kirby <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to
>>> offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many,
>>> mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee super=
b
>>> header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late B
>>> synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things he h=
ad
>>> to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much
>>> higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded him=
 a
>>> bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
>>>
>>> #2SteveK
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* [email-masked]
>>> *To:* [email-masked]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>>
>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compare a
>>> 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is noticeably
>>> different.  I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of wo=
rk
>>> with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still a t=
ight
>>> fit.  I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>>
>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and
>>> probably cheaper.
>>>
>>> Lann
>>>
>>>  In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>>> [email-masked] writes:
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would
>>> still be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking about
>>> eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening=
 on
>>> the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the car=
 and
>>> do some measuring to see if that would be close.
>>>
>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct
>>> shifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie Durning
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
>>>>
>>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB
>>>> engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
>>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit,
>>>> and a new tunnel.
>>>>
>>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for
>>>> a 3-synchro box might not be great.
>>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> --
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>> Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits
>>>>> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the transmission
>>>>> tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
>>>>> synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you
>>>>> might as well go five-speed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with=
 the Ford type 9 gearbox.=A0 It is a great conversion.=A0 It fits easily, w=
ith very little in the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.<br><d=
iv>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just drov=
e my original and standard ZB yesterday.=A0 I really miss that 5th gear and=
 syncro on 1st and 2nd!<br clear=3D"all"></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">

<br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div>
</div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne &amp; I=
sabel Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">

<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word" dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&#39;Calibri&#39;">
<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have=
=20
experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, require=
s=20
only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the=
 side=20
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw =
clear=20
through and check the level through the side from the inside of the cockpit=
 but=20
don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where the old =
one=20
did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is di=
rect=20
drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway=20
use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It ge=
ts=20
about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro =
is=20
sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:bachldrs=
@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div><div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:zmagne=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">List for the Z Magnette Group - North=
=20
America</a> </div>
</div><div><div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in=
 ZB</div></div></div></div></div>
<div>=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><div><div>Mike=
=20
and Charles,=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Yeah,=A0 I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a=20
challenge on Lombard Hill!=A0 I guess my consideration of rear gears presum=
ed=20
the 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can se=
e=20
I&#39;ve moved the handbrake back about 1.5&quot;. This is not difficult at=
 all - there&#39;s=20
plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.=A0 Also note that I=
=20
tilted the lever up a bit on it&#39;s front bracket.=A0 It clears the tower=
=20
nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate&=
#39;s=20
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme durabi=
lity=20
of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder engine.=A0 They=
=20
do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to &quot;A block&quot; engi=
nes. Designed=20
for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my e=
ye=20
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, =
a=20
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up=20
front.=A0 The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z=
=20
5-speeds are drying up also.=A0 BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 bu=
ll=20
pen.=A0 We may have another option before long.=A0 Hopefully somebody who=
=20
knows more than I will speak to this.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be mor=
e=20
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little retu=
rn=20
for your money and effort.=A0 It would be nice to capitalize on that free o=
ne=20
you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most worthless p=
art=20
on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od=20
transmission.=A0 If you advertised to MGB guys that you were currently=20
accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by morning=
.=20
Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as the=
=20
internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.=A0 I gave away four of them=
=20
about two years ago. I have one &quot;spare&quot; 4-sync od box that I&#39;=
ll will to one of=20
my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that&#39;s=
 in the=20
bank. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty=
=20
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it&#39;s shifter up right in the=
 MGB=20
4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2&qu=
ot;=20
rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would req=
uire=20
about the same. I&#39;m pretty sure it would be doable. &#39; Wonder if any=
body&#39;s tried=20
this with a Triumph TR6 box.=A0 After all, a Triumph has to be good for=20
something...=A0 ;-)=A0 ;-)=A0 ;-) </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
  <div>Allen,</div>
  <div>=A0</div>
  <div>Thanks for the response.=A0 I&#39;m not intending on using a MGB OD=
=20
  transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.=A0 My conce=
rn=20
  was with the location of the shifter.=A0 I&#39;m thinking that with a lit=
tle=20
  fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote=
=20
  control.=A0 I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.=A0=20
  I&#39;ll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>
  <div>=A0</div>
  <div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he remov=
ed=20
  from a wrecked MGB.=A0 It&#39;s FREE.=A0 I looked it over and it looks li=
ke=20
  the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.=A0 It=
=20
  looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.=A0 I=20
  would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </div>
  <div>=A0</div>
  <div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that&#39;s why I would cons=
ider=20
  using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.=A0 I coul=
d=20
  keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb=20
  engine.=A0 </div>
  <div>=A0</div>
  <div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Dat=
sun=20
  200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br clear=3D"all=
"></div>
  <div>
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  <div>=A0</div>
  <div>Charlie Durning</div>
  <div>=A0</div>
  <div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20
  watching.</font></div>
  <div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachel=
der <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
    <div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way =
to do=20
    this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a &quot;Z&quot; in it!)=
 and a=20
    Rivergate kit.=A0 I&#39;ve done it on two different Magnettes.=A0 The k=
it=20
    is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but=
 it=20
    isn&#39;t rocket science.=A0 The bit in question is the transmission mo=
unt.=20
    The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Wood=
son=20
    and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
    <div>=A0</div>
    <div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pret=
ty=20
    darn easy.=A0 The pictures show the only modifications done to the=20
    car.=A0 Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun=20
    transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture sh=
ows=20
    how much material was removed from the back of the shifter opening.=A0 =
In=20
    fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I de=
alt=20
    with it.=A0 I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future=
=20
    owner wants to reverse the conversion.=A0 In this sense, in answer to=
=20
    frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually preser=
ved=20
    more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another=20
    advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still f=
its -=20
    requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit th=
e=20
    Datsun U-joint which of course has it&#39;s own front yoke and transmis=
sion=20
    spline.=A0 </div>
    <div>=A0</div>
    <div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever=20
    boot.=A0=A0 I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a=20
    body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn&#39;t use a tower at a=
ll.</div>
    <div>=A0</div>
    <div>One more thought.=A0 If you&#39;re undecided about the transmissio=
n=20
    choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set wi=
th a=20
    4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.=A0 This is an easy two-hour=
=20
    job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you&#39;re hap=
py with=20
    the higher-geared rear end. It&#39;s interesting that the two ZAs I rod=
e in=20
    while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and w=
hile=20
    we never went on the &quot;M roads&quot; with them (equivalent to our i=
nterstates),=20
    they seemed remarkably unstressed.=A0 For awhile there, I started=20
    wondering why I had gone to all this effort.=A0 But then I get on the=
=20
    I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I&#39;m sure happ=
y to have=20
    my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.</div>
    <div>=A0</div>
    <div>FWIW,</div>
    <div>Allen</div>
    <div>
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    <div>=A0</div>
    <div>
    <div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;FONT-VAR=
IANT:normal;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separate;TE=
XT-TRANSFORM:none;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;LETTER-SPACING:norma=
l;LINE-HEIGHT:normal;TEXT-INDENT:0px">
      <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K state=
s I=20
      installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not e=
ven=20
      consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. T=
he=20
      come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to =
the=20
      car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmis=
sion=20
      mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable.=
 Then=20
      deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic=
=20
      line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember ex=
actly=20
      what. I think that covers it all.<br>--<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"=
>=A0</span><br>Sent from my Android phone=20
      with<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10=
pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/" target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span>Mail. Please excuse my=20
      brevity.<br><br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby &lt;<a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;=20
      wrote:=20
      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0p=
t 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3">It is=20
        not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offe=
r up=20
        this answer, but I will anyway!=A0 One of my first, of many, mentor=
s,=20
        in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb hea=
der=20
        set up many of us have purchased.=A0 Steve did put a full late B=20
        synchro in his.=A0 I do remember Steve describing the various thing=
s=20
        he had to do.=A0 Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay=
=20
        grade is much higher than mine.=A0 Perhaps Steve will answer, now=
=20
        that I&#39;ve prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him=20
        directly.</font></div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3"></font>=A0</div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3">#2SteveK</font></div>
        <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:r=
gb(0,0,0) 2px solid;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228)">=
<b>From:</b><span>=A0</span><a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:LannM=
@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span>=A0</span><a title=
=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>=A0</span>Tuesda=
y,=20
          November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>=A0</span>Re:=
=20
          [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div><font color=3D"#000000" fa=
ce=3D"Arial">
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync =
is=20
          wider than the 3 sync.=A0 Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.=A0=
=20
          The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.=A0 I&#39;ve put =
a 4=20
          sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hamme=
r to=20
          move sheet metal around.=A0 Even then, its still a tight fit.=A0=
=20
          I can&#39;t imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5=
 speed=20
          would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
          <div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19=
:44=20
          A.M. Central Standard Time,<span>=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:durn=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span>=
=A0</span>writes:</div>
          <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT=
:blue 2px solid"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#000=
000" face=3D"Arial">
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn&#39;t think that even modi=
fying the=20
            remote would work.=A0 It would still be too far back, not to=20
            mention the height.=A0 I was thinking about eleminating the=20
            remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the =
trans=20
            where the remote attaches.=A0 I still have to get under the car=
=20
            and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car =
used=20
            the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.=A0 That would keep m=
e=20
            from having to make something.</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
            <div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div></div></div>
            <div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">On Tue, Nov=
 26, 2013=20
            at 1:58 AM,<span>=A0</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a title=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span>=A0</span>wrote:<b=
r>
            <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MAR=
GIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><br><a title=
=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href=3D"=
http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>O=
xford.html</a><br>

<br>On=20
              the above page are some photos and a description of fitting a=
n MGB=20
              engine and 4-synchro+overdrive &#39;box to a 1960&#39;s Farin=
a=20
              Oxford.<br>It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlev=
er=20
              extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<br><br>I&#39;d agree that=
 the=20
              benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a 3-synch=
ro=20
              box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the=20
              non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?=20
              :-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span>=A0</span><br>Robert=20
              <div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;M=
ARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Charlie,<br=
>Even=20
                without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync=20
                sits<br>high and your going to have to substantially reshap=
e the=20
                transmission<br>tunnel to make it fit. That&#39;s a ferocio=
us price=20
                to pay for a<br>synchronized first gear. If you&#39;re goin=
g to that=20
                much trouble, you<br>might as well go=20
              five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font><=
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Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave Liveley? giving directions for a=
 DIY 5 speed conversion.  If anyone is interested I will try to find the not=
es.  His directions were rather complete.  Strange that no transmission made=
 in this century can be utilized. Arch

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On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford type 9=
 gearbox.  It is a great conversion.  It fits easily, with very little in th=
e way of mods and looks stock from the interior.
>=20
> I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday.  I really miss that 5t=
h gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!
>=20
> Kind regards,
>=20
> David
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
> Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with a 210=
 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a couple stout s=
macks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side located tranny o=
il check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw clear through and=
 check the level through the side from the inside of the cockpit but don=E2=80=
=99t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where the old one d=
id, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is dire=
ct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway u=
se...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It gets=
 about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro i=
s sure nice too. Very nice kit.
> =20
> Wombat
> =20
> From: Allen Bachelder
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
> =20
> Mike and Charles,
> =20
> Yeah,  I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a challenge o=
n Lombard Hill!  I guess my consideration of rear gears presumed the 1800 wa=
s already in the picture.
> =20
> I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can see I'=
ve moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - there=
's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.  Also note that I=
 tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.  It clears the tower nicel=
y. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate's choi=
ce and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme durability o=
f the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder engine.  They do h=
ave kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed f=
or Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye=
 out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a=
 Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front.=
  The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds=
 are drying up also.  BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen.  We=
 may have another option before long.  Hopefully somebody who knows more tha=
n I will speak to this.
> =20
> I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more tr=
ouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little return f=
or your money and effort.  It would be nice to capitalize on that free one y=
ou have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most worthless par=
t on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od transmis=
sion.  If you advertised to MGB guys that you were currently accepting 4-syn=
c non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by morning. Keeping one or=
 two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as the internals can b=
e used in rebuilding od boxes.  I gave away four of them about two years ago=
. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to one of  my kids someday=
. The other kid will get the house and everything that's in the bank.
> =20
> Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty easi=
ly - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the MGB 4-sy=
nc opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2" rearwa=
rd expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would require ab=
out the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if anybody's trie=
d this with a Triumph TR6 box.  After all, a Triumph has to be good for some=
thing...  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)
> =20
> Cheers,
> Allen
> ****************************************************************
> Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> ****************************************************************
> =20
n just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.  My concern was with the l=
ocation of the shifter.  I'm thinking that with a little fabrication I can r=
elocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote    control.  I might e=
ven be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.  I'll compare the 2 when I ge=
t it out sometime in the future.
>> =20
>> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed fr=
om a wrecked MGB.  It's FREE.  I looked it over and it looks like the sfift l=
ever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.  It looks like a maj=
or job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.  I would use it if I can w=
ork out relocating the shift lever.
>> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider usin=
g the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.  I could keep th=
e 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb engine.=20
>> =20
>> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsun 2=
00SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.=20
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z fiv=
e-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it on two diff=
erent Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabric=
ation necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit in question is the t=
ransmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss=
 or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the M=
agnette.
>> =20
>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty darn=
 easy.  The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.  Bear in m=
ind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission with a kit h=
omemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much material was remo=
ved from the back of the shifter opening.  In fact, this is more than necess=
ary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it.  I chose not to weld t=
he new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion. =
 In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmi=
ssion, I actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG tr=
ansmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette driv=
e shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed sl=
ightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and=
 transmission spline.=20
>> =20
>> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.   I did rewo=
rk the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its new loc=
ation. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
>> =20
>> One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission choice, fir=
st try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, a 4.1 (=
if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy two-hour job. You might fin=
d that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the higher-geared r=
ear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in while visiting the UK w=
ere both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while we never went on the "M=
 roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates), they seemed remarkably un=
stressed.  For awhile there, I started wondering why I had gone to all this e=
ffort.  But then I get on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed li=
mit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25=
 mph per 1,000 rpm.
>> =20
>> FWIW,
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> ****************************************************************
>> =20
>>> As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my Z=
A. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much ea=
sier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost no modifica=
tions to the car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear tr=
ansmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and ca=
ble. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydrau=
lic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exact=
ly what. I think that covers it all.
>>> --=20
>>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.=

>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to off=
er up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many, mentors, in=
 the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up m=
any of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late B synchro in his.  I do=
 remember Steve describing the various things he had to do.  Steve is a pers=
on of immense talents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine.  Perhaps S=
teve will answer, now that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact hi=
m directly.
>>> From: [email-masked]
>>> To: [email-masked]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>> =20
>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compare a 3=
 sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.  I=
've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hamm=
er to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still a tight fit.  I can't i=
magine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>> =20
>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and p=
robably cheaper.
>>> =20
>>> Lann
>>> =20
>>> In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, durni=
[email-masked] writes:
>>> Robert,
>>> =20
>>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would stil=
l be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking about eleminat=
ing the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans=
 where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the car and do some m=
easuring to see if that would be close.
>>> =20
>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct s=
hifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.
>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB en=
gine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, a=
nd a new tunnel.
>>>=20
>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a=
 3-synchro box might not be great.
>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :=
-)
>>> --=20
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Somewhere around here I ha=
ve notes from Dave Liveley? giving directions for a DIY 5 speed conversion. &=
nbsp;If anyone is interested I will try to find the notes. &nbsp;His directi=
ons were rather complete. &nbsp;Strange that no transmission made in this ce=
ntury can be utilized. Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 1,=
 2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear c=
onversion with the Ford type 9 gearbox.&nbsp; It is a great conversion.&nbsp=
; It fits easily, with very little in the way of mods and looks stock from t=
he interior.<br><div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just drove=
 my original and standard ZB yesterday.&nbsp; I really miss that 5th gear an=
d syncro on 1st and 2nd!<br clear=3D"all"></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">

<br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div>
</div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne &amp; Is=
abel Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
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;padding-left:1ex">

<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word" dir=3D"ltr">
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<div style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri'">
<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have=20=

experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires=
=20
only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the s=
ide=20
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw c=
lear=20
through and check the level through the side from the inside of the cockpit b=
ut=20
don=E2=80=99t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where the=
 old one=20
did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is dir=
ect=20
drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway=20
use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It get=
s=20
about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro i=
s=20
sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
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quot;Calibri&quot;;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal">
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@=
comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div><div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:zmagnet=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">List for the Z Magnette Group - North=20=

America</a> </div>
</div><div><div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in Z=
B</div></div></div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><div><div>Mike=20=

and Charles,=20
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Yeah,&nbsp; I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a=20=

challenge on Lombard Hill!&nbsp; I guess my consideration of rear gears pres=
umed=20
the 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can see=
=20
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - the=
re's=20
plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.&nbsp; Also note that=
 I=20
tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.&nbsp; It clears the tower=20=

nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate's=
=20
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme durabil=
ity=20
of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder engine.&nbsp; Th=
ey=20
do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. Design=
ed=20
for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my ey=
e=20
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a=
=20
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up=20
front.&nbsp; The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 28=
0Z=20
5-speeds are drying up also.&nbsp; BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 b=
ull=20
pen.&nbsp; We may have another option before long.&nbsp; Hopefully somebody w=
ho=20
knows more than I will speak to this.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more=
=20
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little retur=
n=20
for your money and effort.&nbsp; It would be nice to capitalize on that free=
 one=20
you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most worthless pa=
rt=20
on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od=20
transmission.&nbsp; If you advertised to MGB guys that you were currently=20=

accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by morning.=
=20
Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as the=20=

internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.&nbsp; I gave away four of them=
=20
about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to one o=
f=20
my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's in t=
he=20
bank. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty=20=

easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the MGB=20=

4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2"=20=

rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would requ=
ire=20
about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if anybody's tr=
ied=20
this with a Triumph TR6 box.&nbsp; After all, a Triumph has to be good for=20=

something...&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; ;-) </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
  <div>Allen,</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Thanks for the response.&nbsp; I'm not intending on using a MGB OD=20=

  transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.&nbsp; My con=
cern=20
  was with the location of the shifter.&nbsp; I'm thinking that with a littl=
e=20
  fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote=20=

  control.&nbsp; I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.&nbs=
p;=20
  I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he remove=
d=20
  from a wrecked MGB.&nbsp; It's FREE.&nbsp; I looked it over and it looks l=
ike=20
  the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.&nbsp; I=
t=20
  looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.&nbsp; I=20=

  would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider=20=

  using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.&nbsp; I co=
uld=20
  keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb=20
  engine.&nbsp; </div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Dats=
un=20
  200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br clear=3D"all"=
></div>
  <div>
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  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Charlie Durning</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20
  watching.</font></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div></div></div><br><br>
  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bacheld=
er <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
    <div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way t=
o do=20
    this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a=20
    Rivergate kit.&nbsp; I've done it on two different Magnettes.&nbsp; The k=
it=20
    is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but i=
t=20
    isn't rocket science.&nbsp; The bit in question is the transmission moun=
t.=20
    The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Woods=
on=20
    and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is prett=
y=20
    darn easy.&nbsp; The pictures show the only modifications done to the=20=

    car.&nbsp; Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun=20=

    transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture sho=
ws=20
    how much material was removed from the back of the shifter opening.&nbsp=
; In=20
    fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dea=
lt=20
    with it.&nbsp; I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future=
=20
    owner wants to reverse the conversion.&nbsp; In this sense, in answer to=
=20
    frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually preserv=
ed=20
    more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another=20
    advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still fi=
ts -=20
    requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the=
=20
    Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and transmission=20=

    spline.&nbsp; </div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever=20
    boot.&nbsp;&nbsp; I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a=
=20
    body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.</=
div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>One more thought.&nbsp; If you're undecided about the transmission=20=

    choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set wit=
h a=20
    4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.&nbsp; This is an easy two-ho=
ur=20
    job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy wi=
th=20
    the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in=20=

    while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and wh=
ile=20
    we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates)=
,=20
    they seemed remarkably unstressed.&nbsp; For awhile there, I started=20
    wondering why I had gone to all this effort.&nbsp; But then I get on the=
=20
    I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to h=
ave=20
    my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.</div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>FWIW,</div>
    <div>Allen</div>
    <div>
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    <div>
    <div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;FONT-VARI=
ANT:normal;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separate;TEXT=
-TRANSFORM:none;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;LETTER-SPACING:normal;L=
INE-HEIGHT:normal;TEXT-INDENT:0px">
      <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K states=
 I=20
      installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not ev=
en=20
      consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. Th=
e=20
      come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to t=
he=20
      car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmiss=
ion=20
      mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. T=
hen=20
      deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic=20=

      line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exa=
ctly=20
      what. I think that covers it all.<br>--<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=
&nbsp;</span><br>Sent from my Android phone=20
      with<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span><a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
10pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/" target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span style=3D=
"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span>Mail. Please excuse my=20
      brevity.<br><br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby &lt;<a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;=20
      wrote:=20
      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0pt=
 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">It is=20
        not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offer=
 up=20
        this answer, but I will anyway!&nbsp; One of my first, of many, ment=
ors,=20
        in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb head=
er=20
        set up many of us have purchased.&nbsp; Steve did put a full late B=20=

        synchro in his.&nbsp; I do remember Steve describing the various thi=
ngs=20
        he had to do.&nbsp; Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay=
=20
        grade is much higher than mine.&nbsp; Perhaps Steve will answer, now=
=20
        that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him=20
        directly.</font></div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3"></font>&nbsp;</div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">#2SteveK</font></div>
        <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:rg=
b(0,0,0) 2px solid;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228)"><=
b>From:</b><span>&nbsp;</span><a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:Lann=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span>&nbsp;</span><a tit=
le=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Tues=
day,=20
          November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>R=
e:=20
          [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div><font color=3D"#000000" f=
ace=3D"Arial">
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync i=
s=20
          wider than the 3 sync.&nbsp; Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.&n=
bsp;=20
          The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.&nbsp; I've put a 4=
=20
          sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer=
 to=20
          move sheet metal around.&nbsp; Even then, its still a tight fit.&n=
bsp;=20
          I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 s=
peed=20
          would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
          <div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:=
44=20
          A.M. Central Standard Time,<span>&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:du=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span>=
&nbsp;</span>writes:</div>
          <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:=
blue 2px solid"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#00000=
0" face=3D"Arial">
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn't think that even modifying=
 the=20
            remote would work.&nbsp; It would still be too far back, not to=20=

            mention the height.&nbsp; I was thinking about eleminating the=20=

            remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the t=
rans=20
            where the remote attaches.&nbsp; I still have to get under the c=
ar=20
            and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car u=
sed=20
            the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.&nbsp; That would keep=
 me=20
            from having to make something.</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
            <div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div></div></div>
            <div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">On Tue, Nov 2=
6, 2013=20
            at 1:58 AM,<span>&nbsp;</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a title=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span>&nbsp;</span>wrote=
:<br>
            <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARG=
IN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><br><a title=3D=
"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href=3D"http=
://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>Oxford.=
html</a><br>

<br>On=20
              the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an=
 MGB=20
              engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina=20
              Oxford.<br>It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearleve=
r=20
              extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<br><br>I'd agree that the=20=

              benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a 3-synchr=
o=20
              box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the=20
              non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?=20
              :-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span>&nbsp;</span><br>Robert=20
              <div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MA=
RGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Charlie,<br>E=
ven=20
                without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync=20
                sits<br>high and your going to have to substantially reshape=
 the=20
                transmission<br>tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious pr=
ice=20
                to pay for a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're going to t=
hat=20
                much trouble, you<br>might as well go=20
              five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></=
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Arch,

Those notes may be really useful for the Magnette Technical website.  Are
you happy to liaise with Stephen Tickell on this?

Kind regards,

David

On 2 December 2013 12:42, Arch Boston <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave Liveley? giving directions
> for a DIY 5 speed conversion.  If anyone is interested I will try to find
> the notes.  His directions were rather complete.  Strange that no
> transmission made in this century can be utilized. Arch
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford type =
9
> I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday.  I really miss that
> 5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David
>
>
>
> On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy <[email-masked]>w=
rote:
>> stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side locat=
ed
>> through and check the level through the side from the inside of the cock=
pit
>> but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where t=
he
>> old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box=
,
>> 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gea=
r
>> for freeway use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear =
as
>> I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rp=
m;
>> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<[email-masked]=
.net>
>> Yeah,  I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a challeng=
e
>> on Lombard Hill!  I guess my consideration of rear gears presumed the 18=
00
>> there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.  Also no=
te
>> six-cylinder engine.  They do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-spe=
ed
>> Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front.  The trick is to FiND a =
210
>> 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up also.  BTW=
,
>> there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen.  We may have another optio=
n
>> before long.  Hopefully somebody who knows more than I will speak to thi=
s.
>> return for your money and effort.  It would be nice to capitalize on tha=
t
>> worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3syn=
c
>> non-od transmission.  If you advertised to MGB guys that you were curren=
tly
>> I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid will get the house an=
d
>> easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB
>> 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2=
"
>> anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box.  After all, a Triumph has t=
o
 MGs*
>> Thanks for the response.  I'm not intending on using a MGB OD
>> transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.  My concer=
n
>> was with the location of the shifter.  I'm thinking that with a little
>> fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote
>> control.  I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.  I'll
>> compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.
>>
>> like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.  I would use=
 it
>> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider
>> using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.  I could
>> keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb
>> engine.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>=
wrote:
>>> five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it on =
two
>>> different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit =
of
>>> fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit in questi=
on
>>> is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available fro=
m
>>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty
>>> darn easy.  The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.  =
Bear
>>> in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission wi=
th a
>>> kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much materia=
l
>>> was removed from the back of the shifter opening.  In fact, this is mor=
e
>>> than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it.  I cho=
se
>>> not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to revers=
e
>>> the conversion.  In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by usi=
ng a
>>> Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I wou=
ld
>>> have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is tha=
t
>>> U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of cour=
se
>>> rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit it=
s
>>> first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3=
, a
>>> higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in whi=
le
>>> visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while w=
e
>>> never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates), =
they
>>> seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, I started wondering wh=
y I
>>> had gone to all this effort.  But then I get on the I-69 here in Michig=
an
>>> with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, alo=
ng
>>> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Waywar=
d MGs*
>>>  As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in
>>> my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are s=
o
>>> much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost=
 no
>>> modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to bu=
ild
>>> a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo g=
ear
>>> box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making =
a
>>> clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do =
not
>>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity=
.
>>>> mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee supe=
rb
>>>> synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things he =
had
>>>> higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded hi=
m a
>>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compare =
a
>>>> different.  I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of w=
ork
>>>> with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still a =
tight
>>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, an=
d
>>>> still be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking abou=
t
>>>> eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the openin=
g on
>>>> the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the ca=
r and
>>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direc=
t
>>>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit=
,
>>>>> and a new tunnel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed fo=
r
>>>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh=
?
>>>>>> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the transmissio=
n
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/[email-masked]=
m
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Arch,<br><br></div>Those notes may be really useful f=
or the Magnette Technical website.=A0 Are you happy to liaise with Stephen =
Tickell on this?<br><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">=
<div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br><br></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 2 December 2013 12:42, Arch Boston <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">

<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave =
Liveley? giving directions for a DIY 5 speed conversion. =A0If anyone is in=
terested I will try to find the notes. =A0His directions were rather comple=
te. =A0Strange that no transmission made in this century can be utilized. A=
rch<br>

<br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Dec 1, 2013, =
at 8:09 PM, David Halliday &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">

<div><div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion=
 with the Ford type 9 gearbox.=A0 It is a great conversion.=A0 It fits easi=
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Hi Arch,

' Haven't seen that name around here for awhile.  Dave Lively was the PO =
of my car and yes, he had it converted to Datsun five-speed.  He wrote =
an article about it in the ZMG newsletter back in the early '90s - =
before we were online. There were a lot of highly detailed notes that =
came with the car.  A couple of problems here: Dave did NOT(much to his =
credit!) do this conversion himself.  It was done by a well-known =
California British mechanic whose name I will not mention.  There was a =
receipt in the paper work for a "Novus Five Points" conversion kit. But =
what came out when I split the engine and transmission could not have =
been professionally built and/or marketed. The backplate was the crudest =
piece of home-made junk I have ever seen.  Dave's records show some =
transmission problems and the entire case cracked and had to be replaced =
- twice, I believe.  I suspect this was due to a backplate that did not =
center the transmission on the crankshaft.=20

There was no drilled pilot bushing - but one that rather had been =
hand-reamed with a conical reamer. The idea must have been for the pilot =
bushing to support the nose of the transmission first-motion shaft at =
the very front edge only. But the inside reamed surface of the pilot =
bushing was very rough.  There were some rather threatening noises =
occurring when the engine idled while in neutral. The flywheel itself =
was not MG - perhaps it was Datsun.  The bolt pattern was wrong and it =
had been redrilled to fit the MG crankshaft pattern. This made for a lot =
of bolt holes on the flywheel and it was not perfectly centered (another =
cause of the case cracking?).  In the world of aesthetics, the shifter =
turret was left out. I took all this junk out, replacing it all with a =
complete Rivergate kit (and a correct turret).  In defense of these =
guys, I will offer that the Rivergate kit was probably not yet available =
back in those days. But with the same engine and transmission, now =
connected through the Rivergate kit, everything is beautiful. The one =
thing I saved from the original installation was the transmission =
crossmember - practically identical to the one Rivergate had built for =
my first Magnette. =20

FWIW,
Allen

On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Arch Boston wrote:

> Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave Liveley? giving =
directions for a DIY 5 speed conversion.  If anyone is interested I will =
try to find the notes.  His directions were rather complete.  Strange =
that no transmission made in this century can be utilized. Arch
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
> On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
>> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford =
type 9 gearbox.  It is a great conversion.  It fits easily, with very =
little in the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.
>>=20
>> I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday.  I really miss =
that 5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!
>>=20
>> Kind regards,
>>=20
>> David
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>> Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with =
a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a =
couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the =
side located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a =
hole saw clear through and check the level through the side from the =
inside of the cockpit but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out =
pretty much exactly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost =
exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and =
5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway use...especially if you =
have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It gets about 45 mpg in =
5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro is sure nice =
too. Very nice kit.
>> Yeah,  I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a =
challenge on Lombard Hill!  I guess my consideration of rear gears =
presumed the 1800 was already in the picture.
>> =20
>> I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at =
all - there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.  =
Also note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.  It =
clears the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the =
280Z was Rivergate's choice and their kit will not fit the others. They =
liked the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle =
the six-cylinder engine.  They do have kits designed to fit the 210 =
five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed  for Spridgets, I believe they =
also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on =
occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a =
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up =
front.  The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the =
280Z 5-speeds are drying up also.  BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
T5 bull pen.  We may have another option before long.  Hopefully =
somebody who knows more than I will speak to this.
>> =20
>> I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very =
little return for your money and effort.  It would be nice to capitalize =
on that free one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the =
2nd-most worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB =
being a 3sync non-od transmission.  If you advertised to MGB guys that =
you were currently accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard =
would be full by morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for =
parts makes some sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od =
boxes.  I gave away four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" =
4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid =
will get the house and everything that's in the bank.
>> =20
>> Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty =
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about =
a 2" rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter =
would require about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' =
Wonder if anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box.  After all, a =
Triumph has to be good for something...  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)
>>> Thanks for the response.  I'm not intending on using a MGB OD =
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.  My =
concern was with the location of the shifter.  I'm thinking that with a =
little fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote control.  I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there. =
 I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.
>>> =20
>>> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed from a wrecked MGB.  It's FREE.  I looked it over and it looks =
like the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.  =
It looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.  I =
would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever.
>>> =20
>>> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider =
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.  I could =
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb =
engine.=20
>>> =20
>>> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.=20
>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun =
280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it =
on two different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is =
a bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit =
in question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is =
available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson      and I understand there =
is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.
>>> =20
>>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty =
darn easy.  The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.  =
Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun =
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening.  In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture =
shows how I dealt with it.  I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in =
case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion.  In this sense, in =
answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I =
actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG =
transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old =
Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint =
yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has =
it's own front yoke and transmission spline.=20
>>> =20
>>> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.   I did =
rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its =
new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
>>> =20
>>> One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission =
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy =
two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs =
I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end =
types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to =
our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, =
I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort.  But then I get =
on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure =
happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per =
1,000 rpm.
>>>> As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago =
in my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are =
so much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require =
almost no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you =
need to build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive =
shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the =
frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the =
shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it =
all.
>>>> --=20
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.
>>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place =
to offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many, =
mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late B =
synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things he =
had to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is =
much higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded =
him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
>>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  =
Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is =
noticeably different.  I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a =
lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, =
its still a tight fit.  I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>>> =20
>>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, =
and probably cheaper.
>>>> =20
>>>> Lann
>>>> =20
>>>> In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, =
[email-masked] writes:
>>>> Robert,
>>>> =20
>>>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would =
still be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking about =
eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening =
on the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the =
car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.
>>>> =20
>>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a =
direct shifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.
>>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an =
MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
>>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to =
fit, and a new tunnel.
>>>>=20
>>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
>>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, =
eh? :-)
>>>> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the =
transmission
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Arch,<div><br></div><div>' Haven't seen that name around here for =
awhile. &nbsp;Dave Lively was the PO of my car and yes, he had it =
converted to Datsun five-speed. &nbsp;He wrote an article about it in =
the ZMG newsletter back in the early '90s - before we were online. There =
were a lot of highly detailed notes that came with the car. &nbsp;A =
couple of problems here: Dave did NOT(much to his credit!) do this =
conversion himself. &nbsp;It was done by a well-known California British =
mechanic whose name I will not mention. &nbsp;There was a receipt in the =
paper work for a "Novus Five Points" conversion kit. But what came out =
when I split the engine and transmission could not have been =
professionally built and/or marketed. The backplate was the crudest =
piece of home-made junk I have ever seen. &nbsp;Dave's records show some =
transmission problems and the entire case cracked and had to be replaced =
- twice, I believe. &nbsp;I suspect this was due to a backplate that did =
not center the transmission on the =
crankshaft.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>There was no drilled pilot =
bushing - but one that rather had been hand-reamed with a conical =
reamer. The idea must have been for the pilot bushing to support the =
nose of the transmission first-motion shaft at the very front edge only. =
But the inside reamed surface of the pilot bushing was very rough. =
&nbsp;There were some rather threatening noises occurring when the =
engine idled while in neutral. The flywheel itself was not MG - perhaps =
it was Datsun. &nbsp;The bolt pattern was wrong and it had been =
redrilled to fit the MG crankshaft pattern. This made for a lot of bolt =
holes on the flywheel and it was not perfectly centered (another cause =
of the case cracking?). &nbsp;In the world of aesthetics, the shifter =
turret was left out. I took all this junk out, replacing it all with a =
complete Rivergate kit (and a correct turret). &nbsp;In defense of these =
guys, I will offer that the Rivergate kit was probably not yet available =
back in those days. But with the same engine and transmission, now =
connected through the Rivergate kit, everything is beautiful. The one =
thing I saved from the original installation was the transmission =
crossmember - practically identical to the one Rivergate had built for =
my first Magnette. =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW,</div><div>Allen</div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Arch Boston wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave =
Liveley? giving directions for a DIY 5 speed conversion. &nbsp;If anyone =
is interested I will try to find the notes. &nbsp;His directions were =
rather complete. &nbsp;Strange that no transmission made in this century =
can be utilized. Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 1, =
2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with =
the Ford type 9 gearbox.&nbsp; It is a great conversion.&nbsp; It fits =
easily, with very little in the way of mods and looks stock from the =
interior.<br><div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just =
drove my original and standard ZB yesterday.&nbsp; I really miss that =
5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!<br clear=3D"all"></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">

<br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne =
&amp; Isabel Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> =
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<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I =
have=20
experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, =
requires=20
only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of =
the side=20
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole =
saw clear=20
through and check the level through the side from the inside of the =
cockpit but=20
don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where the =
old one=20
did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is =
direct=20
drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway=20=

use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It =
gets=20
about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st =
syncro is=20
sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>
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<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Allen =
Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div><div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">List for the =
Z Magnette Group - North=20
America</a> </div>
</div><div><div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans =
in ZB</div></div></div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
<div =
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t;Calibri&quot;;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><div><div>Mike=20=

and Charles,=20
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Yeah,&nbsp; I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite =
a=20
challenge on Lombard Hill!&nbsp; I guess my consideration of rear gears =
presumed=20
the 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see=20
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - =
there's=20
plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.&nbsp; Also note =
that I=20
tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.&nbsp; It clears the =
tower=20
nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was =
Rivergate's=20
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme =
durability=20
of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder =
engine.&nbsp; They=20
do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. =
Designed=20
for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep =
my eye=20
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a =
1275, a=20
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up=20
front.&nbsp; The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, =
the 280Z=20
5-speeds are drying up also.&nbsp; BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
T5 bull=20
pen.&nbsp; We may have another option before long.&nbsp; Hopefully =
somebody who=20
knows more than I will speak to this.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more=20
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little =
return=20
for your money and effort.&nbsp; It would be nice to capitalize on that =
free one=20
you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most =
worthless part=20
on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od=20
transmission.&nbsp; If you advertised to MGB guys that you were =
currently=20
accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by =
morning.=20
Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as =
the=20
internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.&nbsp; I gave away four of =
them=20
about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to =
one of=20
my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's =
in the=20
bank. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved =
pretty=20
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB=20
4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a =
2"=20
rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would =
require=20
about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if =
anybody's tried=20
this with a Triumph TR6 box.&nbsp; After all, a Triumph has to be good =
for=20
something...&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; ;-) </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
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  <div>Allen,</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Thanks for the response.&nbsp; I'm not intending on using a MGB =
OD=20
  transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.&nbsp; My =
concern=20
  was with the location of the shifter.&nbsp; I'm thinking that with a =
little=20
  fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote=20
  control.&nbsp; I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever =
there.&nbsp;=20
  I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed=20
  from a wrecked MGB.&nbsp; It's FREE.&nbsp; I looked it over and it =
looks like=20
  the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever =
also.&nbsp; It=20
  looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that =
trans.&nbsp; I=20
  would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would =
consider=20
  using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.&nbsp; =
I could=20
  keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb=20=

  engine.&nbsp; </div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun=20
  200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br =
clear=3D"all"></div>
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  <div>Charlie Durning</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20=

  watching.</font></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div></div></div><br><br>
  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen =
Bachelder <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px =
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    <div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest =
way to do=20
    this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a=20=

    Rivergate kit.&nbsp; I've done it on two different Magnettes.&nbsp; =
The kit=20
    is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - =
but it=20
    isn't rocket science.&nbsp; The bit in question is the transmission =
mount.=20
    The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce =
Woodson=20
    and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20=

    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is =
pretty=20
    darn easy.&nbsp; The pictures show the only modifications done to =
the=20
    car.&nbsp; Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the =
Datsun=20
    transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows=20
    how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening.&nbsp; In=20
    fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I =
dealt=20
    with it.&nbsp; I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a =
future=20
    owner wants to reverse the conversion.&nbsp; In this sense, in =
answer to=20
    frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually =
preserved=20
    more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another=20=

    advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft =
still fits -=20
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the=20
    Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and =
transmission=20
    spline.&nbsp; </div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever=20
    boot.&nbsp;&nbsp; I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower =
with a=20
    body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at =
all.</div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>One more thought.&nbsp; If you're undecided about the =
transmission=20
    choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a=20
    4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.&nbsp; This is an easy =
two-hour=20
    job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with=20
    the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode =
in=20
    while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, =
and while=20
    we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our =
interstates),=20
    they seemed remarkably unstressed.&nbsp; For awhile there, I started=20=

    wondering why I had gone to all this effort.&nbsp; But then I get on =
the=20
    I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy =
to have=20
    my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 =
rpm.</div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>FWIW,</div>
    <div>Allen</div>
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    <div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
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      <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K =
states I=20
      installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would =
not even=20
      consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to =
do. The=20
      come with everything you need and require almost no modifications =
to the=20
      car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear =
transmission=20
      mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and =
cable. Then=20
      deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch =
hydraulic=20
      line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember =
exactly=20
      what. I think that covers it all.<br>--<span =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span><br>Sent from my Android phone=20
      with<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span><a =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span>Mail. Please excuse my=20
      brevity.<br><br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby &lt;<a =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=20
      wrote:=20
      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D"3">It is=20
        not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to =
offer up=20
        this answer, but I will anyway!&nbsp; One of my first, of many, =
mentors,=20
        in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header=20
        set up many of us have purchased.&nbsp; Steve did put a full =
late B=20
        synchro in his.&nbsp; I do remember Steve describing the various =
things=20
        he had to do.&nbsp; Steve is a person of immense talents, so his =
pay=20
        grade is much higher than mine.&nbsp; Perhaps Steve will answer, =
now=20
        that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him=20
        directly.</font></div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D"3"></font>&nbsp;</div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D"3">#2SteveK</font></div>
        <blockquote =
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(0,0,0) 2px =
solid;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message =
-----</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt =
arial;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228)"><b>From:</b><span>&nbsp;</span><a=
 title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span>&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt =
arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Tuesday,=20
          November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT:10pt =
arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Re:=20
          [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div><font =
color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 =
sync is=20
          wider than the 3 sync.&nbsp; Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 =
sync.&nbsp;=20
          The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.&nbsp; I've =
put a 4=20
          sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG =
hammer to=20
          move sheet metal around.&nbsp; Even then, its still a tight =
fit.&nbsp;=20
          I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a =
Hi-Gear 5 speed=20
          would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
          <div>
          <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 =
10:19:44=20
          A.M. Central Standard Time,<span>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span>&nbsp;</span>writes:</=
div>
          <blockquote =
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px =
solid"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#000000" =
face=3D"Arial">
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn't think that even =
modifying the=20
            remote would work.&nbsp; It would still be too far back, not =
to=20
            mention the height.&nbsp; I was thinking about eleminating =
the=20
            remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on =
the trans=20
            where the remote attaches.&nbsp; I still have to get under =
the car=20
            and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC =
car used=20
            the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.&nbsp; That would =
keep me=20
            from having to make something.</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
            <div>
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            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div></div></div>
            <div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">On Tue, =
Nov 26, 2013=20
            at 1:58 AM,<span>&nbsp;</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
title=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span>&nbsp;</span=
>wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
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fitting an MGB=20
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gearlever=20
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the parking brake handle.  What did you do to resolve that problem?

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<div>David,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I&#39;ve been offered a used Hi-gear conversion from a wrecked MGB.=A0=
 I did some crude measurements and it looks like the shift lever will end u=
p back by the parking brake handle.=A0 What did=A0you do to resolve that pr=
oblem?=A0<br clear=3D"all">
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM, David Halliday <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with=
 the Ford type 9 gearbox.=A0 It is a great conversion.=A0 It fits easily, w=
ith very little in the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.<br>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterd=
ay.=A0 I really miss that 5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!<br clear=3D"a=
ll"></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne &amp; Isabel Ha=
rdy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word" dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;;FONT-SIZE:14pt">
<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have =
experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, require=
s only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of t=
he side located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a h=
ole saw clear through and check the level through the side from the inside =
of the cockpit but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exa=
ctly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as th=
e Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down t=
he road gear for freeway use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9=
 : 1 rear as I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at abo=
ut 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro is sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"4"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39=
;;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:bachldrs=
@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div>
<div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:zmagne=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">List for the Z Magnette Group - North=
 America</a> </div></div>
<div>
<div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div></div><=
/div></div></div>
<div>=A0</div></div>
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;;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
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<div>Mike and Charles,=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Yeah,=A0 I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a chal=
lenge on Lombard Hill!=A0 I guess my consideration of rear gears presumed t=
he 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can se=
e I&#39;ve moved the handbrake back about 1.5&quot;. This is not difficult =
at all - there&#39;s plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable=
.=A0 Also note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it&#39;s front bracket.=
=A0 It clears the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions,=
 the 280Z was Rivergate&#39;s choice and their kit will not fit the others.=
 They liked the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to hand=
le the six-cylinder engine.=A0 They do have kits designed to fit the 210 fi=
ve-speed to &quot;A block&quot; engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe =
they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on occas=
ion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a Rivergate/210 five-s=
peed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front.=A0 The trick is to =
FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up al=
so.=A0 BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen.=A0 We may have an=
other option before long.=A0 Hopefully somebody who knows more than I will =
speak to this.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be mor=
e trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little re=
turn for your money and effort.=A0 It would be nice to capitalize on that f=
ree one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most wor=
thless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-=
od transmission.=A0 If you advertised to MGB guys that you were currently a=
ccepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by morning.=
 Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as the=
 internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.=A0 I gave away four of them =
about two years ago. I have one &quot;spare&quot; 4-sync od box that I&#39;=
ll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and eve=
rything that&#39;s in the bank. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty =
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it&#39;s shifter up right in the=
 MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a=
 2&quot; rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter =
would require about the same. I&#39;m pretty sure it would be doable. &#39;=
 Wonder if anybody&#39;s tried this with a Triumph TR6 box.=A0 After all, a=
 Triumph has to be good for something...=A0 ;-)=A0 ;-)=A0 ;-) </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Allen,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks for the response.=A0 I&#39;m not intending on using a MGB OD tr=
ansmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.=A0 My concern w=
as with the location of the shifter.=A0 I&#39;m thinking that with a little=
 fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote c=
ontrol.=A0 I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.=A0 I&#39=
;ll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed=
 from a wrecked MGB.=A0 It&#39;s FREE.=A0 I looked it over and it looks lik=
e the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.=A0 It =
looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.=A0 I woul=
d use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that&#39;s why I would consid=
er using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.=A0 I cou=
ld keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb en=
gine.=A0 </div>

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<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsu=
n 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br clear=3D"all=
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<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
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<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelde=
r <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way to d=
o this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a &quot;Z&quot; in it!) a=
nd a Rivergate kit.=A0 I&#39;ve done it on two different Magnettes.=A0 The =
kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but=
 it isn&#39;t rocket science.=A0 The bit in question is the transmission mo=
unt. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Woo=
dson and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty d=
arn easy.=A0 The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.=A0 B=
ear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission wi=
th a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much materi=
al was removed from the back of the shifter opening.=A0 In fact, this is mo=
re than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it.=A0 I ch=
ose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to revers=
e the conversion.=A0 In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by usi=
ng a Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I wo=
uld have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is tha=
t the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U=
-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course ha=
s it&#39;s own front yoke and transmission spline.=A0 </div>

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<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.=A0=A0 I d=
id rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its=
 new location. The PO didn&#39;t use a tower at all.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>One more thought.=A0 If you&#39;re undecided about the transmission ch=
oice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4=
.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.=A0 This is an easy two-hour job.=
 You might find that even with the original gearbox, you&#39;re happy with =
the higher-geared rear end. It&#39;s interesting that the two ZAs I rode in=
 while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and whil=
e we never went on the &quot;M roads&quot; with them (equivalent to our int=
erstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed.=A0 For awhile there, I starte=
d wondering why I had gone to all this effort.=A0 But then I get on the I-6=
9 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I&#39;m sure happy to ha=
ve my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.</div>

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<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT:normal;TEXT-TRANSFORM:=
none;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;TEXT-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:=
separate;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;WHITE-SPACE:normal;LETTER-SPACING:normal;FON=
T-WEIGHT:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K states I in=
stalled a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not even cons=
ider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The come wi=
th everything you need and require almost no modifications to the car. To i=
nstall the late over drive you need to build a rear transmission mount, a t=
ransmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with =
the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also di=
d some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think t=
hat covers it all.<br>
--<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><br>Sent from my Android phone w=
ith<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" hre=
f=3D"http://mail.com/" target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE:10pt">=A0</span>Mail. Please excuse my brevity.<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby &lt;<a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:=20
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">It =
is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offer up =
this answer, but I will anyway!=A0 One of my first, of many, mentors, in th=
e Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up ma=
ny of us have purchased.=A0 Steve did put a full late B synchro in his.=A0 =
I do remember Steve describing the various things he had to do.=A0 Steve is=
 a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine.=A0=
 Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I&#39;ve prodded him a bit, or Charlie=
 can contact him directly.</font></div>

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ont>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">#2S=
teveK</font></div>
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ING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228);FONT:10pt arial"><b>From:</=
b><span>=A0</span><a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span>=A0</span><a title=3D"zmagne=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>=A0</span>Tuesday, Novembe=
r 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>=A0</span>Re: [Zmagnett=
e] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Aria=
l">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider t=
han the 3 sync.=A0 Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.=A0 The transmission =
tunnel is noticeably different.=A0 I&#39;ve put a 4 sync in and early MGB a=
nd it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.=A0 =
Even then, its still a tight fit.=A0 I can&#39;t imagine a Magnette would b=
e any easier.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed wou=
ld be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. C=
entral Standard Time,<span>=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:durningcharles@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span>=A0</span>writes:=
</div>

<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEF=
T:5px"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#000000" face=
=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn&#39;t think that even modifying the re=
mote would work.=A0 It would still be too far back, not to mention the heig=
ht.=A0 I was thinking about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter=
 directly to the opening on the trans where the remote attaches.=A0 I still=
 have to get under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be cl=
ose.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 s=
ynchro trans with a direct shifter.=A0 That would keep me from having to ma=
ke something.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div></div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at=
 1:58 AM,<span>=A0</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a title=3D"mailto:monster@c=
averock.net.nz" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span>=A0</span>wrote:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><a title=3D"http://ww=
w.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href=3D"http://www.be=
ardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>Oxford.html</a=
><br>
<br>On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB e=
ngine and 4-synchro+overdrive &#39;box to a 1960&#39;s Farina Oxford.<br>It=
 includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a =
new tunnel.<br>
<br>I&#39;d agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the non=
-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span>=A0</=
span><br>
Robert=20
<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Charlie,<br>Even without =
overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and your going=
 to have to substantially reshape the transmission<br>
tunnel to make it fit. That&#39;s a ferocious price to pay for a<br>synchro=
nized first gear. If you&#39;re going to that much trouble, you<br>might as=
 well go five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></bloc=
kquote>
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ote></div></div></div>
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Charlie,

I just looked at the Hi Gear website =
(http://hi-gearengineering.co.uk/content/view/16/31/) and note that the =
Z Magnette kit includes a bell housing designed for the  MGA.  Could =
this be shorter than the MGB 4-sync one?  Further I note that Hi Gear =
offers conversions for both 3-sync and 4-sync MGBs and they claim that =
no holes need to be drilled and no metal needs to be cut.  The 4-sync =
trans is longer, so if the MGB Hi Gear kit  you're offered is for a =
4-sync car, then the shift lever  will come through the tunnel further =
back. =20

Two courses of action:=20

1.)  It is likely that the shift lever will not come through as far back =
as the parking brake handle. My yardstick here is the Datsun/Rivergate =
and Rivergate advertises that the shifter will come through the original =
hole on 4-sync MGBs.  To make it fit on my Magnette I did have to trim =
the hole back (1-1/2 to 2" is sufficient). I did move the brake handle =
back 1-1/8" and raised the front bracket so the thumb release would =
clear the shifter turret comfortably.

2.) Contact Hi Gear. Tell them what you have and ask what you need to =
make the T9 transmission fit your Magnette.  They charge =A3805 for the =
complete kit (not including gearbox) and =A3625 for the gearbox itself. =
That comes out to about $2230 US - so figure your savings on the used =
conversion and calculate how much more you might like to spend before =
you eradicate  your savings.  I would hope that the only difference =
would be the bell housing and that you could buy just a new one without =
the whole kit - at considerable savings.  Maybe you could even get a =
core charge for the one you have.=20

Whatever you do, contact Bruce Woodson about your options. He's =
importing and installing a lot of these now.

Holiday Cheers,
Allen

On Dec 2, 2013, at 10:17 AM, charles durning wrote:

> David,
> =20
> I've been offered a used Hi-gear conversion from a wrecked MGB.  I did =
some crude measurements and it looks like the shift lever will end up =
back by the parking brake handle.  What did you do to resolve that =
problem?=20
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM, David Halliday <[email-masked]> =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
> Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with a =
210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a couple =
stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side =
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole =
saw clear through and check the level through the side from the inside =
of the cockpit but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much =
exactly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same =
as the Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it =
on down the road gear for freeway use...especially if you have already =
gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive =
at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro is sure nice too. Very nice =
kit.
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z =
five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it on =
two different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a =
bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit in =
question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is =
available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a =
purpose-built version for the Magnette.
>> =20
>> One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission choice, =
first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, =
a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy two-hour job. =
You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with =
the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in =
while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and =
while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our =
interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, I =
started wondering why I had gone to all this effort.  But then I get on =
the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy =
to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.
>>> As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in =
my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so =
much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost =
no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to =
build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, =
speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame =
and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift =
tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.
brevity.
>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to =
offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many, =
and probably cheaper.
fit, and a new tunnel.
eh? :-)
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
">Charlie,<div><br></div><div>I just looked at the Hi Gear website (<a =
href=3D"http://hi-gearengineering.co.uk/content/view/16/31/">http://hi-gea=
rengineering.co.uk/content/view/16/31/</a>) and note that the Z Magnette =
kit includes a bell housing designed for the &nbsp;MGA. &nbsp;Could this =
be shorter than the MGB 4-sync one? &nbsp;Further I note that Hi Gear =
offers conversions for both 3-sync and 4-sync MGBs and they claim that =
no holes need to be drilled and no metal needs to be cut. &nbsp;The =
4-sync trans is longer, so if the MGB Hi Gear kit &nbsp;you're offered =
is for a 4-sync car, then the shift lever &nbsp;will come through the =
tunnel further back. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Two courses of =
action:&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"webkit-indent-blockquote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: =
none; padding: 0px;"><div>1.) &nbsp;It is likely that the shift lever =
will not come through as far back as the parking brake handle. My =
yardstick here is the Datsun/Rivergate and Rivergate advertises that the =
shifter will come through the original hole on 4-sync MGBs. &nbsp;To =
make it fit on my Magnette I did have to trim the hole back (1-1/2 to 2" =
is sufficient). I did move the brake handle back 1-1/8" and raised the =
front bracket so the thumb release would clear the shifter turret =
comfortably.</div><div><br></div><div>2.) Contact Hi Gear. Tell them =
what you have and ask what you need to make the T9 transmission fit your =
Magnette. &nbsp;They charge =A3805 for the complete kit (not including =
gearbox) and =A3625 for the gearbox itself. That comes out to about =
$2230 US - so figure your savings on the used conversion and calculate =
how much more you might like to spend before you eradicate &nbsp;your =
savings. &nbsp;I would hope that the only difference would be the bell =
housing and that you could buy just a new one without the whole kit - at =
considerable savings. &nbsp;Maybe you could even get a core charge for =
the one you have.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></blockquote>Whatever you =
do, contact Bruce Woodson about your options. He's importing and =
installing a lot of these now.<div><br></div><div>Holiday =
Cheers,</div><div>Allen<br><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 2, 2013, at 10:17 AM, charles durning =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>David,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I've been offered a used Hi-gear conversion from a wrecked =
MGB.&nbsp; I did some crude measurements and it looks like the shift =
lever will end up back by the parking brake handle.&nbsp; What =
did&nbsp;you do to resolve that problem?&nbsp;<br clear=3D"all">
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is =
watching.</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM, David =
Halliday <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion =
with the Ford type 9 gearbox.&nbsp; It is a great conversion.&nbsp; It =
fits easily, with very little in the way of mods and looks stock from =
the interior.<br>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just drove my original and standard ZB =
yesterday.&nbsp; I really miss that 5th gear and syncro on 1st and =
2nd!<br clear=3D"all"></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Kind =
regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne &amp; Isabel =
Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word" dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:14pt">
<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I =
have experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, =
requires only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow =
removal of the side located tranny oil check plug. You could if you =
wanted also use a hole saw clear through and check the level through the =
side from the inside of the cockpit but don=92t need to. Gear selector =
comes out pretty much exactly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are =
almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 =
ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway =
use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It =
gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st =
syncro is sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"4"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
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<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Allen =
Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div>
<div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">List for the =
Z Magnette Group - North America</a> </div></div>
<div>
<div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in =
ZB</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div>Mike and Charles,=20
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<div>Yeah,&nbsp; I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite =
a challenge on Lombard Hill!&nbsp; I guess my consideration of rear =
gears presumed the 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at =
all - there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the =
cable.&nbsp; Also note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front =
bracket.&nbsp; It clears the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX =
transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate's choice and their kit will not =
fit the others. They liked the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it =
was designed to handle the six-cylinder engine.&nbsp; They do have kits =
designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed for =
Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my =
eye out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a =
1275, a Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget =
discs up front.&nbsp; The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that =
matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up also.&nbsp; BTW, there is some =
activity in the BW T5 bull pen.&nbsp; We may have another option before =
long.&nbsp; Hopefully somebody who knows more than I will speak to =
this.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very =
little return for your money and effort.&nbsp; It would be nice to =
capitalize on that free one you have - except bear in mind that your =
freeby is the 2nd-most worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part =
on an MGB being a 3sync non-od transmission.&nbsp; If you advertised to =
MGB guys that you were currently accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your =
front yard would be full by morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them =
down for parts makes some sense as the internals can be used in =
rebuilding od boxes.&nbsp; I gave away four of them about two years ago. =
I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids =
someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's in the =
bank. </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved =
pretty easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right =
in the MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter =
requires about a 2" rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the =
4-sync MGB shifter would require about the same. I'm pretty sure it =
would be doable. ' Wonder if anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 =
box.&nbsp; After all, a Triumph has to be good for something...&nbsp; =
;-)&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; ;-) </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
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<div>Allen,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for the response.&nbsp; I'm not intending on using a MGB OD =
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.&nbsp; My =
concern was with the location of the shifter.&nbsp; I'm thinking that =
with a little fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening =
for the remote control.&nbsp; I might even be able to adapt the Magnette =
lever there.&nbsp; I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the =
future.</div>

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<div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed from a wrecked MGB.&nbsp; It's FREE.&nbsp; I looked it over and =
it looks like the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake =
lever also.&nbsp; It looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever =
on that trans.&nbsp; I would use it if I can work out relocating the =
shift lever. </div>

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<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would =
consider using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the =
engine.&nbsp; I could keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough =
to adapt to the 5 mb engine.&nbsp; </div>

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<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br =
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<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is =
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen =
Bachelder <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way =
to do this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and =
a Rivergate kit.&nbsp; I've done it on two different Magnettes.&nbsp; =
The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication =
necessary - but it isn't rocket science.&nbsp; The bit in question is =
the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from =
either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built =
version for the Magnette.=20
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<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is =
pretty darn easy.&nbsp; The pictures show the only modifications done to =
the car.&nbsp; Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the =
Datsun transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second =
picture shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening.&nbsp; In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third =
picture shows how I dealt with it.&nbsp; I chose not to weld the new =
tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse the =
conversion.&nbsp; In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by =
using a Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG =
than I would have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this =
approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring =
only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun =
U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and transmission =
spline.&nbsp; </div>

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<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever =
boot.&nbsp;&nbsp; I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with =
a body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at =
all.</div>
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<div>One more thought.&nbsp; If you're undecided about the transmission =
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.&nbsp; This is an easy =
two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs =
I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end =
types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to =
our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed.&nbsp; For awhile =
there, I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort.&nbsp; But =
then I get on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and =
I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph =
per 1,000 rpm.</div>

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<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
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come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to the =
car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear =
transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box =
and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a =
clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do =
not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.<br>
--<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span><br>Sent from my Android =
phone with<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span><a =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span>Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby &lt;<a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=20
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0pt =
0pt 0pt 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman">It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place =
to offer up this answer, but I will anyway!&nbsp; One of my first, of =
many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee =
superb header set up many of us have purchased.&nbsp; Steve did put a =
full late B synchro in his.&nbsp; I do remember Steve describing the =
various things he had to do.&nbsp; Steve is a person of immense talents, =
so his pay grade is much higher than mine.&nbsp; Perhaps Steve will =
answer, now that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him =
directly.</font></div>

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arial"><b>From:</b><span>&nbsp;</span><a title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span>&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
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<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, =
November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Re: =
[Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div><font color=3D"#000000" =
face=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is =
wider than the 3 sync.&nbsp; Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.&nbsp; =
The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.&nbsp; I've put a 4 sync =
in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move =
sheet metal around.&nbsp; Even then, its still a tight fit.&nbsp; I =
can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed =
would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 =
A.M. Central Standard Time,<span>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span>&nbsp;</span>writes:</=
div>

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solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px"><font =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn't think that even modifying the =
remote would work.&nbsp; It would still be too far back, not to mention =
the height.&nbsp; I was thinking about eleminating the remote and =
mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans where the =
remote attaches.&nbsp; I still have to get under the car and do some =
measuring to see if that would be close.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car used the =
4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.&nbsp; That would keep me from =
having to make something.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div></div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 =
at 1:58 AM,<span>&nbsp;</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
title=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span>&nbsp;</span=
>wrote:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><a =
title=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =
href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Da=
ds_<u></u>Oxford.html</a><br>
<br>On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an =
MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.<br>It =
includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and =
a new tunnel.<br>
<br>I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the =
non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? =
:-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span>&nbsp;</span><br>
Robert=20
<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Charlie,<br>Even =
without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and =
your going to have to substantially reshape the transmission<br>
tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for =
a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, =
you<br>might as well go =
five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></blockquote>
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Allen.

The bell housings are the same depth. There are four different designs for =
the B series. Three for the small, early bell housing and flywheel - low mo=
unt starter MGA, high mount starter MGA, early MGB (different starter locat=
ion), late MGB with all synchro trans.

Shifter location is determined by an offset arm welded to the bottom of the=
 stick.

I installed a T9 in my Magnette and I had to cut a small half circle at the=
 rear of the original opening. Then move the shifter cover assembly back ab=
out an inch. There is no conflict with the hand brake.

The claim of no sheet metal modification is a bit optimistic. In addition t=
o the shifter location, the ribs near the front of the tunnel need to be bu=
mped upwards to clear the taller transmission. Not a big deal on a lift, bu=
t a PITA without one. I had a friend stay in the car and hold a heavy chunk=
 of iron (railroad track) against the tunnel, while I hammered from below w=
ith a big 'ammer.

I am very happy with the conversion in my car. The shift feel is similar to=
 original. The supplied shift lever accepts the original knob and is in the=
 original position, so it's virtually impossible to tell a conversion was d=
one.

Kelvin.

From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]=
.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 9:38 AM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB

Charlie,

I just looked at the Hi Gear website (http://hi-gearengineering.co.uk/conte=
nt/view/16/31/) and note that the Z Magnette kit includes a bell housing de=
signed for the  MGA.  Could this be shorter than the MGB 4-sync one?  Furth=
er I note that Hi Gear offers conversions for both 3-sync and 4-sync MGBs a=
nd they claim that no holes need to be drilled and no metal needs to be cut=
.  The 4-sync trans is longer, so if the MGB Hi Gear kit  you're offered is=
 for a 4-sync car, then the shift lever  will come through the tunnel furth=
er back.

Two courses of action:

1.)  It is likely that the shift lever will not come through as far back as=
 the parking brake handle. My yardstick here is the Datsun/Rivergate and Ri=
vergate advertises that the shifter will come through the original hole on =
4-sync MGBs.  To make it fit on my Magnette I did have to trim the hole bac=
k (1-1/2 to 2" is sufficient). I did move the brake handle back 1-1/8" and =
raised the front bracket so the thumb release would clear the shifter turre=
t comfortably.

2.) Contact Hi Gear. Tell them what you have and ask what you need to make =
the T9 transmission fit your Magnette.  They charge =A3805 for the complete=
 kit (not including gearbox) and =A3625 for the gearbox itself. That comes =
out to about $2230 US - so figure your savings on the used conversion and c=
alculate how much more you might like to spend before you eradicate  your s=
avings.  I would hope that the only difference would be the bell housing an=
d that you could buy just a new one without the whole kit - at considerable=
 savings.  Maybe you could even get a core charge for the one you have.

Whatever you do, contact Bruce Woodson about your options. He's importing a=
nd installing a lot of these now.

Holiday Cheers,
Allen

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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Allen. <o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The bell housings are the same depth. There ar=
e four different designs for the B series. Three for the small, early bell =
housing and flywheel &#8211; low mount starter MGA, high mount starter MGA,=
 early MGB (different starter location), late MGB with all synchro trans. <=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Shifter location is determined by an offset a=
rm welded to the bottom of the stick. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I in=
stalled a T9 in my Magnette and I had to cut a small half circle at the rea=
r of the original opening. Then move the shifter cover assembly back about =
an inch. There is no conflict with the hand brake. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
F497D'>The claim of no sheet metal modification is a bit optimistic. In add=
ition to the shifter location, the ribs near the front of the tunnel need t=
o be bumped upwards to clear the taller transmission. Not a big deal on a l=
ift, but a PITA without one. I had a friend stay in the car and hold a heav=
y chunk of iron (railroad track) against the tunnel, while I hammered from =
below with a big &#8216;ammer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am very happ=
y with the conversion in my car. The shift feel is similar to original. The=
 supplied shift lever accepts the original knob and is in the original posi=
tion, so it&#8217;s virtually impossible to tell a conversion was done. <o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kelvin. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nb=
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><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0p=
t 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> [email-masked] [m=
ailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allen Bachelder=
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 02, 2013 9:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> List for t=
he Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 sy=
nchro MGB trans in ZB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Charlie,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I jus=
t looked at the Hi Gear website (<a href=3D"http://hi-gearengineering.co.uk=
/content/view/16/31/">http://hi-gearengineering.co.uk/content/view/16/31/</=
a>) and note that the Z Magnette kit includes a bell housing designed for t=
he &nbsp;MGA. &nbsp;Could this be shorter than the MGB 4-sync one? &nbsp;Fu=
rther I note that Hi Gear offers conversions for both 3-sync and 4-sync MGB=
s and they claim that no holes need to be drilled and no metal needs to be =
cut. &nbsp;The 4-sync trans is longer, so if the MGB Hi Gear kit &nbsp;you'=
re offered is for a 4-sync car, then the shift lever &nbsp;will come throug=
h the tunnel further back. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Two courses of ac=
tion:&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>1.) &nbsp;It is likely that the shift lever will not com=
e through as far back as the parking brake handle. My yardstick here is the=
 Datsun/Rivergate and Rivergate advertises that the shifter will come throu=
gh the original hole on 4-sync MGBs. &nbsp;To make it fit on my Magnette I =
did have to trim the hole back (1-1/2 to 2&quot; is sufficient). I did move=
 the brake handle back 1-1/8&quot; and raised the front bracket so the thum=
b release would clear the shifter turret comfortably.<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>2.) Contact Hi Gear. Tell them what you have and ask what you need to ma=
ke the T9 transmission fit your Magnette. &nbsp;They charge =A3805 for the =
complete kit (not including gearbox) and =A3625 for the gearbox itself. Tha=
t comes out to about $2230 US - so figure your savings on the used conversi=
on and calculate how much more you might like to spend before you eradicate=
 &nbsp;your savings. &nbsp;I would hope that the only difference would be t=
he bell housing and that you could buy just a new one without the whole kit=
 - at considerable savings. &nbsp;Maybe you could even get a core charge fo=
r the one you have.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=3DMsoNormal>Whatever you do, =
contact Bruce Woodson about your options. He's importing and installing a l=
ot of these now.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Holiday Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>Allen<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>=

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