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From: Fletcher Millmore <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:38:22 -0500

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TRF - they are TR4 mounts, round (there are also square ones)

FRM
On 11/9/2013 9:30 PM, Gene deRuelle wrote:
> I tried this before but it came back, sooooo.  I want to replace my 
> front engine mounts.  Mine are circular with a center mounted stud.  I 
> have looked in all the catalogs but I cant find any round ones.  Does 
> anyone know  where I can get a pair?  Thanks.
> Gene deRuelle
> 775-825-6445
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    TRF - they are TR4 mounts, round (there are also square ones)<br>
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    FRM<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/9/2013 9:30 PM, Gene deRuelle
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      <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I tried this before but it came
          back, sooooo.&nbsp; I want to replace my front engine mounts.&nbsp; Mine
          are circular with a center mounted stud.&nbsp; I have looked in all
          the catalogs but I cant find any round ones.&nbsp; Does anyone
          know&nbsp; where I can get a pair?&nbsp; Thanks.</font></div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
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      <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Gene deRuelle<br>
          775-825-6445<br>
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I have disc problems that often make weight of ZB hood a problem.  Looking a=
t the ZA hood diagram in the parts manual it looks as if it is spring assist=
ed.  Am I reading drawing correctly???  If it would be helpful how difficult=
 would it be to add that spring to my ZB? Has anyone else had that problem -=
- if you have how did you solve problem?  Could someone send photos of sprin=
g  and how it has been mounted? All sorts of questions..  Thanks, Arch

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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I have disc problems that often make weight of ZB hood a problem. &nbsp;Looking at the ZA hood diagram in the parts manual it looks as if it is spring assisted. &nbsp;Am I reading drawing correctly??? &nbsp;If it would be helpful how difficult would it be to add that spring to my ZB? Has anyone else had that problem -- if you have how did you solve problem? &nbsp;Could someone send photos of spring &nbsp;and how it has been mounted? All sorts of questions.. &nbsp;Thanks, Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Fletcher Millmore &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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Are they not the same as late model (rubberbumper) MGB mounts?=0A=0A=0A=A0=
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=0AI tried this before but it came back, sooooo.=A0 =0AI want to replace my=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Are they not the same=
 as late model (rubberbumper) MGB mounts?<br><div><span></span></div><div>&=
nbsp;</div><div>Mike!</div><div><br><br></div><div>Michael Anderson<br>One =
of a Kind Stuff/AEU<br>775 772-2056</div><br>  <div style=3D"font-family: t=
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yle=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Gene deRuelle &lt;[email-masked]=
et&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> zmagnettegr=
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ld;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 9, 2013 6:30 PM<br> <b><span style=
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From: Fletcher Millmore <[email-masked]>
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No. MGB mounts have an offset stud on one side, and two holes in the 
opposing plate.
Use the round TR4 ones. TRF have them made, and most of the stuff they 
have made is better quality than anyone else's rubber bits.
They are identical to the OE ones.

FRM

On 11/10/2013 12:19 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:
> Are they not the same as late model (rubberbumper) MGB mounts?
> Mike!
>
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> Michael Anderson
> One of a Kind Stuff/AEU
> 775 772-2056
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    No. MGB mounts have an offset stud on one side, and two holes in the
    opposing plate.<br>
    Use the round TR4 ones. TRF have them made, and most of the stuff
    they have made is better quality than anyone else's rubber bits.<br>
    They are identical to the OE ones.<br>
    <br>
    FRM<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2013 12:19 AM, Michael
      Anderson wrote:<br>
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        new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Are they not
        the same as late model (rubberbumper) MGB mounts?<br>
        <div><span></span></div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
        <div>Mike!</div>
        <div><br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>Michael Anderson<br>
          One of a Kind Stuff/AEU<br>
          775 772-2056</div>
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          serif; font-size: 12pt;">
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              <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
                    style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Gene
                deRuelle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                zmagnettegroup <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                Saturday, November 9, 2013 6:30 PM<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                [Zmagnette] Engine mount<br>
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                  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I tried this before
                      but it came back, sooooo.&nbsp; I want to replace my
                      front engine mounts.&nbsp; Mine are circular with a
                      center mounted stud.&nbsp; I have looked in all the
                      catalogs but I cant find any round ones.&nbsp; Does
                      anyone know&nbsp; where I can get a pair?&nbsp; Thanks.</font></div>
                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Gene deRuelle<br>
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If not being original is ok, then you can add shocks that are used in hatch=
back cars, and even MBZ have them on the front bonnet. You will need to wel=
d or screw two brackets to support them.

Jeff Becker

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From: Arch Boston <[email-masked]>
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <[email-masked]=
Cc: zmagnette <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 9:01 pm
Subject: [Zmagnette] ZA hood

I have disc problems that often make weight of ZB hood a problem.  Looking =
at the ZA hood diagram in the parts manual it looks as if it is spring assi=
sted.  Am I reading drawing correctly???  If it would be helpful how diffic=
ult would it be to add that spring to my ZB? Has anyone else had that probl=
em -- if you have how did you solve problem?  Could someone send photos of =
spring  and how it has been mounted? All sorts of questions..  Thanks, Arch

Sent from my iPad

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rote:

              TRF - they are TR4 mounts, round (there are also square ones)
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I tried this before but it came          back, sooooo.  I want to replace m=
y front engine mounts.  Mine          are circular with a center mounted st=
ud.  I have looked in all          the catalogs but I cant find any round o=
nes.  Does anyone          know  where I can get a pair?  Thanks.
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<div><font style=3D"background-color: transparent;">If not being original i=
s ok, then you can add shocks that are used in hatchback cars, and even MBZ=
 have them on the front bonnet. You will need to weld or screw two brackets=
 to support them.</font></div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Jeff Becker</div>

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Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 9:01 pm<br>
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p;Looking at the ZA hood diagram in the parts manual it looks as if it is s=
pring assisted. &nbsp;Am I reading drawing correctly??? &nbsp;If it would b=
e helpful how difficult would it be to add that spring to my ZB? Has anyone=
 else had that problem -- if you have how did you solve problem? &nbsp;Coul=
d someone send photos of spring &nbsp;and how it has been mounted? All sort=
s of questions.. &nbsp;Thanks, Arch<br>
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    FRM<br>

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p; Mine
          are circular with a center mounted stud.&nbsp; I have looked in a=
ll
          the catalogs but I cant find any round ones.&nbsp; Does anyone
          know&nbsp; where I can get a pair?&nbsp; Thanks.</font></div>

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                      center mounted stud.&nbsp; I have looked in all the
                      catalogs but I cant find any round ones.&nbsp; Does
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> Who is TRF?

The Roadster Factory - http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/indexmain.php

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Pics are in the SPL. It is a torsion bar, U shaped, and a bunch of 
bracketry, only on the RH side. The part # for the bonnet changes at the 
ZA/ZB point, probably the welded in nuts were deleted, but I think the 
place for them may still be there. Possibly the same situation on the 
inner valance etc where the brackets bolt. Parts 56-65 on p163-164 in my 
copy.

FRM

On 11/9/2013 11:38 PM, Arch Boston wrote:
> I have disc problems that often make weight of ZB hood a problem. 
>  Looking at the ZA hood diagram in the parts manual it looks as if it 
> is spring assisted.  Am I reading drawing correctly???  If it would be 
> helpful how difficult would it be to add that spring to my ZB? Has 
> anyone else had that problem -- if you have how did you solve problem? 
>  Could someone send photos of spring  and how it has been mounted? All 
> sorts of questions..  Thanks, Arch
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Fletcher Millmore 
>
>>> front engine mounts.  Mine are circular with a center mounted stud. 
>>> I have looked in all the catalogs but I cant find any round ones.  
>>> Does anyone know  where I can get a pair? Thanks.
>>> Gene deRuelle
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    Pics are in the SPL. It is a torsion bar, U shaped, and a bunch of
    bracketry, only on the RH side. The part # for the bonnet changes at
    the ZA/ZB point, probably the welded in nuts were deleted, but I
    think the place for them may still be there. Possibly the same
    situation on the inner valance etc where the brackets bolt. Parts
    56-65 on p163-164 in my copy.<br>
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      <div>I have disc problems that often make weight of ZB hood a
        problem. &nbsp;Looking at the ZA hood diagram in the parts manual it
        looks as if it is spring assisted. &nbsp;Am I reading drawing
        correctly??? &nbsp;If it would be helpful how difficult would it be
        to add that spring to my ZB? Has anyone else had that problem --
        if you have how did you solve problem? &nbsp;Could someone send
        photos of spring &nbsp;and how it has been mounted? All sorts of
        questions.. &nbsp;Thanks, Arch<br>
        <br>
        Sent from my iPad</div>
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        On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Fletcher Millmore &lt;<a
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          TRF - they are TR4 mounts, round (there are also square ones)<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/9/2013 9:30 PM, Gene
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            <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I tried this before but it
                came back, sooooo.&nbsp; I want to replace my front engine
                mounts.&nbsp; Mine are circular with a center mounted stud.&nbsp;
                I have looked in all the catalogs but I cant find any
                round ones.&nbsp; Does anyone know&nbsp; where I can get a pair?&nbsp;
                Thanks.</font></div>
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Jeff with me function trumps form.  That being said would be good for someon=
e "down the road" to be able to return things to original.  Fletcher I looke=
d at the parts book.  Sometimes the drawings are better than photos.  Howeve=
r, I think photos would be better this time.  Has anyone had this conversion=
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Sent from my iPad

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> If not being original is ok, then you can add shocks that are used in hatc=
hback cars, and even MBZ have them on the front bonnet. You will need to wel=
d or screw two brackets to support them.
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <[email-masked]=
t>
> I have disc problems that often make weight of ZB hood a problem.  Looking=
 at the ZA hood diagram in the parts manual it looks as if it is spring assi=
sted.  Am I reading drawing correctly???  If it would be helpful how difficu=
lt would it be to add that spring to my ZB? Has anyone else had that problem=
 -- if you have how did you solve problem?  Could someone send photos of spr=
ing  and how it has been mounted? All sorts of questions..  Thanks, Arch
rote:
>>> I tried this before but it came back, sooooo.  I want to replace my fron=
t engine mounts.  Mine are circular with a center mounted stud.  I have look=
ed in all the catalogs but I cant find any round ones.  Does anyone know  wh=
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Jeff with me function trumps form. &nbsp;That being said would be good for someone "down the road" to be able to return things to original. &nbsp;Fletcher I looked at the parts book. &nbsp;Sometimes the drawings are better than photos. &nbsp;However, I think photos would be better this time. &nbsp;Has anyone had this conversion made/done. Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Nov 10, 2013, at 2:33 AM, <a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font color="black" size="2" face="arial">
<div><font style="background-color: transparent;">If not being original is ok, then you can add shocks that are used in hatchback cars, and even MBZ have them on the front bonnet. You will need to weld or screw two brackets to support them.</font></div>

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To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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Arch,

I have a ZA with the original bonnet lift arrangement.  I can take 
some pictures for you.  I don't know if I would consider this to be a 
big improvement.  The mechanism consists of the U-shaped spring part 
and a bracket part that holds the bonnet open instead of a prop 
rod.  When I got the car, the joint in the bracket allowed the 
bracket to travel past its stop, which created a small dent in the 
bonnet.  I guess it must make the bonnet somewhat lighter.  It's 
certainly not feather light, though.  With the prop rod, you can open 
the bonnet extra high and prop it up with a broom stick or something, 
hopefully preventing some pain to the back of your head.  For big 
jobs, I will unbolt the bracket for this purpose.  Biggest thing for 
your purpose, though, would be to have some sort of comparison of the 
effective bonnet weight both ways.  It would be a lot of hassle to go 
through if it doesn't solve the problem.

-Steve T.

At 11:12 AM 11/10/2013, Arch Boston wrote:
>Jeff with me function trumps form.  That being said would be good 
>for someone "down the road" to be able to return things to 
>original.  Fletcher I looked at the parts book.  Sometimes the 
>drawings are better than photos.  However, I think photos would be 
>better this time.  Has anyone had this conversion made/done. Arch

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 11:59:57 -0500

Steve so it doesn't solve weight problem, bummer!  

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 10, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Steven Trovato <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Arch,
> 
> I have a ZA with the original bonnet lift arrangement.  I can take some pictures for you.  I don't know if I would consider this to be a big improvement.  The mechanism consists of the U-shaped spring part and a bracket part that holds the bonnet open instead of a prop rod.  When I got the car, the joint in the bracket allowed the bracket to travel past its stop, which created a small dent in the bonnet.  I guess it must make the bonnet somewhat lighter.  It's certainly not feather light, though.  With the prop rod, you can open the bonnet extra high and prop it up with a broom stick or something, hopefully preventing some pain to the back of your head.  For big jobs, I will unbolt the bracket for this purpose.  Biggest thing for your purpose, though, would be to have some sort of comparison of the effective bonnet weight both ways.  It would be a lot of hassle to go through if it doesn't solve the problem.
> 
> -Steve T.
> 
>> Jeff with me function trumps form.  That being said would be good for someone "down the road" to be able to return things to original.  Fletcher I looked at the parts book.  Sometimes the drawings are better than photos.  However, I think photos would be better this time.  Has anyone had this conversion made/done. Arch
> 
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Well, I'm not saying it doesn't help at all.  If you're looking to 
lift the bonnet with one finger, this won't do it.  I think the 
assist is minimal in the initial lift, and increases a bit as the 
bonnet opens.  I've attached a photo.  I wish I had a more objective 
way to describe it.  Maybe I need to find a fish scale.

-Steve T.

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From: Arch Boston <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 12:58:15 -0500

Steve, I just popped the hood on my ZB...  Looks as if all the holes and screws are drilled in my hood for the ZA spring.  If it reduces lift effort 50% it would be a modification well worth the doing!  Do youall think lift effort would be reduced 50%???  If it would, does anyone have a spring on a parts car they would sell?  Arch

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n take some pictures for you.=A0 I don't know if I would consider this to b=
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and a bracket part that holds the bonnet open instead of a prop rod.=A0 Whe=
n I got the car, the joint in the bracket allowed the bracket to travel pas=
t its stop, which created a small dent in the bonnet.=A0 I guess it must ma=
ke the bonnet somewhat lighter.=A0 It's certainly not feather light, though=
.=A0 With the prop rod, you can open the bonnet extra high and prop it up w=
ith a broom stick or something, hopefully preventing some pain to the back =
of your head.=A0 For big jobs, I will unbolt the bracket for this purpose.=
=A0 Biggest thing for your purpose, though, would be to have some sort of c=
omparison of the effective bonnet weight both ways.=A0 It would be a lot of=
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unction trumps form.=A0 That being said would be good for someone "down the=
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e windscreen when doing any "serious" work in the engine compartment and th=
e bonnet definitely much heavier to lift without it engaged.<br><div><span>=
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dification well worth the doing!&nbsp; Do youall think lift effort would be=
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3, at 11:59 AM, Arch Boston &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" h=
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[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&=
gt;&gt; Arch,<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; I have a ZA with the original bonnet=
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improvement.&nbsp; The mechanism consists of the U-shaped spring part and a=
 bracket part that holds the bonnet open instead of a prop rod.&nbsp; When =
I got the car, the joint in the bracket allowed the bracket to travel past =
its stop, which created a small dent in the bonnet.&nbsp; I guess it must m=
ake the bonnet somewhat lighter.&nbsp; It's certainly not feather light, th=
ough.&nbsp; With the prop rod, you can open the bonnet extra high and prop =
it up with a broom stick or something, hopefully preventing some pain to th=
e back of your head.&nbsp; For big jobs, I will unbolt the bracket for this=
 purpose.&nbsp; Biggest thing for your purpose, though, would be to have so=
me sort of comparison of the effective bonnet weight both ways.&nbsp; It wo=
uld be a lot of hassle to go through if it doesn't solve the problem.<br>&g=
t;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; -Steve T.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; At 11:12 AM
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be able to return things to original.&nbsp; Fletcher I looked at the parts =
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From: Arch Boston <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:40:37 -0500

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Mike, Hate to sound like a wimp but........  I definitely want to make the c=
hange.  Thanks for input.  Arch

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Michael Anderson <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I feel it makes a significant difference. I also unbolt the bracket to lay=
 the bonnet over on the windscreen when doing any "serious" work in the engi=
ne compartment and the bonnet definitely much heavier to lift without it eng=
aged.
> One of a Kind Stuff/AEU
t>=20
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZA hood
>=20
> Steve, I just popped the hood on my ZB...  Looks as if all the holes and s=
crews are drilled in my hood for the ZA spring.  If it reduces lift effort 5=
0% it would be a modification well worth the doing!  Do youall think lift ef=
fort would be reduced 50%???  If it would, does anyone have a spring on a pa=
rts car they would sell?  Arch
> > Steve so it doesn't solve weight problem, bummer! =20
> >=20
> > Sent from my iPad
> >=20
> > On Nov 10, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Steven Trovato <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
> >=20
> >> Arch,
> >>=20
> >> I have a ZA with the original bonnet lift arrangement.  I can take some=
 pictures for you.  I don't know if I would consider this to be a big improv=
ement.  The mechanism consists of the U-shaped spring part and a bracket par=
t that holds the bonnet open instead of a prop rod.  When I got the car, the=
 joint in the bracket allowed the bracket to travel past its stop, which cre=
ated a small dent in the bonnet.  I guess it must make the bonnet somewhat l=
ighter.  It's certainly not feather light, though.  With the prop rod, you c=
an open the bonnet extra high and prop it up with a broom stick or something=
, hopefully preventing some pain to the back of your head.  For big jobs, I w=
ill unbolt the bracket for this purpose.  Biggest thing for your purpose, th=
ough, would be to have some sort of comparison of the effective bonnet weigh=
t both ways.  It would be a lot of hassle to go through if it doesn't solve t=
he problem.
> >>> Jeff with me function trumps form.  That being said would be good for s=
omeone "down the road" to be able to return things to original.  Fletcher I l=
ooked at the parts book.  Sometimes the drawings are better than photos.  Ho=
wever, I think photos would be better this time.  Has anyone had this conver=
sion made/done. Arch
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Mike, Hate to sound like a=
 wimp but........ &nbsp;I definitely want to make the change. &nbsp;Thanks f=
or input. &nbsp;Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Nov 11, 2013,=
 at 3:06 PM, Michael Anderson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mj=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tim=
es new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">I feel it makes a signi=
ficant difference. I also unbolt the bracket to lay the bonnet over on the w=
indscreen when doing any "serious" work in the engine compartment and the bo=
nnet definitely much heavier to lift without it engaged.<br><div><span><br><=
/span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Mike!</div><div><br><br></div><div>Michael=
 Anderson<br>One of a Kind Stuff/AEU<br>775 772-2056</div><br>  <div style=3D=
"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <d=
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 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Arch Boston &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br> <b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> List for the Z Magnette Group - N=
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>&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, No=
vember 10, 2013 9:58 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</=
span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] ZA hood<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_con=
tainer"><br>
Steve, I just popped the hood on my ZB...&nbsp; Looks as if all the holes an=
d screws are drilled in my hood for the ZA spring.&nbsp; If it reduces lift e=
ffort 50% it would be a modification well worth the doing!&nbsp; Do youall t=
hink lift effort would be reduced 50%???&nbsp; If it would, does anyone have=
 a spring on a parts car they would sell?&nbsp; Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPa=
d<br><br>On Nov 10, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Arch Boston &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; Steve so it doesn't solve weight problem, bummer=
!&nbsp; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Sent from my iPad<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Nov 10, 2013=
, at 11:44 AM, Steven Trovato &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Arch,<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; I have a ZA with the=
 original bonnet lift arrangement.&nbsp; I can take some
 pictures for you.&nbsp; I don't know if I would consider this to be a big i=
mprovement.&nbsp; The mechanism consists of the U-shaped spring part and a b=
racket part that holds the bonnet open instead of a prop rod.&nbsp; When I g=
ot the car, the joint in the bracket allowed the bracket to travel past its s=
top, which created a small dent in the bonnet.&nbsp; I guess it must make th=
e bonnet somewhat lighter.&nbsp; It's certainly not feather light, though.&n=
bsp; With the prop rod, you can open the bonnet extra high and prop it up wi=
th a broom stick or something, hopefully preventing some pain to the back of=
 your head.&nbsp; For big jobs, I will unbolt the bracket for this purpose.&=
nbsp; Biggest thing for your purpose, though, would be to have some sort of c=
omparison of the effective bonnet weight both ways.&nbsp; It would be a lot o=
f hassle to go through if it doesn't solve the problem.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;=
&gt; -Steve T.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; At 11:12 AM
 11/10/2013, Arch Boston wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Jeff with me function trumps=
 form.&nbsp; That being said would be good for someone "down the road" to be=
 able to return things to original.&nbsp; Fletcher I looked at the parts boo=
k.&nbsp; Sometimes the drawings are better than photos.&nbsp; However, I thi=
nk photos would be better this time.&nbsp; Has anyone had this conversion ma=
de/done. Arch<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; _____________________________________=
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From: Richard Greenberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:40:42 -0700

Hi all,
      This is about my TD, but I bet you folks can help. 
      I decided to drive the TD, instead of my Magnette, to our British car club's annual BBQ.  About 25 miles out, running at about 50 mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clattering and the oil pressure suddenly dropped to about 5 psi.  I had the poor car carried home.
      Any ideas about what happened? Rod bearing wiped out? Broken rocker arm?
      If it is one of those things, should I just make the repair, or is it time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?
Thanks,
Rick 
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From: "Gene deRuelle" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:07:23 -0800

My Magnette did something similar.  It started to clatter going up a hill at 
high RPM, then it grenaded.  It blew a fist size hole in the side of the 
block and noisily expired.  The cause?  Probably a failed rod bolt but there 
was nothing left to make a determination.  You should be glad you had it 
carried.  I'd drop the pan and check out the bearings.

Gene deRuelle

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Subject: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop

>      I decided to drive the TD, instead of my Magnette, to our British car 
> club's annual BBQ.  About 25 miles out, running at about 50 mph uphill but 
> not too hot, the engine started clattering and the oil pressure suddenly 
> dropped to about 5 psi.  I had the poor car carried home.
>      If it is one of those things, should I just make the repair, or is it 
> time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?
> Thanks,
> Rick
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From: Steven Trovato <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:25:31 -0500

Rick,

I think you have to investigate the problem before you can decide on 
a course of action.  Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is 
still  plenty of oil in there, right?  If something failed causing 
all the oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in 
oil pressure and a whole lot of clatter.  What is the state of this 
engine?  Recent rebuild or old and tired?

-Steve T.

At 06:40 PM 11/11/2013, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>       I decided to drive the TD, instead of my Magnette, to our 
> British car club's annual BBQ.  About 25 miles out, running at 
> about 50 mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clattering 
> and the oil pressure suddenly dropped to about 5 psi.  I had the 
> poor car carried home.
>       If it is one of those things, should I just make the repair, 
> or is it time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?
>Thanks,
>Rick

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:35:27 -0800

My guess is a broken crankshaft.  They commonly break at the first journal, 
make a load rattling sound and the oil pressure drops right off.
                         Cheers, Hugh

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From: Richard Greenberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:36:54 -0700

Still plenty of oil.  After I stopped, I restarted the engine to drive it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway.  The engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its history? I have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, although not super peppy.  

If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending bearing, or is it a sign that everything is about to need redoing?

I haven't had time to look at the rockers or the bearings.

--Rick

On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Steven Trovato wrote:

> Rick,
> 
> I think you have to investigate the problem before you can decide on a course of action.  Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is still  plenty of oil in there, right?  If something failed causing all the oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil pressure and a whole lot of clatter.  What is the state of this engine?  Recent rebuild or old and tired?
> 
> -Steve T.
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From: Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:12:49 -0500

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OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place.  If it's a =
bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail?  I rather =
like the broken crankshaft theory.  A friend of mine had that happen =
recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by for some time =
with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or too much.  =
If all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 miles per =
year, then that might be OK. If you want it right, do what it takes to =
make it right.  You may have to pull and disassemble quite a bit before =
you have your answer - and by that time, it will not make economic sense =
to put it back together with a minimal repair.  Most of us don't want to =
go this way more than once...

OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the Rallye to Reno =
due to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, turned out =
to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of course that =
was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...

FWIW,
Allen
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On Nov 11, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Richard Greenberg wrote:

> Still plenty of oil.  After I stopped, I restarted the engine to drive =
it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway.  The engine =
has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its history? I =
have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, although not super =
peppy. =20
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> If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending bearing, =
or is it a sign that everything is about to need redoing?
>> I think you have to investigate the problem before you can decide on =
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plenty of oil in there, right?  If something failed causing all the oil =
to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil pressure =
and a whole lot of clatter.  What is the state of this engine?  Recent =
rebuild or old and tired?
>>>     I decided to drive the TD, instead of my Magnette, to our =
British car club's annual BBQ.  About 25 miles out, running at about 50 =
mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clattering and the oil =
pressure suddenly dropped to about 5 psi.  I had the poor car carried =
home.
>>>     Any ideas about what happened? Rod bearing wiped out? Broken =
rocker arm?
>>>     If it is one of those things, should I just make the repair, or =
is it time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/[email-masked]
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<br><div><div>On Nov 11, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Richard Greenberg =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Still plenty of oil. &nbsp;After I stopped, I =
restarted the engine to drive it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe =
spot off the highway. &nbsp;The engine has never been rebuilt to my =
knowledge, but who knows its history? I have owned it about 15 years. It =
has always run fine, although not super peppy. &nbsp;<br><br>If it =
proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending bearing, or is =
it a sign that everything is about to need redoing?<br><br>I haven't had =
time to look at the rockers or the bearings.<br><br>--Rick<br><br><br>On =
Nov 11, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Steven Trovato wrote:<br><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Rick,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I think you =
have to investigate the problem before you can decide on a course of =
action. &nbsp;Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is still =
&nbsp;plenty of oil in there, right? &nbsp;If something failed causing =
all the oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in =
oil pressure and a whole lot of clatter. &nbsp;What is the state of this =
engine? &nbsp;Recent rebuild or old and =
tired?<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">-Steve =
T.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">At 06:40 PM 11/11/2013, Richard Greenberg =
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Hi all,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is =
about my TD, but I bet you folks can =
help.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I decided to drive the TD, =
instead of my Magnette, to our British car club's annual BBQ. =
&nbsp;About 25 miles out, running at about 50 mph uphill but not too =
hot, the engine started clattering and the oil pressure suddenly dropped =
to about 5 psi. &nbsp;I had the poor car carried =
home.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any ideas about what happened? =
Rod bearing wiped out? Broken rocker =
arm?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If it is one of those things, =
should I just make the repair, or is it time to have the whole engine =
rejuvenated?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Thanks,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Rick<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
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Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.  Take off or loosen the fan belt =
and see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a few degrees in =
either direction.  If you can the crank is almost certainly broken.  The =
"T" series cranks break whether the engine has been recently rebuilt or =
not and breakage appears independant of the engine overall condition.  =
The thought is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the crank at about =
4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank and it breaks.  With the stump =
pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph.  Do yourself a favour =
and change the ratio to 4.3:1.
    I broke one in the late 60's.  Picked up a used crank for $25 from a =
Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a complete set of bearings, =
pulled the motor, took off the pan and installed the 4/44 crank.  =
Nothing else was done.  After I had the parts this was done in less than =
one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any problem-mostly in =
the city of Sydney OZ.
             Hugh Pite
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Allen Bachelder=20
  To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
  Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop

  FWIW,
  Allen

    Still plenty of oil.  After I stopped, I restarted the engine to =
drive it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway.  The =
engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its =
history? I have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, =
although not super peppy. =20

    If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending =
bearing, or is it a sign that everything is about to need redoing?

    --Rick

      Rick,

      I think you have to investigate the problem before you can decide =
on a course of action.  Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is =
still  plenty of oil in there, right?  If something failed causing all =
the oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil =
pressure and a whole lot of clatter.  What is the state of this engine?  =
Recent rebuild or old and tired?

      -Steve T.

        Hi all,

            If it is one of those things, should I just make the repair, =
or is it time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?

        Thanks,

        Rick

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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 11, 2013 =
6:12=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Engine =
Clatter=20
  &amp; pressure drop</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some =
place.=20
  &nbsp;If it's a bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically =
fail?=20
  &nbsp;I rather like the broken crankshaft theory. &nbsp;A friend of =
mine had=20
  that happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by =
for some=20
  time with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or too =
much.=20
  &nbsp;If all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 =
miles per=20
  year, then that might be OK. If you want it right, do what it takes to =
make it=20
  right. &nbsp;You may have to pull and disassemble quite a bit before =
you have=20
  your answer - and by that time, it will not make economic sense to put =
it back=20
  together with a minimal repair. &nbsp;Most of us don't want to go this =
way=20
  more than once...
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the Rallye to =
Reno=20
  due to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, turned =
out to be=20
  valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of course that was =
not=20
  associated with a loss of oil pressure...</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>FWIW,</DIV>
  <DIV>Allen<BR>
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From: John Elwood <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:15:06 -0500

If it is the crank, a new one is a mere $2375.00 from lbcarco.   

I'm trying to think of what the most expensive single part I ever bought for an MG was...  Perhaps some $400 a gallon paint.  For a $300 car $400 in paint hurt.  Jaguar needed a $1700 convertible top, that was killer.  I was going to get chrome wire wheels for my MGB, but just could imagine paying $1300 on wheels...  Getting the tires removed tomorrow. Going to sandblast, paint, and seal the spokes with 3M window weld in a tubeless-attempt.  Putting on el cheapo "Vanderbilt Grand Prix RS" Chinese tires.   MG needs to learn a little Chinese, considering who owns MG now.  I'm thinking that crank is not Chinese.

-John

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:22:06 -0800

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I know a very good crank rebuilder here in WA so if it is broke he may be
able to fix it, on the other hand it could be the relief valve, the pump . 

Solution, pull the engine and begin investigations.

There isn't much of a short cut as whatever you need to do, you wont be able
to do much with the engine in situ.

Paul

PS I don't have a TD . but I do have 3 Ys/YTs and have rebuilt a few XPAGs
in my time.

Paul Barrow

153 Clemons Road

Montesano, WA 98563 USA

+1 360 249 5123 Landline

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From: [email-masked]
[mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of [email-masked]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 7:00 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop

Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.  Take off or loosen the fan belt and
see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a few degrees in either
direction.  If you can the crank is almost certainly broken.  The "T" series
cranks break whether the engine has been recently rebuilt or not and
breakage appears independant of the engine overall condition.  The thought
is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the crank at about 4100 rpm and
finally fatigues the crank and it breaks.  With the stump pulling 5.125 rear
ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph.  Do yourself a favour and change the ratio
to 4.3:1.

    I broke one in the late 60's  Picked up a used crank for $25 from a
Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a complete set of bearings, pulled
the motor, took off the pan and installed the 4/44 crank.  Nothing else was
done.  After I had the parts this was done in less than one day and I drove
the car for 10 years without any problem-mostly in the city of Sydney OZ.

             Hugh Pite

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America 

OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place  If it's a
bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail?  I rather like
the broken crankshaft theory.  A friend of mine had that happen recently
with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by for some time with a
minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or too much.  If all you
do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 miles per year, then that
might be OK. If you want it right, do what it takes to make it right.  You
may have to pull and disassemble quite a bit before you have your answer -
and by that time, it will not make economic sense to put it back together
with a minimal repair.  Most of us don't want to go this way more than
once... 

OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the Rallye to Reno due
to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, turned out to be
valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of course that was not
associated with a loss of oil pressure...

FWIW,

Allen

Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =iii=<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs

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http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs 

Still plenty of oil.  After I stopped, I restarted the engine to drive it
slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway.  The engine has
never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its history? I have owned
it about 15 years. It has always run fine, although not super peppy.  

If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending bearing, or is
it a sign that everything is about to need redoing?

--Rick

Rick,

I think you have to investigate the problem before you can decide on a
course of action.  Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is still  plenty
of oil in there, right?  If something failed causing all the oil to pour out
on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil pressure and a whole lot
of clatter.  What is the state of this engine?  Recent rebuild or old and
tired?

-Steve T.

Hi all,

Thanks,

Rick

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I know a very good crank rebuilder her=
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WA so if it is broke he may be able to fix it, on the other hand it could b=
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the relief valve, the pump &#8230; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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whatever you need to do, you wont be able to do much with the engine in sit=
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PS I don&#8217;t have a TD &#8230; but=
 I
do have 3 Ys/YTs and have rebuilt a few XPAGs in my time.<o:p></o:p></span>=
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[email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] =
<b><span
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 11, 2=
013
7:00 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> List for the Z Magnette =
Group
- North America<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] Eng=
ine
Clatter &amp; pressure drop</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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an
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.&nbsp; Take=
 off or
loosen the fan belt and see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a =
few
degrees in either direction.&nbsp; If you can the crank is almost certainly
broken.&nbsp; The &quot;T&quot; series cranks break whether the engine has =
been
recently rebuilt or not and breakage appears independant of the engine over=
all
condition.&nbsp; The thought is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the cr=
ank
at about 4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank and it breaks.&nbsp; With =
the
stump pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph.&nbsp; Do yourself =
a
favour and change the ratio to 4.3:1.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><sp=
an
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I broke one in the late 60's&=
nbsp;
Picked up a used crank for $25 from a Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked =
up a
complete set of bearings, pulled the motor, took off the pan and installed =
the
4/44 crank.&nbsp; Nothing else was done.&nbsp; After I had the parts this w=
as
done in less than one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any
problem-mostly in the city of <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">=
Sydney
  OZ.</st1:place></st1:City></span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hugh Pite</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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a
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">Allen B=
achelder</a>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]"=
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for the Z Magnette Group - North America</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, No=
vember
11, 2013 6:12 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D=
2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Zmagn=
ette]
Engine Clatter &amp; pressure drop<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D=
'font-size:
12.0pt'>OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place &nbsp;If
it's a bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail? &nbsp;I
rather like the broken crankshaft theory. &nbsp;A friend of mine had that
happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by for some t=
ime
with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or too much. &nbs=
p;If
all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 miles per year, =
then
that might be OK. If you want it right, do what it takes to make it right.
&nbsp;You may have to pull and disassemble quite a bit before you have your
answer - and by that time, it will not make economic sense to put it back
together with a minimal repair. &nbsp;Most of us don't want to go this way =
more
than once... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D=
'font-size:
12.0pt'>OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in <st1:State w:st=3D"on">Ka=
nsas</st1:State>
on the Rallye to <st1:City w:st=3D"on">Reno</st1:City> due to a horrible cl=
atter
that, after a tow back to <st1:State w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Mic=
higan</st1:place></st1:State>,
turned out to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of cour=
se
that was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...<o:p></o:p></span></f=
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engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its history? I
have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, although not super pe=
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If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending bearing, or i=
s it
a sign that everything is about to need redoing?<br>
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I haven't had time to look at the rockers or the bearings.<br>
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--Rick<br>
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On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Steven Trovato wrote:<br>
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&nbsp;plenty of oil in there, right? &nbsp;If something failed causing all =
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Magnette, to our British car club's annual BBQ. &nbsp;About 25 miles out,
running at about 50 mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clatteri=
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From: "Paul Barrow" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:31:14 -0800

Really?

And I happen to have a brand new, never used XPAG NOS crank sat here on my
self still in the original grease-wrap paper and delivery box!  Wow that is
worth knowing.

Paul

Paul Barrow
153 Clemons Road
Montesano, WA 98563 USA
+1 360 249 5123 Landline
-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked]
[mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of John Elwood
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 7:15 PM
To: [email-masked]; List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Cc: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop

I'm trying to think of what the most expensive single part I ever bought for
an MG was...  Perhaps some $400 a gallon paint.  For a $300 car $400 in
paint hurt.  Jaguar needed a $1700 convertible top, that was killer.  I was
going to get chrome wire wheels for my MGB, but just could imagine paying
$1300 on wheels...  Getting the tires removed tomorrow. Going to sandblast,
paint, and seal the spokes with 3M window weld in a tubeless-attempt.
Putting on el cheapo "Vanderbilt Grand Prix RS" Chinese tires.   MG needs to
learn a little Chinese, considering who owns MG now.  I'm thinking that
crank is not Chinese.

-John

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From: Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>
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My old self-imposed ceiling of 3500 rpm (for cruising, not accelerating) =
just keeps making more and more sense...

With the 4.3 rear end, the XPAG will go around 60 at 3500 rpm.  I'm =
starting to think that the stress I think I hear is real stress indeed.  =
Along with the XPAG, I can neither tolerate the sound of a B block =
"cruising" at much over 3500 rpm.  I'm told I'm horribly wrong and that =
the B blocks will run all day at 4400 rpm.  My own ears protect me from =
testing that theory.  You get much over 3500 and I simply cannot stand =
to listen to it.  I'm no longer enjoying the drive, so why would I be =
driving this car anyway?

FWIW,
Allen

>     I broke one in the late 60's.  Picked up a used crank for $25 from =
a Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a complete set of bearings, =
pulled the motor, took off the pan and installed the 4/44 crank.  =
Nothing else was done.  After I had the parts this was done in less than =
one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any problem-mostly in =
the city of Sydney OZ.
> From: Allen Bachelder
rocker arm?
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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://194/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
after-white-space; ">My old self-imposed ceiling of 3500 rpm (for =
cruising, not accelerating) just keeps making more and more =
sense...<div><br></div><div>With the 4.3 rear end, the XPAG will go =
around 60 at 3500 rpm. &nbsp;I'm starting to think that the stress I =
think I hear is real stress indeed. &nbsp;Along with the XPAG, I can =
neither tolerate the sound of a B block "cruising" at much over 3500 =
rpm. &nbsp;I'm told I'm horribly wrong and that the B blocks will run =
all day at 4400 rpm. &nbsp;My own ears protect me from testing that =
theory. &nbsp;You get much over 3500 and I simply cannot stand to listen =
to it. &nbsp;I'm no longer enjoying the drive, so why would I be driving =
this car anyway?</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW,</div><div>Allen<br><div>

<br><div><div>On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:59 PM, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><strong><font =
size=3D"4">Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.&nbsp; Take off or =
loosen the fan belt and see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley =
a few degrees in either direction.&nbsp; If you can the crank is almost =
certainly broken.&nbsp; The "T" series cranks break whether the engine =
has been recently rebuilt or not and breakage appears independant of the =
engine overall condition.&nbsp; The thought is that a harmonic vibration =
sets up in the crank at about 4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank =
and it breaks.&nbsp; With the stump pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is =
around 60mph.&nbsp; Do yourself a favour and change the ratio to =
4.3:1.</font></strong></div><div><strong><font =
size=3D"4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I broke one in the late 60's.&nbsp; Picked =
up a used crank for $25 from a Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a =
complete set of bearings, pulled the motor, took off the pan and =
installed the 4/44 crank.&nbsp; Nothing else was done.&nbsp; After I had =
the parts this was done in less than one day and I drove the car for 10 =
years without any problem-mostly in the city of Sydney =
OZ.</font></strong></div><div><strong><font =
size=3D"4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; Hugh Pite</font></strong></div><blockquote dir=3D"ltr" =
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normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div =
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initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; =
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initial; "><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Allen =
Bachelder</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">List for the Z Magnette Group - =
North America</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal =
10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, November 11, 2013 =
6:12 PM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; =
"><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: =
[Zmagnette] Engine Clatter &amp; pressure drop</div><div><br></div>OK, =
5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place. &nbsp;If it's a =
bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail? &nbsp;I =
rather like the broken crankshaft theory. &nbsp;A friend of mine had =
that happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by =
for some time with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard =
or too much. &nbsp;If all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - =
about 500 miles per year, then that might be OK. If you want it right, =
do what it takes to make it right. &nbsp;You may have to pull and =
disassemble quite a bit before you have your answer - and by that time, =
it will not make economic sense to put it back together with a minimal =
repair. &nbsp;Most of us don't want to go this way more than =
once...<div><br></div><div>OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in =
Kansas on the Rallye to Reno due to a horrible clatter that, after a tow =
back to Michigan, turned out to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered =
valve cover! Of course that was not associated with a loss of oil =
pressure...</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW,</div><div>Allen<br><div><span =
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Richard Greenberg wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Still =
plenty of oil. &nbsp;After I stopped, I restarted the engine to drive it =
slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway. &nbsp;The =
engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its =
history? I have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, =
although not super peppy. &nbsp;<br><br>If it proves to be a bearing, =
does one just fix the offending bearing, or is it a sign that everything =
is about to need redoing?<br><br>I haven't had time to look at the =
rockers or the bearings.<br><br>--Rick<br><br><br>On Nov 11, 2013, at =
5:25 PM, Steven Trovato wrote:<br><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Rick,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I think you =
have to investigate the problem before you can decide on a course of =
action. &nbsp;Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is still =
&nbsp;plenty of oil in there, right? &nbsp;If something failed causing =
all the oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in =
oil pressure and a whole lot of clatter. &nbsp;What is the state of this =
engine? &nbsp;Recent rebuild or old and =
tired?<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">-Steve =
T.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">At 06:40 PM 11/11/2013, Richard Greenberg =
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Hi all,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is =
about my TD, but I bet you folks can =
help.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I decided to drive the TD, instead =
of my Magnette, to our British car club's annual BBQ. &nbsp;About 25 =
miles out, running at about 50 mph uphill but not too hot, the engine =
started clattering and the oil pressure suddenly dropped to about 5 psi. =
&nbsp;I had the poor car carried =
home.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any ideas about what happened? Rod =
bearing wiped out? Broken rocker =
arm?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If it is one of those things, =
should I just make the repair, or is it time to have the whole engine =
rejuvenated?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
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Well folks, I tried to turn the crankshaft pulley, but it would not wiggle. T=
hat was encouraging. Then I inserted the starting crank and turned it. Every=
thing felt normal. That was encouraging. Then I pulled the pulley forward lo=
ngitudinally, by inserting a screwdriver between the pulley and the timing c=
over. It easily moved about 1/8 inch forward. That was disturbing. So I gues=
s I have a broken crankshaft, correct?

At least I have the Magnette running.

--Rick

On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "Paul Barrow" <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

> I know a very good crank rebuilder here in WA so if it is broke he may be a=
ble to fix it, on the other hand it could be the relief valve, the pump =E2=80=
=A6
> There isn=E2=80=99t much of a short cut as whatever you need to do, you wo=
nt be able to do much with the engine in situ.
> =20
> Paul
> PS I don=E2=80=99t have a TD =E2=80=A6 but I do have 3 Ys/YTs and have reb=
uilt a few XPAGs in my time.
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net] On Behalf Of [email-masked]
> Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.  Take off or loosen the fan belt and=
 see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a few degrees in either di=
rection.  If you can the crank is almost certainly broken.  The "T" series c=
ranks break whether the engine has been recently rebuilt or not and breakage=
 appears independant of the engine overall condition.  The thought is that a=
 harmonic vibration sets up in the crank at about 4100 rpm and finally fatig=
ues the crank and it breaks.  With the stump pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 r=
pm is around 60mph.  Do yourself a favour and change the ratio to 4.3:1.
>     I broke one in the late 60's  Picked up a used crank for $25 from a Wo=
rseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a complete set of bearings, pulled the=
 motor, took off the pan and installed the 4/44 crank.  Nothing else was don=
e.  After I had the parts this was done in less than one day and I drove the=
 car for 10 years without any problem-mostly in the city of Sydney OZ.
> OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place  If it's a bear=
ing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail?  I rather like the b=
roken crankshaft theory.  A friend of mine had that happen recently with his=
 TF. As to repair, you can always get by for some time with a minimalist app=
roach if you don't drive it too hard or too much.  If all you do is take it o=
ut on 40 mph club tours - about 500 miles per year, then that might be OK. I=
f you want it right, do what it takes to make it right.  You may have to pul=
l and disassemble quite a bit before you have your answer - and by that time=
, it will not make economic sense to put it back together with a minimal rep=
air.  Most of us don't want to go this way more than once...
> =20
> OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the Rallye to Reno due=
 to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, turned out to be v=
alve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of course that was not ass=
ociated with a loss of oil pressure...
> Still plenty of oil.  After I stopped, I restarted the engine to drive it s=
lowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway.  The engine has nev=
er been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its history? I have owned it a=
bout 15 years. It has always run fine, although not super peppy. =20
> If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending bearing, or i=
s it a sign that everything is about to need redoing?
>> I think you have to investigate the problem before you can decide on a co=
urse of action.  Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is still  plenty o=
f oil in there, right?  If something failed causing all the oil to pour out o=
n that hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil pressure and a whole lot of=
 clatter.  What is the state of this engine?  Recent rebuild or old and tire=
d?
>>>     I decided to drive the TD, instead of my Magnette, to our British ca=
r club's annual BBQ.  About 25 miles out, running at about 50 mph uphill but=
 not too hot, the engine started clattering and the oil pressure suddenly dr=
opped to about 5 psi.  I had the poor car carried home.
>>=20
>=20
>>=20
>>>     Any ideas about what happened? Rod bearing wiped out? Broken rocker a=
rm?
>>=20
>=20
>>=20
>>>     If it is one of those things, should I just make the repair, or is i=
t time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?
>> Donate: http://www.teamnet/donate.html
>=20
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Well folks, I tried to turn the cranksh=
aft pulley, but it would not wiggle. That was encouraging. Then I inserted t=
he starting crank and turned it. Everything felt normal. That was encouragin=
g. Then I pulled the pulley forward longitudinally, by inserting a screwdriv=
er between the pulley and the timing cover. It easily moved about 1/8 inch f=
orward. That was disturbing. So I guess I have a broken crankshaft, correct?=
</div><div><br></div><div>At least I have the Magnette running.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>--Rick<br><br>On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "Paul Barrow" &lt;<a=
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tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I know a very good crank rebuilder here=
 in
WA so if it is broke he may be able to fix it, on the other hand it could be=

the relief valve, the pump =E2=80=A6 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span s=
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tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Solution, pull the engine and begin
investigations.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">There isn=E2=80=99t much of a short cut=
 as
whatever you need to do, you wont be able to do much with the engine in situ=
.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
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tyle=3D"font-size:
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ut I
do have 3 Ys/YTs and have rebuilt a few XPAGs in my time.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;
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 face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">zmagnette-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a> [mailto:[email-masked]] <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">je=
[email-masked]</a><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 11, 20=
13
7:00 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> List for the Z Magnette G=
roup
- North America<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] Engi=
ne
Clatter &amp; pressure drop</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size=3D"4" face=3D"Times New Roman">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt">Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.&nbsp;=
 Take off or
loosen the fan belt and see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a f=
ew
degrees in either direction.&nbsp; If you can the crank is almost certainly
broken.&nbsp; The "T" series cranks break whether the engine has been
recently rebuilt or not and breakage appears independant of the engine overa=
ll
condition.&nbsp; The thought is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the cra=
nk
at about 4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank and it breaks.&nbsp; With t=
he
stump pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph.&nbsp; Do yourself a=

favour and change the ratio to 4.3:1.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p><=
/p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size=3D"4" face=3D"Times New Roman">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I broke one in the late 6=
0's&nbsp;
Picked up a used crank for $25 from a Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked u=
p a
complete set of bearings, pulled the motor, took off the pan and installed t=
he
4/44 crank.&nbsp; Nothing else was done.&nbsp; After I had the parts this wa=
s
done in less than one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any
problem-mostly in the city of <st1:city w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">S=
ydney
  OZ.</st1:place></st1:city></span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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<span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Hugh Pite</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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d">From:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ti=
tle=3D"[email-masked]">Allen Bachelder</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ce=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">List
for the Z Magnette Group - North America</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" f=
ace=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Monday, No=
vember
11, 2013 6:12 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D"=
2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Re: [Z=
magnette]
Engine Clatter &amp; pressure drop<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place &nbsp;If
it's a bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail? &nbsp;I
rather like the broken crankshaft theory. &nbsp;A friend of mine had that
happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by for some ti=
me
with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or too much. &nbsp=
;If
all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 miles per year, t=
hen
that might be OK. If you want it right, do what it takes to make it right.
&nbsp;You may have to pull and disassemble quite a bit before you have your
answer - and by that time, it will not make economic sense to put it back
together with a minimal repair. &nbsp;Most of us don't want to go this way m=
ore
than once... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in <st1:state w:st=3D"on">Kan=
sas</st1:state>
on the Rallye to <st1:city w:st=3D"on">Reno</st1:city> due to a horrible cla=
tter
that, after a tow back to <st1:state w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Mich=
igan</st1:place></st1:state>,
turned out to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of cours=
e
that was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

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engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its history? I
have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, although not super pep=
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If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending bearing, or is=
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I haven't had time to look at the rockers or the bearings.<br>
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--Rick<br>
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Magnette, to our British car club's annual BBQ. &nbsp;About 25 miles out,
running at about 50 mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clatterin=
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broke a crank on an XPAG in the TD.  Engine would start, and actually =
run.  Could even drive it.  Broke at sort of a 45, under a main bearing =
cap.  Wished I had the same source for a crank as Hugh.  Mine was about =
a thousand bucks for starters, and then we started rebuilding the engine =
after that . . . an engine supposedly rebuilt when I bought the car . . =
.  maybe not so much.

Good luck!  Mostly, may your "luck" be far better than mine.

#2SteveK
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Allen Bachelder=20
  To: [email-masked] ; List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop

  My old self-imposed ceiling of 3500 rpm (for cruising, not =
accelerating) just keeps making more and more sense...

  FWIW,
  Allen

  On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:59 PM, <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

    Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.  Take off or loosen the fan =
belt and see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a few degrees =
in either direction.  If you can the crank is almost certainly broken.  =
The "T" series cranks break whether the engine has been recently rebuilt =
or not and breakage appears independant of the engine overall condition. =
 The thought is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the crank at about =
4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank and it breaks.  With the stump =
pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph.  Do yourself a favour =
and change the ratio to 4.3:1.
        I broke one in the late 60's.  Picked up a used crank for $25 =
from a Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a complete set of =
bearings, pulled the motor, took off the pan and installed the 4/44 =
crank.  Nothing else was done.  After I had the parts this was done in =
less than one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any =
problem-mostly in the city of Sydney OZ.
                 Hugh Pite
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Allen Bachelder
      To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
      Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:12 PM
      Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop

      OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place.  If =
it's a bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail?  I =
rather like the broken crankshaft theory.  A friend of mine had that =
happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by for =
some time with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or =
too much.  If all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 =
miles per year, then that might be OK. If you want it right, do what it =
takes to make it right.  You may have to pull and disassemble quite a =
bit before you have your answer - and by that time, it will not make =
economic sense to put it back together with a minimal repair.  Most of =
us don't want to go this way more than once...

      OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the Rallye to =
Reno due to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, =
turned out to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of =
course that was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...

      FWIW,
      Allen

        --Rick

          Rick,

          I think you have to investigate the problem before you can =
decide on a course of action.  Sorry for stating the obvious, but there =
is still  plenty of oil in there, right?  If something failed causing =
all the oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in =
oil pressure and a whole lot of clatter.  What is the state of this =
engine?  Recent rebuild or old and tired?

          -Steve T.

            Hi all,

                I decided to drive the TD, instead of my Magnette, to =
our British car club's annual BBQ.  About 25 miles out, running at about =
50 mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clattering and the oil =
pressure suddenly dropped to about 5 psi.  I had the poor car carried =
home.

                Any ideas about what happened? Rod bearing wiped out? =
Broken rocker arm?

                If it is one of those things, should I just make the =
repair, or is it time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?

            Thanks,

            Rick

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  <DIV>On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:59 PM, &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt; &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt; =
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>Easy to tell if it is a broken =
crank.&nbsp; Take=20
    off or loosen the fan belt and see if you can easily move the =
crankshaft=20
    pulley a few degrees in either direction.&nbsp; If you can the crank =
is=20
    almost certainly broken.&nbsp; The "T" series cranks break whether =
the=20
    engine has been recently rebuilt or not and breakage appears =
independant of=20
    the engine overall condition.&nbsp; The thought is that a harmonic =
vibration=20
    sets up in the crank at about 4100 rpm and finally fatigues the =
crank and it=20
    breaks.&nbsp; With the stump pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is =
around=20
    60mph.&nbsp; Do yourself a favour and change the ratio to=20
    4.3:1.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I broke one in the =
late=20
    60's.&nbsp; Picked up a used crank for $25 from a Worseley 4/44, had =
it=20
    ground, picked up a complete set of bearings, pulled the motor, took =
off the=20
    pan and installed the 4/44 crank.&nbsp; Nothing else was done.&nbsp; =
After I=20
    had the parts this was done in less than one day and I drove the car =
for 10=20
    years without any problem-mostly in the city of Sydney=20
    OZ.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT=20
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    Hugh Pite</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; =
background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN=20
      class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><A =
title=[email-masked]=20
      href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Allen Bachelder</A></DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN=20
      class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><A =
title=[email-masked]=20
      href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">List for the Z Magnette =
Group -=20
      North America</A></DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN=20
      class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>Monday, November 11, =
2013 6:12=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN=20
      class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>Re: [Zmagnette] Engine =
Clatter=20
      &amp; pressure drop</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging =
some place.=20
      &nbsp;If it's a bearing, why should just one bearing =
catastrophically=20
      fail? &nbsp;I rather like the broken crankshaft theory. &nbsp;A =
friend of=20
      mine had that happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can =
always=20
      get by for some time with a minimalist approach if you don't drive =
it too=20
      hard or too much. &nbsp;If all you do is take it out on 40 mph =
club tours=20
      - about 500 miles per year, then that might be OK. If you want it =
right,=20
      do what it takes to make it right. &nbsp;You may have to pull and=20
      disassemble quite a bit before you have your answer - and by that =
time, it=20
      will not make economic sense to put it back together with a =
minimal=20
      repair. &nbsp;Most of us don't want to go this way more than =
once...
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the =
Rallye to=20
      Reno due to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, =
turned=20
      out to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of =
course=20
      that was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>FWIW,</DIV>
      <DIV>Allen<BR>
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      <DIV>On Nov 11, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Richard Greenberg =
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        <DIV>Still plenty of oil. &nbsp;After I stopped, I restarted the =
engine=20
        to drive it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the =
highway.=20
        &nbsp;The engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who =
knows=20
        its history? I have owned it about 15 years. It has always run =
fine,=20
        although not super peppy. &nbsp;<BR><BR>If it proves to be a =
bearing,=20
        does one just fix the offending bearing, or is it a sign that =
everything=20
        is about to need redoing?<BR><BR>I haven't had time to look at =
the=20
        rockers or the bearings.<BR><BR>--Rick<BR><BR><BR>On Nov 11, =
2013, at=20
        5:25 PM, Steven Trovato wrote:<BR><BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Rick,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">I think you have to investigate the =
problem=20
          before you can decide on a course of action. &nbsp;Sorry for =
stating=20
          the obvious, but there is still &nbsp;plenty of oil in there, =
right?=20
          &nbsp;If something failed causing all the oil to pour out on =
that=20
          hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil pressure and a whole =
lot of=20
          clatter. &nbsp;What is the state of this engine? &nbsp;Recent =
rebuild=20
          or old and tired?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">-Steve T.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">At 06:40 PM 11/11/2013, Richard =
Greenberg=20
          wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Hi =
all,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is =
about my TD,=20
            but I bet you folks can help.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I decided to =
drive=20
            the TD, instead of my Magnette, to our British car club's =
annual=20
            BBQ. &nbsp;About 25 miles out, running at about 50 mph =
uphill but=20
            not too hot, the engine started clattering and the oil =
pressure=20
            suddenly dropped to about 5 psi. &nbsp;I had the poor car =
carried=20
            home.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any ideas =
about what=20
            happened? Rod bearing wiped out? Broken rocker=20
        arm?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If it is one =
of=20
            those things, should I just make the repair, or is it time =
to have=20
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        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE =
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        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Rick<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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From: "David F. Darby" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:08:02 -0600

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Similarly, Barney Gaylord reported breaking a crank some years ago on the
B-series engine in his MGA. He wondered why it was down on power and noticed
that with the engine running the front pulley wasn't rotating.

David

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From: [email-masked]
[mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:43 AM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop

broke a crank on an XPAG in the TD.  Engine would start, and actually run.
Could even drive it.  Broke at sort of a 45, under a main bearing cap. 

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