Subject: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB <[email-masked]> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>

From: charles durning <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:58:53 -0600

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I picked up a '69 MGB engine with the intension fo installing it into my ZB
Magnette.  The seller threw in the 4 synchro trans also.  I do have the
3.90 rearend so I'm satisfied with the crusing speed, for now.

My question is; has anyone put a 4 synchro trans in a ZB?  It looks like
the MGB remote shifter will locate the shift lever too far back to be
usable.  Is there a shifter tower that will bolt on in place of the remote
shifter?

Charlie Durning

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I picked up a &#39;69 MGB engine with the intension f=
o installing it into my ZB Magnette.=A0 The seller threw in the 4 synchro t=
rans also.=A0 I do have the 3.90 rearend so I&#39;m satisfied with the crus=
ing speed, for now.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>My question is; has anyone put a 4 synchro trans in a ZB=
?=A0 It looks like the MGB=A0remote shifter will=A0locate the shift lever=
=A0too far back to be usable.=A0 Is there a shifter tower that will bolt on=
 in place of the remote shifter?<br clear=3D"all">
</div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compare  a 3 
sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is noticeably  different.  
I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work  with a BIG 
hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still a tight  fit.  I 
can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
 
I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and  
probably cheaper.
 
Lann 

In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[email-masked] writes:

Robert,
 
I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would  still 
be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking about  
eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the  trans 
where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the car and  do some 
measuring to see if that would be close.
 
It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct  
shifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.

Charlie Durning

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <[email-masked] 
(mailto:[email-masked]) > wrote:

http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html

On  the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB 
engine  and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
It includes a pic  of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and 
a new  tunnel.

I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods  needed for a 
3-synchro box might not be great.
I also love the sound of  the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)

regards,
--  
Robert  

On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:

Charlie,
Even without overdrive, the remote shifter  on the MGB 4-sync sits
high and your going to have to substantially  reshape the transmission
tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious  price to pay for a
synchronized first gear. If you're going to that  much trouble, you
might as well go five-speed.

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  <DIV>I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.&nbsp; It w=
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a dir=
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  shifter.&nbsp; That would keep me from having to make something.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>Charlie Durning</DIV>
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=20
    href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html=
"=20
    target=3D_blank>http://www.beardmorebros.co.<U></U>uk/website%20pages/D=
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a pic=20
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ods=20
    needed for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<BR>I also love the sound=
 of=20
    the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<BR><BR>regards,<BR>--=
=20
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    class=3Dgmail_quote>Charlie,<BR>Even without overdrive, the remote shif=
ter=20
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y=20
      reshape the transmission<BR>tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious=
=20
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From: "Steve Kirby" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:09:50 -0800

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It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to =
offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many, =
mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late B =
synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things he =
had to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is =
much higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded =
him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.

#2SteveK
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: [email-masked]=20
  To: [email-masked]=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB

  Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compare =
a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is noticeably =
different.  I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of =
work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still =
a tight fit.  I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.

  I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, =
and probably cheaper.

  Lann=20

  In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, =
[email-masked] writes:
    Robert,

    I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would =
still be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking about =
eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening =
on the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the =
car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.

    It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a =
direct shifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.

    Charlie Durning

    On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

      On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an =
MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
      It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to =
fit, and a new tunnel.

      I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
      I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, =
eh? :-)

      regards,
      --=20
      Robert=20

        Charlie,
        Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync =
sits
        high and your going to have to substantially reshape the =
transmission
        tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
        synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, =
you
        might as well go five-speed.

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  trans in ZB</DIV>
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  <DIV>Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 =
sync.&nbsp;=20
  Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.&nbsp; The transmission tunnel is=20
  noticeably different.&nbsp; I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it =
takes a=20
  lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.&nbsp; Even =
then, its=20
  still a tight fit.&nbsp; I can't imagine a Magnette would be any =
easier.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, =
easier, and=20
  probably cheaper.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Lann&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard =
Time,=20
  [email-masked] writes:</DIV>
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face=3DArial>
    <DIV>Robert,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.&nbsp; =
It=20
    would still be too far back, not to mention the height.&nbsp; I was =
thinking=20
    about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to =
the=20
    opening on the trans where the remote attaches.&nbsp; I still have =
to get=20
    under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be =
close.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with =
a direct=20
    shifter.&nbsp; That would keep me from having to make =
something.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Charlie Durning</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D4>If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is =

    watching.</FONT></DIV>
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dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A=20
    title=3Dmailto:[email-masked] =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
    target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
    class=3Dgmail_quote><BR><A=20
      title=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website =
pages/Dads_Oxford.html"=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =

      =
target=3D_blank>http://www.beardmorebros.co.<U></U>uk/website%20pages/Dad=
s_<U></U>Oxford.html</A><BR><BR>On=20
      the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB =
engine=20
      and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.<BR>It =
includes a=20
      pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a new =

      tunnel.<BR><BR>I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all =
the mods=20
      needed for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<BR>I also love the =
sound of=20
      the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? =
:-)<BR><BR>regards,<BR>--=20
      <BR>Robert=20
      <DIV class=3Dim><BR><BR>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder =
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      class=3Dgmail_quote>Charlie,<BR>Even without overdrive, the remote =
shifter=20
        on the MGB 4-sync sits<BR>high and your going to have to =
substantially=20
        reshape the transmission<BR>tunnel to make it fit. That's a =
ferocious=20
        price to pay for a<BR>synchronized first gear. If you're going =
to that=20
        much trouble, you<BR>might as well go=20
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From: charles durning <[email-masked]>
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Steve,

Thanks

Charlie Durning

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Steve Kirby <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to
> offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many,
> mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb
> header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late B
> synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things he had
> to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much
> higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded him a
> bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
>
> #2SteveK
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* [email-masked]
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>
> eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on
> the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the car and
> do some measuring to see if that would be close.
>
>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit,
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<div>Steve,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks<br clear=3D"all"></div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Steve Kirby <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><u></u>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">It is not my place to answer=
 this, and it is further not my place to offer up this answer, but I will a=
nyway!=A0 One of my first, of many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Stev=
e Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up many of us have purchased.=
=A0 Steve did put a full late B synchro in his.=A0 I do remember Steve desc=
ribing the various things he had to do.=A0 Steve is a person of immense tal=
ents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine.=A0 Perhaps Steve will answ=
er, now that I&#39;ve prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directl=
y.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">#2SteveK</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING=
-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
<div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked].=
net" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">zmagnette@a=
utox.team.net</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29=
 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MG=
B trans in ZB</div>
<div><br></div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">
<div>Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.=A0 Compar=
e a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.=A0 The transmission tunnel is noticeably diff=
erent.=A0 I&#39;ve put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work=
 with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.=A0 Even then, its still a ti=
ght fit.=A0 I can&#39;t imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, an=
d probably cheaper.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Lann=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>
<div>In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">durningcharles@g=
mail.com</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEF=
T:5px"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#000000" face=
=3D"Arial">
<div>Robert,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I didn&#39;t think that even modifying the remote would work.=A0 It wo=
uld still be too far back, not to mention the height.=A0 I was thinking abo=
ut eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening =
on the trans where the remote attaches.=A0 I still have to get under the ca=
r and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direc=
t shifter.=A0 That would keep me from having to make something.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a title=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:monster@c=
averock.net.nz" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><a title=3D"http://www.beardmoreb=
ros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.=
co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.beardm=
orebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>Oxford.html</a><br>
<br>On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB e=
ngine and 4-synchro+overdrive &#39;box to a 1960&#39;s Farina Oxford.<br>It=
 includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a =
new tunnel.<br>
<br>I&#39;d agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the non=
-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<br><br>regards,<br>-- <br>Robert=
=20
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DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Charlie,<br>Even without overdrive, t=
he remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and your going to have to =
substantially reshape the transmission<br>
tunnel to make it fit. That&#39;s a ferocious price to pay for a<br>synchro=
nized first gear. If you&#39;re going to that much trouble, you<br>might as=
 well go five-speed.<br></blockquote><br></div>
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As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.
-- 
Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Steve Kirby <[email-masked]> wrote:

It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late B synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things he had to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.

#2SteveK

----- Original Message ----- 

From: [email-masked] 

To: [email-masked] 

Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.  I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still a tight fit.  I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.

I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.

Lann 

In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email-masked] writes:

Robert,

I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would still be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.

It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.

Charlie Durning

On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a new tunnel.

I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)

regards,
-- 
Robert 

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bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 rightMargin=7 topMargin=7 bgColor=#ffffff>As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.<br>
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Sent from my Android phone with <a href="http://mail.com">mail.com</a> Mail. Please excuse my brevity.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Steve Kirby &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">It is not my place to answer this, and 
it is further not my place to offer up this answer, but I will anyway!&nbsp; One 
of my first, of many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he 
of thee superb header set up many of us have purchased.&nbsp; Steve did put a 
full late B synchro in his.&nbsp; I do remember Steve describing the various 
things he had to do.&nbsp; Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay 
grade is much higher than mine.&nbsp; Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've 
prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">#2SteveK</FONT></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=[email-masked] href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked] 
  href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB 
  trans in ZB</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=role_document color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>
  <DIV>Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.&nbsp; 
  Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.&nbsp; The transmission tunnel is 
  noticeably different.&nbsp; I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a 
  lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.&nbsp; Even then, its 
  still a tight fit.&nbsp; I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and 
  probably cheaper.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Lann&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
  [email-masked] writes:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE 
  style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><FONT 
    style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>
    <DIV>Robert,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.&nbsp; It 
    would still be too far back, not to mention the height.&nbsp; I was thinking 
    about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the 
    opening on the trans where the remote attaches.&nbsp; I still have to get 
    under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct 
    shifter.&nbsp; That would keep me from having to make something.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Charlie Durning</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=4>If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is 
    watching.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
    <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <SPAN dir=ltr>&lt;<A 
    title=mailto:[email-masked] href="mailto:[email-masked]" 
    target=_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE 
    style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
    class=gmail_quote><BR><A 
      title="http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" 
      href="http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" 
      target=_blank>http://www.beardmorebros.co.<U></U>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<U></U>Oxford.html</A><BR><BR>On 
      the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB engine 
      and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.<BR>It includes a 
      pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a new 
      tunnel.<BR><BR>I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods 
      needed for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<BR>I also love the sound of 
      the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<BR><BR>regards,<BR>-- 
      <BR>Robert 
      <DIV class=im><BR><BR>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE 
      style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
      class=gmail_quote>Charlie,<BR>Even without overdrive, the remote shifter 
        on the MGB 4-sync sits<BR>high and your going to have to substantially 
        reshape the transmission<BR>tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious 
        price to pay for a<BR>synchronized first gear. If you're going to that 
        much trouble, you<BR>might as well go 
      five-speed.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>
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From: Mike <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:03:24 -0800 (PST)

+1 to what SteveC said. Earlier this year I installed a HiGear kit in my MGA. It came with everything I needed, down to the oil for the gearbox, and it all fit. I had to drill four small holes in the driveshaft tunnel rails for the new transmission mount – that was the only modification. The kit even came with a right-angle gearbox for the speedometer drive, so I could use the MGA's speedo cable and leave the speedo's calibration alone.

According to HiGear's website, the Magnette kit is similar. The main difference is that they supply the MGA bellhousing, so you have to move the slave cylinder from the top to low on the right side, a la the MGA. The site had a note that if there was enough demand, they'd make a Magnette-specific bellhousing, but I doubt that will happen.

Regarding changing the axle gears, yes, this works, but IMHO a 3.9 gearset from an early MGB is too tall for a Magnette with its original 1500. Granted, I live in a hilly area (San Francisco), but the car was also slow to merge onto the freeways even on level ground. The car now carries a 4.3 from an MGA, which seems to be a much better compromise.

But when the Magnette's transmission wears out, I'm getting a 5-speed kit for it. No doubt about it. Well, once I've saved up – they aren't cheap.

Mike

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On Wed, 11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
 To: "List for the Z Magnette Group - North America" <[email-masked]>
 Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 10:05 AM
 
As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it on two different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit in question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.

Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty darn easy.  The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.  Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter opening.  In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it.  I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion.  In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and transmission spline.  

If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.   I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.

One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort.  But then I get on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.

FWIW,
Allen
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Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
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