Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB <[email-masked]> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>

From: Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:05:07 -0500

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As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z =
five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it on =
two different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a =
bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit in =
question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is =
available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a =
purpose-built version for the Magnette.

Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty =
darn easy.  The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.  =
Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun =
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening.  In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture =
shows how I dealt with it.  I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in =
case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion.  In this sense, in =
answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I =
actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG =
transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old =
Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint =
yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has =
it's own front yoke and transmission spline. =20

If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.   I did =
rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its =
new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.

One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission choice, =
first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, =
a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy two-hour job. =
You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with =
the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in =
while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and =
while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our =
interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, I =
started wondering why I had gone to all this effort.  But then I get on =
the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy =
to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.

FWIW,
Allen
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Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
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On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:

> As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in =
my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so =
much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost =
no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to =
build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, =
speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame =
and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift =
tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.
> --=20
> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.
>=20
> Steve Kirby <[email-masked]> wrote:
> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to =
offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many, =
mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late B =
synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things he =
had to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is =
much higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded =
him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
> =20
> #2SteveK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [email-masked]
> To: [email-masked]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>=20
> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compare =
a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is noticeably =
different.  I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of =
work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still =
a tight fit.  I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
> =20
> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, =
and probably cheaper.
> =20
> Lann=20
> =20
> In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, =
[email-masked] writes:
> Robert,
> =20
> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would =
still be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking about =
eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening =
on the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the =
car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.
> =20
> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a =
direct shifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.
> =20
> =20
> Charlie Durning
> =20
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
>=20
> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB =
engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, =
and a new tunnel.
>=20
> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for =
a 3-synchro box might not be great.
> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? =
:-)
>=20
> regards,
> --=20
> Robert
>=20
>=20
> On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
> Charlie,
> Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits
> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the transmission
> tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
> synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you
> might as well go five-speed.
>=20
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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://205/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; ">As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is =
with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate =
kit. &nbsp;I've done it on two different Magnettes. &nbsp;The kit is =
designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but it =
isn't rocket science. &nbsp;The bit in question is the transmission =
mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or =
Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the =
Magnette.<div><br></div><div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I =
can say that it is pretty darn easy. &nbsp;The pictures show the only =
modifications done to the car. &nbsp;Bear in mind that the PO had =
converted the car to the Datsun transmission with a kit homemade by his =
mechanic. The second picture shows how much material was removed from =
the back of the shifter opening. &nbsp;In fact, this is more than =
necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it. &nbsp;I =
chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to =
reverse the conversion. &nbsp;In this sense, in answer to frequent =
criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more =
original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another advantage =
to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - =
requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the =
Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and transmission =
spline. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>If I recall correctly, I used an =
early MGB shift-lever boot. &nbsp; I did rework the flange of the =
shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its new location. The PO =
didn't use a tower at all.</div><div><br></div><div>One more thought. =
&nbsp;If you're undecided about the transmission choice, first try =
replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if =
you can find one), or a 3.9. &nbsp;This is an easy two-hour job. You =
might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the =
higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in =
while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and =
while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our =
interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed. &nbsp;For awhile there, =
I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort. &nbsp;But then I =
get on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm =
sure happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per =
1,000 =
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<br><div><div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div id=3D"role_body" =
bottommargin=3D"7" leftmargin=3D"7" rightmargin=3D"7" topmargin=3D"7" =
bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
"><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"2">As Steve K states I =
installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not even =
consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The =
come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to the =
car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear =
transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box =
and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a =
clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do =
not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.</font><br><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"2">--</font><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
">&nbsp;</span><br><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"2">Sent from =
my Android phone with</font><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"http://mail.com" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">mail.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
">&nbsp;</span><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"2">Mail. Please =
excuse my brevity.</font><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"2">Steve Kirby &lt;</font><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
">[email-masked]</a><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"2">&gt; =
wrote:</font><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0pt; =
margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: =
rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; "><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">It is not my place to answer =
this, and it is further not my place to offer up this answer, but I will =
anyway!&nbsp; One of my first, of many, mentors, in the Magnette World =
was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up many of us have =
purchased.&nbsp; Steve did put a full late B synchro in his.&nbsp; I do =
remember Steve describing the various things he had to do.&nbsp; Steve =
is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much higher than =
mine.&nbsp; Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded him a bit, =
or Charlie can contact him directly.</font></div><div style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; "><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"></font>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; "><font =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">#2SteveK</font></div><blockquote =
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"><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: =
initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; =
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"><b>From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a></div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; =
"><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a></div=
><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, November 26, 2013 =
8:29 AM</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal =
10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro =
MGB trans in ZB</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><font =
id=3D"role_document" color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial"><div =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider =
than the 3 sync.&nbsp; Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.&nbsp; The =
transmission tunnel is noticeably different.&nbsp; I've put a 4 sync in =
and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet =
metal around.&nbsp; Even then, its still a tight fit.&nbsp; I can't =
imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div><div style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">I think Allen is =
right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and probably =
cheaper.</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">Lann&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">In a message =
dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>writes:</div><blockquote =
style=3D"border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 2px; =
border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; position: =
static; z-index: auto; "><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial" =
style=3D"background-color: transparent; "><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
">Robert,</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">I didn't think that even modifying the =
remote would work.&nbsp; It would still be too far back, not to mention =
the height.&nbsp; I was thinking about eleminating the remote and =
mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans where the =
remote attaches.&nbsp; I still have to get under the car and do some =
measuring to see if that would be close.</div><div style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">It would be good if =
some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.&nbsp; That =
would keep me from having to make something.</div><div style=3D"font-size:=
 10pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">Charlie =
Durning</div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
">&nbsp;</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; ">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
title=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex; "><br><a title=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website =
pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =
href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Da=
ds_<u></u>Oxford.html</a><br><br>On the above page are some photos and a =
description of fitting an MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a =
1960's Farina Oxford.<br>It includes a pic of shortening the remote =
gearlever extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<br><br>I'd agree that the =
benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a 3-synchro box =
might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st =
gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>Robert<div =
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remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and your going to have to =
substantially reshape the transmission<br>tunnel to make it fit. That's =
a ferocious price to pay for a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're =
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From: charles durning <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:22:08 -0600

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Allen,

Thanks for the response.  I'm not intending on using a MGB OD transmission
just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.  My concern was with the
location of the shifter.  I'm thinking that with a little fabrication I can
relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote control.  I might
even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.  I'll compare the 2 when I
get it out sometime in the future.

A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed from
a wrecked MGB.  It's FREE.  I looked it over and it looks like the sfift
lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.  It looks like a
major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.  I would use it if
I can work out relocating the shift lever.

Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider using
the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.  I could keep the
3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb engine.

BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsun
200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.

Charlie Durning

If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder <[email-masked]>wrote:

> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z
> five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it on two
> different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of
> fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit in question
> is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from
> either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built
> version for the Magnette.
>
> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty darn
> easy.  The pictures show the only modifications done to the car.  Bear in
> mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission with a
> kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much material
> was removed from the back of the shifter opening.  In fact, this is more
> than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it.  I chose
> not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse
> the conversion.  In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by using a
> Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I would
> have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that
> the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front
> U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course
> has it's own front yoke and transmission spline.
>
> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot.   I did
> rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its
> One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission choice,
> first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, a
> 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy two-hour job. You
> might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the
> higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in while
> visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while we
> never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates), they
> seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, I started wondering why I
> had gone to all this effort.  But then I get on the I-69 here in Michigan
> with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, along
> with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.
>
> FWIW,
> Allen
>   ******************************************************************
>
> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =iii=<Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs*
> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
>
> ******************************************************************
>
>  As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my
> ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much
> easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost no
> modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to build
> a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear
> box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a
> clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not
> remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to
>> offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of many,
>> mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb
>> header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full late B
>> synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various things he had
>> to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much
>> higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded him a
>> bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
>>
>> #2SteveK
>>
>> *From:* [email-masked]
>> *To:* [email-masked]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>
>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  Compare a 3
>> sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.
>> I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG
>> hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, its still a tight fit.  I
>> can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>
>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and
>> probably cheaper.
>>
>> Lann
>>
>>  In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  It would still
>> be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was thinking about
>> eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on
>> the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to get under the car and
>> do some measuring to see if that would be close.
>>
>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct
>> shifter.  That would keep me from having to make something.
>>
>>
>> Charlie Durning
>>
>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB
>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit,
>>> and a new tunnel.
>>>
>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a
>>> 3-synchro box might not be great.
>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> --
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
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<div>Allen,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks for the response.=A0 I&#39;m not intending on using a MGB OD tr=
ansmission just the NON OD=A0trans that came with the engine.=A0 My concern=
 was with the location of the shifter.=A0 I&#39;m thinking that with a litt=
le fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote=
 control.=A0 I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.=A0 I&#=
39;ll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>A friend has a used Ford=A0Sierra trans and=A0the adaptor parts he rem=
oved from a wrecked MGB.=A0 It&#39;s FREE.=A0 I looked it over and=A0it loo=
ks like the sfift lever would=A0interfere with the parking brake lever also=
.=A0 It looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.=
=A0 I would use it if I=A0can work out=A0relocating the shift lever. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that&#39;s why I would consid=
er=A0using the NON=A0OD MGB 4 synchro=A0trans that came with the engine.=A0=
 I could keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5=
 mb engine.=A0=A0</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsu=
n 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.=A0<br clear=3D"a=
ll"></div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelde=
r <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way to d=
o this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a &quot;Z&quot; in it!) a=
nd a Rivergate kit. =A0I&#39;ve done it on two different Magnettes. =A0The =
kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but=
 it isn&#39;t rocket science. =A0The bit in question is the transmission mo=
unt. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Woo=
dson and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
<div><br></div>
<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty d=
arn easy. =A0The pictures show the only modifications done to the car. =A0B=
ear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission wi=
th a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much materi=
al was removed from the back of the shifter opening. =A0In fact, this is mo=
re than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it. =A0I ch=
ose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to revers=
e the conversion. =A0In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by usi=
ng a Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I wo=
uld have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is tha=
t the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U=
-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course ha=
s it&#39;s own front yoke and transmission spline. =A0</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot. =A0 I did=
 rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its n=
ew location. The PO didn&#39;t use a tower at all.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>One more thought. =A0If you&#39;re undecided about the transmission ch=
oice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4=
.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. =A0This is an easy two-hour job.=
 You might find that even with the original gearbox, you&#39;re happy with =
the higher-geared rear end. It&#39;s interesting that the two ZAs I rode in=
 while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and whil=
e we never went on the &quot;M roads&quot; with them (equivalent to our int=
erstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed. =A0For awhile there, I starte=
d wondering why I had gone to all this effort. =A0But then I get on the I-6=
9 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I&#39;m sure happy to ha=
ve my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT:normal;TEXT-TRANSFORM:=
none;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;TEXT-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:=
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T-WEIGHT:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><font>As Steve K state=
s I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not eve=
n consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The c=
ome with everything you need and require almost no modifications to the car=
. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmission moun=
t, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal=
 with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I a=
lso did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I t=
hink that covers it all.</font><br>
<font>--</font><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><br><font>Sent from=
 my Android phone with</font><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><a st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/" target=3D"_blank">mail.com=
</a><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><font>Mail. Please excuse my b=
revity.</font><br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><font>Steve Kirby &lt;</font><a style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE:10pt" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">skirby210@cox.=
net</a><font>&gt; wrote:</font>=20
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">It =
is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offer up =
this answer, but I will anyway!=A0 One of my first, of many, mentors, in th=
e Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up ma=
ny of us have purchased.=A0 Steve did put a full late B synchro in his.=A0 =
I do remember Steve describing the various things he had to do.=A0 Steve is=
 a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine.=A0=
 Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I&#39;ve prodded him a bit, or Charlie=
 can contact him directly.</font></div>

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ont>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">#2S=
teveK</font></div>
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<div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228);FONT:10pt arial"><b>From:</=
b><span>=A0</span><a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span>=A0</span><a title=3D"zmagne=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>=A0</span>Tuesday, Novembe=
r 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>=A0</span>Re: [Zmagnett=
e] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><br></div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Ari=
al">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider t=
han the 3 sync.=A0 Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.=A0 The transmission =
tunnel is noticeably different.=A0 I&#39;ve put a 4 sync in and early MGB a=
nd it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.=A0 =
Even then, its still a tight fit.=A0 I can&#39;t imagine a Magnette would b=
e any easier.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed wou=
ld be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann=A0</div>
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<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. C=
entral Standard Time,<span>=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:durningcharles@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span>=A0</span>writes:=
</div>

<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEF=
T:5px"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#000000" face=
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn&#39;t think that even modifying the re=
mote would work.=A0 It would still be too far back, not to mention the heig=
ht.=A0 I was thinking about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter=
 directly to the opening on the trans where the remote attaches.=A0 I still=
 have to get under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be cl=
ose.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 s=
ynchro trans with a direct shifter.=A0 That would keep me from having to ma=
ke something.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div></div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at=
 1:58 AM,<span>=A0</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a title=3D"mailto:monster@c=
averock.net.nz" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span>=A0</span>wrote:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><a title=3D"http://ww=
w.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href=3D"http://www.be=
ardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>Oxford.html</a=
><br>
<br>On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB e=
ngine and 4-synchro+overdrive &#39;box to a 1960&#39;s Farina Oxford.<br>It=
 includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a =
new tunnel.<br>
<br>I&#39;d agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the non=
-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span>=A0</=
span><br>
Robert=20
<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Charlie,<br>Even without =
overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and your going=
 to have to substantially reshape the transmission<br>
tunnel to make it fit. That&#39;s a ferocious price to pay for a<br>synchro=
nized first gear. If you&#39;re going to that much trouble, you<br>might as=
 well go five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></bloc=
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Mike and Charles,

Yeah,  I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a =
challenge on Lombard Hill!  I guess my consideration of rear gears =
presumed the 1800 was already in the picture.=20

I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can see =
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - =
there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.  Also =
note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.  It clears =
the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z =
was Rivergate's choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked =
the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the =
six-cylinder engine.  They do have kits designed to fit the 210 =
five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe they =
also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on =
occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a =
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up =
front.  The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the =
280Z 5-speeds are drying up also.  BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
T5 bull pen.  We may have another option before long.  Hopefully =
somebody who knows more than I will speak to this.

I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more =
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little =
return for your money and effort.  It would be nice to capitalize on =
that free one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the =
2nd-most worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB =
being a 3sync non-od transmission.  If you advertised to MGB guys that =
you were currently accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard =
would be full by morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for =
parts makes some sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od =
boxes.  I gave away four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" =
4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid =
will get the house and everything that's in the bank.=20

Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty =
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about =
a 2" rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter =
would require about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' =
Wonder if anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box.  After all, a =
Triumph has to be good for something...  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)=20

Cheers,
Allen

On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:

> Allen,
> =20
> Thanks for the response.  I'm not intending on using a MGB OD =
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.  My =
concern was with the location of the shifter.  I'm thinking that with a =
little fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote control.  I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there. =
 I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.
> =20
> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed =
from a wrecked MGB.  It's FREE.  I looked it over and it looks like the =
sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.  It looks =
like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.  I would use =
it if I can work out relocating the shift lever.
> =20
> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider =
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.  I could =
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb =
engine. =20
> =20
> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.=20
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder =
brevity.
and probably cheaper.
>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to =
fit, and a new tunnel.
>>=20
>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, =
eh? :-)
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Mike =
and Charles,<div><br></div><div>Yeah, &nbsp;I can imagine that a 3.9 on =
a 1500 would present quite a challenge on Lombard Hill! &nbsp;I guess my =
consideration of rear gears presumed the 1800 was already in the =
picture.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I forgot to point this out but =
in the third picture I sent, you can see I've moved the handbrake back =
about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - there's plenty of room to =
take up that much slack in the cable. &nbsp;Also note that I tilted the =
lever up a bit on it's front bracket. &nbsp;It clears the tower nicely. =
Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate's =
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme =
durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder =
engine. &nbsp;They do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A =
block" engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well =
in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on occasion and have =
dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a Rivergate/210 five-speed, a =
Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front. &nbsp;The trick is to =
FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up =
also. &nbsp;BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen. &nbsp;We =
may have another option before long. &nbsp;Hopefully somebody who knows =
more than I will speak to this.</div><div><br></div><div>I still hold =
with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more trouble to =
install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little return for =
your money and effort. &nbsp;It would be nice to capitalize on that free =
one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most =
worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a =
3sync non-od transmission. &nbsp;If you advertised to MGB guys that you =
were currently accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would =
be full by morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts =
makes some sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes. =
&nbsp;I gave away four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" =
4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid =
will get the house and everything that's in the =
bank.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding shifter location, I think =
that problem can be solved pretty easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun =
brings it's shifter up right in the MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the =
Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2" rearward expansion in the =
Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would require about the same. =
I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if anybody's tried this =
with a Triumph TR6 box. &nbsp;After all, a Triumph has to be good for =
something... &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;;-) =
&nbsp;;-)&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Allen<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Allen,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for the response.&nbsp; I'm not intending on using a MGB OD =
transmission just the NON OD&nbsp;trans that came with the engine.&nbsp; =
My concern was with the location of the shifter.&nbsp; I'm thinking that =
with a little fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening =
for the remote control.&nbsp; I might even be able to adapt the Magnette =
lever there.&nbsp; I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the =
future.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>A friend has a used Ford&nbsp;Sierra trans and&nbsp;the adaptor =
parts he removed from a wrecked MGB.&nbsp; It's FREE.&nbsp; I looked it =
over and&nbsp;it looks like the sfift lever would&nbsp;interfere with =
the parking brake lever also.&nbsp; It looks like a major job to =
relocate the shift lever on that trans.&nbsp; I would use it if =
I&nbsp;can work out&nbsp;relocating the shift lever. </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would =
consider&nbsp;using the NON&nbsp;OD MGB 4 synchro&nbsp;trans that came =
with the engine.&nbsp; I could keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy =
enough to adapt to the 5 mb engine.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.&nbsp;<br =
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<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen =
Bachelder <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way =
to do this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and =
a Rivergate kit. &nbsp;I've done it on two different Magnettes. =
&nbsp;The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication =
necessary - but it isn't rocket science. &nbsp;The bit in question is =
the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from =
either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built =
version for the Magnette.=20
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<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is =
pretty darn easy. &nbsp;The pictures show the only modifications done to =
the car. &nbsp;Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the =
Datsun transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second =
picture shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening. &nbsp;In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third =
picture shows how I dealt with it. &nbsp;I chose not to weld the new =
tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion. =
&nbsp;In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by using a =
Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I =
would have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach =
is that the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that =
the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint =
which of course has it's own front yoke and transmission spline. =
&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot. &nbsp; =
I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to =
fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>One more thought. &nbsp;If you're undecided about the transmission =
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. &nbsp;This is an easy =
two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs =
I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end =
types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to =
our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed. &nbsp;For awhile =
there, I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort. &nbsp;But =
then I get on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and =
I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph =
per 1,000 rpm.</div>

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<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
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<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><font>As Steve K =
states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would =
not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to =
do. The come with everything you need and require almost no =
modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to =
build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, =
speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame =
and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift =
tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it =
all.</font><br>
<font>--</font><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span><br><font>Sent =
from my Android phone with</font><span =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</span><font>Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.</font><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><font>Steve Kirby &lt;</font><a =
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman">It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place =
to offer up this answer, but I will anyway!&nbsp; One of my first, of =
many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee =
superb header set up many of us have purchased.&nbsp; Steve did put a =
full late B synchro in his.&nbsp; I do remember Steve describing the =
various things he had to do.&nbsp; Steve is a person of immense talents, =
so his pay grade is much higher than mine.&nbsp; Perhaps Steve will =
answer, now that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him =
directly.</font></div>

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<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, =
November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Re: =
[Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
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face=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is =
wider than the 3 sync.&nbsp; Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.&nbsp; =
The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.&nbsp; I've put a 4 sync =
in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move =
sheet metal around.&nbsp; Even then, its still a tight fit.&nbsp; I =
can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed =
would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 =
A.M. Central Standard Time,<span>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span>&nbsp;</span>writes:</=
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn't think that even modifying the =
remote would work.&nbsp; It would still be too far back, not to mention =
the height.&nbsp; I was thinking about eleminating the remote and =
mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans where the =
remote attaches.&nbsp; I still have to get under the car and do some =
measuring to see if that would be close.</div>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car used the =
4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.&nbsp; That would keep me from =
having to make something.</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">&nbsp;</div></div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 =
at 1:58 AM,<span>&nbsp;</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
title=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span>&nbsp;</span=
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href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Da=
ds_<u></u>Oxford.html</a><br>
<br>On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an =
MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.<br>It =
includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and =
a new tunnel.<br>
<br>I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the =
non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? =
:-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span>&nbsp;</span><br>
Robert=20
<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
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0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Charlie,<br>Even =
without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and =
your going to have to substantially reshape the transmission<br>
tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for =
a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, =
you<br>might as well go =
five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></blockquote>
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Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with a =
210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a couple =
stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side =
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole =
saw clear through and check the level through the side from the inside =
of the cockpit but don=E2=80=99t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty =
much exactly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the =
same as the Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease =
it on down the road gear for freeway use...especially if you have =
already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th =
overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro is sure nice too. =
Very nice kit.

Wombat

From: Allen Bachelder=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB

Mike and Charles,=20

Cheers,
Allen

****************************************************************=20
Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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  Allen,

it if I can work out relocating the shift lever.=20

  Charlie Durning

    As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun =
280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit.  I've done it =
on two different Magnettes.  The kit is designed for an MGB so there is =
a bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science.  The bit =
in question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is =
available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a =
purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20

    One more thought.  If you're undecided about the transmission =
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.  This is an easy =
two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs =
I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end =
types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to =
our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed.  For awhile there, =
I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort.  But then I get =
on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure =
happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per =
1,000 rpm.

    FWIW,
    Allen
    ****************************************************************=20
    Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
    Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
    '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
    North Street, MI 48049, USA
    http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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      As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago =
in my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are =
so much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require =
almost no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you =
need to build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive =
shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the =
frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the =
shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it =
all.
      --=20
      Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.

      Steve Kirby <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
        It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my =
place to offer up this answer, but I will anyway!  One of my first, of =
many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee =
superb header set up many of us have purchased.  Steve did put a full =
late B synchro in his.  I do remember Steve describing the various =
things he had to do.  Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay =
grade is much higher than mine.  Perhaps Steve will answer, now that =
I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.

        #2SteveK
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: [email-masked]

          Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.  =
Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.  The transmission tunnel is =
noticeably different.  I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a =
lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around.  Even then, =
its still a tight fit.  I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.

          I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, =
easier, and probably cheaper.

          Lann=20

          In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard =
Time, [email-masked] writes:
            Robert,

            I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work.  =
It would still be too far back, not to mention the height.  I was =
thinking about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly =
to the opening on the trans where the remote attaches.  I still have to =
get under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.

            It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans =
with a direct shifter.  That would keep me from having to make =
something.

            Charlie Durning

            On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

              =

              On the above page are some photos and a description of =
fitting an MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina =
Oxford.
              It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever =
extension to fit, and a new tunnel.

              I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the =
mods needed for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
              I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, =
musicians, eh? :-)

              regards,
              --=20
              Robert=20

                Charlie,
                Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB =
4-sync sits
                high and your going to have to substantially reshape the =
transmission
                tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay =
for a
                synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much =
trouble, you
                might as well go five-speed.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have =

experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
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North=20
America</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in =
ZB</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>Mike=20
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<DIV>Yeah,&nbsp; I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite =
a=20
challenge on Lombard Hill!&nbsp; I guess my consideration of rear gears =
presumed=20
the 1800 was already in the picture. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see=20
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - =
there's=20
plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.&nbsp; Also note =
that I=20
tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.&nbsp; It clears the =
tower=20
nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was =
Rivergate's=20
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme =
durability=20
of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder =
engine.&nbsp; They=20
do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. =
Designed=20
for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep =
my eye=20
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a =
1275, a=20
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up=20
front.&nbsp; The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, =
the 280Z=20
5-speeds are drying up also.&nbsp; BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
T5 bull=20
pen.&nbsp; We may have another option before long.&nbsp; Hopefully =
somebody who=20
knows more than I will speak to this.</DIV>
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<DIV>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more=20
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little =
return=20
for your money and effort.&nbsp; It would be nice to capitalize on that =
free one=20
you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most =
worthless part=20
on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od=20
transmission.&nbsp; If you advertised to MGB guys that you were =
currently=20
accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by =
morning.=20
Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as =
the=20
internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.&nbsp; I gave away four of =
them=20
about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to =
one of=20
my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's =
in the=20
bank. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved =
pretty=20
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB=20
4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a =
2"=20
rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would =
require=20
about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if =
anybody's tried=20
this with a Triumph TR6 box.&nbsp; After all, a Triumph has to be good =
for=20
something...&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; ;-) </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>Allen<BR>
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<DIV>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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  <DIV>Allen,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks for the response.&nbsp; I'm not intending on using a MGB =
OD=20
  transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.&nbsp; My =
concern=20
  was with the location of the shifter.&nbsp; I'm thinking that with a =
little=20
  fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote=20
  control.&nbsp; I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever =
there.&nbsp;=20
  I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed=20
  from a wrecked MGB.&nbsp; It's FREE.&nbsp; I looked it over and it =
looks like=20
  the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever =
also.&nbsp; It=20
  looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that =
trans.&nbsp; I=20
  would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would =
consider=20
  using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.&nbsp; =
I could=20
  keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb=20
  engine.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun=20
  200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <BR =
clear=3Dall></DIV>
  <DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Charlie Durning</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D4>If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20
  watching.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen =
Bachelder <SPAN=20
  dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
  target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
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    <DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest =
way to do=20
    this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a=20
    Rivergate kit.&nbsp; I've done it on two different Magnettes.&nbsp; =
The kit=20
    is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - =
but it=20
    isn't rocket science.&nbsp; The bit in question is the transmission =
mount.=20
    The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce =
Woodson=20
    and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is =
pretty=20
    darn easy.&nbsp; The pictures show the only modifications done to =
the=20
    car.&nbsp; Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the =
Datsun=20
    transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows=20
    how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening.&nbsp; In=20
    fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I =
dealt=20
    with it.&nbsp; I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a =
future=20
    owner wants to reverse the conversion.&nbsp; In this sense, in =
answer to=20
    frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually =
preserved=20
    more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another=20
    advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft =
still fits -=20
    requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit =
the=20
    Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and =
transmission=20
    spline.&nbsp; </DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever=20
    boot.&nbsp;&nbsp; I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower =
with a=20
    body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at =
all.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>One more thought.&nbsp; If you're undecided about the =
transmission=20
    choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a=20
    4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.&nbsp; This is an easy =
two-hour=20
    job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with=20
    the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode =
in=20
    while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, =
and while=20
    we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our =
interstates),=20
    they seemed remarkably unstressed.&nbsp; For awhile there, I started =

    wondering why I had gone to all this effort.&nbsp; But then I get on =
the=20
    I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy =
to have=20
    my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 =
rpm.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>FWIW,</DIV>
    <DIV>Allen</DIV>
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    <DIV>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</DIV><BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN=20
      style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; FONT-VARIANT: normal; =
WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; =
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K =
states I=20
      installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would =
not even=20
      consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to =
do. The=20
      come with everything you need and require almost no modifications =
to the=20
      car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear =
transmission=20
      mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and =
cable. Then=20
      deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch =
hydraulic=20
      line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember =
exactly=20
      what. I think that covers it all.<BR>--<SPAN=20
      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN><BR>Sent from my Android =
phone=20
      with<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN><A =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
      href=3D"http://mail.com/" target=3D_blank>mail.com</A><SPAN=20
      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN>Mail. Please excuse my=20
      brevity.<BR><BR>
      <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>Steve Kirby &lt;<A style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt"=20
      href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
      wrote:=20
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
        <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman">It is=20
        not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to =
offer up=20
        this answer, but I will anyway!&nbsp; One of my first, of many, =
mentors,=20
        in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header=20
        set up many of us have purchased.&nbsp; Steve did put a full =
late B=20
        synchro in his.&nbsp; I do remember Steve describing the various =
things=20
        he had to do.&nbsp; Steve is a person of immense talents, so his =
pay=20
        grade is much higher than mine.&nbsp; Perhaps Steve will answer, =
now=20
        that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him=20
        directly.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT size=3D3=20
        face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT size=3D3=20
        face=3D"Times New Roman">#2SteveK</FONT></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE=20
        style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message =
-----</DIV>
          <DIV=20
          style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN><A=20
          title=[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
          target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A></DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =
arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN><A=20
          title=[email-masked] =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
          target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A></DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =
arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>Tuesday,=20
          November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =
arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>Re:=20
          [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
          face=3DArial>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 =
sync is=20
          wider than the 3 sync.&nbsp; Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 =
sync.&nbsp;=20
          The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.&nbsp; I've =
put a 4=20
          sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG =
hammer to=20
          move sheet metal around.&nbsp; Even then, its still a tight =
fit.&nbsp;=20
          I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think Allen is right, a =
Hi-Gear 5 speed=20
          would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Lann </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 =
10:19:44=20
          A.M. Central Standard Time,<SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN><A=20
          href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
          =
target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>writes:</D=
IV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE=20
          style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
blue 2px solid"><FONT=20
            style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#000000 =
face=3DArial>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Robert,</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't think that even =
modifying the=20
            remote would work.&nbsp; It would still be too far back, not =
to=20
            mention the height.&nbsp; I was thinking about eleminating =
the=20
            remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on =
the trans=20
            where the remote attaches.&nbsp; I still have to get under =
the car=20
            and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It would be good if some BMC =
car used=20
            the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.&nbsp; That would =
keep me=20
            from having to make something.</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV>
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            <DIV dir=3Dltr>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Charlie Durning</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV>
            <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Tue, =
Nov 26, 2013=20
            at 1:58 AM,<SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A=20
            title=3Dmailto:[email-masked]=20
            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
            =
target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SPAN><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>=
wrote:<BR>
            <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
            style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><A=20
              title=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website =
pages/Dads_Oxford.html"=20
              =
href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =

              =
target=3D_blank>http://www.beardmorebros.co.<U></U>uk/website%20pages/Dad=
s_<U></U>Oxford.html</A><BR><BR>On=20
              the above page are some photos and a description of =
fitting an MGB=20
              engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina=20
              Oxford.<BR>It includes a pic of shortening the remote =
gearlever=20
              extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<BR><BR>I'd agree that =
the=20
              benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a =
3-synchro=20
              box might not be great.<BR>I also love the sound of the=20
              non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?=20
              :-)<BR><BR>regards,<BR>--<SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN><BR>Robert=20
              <DIV><BR><BR>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder =
wrote:<BR>
              <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
              style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Charlie,<BR>Even=20
                without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync=20
                sits<BR>high and your going to have to substantially =
reshape the=20
                transmission<BR>tunnel to make it fit. That's a =
ferocious price=20
                to pay for a<BR>synchronized first gear. If you're going =
to that=20
                much trouble, you<BR>might as well go=20
              =
five-speed.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>=
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