Subject: Re: [TR] "Inside Track on How It was Done" article

From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2026 22:02:55 +0000

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Jonmac=E2=80=99s long reply.

Dean,=20

Thank you for your kind words and I=E2=80=99m glad you found the story of in=
terest. I hope you don=E2=80=99t mind but I=E2=80=99ve copied this reply to t=
he rest of the list as your query touches on one of many similar issues that=
 people periodically ask me to comment on. Hopefully this wider reply might s=
olve a few other related/unrelated queries.
In the overall production process, where badges or odd bits of trim actually=
 got fitted was not necessarily a constant in terms of actual location. To a=
 certain extent, it all depended on the availability of =E2=80=98qualified=E2=
=80=99 labour to do a certain task. The UK in the sixties, seventies, eighti=
es was hidebound by the power of trade union control. Within the overall mot=
or industry, there was a mass of different unions and union membership was m=
andatory if you were one of many fishes in a large pool where things were ma=
de. Union names that spring to mind are Transport & General Workers, Nationa=
l Union of Vehicle Bodybuilders, General Municipal and Boilermakers, Nationa=
l Union of Teachers, British Electrical, Associated Union Engineering Worker=
s - and many more. All of those were authorised by common and mutual agreeme=
nt to undertake certain tasks within the production process. One way and ano=
ther, we had enough people belonging to different unions who, by working tog=
ether, could somehow contrive to build a complete car.
Re the figment of your badge and letters.
Fred Bloggs who is an NUVB member is paid to fit badges and certain brightwo=
rk - and that=E2=80=99s all! One day, Fred isn=E2=80=99t at work because the=
 night before, he spent most of his wages in the pub, went home piddled out o=
f his head and woke up the next morning with the mother of all hangovers, so=
 decided to stay in bed and Mrs Bloggs called the factory to say he was ill.=
 But because Fred is one of only two NUVB members on his workstation where c=
ertain badges and brightwork are fitted, his mate has to do Fred=E2=80=99s w=
ork as well as his own. As every single assembly task is time measured anywa=
y and piecework pay rates have been abandoned in favour of Measured Day Rate=
, the NUVB foreman negotiates with other union foremen to run the track slow=
er so Fred=E2=80=99s mate can do both jobs without getting stressed out. To u=
s, the obvious remedy is to get a member of another union to do Fred=E2=80=99=
s work.=20
But you can=E2=80=99t do that. Against union rules. Only NUVB members can do=
 Fred=E2=80=99s work and if there aren=E2=80=99t enough NUVB members on hand=
, then tough titty. Run the track slower. End of story. It=E2=80=99s amazing=
 we ever managed to make anything at all.
In my days as an Apprentice at Jaguar, I was working on the track one day wh=
en I noticed the main plug to a headlamp was dangling in the bodywork and so=
 I put it back and ensured it was firmly fitted - but I got seen by a Shop S=
teward who immediately stopped the line because a non unionised Apprentice w=
as =E2=80=9Cdoing the work that should only be done by a member of British E=
lectrical - and no-one else=E2=80=9D. The track stopped for over thirty minu=
tes, and boy, did I get bawled out! And that=E2=80=99s how bad it was. If yo=
u weren=E2=80=99t in a union, you NEVER used your initiative to sort a probl=
em if you saw one happening or likely to happen. You looked for a man in a w=
hite overall with a blue or red collar and told him instead.
So back to the question of who and where were badges fitted?=20
Answer, by anyone within the relevant union who happened to notice items wer=
e missing. Missing badges and Triumph letters got fitted somewhere, somehow b=
ut not necessarily in the location where they *should* be fitted and if the c=
ar reached the end of the line without them, a red SHORTAGES label got slapp=
ed on the screen and a handwritten note was made on the production tally and=
 shortage list. Somehow, the system seemed to work - sort of - but it was ti=
me-consuming, wasteful, inefficient and an absolute effing nuisance.
And because of those practises, that goes a long way to explaining why all t=
he UK car manufacturers of substance today are owned by foreign companies. S=
ame goes almost for our former motorcycle industry, shipbuilding, aircraft, m=
ining and a raft of everything else. The power of the unions and management h=
ierarchies who were terrified of confrontation, caved in and we threw it all=
 away.

JM

> On 11 Mar 2026, at 13:21, Dean Tetterton <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> John
>          Thanks for the great article. It sure opens my eyes about the com=
plexity of building so many different
> varieties of the "same car". I have scanned a lot of images that are in th=
e VTR Mike Cook archives and have a
> nice collection of production line images. The ones I have of TR4's being b=
uilt show that the TR4 emblem on the
> boot lid must have been installed near the end of production. I have attac=
hed a few of them and go from the
> rocket room to tops being installed. None have an emblem on the boot. Is t=
hat because some were sent out
> with different one's or none?=20
>=20
>            I really enjoy your articles.
>=20
>          Dean Tetterton
>           [email-masked]
>=20
>           =20
>=20
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2026 at 8:11=E2=80=AFAM JOHN MACARTNEY <johnbmacartney@gm=
x.com> wrote:
>> This is a long one but hopefully opens a few 'new doors' to walk through?=
 Enjoy!
>> =20
>> Jonmac
>> ** [email-masked] **
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jon=
mac=E2=80=99s long reply.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">D=
ean,&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you for yo=
ur kind words and I=E2=80=99m glad you found the story of interest. I hope y=
ou don=E2=80=99t mind but I=E2=80=99ve copied this reply to the rest of the l=
ist as your query touches on one of many similar issues that people periodic=
ally ask me to comment on. Hopefully this wider reply might solve a few othe=
r related/unrelated queries.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">In the overall production=
 process, where badges or odd bits of trim actually got fitted was not neces=
sarily a constant in terms of actual location. To a certain extent, it all d=
epended on the availability of =E2=80=98qualified=E2=80=99 labour to do a ce=
rtain task. The UK in the sixties, seventies, eighties was hidebound by the p=
ower of trade union control. Within the overall motor industry, there was a m=
ass of different unions and union membership was mandatory if you were one o=
f many fishes in a large pool where things were made. Union names that sprin=
g to mind are Transport &amp; General Workers, National Union of Vehicle Bod=
ybuilders, General Municipal and Boilermakers, National Union of Teachers, B=
ritish Electrical, Associated Union Engineering Workers - and many more. All=
 of those were authorised by common and mutual agreement to undertake certai=
n tasks within the production process. One way and another, we had enough pe=
ople belonging to different unions who, by working together, could somehow c=
ontrive to build a complete car.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Re the figment of you=
r badge and letters.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Fred Bloggs who is an NUVB member=
 is paid to fit badges and certain brightwork - and that=E2=80=99s all! One d=
ay, Fred isn=E2=80=99t at work because the night before, he spent most of hi=
s wages in the pub, went home piddled out of his head and woke up the next m=
orning with the mother of all hangovers, so decided to stay in bed and Mrs B=
loggs called the factory to say he was ill. But because Fred is one of only t=
wo NUVB members on his workstation where certain badges and brightwork are f=
itted, his mate has to do Fred=E2=80=99s work as well as his own. As every s=
ingle assembly task is time measured anyway and piecework pay rates have bee=
n abandoned in favour of Measured Day Rate, the NUVB foreman negotiates with=
 other union foremen to run the track slower so Fred=E2=80=99s mate can do b=
oth jobs without getting stressed out. To us, the obvious remedy is to get a=
 member of another union to do Fred=E2=80=99s work.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">But you can=E2=80=99t do that. Against union rules. Only NUVB members ca=
n do Fred=E2=80=99s work and if there aren=E2=80=99t enough NUVB members on h=
and, then tough titty. Run the track slower. End of story. It=E2=80=99s amaz=
ing we ever managed to make anything at all.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">In my day=
s as an Apprentice at Jaguar, I was working on the track one day when I noti=
ced the main plug to a headlamp was dangling in the bodywork and so I put it=
 back and ensured it was firmly fitted - but I got seen by a Shop Steward wh=
o immediately stopped the line because a non unionised Apprentice was =E2=80=
=9Cdoing the work that should only be done by a member of British Electrical=
 - and no-one else=E2=80=9D. The track stopped for over thirty minutes, and b=
oy, did I get bawled out! And that=E2=80=99s how bad it was. If you weren=E2=
=80=99t in a union, you NEVER used your initiative to sort a problem if you s=
aw one happening or likely to happen. You looked for a man in a white overal=
l with a blue or red collar and told him instead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">So b=
ack to the question of who and where were badges fitted?&nbsp;</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Answer, by anyone within the relevant union who happened to notice i=
tems were missing. Missing badges and Triumph letters got fitted somewhere, s=
omehow but not necessarily in the location where they *should* be fitted and=
 if the car reached the end of the line without them, a red SHORTAGES label g=
ot slapped on the screen and a handwritten note was made on the production t=
ally and shortage list. Somehow, the system seemed to work - sort of - but i=
t was time-consuming, wasteful, inefficient and an absolute effing nuisance.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">And because of those practises, that goes a long way t=
o explaining why all the UK car manufacturers of substance today are owned b=
y foreign companies. Same goes almost for our former motorcycle industry, sh=
ipbuilding, aircraft, mining and a raft of everything else. The power of the=
 unions and management hierarchies who were terrified of confrontation, cave=
d in and we threw it all away.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">JM</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 11 Mar 2026, at 13:21, Dean Tetterton &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">J=
ohn<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks for the great article. It s=
ure opens my eyes about the complexity of building so many different</div><d=
iv>varieties&nbsp;of the "same car". I have scanned a lot of images that are=
 in the VTR Mike Cook archives and have a</div><div>nice collection of produ=
ction line images. The ones I have of TR4's being built show that the TR4 em=
blem on the</div><div>boot lid must have been installed near the end of prod=
uction. I have attached a few of them and go from the</div><div>rocket room t=
o tops being installed. None have an emblem on the boot. Is that because som=
e were sent out</div><div>with different one's or none?&nbsp;</div><div><br>=
</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I really enjoy your arti=
cles.</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Dean Tetter=
ton</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:tr3a58dea=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a></div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;=
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quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 11, 2026 a=
t 8:11=E2=80=AFAM JOHN MACARTNEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
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204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px=
"><div>This is a long one but hopefully opens a few 'new doors' to walk thro=
ugh?&nbsp;Enjoy!</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

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Another great tale about the whole process of getting our cars out the =
door and on the way to us. Thanks John.

=20

=20

Keith Stewart

World of Triumph  <https://keith-stewart.ca/> https://keith-stewart.ca/=20

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From: JOHN MACARTNEY <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: March 11, 2026 8:09 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] "Inside Track on How It was Done" article

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This is a long one but hopefully opens a few 'new doors' to walk =
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Indeed, a real eye-opener.=C2=A0 I am familiar with supply line logistics b=
ut not on such a scale.=C2=A0 In the electronic PCB business holding stock =
for months at a time is not an issue with parts that are the size of a grai=
n of rice.=C2=A0 But imaging putting 1,000 transmissions on the shelf.
Hats off to the blokes who pulled it off for so long.
Dave=20

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> wrote:  =20

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Another great tale about the whole process of getting our cars out the door=
 and on the way to us. Thanks John.

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Keith Stewart

[email-masked]

World of Triumph https://keith-stewart.ca/=20

=C2=A0

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=C2=A0Enjoy!

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an></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></p><p class=3D"ydp=
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 JOHN MACARTNEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:<=
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Wow! Just more examples of how the golden goose was doomed to die. How =
sad.

Thanks for sharing!

=20

Alex Thomson

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of John =
Macartney
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2026 6:03 PM
To: Dean Tetterton <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] "Inside Track on How It was Done" article

=20

=20

Dean,=20

=20

Thank you for your kind words and I=E2=80=99m glad you found the story =
of interest. I hope you don=E2=80=99t mind but I=E2=80=99ve copied this =
reply to the rest of the list as your query touches on one of many =
similar issues that people periodically ask me to comment on. Hopefully =
this wider reply might solve a few other related/unrelated queries.

In the overall production process, where badges or odd bits of trim =
actually got fitted was not necessarily a constant in terms of actual =
location. To a certain extent, it all depended on the availability of =
=E2=80=98qualified=E2=80=99 labour to do a certain task. The UK in the =
sixties, seventies, eighties was hidebound by the power of trade union =
control. Within the overall motor industry, there was a mass of =
different unions and union membership was mandatory if you were one of =
many fishes in a large pool where things were made. Union names that =
spring to mind are Transport & General Workers, National Union of =
Vehicle Bodybuilders, General Municipal and Boilermakers, National Union =
of Teachers, British Electrical, Associated Union Engineering Workers - =
and many more. All of those were authorised by common and mutual =
agreement to undertake certain tasks within the production process. One =
way and another, we had enough people belonging to different unions who, =
by working together, could somehow contrive to build a complete car.

Fred Bloggs who is an NUVB member is paid to fit badges and certain =
brightwork - and that=E2=80=99s all! One day, Fred isn=E2=80=99t at work =
because the night before, he spent most of his wages in the pub, went =
home piddled out of his head and woke up the next morning with the =
mother of all hangovers, so decided to stay in bed and Mrs Bloggs called =
the factory to say he was ill. But because Fred is one of only two NUVB =
members on his workstation where certain badges and brightwork are =
fitted, his mate has to do Fred=E2=80=99s work as well as his own. As =
every single assembly task is time measured anyway and piecework pay =
rates have been abandoned in favour of Measured Day Rate, the NUVB =
foreman negotiates with other union foremen to run the track slower so =
Fred=E2=80=99s mate can do both jobs without getting stressed out. To =
us, the obvious remedy is to get a member of another union to do =
Fred=E2=80=99s work.=20

But you can=E2=80=99t do that. Against union rules. Only NUVB members =
can do Fred=E2=80=99s work and if there aren=E2=80=99t enough NUVB =
members on hand, then tough titty. Run the track slower. End of story. =
It=E2=80=99s amazing we ever managed to make anything at all.

In my days as an Apprentice at Jaguar, I was working on the track one =
day when I noticed the main plug to a headlamp was dangling in the =
bodywork and so I put it back and ensured it was firmly fitted - but I =
got seen by a Shop Steward who immediately stopped the line because a =
non unionised Apprentice was =E2=80=9Cdoing the work that should only be =
done by a member of British Electrical - and no-one else=E2=80=9D. The =
track stopped for over thirty minutes, and boy, did I get bawled out! =
And that=E2=80=99s how bad it was. If you weren=E2=80=99t in a union, =
you NEVER used your initiative to sort a problem if you saw one =
happening or likely to happen. You looked for a man in a white overall =
with a blue or red collar and told him instead.

Answer, by anyone within the relevant union who happened to notice items =
were missing. Missing badges and Triumph letters got fitted somewhere, =
somehow but not necessarily in the location where they *should* be =
fitted and if the car reached the end of the line without them, a red =
SHORTAGES label got slapped on the screen and a handwritten note was =
made on the production tally and shortage list. Somehow, the system =
seemed to work - sort of - but it was time-consuming, wasteful, =
inefficient and an absolute effing nuisance.

And because of those practises, that goes a long way to explaining why =
all the UK car manufacturers of substance today are owned by foreign =
companies. Same goes almost for our former motorcycle industry, =
shipbuilding, aircraft, mining and a raft of everything else. The power =
of the unions and management hierarchies who were terrified of =
confrontation, caved in and we threw it all away.

=20

JM

On 11 Mar 2026, at 13:21, Dean Tetterton <[email-masked] =

John

         Thanks for the great article. It sure opens my eyes about the =
complexity of building so many different

varieties of the "same car". I have scanned a lot of images that are in =
the VTR Mike Cook archives and have a

nice collection of production line images. The ones I have of TR4's =
being built show that the TR4 emblem on the

boot lid must have been installed near the end of production. I have =
attached a few of them and go from the

rocket room to tops being installed. None have an emblem on the boot. Is =
that because some were sent out

=20

=20

         Dean Tetterton

=20

          =20

=20

On Wed, Mar 11, 2026 at 8:11=E2=80=AFAM JOHN MACARTNEY =

=20

Jonmac

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Wow! Just more examples of how the golden goose was doomed to die. How =
sad.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Thanks for sharing!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Alex Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>John Macartney<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 11, 2026 6:03 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Dean Tetterton =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] &quot;Inside Track =
on How It was Done&quot; article<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jonmac=E2=80=99s long =
reply.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dean,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you for your kind words and I=E2=80=99m glad you =
found the story of interest. I hope you don=E2=80=99t mind but =
I=E2=80=99ve copied this reply to the rest of the list as your query =
touches on one of many similar issues that people periodically ask me to =
comment on. Hopefully this wider reply might solve a few other =
related/unrelated queries.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In the overall production process, where badges or odd =
bits of trim actually got fitted was not necessarily a constant in terms =
of actual location. To a certain extent, it all depended on the =
availability of =E2=80=98qualified=E2=80=99 labour to do a certain task. =
The UK in the sixties, seventies, eighties was hidebound by the power of =
trade union control. Within the overall motor industry, there was a mass =
of different unions and union membership was mandatory if you were one =
of many fishes in a large pool where things were made. Union names that =
spring to mind are Transport &amp; General Workers, National Union of =
Vehicle Bodybuilders, General Municipal and Boilermakers, National Union =
of Teachers, British Electrical, Associated Union Engineering Workers - =
and many more. All of those were authorised by common and mutual =
agreement to undertake certain tasks within the production process. One =
way and another, we had enough people belonging to different unions who, =
by working together, could somehow contrive to build a complete =
car.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Re the figment of =
your badge and letters.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fred Bloggs who is an NUVB member is paid to fit =
badges and certain brightwork - and that=E2=80=99s all! One day, Fred =
isn=E2=80=99t at work because the night before, he spent most of his =
wages in the pub, went home piddled out of his head and woke up the next =
morning with the mother of all hangovers, so decided to stay in bed and =
Mrs Bloggs called the factory to say he was ill. But because Fred is one =
of only two NUVB members on his workstation where certain badges and =
brightwork are fitted, his mate has to do Fred=E2=80=99s work as well as =
his own. As every single assembly task is time measured anyway and =
piecework pay rates have been abandoned in favour of Measured Day Rate, =
the NUVB foreman negotiates with other union foremen to run the track =
slower so Fred=E2=80=99s mate can do both jobs without getting stressed =
out. To us, the obvious remedy is to get a member of another union to do =
Fred=E2=80=99s work.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>But you can=E2=80=99t do that. Against union rules. =
Only NUVB members can do Fred=E2=80=99s work and if there aren=E2=80=99t =
enough NUVB members on hand, then tough titty. Run the track slower. End =
of story. It=E2=80=99s amazing we ever managed to make anything at =
all.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>In my days as an =
Apprentice at Jaguar, I was working on the track one day when I noticed =
the main plug to a headlamp was dangling in the bodywork and so I put it =
back and ensured it was firmly fitted - but I got seen by a Shop Steward =
who immediately stopped the line because a non unionised Apprentice was =
=E2=80=9Cdoing the work that should only be done by a member of British =
Electrical - and no-one else=E2=80=9D. The track stopped for over thirty =
minutes, and boy, did I get bawled out! And that=E2=80=99s how bad it =
was. If you weren=E2=80=99t in a union, you NEVER used your initiative =
to sort a problem if you saw one happening or likely to happen. You =
looked for a man in a white overall with a blue or red collar and told =
him instead.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>So back to =
the question of who and where were badges =
fitted?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Answer, by =
anyone within the relevant union who happened to notice items were =
missing. Missing badges and Triumph letters got fitted somewhere, =
somehow but not necessarily in the location where they *should* be =
fitted and if the car reached the end of the line without them, a red =
SHORTAGES label got slapped on the screen and a handwritten note was =
made on the production tally and shortage list. Somehow, the system =
seemed to work - sort of - but it was time-consuming, wasteful, =
inefficient and an absolute effing nuisance.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And because of those practises, that goes a long way =
to explaining why all the UK car manufacturers of substance today are =
owned by foreign companies. Same goes almost for our former motorcycle =
industry, shipbuilding, aircraft, mining and a raft of everything else. =
The power of the unions and management hierarchies who were terrified of =
confrontation, caved in and we threw it all =
away.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>JM<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 11 Mar 2026, at 13:21, Dean =
Tetterton &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks for the great article. It sure opens =
my eyes about the complexity of building so many =
different<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>varieties&nbsp;of the &quot;same car&quot;. I have =
scanned a lot of images that are in the VTR Mike Cook archives and have =
a<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>nice collection of =
production line images. The ones I have of TR4's being built show that =
the TR4 emblem on the<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>boot =
lid must have been installed near the end of production. I have attached =
a few of them and go from the<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rocket room to tops being installed. None have an =
emblem on the boot. Is that because some were sent =
out<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>with different one's =
or none?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I really =
enjoy your articles.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Dean =
Tetterton<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Mar 11, 2026 at 8:11<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>AM JOHN =
MACARTNEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>This is a =
long one but hopefully opens a few 'new doors' to walk =
through?&nbsp;Enjoy!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Jonmac<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>** <a =
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target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a =
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