Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process

From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 15:49:47 +0000

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Please do. I=E2=80=99ve noticed in the past that the person who commendably p=
romotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some facts=
 about Black (which I now can=E2=80=99t recall) rather back to front. It=E2=80=
=99s this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Mo=
tor Company history and it=E2=80=99s hellishly difficult to correct these er=
rors at a later date. Maybe I=E2=80=99m being unnecessarily pedantic but it s=
till grieves me when well-intended people don=E2=80=99t check their facts. E=
xactly the same situation applies when other enthusiasts for Jaguar and MG d=
o the same thing.

Cheers, Jonmac

> On 8 Jan 2026, at 15:04, Stephen Oertwig <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Dear John,
>=20
> Again, a piece of history people need to know. Shows the gratitude Sir Joh=
n Black had for those who served. This story should be told when we honor hi=
s legacy Feb. 10.=20
>=20
> V/R
> Steve
>=20
>> On Jan 8, 2026, at 4:40=E2=80=AFAM, John Macartney <[email-masked]=
m> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> He did. Mostly they were former prewar employees who were guaranteed a jo=
b at Standard Motor Co if they survived the war. Black also instructed Perso=
nnel Dept that whatever job they were offered that their salaries were to be=
 at the very summit for that job grade plus 15% - in perpetuity until they e=
ither retired or died in service. I based the conversation of yesterday on t=
wo of those men who did that job. Both had serious war wounds but indomitabl=
e spirits and humour.
>>=20
>> JM
>>=20
>>> On 8 Jan 2026, at 04:31, bill beecher <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> John,
>>> Din=E2=80=99t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission p=
lates. =20
>>> Bill
>>>=20
>>> =E2=80=9CThe harder I work, the luckier I get=E2=80=9D  H. Ford
>>>=20
>>> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM, John Macartney <[email-masked]=
om> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFNah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a=
 Tuesday but don=E2=80=99t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come =
Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky =E2=80=98cos you ain=E2=80=99t given=
 us an opportunity to go on strike.
>>> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glas=
ses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
>>>=20
>>> Jonmac
>>>=20
>>>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original o=
ne so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It i=
s a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 20=
00s so the plate looks similar.
>>>>=20
>>>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has num=
bers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp o=
f different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought m=
aybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.=20=

>>>>=20
>>>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I w=
ould like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plate=
s and body numbers.
>>>>=20
>>>> Steve
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00=E2=80=AFPM, [email-masked] wr=
ote:
>>>>>=20
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>>>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>    (Sujit Roy)
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=

>>>>>=20
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>>>> From: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
>>>>> To: bill beecher <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked]"
>>>>>   <[email-masked]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
>>>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>> To: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, t=
he ?3? will be wrong.
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>=20
>>>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
>>>>> ** [email-masked] **
>>>>>=20
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>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>>>> From: Sujit Roy <[email-masked]>
>>>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <[email-masked]>
>>>>> Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations=

>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>   <[email-masked]>=

>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <[email-masked]>=

>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically th=
e
>>>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color c=
hange.
>>>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. Yo=
u
>>>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running=
 the
>>>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If w=
hen
>>>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant get=
s
>>>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication=
 of a
>>>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this on=
e
>>>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -=

>>>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVB=
SFTF/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3DB5BELSHHE2V2&dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM=
28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVo=
J92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe=
0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThD=
Uhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dcombustion+gas+test=
er+for+coolant&qid=3D1767361665&sprefix=3DCombustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=3D=
8-3>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto part=
s
>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> JVV
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Sujit=
 Roy
>>>>>> <[email-masked]>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Triumphs <[email-masked]>
>>>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test=
 my
>>>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use=
.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Sujit
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> --=20
>>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ple=
ase do. I=E2=80=99ve noticed in the past that the person who commendably pro=
motes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some facts a=
bout Black (which I now can=E2=80=99t recall) rather back to front. It=E2=80=
=99s this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Mo=
tor Company history and it=E2=80=99s hellishly difficult to correct these er=
rors at a later date. Maybe I=E2=80=99m being unnecessarily pedantic but it s=
till grieves me when well-intended people don=E2=80=99t check their facts. E=
xactly the same situation applies when other enthusiasts for Jaguar and MG d=
o the same thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers, J=
onmac</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 8 Jan 2026, at 15:04, Stephen Oertwig &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"content-t=
ype" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Dear John,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Again, a p=
iece of history people need to know. Shows the gratitude Sir John Black had f=
or those who served. This story should be told when we honor his legacy Feb.=
 10.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">V/R</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Steve</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 8=
, 2026, at 4:40=E2=80=AFAM, John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacart=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"con=
tent-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">He did. Mostly they were former prewar employees who were guar=
anteed a job at Standard Motor Co if they survived the war. Black also instr=
ucted Personnel Dept that whatever job they were offered that their salaries=
 were to be at the very summit for that job grade plus 15% - in perpetuity u=
ntil they either retired or died in service. I based the conversation of yes=
terday on two of those men who did that job. Both had serious war wounds but=
 indomitable spirits and humour.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">JM</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 8 Jan 2026, at 04:31, bill beecher &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D=
"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">John,<div>Din=E2=80=99=
t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates. &nbsp;</d=
iv><div>Bill</div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=E2=80=9CThe harder I work, the luckier I get<span style=3D"font-size:=
 19pt;">=E2=80=9D &nbsp;H. Ford</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 5, 2=
026, at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM, John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney=
@gmx.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BF<span>Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build=
 on a Tuesday but don=E2=80=99t expect anything to appear until eight weeks c=
ome Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky =E2=80=98cos you ain=E2=80=99t g=
iven us an opportunity to go on strike.</span><br><span>Funny sized letters a=
nd numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is=
 back in circulation again.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jonmac</span><b=
r><span></span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, S=
tephen Oertwig &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I need to redo plate on 1967 200=
0 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN t=
o get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been study=
ing the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.</sp=
an><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Then need to find new 2000 plate. The origin=
al commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each w=
orker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in s=
tamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tu=
esday. Maybe after lunch. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Would be hard t=
o find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something=
 that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.=
</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Steve</span><br></blockquote><blockquote=
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e"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave n=
orthrup)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><span> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit reco=
mmendations</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(Sujit Roy)</span><br></blo=
ckquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><sp=
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ge: 1</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><span>Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000</span><br></blo=
ckquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><sp=
an>From: dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave@ranteer.=
com</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span>To: bill beecher &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:notakit=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, "<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@aut=
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/span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><span>Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping</span>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span>Message-ID: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f8849=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><=
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ite"><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"</span><br></blockquot=
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pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do t=
his</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>-------- Original m=
essage --------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>From: bill beecher &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:n=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Date: 1/=
3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>To: dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Subject:=
 Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping</span><br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></b=
lockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
span>Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight. &nbsp;Of cours=
e, the ?3? will be wrong.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Bill</span><br></blockquote></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><b=
r></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><span>?The harder I work, the luckier I get? &nbsp;H. Ford</span><br></b=
lockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><span>On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup &lt;<a hre=
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te"><span>Message: 2</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800<=
/span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><span>From: Sujit Roy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>To: Jerry Van Vlack &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span>Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket C=
ombustion Leak test kit recommendations</span><br></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Message-ID:</span>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:CANLCLaFpcQwtS2hf5x8YWBbs8DMC=
[email-masked]">CANLCLaFpcQwtS2hf5x8YWBbs8DMCJVyo4V3O=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Content-Type: text/p=
lain; charset=3D"utf-8"</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquo=
te><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Thanks, I'll ch=
eck them out.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:=
53?AM Jerry Van Vlack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jerryvvtr=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote></block=
quote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br><=
/blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Hi Sujit,</span><br></blockquote></blockquo=
te></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span>I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the=
</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>same by pulling ga=
ses up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.</span><br></blockq=
uote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>The multiple test claims relate to th=
e amount of fluid in the kit. You</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></bloc=
kquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span>don't need to use much fluid for each test.</span><br></blockqu=
ote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span>Having said this you can also look for a blown head gaske=
t by running the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>ca=
r at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when</spa=
n><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>it opens you only obser=
ve coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets</span><br></blockquote></blo=
ckquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><span>blown out of the radiator instead of flowing th=
at's a good indication of a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span>head gasket issue.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I personall=
y like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one</span><br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span><a href=3D"http://Amazon.com">Amazon.=
com</a>: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -</span><b=
r></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Made in USA : Automotive</s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>&lt;<a href=3D"https:=
//www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=3Dsr_=
1_3?crid=3DB5BELSHHE2V2&amp;dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhN=
YzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb=
3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRs=
cAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjb=
ccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&amp;dib_tag=3Dse&amp;keywords=3Dcombustion+gas+tester=
+for+coolant&amp;qid=3D1767361665&amp;sprefix=3DCombustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537=
&amp;sr=3D8-3">https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp=
/B06VVBSFTF/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3DB5BELSHHE2V2&amp;dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3w=
wU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksG=
nRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJ=
aMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.=
by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&amp;dib_tag=3Dse&amp;keywords=3D=
combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&amp;qid=3D1767361665&amp;sprefix=3DCombust=
ion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&amp;sr=3D8-3</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></blockquo=
te></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span>You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts=
</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>store.</span><br><=
/blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></block=
quote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><span>Hope this helps</span><br></blockquote></blockquo=
te></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span>JVV</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>-----------=
-------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span=
>*From:* Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tri=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Sujit Roy</span><br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gma=
il.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></=
blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span>*Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM</span><br></blo=
ckquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>*To:* Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>*Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustio=
n Leak test kit recommendations</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockq=
uote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I see=
 kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my</span><b=
r></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>engine 50-100 times. What i=
s a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.</span><br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><span>Sujit</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span=
><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><block=
quote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquot=
e></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Sujit Roy</span><br></blockquote></block=
quote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><span>Cupertino, California</span><br></blockquote></bl=
ockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span><a href=3D"https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/">https://trium=
phstagblog.wordpress.com/</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquo=
te><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"c=
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pe=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>-- </span><br></blockquote></blo=
ckquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Sujit Roy<=
/span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><span>Cupertino, California</span><br></blockquote></blockquote>=
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On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 9:57=E2=80=AFAM John Macartney <[email-masked]=
om>
wrote:

> Please do. I=E2=80=99ve noticed in the past that the person who commendab=
ly
> promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some
> facts about Black (which I now can=E2=80=99t recall) rather back to front=
. It=E2=80=99s
> this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Moto=
r
> Company history and it=E2=80=99s hellishly difficult to correct these err=
ors at a
> later date. Maybe I=E2=80=99m being unnecessarily pedantic but it still g=
rieves me
> when well-intended people don=E2=80=99t check their facts.
>

Since my retirement from my day job, I have gotten the genealogy bug.  The
havoc that well-meaning dabblers can cause on the Internet is amazing.

THere is an organization called Find A Grave. People who have found other
people's mistakes elsewhere take these untruths and put them on FG
memorials,  Then other folks think that FG is a credible source and repeat
these errors back into the other databases.

For instance, my late wife was descended from Margaret Gavin (born in
Liverpool of Irish parents) and Angus Weatherhead, her 2nd husband.
Margaret's first husband was Matthew Slattery, reportedly born in Ireland.
Margaret and Matthew were married in Wisconsin, then moved to Minnesota
where they lived with their several children including Helen Slattery.
Matthew died on Christmas Eve 1897.  I have found no record that any of
these people ever lived in Michigan.

Meanwhile there was another Matthew Slattery. Of course, there have been
many people named Mattew Slattery!. THIS one married Caherine Shields in
Michigan.  They had several children, including Helen Slattery.  This
family seems to have stayed in Michigan.

As soon as someone on Ancestry.com (or the like) conflated the two men
named Matthew Slattery, the trouble began.  The tangle of incorrect
associations for not just Matthew Slattery, but for Helen
Slattery, snowballed out of control.  Next thing you know, there was a
conflation of Margaret Gavin and Catherine Shields.

Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
2003 Birkin

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:monospace"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quo=
te_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at =
9:57=E2=80=AFAM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Please do. I=E2=80=99ve noticed in the past that the person who co=
mmendably promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly go=
t some facts about Black (which I now can=E2=80=99t recall) rather back to =
front. It=E2=80=99s this sort of thing that misleads people who really do v=
alue Standard Motor Company history and it=E2=80=99s hellishly difficult to=
 correct these errors at a later date. Maybe I=E2=80=99m being unnecessaril=
y pedantic but it still grieves me when well-intended people don=E2=80=99t =
check their facts.=C2=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">Since my retirement from=
 my day job, I have gotten the genealogy bug.=C2=A0 The havoc=C2=A0that wel=
l-meaning dabblers can cause on the Internet is amazing.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">THere is an organiz=
ation=C2=A0called Find A Grave. People who have found other people&#39;s mi=
stakes=C2=A0elsewhere take these untruths and put them on FG memorials,=C2=
=A0 Then other folks think that FG is a credible source and repeat these er=
rors back into the other databases.</div></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div=
><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">For inst=
ance, my late wife was descended from Margaret Gavin (born in Liverpool of =
Irish parents) and Angus Weatherhead, her 2nd husband. Margaret&#39;s first=
 husband was Matthew Slattery, reportedly born in Ireland.=C2=A0 Margaret a=
nd Matthew were married in Wisconsin, then moved to Minnesota where they li=
ved with their several children including Helen Slattery.=C2=A0 Matthew die=
d on Christmas Eve 1897.=C2=A0 I have found no record that any of these peo=
ple ever lived in Michigan.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace">Meanwhile there was another Matthew Slattery. Of course, the=
re have been many people named Mattew Slattery!. THIS one married Caherine =
Shields in Michigan.=C2=A0 They had several children, including Helen Slatt=
ery.=C2=A0 This family seems to have stayed in Michigan.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">As soon as someone on Ancestry.=
com (or the like) conflated the two men named Matthew Slattery, the trouble=
 began.=C2=A0 The tangle of incorrect associations for not just Matthew Sla=
ttery, but for Helen Slattery,=C2=A0snowballed=C2=A0out of control.=C2=A0 N=
ext thing you know, there was a conflation of Margaret Gavin and Catherine =
Shields.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monos=
pace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D=
"monospace">Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA</font></span>=
</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0)">2006 Gulf=
 Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:=
rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"monospace">2011=
 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0=
,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"monospace">2021 Ford F=
-150 3500cc twin turbo, white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"monospace">1991 Caterham 1700 Su=
per Sprint, not white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-col=
or:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"monospace"><span class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:monospace">2003 Birkin</span><br></font></span></div>=
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