Subject: Re: [TR] The Moss Rimmer outfit

From: Dave MacKay <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 15:25:15 -0500

I couldn't believe what it cost relatives in the UK to mail Christmas cards
to Canada. I thought our postage was dear but I had no idea how costly it
was in the UK. It cost CAD$3.65 (= GBP2) to mail a Christmas card from
Canada to the UK but it cost our Scottish and Irish relatives almost twice
that (GBP3.20 = CAD$6) to send cards to Canada!

Rimmer Bros uses Deutsche Post for small packages and DHL, Fedex or UPS for
larger parcels. To ship to Canada it's GBP19.88 (or GBP21.87 for 2 day
delivery). Moss doesn't specify what shipper they use (they just say "sent
by a standard carrier service") and they charge a minimum of GBP51 for
shipping.

There must be a good reason that Moss UK hasn't started using the shipper
that Rimmer Bros uses, but ...

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

>From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
>Sent: January 31, 2026 2:59 PM
>Subject: The Moss Rimmer outfit
>
>Dave,
>Not having my old cars any more, I no longer need to worry about either
>firm.
>Re your comments about shipping costs, that’s always been something of a
>running sore. I doubt it will get cheaper as Royal Mail (aka Parcel Farce)
>out of the UK is now in private >ownership (a Czeck recently bought it) and
>even though we’re now out of the EU, we’re still part of the European
>Postal Union run out of Brussels in Belgium. So cheaper freight on >the
>long term? No chance! Might almost be cheaper to fly over for a weekend and
>take what you buy back in your luggage.
>
>Jonmac
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 21:59:21 +0000 (UTC)

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Not to mention a whole lot more fun.
Dave=20

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[email-masked]> wrote:  =20

 Dave,=20
Not having my old cars any more, I no longer need to worry about either fir=
m.
Re your comments about shipping costs, that=E2=80=99s always been something=
 of a running sore. I doubt it will get cheaper as Royal Mail (aka Parcel F=
arce) out of the UK is now in private ownership (a Czeck recently bought it=
) and even though we=E2=80=99re now out of the EU, we=E2=80=99re still part=
 of the European Postal Union run out of Brussels in Belgium. So cheaper fr=
eight on the long term? No chance! Might almost be cheaper to fly over for =
a weekend and take what you buy back in your luggage.

Jonmac

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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave, <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Not =
having my old cars any more, I no longer need to worry about either firm.<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Re your comments about shipping costs, that=E2=80=
=99s always been something of a running sore. I doubt it will get cheaper a=
s Royal Mail (aka Parcel Farce) out of the UK is now in private ownership (=
a Czeck recently bought it) and even though we=E2=80=99re now out of the EU=
, we=E2=80=99re still part of the European Postal Union run out of Brussels=
 in Belgium. So cheaper freight on the long term? No chance! Might almost b=
e cheaper to fly over for a weekend and take what you buy back in your lugg=
age.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jonmac<br></div><=
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 17:11:19 -0500

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I doubt that ANY LBC parts supplier sends parts with shipping costs that
reflect their *actual* shipping costs. They have various plans and
=E2=80=98arrangements=E2=80=99 that become their own profit center for the =
supplier, even
when ordering with the US!

Dave

On Sat, Jan 31, 2026 at 3:50=E2=80=AFPM Dave MacKay <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

> I couldn't believe what it cost relatives in the UK to mail Christmas car=
ds
> was in the UK. It cost CAD$3.65 (=3D GBP2) to mail a Christmas card from
> Canada to the UK but it cost our Scottish and Irish relatives almost twic=
e
> that (GBP3.20 =3D CAD$6) to send cards to Canada!
>
> Rimmer Bros uses Deutsche Post for small packages and DHL, Fedex or UPS f=
or
> delivery). Moss doesn't specify what shipper they use (they just say "sen=
t
> >Re your comments about shipping costs, that=E2=80=99s always been someth=
ing of a
> >running sore. I doubt it will get cheaper as Royal Mail (aka Parcel Farc=
e)
> >even though we=E2=80=99re now out of the EU, we=E2=80=99re still part of=
 the European
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<div dir=3D"auto">I doubt that ANY LBC parts supplier sends parts with ship=
ping costs that reflect their *actual* shipping costs. They have various pl=
ans and =E2=80=98arrangements=E2=80=99 that become their own profit center =
for the supplier, even when ordering with the US!=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan =
31, 2026 at 3:50=E2=80=AFPM Dave MacKay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay=
.ca">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">I couldn&#39;t believe what it cost relatives in the UK to mail Christmas=
 cards<br>
to Canada. I thought our postage was dear but I had no idea how costly it<b=
r>
was in the UK. It cost CAD$3.65 (=3D GBP2) to mail a Christmas card from<br=
Canada to the UK but it cost our Scottish and Irish relatives almost twice<=
br>
that (GBP3.20 =3D CAD$6) to send cards to Canada!<br>
<br>
Rimmer Bros uses Deutsche Post for small packages and DHL, Fedex or UPS for=
<br>
larger parcels. To ship to Canada it&#39;s GBP19.88 (or GBP21.87 for 2 day<=
br>
delivery). Moss doesn&#39;t specify what shipper they use (they just say &q=
uot;sent<br>
by a standard carrier service&quot;) and they charge a minimum of GBP51 for=
<br>
shipping.<br>
<br>
There must be a good reason that Moss UK hasn&#39;t started using the shipp=
er<br>
that Rimmer Bros uses, but ...<br>
<br>
Dave MacKay<br>
1960 Triumph TR3A s/n 68639L<br>
near Toronto, Canada<br>
<br>
&gt;From: John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;Sent: January 31, 2026 2:59 PM<br>
&gt;Subject: The Moss Rimmer outfit<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Dave,<br>
&gt;Not having my old cars any more, I no longer need to worry about either=
<br>
&gt;firm.<br>
&gt;Re your comments about shipping costs, that=E2=80=99s always been somet=
hing of a<br>
&gt;running sore. I doubt it will get cheaper as Royal Mail (aka Parcel Far=
ce)<br>
&gt;out of the UK is now in private &gt;ownership (a Czeck recently bought =
it) and<br>
&gt;even though we=E2=80=99re now out of the EU, we=E2=80=99re still part o=
f the European<br>
&gt;Postal Union run out of Brussels in Belgium. So cheaper freight on &gt;=
the<br>
&gt;long term? No chance! Might almost be cheaper to fly over for a weekend=
 and<br>
&gt;take what you buy back in your luggage.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Jonmac<br>
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From: Mark Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 15:38:12 -0700

On 1/31/26 12:58 PM, John Macartney wrote:

> Might almost be cheaper to fly over for a weekend and take what you buy back in your luggage.
> 

When the lovely wife and I visited Wales and England some years ago, we 
almost missed out flight home.  Our vacation just happened to coincide 
with the TR Register's 25th anniversary event.  While at the show, I 
purchased a prototype TR4A - 6 tube shock conversion kit from 
Racestorations, I believe.  Of course it included the dampers.  Which 
the security personnel at the London airport swore were really bombs, 
not simple car parts.  We were detained for quite a while, until they 
were satisfied they really were just car parts.  What fun!

mjb.

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From: Dean Tetterton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 21:53:01 -0500

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David, you are right. How many times have you had a friend tell you what a
great deal they got on a part they ordered. Seems
that most times they don't tell you what they paid to have the part shipped
or the taxes they paid. Such a deal it was.

When I worked for a living I worked for a company that shipped thousands of
packages UPS a day. We had contracts with
them and paid much less per package than what we charged to the customer.
We loaded them on their trailer in rolling cages
already sorted for the next trailer location. Saved them a lot of sorting
time for delivery. This was before bar codes and automated
sorting conveyors. Like you say, this was a major profit stream.

There are profit streams that most don't know or think about.

Dean T.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2026 at 5:37=E2=80=AFPM David Friedlander <[email-masked]=
om>
wrote:

> =E2=80=98arrangements=E2=80=99 that become their own profit center for th=
e supplier, even
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2026 at 3:50=E2=80=AFPM Dave MacKay <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>> to Canada. I thought our postage was dear but I had no idea how costly i=
t
>> Canada to the UK but it cost our Scottish and Irish relatives almost twi=
ce
>> delivery). Moss doesn't specify what shipper they use (they just say "se=
nt
>> There must be a good reason that Moss UK hasn't started using the shippe=
r
>> >Re your comments about shipping costs, that=E2=80=99s always been somet=
hing of a
>> >even though we=E2=80=99re now out of the EU, we=E2=80=99re still part o=
f the European
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">David, you are right. How many times have you had a friend=
 tell you what a great deal they got on a part they ordered. Seems<div>that=
 most times they don&#39;t tell you what they paid=C2=A0to have the part sh=
ipped or the taxes they paid. Such a deal it was.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
><div>When I worked for a living I worked for a company that shipped thousa=
nds of packages UPS a day. We had contracts with</div><div>them and paid mu=
ch less per package than what we charged=C2=A0to the customer. We loaded th=
em on their=C2=A0trailer in rolling cages</div><div>already sorted for the =
next trailer location. Saved them a lot of sorting time for delivery. This =
was before bar codes and automated</div><div>sorting conveyors. Like you sa=
y, this was a major profit stream.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>There are=
 profit streams=C2=A0that most don&#39;t know or think about.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Dean T.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat,=
 Jan 31, 2026 at 5:37=E2=80=AFPM David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fo=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I doubt that ANY LBC =
parts supplier sends parts with shipping costs that reflect their *actual* =
shipping costs. They have various plans and =E2=80=98arrangements=E2=80=99 =
that become their own profit center for the supplier, even when ordering wi=
th the US!=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</d=
iv><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Sat, Jan 31, 2026 at 3:50=E2=80=AFPM Dave MacKay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I couldn&#39;t believe=
 what it cost relatives in the UK to mail Christmas cards<br>
to Canada. I thought our postage was dear but I had no idea how costly it<b=
r>
was in the UK. It cost CAD$3.65 (=3D GBP2) to mail a Christmas card from<br=
hs/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.=
team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]</a><br>
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