Subject: Re: [TR] A Rover V8 engine?

From: Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:15:52 -0500

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Sir Bentley Haynes?

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 4:01=E2=80=AFPM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Dave Northrup wrote:
>
>
>
> *I know TR engines have =E2=80=9Cthe usual places=E2=80=9D for oil leaks.=
   Is that the
> same for Rover engines?  This is a whole new area for me.*
>
>
>
> Let=E2=80=99s put it this way, Dave. When that engine was used in Buicks =
prior to
> Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Range Rover, it probably
> didn=E2=80=99t leak =E2=80=93 or leak very much.
>
>
>
> However, as soon as it entered production at Solihull, it **should** have
> been fitted with the fully type approved *BL EOSS* kit =E2=80=93 the abbr=
eviation
> stands for British Leyland Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my
> knowledge, every engine made by BL group companies  (and as independents
> before that) leaked oil  and even when they weren=E2=80=99t running! We B=
rits
> always like to give our valued export customers an unanticipated =E2=80=
=98little
> extra=E2=80=99 if we can as a loyalty bonus. However, from your brief des=
cription,
> there appears to be little doubt the power unit in our focus was indeed
> thus equipped and furthermore, the =E2=80=98technology=E2=80=99 in questi=
on still seems to
> be in excellent working order!
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Jonmac
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac=
e">Sir Bentley Haynes?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 4:01=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=
=3D"msg2412713367656621157"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"overflow-wrap: bre=
ak-word;"><div class=3D"m_2412713367656621157WordSection1"><p class=3D"m_24=
12713367656621157xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dave Northrup wrote:<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_2412713367656621157xmsonormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_2412713367656621157=
xmsonormal"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US">I know TR engines have =E2=80=9Cthe usu=
al places=E2=80=9D for oil leaks.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is that the same for Rover en=
gines?=C2=A0 This is a whole new area for me.<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><=
p class=3D"m_2412713367656621157xmsonormal"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></i></p><p class=3D"m_2412713367656621157xmsonormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US">Let=E2=80=99s put it this way, Dave. When that engine wa=
s used in Buicks prior to Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Ran=
ge Rover, it probably didn=E2=80=99t leak =E2=80=93 or leak very much.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_2412713367656621157xmsonormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_2412713367656621157=
xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">However, as soon as it entered production =
at Solihull, it *<b>should</b>* have been fitted with the fully type approv=
ed <b>BL EOSS</b> kit =E2=80=93 the abbreviation stands for British Leyland=
 Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my knowledge, every engine made by=
 BL group companies =C2=A0(and as independents before that) leaked oil=C2=
=A0 and even when they weren=E2=80=99t running! We Brits always like to giv=
e our valued export customers an unanticipated =E2=80=98little extra=E2=80=
=99 if we can as a loyalty bonus. However, from your brief description, the=
re appears to be little doubt the power unit in our focus was indeed thus e=
quipped and furthermore, the =E2=80=98technology=E2=80=99 in question still=
 seems to be in excellent working order!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"m_2412713367656621157xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"m_2412713367656621157xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US">Good luck<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_2412713367656621157xms=
onormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_=
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verdana,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW &quot;uncle=
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verdana,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
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rif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red</span><=
br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida=
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 08:32:29 -0500

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Jonmac,

In the Midwestern portion of the United States we called the EOSS kit the
British car rust control system, as the cars were inevitably pretty crusty
around the edges, but greasy and rust free in the middle.  Regular use of
the car would keep the central chassis rust free.

Greg Lemon
TR250

   Is that the
prior to
eviation
rits
=98little
cription,
on still seems to
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Jonmac,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>In the Midwestern portion of the United States we called the EOSS kit the =
British car rust control system, as the cars were inevitably pretty crusty =
around the edges, but greasy and rust free in the middle.=C2=A0 Regular use=
 of the car would keep the central chassis rust free.</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div>=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 3:58 PM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wra=
p:break-word"><div class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925WordSection1"><p class=3D=
"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dave Northrup wrote=
:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-54246126125=
61381925xmsonormal"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US">I know TR engines have =E2=80=
=9Cthe usual places=E2=80=9D for oil leaks.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is that the same fo=
r Rover engines?=C2=A0 This is a whole new area for me.<u></u><u></u></span=
></i></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><i><span lang=3D"EN-=
US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></i></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xm=
sonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Let=E2=80=99s put it this way, Dave. When th=
at engine was used in Buicks prior to Rover buying the manufacturing rights=
 for the Range Rover, it probably didn=E2=80=99t leak =E2=80=93 or leak ver=
y much.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-54246=
12612561381925xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">However, as soon as it enter=
ed production at Solihull, it *<b>should</b>* have been fitted with the ful=
ly type approved <b>BL EOSS</b> kit =E2=80=93 the abbreviation stands for B=
ritish Leyland Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my knowledge, every =
engine made by BL group companies =C2=A0(and as independents before that) l=
eaked oil=C2=A0 and even when they weren=E2=80=99t running! We Brits always=
 like to give our valued export customers an unanticipated =E2=80=98little =
extra=E2=80=99 if we can as a loyalty bonus. However, from your brief descr=
iption, there appears to be little doubt the power unit in our focus was in=
deed thus equipped and furthermore, the =E2=80=98technology=E2=80=99 in que=
stion still seems to be in excellent working order!<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US">Good luck<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612=
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:57:13 +0100

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Greg,

Only this morning was I at a farm where my wife and I keep our trailer home.=
 The farm is bang opposite a former WW2 airfield that was decommissioned in 1=
947 and used as a transit car park to store new Triumph=E2=80=99s prior to s=
hipment to wherever. That=E2=80=99s where the rust started. I well recall Sa=
turday mornings in the 60s at Honeybourne doing stock checks and looking for=
 cars the delivery companies had =E2=80=9Clost=E2=80=9D. Happy days but fien=
dishly cold in winter as the rain falls horizontally there - and always has :=
)

Jonmac

> On 15 Sep 2023, at 14:32, Greg Lemon <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Jonmac,
>=20
> In the Midwestern portion of the United States we called the EOSS kit the B=
ritish car rust control system, as the cars were inevitably pretty crusty ar=
ound the edges, but greasy and rust free in the middle.  Regular use of the c=
ar would keep the central chassis rust free.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I know TR engines have =E2=80=9Cthe usual places=E2=80=9D for oil leaks. =
  Is that the same for Rover engines?  This is a whole new area for me.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Let=E2=80=99s put it this way, Dave. When that engine was used in Buicks p=
rior to Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Range Rover, it probab=
ly didn=E2=80=99t leak =E2=80=93 or leak very much.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> However, as soon as it entered production at Solihull, it *should* have b=
een fitted with the fully type approved BL EOSS kit =E2=80=93 the abbreviati=
on stands for British Leyland Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my kno=
wledge, every engine made by BL group companies  (and as independents before=
 that) leaked oil  and even when they weren=E2=80=99t running! We Brits alwa=
ys like to give our valued export customers an unanticipated =E2=80=98little=
 extra=E2=80=99 if we can as a loyalty bonus. However, from your brief descr=
iption, there appears to be little doubt the power unit in our focus was ind=
eed thus equipped and furthermore, the =E2=80=98technology=E2=80=99 in quest=
ion still seems to be in excellent working order!
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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ive
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gre=
g,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Only this morning was I a=
t a farm where my wife and I keep our trailer home. The farm is bang opposit=
e a former WW2 airfield that was decommissioned in 1947 and used as a transi=
t car park to store new Triumph=E2=80=99s prior to shipment to wherever. Tha=
t=E2=80=99s where the rust started. I well recall Saturday mornings in the 6=
0s at Honeybourne doing stock checks and looking for cars the delivery compa=
nies had =E2=80=9Clost=E2=80=9D. Happy days but fiendishly cold in winter as=
 the rain falls horizontally there - and always has :)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jonmac</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 15 Sep 2023,=
 at 14:32, Greg Lemon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><div>Jonmac,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">In=
 the Midwestern portion of the United States we called the EOSS kit the Brit=
ish car rust control system, as the cars were inevitably pretty crusty aroun=
d the edges, but greasy and rust free in the middle.&nbsp; Regular use of th=
e car would keep the central chassis rust free.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div><br><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep=
 13, 2023, 3:58 PM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">johnbmacar=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=
=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"=
><div class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925WordSection1"><p class=3D"m_-5424612612=
561381925xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dave Northrup wrote:<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonorma=
l"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US">I know TR engines have =E2=80=9Cthe usual places=E2=
=80=9D for oil leaks.&nbsp; &nbsp;Is that the same for Rover engines?&nbsp; T=
his is a whole new area for me.<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class=3D"m_-5=
424612612561381925xmsonormal"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></=
span></i></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">Let=E2=80=99s put it this way, Dave. When that engine was used in Buicks=
 prior to Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Range Rover, it prob=
ably didn=E2=80=99t leak =E2=80=93 or leak very much.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=
&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">However, as soon as it entered production at Solihull, it *<b>=
should</b>* have been fitted with the fully type approved <b>BL EOSS</b> kit=
 =E2=80=93 the abbreviation stands for British Leyland Engine Oil Spray Syst=
em. To the best of my knowledge, every engine made by BL group companies &nb=
sp;(and as independents before that) leaked oil&nbsp; and even when they wer=
en=E2=80=99t running! We Brits always like to give our valued export custome=
rs an unanticipated =E2=80=98little extra=E2=80=99 if we can as a loyalty bo=
nus. However, from your brief description, there appears to be little doubt t=
he power unit in our focus was indeed thus equipped and furthermore, the =E2=
=80=98technology=E2=80=99 in question still seems to be in excellent working=
 order!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612612561381925xmsonormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5424612=
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