Subject: Re: [TR] 3 questions

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:00:57 +0000 (UTC)

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 Great story, John, as usual.
Sometimes we forget about what technologies were not yet available.=C2=A0 B=
ack in those days plastics were not as prevalent and were rather expensive.=
=C2=A0 The alternative to this process was to stamp steel.=C2=A0 In fact th=
e TR3 tunnel was steel and it was the switch-over to the TR4 where this fib=
re-based process was introduced (at least to the TR line).=C2=A0 Sure, they=
 could have used glass-fibre but the set-up time is more along the lines of=
 an hour rather than 30 seconds.
These days vaccu-formed thermoplastic parts are cheap, resilient, water-res=
istant, long-lasting  and don't smell of fish.=C2=A0 I'm sure B-L would hav=
e loved it had it been available at the time.

Happy Hagmany
=20
Dave=20

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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2022 6:57 am
Subject: [TR] 3 questions

I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company c=
alled Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald =
and TR being made.=20
The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made =
of perforated zinc and then the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 was covered by anoth=
er inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty secon=
ds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and plac=
ed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the s=
tink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the =E2=80=98goop=E2=
=80=99 mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly =
for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink =
of fish as well!
It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an a=
lternative glue whi ch didn=E2=80=99t stink of fish and while the cars them=
selves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those =E2=80=98goop=E2=
=80=99 fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that=E2=
=80=99s why y=E2=80=99all are considering alternatives?

Jonmac

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Great story, John, as usual.</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"3">Sometimes we forget about what technologies were not =
yet available.&nbsp; Back in those days plastics were not as prevalent and =
were rather expensive.&nbsp; The alternative to this process was to stamp s=
teel.&nbsp; In fact the TR3 tunnel was steel and it was the switch-over to =
the TR4 where this fibre-based process was introduced (at least to the TR l=
ine).&nbsp; Sure, they could have used glass-fibre but the set-up time is m=
ore along the lines of an hour rather than 30 seconds.</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"3">These days vaccu-formed thermoplastic parts are cheap=
, resilient, water-resistant, long-lasting </font><font size=3D"3"> and don=
't smell of fish</font><font size=3D"3">.&nbsp; I'm sure B-L would have lov=
ed it had it been available at the time.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
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<div><font size=3D"3">Happy Hagmany<br>
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From: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2022 6:57 am<br>
Subject: [TR] 3 questions<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad =
to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument p=
anels for Herald and TR being made. <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a =
male former made of perforated zinc and then the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 was=
 covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was appl=
ied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inne=
r former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my=
 memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the =
=E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered aroun=
d each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later =
fitted to stink of fish as well!<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestf=
ibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn=E2=80=99t stink of fish and wh=
ile the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those =
=E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I=
 guess that=E2=80=99s why y=E2=80=99all are considering alternatives?<br>
</div>

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From: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 09:25:58 -0500

Love that story John!  I just removed my original 67 TR4A fibreboard tranny tunnel cover and will keep it in storage as one of my TR museum pieces.  I put in a plastic cover that didn’t fit as well but is installed.  I did put the original overdrive cover plates on the plastic cover just like the original.  
Happy New Year
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
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67 4A
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> On Dec 31, 2022, at 8:11 AM, John Macartney <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ‘goop’ was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ‘goop’ mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn’t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ‘goop’ fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that’s why y’all are considering alternatives?
> 
> Jonmac
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
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John, what another useful recollection!

So the process was indeed what it always looked like -- sort of a manual
version of the molded pulp pieces used in packaging (especially egg
cartons).

It's not at all obvious why it took them two years to find an
alternative to isinglass (glue made from fish swim bladders).  Seems even
in those days that would have been about a week's work given the material
choices available (casein/milk protein, soya protein, synthetic
latex/SBR/PVaC/acrylic, polyvinyl alcohol/PVOH, and probably a half dozen
more.  If they'd come to my lab -- even in the late 1970s, when I was
starting in polymer science and technology, this woulda been a doddle.

But then, for Prestfibre to be using that process at all indicates that
they weren't a leading-edge-of-change group.

Keep those stories coming.  And Happy New Year!

-- Don

On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 7:08 AM John Macartney <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>
> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company
> called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Hera=
ld
> and TR being made.
> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former mad=
e
> of perforated zinc and then the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 was covered by ano=
ther inside shape
> former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sor=
t
> of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile
> alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw
> fish as fish glue formed a large part of the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 mixtu=
re. Unfortunately
> the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the
> cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an
> alternative glue whi ch didn=E2=80=99t stink of fish and while the cars t=
hemselves
> no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99=
 fabricated items
> were by no means as long lasting. I guess that=E2=80=99s why y=E2=80=99al=
l are considering
> alternatives?
>
> Jonmac
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Joh=
n, what another useful recollection!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
size:small">So the process was indeed what it always looked like -- sort of=
 a manual version of the molded pulp pieces used in packaging (especially e=
gg cartons).=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=
It&#39;s not at all obvious why it took them two years to find an alternati=
ve=C2=A0to isinglass (glue made from fish swim bladders).=C2=A0 Seems even =
in those days that would have been about a week&#39;s work given the materi=
al choices available=C2=A0(casein/milk protein, soya protein, synthetic lat=
ex/SBR/PVaC/acrylic, polyvinyl alcohol/PVOH, and probably a half dozen more=
.=C2=A0 If they&#39;d come to my lab -- even in the late 1970s, when I was =
starting in polymer science and technology, this woulda been a doddle.</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">But then, for Prestfibre to b=
e using that process at all indicates that they weren&#39;t a leading-edge-=
of-change group.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small=
"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Keep tho=
se stories coming.=C2=A0 And Happy New Year!</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small">-- Don</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 7:08 AM John Macar=
tney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><b=
r>
I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company c=
alled Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald =
and TR being made. <br>
The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made =
of perforated zinc and then the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 was covered by anoth=
er inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty secon=
ds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and plac=
ed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the s=
tink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the =E2=80=98goop=E2=
=80=99 mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly =
for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink =
of fish as well!<br>
It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an a=
lternative glue whi ch didn=E2=80=99t stink of fish and while the cars them=
selves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those =E2=80=98goop=E2=
=80=99 fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that=E2=
=80=99s why y=E2=80=99all are considering alternatives?<br>
<br>
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 16:11:54 +0000

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Hi, Don,

I agree that it wouldnt take a number ten size hat to find an alternative gl=
ue, even that long ago. What you=E2=80=99ve overlooked is the wildcard aka T=
he Purchase Department and its =E2=80=98procedures=E2=80=99. It was purchasi=
ng who were eventually identified as the culprits for screwing up Stag by sp=
ecifying unsuitable aluminium for the cylinder heads, specifying an unsuitab=
le water pump and then specifying an unsuitable radiator - all on the ground=
s of unit cost. Those who ran that department would have made first class ic=
e hockey players as they passed the buck so quickly, no-one knew where it wa=
s hidden. Against that background, two years to find and specify an alternat=
ive glue was pretty quick!=20
Going back to Stag and it=E2=80=99s faults, those responsible were allegedly=
 sacked, but curiously two or three key players wound up in the Purchase Dep=
t at BL Austin Morris where they had the latitude and even more scope for sc=
rewing things up in the volume car division of which MG was an integral part=
, while others joined Ford Europe! How did they get there without being suss=
ed? No idea, but they probably drank in the same pub and a lot of BL people w=
ere Freemasons as well, so anything could happen and in my experience, often=
 did.

Jonmac

> On 31 Dec 2022, at 15:49, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> So the process was indeed what it always looked like -- sort of a manual v=
ersion of the molded pulp pieces used in packaging (especially egg cartons).=
 =20
>=20
> It's not at all obvious why it took them two years to find an alternative t=
o isinglass (glue made from fish swim bladders).  Seems even in those days t=
hat would have been about a week's work given the material choices available=
 (casein/milk protein, soya protein, synthetic latex/SBR/PVaC/acrylic, polyv=
inyl alcohol/PVOH, and probably a half dozen more.  If they'd come to my lab=
 -- even in the late 1970s, when I was starting in polymer science and techn=
ology, this woulda been a doddle.
>=20
> But then, for Prestfibre to be using that process at all indicates that th=
ey weren't a leading-edge-of-change group.
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 7:08 AM John Macartney <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>=20
>> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company=
 called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald=
 and TR being made.=20
>> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former mad=
e of perforated zinc and then the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 was covered by anot=
her inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty secon=
ds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and place=
d in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the sti=
nk of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99=
 mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for man=
y months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish a=
s well!
>> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an=
 alternative glue whi ch didn=E2=80=99t stink of fish and while the cars the=
mselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=
=99 fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that=E2=80=99=
s why y=E2=80=99all are considering alternatives?
b
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hi, Don,<div><br></div><div>I agree that it=
 wouldnt take a number ten size hat to find an alternative glue, even that l=
ong ago. What you=E2=80=99ve overlooked is the wildcard aka The Purchase Dep=
artment and its =E2=80=98procedures=E2=80=99. It was purchasing who were eve=
ntually identified as the culprits for screwing up Stag by specifying unsuit=
able aluminium for the cylinder heads, specifying an unsuitable water pump a=
nd then specifying an unsuitable radiator - all on the grounds of unit cost.=
 Those who ran that department would have made first class ice hockey player=
s as they passed the buck so quickly, no-one knew where it was hidden. Again=
st that background, two years to find and specify an alternative glue was pr=
etty quick!&nbsp;</div><div>Going back to Stag and it=E2=80=99s faults, thos=
e responsible were allegedly sacked, but curiously two or three key players w=
ound up in the Purchase Dept at BL Austin Morris where they had the latitude=
 and even more scope for screwing things up in the volume car division of wh=
ich MG was an integral part, while others joined Ford Europe! How did they g=
et there without being sussed? No idea, but they probably drank in the same p=
ub and a lot of BL people were Freemasons as well, so anything could happen a=
nd in my experience, often did.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div i=
d=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus=
 I found in King Tut=E2=80=99s tomb</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 31 Dec 2022=
, at 15:49, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">don.his=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:s=
mall">John, what another useful recollection!</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-size:small">So the process was indeed what it always looked like -- so=
rt of a manual version of the molded pulp pieces used in packaging (especial=
ly egg cartons).&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small=
">It's not at all obvious why it took them two years to find an alternative&=
nbsp;to isinglass (glue made from fish swim bladders).&nbsp; Seems even in t=
hose days that would have been about a week's work given the material choice=
s available&nbsp;(casein/milk protein, soya protein, synthetic latex/SBR/PVa=
C/acrylic, polyvinyl alcohol/PVOH, and probably a half dozen more.&nbsp; If t=
hey'd come to my lab -- even in the late 1970s, when I was starting in polym=
er science and technology, this woulda been a doddle.</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-size:small">But then, for Prestfibre to be using that process=
 at all indicates that they weren't a leading-edge-of-change group.</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Keep those stories coming.&nbsp; An=
d Happy New Year!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small=
"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">-- Don</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 7:08 AM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:johnb=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company ca=
lled Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald an=
d TR being made. <br>
The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made o=
f perforated zinc and then the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 was covered by another=
 inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds l=
ater a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in=
 a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink o=
f raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99 mi=
xture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many m=
onths and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as w=
ell!<br>
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ternative glue whi ch didn=E2=80=99t stink of fish and while the cars themse=
lves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those =E2=80=98goop=E2=80=99=
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hy y=E2=80=99all are considering alternatives?<br>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 11:19:49 -0500

Am I the only one who has an original fibreboard tunnel which is
perfectly serviceable?  (In fact, I have two - 75 TR6 and 76
Spitfire.)

Several years ago, I bought a plastic tunnel for a Big Name company.
Had a friend over to help me put the transmission back in.  He sat
there for 45 minutes, drinking my beer and watching me try to fit that
plastic b*st*rd in, before pointing out that he's never seen a
cardboard cover in better shape,and why didnt' I just use that?  Which
was a perfectly reasonable question, for which I had no reasonable
answer.

I have since formed some reinforcing strips out of stainless steel for
the corners and softer spots.  Still works fine after 47 years.
Anyone want a plastic TR6 tunnel cover?  It could be had cheaply...

-- Jeff

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:47:07 -0500

That's why I glued some sardines on the underside of my ABS covers - to maintain the authentic odour. 😊 Happy New Year to all the great "wisdom retainers" on this list. All the best in 2023. Don't forget to get your TRs out for a drive on Sir John Black's birthday.

Keith Stewart
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From: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 22:08:54 +0000

I have a friend who is the original owner of a 74, and another friend who inherited a TR6 from her uncle, who bought it new.  Both have cardboard.  And I had a TR4 where the original owner, or maybe the second owner (I was the 3rd) who fiberglassed the original cardboard.

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 10:20 AM
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] 3 questions

Am I the only one who has an original fibreboard tunnel which is perfectly serviceable?  (In fact, I have two - 75 TR6 and 76
Spitfire.)

Several years ago, I bought a plastic tunnel for a Big Name company.
Had a friend over to help me put the transmission back in.  He sat there for 45 minutes, drinking my beer and watching me try to fit that plastic b*st*rd in, before pointing out that he's never seen a cardboard cover in better shape,and why didnt' I just use that?  Which was a perfectly reasonable question, for which I had no reasonable answer.

I have since formed some reinforcing strips out of stainless steel for the corners and softer spots.  Still works fine after 47 years.
Anyone want a plastic TR6 tunnel cover?  It could be had cheaply...

-- Jeff

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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 22:21:36 +0000

Keith Stewart wrote:
. Don't forget to get your TRs out for a drive on Sir John Black's birthday.

Agreed on that. I don’t own any Triumphs now but I will be making a respectful trip to www.mallory.co.uk in my Swedish beast.

I think I can afford just one little celebratory drink in the bar because Mallory Court is Sir John’s former home and now a frighteningly expensive prestige hotel. If anyone thinks a visit might be worth it on a future UK trip. Put your clothes in your wallet and stuff your suitcase with cash. You’ll need all the cash if you decide to eat and overnight there!

Jonmac

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From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:03:29 -0800

👍 Drive Your Triumph Day, Feb 10th.

Rye
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From: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 18:45:23 -0500

Wow!  Sign me up for that place!
Jim

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