Subject: Re: [TR] Horn relay questions

From: DAVID GILL <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 08:43:21 -0400

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Thanks David. You always have good advice. I=E2=80=99m getting about 9 volts=
 on the purple and yellow wire with the bottom pushed. 11.7 volts on the pur=
ple with the button pushed. The relay is only operating intermittently now a=
nd I am pretty confident it is toes up. I=E2=80=99ve cleaned all of the cont=
acts and tested the horns with direct power. One worked well and I had to di=
sassemble the high tone. Cleaned the points and it appears to be operational=
 now. I=E2=80=99m going to do a bit of cleanup and reassemble it this mornin=
g. I=E2=80=99m relatively confident that a new relay will get me done with t=
his little project. Regards,=20
David Gill

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2021, at 8:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> The follow-up question is what voltage do you read on the Purple wire when=
 the horn button is pushed?  There could be a poor connection anywhere in th=
at line and at the fuse itself.  Try disconnection and reconnecting everythi=
ng (that is convenient) in that circuit.  This will scrape off some of the a=
ccumulated corrosion and can make things work again.
>=20
> Do the easy stuff first, I always say.  (Sometimes I even follow my advice=
. ;-) )
>=20
> Dave=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Danielson <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2021 6:19 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Horn relay questions
>=20
> AAW Wiring diagrams are per model year and very accurate and it shows the h=
orn relay as being 4 pin fed by P, PB and PY
> =20
> =20
> =20
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
> =20
> From: [email-masked]
> Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 6:47 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [TR] Horn relay questions
> =20
> I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 1976 TR6 that appears to be original.  I a=
m only getting 9 volts on the purple/yellow output to the horns so I am assu=
ming a bad relay, but I cannot find the purpose of the 5th pin.  It is not t=
he horn ground from the push button, input from the fuse box or output to th=
e horns.  My wiring diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.  I cannot r=
ead the pin identifiers so there is no help there.  The wire is black with a=
 tracer color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.  Any ideas wou=
ld be appreciated.
> David Gill
> 1976 TR6
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks David. You always have good advice. I=
=E2=80=99m getting about 9 volts on the purple and yellow wire with the bott=
om pushed. 11.7 volts on the purple with the button pushed. The relay is onl=
y operating intermittently now and I am pretty confident it is toes up. I=E2=
=80=99ve cleaned all of the contacts and tested the horns with direct power.=
 One worked well and I had to disassemble the high tone. Cleaned the points a=
nd it appears to be operational now. I=E2=80=99m going to do a bit of cleanu=
p and reassemble it this morning. I=E2=80=99m relatively confident that a ne=
w relay will get me done with this little project. Regards,&nbsp;<div>David G=
ill<br><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 3, 2021, at 8:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY &lt;da=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">The follow-up question is what voltage do you read on=
 the Purple wire when the horn button is pushed?&nbsp; There could be a poor=
 connection anywhere in that line and at the fuse itself.&nbsp; Try disconne=
ction and reconnecting everything (that is convenient) in that circuit.&nbsp=
; This will scrape off some of the accumulated corrosion and can make things=
 work again.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Do the easy stuff first, I always say.&nbsp; (Sometime=
s I even follow my advice. ;-) )</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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From: Bob Danielson &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;trium=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2021 6:19 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Horn relay questions<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv1476358240MsoNormal">AAW Wiring diagrams are per model year=
 and very accurate and it shows the horn relay as being 4 pin fed by P, PB a=
nd PY</div>

<div class=3D"yiv1476358240MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv1476358240MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv1476358240MsoNormal">Bob Danielson<br>
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets<br>
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm</div>

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<b>Subject: </b>[TR] Horn relay questions</div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv1476358240MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;, sans-serif;color:black;">I have a 5 pin horn relay o=
n my 1976 TR6 that appears to be original.&nbsp; I am only getting 9 volts o=
n the purple/yellow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I c=
annot find the purpose of the 5th pin.&nbsp; It is not the horn ground from t=
he push button, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.&nbsp; My wir=
ing diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.&nbsp; I cannot read the pin=
 identifiers so there is no help there.&nbsp; The wire is black with a trace=
r color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.&nbsp; Any ideas woul=
d be appreciated. </span></div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv1476358240MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;, sans-serif;color:black;">David Gill</span></div>
</div>
</div>

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amily:&quot;Arial&quot;, sans-serif;color:black;">1976 TR6</span></div>

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 13:20:17 +0000 (UTC)

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 It sounds like you've done your homework and it looks like the relay is fa=
ulty.=C2=A0 What happens if you pull the purple/yellow and the purple wires=
 off of the relay and touch them together?
The OE metal can relays are a bit pricey but you can get a standard cube re=
lay at your local FLAPS which will work fine.=C2=A0 If you get one of those=
 connect the purple/black and one of the purple wires to pins 85 and 86 (so=
me relays have a diode so connect the purple wire to terminal 86 just in ca=
se) and connect the other purple and the purple/yellow wires to terminals 8=
7 and 30.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: DAVID GILL <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2021 7:43 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Horn relay questions

Thanks David. You always have good advice. I=E2=80=99m getting about 9 volt=
s on the purple and yellow wire with the bottom pushed. 11.7 volts on the p=
urple with the button pushed. The relay is only operating intermittently no=
w and I am pretty confident it is toes up. I=E2=80=99ve cleaned all of the =
contacts and tested the horns with direct power. One worked well and I had =
to disassemble the high tone. Cleaned the points and it appears to be opera=
tional now. I=E2=80=99m going to do a bit of cleanup and reassemble it this=
 morning. I=E2=80=99m relatively confident that a new relay will get me don=
e with this little project. Regards,=C2=A0David Gill

Sent from my iPhone

=EF=BB=BF The follow-up question is what voltage do you read on the Purple =
wire when the horn button is pushed?=C2=A0 There could be a poor connection=
 anywhere in that line and at the fuse itself.=C2=A0 Try disconnection and =
reconnecting everything (that is convenient) in that circuit.=C2=A0 This wi=
ll scrape off some of the accumulated corrosion and can make things work ag=
ain.
Do the easy stuff first, I always say.=C2=A0 (Sometimes I even follow my ad=
vice. ;-) )
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Danielson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <triumphs@auto=
x.team.net>

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B and PY =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Bob Dani=
elson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm =C2=A0From: [email-masked]=
om
Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 6:47 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] Horn relay questions =C2=A0I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 19=
76 TR6 that appears to be original.=C2=A0 I am only getting 9 volts on the =
purple/yellow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I canno=
t find the purpose of the 5th pin.=C2=A0 It is not the horn ground from the=
 push button, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.=C2=A0 My wiri=
ng diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.=C2=A0 I cannot read the pin=
 identifiers so there is no help there.=C2=A0 The wire is black with a trac=
er color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.=C2=A0 Any ideas wo=
uld be appreciated. David Gill1976 TR6 =C2=A0** [email-masked] **

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">It sounds like you've done your homework and it look=
s like the relay is faulty.&nbsp; What happens if you pull the purple/yello=
w and the purple wires off of the relay and touch them together?</font></di=
v>

<div><font size=3D"3">The OE metal can relays are a bit pricey but you can =
get a standard cube relay at your local FLAPS which will work fine.&nbsp; I=
f you get one of those connect the purple/black and one of the purple wires=
 to pins 85 and 86 (some relays have a diode so connect the purple wire to =
terminal 86 just in case) and connect the other purple and the purple/yello=
w wires to terminals 87 and 30.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: DAVID GILL &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2021 7:43 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Horn relay questions<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv4172296497">
<div>Thanks David. You always have good advice. I=E2=80=99m getting about 9=
 volts on the purple and yellow wire with the bottom pushed. 11.7 volts on =
the purple with the button pushed. The relay is only operating intermittent=
ly now and I am pretty confident it is toes up. I=E2=80=99ve cleaned all of=
 the contacts and tested the horns with direct power. One worked well and I=
 had to disassemble the high tone. Cleaned the points and it appears to be =
operational now. I=E2=80=99m going to do a bit of cleanup and reassemble it=
 this morning. I=E2=80=99m relatively confident that a new relay will get m=
e done with this little project. Regards,&nbsp;
<div>David Gill<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 3, 202=
1, at 8:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"n=
one"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">

<div> <font size=3D"3">The follow-up question is what voltage do you read o=
n the Purple wire when the horn button is pushed?&nbsp; There could be a po=
or connection anywhere in that line and at the fuse itself.&nbsp; Try disco=
nnection and reconnecting everything (that is convenient) in that circuit.&=
nbsp; This will scrape off some of the accumulated corrosion and can make t=
hings work again.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br clear=3D"none">
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Do the easy stuff first, I always say.&nbsp; (Sometim=
es I even follow my advice. ;-) )</font><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div> <br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both;"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>

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</div>

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nt size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Bob Danielson &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"=
To: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;triu=
[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2021 6:19 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [TR] Horn relay questions<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv4172296497MsoNormal">AAW Wiring diagrams are per model yea=
r and very accurate and it shows the horn relay as being 4 pin fed by P, PB=
 and PY</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4172296497MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4172296497MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4172296497MsoNormal">Bob Danielson<br clear=3D"none">
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets<br clear=3D"none">
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm</div>

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<b>Subject: </b>[TR] Horn relay questions</div>

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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4172296497MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 1976 TR6 th=
at appears to be original.&nbsp; I am only getting 9 volts on the purple/ye=
llow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I cannot find th=
e purpose of the 5th pin.&nbsp; It is not the horn ground from the push but=
ton, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.&nbsp; My wiring diagra=
ms all show only 4 pins for the relay.&nbsp; I cannot read the pin identifi=
ers so there is no help there.&nbsp; The wire is black with a tracer color =
that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.&nbsp; Any ideas would be ap=
preciated. </span></div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4172296497MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">David Gill</span></div>

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 09:27:30 -0400

If you can disassemble the horn, you should be able to disassemble the
relay.  Try cleaning the points in it.  What have you got to lose?

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 8:43 AM DAVID GILL <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Thanks David. You always have good advice. I’m getting about 9 volts on the purple and yellow wire with the bottom pushed. 11.7 volts on the purple with the button pushed. The relay is only operating intermittently now and I am pretty confident it is toes up. I’ve cleaned all of the contacts and tested the horns with direct power. One worked well and I had to disassemble the high tone. Cleaned the points and it appears to be operational now. I’m going to do a bit of cleanup and reassemble it this morning. I’m relatively confident that a new relay will get me done with this little project. Regards,
> David Gill
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> The follow-up question is what voltage do you read on the Purple wire when the horn button is pushed?  There could be a poor connection anywhere in that line and at the fuse itself.  Try disconnection and reconnecting everything (that is convenient) in that circuit.  This will scrape off some of the accumulated corrosion and can make things work again.
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> Do the easy stuff first, I always say.  (Sometimes I even follow my advice. ;-) )
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> Dave
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> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> AAW Wiring diagrams are per model year and very accurate and it shows the horn relay as being 4 pin fed by P, PB and PY
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> Bob Danielson
> I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 1976 TR6 that appears to be original.  I am only getting 9 volts on the purple/yellow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I cannot find the purpose of the 5th pin.  It is not the horn ground from the push button, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.  My wiring diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.  I cannot read the pin identifiers so there is no help there.  The wire is black with a tracer color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
> David Gill
> 1976 TR6
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