Subject: [TR] Horn relay questions

From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:44:12 +0000 (UTC)

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I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 1976 TR6 that appears to be original.=C2=A0=
 I am only getting 9 volts on the purple/yellow output to the horns so I am=
 assuming a bad relay, but I cannot find the purpose of the 5th pin.=C2=A0 =
It is not the horn ground from the push button, input from the fuse box or =
output to the horns.=C2=A0 My wiring diagrams all show only 4 pins for the =
relay.=C2=A0 I cannot read the pin identifiers so there is no help there.=
=C2=A0 The wire is black with a tracer color that is faded so I cannot dete=
rmine what it is.=C2=A0 Any ideas would be appreciated.David Gill1976 TR6
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<div style="color:black;font: 10pt arial;">I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 1976 TR6 that appears to be original.&nbsp; I am only getting 9 volts on the purple/yellow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I cannot find the purpose of the 5th pin.&nbsp; It is not the horn ground from the push button, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.&nbsp; My wiring diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.&nbsp; I cannot read the pin identifiers so there is no help there.&nbsp; The wire is black with a tracer color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.&nbsp; Any ideas would be appreciated.
<div>David Gill</div>

<div>1976 TR6</div>
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From: Bob Danielson <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 07:19:46 -0400

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AAW Wiring diagrams are per model year and very accurate and it shows the h=
orn relay as being 4 pin fed by P, PB and PY

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

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Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 6:47 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] Horn relay questions

rmine what it is.=C2=A0 Any ideas would be appreciated.=20
David Gill
1976 TR6

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=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bob Danielson<br>TR6=
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mily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><=
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ne;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, September 3, 2021 6:47 AM<br><b>To: </b><a h=
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bject: </b>[TR] Horn relay questions</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 197=
6 TR6 that appears to be original.&nbsp; I am only getting 9 volts on the p=
urple/yellow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I cannot=
 find the purpose of the 5th pin.&nbsp; It is not the horn ground from the =
push button, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.&nbsp; My wirin=
g diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.&nbsp; I cannot read the pin =
identifiers so there is no help there.&nbsp; The wire is black with a trace=
r color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.&nbsp; Any ideas wou=
ld be appreciated. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>David G=
ill<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>1976 TR6<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></body></html=
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From: DAVID GILL <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 07:46:24 -0400

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Thanks Bob. That=E2=80=99s one of the wiring diagrams I have checked. After s=
ome more investigation, I believe that the pin (which I have determined is b=
lack with a blue tracer) is the horn ground. I assumed that the horns would g=
round to a tab on the chassis but they seem to ground to the horn relay thro=
ugh the wiring harness.  Not what the books or wiring diagrams say, but that=
=E2=80=99s the case with my TR6 and I believe it is original. If I go to a 4=
 pin relay, I=E2=80=99ll have to ground the horns separately it seems. Thank=
s again for the response.=20
David Gill
1976 TR6

Sent from my iPhone

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rote:
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> I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 1976 TR6 that appears to be original.  I a=
m only getting 9 volts on the purple/yellow output to the horns so I am assu=
ming a bad relay, but I cannot find the purpose of the 5th pin.  It is not t=
he horn ground from the push button, input from the fuse box or output to th=
e horns.  My wiring diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.  I cannot r=
ead the pin identifiers so there is no help there.  The wire is black with a=
 tracer color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.  Any ideas wou=
ld be appreciated.
> =20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks Bob. That=E2=80=99s one of the wirin=
g diagrams I have checked. After some more investigation, I believe that the=
 pin (which I have determined is black with a blue tracer) is the horn groun=
d. I assumed that the horns would ground to a tab on the chassis but they se=
em to ground to the horn relay through the wiring harness. &nbsp;Not what th=
e books or wiring diagrams say, but that=E2=80=99s the case with my TR6 and I=
 believe it is original. If I go to a 4 pin relay, I=E2=80=99ll have to grou=
nd the horns separately it seems. Thanks again for the response.&nbsp;<div>D=
avid Gill</div><div>1976 TR6<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 3, 2021, at 7:19 AM,=
 Bob Danielson &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockqu=
ote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equ=
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grams are per model year and very accurate and it shows the horn relay as be=
ing 4 pin fed by P, PB and PY</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><div>&lt=
;6B8E42070E7949809DC5BA176C17B02E.png&gt;</div></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bob Danielson<br>TR6 Interior Pane=
ls, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets<br>http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelB=
ootSales1.htm</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D"m=
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"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Se=
nt: </b>Friday, September 3, 2021 6:47 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:tr=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] H=
orn relay questions</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 1976 TR6 t=
hat appears to be original.&nbsp; I am only getting 9 volts on the purple/ye=
llow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I cannot find the=
 purpose of the 5th pin.&nbsp; It is not the horn ground from the push butto=
n, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.&nbsp; My wiring diagrams a=
ll show only 4 pins for the relay.&nbsp; I cannot read the pin identifiers s=
o there is no help there.&nbsp; The wire is black with a tracer color that i=
s faded so I cannot determine what it is.&nbsp; Any ideas would be appreciat=
ed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">David Gill<o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">1976 TR6<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div>&l=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 12:27:20 +0000 (UTC)

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 The follow-up question is what voltage do you read on the Purple wire when=
 the horn button is pushed?=C2=A0 There could be a poor connection anywhere=
 in that line and at the fuse itself.=C2=A0 Try disconnection and reconnect=
ing everything (that is convenient) in that circuit.=C2=A0 This will scrape=
 off some of the accumulated corrosion and can make things work again.
Do the easy stuff first, I always say.=C2=A0 (Sometimes I even follow my ad=
vice. ;-) )
=20
Dave=20

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Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2021 6:19 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Horn relay questions

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=C2=A0Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm =C2=A0From: [email-masked]=
om
Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 6:47 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] Horn relay questions =C2=A0I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 19=
76 TR6 that appears to be original.=C2=A0 I am only getting 9 volts on the =
purple/yellow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I canno=
t find the purpose of the 5th pin.=C2=A0 It is not the horn ground from the=
 push button, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.=C2=A0 My wiri=
ng diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.=C2=A0 I cannot read the pin=
 identifiers so there is no help there.=C2=A0 The wire is black with a trac=
er color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.=C2=A0 Any ideas wo=
uld be appreciated. David Gill1976 TR6 =C2=A0** [email-masked] **

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<div> <font size="3">The follow-up question is what voltage do you read on the Purple wire when the horn button is pushed?&nbsp; There could be a poor connection anywhere in that line and at the fuse itself.&nbsp; Try disconnection and reconnecting everything (that is convenient) in that circuit.&nbsp; This will scrape off some of the accumulated corrosion and can make things work again.</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">Do the easy stuff first, I always say.&nbsp; (Sometimes I even follow my advice. ;-) )</font><br>
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<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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<div class="yiv1476358240MsoNormal">Bob Danielson<br>
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets<br>
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm</div>

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<div class="yiv1476358240MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;, sans-serif;color:black;">I have a 5 pin horn relay on my 1976 TR6 that appears to be original.&nbsp; I am only getting 9 volts on the purple/yellow output to the horns so I am assuming a bad relay, but I cannot find the purpose of the 5th pin.&nbsp; It is not the horn ground from the push button, input from the fuse box or output to the horns.&nbsp; My wiring diagrams all show only 4 pins for the relay.&nbsp; I cannot read the pin identifiers so there is no help there.&nbsp; The wire is black with a tracer color that is faded so I cannot determine what it is.&nbsp; Any ideas would be appreciated. </span></div>

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