Subject: [TR] TR2 Rear Brake Drum/Axle Success - Kind Of

From: David Gunn <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 23:12:22 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all greatly appreciated.=C2=
=A0 I liberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating oil.=C2=A0 Due =
to the smoke and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back out to the sho=
p for a couple of days.=C2=A0 But, when I did, it popped right off!=C2=A0 I=
 didn't see any signs of massive rust, so I am guessing that it was just ol=
d oil, grease and misc road grime.=C2=A0 I will clean everything real well =
before I put it back together.
I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per the Service Instruction M=
anual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing).=C2=A0 I am also using the Ha=
ynes book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 axle.=C2=A0 One int=
eresting item to note:=C2=A0 when removing the nut and washer on the left s=
ide, I found 3 shims behind the washer.=C2=A0 They were made from a Budweis=
er can, so I know that they are not original.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Not sure why, bu=
t I will probably put them back.=C2=A0 The left side is not the side that w=
as originally leaking.

I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts holding the hub to the axle c=
asing, and expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft out, as the manu=
al says. But nothing budged.=C2=A0 I then pounded a thin paint scraper betw=
een the hub and axle casing.=C2=A0 That was the only place that I could see=
 where it could come apart.=C2=A0 It did, and I removed the hub, but no axl=
e shaft.=C2=A0 The oil seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings a=
re still attached somehow.=C2=A0 The axle shaft=C2=A0 does spin, and does p=
ush in and pull out about 1/4 inch, or less..=C2=A0 I thought the the beari=
ng and seal and hub needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft.
I don't remember the specifics of replacing the oil seals previously.=C2=A0=
 Evidently, I ran into the same problem before, just installed the oil seal=
s, and then reassembled.
In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it looks like part of it has nev=
er seen any oil.=C2=A0 It is completely dry.=C2=A0 Yes, I have kept the rea=
r end full, and have greased the grease fitting.=C2=A0 Also, it does appear=
 that the wheel bearings have been replaced before (not by me), as they are=
 marked "made in the USA"=C2=A0 The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft =
out is twofold:=C2=A0 1)=C2=A0 I like to follow instructions, and that's wh=
at the manual said, and 2) I wanted to look at the wheel bearing.
So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle shaft just slide out, as th=
e manual says?=C2=A0 What am I missing?
I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them to my Flickr site, in an=
 album labeled "TR2".=C2=A0 They are at the end of the album.=C2=A0 I also =
included pictures of the rear axle drawings and instructions from the manua=
l, plus "Service Diagnosis" (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has be=
en, clean.

The link to that album is:=C2=A0 TR2

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I tried to take pictures of everything, including the axle shaft "pulled ou=
t" and "pushed in".=C2=A0 There's also pictures of the Bud shims.
I have not attempted to take the right side off.=C2=A0 Just in case I am do=
ing something wrong; although, it is at the point where the axle shaft shou=
ld just pull out, and it doesn't.
A last (for now) interesting note.=C2=A0 I acquired the TR2 from a friend a=
bout 1985.=C2=A0 I drove it for about a year, then parked it and raised kid=
s.=C2=A0 I started my restoration about 2002, and finished a couple of year=
s later. As I said before, it has been parked again since about 2011.=C2=A0=
 Of it's 67 year life, I have owned it for about 36 years, but certainly no=
t driving it.

Thank you, in advance, for your help,
David

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d.&nbsp; I liberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating oil.&nbsp;=
 Due to the smoke and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back out to th=
e shop for a couple of days.&nbsp; But, when I did, it popped right off!&nb=
sp; I didn't see any signs of massive rust, so I am guessing that it was ju=
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ving the axle shafts, as per the Service Instruction Manual for the TR2. (3=
d Edition, 6th printing).&nbsp; I am also using the Haynes book for Triumph=
s. I have the earlier style of TR2 axle.&nbsp; One interesting item to note=
:&nbsp; when removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 shims =
behind the washer.&nbsp; They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know tha=
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oil seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings are still attached s=
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assembled.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">In looking at the oil seal I just removed, i=
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&nbsp; Yes, I have kept the rear end full, and have greased the grease fitt=
ing.&nbsp; Also, it does appear that the wheel bearings have been replaced =
before (not by me), as they are marked "made in the USA"&nbsp; The reason I=
 wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold:&nbsp; 1)&nbsp; I like to fol=
low instructions, and that's what the manual said, and 2) I wanted to look =
at the wheel bearing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div=
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able></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false">I tried to take pictures of everything, including the a=
xle shaft "pulled out" and "pushed in".&nbsp; There's also pictures of the =
Bud shims.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I have not attempted to take the right side =
off.&nbsp; Just in case I am doing something wrong; although, it is at the =
point where the axle shaft should just pull out, and it doesn't.</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false">A last (for now) interesting note.&nbsp; I acquired the TR2 from a =
friend about 1985.&nbsp; I drove it for about a year, then parked it and ra=
ised kids.&nbsp; I started my restoration about 2002, and finished a couple=
 of years later. As I said before, it has been parked again since about 201=
1.&nbsp; Of it's 67 year life, I have owned it for about 36 years, but cert=
ainly not driving it.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thank you, in advance, for your=
 help,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false">David<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fal=
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From: Tony Drews <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 18:50:29 -0500

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Well, I'm not sure about the rear axle, but I'm glad I went to your 
Flickr album!  You've done a marvelous job, that's a gorgeous car!

I'm more familiar with the later axle, I suspect that the bearing is 
what's holding the axle into the housing.  You could try sticking the 
hub back on, put a nut on the end and bash on the hub with a rubber 
mallet or something that won't hurt the hub - maybe a piece of wood and 
a larger hammer?  This is JUST A GUESS, I'm looking forward to other 
replies.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 9/2/2021 6:12 PM, David Gunn wrote:
> Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all greatly 
> appreciated.  I liberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating 
> oil.  Due to the smoke and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back 
> out to the shop for a couple of days.  But, when I did, it popped 
> right off!  I didn't see any signs of massive rust, so I am guessing 
> that it was just old oil, grease and misc road grime.  I will clean 
> everything real well before I put it back together.
>
> I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per the Service 
> Instruction Manual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing).  I am also 
> using the Haynes book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 
> axle.  One interesting item to note:  when removing the nut and washer 
> on the left side, I found 3 shims behind the washer.  They were made 
> from a Budweiser can, so I know that they are not original. Emoji  Not 
> sure why, but I will probably put them back.  The left side is not the 
> side that was originally leaking.
>
> I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts holding the hub to the 
> axle casing, and expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft out, 
> as the manual says. But nothing budged.  I then pounded a thin paint 
> scraper between the hub and axle casing.  That was the only place that 
> I could see where it could come apart.  It did, and I removed the hub, 
> but no axle shaft.  The oil seal came out with the hub, but the wheel 
> bearings are still attached somehow.  The axle shaft  does spin, and 
> does push in and pull out about 1/4 inch, or less..  I thought the the 
> bearing and seal and hub needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft.
>
> I don't remember the specifics of replacing the oil seals previously.  
> Evidently, I ran into the same problem before, just installed the oil 
> seals, and then reassembled.
>
> In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it looks like part of it 
> has never seen any oil.  It is completely dry.  Yes, I have kept the 
> rear end full, and have greased the grease fitting.  Also, it does 
> appear that the wheel bearings have been replaced before (not by me), 
> as they are marked "made in the USA"  The reason I wanted to take the 
> axle shaft out is twofold:  1)  I like to follow instructions, and 
> that's what the manual said, and 2) I wanted to look at the wheel bearing.
>
> So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle shaft just slide out, 
> as the manual says?  What am I missing?
>
> I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them to my Flickr site, 
> in an album labeled "TR2".  They are at the end of the album.  I also 
> included pictures of the rear axle drawings and instructions from the 
> manual, plus "Service Diagnosis" (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, 
> and has been, clean.
>
> The link to that album is: TR2 
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/albums/72157602881332130/page1>
>
>
> 	
>
> 	
>
>
>     TR2
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/albums/72157602881332130/page1>
>
> I tried to take pictures of everything, including the axle shaft 
> "pulled out" and "pushed in".  There's also pictures of the Bud shims.
>
> I have not attempted to take the right side off.  Just in case I am 
> doing something wrong; although, it is at the point where the axle 
> shaft should just pull out, and it doesn't.
>
> A last (for now) interesting note.  I acquired the TR2 from a friend 
> about 1985.  I drove it for about a year, then parked it and raised 
> kids.  I started my restoration about 2002, and finished a couple of 
> years later. As I said before, it has been parked again since about 
> 2011.  Of it's 67 year life, I have owned it for about 36 years, but 
> certainly not driving it.
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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    <p>Well, I'm not sure about the rear axle, but I'm glad I went to
      your Flickr album!  You've done a marvelous job, that's a gorgeous
      car!</p>
    <p>I'm more familiar with the later axle, I suspect that the bearing
      is what's holding the axle into the housing.  You could try
      sticking the hub back on, put a nut on the end and bash on the hub
      with a rubber mallet or something that won't hurt the hub - maybe
      a piece of wood and a larger hammer?  This is JUST A GUESS, I'm
      looking forward to other replies.</p>
    <p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2021 6:12 PM, David Gunn wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi All - Thanks for the
          suggestions, they are all greatly appreciated.  I liberally
          sprayed the offending drum with penetrating oil.  Due to the
          smoke and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back out to
          the shop for a couple of days.  But, when I did, it popped
          right off!  I didn't see any signs of massive rust, so I am
          guessing that it was just old oil, grease and misc road
          grime.  I will clean everything real well before I put it back
          together.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I then set about removing the
          axle shafts, as per the Service Instruction Manual for the
          TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing).  I am also using the Haynes
          book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 axle.  One
          interesting item to note:  when removing the nut and washer on
          the left side, I found 3 shims behind the washer.  They were
          made from a Budweiser can, so I know that they are not
          original.  <img title="Emoji" alt="Emoji"
            class="yahoo-emoji-wrapper"
            src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f600.png"
            style="padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;"
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            width="16" height="16">  Not sure why, but I will probably
          put them back.  The left side is not the side that was
          originally leaking.<br>
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        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I dismantled the brakes, took
          out the 4 bolts holding the hub to the axle casing, and
          expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft out, as the
          manual says. But nothing budged.  I then pounded a thin paint
          scraper between the hub and axle casing.  That was the only
          place that I could see where it could come apart.  It did, and
          I removed the hub, but no axle shaft.  The oil seal came out
          with the hub, but the wheel bearings are still attached
          somehow.  The axle shaft  does spin, and does push in and pull
          out about 1/4 inch, or less..  I thought the the bearing and
          seal and hub needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I don't remember the
          specifics of replacing the oil seals previously.  Evidently, I
          ran into the same problem before, just installed the oil
          seals, and then reassembled.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In looking at the oil seal I
          just removed, it looks like part of it has never seen any
          oil.  It is completely dry.  Yes, I have kept the rear end
          full, and have greased the grease fitting.  Also, it does
          appear that the wheel bearings have been replaced before (not
          by me), as they are marked "made in the USA"  The reason I
          wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold:  1)  I like to
          follow instructions, and that's what the manual said, and 2) I
          wanted to look at the wheel bearing.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So, what am I doing wrong?
          Why doesn't the axle shaft just slide out, as the manual
          says?  What am I missing?</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I have taken some pictures,
          and have uploaded them to my Flickr site, in an album labeled
          "TR2".  They are at the end of the album.  I also included
          pictures of the rear axle drawings and instructions from the
          manual, plus "Service Diagnosis" (Troubleshooting).. The
          breather is, and has been, clean.<br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The link to that album is:  <a
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I tried to take pictures of
          everything, including the axle shaft "pulled out" and "pushed
          in".  There's also pictures of the Bud shims.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I have not attempted to take
          the right side off.  Just in case I am doing something wrong;
          although, it is at the point where the axle shaft should just
          pull out, and it doesn't.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">A last (for now) interesting
          note.  I acquired the TR2 from a friend about 1985.  I drove
          it for about a year, then parked it and raised kids.  I
          started my restoration about 2002, and finished a couple of
          years later. As I said before, it has been parked again since
          about 2011.  Of it's 67 year life, I have owned it for about
          36 years, but certainly not driving it.<br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thank you, in advance, for
          your help,</div>
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David,

I agree with Tony, it appears that the bearing is sticking a bit in the axl=
e housing (which is good). I=92d put the hub back on, attach the foot of a =
puller to the wheel studs and use a slide hammer to knock the assembly towa=
rd you.  Something like this: https://www.autozone.com/loan-a-tools/loaner-=
slide-hammer-flange

Best of luck,

Cliff

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Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 5:51 PM
:[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 Rear Brake Drum/Axle Success - Kind Of

Well, I'm not sure about the rear axle, but I'm glad I went to your Flickr =
album!  You've done a marvelous job, that's a gorgeous car!

I'm more familiar with the later axle, I suspect that the bearing is what's=
 holding the axle into the housing.  You could try sticking the hub back on=
, put a nut on the end and bash on the hub with a rubber mallet or somethin=
g that won't hurt the hub - maybe a piece of wood and a larger hammer?  Thi=
s is JUST A GUESS, I'm looking forward to other replies.

Regards, Tony Drews
On 9/2/2021 6:12 PM, David Gunn wrote:
Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all greatly appreciated.  I l=
iberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating oil.  Due to the smoke=
 and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back out to the shop for a coup=
le of days.  But, when I did, it popped right off!  I didn't see any signs =
of massive rust, so I am guessing that it was just old oil, grease and misc=
 road grime.  I will clean everything real well before I put it back togeth=
er.

I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per the Service Instruction M=
anual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing).  I am also using the Haynes =
book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 axle.  One interesting i=
tem to note:  when removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 =
shims behind the washer.  They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know th=
at they are not original.  [Emoji]   Not sure why, but I will probably put =
them back.  The left side is not the side that was originally leaking.

I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts holding the hub to the axle c=
asing, and expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft out, as the manu=
al says. But nothing budged.  I then pounded a thin paint scraper between t=
he hub and axle casing.  That was the only place that I could see where it =
could come apart.  It did, and I removed the hub, but no axle shaft.  The o=
il seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings are still attached so=
mehow.  The axle shaft  does spin, and does push in and pull out about 1/4 =
inch, or less..  I thought the the bearing and seal and hub needed to be pr=
essed onto the axle shaft.

I don't remember the specifics of replacing the oil seals previously.  Evid=
ently, I ran into the same problem before, just installed the oil seals, an=
d then reassembled.

In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it looks like part of it has nev=
er seen any oil.  It is completely dry.  Yes, I have kept the rear end full=
, and have greased the grease fitting.  Also, it does appear that the wheel=
 bearings have been replaced before (not by me), as they are marked "made i=
n the USA"  The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold:  1) =
 I like to follow instructions, and that's what the manual said, and 2) I w=
anted to look at the wheel bearing.

So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle shaft just slide out, as th=
e manual says?  What am I missing?

I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them to my Flickr site, in an=
 album labeled "TR2".  They are at the end of the album.  I also included p=
ictures of the rear axle drawings and instructions from the manual, plus "S=
ervice Diagnosis" (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has been, clean.

The link to that album is:  TR2<https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/albums/=
72157602881332130/page1>

[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
TR2

I tried to take pictures of everything, including the axle shaft "pulled ou=
t" and "pushed in".  There's also pictures of the Bud shims.

I have not attempted to take the right side off.  Just in case I am doing s=
omething wrong; although, it is at the point where the axle shaft should ju=
st pull out, and it doesn't.

A last (for now) interesting note.  I acquired the TR2 from a friend about =
1985.  I drove it for about a year, then parked it and raised kids.  I star=
ted my restoration about 2002, and finished a couple of years later. As I s=
aid before, it has been parked again since about 2011.  Of it's 67 year lif=
e, I have owned it for about 36 years, but certainly not driving it.

David

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">David,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree with Tony, it appears that the bearing is st=
icking a bit in the axle housing (which is good). I=92d put the hub back on=
, attach the foot of a puller to the wheel studs and use a slide hammer to =
knock the assembly toward you.&nbsp; Something
 like this: <a href=3D"https://www.autozone.com/loan-a-tools/loaner-slide-h=
ammer-flange">
https://www.autozone.com/loan-a-tools/loaner-slide-hammer-flange</a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best of luck,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Cliff</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Tony Drews</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, September 2, 2021 5:51 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">David Gunn</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] TR2 Rear Brake Drum/Axle Success - Kind Of</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p>Well, I'm not sure about the rear axle, but I'm glad I went to your Flic=
kr album!&nbsp; You've done a marvelous job, that's a gorgeous car!</p>
<p>I'm more familiar with the later axle, I suspect that the bearing is wha=
t's holding the axle into the housing.&nbsp; You could try sticking the hub=
 back on, put a nut on the end and bash on the hub with a rubber mallet or =
something that won't hurt the hub - maybe
 a piece of wood and a larger hammer?&nbsp; This is JUST A GUESS, I'm looki=
ng forward to other replies.</p>
<p>Regards, Tony Drews</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 9/2/2021 6:12 PM, David Gunn wrote:<o:p></o:p></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all=
 greatly appreciated.&nbsp; I liberally sprayed the offending drum with pen=
etrating oil.&nbsp; Due to the smoke and ash from the wildfires,
 I couldn't get back out to the shop for a couple of days.&nbsp; But, when =
I did, it popped right off!&nbsp; I didn't see any signs of massive rust, s=
o I am guessing that it was just old oil, grease and misc road grime.&nbsp;=
 I will clean everything real well before I put
 it back together.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per=
 the Service Instruction Manual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing).&nb=
sp; I am also using the Haynes book for Triumphs. I
 have the earlier style of TR2 axle.&nbsp; One interesting item to note:&nb=
sp; when removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 shims behi=
nd the washer.&nbsp; They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know that th=
ey are not original.&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sa=
ns-serif"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"16" height=3D"16" style=3D"width:.1666=
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assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f600.png" alt=3D"Emoji"></span><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;
 Not sure why, but I will probably put them back.&nbsp; The left side is no=
t the side that was originally leaking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts hol=
ding the hub to the axle casing, and expected to be able to just pull the a=
xle shaft out, as the manual says. But nothing
 budged.&nbsp; I then pounded a thin paint scraper between the hub and axle=
 casing.&nbsp; That was the only place that I could see where it could come=
 apart.&nbsp; It did, and I removed the hub, but no axle shaft.&nbsp; The o=
il seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings
 are still attached somehow.&nbsp; The axle shaft&nbsp; does spin, and does=
 push in and pull out about 1/4 inch, or less..&nbsp; I thought the the bea=
ring and seal and hub needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I don't remember the specifics of replacing the o=
il seals previously.&nbsp; Evidently, I ran into the same problem before, j=
ust installed the oil seals, and then reassembled.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it loo=
ks like part of it has never seen any oil.&nbsp; It is completely dry.&nbsp=
; Yes, I have kept the rear end full, and have greased the
 grease fitting.&nbsp; Also, it does appear that the wheel bearings have be=
en replaced before (not by me), as they are marked &quot;made in the USA&qu=
ot;&nbsp; The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold:&nbsp; =
1)&nbsp; I like to follow instructions, and that's what the manual
 said, and 2) I wanted to look at the wheel bearing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle s=
haft just slide out, as the manual says?&nbsp; What am I missing?<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded the=
m to my Flickr site, in an album labeled &quot;TR2&quot;.&nbsp; They are at=
 the end of the album.&nbsp; I also included pictures of the rear
 axle drawings and instructions from the manual, plus &quot;Service Diagnos=
is&quot; (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has been, clean.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">The link to that album is:&nbsp;
<a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/albums/72157602881332130/pag=
e1" target=3D"_blank">
TR2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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25" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png=
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.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#979BA7">Explore this photo album by David on Flickr!<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
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lvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I tried to take pictures of everything, including=
 the axle shaft &quot;pulled out&quot; and &quot;pushed in&quot;.&nbsp; The=
re's also pictures of the Bud shims.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I have not attempted to take the right side off.&=
nbsp; Just in case I am doing something wrong; although, it is at the point=
 where the axle shaft should just pull out, and it
 doesn't.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">A last (for now) interesting note.&nbsp; I acquir=
ed the TR2 from a friend about 1985.&nbsp; I drove it for about a year, the=
n parked it and raised kids.&nbsp; I started my restoration about
 2002, and finished a couple of years later. As I said before, it has been =
parked again since about 2011.&nbsp; Of it's 67 year life, I have owned it =
for about 36 years, but certainly not driving it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Thank you, in advance, for your help,<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
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David-

You might be able to use a short piece of PVC pipe to fit against the flang=
e, and then pull the axle&bearing out against that pipe with the castellate=
d nut and large washer.  Would at least give you some control over the oper=
ation.

Nice work there!

Randy

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You might be able to use a short piece of PVC pipe to fit against the flang=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all greatly =
appreciated.&nbsp; I liberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating =
oil.&nbsp; Due to the smoke and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back=
 out to the shop for a couple of days.&nbsp; But,
 when I did, it popped right off!&nbsp; I didn't see any signs of massive r=
ust, so I am guessing that it was just old oil, grease and misc road grime.=
&nbsp; I will clean everything real well before I put it back together.</di=
v>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per the Serv=
ice Instruction Manual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing).&nbsp; I am =
also using the Haynes book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 ax=
le.&nbsp; One interesting item to note:&nbsp; when
 removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 shims behind the w=
asher.&nbsp; They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know that they are n=
ot original.&nbsp;
<img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" class=3D"x_yahoo-emoji-wrapper" width=3D=
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Not sure why, but I will probably put them back.&nbsp; The
 left side is not the side that was originally leaking.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts holding the =
hub to the axle casing, and expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft=
 out, as the manual says. But nothing budged.&nbsp; I then pounded a thin p=
aint scraper between the hub and axle casing.&nbsp;
 That was the only place that I could see where it could come apart.&nbsp; =
It did, and I removed the hub, but no axle shaft.&nbsp; The oil seal came o=
ut with the hub, but the wheel bearings are still attached somehow.&nbsp; T=
he axle shaft&nbsp; does spin, and does push in and
 pull out about 1/4 inch, or less..&nbsp; I thought the the bearing and sea=
l and hub needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I don't remember the specifics of replacing the oil seals =
previously.&nbsp; Evidently, I ran into the same problem before, just insta=
lled the oil seals, and then reassembled.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it looks like p=
art of it has never seen any oil.&nbsp; It is completely dry.&nbsp; Yes, I =
have kept the rear end full, and have greased the grease fitting.&nbsp; Als=
o, it does appear that the wheel bearings have been
 replaced before (not by me), as they are marked &quot;made in the USA&quot=
;&nbsp; The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold:&nbsp; 1)=
&nbsp; I like to follow instructions, and that's what the manual said, and =
2) I wanted to look at the wheel bearing.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle shaft just=
 slide out, as the manual says?&nbsp; What am I missing?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them to my F=
lickr site, in an album labeled &quot;TR2&quot;.&nbsp; They are at the end =
of the album.&nbsp; I also included pictures of the rear axle drawings and =
instructions from the manual, plus &quot;Service Diagnosis&quot;
 (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has been, clean.<br>
</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The link to that album is:&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://www.fl=
ickr.com/photos/dgunn/albums/72157602881332130/page1" rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I tried to take pictures of everything, including the axle=
 shaft &quot;pulled out&quot; and &quot;pushed in&quot;.&nbsp; There's also=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have not attempted to take the right side off.&nbsp; Jus=
t in case I am doing something wrong; although, it is at the point where th=
e axle shaft should just pull out, and it doesn't.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A last (for now) interesting note.&nbsp; I acquired the TR=
2 from a friend about 1985.&nbsp; I drove it for about a year, then parked =
it and raised kids.&nbsp; I started my restoration about 2002, and finished=
 a couple of years later. As I said before, it has
 been parked again since about 2011.&nbsp; Of it's 67 year life, I have own=
ed it for about 36 years, but certainly not driving it.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you, in advance, for your help,</div>
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