Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:50:46 +0000 (UTC)

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 The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is an=
 additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.=C2=A0 The pro=
blem is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the to=
p less and less stretchable.=C2=A0 If the top stretched whens installed (an=
d installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is =
the stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect,=
 especially when cold.=C2=A0 When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me=
 a top that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but =
his car was totaled before he could get it installed).=C2=A0 I had that top=
 installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.=C2=
=A0 I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.
My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the mat=
erial is more resistant to stretching.=C2=A0 The installer will pre-stretch=
 the top less and it will work better in the long run.
Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my op=
inion, cut about 1 inch too short.=C2=A0 I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps a=
s close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot da=
y in the sun.=C2=A0 Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau i=
s virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less=
 stretchy it has become easier to install.=C2=A0 I think the plasticizer ha=
s dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched position.=C2=A0 So, th=
is raises a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and pl=
aced it over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.=C2=
=A0 After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making =
it easier to put up.
Or buy your top years before you install it.
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From: Dave MacKay <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top

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lems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.=C2=A0Like =
Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so tight that =
I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau=
 was installed by professional installers who complained about the fit. Rob=
bins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my previous tonneau to t=
hem so they could see what fit, but the replacement they sent me after that=
 was no better.=C2=A0The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time=
. If anything, it may have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than e=
ver to put on.=C2=A0I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible)=
 made by your installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been ch=
eaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two inst=
allations.=C2=A0As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a=
 TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV=C2=A0Good luck,=C2=A0

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<div> <font size=3D"3">The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a p=
lasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stre=
tchable.&nbsp; The problem is this product is volatile and will dissipate o=
ver time making the top less and less stretchable.&nbsp; If the top </font>=
<font size=3D"3"><font size=3D"3">stretched when</font>s installed (and ins=
tallers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the s=
tretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect, espe=
cially when cold.&nbsp; When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a to=
p that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his c=
ar was totaled before he could get it installed).&nbsp; I had that top inst=
alled and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.&nbsp; I=
 attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.</fon=
t></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br clear=3D"none">
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">My advice is to get your top installed when the weath=
er is cold and the material is more resistant to stretching.&nbsp; The inst=
aller will pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in the long run=
.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br clear=3D"none">
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the T=
R3 which was, in my opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.&nbsp; I installed =
the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close to the edges as I could but still could only =
install it on a hot day in the sun.&nbsp; Since this car lives mostly in th=
e garage the tonneau is virtually permanently installed and over the years =
as the cover gets less stretchy it has become easier to install.&nbsp; I th=
ink the plasticizer has dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched =
position.&nbsp; So, this raises a question: What would happen if one slit s=
ome garden hose and placed it over the bows and left the top up with a litt=
le extra stretch.&nbsp; After a while the top will take a set with extra sl=
ack, perhaps making it easier to put up.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br clear=3D"none">
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Or buy your top years before you install it.</font><b=
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<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">I, too, have had problems with the=
 Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau =
(and also a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great =
effort even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professiona=
l installers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I co=
mplained. I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fi=
t, but the replacement they sent me after that was no better.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched o=
r loosened over time. If anything, it may have shrunk because it seems as h=
ard or harder than ever to put on.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">I would suggest having the top (to=
nneau or convertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. Th=
at would have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and havin=
g to pay for two installations.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">As always, particularly since you=
=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8638386929MsoPlainText">Good luck,</div>

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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
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At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going
to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, they're tight. Not
sure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try out their
patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when they use
fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in the
UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the
lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted
one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their patterns....

Dave Friedlander

Dave

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is a=
n
> additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.  The problem
> is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the top
> less and less stretchable.  If the top stretched whens installed (and
> installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is
> the stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erec=
t,
> especially when cold.  When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a t=
op
> that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his c=
ar
> was totaled before he could get it installed).  I had that top installed
> and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.  I attribut=
e
> that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.
>
> My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the
> material is more resistant to stretching.  The installer will pre-stretch
> Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my
> opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.  I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as
> close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot da=
y
> in the sun.  Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is
> virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less
> stretchy it has become easier to install.  I think the plasticizer has
> dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched position.  So, this
> raises a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and
> placed it over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.
> After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making it
> easier to put up.
>
> Dave
> I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A=
,
> not a TR6.
>
> Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so tigh=
t
> that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weather. The
> tonneau was installed by professional installers who complained about the
> fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my previous
> tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but the replacement they sent
> me after that was no better.
>
> The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it m=
ay have
> shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.
>
> I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your
> installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me
> than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.
>
> As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3=
A, YMMV
> Good luck,
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">At least the vinyl top has =
a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what o=
r when. When they&#39;re tight, they&#39;re tight. Not sure I understand wh=
y the various manufacturers don&#39;t try out their patterns on actual vehi=
cles and adjust them, especially for when they use fabrics that don&#39;t s=
tretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and have had a rea=
l challenge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly=
. The manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don&#39=
;t know how they derive their patterns....</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0000=
99"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave Friedlander</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1mas=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
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<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">

<div> <font size=3D"3">The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a p=
lasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stre=
tchable.=C2=A0 The problem is this product is volatile and will dissipate o=
ver time making the top less and less stretchable.=C2=A0 If the top </font>=
<font size=3D"3"><font size=3D"3">stretched when</font>s installed (and ins=
tallers don&#39;t like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is t=
he stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect, =
especially when cold.=C2=A0 When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me =
a top that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but h=
is car was totaled before he could get it installed).=C2=A0 I had that top =
installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.=C2=
=A0 I attribute that to the fact that it wasn&#39;t stretchable when instal=
led.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">My advice is to get your top installed when the weath=
er is cold and the material is more resistant to stretching.=C2=A0 The inst=
aller will pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in the long run=
.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Here&#39;s another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for t=
he TR3 which was, in my opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.=C2=A0 I instal=
led the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close to the edges as I could but still could o=
nly install it on a hot day in the sun.=C2=A0 Since this car lives mostly i=
n the garage the tonneau is virtually permanently installed and over the ye=
ars as the cover gets less stretchy it has become easier to install.=C2=A0 =
I think the plasticizer has dissipated and the top took a set in the stretc=
hed position.=C2=A0 So, this raises a question: What would happen if one sl=
it some garden hose and placed it over the bows and left the top up with a =
little extra stretch.=C2=A0 After a while the top will take a set with extr=
a slack, perhaps making it easier to put up.</font></div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br clear=3D"none">
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>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@a=
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<div>

<div>I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a T=
R3A, not a TR6.</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>

<div>Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so t=
ight that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weather. T=
he tonneau was installed by professional installers who complained about th=
e fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my previous to=
nneau to them so they could see what fit, but the replacement they sent me =
after that was no better.</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>

<div>The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, i=
t may have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.</=
div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>

<div>I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your i=
nstaller so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me th=
an buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.</div=

<div>=C2=A0</div>

<div>As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a =
TR3A, YMMV</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>

<div>Good luck,</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>

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I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.  it really is not the =
right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see =
the hoodstick through it

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And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued =
portions that have become unglued.  Its really awful, and if my options =
weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace it

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of David =
Friedlander
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top

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At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT =
going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, they're =
tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try out =
their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when =
they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from =
Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to =
fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never =
actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their =
patterns....

=20

Dave Friedlander

=20

Dave

=20

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked] =

The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is =
an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.  The =
problem is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making =
the top less and less stretchable.  If the top stretched whens installed =
(and installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove =
wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove them) it will become more =
difficult to erect, especially when cold.  When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 =
a friend gave me a top that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years =
(he bought it but his car was totaled before he could get it installed). =
 I had that top installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole =
time I had it.  I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable =
when installed.

=20

My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the =
material is more resistant to stretching.  The installer will =
pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in the long run.

=20

Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my =
opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.  I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps =
as close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a =
hot day in the sun.  Since this car lives mostly in the garage the =
tonneau is virtually permanently installed and over the years as the =
cover gets less stretchy it has become easier to install.  I think the =
plasticizer has dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched =
position.  So, this raises a question: What would happen if one slit =
some garden hose and placed it over the bows and left the top up with a =
little extra stretch.  After a while the top will take a set with extra =
slack, perhaps making it easier to put up.

=20

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top

I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a =
TR3A, not a TR6.

=20

Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so =
tight that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny =
weather. The tonneau was installed by professional installers who =
complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I =
even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but =
the replacement they sent me after that was no better.

=20

The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it =
may have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.

=20

I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your =
installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for =
me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two =
installations.

=20

As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a =
TR3A, YMMV

=20

Good luck,

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have a prestige top on my =
tr6 and I hate it.=C2=A0 it really is not the right size (too narrow) =
and the rear window is too large, so you can see the hoodstick through =
it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, =
there are glued portions that have become unglued.=C2=A0 Its really =
awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace =
it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>David =
Friedlander<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
New TR6 top<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. =
Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When =
they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the various =
manufacturers don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust =
them, especially for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a =
hoodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to =
get it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The =
manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know =
how they derive their patterns....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>Dave =
Friedlander<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#000099'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is an =
additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.&nbsp; The =
problem is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making =
the top less and less stretchable.&nbsp; If the top stretched whens =
installed (and installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to =
remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove them) it will become =
more difficult to erect, especially when cold.&nbsp; When I rebuilt my =
TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sitting in his basement for =
20-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled before he could get =
it installed).&nbsp; I had that top installed and it was a dream to =
erect and fold the whole time I had it.&nbsp; I attribute that to the =
fact that it wasn't stretchable when =
installed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>My =
advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the =
material is more resistant to stretching.&nbsp; The installer will =
pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in the long =
run.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Her=
e's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my =
opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.&nbsp; I installed the Lift-A-Dot =
snaps as close to the edges as I could but still could only install it =
on a hot day in the sun.&nbsp; Since this car lives mostly in the garage =
the tonneau is virtually permanently installed and over the years as the =
cover gets less stretchy it has become easier to install.&nbsp; I think =
the plasticizer has dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched =
position.&nbsp; So, this raises a question: What would happen if one =
slit some garden hose and placed it over the bows and left the top up =
with a little extra stretch.&nbsp; After a while the top will take a set =
with extra slack, perhaps making it easier to put =
up.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Or =
buy your top years before you install =
it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd03937"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Dave MacKay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 =
4:41 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I, =
too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A, =
not a TR6.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Lik=
e Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so tight =
that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weather. The =
tonneau was installed by professional installers who complained about =
the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my =
previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but the replacement =
they sent me after that was no =
better.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it may =
have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put =
on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your =
installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for =
me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two =
installations.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As =
always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, =
YMMV<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
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I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type top for my TR6 for the last ten
+ years. It still looks and fits great! I had it professionally installed
and I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through
the window....

Dave

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.  it really is not the righ=
t
> size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see the
> hoodstick through it
>
>
>
> And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued
> portions that have become unglued.  Its really awful, and if my options
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *David
> Friedlander
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] New TR6 top
>
>
>
> At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT goin=
g
> lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fitt=
ed
n
t,
op
ar
e
y
,
t
ay have
A, YMMV
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">I have had a Prestige Twilf=
ast-canvas-type=C2=A0top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It still look=
s and fits great! I had it professionally installed and I&#39;ve had zero r=
egrets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through the window....</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dav=
e</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ran=
teer.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break=
-word;"><div class=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986WordSection1"><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.=C2=A0 it really i=
s not the right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you =
can see the hoodstick through it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, just half a dozen years f=
rom having it installed, there are glued portions that have become unglued.=
=C2=A0 Its really awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I w=
ould replace it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;bo=
rder-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>David Friedlander<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:0=
1 AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; <a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,15=
3)">At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT go=
ing to stretch no matter what or when. When they&#39;re tight, they&#39;re =
tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers don&#39;t try ou=
t their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when th=
ey use fabrics that don&#39;t stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Presti=
ge in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the =
lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted=
 one to a real TR3 so I don&#39;t know how they derive their patterns....<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Da=
ve Friedlander<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb=
(0,0,153)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:=
rgb(0,0,153)">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 29,=
 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><b=
lockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;bor=
der-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8=
pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-=
m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The=
 vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is an add=
itive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.=C2=A0 The problem=
 is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the top le=
ss and less stretchable.=C2=A0 If the top stretched whens installed (and in=
stallers don&#39;t like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is =
the stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect,=
 especially when cold.=C2=A0 When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me=
 a top that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but =
his car was totaled before he could get it installed).=C2=A0 I had that top=
 installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.=C2=
=A0 I attribute that to the fact that it wasn&#39;t stretchable when instal=
led.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">My advice is to get your to=
p installed when the weather is cold and the material is more resistant to =
stretching.=C2=A0 The installer will pre-stretch the top less and it will w=
ork better in the long run.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color=
:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Here&=
#39;s another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my opi=
nion, cut about 1 inch too short.=C2=A0 I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as=
 close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot day=
 in the sun.=C2=A0 Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is=
 virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less =
stretchy it has become easier to install.=C2=A0 I think the plasticizer has=
 dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched position.=C2=A0 So, thi=
s raises a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and pla=
ced it over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.=C2=A0=
 After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making it =
easier to put up.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Or buy your to=
p years before you install it.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;c=
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Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:=
black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_307727624642=
3130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd03937"><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>From=
: Dave MacKay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dav=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 =
pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"gmai=
l-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;color:black">I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops a=
lthough my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-se=
rif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so ti=
ght that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weather. Th=
e tonneau was installed by professional installers who complained about the=
 fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my previous ton=
neau to them so they could see what fit, but the replacement they sent me a=
fter that was no better.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:bl=
ack">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The top =
hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it may have sh=
runk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif;color:black">I would suggest having the top (tonneau or conv=
ertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. That would have=
 been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for =
two installations.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">As always, pa=
rticularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV<u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Good luck,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:59:04 +0000 (UTC)

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 I couldn't agree more.=C2=A0 Even my TR3 tonneau, which is shipped with th=
e snaps loose, was just too small to fit properly.=C2=A0 An additional one =
inch would have made all the difference.=C2=A0 I think they are influenced =
by the concour people who value appearance over functionality.=C2=A0 They w=
ant a nice, taught look to the finished product.
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <triumphs@=
autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 11:01 am
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top

At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going =
to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, they're tight. Not s=
ure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try out their patterns=
 on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when they use fabrics t=
hat don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and hav=
e had a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot fastene=
rs properly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a real TR3 s=
o I don't know how they derive their patterns....
Dave Friedlander
Dave
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave MacKay <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top

I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A, =
not a TR6.=C2=A0Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible t=
op) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny=
 weather. The tonneau was installed by professional installers who complain=
ed about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my =
previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but the replacement th=
ey sent me after that was no better.=C2=A0The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched =
or loosened over time. If anything, it may have shrunk because it seems as =
hard or harder than ever to put on.=C2=A0I would suggest having the top (to=
nneau or convertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. Th=
at would have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and havin=
g to pay for two installations.=C2=A0As always, particularly since you=E2=
=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV=C2=A0Good luck,=C2=A0
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<div> <font size=3D"3">I couldn't agree more.&nbsp; Even my TR3 tonneau, wh=
ich is shipped with the snaps loose, was just too small to fit properly.&nb=
sp; An additional one inch would have made all the difference.&nbsp; I thin=
k they are influenced by the concour people who value appearance over funct=
ionality.&nbsp; They want a nice, taught look to the finished product.</fon=
t><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: David Friedlander &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 11:01 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<br>
<br>

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s, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;">At least the vinyl top has a =
plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or =
when. When they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the vari=
ous manufacturers don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjus=
t them, especially for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a h=
oodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get=
 it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer=
 has never actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they deriv=
e their patterns....</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv5079397989gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at =
11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:01:21 +0000 (UTC)

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 Maybe you can sue them for false advertising.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Prestige?!!!
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-----Original Message-----
From: dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top

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56 I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.=C2=A0 it really is not th=
e right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see =
the hoodstick through it =C2=A0And, just half a dozen years from having it =
installed, there are glued portions that have become unglued.=C2=A0 Its rea=
lly awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace i=
t =C2=A0From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of David=
 Friedlander
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top =C2=A0At least the vinyl top has a plasticize=
r in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When=
 they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufa=
cturers don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, es=
pecially for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick c=
over from Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to str=
etch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never=
 actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their pa=
tterns.... =C2=A0Dave Friedlander =C2=A0Dave =C2=A0On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at =
11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:
The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is an =
additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.=C2=A0 The prob=
lem is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the top=
 less and less stretchable.=C2=A0 If the top stretched whens installed (and=
 installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is t=
he stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect, =
especially when cold.=C2=A0 When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me =
a top that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but h=
is car was totaled before he could get it installed).=C2=A0 I had that top =
installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.=C2=
=A0 I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.=
 =C2=A0My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and =
the material is more resistant to stretching.=C2=A0 The installer will pre-=
stretch the top less and it will work better in the long run. =C2=A0Here's =
another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my opinion, =
cut about 1 inch too short.=C2=A0 I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close=
 to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot day in th=
e sun.=C2=A0 Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is virtu=
ally permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less stretc=
hy it has become easier to install.=C2=A0 I think the plasticizer has dissi=
pated and the top took a set in the stretched position.=C2=A0 So, this rais=
es a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed it=
 over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.=C2=A0 After=
 a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making it easier=
 to put up. =C2=A0Or buy your top years before you install it. =C2=A0Dave  =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: Dave MacKay <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 topI, too, have had problems with the Robbins top=
s although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.=C2=A0Like Bob with his TR6, my tonn=
eau (and also a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with gr=
eat effort even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by profess=
ional installers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when =
I complained. I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see wha=
t fit, but the replacement they sent me after that was no better.=C2=A0The =
top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it may hav=
e shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.=C2=A0I wou=
ld suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your installer s=
o that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me than buying =
the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.=C2=A0As always=
, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV=C2=
=A0Good luck,

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Maybe you can sue them for false advertising.&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Prestige?!!!</font><br>
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From: dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 11:53 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal">I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I=
 hate it.&nbsp; it really is not the right size (too narrow) and the rear w=
indow is too large, so you can see the hoodstick through it</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal">And, just half a dozen years from hav=
ing it installed, there are glued portions that have become unglued.&nbsp; =
Its really awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would re=
place it</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

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0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;triumphs-bo=
[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Friedlander<br clear=3D"=
none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b=
>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</=
b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [TR] New TR6 top</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;">At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it.=
 Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're=
 tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers =
don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially=
 for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover fro=
m Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to =
fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actuall=
y fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their patterns..=
..</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;">Dave Friedlander</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;">Dave</span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVI=
D MASSEY &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dave1massey=
@cs.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">
<div>
<div>
<div id=3D"yiv4798666056gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">The vinyl material used in tops is produced=
 with a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable=
 and stretchable.&nbsp; The problem is this product is volatile and will di=
ssipate over time making the top less and less stretchable.&nbsp; If the to=
p stretched whens installed (and installers don't like wrinkles and the eas=
iest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove them) it will =
become more difficult to erect, especially when cold.&nbsp; When I rebuilt =
my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sitting in his basement for =
20-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled before he could get it i=
nstalled).&nbsp; I had that top installed and it was a dream to erect and f=
old the whole time I had it.&nbsp; I attribute that to the fact that it was=
n't stretchable when installed.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">My advice is to get your top installed when=
 the weather is cold and the material is more resistant to stretching.&nbsp=
; The installer will pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in th=
e long run.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau=
 for the TR3 which was, in my opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.&nbsp; I =
installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close to the edges as I could but still c=
ould only install it on a hot day in the sun.&nbsp; Since this car lives mo=
stly in the garage the tonneau is virtually permanently installed and over =
the years as the cover gets less stretchy it has become easier to install.&=
nbsp; I think the plasticizer has dissipated and the top took a set in the =
stretched position.&nbsp; So, this raises a question: What would happen if =
one slit some garden hose and placed it over the bows and left the top up w=
ith a little extra stretch.&nbsp; After a while the top will take a set wit=
h extra slack, perhaps making it easier to put up.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Or buy your top years before you install it=
.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave </span=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></spa=
n></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div id=3D"yiv4798666056gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd03937=
">
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">-----Origin=
al Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Dave MacKay &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br=
 clear=3D"none">To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">Sen=
t: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 to=
p</span></div>

<div id=3D"yiv4798666056gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">I, too, have had problems with the Robbins =
tops although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also=
 a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort ev=
en in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professional install=
ers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained.=
 I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but th=
e replacement they sent me after that was no better.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosene=
d over time. If anything, it may have shrunk because it seems as hard or ha=
rder than ever to put on.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">I would suggest having the top (tonneau or =
convertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. That would =
have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay =
for two installations.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99r=
e dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Good luck,</span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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</div>
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Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intenti=
ons.

> On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type top for my TR6 for the last ten=
 + years. It still looks and fits great! I had it professionally installed a=
nd I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through the=
 window....
>> I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.  it really is not the righ=
t size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see the hoo=
dstick through it
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued po=
rtions that have become unglued.  Its really awful, and if my options weren=E2=
=80=99t so expensive I would replace it
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of David Fried=
lander
>> At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT goin=
g to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, they're tight. Not s=
ure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try out their patterns o=
n actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when they use fabrics that=
 don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and have ha=
d a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners pr=
operly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I do=
n't know how they derive their patterns....
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Dave Friedlander
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Dave
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>> The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is a=
n additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.  The problem i=
s this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the top less a=
nd less stretchable.  If the top stretched whens installed (and installers d=
on't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the=
 top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect, especially when=
 cold.  When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sittin=
g in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled bef=
ore he could get it installed).  I had that top installed and it was a dream=
 to erect and fold the whole time I had it.  I attribute that to the fact th=
at it wasn't stretchable when installed.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the m=
aterial is more resistant to stretching.  The installer will pre-stretch the=
 top less and it will work better in the long run.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my o=
pinion, cut about 1 inch too short.  I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as clo=
se to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot day in t=
he sun.  Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is virtually p=
ermanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less stretchy it h=
as become easier to install.  I think the plasticizer has dissipated and the=
 top took a set in the stretched position.  So, this raises a question: What=
 would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed it over the bows and l=
eft the top up with a little extra stretch.  After a while the top will take=
 a set with extra slack, perhaps making it easier to put up.
>> I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A=
, not a TR6.
>> Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so tigh=
t that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weather. The t=
onneau was installed by professional installers who complained about the fit=
. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my previous tonneau t=
o them so they could see what fit, but the replacement they sent me after th=
at was no better.
>> The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it m=
ay have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your inst=
aller so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me than b=
uying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.
A, YMMV
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/arch=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D=
"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest i=
ntentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedla=
nder &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif=
;font-size:large;color:#000099">I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type&n=
bsp;top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It still looks and fits great! I=
 had it professionally installed and I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you=
 can see the hoodstick through the window....</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000=
099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 1=
2:53 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"gmail-m_307727624=
6423130986WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a prestige top on my t=
r6 and I hate it.&nbsp; it really is not the right size (too narrow) and the=
 rear window is too large, so you can see the hoodstick through it<u></u><u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued por=
tions that have become unglued.&nbsp; Its really awful, and if my options we=
ren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bot=
tom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0=
in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Friedlander<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,=
 December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:<=
/b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@au=
tox.team.net</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dave=
@mdmackay.ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;=
color:rgb(0,0,153)">At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast t=
ops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, the=
y're tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try ou=
t their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when the=
y use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in t=
he UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the=
-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a=
 real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their patterns....<u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave Friedlander<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u>&n=
bsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID M=
ASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dave1masse=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-t=
op:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><di=
v><div id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv86383=
86929"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The vinyl material used in tops is p=
roduced with a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, p=
liable and stretchable.&nbsp; The problem is this product is volatile and wi=
ll dissipate over time making the top less and less stretchable.&nbsp; If th=
e top stretched whens installed (and installers don't like wrinkles and the e=
asiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove them) it will=
 become more difficult to erect, especially when cold.&nbsp; When I rebuilt m=
y TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sitting in his basement for 20=
-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled before he could get it inst=
alled).&nbsp; I had that top installed and it was a dream to erect and fold t=
he whole time I had it.&nbsp; I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't st=
retchable when installed.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">My advice i=
s to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the material is mor=
e resistant to stretching.&nbsp; The installer will pre-stretch the top less=
 and it will work better in the long run.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:bl=
ack">Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in m=
y opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.&nbsp; I installed the Lift-A-Dot snap=
s as close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot d=
ay in the sun.&nbsp; Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau i=
s virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less s=
tretchy it has become easier to install.&nbsp; I think the plasticizer has d=
issipated and the top took a set in the stretched position.&nbsp; So, this r=
aises a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed i=
t over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.&nbsp; After=
 a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making it easier t=
o put up.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp=
;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Or buy your top years befor=
e you install it.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u><=
/u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin=
-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><=
u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></=
u></span></p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744=
213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd03937"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;co=
lor:black">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Dave MacKay &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.net</a><br>Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886=
593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I, too, have=
 had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and a=
lso a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort e=
ven in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professional install=
ers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I=
 even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but the r=
eplacement they sent me after that was no better.<u></u><u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;=
color:black">The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anyt=
hing, it may have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put=
 on.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I would suggest having the top (t=
onneau or convertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. Th=
at would have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having=
 to pay for two installations.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color=
:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">As alwa=
ys, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Good luck,<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:b=
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Sorry everyone but I=E2=80=99m having a chuckle at the expense of those you h=
aving soft top fitting probs. Someone commented the original patterns should=
 have been tested on the car the top was designed to fit, or words to that e=
ffect? =20

If it makes you feel any better, I have many memories of watching men on the=
 line trying to fit tops, tonneaux and soft top covers to cars when they wer=
e new. They had major problems too and that part of the line was always a co=
ntinuous sound track of oaths and expletives of getting the damned things to=
 fit when the mTerial was cold, unyielding, inflexible and just plain cussed=
.

Take heart. You=E2=80=99re not alone and you=E2=80=99re not the first by any=
 means.

Jonmac

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, not a TR6.
A, YMMV
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Sorry everyone but I=E2=80=99m having a chu=
ckle at the expense of those you having soft top fitting probs. Someone comm=
ented the original patterns should have been tested on the car the top was d=
esigned to fit, or words to that effect? &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>If it mak=
es you feel any better, I have many memories of watching men on the line try=
ing to fit tops, tonneaux and soft top covers to cars when they were new. Th=
ey had major problems too and that part of the line was always a continuous s=
ound track of oaths and expletives of getting the damned things to fit when t=
he mTerial was cold, unyielding, inflexible and just plain cussed.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Take heart. You=E2=80=99re not alone and you=E2=80=99re not t=
he first by any means.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"App=
leMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered P=
arliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 29 Dec 2020, a=
t 17:58, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">forzion=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:com=
ic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">I have had a Prestige T=
wilfast-canvas-type&nbsp;top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It still l=
ooks and fits great! I had it professionally installed and I've had zero reg=
rets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through the window....</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font=
-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><di=
v class=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=
 have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.&nbsp; it really is not the rig=
ht size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see the ho=
odstick through it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, just half a dozen years from having it in=
stalled, there are glued portions that have become unglued.&nbsp; Its really=
 awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace it<u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div style=3D"=
border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid r=
gb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tri=
umphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Friedla=
nder<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID=
 MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dave1mas=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmacka=
y.ca" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] New=
 TR6 top<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u><=
/p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">At least the vinyl top has a=
 plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or w=
hen. When they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the variou=
s manufacturers don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust t=
hem, especially for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoods=
tick cover from Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it t=
o stretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has n=
ever actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their=
 patterns....<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,=
0,153)"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0=
,0,153)">Dave Friedlander<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;=
color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;=
;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, De=
c 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div=
><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.=
8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-=
m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The v=
inyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is an additi=
ve that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.&nbsp; The problem is t=
his product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the top less and=
 less stretchable.&nbsp; If the top stretched whens installed (and installer=
s don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch t=
he top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect, especially wh=
en cold.&nbsp; When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was=
 sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his car was tota=
led before he could get it installed).&nbsp; I had that top installed and it=
 was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.&nbsp; I attribute th=
at to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-f=
amily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:black">My advice is to get your top installed when the weather=
 is cold and the material is more resistant to stretching.&nbsp; The install=
er will pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in the long run.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Here's another anecdote: I bought a ton=
neau for the TR3 which was, in my opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.&nbsp;=
 I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close to the edges as I could but still=
 could only install it on a hot day in the sun.&nbsp; Since this car lives m=
ostly in the garage the tonneau is virtually permanently installed and over t=
he years as the cover gets less stretchy it has become easier to install.&nb=
sp; I think the plasticizer has dissipated and the top took a set in the str=
etched position.&nbsp; So, this raises a question: What would happen if one s=
lit some garden hose and placed it over the bows and left the top up with a l=
ittle extra stretch.&nbsp; After a while the top will take a set with extra s=
lack, perhaps making it easier to put up.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:bl=
ack">Or buy your top years before you install it.<u></u><u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5p=
t;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family=
:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-seri=
f;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_30772=
76246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd03937"><div><p c=
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t;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>From:=
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mdmackay.ca</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
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r>Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_3=
077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-=
serif;color:black">I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although m=
y car is a TR3A, not a TR6.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:b=
lack">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Like Bob w=
ith his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so tight that I can o=
nly fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was ins=
talled by professional installers who complained about the fit. Robbins was r=
esponsive when I complained. I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they=
 could see what fit, but the replacement they sent me after that was no bett=
er.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched o=
r loosened over time. If anything, it may have shrunk because it seems as ha=
rd or harder than ever to put on.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;c=
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><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I w=
ould suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your installer s=
o that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me than buying t=
he Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font=
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div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,s=
ans-serif;color:black">As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing w=
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		So, does anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down =
as it should? We seem to have trashed Robbins and Prestige.
	 My friend has a Mazda and he can easily grab the top handle =
from the drivers seat and pull it up with little effort. A half century =
advance in engeneering?
	Best,
	Bob

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macartney =
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>> I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type top for my TR6 for the =
last ten + years. It still looks and fits great! I had it professionally =
installed and I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the =
hoodstick through the window....
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>> The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which =
is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.  The =
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>> My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and =
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>> Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in =
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on a hot day in the sun.  Since this car lives mostly in the garage the =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>So, does anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down as it =
should? We seem to have trashed Robbins and Prestige.<div class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>&nbsp;My =
friend has a Mazda and he can easily grab the top handle from the =
drivers seat and pull it up with little effort. A half century advance =
in engeneering?</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Bob<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macartney &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered =
Parliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">I have had a Prestige =
Twilfast-canvas-type&nbsp;top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It =
still looks and fits great! I had it professionally installed and I've =
had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through the =
window....</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic =
sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic =
sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=
 have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.&nbsp; it really is not the =
right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see =
the hoodstick through it<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">And, just half a dozen years from having it =
installed, there are glued portions that have become unglued.&nbsp; Its =
really awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would =
replace it<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><div =
style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:=
1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D"">From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b class=3D"">On =
Behalf Of </b>David Friedlander<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> =
Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> =
DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> =
Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans =
MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D"">At least the vinyl top has a =
plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what =
or when. When they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why =
the various manufacturers don't try out their patterns on actual =
vehicles and adjust them, especially for when they use fabrics that =
don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and have =
had a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot =
fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a =
real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their patterns....<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic =
Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic =
Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D"">Dave Friedlander<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic =
Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic =
Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D"">Dave<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u =
class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID =
MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:=
1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in =
6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929=
" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The vinyl material used in tops is produced with =
a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable =
and stretchable.&nbsp; The problem is this product is volatile and will =
dissipate over time making the top less and less stretchable.&nbsp; If =
the top stretched whens installed (and installers don't like wrinkles =
and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove =
them) it will become more difficult to erect, especially when =
cold.&nbsp; When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that =
was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his car =
was totaled before he could get it installed).&nbsp; I had that top =
installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had =
it.&nbsp; I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when =
installed.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">My advice is to get your top installed when the =
weather is cold and the material is more resistant to stretching.&nbsp; =
The installer will pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in =
the long run.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for =
the TR3 which was, in my opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.&nbsp; I =
installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close to the edges as I could but =
still could only install it on a hot day in the sun.&nbsp; Since this =
car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is virtually permanently =
installed and over the years as the cover gets less stretchy it has =
become easier to install.&nbsp; I think the plasticizer has dissipated =
and the top took a set in the stretched position.&nbsp; So, this raises =
a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed it =
over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.&nbsp; =
After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making =
it easier to put up.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Or buy your top years before you install it.<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Dave </span><span =
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Message-----<br class=3D"">From: Dave MacKay &lt;<a =
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class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">To: <a =
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class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Sent: Mon, Dec 28, =
2020 4:41 pm<br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929=
" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops =
although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a =
convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort =
even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professional =
installers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I =
complained. I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see =
what fit, but the replacement they sent me after that was no better.<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened =
over time. If anything, it may have shrunk because it seems as hard or =
harder than ever to put on.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I would suggest having the top (tonneau or =
convertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. That =
would have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and =
having to pay for two installations.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re =
dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 22:00:24 +0000 (UTC)

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 Half a century and probably half a million in R&D.
I had an EZ-On top installed last March/April.=C2=A0 It was really tight an=
d hard to put up when it was first installed but I've left it up when I'm n=
ot driving it and it has been getting easier though still a little bit of a=
 tug to get latched.=C2=A0 But my last top (vinyl) flipped up and latched w=
ith no effort at all.=C2=A0 I miss that top.=C2=A0 But after 25 years it wa=
s a bit long in the tooth.=C2=A0 We will see how much easier it gets over t=
he years.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Rochlin Robert <[email-masked]>
To: list Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top

 So, does anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down as it should? We s=
eem to have trashed Robbins and Prestige. =C2=A0My friend has a Mazda and h=
e can easily grab the top handle from the drivers seat and pull it up with =
little effort. A half century advance in engeneering? Best, Bob

On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macartney <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intent=
ions.
On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:

I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type=C2=A0top for my TR6 for the last=
 ten + years. It still looks and fits great! I had it professionally instal=
led and I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick throu=
gh the window....
Dave
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave <[email-masked]> wrote:

I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.=C2=A0 it really is not the r=
ight size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see the=
 hoodstick through it=C2=A0And, just half a dozen years from having it inst=
alled, there are glued portions that have become unglued.=C2=A0 Its really =
awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace it=C2=
=A0From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of David Frie=
dlander
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top=C2=A0At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer=
 in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When =
they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufac=
turers don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, esp=
ecially for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick co=
ver from Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stre=
tch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never =
actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their pat=
terns....=C2=A0Dave Friedlander=C2=A0Dave=C2=A0On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:5=
1 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:
The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is an =
additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.=C2=A0 The prob=
lem is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the top=
 less and less stretchable.=C2=A0 If the top stretched whens installed (and=
 installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is t=
he stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect, =
especially when cold.=C2=A0 When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me =
a top that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but h=
is car was totaled before he could get it installed).=C2=A0 I had that top =
installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.=C2=
=A0 I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.=
=C2=A0My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and t=
he material is more resistant to stretching.=C2=A0 The installer will pre-s=
tretch the top less and it will work better in the long run.=C2=A0Here's an=
other anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my opinion, cu=
t about 1 inch too short.=C2=A0 I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close t=
o the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot day in the =
sun.=C2=A0 Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is virtual=
ly permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less stretchy=
 it has become easier to install.=C2=A0 I think the plasticizer has dissipa=
ted and the top took a set in the stretched position.=C2=A0 So, this raises=
 a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed it o=
ver the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.=C2=A0 After a=
 while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making it easier t=
o put up.=C2=A0Or buy your top years before you install it.=C2=A0Dave =C2=
=A0=C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: Dave MacKay <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 topI, too, have had problems with the Robbins top=
s although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.=C2=A0Like Bob with his TR6, my tonn=
eau (and also a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with gr=
eat effort even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by profess=
ional installers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when =
I complained. I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see wha=
t fit, but the replacement they sent me after that was no better.=C2=A0The =
top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it may hav=
e shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.=C2=A0I wou=
ld suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your installer s=
o that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me than buying =
the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.=C2=A0As always=
, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV=C2=
=A0Good luck,=C2=A0

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">Half a century and probably half a million in R&amp;=
D.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">I had an EZ-On top installed last March/April.&nbsp; =
It was really tight and hard to put up when it was first installed but I've=
 left it up when I'm not driving it and it has been getting easier though s=
till a little bit of a tug to get latched.&nbsp; But my last top (vinyl) fl=
ipped up and latched with no effort at all.&nbsp; I miss that top.&nbsp; Bu=
t after 25 years it was a bit long in the tooth.&nbsp; We will see how much=
 easier it gets over the years.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Rochlin Robert &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: list Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 3:52 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div><span class=3D"yiv0369424193Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre;"=
>=09=09</span>So, does anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down as it=
 should? We seem to have trashed Robbins and Prestige.
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193Apple-tab-span" st=
yle=3D"white-space:pre;">=09</span>&nbsp;My friend has a Mazda and he can e=
asily grab the top handle from the drivers seat and pull it up with little =
effort. A half century advance in engeneering?</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193Apple-tab-span" st=
yle=3D"white-space:pre;">=09</span>Best,</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193Apple-tab-span" st=
yle=3D"white-space:pre;">=09</span>Bob<br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"=
none">
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<div><br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv036=
9424193" type=3D"cite">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macartney &l=
t;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv036942=
4193" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"yiv0369424193Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193"></div>
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</div>
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</div>

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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193"><br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none"><br=
 class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193" dir=3D"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man =
who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193" dir=3D"ltr"><br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=
=3D"none">On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollo=
w noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0369424193" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"no=
ne"><br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none"></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;">I have had a Prestige Twilfas=
t-canvas-type&nbsp;top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It still looks =
and fits great! I had it professionally installed and I've had zero regrets=
. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through the window....</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;"><br class=3D"yiv0369424193" c=
lear=3D"none"></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;">Dave</div>
</div>
<br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at =
12:53 PM dave &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" cl=
ass=3D"yiv0369424193" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=
=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv0369424193gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193gmail-m_3077276246423130986WordSection1">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal">I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I=
 hate it.&nbsp; it really is not the right size (too narrow) and the rear w=
indow is too large, so you can see the hoodstick through it<u class=3D"yiv0=
369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u>&nbsp;=
<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal">And, just half a dozen years from hav=
ing it installed, there are glued portions that have become unglued.&nbsp; =
Its really awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would re=
place it<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></div=

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u>&nbsp;=
<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></div>

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border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;=
">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><b class=3D"yiv0369424193">From:</b> =
Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=
=3D"yiv0369424193" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs-bounc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b class=3D"yiv0369424193">On Behalf Of </b>David=
 Friedlander<br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv03694=
24193">Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br class=3D"yiv0369424=
193" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv0369424193">To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0369424193"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dav=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clea=
r=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv0369424193">Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener n=
oreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0369424193" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumph=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>; <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0369424193" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br class=
=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv0369424193">Subject:</b> R=
e: [TR] New TR6 top<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193=
"></u></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u>&nbsp;=
<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:Sans;color:rgb(0,0,153);">At least the vinyl=
 top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matt=
er what or when. When they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand w=
hy the various manufacturers don't try out their patterns on actual vehicle=
s and adjust them, especially for when they use fabrics that don't stretch.=
 I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and have had a real chall=
enge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The m=
anufacturer has never actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how=
 they derive their patterns....<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"y=
iv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:Sans;color:rgb(0,0,153);"><u class=3D"yiv036=
9424193"></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:Sans;color:rgb(0,0,153);">Dave Friedlander<u=
 class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:Sans;color:rgb(0,0,153);"><u class=3D"yiv036=
9424193"></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:Sans;color:rgb(0,0,153);">Dave<u class=3D"yi=
v0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVI=
D MASSEY &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=
=3D"yiv0369424193" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u clas=
s=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></div>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:n=
one;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0=
in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193" id=3D"yiv0369424193gmail-m_3077276246423130986=
gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">The vinyl material used =
in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the =
vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.&nbsp; The problem is this product is v=
olatile and will dissipate over time making the top less and less stretchab=
le.&nbsp; If the top stretched whens installed (and installers don't like w=
rinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to re=
move them) it will become more difficult to erect, especially when cold.&nb=
sp; When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sitting i=
n his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled befor=
e he could get it installed).&nbsp; I had that top installed and it was a d=
ream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.&nbsp; I attribute that to t=
he fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.<u class=3D"yiv0369424193=
"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><u class=3D"yiv036942419=
3"></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">My advice is to get your=
 top installed when the weather is cold and the material is more resistant =
to stretching.&nbsp; The installer will pre-stretch the top less and it wil=
l work better in the long run.<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yi=
v0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><u class=3D"yiv036942419=
3"></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Here's another anecdote:=
 I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my opinion, cut about 1 inch =
too short.&nbsp; I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close to the edges as =
I could but still could only install it on a hot day in the sun.&nbsp; Sinc=
e this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is virtually permanently =
installed and over the years as the cover gets less stretchy it has become =
easier to install.&nbsp; I think the plasticizer has dissipated and the top=
 took a set in the stretched position.&nbsp; So, this raises a question: Wh=
at would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed it over the bows an=
d left the top up with a little extra stretch.&nbsp; After a while the top =
will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making it easier to put up.<u cla=
ss=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><u class=3D"yiv036942419=
3"></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Or buy your top years be=
fore you install it.<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv036942419=
3"></u></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><u class=3D"yiv036942419=
3"></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><span c=
lass=3D"yiv0369424193" style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial, sans-se=
rif;">Dave </span><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv=
0369424193"></u></span></div>
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=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><u class=3D"yiv036942419=
3"></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><u class=3D"yiv036942419=
3"></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193" id=3D"yiv0369424193gmail-m_3077276246423130986=
gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd03937">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><span c=
lass=3D"yiv0369424193" style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-seri=
f;">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none">Fr=
om: Dave MacKay &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" =
class=3D"yiv0369424193" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"yi=
v0369424193" clear=3D"none">To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sha=
pe=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0369424193" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs@auto=
x.team.net</a><br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none">Sent: Mon, Dec 28,=
 2020 4:41 pm<br class=3D"yiv0369424193" clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [TR] N=
ew TR6 top<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></s=
pan></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193" id=3D"yiv0369424193gmail-m_3077276246423130986=
gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">I, too, have had problem=
s with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.<u class=3D"yi=
v0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv036=
9424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Like Bob with his TR6, m=
y tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it w=
ith great effort even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by p=
rofessional installers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive=
 when I complained. I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could s=
ee what fit, but the replacement they sent me after that was no better.<u c=
lass=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv036=
9424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">The top hasn=E2=80=99t s=
tretched or loosened over time. If anything, it may have shrunk because it =
seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u>=
<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv036=
9424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">I would suggest having t=
he top (tonneau or convertible) made by your installer so that you get a go=
od fit. That would have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau=
 and having to pay for two installations.<u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u><u =
class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0369424193">
<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv036=
9424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">As always, particularly =
since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV<u class=3D"yiv0369=
424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv036=
9424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0369424193MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0369424193" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Good luck,<u class=3D"yi=
v0369424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<u class=3D"yiv036=
9424193"></u><u class=3D"yiv0369424193"></u></span></div>
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=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"></span></div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 17:01:42 -0500

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I have a 1976 Spitfire with the original top.  Still fits like a glove.  I
attribute that to the DPO storing the car with the top up.

I also have a 1975 TR6 that was always parked with the top down.  I can't
close the top, and I need to replace it not because it's worn, but because
they let it shrink.

Bottom line: erect your hood when you park your car.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 16:53 Rochlin Robert <[email-masked]> wrote:

> So, does anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down as it should? We
> seem to have trashed Robbins and Prestige.
>  My friend has a Mazda and he can easily grab the top handle from the
> drivers seat and pull it up with little effort. A half century advance in
> engeneering?
> Best,
> Bob
>
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macartney <[email-masked]=
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest
> intentions.
>
> I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type top for my TR6 for the last te=
n
>> I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.  it really is not the
>> right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see
>> the hoodstick through it
>>
>>
>>
>> At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT
>> going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, they're tig=
ht.
>> Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try out their
>> patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when they us=
e
>> fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in th=
e
>> lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fit=
ted
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>
>> The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is
>> an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.  The
the
>> top less and less stretchable.  If the top stretched whens installed (an=
d
>> the stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to ere=
ct,
>> especially when cold.  When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a =
top
>> that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his =
car
>> and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.  I attribu=
te
>> material is more resistant to stretching.  The installer will pre-stretc=
h
>> opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.  I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps a=
s
>> close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot d=
ay
>> virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets les=
s
>> After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making i=
t
>> I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a
>> TR3A, not a TR6.
>>
>>
>>
>> Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so
>> tight that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weathe=
r.
>> The tonneau was installed by professional installers who complained abou=
t
>> the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my previo=
us
>> tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but the replacement they sen=
t
>> The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it =
may have
>> installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for m=
e
>> As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR=
3A, YMMV
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked].=
uk
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">I have a 1976 Spitfire with the original top.=C2=A0 Still=
 fits like a glove.=C2=A0 I attribute that to the DPO storing the car with =
the top up.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I also=
 have a 1975 TR6 that was always parked with the top down.=C2=A0 I can&#39;=
t close the top, and I need to replace it not because it&#39;s worn, but be=
cause they let it shrink.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Bottom line: erect your hood when you park your car.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jeff Scarbrough</div><div dir=3D"auto">Corro=
sion Acres, Ga.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 16:53 Rochlin Robert &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-b=
reak:after-white-space"><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">		</span>So, d=
oes anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down as it should? We seem to=
 have trashed Robbins and Prestige.<div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap=
">	</span>=C2=A0My friend has a Mazda and he can easily grab the top handle=
 from the drivers seat and pull it up with little effort. A half century ad=
vance in engeneering?</div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</spa=
n>Best,</div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span>Bob<br><div>=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macart=
ney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only m=
an who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
>On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-=
serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-=
type=C2=A0top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It still looks and fits =
great! I had it professionally installed and I&#39;ve had zero regrets. Not=
 sure how you can see the hoodstick through the window....</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.=C2=
=A0 it really is not the right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too=
 large, so you can see the hoodstick through it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, just hal=
f a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued portions that hav=
e become unglued.=C2=A0 Its really awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t=
 so expensive I would replace it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;bo=
rder-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Friedlander<br><b>Sent:=
</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dav=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave@=
mdmackay.ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot=
;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfa=
st tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When they&#39;re t=
ight, they&#39;re tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturer=
s don&#39;t try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, espe=
cially for when they use fabrics that don&#39;t stretch. I have a hoodstick=
 cover from Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to s=
tretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has nev=
er actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don&#39;t know how they derive th=
eir patterns....<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:r=
gb(0,0,153)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;colo=
r:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave Friedlander<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans =
MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sa=
ns MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;bor=
der-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div id=
=3D"m_-3118189463787433989gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213=
825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The vinyl material used in tops=
 is produced with a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl s=
oft, pliable and stretchable.=C2=A0 The problem is this product is volatile=
 and will dissipate over time making the top less and less stretchable.=C2=
=A0 If the top stretched whens installed (and installers don&#39;t like wri=
nkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remo=
ve them) it will become more difficult to erect, especially when cold.=C2=
=A0 When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sitting i=
n his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled befor=
e he could get it installed).=C2=A0 I had that top installed and it was a d=
ream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.=C2=A0 I attribute that to t=
he fact that it wasn&#39;t stretchable when installed.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=
My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the mat=
erial is more resistant to stretching.=C2=A0 The installer will pre-stretch=
 the top less and it will work better in the long run.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=
Here&#39;s another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in m=
y opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.=C2=A0 I installed the Lift-A-Dot sna=
ps as close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a ho=
t day in the sun.=C2=A0 Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonne=
au is virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets =
less stretchy it has become easier to install.=C2=A0 I think the plasticize=
r has dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched position.=C2=A0 So=
, this raises a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose an=
d placed it over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.=
=C2=A0 After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps maki=
ng it easier to put up.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Or buy your top years before you=
 install it.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dave </span><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-seri=
f"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"m_-3118189463787433989gm=
ail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd0393=
7"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-----Original Message-----<br>=
From: Dave MacKay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:trium=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
m.net</a><br>Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 t=
op<u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"m_-3118189463787433989gmail-m_3077276=
246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-seri=
f">I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3=
A, not a TR6.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also=
 a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort ev=
en in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professional install=
ers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained.=
 I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but th=
e replacement they sent me after that was no better.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The =
top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it may hav=
e shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif">I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by you=
r installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me=
 than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:A=
rial,sans-serif">As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with =
a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Good luck,<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=
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