Subject: Re: [TR] Battery charging

From: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 20:51:29 -0500

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Merry Christmas!  I took my TR3a out today top down with Santa hat in 50 deg=
ree weather.  Brrrr.  But the heater is working well. =20
Cheers,
Jim Henningsen=20
Ocala fl=20

> On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I forgot to mention =E2=80=93 here it is Christmas night and there are a b=
unch of us chatting about the relative merits of battery chargers, and we ar=
e doing it from each end of the country. This is why I enjoy this crew so mu=
ch. There is just so much genuine help and assistance. We need to always giv=
e Mark Bradakis a big thank-you for keeping the mechanics of this process up=
 and running. Where would we be without his efforts?
> =20
> Have a great Christmas, everyone , as well as a good new year. It=E2=80=99=
s now 8:30 in Connecticut and to all, a good night.
> =20
> Alex Thomson
> =20
> From: Rye Livingston [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:58 PM
> To: Alex & Janet Thomson
> Cc: David Friedlander; TR3 Triumphs; list Triumph
> Subject: Re: [TR] Battery charging
> =20
> For what it=E2=80=99s worth, here is an opinion from to experts I was surp=
rised to hear.  One is a Porsche mechanic who=E2=80=99s been in the business=
 for 30+ years.  The Interstate battery had died and even pumped out some wh=
ite power at the end, out a breather tube from the battery.  I cleaned it al=
l up well, worried about battery acid in the front truck.  I went to the sho=
p, he=E2=80=99s an Interstate distributor as well, and bought a new battery a=
nd told him what happened, and that I=E2=80=99d had the battery connected to=
 a Battery Tender Jr.  He told me that even that brand, which is good, is re=
ally not good to leave on all the time, and it will cook the battery.  He re=
commends putting it on for a week or two, then disconnecting for a week or t=
wo, and repeat.  Well that=E2=80=99s a pain.
> =20
> Then in my Airstream trailer which has two 12 volt deep cycle batteries, I=
=E2=80=99ve read that the power converter that comes with the trailer also i=
sn=E2=80=99t designed to leave plugged in all the time and it will cook the b=
atteries, which did happen.  I tried using a Battery Tender Jr on that but i=
t couldn=E2=80=99t deal with 2 batteries.  I was then told about an upgrade f=
or the Airsteam power converter on Amazon, about $200 or so, which I install=
ed and it does manage the float and it can be left plugged in for months and=
 months no problem.
> =20
> So be careful with Battery Tenders.  I have two Battery Tender Jrs and fou=
r Die Hard battery tenders for multiple cars, Kubota tractor and a boat.  Ju=
st be careful how long you leave them plugged in and check the water level i=
f it=E2=80=99s not a gel battery.  I have an Optima in my Triumph and Kubota=
.
> =20
> Good luck,
> =20
> Rye
>=20
>=20
> On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
> =20
> Are the batteries still connected to their cars? Maybe there is a slight d=
raw on the TR6. Our TR6 took the whole summer off because it needs a new wir=
ing harness. There were some wires that had let the smoke out! After I drove=
 it into winter storage, I disconnected the ground cable and noticed that th=
ere was a tiny spark! Something is leaking current. Another project to do!
> =20
> Alex Thomson
> =20
> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of David=
 Friedlander
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 3:18 PM
> To: New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs
> Subject: [TR] Battery charging
> =20
> Hey all ~ Merry Christmas ...!
> =20
> I have one float charger that serves both my TR3 that has an Optima red to=
p battery and my TR6 that has a Sears Die Hard. Seems like even though each b=
attery is only 2 -3 years old, the Die Hard seems to need more frequent =E2=80=
=9Ctopping up=E2=80=9D than the Optima.... Interesting....
> =20
> Dave
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Merry Christmas! &nbsp;I t=
ook my TR3a out today top down with Santa hat in 50 degree weather. &nbsp;Br=
rrr. &nbsp;But the heater is working well. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Chee=
rs,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim Henningsen&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ocala f=
l&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 25, 2020,=
 at 8:28 PM, Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:=
<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1F497D">I forgot to mention =E2=80=93 here it is Christmas night a=
nd there are a bunch of us chatting about the relative merits of battery cha=
rgers, and we are doing it from each end of the country. This is why I enjoy=
 this crew so much. There is just so much genuine help and assistance. We ne=
ed to always give Mark Bradakis a big thank-you for keeping the mechanics of=
 this process up and running. Where would we be without his efforts?<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Have a great Christmas, everyone , as well as a=
 good new year. It=E2=80=99s now 8:30 in Connecticut and to all, a good nigh=
t.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D=
"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahom=
a&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Rye Livingston [=
mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 25, 2020 6:58 PM<br><=
b>To:</b> Alex &amp; Janet Thomson<br><b>Cc:</b> David Friedlander; TR3 Triu=
mphs; list Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Battery charging<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">For what it=E2=80=99s worth, here is an opinion from to experts I=
 was surprised to hear. &nbsp;One is a Porsche mechanic who=E2=80=99s been i=
n the business for 30+ years. &nbsp;The Interstate battery had died and even=
 pumped out some white power at the end, out a breather tube from the batter=
y. &nbsp;I cleaned it all up well, worried about battery acid in the front t=
ruck. &nbsp;I went to the shop, he=E2=80=99s an Interstate distributor as we=
ll, and bought a new battery and told him what happened, and that I=E2=80=99=
d had the battery connected to a Battery Tender Jr. &nbsp;He told me that ev=
en that brand, which is good, is really not good to leave on all the time, a=
nd it will cook the battery. &nbsp;He recommends putting it on for a week or=
 two, then disconnecting for a week or two, and repeat. &nbsp;Well that=E2=80=
=99s a pain.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Then in my Airstream trailer which has two=
 12 volt deep cycle batteries, I=E2=80=99ve read that the power converter th=
at comes with the trailer also isn=E2=80=99t designed to leave plugged in al=
l the time and it will cook the batteries, which did happen. &nbsp;I tried u=
sing a Battery Tender Jr on that but it couldn=E2=80=99t deal with 2 batteri=
es. &nbsp;I was then told about an upgrade for the Airsteam power converter o=
n Amazon, about $200 or so, which I installed and it does manage the float a=
nd it can be left plugged in for months and months no problem.<o:p></o:p></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">So be careful with Battery Tenders. &nbsp;I have two Battery Ten=
der Jrs and four Die Hard battery tenders for multiple cars, Kubota tractor a=
nd a boat. &nbsp;Just be careful how long you leave them plugged in and chec=
k the water level if it=E2=80=99s not a gel battery. &nbsp;I have an Optima i=
n my Triumph and Kubota.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Good luck,<o:p></o:p></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Rye<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex &amp; Jan=
et Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">aljlthomson@charte=
r.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Are the batteries still c=
onnected to their cars? Maybe there is a slight draw on the TR6. Our TR6 too=
k the whole summer off because it needs a new wiring harness. There were som=
e wires that had let the smoke out! After I drove it into winter storage, I d=
isconnected the ground cable and noticed that there was a tiny spark! Someth=
ing is leaking current. Another project to do!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converte=
d-space"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Triumphs [<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</=
a>]<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span c=
lass=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>David Friedlander<br><b>Sent=
:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, December 25,=
 2020 3:18 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</spa=
n>New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"apple-=
converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[TR] Battery charging</span><o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">Hey all ~ Merry Christmas ...!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">I have one float charger that serves both my TR3 that has an Optima r=
ed top battery and my TR6 that has a Sears Die Hard. Seems like even though e=
ach battery is only 2 -3 years old, the Die Hard seems to need more frequent=
 =E2=80=9Ctopping up=E2=80=9D than the Optima.... Interesting....<o:p></o:p>=
</p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div>=
</div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p cla=
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Several years ago we started using a battery maintenance device on our airpl=
ane battery during the winter.  The battery maintenance device is on a timer=
 so it=E2=80=99s on about an hour a day .  Since we started using it we have=
 we have not had a battery failure.  A great improvement over previous batte=
ry life. Aviation batteries are very expensive.
    I also have a Battery Minder in the garage that I move between cars in t=
he cold weather.  I=E2=80=99ve got a older BMW that generates  random (  it s=
eems) trouble codes if I attempt to start it and the battery voltage is low.=

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:52 PM, Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Merry Christmas!  I took my TR3a out today top down with Santa hat in 50 d=
egree weather.  Brrrr.  But the heater is working well. =20
> Cheers,
> Jim Henningsen=20
> Ocala fl=20
>=20
>>> On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]=
>> For what it=E2=80=99s worth, here is an opinion from to experts I was sur=
prised to hear.  One is a Porsche mechanic who=E2=80=99s been in the busines=
s for 30+ years.  The Interstate battery had died and even pumped out some w=
hite power at the end, out a breather tube from the battery.  I cleaned it a=
ll up well, worried about battery acid in the front truck.  I went to the sh=
op, he=E2=80=99s an Interstate distributor as well, and bought a new battery=
 and told him what happened, and that I=E2=80=99d had the battery connected t=
o a Battery Tender Jr.  He told me that even that brand, which is good, is r=
eally not good to leave on all the time, and it will cook the battery.  He r=
ecommends putting it on for a week or two, then disconnecting for a week or t=
wo, and repeat.  Well that=E2=80=99s a pain.
>> =20
>> So be careful with Battery Tenders.  I have two Battery Tender Jrs and fo=
ur Die Hard battery tenders for multiple cars, Kubota tractor and a boat.  J=
ust be careful how long you leave them plugged in and check the water level i=
f it=E2=80=99s not a gel battery.  I have an Optima in my Triumph and Kubota=
.
>> =20
>> Good luck,
>> =20
>> Rye
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]=
>> =20
>> Alex Thomson
>> =20
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Davi=
d Friedlander
>> I have one float charger that serves both my TR3 that has an Optima red t=
op battery and my TR6 that has a Sears Die Hard. Seems like even though each=
 battery is only 2 -3 years old, the Die Hard seems to need more frequent =E2=
=80=9Ctopping up=E2=80=9D than the Optima.... Interesting....
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Several years ago we started using a batter=
y maintenance device on our airplane battery during the winter. &nbsp;The ba=
ttery maintenance device is on a timer so it=E2=80=99s on about an hour a da=
y . &nbsp;Since we started using it we have we have not had a battery failur=
e. &nbsp;A great improvement over previous battery life. Aviation batteries a=
re very expensive.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; I also have a Battery Minder in the gara=
ge that I move between cars in the cold weather. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve got a ol=
der BMW that generates &nbsp;random ( &nbsp;it seems) trouble codes if I att=
empt to start it and the battery voltage is low.<br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent fr=
om my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 25, 2=
020, at 8:52 PM, Jim Henningsen &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></bl=
ockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta htt=
p-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Merry Christmas! &nbsp;I took my TR3a out today top down with Santa hat=
 in 50 degree weather. &nbsp;Brrrr. &nbsp;But the heater is working well. &n=
bsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim Henningsen&nbsp=
;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ocala fl&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;alj=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1F497D">I forgot to mention =E2=80=93 here it is Christmas night a=
nd there are a bunch of us chatting about the relative merits of battery cha=
rgers, and we are doing it from each end of the country. This is why I enjoy=
 this crew so much. There is just so much genuine help and assistance. We ne=
ed to always give Mark Bradakis a big thank-you for keeping the mechanics of=
 this process up and running. Where would we be without his efforts?<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
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ns-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Have a great Christmas, everyone , as well as a=
 good new year. It=E2=80=99s now 8:30 in Connecticut and to all, a good nigh=
t.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
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ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahom=
a&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Rye Livingston [=
mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 25, 2020 6:58 PM<br><=
b>To:</b> Alex &amp; Janet Thomson<br><b>Cc:</b> David Friedlander; TR3 Triu=
mphs; list Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Battery charging<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">For what it=E2=80=99s worth, here is an opinion from to experts I=
 was surprised to hear. &nbsp;One is a Porsche mechanic who=E2=80=99s been i=
n the business for 30+ years. &nbsp;The Interstate battery had died and even=
 pumped out some white power at the end, out a breather tube from the batter=
y. &nbsp;I cleaned it all up well, worried about battery acid in the front t=
ruck. &nbsp;I went to the shop, he=E2=80=99s an Interstate distributor as we=
ll, and bought a new battery and told him what happened, and that I=E2=80=99=
d had the battery connected to a Battery Tender Jr. &nbsp;He told me that ev=
en that brand, which is good, is really not good to leave on all the time, a=
nd it will cook the battery. &nbsp;He recommends putting it on for a week or=
 two, then disconnecting for a week or two, and repeat. &nbsp;Well that=E2=80=
=99s a pain.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Then in my Airstream trailer which has two=
 12 volt deep cycle batteries, I=E2=80=99ve read that the power converter th=
at comes with the trailer also isn=E2=80=99t designed to leave plugged in al=
l the time and it will cook the batteries, which did happen. &nbsp;I tried u=
sing a Battery Tender Jr on that but it couldn=E2=80=99t deal with 2 batteri=
es. &nbsp;I was then told about an upgrade for the Airsteam power converter o=
n Amazon, about $200 or so, which I installed and it does manage the float a=
nd it can be left plugged in for months and months no problem.<o:p></o:p></p=
ote><span>** [email-masked] **</span><br><span></span><br><span>Don=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 15:40:44 +0000 (UTC)

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 After all this talk about charging I thought it was time to top up my batt=
eries.=C2=A0 The TR6 has a constant drain from a radio with electronic tuni=
ng and a digital clock and a display that is always active.=C2=A0 About 5 m=
A.=C2=A0 The smart charger spent a few minutes in absorption mode and then =
to float.=C2=A0 But then I've driven the car fairly recently.
The TR3, which hadn't been driven since August or September, went straight =
to float. After 4 months of inactivity there was no appreciable battery dis=
charge on the TR3.
I once parked my TR6 in a barn for 11 months (it was supposed to be 4 month=
s but life gets in the way).=C2=A0 When I went to get it I came prepared fo=
r the worst but all I had to do was hook up the batter, start the car and d=
rive home.
My experience tells me that batteries have a pretty good shelf life.=C2=A0 =
If the battery is disconnected or in a car such as my TR3 with no static lo=
ad when switched off, it can go for four to six months easily.=C2=A0 Puttin=
g the charger on it once a month is plenty.=C2=A0 If you have a car with a =
static load (like most modern cars or cars with modern radios) once a week =
is probably a good idea.=C2=A0 If you want to set-and-forget get a timer an=
d run it occasionally as Rob does with his airplane - though I'll bet 15 mi=
nutes a day would be plenty.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]>
Cc: list Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 7:23 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery charging

Several years ago we started using a battery maintenance device on our airp=
lane battery during the winter. =C2=A0The battery maintenance device is on =
a timer so it=E2=80=99s on about an hour a day . =C2=A0Since we started usi=
ng it we have we have not had a battery failure. =C2=A0A great improvement =
over previous battery life. Aviation batteries are very expensive.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I also have a Battery Minder in the garage that I move betwee=
n cars in the cold weather. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve got a older BMW that generat=
es =C2=A0random ( =C2=A0it seems) trouble codes if I attempt to start it an=
d the battery voltage is low.
Sent from my iPhone

=EF=BB=BF
Merry Christmas! =C2=A0I took my TR3a out today top down with Santa hat in =
50 degree weather. =C2=A0Brrrr. =C2=A0But the heater is working well. =C2=
=A0Cheers,Jim Henningsen=C2=A0Ocala fl=C2=A0

On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:

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dSection1 {}#yiv0724164122 I forgot to mention =E2=80=93 here it is Christm=
as night and there are a bunch of us chatting about the relative merits of =
battery chargers, and we are doing it from each end of the country. This is=
 why I enjoy this crew so much. There is just so much genuine help and assi=
stance. We need to always give Mark Bradakis a big thank-you for keeping th=
e mechanics of this process up and running. Where would we be without his e=
fforts? =C2=A0Have a great Christmas, everyone , as well as a good new year=
. It=E2=80=99s now 8:30 in Connecticut and to all, a good night. =C2=A0Alex=
 Thomson =C2=A0From: Rye Livingston [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:58 PM
To: Alex & Janet Thomson
Cc: David Friedlander; TR3 Triumphs; list Triumph
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery charging =C2=A0For what it=E2=80=99s worth, here =
is an opinion from to experts I was surprised to hear. =C2=A0One is a Porsc=
he mechanic who=E2=80=99s been in the business for 30+ years. =C2=A0The Int=
erstate battery had died and even pumped out some white power at the end, o=
ut a breather tube from the battery. =C2=A0I cleaned it all up well, worrie=
d about battery acid in the front truck. =C2=A0I went to the shop, he=E2=80=
=99s an Interstate distributor as well, and bought a new battery and told h=
im what happened, and that I=E2=80=99d had the battery connected to a Batte=
ry Tender Jr. =C2=A0He told me that even that brand, which is good, is real=
ly not good to leave on all the time, and it will cook the battery. =C2=A0H=
e recommends putting it on for a week or two, then disconnecting for a week=
 or two, and repeat. =C2=A0Well that=E2=80=99s a pain. =C2=A0Then in my Air=
stream trailer which has two 12 volt deep cycle batteries, I=E2=80=99ve rea=
d that the power converter that comes with the trailer also isn=E2=80=99t d=
esigned to leave plugged in all the time and it will cook the batteries, wh=
ich did happen. =C2=A0I tried using a Battery Tender Jr on that but it coul=
dn=E2=80=99t deal with 2 batteries. =C2=A0I was then told about an upgrade =
for the Airsteam power converter on Amazon, about $200 or so, which I insta=
lled and it does manage the float and it can be left plugged in for months =
and months no problem. =C2=A0So be careful with Battery Tenders. =C2=A0I ha=
ve two Battery Tender Jrs and four Die Hard battery tenders for multiple ca=
rs, Kubota tractor and a boat. =C2=A0Just be careful how long you leave the=
m plugged in and check the water level if it=E2=80=99s not a gel battery. =
=C2=A0I have an Optima in my Triumph and Kubota. =C2=A0Good luck, =C2=A0Rye

On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]>=
 wrote: =C2=A0Are the batteries still connected to their cars? Maybe there =
is a slight draw on the TR6. Our TR6 took the whole summer off because it n=
eeds a new wiring harness. There were some wires that had let the smoke out=
! After I drove it into winter storage, I disconnected the ground cable and=
 noticed that there was a tiny spark! Something is leaking current. Another=
 project to do!=C2=A0Alex Thomson=C2=A0From:=C2=A0Triumphs [mailto:triumphs=
[email-masked]]=C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0David Friedlander
Sent:=C2=A0Friday, December 25, 2020 3:18 PM
To:=C2=A0New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs
Subject:=C2=A0[TR] Battery charging=C2=A0Hey all ~ Merry Christmas ...!=C2=
=A0I have one float charger that serves both my TR3 that has an Optima red =
top battery and my TR6 that has a Sears Die Hard. Seems like even though ea=
ch battery is only 2 -3 years old, the Die Hard seems to need more frequent=
 =E2=80=9Ctopping up=E2=80=9D than the Optima.... Interesting....=C2=A0Dave=
** [email-masked] **

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">After all this talk about charging I thought it was =
time to top up my batteries.&nbsp; The TR6 has a constant drain from a radi=
o with electronic tuning and a digital clock and a display that is always a=
ctive.&nbsp; About 5 mA.&nbsp; The smart charger spent a few minutes in abs=
orption mode and then to float.&nbsp; But then I've driven the car fairly r=
ecently.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">The TR3, which hadn't been driven since August or Sep=
tember, went straight to float. After 4 months of inactivity there was no a=
ppreciable battery discharge on the TR3.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">I once parked my TR6 in a barn for 11 months (it was =
supposed to be 4 months but life gets in the way).&nbsp; When I went to get=
 it I came prepared for the worst but all I had to do was hook up the batte=
r, start the car and drive home.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">My experience tells me that batteries have a pretty g=
ood shelf life.&nbsp; If the battery is disconnected or in a car such as my=
 TR3 with no static load when switched off, it can go for four to six month=
s easily.&nbsp; Putting the charger on it once a month is plenty.&nbsp; If =
you have a car with a static load (like most modern cars or cars with moder=
n radios) once a week is probably a good idea.&nbsp; If you want to <span s=
tyle=3D"font-style: italic;">set-and-forget</span> get a timer and run it o=
ccasionally as Rob does with his airplane - though I'll bet 15 minutes a da=
y would be plenty.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: Robert Rochlin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: list Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 7:23 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery charging<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv0724164122">
<div>Several years ago we started using a battery maintenance device on our=
 airplane battery during the winter. &nbsp;The battery maintenance device i=
s on a timer so it=E2=80=99s on about an hour a day . &nbsp;Since we starte=
d using it we have we have not had a battery failure. &nbsp;A great improve=
ment over previous battery life. Aviation batteries are very expensive.<br =
clear=3D"none">&nbsp; &nbsp; I also have a Battery Minder in the garage tha=
t I move between cars in the cold weather. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve got a older B=
MW that generates &nbsp;random ( &nbsp;it seems) trouble codes if I attempt=
 to start it and the battery voltage is low.<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122yqt0058784409" id=3D"yiv0724164122yqtfd00794"><b=
r clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:52 PM, Jim=
 Henningsen &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none"></blockquote></div>
</div>

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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Merry Christmas! &nbsp;I took my TR3a out today top down w=
ith Santa hat in 50 degree weather. &nbsp;Brrrr. &nbsp;But the heater is wo=
rking well. &nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Jim Henningsen&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Ocala fl&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 25, 20=
20, at 8:28 PM, Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wr=
ote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122WordSection1">
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">I forg=
ot to mention =E2=80=93 here it is Christmas night and there are a bunch of=
 us chatting about the relative merits of battery chargers, and we are doin=
g it from each end of the country. This is why I enjoy this crew so much. T=
here is just so much genuine help and assistance. We need to always give Ma=
rk Bradakis a big thank-you for keeping the mechanics of this process up an=
d running. Where would we be without his efforts?</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp=
;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Have a=
 great Christmas, everyone , as well as a good new year. It=E2=80=99s now 8=
:30 in Connecticut and to all, a good night.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp=
;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Alex T=
homson</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp=
;</span></div>

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From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Rye Livingston [mailto:r=
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 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Alex &amp; Janet Thomson<br clear=3D"none"=
><b>Cc:</b> David Friedlander; TR3 Triumphs; list Triumph<br clear=3D"none"=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Battery charging</span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">For what it=E2=80=99s worth, here is =
an opinion from to experts I was surprised to hear. &nbsp;One is a Porsche =
mechanic who=E2=80=99s been in the business for 30+ years. &nbsp;The Inters=
tate battery had died and even pumped out some white power at the end, out =
a breather tube from the battery. &nbsp;I cleaned it all up well, worried a=
bout battery acid in the front truck. &nbsp;I went to the shop, he=E2=80=99=
s an Interstate distributor as well, and bought a new battery and told him =
what happened, and that I=E2=80=99d had the battery connected to a Battery =
Tender Jr. &nbsp;He told me that even that brand, which is good, is really =
not good to leave on all the time, and it will cook the battery. &nbsp;He r=
ecommends putting it on for a week or two, then disconnecting for a week or=
 two, and repeat. &nbsp;Well that=E2=80=99s a pain.</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Then in my Airstream trailer which ha=
s two 12 volt deep cycle batteries, I=E2=80=99ve read that the power conver=
ter that comes with the trailer also isn=E2=80=99t designed to leave plugge=
d in all the time and it will cook the batteries, which did happen. &nbsp;I=
 tried using a Battery Tender Jr on that but it couldn=E2=80=99t deal with =
2 batteries. &nbsp;I was then told about an upgrade for the Airsteam power =
converter on Amazon, about $200 or so, which I installed and it does manage=
 the float and it can be left plugged in for months and months no problem.<=
/div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">So be careful with Battery Tenders. &=
nbsp;I have two Battery Tender Jrs and four Die Hard battery tenders for mu=
ltiple cars, Kubota tractor and a boat. &nbsp;Just be careful how long you =
leave them plugged in and check the water level if it=E2=80=99s not a gel b=
attery. &nbsp;I have an Optima in my Triumph and Kubota.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Good luck,</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Rye</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex &am=
p; Janet Thomson &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Are th=
e batteries still connected to their cars? Maybe there is a slight draw on =
the TR6. Our TR6 took the whole summer off because it needs a new wiring ha=
rness. There were some wires that had let the smoke out! After I drove it i=
nto winter storage, I disconnected the ground cable and noticed that there =
was a tiny spark! Something is leaking current. Another project to do!</spa=
n></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;=
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Alex T=
homson</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;=
</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;">Triumphs [<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]=
</a>]<span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On =
Behalf Of<span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></=
b>David Friedlander<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"yiv0724164=
122apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, December 25, 2020 3:18 PM<br=
 clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b><span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space=
">&nbsp;</span>New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subj=
ect:</b><span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[TR=
] Battery charging</span></div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Hey all ~ Merry Christmas ...!</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">I have one float charger that serves =
both my TR3 that has an Optima red top battery and my TR6 that has a Sears =
Die Hard. Seems like even though each battery is only 2 -3 years old, the D=
ie Hard seems to need more frequent =E2=80=9Ctopping up=E2=80=9D than the O=
ptima.... Interesting....</div>
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