Subject: [TR] Fwd: sandblasting

From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 20:52:51 -0000 MailServer2006B801.10000-Famine2006-0-d0984de47dd0

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I sent this at 8:38 am, but it never came back around to me, so I don't kn=
ow if it went out to the list or not. =C2=A0Sorry if it did. =C2=A0This is=
 the media my nephew used on my trailer.=0A=0ARye=0A=0ABegin forwarded mes=
sage:=0A=0AFrom: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>=0ADate: 4/24/2020=0ATo: dav=
e <[email-masked]>=0ACc: 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]>=0ASubject:=
 Re: [TR] sandblasting=0A=0A=0AOK, it's -=C2=A0COAL SLAG BLAST MEDIA=0Ahtt=
ps://www.agsco.com/coal-slag/=0A=0A=0AOn April 24, 2020 at 8:04 AM, dave <=
[email-masked]> wrote:=0A=0AThat black media he used was likely ground u=
p lava.=C2=A0 I have used that and its not as aggressive as sand.=C2=A0=0A=
=C2=A0=0AFrom: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Rye=
 Livingston=0ASent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 AM=0ATo: DAVE HOGYE <dlhog=
[email-masked]>=0ACc: Triumphs ([email-masked]) <[email-masked]=
eam.net>=0ASubject: Re: [TR] sandblasting=0A=C2=A0=0AMy nephew started his=
 own company of mobile power cleaning. =C2=A0He bought this serious diesel=
 powered professional duel axle trailer rig in Texas, and he could power c=
lean with all kinds of media depending on the application, and he also had=
 hot water blasting. =C2=A0He did all kinds of jobs, from vintage cars, bo=
ats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations in San Francisco for both graffi=
ti to human waste. =C2=A0And if that wasn't gross enough, he said one of t=
he worst was a Chinese restaurant that got sited and fined every day for g=
rease oozing out of the cinder black and concrete enclosure for their dump=
ster. =C2=A0One of his easiest jobs was my 8' long utility trailer.=0A=C2=A0=
=0AIn all those situations, a mobile service=C2=A0like his, they will=C2=A0=
capture and clean up the=C2=A0media and waste, big vacuum system. For that=
 Chinese restaurant he put out dams to channel the water and goo and=C2=A0=
were vacuuming up all that grease and hot water, very gross. =C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=
=0AAt my house he used an inert material, but it was not sand. =C2=A0It wa=
s some sort of black material that looked like shards of coal. =C2=A0I've =
texted him to find out what it was.=0A=C2=A0=0AAs was=C2=A0mentioned, for =
the cars he blasted, he had a couple of "learning" cars that were not vint=
age. =C2=A0The trick was to=C2=A0learn not to let the hood, or any long bo=
dy panel, get=C2=A0hot and warp. =C2=A0So check for references to make sur=
e who you hire has that experience. =C2=A0After he learned he did several =
cars including BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.=0A=C2=A0=0AWhen he =
did this work, he had a full helmet respirator setup, coveralls, gloves an=
d boots. =C2=A0No media got where he didn't want it, but he was a hot swea=
ty mess when he took that helmet off.=0A=C2=A0=0AI live in a cul-de-sac an=
d he did the blasting down there, and there was just a little bit of media=
 that was under the trailer that didn't get cleaned up, so again, a mobile=
 service has a process to not leave all that behind.=0A=C2=A0=0AHe also ha=
d a "rust inhibitor" he sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't get a quick=
 flash rust overnight. =C2=A0Google that for details. I was able to paint =
over that no problem. =C2=A0I bought a gallon of black Rust-Oleum paint an=
d repainted it myself and it's like a new trailer.=0A=C2=A0=0AGood luck,=0A=
=C2=A0=0ARye=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=0AOn April 23, 2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HO=
GYE <[email-masked]> wrote:=0A=0ABack in '08-'09, I had my TR3 body t=
ub and frame blasted at a local powder coating company.=C2=A0 $300 each.=C2=
=A0 They blasted every square inch with crushed garnet.=C2=A0 The tub was =
stripped of every bolt-on part.=C2=A0 In two different visits, I set up bo=
th items on my makeshift engine stand rotisserie, with custom attachments,=
 to make it a lot easier for them and the best outcome.=C2=A0 Worth every =
penny and more.=0ASkip this part if you can and have a company do this wor=
k.=C2=A0 You might even consider a mobile unit come to you.=C2=A0 Differen=
t media can be used depending on paint or rust.=C2=A0 Special care has to =
be taken on body parts, not to warp them, but if the person has a little f=
inesse, any harm can be avoided.=0AThe important part of good blasting is =
high CFM from the compressor.=C2=A0 If you don't have enough CFM, you'll b=
e working way too hard for way too long.=C2=A0=0ADave H.=0A=C2=A0=0AOn Apr=
il 23, 2020 at 8:25 PM Greg Lemon <[email-masked]> wrote:=0A=0AI strippe=
d a TR4 years ago over the course of I don't remember how many evenings af=
ter work, using several gallons of paint stripper bought at closeout tool =
store, saying never again and wishing I had a sandblaster.=C2=A0=C2=A0=0A=C2=
=A0=0ABe careful what you wish for I guess.=0A=C2=A0=0AGreg Lemon=0ATR250=0A=
=C2=A0=0AOn Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 9:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough < [email-masked]=
om> wrote:=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AOn Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:53 PM Michael Por=
ter < [email-masked]> wrote:=0A=C2=A0=0AWhich reminds me of J.E. Gordon'=
s (The New Science of Strong Materials) remark about production welding:=C2=
=A0 "Welding is like Hell--fun for the first three or four hours."=0A=C2=A0=
=0A=C2=A0=0AThere was a time when I couldn't wait to learn how to run the =
cotton picker at work.=C2=A0 It got old kind of quick...But it still beat =
a day in the office in front of the computer.=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A** trium=
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<html><body><div>I sent this at 8:38 am, but it never came back around to me, so I don=
't know if it went out to the list or not. &nbsp;Sorry if it did. &nbsp;Th=
is is the media my nephew used on my trailer.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=
=3D"1"></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signature">Rye<br></div><div><br>Begin =
forwarded message:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=
=3D"color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000000;"><b></b></span><div=
 class=3D"msg-quote"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"color: =
#000000;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000000;"><b>From: </b></span><span>Rye=
 Livingston &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span style=3D"color: #000000;"=
 data-mce-style=3D"color: #000000;"><b>Date: </b></span><span>4/24/2020</s=
pan><br><span style=3D"color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000000;"=
><b>To: </b></span><span>dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span sty=
le=3D"color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000000;"><b>Cc: </b></spa=
n><span>'Triumphs' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span style=3D=
"color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000000;"><b>Subject: </b></spa=
n><span><b>Re: [TR] sandblasting</b></span><br><br><div class=3D"msg-quote=
"><div><br></div><div>OK, it's -&nbsp;COAL SLAG BLAST MEDIA</div><div><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.agsco.com/coal-slag/" data-mce-href=3D"https://www.agsc=
o.com/coal-slag/">https://www.agsco.com/coal-slag/</a></div><div><br></div=
><div><br>On April 24, 2020 at 8:04 AM, dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrot=
e:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote" la=
ng=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That black=
 media he used was likely ground up lava.&nbsp; I have used that and its n=
ot as aggressive as sand.&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><=
div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt=
 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1=
.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tri=
umphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rye Livi=
ngston<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVE H=
OGYE &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs ([email-masked]=
am.net) &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] sandbl=
asting</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">My nephew started his own company of mobile power cleaning. &nbsp=
;He bought this serious diesel powered professional duel axle trailer rig =
in Texas, and he could power clean with all kinds of media depending on th=
e application, and he also had hot water blasting. &nbsp;He did all kinds =
of jobs, from vintage cars, boats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations in=
 San Francisco for both graffiti to human waste. &nbsp;And if that wasn't =
gross enough, he said one of the worst was a Chinese restaurant that got s=
ited and fined every day for grease oozing out of the cinder black and con=
crete enclosure for their dumpster. &nbsp;One of his easiest jobs was my 8=
' long utility trailer.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In all those situations, a mobile service&n=
bsp;like his, they will&nbsp;capture and clean up the&nbsp;media and waste=
, big vacuum system. For that Chinese restaurant he put out dams to channe=
l the water and goo and&nbsp;were vacuuming up all that grease and hot wat=
er, very gross. &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">At my house he used an inert material, but i=
t was not sand. &nbsp;It was some sort of black material that looked like =
shards of coal. &nbsp;I've texted him to find out what it was.</p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">As w=
as&nbsp;mentioned, for the cars he blasted, he had a couple of "learning" =
cars that were not vintage. &nbsp;The trick was to&nbsp;learn not to let t=
he hood, or any long body panel, get&nbsp;hot and warp. &nbsp;So check for=
 references to make sure who you hire has that experience. &nbsp;After he =
learned he did several cars including BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsch=
es.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">When he did this work, he had a full helmet respirator setup, c=
overalls, gloves and boots. &nbsp;No media got where he didn't want it, bu=
t he was a hot sweaty mess when he took that helmet off.</p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I live in =
a cul-de-sac and he did the blasting down there, and there was just a litt=
le bit of media that was under the trailer that didn't get cleaned up, so =
again, a mobile service has a process to not leave all that behind.</p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>He also had a "rust inhibitor" he sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't =
get a quick flash rust overnight. &nbsp;Google that for details. I was abl=
e to paint over that no problem. &nbsp;I bought a gallon of black Rust-Ole=
um paint and repainted it myself and it's like a new trailer.</p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Good =
luck,</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Rye<br>PH: 530-FIND-RYE</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">=
<br>On April 23, 2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye=
@comcast.net" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dlhogye@comcast=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; =
margin-bottom: 5.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom:=
 5.0pt;"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt=
; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;">B=
ack in '08-'09, I had my TR3 body tub and frame blasted at a local powder =
coating company.&nbsp; $300 each.&nbsp; They blasted every square inch wit=
h crushed garnet.&nbsp; The tub was stripped of every bolt-on part.&nbsp; =
In two different visits, I set up both items on my makeshift engine stand =
rotisserie, with custom attachments, to make it a lot easier for them and =
the best outcome.&nbsp; Worth every penny and more.</span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helv=
etica',sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; f=
ont-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;">Skip this part if you=
 can and have a company do this work.&nbsp; You might even consider a mobi=
le unit come to you.&nbsp; Different media can be used depending on paint =
or rust.&nbsp; Special care has to be taken on body parts, not to warp the=
m, but if the person has a little finesse, any harm can be avoided.</span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; fo=
nt-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font=
-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;">The i=
mportant part of good blasting is high CFM from the compressor.&nbsp; If y=
ou don't have enough CFM, you'll be working way too hard for way too long.=
&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-=
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #3=
33333;">Dave H.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;" =
data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; =
color: #333333;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5=
.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-b=
ottom: 5.0pt;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">On April 23, 2020 at 8:25 PM Greg L=
emon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:grglm=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">I stripped a TR4 years ago over the course of I don't remember how many =
evenings after work, using several gallons of paint stripper bought at clo=
seout tool store, saying never again and wishing I had a sandblaster.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Be careful what you wish for I guess.</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">&nbsp;</p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Greg Lemon</p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">TR250</p></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, =
9:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-m=
ce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
/p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:53 PM Michael Porter &l=
t; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:mdporter@df=
n.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margi=
n-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; =
margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><p=
>Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (<em><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calib=
ri',sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">The=
 New Science of Strong Materials</span></em>) remark about production weld=
ing:&nbsp; "Welding is like Hell--fun for the first three or four hours."<=
/p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></blockquote><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There was a time when=
 I couldn't wait to learn how to run the cotton picker at work.&nbsp; It g=
ot old kind of quick...But it still beat a day in the office in front of t=
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I know that there are many TR list messages that don=E2=80=99t get into =
my mailbox, either. I usually receive the automated message about =
=E2=80=9Cmany bounced messages=E2=80=9D  once every two weeks or more =
often. I think it is at the Charter.net level rather than at the Outlook =
level. I enjoyed seeing the sandblasting discussion.

=20

Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Rye =
Livingston
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:53 PM
To: triumphs
Subject: [TR] Fwd: sandblasting

=20

I sent this at 8:38 am, but it never came back around to me, so I don't =
know if it went out to the list or not.  Sorry if it did.  This is the =
media my nephew used on my trailer.

=20

Rye

Begin forwarded message:

From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
Date: 4/24/2020
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] sandblasting

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OK, it's - COAL SLAG BLAST MEDIA

https://www.agsco.com/coal-slag/

=20

On April 24, 2020 at 8:04 AM, dave <[email-masked]> wrote:

That black media he used was likely ground up lava.  I have used that =
and its not as aggressive as sand.=20

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Rye =
Livingston
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs ([email-masked]) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] sandblasting

=20

My nephew started his own company of mobile power cleaning.  He bought =
this serious diesel powered professional duel axle trailer rig in Texas, =
and he could power clean with all kinds of media depending on the =
application, and he also had hot water blasting.  He did all kinds of =
jobs, from vintage cars, boats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations in =
San Francisco for both graffiti to human waste.  And if that wasn't =
gross enough, he said one of the worst was a Chinese restaurant that got =
sited and fined every day for grease oozing out of the cinder black and =
concrete enclosure for their dumpster.  One of his easiest jobs was my =
8' long utility trailer.

=20

In all those situations, a mobile service like his, they will capture =
and clean up the media and waste, big vacuum system. For that Chinese =
restaurant he put out dams to channel the water and goo and were =
vacuuming up all that grease and hot water, very gross. =20

=20

At my house he used an inert material, but it was not sand.  It was some =
sort of black material that looked like shards of coal.  I've texted him =
to find out what it was.

=20

As was mentioned, for the cars he blasted, he had a couple of "learning" =
cars that were not vintage.  The trick was to learn not to let the hood, =
or any long body panel, get hot and warp.  So check for references to =
make sure who you hire has that experience.  After he learned he did =
several cars including BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.

=20

When he did this work, he had a full helmet respirator setup, coveralls, =
gloves and boots.  No media got where he didn't want it, but he was a =
hot sweaty mess when he took that helmet off.

=20

I live in a cul-de-sac and he did the blasting down there, and there was =
just a little bit of media that was under the trailer that didn't get =
cleaned up, so again, a mobile service has a process to not leave all =
that behind.

=20

He also had a "rust inhibitor" he sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't =
get a quick flash rust overnight.  Google that for details. I was able =
to paint over that no problem.  I bought a gallon of black Rust-Oleum =
paint and repainted it myself and it's like a new trailer.

=20

Good luck,

=20

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On April 23, 2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]> wrote:

Back in '08-'09, I had my TR3 body tub and frame blasted at a local =
powder coating company.  $300 each.  They blasted every square inch with =
crushed garnet.  The tub was stripped of every bolt-on part.  In two =
different visits, I set up both items on my makeshift engine stand =
rotisserie, with custom attachments, to make it a lot easier for them =
and the best outcome.  Worth every penny and more.

Skip this part if you can and have a company do this work.  You might =
even consider a mobile unit come to you.  Different media can be used =
depending on paint or rust.  Special care has to be taken on body parts, =
not to warp them, but if the person has a little finesse, any harm can =
be avoided.

The important part of good blasting is high CFM from the compressor.  If =
you don't have enough CFM, you'll be working way too hard for way too =
long.=20

Dave H.

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On April 23, 2020 at 8:25 PM Greg Lemon <[email-masked]> wrote:

I stripped a TR4 years ago over the course of I don't remember how many =
evenings after work, using several gallons of paint stripper bought at =
closeout tool store, saying never again and wishing I had a sandblaster. =
=20

=20

Be careful what you wish for I guess.

=20

Greg Lemon

TR250

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 9:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough < [email-masked]> =
wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:53 PM Michael Porter < [email-masked]> =
wrote:

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Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (The New Science of Strong Materials) =
remark about production welding:  "Welding is like Hell--fun for the =
first three or four hours."

=20

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There was a time when I couldn't wait to learn how to run the cotton =
picker at work.  It got old kind of quick...But it still beat a day in =
the office in front of the computer.

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I know that =
there are many TR list messages that don=E2=80=99t get into my mailbox, =
either. I usually receive the automated message about =E2=80=9Cmany =
bounced messages=E2=80=9D =C2=A0once every two weeks or more often. I =
think it is at the Charter.net level rather than at the Outlook level. I =
enjoyed seeing the sandblasting discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Rye Livingston<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2020 4:53 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Fwd: =
sandblasting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I sent =
this at 8:38 am, but it never came back around to me, so I don't know if =
it went out to the list or not. &nbsp;Sorry if it did. &nbsp;This is the =
media my nephew used on my trailer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rye<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Begin forwarded =
message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From: =
</span></b>Rye Livingston &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Date: </span></b>4/24/2020<br><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>To: </span></b>dave =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b><span style=3D'color:black'>Cc: =
</span></b>'Triumphs' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Subject: </span>Re: [TR] =
sandblasting</b><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>OK, it's -&nbsp;COAL SLAG BLAST =
MEDIA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.agsco.com/coal-slag/">https://www.agsco.com/coal-slag=
/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On April 24, 2020 at 8:04 AM, dave =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That black =
media he used was likely ground up lava.&nbsp; I have used that and its =
not as aggressive as sand.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Rye Livingston<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVE HOGYE &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Triumphs ([email-masked]) =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
sandblasting<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My nephew =
started his own company of mobile power cleaning. &nbsp;He bought this =
serious diesel powered professional duel axle trailer rig in Texas, and =
he could power clean with all kinds of media depending on the =
application, and he also had hot water blasting. &nbsp;He did all kinds =
of jobs, from vintage cars, boats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations =
in San Francisco for both graffiti to human waste. &nbsp;And if that =
wasn't gross enough, he said one of the worst was a Chinese restaurant =
that got sited and fined every day for grease oozing out of the cinder =
black and concrete enclosure for their dumpster. &nbsp;One of his =
easiest jobs was my 8' long utility trailer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In all =
those situations, a mobile service&nbsp;like his, they will&nbsp;capture =
and clean up the&nbsp;media and waste, big vacuum system. For that =
Chinese restaurant he put out dams to channel the water and goo =
and&nbsp;were vacuuming up all that grease and hot water, very gross. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>At my house =
he used an inert material, but it was not sand. &nbsp;It was some sort =
of black material that looked like shards of coal. &nbsp;I've texted him =
to find out what it was.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As =
was&nbsp;mentioned, for the cars he blasted, he had a couple of =
&quot;learning&quot; cars that were not vintage. &nbsp;The trick was =
to&nbsp;learn not to let the hood, or any long body panel, get&nbsp;hot =
and warp. &nbsp;So check for references to make sure who you hire has =
that experience. &nbsp;After he learned he did several cars including =
BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>When he did =
this work, he had a full helmet respirator setup, coveralls, gloves and =
boots. &nbsp;No media got where he didn't want it, but he was a hot =
sweaty mess when he took that helmet off.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I live in a =
cul-de-sac and he did the blasting down there, and there was just a =
little bit of media that was under the trailer that didn't get cleaned =
up, so again, a mobile service has a process to not leave all that =
behind.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>He also had =
a &quot;rust inhibitor&quot; he sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't =
get a quick flash rust overnight. &nbsp;Google that for details. I was =
able to paint over that no problem. &nbsp;I bought a gallon of black =
Rust-Oleum paint and repainted it myself and it's like a new =
trailer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Good =
luck,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Rye<br>PH: =
530-FIND-RYE<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On April 23, =
2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Back in =
'08-'09, I had my TR3 body tub and frame blasted at a local powder =
coating company.&nbsp; $300 each.&nbsp; They blasted every square inch =
with crushed garnet.&nbsp; The tub was stripped of every bolt-on =
part.&nbsp; In two different visits, I set up both items on my makeshift =
engine stand rotisserie, with custom attachments, to make it a lot =
easier for them and the best outcome.&nbsp; Worth every penny and =
more.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Skip this =
part if you can and have a company do this work.&nbsp; You might even =
consider a mobile unit come to you.&nbsp; Different media can be used =
depending on paint or rust.&nbsp; Special care has to be taken on body =
parts, not to warp them, but if the person has a little finesse, any =
harm can be avoided.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>The =
important part of good blasting is high CFM from the compressor.&nbsp; =
If you don't have enough CFM, you'll be working way too hard for way too =
long.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Dave =
H.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On April 23, 2020 =
at 8:25 PM Greg Lemon &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I stripped =
a TR4 years ago over the course of I don't remember how many evenings =
after work, using several gallons of paint stripper bought at closeout =
tool store, saying never again and wishing I had a =
sandblaster.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Be careful =
what you wish for I guess.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Greg =
Lemon<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>TR250<o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Apr =
23, 2020, 9:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Apr =
23, 2020 at 8:53 PM Michael Porter &lt; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><p>Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (<em><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The New Science of Strong =
Materials</span></em>) remark about production welding:&nbsp; =
&quot;Welding is like Hell--fun for the first three or four =
hours.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There was a =
time when I couldn't wait to learn how to run the cotton picker at =
work.&nbsp; It got old kind of quick...But it still beat a day in the =
office in front of the computer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
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