Subject: Re: [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!

From: Peter Ryner <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 19:00:17 +0000

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Terry,

I always used McMaster for all my restoration needs. Their prices are 
really great. I do have lots of left over nuts and bolts but if you go 
to Lowes and do the unit pricing you may pay the same but not have any 
spares. And with other projects in the past, having fresh new nuts and 
bolts came in handy. I know this is not the answer you are looking for, 
just my experience.

I doubt any other on-line service allows what Lowes does, just order the 
number you need.

Bob

On 4/9/20 2:52 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
> It's a family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the 
> house for obvious reasons.  So instead of running to the hardware 
> store to pick up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm 
> having to look at what I can order online.
>
> My first thought was McMaster-Carr.  Found what I need, but I don't 
> need 25 3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.  What I need are four to eight 
> of various sizes and threads.
>
> Anybody have a preferred online source for quality-to-cost bolts?
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire
>
>
>
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    <p>Terry,</p>
    <p>I always used McMaster for all my restoration needs. Their prices
      are really great. I do have lots of left over nuts and bolts but
      if you go to Lowes and do the unit pricing you may pay the same
      but not have any spares. And with other projects in the past,
      having fresh new nuts and bolts came in handy. I know this is not
      the answer you are looking for, just my experience.</p>
    <p>I doubt any other on-line service allows what Lowes does, just
      order the number you need. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/9/20 2:52 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br>
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      <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> It's a family discussion
        whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house for obvious
        reasons.  So instead of running to the hardware store to pick up
        some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to
        look at what I can order online. </div>
      <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <br>
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      <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> My first thought was
        McMaster-Carr.  Found what I need, but I don't need 25 3/8ths
        bolts 1 1/4 inches long.  What I need are four to eight of
        various sizes and threads.   </div>
      <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> Anybody have a preferred
        online source for quality-to-cost bolts?     </div>
      <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <br>
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      <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A </div>
      <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> New Hampshire </div>
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I have always had great luck with the Nutty Company in Connecticut. =
(yeah, I know =E2=80=93 we=E2=80=99re nuts to live in CT.) They will =
sell you any quantity you want.

=20

https://www.nutty.com/

=20

Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
TERRY SMITH
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 2:53 PM
To: triumphs
Subject: [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!

=20

It's a family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house =
for obvious reasons.  So instead of running to the hardware store to =
pick up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to =
look at what I can order online.=20

=20

My first thought was McMaster-Carr.  Found what I need, but I don't need =
25 3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.  What I need are four to eight of =
various sizes and threads.  =20

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Anybody have a preferred online source for quality-to-cost bolts?    =20

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quantity you want.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>TERRY SMITH<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 09, 2020 2:53 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Bolts: This is =
nuts!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>It's a =
family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house for =
obvious reasons.&nbsp; So instead of running to the hardware store to =
pick up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to =
look at what I can order online. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>My first =
thought was McMaster-Carr.&nbsp; Found what I need, but I don't need 25 =
3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.&nbsp; What I need are four to eight of =
various sizes and threads.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Anybody =
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 15:29:49 -0400

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Terry ;

Ever tried J.L. Jack?

David

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 3:08 PM Bob <[email-masked]> wrote:

> really great. I do have lots of left over nuts and bolts but if you go to
> Lowes and do the unit pricing you may pay the same but not have any spares.
> And with other projects in the past, having fresh new nuts and bolts came
> in handy. I know this is not the answer you are looking for, just my
> experience.
>
> It's a family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house
> for obvious reasons.  So instead of running to the hardware store to pick
> up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to look at
> what I can order online.
>
> My first thought was McMaster-Carr.  Found what I need, but I don't need
> 25 3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.  What I need are four to eight of
> various sizes and threads.
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"auto">Terry ;<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Ever=
 tried J.L. Jack?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">David<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 3:08 PM Bob &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yellowtr@adelph=
ia.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">
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   =20
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    <p>Terry,</p>
    <p>I always used McMaster for all my restoration needs. Their prices
      are really great. I do have lots of left over nuts and bolts but
      if you go to Lowes and do the unit pricing you may pay the same
      but not have any spares. And with other projects in the past,
      having fresh new nuts and bolts came in handy. I know this is not
      the answer you are looking for, just my experience.</p>
    <p>I doubt any other on-line service allows what Lowes does, just
      order the number you need. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 4/9/20 2:52 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
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      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51)"> It&#39;s a family discussion
        whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house for obvious
        reasons.=C2=A0 So instead of running to the hardware store to pick =
up
        some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I&#39;m having to
        look at what I can order online. </div>
      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51)"> <br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51)"> My first thought was
        McMaster-Carr.=C2=A0 Found what I need, but I don&#39;t need 25 3/8=
ths
        bolts 1 1/4 inches long.=C2=A0 What I need are four to eight of
        various sizes and threads.=C2=A0=C2=A0 </div>
      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51)"> <br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51)"> Anybody have a preferred
        online source for quality-to-cost bolts?=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 </div>
      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51)"> <br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51)"> Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A </div>
      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51)"> New Hampshire </div>
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Thanks, everyone.  I checked out a number of online places and liked The Nutty Company.  As some of you recommended, buying in quantities larger than I needed was much cheaper than the per unit cost at the local hardware store.  

Terry

> On April 9, 2020 at 2:52 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>     It's a family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house for obvious reasons.  So instead of running to the hardware store to pick up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to look at what I can order online.
> 
>     My first thought was McMaster-Carr.  Found what I need, but I don't need 25 3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.  What I need are four to eight of various sizes and threads.  
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   Thanks, everyone.&nbsp; I checked out a number of online places and liked The Nutty Company.&nbsp; As some of you recommended, buying in quantities larger than I needed was much cheaper than the per unit cost at the local hardware store.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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    It's a family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house for obvious reasons.&nbsp; So instead of running to the hardware store to pick up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to look at what I can order online.
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    My first thought was McMaster-Carr.&nbsp; Found what I need, but I don't need 25 3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.&nbsp; What I need are four to eight of various sizes and threads.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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    Anybody have a preferred online source for quality-to-cost bolts?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;
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From: Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 14:07:44 -0600

On 4/9/20 1:54 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
> Thanks, everyone.  I checked out a number of online places and liked 
> The Nutty Company.  As some of you recommended, buying in quantities 
> larger than I needed was much cheaper than the per unit cost at the 
> local hardware store.
>
> Terry
>
Haven't purchased for a while, but as I recall a box of say, 100 3/8-24 
nylon lock nuts from a local fastener supply store was about the same 
price as two little plastic 4 count bags from the big box home 
improvement places.  I think I may have gotten lots of stuff from a 
place in California called Coast Fabrication or something, as well as 
Aircraft Spruce.

mjb.

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 and the quality of McMaster is so much more than the Chinese imports of th=
e local box stores
    On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 12:08:53 PM PDT, Bob <[email-masked]=
> wrote: =20
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Terry,
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I always used McMaster for all my restoration needs. Their prices are reall=
y great. I do have lots of left over nuts and bolts but if you go to Lowes =
and do the unit pricing you may pay the same but not have any spares. And w=
ith other projects in the past, having fresh new nuts and bolts came in han=
dy. I know this is not the answer you are looking for, just my experience.
=20
I doubt any other on-line service allows what Lowes does, just order the nu=
mber you need.=20
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=20
Bob
=20
 On 4/9/20 2:52 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
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=20
 It's a family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house fo=
r obvious reasons.=C2=A0 So instead of running to the hardware store to pic=
k up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to look at w=
hat I can order online.  =20
   My first thought was McMaster-Carr.=C2=A0 Found what I need, but I don't=
 need 25 3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.=C2=A0 What I need are four to eigh=
t of various sizes and threads.=C2=A0=C2=A0  =20
   Anybody have a preferred online source for quality-to-cost bolts?=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0=C2=A0  =20
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">and the quality of McMaster is so much more than the Chinese imports of the local box stores</div><div><br></div>
        
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    <p>Terry,</p>
    <p>I always used McMaster for all my restoration needs. Their prices
      are really great. I do have lots of left over nuts and bolts but
      if you go to Lowes and do the unit pricing you may pay the same
      but not have any spares. And with other projects in the past,
      having fresh new nuts and bolts came in handy. I know this is not
      the answer you are looking for, just my experience.</p>
    <p>I doubt any other on-line service allows what Lowes does, just
      order the number you need. <br clear="none">
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    <div class="ydpf0ffa496yiv4712379427yqt9313710082" id="ydpf0ffa496yiv4712379427yqtfd95379"><div class="ydpf0ffa496yiv4712379427moz-cite-prefix">On 4/9/20 2:52 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br clear="none">
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      </blockquote></div></div><div class="ydpf0ffa496yiv4712379427yqt9313710082" id="ydpf0ffa496yiv4712379427yqtfd73232"></div><div><div class="ydpf0ffa496yiv4712379427yqt9313710082" id="ydpf0ffa496yiv4712379427yqtfd48721"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"> It's a family discussion
        whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house for obvious
        reasons.&nbsp; So instead of running to the hardware store to pick up
        some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to
        look at what I can order online. </div>
      <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <br clear="none">
      </div>
      <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"> My first thought was
        McMaster-Carr.&nbsp; Found what I need, but I don't need 25 3/8ths
        bolts 1 1/4 inches long.&nbsp; What I need are four to eight of
        various sizes and threads.&nbsp;&nbsp; </div>
      <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <br clear="none">
      </div>
      <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"> Anybody have a preferred
        online source for quality-to-cost bolts?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </div>
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      <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A </div>
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Terry =E2=80=93 Here=E2=80=99s a question. What kind of a machine are =
you restoring? I have found that sometimes unusual hardware, such as =
metric carriage bolts, is relatively inexpensive from the machine =
dealer. I do mean sometimes! Other times, it seems like legalized =
extortion. For many years, I was always of the opinion that I would buy =
box quantities of whatever I needed since it was about 60% of the =
individual cost. Maybe not for things such as cylinder head bolts but =
for common 3/8=E2=80=9D x 4=E2=80=9D and other sizes that you might use =
for hay wagon construction and other farm construction was a no-brainer. =
An auction at an iron working shop 30 years ago (structural steel =
erection) provided me with about 1000 lbs. or more of =C2=BE, 7/8, 1, 1 =
=C2=BC, and 1 =C2=BD=E2=80=9D bolts of various lengths for $250 =
=E2=80=93 that was a steal. These days, I admit, I think twice before =
buying large quantities of fasteners. McMaster-Carr is very inexpensive =
for a lot of things. Special sized snap rings are about a tenth of the =
cost from Deere. O-rings are the same way. A package of 100 from =
McMaster costs about the same as a package of 10 from Motion Industries =
after you look at some of the crazy shipping prices.

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2 Triumphs

About 8 Deeres =E2=80=93 1939 =E2=80=93 2008

1 Case

1 Farmall

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=E2=80=93 Here=E2=80=99s a question. What kind of a machine are you =
restoring? I have found that sometimes unusual hardware, such as metric =
carriage bolts, is relatively inexpensive from the machine dealer. I do =
mean sometimes! Other times, it seems like legalized extortion. For many =
years, I was always of the opinion that I would buy box quantities of =
whatever I needed since it was about 60% of the individual cost. Maybe =
not for things such as cylinder head bolts but for common 3/8=E2=80=9D x =
4=E2=80=9D and other sizes that you might use for hay wagon construction =
and other farm construction was a no-brainer. An auction at an iron =
working shop 30 years ago (structural steel erection) provided me with =
about 1000 lbs. or more of =C2=BE, 7/8, 1, 1 =C2=BC, and 1 =
=C2=BD=E2=80=9D bolts of various lengths for $250 =E2=80=93 that was a =
steal. These days, I admit, I think twice before buying large quantities =
of fasteners. McMaster-Carr is very inexpensive for a lot of things. =
Special sized snap rings are about a tenth of the cost from Deere. =
O-rings are the same way. A package of 100 from McMaster costs about the =
same as a package of 10 from Motion Industries after you look at some of =
the crazy shipping prices.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Case<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>TERRY SMITH<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 09, 2020 2:53 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Bolts: This is =
nuts!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>It's a =
family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house for =
obvious reasons.&nbsp; So instead of running to the hardware store to =
pick up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to =
look at what I can order online. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>My first =
thought was McMaster-Carr.&nbsp; Found what I need, but I don't need 25 =
3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.&nbsp; What I need are four to eight of =
various sizes and threads.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Anybody =
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&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:14:55 -0400 (EDT)

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Ah, the tractor is a 1953 Ford Jubilee.  Chose it because, like the Triumph=
, most all parts are available after market, and those few that aren't are =
available used. The attached photo is after rebuilding the carb, engine and=
 transmission, re-assembling them all, sand blasting and applying the first=
 coat of paint (needed two) using the inexpensive but actually pretty terri=
fic Harbor Freight spray gun.  We have 38 acres here, about 25 of which we =
can't access because of a stream that intersects the property.  I can cross=
 it with a tractor, though.  Lots of firewood down out there. =20

And I thought the TR3 was simple to work on.... =20

> On April 10, 2020 at 8:28 AM Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]=
t> wrote:
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>=20
>     Terry =E2=80=93 Here=E2=80=99s a question. What kind of a machine are=
 you restoring? I have found that sometimes unusual hardware, such as metri=
c carriage bolts, is relatively inexpensive from the machine dealer. I do m=
ean sometimes! Other times, it seems like legalized extortion. For many yea=
rs, I was always of the opinion that I would buy box quantities of whatever=
 I needed since it was about 60% of the individual cost. Maybe not for thin=
gs such as cylinder head bolts but for common 3/8=E2=80=9D x 4=E2=80=9D and=
 other sizes that you might use for hay wagon construction and other farm c=
onstruction was a no-brainer. An auction at an iron working shop 30 years a=
go (structural steel erection) provided me with about 1000 lbs. or more of =
=C2=BE, 7/8, 1, 1 =C2=BC, and 1 =C2=BD=E2=80=9D bolts of various lengths fo=
r $250 =E2=80=93 that was a steal. These days, I admit, I think twice befor=
e buying large quantities of fasteners. McMaster-Carr is very inexpensive f=
or a lot of things. Special sized snap rings are about a tenth of the cost =
from Deere. O-rings are the same way. A package of 100 from McMaster costs =
about the same as a package of 10 from Motion Industries after you look at =
some of the crazy shipping prices.
TERRY SMITH
>     It's a family discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the hou=
se for obvious reasons.  So instead of running to the hardware store to pic=
k up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I'm having to look at w=
hat I can order online.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     My first thought was McMaster-Carr.  Found what I need, but I don't n=
eed 25 3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.  What I need are four to eight of va=
rious sizes and threads. =20
>=20
>     =20
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   Ah, the tractor is a 1953 Ford Jubilee.&nbsp; Chose it because, like the=
 Triumph, most all parts are available after market, and those few that are=
n't are available used. The attached photo is after rebuilding the carb, en=
gine and transmission, re-assembling them all, sand blasting and applying t=
he first coat of paint (needed two) using the inexpensive but actually pret=
ty terrific Harbor Freight spray gun.&nbsp; We have 38 acres here, about 25=
 of which we can't access because of a stream that intersects the property.=
&nbsp; I can cross it with a tractor, though.&nbsp; Lots of firewood down o=
ut there.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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   On April 10, 2020 at 8:28 AM Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;aljlthomson@ch=
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ri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Terry =E2=80=93 Here=E2=80=99s a questio=
n. What kind of a machine are you restoring? I have found that sometimes un=
usual hardware, such as metric carriage bolts, is relatively inexpensive fr=
om the machine dealer. I do mean sometimes! Other times, it seems like lega=
lized extortion. For many years, I was always of the opinion that I would b=
uy box quantities of whatever I needed since it was about 60% of the indivi=
dual cost. Maybe not for things such as cylinder head bolts but for common =
3/8=E2=80=9D x 4=E2=80=9D and other sizes that you might use for hay wagon =
construction and other farm construction was a no-brainer. An auction at an=
 iron working shop 30 years ago (structural steel erection) provided me wit=
h about 1000 lbs. or more of =C2=BE, 7/8, 1, 1 =C2=BC, and 1 =C2=BD=E2=80=
=9D bolts of various lengths for $250 =E2=80=93 that was a steal. These day=
s, I admit, I think twice before buying large quantities of fasteners. McMa=
ster-Carr is very inexpensive for a lot of things. Special sized snap rings=
 are about a tenth of the cost from Deere. O-rings are the same way. A pack=
age of 100 from McMaster costs about the same as a package of 10 from Motio=
n Industries after you look at some of the crazy shipping prices. </span></=
p>
    <p class=3D"ox-67bfb41f8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calib=
ri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> &nbsp; </span></p>
    <p class=3D"ox-67bfb41f8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calib=
ri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Alex Thomson </span></p>
    <p class=3D"ox-67bfb41f8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calib=
ri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">2 Triumphs </span></p>
    <p class=3D"ox-67bfb41f8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calib=
ri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">About 8 Deeres =E2=80=93 1939 =E2=80=93 =
2008 </span></p>
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ri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">1 Case </span></p>
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ri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">1 Farmall </span></p>
    <p class=3D"ox-67bfb41f8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calib=
ri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> &nbsp; </span></p>
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      <p class=3D"ox-67bfb41f8d-MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size=
: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Triumphs [=
mailto:[email-masked]] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>TERRY=
 SMITH<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, April 09, 2020 2:53 PM<br><stron=
g>To:</strong> triumphs<br><strong>Subject:</strong> [TR] Bolts: This is nu=
ts! </span></p>
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    <p class=3D"ox-67bfb41f8d-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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etica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">It's a family discussion whenever any=
one wants/needs to leave the house for obvious reasons.&nbsp; So instead of=
 running to the hardware store to pick up some grade 8 bolts for my tractor=
 restoration, I'm having to look at what I can order online. </span></p>
    </div>
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etica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &nbsp; </span></p>
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etica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">My first thought was McMaster-Carr.&n=
bsp; Found what I need, but I don't need 25 3/8ths bolts 1 1/4 inches long.=
&nbsp; What I need are four to eight of various sizes and threads.&nbsp;&nb=
sp; </span></p>
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etica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">Anybody have a preferred online sourc=
e for quality-to-cost bolts?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </span></p>
    </div>
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etica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">Terry Smith, '59 TR3A </span></p>
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I've actually got one of each (more or less).  Deere "styled" A I inherited
from my Mom

And an actual, made-in-Coventry Ferguson with the Standard engine  (Ignore
the stickers and colors, a bad previous restoration attempt)

On the nuts & bolts issue, I don't mind buying a box to get just a few.
Might never need another one, but sometimes I find a use.  And every trip to
the store I can save is a win as far as I'm concerned.  Especially since
it's over 30 miles from where the tractors are, to the nearest decent
hardware store. 

-- Randall

> I'm a two-cylinder John Deere fan, myself, and hope to own a
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Very nice! I spent many happy hours on my dairy farming ex-father-in-law's =
520 and 630, back in the day.  Simple machines and very reliable.

Mike

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
Albion Technical Services
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

Cell:  630-202-0065
Email:  [email-masked]

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 2:38 PM
To: 'triumphs' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!

I've actually got one of each (more or less).  Deere "styled" A I inherited=
 from my Mom

And an actual, made-in-Coventry Ferguson with the Standard engine  (Ignore =
the stickers and colors, a bad previous restoration attempt)

On the nuts & bolts issue, I don't mind buying a box to get just a few.  Mi=
ght never need another one, but sometimes I find a use.  And every trip to =
the store I can save is a win as far as I'm concerned.  Especially since it=
's over 30 miles from where the tractors are, to the nearest decent hardwar=
e store.

-- Randall

> 50 or a 520/530 one day, if SWMBO allows it.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Very nice! I spent many happy hours on my dairy farm=
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hines and very reliable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Albion Technical Services<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">W5918 Hackbarth Rd<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fort Atkinson, WI 53538<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:&nbsp; 630-202-0065<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email:&nbsp; [email-masked]<o:p></o:p></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Randall<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 10, 2020 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'triumphs' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!<o:p></o:p></p>
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">And an actual, made-in-Coventry Ferguson with the Standard engine&nbsp; (=
Ignore the stickers and colors, a bad previous restoration attempt)</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p><img width=3D"800" height=3D"524" style=3D"width:8.3333in;height:5.4583i=
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;but&nbsp;sometimes I find a use.&nbsp; And every trip to the store I
 can save is a win as far as I'm concerned.&nbsp; Especially since it's ove=
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<br>
-- Randall<br>
<br>
&gt; I&#8217;m a two-cylinder John Deere fan, myself, and hope to own a<br>
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:32:21 -0500

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Random comments on this topic.

1st, love the old tractors, like old Triumphs, honest, simple machinery.

2nd, our local Ace Hardware is offering curbside pickup too.  Might be
worth checking out

3rd, I have a lifetime's worth of amateur mechanic/handyman's worth of
fasteners, and even organized them better recently, still seem to always
have to run to the hardware store in the middle of a project.  Luckily for
me a couple options, both less than 2 miles away.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 2:50 PM Michael Marr <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Very nice! I spent many happy hours on my dairy farming ex-father-in-law=
=E2=80=99s
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Randall
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 2:38 PM
> *To:* 'triumphs' <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!
>
>
>
> I've actually got one of each (more or less).  Deere "styled" A I
> inherited from my Mom
>
>
> And an actual, made-in-Coventry Ferguson with the Standard engine  (Ignor=
e
> Might never need another one, but sometimes I find a use.  And every trip
> to the store I can save is a win as far as I'm concerned.  Especially sin=
ce
> > I=E2=80=99m a two-cylinder John Deere fan, myself, and hope to own a
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Random comments on this topic.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">1st, love the old tractors, like old Triumphs, honest, s=
imple machinery.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">2nd, ou=
r local Ace Hardware is offering curbside pickup too.=C2=A0 Might be worth =
checking out</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">3rd, I have=
 a lifetime&#39;s worth of amateur mechanic/handyman&#39;s worth of fastene=
rs, and even organized them better recently, still seem to always have to r=
un to the hardware store in the middle of a project.=C2=A0 Luckily for me a=
 couple options, both less than 2 miles away.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, =
Apr 10, 2020, 2:50 PM Michael Marr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mmarr@albiontechni=
cal.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"m_-5148249518437585822WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Very nice! I spent many happy hours on my dairy farm=
ing ex-father-in-law=E2=80=99s 520 and 630, back in the day.=C2=A0 Simple m=
achines and very reliable.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Albion Technical Services<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">W5918 Hackbarth Rd<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fort Atkinson, WI 53538<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:=C2=A0 630-202-0065<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:mmarr@albiontechnical=
.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-boun=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Randall<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 10, 2020 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> &#39;triumphs&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
">I&#39;ve actually got one of each (more or less).=C2=A0 Deere &quot;style=
d&quot; A I inherited from my Mom</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"><br>
<img width=3D"800" height=3D"504" style=3D"width:8.3333in;height:5.25in" id=
=3D"m_-5148249518437585822_x0000_i1025" src=3D"cid:[email-masked]=
3F5660"></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
">And an actual, made-in-Coventry Ferguson with the Standard engine=C2=A0 (=
Ignore the stickers and colors, a bad previous restoration attempt)</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p><img width=3D"800" height=3D"524" style=3D"width:8.3333in;height:5.4583i=
n" id=3D"m_-5148249518437585822_x0000_i1026" src=3D"cid:image002.jpg@01D60F=
47.543F5660"><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On the nuts &amp; bolts issue, I don&#39;=
t mind buying a box to get just a few.=C2=A0 Might never need another one,=
=C2=A0but=C2=A0sometimes I find a use.=C2=A0 And every trip to the store I
 can save is a win as far as I&#39;m concerned.=C2=A0 Especially since it&#=
39;s over 30 miles from where the tractors are, to the nearest decent hardw=
are store.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:blue">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"><u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"><br>
<br>
-- Randall<br>
<br>
&gt; I=E2=80=99m a two-cylinder John Deere fan, myself, and hope to own a<b=
r>
&gt; 50 or a 520/530 one day, if SWMBO allows it.<br>
&gt; </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:39:13 -0400

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The government research farm I worked at had a couple of 620s.  Sold them
on to a collector when we closed the location.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 3:22 PM Michael Marr <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m a two-cylinder John Deere fan, myself, and hope to own a 50 o=
r a
> 520/530 one day, if SWMBO allows it.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *TERRY
> SMITH
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 9:15 AM
> *To:* Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]>; triumphs <
> [email-masked]>
> Ah, the tractor is a 1953 Ford Jubilee.  Chose it because, like the
> Triumph, most all parts are available after market, and those few that
> aren't are available used. The attached photo is after rebuilding the car=
b,
> engine and transmission, re-assembling them all, sand blasting and applyi=
ng
> the first coat of paint (needed two) using the inexpensive but actually
> pretty terrific Harbor Freight spray gun.  We have 38 acres here, about 2=
5
> of which we can't access because of a stream that intersects the property=
.
> I can cross it with a tractor, though.  Lots of firewood down out there.
>
>
>
> And I thought the TR3 was simple to work on....
>
t>
> wrote:
>
> Terry =E2=80=93 Here=E2=80=99s a question. What kind of a machine are you=
 restoring? I
> have found that sometimes unusual hardware, such as metric carriage bolts=
,
> is relatively inexpensive from the machine dealer. I do mean sometimes!
> Other times, it seems like legalized extortion. For many years, I was
> always of the opinion that I would buy box quantities of whatever I neede=
d
> since it was about 60% of the individual cost. Maybe not for things such =
as
> cylinder head bolts but for common 3/8=E2=80=9D x 4=E2=80=9D and other si=
zes that you might
> use for hay wagon construction and other farm construction was a
> no-brainer. An auction at an iron working shop 30 years ago (structural
> steel erection) provided me with about 1000 lbs. or more of =C2=BE, 7/8, =
1, 1 =C2=BC,
> and 1 =C2=BD=E2=80=9D bolts of various lengths for $250 =E2=80=93 that wa=
s a steal. These days,
> I admit, I think twice before buying large quantities of fasteners.
> McMaster-Carr is very inexpensive for a lot of things. Special sized snap
> rings are about a tenth of the cost from Deere. O-rings are the same way.=
 A
> package of 100 from McMaster costs about the same as a package of 10 from
> Motion Industries after you look at some of the crazy shipping prices.
>
>
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> 2 Triumphs
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]
> <[email-masked]>] *On Behalf Of *TERRY SMITH
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* triumphs
> *Subject:* [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!
>
>
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The government research farm I worked at had a couple of 6=
20s.=C2=A0 Sold them on to a collector when we closed the location.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 3:22 PM Michael Marr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mm=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m a two-cylinder John Deere fan, myself, a=
nd hope to own a 50 or a 520/530 one day, if SWMBO allows it.<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Albion Technical Services<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">W5918 Hackbarth Rd<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fort Atkinson, WI 53538<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:=C2=A0 630-202-0065<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:mmarr@albiontechnical=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>TERRY SMITH<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 10, 2020 9:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@chart=
er.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Ah, the tractor is a 1953 Ford Jubilee.=C2=
=A0 Chose it because, like the Triumph, most all parts are available after =
market, and those few that aren&#39;t are available
 used. The attached photo is after rebuilding the carb, engine and transmis=
sion, re-assembling them all, sand blasting and applying the first coat of =
paint (needed two) using the inexpensive but actually pretty terrific Harbo=
r Freight spray gun.=C2=A0 We have 38
 acres here, about 25 of which we can&#39;t access because of a stream that=
 intersects the property.=C2=A0 I can cross it with a tractor, though.=C2=
=A0 Lots of firewood down out there.=C2=A0=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">And I thought the TR3 was simple to work on=
....=C2=A0=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On April 10, 2020 at 8:=
28 AM Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Terry =E2=80=93 Here=E2=80=99s a question. What =
kind of a machine are you restoring? I have found that sometimes unusual ha=
rdware, such as metric carriage bolts, is relatively inexpensive from the m=
achine dealer.
 I do mean sometimes! Other times, it seems like legalized extortion. For m=
any years, I was always of the opinion that I would buy box quantities of w=
hatever I needed since it was about 60% of the individual cost. Maybe not f=
or things such as cylinder head
 bolts but for common 3/8=E2=80=9D x 4=E2=80=9D and other sizes that you mi=
ght use for hay wagon construction and other farm construction was a no-bra=
iner. An auction at an iron working shop 30 years ago (structural steel ere=
ction) provided me with about 1000 lbs. or more
 of =C2=BE, 7/8, 1, 1 =C2=BC, and 1 =C2=BD=E2=80=9D bolts of various length=
s for $250 =E2=80=93 that was a steal. These days, I admit, I think twice b=
efore buying large quantities of fasteners. McMaster-Carr is very inexpensi=
ve for a lot of things. Special sized snap rings are about a tenth
 of the cost from Deere. O-rings are the same way. A package of 100 from Mc=
Master costs about the same as a package of 10 from Motion Industries after=
 you look at some of the crazy shipping prices.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0 </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Alex Thomson </span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">2 Triumphs </span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">About 8 Deeres =E2=80=93 1939 =E2=80=93 2008
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">1 Case </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">1 Farmall </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0 </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><strong><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></st=
rong><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Triumphs=
 [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mail=
to:[email-masked]</a>]
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">On Behalf Of </span><=
/strong>TERRY SMITH<br>
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong>=
 Thursday, April 09, 2020 2:53 PM<br>
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">To:</span></strong> t=
riumphs<br>
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Subject:</span></stro=
ng> [TR] Bolts: This is nuts!
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">It&#39;s a famil=
y discussion whenever anyone wants/needs to leave the house for obvious rea=
sons.=C2=A0 So instead of running to the hardware store to pick up some gra=
de
 8 bolts for my tractor restoration, I&#39;m having to look at what I can o=
rder online.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">=C2=A0
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">My first thought=
 was McMaster-Carr.=C2=A0 Found what I need, but I don&#39;t need 25 3/8ths=
 bolts 1 1/4 inches long.=C2=A0 What I need are four to eight of various si=
zes and
 threads.=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7008993643764797744ox-67bfb41f8d-msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">=C2=A0
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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