Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:05:30 -0400 (EDT)

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Hi, Keith.  My first guess is a sticking needle in the float valve which co=
uld be caused by slight corrosion.  JonMac suggests a light sanding of the =
fins.  Whhile you're in there might as well double check the setting for th=
e float lever despite it not likely to have changed.  You can use a 5/16ths=
 wood dowel.

Terry

> On June 12, 2019 at 9:45 PM Keith Richard Stewart <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
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>     When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the s=
econd turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car=
 for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did c=
atch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-t=
orque starter and had lots of =E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=9D. The rough running wa=
s like it was on two cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get =
it started, including some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger =
on to make sure the battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the=
 charger on the =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D setting with no luck. While looking=
 over the engine compartment for a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed =
substantial oil leak around the filter adapter. The location was such that =
it appeared the seeping was between the oil filter head and the adapter.
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>     Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would t=
ake care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and =
the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new fil=
ter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the =
oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later=
. The fuel pump was one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CMade in Italy=E2=80=9D pu=
mps. The additional start attempts since then have not produced any oil see=
ping out.
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>     Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I r=
emoved the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempt=
ed start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked =
OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I trie=
d both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to t=
he Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1=
, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spa=
rk right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly =E2=80=
=93 there were only three cylinders getting spark.
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>     I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. N=
o luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed,=
 car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the ca=
r will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again afte=
r several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during st=
arter engagement.
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>     I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections =
from the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure=
.
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>     All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery=
 connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections =
at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.
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>     I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are =
most welcome.
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>     Keith Stewart
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ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Hi, Keith.&#160; My first guess is a sti=
cking needle in the float valve which could be caused by slight corrosion.&=
#160; JonMac suggests a light sanding of the fins.&#160; Whhile you&#39;re =
in there might as well double check the setting for the float lever despite=
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pe=3D"cite">On June 12, 2019 at 9:45 PM Keith Richard Stewart &#60;keithste=
[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-WordSection1=
"><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">When I took the TR4 (1962) out of wi=
nter storage, it started on the second turn of the key. I drove home fine, =
no problems. I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend. When I went to s=
tart, it was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds befor=
e stalling. The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of &#8220;oomph=
&#8221;. The rough running was like it was on two cylinders or less. After =
several more attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spra=
y, I put the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully.=
 I attempted a start with the charger on the &#8220;start&#8221; setting wi=
th no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for a loose wire or b=
ad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the filter adapter. Th=
e location was such that it appeared the seeping was between the oil filter=
 head and the adapter.</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p=
 class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">Although not associated with the non-sta=
rt issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the =
seal between the adapter and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed th=
e filter, installed a new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was=
 a bit of fuel odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years a=
go so I will check that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF&#8217;s &#8220;=
Made in Italy&#8221; pumps. The additional start attempts since then have n=
ot produced any oil seeping out.</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">&#=
160;</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">Back to the start problem.&#16=
0; The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the flo=
at bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted start. The ignition is a Per=
tronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune=
 up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make su=
re the battery was getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new ba=
ttery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat=
 housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark right away and almost immedi=
ately the car started up. Ran roughly &#8211; there were only three cylinde=
rs getting spark.</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p clas=
s=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plu=
g, and tried to start. No luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, =
and #4. With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the=
 plug is back in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have n=
ot charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days) an=
d drops to 11v during starter engagement.</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoN=
ormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">I had a new coil on h=
and so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from the coil to ignition s=
witch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa6=
81d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">All plug lead=
s and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery connections are cl=
ean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at the starter sole=
noid and the starter are clean and secure.</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-Mso=
Normal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">I think that is ever=
ything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are most welcome.</p><p class=
=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-d320fa681d-MsoNormal"=
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Hey, Keith:

I think we are still in "information gathering mode" J

You say "there were only 3 cylinders getting spark", but then "I also had
spark on #2, #3, and #4", so it sounds like you do have a spark at all 4
plugs?  One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:  are they
wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?

Have you done a compression test?

My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but maybe
someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have a spark,
albeit insufficient to get the car to run.

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Keith
Richard Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the second
turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car for a
show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch and
ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-torque
starter and had lots of "oomph". The rough running was like it was on two
cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including
some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the
battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the
"start" setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for
a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the
filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was
between the oil filter head and the adapter.

Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take
care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and the
filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter
and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil.
I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later. The
fuel pump was one of TRF's "Made in Italy" pumps. The additional start
attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out.

Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed
the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted
start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK,
but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried
both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the
Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1,
grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark
right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly - there
were only three cylinders getting spark.

I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No luck.
Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car
starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car will
not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after
several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during
starter engagement.

I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from
the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.

All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery
connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at
the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.

I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are most
welcome.

Keith Stewart

[email-masked]

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'>Hey, Keith:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>I think we are still in =
&#8220;information gathering mode&#8221; </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>You say &#8220;there =
were only 3 cylinders getting spark&#8221;, but then &#8220;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4&#8221;, so it sounds =
like you do have a spark at all 4 plugs?&nbsp; One thing you do not =
mention is the state of the plugs:&nbsp; are they wet and fouled, =
suggesting flooding?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Have you done a compression test?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>My experience with Pertronix is =
when they fail there is no spark, but maybe someone else will chime in =
on whether a failure could still have a spark, albeit insufficient to =
get the car to run.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Jackson, Michigan</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Keith Richard Stewart<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 =
Won't Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it =
started on the second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I =
cleaned up the car for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it was =
hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before =
stalling. The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of =
&#8220;oomph&#8221;. The rough running was like it was on two cylinders =
or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including some =
starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the =
battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the =
&#8220;start&#8221; setting with no luck. While looking over the engine =
compartment for a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial =
oil leak around the filter adapter. The location was such that it =
appeared the seeping was between the oil filter head and the =
adapter.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured =
I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the =
adapter and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, =
installed a new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit =
of fuel odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago =
so I will check that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF&#8217;s =
&#8220;Made in Italy&#8221; pumps. The additional start attempts since =
then have not produced any oil seeping out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Back to the start problem.&nbsp; =
The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the =
float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted start. The ignition is =
a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare =
in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no =
luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the =
Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug =
#1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had =
a spark right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran =
roughly &#8211; there were only three cylinders getting =
spark.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried =
to start. No luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. =
With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug =
is back in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not =
charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days) =
and drops to 11v during starter engagement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>I had a new coil on hand so I tried =
it as well. No luck. Connections from the coil to ignition switch and =
coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>All plug leads and the distributor =
lead are clean and secure. Battery connections are clean and secure. =
Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at the starter solenoid and the =
starter are clean and secure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>I think that is everything I have =
tried to date. Any suggestions are most welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>Keith =
Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>[email-masked]<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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I checked for spark on all four plugs, one at a time. Each plug showed
spark. While the plug was out and being tested, the engine started each time
a plug was tested. The plugs were damp and smelled of gas. Have not checked
compression yet, but will do so.

Keith

From: Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]> 
Sent: June 13, 2019 8:58 AM
To: 'Keith Richard Stewart' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

Hey, Keith:

I think we are still in "information gathering mode" :)

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

Keith Stewart

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I checked =
for spark on all four plugs, one at a time. Each plug showed spark. =
While the plug was out and being tested, the engine started each time a =
plug was tested. The plugs were damp and smelled of gas. Have not =
checked compression yet, but will do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Andrew Uprichard =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> June 13, 2019 8:58 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Keith Richard Stewart' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] TR4 Won't =
Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Hey, =
Keith:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I think we =
are still in &#8220;information gathering mode&#8221; </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>You say =
&#8220;there were only 3 cylinders getting spark&#8221;, but then =
&#8220;</span>I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4&#8221;, so it sounds =
like you do have a spark at all 4 plugs?&nbsp; One thing you do not =
mention is the state of the plugs:&nbsp; are they wet and fouled, =
suggesting flooding?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Have you =
done a compression test?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My =
experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but maybe =
someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have a =
spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to run.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Andrew =
Uprichard<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jackson, Michigan<span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Triumphs [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Richard =
Stewart<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 Won't Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it =
started on the second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I =
cleaned up the car for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it was =
hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before =
stalling. The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of =
&#8220;oomph&#8221;. The rough running was like it was on two cylinders =
or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including some =
starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the =
battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the =
&#8220;start&#8221; setting with no luck. While looking over the engine =
compartment for a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial =
oil leak around the filter adapter. The location was such that it =
appeared the seeping was between the oil filter head and the =
adapter.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Although not associated with the non-start issue, I =
figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal =
between the adapter and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the =
filter, installed a new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there =
was a bit of fuel odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two =
years ago so I will check that later. The fuel pump was one of =
TRF&#8217;s &#8220;Made in Italy&#8221; pumps. The additional start =
attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping =
out.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Back to the start problem.&nbsp; The carbs are SU HS6, =
as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped =
out during an attempted start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I =
removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and =
a separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make sure the =
battery was getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new =
battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the =
thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark right away and =
almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly &#8211; there were =
only three cylinders getting spark.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I shut off =
the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No luck. Very =
baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car =
starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car =
will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again =
after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v =
during starter engagement.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had a new =
coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from the coil =
to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and =
secure.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and =
secure. Battery connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out =
12-14v. Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean =
and secure.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any =
suggestions are most welcome.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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Stewart<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p=
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From: "Keith Richard Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:09:46 -0400

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Thanks Terry. Will check.

=20

Keith

=20

From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: June 12, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Keith Richard Stewart <[email-masked]>; =
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

=20

Hi, Keith.  My first guess is a sticking needle in the float valve which =
could be caused by slight corrosion.  JonMac suggests a light sanding of =
the fins.  Whhile you're in there might as well double check the setting =
for the float lever despite it not likely to have changed.  You can use =
a 5/16ths wood dowel.

=20

Terry

On June 12, 2019 at 9:45 PM Keith Richard Stewart <[email-masked] =

When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the =
second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the =
car for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, =
did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter =
is a hi-torque starter and had lots of =E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=9D. The =
rough running was like it was on two cylinders or less. After several =
more attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spray, I =
put the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully. I =
attempted a start with the charger on the =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D =
setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for a =
loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the =
filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was =
between the oil filter head and the adapter.

=20

Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take =
care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and =
the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new =
filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor =
from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will =
check that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CMade =
in Italy=E2=80=9D pumps. The additional start attempts since then have =
not produced any oil seeping out.

=20

Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I =
removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an =
attempted start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, =
it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red =
rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make sure the battery was =
getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I =
had. No luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing =
bolt and tried a start. I had a spark right away and almost immediately =
the car started up. Ran roughly =E2=80=93 there were only three =
cylinders getting spark.

=20

I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No =
luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 =
removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back =
in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged =
it again after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops =
to 11v during starter engagement.

=20

I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections =
from the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and =
secure.

=20

All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery =
connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. =
Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and =
secure.

=20

=20

=20

Keith Stewart

=20

=20

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs =

http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]=20

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks =
Terry. Will check.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> TERRY SMITH =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> June 12, 2019 10:06 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Keith Richard Stewart &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't =
Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Hi, Keith.&nbsp; My first guess is a sticking needle in the float =
valve which could be caused by slight corrosion.&nbsp; JonMac suggests a =
light sanding of the fins.&nbsp; Whhile you're in there might as well =
double check the setting for the float lever despite it not likely to =
have changed.&nbsp; You can use a 5/16ths wood =
dowel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Terry<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On June 12, 2019 at 9:45 PM Keith Richard =
Stewart &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>When I =
took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the second turn =
of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car for a =
show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch =
and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a =
hi-torque starter and had lots of =E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=9D. The rough =
running was like it was on two cylinders or less. After several more =
attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spray, I put =
the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully. I =
attempted a start with the charger on the =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D =
setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for a =
loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the =
filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was =
between the oil filter head and the adapter.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>Although not associated with the =
non-start issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking =
it was the seal between the adapter and the filter head. I drained the =
oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter and filled with oil. It =
did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil. I did install a new =
fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later. The fuel pump was =
one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CMade in Italy=E2=80=9D pumps. The =
additional start attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping =
out.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>Back to the start problem.&nbsp; The =
carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the float =
bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted start. The ignition is a =
Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in =
a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck. =
To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I =
put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it =
on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark right =
away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly =E2=80=93 =
there were only three cylinders getting spark.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>I shut off the engine, replaced the =
spark plug, and tried to start. No luck. Very baffling. I also had spark =
on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 =
removed. Once the plug is back in, the car will not start. Voltage at =
rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after several start attempts =
over the past few days) and drops to 11v during starter =
engagement.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>I had a new coil on hand so I tried it =
as well. No luck. Connections from the coil to ignition switch and coil =
to Pertronix are clean and secure.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>All plug leads and the distributor lead =
are clean and secure. Battery connections are clean and secure. Battery =
putting out 12-14v. Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter =
are clean and secure.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>I think that is everything I have tried =
to date. Any suggestions are most welcome.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-d320fa681d-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not work =
well with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires.

From: Andrew Uprichard=20
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:57 AM
To: 'Keith Richard Stewart' ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

Hey, Keith:

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I think we are still in =E2=80=9Cinformation gathering mode=E2=80=9D J

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You say =E2=80=9Cthere were only 3 cylinders getting spark=E2=80=9D, but =
then =E2=80=9CI also had spark on #2, #3, and #4=E2=80=9D, so it sounds =
like you do have a spark at all 4 plugs?  One thing you do not mention =
is the state of the plugs:  are they wet and fouled, suggesting =
flooding?

=20

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My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but =
maybe someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have a =
spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to run.

=20

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Keith Richard Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

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<DIV>What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not =
work well=20
with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires.</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=[email-masked]>Andrew Uprichard</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]>'Keith Richard =
Stewart'</A> ; <A=20
title=[email-masked]>[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>Hey,=20
Keith:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>I think=20
we are still in =E2=80=9Cinformation gathering mode=E2=80=9D =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: wingdings">J</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>You say=20
=E2=80=9Cthere were only 3 cylinders getting spark=E2=80=9D, but then =
=E2=80=9C</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>I=20
also had spark on #2, #3, and #4=E2=80=9D, so it sounds like you do have =
a spark at all=20
4 plugs?&nbsp; One thing you do not mention is the state of the =
plugs:&nbsp; are=20
they wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>Have you done a compression=20
test?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>My experience with Pertronix is =
when they=20
fail there is no spark, but maybe someone else will chime in on whether =
a=20
failure could still have a spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to=20
run.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>Andrew =
Uprichard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>Jackson, Michigan</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Triumphs=20
[mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Keith =
Richard=20
Stewart<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> [TR] TR4 Won't=20
Start<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>When I took the TR4 (1962) out =
of winter=20
storage, it started on the second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no =

problems. I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend. When I went to =
start, it=20
was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before =
stalling.=20
The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of =
=E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=9D. The rough running=20
was like it was on two cylinders or less. After several more attempts to =
get it=20
started, including some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger =
on to=20
make sure the battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the =
charger on=20
the =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D setting with no luck. While looking over the =
engine compartment for=20
a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around =
the filter=20
adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between =
the oil=20
filter head and the adapter.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>Although not associated with the =
non-start=20
issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the =
seal=20
between the adapter and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the =
filter,=20
installed a new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit =
of fuel=20
odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will =
check=20
that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CMade in =
Italy=E2=80=9D pumps. The additional=20
start attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping=20
out.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>Back to the start problem.&nbsp; =
The carbs=20
are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the float bowl =
and gas=20
pumped out during an attempted start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When =
I=20
removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and =
a=20
separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make sure the =
battery was=20
getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I =
had. No=20
luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and =
tried a=20
start. I had a spark right away and almost immediately the car started =
up. Ran=20
roughly =E2=80=93 there were only three cylinders getting =
spark.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>I shut off the engine, replaced =
the spark=20
plug, and tried to start. No luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on =
#2, #3,=20
and #4. With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once =
the plug=20
is back in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not =
charged=20
it again after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops =
to 11v=20
during starter engagement.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>I had a new coil on hand so I =
tried it as=20
well. No luck. Connections from the coil to ignition switch and coil to=20
Pertronix are clean and secure.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>All plug leads and the =
distributor lead are=20
clean and secure. Battery connections are clean and secure. Battery =
putting out=20
12-14v. Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean =
and=20
secure.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA>I think that is everything I =
have tried to=20
date. Any suggestions are most welcome.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-CA style=3D"mso-fareast-language: =
en-ca">Keith=20
Stewart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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I will have to check the wire. They have been on the car, with the =
Pertronix, for three or four years without problem. The most confusing =
point to me is that the car will actually start with only three plugs =
but only if one plug is removed. If only the wire is removed from the =
plug, it still will not start.

=20

BTW, I put in new NGK plugs, but got the same results.

=20

Keith

=20

From: Jerry Van Vlack <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: June 13, 2019 9:12 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]>; 'Keith Richard Stewart' =
<[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

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What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not work =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I will have =
to check the wire. They have been on the car, with the Pertronix, for =
three or four years without problem. The most confusing point to me is =
that the car will actually start with only three plugs but only if one =
plug is removed. If only the wire is removed from the plug, it still =
will not start.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>BTW, I put =
in new NGK plugs, but got the same results.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Jerry Van Vlack =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> June 13, 2019 9:12 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
'Keith Richard Stewart' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't =
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:08:49 -0700

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When my car started running very poorly, I assumed that if it was the
Pertronix, it wouldn't run at all. Poor assumption. The magnets in the
collar went all askew, so it was sparking but at all the wrong times. I
don't know if that's the situation here, but I think the next thing I would
do is replace the Pertronix with points. Even if that doesn't solve the
problem, at least you can static time it and get a baseline. Next I would
look for a vacuum leak.

Bob

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Andrew
Uprichard
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 5:58 AM
To: 'Keith Richard Stewart'; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

Hey, Keith:

Andrew Uprichard

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>When my car started =
running very poorly, I assumed that if it was the Pertronix, it =
wouldn&#8217;t run at all. Poor assumption. The magnets in the collar =
went all askew, so it was sparking but at all the wrong times. I =
don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s the situation here, but I think the =
next thing I would do is replace the Pertronix with points. Even if that =
doesn&#8217;t solve the problem, at least you can static time it and get =
a baseline. Next I would look for a vacuum leak.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2019 5:58 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Keith Richard Stewart'; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't =
Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Hey, =
Keith:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>I think we are still in =
&#8220;information gathering mode&#8221; </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>You say &#8220;there =
were only 3 cylinders getting spark&#8221;, but then &#8220;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4&#8221;, so it sounds =
like you do have a spark at all 4 plugs?&nbsp; One thing you do not =
mention is the state of the plugs:&nbsp; are they wet and fouled, =
suggesting flooding?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>My experience with Pertronix is =
when they fail there is no spark, but maybe someone else will chime in =
on whether a failure could still have a spark, albeit insufficient to =
get the car to run.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From: "Keith Richard Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:53:35 -0400

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Thanks Terry. Will check. As I said before, it is very strange that the =
car starts so readily when one plug is removed.

=20

Keith

=20

From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: June 13, 2019 12:35 PM
To: Keith Richard Stewart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

=20

You've tested spark and are getting it, so doubt it's the Pertonix.  You =
smell gas so you're likely getting flooding.  One way to test is to take =
off the air cleaners, crank the engine and watch the jet needles for any =
gas pooling at the base of the needle.  If so, your needle is stuck =
open, letting gas pour in and flooding the engine.  A vacuum leak, on =
the other hand, would prevent the carbs from sucking gas into the =
engine, causing it to run too lean.  Same sympton, but you wouldn't =
smell gas.

=20

Just my two cents, and good luck!

=20

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Terry. Will check. As I said before, it is very strange that the car =
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&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> June 13, 2019 12:35 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Keith Richard Stewart =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't =
Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><span =
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3'>You've tested spark and are getting it, so doubt it's the =
Pertonix.&nbsp; You smell gas so you're likely getting flooding.&nbsp; =
One way to test is to take off the air cleaners, crank the engine and =
watch the jet needles for any gas pooling at the base of the =
needle.&nbsp; If so, your needle is stuck open, letting gas pour in and =
flooding the engine.&nbsp; A vacuum leak, on the other hand, would =
prevent the carbs from sucking gas into the engine, causing it to run =
too lean.&nbsp; Same sympton, but you wouldn't smell =
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While at the same time, the stock TR4 distributor cap does not work well wi=
th "carbon core" wires=2E
-- Randall

On 13 June 2019 07:11:44 GMT-06:00, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv@roadrunner=2E=
com> wrote:
>What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not work
>well with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires=2E
>
>To: 'Keith Richard Stewart' ; triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet=20
then =E2=80=9CI also
>had spark on #2, #3, and #4=E2=80=9D, so it sounds like you do have a spa=
rk at
>all 4 plugs?  One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:=20
>are they wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?
>
>=20
>
>My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but
>maybe someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have
>a spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to run=2E
>
>=20
>
>Andrew Uprichard
>
>Jackson, Michigan
>
>=20
>
>From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet] On Behalf Of
>Keith Richard Stewart
>To: triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet
>When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the
>second turn of the key=2E I drove home fine, no problems=2E I cleaned up
>the car for a show last weekend=2E When I went to start, it was hard
>starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling=2E
>The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of =E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=
=9D=2E The rough
>running was like it was on two cylinders or less=2E After several more
>attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spray, I put
>the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully=2E I
>attempted a start with the charger on the =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D setting=
 with no luck=2E
>While looking over the engine compartment for a loose wire or bad
>connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the filter adapter=2E
>The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between the oil
>filter head and the adapter=2E
>
>=20
>
>Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would
>take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter
>and the filter head=2E I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a
>new filter and filled with oil=2E It did seem there was a bit of fuel
>odor from the oil=2E I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I
>will check that later=2E The fuel pump was one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9C=
Made in Italy=E2=80=9D
>pumps=2E The additional start attempts since then have not produced any
>oil seeping out=2E
>
>=20
>
>Back to the start problem=2E  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A=2E I
>removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an
>attempted start=2E The ignition is a Pertronix=2E When I removed the roto=
r,
>it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red
>rotor, so I tried both with no luck=2E To make sure the battery was
>getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I
>had=2E No luck=2E I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housin=
g
>bolt and tried a start=2E I had a spark right away and almost immediately
>the car started up=2E Ran roughly =E2=80=93 there were only three cylinde=
rs
>getting spark=2E
>
>=20
>
>I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start=2E No
>luck=2E Very baffling=2E I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4=2E With #2
>removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed=2E Once the plug is
>back in, the car will not start=2E Voltage at rest is 12=2E75v (have not
>charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days)
>and drops to 11v during starter engagement=2E
>
>=20
>
>I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well=2E No luck=2E Connections
>from the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and
>secure=2E
>
>=20
>
>All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure=2E Battery
>connections are clean and secure=2E Battery putting out 12-14v=2E
>Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and
>secure=2E
>
>=20
>
>I think that is everything I have tried to date=2E Any suggestions are
>most welcome=2E
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>Keith Stewart
>
>keithstewart@bell=2Enet
>
>=20
>
>
>
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<body lang=3D"EN-US" dir=3D"ltr" vlink=3D"#954f72" link=3D"#0563c1">While =
at the same time, the stock TR4 distributor cap does not work well with "ca=
rbon core" wires=2E<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 13 J=
une 2019 07:11:44 GMT-06:00, Jerry Van Vlack &lt;jerryvv@roadrunner=2Ecom&g=
t; wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<div>What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not wor=
k well=20
with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires=2E</div>
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<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"auprichard@upric=
hard=2Enet">Andrew Uprichard</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:57 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"keithstewart@bell=2Enet">'Keith Richard Stewar=
t'</a> ; <a title=3D"triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet">triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2En=
et</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start</div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Hey,=20
Keith:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I think=20
we are still in =E2=80=9Cinformation gathering mode=E2=80=9D </span><span =
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: wingdings">J</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: &quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,&quot;serif&quot;">You say=20
=E2=80=9Cthere were only 3 cylinders getting spark=E2=80=9D, but then =E2=
=80=9C</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I=20
also had spark on #2, #3, and #4=E2=80=9D, so it sounds like you do have a=
 spark at all=20
4 plugs?&nbsp; One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:&nbs=
p; are=20
they wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Have you done a compression=20
test?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">My experience with Pertronix i=
s when they=20
fail there is no spark, but maybe someone else will chime in on whether a=
=20
failure could still have a spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to=20
run=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Jackson, Michigan</span><span =
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,&quot;serif&quot;; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: &qu=
ot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Trium=
phs=20
[mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Ric=
hard=20
Stewart<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM<br><b>To:</b>=20
triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 Won't=20
Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">When I took the TR4 (1962) out=
 of winter=20
storage, it started on the second turn of the key=2E I drove home fine, no=
=20
problems=2E I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend=2E When I went to=
 start, it=20
was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalli=
ng=2E=20
The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of =E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=9D=
=2E The rough running=20
was like it was on two cylinders or less=2E After several more attempts to=
 get it=20
started, including some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on=
 to=20
make sure the battery was charged fully=2E I attempted a start with the ch=
arger on=20
the =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D setting with no luck=2E While looking over the=
 engine compartment for=20
a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the =
filter=20
adapter=2E The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between =
the oil=20
filter head and the adapter=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Although not associated with t=
he non-start=20
issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the se=
al=20
between the adapter and the filter head=2E I drained the oil, removed the =
filter,=20
installed a new filter and filled with oil=2E It did seem there was a bit =
of fuel=20
odor from the oil=2E I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will=
 check=20
that later=2E The fuel pump was one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CMade in Ital=
y=E2=80=9D pumps=2E The additional=20
start attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping=20
out=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Back to the start problem=2E&n=
bsp; The carbs=20
are SU HS6, as on the TR4A=2E I removed the fuel line at the float bowl an=
d gas=20
pumped out during an attempted start=2E The ignition is a Pertronix=2E Whe=
n I=20
removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a=
=20
separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck=2E To make sure the batt=
ery was=20
getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had=
=2E No=20
luck=2E I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and =
tried a=20
start=2E I had a spark right away and almost immediately the car started u=
p=2E Ran=20
roughly =E2=80=93 there were only three cylinders getting spark=2E<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I shut off the engine, replace=
d the spark=20
plug, and tried to start=2E No luck=2E Very baffling=2E I also had spark o=
n #2, #3,=20
and #4=2E With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed=2E Onc=
e the plug=20
is back in, the car will not start=2E Voltage at rest is 12=2E75v (have no=
t charged=20
it again after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to=
 11v=20
during starter engagement=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I had a new coil on hand so I =
tried it as=20
well=2E No luck=2E Connections from the coil to ignition switch and coil t=
o=20
Pertronix are clean and secure=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">All plug leads and the distrib=
utor lead are=20
clean and secure=2E Battery connections are clean and secure=2E Battery pu=
tting out=20
12-14v=2E Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean an=
d=20
secure=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I think that is everything I h=
ave tried to=20
date=2E Any suggestions are most welcome=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:=
 en-ca">Keith=20
Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:=
 en-ca">keithstewart@bell=2Enet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span>&nbsp;</p></=
div>
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Its weird, it sounds ignition related, and you have a Pertronix=2E
That would certainly be enough for me!
On top of that, you've already replaced the coil and rotor=2E

Assuming you kept the old parts, it only takes a couple of minutes to swap=
 out the Pertronix=2E I'll bet it at least changes the symptoms to somethin=
g that makes more sense!

Also, check the resistance of each plug wire and the coil high tension lea=
d, from the terminal inside the distributor cap to the end of the wire=2E=
=20

Take the point plate ground lead loose from the distributor body, and chec=
k its resistance to the point plate, while moving and tugging gently on the=
 wire=2E It rarely fails, but they can go intermittent without being visibl=
y bad=2E And yes, the Pertronix module relies on a good ground through the =
point plate and that wire=2E
-- Randall

On 12 June 2019 19:45:44 GMT-06:00, Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart@be=
ll=2Enet> wrote:
>second
>turn of the key=2E I drove home fine, no problems=2E I cleaned up the car
>for a
>show last weekend=2E When I went to start, it was hard starting, did
>catch and
>ran rough for a few seconds before stalling=2E The starter is a hi-torque
>starter and had lots of "oomph"=2E The rough running was like it was on
>two
>cylinders or less=2E After several more attempts to get it started,
>including
>battery was charged fully=2E I attempted a start with the charger on the
>"start" setting with no luck=2E While looking over the engine compartment
>for
>filter adapter=2E The location was such that it appeared the seeping was
>between the oil filter head and the adapter=2E
>
>=20
>
>take
>filter head=2E I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new
>filter
>and filled with oil=2E It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the
>oil=2E
>I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later=2E
>The
>fuel pump was one of TRF's "Made in Italy" pumps=2E The additional start
>attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out=2E
>
>=20
>
>removed
>start=2E The ignition is a Pertronix=2E When I removed the rotor, it look=
ed
>OK,
>both with no luck=2E To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to
>the
>Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had=2E No luck=2E I removed plug
>#1,
>grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start=2E I had a
>spark
>right away and almost immediately the car started up=2E Ran roughly -
>there
>were only three cylinders getting spark=2E
>
>=20
>
>luck=2E
>Very baffling=2E I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4=2E With #2 removed, c=
ar
>starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed=2E Once the plug is back in, the car
>will
>not start=2E Voltage at rest is 12=2E75v (have not charged it again after
>starter engagement=2E
>from
>the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure=2E
>
>=20
>
>Connections at
>the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure=2E
>
>=20
>
>most
>welcome=2E

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3C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">Its weird, it sounds ignition related, and you have =
a Pertronix=2E<br>That would certainly be enough for me!<br>On top of that,=
 you've already replaced the coil and rotor=2E<br><br>Assuming you kept the=
 old parts, it only takes a couple of minutes to swap out the Pertronix=2E =
I'll bet it at least changes the symptoms to something that makes more sens=
e!<br><br>Also, check the resistance of each plug wire and the coil high te=
nsion lead, from the terminal inside the distributor cap to the end of the =
wire=2E <br><br>Take the point plate ground lead loose from the distributor=
 body, and check its resistance to the point plate, while moving and tuggin=
g gently on the wire=2E It rarely fails, but they can go intermittent witho=
ut being visibly bad=2E And yes, the Pertronix module relies on a good grou=
nd through the point plate and that wire=2E<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On 12 June 2019 19:45:44 GMT-06:00, Keith Richard Stewart =
&lt;keithstewart@bell=2Enet&gt; wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
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<div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">When I took the TR4 (19=
62) out of winter storage, it started on the second turn of the key=2E I dr=
ove home fine, no problems=2E I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend=
=2E When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for=
 a few seconds before stalling=2E The starter is a hi-torque starter and ha=
d lots of =E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=9D=2E The rough running was like it was on t=
wo cylinders or less=2E After several more attempts to get it started, incl=
uding some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure =
the battery was charged fully=2E I attempted a start with the charger on th=
e =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D setting with no luck=2E While looking over the en=
gine compartment for a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial =
oil leak around the filter adapter=2E The location was such that it appeare=
d the seeping was between the oil filter head and the adapter=2E<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alth=
ough not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take care o=
f the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and the filter=
 head=2E I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter and =
filled with oil=2E It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil=2E=
 I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later=2E =
The fuel pump was one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CMade in Italy=E2=80=9D pump=
s=2E The additional start attempts since then have not produced any oil see=
ping out=2E<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Back to the start problem=2E&nbsp; The carbs are SU HS6, =
as on the TR4A=2E I removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped =
out during an attempted start=2E The ignition is a Pertronix=2E When I remo=
ved the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separ=
ate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck=2E To make sure the battery wa=
s getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had=
=2E No luck=2E I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bol=
t and tried a start=2E I had a spark right away and almost immediately the =
car started up=2E Ran roughly =E2=80=93 there were only three cylinders get=
ting spark=2E<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tri=
ed to start=2E No luck=2E Very baffling=2E I also had spark on #2, #3, and =
#4=2E With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed=2E Once the=
 plug is back in, the car will not start=2E Voltage at rest is 12=2E75v (ha=
ve not charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days=
) and drops to 11v during starter engagement=2E<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had a new coil on h=
and so I tried it as well=2E No luck=2E Connections from the coil to igniti=
on switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure=2E<o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">All plug lead=
s and the distributor lead are clean and secure=2E Battery connections are =
clean and secure=2E Battery putting out 12-14v=2E Connections at the starte=
r solenoid and the starter are clean and secure=2E<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think that is =
everything I have tried to date=2E Any suggestions are most welcome=2E<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
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an style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">keithstewart@bell=2Enet<o:p></o:p><=
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From: "Keith Richard Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:51:06 -0400

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Thanks Randall. Will try some of those tomorrow.

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Keith

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From: Randall <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: June 13, 2019 4:47 PM
To: [email-masked]; Keith Richard Stewart =
<[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

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Its weird, it sounds ignition related, and you have a Pertronix.
That would certainly be enough for me!
On top of that, you've already replaced the coil and rotor.

Assuming you kept the old parts, it only takes a couple of minutes to =
swap out the Pertronix. I'll bet it at least changes the symptoms to =
something that makes more sense!

Also, check the resistance of each plug wire and the coil high tension =
lead, from the terminal inside the distributor cap to the end of the =
wire.=20

Take the point plate ground lead loose from the distributor body, and =
check its resistance to the point plate, while moving and tugging gently =
on the wire. It rarely fails, but they can go intermittent without being =
visibly bad. And yes, the Pertronix module relies on a good ground =
through the point plate and that wire.
-- Randall

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class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Randall. Will try some of those =
tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Keith<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> June 13, 2019 4:47 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; Keith Richard Stewart =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't =
Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>Its weird, it sounds ignition =
related, and you have a Pertronix.<br>That would certainly be enough for =
me!<br>On top of that, you've already replaced the coil and =
rotor.<br><br>Assuming you kept the old parts, it only takes a couple of =
minutes to swap out the Pertronix. I'll bet it at least changes the =
symptoms to something that makes more sense!<br><br>Also, check the =
resistance of each plug wire and the coil high tension lead, from the =
terminal inside the distributor cap to the end of the wire. <br><br>Take =
the point plate ground lead loose from the distributor body, and check =
its resistance to the point plate, while moving and tugging gently on =
the wire. It rarely fails, but they can go intermittent without being =
visibly bad. And yes, the Pertronix module relies on a good ground =
through the point plate and that wire.<br>-- =
Randall<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><blockquote =
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