Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes

From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 17:03:59 -0400 (EDT)

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My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next. 

Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. 

Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two. 

Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three. 

Gadfrey. 

Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier. 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire

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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans=
-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">My wife had an old college roommate over f=
or lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 a=
nd a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.&#160; I should say four hours and =
twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost al=
l power.&#160; No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.&#160; Just total power o=
ne minute, complete shutdown the next.&#160; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><b=
r></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif;=
 color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Towed it home with the loader, got it in the gara=
ge and went to work testing.&#160; No spark out of the plugs.&#160; Good sp=
ark out of the coil.&#160; Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engin=
e started and car ran fine.&#160; I think I&#39;m done with electronic igni=
tions.&#160; I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch =
idiocy to which I am prone.&#160; Fluke number one.&#160; <br></p><p style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51=
, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,ari=
al,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Next I ran it up to temperature at =
high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was over=
heating.&#160; There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.&#160; Oi=
l pressure is steady and good.&#160; Tested this twice, so I&#39;ve either =
got a water pump or thermostat problem.&#160; Fluke number two.&#160; </p><=
p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:=
 rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Happen to have a new spare w=
ater pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump whil=
e the coolant was already drained.&#160;&#160; I got under the car to unscr=
ew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.&#160; Got the plug out,=
 then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing cam=
e out with it.&#160; Apparently it&#39;s like a plug within a plug, one thr=
eaded, the other weakly soldered it in.&#160; This is one of the new radiat=
ors from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.&#160; <br></p><p style=3D"fo=
nt-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, =
51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,san=
s-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Gadfrey.&#160; <br></p><p style=3D"font-s=
ize: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);=
"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-se=
rif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Spent today pulling the valence and the radia=
tor.&#160; I&#39;ll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing=
 brazed in instead of soldered.&#160; At least getting at the water pump is=
 going to be easier.&#160; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family=
: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"=
font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51=
, 51);">Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A&#160; TS 58667<br></p><p style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"=
>New Hampshire<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,a=
rial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12=
pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br><=
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<html><body><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana; color:#000; font-size:10pt;=
"><div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;I had a drive ruined by a pertronics faili=
ng.&nbsp;first one, then two of the magnets fell out.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</=
div>=0A<div>but I always carry a full distributor, with points, rotor, cap,=
 and labeled wires, ready to drop in, already timing set.&nbsp; this was on=
 the tr4, which I've only had for about 5 years.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=
=0A<div>for those of you who are sunday drivers, I can understand it.&nbsp;=
 but we get better performance out of the pertronix.&nbsp; my son seriously=
 autocrosses the TR6, and has trophies to prove it.&nbsp; have had that car=
 since 2001, and a pertronix for most of those years.&nbsp; never a problem=
.&nbsp; the failures are few and far between, but if it happens on your car=
 its 100%!</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>love the pertronix, but have a =
backup.</div>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE id=3DreplyBlockquote style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
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-- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: [TR] A flood of flukes<BR>From=
: "<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>" &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<BR>Date: Tue, June 25, 2=
019 7:30 pm<BR>To: TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<BR>Cc: triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@a=
utox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<BR><BR>Ouch, at least you ha=
d a nice 4+ hour drive. &nbsp; Not a fan of electronic ignition, just call =
me an old pointy head.&nbsp;=0A<DIV>Bill</DIV>=0A<DIV>tS30800L<BR><BR>=0A<D=
IV id=3DAppleMailSignature dir=3Dltr>Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X</DIV>=0A<DI=
V dir=3Dltr><BR>On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH &lt;<A href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt; wrote:=
<BR><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV dir=3Dltr>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)">My wife had an old co=
llege roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made mys=
elf scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.&nbsp; I shoul=
d say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from=
 home the car lost all power.&nbsp; No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.&nbs=
p; Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next.&nbsp; <BR></div=
>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif;=
 COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAM=
ILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)">Towed it home with t=
he loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.&nbsp; No spark ou=
t of the plugs.&nbsp; Good spark out of the coil.&nbsp; Swapped the Pertron=
ix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.&nbsp; I think I'm =
done with electronic ignitions.&nbsp; I very likely killed the thing leavin=
g the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.&nbsp; Fluke number one=
.&nbsp; <BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,=
arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)">Nex=
t I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one =
last time, I noticed it was overheating.&nbsp; There are no knocks, rattles=
 or grindings going on.&nbsp; Oil pressure is steady and good.&nbsp; Tested=
 this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.&nbsp; F=
luke number two.&nbsp; </div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
 helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><BR></div>=0A<div style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51=
,51,51)">Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to repl=
ace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.&nbs=
p;&nbsp; I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let t=
he water out.&nbsp; Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug c=
ame out, but the threaded housing came out with it.&nbsp; Apparently it's l=
ike a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.&nb=
sp; This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number th=
ree.&nbsp; <BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helveti=
ca,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-=
SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)">=
Gadfrey.&nbsp; <BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: hel=
vetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"F=
ONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,5=
1)">Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.&nbsp; I'll take it to=
 some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered=
.&nbsp; At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.&nbsp; <BR=
></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,arial,sans-=
serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FO=
NT-FAMILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)">Terry Smith, '=
59 TR3A&nbsp; TS 58667<BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)">New Hampshire<BR></di=
v>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif=
; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><BR></div>=0A<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><BR></div></DIV>=0A=
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