Subject: Re: [TR] oil

From: "wbeech" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:43:44 -0500

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Last I bought from Amazon was 23.99 for a case of 6, $3.99ea, bought two
cases and some other doodad to get the free shipping.  That was April, now I
don't see anything less than $34 for a case.  Still better than $6.50 at the
local FLAPS in our town.   Then there's the guy that wants $14.37 for 1
quart!!!

Bill

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 4:19 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] oil

I've been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and
it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.  It has
zddp.

Now its 1 to 2 months.

However - Advanced Auto Parts -
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthet
ic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synt
hetic

With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.  You can
buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it's a 6 pack), and it's a couple
pennies cheaper!!!

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Last I bought from =
Amazon was 23.99 for a case of 6, $3.99ea, bought two cases and some =
other doodad to get the free shipping.&nbsp; That was April, now I =
don&#8217;t see anything less than $34 for a case.&nbsp; Still better =
than $6.50 at the local FLAPS in our town.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then =
there&#8217;s the guy that wants $14.37 for 1 =
quart!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>dave<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 17, 2019 4:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] =
oil<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I&#8217;ve =
been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and it =
used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.&nbsp; =
It has zddp.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Now its 1 to 2 months.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>However =
&#8211; Advanced Auto Parts - <a =
href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-f=
ull-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=3Dvalvoline+=
20w-50+full+synthetic">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-=
racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTe=
rm=3Dvalvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>With free =
shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.&nbsp; You can =
buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it&#8217;s a 6 pack), and =
it&#8217;s a couple pennies cheaper!!!<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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From: "Joel E. Justin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:24:57 +0000

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I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does have so=
me zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down on a regular b=
asis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) 20W50 partially=
 synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF for around $8 per quart. Sure=
 it's more expensive, but still a lot cheaper than a spun bearing or flatte=
ned cam!

Joel...

________________________________
From: dave <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] oil

I=92ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, an=
d it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.  It h=
as zddp.

Now its 1 to 2 months.

However =96 Advanced Auto Parts - https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvo=
line-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?s=
earchTerm=3Dvalvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic

With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.  You can=
 buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it=92s a 6 pack), and it=92s a co=
uple pennies cheaper!!!

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I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does have so=
me zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down on a regular b=
asis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) 20W50 partially=
 synthetic. You can get it from
 Amazon or TRF for around $8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still=
 a lot cheaper than a spun bearing or flattened cam!</div>
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Joel...</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> dave &lt;dave@ranteer=
.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] oil</font>
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I=92ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, an=
d it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.&nbsp;=
 It has zddp.</p>
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&nbsp;</p>
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&nbsp;</p>
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However =96 Advanced Auto Parts - <a href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.=
com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/1=
0069836-P?searchTerm=3Dvalvoline&#43;20w-50&#43;full&#43;synthetic">
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthe=
tic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=3Dvalvoline&#43;20w-50&#=
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With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.&nbsp; Yo=
u can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it=92s a 6 pack), and it=92s=
 a couple pennies cheaper!!!</p>
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From: Randall <[email-masked]> O3gdQXtfE6BgSjiEmP638etIhKX+EHrYz9jCcyQbT8hhxlx47PfnIace
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In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required deter=
gents and so on for long service=2E The 20W50 version actually meets API SL=
 (IIRC)=2E

I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt w=
ith it that I have seen with other oils=2E IMO, it's good stuff=2E

 Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for use=
 on the street=2E It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they changed =
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In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required deter=
gents and so on for long service=2E The 20W50 version actually meets API SL=
 (IIRC)=2E<br><br>I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of =
sludge and dirt with it that I have seen with other oils=2E IMO, it's good =
stuff=2E<br><br> Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not d=
esigned for use on the street=2E It used to be called "Not Street Legal" bu=
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:44:09 -0500

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I've used VR1 for years, too.  Nothing but compliments about the stuff,
although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an oil!

Don
1962 TR3B (87mm pistons & liners, fast road cam)

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:

> In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required
> detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets API
> SL (IIRC).
>
> I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt
> with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff.
>
> Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for use
> on the street. It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they changed the
> name to avoid confusion.
> -- Randall** [email-masked] **
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve used VR1 for years, too.=C2=A0 Nothing but compli=
ments about the stuff, although to be honest, I can&#39;t say myTR really d=
emands much from an oil!<div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B (87mm p=
istons &amp; liners, fast road cam)</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Ra=
ndall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In spit=
e of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required detergents a=
nd so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets API SL (IIRC).<=
br><br>I&#39;ve used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge =
and dirt with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it&#39;s good stuff=
.<br><br> Valvoline also offers &quot;Proline&quot; racing oil, which is no=
t designed for use on the street. It used to be called &quot;Not Street Leg=
al&quot; but they changed the name to avoid confusion.<br>-- Randall** <a h=
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From: "wbeech" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:08:04 -0500

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Same here, have used in all my TR3s for about 10 years now, no build up, =
no problems.  I use the organic version, not the synthetic.

Bill b

TS30800L

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Don =
Hiscock
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:44 PM
To: Randall <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] oil

=20

I've used VR1 for years, too.  Nothing but compliments about the stuff, =
although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an oil!

=20

Don

=20

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall <[email-masked] =

In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required =
detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets =
API SL (IIRC).

I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt =
with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff

Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for =
use on the street. It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they =
changed the name to avoid confusion.
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>Same here, have used in all my TR3s for about 10 years now, no build =
up, no problems.&nbsp; I use the organic version, not the =
synthetic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Bill b<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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>TS30800L<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Don Hiscock<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:44 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
oil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I've =
used VR1 for years, too.&nbsp; Nothing but compliments about the stuff, =
although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an =
oil!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Don<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>1962 =
TR3B (87mm pistons &amp; liners, fast road =
cam)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall &lt;<a =
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street oil, with the required detergents and so on for long service. The =
20W50 version actually meets API SL (IIRC).<br><br>I've used it for a =
long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt with it that I =
have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff<br><br>Valvoline also =
offers &quot;Proline&quot; racing oil, which is not designed for use on =
the street. It used to be called &quot;Not Street Legal&quot; but they =
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From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:01:24 -0400 (EDT)

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Not sure I'm recalling correctly and I've deleted it, but was the original post about running Valvoline 20-50 synthetic?  

Just my experience, of course, but I ran that for the life of the first rebuild I ran in the TR3.  When I tore the engine down I found the lifters and cam had traded metal pretty severely.  Have been running VR1 20 50 non-syn in this second rebuild.  No issues so far and not seeing crud on the filler cap, but have yet to tear this engine down...thankfully!

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire

> On June 18, 2019 at 6:08 PM wbeech <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Same here, have used in all my TR3s for about 10 years now, no build up, no problems.  I use the organic version, not the synthetic.
> 
>     Bill b
> 
>     TS30800L
> 
>      
> 
>     From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
>     I've used VR1 for years, too.  Nothing but compliments about the stuff, although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an oil!
> 
>      
> 
>     Don
> 
>     On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets API SL (IIRC).
> > 
> >         I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff
> > 
> >         Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for use on the street. It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they changed the name to avoid confusion.
> >         -- Randall** [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] **
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ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Not sure I&#39;m recalling correctly and=
 I&#39;ve deleted it, but was the original post about running Valvoline 20-=
50 synthetic?&#160;&#160;</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helv=
etica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font=
-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, =
51);">Just my experience, of course, but I ran that for the life of the fir=
st rebuild I ran in the TR3.&#160; When I tore the engine down I found the =
lifters and cam had traded metal pretty severely.&#160; Have been running V=
R1 20 50 non-syn in this second rebuild.&#160; No issues so far and not see=
ing crud on the filler cap, but have yet to tear this engine down...thankfu=
lly!</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-se=
rif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry Smith, &#=
39;59 TR3A&#160; TS 58667</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helv=
etica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">New Hampshire</p><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">On June 18, 2019 at 6:08 PM wbeech &#60;[email-masked]=
&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-WordSection1"><p class=3D=
"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'C=
alibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Same here, have used in all my TR3s fo=
r about 10 years now, no build up, no problems.&#160; I use the organic ver=
sion, not the synthetic. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #=
1f497d;">Bill b </span></p><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><span style=
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TS30800L </span></p><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
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 </span></p><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"fon=
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pan style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> Triump=
hs [mailto:[email-masked]] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>D=
on Hiscock<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:44 PM<br><str=
ong>To:</strong> Randall &#60;[email-masked]&#62;<br><strong>Cc:</stro=
ng> Triumphs &#60;[email-masked]&#62;<br><strong>Subject:</strong>=
 Re: [TR] oil </span></p><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><di=
v><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">I&#39;ve used VR1 for years, too.&#1=
60; Nothing but compliments about the stuff, although to be honest, I can&#=
39;t say myTR really demands much from an oil!</p><div><p class=3D"ox-18d76=
edda4-MsoNormal">&#160;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">=
Don</p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">1962 TR3B (87mm pist=
ons &#38; liners, fast road cam)</p></div></div><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-M=
soNormal">&#160;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">On Tue, =
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>[email-masked]</a>&#62; wrote:</p></div><blockquote><p class=3D"ox-18=
d76edda4-MsoNormal">In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, wit=
h the required detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version act=
ually meets API SL (IIRC).<br><br>I&#39;ve used it for a long time, and nev=
er seen the kind of sludge and dirt with it that I have seen with other oil=
s. IMO, it&#39;s good stuff<br><br>Valvoline also offers &#34;Proline&#34; =
racing oil, which is not designed for use on the street. It used to be call=
ed &#34;Not Street Legal&#34; but they changed the name to avoid confusion.=
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:02:36 -0400

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A bunch of years ago I restored an LBC for a guy...original owner from 
the early 70's, wanted to rebuild the car as a retirement gift to 
himself and his wife...apparent very fond memories.

Long story short.... 110K+ miles on the odo.... when I pulled the oil 
cap for a first look, the valves, rockers, pedestals, all were different 
colors...looked nearly new! The engine had never been touched, let alone 
that the car had sat for the last 15 years outdoors in the weather.? 
First tests, the engine still had great and even compression.? He'd been 
running Mobil 1 since the very first oil change in 1971.?? It made a 
believer out of me. I've been running Mobil 1 20-50 in all my LBC's ever 
since... perhaps 110K+ miles cumulative now, without single issue.

Plus...you can buy 4 (5?) quart big jugs at Walmart for well under $30

ymmv

ptegler

On 6/18/2019 3:24 PM, Joel E. Justin wrote:
> I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does 
> have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down on 
> a regular basis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) 
> 20W50 partially synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF for 
> around $8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still a lot cheaper 
> than a spun bearing or flattened cam!
>
> Joel...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* dave <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* [TR] oil
>
> I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, 
> and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free 
> shipping.? It has zddp.
>
> Now its 1 to 2 months.
>
> However ? Advanced Auto Parts - 
> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic
>
> With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.? 
> You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and 
> it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>
>
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    <p>A bunch of years ago I restored an LBC for a guy...original owner
      from the early 70's, wanted to rebuild the car as a retirement
      gift to himself and his wife...apparent very fond memories.</p>
    <p>Long story short.... 110K+ miles on the odo.... when I pulled the
      oil cap for a first look, the valves, rockers, pedestals, all were
      different colors...looked nearly new! The engine had never been
      touched, let alone that the car had sat for the last 15 years
      outdoors in the weather.? First tests, the engine still had great
      and even compression.? He'd been running Mobil 1 since the very
      first oil change in 1971.?? It made a believer out of me. I've
      been running Mobil 1 20-50 in all my LBC's ever since... perhaps
      110K+ miles cumulative now, without single issue.</p>
    <p>Plus...you can buy 4 (5?) quart big jugs at Walmart for well
      under $30</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>ymmv <br>
    </p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <p> <br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2019 3:24 PM, Joel E. Justin
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it
        does have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are
        torn down on a regular basis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade
        (used to be Brad Penn) 20W50 partially synthetic. You can get it
        from Amazon or TRF for around $8 per quart. Sure it's more
        expensive, but still a lot cheaper than a spun bearing or
        flattened cam!</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        Joel...</div>
      <div>
        <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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          <br>
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        <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
            face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> dave
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> [TR] oil</font>
          <div>?</div>
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            <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
              I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for
              several years now, and it used to be immediately available
              from Amazon with free shipping.? It has zddp.</p>
            <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
              ?</p>
            <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
              Now its 1 to 2 months.</p>
            <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
              ?</p>
            <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
              However ? Advanced Auto Parts - <a
href="https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic"
                moz-do-not-send="true">
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic</a></p>
            <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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              ?</p>
            <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
              With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3
              quarts.? You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon
              it?s a 6 pack), and it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!</p>
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Did you replace the cam and lifters at the time of rebuild or re-use the =
original ones? How many miles on the rebuild?
JVV

From: Paul Tegler=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:02 PM
To: Joel E. Justin ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [TR] oil

A bunch of years ago I restored an LBC for a guy...original owner from =
the early 70's, wanted to rebuild the car as a retirement gift to =
himself and his wife...apparent very fond memories.

Long story short.... 110K+ miles on the odo.... when I pulled the oil =
cap for a first look, the valves, rockers, pedestals, all were different =
colors...looked nearly new! The engine had never been touched, let alone =
that the car had sat for the last 15 years outdoors in the weather.? =
First tests, the engine still had great and even compression.? He'd been =
running Mobil 1 since the very first oil change in 1971.?? It made a =
believer out of me. I've been running Mobil 1 20-50 in all my LBC's ever =
since... perhaps 110K+ miles cumulative now, without single issue.

ymmv=20

ptegler

  I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does =
have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down on a =
regular basis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) =
20W50 partially synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF for around =
$8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still a lot cheaper than a =
spun bearing or flattened cam!

  Joel...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----

  From: dave mailto:[email-masked]
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM
  To: [email-masked]
  Subject: [TR] oil=20
  ?
  I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, =
and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.? =
It has zddp.

  ?

  Now its 1 to 2 months.

  ?

  However ? Advanced Auto Parts - =
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synt=
hetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=3Dvalvoline+20w-50+f=
ull+synthetic

  ?

  With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.? =
You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and =
it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!

  =20

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<P>A bunch of years ago I restored an LBC for a guy...original owner =
from the=20
early 70's, wanted to rebuild the car as a retirement gift to himself =
and his=20
wife...apparent very fond memories.</P>
<P>Long story short.... 110K+ miles on the odo.... when I pulled the oil =
cap for=20
a first look, the valves, rockers, pedestals, all were different =
colors...looked=20
nearly new! The engine had never been touched, let alone that the car =
had sat=20
for the last 15 years outdoors in the weather.? First tests, the engine =
still=20
had great and even compression.? He'd been running Mobil 1 since the =
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without=20
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<P>Plus...you can buy 4 (5?) quart big jugs at Walmart for well under =
$30</P>
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<P>ymmv <BR></P>
<P>ptegler<BR></P>
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  wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does have =
some=20
  zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down on a regular =
basis.=20
  My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) 20W50 partially=20
  synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF for around $8 per quart. =
Sure=20
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  been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and =
it used=20
  to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.? It has =
zddp.</P>
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  ? Advanced Auto Parts - <A=20
  =
href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-f=
ull-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=3Dvalvoline+=
20w-50+full+synthetic"=20
  =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr=
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  free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.? You can =
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we didn't rebuild the engine!

After my post yesterday, it got me wondering...so I contacted him about 
the car. His daughter has been driving it to/from college these 
days...getting 30mpg on the highway

now has around 130K miles on it and running fine! He said (she said) it 
started fine all winter long for her without single issue.

(not sure what college she's at..didn't think to ask)

ptegler

On 6/19/2019 6:50 AM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
> Did you replace the cam and lifters at the time of rebuild or re-use 
> the original ones? How many miles on the rebuild?
> JVV
> *From:* Paul Tegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:02 PM
> *To:* Joel E. Justin ; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] oil
>
> cap for a first look, the valves, rockers, pedestals, all were 
> touched, let alone that the car had sat for the last 15 years outdoors 
> in the weather.? First tests, the engine still had great and even 
> compression.? He'd been running Mobil 1 since the very first oil 
> change in 1971.?? It made a believer out of me. I've been running 
> Mobil 1 20-50 in all my LBC's ever since... perhaps 110K+ miles 
> cumulative now, without single issue.
>
>> have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down 
>> on a regular basis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad 
>> Penn) 20W50 partially synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF 
>> for around $8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still a lot 
>> cheaper than a spun bearing or flattened cam!
>> Joel...
>> *From:* dave mailto:[email-masked]
>> I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years 
>> now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free 
>> shipping.? It has zddp.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Now its 1 to 2 months.
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    <p>we didn't rebuild the engine! <br>
    </p>
    <p>After my post yesterday, it got me wondering...so I contacted him
      about the car. His daughter has been driving it to/from college
      these days...getting 30mpg on the highway</p>
    <p>now has around 130K miles on it and running fine! He said (she
      said) it started fine all winter long for her without single
      issue.</p>
    <p>(not sure what college she's at..didn't think to ask)</p>
    <p>ptegler</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/19/2019 6:50 AM, Jerry Van Vlack
      wrote:<br>
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          <div>Did you replace the cam and lifters at the time of
            rebuild or re-use the original ones? How many miles on the
            rebuild?</div>
          <div>JVV</div>
          <div style="FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none;
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              <div>?</div>
              <div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
                <div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
                    title="[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">Paul
                    Tegler</a> </div>
                <div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:02 PM</div>
                <div><b>To:</b> <a title="[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">Joel E. Justin</a> ; <a
                    title="[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a> </div>
                <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] oil</div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div>?</div>
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            FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Calibri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal;
            COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline">
            <p>A bunch of years ago I restored an LBC for a
              guy...original owner from the early 70's, wanted to
              rebuild the car as a retirement gift to himself and his
              wife...apparent very fond memories.</p>
            <p>Long story short.... 110K+ miles on the odo.... when I
              pulled the oil cap for a first look, the valves, rockers,
              pedestals, all were different colors...looked nearly new!
              The engine had never been touched, let alone that the car
              had sat for the last 15 years outdoors in the weather.?
              First tests, the engine still had great and even
              compression.? He'd been running Mobil 1 since the very
              first oil change in 1971.?? It made a believer out of me.
              I've been running Mobil 1 20-50 in all my LBC's ever
              since... perhaps 110K+ miles cumulative now, without
              single issue.</p>
            <p>Plus...you can buy 4 (5?) quart big jugs at Walmart for
              well under $30</p>
            <p>?</p>
            <p>ymmv <br>
            </p>
            <p>ptegler<br>
            </p>
            <p>?</p>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2019 3:24 PM, Joel E.
              Justin wrote:<br>
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              <div style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,
                helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">I wouldn't
                advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does
                have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that
                are torn down on a regular basis. My oil of choice is
                Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) 20W50 partially
                synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF for around
                $8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still a lot
                cheaper than a spun bearing or flattened cam!</div>
              <div style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,
                helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">?</div>
              <div style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,
                helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">Joel...</div>
              <div>
                <div style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif"
                    color="#000000"><b>From:</b> dave <a
                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:[email-masked]</a><br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> [TR] oil</font>
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                    <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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                      0pt">I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full
                      synthetic for several years now, and it used to be
                      immediately available from Amazon with free
                      shipping.? It has zddp.</p>
                    <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
                      FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in
                      0pt">?</p>
                    <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
                      FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in
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                    <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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                      0pt">?</p>
                    <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
                      FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in
                      0pt">However ? Advanced Auto Parts - <a
href="https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic</a></p>
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                    <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
                      FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in
                      0pt">With free shipping with a minimum order of
                      $25, which is 3 quarts.? You can buy it any number
                      of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and it?s a
                      couple pennies cheaper!!!</p>
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I am sold on RedLine ... 20/50 of course...after a blown rocker gasket it go=
t us home (50) miles with only 4 quarts...and no damage anywhere.
Just Saying...

Bill Pugh
Wallace, CA

> On Jun 18, 2019, at 5:01 PM, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Just my experience, of course, but I ran that for the life of the first re=
build I ran in the TR3.  When I tore the engine down I found the lifters and=
 cam had traded metal pretty severely.  Have been running VR1 20 50 non-syn i=
n this second rebuild.  No issues so far and not seeing crud on the filler c=
ap, but have yet to tear this engine down...thankfully!
>> On June 18, 2019 at 6:08 PM wbeech <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
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>>=20
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>> I've used VR1 for years, too.  Nothing but compliments about the stuff, a=
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>> In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required det=
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IIRC).
>> I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt w=
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after a blown rocker gasket it got us home (50) miles with only 4 quarts...a=
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ppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Bill Pugh<div>Wallace, CA</div><div><br></div=
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r: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Not sure I'm recalling correctly and I've deleted it, b=
ut was the original post about running Valvoline 20-50 synthetic?&nbsp;&nbsp=
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 color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: h=
elvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Just my experience, of=
 course, but I ran that for the life of the first rebuild I ran in the TR3.&=
nbsp; When I tore the engine down I found the lifters and cam had traded met=
al pretty severely.&nbsp; Have been running VR1 20 50 non-syn in this second=
 rebuild.&nbsp; No issues so far and not seeing crud on the filler cap, but h=
ave yet to tear this engine down...thankfully!</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12p=
t; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br><=
/p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; c=
olor: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry Smith, '59 TR3A&nbsp; TS 58667</p><p style=3D"=
font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 5=
1, 51);">New Hampshire</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On June 18, 2019 at 6:08=
 PM wbeech &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-18d7=
6edda4-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',s=
ans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Same here, have used in all my TR3s for about 10=
 years now, no build up, no problems.&nbsp; I use the organic version, not t=
he synthetic. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Bill=
 b </span></p><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">TS30800L </span=
></p><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; f=
ont-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> &nbsp; </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; fon=
t-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>=
] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Don Hiscock<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesda=
y, June 18, 2019 4:44 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><strong>Cc:</strong> T=
riumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt;<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] oil </span></p><p class=3D"=
ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal"=
>I've used VR1 for years, too.&nbsp; Nothing but compliments about the stuff=
, although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an oil!</=
p><div><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D=
"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">Don</p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNor=
mal">1962 TR3B (87mm pistons &amp; liners, fast road cam)</p></div></div><p c=
lass=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ox-18d76edd=
a4-MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote=
><p class=3D"ox-18d76edda4-MsoNormal">In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a=
 street oil, with the required detergents and so on for long service. The 20=
W50 version actually meets API SL (IIRC).<br><br>I've used it for a long tim=
e, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt with it that I have seen with o=
ther oils. IMO, it's good stuff<br><br>Valvoline also offers "Proline" racin=
g oil, which is not designed for use on the street. It used to be called "No=
t Street Legal" but they changed the name to avoid confusion.<br>-- Randall*=
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