Subject: Re: [TR] Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance

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I used a 3 ohm Pertronix coil, and so far it has worked flawlessly=2E After=
 a new Lucas coil died in less than a year, I won't use Lucas again=2E

Another alternative is to check with your FLAPS=2E I walked into a NAPA st=
ore in a small town last year, and they had a 3 ohm coil on the shelf=2E It=
 has worked fine so far as well (on a Ferguson tractor with the Standard en=
gine)=2E Price was over twice that of a Pertronix from Amazon, but I got to=
 try it that afternoon=2E

For wires, I went with classic copper core wire, combined with plug connec=
tors that have suppression resistors built in=2E The plug boots I used are =
normally sold for motorcycles, I found some 135 degree ones from NGK that f=
it nicely=2E On Amazon IIRC, but likely available at my friendly local moto=
rcycle parts store :)

The other option I see is to convert completely to push-on connectors for =
the high tension leads and carbon core wires=2E There is a distributor cap =
available with modern (well, more modern anyway) push-on terminals that fit=
s exactly in place of the original cap with the piercing screws=2E Used on =
MGB I believe, probably lots of other British cars as well=2E
-- Randall

On 13 June 2019 19:17:32 GMT-06:00, Dave MacKay <dave@mdmackay=2Eca> wrote=
:
> Puzzled by simple things=2E Looking for guidance
>
>Hello:
>
>I=E2=80=99m looking to replace the coil and spark plugs wires on my TR3A=
=2E The
>car
>has been converted to negative ground and has a Crane XR-700 electronic
>ignition=2E I=E2=80=99m a bit unsure about what I need=2E
>
>1) Coil
>
>Using instructions that Randall posted several years ago, I measured
>3=2E8 o
>hms and 10=2E8 volts from my existing coil=2E That makes me think that I
>need a
>12v non-ballasted coil=2E Is that correct?
>
>The connector for the high tension lead (to the distribution) is a push
>on;
>the two small terminals on the coil are threaded so that the wires are
>attached with nuts (not Lucar-type connectors)=2E
>
>I would welcome any recommendations as to coils=2E I was thinking of a
>replacement like Moss #143-220 (
>*https://mossmotors=2Ecom/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-lucas*
><https://mossmotors=2Ecom/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-lucas>) or Moss
>#
>143-221 (
>*https://mossmotors=2Ecom/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-aftermarket*
><https://mossmotors=2Ecom/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-aftermarket>)=
=2E
>
>2) Spark plug wires
>
>I thought this would be simple, but it seems not=2E I was planning to buy
>Moss
>571-005 (
>*https://mossmotors=2Ecom/ignition-wire-set-push-in-style-cobalt-brand*
><https://mossmotors=2Ecom/ignition-wire-set-push-in-style-cobalt-brand>)
>but
>was told that they weren=E2=80=99t appropriate because of my Crane unit=
=2E I
>didn=E2=80=99t
>understand why=2E
>
>What sort of wires would I need for my TR3A? I don=E2=80=99t run a radio =
in the
>car
>so that I don=E2=80=99t imagine interference would be an issue=2E  I had =
thought
>I
>could just buy any old spark plug wires, but find I must make a number
>of
>choices: resistor or non-resistor wire, solid core or braided, type of
>cap,
>screw-in, etc=2E
>
>What does one need to know to select spark plug wires for a TR3A? Any
>recommendations?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave MacKay
>
>1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
>
>Near Toronto, Canada

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<body>I used a 3 ohm Pertronix coil, and so far it has worked flawlessly=
=2E After a new Lucas coil died in less than a year, I won't use Lucas agai=
n=2E<br><br>Another alternative is to check with your FLAPS=2E I walked int=
o a NAPA store in a small town last year, and they had a 3 ohm coil on the =
shelf=2E It has worked fine so far as well (on a Ferguson tractor with the =
Standard engine)=2E Price was over twice that of a Pertronix from Amazon, b=
ut I got to try it that afternoon=2E<br><br>For wires, I went with classic =
copper core wire, combined with plug connectors that have suppression resis=
tors built in=2E The plug boots I used are normally sold for motorcycles, I=
 found some 135 degree ones from NGK that fit nicely=2E On Amazon IIRC, but=
 likely available at my friendly local motorcycle parts store :)<br><br>The=
 other option I see is to convert completely to push-on connectors for the =
high tension leads and carbon core wires=2E There is a distributor cap avai=
lable with modern (well, more modern anyway) push-on terminals that fits ex=
actly in place of the original cap with the piercing screws=2E Used on MGB =
I believe, probably lots of other British cars as well=2E<br>-- Randall<br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 13 June 2019 19:17:32 GMT-06:00, Dave Mac=
Kay &lt;dave@mdmackay=2Eca&gt; wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204)=
; padding-left: 1ex;">

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Hello:</font></=
span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I=E2=80=99m loo=
king to replace the</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">coil and</font><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">spark plugs wires on my TR3A=2E The car has=
 been converted to negative ground and has a Crane</font></span><span lang=
=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font f=
ace=3D"Calibri">XR-700 electronic ignition=2E I=E2=80=99m a bit unsure abou=
t what I need=2E</font></span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">1) Coil</font><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"> </span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">U</font></span>=
<span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca=
"><font face=3D"Calibri">sing</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><spa=
n lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">instru=
ctions that Randall posted several years ago</font></span><span lang=3D"en-=
ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"C=
alibri">, I measured 3=2E8 o</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span=
 lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">hms</fon=
t></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=
=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> and</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></=
span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibr=
i">10=2E8 volts</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-c=
a"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"></font></span><span l=
ang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <fon=
t face=3D"Calibri">from my existing</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> =
coil</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><=
span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">=2E</font></span><span lang=3D"e=
n-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=
=3D"Calibri">That makes me think that I need a 12v non-ballasted coil=2E</f=
ont></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span la=
ng=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Is that correct?</font></span><span la=
ng=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font =
face=3D"Calibri"> </font></span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">The connect</fo=
nt></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lan=
g=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">or for the high tension lead (to the dis=
tribution) is a push</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">on; the t</font=
></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=
=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">wo small terminals on the coil</font></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en=
-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> are threaded so that the wires are</font></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-=
ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">attached</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
 with nuts (not Lucar-typ</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span la=
ng=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">e connector=
s)=2E</font></span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I would welcome=
 any recommendations as to coil</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><s=
pan lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">s=2E<=
/font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">I was thinking of a replacement like=
</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span=
 lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Moss</font></span><span lang=3D"en-=
ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"=
Calibri">#</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></=
span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">143-220</font></span><span=
 lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><fo=
nt face=3D"Calibri"> (</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><a href=3D"=
https://mossmotors=2Ecom/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-lucas"><span lang=
=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><u><font=
 color=3D"#0563C1" face=3D"Calibri">https://mossmotors=2Ecom/coil-ignition-=
push-on-coil-wire-lucas</font></u></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></a><s=
pan lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca">=
<font face=3D"Calibri">) or</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Moss # 1=
43-221 (</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><a href=3D"https://mossmo=
tors=2Ecom/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-aftermarket"><span lang=3D"en-ca=
"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><u><font color=3D=
"#0563C1" face=3D"Calibri">https://mossmotors=2Ecom/coil-ignition-push-on-c=
oil-wire-aftermarket</font></u></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></a><span=
 lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><fo=
nt face=3D"Calibri">)=2E</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lan=
g=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> </span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">2) Spark plug w=
ires</font></span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I thought this =
would be simple, but it seems not=2E</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri"=
>I was planning to buy Moss</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">571-005<=
/font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"></font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></=
span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibr=
i">(</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><a href=3D"https://mossmotors=
=2Ecom/ignition-wire-set-push-in-style-cobalt-brand"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><u><font color=3D"#0=
563C1" face=3D"Calibri">https://mossmotors=2Ecom/ignition-wire-set-push-in-=
style-cobalt-brand</font></u></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></a><span l=
ang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font=
 face=3D"Calibri">)</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">but was told tha=
t they weren=E2=80=99t appropriate b</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
ecause of my Crane unit=2E I didn=E2=80=99t understand why=2E</font></span>=
<span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca=
"><font face=3D"Calibri"></font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span la=
ng=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> </span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">What sort of wi=
res would I need for my TR3A</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span=
 lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">?</font>=
</span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=
=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"></font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span=
><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">I=
 don=E2=80=99t run a radio in the car so that I don=E2=80=99t imagine inter=
ference would be an issue=2E</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span=
 lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca">&nbsp;<font face=3D"Calibri"></=
font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span l=
ang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">I had</font></span><span lang=3D"en-c=
a"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"C=
alibri">thought I</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en=
-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> could ju</font></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"e=
n-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">st buy any old spark plug wires</font></span><=
span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"=
><font face=3D"Calibri">, but find I must make a number of choices:</font><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">resisto</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibr=
i">r or non-resistor wire, solid core or</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca">=
</span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Cali=
bri">braided, type of cap</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span la=
ng=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">,</font></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"e=
n-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">screw-in,</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calib=
ri">etc=2E</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></=
span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"></font></span><span lang=
=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> </span>=
</p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">What</font></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en=
-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">does one need to know to select</font></span><=
span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"=
> <font face=3D"Calibri">spark plug wires</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"=
></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Cal=
ibri">for</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">a TR3A?</font></span><span=
 lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><fo=
nt face=3D"Calibri"></font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Any recommendat=
ions?</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span>=
<span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Thanks in advan=
ce,</font></span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Dave MacKay</fo=
nt></span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">1960 TR3A s/n 6=
8639L</font></span></p>

<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Near Toronto, C=
anada</font></span></p>

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The Lucas name has been sliced and diced so many times that I don't think t=
he current company (whoever they are) has anything in common with the origi=
nal, beyond owning the right to use those 5 letters in that order=2E
-- Randall

On 14 June 2019 09:49:08 GMT-06:00, David Templeton <davidt@opentext=2Ecom=
> wrote:
>Dave
>
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On 6/14/2019 4:40 PM, Randall wrote:
> Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance The Lucas name has been 
> sliced and diced so many times that I don't think the current company 
> (whoever they are) has anything in common with the original, beyond 
> owning the right to use those 5 letters in that order.

They, indeed, are greatly diversified.  They even have an aircraft 
manufacturing division of some sort, and an engineering consulting group 
inside that division.  They were contracted to a parent company for 
which I worked a couple of decades plus ago, and they were nitwits.  And 
expensive nitwits at that.

Cheers.

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Roswell, NM

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      The Lucas name has been sliced and diced so many times that I
      don't think the current company (whoever they are) has anything in
      common with the original, beyond owning the right to use those 5
      letters in that order.</blockquote>
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    <p>They, indeed, are greatly diversified.  They even have an
      aircraft manufacturing division of some sort, and an engineering
      consulting group inside that division.  They were contracted to a
      parent company for which I worked a couple of decades plus ago,
      and they were nitwits.  And expensive nitwits at that.</p>
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    <p>Cheers.<br>
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Lucas Industries merged with Varity in 1996 to become LucasVarity. That merg=
er was then absorbed/bought out by TRW so Lucas now an American company?

Jonmac

Remember, it=E2=80=99s rarely a good idea to squat, unless you=E2=80=99ve al=
ready removed your spurs!

> On 14 Jun 2019, at 23:48, Michael Porter <[email-masked]> wrote:
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turing division of some sort, and an engineering consulting group inside tha=
t division.  They were contracted to a parent company for which I worked a c=
ouple of decades plus ago, and they were nitwits.  And expensive nitwits at t=
hat.
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> Cheers.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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ucas now an American company?<div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"Ap=
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    <p>They, indeed, are greatly diversified.&nbsp; They even have an
      consulting group inside that division.&nbsp; They were contracted to a=

      parent company for which I worked a couple of decades plus ago,
      and they were nitwits.&nbsp; And expensive nitwits at that.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers.<br>
    </p>
    <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20

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From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 04:14:51 -0600

On 6/15/2019 3:26 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> Lucas Industries merged with Varity in 1996 to become LucasVarity. 
> That merger was then absorbed/bought out by TRW so Lucas now an 
> American company?
>
Not exactly.  The company's main divisions--aerospace, automotive and 
credit reporting--were sold off at various times over the past twenty 
years.  TRW bought LucasVarity, then sold off the division, LucasDiesel, 
to Delphi and Lucas Aerospace to Goodrich.  In 2002, Northrop Grumman 
took TRW in a hostile takeover.  The automotive assets of TRW and 
LucasVarity were then sold to the investment fund, the Blackstone Group, 
as TRW Automotive.  The credit reporting division was spun off as 
Experion, while the Blackstone Group eventually sold TRW Automotive to ZF.

So, technically, what's left of LucasVarity is now German-owned, and TRW 
is no more.

Cheers, John.

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Roswell, NM

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 Und, so now ze German take-over of Europe is complete !
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From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
To: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Cc: triumphs <[email-masked]>; Randall <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2019 5:15 am
Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidan=
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On 6/15/2019 3:26 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> Lucas Industries merged with Varity in 1996 to become LucasVarity.=20
> That merger was then absorbed/bought out by TRW so Lucas now an=20
> American company?
>
Not exactly.=C2=A0 The company's main divisions--aerospace, automotive and=
=20
credit reporting--were sold off at various times over the past twenty=20
years.=C2=A0 TRW bought LucasVarity, then sold off the division, LucasDiese=
l,=20
to Delphi and Lucas Aerospace to Goodrich.=C2=A0 In 2002, Northrop Grumman=
=20
took TRW in a hostile takeover.=C2=A0 The automotive assets of TRW and=20
LucasVarity were then sold to the investment fund, the Blackstone Group,=20
as TRW Automotive.=C2=A0 The credit reporting division was spun off as=20
Experion, while the Blackstone Group eventually sold TRW Automotive to ZF.

So, technically, what's left of LucasVarity is now German-owned, and TRW=20
is no more.

Cheers, John.

--=20

Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

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kquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">So, techni=
cally, what's left of LucasVarity is now German-owned, and TRW <br clear=3D=
"none">is no more.</blockquote></div>

<div> <font size=3D"3">Und, so now ze German take-over of Europe is complet=
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To: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 6/15/2019 3:26 AM, John Macartney wrote:<br clear=3D"no=
ne">&gt; Lucas Industries merged with Varity in 1996 to become LucasVarity.=
 <br clear=3D"none">&gt; That merger was then absorbed/bought out by TRW so=
 Lucas now an <br clear=3D"none">&gt; American company?<br clear=3D"none">&=
gt;<br clear=3D"none">Not exactly.&nbsp; The company's main divisions--aero=
space, automotive and <br clear=3D"none">credit reporting--were sold off at=
 various times over the past twenty <br clear=3D"none">years.&nbsp; TRW bou=
ght LucasVarity, then sold off the division, LucasDiesel, <br clear=3D"none=
">to Delphi and Lucas Aerospace to Goodrich.&nbsp; In 2002, Northrop Grumma=
n <br clear=3D"none">took TRW in a hostile takeover.&nbsp; The automotive a=
ssets of TRW and <br clear=3D"none">LucasVarity were then sold to the inves=
tment fund, the Blackstone Group, <br clear=3D"none">as TRW Automotive.&nbs=
p; The credit reporting division was spun off as <br clear=3D"none">Experio=
n, while the Blackstone Group eventually sold TRW Automotive to ZF.<br clea=
r=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">So, technically, what's left of LucasVarity i=
s now German-owned, and TRW <br clear=3D"none">is no more.<br clear=3D"none=
"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Cheers, John.
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