Subject: Re: [TR] A flood of flukes

From: Frank Fisher <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 21:09:26 +0000 (UTC)

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 fluke number 4beading bends when re-attaching the front apron
fluke number 5last screw going into the captured nut finds the housing has =
broken loose.
fluke number 6=C2=A0scratched the paint taking the front off again.

btdtoh the pain
frank

    On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 02:04:25 PM PDT, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcas=
t.net> wrote: =20
=20
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My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better par=
t of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in t=
he TR3.=C2=A0 I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exa=
ctly two minutes from home the car lost all power.=C2=A0 No coughing, stumb=
ling, fluttering.=C2=A0 Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the =
next.=C2=A0=20

Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testin=
g.=C2=A0 No spark out of the plugs.=C2=A0 Good spark out of the coil.=C2=A0=
 Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine=
.=C2=A0 I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.=C2=A0 I very likely kil=
led the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.=C2=
=A0 Fluke number one.=C2=A0=20

Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture o=
ne last time, I noticed it was overheating.=C2=A0 There are no knocks, ratt=
les or grindings going on.=C2=A0 Oil pressure is steady and good.=C2=A0 Tes=
ted this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.=C2=
=A0 Fluke number two.=C2=A0=20

Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both =
the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water =
out.=C2=A0 Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, =
but the threaded housing came out with it.=C2=A0 Apparently it's like a plu=
g within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.=C2=A0 This =
is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.=C2=
=A0=20

Gadfrey.=C2=A0=20

Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.=C2=A0 I'll take it to som=
e radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.=C2=
=A0 At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.=C2=A0=20

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A=C2=A0 TS 58667

New Hampshire

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        <div>fluke number 4</div><div>beading bends when re-attaching the f=
ront apron</div><div><br></div><div>fluke number 5</div><div>last screw goi=
ng into the captured nut finds the housing has broken loose.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>fluke number 6&nbsp;</div><div>scratched the paint taking the fr=
ont off again.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>btdt</div><div>oh th=
e pain</div><div><br></div><div>frank</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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<div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(51, 51, 51);">My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on=
 Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half h=
our aimless drive in the TR3.&nbsp; I should say four hours and twenty-eigh=
t minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.&nb=
sp; No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.&nbsp; Just total power one minute, =
complete shutdown the next.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-f=
amily:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 5=
1, 51);">Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to wo=
rk testing.&nbsp; No spark out of the plugs.&nbsp; Good spark out of the co=
il.&nbsp; Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car=
 ran fine.&nbsp; I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.&nbsp; I very l=
ikely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am =
prone.&nbsp; Fluke number one.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51=
, 51, 51);">Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check t=
he mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.&nbsp; There are no =
knocks, rattles or grindings going on.&nbsp; Oil pressure is steady and goo=
d.&nbsp; Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat p=
roblem.&nbsp; Fluke number two.&nbsp; </p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-f=
amily:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 5=
1, 51);">Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to repl=
ace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.&nbs=
p;&nbsp; I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let t=
he water out.&nbsp; Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug c=
ame out, but the threaded housing came out with it.&nbsp; Apparently it's l=
ike a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.&nb=
sp; This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number th=
ree.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial,=
 sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font=
-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);">Gadfrey.&nbsp;=
 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-seri=
f;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:he=
lvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);">Spent today pulling the =
valence and the radiator.&nbsp; I'll take it to some radiator place to have=
 the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.&nbsp; At least getting at =
the water pump is going to be easier.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></=
p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry Smith, '59 TR3A&nbsp; TS 58667<br></p><p style=3D"=
font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 5=
1);">New Hampshire<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,=
 arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12=
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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 19:30:16 -0500

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Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic ignit=
ion, just call me an old pointy head.=20
Bill
tS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part=
 of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the=
 TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two=
 minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, flutteri=
ng.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next. =20

Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing=
.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pert=
ronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm don=
e with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key=
 on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. =20

Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture on=
e last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or g=
rindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I=
've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two.=20

Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both t=
he thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under t=
he car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the p=
lug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded hous=
ing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one thread=
ed, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from o=
ne of the Big 3. Fluke number three. =20

Gadfrey. =20

Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radi=
ator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least=
 getting at the water pump is going to be easier. =20

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire

ash.net

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive=
. &nbsp; Not a fan of electronic ignition, just call me an old pointy head.&=
nbsp;<div>Bill</div><div>tS30800L<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D=
"ltr">Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 25, 2019, a=
t 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">terryrs@co=
mcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">

    <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">
<p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:=
 rgb(51, 51, 51);">My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sun=
day, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour a=
imless drive in the TR3.&nbsp; I should say four hours and twenty-eight minu=
tes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.&nbsp; No c=
oughing, stumbling, fluttering.&nbsp; Just total power one minute, complete s=
hutdown the next.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: he=
lvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-=
size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);=
">Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testi=
ng.&nbsp; No spark out of the plugs.&nbsp; Good spark out of the coil.&nbsp;=
 Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.=
&nbsp; I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.&nbsp; I very likely kille=
d the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.&nbsp;=
 Fluke number one.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: h=
elvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font=
-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51)=
;">Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture=
 one last time, I noticed it was overheating.&nbsp; There are no knocks, rat=
tles or grindings going on.&nbsp; Oil pressure is steady and good.&nbsp; Tes=
ted this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.&nbsp;=
 Fluke number two.&nbsp; </p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helve=
tica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">H=
appen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both th=
e thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.&nbsp;&nbsp; I g=
ot under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.=
&nbsp; Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but t=
he threaded housing came out with it.&nbsp; Apparently it's like a plug with=
in a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.&nbsp; This is one o=
f the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.&nbsp; <br></p=
><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color=
: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Gadfrey.&nbsp; <br></p><p sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(5=
1, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,ari=
al,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Spent today pulling the valence and t=
he radiator.&nbsp; I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug hous=
ing brazed in instead of soldered.&nbsp; At least getting at the water pump i=
s going to be easier.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family=
: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 5=
1);">Terry Smith, '59 TR3A&nbsp; TS 58667<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt=
; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">New Hamp=
shire<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-=
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 18:42:38 -0700

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I sometimes wonder what the ratio is between time spent working on the car
and time spent driving.

I suspect it may be close to 1:1 but, like that box of receipts I have, I'm
better off not knowing the specific totals.

Geo

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 2:04 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

> My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better
> part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive
> in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because
> exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing,
> stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the
> next.
>
>
> Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work
> testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped
> the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I
> think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing
> leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number
> one.
>
>
> Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture
> one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles
> or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this
> twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number
> two.
>
>
> Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both
> the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got
> under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.
> Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the
> threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a
> plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the
> new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.
>
>
> Gadfrey.
>
>
> Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some
> radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At
> least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I sometimes wonder what the ratio is between time spent wo=
rking on the car and time spent driving.<div><br></div><div>I suspect it ma=
y be close to 1:1 but, like that box of receipts I have, I&#39;m better off=
 not knowing the specific totals.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue,=
 Jun 25, 2019 at 2:04 PM TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comcast.=
net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

   =20
<div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(51,51,51)">My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sund=
ay, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour a=
imless drive in the TR3.=C2=A0 I should say four hours and twenty-eight min=
utes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.=C2=A0 N=
o coughing, stumbling, fluttering.=C2=A0 Just total power one minute, compl=
ete shutdown the next.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family=
:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Towed =
it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.=C2=
=A0 No spark out of the plugs.=C2=A0 Good spark out of the coil.=C2=A0 Swap=
ped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.=C2=
=A0 I think I&#39;m done with electronic ignitions.=C2=A0 I very likely kil=
led the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.=C2=
=A0 Fluke number one.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:=
helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Next I =
ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last=
 time, I noticed it was overheating.=C2=A0 There are no knocks, rattles or =
grindings going on.=C2=A0 Oil pressure is steady and good.=C2=A0 Tested thi=
s twice, so I&#39;ve either got a water pump or thermostat problem.=C2=A0 F=
luke number two.=C2=A0 </p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica=
,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Happen to have a=
 new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat a=
nd pump while the coolant was already drained.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I got under the =
car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.=C2=A0 Got t=
he plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded=
 housing came out with it.=C2=A0 Apparently it&#39;s like a plug within a p=
lug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.=C2=A0 This is one of th=
e new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.=C2=A0 <br></p><p=
 style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(5=
1,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Gadfrey.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p=
 style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(5=
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 10:33:08 -0400 (EDT)

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To all who responded defending Pertronix, just a note to confess I wasn't taking aim at the product, but rather that I cannot be trusted to treat it right, maybe leaving the key on accidentally or because I'm doing extended troubleshooting using the solenoid starter button under the hood.   The electronic ignition worked fine for me for 7 or eight years otherwise.  Still, replacing points and condensor at the start of every season seems an effortless task compared to packing wheel bearings and changing oil.

On another note, calling around to a radiator shop, the recommendation is to solder, not braze, the drain plug housing back into the radiator.  Since it seemed not much difference than soldering all the plumbing copper pipes I've done around the house, I just went into the garage and put the plug back in.  Used a butane torch, not propane nor acetylene.  Will test with water when it cools a mite.  Saves me a two hour trip to and from Concord to have it done, except they tell me they can't get to it for two weeks anyway.  Hmmm...does that make this a semi-fluke or perhaps an anti-fluke????

Beautiful day here in New Hampshire,

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

> On June 25, 2019 at 5:03 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> 
>     My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next. 
> 
> 
>     Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. 
> 
> 
>     Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two. 
> 
> 
>     Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three. 
> 
> 
>     Gadfrey. 
> 
> 
>     Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier. 
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just a note to confess I wasn&#39;t taking aim at the product, but rather t=
hat I cannot be trusted to treat it right, maybe leaving the key on acciden=
tally or because I&#39;m doing extended troubleshooting using the solenoid =
starter button under the hood.&#160;&#160; The electronic ignition worked f=
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 the recommendation is to solder, not braze, the drain plug housing back in=
to the radiator.&#160; Since it seemed not much difference than soldering a=
ll the plumbing copper pipes I&#39;ve done around the house, I just went in=
to the garage and put the plug back in.&#160; Used a butane torch, not prop=
ane nor acetylene.&#160; Will test with water when it cools a mite.&#160; S=
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#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; f=
ont-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">My wife had an old=
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myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.&#160; I sh=
ould say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes f=
rom home the car lost all power.&#160; No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.&=
#160; Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next.&#160; <br></=
p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,a=
rial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Towed it home with the loader, got it in =
the garage and went to work testing.&#160; No spark out of the plugs.&#160;=
 Good spark out of the coil.&#160; Swapped the Pertronix unit out for point=
s, engine started and car ran fine.&#160; I think I&#39;m done with electro=
nic ignitions.&#160; I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or s=
omesuch idiocy to which I am prone.&#160; Fluke number one.&#160; <br></p><=
p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:=
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l,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle=
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#160; There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.&#160; Oil pressur=
e is steady and good.&#160; Tested this twice, so I&#39;ve either got a wat=
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if; color: #333333;">Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I tho=
ught to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already =
drained.&#160;&#160; I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radia=
tor to let the water out.&#160; Got the plug out, then noticed that not onl=
y the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.&#160; Appar=
ently it&#39;s like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly so=
ldered it in.&#160; This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3.=
 Fluke number three.&#160; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family=
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Terry:
Great story but how nice we can work and diagnose our cars and have helpful a=
dvice from the list while doing it.  I second the at least you got a nice 4 h=
our drive. My 3a is giving up on me after 4 miles I florida heat.  Thought i=
t was Pertronix or something g electrical.  Turns out fuel starvation.  So n=
ow I am goi g to figure out why the fuel bowl on stock pump is full but gas n=
ot getting to carbs when hot.   Vapor lock??  That=E2=80=99s my project for t=
his weekend. =20
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ork and diagnose our cars and have helpful advice from the list while doing i=
t. &nbsp;I second the at least you got a nice 4 hour drive. My 3a is giving u=
p on me after 4 miles I florida heat. &nbsp;Thought it was Pertronix or some=
thing g electrical. &nbsp;Turns out fuel starvation. &nbsp;So now I am goi g=
 to figure out why the fuel bowl on stock pump is full but gas not getting t=
o carbs when hot. &nbsp; Vapor lock?? &nbsp;That=E2=80=99s my project for th=
is weekend. &nbsp;</div><div>Jim Henningsen</div><div>Ocala FL</div><div>60 T=
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I'm aware with some of the newer Pertronix modules u can leave the ignition
on and the unit won't cook. At least for the Stag this is the case.

I grew up in England with a Triumph Toledo and my brother always said not
to keep the ignition on with engine not running. The coil gets super hot.
Still do it today and on my modern car and am now getting my 16 year old to
do the same.

Sujit

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> Terry:
> Great story but how nice we can work and diagnose our cars and have
> helpful advice from the list while doing it.  I second the at least you g=
ot
> a nice 4 hour drive. My 3a is giving up on me after 4 miles I florida
> heat.  Thought it was Pertronix or something g electrical.  Turns out fue=
l
> starvation.  So now I am goi g to figure out why the fuel bowl on stock
> pump is full but gas not getting to carbs when hot.   Vapor lock??  That=
=E2=80=99s
> my project for this weekend.
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 60 TR3
> 61TR3
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8. Hoping deal comes through for this one to complete the family
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic
> ignition, just call me an old pointy head.
> Bill
> tS30800L
>
> stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown th=
e
> testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swappe=
d
> one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattle=
s
> twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke numb=
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> two.
>
>
> Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace bot=
h
> radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  A=
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>I&#39;m aware with some of the newer Pertronix modul=
es u can leave the ignition on and the unit won&#39;t cook. At least for th=
e Stag this is the case.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">I grew up in England with a Triumph Toledo and my brother always sai=
d not to keep the ignition on with engine not running. The coil gets super =
hot. Still do it today and on my modern car and am now getting my 16 year o=
ld to do the same.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>Sujit<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 7:47 AM James Henningsen &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Terry:<div>Great story but ho=
w nice we can work and diagnose our cars and have helpful advice from the l=
ist while doing it.=C2=A0 I second the at least you got a nice 4 hour drive=
. My 3a is giving up on me after 4 miles I florida heat.=C2=A0 Thought it w=
as Pertronix or something g electrical.=C2=A0 Turns out fuel starvation.=C2=
=A0 So now I am goi g to figure out why the fuel bowl on stock pump is full=
 but gas not getting to carbs when hot. =C2=A0 Vapor lock??=C2=A0 That=E2=
=80=99s my project for this weekend. =C2=A0</div><div>Jim Henningsen</div><=
div>Ocala FL</div><div>60 TR3</div><div>61TR3</div><div>62 TR4</div><div>75=
 TR6</div><div>81 TR8. Hoping deal comes through for this one to complete t=
he family=C2=A0<br><br><div id=3D"m_-2497098370999290077AppleMailSignature"=
 dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 25, 2019,=
 at 8:30 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ouch, at least you had a nic=
e 4+ hour drive. =C2=A0 Not a fan of electronic ignition, just call me an o=
ld pointy head.=C2=A0<div>Bill</div><div>tS30800L<br><br><div id=3D"m_-2497=
098370999290077AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">terr=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">

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<p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(51,51,51)">My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, s=
o better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimles=
s drive in the TR3.=C2=A0 I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes,=
 because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.=C2=A0 No cou=
ghing, stumbling, fluttering.=C2=A0 Just total power one minute, complete s=
hutdown the next.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helv=
etica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Towed it ho=
me with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.=C2=A0 No=
 spark out of the plugs.=C2=A0 Good spark out of the coil.=C2=A0 Swapped th=
e Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.=C2=A0 I t=
hink I&#39;m done with electronic ignitions.=C2=A0 I very likely killed the=
 thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.=C2=A0 Flu=
ke number one.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helveti=
ca,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Next I ran it =
up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, =
I noticed it was overheating.=C2=A0 There are no knocks, rattles or grindin=
gs going on.=C2=A0 Oil pressure is steady and good.=C2=A0 Tested this twice=
, so I&#39;ve either got a water pump or thermostat problem.=C2=A0 Fluke nu=
mber two.=C2=A0 </p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Happen to have a new sp=
are water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump=
 while the coolant was already drained.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I got under the car to =
unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.=C2=A0 Got the plug=
 out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housin=
g came out with it.=C2=A0 Apparently it&#39;s like a plug within a plug, on=
e threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.=C2=A0 This is one of the new r=
adiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,5=
1)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-ser=
if;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Gadfrey.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,5=
1)">Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll take i=
t to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of sold=
ered.=C2=A0 At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.=C2=A0=
 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;=
color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helveti=
ca,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A=C2=A0 TS=
 58667<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-s=
erif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">New Hampshire<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;f=
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