Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Wire terminations

From: Stan Foster <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 01:16:26 +0000

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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:53:34 -0600

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I crimp my spade and ring connections.  I got the universal wire stripper/cu=
tter/crimper at Lowe=E2=80=99s, works great.=20
NFI,
Bill

Sent from my Motorola 8000X

On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:23 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hey all ~

Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays and were able to=20
spend some quality time with loved ones....

I've got a new wire harness for my TR3 in hand and was=20
wondering your thoughts for those wires not using bullet=20
connectors, (I'll likely use the bullet crimping tool from=20
British Wire for that). So, for wires requiring spades, rings,=20
etc. do you suggest soldering these terminals or is crimping=20
a better choice? If crimping, what tool have others found to=20
be reliable?

Thanks !!

Dave Friedlander
'74 TR6
'59 TR3A

ash.net

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I crimp my spade and ring connections. &nbs=
p;I got the universal wire stripper/cutter/crimper at Lowe=E2=80=99s, works g=
reat.&nbsp;<div>NFI,</div><div>Bill<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" di=
r=3D"ltr">Sent from my Motorola 8000X</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 7, 20=
19, at 1:23 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Hey all ~</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0000=
99"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Hope everyone enjoyed their holi=
days and were able to&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">spend some qu=
ality time with loved ones....</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:large;color:#000099">I've got a new wire harness for my TR3 in hand=
 and was&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic s=
ans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">wondering your thoughts for=
 those wires <i>not </i>using bullet&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099=
">connectors, (I'll likely use the bullet crimping tool from&nbsp;</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-=
size:large;color:#000099">British Wire for that). So, for wires requiring sp=
ades, rings,&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:co=
mic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">etc. do you suggest so=
ldering these terminals or is crimping&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0000=
99">a better choice? If crimping, what tool have others found to&nbsp;</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:large;color:#000099">be reliable?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099=
"><br>Thanks !!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic=
 sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;=
color:#000099">Dave Friedlander</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">'74 TR6</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-ser=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 06:53:29 -0600

My preference is actually a combination of both techniques.

I remove the pre-formed plastic sleeve (if any), crimp the connector to the
wire, then solder the wire to the connector where it protruded from the
crimp (on the other side from the body of the wire).

The crimp provides a solid mechanical connection, that is less likely to
break under sustained vibration.  (Otherwise, the individual strands tend to
break at the surface of the solder.)

The solder provides a gas tight joint, so air cannot get in and oxidize the
copper over time.  If you've ever stripped old wire, you can see that the
copper wire has turned dark inside, even many feet inside the insulation.
That brown "old penny" color is copper oxide, which is a poor conductor
(technically, it's a semi-conductor).  Once a little bit of oxidation creeps
in, the joint starts getting hot under load, which of course aggravates the
problem.

The same thing can happen with a crimped joint.  Ideally, the crimp should
be tight enough that there is a strip of gas tight joint along each strand;
but that doesn't always work out in practice.  Solder provides gas-tight all
the way around, and you can see when it hasn't properly bonded with the
copper ("cold" solder joint).

Then add heat-shrink tubing to protect the joint and prevent vibration.

Believe it or not; my favorite crimp tool is from Horrible Freight:
https://www.harborfreight.com/9-1-2-half-inch-wire-crimping-tool-36411.html
However, I feel it's important to check them out before buying, to be sure
there is no slop in the joint, and that the jaws meet correctly in the
U-shaped crimp section.  I looked at a half dozen in my local store and they
were all slightly different.

PS, I also prefer solder over crimp for bullet connectors.  But it's
important IMO to select a bullet that fits snugly over the wire you are
using.  I've even been known to drill out a smaller id bullet to suit AWG
size wire.

-- Randall

> I've got a new wire harness for my TR3 in hand and was 
> wondering your thoughts for those wires not using bullet 
> connectors, (I'll likely use the bullet crimping tool from 
> British Wire for that). So, for wires requiring spades, rings, 
> etc. do you suggest soldering these terminals or is crimping 
> a better choice? If crimping, what tool have others found to  
> be reliable?

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From: "dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:24:37 -0600

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I purchased a crimper from british wiring.  I=E2=80=99ve used it at =
least a zillion times in the last decade.  Tool is still in great shape =
and 99% of my crimps are too.

Can=E2=80=99t do bullet connectors =E2=80=93 have to purchase a separate =
tool for that.  But I=E2=80=99ve done rings, spades, and all sorts of =
other crimps

On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:23 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked] =

Hey all ~

=20

=20

be reliable?

Thanks !!

=20

Dave Friedlander

'74 TR6

'59 TR3A

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=E2=80=93 have to purchase a separate tool for that.=C2=A0 But =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays and were =
able to&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
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MS";color:#000099'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>I've got a new wire harness for my TR3 in hand =
and was&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#000099'>wondering your thoughts for those wires <i>not =
</i>using bullet&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>connectors, (I'll likely use the bullet crimping =
tool from&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>British Wire for that). So, for wires requiring =
spades, rings,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>etc. do you suggest soldering these terminals or =
is crimping&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>a better choice? If crimping, what tool have =
others found to&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>be reliable?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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TR6<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Just for the sake of discussion, crimping has some sub-options.  One, coat =
the terminal wire with dialetric first to make it corrosion resistant. Opti=
on two, tin the wire before crimping onto it, also to make it corrosion res=
istant.  Like others, I prefer to solder the connector to the wire when I c=
an.=20

> On January 8, 2019 at 10:24 AM dave <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>     I purchased a crimper from british wiring.  I=E2=80=99ve used it at l=
east a zillion times in the last decade.  Tool is still in great shape and =
99% of my crimps are too.
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>     Can=E2=80=99t do bullet connectors =E2=80=93 have to purchase a separ=
ate tool for that.  But I=E2=80=99ve done rings, spades, and all sorts of o=
ther crimps
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9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans =
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</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #000099;">etc. do yo=
u suggest soldering these terminals or is crimping&#160; </span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 18.0pt; =
font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #000099;">a better choice? If crimping=
, what tool have others found to&#160; </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox=
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c Sans MS'; color: #000099;">be reliable? </span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
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I typically crimp them and apply a bit of solder as well. I use the =
bullet crimping tool from British Wire and also their crimping tool for =
spade connectors

http://www.britishwiring.com/Ratcheting-Crimping-Tool-for-Terminals-p/pr4=
.htm

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Keith Stewart

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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: January 7, 2019 2:23 PM
To: New England Triumphs <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs =
<[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] Wire terminations

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Hey all ~

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be reliable?

Thanks !!

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crimp them and apply a bit of solder as well. I use the bullet crimping =
tool from British Wire and also their crimping tool for spade =
connectors<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"http://www.britishwiring.com/Ratcheting-Crimping-Tool-for-Termina=
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> David Friedlander &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> January 7, 2019 2:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> New England =
Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Wire =
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Sans MS";color:#000099'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays and were =
able to&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#000099'>spend some quality time with loved =
ones....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#000099'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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and was&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#000099'>wondering your thoughts for those wires <i>not =
</i>using bullet&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
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tool from&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>British Wire for that). So, for wires requiring =
spades, rings,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#000099'>etc. do you suggest soldering these terminals or =
is crimping&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
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I used to like to pre-tin crimped connections, but have since learned it is
not really a good idea.  The problem is that solder can "cold flow".  The
solder will actuall move away from the crimp and cause the joint to loosen
over time.  Crimping, done properly is good.  Solder is also good, but I
would not recommend both.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:50 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Just for the sake of discussion, crimping has some sub-options.  One, coa=
t
> the terminal wire with dialetric first to make it corrosion resistant.
> Option two, tin the wire before crimping onto it, also to make it corrosi=
on
> resistant.  Like others, I prefer to solder the connector to the wire whe=
n
> I can.
> I purchased a crimper from british wiring.  I=E2=80=99ve used it at least=
 a
> zillion times in the last decade.  Tool is still in great shape and 99% o=
f
> my crimps are too.
tool for that.
> But I=E2=80=99ve done rings, spades, and all sorts of other crimps
>
>
> Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays and were able to
>
> wondering your thoughts for those wires *not *using bullet
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I used to like to pre-tin crimped connections, but have si=
nce learned it is not really a good idea.=C2=A0 The problem is that solder =
can &quot;cold flow&quot;.=C2=A0 The solder will actuall move away from the=
 crimp and cause the joint to loosen over time.=C2=A0 Crimping, done proper=
ly is good.=C2=A0 Solder is also good, but I would not recommend both.<br><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at=
 4:50 PM TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">terryrs@com=
cast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><u></u>

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<div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(51,51,51)">Just for the sake of discussion, crimping has some sub-opt=
ions.=C2=A0 One, coat the terminal wire with dialetric first to make it cor=
rosion resistant. Option two, tin the wire before crimping onto it, also to=
 make it corrosion resistant.=C2=A0 Like others, I prefer to solder the con=
nector to the wire when I can.=C2=A0 <br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On J=
anuary 8, 2019 at 10:24 AM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D"gmail=
-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-WordSection1"><p class=3D"gmail-m_-128=
9517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">I pur=
chased a crimper from british wiring.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve used it at least a=
 zillion times in the last decade.=C2=A0 Tool is still in great shape and 9=
9% of my crimps are too.</p><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-4898=
7b9086-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Can=E2=80=99t do bullet conn=
ectors =E2=80=93 have to purchase a separate tool for that.=C2=A0 But I=E2=
=80=99ve done rings, spades, and all sorts of other crimps</p><p class=3D"g=
mail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:=
12pt"><br>On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:23 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
/p><div><div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;=
;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Hey all ~ </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1=
289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)"> =C2=A0 </span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:=
rgb(0,0,153)">Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays and were able to=C2=A0 <=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&qu=
ot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">spend some quality time with loved ones.... </span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,153)"> =C2=A0 </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-128951=
7921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">I&#39;ve got a new wire =
harness for my TR3 in hand and was=C2=A0 </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">wondering=
 your thoughts for those wires <em>not </em>using bullet=C2=A0 </span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:r=
gb(0,0,153)">connectors, (I&#39;ll likely use the bullet crimping tool from=
=C2=A0 </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-489=
87b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sa=
ns MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">British Wire for that). So, for wires requi=
ring spades, rings,=C2=A0 </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-128951=
7921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">etc. do you suggest sold=
ering these terminals or is crimping=C2=A0 </span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">a bet=
ter choice? If crimping, what tool have others found to=C2=A0 </span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rg=
b(0,0,153)">be reliable? </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517=
921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br>Thanks !! </span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:=
rgb(0,0,153)"> =C2=A0 </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921=
940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family=
:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave Friedlander </span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-1289517921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:=
rgb(0,0,153)">&#39;74 TR6 </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"gmail-m_-128951=
7921940502717ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">&#39;59 TR3A </span></p>=
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??  you never crimp to a tinned (soldered) wire end. The crimp can 
deform and will not hold.
for 'LBC's'  flux wire end, crimp, then solder then heat shrink as 
appropriate to give the joint some mechanical assist (and further 
electrical isolation.

all this can be quite subjective. The ysay never rely on solder as the 
electrical connection. It's only meant to retain the mechanical 
connection of the electrical contact. point.

Yet on my UAVs, (and older RC cars) its quite common to only solder blob 
the end of 14/16awg wires to the ckt board pads which pass 40+ amps 
without melt-down of massive losses. The battery leads are 'wire in 
connector pin cup' soldered and can see 200 amp sustained currents!

...can be a bit scary (relying on such a contact) when you've got $3K to 
$20K worth of craft and cameras relying on that power connection.

So my own opinion (and experiences)  dielectric grease the end of the 
wire, insert in terminal and crimp. Don't smash it,  .....and use two 
strokes across the crimp (two dimples)

ptegler

On 1/8/2019 3:05 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:

> Just for the sake of discussion, crimping has some sub-options.  One, 
> coat the terminal wire with dialetric first to make it corrosion 
> resistant. Option two, tin the wire before crimping onto it, also to 
> make it corrosion resistant.  Like others, I prefer to solder the 
> connector to the wire when I can.
>
>> I purchased a crimper from british wiring.  I’ve used it at least a 
>> zillion times in the last decade.  Tool is still in great shape and 
>> Can’t do bullet connectors – have to purchase a separate tool for 
>> that.  But I’ve done rings, spades, and all sorts of other crimps
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:23 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked] 
>>
>> Hey all ~
>>
>> wondering your thoughts for those wires /not /using bullet
>>
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    <p>??  you never crimp to a tinned (soldered) wire end. The crimp
      can deform and will not hold.<br>
      for 'LBC's'  flux wire end, crimp, then solder then heat shrink as
      appropriate to give the joint some mechanical assist (and further
      electrical isolation.</p>
    <p>all this can be quite subjective. The ysay never rely on solder
      as the electrical connection. It's only meant to retain the
      mechanical connection of the electrical contact. point.</p>
    <p>Yet on my UAVs, (and older RC cars) its quite common to only
      solder blob the end of 14/16awg wires to the ckt board pads which
      pass 40+ amps without melt-down of massive losses. The battery
      leads are 'wire in connector pin cup' soldered and can see 200 amp
      sustained currents!</p>
    <p>...can be a bit scary (relying on such a contact) when you've got
      $3K to $20K worth of craft and cameras relying on that power
      connection.</p>
    <p>So my own opinion (and experiences)  dielectric grease the end of
      the wire, insert in terminal and crimp. Don't smash it,  .....and
      use two strokes across the crimp (two dimples)<br>
    </p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>On 1/8/2019 3:05 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br>
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      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Just for the sake of
        discussion, crimping has some sub-options.  One, coat the
        terminal wire with dialetric first to make it corrosion
        resistant. Option two, tin the wire before crimping onto it,
        also to make it corrosion resistant.  Like others, I prefer to
        solder the connector to the wire when I can.  <br>
      </p>
      <blockquote type="cite">On January 8, 2019 at 10:24 AM dave
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: <br>
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          <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
            12.0pt;">I purchased a crimper from british wiring.  I’ve
            used it at least a zillion times in the last decade.  Tool
            is still in great shape and 99% of my crimps are too.</p>
          <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
            12.0pt;">Can’t do bullet connectors – have to purchase a
            separate tool for that.  But I’ve done rings, spades, and
            all sorts of other crimps</p>
          <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
            12.0pt;"><br>
            On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:23 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a
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                    loved ones.... </span></p>
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                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">   </span></p>
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                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">I've got a new wire harness
                    for my TR3 in hand and was  </span></p>
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                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">wondering your thoughts for
                    those wires <em>not </em>using bullet  </span></p>
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                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">connectors, (I'll likely use
                    the bullet crimping tool from  </span></p>
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                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">British Wire for that). So,
                    for wires requiring spades, rings,  </span></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">etc. do you suggest soldering
                    these terminals or is crimping  </span></p>
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                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
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                    what tool have others found to  </span></p>
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                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
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                    Thanks !! </span></p>
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I agree with others on the pros and cons of crimping vs. soldering. The bot=
tom line for me is if either is done right, they will be fine. I used to us=
e a basic crimping tool and had to throw away have my lugs. I decided to pu=
rchase a high quality tool and have had great crimps since. Here's the one =
I bought on Amazon. It comes with multiple jaws to work on many different l=
ug types. I'm sure there are other brands that work just as well and probab=
ly others that work better. But I found this was money well spent.

https://www.amazon.com/Astro-9477-Professional-Interchangeable-Tool/dp/B004=
5CUMLQ/ref=3Dsr_1_4_acs_ac_3<https://smile.amazon.com/Astro-9477-Profession=
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=3D1546990699&sr=3D8-4-acs&keywords=3Dwire+crimping+tool>

Joel...

________________________________
From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:23 AM
To: New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs
Subject: [TR] Wire terminations

Hey all ~

Thanks !!

Dave Friedlander
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rchase a high quality tool and have
 had great crimps since. Here's the one I bought on Amazon. It comes with m=
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I've got a new wire harness for my TR3 in hand and was&nbsp;</div>
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connectors, (I'll likely use the bullet crimping tool from&nbsp;</div>
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British Wire for that). So, for wires requiring spades, rings,&nbsp;</div>
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 03:29:50 -0600

> I used to like to pre-tin crimped connections, but have since 
> learned it is not really a good idea.  The problem is that 
> solder can "cold flow".  The solder will actuall move away 
> from the crimp and cause the joint to loosen over time.  
> Crimping, done properly is good.  Solder is also good, but I 

FWIW, that's part of the sequence I gave (and use).  Do the crimp first,
then only solder the tip of the wire where it sticks out on the other side.
You don't want to use so much heat that the solder wicks all the way through
the crimp joint.  This also ducks the problem where the surface of the
solder forms a stress riser that will concentrate any vibration and cause
the wire strands to break.

> The ysay never rely on solder as the electrical connection. It's only
meant to retain the mechanical connection
> of the electrical contact. point.

I was taught exactly the opposite: solder is an electrical joint not a
mechanical joint.

-- Randall

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From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:23:33 -0500

We're saying the same thing Randall, ...solder IS the prime contact to 
make the electrical connection. One would not rely on just a bent 
resistor lead through  a circuit board hole to retain it's electrical 
connection without soldering it.

ptegler

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From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:55:39 -0500

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I do love this list. After over 20 yrs, I still pull some nuggets.

Forever (it seems), I had to solder tips of wires in bullet connectors as
any attempt to crimp, just broke the barrel of the connector.  Having my
own opinions on solder vs crimp, I made the best of it by cleaning the
pointy end of the connector, stripping 1/4 inch of wire and inserting
through the hole, then solder. That left the standed wire flexible when it
exited the barrel.

Crimping seems much simpler...  Now I know where to find crimpable bullets!

This will be handy as the DPO cut a perfectly good harness up during his
dissamembly of both TR3s I recently purchased. I dont think he knew what or
how bullet connectors worked.

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<div dir=3D"auto">I do love this list. After over 20 yrs, I still pull some=
 nuggets.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Forever (it seems), =
I had to solder tips of wires in bullet connectors as any attempt to crimp,=
 just broke the barrel of the connector.=C2=A0 Having my own opinions on so=
lder vs crimp, I made the best of it by cleaning the pointy end of the conn=
ector, stripping 1/4 inch of wire and inserting through the hole, then sold=
er. That left the standed wire flexible when it exited the barrel.=C2=A0</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Crimping seems much simple=
r...=C2=A0 Now I know where to find crimpable bullets!</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This will be handy as the DPO cut a perfectl=
y good harness up during his dissamembly of both TR3s I recently purchased.=
 I dont think he knew what or how bullet connectors worked.</div></div>

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:39:20 +0000 (UTC)

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 I can't count how many times that has allowed a PCB assembly to pass test =
just to fail in the field.
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From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]>
To: Randall <[email-masked]>
Cc: 'TR3 Triumphs' <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2019 6:59 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Wire terminations

We're saying the same thing Randall, ...solder IS the prime contact to=20
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From: Paul Tegler &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: 'TR3 Triumphs' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2019 6:59 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Wire terminations<br>
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