Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code

From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:41:55 -0700

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James -

Yes, a real paint code would be the best - but FWIW I use Dupli-Color's Hi
Temp Detroit Diesel Alpine Green Engine Enamel::
Has the advantage of being somewhat fuel proof (useful since the filter
sits right below the fuel pump).

Here is the original color on mine (64 TR4).  The dollar is there so you
can take a buck out of your wallet and color-adjust for your terminal:

Geo

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 10:01 PM James Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter
> canister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale
> green.  Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.   Thanks to any
> concours experts out there.
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">James -<div><br></div><div>Yes, a real paint code would be=
 the best - but FWIW I use Dupli-Color&#39;s=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(=
51,51,51);font-family:Aileron,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sa=
ns-serif;letter-spacing:-0.05rem">Hi Temp Detroit Diesel Alpine Green Engin=
e Enamel::</span></div><div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_jqzcmpsl0" alt=3D"image=
.png" width=3D"400" height=3D"400" style=3D"margin-right: 0px;"><br></div><=
/div><div>Has the advantage of being somewhat fuel proof (useful since the =
filter sits right below the fuel pump).</div><div><br></div><div>Here is th=
e original color on mine (64 TR4).=C2=A0 The dollar is there so you can tak=
e a buck out of your wallet and color-adjust for your terminal:</div><div><=
br></div><div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_jqzcshcq1" alt=3D"oil filter canister=
.JPG" width=3D"340" height=3D"340"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Geo<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 15, =
2019 at 10:01 PM James Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex">Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962=
 TR4 oil filter canister housing.=C2=A0 TRA judging manual says ice blue th=
at patinas to a pale green.=C2=A0 Looking for a color code I can give my pa=
int shop.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>
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Ocala FL<br>
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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:16:27 -0600

Jim,
I used Valspar’s Peacock Blue, looks pretty right when compared to older pictures.  I’ll send you a photo offline.  
Someone a long time back told me there is a ‘57 Thunderbird color that is a good match too, but I never chased it down. 
Bill

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Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale green.  Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.   Thanks to any concours experts out there. 
Jim Henningsen 
Ocala FL

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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:09:11 -0600

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The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter
canister housings a few years ago.
https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/

Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about
his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that
S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied
than getting details "right" around shade.

The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it
subjects around our cars.

Don
1962 TR3B TSF202L

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread o=
n the subject of oil filter canister housings a few years ago.<div><a href=
=3D"https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-=
bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filt=
er-bowl/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Note especially the comments by o=
ur late, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots of variat=
ions and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more worried about=
 keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting details &quot;right&q=
uot; around shade.</div><div><br></div><div>The thread has some useful info=
, but this is one of those don&#39;t-sweat-it subjects around our cars.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B TSF202L</div></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 P=
M James Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
">Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter=
 canister housing.=C2=A0 TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a=
 pale green.=C2=A0 Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>
Jim Henningsen <br>
Ocala FL<br>
<br>
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From: James Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:51:55 -0500

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Thank you and all that responded. Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2019, at 3:09 PM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canis=
ter housings a few years ago.
> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bow=
l/
>=20
> Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about h=
is experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that S=
-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied tha=
n getting details "right" around shade.
>=20
> The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it s=
ubjects around our cars.
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> Don
> 1962 TR3B TSF202L
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>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>> Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter=
 canister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale g=
reen.  Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.   Thanks to any co=
ncours experts out there.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thank you and all that responded. Jim<br><b=
r><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 16, 2019, at 3:09 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter caniste=
r housings a few years ago.<div><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.co.uk/for=
ums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/f=
orums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/</a><br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about=
 his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that=
 S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied t=
han getting details "right" around shade.</div><div><br></div><div>The threa=
d has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects aro=
und our cars.</div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B TSF202L</div>=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 15, 2=
019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tr=
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yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex">Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 o=
il filter canister housing.&nbsp; TRA judging manual says ice blue that pati=
nas to a pale green.&nbsp; Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop=
.&nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>
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Ocala FL<br>
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From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
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The remaining paint on my Tr2 oil filter housing was decidedly lighter than
the dollar bill comparison. It seemed quite similar to the ice blue but a
bit more blueish....

Sent from my TRASH-80

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<div dir=3D"auto">The remaining paint on my Tr2 oil filter housing was deci=
dedly lighter than the dollar bill comparison. It seemed quite similar to t=
he ice blue but a bit more blueish....=C2=A0<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"=
gmail_signature">Sent from my TRASH-80</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:32 PM Don Hiscock &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">The TR R=
egister (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister housi=
ngs a few years ago.<div><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/in=
dex.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bow=
l/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Note especially the comments by our lat=
e, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots of variations a=
nd the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more worried about keepi=
ng lines going and spares supplied than getting details &quot;right&quot; a=
round shade.</div><div><br></div><div>The thread has some useful info, but =
this is one of those don&#39;t-sweat-it subjects around our cars.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B TSF202L</div></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM Jame=
s Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
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b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Anyone have a source for correct paint col=
or on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing.=C2=A0 TRA judging manual =
says ice blue that patinas to a pale green.=C2=A0 Looking for a color code =
I can give my paint shop.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks to any concours experts out th=
ere. <br>
Jim Henningsen <br>
Ocala FL<br>
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If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in=
, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue=
 (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D

I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.=20

Cheers,
Bill

On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:

The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter caniste=
r housings a few years ago.
https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/=

Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about hi=
s experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-=
T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than=
 getting details "right" around shade.

The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it sub=
jects around our cars.

Don
1962 TR3B TSF202L

> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
> Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter c=
anister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale gr=
een.  Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.   Thanks to any con=
cours experts out there.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=
=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9C=
The canister is painted ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale=
 green caste with age.=E2=80=9D<div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99ll stick with m=
y Valspar Peacock Blue.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Bil=
l<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my Motorola 80=
00X</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">The TR Regi=
ster (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister housings a=
 few years ago.<div><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.ph=
p?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.=
php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Note espe=
cially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his experie=
nce with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a l=
ot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting d=
etails "right" around shade.</div><div><br></div><div>The thread has some us=
eful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects around our cars.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B TSF202L</div></div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01=
 PM James Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">trguy75@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
>Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter c=
anister housing.&nbsp; TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pa=
le green.&nbsp; Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.&nbsp; &nb=
sp;Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>
Jim Henningsen <br>
Ocala FL<br>
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Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.=20
Bill

On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote:

Cheers,
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Judging guide Reference Sh=
ould be TRA, my oversight.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bill</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, <a href=3D"mai=
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ttp-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">If y=E2=80=
=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the VTR J=
udging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (specific c=
olor unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D<div><br></di=
v><div>I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.&nbsp;</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Bill<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my Motor=
ola 8000X</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">The TR=
 Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister hous=
ings a few years ago.<div><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/in=
dex.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/=
index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Not=
e especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his e=
xperience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-T w=
ere a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than ge=
tting details "right" around shade.</div><div><br></div><div>The thread has s=
ome useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects around our=
 cars.</div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B TSF202L</div></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at=
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"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex">Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil fi=
lter canister housing.&nbsp; TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas t=
o a pale green.&nbsp; Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.&nbs=
p; &nbsp;Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>
Jim Henningsen <br>
Ocala FL<br>
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Bill:
I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb l=
ine for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the car.  The tr=
ick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match that would be a=
cceptable to judges.  My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours b=
ut to faithfully recreate the car as it was born.  I am not interested in tr=
ophies.  Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it ha=
rd to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars.=
 I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that exp=
erts in TRA think correct.  Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an early=
 TR4at the last TRA event.  Does anyone have any detailed photos of that car=
 they could share.  The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a gr=
eat reputation. =20
Thanks so much,
Jim Henningsen

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Bill:<div>I have the TRA judging guide for t=
he TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restoration going bac=
k to 2010 when I purchased the car. &nbsp;The trick is what to tell the auto=
 paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to judges. &nbsp;=
My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfully recre=
ate the car as it was born. &nbsp;I am not interested in trophies. &nbsp;Ove=
r the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get in=
fo from the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d=
 love to know more specifics on the color and or source that experts in TRA t=
hink correct. &nbsp;Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an early TR4at t=
he last TRA event. &nbsp;Does anyone have any detailed photos of that car th=
ey could share. &nbsp;The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a g=
reat reputation. &nbsp;</div><div>Thanks so much,</div><div>Jim Henningsen<b=
r><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jan 1=
6, 2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
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ence Should be TRA, my oversight.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bill</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wbee=
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<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">If y=
=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, th=
e VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (sp=
ecific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D<div>=
<br></div><div>I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.&nbsp;</div><=
div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Bill<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from m=
y Motorola 8000X</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don H=
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>The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canist=
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rums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/=
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In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings in =
yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common ide=
ntifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked in en=
gine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to disting=
uish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a N=
orth America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know man=
y others have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they =
were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting the =
block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR =
have extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if t=
hey weren=E2=80=99t there.

Cheers, Jonmac

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n
Sent: 17 January 2019 12:31
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code

Bill:

I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb=
 line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the car.  The=
 trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match that would=
 be acceptable to judges.  My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a conc=
ours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was born.  I am not intereste=
d in trophies.  Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes fou=
nd it hard to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of th=
ese cars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or sourc=
e that experts in TRA think correct.  Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage h=
ad an early TR4at the last TRA event.  Does anyone have any detailed photos=
 of that car they could share.  The few I saw looked magnificent and they h=
ave such a great reputation.  

Thanks so much,

Jim Henningsen

Sent from my iPad

Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight. 

Bill

If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh i=
n, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice bl=
ue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=
=9D

I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue. 

Cheers,

Bill

=[email-masked]> > wrote:

The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canist=
er housings a few years ago.

https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl=
/

Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about h=
is experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that =
S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied t=
han getting details "right" around shade.

The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it su=
bjects around our cars.

Don

1962 TR3B TSF202L

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <[email-masked] <mailt=
o:[email-masked]> > wrote:

Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter c=
anister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale g=
reen.  Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.   Thanks to any c=
oncours experts out there. 
Jim Henningsen 
Ocala FL

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pan style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In the rebuild of=
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hinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common identifiers used at =
the factory that were understood by those who worked in engine assembly =E2=
=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to distinguish the machined=
 but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a North America spec=
 car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know many others have enc=
ountered them years later and wondered what the hell they were. Being anxio=
us to replicate what had been there after re-painting the block, they repla=
ced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks =
in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=
=99t there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fa=
reast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, Jonmac<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
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=2Enet&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 20=
19 12:31<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs &lt;triumphs=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code<o:p></o:p></span=
></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal>Bill:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have the TRA judging g=
uide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restoratio=
n going back to 2010 when I purchased the car. &nbsp;The trick is what to t=
ell the auto paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to j=
udges. &nbsp;My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to fa=
ithfully recreate the car as it was born. &nbsp;I am not interested in trop=
hies. &nbsp;Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found i=
t hard to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these =
cars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source th=
at experts in TRA think correct. &nbsp;Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage =
had an early TR4at the last TRA event. &nbsp;Does anyone have any detailed =
photos of that car they could share. &nbsp;The few I saw looked magnificent=
 and they have such a great reputation. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks so much,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jim Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><div id=3D=
AppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 16, =
2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my =
oversight.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM=
, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cau=
thority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe=
 canister is painted ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale g=
reen caste with age.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ll stick with my =
Valspar Peacock Blue.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bill<o:p></o:=
p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my Motorola 8000X<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 16=
, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal>The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject =
of oil filter canister housings a few years ago.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/to=
pic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?=
/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Note especially t=
he comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience wit=
h lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot mo=
re worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting detai=
ls &quot;right&quot; around shade.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The thread has s=
ome useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects around ou=
r cars.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Don<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal>1962 TR3B TSF202L<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, Jan 15, 2019=
 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">trgu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'borde=
r:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-lef=
t:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone have a source for cor=
rect paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing.&nbsp; TRA j=
udging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale green.&nbsp; Looking for=
 a color code I can give my paint shop.&nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks to any concours =
experts out there. <br>Jim Henningsen <br>Ocala FL<br><br><br>Sent from my =
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I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild durin=
g restoration.

I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack lo=
ok for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours judging -=
 and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew what they meant or why t=
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Cheers,
Jack Mc

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 yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common ide=
ntifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked in eng=
ine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to distingui=
sh the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a Nort=
h America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know many ot=
hers have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they were.=
 Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting the block,=
 they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have ex=
tra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they were=
n=E2=80=99t there.
> =20
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> =20
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> I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plum=
b line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the car.  The=
 trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match that would b=
e acceptable to judges.  My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concour=
s but to faithfully recreate the car as it was born.  I am not interested in=
 trophies.  Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it=
 hard to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these ca=
rs. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that e=
xperts in TRA think correct.  Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an ear=
ly TR4at the last TRA event.  Does anyone have any detailed photos of that c=
ar they could share.  The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a g=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I have those markings on my TR6 block - rea=
pplied after engine rebuild during restoration.<div><br></div><div>I can=E2=80=
=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack look for thes=
e markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours judging - and I=E2=80=
=99ve never heard anybody say they knew what they meant or why they are ther=
e.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Jack Mc<br><br><div id=3D=
"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
>On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john.maca=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Typ=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:EN-US">In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure mark=
ings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were com=
mon identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked=
 in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to di=
stinguish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for=
 a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know m=
any others have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they=
 were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting the b=
lock, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR ha=
ve extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they=
 weren=E2=80=99t there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers, Jonmac<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:sol=
id #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2019 12:31=
<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><=
b>Cc:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Bill:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have the TRA judg=
ing guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restor=
ation going back to 2010 when I purchased the car. &nbsp;The trick is what t=
o tell the auto paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to=
 judges. &nbsp;My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to f=
aithfully recreate the car as it was born. &nbsp;I am not interested in trop=
hies. &nbsp;Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it=
 hard to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these ca=
rs. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that e=
xperts in TRA think correct. &nbsp;Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had a=
n early TR4at the last TRA event. &nbsp;Does anyone have any detailed photos=
 of that car they could share. &nbsp;The few I saw looked magnificent and th=
ey have such a great reputation. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Thanks so much,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jim Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><div id=3D"AppleM=
ailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jan 16, 201=
9, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my overs=
ight.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, <=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthor=
ity=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe cani=
ster is painted ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green c=
aste with age.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Vals=
par Peacock Blue.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Bill<o:p></o:p=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my Motorola 8000X<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jan 1=
6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject o=
f oil filter canister housings a few years ago.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic=
/44252-oil-filter-bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/top=
ic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note especially the=
 comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with l=
ots of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more w=
orried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting details "r=
ight" around shade.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The thread has some useful in=
fo, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects around our cars.<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Don<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">196=
2 TR3B TSF202L<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:0=
1 PM James Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">trguy75@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;bor=
der-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;mar=
gin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyone have a source for correct paint=
 color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing.&nbsp; TRA judging manu=
al says ice blue that patinas to a pale green.&nbsp; Looking for a color cod=
e I can give my paint shop.&nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks to any concours experts out t=
here. <br>Jim Henningsen <br>Ocala FL<br><br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br>** <=
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I never noticed china marking on my block, John, but I did have marshalling
paint on my block that seems to show that my TR3B's engine (April 1962)
might have been confused with a concurrent TR4.  The orange paint appears
to have been changed, possibly to TR3 from TR4.  As it's a TSF-series 3B,
it never had a TR4 engine -- those were the TCF-series cars.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-s7fQdqL/0/8e6fdfa9/X3/i-s7fQdqL-X3.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8JLFjcP/0/053a1b23/X3/i-8JLFjcP-X3.jpg

BR,

Don
1962 TR3B TSF202L

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 9:49 AM John Macartney <[email-masked]=
k>
wrote:

> Jim
>
>
>
> In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings i=
n
> yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common
> identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked =
in
> engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to dis=
tinguish
> the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a Nort=
h
> America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know many
> others have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they
> were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting th=
e
> block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VT=
R have
> extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they=
 weren=E2=80=99t
> there.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Jonmac
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Henningsen
> *Sent:* 17 January 2019 12:31
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Cc:* Triumphs <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Paint code
>
>
>
> Bill:
>
> I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my
> plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the
> car.  The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match
> that would be acceptable to judges.  My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyo=
ne in a
> concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was born.  I am not
> interested in trophies.  Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have
> sometimes found it hard to get info from the expert judges and respected
> restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the c=
olor and
> or source that experts in TRA think correct.  Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99=
s Garage
> had an early TR4at the last TRA event.  Does anyone have any detailed
> photos of that car they could share.  The few I saw looked magnificent an=
d
> they have such a great reputation.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Jim Henningsen
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh=
 in, the VTR Judging
> Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (specific colo=
r unknown)
> which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bo=
wl/
> his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment th=
at
> canister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pal=
e
> green.  Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.   Thanks to an=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I never noticed china ma=
rking on my block, John, but I did have marshalling paint on my block that =
seems to show that my TR3B&#39;s engine (April 1962) might have been confus=
ed with a concurrent TR4.=C2=A0 The orange paint appears to have been chang=
ed, possibly to TR3 from TR4.=C2=A0 As it&#39;s a TSF-series 3B, it never h=
ad a TR4 engine -- those were the TCF-series cars.<div><br></div><div><a hr=
ef=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-s7fQdqL/0/8e6fdfa9/X3/i-s7fQdqL-X=
3.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-s7fQdqL/0/8e6fdfa9/X3/i-s7fQdqL-=
X3.jpg</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8JL=
FjcP/0/053a1b23/X3/i-8JLFjcP-X3.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8J=
LFjcP/0/053a1b23/X3/i-8JLFjcP-X3.jpg</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>BR,</=
div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B TSF202L</div></div></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at=
 9:49 AM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB"><div class=3D"gmail-m_1384=
603037421492673WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Jim<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span>In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find=
 any obscure markings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine blo=
ck? These were common identifiers used at the factory that were understood =
by those who worked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily=
, the mark was to distinguish the machined but unassembled block as being a=
n ultimate engine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had thes=
e marks but I do know many others have encountered them years later and won=
dered what the hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what had been the=
re after re-painting the block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very=
 surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 =
or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t there.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span>Cheers, Jonmac<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none=
;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);=
padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</=
span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-boun=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2019 12:31=
<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">wbeech=
@flash.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [TR] Paint code<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill:<u></u><u></u><=
/p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and=
 have been using it as my plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010=
 when I purchased the car.=C2=A0 The trick is what to tell the auto paint s=
tore for a color to match that would be acceptable to judges.=C2=A0 My goal=
 isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfully recreate th=
e car as it was born.=C2=A0 I am not interested in trophies.=C2=A0 Over the=
 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get info f=
rom the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d lo=
ve to know more specifics on the color and or source that experts in TRA th=
ink correct.=C2=A0 Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an early TR4at t=
he last TRA event.=C2=A0 Does anyone have any detailed photos of that car t=
hey could share.=C2=A0 The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such =
a great reputation. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Thanks so much,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Jim Henningsen<u></u><u></u></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_=
1384603037421492673AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my =
iPad<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12pt"><br>On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@fl=
ash.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM=
, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If y=E2=
=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the =
VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (spe=
cific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D<u></=
u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Bill<u></u><u></u></p><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my Motorola 8000X<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><br>On Jan 16, 2=
019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The TR Register (UK) forum had a th=
read on the subject of oil filter canister housings a few years ago.<u></u>=
<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.c=
o.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/</a=
><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note especially the comments by our lat=
e, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots of variations a=
nd the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more worried about keepi=
ng lines going and spares supplied than getting details &quot;right&quot; a=
round shade.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The thread has some useful =
info, but this is one of those don&#39;t-sweat-it subjects around our cars.=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
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=3D"MsoNormal">1962 TR3B TSF202L<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On=
 Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trguy=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u><=
/u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-=
bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;=
margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyone have a so=
urce for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing.=
=C2=A0 TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale green.=C2=A0=
 Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks to a=
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
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Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one knows! In fact, I doubt t=
he majority of people at the factory did either:)

Cheers, John

Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild dur=
ing restoration.
>=20
> I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack l=
ook for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours judging=
 - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew what they meant or why=
 they are there.=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>>=20
>> Jim
>> =20
n yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common id=
entifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked in en=
gine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to distingu=
ish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a Nor=
th America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know many o=
thers have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they were=
. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting the block=
, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have e=
xtra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they wer=
en=E2=80=99t there.
>> =20
>> Cheers, Jonmac
>> =20
>> From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jim Henning=
sen
>> I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plu=
mb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the car.  Th=
e trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match that would=
 be acceptable to judges.  My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a conco=
urs but to faithfully recreate the car as it was born.  I am not interested i=
n trophies.  Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found i=
t hard to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these c=
ars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that=
 experts in TRA think correct.  Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an e=
arly TR4at the last TRA event.  Does anyone have any detailed photos of that=
 car they could share.  The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a=
 great reputation. =20
>> If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh=
 in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice b=
lue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D=

>> The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter cani=
ster housings a few years ago.
wl/
>> =20
>> Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thing is Jack, that this far down the track=
, no one knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at the factory did e=
ither:)<div><br></div><div>Cheers, John<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature=
" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 17 Jan 2019, at=
 17:50, Jack McGahey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">McGaheyRx@aol.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I ha=
ve those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild during re=
storation.<div><br></div><div>I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say=
 that neither VTR or 6-pack look for these markings, or deduct for their abs=
ence, during Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say the=
y knew what they meant or why they are there.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div=
>Cheers,</div><div>Jack Mc<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr"=
>Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jo=
hn Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">john.macart=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
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Sorry, but no marks.  Previous owner painted the block.  Jim

Sent from my iPad

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Sorry, but no marks. &nbsp;Previous owner p=
ainted the block. &nbsp;Jim<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from m=
y iPad</div><div><br>On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:46:30 -0600

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Here's an image of the Coventry assembly line taken by a member of the tour
group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of Europe for new owners who took their
delivery at the factory and toured the Continent.  One can see some of the
various marshalling marks on the engines ready to be used on the line.
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On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartney <[email-masked]=
k>
wrote:

> Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one knows! In fact, I
> doubt the majority of people at the factory did either:)
>
> Cheers, John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild
> during restoration.
>
> I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack=
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> these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours judging - an=
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> I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew what they meant or why the=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Here&#39;s an image of the Coventry assem=
bly line taken by a member of the tour group on Triumph USA&#39;s 1958 Rall=
y of Europe for new owners who took their delivery at the factory and toure=
d the Continent.=C2=A0 One can see some of the various marshalling marks on=
 the engines ready to be used on the line.<div><a href=3D"https://photos.sm=
ugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg">https://photos.smugm=
ug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg</a><br></div></div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:=
38 PM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Jo=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Thing is Jack, that this far do=
wn the track, no one knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at the =
factory did either:)<div><br></div><div>Cheers, John<br><br><div id=3D"gmai=
l-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have those =
markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild during restoratio=
n.<div><br></div><div>I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that n=
either VTR or 6-pack look for these markings, or deduct for their absence, =
during Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they kne=
w what they meant or why they are there.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Che=
ers,</div><div>Jack Mc<br><br><div id=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMa=
ilSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan=
 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john.macartney@=
ukpips.org.uk" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gma=
il-m_1217474439255518928WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Jim<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>In the rebuild of your car, did you by ch=
ance find any obscure markings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the e=
ngine block? These were common identifiers used at the factory that were un=
derstood by those who worked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. =
Primarily, the mark was to distinguish the machined but unassembled block a=
s being an ultimate engine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks=
 had these marks but I do know many others have encountered them years late=
r and wondered what the hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what had=
 been there after re-painting the block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99=
d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their judging books =
=E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t there.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Cheers, Jonmac<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-=
right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225=
,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tri=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January =
2019 12:31<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trium=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill:<u></=
u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have the TRA judging guide for t=
he TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restoration going ba=
ck to 2010 when I purchased the car.=C2=A0 The trick is what to tell the au=
to paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to judges.=C2=
=A0 My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfully =
recreate the car as it was born.=C2=A0 I am not interested in trophies.=C2=
=A0 Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard t=
o get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=
=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that expe=
rts in TRA think correct.=C2=A0 Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an =
early TR4at the last TRA event.=C2=A0 Does anyone have any detailed photos =
of that car they could share.=C2=A0 The few I saw looked magnificent and th=
ey have such a great reputation. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks so much,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Jim Henningsen<u></u><u></u></p><div i=
d=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><br>On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"=
><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my=
 oversight.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On Jan 16, 20=
19, at 8:29 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Wbeec=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">w=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to =
weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted=
 ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=
=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Pe=
acock Blue.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Bill<u></u=
><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my Motorola 8000X<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><b=
r>On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscoc=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The TR Register (UK) =
forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister housings a few yea=
rs ago.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www=
.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/" target=
=3D"_blank">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil=
-filter-bowl/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note especially the com=
ments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots=
 of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more wor=
ried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting details &qu=
ot;right&quot; around shade.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The thread h=
as some useful info, but this is one of those don&#39;t-sweat-it subjects a=
round our cars.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Don<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">1962 TR3B TSF202L<u></u><u></u></p></div></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-r=
ight:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter =
canister housing.=C2=A0 TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a =
pale green.=C2=A0 Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>Jim Henningsen <br>Ocal=
a FL<br><br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br>** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.=
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Great picture Don, I have always re-painted the orange =
=E2=80=9CTR3=E2=80=9D after an engine rebuild, used Chevrolet engine =
orange.  Had never seen the china marker markings before.

Bill

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Don =
Hiscock
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:47 PM
To: John Macartney <[email-masked]>; Triumphs =
<[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code

=20

Here's an image of the Coventry assembly line taken by a member of the =
tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of Europe for new owners who took =
their delivery at the factory and toured the Continent.  One can see =
some of the various marshalling marks on the engines ready to be used on =
the line.

=20

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartney =
wrote:

Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one knows! In fact, I =
doubt the majority of people at the factory did either:)

=20

Cheers, John

Sent from my iPad

On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <[email-masked] =

I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild =
during restoration.

=20

I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or =
6-pack look for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during =
Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew =
what they meant or why they are there.=20

=20

Cheers,

Jack Mc

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney =
wrote:

Jim

=20

In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings =
in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were =
common identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who =
worked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark =
was to distinguish the machined but unassembled block as being an =
ultimate engine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had =
these marks but I do know many others have encountered them years later =
and wondered what the hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what =
had been there after re-painting the block, they replaced the code. =
I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their =
judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t =
there.

=20

Cheers, Jonmac

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked] =
Sent: 17 January 2019 12:31
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code

=20

Bill:

I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my =
plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the =
car.  The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to =
match that would be acceptable to judges.  My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat =
everyone in a concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was =
born.  I am not interested in trophies.  Over the 8 years restoring this =
car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get info from the expert judges =
and respected restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more =
specifics on the color and or source that experts in TRA think correct.  =
Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an early TR4at the last TRA =
event.  Does anyone have any detailed photos of that car they could =
share.  The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a great =
reputation. =20

Thanks so much,

Jim Henningsen

Sent from my iPad

Bill

=20

If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to =
weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is =
painted ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste =
with age.=E2=80=9D

=20

=20

Cheers,

Bill

On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked] =

The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter =
canister housings a few years ago.

https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bo=
wl/ =
<https://wwwtr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bo=
wl/>=20

=20

Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle =
about his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic =
comment that S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and =
spares supplied than getting details "right" around shade.

=20

The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it =
subjects around our cars.

=20

Don

1962 TR3B TSF202L

=20

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <[email-masked] =

Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil =
filter canister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas =
to a pale green.  Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.   =
Thanks to any concours experts out there.=20
Jim Henningsen=20
Ocala FL

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>Great picture Don, I have always re-painted the orange =
=E2=80=9CTR3=E2=80=9D after an engine rebuild, used Chevrolet engine =
orange.=C2=A0 Had never seen the china marker markings =
before.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Don Hiscock<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:47 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
Paint code<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here's an image of the Coventry assembly line taken by =
a member of the tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of Europe for new =
owners who took their delivery at the factory and toured the =
Continent.&nbsp; One can see some of the various marshalling marks on =
the engines ready to be used on the line.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK=
2.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2=
.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartney &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one =
knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at the factory did =
either:)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Cheers, John<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 17 Jan 2019, at =
17:50, Jack McGahey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied =
after engine rebuild during restoration.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack =
look for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours =
judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew what they =
meant or why they are there.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jack Mc<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 17, 2019, at =
9:27 AM, John Macartney &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jim<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In the =
rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings in =
yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common =
identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked =
in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to =
distinguish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate =
engine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks =
but I do know many others have encountered them years later and wondered =
what the hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there =
after re-painting the block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very =
surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their judging books =
=E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t =
there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers, =
Jonmac<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2019 12:31<br><b>To:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Paint code<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bill:<o:p></=
o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have the =
TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line =
for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the car.&nbsp; =
The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match that =
would be acceptable to judges.&nbsp; My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat =
everyone in a concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was =
born.&nbsp; I am not interested in trophies.&nbsp; Over the 8 years =
restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get info from =
the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d =
love to know more specifics on the color and or source that experts in =
TRA think correct.&nbsp; Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an =
early TR4at the last TRA event.&nbsp; Does anyone have any detailed =
photos of that car they could share.&nbsp; The few I saw looked =
magnificent and they have such a great reputation. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks so =
much,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jim =
Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from =
my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 16, =
2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Judging =
guide Reference Should be TRA, my =
oversight.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bill<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jan 16, 2019, =
at 8:29 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If =
y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh =
in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted =
ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with =
age.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I=E2=80=99ll=
 stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers,<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bill<o:p></o:p></p=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from =
my Motorola 8000X<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 16, =
2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The TR =
Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister =
housings a few years ago.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://wwwtr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-fi=
lter-bowl/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/4=
4252-oil-filter-bowl/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Note =
especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his =
experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that =
S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares =
supplied than getting details &quot;right&quot; around =
shade.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The thread =
has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects =
around our cars.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Don<o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1962 TR3B =
TSF202L<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Jan =
15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Anyone have =
a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister =
housing.&nbsp; TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale =
green.&nbsp; Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>Jim Henningsen =
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