Subject: Re: [TR] DelTran question

From: Stephen Nutt <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 18:08:24 -0500

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As this is a discussion about charging, I have a TR5 (similar to a TR250 in U=
S).  When the engine is running at low rpms, the ammeter shows a slight nega=
tive (discharge) and the ignition light (no charge light on the Speedometer)=
 is on.  At higher revs (3500), the ammeter shows a positive reading but the=
 no charge light is still on but not as bright.  Multimeter shows a voltage o=
f 10.3 v at idle and 13.5 v at higher rpm (3500) at the voltage regulator wi=
re to the no charge light.  Battery voltage is 12.5 v with engine off.  Any i=
deas? =20

Stephen Nutt
Ontario, Canada

First time on this forum. =20

> On Dec 15, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Rye Livingston <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Another tool you may want to purchase is the SOLAR BA5 100-1200 Cold Crank=
ing Amps Electronic Battery Tester.  Link to Amazon below.
>=20
> What is cool about this tool is you don't have to have the battery fully c=
harged, or disconnected from the car, etc. Hook it up and it will give you t=
he status of the battery.  If I remember right, there is some info on the ba=
ttery you plug into the tester, so it can tell you if it's at the full crank=
ing amps, as well as volts.
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> There are two models:  One has batteries in it, a bit more expensive, the o=
ther does not as it uses power from the battery being tested, which is the o=
ne I purchased.
>=20
> Product description off Amazon:
> The SOLAR BA5 12-Volt Battery Tester features an operating range of 7-15V a=
nd the capacity to test batteries rated between 100-1200 cold cranking amps.=
 It offers quick assessment, providing both a numerical result and a pass/fa=
il LED result. It is compatible with a wide range of battery types, includin=
g conventional, maintenance free, AGM, gel cell, and marine-cranking deep cy=
cle batteries. The BA5 is small, portable and pocket-sized, making it perfec=
t for testing batteries while out in the field and on the go. It is easy to u=
se, and guides the user through each operation of the battery testing proces=
s.
>=20
> https://www.amazon.com/BA5-100-1200-Cranking-Electronic-Battery/dp/B0017R5=
EQK/ref=3Dasc_df_B0017R5EQK/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D3120947=
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> Great Christmas present idea!  :-)
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> Rye
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>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 01:41 PM, Geo Hahn <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>=20
>> I don't have one, never used one & know nothing about them -- but a littl=
e thing like that doesn't stop me from weighing in.
>>=20
>> Is the 13.45V measured at the battery with the charger off?
>>=20
>> If yes, then that may be a misleading number - for a better reading after=
 a battery has been charged I usually turn the headlamps on for a minute (or=
 wait 12 hours)..
>>=20
>> Geo
>>=20
>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 12:16 PM Bob Peglow <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>>> Hello,
>>> First time using a DelTran Battery tender on my TR6 (w/new battery).
>>> When light is on indicating a full charge the battery voltage shows at=20=

>>> 13.45v.
>>> Is this unit operating as it should?
>>> Thank you.
>>> Bob
>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>As this is a discussion about charging=
, I have a TR5 (similar to a TR250 in US). &nbsp;When the engine is running a=
t low rpms, the ammeter shows a slight negative (discharge) and the ignition=
 light (no charge light on the Speedometer) is on. &nbsp;At higher revs (350=
0), the ammeter shows a positive reading but the no charge light is still on=
 but not as bright. &nbsp;Multimeter shows a voltage of 10.3 v at idle and 1=
3.5 v at higher rpm (3500) at the voltage regulator wire to the no charge li=
ght. &nbsp;Battery voltage is 12.5 v with engine off. &nbsp;Any ideas? &nbsp=
;<br><br>Stephen Nutt</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Ontario, Canada</d=
iv><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Fi=
rst time on this forum. &nbsp;</div><div><br>On Dec 15, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Ry=
e Livingston &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Another tool you may want t=
o purchase is the&nbsp;SOLAR BA5 100-1200 Cold Cranking Amps Electronic Batt=
ery Tester. &nbsp;Link to Amazon below.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"><=
/div><div>What is cool about this tool is you don't have to have the battery=
 fully charged, or disconnected from the car, etc. Hook it up and it will gi=
ve you the status of the battery. &nbsp;If I remember right, there is some i=
nfo on the battery you plug into the tester, so it can tell you if it's at t=
he full cranking amps, as well&nbsp;as volts.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D=
"1"></div><div>There are two models: &nbsp;One has batteries in it, a bit mo=
re expensive, the other does not as it uses power from the battery being tes=
ted, which is the one I purchased.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div>=
<div>Product description off Amazon:</div><div><span style=3D"color: #111111=
; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-=
variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: a=
uto; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: n=
ormal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -web=
kit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline !impo=
rtant; float: none;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #111111; font-family: Arial, s=
ans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; f=
ont-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: left;=
 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; w=
ord-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width:=
 0px; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline !important; float: none;">T=
he SOLAR BA5 12-Volt Battery Tester features an operating range of 7-15V and=
 the capacity to test batteries rated between 100-1200 cold cranking amps. I=
t offers quick assessment, providing both a numerical result and a pass/fail=
 LED result. It is compatible with a wide range of battery types, including c=
onventional, maintenance free, AGM, gel cell, and marine-cranking deep cycle=
 batteries. The BA5 is small, portable and pocket-sized, making it perfect f=
or testing batteries while out in the field and on the go. It is easy to use=
, and guides the user through each operation of the battery testing process.=
</span></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><a href=3D"https://www=
.amazon.com/BA5-100-1200-Cranking-Electronic-Battery/dp/B0017R5EQK/ref=3Dasc=
_df_B0017R5EQK/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&amp;linkCode=3Ddf0&amp;hvadid=3D312094794461=
&amp;hvpos=3D1o2&amp;hvnetw=3Dg&amp;hvrand=3D13760543115073276821&amp;hvpone=
=3D&amp;hvptwo=3D&amp;hvqmt=3D&amp;hvdev=3Dc&amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&amp;hvlocint=3D=
&amp;hvlocphy=3D9032142&amp;hvtargid=3Dpla-464854965359&amp;psc=3D1&amp;tag=3D=
&amp;ref=3D&amp;adgrpid=3D62497261819&amp;hvpone=3D&amp;hvptwo=3D&amp;hvadid=
=3D312094794461&amp;hvpos=3D1o2&amp;hvnetw=3Dg&amp;hvrand=3D1376054311507327=
6821&amp;hvqmt=3D&amp;hvdev=3Dc&amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&amp;hvlocint=3D&amp;hvlocphy=
=3D9032142&amp;hvtargid=3Dpla-464854965359">https://www.amazon.com/BA5-100-1=
200-Cranking-Electronic-Battery/dp/B0017R5EQK/ref=3Dasc_df_B0017R5EQK/?tag=3D=
hyprod-20&amp;linkCode=3Ddf0&amp;hvadid=3D312094794461&amp;hvpos=3D1o2&amp;h=
vnetw=3Dg&amp;hvrand=3D13760543115073276821&amp;hvpone=3D&amp;hvptwo=3D&amp;=
hvqmt=3D&amp;hvdev=3Dc&amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&amp;hvlocint=3D&amp;hvlocphy=3D903214=
2&amp;hvtargid=3Dpla-464854965359&amp;psc=3D1&amp;tag=3D&amp;ref=3D&amp;adgr=
pid=3D62497261819&amp;hvpone=3D&amp;hvptwo=3D&amp;hvadid=3D312094794461&amp;=
hvpos=3D1o2&amp;hvnetw=3Dg&amp;hvrand=3D13760543115073276821&amp;hvqmt=3D&am=
p;hvdev=3Dc&amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&amp;hvlocint=3D&amp;hvlocphy=3D9032142&amp;hvtar=
gid=3Dpla-464854965359</a></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Gre=
at Christmas present idea! &nbsp;:-)</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></di=
v><div>Rye</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D=
"1"></div><div><br>On Dec 15, 2018, at 01:41 PM, Geo Hahn &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">I do=
n't have one, never used one &amp; know nothing about them -- but a little t=
hing like that doesn't stop me from weighing in.<div><br></div><div>Is the 1=
3.45V measured at the battery with the charger off?</div><div><br></div><div=
>If yes, then that may be a misleading number - for a better reading after a=
 battery has been charged I usually turn the headlamps on for a minute (or w=
ait 12 hours)..</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 12:16 PM Bob Peglow &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:rpeglow@opt=
online.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
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cccc; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">Hello,<br> First time using a=
 DelTran Battery tender on my TR6 (w/new battery).<br> When light is on indi=
cating a full charge the battery voltage shows at <br> 13.45v.<br> Is this u=
nit operating as it should?<br> Thank you.<br> Bob<br> <br> <br> ** <a href=3D=
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From: Randall <[email-masked]> gVCUJaVrscgZ43844eFzfH9VFNuZ1rJxwbG1iMpznduuSOiaiN8L68C+i3AngmyU57JQA3TX/pOh8Mp9ODN5SXg4E7bdvgzrQezcd8n+UoucC+9N2izstMwl Xx+1LyCSarSFpfp0wV6yTCwWccA+GNIKkPFLvQBf+Sk=
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Unfortunately, the no charge at idle is more it less normal for these early=
 Lucas alternators=2E The light may or may not be on, but they just don't c=
harge=2E (And the discharge is current going to other things, like ignition=
 and fuel pump=2E)

The light glowing at higher speed (when it is charging, as shown by your v=
oltage measurements) probably indicates low voltage from the ignition switc=
h=2E Bad connection in the wires to/from the switch, or perhaps the switch =
itself is bad=2E

Could be other things, but that's where I would start=2E Run the engine at=
 fast idle, and compare the voltage from a white wire (to ground) with the =
voltage on the brown/yellow that comes out of the voltage regulator=2E If t=
he white wire is lower, you have a bad connection somewhere=2E
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Unfortunately, the no charge at idle is more it less normal for these early=
 Lucas alternators=2E The light may or may not be on, but they just don't c=
harge=2E (And the discharge is current going to other things, like ignition=
 and fuel pump=2E)<br><br>The light glowing at higher speed (when it is cha=
rging, as shown by your voltage measurements) probably indicates low voltag=
e from the ignition switch=2E Bad connection in the wires to/from the switc=
h, or perhaps the switch itself is bad=2E<br><br>Could be other things, but=
 that's where I would start=2E Run the engine at fast idle, and compare the=
 voltage from a white wire (to ground) with the voltage on the brown/yellow=
 that comes out of the voltage regulator=2E If the white wire is lower, you=
 have a bad connection somewhere=2E<br>-- Randall
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