Subject: [TR] TR3 Horn Relay

From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 09:45:25 -0500 (EST)

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The horns on my TR3 are less than useless, giving out this embarrassing thrush-like warble like I'm taking revenge on some meathead driver who just swerved into my lane to cut me off by tweeting at him/her. 

Take that, you poo-poo head!

I might just as well stick out my tongue at them.  Makes the same amount of noise....

So, I have solid ground and good current going to the horns.  I seem to remember having to tune similar horns on my old MGB 45 years ago but can't remember if these are set up the same.    And I can't remember if there's a relay in the horn circuit for a TR3.  Since it's freezing in the garage here in New Hampshire, I'm too lazy to dig out my electrical diagram there. 

Thoughts, anyone?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hamsphire

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160; I seem to remember having to tune similar horns on my old MGB 45 years=
 ago but can&#39;t remember if these are set up the same. &#160;&#160; And =
I can&#39;t remember if there&#39;s a relay in the horn circuit for a TR3.&=
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helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style">New Hams=
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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 08:22:09 -0700

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> Thoughts, anyone?
I converted my TR3 to air horns. But its a driver and not a concourse 
contender.

TeriAnn

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/2/18 7:45 AM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br>
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    <p>I converted my TR3 to air horns. But its a driver and not a
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From: Stan Foster <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 15:41:45 +0000

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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 10:36:36 -0600

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No relay but there is adjustment underneath the cover, held on by the single=
 center screw.   Set up a way to blow the horn from the engine bay, a remote=
 starter switch or helper behind the wheel work well for this. =20
Bill

Sent from my Handspring Treo

On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:45 AM, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

The horns on my TR3 are less than useless, giving out this embarrassing thru=
sh-like warble like I'm taking revenge on some meathead driver who just swer=
ved into my lane to cut me off by tweeting at him/her. =20

I might just as well stick out my tongue at them.  Makes the same amount of n=
oise....

So, I have solid ground and good current going to the horns.  I seem to reme=
mber having to tune similar horns on my old MGB 45 years ago but can't remem=
ber if these are set up the same.    And I can't remember if there's a relay=
 in the horn circuit for a TR3.  Since it's freezing in the garage here in N=
ew Hampshire, I'm too lazy to dig out my electrical diagram there. =20

Thoughts, anyone?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hamsphire

ash.net

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">No relay but there is adjustment underneath=
 the cover, held on by the single center screw. &nbsp; Set up a way to blow t=
he horn from the engine bay, a remote starter switch or helper behind the wh=
eel work well for this. &nbsp;<div>Bill<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature=
" dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent=
 from my Handspring Treo</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Dec 2, 2018, at=
 8:45 AM, TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">terryrs@com=
cast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">

    <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">
<p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333=
333;" class=3D"default-style">The horns on my TR3 are less than useless, giv=
ing out this embarrassing thrush-like warble like I'm taking revenge on some=
 meathead driver who just swerved into my lane to cut me off by tweeting at h=
im/her.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial=
,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font=
-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"d=
efault-style">Take that, you poo-poo head!<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-sty=
le"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-seri=
f;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style">I might just as well stick out my t=
ongue at them.&nbsp; Makes the same amount of noise....<br></p><p style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D=
"default-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,ari=
al,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style">So, I have solid groun=
d and good current going to the horns.&nbsp; I seem to remember having to tu=
ne similar horns on my old MGB 45 years ago but can't remember if these are s=
et up the same. &nbsp;&nbsp; And I can't remember if there's a relay in the h=
orn circuit for a TR3.&nbsp; Since it's freezing in the garage here in New H=
ampshire, I'm too lazy to dig out my electrical diagram there.&nbsp; <br></p=
><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#33=
3333;" class=3D"default-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style">Thought=
s, anyone?<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,san=
s-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"defau=
lt-style">Terry Smith, '59 TR3A<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 13:13:55 -0500

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 I=E2=80=99m the worst one to give advice here. But I would first take a ho=
t
connection straight to them to check them out to see what was possible,
 But of course you probably already done that

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:36 PM [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote:

> No relay but there is adjustment underneath the cover, held on by the
> single center screw.   Set up a way to blow the horn from the engine bay,=
 a
> remote starter switch or helper behind the wheel work well for this.
> Bill
>
> The horns on my TR3 are less than useless, giving out this embarrassing
> thrush-like warble like I'm taking revenge on some meathead driver who ju=
st
> swerved into my lane to cut me off by tweeting at him/her.
>
>
> So, I have solid ground and good current going to the horns.  I seem to
> remember having to tune similar horns on my old MGB 45 years ago but can'=
t
> remember if these are set up the same.    And I can't remember if there's=
 a
> relay in the horn circuit for a TR3.  Since it's freezing in the garage
> here in New Hampshire, I'm too lazy to dig out my electrical diagram
> there.
>
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>
> New Hamsphire
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m the worst one to give advice here.=
 But I would first take a hot connection straight to them to check them out=
 to see what was possible, =C2=A0 =C2=A0But of course you probably already =
done that=C2=A0</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:36 PM <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Wb=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">N=
o relay but there is adjustment underneath the cover, held on by the single=
 center screw. =C2=A0 Set up a way to blow the horn from the engine bay, a =
remote starter switch or helper behind the wheel work well for this. =C2=A0=
<div>Bill<br><br><div id=3D"m_-7089930144872051241AppleMailSignature" dir=
=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Sent from my =
Handspring Treo</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:45 AM=
, TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">

   =20
<p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#33=
3333" class=3D"m_-7089930144872051241default-style">The horns on my TR3 are=
 less than useless, giving out this embarrassing thrush-like warble like I&=
#39;m taking revenge on some meathead driver who just swerved into my lane =
to cut me off by tweeting at him/her.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-70899=
30144872051241default-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family=
:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-7089930144872051241d=
efault-style">Take that, you poo-poo head!<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-7089930=
144872051241default-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:h=
elvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-7089930144872051241def=
ault-style">I might just as well stick out my tongue at them.=C2=A0 Makes t=
he same amount of noise....<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:h=
elvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-7089930144872051241def=
ault-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,=
sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-7089930144872051241default-style">So,=
 I have solid ground and good current going to the horns.=C2=A0 I seem to r=
emember having to tune similar horns on my old MGB 45 years ago but can&#39=
;t remember if these are set up the same. =C2=A0=C2=A0 And I can&#39;t reme=
mber if there&#39;s a relay in the horn circuit for a TR3.=C2=A0 Since it&#=
39;s freezing in the garage here in New Hampshire, I&#39;m too lazy to dig =
out my electrical diagram there.=C2=A0 <br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-7089930144=
872051241default-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helv=
etica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-7089930144872051241defaul=
t-style">Thoughts, anyone?<br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:he=
lvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333" class=3D"m_-7089930144872051241defa=
ult-style"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,s=
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From: "Kinderlehrer" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 10:30:31 -0800

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Terry,

The points tend to wear over time and require some adjustment. Remove =
the dome and you will see them. I don=E2=80=99t remember the specs and I =
can=E2=80=99t find the reference off hand, but it is important that =
there is some gap however small. It is easier do if you remove the horn =
and work on it on the bench, including a power supply to test it. At =
least that=E2=80=99s what I  remember.

Bob

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
TERRY SMITH
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 6:45 AM
To: Triumphs ([email-masked])
Subject: [TR] TR3 Horn Relay

=20

The horns on my TR3 are less than useless, giving out this embarrassing =
thrush-like warble like I'm taking revenge on some meathead driver who =
just swerved into my lane to cut me off by tweeting at him/her. =20

=20

=20

I might just as well stick out my tongue at them.  Makes the same amount =
of noise....

=20

So, I have solid ground and good current going to the horns.  I seem to =
remember having to tune similar horns on my old MGB 45 years ago but =
can't remember if these are set up the same.    And I can't remember if =
there's a relay in the horn circuit for a TR3.  Since it's freezing in =
the garage here in New Hampshire, I'm too lazy to dig out my electrical =
diagram there. =20

=20

Thoughts, anyone?

=20

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hamsphire

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D'>Terry,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The points tend to wear over time and require some adjustment. Remove =
the dome and you will see them. I don=E2=80=99t remember the specs and I =
can=E2=80=99t find the reference off hand, but it is important that =
there is some gap however small. It is easier do if you remove the horn =
and work on it on the bench, including a power supply to test it. At =
least that=E2=80=99s what I =C2=A0remember.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>TERRY SMITH<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 02, 2018 6:45 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Triumphs ([email-masked])<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[TR] TR3 Horn Relay<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>The horns =
on my TR3 are less than useless, giving out this embarrassing =
thrush-like warble like I'm taking revenge on some meathead driver who =
just swerved into my lane to cut me off by tweeting at him/her.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Take that, =
you poo-poo head!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>I might =
just as well stick out my tongue at them.&nbsp; Makes the same amount of =
noise....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>So, I have =
solid ground and good current going to the horns.&nbsp; I seem to =
remember having to tune similar horns on my old MGB 45 years ago but =
can't remember if these are set up the same. &nbsp;&nbsp; And I can't =
remember if there's a relay in the horn circuit for a TR3.&nbsp; Since =
it's freezing in the garage here in New Hampshire, I'm too lazy to dig =
out my electrical diagram there.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Thoughts, =
anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Terry =
Smith, '59 TR3A<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>New =
Hamsphire<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:28:47 -0800

No relay originally (although I've added one to my TR3).

There are detailed troubleshooting instructions (including "tuning" the
adjustment inside the horns) in the workshop manual.  You can download a PDF
from
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2H2NJt34OffYWZiN2VlZGMtNTkxMi00NGUzLWE4Nz
MtMGRkODRkYzU3MDU1
For perusal indoors.  (A larger screen certainly helps, but I find it to be
at least marginally useful on my android phone.)  Don't neglect the
paragraph on "steel push rod stiff or jammed", it's a common problem in my
experience.

I also fought with weak horns for a long time, sometimes they wouldn't work
at all and other times just a weak mooing noise.  Adding the relay helped a
bit (the contacts inside the control head get dirty and eroded over time and
don't conduct so good); but the main problem I had (after going through
everything else) was a broken contact inside a 4-way bullet sleeve.  In
retrospect, I should have just changed the sleeve right off the bat.

In case it's not obvious, the horns draw current on a very intermittant
basis.  So the average current reading (what your ammeter shows) is no more
than half the actual peak current.  The circuit needs to be in condition to
handle 26 amps rather than the 13 amps mentioned in the book.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild

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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:41:07 -0500

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Terry:  there is a set of points inside each horn.  Clean them up and =
adjust them - undo the lock-nut and dial the terminal up or down and you =
should get them to work again fairly easily.

=20

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
TERRY SMITH
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 9:45 AM
To: Triumphs ([email-masked])
Subject: [TR] TR3 Horn Relay

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

Thoughts, anyone?

=20

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hamsphire

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points inside each horn.=C2=A0 Clean them up and adjust them - undo the =
lock-nut and dial the terminal up or down and you should get them to =
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</b>TERRY SMITH<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 2, 2018 9:45 =
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Terry,

Probably more than you want to know but here is a copy-n-past from the =
service manual with regards to service and adjustment of the horns.

Bill

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
TERRY SMITH
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 8:45 AM
To: Triumphs ([email-masked]) <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] TR3 Horn Relay

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

Thoughts, anyone?

=20

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>TERRY SMITH<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 2, 2018 8:45 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Triumphs ([email-masked]) =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR3 Horn =
Relay<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>The horns on =
my TR3 are less than useless, giving out this embarrassing thrush-like =
warble like I'm taking revenge on some meathead driver who just swerved =
into my lane to cut me off by tweeting at him/her.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Take that, =
you poo-poo head!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I might just =
as well stick out my tongue at them.&nbsp; Makes the same amount of =
noise....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>So, I have =
solid ground and good current going to the horns.&nbsp; I seem to =
remember having to tune similar horns on my old MGB 45 years ago but =
can't remember if these are set up the same. &nbsp;&nbsp; And I can't =
remember if there's a relay in the horn circuit for a TR3.&nbsp; Since =
it's freezing in the garage here in New Hampshire, I'm too lazy to dig =
out my electrical diagram there.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thoughts, =
anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
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'59 TR3A<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
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