Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph

From: "dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 09:15:53 -0600

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I have converted all my cars to dot5.  I purchased cheap little luggage =
tags that I attach to be sure that no one accidentally puts the wrong =
fluif in it. =20

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of DAVID =
MASSEY
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 7:22 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph

=20

Moss and TRF sell a handy sticker indicating that the car is converted =
to DOT5.  Others have them, too, I suppose.  I recommend one of these =
just to keep everyone in the loop.

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 12:03 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph

Thanks. I'll stick with the new black bottle for my current stag. But =
for Stag no. 2 which needs brakes seals all round I'll go for DOT 5

=20

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 2:48 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked] wrote:

Amen to that, Jeff.

On November 29, 2018 at 8:10 AM Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked] =

=20

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:47 AM Randall < [email-masked] =

So I'd have to say that "best practice" is probably to replace the seals =
at=20
the same time.

=20

 I recognize a case of shipwright's disease when I see it, but since I =
have more than one car and am not greatly inconvenienced when one is =
partially disassembled on stands in the garage; yet I am greatly =
inconvenienced when the one I am driving is lying inert in the tall =
grass on the side of the road, I tend to go in and completely repair a =
system when a part of it needs attention.  If I'm going to replace the =
wheel cylinders, I'll replace/upgrade the hoses, and consider the =
calipers and master as well.  If I'm changing one radiator hose, I'll go =
ahead and replace all the radiator and heater hoses, and do a complete =
flush with the radiator out.  Et cetera.  Saves a lot of sitting and =
waiting for the flatbed.

=20

=20

Jeff Scarbrough

Corrosion Acres, Ga.=20

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class=3DMsoNormal>I have converted all my cars to dot5.=C2=A0 I =
purchased cheap little luggage tags that I attach to be sure that no one =
accidentally puts the wrong fluif in it.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>DAVID MASSEY<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2018 7:22 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Brake fluid for =
Triumph<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mos=
s and TRF sell a handy sticker indicating that the car is converted to =
DOT5.&nbsp; Others have them, too, I suppose.&nbsp; I recommend one of =
these just to keep everyone in the =
loop.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
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p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Sujit Roy &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To=
: TERRY SMITH &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc: =
Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 12:03 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for =
Triumph<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv4018041777><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tha=
nks. I'll stick with the new black bottle for my current stag. But for =
Stag no. 2 which needs brakes seals all round I'll go for DOT =
5<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div id=3Dyiv4018041777yqt18930><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 2:48 PM TERRY SMITH &lt;[email-masked] =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Amen to that, Jeff.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
November 29, 2018 at 8:10 AM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:47 AM Randall &lt; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br=
><br>So I'd have to say that &quot;best practice&quot; is probably to =
replace the seals at <br>the same =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;I recognize a case of shipwright's disease when I see it, but since I =
have more than one car and am not greatly inconvenienced when one is =
partially disassembled on stands in the garage; yet I am greatly =
inconvenienced when the one I am driving is lying inert in the tall =
grass on the side of the road, I tend to go in and completely repair a =
system when a part of it needs attention.&nbsp; If I'm going to replace =
the wheel cylinders, I'll replace/upgrade the hoses, and consider the =
calipers and master as well.&nbsp; If I'm changing one radiator hose, =
I'll go ahead and replace all the radiator and heater hoses, and do a =
complete flush with the radiator out.&nbsp; Et cetera.&nbsp; Saves a lot =
of sitting and waiting for the =
flatbed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jef=
f Scarbrough<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Cor=
rosion Acres, Ga.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></di=
v></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From: "Dave Connitt" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 10:38:19 -0500

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Yea,

Kind of like us=E2=80=A6..

Dave Connitt

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of =
[email-masked]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:37 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph

=20

..the only negative I've ever encountered with Dot 5 in our old cars is =
it does not lubricate the rubber as well as older fluids.
Synth and natural rubber also react differently ...as with everything =
with LBC's...   ymmv

ptegler

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 11:07 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph

When restoring my 3A in 2002, while the body was off the frame I =
replaced all the brake lines and hydraulic cylinders.  I learned about =
Dot 5 silicone based fluid from the List then and went with it. After 15 =
years of driving, the same brake system remains rock solid plus I never =
blistered paint with the occasional spill.  Doesn't silicone wear easier =
on rubber seals?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire, where early snows have sent both bears and Triumphs off =
to the Land of Nod=20

> On November 28, 2018 at 7:58 PM Randall <[email-masked] =
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > Can I use DOT 5 in the Stag? Do I need to flush out the=20
> > current DOT 3/ 4?
>=20
> Both of my Stags have DOT 5 in them.  LE1473 was converted just by =
bleeding
> through at each corner until clean purple fluid appeared.  The other =
one
> (dubbed Frankenstag because it appears to be parts from at least 3 =
different
> cars) had a failed MC and stuck rear wheel cylinders when I got it, so =
those
> were repaired at the same time.
>=20
> However, LE1473 already had what seemed to be a minor master cylinder
> problem before the conversion (pedal would sometimes drop towards =
floor
> while sitting at a stop light), and it suddenly got a whole lot worse =
not
> long after the conversion (no hydraulic brakes at all).  (I also =
learned
> that the back brakes on a Stag are more prone to fade than a TR3.)
> Post-mortem showed both MC piston seals torn, and approximately the
> consistency of Gummi Bears.
>=20
> So I'd have to say that "best practice" is probably to replace the =
seals at
> the same time.
>=20
> Randall
>=20
>=20
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,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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d of like us=E2=80=A6..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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e Connitt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:37 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Brake fluid for =
Triumph<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>..t=
he only negative I've ever encountered with Dot 5 in our old cars is it =
does not lubricate the rubber as well as older fluids.<br>Synth and =
natural rubber also react differently ...as with everything with =
LBC's... &nbsp; ymmv<br><br>ptegler<br><br><br>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From: TERRY SMITH &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: =
Randall &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Sujit =
Roy &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc=
: Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 11:07 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for =
Triumph<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Whe=
n restoring my 3A in 2002, while the body was off the frame I replaced =
all the brake lines and hydraulic cylinders.&nbsp; I learned about Dot 5 =
silicone based fluid from the List then and went with it. After 15 years =
of driving, the same brake system remains rock solid plus I never =
blistered paint with the occasional spill.&nbsp; Doesn't silicone wear =
easier on rubber seals?<br><br>Terry Smith, '59 TR3A&nbsp; TS =
58667<br>New Hampshire, where early snows have sent both bears and =
Triumphs off to the Land of Nod <br><br><br>&gt; On November 28, 2018 at =
7:58 PM Randall &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Can I use DOT 5 in the =
Stag? Do I need to flush out the <br>&gt; &gt; current DOT 3/ 4?<br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; Both of my Stags have DOT 5 in them.&nbsp; LE1473 was converted =
just by bleeding<br>&gt; through at each corner until clean purple fluid =
appeared.&nbsp; The other one<br>&gt; (dubbed Frankenstag because it =
appears to be parts from at least 3 different<br>&gt; cars) had a failed =
MC and stuck rear wheel cylinders when I got it, so those<br>&gt; were =
repaired at the same time.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; However, LE1473 already had =
what seemed to be a minor master cylinder<br>&gt; problem before the =
conversion (pedal would sometimes drop towards floor<br>&gt; while =
sitting at a stop light), and it suddenly got a whole lot worse =
not<br>&gt; long after the conversion (no hydraulic brakes at =
all).&nbsp; (I also learned<br>&gt; that the back brakes on a Stag are =
more prone to fade than a TR3.)<br>&gt; Post-mortem showed both MC =
piston seals torn, and approximately the<br>&gt; consistency of Gummi =
Bears.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; So I'd have to say that &quot;best =
practice&quot; is probably to replace the seals at<br>&gt; the same =
time.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Randall<br>&gt; <br>&gt; ** <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
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