Subject: [TR] gifts of Triumph or anything else

From: "Fisher, Ed" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:34:20 +0000

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I've read many articles regarding the next generations and their debt after=
 leaving college, wanting to retire earlier, disdain for sitting in traffic=
, leaving smaller footprints on the planet with tiny houses and such, not h=
aving heirlooms or anything of such to drag around as they move, search for=
 work, transition through different parts of their lives.  While living in =
a tiny house does not appeal to me I can see the benefits of them.  Less po=
llution, less mortgage, less land required, some even being mobile.  While =
I enjoy driving, mostly because I learned it on open roads in the 1960's, i=
t doesn't have the same romance when sitting in traffic here in Dallas wher=
e one has to drive quite a ways to get to open roads.  While I appreciate t=
he few antiques that I've gathered over the years they do take a lot of spa=
ce, and I will have to find something to do with them before I pass away.  =
In that respect they are a small burden I guess.

According to business magazines, the resale shops, consignment shops, antiq=
ue stores and such are not doing well because there is a generation that do=
es not want all of that stuff.  It makes sense really, as they grew up with=
 everyday things that were cheap, semi-disposable, and no love lost when di=
scarded.  I grew up poor revering and respecting the things that were hard-=
fought and gathered by immigrant grandparents.  A broken dish was a big dea=
l as there weren't ready replacements.  I'm ever so grateful to have been g=
iven the gift of early poverty.  That said, our cars polluted the air, our =
factories fouled the rivers (where I grew up the Cuyahoga actually caught o=
n fire), and our wastes have been piling up on this planet with our excesse=
s.  No shaming, no blaming, no political content, just a viewpoint, and one=
 shared by a younger generation that wants to do things differently.  Good =
for them I say, and when it all comes down to it my stuff is just 'stuff'. =
 My son grew up earning his own nickels and dimes, learning how to manage h=
is own money, and how to pay for and repair (even paint) his own ride.  We =
shared those moments and as such they were important to at least me, althou=
gh he did tell me as an adult that now he understood why I held firm on tho=
se many fronts.  That was all I could ever hope for when he thought me a ha=
rd-ass through his teenage years.  Now he lives in a high-rise apartment in=
 Miami with his wonderful wife and has explained why he won't be buying a h=
ouse in that locale.  I get it.  There is a 1965 Mustang that I restored ye=
ars ago and he knows it is awaiting him when he does buy a house, if ever. =
 If not, we can agree to give it to a charity and perhaps it can do some go=
od that way.  He's a giving kid.

We aren't missing anything wondering where our stuff will go.  It doesn't h=
ave the same 'meaningfulness' to them as it did to us.  I've got a half-doz=
en other cars that will need to go (did I mention my personal excesses?) an=
d I hope to gift them to good causes that can use the cash, or, to teach so=
me youngsters the art of repair as I did out of my garage.  I won't need th=
em in time, my son won't want them, understandably so, and therefore since =
I don't want to be buried in them, or buried period, they can go to good ho=
me(s)/organizations.  I've had my fun with them, and have been blessed to o=
wn them, and have memorable times with all of it, and so it goes.  Oh, and =
in case you are thinking that any of this has or will be easy on me I would=
 tell of the times that my wife has finally refused to hang up a pair of my=
 drawers on the clothesline because of the rips/tears.  Sometimes I will go=
 out and rescue them for a few more rounds, other times I will tell her I a=
m going to throw them in the trash and I'll ask if she wants to say a few w=
ords over the ceremony.  She rolls her eyes, I chuckle, but it is only part=
ly in jest.  Growing up with nothing will do that to ya.

Ed

Dallas, Tx

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&#8217;ve read many articles regarding the next gen=
erations and their debt after leaving college, wanting to retire earlier, d=
isdain for sitting in traffic, leaving smaller footprints on the planet wit=
h tiny houses and such, not having heirlooms
 or anything of such to drag around as they move, search for work, transiti=
on through different parts of their lives.&nbsp; While living in a tiny hou=
se does not appeal to me I can see the benefits of them.&nbsp; Less polluti=
on, less mortgage, less land required, some
 even being mobile.&nbsp; While I enjoy driving, mostly because I learned i=
t on open roads in the 1960&#8217;s, it doesn&#8217;t have the same romance=
 when sitting in traffic here in Dallas where one has to drive quite a ways=
 to get to open roads.&nbsp; While I appreciate the few
 antiques that I&#8217;ve gathered over the years they do take a lot of spa=
ce, and I will have to find something to do with them before I pass away.&n=
bsp; In that respect they are a small burden I guess.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">According to business magazines, the resale shops, c=
onsignment shops, antique stores and such are not doing well because there =
is a generation that does not want all of that stuff.&nbsp; It makes sense =
really, as they grew up with everyday things
 that were cheap, semi-disposable, and no love lost when discarded.&nbsp; I=
 grew up poor revering and respecting the things that were hard-fought and =
gathered by immigrant grandparents.&nbsp; A broken dish was a big deal as t=
here weren&#8217;t ready replacements.&nbsp; I&#8217;m ever
 so grateful to have been given the gift of early poverty.&nbsp; That said,=
 our cars polluted the air, our factories fouled the rivers (where I grew u=
p the Cuyahoga actually caught on fire), and our wastes have been piling up=
 on this planet with our excesses.&nbsp; No
 shaming, no blaming, no political content, just a viewpoint, and one share=
d by a younger generation that wants to do things differently.&nbsp; Good f=
or them I say, and when it all comes down to it my stuff is just &#8216;stu=
ff&#8217;.&nbsp; My son grew up earning his own nickels
 and dimes, learning how to manage his own money, and how to pay for and re=
pair (even paint) his own ride.&nbsp; We shared those moments and as such t=
hey were important to at least me, although he did tell me as an adult that=
 now he understood why I held firm on
 those many fronts. &nbsp;That was all I could ever hope for when he though=
t me a hard-ass through his teenage years.&nbsp; Now he lives in a high-ris=
e apartment in Miami with his wonderful wife and has explained why he won&#=
8217;t be buying a house in that locale.&nbsp; I get
 it.&nbsp; There is a 1965 Mustang that I restored years ago and he knows i=
t is awaiting him when he does buy a house, if ever.&nbsp; If not, we can a=
gree to give it to a charity and perhaps it can do some good that way.&nbsp=
; He&#8217;s a giving kid.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We aren&#8217;t missing anything wondering where our=
 stuff will go.&nbsp; It doesn&#8217;t have the same &#8216;meaningfulness&=
#8217; to them as it did to us.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve got a half-dozen other car=
s that will need to go (did I mention my personal excesses?) and I hope to
 gift them to good causes that can use the cash, or, to teach some youngste=
rs the art of repair as I did out of my garage.&nbsp; I won&#8217;t need th=
em in time, my son won&#8217;t want them, understandably so, and therefore =
since I don&#8217;t want to be buried in them, or buried
 period, they can go to good home(s)/organizations.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve had my=
 fun with them, and have been blessed to own them, and have memorable times=
 with all of it, and so it goes.&nbsp; Oh, and in case you are thinking tha=
t any of this has or will be easy on me I would
 tell of the times that my wife has finally refused to hang up a pair of my=
 drawers on the clothesline because of the rips/tears.&nbsp; Sometimes I wi=
ll go out and rescue them for a few more rounds, other times I will tell he=
r I am going to throw them in the trash
 and I&#8217;ll ask if she wants to say a few words over the ceremony.&nbsp=
; She rolls her eyes, I chuckle, but it is only partly in jest.&nbsp; Growi=
ng up with nothing will do that to ya.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ed <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dallas, Tx<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:36:44 -0500

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Enjoyed your post, Ed! From-the-heart stuff, for sure. I'd bet many of us
share your views and experiences...

Dave
Maine

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 5:36 PM Fisher, Ed <[email-masked] wrote:

> I=E2=80=99ve read many articles regarding the next generations and their =
debt
> after leaving college, wanting to retire earlier, disdain for sitting in
> traffic, leaving smaller footprints on the planet with tiny houses and
> such, not having heirlooms or anything of such to drag around as they mov=
e,
> search for work, transition through different parts of their lives.  Whil=
e
> living in a tiny house does not appeal to me I can see the benefits of
> them.  Less pollution, less mortgage, less land required, some even being
> mobile.  While I enjoy driving, mostly because I learned it on open roads
> in the 1960=E2=80=99s, it doesn=E2=80=99t have the same romance when sitt=
ing in traffic
> here in Dallas where one has to drive quite a ways to get to open roads.
> While I appreciate the few antiques that I=E2=80=99ve gathered over the y=
ears they
> do take a lot of space, and I will have to find something to do with them
> before I pass away.  In that respect they are a small burden I guess.
>
>
>
> According to business magazines, the resale shops, consignment shops,
> antique stores and such are not doing well because there is a generation
> that does not want all of that stuff.  It makes sense really, as they gre=
w
> up with everyday things that were cheap, semi-disposable, and no love los=
t
> when discarded.  I grew up poor revering and respecting the things that
> were hard-fought and gathered by immigrant grandparents.  A broken dish w=
as
> a big deal as there weren=E2=80=99t ready replacements.  I=E2=80=99m ever=
 so grateful to
> have been given the gift of early poverty.  That said, our cars polluted
> the air, our factories fouled the rivers (where I grew up the Cuyahoga
> actually caught on fire), and our wastes have been piling up on this plan=
et
> with our excesses.  No shaming, no blaming, no political content, just a
> viewpoint, and one shared by a younger generation that wants to do things
> differently.  Good for them I say, and when it all comes down to it my
> stuff is just =E2=80=98stuff=E2=80=99.  My son grew up earning his own ni=
ckels and dimes,
> learning how to manage his own money, and how to pay for and repair (even
> paint) his own ride.  We shared those moments and as such they were
> important to at least me, although he did tell me as an adult that now he
> understood why I held firm on those many fronts.  That was all I could ev=
er
> hope for when he thought me a hard-ass through his teenage years.  Now he
> lives in a high-rise apartment in Miami with his wonderful wife and has
> explained why he won=E2=80=99t be buying a house in that locale.  I get i=
t.  There
> is a 1965 Mustang that I restored years ago and he knows it is awaiting h=
im
> when he does buy a house, if ever.  If not, we can agree to give it to a
> charity and perhaps it can do some good that way.  He=E2=80=99s a giving =
kid.
>
>
>
> We aren=E2=80=99t missing anything wondering where our stuff will go.  It=
 doesn=E2=80=99t
> have the same =E2=80=98meaningfulness=E2=80=99 to them as it did to us.  =
I=E2=80=99ve got a
> half-dozen other cars that will need to go (did I mention my personal
> excesses?) and I hope to gift them to good causes that can use the cash,
> or, to teach some youngsters the art of repair as I did out of my garage.
> I won=E2=80=99t need them in time, my son won=E2=80=99t want them, unders=
tandably so, and
> therefore since I don=E2=80=99t want to be buried in them, or buried peri=
od, they
> can go to good home(s)/organizations.  I=E2=80=99ve had my fun with them,=
 and have
> been blessed to own them, and have memorable times with all of it, and so
> it goes.  Oh, and in case you are thinking that any of this has or will b=
e
> easy on me I would tell of the times that my wife has finally refused to
> hang up a pair of my drawers on the clothesline because of the rips/tears=
.
> Sometimes I will go out and rescue them for a few more rounds, other time=
s
> I will tell her I am going to throw them in the trash and I=E2=80=99ll as=
k if she
> wants to say a few words over the ceremony.  She rolls her eyes, I chuckl=
e,
> but it is only partly in jest.  Growing up with nothing will do that to y=
a.
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<div dir=3D"auto">Enjoyed your post, Ed! From-the-heart stuff, for sure. I&=
#39;d bet many of us share your views and experiences...<div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div><div dir=3D"auto">Maine</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 5:36 PM =
Fisher, Ed &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_311336604248024673WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve read many articles regarding the next g=
enerations and their debt after leaving college, wanting to retire earlier,=
 disdain for sitting in traffic, leaving smaller footprints on the planet w=
ith tiny houses and such, not having heirlooms
 or anything of such to drag around as they move, search for work, transiti=
on through different parts of their lives.=C2=A0 While living in a tiny hou=
se does not appeal to me I can see the benefits of them.=C2=A0 Less polluti=
on, less mortgage, less land required, some
 even being mobile.=C2=A0 While I enjoy driving, mostly because I learned i=
t on open roads in the 1960=E2=80=99s, it doesn=E2=80=99t have the same rom=
ance when sitting in traffic here in Dallas where one has to drive quite a =
ways to get to open roads.=C2=A0 While I appreciate the few
 antiques that I=E2=80=99ve gathered over the years they do take a lot of s=
pace, and I will have to find something to do with them before I pass away.=
=C2=A0 In that respect they are a small burden I guess.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">According to business magazines, the resale shops, c=
onsignment shops, antique stores and such are not doing well because there =
is a generation that does not want all of that stuff.=C2=A0 It makes sense =
really, as they grew up with everyday things
 that were cheap, semi-disposable, and no love lost when discarded.=C2=A0 I=
 grew up poor revering and respecting the things that were hard-fought and =
gathered by immigrant grandparents.=C2=A0 A broken dish was a big deal as t=
here weren=E2=80=99t ready replacements.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m ever
 so grateful to have been given the gift of early poverty.=C2=A0 That said,=
 our cars polluted the air, our factories fouled the rivers (where I grew u=
p the Cuyahoga actually caught on fire), and our wastes have been piling up=
 on this planet with our excesses.=C2=A0 No
 shaming, no blaming, no political content, just a viewpoint, and one share=
d by a younger generation that wants to do things differently.=C2=A0 Good f=
or them I say, and when it all comes down to it my stuff is just =E2=80=98s=
tuff=E2=80=99.=C2=A0 My son grew up earning his own nickels
 and dimes, learning how to manage his own money, and how to pay for and re=
pair (even paint) his own ride.=C2=A0 We shared those moments and as such t=
hey were important to at least me, although he did tell me as an adult that=
 now he understood why I held firm on
 those many fronts.=C2=A0 That was all I could ever hope for when he though=
t me a hard-ass through his teenage years.=C2=A0 Now he lives in a high-ris=
e apartment in Miami with his wonderful wife and has explained why he won=
=E2=80=99t be buying a house in that locale.=C2=A0 I get
 it.=C2=A0 There is a 1965 Mustang that I restored years ago and he knows i=
t is awaiting him when he does buy a house, if ever.=C2=A0 If not, we can a=
gree to give it to a charity and perhaps it can do some good that way.=C2=
=A0 He=E2=80=99s a giving kid.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We aren=E2=80=99t missing anything wondering where o=
ur stuff will go.=C2=A0 It doesn=E2=80=99t have the same =E2=80=98meaningfu=
lness=E2=80=99 to them as it did to us.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve got a half-dozen=
 other cars that will need to go (did I mention my personal excesses?) and =
I hope to
 gift them to good causes that can use the cash, or, to teach some youngste=
rs the art of repair as I did out of my garage.=C2=A0 I won=E2=80=99t need =
them in time, my son won=E2=80=99t want them, understandably so, and theref=
ore since I don=E2=80=99t want to be buried in them, or buried
 period, they can go to good home(s)/organizations.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had =
my fun with them, and have been blessed to own them, and have memorable tim=
es with all of it, and so it goes.=C2=A0 Oh, and in case you are thinking t=
hat any of this has or will be easy on me I would
 tell of the times that my wife has finally refused to hang up a pair of my=
 drawers on the clothesline because of the rips/tears.=C2=A0 Sometimes I wi=
ll go out and rescue them for a few more rounds, other times I will tell he=
r I am going to throw them in the trash
 and I=E2=80=99ll ask if she wants to say a few words over the ceremony.=C2=
=A0 She rolls her eyes, I chuckle, but it is only partly in jest.=C2=A0 Gro=
wing up with nothing will do that to ya.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ed <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dallas, Tx<u></u><u></u></p>
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