Subject: Re: [TR] WAS (no subject) NOW rule of 9 valve adjustment

From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:07:32 -0700

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Paul -

That's as it should be - remember that 3 is an intake valve and 8 is an
exhaust valve so even though they are both open, the cylinders are on
different strokes.

No, not *that *Different Strokes.

Geo

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:41 AM Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Sorry for the interlude as I was getting the house painted, but, I am now
> on the tr 3 again.  And I was adjusting the valves using the 'rule of 9',
> which seems simple enough.  AT TDC valve no.1 is adjusted because valve 8
> is descending, right?  Valve no. 6 is adjusted when valve 3 is open, That
> is 1+8=9 and 6+3=9, respectively right?  Well, how concerned should I be
> that valve 8 and valve 3 (in this example) are fully open?
>
>
> Thanks, Paul Dorsey, TR3  1960
> ** [email-masked] **
>
>
> None at all because you are only adjusting the closed valves, 8&3. Bill
> Sent from my Handspring Treo Unsubscribe/Manage:
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> Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
> 8:42 AM (0 minutes ago)
> to [email-masked], Triumph
> Bill, I must 'av said it wrong.  Valve #1 gets ADJUSTED because #8 is down
> (or going down), and valve #6 is ADJUSTED because #3 is down(or going
> down).  Honestly it seems I may not have to be at the very peak or zenith
> of the #8 or #3, I think, because, they so rapidly 'fall-off' or change.
> Am I still missing something?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Paul -<div><br></div><div>That&#39;s as it should be - rem=
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height=3D"184"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>No, not <i>that </i>Diff=
erent Strokes.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:41 AM Paul Dorsey &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:12:27 -0800

> 	Sorry for the interlude as I was getting the house 
> painted, but, I am now on the tr 3 again.  And I was 
> adjusting the valves using the 'rule of 9', which seems 
> simple enough.  AT TDC valve no.1 is adjusted because valve 8 
> is descending, right?  Valve no. 6 is adjusted when valve 3 
> is open, That is 1+8=9 and 6+3=9, respectively right?  Well, 
> how concerned should I be that valve 8 and valve 3 (in this 
> example) are fully open?

Paul, I'm not sure your question here got answered.  Ideally, the other
valve should be fully open, however it doesn't really matter.  As long as it
is partially open, the opposite valve will be on the base circle.  Hence
fully closed and available for adjustment.

-- Randall

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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:46:30 -0500

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Got it.

> fully closed and available for adjustment.

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<div>Got it.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On M=
on, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:13 PM Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sorry for the interlude as I was getting the=
 house <br>
&gt; painted, but, I am now on the tr 3 again.=C2=A0 And I was <br>
&gt; adjusting the valves using the &#39;rule of 9&#39;, which seems <br>
&gt; simple enough.=C2=A0 AT TDC valve no.1 is adjusted because valve 8 <br=
&gt; is descending, right?=C2=A0 Valve no. 6 is adjusted when valve 3 <br>
&gt; is open, That is 1+8=3D9 and 6+3=3D9, respectively right?=C2=A0 Well, =
<br>
&gt; how concerned should I be that valve 8 and valve 3 (in this <br>
&gt; example) are fully open?<br>
<br>
Paul, I&#39;m not sure your question here got answered.=C2=A0 Ideally, the =
other<br>
valve should be fully open, however it doesn&#39;t really matter.=C2=A0 As =
long as it<br>
is partially open, the opposite valve will be on the base circle.=C2=A0 Hen=
ce<br>
fully closed and available for adjustment.<br>
<br>
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From: "Tony Drews" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 18:08:57 -0600

The open valve degree of openness is not critical.  When it looks like
it’s starting to close that works.  When doing this using the starter to
turn over the engine I’ll have spots where two valves are largely open, I
adjust both opposing valves then.

You are correct in the math piece - 1 (open) plus 8 (adjust) = 9.

Regards, Tony Drews

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> to [email-masked], Triumph Bill, I must 'av said it wrong.  Valve #1 gets
> ADJUSTED because #8 is down
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Ok, thanks.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 7:08 PM Tony Drews <[email-masked]> wrote:

> it=E2=80=99s starting to close that works.  When doing this using the sta=
rter to
> turn over the engine I=E2=80=99ll have spots where two valves are largely=
 open, I
> You are correct in the math piece - 1 (open) plus 8 (adjust) =3D 9.
>
> Regards, Tony Drews
>
> > Sorry for the interlude as I was getting the house painted, but, I am n=
ow
> > which seems simple enough.  AT TDC valve no.1 is adjusted because valve=
 8
> > is descending, right?  Valve no. 6 is adjusted when valve 3 is open, Th=
at
> >  is 1+8=3D9 and 6+3=3D9, respectively right?  Well, how concerned shoul=
d I be
> > down).  Honestly it seems I may not have to be at the very peak or zeni=
th
> > of the #8 or #3, I think, because, they so rapidly 'fall-off' or change=
.
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<div>Ok, thanks.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 7:08 PM Tony Drews &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tony@tonydr=
ews.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">The open valve degree of openness is not critical.=C2=A0 When it lo=
oks like<br>
it=E2=80=99s starting to close that works.=C2=A0 When doing this using the =
starter to<br>
turn over the engine I=E2=80=99ll have spots where two valves are largely o=
pen, I<br>
adjust both opposing valves then.<br>
<br>
You are correct in the math piece - 1 (open) plus 8 (adjust) =3D 9.<br>
<br>
Regards, Tony Drews<br>
<br>
On Sun, November 4, 2018 7:46 am, Paul Dorsey wrote:<br>
&gt; Sorry for the interlude as I was getting the house painted, but, I am =
now<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 on the tr 3 again.=C2=A0 And I was adjusting the valves using th=
e &#39;rule of<br>
&gt; 9&#39;,<br>
&gt; which seems simple enough.=C2=A0 AT TDC valve no.1 is adjusted because=
 valve 8<br>
&gt; is descending, right?=C2=A0 Valve no. 6 is adjusted when valve 3 is op=
en, That<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 is 1+8=3D9 and 6+3=3D9, respectively right?=C2=A0 Well, how conc=
erned should I be<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 that valve 8 and valve 3 (in this example) are fully open?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks, Paul Dorsey, TR3=C2=A0 1960<br>
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